Episode 33 - Relationship Advice

Summary

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Interrupted by Matt Jones: Episode 33 – Relationship Advice

Date: March 19, 2026
Podcast: Interrupted by Matt Jones (iHeartPodcasts)
Host: Matt Jones
Guest: Shannon "the Dude"

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Overview

In this special episode, Matt Jones invites his longtime colleague and friend, Shannon "the Dude", to co-host a candid, humorous, and surprisingly insightful episode focused entirely on relationship advice. Both single and in their 40s, Matt and Shannon field real listener questions covering everything from talking to exes and joint checking accounts to more complicated issues like libido mismatches and knowing when to end a relationship. Their banter is lively, honest, and never short of laughs, but there are genuine insights beneath the irreverent tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Can You Talk to Your Exes While in a Relationship? ([06:17])

• Shannon's View: Jealousy is expected in a relationship; “I have never had a girlfriend that was fine with me talking to an ex... but I actually think that's good, that you have a little bit of jealousy in your relationship.” ([06:23])
• Matt's View: Opposite perspective – maintains friendships with exes (except the one who cheated). “[...] If I wanted to be with that person from the past, well, then I would. But I’m not going to give up my friendship.” ([07:44])
• Memorable Quote: Matt, recalling an old church member, Hope Cox: “She knows the good wood from the brush.” ([09:05])

2. Preferring Time Alone vs. Constant Companionship ([10:03])

• Matt: Prefers significant alone time. Entertains the idea of a "long-distance marriage" or living in separate houses part of the week.
• Shannon: Opposite personality, dislikes being alone—calls himself “kind of codependent.” “[...] I hate being in an empty house without, you know, a companion there.” ([11:22])
• Advice: Know your own needs and don’t force a traditional model that doesn’t fit.

3. The Widow’s Pension Dilemma ([13:28])

• Situation: Listener asks whether to wait six years to marry so partner can keep her widow’s pension.
• Both agree: Decision should come down to what the widow wants; “If the woman wants to go ahead and get married and you really love her, you just have to go ahead and do it. You can't go 'Let’s make this a financial decision.'” ([14:01])

4. Separate Bedrooms – Can a Relationship Survive Snoring? ([15:05])

• Matt: Sleeping together is overrated as a symbol of love. “When I'm in bed, I don't want to. I can't have anything touching me when I try to sleep.” ([16:21])
• Shannon: Finds deep relationship connection in sleeping together. Shares a wild story of a girlfriend’s mom who slept on the closet floor.
• Both: Practical solutions—consider medical help for snoring, but don't let bed arrangements define intimacy.

5. How to Move Past the “Talking Stage” ([23:43])

• Matt: “It's not gonna happen.” Once you’re in the friend zone, rare to shift the dynamic. ([23:48])
• Shannon: Only chance is to be direct about your feelings, knowing you may risk the friendship.

6. Joint Checking Accounts ([26:24])

• Shannon: Prefers to keep finances separate; “I would have to have a separate banking account. I don't like joint bank accounts.” ([26:26])
• Matt: Recommends joint accounts if one partner doesn’t work; otherwise, a shared account for bills but separate otherwise for independence.

7. Keeping the Physical Spark Alive ([29:41])

• Matt: Honesty and communication are crucial. “If you eat grilled chicken every night... you have to find a way to make spices so it's different grilled chicken.” ([31:06])
• Shannon: Maintain “chase and mystique.” Keep some mystery and privacy even after years together—"Close the door when you use the restroom." ([31:27])
• Both: Avoid over-familiarity and routine for lasting attraction.

8. If Your Partner Gets Pregnant – What Now? ([32:47])

• Matt: Support the woman; her opinion is most important.
• Shannon: Be present and active in both her life and the child’s, especially if long-distance.

9. Should You Get a Prenup? ([36:38])

• Matt: Big advocate for prenups for everyone—“A prenup is just an agreement as to how, if things fall apart, how you’re going to handle it.” ([38:11])
• Shannon: Compares it to “marriage insurance;” argues it keeps things clean and clear, regardless of wealth.

10. Knowing When to End It ([40:55])

• Matt: “It should end when your life is not better with the person than it would be without.”
• Shannon: Don’t stay simply for the other person’s happiness; prolonging a dead relationship makes things harder for both.

11. Mismatched Libidos ([46:00])

• Question: Listener's wife wants sex more than he does—what to do?
• Shannon: Jokes about commercials, but lands on “might want to see a doctor.”
• Matt: Honest conversation is key, and accept that needs may change as partners age; communication is essential.

12. Losing Interest After a Year ([50:12])

• Matt: If interest is gone at 22 after a year, “you gotta go.” You can keep the memories without prolonging a relationship that’s run its course.

13. What Would It Take for Matt or Shannon to Get Married? ([52:02])

• Shannon: Would need to be “100% all in—somebody I can't see my future without.” ([52:17])
• Matt: Hasn’t felt ready for a long time, now perhaps closer, but needs someone he wants to be with “sometimes, five days a week, not in the same bed when we're sleeping.” ([53:07])
• Both: Caution against marrying too young; recommend waiting until 30s or 40s if possible.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Hope Cox Wisdom:
  “She knows the good wood from the brush.” (Matt Jones quoting Hope Cox, 09:05)
• On the Talk/Friend Zone Trap:
  “Once you’re in that zone, you’re not crossing it, in my opinion.” (Matt Jones, 23:48)
• On Sleeping Together:
  “When I'm in bed, I can't have anything touching me.” (Matt Jones, 16:21)
  “One of the deepest connections in a relationship you can have... is sleeping with someone.” (Shannon, 17:06)
• Humorous Anecdote:
  Shannon describes a high school girlfriend whose mother slept in the closet, not even in a bed.
  “If I were you, I would have broken up with that girl immediately. There is trauma there.” (Matt Jones, 17:56)
• On Relationship Endings:
  “If you are not happy, then you’re doing it to make the other person happy. They’re gonna know... you're not doing them any favors in the long run.” (Matt Jones, 42:05)
• On Split Finances:
  “If you’re going through and looking at every single thing that this person’s buying, that’s gonna cause a long term problem...” (Shannon, 29:34)
• On Marriage:
  “Have fun in your 20s. Once you get into your 30s and 40s, then if you want to start settling down, go for it.” (Shannon, 54:24)
• On Growing Older:
  “The amount of options you have will go down for various reasons... If there are ever years to just try things, those are the years.” (Matt Jones, 51:59)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Intro & Episode Context – [01:47]
• Single in Your 40s & “Qualifications” for Advice – [02:48–05:14]
• Can You Talk to Exes? – [06:17–09:28]
• Alone vs. Companionship – [10:03–12:49]
• Widow’s Pension Dilemma – [13:28–15:04]
• Sleeping Apart/Partner Snores – [15:05–19:07]
• Moving from Friends to Romance – [23:43–25:44]
• Joint Checking Accounts – [26:24–29:34]
• Keeping the Spark Alive – [29:41–32:43]
• Pregnancy: What Now? – [32:47–34:05]
• Listener: Am I Doing Life Wrong? – [40:13]
• Knowing When to End a Relationship – [40:55–42:39]
• Libido Differences – [46:00–50:10]
• Losing Interest at 22 – [50:12–51:22]
• What Would It Take for Marriage? – [52:02–54:44]

