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With the insane amount of money in the AI ecosystem right now, I think it's no shock or surprise that there's also an insane amount of business drama and the latest in this never ending saga. It feels like a finger pointing and lawsuits is actually happening between OpenAI and Meta. OpenAI's lawyers have started to question Meta's role in something that I think they felt a little threatened by. Earlier this year, Elon Musk made a bid for to buy OpenAI because of their fiduciary duty. He said that they, you know, had an obligation to sell for his price. There was a lot of drama. Sam Altman responded. Anyways, what's interesting today though is in all of the ongoing lawsuits between elon Musk and OpenAI, it seems that Meta may have actually been involved in that bid. OpenAI is suing their lawyers for more information to see if Zuckerberg was making a back channel deal with Elon Musk and all this. We're going to get into all the drama today. 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OpenAI right now they're asking Meta basically to produce evidence related to any sort of coordination that they were doing with Elon Musk and XAI when they did basically this bid to buy the company earlier this year. Elon Musk, I think this was back in February. He said, look, I will give you $97 billion, $97.4 billion to buy OpenAI. And at the time OpenAI, you know, this was an unsolicited offer, so OpenAI turned him down. Sam Altman said something on X, basically to the. Basically to the point that he was like, oh, you know, like, I don't want you. Like, you don't need to buy OpenAI, but I'll be happy to buy Twitter for $9 billion if you want. So, you know, he's kind of like, look, for a tenth of the price, I'll buy Twitter. And I think this is kind of because Twitter's valuation had been going down since the acquisition. In any case, I think that. I think that this is definitely kind of the start of all of this drama, and that's where a lot of people thought it ended. But apparently it goes a lot further because Meta may have been involved and OpenAI seems to think this is. This is a big issue. So OpenAI's lawyer said that they discovered that Elon Musk communicated with Meta about this purchase of ChatGPT and basically about, quote, potential financing arrangements or investments. So pretty much Elon Musk allegedly went over to Zuckerberg and was like, hey, let's get together. We could go buy OpenAI. We'll fund this thing, we'll put the money together and, I don't know, split it or whatever happens to it. And at the time, Meta was incredibly heavily invested in open source, so I imagine they'd probably try to be open source. They also stick the technology, I'm assuming, into Meta. Elon Musk had a lot of use cases with putting it into Grok and making his own chat model on his own social media platform. So I think that's kind of where he would have focused as well. Of course, his drama and beef with Sam Altman. I'm sure he would have been thrilled to kind of like, take over the company. So this did not happen. And what's interesting is OpenAI and asking Meta's lawyers about basically what's going on here. Meta objected to the initial subpoena that was submitted in July, and now OpenAI's lawyers are trying to get a court order to actually get any sort of evidence related to that. OpenAI's also asking the court for any of Meta's documents and communications related to, quote, unquote, any actual or potential restructuring or recapitalization of OpenAI. And of course, the core of this is Elon Musk's lawsuit against OpenAI. So it's really interesting to see the drama here. It goes beyond Elon Musk, I guess a lot of people are jealous And I mean, you see a company grow as fast as OpenAI today with over 700 million weekly active users. Like, this is a absolute giant. A spokesperson for Meta, Andy Stone, basically said that OpenAI's filing, he kind of pointed to a part of OpenAI's filings which says that neither Meta or Zuckerberg signed Musk's letter or intent to acquire the chat like OpenAI. So he's, they're like, you know, give us all your documents on what you guys said about it. And he's like, look, Zuckerberg never actually signed any letters. So you guys have no evidence and you guys even admit that. But I mean, I think they want the juice, they want all the, they want the tea and all the juicy info about what Zuckerberg probably said in this. So Meta didn't say anything else other than that, other than saying Zuckerberg never signed anything. I think right now this is obviously coming in like, as the backdrop to this massive fight between Musk and Meta. Musk put a lot of money into this and Meta has significantly invested into all of their own AI models. In 2023, Meta executives were really obsessed about developing an AI model that could be OpenAI's GPT4. And so I think this is, you know, if they felt like it was slipping away, they're like, maybe we could buy it. And it seems like that's long gone because by, you know, early this year, Zuckerberg apparently is super frustrated that his model has fallen behind. And maybe he let it fall behind because he thought he was going to be able to buy it. I don't really know. But you've seen him going on a massive tear, spending billions of dollars. He's really up the pressure. He also poached a bunch of top OpenAI leading researchers. So he got Shenga Zhao, who's a co creator of ChatGPT, who now leads the research efforts at the new AI unit of Meta Superintelligence Labs. It's the research unit and Meta also invested about $14 billion in scale AI. They took the CEO over to lead, basically, Meta's overall AI model. So I think right now it is not very clear how far the talks between Musk and Zuckerberg were if this was, you know, just a partnership between them or if they were really trying to, you know, collude to shut down OpenAI. But two years ago, Musk said that he would, you know, physically fight Musk. Mark Zuckerberg in a cage match. This is after Mark Zuckerberg came out with threads which is competitor Twitter. The the Silicon Valley drama never ends. The cage match never actually happened. I think Elon Musk has a bunch of back problems. Anyways, Zuckerberg is actually a pretty lethal fighter, so I think that it's probably for the best. But in any case it's really interesting to see. I'll definitely keep you up to date on all of the drama if we find out how deep this collusion was. It seems like OpenAI was quite offended by all of it, so very interesting to see what goes on in this whole story. Anyways, thanks so much for tuning into the podcast today. 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