Episode 35 - It's The News

Summary

Interrupted by Matt Jones – Episode 35: "It's The News"

Podcast Date: April 8, 2026
Host: Matt Jones (with Drew Franklin, Billy, and Mario)
Main Theme:
This episode is a lively, wide-ranging news roundtable as Matt, Drew, and Billy tackle the latest headlines (and some lighter oddities) from global crises and political drama to sports, moon missions, and viral pop culture. True to the show’s tone, the conversation mixes genuine analysis with Kentucky-style humor, personal stories, and the group’s signature digressions.

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Personal Updates: Drew’s Pending Fatherhood

[00:31–03:29]

• Drew Franklin shares he’s imminent to become a father (“a girl!”), sparking a playful brainstorm of baby names—jokingly inspired by the Masters, wrestlers, and pop culture.
  • “Who are the female wrestlers these days? I’m guessing Lita’s not around.” – Drew [03:01]
• They riff on waiting to see the baby before settling fully on the name, and the prospect of a name tied to an event winner.

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[News Segment Starts] – “It’s The News with Matt Jones and Billy”

[03:29]

1. The War with Iran & Trump’s Unhinged Posts

[04:18–24:00]

• Billy reports a tentative Trump-brokered ceasefire with Iran, tied to the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz.

• The group dives into Trump’s inflammatory and apocalyptic social media posts.

  • “The President of the United States…wrote, ‘Sorry, 8 o’clock tonight only on NBC—civilization will end.’ Like, how have we accepted that that’s a normal thing for a human being to write?” – Matt [06:06]
  • Drew and Matt mock the fact that Trump’s threats (“civilization shall end tonight at 8pm”) weren’t even believed by his supporters, reflecting on a culture desensitized to presidential absurdity.

• Parallel to wild plotlines in Homeland and House of Cards, Matt asks why Trump’s lunacy is normalized and not feared.

• Discussion of how the administration allegedly entered the war: According to a recent NYT article, most of Trump’s team opposed escalation, but Netanyahu persuaded Trump to act—Drew wonders if Trump listens only to the “most charming” person in the room.

  • “What’s your goal? And…he really doesn’t know what the goal is. And that’s part of the problem.” – Matt [14:55]
  • Regime change hasn’t happened; the strike outcomes are questioned; and now, the Strait of Hormuz is open but with a toll.

• The hosts express anger at US threats of war crimes (bombing civilian infrastructure), the devolution of American “being the good guys,” and the accelerating unreliability of online news in wartime, including AI fakes.

• Matt on the likely, “Occam’s razor” explanation:

  • “Trump is an idiot. Netanyahu has wanted to get rid of Iran forever. Netanyahu convinced him…No one stood up to him. He did it. He now realizes it’s a mistake and he’s trying to get out of it by still looking strong.” [20:05]

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2. Artemis II – Return to the Moon

[25:06–35:10]

• Artemis II is returning after a historic lunar flyby—first since the 1970s, with future plans for landing and a moon base.
• Drew tells the touching backstory of astronaut Reid Wiseman, whose wife died and who named a lunar crater after her.
  • “Single dad, raised these daughters…Then they got up there and they named a crater on the moon after his wife. That’s…beautiful.” – Matt [26:39]
• The hosts laugh about moon landing deniers/contentious conspiracies.
  • Drew’s acid test: “I don’t believe human beings are capable of keeping that secret. Someone…would have gotten rich off blowing the whole thing up.” [27:56]
• Should we spend on space with Earth’s pressing needs? All agree exploration is “human nature.” Matt: “Because it’s there, and that’s what human beings do. We do it.” [31:51]
• Perspective of astronauts from space—Drew recounts Victor Glover’s moving speech about Earth’s fragility and unity.
  • “Seeing Earth…makes him realize that we’re all one thing and not all the things we bicker over.” – Drew [34:46]
• Book rec: Orbital—captures this sense of awe and perspective.

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3. Trump’s Executive Order on College Sports

[35:47–44:07]

• Trump’s new order seeks to institute “five for five” eligibility (five years to play five seasons) and to limit transfers—“But his order won’t hold up in court.” – Matt [36:22]
• The conversation moves to the history of NCAA amateurism (called out as a US-invented, outdated concept). The hosts firmly support player mobility, criticizing the double standard with coaches' freedom.
  • “We don’t even want to treat them like regular college students…we want to create this world where they are their own thing that have to be fought against.” – Matt [38:13]
• Jay Bilas praised for exposing contradictions in college sports debates.
• The panel rails against hypocrisy: “They’re kids when [coaches/NCAA] want to not pay them, but they’re adults when they get in trouble.” – Matt [41:02]
• Humorous personal stories: Drew’s friend bought a golf cart as a living room chair with his first “real money” (“That’s his money to blow.” [42:16]), underscoring their point that adults should control their own finances.