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Tone & Style

Matt and Shannon oscillate between humor and genuine vulnerability, poking fun at traditional expectations (“move over Delilah”), sharing odd personal stories, but always circling back to the heart of the question with grounded, if unconventional, honesty.

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Summary

Matt Jones and Shannon “the Dude” deliver a refreshingly real, often funny, and sometimes touching episode about relationships, based on personal experiences and listener input. Far from cookie-cutter “love doctors,” their advice is pragmatic, self-aware, and shaped by their bachelor lives and the hard lessons learned from their own (and their parents’) relationship histories. Whether you’re married, single, or somewhere in between, you’ll find something to recognize, laugh with, or ponder from the candid advice shared in this lively episode.

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Transcript

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[Matt Jones]

Interrupted by Matt Jones Episode 33 of Interrupted by Matt Jones coming to you. It is tournament week. NCAA Tournament. A lot of you may have spent today watching the games and you know, you got a lot of basketball. You still need a break and and get to think about something else. And that's why we are here now. Over the course of Interrupted, I have done a lot of stuff. We've interviewed news figures, political figures, the governor, sports figures. We've also talked about the news of the day. But we decided I was thinking about it and I was like, you know, we don't. The goal of this show is to show various parts of my personality and various interesting things. And I thought, you know, we don't talk a lot about a lot of personal stuff. And so Shannon, the dude who is on with me on KSR and some of, you know, from the rock stations around the Kentucky region, Shannon had. Hadn't been on one of these with me. And so I decided to bring him on. And Shannon, it is great to have you on your first episode of Interrupted so far.

[Shannon]

Great to be here and move over Delilah. We're about to give you some really good relationships.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. So I was thinking, okay, what could I do with Shannon? And we decided, you know, we are both in our 40s. We don't have to go into specifics as to where in that range we are, but we are both in our 40s. And Shannon, we're both single. And we always take a lot of hit heat on that because people think, well, when you're in your 40s, you're supposed to be married. Right.

[Shannon]

If you're not. Yeah. If you're not by 40 married, what is wrong with you? That's what, that's.

[Matt Jones]

That's what everybody thinks. But Shannon, I have argued that by not being married, we might be in the best position to give marriage and, or relationship advice.

[Shannon]

I think that's fair. You know, I feel like I've saved a lot of money over the years by not being married.

[Matt Jones]

That's right.

[Shannon]

A lot of stress that I, I've not had because of that. So I feel like, you know, we're doing.

[Matt Jones]

When I see relationship experts on television, or like, you take Delilah, she's been on my radio for 78 years giving relationship advice. But I've always thought, well, what makes you so good at it?

[Shannon]

It.

[Matt Jones]

You know what I mean? Like, what, what, why are you. Why to me, someone who has refused to fall to the pit holes, pitfalls of relationships. Shannon, you and I would be the ones to do it. So we asked our audience to give to. To give their questions. And for the first time ever, Matt and Shannon are going to give their relationship advice. Shannon, are you ready for that?

[Shannon]

I'm ready. Before you do, though, can I give everybody my qualifications? Because. Okay, please listen to me about relationship advice. I need to have some qualifications. First of all, I've been in relationships throughout my life, so I think that qualifies me. Number one, I've also been proposed to by another woman at one point in my life.

[Matt Jones]

Not a lot of people have done that. Very few people have been proposed to by a woman.

[Shannon]

Very few men can Claim that. And number three, I don't mind saying this. My parents have been married a combined eight times and divorced a combined seven times. So I feel like I've watched from afar, not that far, Some. Some really bad.

[Matt Jones]

And haven't they. Haven't they had a few with each other?

[Shannon]

No, just one. Just one. But other people involved.

[Matt Jones]

So your parents have had combined nine marriages and seven divorces.

[Shannon]

That's about right. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So. So you've been through it all. You, you know. You know the details.

[Shannon]

I've seen it. And I said, you know what? I don't think marriage is for me right now.

[Matt Jones]

It's true. I've had very serious relationships. There's. I would say four, depending on how you do it, maybe five serious relationships over the years. And. And so I feel like, you know, our variety of women we've dated, Shannon, has given us a big ability to understand how things should work. Right?

[Shannon]

That's right. Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So let's go. We have 16 questions that I've gotten, and I'm gonna go through these, and we are going to give our take on it. We may disagree on some, and these all came from listeners. Most of them came from men. But there are some. Some women that have had questions as well. And so we thought we would just go. Go through them. So let's get started with number one. One person writes, Matt, I'm excited to have you and Shannon do a relationship show. I have a very simple one. Do you all believe that you could be in a relationship and still talk to your exes?

[Shannon]

Great question.

[Matt Jones]

All right, Shannon, I'll let you go first. We'll alternate who goes first. You can go first on this one for me.

