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I turned off news altogether.
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Brandon Gentili
I hate to say it, but I
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
don't trust much of anything.
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Brandon Gentili
It's the rage bait.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It feels like it's trying to divide people. We got clear facts. Maybe we could calm down a little.
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Brandon Gentili
NBC News brings you clear reporting.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Let's meet at the Facts.
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Brandon Gentili
Let's move forward from there. NBC News reporting for America.
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Brandon Gentili
We've been lied to for so long in so many different ways that it's almost like we've gotten used to it. When anything goes on for a certain amount of time, even a wrong, it almost seems right.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
You can't stop me. What are you going to do? Turn off every computer in the world and keep it off forever?
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Brandon Gentili
Yes, I know that. But how do you propose out propagandizing the state?
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It's not a contest of of violence. It's a contest of service.
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Brandon Gentili
You can go build your own fetty mints right now. Build your sovereign stack. Do it right now. My good friend Nolan Bower always says we're gonna get good at doing the jobs of the past going forward, which is being a mother, a father, a brother, a sister, a friend, a neighbor.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It's leaving one system and entering another system, not fighting within the old System that's been co opted and controlled. A revolution by force that isn't violent. Welcome back to Market Disruptors. My name is Jake and today I'm joined by the great brand Gentile. Welcome.
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Brandon Gentili
How you doing? I'm awesome, Jake. You got the name right, which very few people have in my life. So you're in a select crowd and just an honor to talk bitcoin. Sound, money, freedom and any point. So I just appreciate you having me on.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah, appreciate you being here, man. I mean first things first, we got to get into it today. You know, we're at 60, 63, three last time I checked around there. We're quite the dumpy dump. What, what are you seeing right now? What are you feeling? What are like the emotions you're seeing around in the space? How are you feeling? Like how are you reacting to this drawdown? What do you think of it?
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Brandon Gentili
I love it. I mean I've been on a bunch of shows recently, had the fortune to talk about this fair amount lately. And I mean it's. What kind of person are you? Are you, are you a wartime general? Are you a winter soldier? You know, Thomas Payne, the summer summer patriots, you know, winter soldier, like what kind of attitude are you? I love drawdowns. You know, you can chat stack cheaper sats and you know, your family, your friends, people can get in at lower prices. It gives that ability. People, you know, complain for a long time and you know, here are these opportunities for the average pleb to get in and then people want to complain when corporations, companies, countries, sovereign wealth funds are getting in. But the plebs have had 17 years and prices, you know what, like we said off show, $63,000, you know, US dollar cuck bucks for, for a bitcoin right now. That's incredible. And, and we're lucky it's not at 500,000. We're lucky it's not at 2.5 million right now. It's 17 years in. Unfortunately, humans aren't logical. We're emotional creatures. So you know, we have these cycles and we gives us opportunities and these gifts in order to the pullbacks, in order to get more stack more cheaper SaaS. Because if humans were logical, 2010, 2011 would have rolled around. Laszlo does, you know, the pizza day we just passed obviously. And people will start seeing it and you all of a sudden you'd be like robots be like boom, we're just doing it. We're, we're taking off. This is amazing. And so it's, fortunately these things happen slower than, than you would like them to. But it gives us all a chance and opportunity to do these things. Now, on the, on the price front, I think there's a lot of things going on. I mean, I, I think the City of London, the British Crown, is something I've studied a decent amount over the last, you know, whatever, 5, 10, 15, 20 years. And it looks like they're on the way out. And that's, that's a big thing to say. But we've had central banking, really the genesis of Marxism, the genesis of the central, the, the crown and what's been happening. And really their, their nos, all the tens of thousands of organizations they have built around the world in order to go around the Dutch East India Company, the British, British East India Company, to go rape and pillage, basically, you know, China, India, South America, Latin America, I mean, you name it, we've, we fought them here in America multiple times. They're still unhappy. And that's why the central bank's here, the third central bank, because they kept fighting us and trying to figure out different ways to capture America. And that's really what the central bank now, the current Federal Reserve is, is the last iteration or the most recent iteration of the British Empire controlling us and us not being really our own sovereign country. So that's, like it or not, that's what it looks like Donald Trump is doing now. You know, politics, war is just politics in a, in a different way. And so it's not my first maneuver. You know, we all hate war. And we were just talking about this offline a little bit, and it sucks. But when you're kind of up against a wall, what do you do at the end of the day and you're, you know, in, in, in life is built off of people saying, no more. I put my foot down, I'm putting my, you know, look at the revolutionary war in America. Obviously the three couple percent of people said, yeah, I'm done. We're done here. And they, they pleasure each other, their lives or fortunes, their sacred honor, and they assured their own destruction. At least they thought they did. And they stood together and said, yeah, we're not doing this anymore. And most people were apathetic. Most people didn't care. Most people were asleep at the wheel, their head in the sand. They're British loyalists, but they still got the other 97%, still got the Constitution. They still end up getting the Bill of Rights. So that's to my, my belief that's what's going to happen here with Bitcoin as well. It's going to be a small, irate minority going forward, and you're going to pull forward the rest of humanity. And the bitcoin white paper is just the Constitution or bill of rights 2.0, property rights for all 8 billion people. You don't just have to be on American soil at this point. So we've crossed that Rubicon. So all that, all that to say I, I just, I really believe that there's a huge massive central banking unearthing change we see with Warsh. Scott Vicent is an absolute savage. One of my favorite politicians I've ever seen, which I've never thought I'd really say. But, you know, and just liking politicians, but just absolutely roasted Ron Wyden. I think it was Ron Wyden of Oregon the other day. It just like the things that they're doing. And if you actually watch their speeches, you actually watch Scott Besant, like his talk the other day at the Reagan Internet Economic Forum. Unbelievable speech. I mean, and they're, they're telling you what they're doing. And then a lot of people will fight me. A bitcoiners will fight me. And we're controlled by this certain country. You know, stuff like that. It's like, okay, are there other countries that are donating to us or have a say in what we're doing? I mean, to a degree, I guess. But again, we're our own sovereign country. And the problem is we, We've kind of lost that. We've lost our way and we're starting to get that back again. And that's what the Russia, China, that's where these meetings with them are going on. And, and we're going to this multipolar world where it'll be people have their sovereignty back and it won't be the British crown, the hand of the crown just kind of going around and just creating two sides of the same coin. Like, oh, we've got the insurance Lloyds of London, but yeah, we're also donating to these terrorist proxy organizations. And then, oh, there's a. More premiums go up. Yep, we get those too. So you see this, like, weird world going on that we've been in for a long time, for decades and decades, and that's kind of coming to an end. So whether it's Iran maybe selling a bunch of their bitcoin to fund the war, potentially, you have obviously the whale, the whales that have been sailing, but now that's kind of going back up again and we're kind of at these local bombs, the 200 day, moving average, all these things again, the four year cycle kind of looks like it's intact still to a degree, you know, generally speaking.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
So which I love, I love the opportunity that that gives the regulation, like, okay, you've seen this. Now here's your 70% drawdown. Like, this is your chance. Don't like, I love that Bitcoin has that like ingrained. It gives you the opportunity, it's gonna rip. But it's predictable, you know, to those who are paying attention, it's strangely predictable. It's weirdly predictable, you know, these, these four year cycles that we've gone through. But there's a, there's a weird comfort in that too. You know, at first it was freaky, right? In my first cycle, you know, you're like, you draw down 75%. You're like, am I crazy? Did I lose my mind? You know, and then you come back and you're like, okay, wait, wait, wait. I was, you know, the fundamentals remain the same, the foundation remains the same. It's all the psychology on top, all the investor behavior on top. Exactly that. Which, which also funny, funnily enough, remains the same as the price action in the cycles. You know, it's a, it's a. Feels like a self fulfilling prophecy to some degree. There was real quick, I want to pull on a thread about. So you were saying like, like Secretary Besant, staggeringly qualified politician. And then what they were talking about in this meeting a couple of days ago, I saw one clip from it where he was like, it's high priority for us to focus on this strategic bitcoin reserve. I believe it was from that same talk you're referring to, you know, which we hear a lot of that talk. I'm always, you know, like you said, any politician, I always take it with like a big bag of salt. Anything that I'm hearing, big salt lick. But yeah, like, can you tell me a little bit about what you were seeing from that? What you expect from Warshin Besant moving forward, kind of working together? They come from the same camp a bit. What they were talking about in that, that talk that you were just referring to?
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, I mean they, it looks like. And again, I'm not. We don't know what Donald Trump is doing. We don't know what his team is doing. We're not in the situation room. We're not in their heads. But the, the problem that I have with a lot of people, whether it's left on the right or bitcoiners, there's a Lot of mind reading going on. There's tons of mind reading, and that's cognitive dissonance. That's. Trump's just a terrible person. He lied to us. No new wars and all, you know, all this different stuff. Right? And I think, again, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna engage in some of that mind reading on. On. In my own defense or just to combat. Some of the other mind reading is Trump is what can we take away? We can take Trump and what he said for 40 years, basically, since like, 1984, of we don't want nuclear weapons of Iran, China's been screwing us. So what is he doing? He's unearthing a lot of these wrongs that he thinks need to be righted. And if you. If you got. The guy doesn't drink, but if you got him to have a beer or two and sat in a room with them, I would put my money on him thinking, this is a defensive action. This is not. This is reclaiming America's sovereignty and getting it back because we've been getting bent over the barrel for so long that this is defensive, a defensive move that. I'm just defending the country, I'm defending the border, I'm defending our. Our interests abroad because we've been getting bent over the barrel by globalists, by the city of London for so long. But you can't come out and say these things, though, really, though. And that's part of the problem. It has to kind of come out in a kayfabe, like, not Art of War, but like the WWE, the McMahons. And you got to kind of, like, act it out. And it's got. The story has to unfold over time. You can't just say, hey, here's 10 million Epstein files, and. And just dump it on the public, or here's all the 9, 11 files. You can't just do that because, number one, it'll break people's minds in half. And then you'll have people laying in the streets, and then you'll miss a lot of the good stuff, in essence. And so you have to have this slow drip, like a great example. And I'll get back to Besent and Warshire in a second. But a great example is Elon and Trump a year ago. And at the time. Again, at the time, I was very. I felt very weird with a lot of these things. I was like, whoa, what's going on? Even the war in Iran. And then I was like, you know what? I'm gonna let it play out. And as these Things have gone on. If there wasn't nuclear war in the first 72 hours or 48 hours, like a lot of people on the left, right, Everyone said Bitcoiner said there was going to happen, and that didn't happen. Then you, then the facts change. The facts may be different. There might be other information that we don't have. And that's what it looks like. So I started kind of like, okay, where, where are we going? Going back again in the archives. What has Trump been saying for decades? What is, what is Besant actually saying now? What is Trump actually saying now? What are these guys actually saying now? And remember the nuclear war, all these things going on, these are just scapegoats. A lot of, A lot of them are scapegoats. Some of them are actually real. I think some of them believe it. And there might be some things, you know, that we don't know about, but it's also a scapegoat in order to unearth some of these different things. The Iran connections, the strait, the energy, that's a choke point that you constantly are having to fight over. And London's controlling the premiums. Is it the Brent crude or wti, I can't remember, but that's controlled by London. You know, the SOFA and Libor, all that was controlled by London. And now we're basically ripping ourselves apart from all that architecture. And again, that goes back to wars, politics by different means. So if you don't have control of Congress, you don't have control of all these things. Not, you know, not to say that, hey, this is right and this is the way God would do it or Jesus would do it. Probably not, but we're human. And Trump's just saying, I'm putting my flag in the ground. I'm saying, no more. I'm not going this way. We've been getting screwed in my belief, so long that I'm going another direction. I don't care who's in my way, so take it for what it is. I'm not sitting here trying to say it's right, wrong or indifferent. I'm just saying that's what it looks like to me. So Besant and Warsh, what that part of it looks like is they're trying to take the Fed back under the wing and into the Treasury. So Fred comes under the treasury and is basically, you know, the. America's reclaiming a sovereignty and it's under the rule of treasury instead of, oh, we have this independence, Fed independence. And it's, this is high and mighty thing. And it's like. But they're completely reactionary and they have no idea what's going on and they're just kind of hollowing out the.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Well, it's, it's always been dependent, so to speak. It just feels like this is the first time where we're kind of shooting a little more straight about it, you know, or something like I want Powell gone where you know, it's. This feels like the first time where we're just like calling out.