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4. LeBron James & Memphis Backlash

[44:35–51:12]

• LeBron James drew anger (esp. in Memphis) for calling the city a place he’d rather avoid and dissing its hotels, suggesting the Grizzlies relocate to Nashville. NBA players and social media similarly trashed Memphis accommodations.
  • “He’s required to like Memphis? He’s required? …You don’t have to like a black place, right? Are you required to like everywhere?” – Matt [45:47]
• The hosts defend LeBron’s right to have (even negative) opinions, though they roast his complaints about a “decent” hotel (“Bougie LeBron…,” Matt [47:32]). They compare preferred cities.
• Laughs at Drew and Matt’s less-favorite cities and hotels; discuss the class issues in NBA travel expectations vs. “normal people.”

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5. Kentucky Oaks & Derby – New Post Times Impact

[51:12–54:07]

• Kentucky Oaks moves its post time to 8:40pm; Derby set for nearly 7pm. (Both were earlier in past years.)
• The hosts discuss the downsides for Louisville: local businesses, restaurants, parties, and traffic suffer as Churchill Downs “claims” the entire evening, keeping crowds on-site. Pat’s Steakhouse will close for the weekend in protest of the change.
  • “The Oaks and the Derby are kind of no longer about Louisville. They’re kind of just about this TV show.” – Matt [52:03]
• Hosts predict longer infield drinking (“people can barely walk at 2 o’clock—now till 9!” [52:40]), lament local economic repercussions, and speculate that, if successful, Derby will move fully to primetime.

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6. Kentucky Bourbon Trail Boom

[54:30–57:04]

• Despite national trends, Kentucky’s Bourbon Trail logged record tourism (2.7 million visits, up from prior years), with 80% from out-of-state and major international contingents.
  • “It’s almost becoming like the men Nashville. You know how girls all go to their bachelorette parties in Nashville, it seems like–got the Bourbon Trail thing.” – Matt [54:53]
• Drew notes Lexington as a top bachelor party destination, though paradoxically, the bourbon industry’s sales are down (tariffs, demand); tourism continues to boom.

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7. Masters 2026 – First Without Tiger Woods & Phil Mickelson

[57:04–64:43]

• Tiger out after a DUI; Phil out due to family health matter—first Masters since 1994 to feature neither.
• Drew shares his intense love for the event—ordering special Masters catering kits, collecting hats, and appreciating the “no phone” policy at Augusta.
  • “It’s one of the few things where…if you are able to go, I can’t just go buy a Masters hat anywhere.” – Drew [59:18]
• Matt unpacks Augusta’s exclusivity and elitism (“It is filled with the type of people I like the least in the world…very privileged, very elitist.” [61:13]), while still appreciating the tournament’s history and CBS’ television production.
• The conversation reflects on the culture of golf, Augusta’s barriers and high prices, and personal experiences at the Masters (including Matt’s muddy, shoe-ruining adventure).

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8. Kristi Noem’s Husband & “Bimbofication” Scandal

[68:13–79:23]