[Shannon]

In my experience, I have never had a girlfriend that was fine with me talking to an ex, obviously, because there's jealousy, but I actually think there's. That's good that you have a little bit of jealousy in your relationship. You don't want to go too over the top with jealousy, but I'm fine because that means that she cares about me, you know, like, if she wasn't jealous at all, I would be a little concerned.

[Matt Jones]

Like, interesting.

[Shannon]

You don't care at all. I think that she has a little bit of jealousy.

[Matt Jones]

So you. You want jealousy? You want. But do you not. Are there any of your exes that you wish you could still talk to as friends?

[Shannon]

No. No.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But you do tend to just decide when you're done with somebody. You're just done.

[Shannon]

You got to be done, man. I feel like if you let that other relationship linger, it destroys your current relationship.

[Matt Jones]

Well, see, I'm the opposite. Okay? So I would say, with the exception of the woman that I was in a serious relationship with, who cheated on me in law school, I'm still friends with all of my exes. And I usually will say early on, I'm going to keep my friendships with the people from the past. And if you say you want jealousy, I would argue if you're in a good relationship, you don't need to have jealousy because you have trust. Right.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

My argument has always been, if I wanted to be with that person from the past, well, then I would. Right. Like, that would have been what happened, but it hasn't. But I'm not going to give up my friendship. I mean, you would not let a woman, Shannon, tell you you couldn't be friends with your male friends. Right? Right.

[Shannon]

But I think it's a little bit different, though, when I've had a different relationship with a woman, because this. The real a relationship you have with a girlfriend is not the same relationship you have true friends.

[Matt Jones]

You would hope.

[Shannon]

One would hope, but you would hope. Yeah. I mean, if it were the other way around, I don't think I would be okay with her still talking to her ex.

[Matt Jones]

See, I am. I'm fine with it. See, it's interesting because I take the view of. I've said this story on the radio before of Hope Cox from my church when I was growing up.

[Shannon]

Great name.

[Matt Jones]

Hope Cox. Yes. He was in his 80s, and his wife was going out of town one time, and my mom was kidding him and said, hope, are you worried that when your wife goes out of town, she might find another man? Right. She was just teasing.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

And Hope Cox goes, she knows the good wood from the brush. And I was a kid when I heard this.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And I was like, if that's good enough for Hope Cox, it's good enough for me. She knows the good wood from the brush. Shannon. She's not worried about a different dude. She's got Shannon the dude.

[Shannon]

Yeah. But sometimes she might want to dabble in the brush a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Well, then let her have the brush. There is more. There's. The brush will set in a wildfire where the good woods you can build a home on.

[Shannon]

That's very wise words from Hope Cox.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly right. So, Hope Cox. So we have a split decision on number one. See, not all relationship advice can be. Can be the same. One guy writes, Matt, I'm 36 years old. I do enjoy dating Women. And there are people that I've been in relationships with that I like. But I think my issue is often I prefer just being alone over having a woman around all the time. I get the sense you two are like that as well. Is that bad? It's a great question. I guess I'll go first. Okay.

[Shannon]

All right.

[Matt Jones]

I. I am generally more happy alone. I think I would have a very hard time in a relationship where the person is just always there. Now that's part of having living together. They are in the same place, which is, which has ultimately always been my trap.

[Shannon]

But if you could have like a far away marriage, I think it would be perfect for you because you could still be in the relationship and not have to deal with them every day.

[Matt Jones]

You're laughing. I actually think a long distance marriage probably would be the best thing for me. Or at least a marriage where a couple days a week we agree to live in different houses.

[Shannon]

Just need to find a like minded woman out there. Just a shame you haven't found her yet.

[Matt Jones]

Yes, that hasn't worked, but I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I know. I agree that, you know, sometimes you want someone around, but sometimes you want to be alone. Shannon, are you like that? You've. You've lived with people, though, and I really haven't done that.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I, I don't, I do not like being alone. But, you know, that's different from person to person based on their, their personality. Some people can be alone and be happy that way and going out and, you know, experiencing life by theirself. I like to experience it with other people. So for me, I hate being single. I hate being alone. I hate being in a. An empty house without, you know, a companion there. So for me.

[Matt Jones]

So is that. Do you think that's like.

[Shannon]

It's a personality thing.

[Matt Jones]

You just need someone next to you?

[Shannon]

Yes, because I need somebody to like when something's funny. I need somebody to laugh.

[Matt Jones]

You need somebody to laugh with. You can't laugh on your own.

[Shannon]

Exactly. I feel weird laughing by myself in the house. Whatever.

[Matt Jones]

That's interesting. So how. What's the longest you've ever lived alone?

[Shannon]

Oh, good question. Good question. Probably about a month or two.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. So you're like Ryan. Ryan's like that too.

[Shannon]

Yeah, like I have to have somebody.

[Matt Jones]

So you're codependent.

[Shannon]

I kind of am, you know.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, well, at least you know that about yourself.

[Shannon]

So we're split again on this.

[Matt Jones]

I have only, since college, lived with a person once. And it Was just for a few months during COVID I lived with my girlfriend that was in New York. And while I liked it, I did find myself needing space. And so. Yeah, I get it. 36 year old. And, and. And I think you probably shouldn't be married unless you do prefer a person's company. I don't think all the time. I think it's impossible unless you're Shannon and Ryan, to want somebody there all the time, but you want them there more time than you want to be alone.

[Shannon]

First of all, you shouldn't get married at all unless you're 100 in. If you're 90 in, don't get married. It's not the right person that.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly.

[Shannon]

I am just somebody who gets lonely easily. So even when I've got somebody in my house, if I need some alone time, I'll go to like, you know, the basement or I'll go out to the garage or just to get away a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

Go sit in the dark.

[Shannon]

Exactly. I can do that. So.

[Matt Jones]

All right, another question. I think this one's fascinating, Matt. I'm in love with this woman. We have been dating for four years. She is a widow. However, she has a pension that only allows her to get the widow's pension if she doesn't get married again for 10 years. We have six years left. We do know we're going to get married, but should we go ahead? She is interested in maybe going ahead and getting married now, but I think the smart thing to do is to wait the six years, live together and then get married. What do you think?

