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Billy
In.
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Matt Jones
Like the regular course of shows. So I thought probably the radio podcast person next to Tony Kornizer that I followed the most over the years was Bill Simmons and he used to do a mailbag report as his podcast from time to time. He just brought it back this week and I thought, you know what, we'll do that maybe every couple months we'll get questions and we will answer them on the show. And it could be my only rule was couldn't be about UK sports, so it could be news, it could be politics, it could be life, it could be pop culture. I didn't get a ton of pop culture questions. Maybe we'll get them the next time. But we did have a ton of questions about the rest of the stuff and I asked it on the text machine and on Instagram and we got the questions and now Billy and I have gone through them and I suggested like 25 and then Billy picked the 10 or 12 that he thought would be most interesting. So this is like a two filter process, a me and a Billy filter. And so Billy, I don't know what you're going to ask, although I have a, you know, ballpark idea. So you give me the question and the person who wrote it and let's go through some of these.
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Billy
We'll get to some personal stuff later, but we'll start with some hard hitting news.
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Matt Jones
Hard hitting. All right, let's do it.
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Billy
This first question comes from Teddy. What do you make of the Epstein list and all of that mess?
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Matt Jones
Well, of and all that mess. I think it's interesting because I think so I've said for a long time on the Epstein list that I don't know that there is as much there in terms of, like, big political names as everybody thinks. I think there's probably a lot of people in powerful positions who will be embarrassed and maybe even have done nefarious things. But as far as, like, is there going to be a smoking gun about Donald Trump or Bill Clinton? I've always kind of been skeptical about that because I felt like if there was, we would already know. Right. But I do think if Donald Trump is not guilty of something, he certainly acted as if he is. I mean, the rush to not put these out has been absolutely bizarre to me. You know, we talk about, in the realm of sports, that the absence of information, silence leads to the void being filled with rumor. And I don't know that there's ever been a story in history that has shown this more than the Epstein film. I mean, I know you. You have. You and Shannon have for a long time very much been like, there's stuff in there, and probably because it hasn't been released. Right? Yeah.
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Billy
And I'm just skeptical that there wouldn't be anything in there. Right.
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Matt Jones
These are powerful people, and how could you not think there was something in there if people are trying to cover them?
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Billy
Exactly. Yeah. That seems like the smoking.
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Matt Jones
So you go through the process. I think this is the way I look at it. He was arrested and convicted when Donald Trump was president. It wasn't a big news story because nobody knew who he was back then. Right. And then he, of course, killed himself in the or. I think he probably killed himself, but there are some weird things about that. Then in 2021, people started calling for the files under Biden. I don't think a lot of people realized there was a period of time where they were not allowed to release them because the Maxwell woman was still under investigation and her trial was going so they could not release them. I don't think they could have been released until like, 23. Maybe the end of 23 started 24. And then I think they could have been, but they weren't. So a lot of people say, well, if there was something bad about Trump, they would have been released then. And, I mean, that's not a. I understand why people say that. I don't know why they weren't released. But the Republicans ran on, released those files, and then they got in office and immediately were like, we don't need to release those files. Which makes you think they got there, saw something, and then we're like, whoa. I mean, wouldn't that be a reasonable assumption?
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Billy
Completely reasonable.
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Matt Jones
So a big bout of courage to Thomas Massie, the Ro Khanna. They sort of took on the charge of, we're going to get these released. And they had just enough votes. I think they had the exact amount of votes they needed to release them. And then it became, okay, do you want to be the person that votes against it? Against it? Like, once you knew it was going to pass, do you want to be on record as having not released it? And I think a lot of people were like, well, I don't want to be on record. I don't want to be the last vote to release it. But now that it's getting released, don't make me vote against it. And all of a sudden, we went from months of them not releasing it to almost a unanimous vote.
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Billy
And Trump was saying, release it.
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Matt Jones
And then even Trump said, release it. Now the question becomes, when it gets released, do you think it will all be there? And I may have mentioned to this you, Billy, two years ago, I was like, once people want this release now, when it comes out, they'll just say, it's not all there. Don't you agree? I mean, like, there's not going to be anything that comes out that everyone believes. Would you agree that?
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Billy
Yeah, well, that's just society now.
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Matt Jones
Right, exactly. So, I mean, I. My guess is it's going to come out. There are going to be some people who are powerful or rich who will be embarrassed. We've already seen Larry Summers at Harvard have to resign. There'll probably be more of that. I think there will probably be things in it that have innuendo towards Trump that is bad. But I don't think there's going to be something that says, Donald Trump did this. You know what I mean? So I think we're probably, when this comes out, gonna be right where we are now, which is that a lot of people think it was handled very poorly. A lot of people think there's famous people, powerful people in it. But does it change a whole lot? No, I think where Trump screwed it up was by waiting this long, because I think the damage is done for him. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Billy
Just the perception from the outside looking in. You defend so much to, like, not have it released. That's my natural inclination.
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Matt Jones
Your natural inclination is going to be that? I think it's ruined the reputation of Pam Bondi and Cash Patel. You know, Trump supporters do not want to blame him. They'll blame anyone on earth. But him and those people are getting the wrath from a lot of the hardest core MAGA base. It's Pam Bondi's fault. It's Cash Patel's fault. It's always gonna be anybody's fault but him for some people. Although I would argue that group is getting smaller and smaller and smaller.
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Billy
So no Bill Clinton. Well, I mean, it could be anything.
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Matt Jones
But I mean, my argument about Bill Clinton is if he's in it, prosecute him. If he did something. Why should we take up for any of these people if they did it, prosecute them. I would say, though, if they could prosecute these people, they priority would have. I think what all we're going to see in this is a lot of things that make you think something happened. But as far as having definitive proof, I think we probably won't have a lot of it.
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Billy
Think it may be a lot redacted.
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Matt Jones
From whatever is released, maybe, because, I mean, you've already heard Pam Bondi say there are national security concerns.
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Billy
Yeah.
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Matt Jones
But you gotta wonder, what is that? What are the national security concerns? That would mean he was communicating with foreign countries. The only way national security could come into play is if he was communicating. And there's some proof that he communicated with like the British monarchy, maybe the Israeli government, some people have said Russia.
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Billy
Maybe somebody in the current administration, maybe.