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Brandon Gentili
I mean so much, so much of it in a way is yeah people. We've been lied to for so long in so many different ways that it's almost like we've gotten used to it. And the first in the, in Thomas Paine's Common Sense that was the precursor to the Rev, you know, the revolution basically. 1-19-1776 of. There's in the introduction. It's unbelievable and I, I've got it around here somewhere. But it basically says when, when things have gone. When anything goes on for a certain amount of time, even a wrong, a wrongs are going on for so long with a certain amount of time that passes. It almost seems right. And I'm paraphrasing it but that's basically what he's saying. So. So much of what our life accustomed to it. Exactly. And like just like inflation, there's no one even alive right now. I mean is it. Do we have anyone in America that's over 113 years old since the Fed, you know, maybe, maybe not, I don't know. But like there's no one even alive that's lived under a free market or, or not even knowing what inflation was. Or like they just. How does a frog know he's wet if he's been in the water his whole life? And that's what we're living in. So we live in this world like we can't even comprehend the. The what we've lost in life. Like a modern dark age we've lived through because like you look at like the late 1800s we had all this invention. You know, the cars are coming, planes, they're finding oil, the railroads, I mean on and on and on. Just inventions, discoveries. We got, you know, Tesla, we got Edison, we got all this stuff going on. What have we had in the last. Since the central banks we've just had war. War and chaos. Better mousetraps. You know, we invented Velcro, you know, we got some different inventions like oh yeah, NASA found this, we did this Dart, you know Dart almost got self driving cars.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
You Know, that's a pretty good one.
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Brandon Gentili
And where's the jets in the future? Where's it exactly. Where's the Jetson's future? I mean that was predicted so long ago and on the arc of history. If we kept going without the central bank, we probably would have had it in, you know, 1920s, 30s, 40s, whenever it was somewhere in there, whatever it was 50s, so the Jetsons coming in those ages. But we've now we've just hit that crescendo. Or maybe it's later on, right? What, you know where WTF happened in 1971? We had the cartoons coming out in the 50s, 60s and 70s. People predicting this is where it was going. But they were still living on a timeline from the past where they didn't realize, oh everything, we're being asset stripped. And this is, this is, we're no longer as post World War II, where we become a consumer society and we're here to consume. We're not actually here to invent and create things. And so that's this arc, this new arc that we've been on now, I believe it's getting crushed. And I think that's where you have the, the Klaus Schwab, the wef, the Mark Carney's in Canada, the central banker guys, you know, all this stuff, they're, they are, they don't, they're beside themselves because this order they've built, the, the Council on Foreign Relations, all this stuff from you know, going back to World War Wilson and then even before that obviously. But all these, you know, United nations, all this stuff has been built for so long and they've almost got it. You know, you'll, you'll own nothing and be happ 20, 30. And they're seeing it all slip away. They're seeing it all go the other direction. And that's why you have the media freaking out. That's why you have people all over the freak out. So I have people on the right freaking out. And people are kind of just like, they don't know what's happening because we're so accustomed to just go along to get along. Republicans are lovable losers. You know, Mitch McConnell's out here just doing, you know, whatever and you just kind of like, oh, we stand, we claim we stand for something we never really did. We're just all big one, you know, one big unit party which is what, what Woke me up 15, 20 years ago in 09, the crash. Then that, oh, there, there's not two teams, there's just one team. So Anyway, that's.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
What. What signaled that to you was it simply just the bailout? The banks have, you know, control over the government, you know, swaying power? What. What. What signaled to you then? Because I didn't. This wasn't something that I. I think I put together really, until probably around 2020. That was the catalyst for me to really dig in. Yeah. A little bit before that, maybe 2016 through 2020. I was starting to get it. But. But, yeah. How. How did you see this in 2009? Was it simply that the.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, it was. So I was graduating college at the time. I just. Just turned 39. I was graduating college, and I was, you know, playing hockey at Michigan State. I was about to go play in, you know, professionally and just. You had a lot of time on your hands as an athlete, too. But I was very political growing up. Even. I remember the Bush Gore election. I was 13 in 2000. I remember arguing with teachers, arguing with other students. I would argue with family members, whoever would listen and argue. And then it's. At some point in the 2000s, I kind of realized, like, no one even reads the Constitution. None of these people even have read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights even once in their life. They're not taught it. They don't understand it. So as the decade was going on, it just kind of dawned on me, like, this is pointless, because no one even understands the basics, the first principles, what's happening. And then 0809, as I'm. That my last year at Michigan State, you're seeing the crash happen. And I remember George Bush, who. I thought at the time that party, the Republican Party, was for fiscal conservatism and the Bill of Rights and the Constitution and Abraham Lincoln's party. And I saw him start the bailouts, which I thought was kind of odd because that's not what we do. We have merit and accountability and responsibility. And he. I always tell everyone, George Bush brought us up on the platform. The Barack Obama came in and dropped the floor out from under us and finished the job. And that's when I realized, oh, my gosh, there's a money game being played here, that these guys are all on the same team. Like, this was just all, you know, it supersedes everything. And so there's something. There's a structure in essence, above all this. Like, there's something going on that I'm. And as a college student, you, of course, never learned about money in school. Another thing I'd always argue with people about and professors, and no one could ever give you an answer, right? You're like, oh, you're gonna learn your job. And when you get, when you get there, you're gonna, you know, no one could ever tell you about money because no one ever understood money. And they'd. The government run school system of course, doesn't want you to understand money because then you're independent and you're not dependent on them. And so I just started going down. I found, ironically, Robert Kiyosaki's book with Donald Trump. Because I knew who Donald Trump was in 2009 and I saw why we want you to be rich in the grocery store one day and picked it up and it blew my mind. And so for all the people, Rich Dad, Poor dad was, you know, Kiyosaki's book that they first, you know, someone gave it to him or something, but it was actually Kiyosaki and Trump. And then I, then I dove down all of Kiyosaki's books. Then I went and read Richard and all this stuff in 2009. Those books led me to Creature from Jekyll island. You know, G. Edward Griffin's book about this. You know, so Federal Federal Reserve, all the central banks.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
When was that?
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Brandon Gentili
Like, this was like 09, 2010. You know, as I'm, you know, graduating and then I'm playing, I'm playing professionally. And you got a lot of time on your hands. So I'm reading a bunch. I was always still watching the news, still thinking politics was like, okay, like we can kind of fix it through politics. Like, so that was Obama gets elected. But then another huge inflection point was passing socialized medicine, Obamacare, that was rammed down everyone's throats. No one really remembers that was last second. Like reconciliation vote right before Christmas, if you heard that one before that, we just jammed something through, jammed it in. And then. So that's when I realized we are the train is off the tracks. That's when I was like, oh boy. Like we. There's no coming back from that. You don't just like, oh, we're gonna. And so that was where things really started changing for me. And I was like, I gotta start focusing on myself because clearly the answers aren't going to come from the top. I'm just having these realizations of you can't vote for someone differently because they're all just going the same direction. And so I'm reading these books, I'm, you know, reading about financial history. I stumble into Mike Baloney's books. I do Investing in Gold and Silver and all this stuff and you're just reading about more monetary history and it becomes very apparent quickly. This is how they all play you, whether it's, you know, the Rothschilds, the central banking and just how it all plays together. And then that's controlling the money.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Enslave you maybe.
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Brandon Gentili
Exactly, exactly. And so then that just led to 2012, which was, you know, thinking, oh, maybe there was a last shot. This is when Obamacare, the. It went to the Supreme Court. So this was like my first inflection point in 20. I think it was 2012, when the Supreme Court Justice John Roberts, who is a Bush appointee who generally have voted pretty conservative up until the Obamacare decision, wrote the, you know, they changed the law. Like he went outside the scope of the Supreme Court, of the jurors, the his, you know, his jurisdiction, the judicial branch, outside their scope and changed the law. And this is just a lot.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Supposed to enforce the law, not write the law.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, I mean you can't make this stuff up. And then you're kind of looking around like, where are all the men? You know, as a 22 year old, 23 year old. And I was like, I guess it was me at that point. But you, I guess you don't, you don't feel ready to go. Do we do what you need to do, wink, wink. But I don't know. I mean, you're just kind of looking around like everyone is going to. No one cares. Literally knew and no one cared. And a year before that, you had Lois Lerner at the IRS targeting conservative groups. If you had face or if you had freedom in the name of your Facebook group or different words, they were targeting you. And, and I almost never hear one bringing this stuff up. Just the other day I finally heard someone bring that up. First time, like 10, 15 years. But this has been happening for so long and people just, our memories are so short so that. That those inflection points of. And then John Roberts, I remember thinking this guy's blackmailed. Like how you, you literally went outside your SU Court justice, you don't know how the court functions and you change the law instead of enforcing the law. Then you have a. So then you're thinking there's blackmail or something outside that we're not seeing.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Once again, you were catching that pretty early.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, Exactly. And then 2012 happens and Obama at the bottom of recession wins again. Re. Wins election, which again is incumbent. So he has a little advantage. But then they were sold. They were selling to you that Chris Christie walking with him on the beach, the New Jersey governor is what somehow put Obama over the edge. Well, you're at the bottom of a recession, so you would think people would be like, okay, get this guy out of here, whatever. So that was kind of the final straw for me where I was like, I'm out. Like, I'm completely out of politics. And then I, I went and started building businesses. I was like, I. I can't. In order to affect change, I need to amass my own wealth and, and to better myself and become a better person. And that's. I. I really found personal development. 2011, 2012, started building a real estate business for 10 years. As I retired from hockey after the three years from 09 to 12, I started getting hurt. And so I was like, you know what? God's calling me a different direction. I need to do something different in my life. Is doing a lot of praying. And it just became very clear after all these events of I need to go somewhere else. I need to do something else that's going to have an actual impact on society and to this fire, something of this fire inside me that I've had since I was a child. I need to go do something else. And so I started doing that. I found bitcoin a few years later. 2014, 15 is probably the first time. 2013. But I really didn't get into Bitcoin until 2017, 2018, in that time frame. And just running my fiat business for five years, doing it. I was on doing the Instagram lives and Facebook lives. I would talk about money all the time and people would be like, well, what do you do? I'm like, well, I'm a real estate person. Like, all this money, guys, like, this all goes together. So after a while, like, our business was good, but I was just confusing my, my market so much because they're like, what do you do? Like, you do like an hour live stream on like real rates and like what money is and gold and silver and stuff. And so 2017 run up, you know, caught my eye and I was like, you know what? As soon as it comes back down or buy, I'm going to really, I'm going to start getting into bitcoin. And I was just learning about it more. And ironically, again, as a bitcoiner, you realize that could just keep going up for forever, theoretically. And so, you know, it comes back down 2018, and I start, I start buying then. And then as I'm learning it more, I start realizing, holy cow, like, this is. This could change everything. It renders gold and silver moot in essence, it renders a lot of the political stuff moot. And you start seeing that at the. At the highest degree. Right. Not that everything's ever going to go completely away, but you realize what the potential was of Bitcoin.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
And when the moment hits you when it's like, what if we did separate money from state? That's such a big deal, you know, like. Right, right. Because then. And then you think of, okay, implication, implication, implication. It's like everything changes. That's like as big as separation of church and state.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yep. That's. So the dominoes start falling, and then, Then they're just like, holy cow. So. And then. So those. For two years, I'm like thinking, okay, oh, you know, how do I. How do I kind of get out of real estate? Like, what do I need to do? But then 2020 happened. And that's when I was like, this is the final nail in the coffin for me where I was like, I. All the things I've read of history, everything, like, we're. We're gonna do it here in America, too. Like, all the ridiculous things, all the, you know, so all your past knowledge of studying and then your past experiences of seeing The Obamacare vote 11 years earlier, all these things, you're like, oh, my gosh, like, it's gonna happen here. And so when you say that.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Because I had that exact same thought, but when you have that it's going to happen here, what's the it like when you're referring to some. For me, it was. I read the Gulag Archipelago right before that, and it was. There was just like the headlines I saw in the news felt like. Reminded me of things I'd read, like in the Red Terror or in the, you know, popular Soviet newspaper. And so, yeah, what was. What was it repeating? Like, what was your reference frame for that? What did you see?