[Shannon]

Depends on the size of the pension, first of all. But if you're happy being together and not being married, I think that's also a thing. That's okay. I don't think you have to be married to be together and be happy.

[Matt Jones]

This makes it sound like, though.

[Shannon]

Sounds like he's after the money.

[Matt Jones]

It's like a business to say. Well, no, it sounds like, well, he wants to wait. Right.

[Shannon]

And get them.

[Matt Jones]

He wants to wait because then she would get the pension for lies, which

[Shannon]

he would then, of course, he would then get as well, beginning the relationship.

[Matt Jones]

So I think on this one, my view is you have to go with the woman.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, she's the one that lost her husband.

[Shannon]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

So if the woman wants to go ahead and get married and you really love her, you just have to go ahead and do it. Right. You can't go. Let's make. All right, honey, let's make this a financial decision. Plus six years, a long Time? Yeah. It's not like it's six months. If she wants to get married now and you're making her wait six years, Shannon, I don't know that that's going to work.

[Shannon]

If she wants to get married now and says forget about the money, that means she truly loves you. He, on the other hand, wanting to wait makes it so much suspect.

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[Shannon]

Yeah, like, he's just. He's in it for the money. Like, h. You got a good pension, huh? Is that something you ask on a first date? How's your pension? What's. What's the size of your pension? So, yeah, it makes it almost sound like he is. Is wanting the money. He's the gold digger in this situation.

[Matt Jones]

Shannon has always looked for the big pension when. When these. What a unique situation, though. But I think since she's the widow and obviously that was probably a traumatic thing, whatever happened, I think you have to go with what. What? What? What she says.

[Shannon]

Agree.

[Matt Jones]

Another one. Matt. My partner is a man who snores like a train. It is so loud that if I don't go to sleep at first, I have a hard time sleeping. We've discussed separate bedrooms, and he does not want to get treatment at this time. Will our relationship survive if I sleep in a different room? Well, again, we are the experts. Yes, I. This sounds like this was, I think, a skit on Seinfeld. I don't know where the act of being in love or the act of, like, sex, why that got intertangled with sleeping. Okay.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Like, I don't understand why the ultimate symbol of being together is sleeping in the same bed. We don't say you have to eat at the same table, drive the same car. Why is it we have to sleep in the same bed? That's become this. This symbol of a relationship. But does it need to be? When I'm in bed, I don't want to. I can't have anything touching me when I try to sleep.

[Shannon]

Really?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. No.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

I can't.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Because if I do, if they move, I wake up. Right. Or if they sweat or it's just like.

[Shannon]

You're making it sound so romantic, sleeping together.

[Matt Jones]

Well, but it's. But think about it. When you're sleeping, it's not romantic. You're. Especially if your husband's a big snorer. Like, it sounds like an elephant.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So I would argue you will love him more if he doesn't keep you awake now. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not. I'm fine. Cuddling. And all those things, but once the time is to sleep, I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world if you were in a different room. What do you think?

[Shannon]

I completely disagree. I think when you're sleeping with somebody, that's where you have, for me, one of the deepest connections in a relationship you can have.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Shannon]

Yes, you're asleep, but before you go to sleep, and then you wake up.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Yeah.

[Shannon]

You know, here's a weird thing. I dated somebody in high school. Her parents slept in different rooms, but her dad slept in the. In the bedroom. Her mom slept in the closet. And what a weird thing.

[Matt Jones]

Now, that is weird.

[Shannon]

They had another bedroom, but they. She slept in the closet.

[Matt Jones]

She slept in the closet?

[Shannon]

Yeah. I thought, what a strange.

[Matt Jones]

Was there a bed in there? Did she just, like, cuddle up on the floor?

[Shannon]

There was bedding and not a bed, but, like, a pillow and, like, you know, a quilt.

[Matt Jones]

Wait a minute. She slept on the floor in the closet?

[Shannon]

I thought, this is the.

[Matt Jones]

That's the weirdest thing.

[Shannon]

And that's why I immediately ended the relationship.

[Matt Jones]

Why didn't the man sleep in the closet? Why was she in the closet?

[Shannon]

I don't know. I mean, you could find a couch, maybe. Why the closet? But I thought that was the strangest thing.

[Matt Jones]

If I were you, I would have broken up with that girl immediately. There is trauma there.

[Shannon]

I pretty much did. But. No, I disagree with you. I think that, you know, I really like sleeping with my girlfriend in bed and being able to. You're not a snuggler. Obviously, you don't.

[Matt Jones]

No, no, I'm a snuggler. I like. I'm with you. I think, like, sitting and watching television or whatever. That's a very intimate, like, good, like, great feeling. But when it's actually time to sleep,

[Shannon]

you're telling me you're okay if she goes to another bedroom when it's time to sleep?

[Matt Jones]

I prefer having, like, a California king.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Insane. You get as far away as possible. Wow. And we sleep in a perfect world. I'm sleeping diagonally on my right side with toes to the center, and you're on the other side. And maybe maybe our toes touch. Maybe.

[Shannon]

Wow. Okay. All right. This is interesting. I don't know if I've ever heard anybody like that, other than that, to

[Matt Jones]

me, is the perfect scenario. But that's assuming someone doesn't snore. If they snore to me, you got to go to a different place. We've stayed in the same room with Ryan. I Could not sleep like that every night.

[Shannon]

Get your husband a sleep apnea machine or a breathe Right strip or something to put on his nose because. Yeah, you got to fix that.

[Matt Jones]

True story. At the SEC tournament, we have a friend who has one of those machines, and it's so loud that he also plays, like, a sound machine with it. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so that it won't disrupt whoever's in the room with them. So there were two of my friends were in the room with this guy. He had the sound machine with his sleep apnea. Yeah, he apparently buys the cut rate plan. It ran ads in the middle of the night? Yes. My friend woke up and was like, what is that? And it was his buddy. Sleep apnea machine running ads, champ.