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Matt Jones
Maybe the past administration. I mean, who knows? I don't know. It sounds like to me, from what I've read about Epstein, he was a Democrat, but also would like talk to anyone that could get him influence. And so who knows who's in it. But my view is, if you really care about this issue, and I think Thomas Massie does, and I think, I mean, it's weird, the craziest people of Congress are the ones that wanted to release it. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace, not Tom. I actually think Thomas Massie is smart, but kudos to them for having the courage to buck Trump. And then it ends up being. It's a perfect example of if you have conviction, sometimes you can win out in the end because it ended up being what, 4, 17 to 1. Good for them. And then we'll see. But my guess is this will not be something crazy, but instead there'll be a lot redacted. And the damage for Trump, I think, has already been done. What's the next one?
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Billy
Next one comes from. Will he ask, what piece of news have you seen recently that you found most concerning?
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Matt Jones
Wow. Get in line. I think the corruption, I think Trump's corruption is on a scale unlike Anyone in history? I think all. Most. Not all. Most politicians have some corruption in them, but I don't. There's never in history been anyone as bad as Trump in terms of corruption.
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Billy
You mean like the family business?
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Matt Jones
Just money? Yeah, just sheer money. The crypto stuff is egregious. It's egregious. You know, the Jared Kushner gets $2 billion in investment from Saudi Arabia. We ended up then giving them planes and giving them national security. I mean, just take the stuff with Saudi Arabia is bad enough. And then all the crypto things, you know, Trump having his own crypto coin. People can give them money, and there's no way for us to trace it. You know, the amount of the people he's pardoned. I mean, he pardoned that Chinese bitcoin or Chinese crypto person pardoned him, and the next thing you know, there's like, $400 million investment. I mean, it's egregious. And we will look back on this as the worst money corruption presidency of all time. When we step away from it and people are not scared of him. That will be widely acknowledged. It will be like the early. The early 1900s and late 1800s where the government was completely corrupt, and that's going to be what it's like. I cannot believe that people have just looked the other way on that.
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Billy
Well, I mean, past administrations have corrupt, not.
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Matt Jones
See, that's what the excuse people use. And I'm not saying that's wrong. I think there was corruption, certainly in the Clinton administration. There was probably corruption on the periphery of the Bush administration. I don't know of a ton in Obama, but it wouldn't shock me. But there's nothing like this. This is a whole nother. I mean, they're just doing it right in front of people. I heard Jamie Comer, the congressman, say they were like, what's the difference between what the Trump kids are doing and what you said Hunter Biden did? And his answer was just. Well, they just admitted.
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Billy
That's it.
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Matt Jones
That was his answer. He was like, they're just doing it out front. Is that not okay? Is that okay?
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Billy
No.
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Matt Jones
I mean, Hunter Biden was clearly corrupt.
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Billy
Right?
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Matt Jones
But nothing like this. I mean, Hunter Biden got, like, $2 million for his art, which his art's not good. He was clearly playing on his dad's name. But this is like $400 million. You know, I just don't see how people. So that's the most troubling. The most troubling thing to me is not that it's happening. I knew Trump was corrupt. It's that people are just letting it happen and that they don't seem to care. They really don't care.
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Billy
And egregious is the right word.
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Matt Jones
It's egregious, like, and it's right out in front of us. And people are just, they, they, they don't care. And the ones that care already disliked him to begin with. You know, but there's no taking. How do you take up for pardoning that Chinese crypto guy.
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Billy
Yeah. And then start your own crypto thing?
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Matt Jones
I mean, how do you, how do you take up for just pardoning every single Republican in, In, off. In jail for corruption? Just pardon them left and right. How do you. They asked him about the Chinese crypto guy and he goes, yeah, I didn't really know him.
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Billy
Don't know the guy. You're.
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Matt Jones
How are you pardoning somebody and you don't know anything about him? You know, fix that. So I, that, to me is the most troubling, but more troubling than happening is the fact that nobody seems upset about it. That, that, that worries me because if we get into a point that you win office and then you can do whatever you want, you start to become like a third world country where the people who get elected just take skim money from everybody.
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Billy
We're not there yet.
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Matt Jones
We're not there yet. But this has been bad. I don't think people realize how bad it's been. Go ahead. What's next?
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Billy
All right, Craig asks you to pick one. End gerrymandering, Overturn Citizens United or mandate nonpartisan primaries.
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Matt Jones
All right, so in gerrymandering overturned citizens. People don't know. Citizens United is the case that allowed essentially unlimited corporate money in elections.
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Billy
Okay.
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Matt Jones
Did you know that?
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Billy
I didn't.
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Matt Jones
So that was the case where they said you have a First Amendment right to give money to candidates. I mean, you're laughing, but that was, that was a decision by the U.S. supreme Court. Mitch McConnell was the one who pushed it. And then what was the other one? Was the third one?
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Billy
Mandate nonpartisan primaries.
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Matt Jones
That to me, nonpartisan primaries wouldn't do much. You'd still like. It would be like these mayor's races where you don't know, where they, where you don't say whether they're Republican or Democrat. But, you know, so I don't really think that would do much. If you had asked me five years ago, Billy, I would have said Citizens United. But now I think in today's media world, free media can be Worth more than paid media. You know what I mean by that? Like, going on Theo Vaughn might be more important than buying $50 million worth of commercials.
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Billy
I could see that.
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Matt Jones
I mean, so I don't know that you. I don't know that having money matters as much as it used to for elections. Now it does matter for corruption purposes. But I actually think candidates can win now. I mean, think about how much free press Trump got. Trump got a ton of free press just because he was such a went on Rogan. But even before that, like, go back to 2016, all these news shows wanted him on because he was good television. You know, he had that. He probably had less money than the other candidates did.
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Billy
But doesn't it feel like candidates are beholden to the corporation dollar that they've gotten?
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Matt Jones
Yes. But I wonder in the future, like, will that still be? I just think it's so easy now to get on TikTok and make a viral ad that maybe the money matters less. I still think it's an awful decision, but the one that's the biggest is the gerrymandering. To me, gerrymandering is the one I would fix. So just to explain what gerrymandering is, people don't know that is under the current law, you can draw congressional districts any way you want so that you can win as many of the elections as possible. So go look at a map of what are the states that are the most gerrymandered? Illinois is pretty gerrymandered. Ohio is pretty gerrymandered. But, you know, you'll see those districts where it's like, all crazy.
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Billy
Instead of a normal county line, it's like going across the.
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Matt Jones
So why does that matter? Well, what hap. It matters because you end up with extreme candidates because they know they're never going to lose a general election. Right. Does that make sense?
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Billy
Yes.
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Matt Jones
So if you're in a. If you're in a district that's all Democrat, you have zero need to court Republicans. All that's going to matter is winning the primary. And who wins the primary, Usually the person who is the most Democratic.