• Recent leak: Kristi Noem’s husband, Byron, made news for “bimbofication”—hyper-feminized, cross-dressing photos and paid conversations with women.
  • “You try to describe it, but nothing prepares you for the photo.” – Drew [73:53]
• The group breaks down definitions, difference from “regular” cross-dressing, the economics (“$25/minute to talk dirty” [70:58]), media coverage (esp. by the UK’s Daily Mail), and speculate that Kristi herself might have leaked the story after her firing for strategic sympathy.
• Extended riffing: Whether someone “caught” in such a scandal would need to leave their town/city, with much laughter about appropriate population thresholds for acceptable anonymity.
  • “If those pictures came out of Billy, I’m going to suggest he leaves.” – Matt [76:01]
• The story’s oddity invites both mockery and a degree of empathy, with hopes that Byron can “find a place where he can be himself.” [78:44]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “The President…wrote…‘civilization will end.’ How have we accepted that that’s a normal thing?” — Matt [06:06]
• “I don’t believe human beings are capable of keeping that secret. Someone would have gotten rich off blowing the whole thing up.” — Drew [27:56, on moon landing conspiracies]
• “We talk about the myth of this, like, walking around with books. You can…go to as many schools as you want. But college athletes…we want to create this world where they are their own thing that have to be fought against.” – Matt [38:13]
• “He doesn’t like the hotel. Like, I saw the hotel. It’s fine.” – Matt [47:26, on LeBron’s Memphis comments]
• “The Oaks and the Derby are kind of no longer about Louisville. They’re kind of just about this TV show.” — Matt [52:03]
• “It is filled with the type of people that I like the least in the world…” — Matt [61:13, on Augusta/Masters]
• “You try to describe it, but nothing prepares you for the photo.” – Drew [73:53, on Kristi Noem’s husband]
• “If those pictures came out of Billy, I’m going to suggest he leaves.” — Matt [76:01]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Drew's Baby News [00:31–03:29]
• Iran War & Trump Coverage [04:18–24:00]
• Artemis II/Moon Segment [25:06–35:10]
• College Sports/Transfer Rules [35:47–44:07]
• LeBron/Memphis Controversy [44:35–51:12]
• Kentucky Oaks/Derby Times [51:14–54:07]
• Bourbon Trail Boom [54:30–57:04]
• Masters 2026 Preview [57:04–64:43]
• Kristi Noem’s Husband Scandal [68:13–79:23]

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Final Thoughts

Episode 35 is densely packed with insight, irreverence, and candid group dynamic. The tone is skeptical, personal, and distinctly Kentucky—both handling serious news and inviting comedy from the absurdities of contemporary culture and politics. If you missed it, this summary gives you both the hard headlines and the flavor of the podcast’s signature banter.

Transcript

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[Billy]

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[Matt Jones]

This is Interrupted by Matt Jones on NewsRadio 840 WHAS now, here's Matt Jones, episode 35 of Interrupted by Matt Jones podcast. And it's ready to rock. Here on a Wednesday afternoon in Lexington, Kentucky. We are. We haven't done a new segment in a while, so a lot of you may like not know what's happened in the world. And so Drew, nice to have you here. For people who don't. May is about to have a baby.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Not him specifically, but his, his partner. Are you getting nervous?

[Drew Franklin]

Nervous in the word. No, nerves. Little things like have I done this, have I done that, am I prepared? But it's mostly just excitement. Been counting down and just ready for it to happen. You see me run out of here at any moment. You guys just finished the show. That means I got the phone call

[Matt Jones]

and it's a girl.

[Drew Franklin]

It's going to be girl.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, the name is Olga is on the list.

[Drew Franklin]

You know the true due date is Master Sunday. I've, I've suggested Magnolia Lane.

[Matt Jones]

Azalea.

[Drew Franklin]

Azalea. Oxj, Siwu, Hideki.

[Matt Jones]

I kind of think about going Seaway.

[Drew Franklin]

I really, I really want to say whoever, whoever wins the Masters. Let's just go with that.

[Matt Jones]

So like Ludwig. Ludwig, that's a great girl.

[Drew Franklin]

Or Scotty Roy would be a favorite there.

[Matt Jones]

Bryson. Bryson could be a girl.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

There's going to win. Yeah, I think it should be because there's a lot of names that work. I mean there are, there are female Scotties of course, and that's also, you know, a friend of yours. That would be nice.

[Drew Franklin]

Tiger we've had to eliminate, unfortunately. You know, Magnolia Lane actually fits a little bit. Call her Maggie maybe.

[Matt Jones]

Do you know what you're naming her?

[Drew Franklin]

We think so. We have a few.

[Matt Jones]

But you're like wanting it to pop out. I don't know if pops the word.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, I don't know if that's the.

[Matt Jones]

What. They're wanting it to pop out. And then like you'll decide if it Looks like what it is.

[Drew Franklin]

I would say there's a heavy, heavy betting favorite for name, but I still. Yeah, will be. I still want to look at her and make sure it fits because if

[Matt Jones]

she comes out, it's the final decision though.

[Drew Franklin]

It'll be a group decision. We both like the one we're favoriting, but we just want to make sure because if she doesn't, if it doesn't line up, you know, we might have to go back to the drawing board.

[Matt Jones]

Also, remember, this weekend is WrestleMania, so you could also do it based on who wins that. Yeah. So you can name it Roman. Oh, Roman Reigns.