[Shannon]

Oh, my God. Well, you know what? Not to take this in a different direction, but, I mean, I. I think I might have sleep apnea because I wake up sometimes where I can't breathe. So maybe I need to get one of these. But I'm telling you, if I get a sleep apnea machine, I'm not going to go for the cut rate.

[Matt Jones]

Go ahead. And why would you do that? And who is that made for? Is it made for the other person in the room to hear the ads?

[Shannon]

I guess so. I guess it is liminal advertising in your.

[Matt Jones]

Unbelievable. Yeah, that was one of the crazier things. All right, let's take a break right here for those of you on the radio, and then we'll come back and do more.

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[Shannon]

Why?

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[Matt Jones]

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[Matt Jones]

All right, more questions coming in here on the Matt and Shannon relationship advice. I like this one, Matt. I have been friends with this woman for many years. I like her quite a bit. And I was wondering, how do I get the relationship past the talking stage into something more than friends?

[Shannon]

Wow. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I hate to say this to you, sir. Yeah, it's not gonna happen.

[Shannon]

Yeah, it's too late.

[Matt Jones]

It's too late. You get in a zone, you can maybe start as friends, but if there's not a physical attraction relatively soon after, it's not happening. And that's tough because I've been this guy before, Right. I've been the friend that wanted the relationship when I was younger and thought, I'll just outlast these bad guys that she dates, and then it will work. But it doesn't, because women see you as one or the other. And once you're in that zone, you're not crossing it, in my opinion. And it. The rare times it happens, you can't force it. So my view is, Shannon, if you're in that zone, it's probably not gonna happen. So you need to just kind of

[Shannon]

move forward first thing that comes to mind. And I don't know if you've told this story on this particular podcast or show, but when you lived across from former WWE wrestler Kelly Kelly Kelly.

[Matt Jones]

Have you told Kelly Kelly?

[Shannon]

Because that's a great story.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. So I lived across from Kelly Kelly, this WWE wrestler. She was in training at the time in ovw, and she was the most beautiful person in the world, but we weren't close friends. We were just kind of friends.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

But I don't think at the time, she saw me as that. And I knew that one day when she came in and said, I'm on WWE Monday Night Raw tomorrow night. It's a bikini contest. Can I try them on to see which one you think I should wear?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And that was the moment I realized she saw me as, like. I think she. Maybe she thought I was gay as a threat. She didn't see me as a threat because she then did this bikini show in front of me, but had no. There was no spark. Right.

[Shannon]

So paid to be you in that moment.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that was when. Remember, she was at the height of the. Of her. Of her popularity.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So do you agree, though, it's not gonna happen?

[Shannon]

Well, probably not. And it depends on how long you've been friends. If it's been, you know, several months or even years, then. Then I don't think so. The only way you could possibly even see if there's a possibility. There is. Just rip off the band aid and ask her and tell her how you feel about her. But then you might risk making.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, but then you might be awkward

[Shannon]

from there on out. No, I don't like you.

[Matt Jones]

If she's interested, you would know.

[Shannon]

So you have to decide, is it worth possibly ruining your. Ruining the friendship to see if there's a romantic interest?

[Matt Jones]

Totally agree with you. Next question. Matt, do you and Shannon believe married couples should have joint checking accounts

[Shannon]

I have an opinion on this.

[Matt Jones]

All right, you go first.

[Shannon]

Well, for me, I personally would like to keep my money separate. Now, again, I've never been married before. I don't see why you can't have a separate bank account. You know, it comes out. It's like people that have joint Facebook accounts. Why. Why do you have to have that? So for me personally, you know, it's up to you if you want to have it. It doesn't bother me. But for me personally, I would have to have a separate banking account. I don't like joint bank accounts.

[Matt Jones]

I think it in part depends on what kind of relationship you have. So if they're in a relationship where only one person works, then I think the joint checking account, Shannon, makes some sense because otherwise you're essentially just like giving your wife an allowance.

[Shannon]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Which is kind of odd to me to say, this is your cat and I'm giving you X a month. I mean, I guess people do it, but if both people are working, then I would say the thing to do is to have a joint checking account that is for your, like, bills. Right.

[Shannon]

For.

[Matt Jones]

And then both of you agree to contribute so much to it a month. And that joint checking account is for that. I don't think if you had two salaries where both people. I. I don't think I would want to do it now. I wouldn't, like, go to the mat and fight it, but I don't think I would do it. Again because of independence would be my reasoning.

[Shannon]

If you're going to do that, you got to really trust the other person that they're not going to go out

[Matt Jones]

well, but if you don't trust them, why are you marrying them?

[Shannon]

You know, number one of the number one causes of divorce is over money. So of course.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you know, so I think part of it's the situation. Now, Ryan was saying earlier today when I was showing him a couple of questions, Ryan was saying that he thinks joint checking accounts are more popular now than they used to be. That surprised me because I would have thought joint checking accounts were something that, like back when it was more traditional, that women didn't work, that would have happened more often, but that's what he said. But again, he may be an idiot and just not know. I'm not sure.

[Shannon]

I mean, there's. There's also ways where it makes sense. If you combine two people's salaries, you're going to get more interest on your account. So, I mean, if you're thinking money wise, then maybe it does make sense that way. I just prefer to have mine separate from the other person.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I think the idea of having something though, because I think it's dumb to be like, okay, electricity's due, where's your half?

[Shannon]

Right. Then it turns into like your roommates almost.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. You don't want to do that.

[Shannon]

So I, I've done that before, though.

[Matt Jones]

Have you really? Well, did it work?

[Shannon]

Yeah, yeah, for a while.

[Matt Jones]

But you weren't married though, so you all wouldn't get a joint checking account anyway.

[Shannon]

Exactly.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, yeah. So generally I would say I'm okay with it, but for me personally, I would kind of want. I wouldn't want. Here's what I wouldn't want to do. I wouldn't want to have to. And I don't think you should want your wife to do this either. Justify everything she spends.

[Shannon]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I want to have money that I can spend and it doesn't matter where you. Where to you, where it goes.