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, I mean, so I'll give you even a recent example, which is Nobel Prize winner Paul Krugman, which is just a joke, an absolute laugh factory that you can even say that. But the guy who claimed that the Internet was going to be no more impactful than the fax machine and in 1997 or whatever, you know, he's the. The Ivy League economist, you know, of the left that they've used for years. New York Times, you know, all this stuff he just said this week, in the last, you know, whatever few days that we need to re. Educate. We have re education camps and to demaga ize the population in America. And so that'll go over well. That'll go really, really well. And so that's the American modern left. Unfortunately, right now, you know, it's devolved. I mean, this, this ain't your, your daddy's JFK party anymore. Anything but. I mean, JFK would have been a staunch conservative at this point nowadays. And which is another whole story of how we've gotten.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
This is, I mean, is a great example of that. Pushing from the liberal to the. Okay, I guess I'm conservative. I guess I'm like working with Republicans now because I've been ostracized completely for like having what were traditionally very like classical liberal values.
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Brandon Gentili
Exactly. Classical liberal. We have the bastardization of language and no one even knows what anything means anymore. So you have this whole world where,
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Paul, I feel like I've seen a fall on the right too, to some degree. This aggressive, like, okay, you want to play that game? Let's play those games. And it's like, guys, guys, no, no, no, let's not, let's not like revert to this. You know, what, whatever it is, ethno tribalism or, you know, it's like, let's. Can we not please?
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Brandon Gentili
Well, you know what the funny thing about that, Jake, is that's where Trump gets in a lot of hot water, right? He's been probably a lot of the genesis of that, right? Showing that, no, you can get into the trenches and mudslinging and just do it right back. And that's where, number one, you got to be very careful because now you're on the slippery slope like you just mentioned. Number two, this is why the left has freaked out even more and got even more extreme and that like they. Trump getting elected in 2016 broke the media. It exposed the media for what we knew it was for decades. I mean, this goes Walter Cronkite and, you know, a couple of guys on, you know, Brian Jennings or, you know, whatever, that's it. There's only a couple of people. They fed you the narrative Operation Mockingbird through a couple mouthpieces and that was it. And everyone in America believed, like, well, Walter said it was the truth, so that's the truth.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
And so the Internet and social media just tore that apart.
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Brandon Gentili
Exactly. And Trump was the final linchpin that actually finally broke the media in 2016, just by him being elected and broke that wide open. And so, yeah, you have this, this world now where the Paul Krugman's of the world coming back to this, where what's the logical end? Conclusion. And that's where, like that's how my brain works. It's always thinking 20, 30, 40 years ahead, where it's like, okay, I see where what's happening, but like. And I see all the pieces leading up. Where does this get. If we take this to the logical end conclusion, where does it go? Well, it could have told you decades ago that Paul Krugman, what he's saying, that's what I was arguing 20 years ago. When I was younger, it was like, this is socialized medicine. This is the end state, guys. This is, this is Sarah Palin getting blasted by the media for saying there would be death panels in socialized medicine. In Obama's thing, sure enough, there's death panels. You know, years later, it's like, oh, yeah, we're going to ration health care. It's what happens up in Canada. And it's like, it's the same thing, all these countries. So we have the roadmap. You can, you can see it. But people are so blind, they don't do their homework, which the media knows. So they're just going to go by headlines and they can, they can control you. Because we're in perception management. We're in perception warfare, you know, 5G warfare. That's, that's what the warfare of the day is really, especially with the west in America. It's how can I lead people around by the nose, scare them, make them dependent on me, inflation, you know, controlling the money. So that way I can write one headline and control the person where I want them to go because I increase fear. We know emotions go up, intelligence goes down. And so it's this constant state of fear and unease and I'm easily controllable. And that's the world we're living in. So the end state, is that to your point, Jay, or to your question, is you could see the Paul Krugman now, we're not totally there yet, but you can see like for decades now where we're leading now. Paul Krugman, the masks are coming off and we're seeing people say things like this, the riots, mostly peaceful protests everywhere. We can see these are logical and conclusions. And it's only going to go further that way and go further that direction and get worse because we, we don't fix the root problems. And so that, I guess to answer your question, that is that it's just going to keep going worse. You're going to have dumber and dumber things like this continue happening until you fix underlying structure, the foundation.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Do you think that that is guaranteed? You know, do you think that that's something we could sidestep? If we could sidestep it, what would we need to do? You know, that cattle, that polarization. Polarization, Polarization, calamitous, reorganizing. You know, is there a way that that happens that you see where it's not. Where it doesn't have to go like that, where we could maybe, instead of having this big clash back, where we could maybe flow back to harmony, so to speak.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah. And so in saying all that, right, this was all like kind of past as prologue. I couldn't be more bullish right now about the future because. Because of what we kind of outlined a little bit in the beginning too. What's happening and these things being unearthed and whether it's the 911 files or the Epstein stuff or the city of London and what's happening there, you kind of go across the board, the Fed getting brought back under control of the United States instead of the Fed being its own entity and just running roughshod over us. All these things now to say there's going to keep playing out forever like this. I mean, who knows? In two years we could have a new administration and then a lot of these things keep going. But I think what's important though is that the toothpaste is out of the tube and like you said, the social media, for all the ills of social media and the things are happening, it, it, there's never been a better time on earth, just overall and the ability for us to communicate and do what we're doing. We couldn't do this, obviously, 20 years ago. You know, Jake and I are literally 3,000 miles apart. We couldn't, we could not do this. And so now we get to talk. We get to put our voice and opinion out there, which you could not do easily at all, even 10 years ago, but especially 20 years ago. 50 years ago, it was only Walter Cronkite. So now these thoughts are out there again. Twenty years ago, if you would have
- [32:34]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
told me, can't bury the truth.
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Brandon Gentili
It's. You can't bear the truth.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Harder now.
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Brandon Gentili
Correct. So it's only going to keep getting better for us. But it doesn't mean there's going to be like the little, you know, cyclical little bear markets or like the Paul Krugman events. Like there won't be some bad things that happen there. There will be, but secular. It's up into the right. You know, freedom's going up into the right. The, the, you know, people are being exposed for who that they are the spiritual warfare that's going on on this earth, on the church militant, which is the earth. That's what people are being exposed to. I mean, again, if you. Elon Musk, talking about trafficking of any kind and all kinds of different things, but that was so taboo. You couldn't talk about any of these things 20 years ago. I mean, it was so far off the radar, Jake, that no one. It was a third rail of life. And now these things are kind of not commonplace topics. But you see it all over Twitter. The richest guy in the world talks about it. I have a.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Everybody knows the Epstein thing. Yeah. I put out a video about this in 2020 20. It's funny. I hope nobody finds it because it's kind of goofy. But we put out. I was working for this political outlet, and we put out a video in 2020 talking about it. And even the guy who ran it, who had the idea to make the video, nice guy, cool guy, but he was like, I, like, don't want to read this. I don't want my voice on it. Like, it sketches me out. It sounds like fringe. It sounds like crazy guy stuff. And, like, you know, he knows he's connected politically. You know, some of these people is like, I don't want my voice on it. So he asked me to read it. It was one of the only ones I read. But. But, you know, now 2026, everybody. Everybody gets it. Everybody knows. In fact, it's. It's. It's. It's weird, even where it's just like, there wasn't even. There's. There's almost not even outrage. It's just like, oh, yep. You know, like the globalist pedophiles who run the world. Like, whatever.