[Drew Franklin]

Roman Reigns.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's right. Well, you got Cody, Brock. You know, there's.

[Drew Franklin]

Who are the female wrestlers these days? I'm guessing Lita's not around. Sonny, Trish.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. Honestly, I'm not sure. There's a girl named Jade.

[Drew Franklin]

Okay.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. I actually don't know who the. Which is a shame because I, I don't watch it as consistently. I know everyone's mad at Pat McAfee for, for being involved.

[Drew Franklin]

We've eliminated Pat also.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. As a name, but how about McAfee?

[Drew Franklin]

Leaning on it. It's actually. I have family though. The McAfee's.

[Matt Jones]

There you go. Sounds like a perfect. Well, good luck.

[Drew Franklin]

Thank you.

[Matt Jones]

Everyone here at the Interrupted Podcast, which is really me, you and Billy, we're all, we're all, we're all rooting for you. Billy. You, you prepared some news a couple weeks ago and we weren't able to do it. So now really, it's like a month's worth worth of news. Now is this updated or are you doing old news too?

[Billy]

No, this is all pretty much updated in the last, you know, 48 hours.

[Matt Jones]

Excited. So 10 news tidbits. It is, it's. It's the news with Matt Jones and Billy, our sports and Drew Franklin. Go ahead.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I have.

[Matt Jones]

What's the first one?

[Billy]

I have eight this week, so.

[Drew Franklin]

Only eight.

[Matt Jones]

So you don't have, you don't have to.

[Billy]

No.

[Drew Franklin]

But hopefully we'll have to do a random draw. Last two. A lot of people don't, A lot

[Matt Jones]

of people don't realize that there just wasn't as much news.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Slow time in the world here lately.

[Matt Jones]

Not much going on. So he just ran out of news. All right, go for it.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Billy]

So let's start with the war with Iran right now. Donald Trump announced on Tuesday a two week ceasefire with Iran subject to the Strait of Hormuz, opening the Move comes after Trump threatened that a whole civilization will die. Tonight in a post on Truth Social. It's been over a month, about 40 days since Operation Epic Fury began in Iran.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there's a lot of stuff to talk about here, but let's start with something a little lighthearted. Did any of you know that the Strait of Hormuz existed before this?

[Drew Franklin]

Did not.

[Billy]

I did.

[Matt Jones]

No. Come on.

[Billy]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

How did you know that? First of all, I didn't know. You. You did not know. How did you know about the straight

[Billy]

of hormones, Tick tock? Political political videos?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, like, okay, but, but that was, but it was about this. Like you didn't know before there was the possibility of this occurring. You didn't know about the STR three years ago.

[Billy]

I did not know about the str.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you can't just claim that like you learned a few weeks ago.

[Billy]

I did learn a few weeks ago.

[Matt Jones]

That's. I mean, that was when this started. Billy, I didn't mean literally. Did you start. Did you know before you did this newscast? Well, I'm saying, was it part like, I knew Iran existed.

[Billy]

Me too.

[Matt Jones]

But you're also trying to claim you knew the Strait of Hormu.

[Billy]

Yeah, like maybe a couple weeks before the war started. Sorry to hear about this.

[Matt Jones]

Straight. Because they were saying it could be a problem.

[Billy]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

I think your answer should have been no, you didn't know. And that's the scenario.

[Billy]

I did know.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not counting that.

[Drew Franklin]

Mario.

[Matt Jones]

Do we count that? No, we do not count that. Okay.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think I knew of any straights. If I'm being honest.

[Matt Jones]

Bearing.

[Drew Franklin]

Bearing.

[Matt Jones]

George.

[Drew Franklin]

George. Gibraltar. One, I think Gibraltar.

[Matt Jones]

You knew three straight.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm a straight Galva here. No, I know all the streets, Bob.

[Matt Jones]

And Jamestown wonders about that.

[Drew Franklin]

We already hit the over on my knowledge of straight.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, exactly. So, like, this is such a ridiculous and sad situation, it's hard to even know where to start. Um, first of all, I guess you would go, well, I'm glad civilization didn't end last night at 8 o'. Clock. What a ridiculous post for that man to post. This is the President of the United States. And he wrote, Sorry, 8 o' clock tonight only on NBC. The civilization will end. Like, how have we accepted that that's a normal thing for a human being to write?