[Shannon]

If you're going through and looking at every single thing that this person's buying, then, yeah, that's pro. That's going to cause a long term problem if you're going.

[Matt Jones]

One person says, Matt, we, I got married at 22. We are now 35. I still love my wife. But I think we both sometimes wonder how do you keep the spark in your relationship physically the longer you've been together?

[Shannon]

Another good question. Yeah, these are.

[Matt Jones]

See, our audience has good questions.

[Shannon]

You want to. Yeah, you go ahead.

[Matt Jones]

No, well, I would just say to you, I think that's a fair worry. I think that's probably something that most couples deal with. For me, I haven't been in a relationship with 13 years, but I've been in longer relationships and that is a concern. It happens. And I think you just have to be what, here's what doesn't work. Not talking about it because people start to feel self conscious and people start to wonder, is it me? Even if it's not, I think you have to talk about and you have to try to keep things new. But I don't have a magical answer because I do think, Shannon, that is a. That is probably something that happens in. I bet if people were honest, three fourths of relationships, maybe more. Because, you know, there comes a point where, I mean, if you eat grilled chicken every night, like it's the same grilled chicken, right? But you have to find a way to make spices so it's different grilled chicken.

[Shannon]

I think what makes a relationship spark is the chase. So even if you're still dating that person. I think you still need to, you're, you're married, but you still need to go out on dates. There still needs to be.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, for sure.

[Shannon]

There still needs to be a little bit of mystique. Like I don't, you know, you don't need to tell them them everything. You don't need to show them everything.

[Matt Jones]

Close the door when you use the restroom.

[Shannon]

Thank you. That is it. Absolutely. I think that's number one on the list. Right?

[Matt Jones]

So close the door when you use the restroom.

[Shannon]

Yes. I mean, come on. There needs to be a little bit of separation. There needs, I agree. A little bit of mystique. And I think that if you can still create the illusion of the chase, that's how you can go years and still have a little bit of spark in your relationship.

[Matt Jones]

If I was honest, the thing that's the hardest for me when I'm in relations that I miss are those first couple of months when you meet a new person.

[Shannon]

Yeah, right. How you filled in.

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[Matt Jones]

It's not even about the physical. It's just about the, oh, are they gonna text? You know, are we gonna do something? So you have to find. Because to me, that's the best part of starting to date someone. You gotta find a way to create that. Maybe it's what you said, maybe it's scarcity, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

If there's a food you like and you don't eat it for a few weeks, it makes you really want it and you appreciate it.

[Shannon]

I, I have been in relationships for like long term relationships and there's like little things like I, I will try not to burp or fart in front of my girlfriend. Even if I've been with her for five or six years.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I'm not good.

[Shannon]

It's little things about because then it's just like the other person.

[Matt Jones]

I agree though, that's a fair point.

[Shannon]

She's farting. I'm going like that. That's a turn off. You know, I think there still needs to be some things that you, you hold private.

[Matt Jones]

I completely agree. Now this, this question is kind of serious.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

One person says, matt, if you are dating someone and they get pregnant, what do you do? Well, I mean, that's beyond my pay grade, but I think the number one thing you would do is I think you have to support like the woman, she's the one with the child. So you, you get an opinion, but ultimately you support the woman in that, in my, in my view that you at that point are attached in a way that like you become her supporter. And your opinions, while they may matter, they're kind of, in my opinion, one A. And she is one.

[Shannon]

Yeah, you gotta, you know, like you said supporter financially, emotionally, if you can. And here's the number one thing, be in the kid's life.

[Matt Jones]

Totally agree. No matter what.

[Shannon]

Absolutely. Call the kid. If they're old enough to talk on the phone. What? You know, just be active in the.

[Matt Jones]

Just call them. You might want to see them.

[Shannon]

Well, I'm saying like if it's a long distance thing. Yes, yes, absolutely. You may want to see them if they live nearby. But there's also long distance relationships that are in that situation too where you can't. But yeah, just be active in the kid's life, I would say would be my best advice for that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that would kind of brought the mood a little bit. But you know what, these are the things people deal with. And if we are going to help people's relationships, just like Delilah.

[Shannon]

Yeah, we have to do everything.

[Matt Jones]

Delilah.

[Shannon]

We were.

[Matt Jones]

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[Shannon]

Divorce him immediately. Grounds for divorce. Call your lawyer today.

[Matt Jones]

Here. You don't have to like everything the other person likes. As a matter of fact, going back to our question from a little while ago, part of the thing about a relationship is having mystique and having some. Let KSR be your thing, right? And then he can. It'd be nice if you could share it. But, you know, I'm a sports fan, Shane, and I really haven't been in a serious relationship with someone who likes sports, right? And then that way, sports is my thing and then we can share the other things. So if, if he doesn't like ksr, first of all, he probably sucks. But if he does,

[Shannon]

if you still

[Matt Jones]

find value in him, then that's okay, You. You can. He can have his thing, and as long as it's not bad, he can. He can listen now in color.

[Shannon]

Yeah, there's no. No filter. There's. There's been a lot of relationships that I've been in where, you know, I. I did things that I didn't necessarily like. I mean, I don't like going to see plays necessarily, but I've taken a date or a girlfriend to a play or gone to a movie that I didn't want to see. And it's not about whether or not you like it. You're going because she likes it, and you're showing that you care when you go to see something, especially when she knows you don't like it, but you're doing it for her.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. All right. This is a great one. I think this one's named More at Me, but I. I'm fine. I think you should weigh in.

[Shannon]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

Matt, should you get a prenup? I'm getting engaged and we are going to get married. Should I get a prenup? And how do I bring it up if I do? Okay, the answer to the question is yes, especially if you come into the relationship with anything that is your own. And by anything, I mean anything. Okay, so it, like, people think you have to be rich to get a prenup. That's not true. You might have a situation where you have business interests. I mean, everybody's case is completely different, so it's hard to give. But a prenup is just an agreement as to how, if things fall apart, how you're going to handle it. I am a big advocate of it. I'm a big advocate no matter what. Unless you're very young and you don't. But even then, you might have family interest in a business or something that may have vested. You just never know. Now it's. I'm. I'm sure it is not easy to bring up, but you know what's going to be worse is if you get married and you have kids and you get a divorce and it's messy because you didn't do it. That's going to be worse because the kids will be involved. So I think, yes, you should have a prenup. If you. In my opinion, if I ever get married, I'll have a prenup. That is generous, but you should have that for your own protection. Now, Shannon, do you agree or disagree?