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Billy
Okay.
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Matt Jones
Does that make sense?
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Billy
Sure.
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Matt Jones
There's no incentive to be a moderate in an extreme primary, but if you have an election where in the general election either side can win, the parties have an incentive to nominate a moderate because they have to find a way to win some Republicans. Right. Or win some Democrats. So when you gerrymander, what you do is you end up with no competitive elections. So let me give an example of what's happened now in America, Texas decided let's gerrymander and they were going to create five new Republican seats. Well, what ended up, what happened next? Do you know? California did the same thing and got five new Democratic seats. So what happened? We ended up exactly where we started. You see why that's the case? Yes. And Instead of having 10 competitive elections, we ended up with 10 non competitive elections. How was that better? Wouldn't it have been better to have five Republican, five seats that either Republicans or Democrats could have won and five seats in California that either Democrats or Republicans could run?
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Billy
Not to the political power that's in power in that state. They would want to keep it Republican or Democrat.
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Matt Jones
They would. But in terms of what's good for America.
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Billy
Correct.
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Matt Jones
Now none of those 10 seats have have an incentive to elect a moderate. You will now end up with five extreme liberals in California and five extreme conservatives in Texas. Whereas we could have had 10 moderates.
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Billy
Yeah, I see it.
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Matt Jones
And that is why gerrymandering is so bad. I think it would be much better for America if you just had a computer draw the lines based on geography and you would end up. I think somebody did this thing once and they said there would be 100 to 125 competitive races in America, whereas now there's like 30. Isn't that better?
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Billy
It is.
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Matt Jones
It's a lot better.
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Billy
The people in power want to stay in power.
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Matt Jones
It's not just about that though, because some of these people are losing their seats in these gerrymanders. The people in power don't want to answer to the voters. Right. It's so much easier to be in power when you don't have to worry about ever losing.
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Billy
Yeah, you're right about that.
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Matt Jones
You know what I mean? So that's why I hate it. I think somebody asked a question, I don't know if you're reading this one. How do we get more moderates in office? Get rid of gerrymandering. You want more moderates in office? Get rid of gerrymandering. Because as long as you have gerrymandering, you will not have moderates. And that's. As someone who considers himself a left moderate, that's bad. Clayton and Chrome was founded on a simple idea. All leather goods should last a lifetime. They make everything from bags, belts, wallets, and much more. And the best part, they're doing it right here in Kentucky. You can check them out@claytonincroom.com c r u m e.com or visit one of their retail stores in Louisville, Charleston. And now Open in Nashville. Clayton and chrome. Quality goods. Built to last.
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Billy
All right, the next one. Aaron asks, do you think we will be able to move on from the MAGA movement post Trump?
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Matt Jones
Move on? No, but it'll be different. It won't be as mean. It won't. I. Because here's the thing that has happened in the Trump era. Everybody that tries to replicate him loses. Like, think about the politicians that have tried to be him the most. They all lose. Kerry Lake in Arizona. Right. Dr. Oz ran in Pennsylvania. The people that have won in competitive races have tended to be more moderate. So I think what will happen with maga, the whole Make America First, I think that'll still exist, but I'm hoping that the meanness that he brings. Calling reporters piggy.
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Billy
That was awful.
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Matt Jones
I'm hoping that goes away, or at least people move away from it, because it's not success. I mean, I'll tell you what gives me some hope. Is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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Billy
Okay.
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Matt Jones
She used to be as mean as anybody, as crazy as anybody. I don't know if you saw, like, last week, she apologized.
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Billy
Yeah. About being in the crazy politics.
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Matt Jones
She said, I'm sorry that I've added to the. I think you're gonna see in my predictions, you're gonna see a lot more of that. You're gonna see a lot. Once he's out of power and being mean is not the national norm. I think you're gonna see a lot of these people go, maybe we need to not be as mean.
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Billy
Well, I could see people distancing themselves from Trump, but I look at Gavin Newsom as somebody that is doing what Trump did, elected.
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Matt Jones
I agree with you. And he's not my candidate for that exact reason. But he's not as mean as Trump. But he is mean. Or he's trying to be mean and.
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Billy
Doing, like, the whole.
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Matt Jones
Mean's not the word. He may be. That's the word. Memeing and trolling. I don't like that. I wish he wouldn't do that. Now, the problem is it works with Trump because it makes him mad. But I don't like it. I'm not for Gavin Newsom. I don't want him to be the candidate as of today. You know, I don't. Because I don't want that. I want to move away from that. I'd much rather. Wouldn't you much rather live in a world like I was watching Dick Cheney's funeral today. George W. Bush is sitting next to Joe Biden. Kamala Harris is sitting next to Mike Pence. Dan Quayle is sitting next to Chuck Schumer. Like, wouldn't you rather live in that world?
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Billy
I would. And the debates need to go back to a discussion of issues. Issues and not what it's become. But I'm just. I'm skeptical that it will with JD Vance and Gavin Newsom or who.
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Matt Jones
Here's what I think you're gonna see. Well, yes, if it's J.D. vance and Gavin Newsom, it won't. But here's what I think is gonna happen with J.D. vance. You write this down, okay? After these next congressional elections, he's gonna try to be not. He's gonna try to be nice again.
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Billy
Oh, J.D. switching.
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Matt Jones
He's gonna try to be back to what he was before the whole, like, trolling and all that. He's gonna realize that's not. I think he's gonna try to, like, reinvent himself as the kind of nice intellectual that he was 10 years ago.
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Billy
Well, you'll have to. To appeal to more of the country.
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Matt Jones
I agree. So to answer your question, I don't think Mag is dead. Like, I don't think the idea of let's Make America first is dead. I think you're even seeing Democrats do some of that. Mondami did that in New York, right? He said, I'm worried about the price of goods for people in New York. Not worried about Israel. I'm worried about the price of goods in New York. And he won. I think you're gonna see a lot of that. I think that's not gonna change, but I'm hoping some of, like the politics of being mean. I hope that that changes. Do you think it will?
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Billy
No, but I hope one day we'll get there. I think it'll take a couple.
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Matt Jones
Would be a lot better for America if it was Andy Beshear versus Marco Rubio. No, it was.
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Billy
It would.
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Matt Jones
It would be a lot better for America if that was the right discourse. I don't. It'll end up being probably Andy Beshear or somebody like that versus J.D. vance.
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Billy
Oh, you think it's Bashir?
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Matt Jones
No, but I'm saying that's the best I can hope.
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Billy
Okay.
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Matt Jones
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Billy
All right, next one lone wolf McLean asks what are your overall thoughts on the economic future of southeastern Kentucky?