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Brandon Gentili
You know, people say it all the time.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Brandon Gentili
It's so different now. So that's why when you zoom out, you know, so it's like, you know, I know at the beginning of this week, it was kind of, you know, somewhat dark. And I'm just telling you my past, my experiences, the things we're seeing and the things we lived, and we forget those things, but we also. It's. We got to zoom out, too, to see where we are going. And there are pockets of life that are getting worse, you know, obviously. And there's people, like, we need UBI and UHI and all these things. Yeah. Unfortunately, I think there's going to be a cohort of people that do accept that, and they do need that, and they do take that, and life will just get worse for those People, unfortunately. But I'm hoping that there's less and less those people because you're going to have the contrast of this multipolar world or this bimetallism where we see, you know, bitcoin, like we said. Scott just talked about the strategic bitcoin reserve. I do believe that there's, if not already started, there's bitcoin plans going on behind the scenes, which they're really not going to announce that much, you know, so don't expect that we're gonna have tons of Fort Knox information or bitcoin, because again, Sun Tzu, Art of War. I mean, like, you're going to show your hand and say, hey, this is what we're doing. I mean, that would be dumb. I would be shocked. I'd be shocked. And so that's where I think we're. We're seeing this world where trust and. But verify or verify before you trust as a bitcoiner meme. And a bitcoin trope is really coming out. And I just saw Glenn Beck over the last month or two really start using that meme. The legacy media, the older crowd is starting to understand. So to your question, do I see a path out of this? Absolutely. And I could not be more bullish. I think there's massive abundance in the backside. It's life. So we're going to have some bad things happen here and there. There's going to be some skirmishes, there's going to be some wars here and there. It's going to be the Henry Novaks. You know, what would just happen there, you know, in. In Europe? Like, there's going to be unfortunately bad things to have, because that's life. But overall, it is going up into the right, the freedom, the sovereignty, the ability to transact. I mean, even bitcoin. Again, if you want full privacy, completely outside the system, all that it is available with bitcoin. You know, the first layer, the second layer, third layer. You can go build your own fedimints. Right now you have, you know, different tools with, you know, coin joins and wasabi wallet and aqua and like all these different things. You can live the life right now. And I think part of the problem, and I'm guilty of this at many times too, where we're looking around to see what else is going on and make sure, like, well, the world's not perfect over there. And it's like, well, you can have it. You can have perfection, quote, unquote, right now. Build your sovereign stack. Do it right now. You don't need to worry about what everyone else is doing. We're so worried about what everyone else is doing that we forget to take care of ourselves. We forget to give attention and time and energy to our children, our spouse, the people, our family right around us. Which makes the problem even worse, ironically. And so my, my good friend Nolan Bowerly always says we're going to get good at, at being at doing the jobs of the past going forward, which is being a mother, a father, a brother, a sister, a friend, a neighbor. Because those. When you have so much abundance and energy and nuclear and that's again what Vicent is doing and I think on war and Trump the administration they're going to start unleashing is a lot of these. And you see the plans and what they've talked about, what they've been doing is, you know, nuclear energy, trying to restart that engine, the manufacturing coming here. Because energy is everything as we know. And that's what's really going to run the day. So when you hear these guys talk, they're talking about energy constantly. Because if you don't have your own energy, then you are completely a ship lost out at sea. And that's what again the Iran stuff's about. That's what these meetings, Iran or Russia and China, they just talked about, I think, you know, doing something between Russia and Alaska up there. And, and you know, energy. So anyway, not to get so much
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
the conflict is about energy. But it's like if we can just solve the energy problem.
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Brandon Gentili
Yep, changes. Yeah, exactly. And I think it's coming.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It should have came already. In fact it would be here already. It would be stopped it. But.
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Brandon Gentili
But it going back to the Jetson's age. Yeah, 100. 100. So we're getting there. And the moral story is that because of technology, because of the ability the toothpaste is out of the tube. Even if we have some setbacks, it's only short term in the grand scheme of life. Like it's going to happen because people are sick of it. The 40:45 undercrowd is so sick of the opaqueness, the lack of transparency, the ridiculous. Jonathan Gruber who passed the socialized medicine was the architect of the Affordable Care act. The Obamacare is a professor right now at MIT and he's the one in 2010, 1112 was like, oh yeah, this call to stupidity. The American voter like lack of transparency is a great political tool. Laughing about it. Have multiple videos of him doing that and laughing, just laughing in your face telling you how stupid you are. These people are still you know, so like, we have some weeding out to do going forward. The Paul Krugmans are still around these people that expose these, you know, Marxist, you know, ridiculous anti human ideas out there. But those, those, you know, that timeline is going to run its course and the younger generation is not going to put up with it anymore. So I could not be more bullish. And it all comes together.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
We can see a little bit more clearly. We can see we can get outside the system a bit because we have that opportunity. We're not just Fox News, CNN in the bubble. We can get outside the bubble a little bit more. And it seems to, I feel like, I feel like the younger generation is maybe like slightly more international. I don't know if this is just anecdotal. I've lived in a lot of places overseas. I know a lot of people. Even if they don't, they're like more plugged in with cultures. You know, there was that fad where something happened. I think it was the TikTok thing and everybody downloads Red Note. And it seems that we have a little bit more globally interconnected world. And what you're saying about the energy stuff too is part, I guess, where that connects. Part of what gives me hope is that with bitcoin we're able to have a revolution by force that isn't violent, right? So we're able to force something like a matter of like economic energy meets kinetic force, you know, kinetic energy, real world energy. And that intersection helps you be able to like force something and defend it without it being this violent defense. It's the, it's the Lowry defense with energy sort of take, you know, and that's like, that's what gives me like a, hey, I think we've got a shot this time to avoid some like, great global violent catastrophe where like, you know, 300 million people die. It's like, I think we could skip that this time because, like, because of bitcoin, basically. Because we could have that changing of the world order without it happening violently. It's a little bit of an optimistic take, I'll admit, you know, but, but I think it's possible. I think it's really possible.
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Brandon Gentili
It is, you know, it absolutely is. Because that's, that's part of this, this story where you're reorienting the architecture of society and the incentive structure because, you know, we have free will. You know, God gave us free will. But at the same time, once you're here on Earth, then there's a billion different inputs into your system, right? It's commercials, it's. You walk around, you know, your emotions go up. Like I said earlier, intelligence goes down. You see a good looking lady, you know, whatever, like you like, your free will is there. But you are tempted a lot in many different ways. And that's this in the fiat is the strongest temptation of all this where it's, it's. You want to be a consumer. Exactly. And so that's this reorientation of architecture. I got into an impromptu debate with Mike Green on my podcast a month or two ago and, and that's where you know, he was like, well, we need to educate. You got to get off this bitcoin crusade and you got, you know, we got to start educating people. I'm like, Mike, like yes, I know that. But how do you propose out propagandizing the state when they have control over all the government run schools and they have an endless money printer that you're on, on the hamster wheel and all of us are funding that every day, all day long, eight hours a day for 12 hours or 12 years in a row. How do you expect to out propagandize that machine and just educate people about capitalism or educate people the other direction. You have to reorient the architecture of society. And bitcoin's the only thing that reorients the architecture, which gives you different incentive structure.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
So then humans leaving one system and entering another system, not fighting within the same exact system that's been co opted and controlled.
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Brandon Gentili
You're off the Titanic. You're in like you said, when you zoom out, when you're not watching Fox News all the time, or you're often living on bitcoin or you understand bitcoin, you can see the Titanic is sinking. You can't see it when you're in the dollar. When you're on the ship, when you're reading the newspaper clipping still, when you're jumping from gold to real estate to stocks, you're still just shuffling deck chairs in the Titanic. Or people are, you know, voting harder and so you're voting for new captain once the torpedo already hit the Titanic. I mean the iceberg, you know, like it's, you know, you have this world where you can't get out of it unless you get on the life raft. But that's a decision that people have to take. And a lot people didn't jump off until it's too late. Or this ship, you know, ship's already 45 degrees in the air and then they're trying to jump off. And so it's going to be the same. It's going to be the same process that we kind. We go through, but it's amazing on the backside. So you still had 750 people make it to America. Not everyone's going to make it. You know, that sucks. And that's why you and I are here. That's why we're here. That's why bitcoiners are opening our mouth. Because you're trying to get as many people on the life raft now before the ship is in the air, before it's about to break.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Like, we're. We're taking on water and we've been taking on water, you know, and like, now's. Now's the time. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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Brandon Gentili
Yep.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It's hard, you know, that's the hardest thing. Some I've talked about a bit online, actually, but just like, people that you care about, family, friends, whatever, and trying to balance the, like, hey, I care about you. I want this. I want you off the sinking ship with, like, you can't, you know, you can't save everybody. You can't, like, you know, people need to make their own decisions. You can't make, you know, you can't make those decisions for, for. And they need to sometimes, too. Sometimes. There's been times where I've explained bitcoin to people and they've been like, oh, my gosh, where do I buy some? They, like, hear the three minute pitch and they're like, wow. One of my friends in Venezuela I mentioned in the last video, she was like. Because she'd, like, seen a hyperinflation. Her mom, when she was growing up, they had all of their economic value disappear. Anything that was not physical was gone, you know, and yeah, they, they, you know, they knew what that was like. When I explained it to her, she's like, oh, that makes a ton of sense. Where do I get it? And then, you know, there's people I've talked to for 10 years and they're like, but what if the Internet goes down? You know, it's like, all right, what's this? The connection between London, the Crown, how they still have the British Empire, Residual British Empire still has control over the United States via the Federal Reserve. Can you explain that idea a little bit more? Like, how does it work that they still have that control via the central bank that was set up?
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Brandon Gentili
So obviously people know a lot of bitcoiners will know. Just the Rothschild dynasty, all that. Right. And so for hundreds of years, in the British East India Company, the Dutch East India Company, the sun never sets in the British Empire, all this stuff, right? I mean at the end of the day they were an island, right? So they didn't really have many resources. So what they do, they went around and took everyone else's resources. And there was a genesis of the economic hitman that people know of more today of, you know, just in the last couple of decades. John Perkins book reading about that. But that was, you know, again, imf, the World Bank Council, Foreign Relations, the un all these different various organizations, they're just kind of like the top. And I think, you know, Mark, you know, has done a great job. Mark Moss, for people listening has done a great job. He, you know, the team has outlined many of these, these control structures and levels of, of where things are really at. And then there's some great books, the conspirators hierarchy, the committee of 300, some really dense books that were written decades ago that outline these very similar structures and tens of thousands of organizations that have been sprung up over the years, over centuries and that basically control and, and then again, just to put like a face on it today, people might remember a year ago, the usa, Aid, the nos, the intelligence agencies, the things that we're dealing with right now, that's just kind of like the end game, like the, the end of the line of what's been going on for thou or for hundreds of years of hey, how can we, how can we control this? And again, people remembered maybe some of their history going back to the Rothchilds of the different banks they set up, right? I think it was five banks they set him up, you know, in Italy and then, you know, in Britain and stuff like that, right? So he, he had this ability when you had that level of money and had the gold had made the rule. So countries were coming to them and saying hey, you know, we're in trouble. And they're oh yeah, sure, we can give you some, you know, some, some money here, but you're going to do these hundred things for us, right? We're going to take your resources, we're going to do this and that, we're going to, you got to do what we say, blah, blah, blah, right? So that was, that was the genesis of all this. And then fast forward today, the imf, that's what they do. The economic hitmen. John Perkins book the, the CIA, Mossad, MI6, MI6 being really the genesis of a lot of it and really got good in the late 1800s at mass brainwashing operations basically for lack of a better term. And just really, really perfecting, starting on their troops. So, you know, you had a century to a couple centuries of back and forth. The American Revolution, the French Revolution, all these things were going on. Really pissed that America left in the first place. And then we. We beat them again. You could talk for hours about all the intricate details of this, but. So they're mad about that. We had a couple central banks. We beat it back. And then, you know, we went for a period which was kind of this golden age where we actually had the fourth or the Industrial Revolution, The. The real Industrial Revolution, not Klaus Schwab's fourth Industrial Revolution, but we had this real boon. We had sound money, we had free banking, all this stuff going on. And then we got captured again. And, you know, we've been. We're fighting the British physically, and then we started fighting them economically, and they were fighting us economically, and they ended up winning that.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
But.
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Brandon Gentili
Or at least for now, at least the story as it stands now. But this is. This is how they just kept, you know, taking control over everything in the sense of, hey, we're. We're controlling you through the money that you are using, obviously. And so it was just the highest level of that at the end of the day. So I forgot. I was going to say a minute ago, but it was a John Perkins stuff. I can't remember now.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Ron Childs.
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Brandon Gentili
Oh, yes.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah.