[Shannon]

I kind of agree with you. I hate to make it sound like a business arrangement, but I kind of look at it as marriage insurance. And you have insurance on your car, your house, life insurance. Why wouldn't you have insurance on your marriage? And if you know she's with you and not worried about the money, then I don't know why she would have a problem signing a prenup that way. I think it makes everything in case things go wrong. Now, in the ideal world, we get married, we're together for, you know, 100 years till the day we die. That's. That's the idea. But if things do go wrong, this makes it a lot cleaner. And you get to keep. You don't have to split. What. What's yours. Right. You get to keep.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I think people. People think. Well, this is going to make her think, I don't want to like that. I think it'll break up. No, but you wouldn't get married unless you thought it was going to work.

[Shannon]

Right.

[Matt Jones]

This is in case it doesn't.

[Shannon]

Yep. Things can always change as.

[Matt Jones]

As. As. As Chris Rock. What says about insurance? It's in case of. Blank. That's what it is. It's in case of. And this isn't in case of. And you need to do it. And I would say this is the key fallacy people make is they think, well, I don't make enough to where it should matter. I would argue. And it matters sometimes even more.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Because then you're having less.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. In that case, you know, then there might be even more, like less stuff that. So to me, it is a. It is a definite. You should do one. Now this one comes in. This may be a little sarcastic. Hi, Matt. Hi, Shannon. I'm a close to Ryan, aged male. I've been married 36 years. Our children are grown successful adults. We have beautiful, intelligent grandchildren. We have no mortgage or other significant debt or. And we have funded retirement accounts. My question is, where did I go wrong? You know, good for you, Ryan. Right. Or Shannon. Ryan just walked in here.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Good for you. That's great. It worked for you. Sounds like you don't need our advice. But. But congrats. I bet you, however, underneath that there is some lurking issue that you just are hiding from the world.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Felt very passive aggressive to send that to us almost, you know, but no, it sounds like it sounds like this person figured it out. And there are a few people who have, you know, been in relationships or been married for their entire life. I mean, my grandparents were together for 60 years and that. And, you know, that's the ideal marriage. And for me, if I ever do get married, it's gonna Be one time. I'm one and done. I'm not gonna be one of these people that gets married two or three times. If it ever happens, it's going to be one time and that's it.

[Matt Jones]

I'm kind of like that, too.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

All right, this one. Matt, how do you know when to cut the cord and know that the relationship is over? That's hard. So I'm actually pretty bad at ending relationships because I sometimes, like, don't want to hurt the person's feelings or, you know, there's just, like, I want to still be friends with them or. And I've had that happen the opposite way to me. But at the end of the day, you know, it should end when you all. Both. When your life is not better without the person or, excuse me, with the person than it would be without. Do you agree with that?

[Shannon]

Yeah. Sometimes relationships just kind of fizzle out, and maybe you aren't happy. The other person is. You have to make a decision. Do you want to stay in the relationship to keep the other person happy. And you have to, you know, remember, you deserve to be happy, too. So if both parties involved aren't happy, then I think the relationship needs to end.

[Matt Jones]

And if you are not happy.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Then there's no way she will be happy.

[Shannon]

Good point.

[Matt Jones]

Long term.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

If you. I say this to people all the time. Not just about relationships, about everything. If you are not happy, then you're doing it to make the other person happy. They're gonna know your lack of happiness will ultimately affect their lack of happiness. And so if you're trying to stay into, like, do them a favor, you're not doing them any favors in the long.

[Shannon]

And if you know it's going to end at some point, the longer you drag it out, the worse it makes for them because they're going to be looking to be in a different relationship, and there's no point. And you just gotta rip the band aid off and just do it.

[Matt Jones]

It's. It's like pulling off. It's exactly right. Pulling off a band aid. Do it slower. It hurts more. All right, we're going to take one last break, and when we come back, the question we've got. We've got a kind of hot and heavy question.

[Shannon]

Okay, looking forward to it.

[Matt Jones]

All right, let's hear on Interrupted with Matt Jones.

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[Matt Jones]

All right, last three questions here. Before we finish what is clearly a very successful. I think we fixed a lot of people's lives.

[Shannon]

Oh, yeah, I think we are. We turned lives around this. These 45 minutes.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. Matt, what if you're dating someone and you all have libido differences? The amount of time you would like to have sex with each other varies differently. It doesn't really work right now. My wife wants it much more than I do. What do we do? Shannon? I'll let you go first on this.

[Shannon]

I felt like we sell a lot of advertisements that could fix this problem. Probably starts with a little blue pill. Might want to explore that.

[Matt Jones]

That's what would help.

[Shannon]

Well, I mean, allegedly, that's that. So. It's tough. It really is. If she's wanting it and you're not, I think you gotta go see a doctor. I really do. I mean, your answer is to go to the doctor. Like a cop out answer.

[Matt Jones]

That sounds like a cop out answer to me.

[Shannon]

Yeah, I mean, it's, It's. It's different for people. And when you get older, maybe you're not into that, you don't have that feeling as much, but I think there's ways that you can fix that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, part of the problem, as I understand science, is that men and women sort of age differently in this regard. Right? Yeah, Men, traditionally, their libido goes down as they get older, and women, from what I understand, goes up. Right.

[Shannon]

Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Again, not that I don't know that I've just.

[Shannon]

What I said, not that I would know from experience. Allegedly, though, sounds like you do. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, that is an issue. And I think, again, back to what we were saying earlier, I bet that's an issue with like 75%. I know. I would say for me, if I'm being honest, that has gone down as I've gotten older because I like to watch television now. And you know, Shannon. Right. Like, you have other things, but I think you have to. It's like everything. You have to want to find ways to make it work. And our advice about how to keep a relationship going probably applies here as well. But again, you got to talk about it. It. Because if that's happening and people don't know, it's a good way for the relationship to go to bad places.