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Matt Jones
You know, so it can be more positive than it's been in the last 40 years because so much more work, Billy is going to be remote now. Like you're not. The problem Eastern Kentucky's had since Cole's gone down is that phys like infrastructure wise, we don't have the access in and out, you know what I mean? We don't have the roads, we don't have the Internet, the technology, all that kind of stuff and then we don't have the education. A lot of that stuff becomes less important in a digitized world. Like the roads don't matter as much, you know what I mean? But we do have to move beyond, you know, the idea that we're waiting for coal to come back. That's not going to get us anywhere. I mean, blue collar jobs are in trouble, period, everywhere. So I'm more optimistic that I would have been 10 years ago, but I'm still, it's still going to be really hard. I mean, it's really hard. I think the biggest thing we have to do is focus on, you know, education and getting to the new economy because it's tough. We have major issues in terms of infrastructure that you're not going to all of a sudden be able to build an airport in the middle of the mountains. So you can't put an Amazon there and you can't put a. Because we don't have a way to get in and out. So we're going to have to be part of the new AI world. Perfect example is how our politicians have gotten rid of the solar stuff in eastern Kentucky. It's a huge mistake.
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Billy
Why?
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Matt Jones
That was the one thing we could have done. Oh yeah, we have mountains that have been cleared out in some cases and would be perfect for solar energy. We should be going all in on that. That's our chance. But people see it as a competitor to coal and like, so it's more.
- [31:15]
Billy
Of a mindset that they have to get over.
- [31:17]
Matt Jones
It's a mindset, and it's a mindset of the leaders of our state that, like, we need to care about these people here, not our political goals of whatever that is. So, I mean, a little more confidence than 10 years ago, but still very, very difficult.
- [31:35]
Billy
You mentioned remote work. You think that's something that could help that area of the country?
- [31:39]
Matt Jones
Well, I mean, if you're working on the Internet, you can do that anywhere. Right. You don't have. If assuming the. Assuming the Internet speed and connectivity is what it needs to be good enough.
- [31:49]
Billy
Yeah.
- [31:50]
Matt Jones
Which is getting better. It's still not where it needs to be, but it's improved a lot. I mean, you could argue why live in expensive Louisville when you can live in more inexpensive Kentucky and get paid the same, or Middlesboro and get paid the same amount of work. Right. So, you know, I think that's at least a glimmer of hope. What's next?
- [32:14]
Billy
Jay Cooley asks, what would your solution be for our health care in the United States?
- [32:20]
Matt Jones
I mean, I. I mean, you have to. We're going to have to have universal health care at some point.
- [32:27]
Billy
Oh, you think, well, why wouldn't you?
- [32:30]
Matt Jones
Who thinks the way we. All right. Do you think there should be a world where Americans should not have health care like that? If you're poor, you should not have access to health care?
- [32:42]
Billy
I think you should. I think you should help the poor.
- [32:45]
Matt Jones
All right, so if we start with the point that I don't think almost anybody believes we should just let people die if they don't have money, then the question just becomes, how do we do it? Right.
- [32:56]
Billy
Right.
- [32:57]
Matt Jones
So what's the best way to do it? Is the best way to do it what we do now, which is where if you don't have health care, you get to come to the hospital, to the emergency room, they have to take you, you get the most expensive treatment, and then the government pays for it. Or is it just to say, why don't we just have the government pay for it all so that you can get preventive care? Now there are problems to government health care inefficiency, backlogs.
- [33:31]
Billy
That's what I've heard mainly from Canada. When these things come up, people who.
- [33:35]
Matt Jones
Act like that's not an issue are wrong. So you have to find this public private partnership. And the answer to that is to do what we do with education, which isn't perfect, but is better, which is you offer a basic level of public care to everyone, but you can then spend more on private. If you want. I think that's the only solution that even comes. And by the way, that's kind of what we have. We just call it something different. The emergency room is now public health.
- [34:05]
Billy
Care because they'll treat you regardless.
- [34:07]
Matt Jones
Because they treat you no matter what. But why wouldn't you want to give people access to doctors? So our emergency rooms are not overcrowded?
- [34:16]
Billy
Yeah.
- [34:17]
Matt Jones
Why wouldn't you want to do that?
- [34:19]
Billy
Well, we've seen some doctors go away with the new big beautiful bill going into effect in rural areas because they're.
- [34:24]
Matt Jones
Not getting the reimbursement. So the law requires them to see people. But now the bill doesn't pay them the money. So they're going to stop or they're going to move to cities where they will get paid. I mean, do you think insurance companies having record profits while Americans have their lowest health care success of Western countries, You think that's good?
- [34:45]
Billy
No. In a capitalistic society? No.
- [34:48]
Matt Jones
Like even that is virtually all of the world's. Not all, but 80% of the world's drugs are invented and created here. And yet we don't live as long as people in Europe.
- [35:01]
Billy
Well, that's a whole other conversation. Processed foods and things like that.
- [35:06]
Matt Jones
Yes, but that's not the only reason.
- [35:08]
Billy
Quality of life, access to health care.
- [35:12]
Matt Jones
Access to health care. Why do we want to continue to move towards policies that shorten people's lifespan?
- [35:22]
Billy
You wouldn't.
- [35:23]
Matt Jones
You wouldn't.
- [35:24]
Billy
Unless you're profiting at a record amount.
- [35:27]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Which is my biggest worry about the future, which is all of our policies are geared towards people getting rich. They're not geared towards the general public. And I will say this is my hope for the future, Billy. There's a growing consensus on the right and the left. A growing consensus, interestingly, on the far left and the far right that we're spending way too much trying to help rich people.
- [35:58]
Billy
Amen.
- [36:00]
Matt Jones
And that is a chance for unity. Right. Ban congressional stock trades. Right. Get rid of billionaires affecting all the policy in the world. I do think there's going to be a world where people on the right and left go, our common enemy just fed up, are these major corporations and tech billionaires. And it's going to hit in the tech world because I think people don't like Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg. People just don't like those people.
- [36:29]
Billy
They're not relatable. No, no.
- [36:31]
Matt Jones
And they're becoming. They say Elon's going to be a trillionaire by 2027.
- [36:36]
Billy
Is that right? Trillion?
- [36:38]
Matt Jones
How Is that good? How is that good for society? That he would be a trillionaire and people don't have health care?
- [36:47]
Billy
Yeah, I don't know.
- [36:48]
Matt Jones
Not sure. It's not good, in my opinion. What's next?