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Brandon Gentili
So the Rothschilds, and that's how they. They were those member banks, in essence, all that. They would all come to those guys and say, hey, we want to bail us. But then they would say, hey. And then they bend you over the barrel and say, now we own you, in essence. And then they were doing that all over the world. And so they were doing that everywhere for a couple hundred years. That's where India, they got the Chinese hooked on opium, really destroyed China. That's why none of these guys. And this, this is partly why you have the bricks was set up in a way, because none of them liked Britain. None of them liked Britain. They were all had a grievance against Britain, rightfully so. So that's where we're just living the vestiges of that. And then the people think, like the Crown, Queen Elizabeth, you know, she was intricately woven into what was going on. People think she's this little old lady, she wasn't doing anything. They get briefs every week. Why. Why is the Prime Minister briefing the Queen or the King, you know, King Charles now if they have nothing to do with anything? And so again, this is. These are just These shell games that go on. Look at, look at James Bond. All the James Bond movies, you know, the, all the different things, especially over the last 20, 25 years. Again, they show you what's happening and what they're building. I think it was like 2010 or 2012 movie and they were showing you all the different, like AI and the different spy, you know, the intricate global spy networks they were building and stuff. And it's just the desensitize you to what, to what they're actually doing called hiding plain sight. Exactly. It desensitizes you in hiding plain sight. So there's kind of like a film familiarity or a comfortability with it. And so anyway, all that being said, zooming well again there's, there's like conspirators hierarchy committee 300 is just one of the books that really blew me away years ago that was already written 30 years before that by an old MI6 guy, you know, so with a grain of salt it was written by an msa, but it outlines all this architecture as well. On, on, so NATO, it was kind of being this mercenary in the United States, being a mercenary military contractor basically for Europe. And, and then so that's where you, you have this structure and that's why you see Trump going in there like, yeah, we're not doing this NATO thing. We're not doing this stuff. Sorry. You know, because we're just kind of, we're just dragged around like we're gonna just take care of everyone's business and they're, you know, the, the crown's dirty, dirty jobs and we're just going to do whatever for you. So anyway, again, you could talk for hours and hours about that, but that's kind of just like a broad brush.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah, that's, that's something that I'm not as familiar with that piece of history. So that's, it's interesting to hear you talk a bit about that. You. So, so you're saying 2011, 2013, you started getting into like a little bit of self help related stuff and then it was like 2018, 2020, you started getting into more of the orange pilling bitcoin stuff. Are there standout thinkers that had a big influence on you in each of those periods of time? And like what did you take away from that in your development?
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, I mean, obviously like I said, Robert Kiyosaki had a huge impact on me. Mike Maloney did his YouTube series, Hidden Secrets of Money really had a massive impact on me starting in 2012, 2013. Whenever he started that and, and just seeing that, watching those over and over again. And then I was into a lot of like macro guys at that time too. Like Kiyosaki led me down the rabbit hole of Jim Rickards, Harry Dent, you know, Max Kaiser, a lot of stuff like that. He had a bunch of those guys in his videos. Rick Rule, David Morgan, you know, all kinds of different guys, a lot of metals guys. And. And then I'm trying to think, I started getting into oh, and the person involved guys obviously like Bob Proctor, some of my biggest big one, Jim Rohn, you know, Ryan Tracy, a bit, a little bit of Tony Robbins. But like Bob Proctor and Jim Rohn are two of my favorites that I just have listened to a ton over time. Some of the old school guys as well, the Earl Nightingales of the world. So I'm just, I'm trying to think. But yeah, and then, then I got into. I'm going see some of. Some of the young guys. When I started, you know, getting the bitcoin and seeing bitcoin, that was. I'm trying to think. I. I'm sure I was watching like pompliano back in 20, maybe 1718. I can't remember when he really stuff. But then that quickly led me to, you know, I saw Jeff Booth, you know, read his book in 2019 or 2020 when that came out. That was really a game changer as well, obviously. And just kind of confirmed a lot of the things I'd been thinking about for a long time as well. Just like with AI, what was going to be coming, what was going forward in the future, where we are going to be headed. And confirmed a lot. Like I was saying earlier, my brain was always thinking a couple decades ahead. So it confirmed like, hey, this guy's twice my age or you know, almost twice my age and he has a lot of experience and he's confirming everything. I've kind of thought, believed what I see where the puck's headed. So that, I mean he's obviously been very impactful. You know, Larry Lepard, I found him in 2021. I didn't find Bitcoin Twitter until like 2021 or 2022 though, because I was so into my Fiat. I. I finally got my. I got myself out of my own business by 2022. And that's just because of the time. Just real estate, all things going on. Had a great team of people, but I just, it took a while to fire myself basically and just great people that were around me. And so I didn't get I didn't find bitcoin Twitter because I left political Twitter in like 2010 or 11 or whatever it was. And because it was very political politics driven then. And I was like, I'm out of politics. So I never was on Twitter for like 10 years because I was on, like I was saying earlier, Facebook and Instagram, doing lives and trying to market for my fiat business. So then when I left that, that's when I found bitcoin Twitter again. I was like, holy cow. Like, there's a bunch of people that think, like me, like, I didn't even know, like, I was just completely on an island. Didn't think people really. Yeah, I thought a lot of, you know, I, I could see the potential of bitcoin. I KNEW There was 10 people out there, but I didn't know there's people congregating and even more people that felt like that or felt like I did and kind of seeing these things for decades. And that's where it was just like, holy cow. And I remember, you know, Larry, the part is one of the first people I had spoken to and you know, 20, 20, 21, 2022, maybe I found Mark, you know, around that time. Yeah, probably right around the 20, 20, 21. I was into George Gammon and stuff like that when he started his YouTube stuff. But then again, when you, when you juxtapose, I just tell someone this week, when you juxtapose bitcoin with macro, like, you know, Jeff Snyder's or even the Peter Schiffs, but, you know, really smart guys, George Gammon, it just felt very moot. Like, why am I learning the banking system when I, when I. It's not going to exist in a couple decades. Like, because my mind just like it was in the future. So it was like, why am I learning something that won't exist? Like, the young generation, like we said earlier, will not put up with this garbage. It's literally the genesis of all our problems. So why would I learn the old system? So that's where like, you know, I love listening to those guys because they're brilliant. I just wish that some of those guys would spend more time just in bitcoin and just put their focus and energy in bitcoin. Because we have the answer. There's the answers over here. And we're just, we're learning no system that it's a Titanic. It's like learning the plumbing of the Titanic. It's like, why, again, why would I understand this? When it's going, it's going down, it's going down.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Don't need to know.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, don't even know.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
So you were so, you know, price drawdown. You said at the beginning, like, I love, I love the bear market. I heard you say in another.
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Brandon Gentili
Then I went on a tangent, sorry, interview.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's great, it's great. I heard you say in another interview that like it. It. You like it because it like makes, it shows, it exposes people. They like show their cards, they show where their real priorities are out, that sort of stuff. What, what have you seen? You know, what does it look like when somebody's reacting incorrectly, maybe? And what does it look like when they're reacting correctly to the bear market, in your view?
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Brandon Gentili
I mean, I guess in simplistic terms it's, hey, are you buying more? Are you, are you shitcoining all of a sudden? Are you, you know, like, what, what are you doing? Like, where are you going? I mean, again, you see like a Charles Hoskinson is waving the white flag. He's out here, he's like, I don't know what to do. And it's like, well, that's because you're not operating from first principles, Charles. You know, like you haven't been the whole time because you've been unwilling to say the truth for 10 years and you created Cardano or you've been trying to scam people, whatever. So it's like again, this goes back to the Krugman thing of people that are always wrong, like a Paul Krugman are just as important as people that are always right. And because you can take signal from that. But also you have to, whenever you're looking at something or someone, you have to come from it, from natural law, first principles, laws of thermodynamics, you know, physics, truth, reality. Like you have to, when you're engaging in your investment thesis is, or whatever it is, or just kind of your predictions, you have to engage. And then energy, like we've been talking about too, is a huge part of that. So where the energy flows, you know, energy is life and, and then these operating from first principles. And if you get those couple things right, you can generally be fairly correct, at least directionally correct. Like we've been saying, like, we know society is getting freer, more prosperous over time and we want to be directionally correct. Not that we're going to nail every single thing, but to me it's a big thing. I want to know who's in the foxhole with me at the end of the day. I want to Know who's gonna. Because I know it's not gonna be the majority of people, and I can guarantee it won't be in the majority of people. And how can I guarantee it? Well, it's because we have vast majority of human beings who don't have a clue about the fiat system that they use right now.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
That Bitcoin makes sure of that too. Kind of, you know, it's like it, it, it's, you know, the cycle is going away where when you, when you drop 70%, 80% and you're holding, there's a reason why. And if there's not a, you know, you don't have those foundational reasons, you're gone, you fall, you lose.
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Brandon Gentili
Exactly.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
You know, exactly.
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Brandon Gentili
And I want to know who those people are. How. Because it means more than just you get 21 million, you get, you, you get the properties of it, even right from first principles. I want to know, have you, have you been preparing? Can you see so far down the line that you've been prepared for this drawdown? You, you can withhold, you can withstand the pain. That's what I want to know. Those are the people I want to be around. I was telling you offline. I wanted to be a Navy SEAL my entire life. I wanted to be a fighter pilot. I ended up playing hockey. I played for the US National Under 17 and Under 18 team, played in college, played professionally. And I always wanted to be around elite people. And I always wanted to be around people who were wanting to get better every single day that were. That knew there was something more in life, that they could always keep pushing themselves and in every facet. And we can always keep getting better in every area. And I thought that was common. I thought that was normal. I thought a lot. Most people wanted that. And as I got older, I realized no, vast majority of humans don't. They want to sedate themselves, they want to escape. Somehow they. And that's always boggled my mind. I don't understand that. So I want to know who's around me and who is around me. Because I know I'm going to become the average of the people I hang out with. The, like the cliche that a lot of people know, right, the five people hang around or show me your friends, I'll show what kind of person you are. So I'm. I want to be very careful of who I'm putting around myself and where do I need to align myself, because that's going to shape my future. It's going to shape who we are and we talked about the American Revolution. It's not going to be, it's going to be a few percent of the irate minority that are on fire for truth. And that's how it is. The, the gate is what, you know, what is it? The fewer or many are called fewer chosen. And that's, that's life. And the gate is, what is it? The path is wide, the gate is, is narrow. And so that's, that's how life works. And we have to accept that and understand that. But you need to be ready to battle. As my coach in college, Michigan State, always said, you have to love to battle. Hockey is a battle. It's all, it's a million one on one battles. And that's what life is. It's a million one on one battles. And you're constantly battling. You're in the corner, you're in front of the net, you're getting cross checked, you're getting an elbow in the teeth. Like you're always a battle. And you have to get good at that and be okay with that.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah. One of my favorite things I remember hearing Jeff say, Jeff Booth, I think it was in his Madera speech actually, is he's like, why I have so much faith, belief in bitcoin remaining decentralized and secure is because I'm not for sale. And I know a lot of other bitcoiners, you know, he's about as connected as anybody in the bitcoin space, right? And he's like, I know a lot of other bitcoiners who are not for sale, you know, and if you have that minority, if you have 10,000 nodes around the world that are like, I'm maintaining my legend, you can't stop me, you know, then it's, then it's, what are you gonna do? Turn off every computer in the world and keep it off forever?