[Drew Franklin]

Wow, the tone. Listen, I understand sometimes we gotta have war. Things happen. You're supposed to comfort people and you know, try to ease them a little bit in some uneasy times like this. Just saying you're gonna Completely end civilization. That's not comforting for anyone. Whatever side you're on, you don't want to hear of ending civilization at all. Certainly from your president.

[Matt Jones]

Thank you for attention to this matter. Civilization shall end tonight at 8 o', clock, 8pm Eastern. I. I don't know what's stranger, that he said it or number two, that he's so full of it that most of us were like, yeah, but that's not gonna happen. Like, most of us didn't believe him. Like the President. I want you to imagine if it was 1995 and Bill Clinton said, Civilization may end tonight at 8 o'. Clock. There may have been people that, like,

[Drew Franklin]

jumped off cliffs, that you're leaving work and running home to your families and

[Matt Jones]

hugging them and like, what? But Donald Trump says it. And like, literally, people are like, well, you know, but the Reds play because

[Drew Franklin]

we just have this image of him laying in bed.

[Matt Jones]

Because we all have accepted that our president is nonsense. Even his supporters don't believe what he says. I mean, I think it's odd how we've all, like, just internalized. We don't believe anything he says, no matter what he says. Don't you find that strange?

[Billy]

It is. It's constant, though. Like, he just one ups himself every day with something that he says.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly.

[Billy]

It's hard to keep track of it.

[Matt Jones]

It's like the show Homeland.

[Drew Franklin]

Great show.

[Matt Jones]

First season was great. Now, I'm not going to argue Trump's first presidency was great to me, but some people thought it was. I didn't. But the first season of Homeland, excellent show.

[Drew Franklin]

We had Sunday night parties. We even had a cake with Saul Goodman.

[Matt Jones]

How good was the first season?

[Drew Franklin]

Amazing.

[Matt Jones]

No, not Saul Goodman.

[Drew Franklin]

Saul Barringer. Excuse me.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Season two. You're starting to wonder what they're going. But still entertaining by the end. Unwatchable. So ludicrous in premise and so ludicrous in execution that you just had to say, what. What has happened?

[Drew Franklin]

Season one felt very realistic. Like something that could happen.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. And then slowly it was like they kept trying to up the ante and then it just became ludicrous. Same thing with House of Cards. House of Cards, good era was a little longer. It was probably into season three, but then it just kept having. And it just became like, what are you talking about? Donald Trump? Is that in real life? Right. He wrote on Easter morning something like, sorry, we're going to have to blow a rant off the map. Praise be to Allah, it's Easter morning.

[Billy]

Curse words in that with the F word.

[Drew Franklin]

Open the bleeping straight that Billy knew

[Matt Jones]

about, who is also Muslim, wrote something like, everyone celebrate the and Donald. Can you imagine if Barack Obama had wrote, had written praise be to Allah on Easter now? Can you imagine what that reaction would have been?

[Drew Franklin]

It would have been madness.

[Matt Jones]

But people just ignore it. They're just like, this man's a lunatic.

[Drew Franklin]

What do you call it? Power plant day and Bridge day. I think he also said.

[Matt Jones]

And what I think's funny, Billy, is that the biggest lunatics in MAGA have now all turned on him. The craziest people in mag, at least in my mind, have now all flipped on him. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Candace Owens. I don't think Tucker's crazy, but he's pretty out there.

[Drew Franklin]

He's definitely flipped on him.

[Matt Jones]

They've all flipped on him. And so the only people left are people that on the surface are rational, but yet somehow we'll try to defend this insanity.

[Billy]

Well, they know how their bread's buttered, right?

[Drew Franklin]

They.

[Matt Jones]

But that makes them line up with

[Billy]

Trump just to get elected.

[Matt Jones]

Even more pathetic.

[Billy]

I agree.

[Drew Franklin]

The post on Easter, whatever you think of what's going on beyond the post, no one should think that's okay for the President to tweet on Easter Sunday.

[Matt Jones]

So my mom called me, or I called my mom on Easter and It was like 2 o' clock and we got like 25 minutes in the conversation and she hadn't said that. And I know how my mom feels about Trump. And I thought to myself, you've gone 25 minutes and you haven't said you're revolted by this. I bet she hasn't seen it. And I was like, mom, I want you to get through Easter, which is my mom's favorite holiday.

[Drew Franklin]

Of course your parents looked amazing in the picture you posted.

[Matt Jones]

How good did Larry look?

[Drew Franklin]

I even asked you. I was like, larry got a tailor looking. Nice little suit there.