- [36:53]
Billy
Tracy asks, how is learning how to cook going?
- [36:58]
Matt Jones
Not well.
- [37:01]
Billy
At all well.
- [37:03]
Matt Jones
I haven't done a lot, you know. Do you get joy out of it cooking? Yes.
- [37:10]
Billy
I've done much more cooking over the last year and a half than I have my entire life.
- [37:15]
Matt Jones
The problem is I can't get to where I consistently know the basics. And then there's a time part of it. Do I want to sit there and invest this hour into cooking for myself when there's something else I could do? Maybe.
- [37:29]
Billy
Well, it's the price really. For most people, it's much cheaper to go to the store. It may take longer. But not everybody has the luxury to just buy all the time.
- [37:39]
Matt Jones
Totally agree. But I actually don't know how much cheaper it is when you're cooking for yourself.
- [37:45]
Billy
Probably. I mean, if you do leftovers, right? It's gonna be.
- [37:47]
Matt Jones
If you do leftovers. You're correct. I also am like, I don't think I can cook things as good as that. I can go eat. Oh, that's 100% because I'm not a good cook.
- [37:57]
Billy
There's definitely a learning curve.
- [37:58]
Matt Jones
But I do want to take a class. I've looked in Lexington and Louisville. Is there someone who could give me like a one on one one year cooking class, assume you know nothing and start now. And I've just not found that person. There are people who will teach you to like be a French chef, but I just need to know how to cook the most basic stuff. And I don't.
- [38:19]
Billy
Right. And this, this instructor is probably called YouTube in this instance. I think part of the problem was you bought a book about the science of food.
- [38:28]
Matt Jones
And I, I, I. But that I read that and I liked it actually helped.
- [38:32]
Billy
But I think what you need to do is just do it. Like it's just like a trial by.
- [38:36]
Matt Jones
But I need somebody. I can't watch a video. That's not how I learn. I need someone to stand there with me and show you and show me. And I still don't have that person. And I've looked and there's people who offer, but they're not like, I need somebody who knows how to teach. There's a difference between somebody who has like good intentions and somebody who knows how to teach. You know, golf. The best golf teachers are not necessarily the best golfers Would you. You.
- [39:05]
Billy
I agree. Yeah. I would agree with that.
- [39:06]
Matt Jones
The best basketball coach. Sometimes the best players are not good coaches. I need somebody who knows how to teach you to cook.
- [39:14]
Billy
So, like, could we make tacos today? Could you brown some ground beef for us?
- [39:22]
Matt Jones
I think so.
- [39:24]
Billy
That was not a confident answer. I think, I think you can make a sandwich.
- [39:30]
Matt Jones
Jelly Bean certainly can make a sandwich. I can make pasta.
- [39:35]
Billy
Wow.
- [39:35]
Matt Jones
Because I've done that. I used to do that. Yes. I can boil water, rice, ramen. Yeah, I can grill chicken.
- [39:44]
Billy
Oh, you can. You can do the grill. Could be this guy for you if you really wanted to learn.
- [39:49]
Matt Jones
I can do a grill, but. But I don't, you know, the whole, like getting it prepared. I like the old George Foreman grill.
- [39:57]
Billy
I got one of those. It works.
- [39:59]
Matt Jones
They still make those.
- [40:00]
Billy
I don't know if they make new ones, but I mean, I would assume.
- [40:05]
Matt Jones
They have something like it though, don't they?
- [40:06]
Billy
Sure. I'm sure it's evolved.
- [40:08]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I'm sure there's something high tech like that. Maybe somebody could send you like an.
- [40:12]
Billy
Air fryer or something. Something that could.
- [40:14]
Matt Jones
Yeah, something like that.
- [40:16]
Billy
All right, well, we'll get back to you on Tracy. KT asks, what piece of advice would you give a young emerging leader?
- [40:27]
Matt Jones
Well, I would. The same advice I give everybody when I go speak at colleges, et cetera. Try everything once, Right. Especially when you're in your 20s. Try everything and don't be afraid to fail. And don't think you have to get locked in to one form of something because the world as you know, it might look drastically different in 10 years. I use the example of, let's say you 10 years ago went to college. What would they have told you you.
- [40:57]
Billy
Had to do what I had to do.
- [41:00]
Matt Jones
They'd probably say to you, you need.
- [41:01]
Billy
To learn a foreign language. Now, I don't even need to. I got your AirPods that translates the language for me. But go on.
- [41:09]
Matt Jones
I mean, it's not a horrible example, but like you need to learn the computer program. Right?
- [41:13]
Billy
Okay. Yeah, good example.
- [41:15]
Matt Jones
A job you'll always have is if you're a computer programmer, in three years, we won't even have computer programmers. AI is going to do it all. So somebody who is like one track mind. I want to be a computer programmer. They're going to have to start over, right? But if you try a lot of different stuff, then you. Because the world might just slip right out from under you. And the thing that you think is what you're going to do is Just gone.
- [41:39]
Billy
What do you think about lawyers? People get a lot of legal advice from AI now.
- [41:42]
Matt Jones
Lawyers, especially new lawyers. I wouldn't want to be a new lawyer. Right. I think you're always going to need like lawyers to go to court and all that stuff. But the things I did when I started practicing law, you wouldn't even hire someone to do anymore. You know what document review is? They used to. Just like you used to sit in a room and you'd have boxes of documents. You have to go through them.
- [42:07]
Billy
Just read them.
- [42:07]
Matt Jones
You'd have to read them and go, okay, did they say this word? Do they say this now? You wouldn't do any of that. You'd put it in a computer and they do it. It's scan it. They do it all.
- [42:17]
Billy
And if you ever got a client, they would already have done AI and they would argue with what you would want to do in every instance, I'm sure.
- [42:25]
Matt Jones
Well, people who try to get their legal advice from a. I'd say, slow down. Hey, I was going to have to get a lot better. I mean, they'll give you a basic. But AI is wrong a lot.
- [42:36]
Billy
Right. But that's what I'm saying.
- [42:37]
Matt Jones
You go on the Internet right now and use AI and say, is Matt Jones of Kentucky married? And they're gonna have me. They got me married to like five different people.
- [42:44]
Billy
Is that right? Let me.
- [42:45]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [42:46]
Billy
Who are you married to?
- [42:47]
Matt Jones
Just, just look up who is Matt Jones, Kentucky's wife? And there'll be names on there, like Nicole Jones. I don't know who that is. That's not my wife.
- [42:56]
Billy
Been married since 2024.
- [42:58]
Matt Jones
Yeah, I don't.