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Brandon Gentili
Exactly.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Like, I doubt it. You know, and if we do see that world, if we do see that world, it's like bigger problems. Yes. We got way bigger food, firearms, you know, like that.
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Brandon Gentili
Are we alive?
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
And I wouldn't even rule it out. Global emp. It's like, you know, perhaps crazier things have happened. Maybe not, but, but, you know, it's like, yeah, you know, it's like you, you, you hedge in proportion to the probability of the outcomes that you see coming forward. And I think the turning off all computers and keep them off forever outcome is pretty low. Which means, you know, it doesn't mean that bitcoin goes to a million next week. It doesn't mean that we go to 40 million in 20 years or whatever. But what it does mean is that, like, the probability that you can kill this thing, it's not very high. It's not very high. I'm not for sale. And a lot of other people I know, people like you, people like people who come to mind. I don't know. Mitchell Askew is someone who stood out to me. When we first met Chris Sullivan, I remember I had this conversation with him when he was in. In Miami for. For whim. And there's a few people who stand out where it's like, no, no, no. There's other guys out there where it's like, you can't. They. A lot of them. If there's a hill for them to die on, this is the 100%. And maybe this is a good place to transition too, because it's not just like, I want to get rich. Right. It's not that. It's this. You talk a lot about bitcoin in spiritual terms, and I wonder if you can help connect that for people who that might sound a little foreign to. Right. It's like, how do you say that this system is evil and this one is good in a moral sense, not in a technical, it works well sense, although it might. But, like, in that moral sense, how do you connect this spiritual moral dimension to this, to this fight?
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, it's. You know, it's hard to have honest society when you have dishonest money. And again, the Bible, it's. You can't have good fruit from a bad tree. And so this is. This is the world we're operating from. And we talked about the architecture of society, and it's tough because a lot of people, we want to point blame. We want one answer. We want one ozempic pill to make us skinny again. We want, you know, point blame. It's. It's Fauci's fault. It's so and so's fault. And the insidiousness of using fiat is that it is evil by its very existence is evil. It breaks multiple commandments by its very nature, by. By its existence.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
And it's all of our faults, faults. If you're using it, it's correct. All of our faults.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, exactly. So that's why it's so hard and so insidious to kind of see. And that's why the average person, like we said, I know it'll only be a couple percent of people that drag everyone else across the finish line, because almost no one understands the evil system. They use right now. So if you can't get them to see that, then how are you going to get.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
People are waking up though. I want, you know, it's Bitcoin's kind of on. I've said before, it's kind of on this like need to know basis where you learn about it when you need to know. If you, you don't need to know if inflation's not killing you, if you, if you're nice and comfy and floating above it, you got your assets, you don't really need to know. But if you are living month to month, you can't get ahead. You've been setting aside dollars and they keep on going down in value and you're working your butt off and then something is broken. I need to find a solution, you know, so that, that seems to kind of connect there. Sorry, keep going with what you're saying.
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Brandon Gentili
No, no. And that's, that's where the younger generations we, it's, it's a lot of these things we've kind of touched on. It's. The younger generations won't accept the, the, this garbage anymore. They won't. As their eyes begin to, the scales fall from their eyes over time and the truth is gradually revealed to them. More files come out, you know, from all these different walks of life and they're unveiled, they will start seeing that truth. But again, it's not going to be 50. That's why I was saying that it's not going to be 90 of people. It's going to be, I don't think it's a huge number right now that really see what's going on. So I think we still have a couple percent to go of the population because we might not be at 1% right now, but even if we are at 1%, I still think we have a couple percent to go. In order for people to really, truly wake up to understand. The monetary layer is the bedrock of society. Again, going back to the Bible, if you build your house on sand, if you build your economy, you build capitalism on sand. It will dissolve and go into the quicksand at some point. So you have to. The monetary layer is the bedrock layer of the system. They're not intertwined. And I've talked to so many finance bros. You talk to the credentialists, the academia, they, they think it's intertwined. They think inflation is part of capitalism. And that's why, that's why a lot of people believe capitalism is evil. And yada yada yada, they. That couldn't be more untrue. They're not together. Capitalism rides on top of the economic layer, the monetary layer, I should say. So the economic system is on top of the monetary system, and you choose the bedrock, Bitcoin, sound money. And now you can have something that undergirds the system and actually upholds the system. And now you have real incentives, real feedback loops, real merit. Exactly. Real accountability.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah. For those who don't understand, too, what you're saying is that, like, you have this capitalist system, right? Free market, but it's built on top of something that is not a free market, built on top of something that's a monopoly. And so you have this capitalist free market system, but it's all built on this lie, right? So then if you had a foundation that was honest, a foundation that was reliable, that couldn't be changed. You know, obviously, like if you played Monopoly and then the person who was the banker was just like, oh, I'm going to take an extra catch, 50 grand, I won. You know, it's like, maple doesn't work well. Right? It's that same thing, right? So instead if you had this, okay, you have this economic game, but nobody gets to print value out of thin air. You need to provide value to one another or you need to generate energy. That is the energy cost to generate these units of currency. Essentially, what I like about Bitcoin is that the transition, it's not a contest of violence, it's a contest of service. Right? And what that means is you have this economic network here, you have this economic network over here, let's say monetary network. And as you're more and more helpful to people on your network, you accumulate the excess value there. In a capitalist free market, every time you have that value exchange, both people are wealthier at the end of the exchange, right? I have something I want more, you have something you want more. We're both wealthier. And now you have that excess economic energy that then is like dispersed on your network. And what with Bitcoin, you can provide value and move that excess economic unspent. Excess economic energy. That is what your money is. You're saying, I've provided this value, but I want to store it in a little battery somewhere. I'm going to use it later, you know, and so you can take that excess energy and move it somewhere. And so we're actually fighting this revolution, quote, unquote, not violently, but saying, I'm going to help other people, I'm going to create this excess economic energy. I'm not going to consume It. But I'm going to store it somewhere where I strengthen a network where I believe in these. In these results. And that's like. That took me a little while to understand, really. And I think it's an important thing for people to realize.
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Brandon Gentili
Related.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
This is this contest of, like, service, you know, and help, you know, and it's like, okay, if we can be more productive over here, then you could be over there with your system that's broken, that has all of these. It's not an adiabatic system, as Saylor always says. You have all these heat leaks, all this energy loss everywhere. And so it seems when you look at it at the systems level, like it's inevitable and we have all of the. All of, like, the strongest people. It feels like, you know, at the base layer, you know, it's all these people who are like, yeah, I'm a lunatic who studied a bunch of this. These things for 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
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Brandon Gentili
Weaponized artist. Exactly.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
As weaponized autism.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's. And that's why, like, you know, in another way of how you're saying this as well to. To help people is again, it's. You're putting consumers and producers on the same side of the table. Like you said, instead of a combative system, people are helping each other, whether you're a consumer or a producer. Because you think about like, I used to. I use example all the time, and I haven't said it as much recently, but if you think of like Apple, if they were selling the iPhone 15 years ago and they were selling in dollars, obviously, but dollars are always losing value. So what does Apple have to do? Well, they've got to scam you, put a crappy battery in there so they. You can buy another one in two years and. And on and on and on. But if they would have been selling a Bitcoin 10 years ago or 15 years ago, and they were getting a thousand bitcoin for every iPhone, then think of how wealthy today Apple would be. We think they're wealthy now. Just imagine if they would have been accumulating bitcoin that whole time. Then you see this world where, you know, at some point, if people start doing that, as a person, I've seen myself, as you're on bitcoin over the last 10 years, you become more charitable. You're. You want to be more charitable. You feel more like, I have more to give, so you can give more. It's hard to give when you don't have anything. But so Apple, if a Company's doing it. Well, yes. Are they there to make a profit? Of course. But then you have creative destruction. You have all these things happening, which again is a whole nother kind of talk for a different day. But you have this world where, long story short, now they can put more into R D and research and development. They can actually do more because they're becoming so wealthy over time, they don't need to screw you over and have you buy a new phone every two years. What does that do? Puts more cash back into your pocket. It gives you a better product when you actually do buy and give you the bitcoin or give them the bitcoin. So you can see this reflexive loop, it starts going the other direction instead of fiat, where now consumers and producers or the government and the individual, they're all on the opposite sides of the table and everyone's pitted against each other and you're constantly fighting each other. Where bitcoin fixes that dynamic, it reorients architecture of that system. So that way again, we, like we said earlier, the spiritual nature of it, if you can't place blame on one person, it's not Richard Nixon's fault. It's not even the Rothschild's fault. It's like it just throw out history. We talk about Jesus. What are the two times he got really mad, he flipped the tables over twice. He got really ticked. The money changers in the temple. And then as soon as he fixed that, what happened? The blind, the weak, the lame, the humble, all started slowly, organically coming back into the temple. That's just like life. You can't. When you have, when you choose evil currencies, government currencies, you get all the downstream sin from that. There's not one person at the top. It's. You get all the downstream bad effects. All the sin comes after Adam and Eve ate the apple. Guess what? Now we're all living in the original sin. In a world of aftermath of now we know the difference. We only knew good at one point. We only knew it, and now we know both. And so now the temptation is there. The devil is there to tempt you to say, hey, now you know what evil is. Now you can screw over your brother, now you can screw over your sister. And you can get ahead of that person. And that's that temptation that all of us have inside of us. And when we constantly drive choosing that over and over and over again, you keep screwing people more and more. So this is just bitcoin's one aspect to right. One of those Wrongs that re architecture society. Back to a place where people are on the same side and you're not incentivized to go screw someone over because it's very hard. You have to make an active decision to not screw people over. I'm not going to go cheap in the battery. I'm not going to go do this and that. I'm going to take a hit. And that's tough because when expenses keep going up through inflation, I'm on a hamster wheel. How do you make that decision? Most can't. Most people cannot do it. And now we come back to flowchart, back to how do I want to know who's in the trench? I want to know who's with me. I want to know who's going to go through the thick and the thin and actually do the right thing, even when it hurts. And it hurts more than anything. That's what I want to know. So that's a great way to bring it full circle, all those points.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah, yeah. And I think that that's. It's an important piece too, because you have that trust in those people. Because it is. It's not a I want to go make a bunch of money thing. It's a spiritual thing. Like you mentioned, Jesus was so upset. It's interesting, you know, he was hanging out with prostitutes, hanging out with tax collectors, which, you know, it's interesting how the Bible talks about tax collectors as a group, as a whole.
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Brandon Gentili
Yep.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
And how we. I don't know, we. You don't seem to view it the exact same way. It's different in some ways. But. But I think why he was so upset. You know, you mentioned two times where he got upset, that where he's flipping the tables in the temple. I think why you get up so upset about money. What people might not really understand is that when you're stealing people's money, you're stealing their life force. You know, they're stealing. People trade in their time. You have a limited amount of time on this earth, you trade in your time. You have a limited amount of energy. You trade in your energy to provide productivity, provide in whatever form that looks like, and then you store it somewhere. And when that's stolen from, it's like that time that life essence has been stolen from you. It's like a vampire like sort of thing. And so, yeah, I think that's like an important piece to remember. It's like, you know, and money's not that important in some ways. Right. It's like, it's Just money. Your family's more important. Your relationship with the divine is more important, these sorts of things. But at the same time, it is, you know, feedback loop communication. The ways in which it's connected to those higher things are important. You. I'm gonna pull up, share this little. I retweeted this clip you hit on another show you were on here, and that's part of how we connected. What is this show, by the way? It's. It's.