[Shannon]

Yeah. You feel how you feel. And if you're not in the mood, then it's. It's hard to just magically become in the mood.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think it's hard for men to go to those doctors? I mean, we've done. We've done ads for them forever, but,

[Shannon]

you know, because your ego gets in the way. I'm fine, but, you know, it's perfectly.

[Matt Jones]

I'm big macho guy. I don't want to admit that. That this. This happened.

[Shannon]

Stereotyp in, you know, but I remember,

[Matt Jones]

like, five years ago. Gotta be careful. How do I tell this story without giving away who it is? I was with a group of people, a group of men that are all very successful and very handsome. Right. And they were older than me by a period of years. And I remember hearing them talking, and I was shocked how free they were about talking about the fact that they have enhancement. Right.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Which is something that I always would have thought was embarrassing to talk about. And they all, I guess, in their friend group had just acknowledged it. And we're talking about it, and I remember thinking, well, they have zero shame about it, and it is making their life better. People shouldn't feel that way, but I think people just. They do, right?

[Shannon]

Yeah. You know, I can understand being embarrassed about it, but it's become so normal now.

[Matt Jones]

Bob Dole did Viagra commercial.

[Shannon]

He did. That's right.

[Matt Jones]

He was the first one. Yeah. The first person I ever knew that acknowledged publicly was Bob Dole, of all people.

[Shannon]

That's right. I didn't even know what that was back then. But, yeah, you know, again, it's a normal thing now. So I think that people are more free with it than they probably were years ago.

[Matt Jones]

But if you care about your wife, I think you got to try. Sure.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Try anything you can. And, you know, she probably doesn't feel wanted either when she wants it and you don't, so.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly. Right.

[Shannon]

Doing her a favor.

[Matt Jones]

One person says, Matt, I'm 22. I've kind of lost interest in the woman I've dated for a year. But I don't want to lose the memories we've had with each other. Well, if you've lost interest after a year, you gotta go.

[Shannon]

Yeah. If it's been that, it's not.

[Matt Jones]

That's not gonna get better.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

As far as the memories, this is where Shannon and I differ. You can have good memories with a person and it just ends, you know?

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

What I mean, the NCAA tournament's going on. Somebody can have a great season and they lose the final game. It doesn't mean they didn't have great memories of the rest of the season. So you can date someone and just because it ends doesn't mean there aren't good memories of the times you were together. Right?

[Shannon]

Yeah. And if you're in the situation to where you can still be friends with her, I mean, you can still have contact with her. It's not like she's dead. Just because.

[Matt Jones]

Unless you're sh. Shannon. Shannon will not have contact with you if you break up.

[Shannon]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the other person you're dating probably has a lot to do with that too. But yeah, you can still have the memories even though it's not working out for you. And after a year, if it's just a year and you're not into the. The person anymore, then you're right. It's not going to get any better.

[Matt Jones]

It's not gonna get better. If after a year and you're 22, you got your whole life.

[Shannon]

That's true. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

You got your whole life ahead of you. There's no reason. This is. Anyone who wastes years 22 through 28 at your prime. That's your prime.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

That's when life. You. You starting about 27 or 28, whatever decision you make, the amount of options you have will go down for various reasons. Whether it's that you live somewhere and it becomes harder to move. You start having children, you start get buying a home, you start having jobs that you like all of a sudden. If there are ever years to just try things, those are the years.

[Shannon]

And if that person is the right person, you could always go back to them.

[Matt Jones]

That's exactly right. Not that we know anybody that's done that. Finally, what would it take? This last question. What would it take for you and Shannon to actually get married? Since neither of you have. I'll let you start.

[Shannon]

It would have to be somebody that I am 100% all in with, somebody that I am comfortable with, somebody I can live with and somebody that I can't see my future without. If I could see myself with that person for the rest of my life, then I know that's the right person.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think that will happen with you?

[Shannon]

Yeah, I think it will.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

So for me, it would have to be like. I would have to be in a point. I've not been in a point in my life where it felt like the right thing to do for a long time. Time, like ever, really. I'm probably closer to that now. But it would have to be a person that I would think for however many years left I want this person to be there sometimes.

[Shannon]

Sometimes, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Five days a week. Not in the same bed when we're sleeping. As long as you get to that.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

But, you know, you also, as you get older, you and I are both older.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

It will become harder and harder to meet people. Right. And there is a sense that you don't want to be, like, lonely when you're older. But you could get married and still be lonely. Right. Because your spouse may die or you might get a late divorce or whatever. So that can't be the driving. The driving feature. But, yeah, I think I. I don't. I think I definitely could get married married. I don't know if I will because I don't know, Shannon, if I'm the easiest person to date in the world.

[Shannon]

No, I couldn't see. No, of course you are. Of course you are. But I can't wait to see what happens. This is like a to be continued episode.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think I will get married?

[Shannon]

Yes, I think one day you will.

[Matt Jones]

I definitely think you will get married.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And, yeah, we'll see. But I think, you know, I was so career obsessed for so long that I have gotten to the point that that's not the driving force for me anymore, which makes it more potentially like it could happen.

[Shannon]

I would just tell everybody, have fun in your 20s. Once you get to your 30s and 40s, then if you want to start settling down, go for it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Then do not. Don't get married at 22.

[Shannon]

No, it's way too young.

[Matt Jones]

I know a lot of people listening did.

[Shannon]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Good for you. But I. I wouldn't. Wouldn't do that. All right. I think we just cured everybody's.

[Shannon]

We just saw the world's problems.

[Matt Jones]

I think that was. That was the first episode of Matt and Shannon's relationship advice by two people who've never been married. Delilah, you're on the clock. And those of you, I hope you enjoyed it. The text machine. 772-774-5254 and you can give us feedback and maybe we'll do this again sometime. Shannon, thank you.

[Shannon]

Hey, had a great time. Thanks for having me.

[Matt Jones]

Me.

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