- [42:58]
Billy
Four children together.
- [43:00]
Matt Jones
I have four children in two in a year.
- [43:04]
Billy
To be fair, there's a lot of Matt. We've been.
- [43:06]
Matt Jones
But Matt. Did you put Matt Jones Kentucky?
- [43:08]
Billy
Yeah, I did. Matt Jones. It says Nicole Jones married to Nicole Jones.
- [43:12]
Matt Jones
Don't know who that is. And if you keep scrolling, you'll see other people they say I'm married to, but I'm not married to any of those people. Put into AI. Go to, Go to, go to.
- [43:23]
Billy
I got AI on my phone here. Hold on.
- [43:25]
Matt Jones
Put in who is Matt Jones, Kentucky sports radio host wife. See what it says.
- [43:30]
Billy
Okay.
- [43:31]
Matt Jones
I bet you it's going to come up with the name. Well, first of all, I know I'm not married, so it's going to have come up with somebody that is not my wife. What does it say?
- [43:39]
Billy
This is Chat GPT. Who is Matt Jones, Kentucky Sports radio married to and Matt Jones, the host of Kentucky Sports Radio, is married to Paige Hendrickson.
- [43:51]
Matt Jones
Ah, Paige. I don't even know a Page Hendrickson.
- [43:55]
Billy
Welcome the first couple of KSR. December 24, 2008. First, let's give a backstory that led to the marriage of Matt and Paige.
- [44:04]
Matt Jones
Okay. We don't have to go in. I don't. Just in case. Well, in case that's a real person. I don't know who that is.
- [44:10]
Billy
Okay.
- [44:11]
Matt Jones
But my point is that's not my wife. So that's why I would not trust AI to give legal advice if it doesn't even know who I'm married to.
- [44:18]
Billy
And that's my point. If you're a lawyer, every person that comes in to your firm is already gonna have this general knowledge that AI has told me.
- [44:26]
Matt Jones
But isn't that true with, like, medicine now, too? People go to the DO and they assume they know more than the doctor.
- [44:31]
Billy
Yeah.
- [44:33]
Matt Jones
So, I mean, that's just something you probably have to deal with in those careers now.
- [44:36]
Billy
I agree.
- [44:37]
Matt Jones
All right, what's next?
- [44:39]
Billy
Cloud66 asks, how was it going to Duke as a UK fan?
- [44:46]
Matt Jones
Easy. They don't really care about UK.
- [44:50]
Billy
Are you wearing gear?
- [44:52]
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah. All the time.
- [44:54]
Billy
So you're hearing it then? I mean, yeah, but they don't.
- [44:58]
Matt Jones
I'm trying to think what the example would be. Um, so the example would be, if you went to, you know, if you went to Kentucky, if you wore Indiana gear, would you get harassed?
- [45:12]
Billy
No, you just.
- [45:12]
Matt Jones
Probably not. But if you went to Indiana and wore Kentucky gear, you would get harassed. Like, they hate us more than we care about them. It's kind of how it is with Duke. Like, they don't really think of Kentucky. We care about them a lot more than they care about us, so no one really cared.
- [45:29]
Billy
But if it was reversed and there was a dookie here at Kentucky, they.
- [45:32]
Matt Jones
Would hear it, be different. They would hear it. So it was easy. And when I was there, they were really, really good. Like, they won the national championship. But I went to every game, cheered for the other team.
- [45:45]
Billy
I love that.
- [45:47]
Matt Jones
I often would try to find a shirt of the team they were playing. So I became a big Maryland fan during those years because Maryland was really good. That was Juan Dixon, Steve Blake. Remember those guys? So I would. I cheered for them, and I was. I'd wear. I'd wear turtles to the game.
- [46:09]
Billy
Sounds pretty insufferable if I was a Duke fan.
- [46:11]
Matt Jones
Yes.
- [46:11]
Billy
Matt was around.
- [46:12]
Matt Jones
I sat in the student section. I stormed the floor when. When North Carolina beat him in Durham.
- [46:17]
Billy
So you celebrated as a. I ran.
- [46:19]
Matt Jones
On the floor with the UNC team. That's funny if you. There's a game where they play Duke in like I want to say 2002 when they show the student section. You see me cheering for Carolina. In the background, the college.
- [46:35]
Billy
Young college.
- [46:35]
Matt Jones
Matt Jones of law school. But yeah, I was so it was fun for me. Except when they won the national championship. That was hard because I did hate them.
- [46:45]
Billy
You're just surrounded by it at that point too.
- [46:47]
Matt Jones
Yeah. And Shane Batty and I were going after the same woman.
- [46:52]
Billy
Right?
- [46:53]
Matt Jones
Yeah.
- [46:53]
Billy
Did he win out in the end on that one?
- [46:55]
Matt Jones
I think he had her. I think he dated her before. So I think I was after Shane but they were still friends and I was very jealous of it.
- [47:04]
Billy
It's also hard to.
- [47:06]
Matt Jones
I was a first year law student and she was like a senior so I was like a year older than me. Her Batty A was maybe a sophomore and she had dated him. You know, she'd be like shane not in. I didn't like it.
- [47:21]
Billy
Yeah, that's tough to follow a future NBA player. I mean.
- [47:24]
Matt Jones
And he also was. Seemed like a nice guy. You know what I mean?
- [47:28]
Billy
Oh yeah.
- [47:28]
Matt Jones
He was like, you know, it wasn't like he was a jerk.
- [47:31]
Billy
Bad on TV though.
- [47:32]
Matt Jones
So you had him shockingly bad on tv. Probably the most surprisingly bad person on television because I thought he'd be great because he's smart.
- [47:41]
Billy
What was his line?
- [47:42]
Matt Jones
Well, that's great.
- [47:43]
Billy
Well that's great. Yeah.
- [47:46]
Matt Jones
But yeah, he. I don't. I don't think she ever saw me with the same twinkle in her eye that she did when she's talking about shape. And then Mike Krzyzewski hit my girlfriend. A different girlfriend. They had a car wreck. Yeah. Yeah. And I had to come out. He was kind of yelling at her and I was like, listen, Mike.
- [48:07]
Billy
Stand up to Coach K. You can't.
- [48:08]
Matt Jones
Yeah, you can't yell at her.
- [48:10]
Billy
He runs that town though.
- [48:12]
Matt Jones
Yeah. You can't do that to that just.
- [48:16]
Billy
Shows you would challenge anybody like it. You.