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Brandon Gentili
We just started this a few months ago. Just a handful of us, obviously, you know, bitcoin content creators. And we just. It's just. We just called the BTC Mastermind. So it's be the change Mastermind. We just do it on Tuesdays, like Tuesday afternoon Eastern time, and we just kind of rock it, you know, for the last couple months on Tuesdays. And getting good feedback on it. So good. It's good group, good chemistry.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
That's cool. I'm gonna play this, and then I got maybe one or two questions. We're getting towards the end of our time here, so there we go.
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Brandon Gentili
Oh, okay, I'm not doing that. Or playing Russian roulette. And then they see someone, you know, take themselves out. Oh, okay. I shouldn't do that. But for money, it's. It sucks because it's such a long feedback loop, and you have this world where they can scam you with the currency printer. We can go decades, we could go centuries. And where people are just like. They can't make the connection in their head because the feedback loop is too long and they can't see it. It's too obfuscated. And it's the perfect sinister evil plan, probably the most evil plan that you could ever have. And the devil knows that. And that's the game that we are all. We're on this chessboard. Most people just don't know they're on that chessboard. And that's the unfortunate part. And that's why we all show up every day to educate people, hopefully, and convert people over to this new world. So you have to get into the breach. You have to the fatal funnel. We've talked about before bitcoiners, we didn't wake up one day. As a bitcoiner, you have to go through the experience, the work, the pain, the sorrow, blood, sweat, and tears put in the work. Get dragged through the mud, get burned, get rug pulled. All of us have these different stories of these things happening to us, and that's what makes you a bitcoiner on the other side in some way. Shape or fashion. So it's the crypto crowd, the altcoin Bros, the meme coiners, the GMC or gme, the AMC people. All that is just people. I saw a guy the other day, and I mentioned this somewhere, that he was AI Bro on YouTube and he's like, I was one of the biggest NFT influencers, blah, blah, blah. Now, like, a lot of us have gravitated to AI and just, like, said it, like, as a matter of fact, like, he was pumping his own, like, how good he was. It was like, you didn't see anything wrong with anything you just said there, which is just so wild to me, where it's like, we're just. We're so, like, lost right now, unfortunately. And just like this fourth turning and so obfuscated, so, so removed from reality and truth that people, you know, hundreds of thousands of subscribers on YouTube and he can't see it. He's just jumping from one thing to the next, saying, you know, God love them, because the incentives of fiat are as such, the sand is going through your hands. You're trying to figure out any way you can make a buck. And he doesn't even see the error in his ways, that if you just took a few minutes to change the money that didn't steal from you, all society starts flipping its incentives and how it's structured.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
So sometimes you just put it like that and it's like, I don't know, in a couple minutes, it feels so obvious, you know, it feels so clear, like, how are we not. How's everybody not seeing it yet? The one thing I wanted to double click on in this. I hate people who say double click. I don't know why I just said it, but
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Brandon Gentili
jones and just joshing. I'm jonesing.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Like, no, but to double click. You know, you talked about this, like, fatal funnel. I remember this was something you talked with Matt Crowder about as well in an interview. I think it was a few days ago, which was great, by the way. I'd highly recommend that, that listen. And it was the first. You know, I listen to bitcoin stuff all the time. Of course, in the space for a while, you know, I probably listen to. I mean, thousands. Maybe a bitcoin podcast. Yeah, probably too much, but. But yeah, it ignited that, you know, that. That spark, you know, when I was listening to it again, which is somewhat rare. But yeah, you talked about this fatal funnel, you know, about how, like, you don't just become a bitcoiner. There's this like, you know, people lose Coins. People get wrecked. They buy at the top. Everybody buys at the top. It's your ticket to entry. Everyone's talking about bitcoin. You buy at the top, you eat. A 70% drawdown. Welcome. You're a bitcoiner. You know, basically, some people get lucky or are smart, you know, one of the two. But. But, yeah, tell me about this fatal funnel. Like, what do you see people go through? What lessons have you learned from going through that fatal funnel? That if someone's new here, it's like, hey, these are the main pitfalls to watch out for. You know, sometimes it feels old, repetitive, not important to us. But for people who are new, it's like, no, no, no, no. This is, you know, there's some pits you don't need to fall in. You could learn from me. So. So, yeah, what is. What can you say about that?
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Brandon Gentili
The fundamentals are so important. I think it was John Wooden, who I think has 10 basketball championships at UCLA, was always. I'm pretty sure it's him getting all my facts right, but he was always the. The fundamentals guy. I. I had an Army Ranger. I was going to tell you this offline, too. I know you said about your family members, but I had a buddy of mine who I was head of my real estate team. He was an Army Ranger, obviously. I played professional hockey. We would talk about this a lot. We talk about how. What diff. What separates professionals from amateurs, and it's the repetition. Doing the same thing, showing up every day, doing the same thing, whether you want to do it or not. Going through it over and over. We would talk about clearing a house. You know, so when someone's, you know, when the guys are clearing house, a special forces unit, fire teams, clearing a house. You have to go through the breach. You got to get in. That's why guys say, you'll hear, you know, men or warriors, we'll talk about, about that. They'll say, you know, you're going in the breach. You'll hear it in, In. In religious terms as well. You have to go into the breach, and that means getting off your butt and doing something that means putting yourself out there and you're in the line of fire, you're downrange, and the funnel is that door. And so what happens when you're clearing a house? You are going through a door, a choke point, and where all the barrels focus, they're focused at the door, and you have to get through that. And it gives me chills even just thinking about it and talking about it. But that's, you know, there's brave exit rails. Those are the exit rails. Exactly. And that's, and like you said earlier, the need to know basis, that's what, you know, Saylor's talked about this, right? Saylor was there because his company is bleeding out. There's many people, their companies are bleeding out, their balance sheets are bleeding out, their personal balance sheets are bleeding out. And it's a need to know basis. At the end of the day, you will get bitcoin. That's why people say you'll get the bitcoin at the price you deserve. It's because of that. It's an analogy or, you know, a way to kind of say that in another form of. It's a need to know basis. There's. You experience the rug pulls. I've seen it, right? You see 2020 happen. You see the Canadian truckers happen in 2022. People getting their bank accounts frozen. You see the Dutch farmers events happen. You see, like I mentioned earlier, Lois Lerner in 2011, targeting conservative groups. If you had, you know, freedom in your Facebook group that you were trying to coordinate with other, you know, like minded people and conservatives, you were targeted by the irs. All these things are there to show you, hey, you need something that's sovereign, something that's outside of all this, something that can't be controlled by another man or woman who's just on a whim says, you know what? I don't like you today. That's the antithesis of America. And so getting through that fatal funnel of. And we, you think of like buds, right? So going through SEAL teams training those six months and, and getting through that grinder and, and getting through that, and that bonds you. It forges you, it makes you, it doesn't, it doesn't really make you a different person because you're already a certain person. And if you make it through, it's because of who you are generally. But it forges a bond with the other men who are doing it with you. It's maybe the locker room and guys think about being in locker room together. The bond, the comrade firefighters, right? We'll talk about a lot of times that camaraderie that you've been through the hell and back and it bonds you together. And so those experiences are what bond you. So the fatal funnel is, is that. And that's where what separates bitcoiners from everyone else is that people. I was in gold and silver. I was in real estate. I was arguing politics for a long time. And so a lot of people look at a bitcoin and say oh you're a bitcoin maxi. And it's like they just look at it because they're putting their perspective on you saying haha, like I'm just here to try to make some gains. I'm hitting the casino. You're a bitcoin maxi. Like that's pretty, that's pretty. You know, what are you, a Luddite? You're like, you're not going to get a 10x from there. That's because that's how they're, that's their frame of reference of the world. They haven't gone through the fatal funnel. They haven't experienced enough pain, generally speaking. They haven't seen the rug poles. They, they didn't see Celsius and Voyager and ftx. Apparently they didn't see again the Canadian truckers, the freezing bank accounts. They don't see or they saw them but they don't have the frame of reference for history. And like we talked about a lot of history on this. Of your experiences of memory or higher faculties of human being. A lot of people have attention span or a memory of a goldfish, which the six higher faculties you have separate you from the rest of the animal kingdom. So as a human I would suggest you know, your willpower, your memory, your intuition, your imagination, your reason and forget the sex one off top of my head, I would suggest using those, you know, do I say intuition? So like. Or perception? Those are, those are the ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I, but again Bob Proctor talked about this all the time. One of the basis of what he did was the six higher faculties. You have your five senses, your six higher faculties. But people don't remember the lowest learner thing. They don't remember Obamacare in 09, they don't remember the trucker event four years ago, they don't remember Covid five years ago. And they don't remember these things because Fiat's got them on the hamster wheel. We talked about the sin of Fiat. They're so distracted they can't even remember what they had for lunch yesterday. Time pressure. Exactly.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Not to mention the short form video damage that's being done to our short. Yeah, I saw this correlation study about short form video and it just wrecks your memory. It's like a toxic drug essentially.
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Brandon Gentili
And that's what it is. So it's all, all of this, it's these feedback loops and, and all this stuff going on and so that's, that's the fatal funnel and it's that, that makes you a bitcoiner. It forges you as a bitcoiner. And that's what I want to know again, coming full circle with all that, who. I want to know who's in the trenches, who's the winter soldier, you know, who's. Who's the wartime general who's actually here. Because they prepare themselves. Because again, it means, it means you have a memory. It means you remember you've been around, you've seen the chaos. You remember it and you prepared for it. It's not just remembering it and just like, oh, I was around for it.
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Brandon Gentili
I remembered it, I was around for it and I prepared and I had my wits about me and I was actually had the foresight to go take action on it. And so it's very hard unless you sit down for an hour or two or three or five or ten hours to explain all these things to someone. And that's why the average person isn't going to get it. Because of all their, you know, it takes a long time. But also they don't have the same experiences. They didn't recognize all these things. And then they, the incentives of life. They just want to put their head back in the sand. It's easier to flip on the TV and just tune me out and be like, eh, I'm good. I think the dollar will be here, it'll be fine. When they don't realize that every currency in human history has gone to zero, you know, it's like you have to have the frame of restaurants. You got to have the memory. You got to have the knowledge of study. The rug pulls, the pain, the scars, all these things that make you who you are, make a bitcoiner who they are. And that's the difference. That's what sets bitcoiners apart from altcoiners and gold guys and fiat apologists and real estate dudes. That's the difference. It's going through that fatal funnel.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It's that, yeah, going through that fatal funnel. It also seems too like that capacity to zoom out is a big part of it, right? Not just my own personal experiences in my life with my horse blinders on. Yes, I can zoom out past my lifespan, past my lifespan or past maybe my local governance or my country and view things. It seems like that that zoom out perspective thing is so important in some people. I don't know. I don't know. Some people just seem to have a natural proclivity. Maybe it's not natural, but a proclivity to be able to do that more. And that seems to be like a big. Have you seen that personality distributions for bitcoiners thing go around before? There's a couple different personality types. Myers Briggs personality types, ENFP and whatever.
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Brandon Gentili
And there's this.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
There's a very, very disproportionate. You know, so maybe to some degree it is a natural proclivity. That's an interesting rabbit hole for another time perhaps. We're coming up towards the end of our time. This has been great, man. I appreciate them. So you take the time and everything. You. Yeah, we could talk forever. We'll have another chat at some point. I'm sure we could. You have had some great interviews on your show too. I just shout out what you're up to over there. I think it's great. From those I saw, I listened to some of the Matt Crater. Stefan Molyneux.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Who. He's an interesting guy. He's someone that I actually don't know too much about, but a lot of people that I. Thinkers that I hold in high regard hold him in high regard, you know, so when I. When I notice that, I kind of go, okay, yeah. So. So of those, are there any standouts, you know, are there any, like, interviews that just. You took something really like life changing away from, or you just like, had a great chat with somebody like.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
What. What are the standouts from the ones you've done so far?
- [83:57]
Brandon Gentili
Yeah, I mean, you. You hit on two of them. I mean, Matt Crater's brilliant guy. I. I found him. I didn't mention him, but I found him in 2020 as well. Like right when he started converting to bitcoin content. He was one of the earliest people I'd kind of found, actually. So I've seen thousands of his videos over the years. And so I, you know, Matt's amazing. So that was an honor to be able to. To interview him. Someone that's. I've seen so much from over the years. And the Stefan Molyneux one was a great one. Trying to get him back in the bitcoin space more because he was just cancele time. He. He got canceled. Long story short, I don't know all the reasons. I think there's been many reasons or multiple reasons he's been canceled. One of them was just because he was going on the road of. He's a provocateur and he kind of knows, he explains in the show of like, hey, how do I make some noise? And it's, you know, going to these third rails of society type of thing. And he was just saying, hey, how people from different parts of the world can be smarter than others. And so that really got him in hot water and got canceled and things of that nature. And also the whole point was like, you can't have you. You can't understand society unless you know what and who you're dealing with. Like, this is idiotic. Like, you just.
- [85:03]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It doesn't mean be able to operate in reality without like being ruthless. You can't be evil or, you know, like, yeah, it's crazy.
- [85:14]
Brandon Gentili
Jake is like, again, if you don't put a black square in your profile or if you don't, you know, you get mad at like what Stefan Molyneux says. It's like, it's this weird world where just because I'm saying something that is either either my opinion or it's fact doesn't really matter. Like, it's okay. Like, it doesn't mean I don't love you still. And that's where, like, our society has a really hard time dealing with that and grappling with that. We can have an argument and like, let's fight about, let's argue about, let's debate it.
- [85:39]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
It's a tough thing to manage.
- [85:40]
Brandon Gentili
It's crazy. And it's like we're just canceling people and whatever. So it's like that. That to me is what's wild. Like, I. I can still love you, but we just have to know where we're operating from. Like, what's. What's that base foundational layer, like we said earlier, like, let's start from. And let's work our way up. Like, and that's humans.
- [85:55]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
You know, it's not a good idea to. To make an enemy of the truth in your life. That's not. That won't go take you far. So you have to be able to. And the truth can be brutal at times, it can be devastating. It. Sometimes it's. But you have to be able to find out, like, how can I position myself so that I'm like a friend of truth and not making it my enemy because it just. You're not going to beat the truth, I don't think.
- [86:17]
Brandon Gentili
No. And that goes back to the. Was it the Pharisees? I think it was when in Acts, the Apostles. And it's. I think it's Paul and John.
- [86:26]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Pretty sure can't.
- [86:27]
Brandon Gentili
I'm getting all my names mixed up. But they were going around and one of the. The wisest. I was thinking of Solomon earlier when he said bitcoiners tend to have this propensity to be able to see a lot of different angles of what's happening. Right. We talked about zooming away from the Titanic and seeing all the angles. Solomon, being the wisest man in the world, could see every angle of a situation. And the more angles you can see things from, the better perspective you're going to have. So the wisest Pharisee at the time said, hey, I wouldn't keep. After Jesus had risen, I think he had already. I think it already. Pentecost already happened. I think he may have already went back up into heaven. But he, the. The wise Pharisee told the guys that were persecuting these guys who said, you know, we're healing people in Jesus's name. He was like, don't fight these guys, because if they are sent here by God and from Jesus and they're saying what they're doing is true and saying is true, then you're just fighting God. Good luck. But he said, if they're not true and they are heathens and they're doing whatever, it'll fizzle out over time. Don't worry. So to exactly to your point, like, don't fight the truth because you're gonna. You're gonna tie yourself up in knots and you're gonna go nowhere fast. So that's. Yeah, it's. But anyway, Caitlin Long, another one. I mean, it's really good at Jeff Booth, obviously, I've had multiple times, Larry Lepara, like some really good conversations over the years. My good buddy, you know, John Har. I'm trying to think. There's so many people that I've been fortunate to just have on and, and chat with Aladdin Flynn, bitcoin trading cards. Awesome, amazing based guy. I mean, there's so many people. Michelle Weekly's of the world. Ah, I just. So many good people. I've had Mark on. I've had Mark on a year, a year and a half ago. I'm trying to think. There's just. I didn't know that good people.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
I might have to give that a listen. Yeah.
- [88:02]
Brandon Gentili
Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to think there's a lot of good people, just Samson Mouse, just, just really, really cool people that have had amazing experiences just all over. Right. In so many different walks of life, which is what's really wild. And then they all come here as bitcoiners, like Eric Cason. I'm trying to think of a few guys who were like on the political left 20 years ago who are my age and we would have been enemies, you know, basically 20 years ago. But now we're 99% aligned. Which went to my thesis of 15, 20 years ago of like wait, wait, wait. If everyone just followed the Constitution or the Bill of Rights and knew it actually, and actually had read it, we'd all be in the same team. Like it didn't make any sense to me. And that's was some of those foundational steps to me being a bitcoiner. I just didn't know it 20 years ago. And then you see Eric Cason who I'm friends with now or some of these other guys. I'm trying to think of a couple of the top of my head that are well known, even like a Brandon Quiddom. These guys were all on the left or he had a Brady Swens impact
- [88:55]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
on me early his. It just so happened. I read a bunch of his writing back in 2021 and I remember that like, like, I gotta talk with him actually. I met him once actually at a conference, but we didn't really chat.
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, you gotta have him on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'll definitely have to have him on. He's, you know, a wonderful person. But all these guys are people that I would have not been even close with. Friends, nothing 20 years ago because the media told us Occupy Wall Street Tea Party. You guys are. You guys hate each other really. They're two sides of the same coin. So now when you're in bitcoin and you zoomed away from the Titanic, you've. You've got to drift out away from it. You see, it's actually, actually going down. You rehab the perspective and you understand, oh, we are on the same team. Like you said earlier, it aligns the incentives of consumers, producers, all the. The 99 of people. You are all aligned. You all should be in communion and loving each other, knowing your neighbor, loving your neighbor. You should.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
But we're happy when they succeed. It's like your success is actually my success and it's also my success, your success. We're all rooting for each other.
- [89:50]
Brandon Gentili
Yep. When once. When a new. When you're on a bitcoin standard and someone creates a better company, that other company might go away. You might have only a couple companies, but one of them, they might get destroyed, created destruction. But because those people own bitcoin, their wealth still goes up. Even if their business goes away or they're out of a job for six months or whatever. You're on a bitcoin standard. So there's more abundance, there's more energy, there's more growth. It's growing so fast. Yeah. That you don't. It doesn't matter at the end of day.
- [90:15]
Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
This is important. I just want to lay this out in layman's terms because I don't know if, like, this is just important to understand is that, like. So if you think about it, where you have. Why you become wealthier is because you're basically. You're removing those units. Just like when Satoshi froze his wallet and set it somewhere. Right. We go from 21 million coins to 19.9 million coins or whatever it is. Right. And so. And so when you remove those units from circulation, everybody else's currency units become more valuable. Right. That's the important thing to drive home. And so it's like when you're on this bitcoin standard, when somebody else makes a bunch of money and then decides not to spend it, you're wealthier. They're hoarding bitcoin. But it's. But it's making your bitcoin worth more. You know, it's like the opposite of inflation, essentially. You're moving those units from circulation. So, yeah. Just want to drive that home. In layman's terms, it's like, this is how we move into a world where it's like, we don't have to have this rival risk where we're. Someone else's success is our failure. Somebody else's currency unit generation is theft from us. You know, it's like, we could. We could. That's the purpose of the sound money system.
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Brandon Gentili
Yes, it's the. What's the saying? I think. I don't know if it was Jeff Booth or if you just kind of popularized. I can't remember. When there's. When there's scarcity and money, there's abundance in goods and services. Right. And there was an abundance in goods and services, or when there's an abundance in money, there's a scarcity of goods and services. Right. And it's a very simple. And we. I think the last time I even had him on my show, we were actually joking about it in this very sense, though, because it made me think about economics is so easy. It's literally like one paragraph. It's supply and demand. And like there's. We're gonna have Econ 101 and 202 and all these. You know, that's the Paul Krugmans of the world. These guys, these credentialists are going to make it so complicated and just make up this Keynesian nonsense when it. All it is, is Just supply and demand. How many units are there? The currency, the money? How many goods and services are actually making?
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Real stuff. Are you actually. Exactly. Real services.
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Brandon Gentili
That's it.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah.
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Brandon Gentili
Wild.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Yeah. Well, that seems like a good place to wrap. Thanks for going a little over with me. I appreciate it. Oh yes. Yeah. Again, we could chat forever.
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Brandon Gentili
I'm sure we'll got to cut it off or we'll be here four hours from now.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Right, right, right. Because it's great. It's fascinating. It's fascinating when you know, just in this space you come across people where you chat and it's just right away it's like, okay, we, we. There's so much overlap that we don't have to spend a lot of time at the base stuff. We can go right to the. The fringes, so to speak, or the edges of our understanding. And. And yeah, yeah.
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Brandon Gentili
So true.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
Great to chat, man. Really appreciate it. Thanks for coming. Where can, how can people connect? How can people support you? Where can they find you?
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Brandon Gentili
Yeah, so we have. I have my blogs brand gentili.substack.com you can go subscribe to that because I'll be. This book I was talking about will be coming out hopefully next month or two about the American Revolution basically kind of a different version of Thomas Paine's Common Sense but instead, instead of the inhabitants to the inhabitants of America, it'll be to the inhabitants of the world and separating money and state. So kind of a pamphlet, shorter, you know, maybe 50, 75 pages, something like that, but readable for the average person. A little bit different than your average bitcoin book. So you go check that out and then just my YouTube channel, we do stuff like this, live streams, podcast, just it's just Brandon underscore Gentili, you know, find that there on YouTube and same thing for Twitter Nostra all that's the same handle. So just my name underscore in the middle there.
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Jake (Host of Market Disruptors Podcast)
So awesome. We'll get that all linked in the description we will have. You can also follow the Market Disruptors podcast on Instagram and X. We're just starting to get some new stuff going over there so you can give us a follow there. Follow Brandon, we'll have all the links below. Thanks for joining man. Really appreciate it. We'll have to talk soon.
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Brandon Gentili
So good Jake, thanks for having me on guys. Appreciate it so much.
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