- [48:18]
Matt Jones
Oh for sure. In the law school. The law school, when you pulled out of law school, the basketball administrative office like that, you could hit each other if you weren't careful. And you did. And well they did and yeah. I'm not gonna let you talk trash to Billy, our sports or to my then girlfriend.
- [48:39]
Billy
That's good to know. Stand up for in the face of anybody.
- [48:42]
Matt Jones
Even Coach K. Even Coach K. I've.
- [48:44]
Billy
Just got a few more for you. But I'm gonna throw in another newsy one here. Donald Trump and the leaders of Saudi Arabia met recently. What were your thoughts on that?
- [48:53]
Matt Jones
Well, corrupt. So start with corrupt. Although Saudi Arabia, though, I mean, if you want peace in the Middle east, they're probably the country with the best chance of giving it. It's an interesting moral question. All right, so it's pretty much without debate that they ordered to have that.
- [49:15]
Billy
American journalist killed, which Trump seems to say.
- [49:18]
Matt Jones
And Trump now is like, let's not talk about it. So I guess it's an interesting question. What do you do now? Let's say you legitimately believe Saudi Arabia is the key to peace in the Middle east and the key to our oil and the key to our prosperity. And let's say you believe they did that, but they're turning a new course. What do you do?
- [49:44]
Billy
I guess it depends on your belief of the greater good of the goal you're trying to accomplish here.
- [49:50]
Matt Jones
And I would say to you, there's a case to be made that you have to move forward, but that's not what Trump's doing. Trump's doing it for money. Right. And that's what's hard for me, is there's a case to be made. We need to work with Saudi Arabia in the future. But they still lie and say they had nothing to do with it. RCIA has proven they did. And I don't think that's why we're doing it. I don't think we're doing it because we see this vision of the future with more peace and prosperity. I think we're doing it because of.
- [50:26]
Billy
He wants to make a deal.
- [50:27]
Matt Jones
He's made deals with him, and he wants to have Trump properties inside. Like, that's why we're doing it. So that's what's frustrating me. But, you know, I mean, they killed, and not just killed a journalist killed an American. You know, they had an American killed. And the fact. And you know, there are people who believe they had a role in funding 9, 11. Now, that's a little less. More tenuous. But like our own CIA has proven they had that journalist killed. And the idea that they just can move forward.
- [51:02]
Billy
A citizen of another country could argue that America has done things in the past that is not looked upon.
- [51:08]
Matt Jones
And they wouldn't be wrong. Rightly, they wouldn't be wrong, which is why you might have to work with them. But I also don't think the president should sit in the Oval Office and say, well, a lot of people didn't like our American.
- [51:18]
Billy
Yeah, that Was. That was a little.
- [51:20]
Matt Jones
It's shameless. It's all. It's gross. All he cares about is whether or not you like him.
- [51:25]
Billy
And the gold in the background of the video.
- [51:27]
Matt Jones
Well, that's all. The other thing. You think the White House looks so.
- [51:30]
Billy
God, it does look like the Home Depot. Like it's spray painted.
- [51:33]
Matt Jones
I mean, I don't. Like of all. I don't really care about that, but it looks so tacky. What's next?
- [51:42]
Billy
I got two more for you. The big Shalom asks, what is a movie? I don't.
- [51:48]
Matt Jones
Shalom.
- [51:49]
Billy
The Big Shalom, he asks, what's a movie you refuse to watch because it's been hyped up too much?
- [51:55]
Matt Jones
Tombstone.
- [51:57]
Billy
I don't even know what movie that is.
- [52:00]
Matt Jones
You've never heard of Tombstone? Really old, are you?
- [52:04]
Billy
30?
- [52:06]
Matt Jones
Okay. I mean, you might have been. That might have come out, like, the year you were born.
- [52:10]
Billy
Tombstone. Pizza.
- [52:17]
Matt Jones
Pizza, yeah. You never heard of Tombstone?
- [52:19]
Billy
Not. Not a lick.
- [52:21]
Matt Jones
Wow. Well, there was. It came out, I want to say, 94, maybe 95. So, I mean, you literally. It may have been the year you were born. It starred Val Kilmer, and I never saw it.
- [52:36]
Billy
93.
- [52:37]
Matt Jones
So I never saw it. But dudes of my age will rank that as, like, one of their favorite movies. And it became a. How have you not seen it? And now I refuse to see it because people yelled at me for so long for not having seen it.
- [52:55]
Billy
I have seen screenshots of a sweaty Val Kilmer in that.
- [53:00]
Matt Jones
I think that was a different kind of movie.
- [53:04]
Billy
He's so sweaty. I don't know what his problem is in this movie.
- [53:07]
Matt Jones
Are you sure that wasn't something else you were watching?
- [53:09]
Billy
No, it was this, but I've never seen the movie.
- [53:12]
Matt Jones
Who else is in it?
- [53:14]
Billy
Kurt Russell.
- [53:15]
Matt Jones
Kurt Russell, that's right.
- [53:16]
Billy
Sam Elliott.
- [53:17]
Matt Jones
What's the line in there? You're gonna be my. I'll be your huckleberry. That's what it is. I'll be your huckleberry is something he says. And that's like a very famous thing people my age would say when I was in college. I'll be your huckleberry. Like, I'll be the one to fight you or whatever.
- [53:37]
Billy
500. Must be a peach of a hand.
- [53:41]
Matt Jones
What was that?
- [53:42]
Billy
That was just a line in the movie. Did that not resonate?
- [53:44]
Matt Jones
I just know I'll be your huckleberry, but I've never seen it. And people get on you for not seeing it. And now I intentionally won't, just to.
- [53:52]
Billy
Be like, no, I Think I'm gonna go watch it.
- [53:55]
Matt Jones
I've also never seen Lord of the Rings, but I want to. I just haven't.
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Billy
Do you have an issue with those kind of movies? Like sci fi, fantasy esque? Like, have you seen Star Wars? Are you Shannon the dude?
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Matt Jones
I've seen Star Wars. I'm fine with it. Don't watch Star Treks. That's too nerdy. I think Star wars is a little cooler than Star Trek. I don't like fantasy, but I did like reading Lord of the Rings when I was a kid, so I'm not against it. I've tried Game of Thrones like, three or four times, and I get into the first few episodes, and then it's like there's. There's monsters and horses, and it's just like, I. I just. I prefer my. I prefer to be in the actual world that exists.
- [54:36]
Billy
You might like the books. You know, that's a big. Game of Thrones is better than the. Than the show, but they still have.
- [54:42]
Matt Jones
The same, like, mystical stuff, right?
- [54:44]
Billy
They do. The problem was the. The TV show went farther than the books. So when they screwed up on the last season, that was all just, like, not what the author originally intended.
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Matt Jones
Yeah, I mean, I've literally seen episode one and two probably five times where I try. I mean, I watch when they go out and he goes out into that cold.
- [55:03]
Billy
The White Walker.
- [55:03]
Matt Jones
The White Walkers. I've watched that. And then the little. The woman with her dinosaur egg and all that. Like, I. Oh, yeah.
- [55:11]
Billy
Daenerys.
- [55:11]
Matt Jones
Daenerys. I mean, I've seen all that a bunch, but then I just. I can never get, like, never jump into the rest of it.
- [55:19]
Billy
Well, they're still creating new ones, right? The House of Dragons gonna come back out with a new season, so you need to get on board.
- [55:24]
Matt Jones
I haven't finished season one, so it's hard for me to believe I'm gonna get to House of Dragon. What's next?
- [55:28]
Billy
All right, this may be our final one here. Since you been gone. Not been gone, Bean. Gone.
- [55:34]
Matt Jones
Since you've been gone. I like the song. Since you've been gone.
- [55:37]
Billy
Yeah. Little Kelly Clarkson.
- [55:39]
Matt Jones
Okay.
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Billy
Is it hard dating being a popular public figure?
- [55:46]
Matt Jones
Yeah. Because people are in your business.
- [55:50]
Billy
Well, do you, like, date people that know who you are?
- [55:52]
Matt Jones
Try not to.
- [55:53]
Billy
Or you try not to.
- [55:56]
Matt Jones
I'd say my best dating successes in Kentucky have been with people who initially didn't know who I was. And then, like, I tend to date outside of. And just people, you know, people I understand there because I talk about everything. And don't talk about that. People seem to focus on it, so I try to, but. Yeah. Plus, people think they already know you when they meet you, and that's. Yeah, I don't. I don't love it. So, I mean. Yeah, it is a little hard. Plus, in Kentucky, the reality is people get married so young, you know, I mean, you're 30. You're ancient. To get married. Imagine you're my age.
- [56:38]
Billy
Yeah. And, you know, I love the connection I have with the listeners. They come up and act like we're friends, and we have been for a while. But I could see that being weird dating, because they would assume things about you and your personal life that would just not line up.
- [56:52]
Matt Jones
Yes. And then you go somewhere. It's hard to sign a woman up for that. Right. Because you go somewhere and everybody's looking at you. Or they might put their name or their picture up on the Internet or something. So I don't like that. Some people probably do, but, like, I don't.
- [57:12]
Billy
Or there may be Netflix cameras at your first date.
- [57:15]
Matt Jones
Well, that was a different kind of thing. So that was what? That was wild.
- [57:20]
Billy
How do you have a normal conversation when you're knowing that that's being filmed?
- [57:23]
Matt Jones
Oddly, I. Oddly, I forgot it was being filmed. I know that sounds crazy, but the camera was kind of hiding. We did. We were mic'd up, and after about 30 minutes, I kind of forgot they were there.
- [57:36]
Billy
And then that cake came out.
- [57:38]
Matt Jones
Yeah. You got to stop with the cake. There was nothing wrong with the cake.
- [57:41]
Billy
I know.
- [57:42]
Matt Jones
I mean, I don't know. Why do people think that was weird? I said, look at that cake. It was an amazing cake.
- [57:47]
Billy
Look at that cake.
- [57:50]
Matt Jones
I can't watch that, though, without cringing now.
- [57:53]
Billy
Really? But just that moment or the whole thing?
- [57:57]
Matt Jones
No, just that moment.
- [57:58]
Billy
Okay.
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Matt Jones
It was not edited well for me.
- [58:03]
Billy
Are you talking about the golf scramble?
- [58:04]
Matt Jones
No, no, no. I'm talking about the day specifically.
- [58:07]
Billy
Okay.
- [58:08]
Matt Jones
It made me look a lot more awkward than it was. I think that woman. I'm. I'm still friendly with that woman. She would tell you that it was not as awkward as that made it look like.
- [58:20]
Billy
Well, if we're going to ask her, we also need to ask the Netflix director, because they may have a different side of the story.
- [58:26]
Matt Jones
No, they wanted me to keep dating her. Like the one woman. There was a main director, and then there was, like, a secondary director. Secondary director is in. I'm still occasionally in communication with her, and she will always ask me about that woman, as if that's the only person I've seen.
- [58:44]
Billy
Yeah.
- [58:46]
Matt Jones
Yeah. But that was. That was weird. You walk in, I mean, sing about the scene. You're walking into Jeff Ruby's. All these cameras are on you and then there's all these people in the restaurant. Like, what's going on?
- [58:57]
Billy
You know, it's like you're a zoo animal a little bit.
- [58:59]
Matt Jones
Yeah, that is true. So it is. But for whatever reason, the successful, like, relationships I've had have been people that when we went out, they didn't know who I was. And then we had to overcome the barrier. They would tell their friends or their co workers they were going out with me and then they'd hear stuff.
- [59:17]
Billy
Oh. And then they'd be told secondhand and they.
- [59:19]
Matt Jones
And. And I'd have to kind of get over that barrier. That that's happened like every time.
- [59:25]
Billy
A lot of people have opinions and everybody's gonna have. That means, like, you know, she starts dating you and everybody that she knows has it.
- [59:33]
Matt Jones
And a lot of people here in Kentucky think I'm gay.
- [59:36]
Billy
Is that right?
- [59:37]
Matt Jones
Oh, yeah.
- [59:38]
Billy
You're getting up there in age, Matt.
- [59:40]
Matt Jones
What's that have to do with anything?
- [59:42]
Billy
Well, if it ain't working out with the girls, maybe it's time to switch over. Gotta find you a.
- [59:48]
Matt Jones
What does that mean?
- [59:49]
Billy
I have to find you a relationship so somebody can cook for you.
- [59:54]
Matt Jones
I don't think that is the solution to just completely switch teams.
- [60:00]
Billy
Which sides?
- [60:00]
Matt Jones
Yeah. I think I'm on the correct team. Well, if it ain't working for me, nothing against the other team. I support that team. They should play for all the glory. It's just not my team. Right. And even though you want me to switch teams, I'm fine with the team.
- [60:19]
Billy
I'm fine with whatever team you're on. I'm not worried about your team. You do makes you happy.
- [60:23]
Matt Jones
Thank you, Philly. All right, so that is. That has been interrupted by Matt Jones. We will be back. We'll be having a rerun next week for Thanksgiving. Then we'll be back the next week. We'll see you later.
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