[Matt Jones]

That looks so good. And they were standing in front of that was the cross where they took their picture on their wedding day. 41 years ago was my parents 41st wedding anniversary.

[Drew Franklin]

Anniversary.

[Matt Jones]

I didn't do anything but congrats to them. So anyway, I said, get through Easter. And then look at this post. She didn't do it. And then she spent the rest of the night angry about it. I should have just not told her about it.

[Drew Franklin]

Literally just lived that life, that day of innocent.

[Matt Jones]

And then she could have seen it the next day. He's just, he's insane. And then this war is. I mean, I'm glad civilization didn't End. But it too is a desire. It's. It's too is a disaster. Have you. The New York Times has a story which I encourage everyone to read. You get one free story a month. I think I already used mine. Yeah, for the Kentucky basketball. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

But I think I read that on March 29th, so maybe I'm good. It's April 8th now.

[Matt Jones]

You should read it. I think it came out Sunday and it was basically how the administration decided to go to war. And if you read it, it essentially said that everyone in the administration told him, let's not do this, but Netanyahu said, let's do it, and he decided to do it. Now, when I read it, I don't think they put that out unless they feel pretty confident about it. But when I read it, Billy, it said to me, all these people in the administration are trying to cover their ass to be like, I tried to tell him. That's how I read it. Because it's like, quote quotes, JD Vance, Marco Rubio, all these people in the administration, except Hegseth. Hegseth was the only one that was like, go get him.

[Drew Franklin]

He seems to like some more.

[Matt Jones]

It seems like it. And then everybody else was like, I really don't think it's a very good idea. And I read that as they all leaked this so that they can later go, I tried to stop it.

[Billy]

Do you think that's what they really said or you think they flipped since public perception?

[Matt Jones]

You know, I don't like J.D. vance, but he has been pretty consistent anti wars in the Middle East. So, yes, I do think he probably said that. I think Marco Rubio is a smart guy. I think he probably said that. Yes. They say the generals, a lot of people refused to give an opinion and were like, you can decide, here are some risks, but it's your choice. And then the generals were like, we don't give opinions. If you want us to do it, we can make it work. That was basically.

[Billy]

So we were pushed into this war by Israel, is what people might say.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. I mean, if you read the article, it seems to suggest Trump, whoever he thinks is the smartest or the most charming, he bases his opinion on them. And I don't know Netanyahu, but he's apparently an amazing speaker who can put on an amazing, like, I don't know what you call it, presentation. And that. That's why I decided to do it. That's what the article seems to suggest.

[Drew Franklin]

So I guess unless someone can charm him with some charisma, he's really not Listening to anyone around him.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, there's a lot of people that have worked for him over the years that say just whoever's seen him last is what he thinks.

[Drew Franklin]

What a great way that's good for

[Billy]

all of us to run a country.

[Matt Jones]

So, yeah, I mean, and part of the article says that the people in the room keep saying to him, well, what's your goal? And that like he really doesn't know what the goal is. And that's part of the problem. All right, so let's say your goal was to get rid of the ability to make nuclear weapons, which I think by the way is a reasonable goal. They haven't done that still there. They blew up the attempts at making them. But the uranium, which is the worry because Iran has uranium still there and it seems to be the case we're not gonna be able to get that without taking over the country. So we failed at that. Second thing, keep them from having ballistic missiles. They still have like 60% of their ballistic missiles. Regime change. Well, the 86 year old leader with cancer we killed, but everybody else is still in power, right? So if you're trying to create regime change in America and you KILL Trump and J.D. vance is still the President, Right.

[Drew Franklin]

What difference is face just change, name

[Matt Jones]

change, face just changes to a younger version. Right. And then last they decided to use the straight of Hormuz, which Billy knew about years, very aware of. They decide that used to be free for people to go across and then Iran closed it. So it used to be free, then it was closed, now it's reopened, but they're charging a toll. So that didn't.

[Billy]

So what's changed?

[Matt Jones]

That actually actively got worse. So what changed? I don't know. 10,000 Iranians died and we lost 13 service members and an 86 year old man died with cancer. The leader, who by the way was awful, but so, I don't know, it

[Billy]

felt a lot more real to me just over the last couple days with the people in Iran around the power plants and bridges. And for Trump to say that they're going to bomb civilian infrastructure, like which

[Matt Jones]

is a war crime, by the way, that's a war crime. That's another thing. Like he just got up and said the leader of America we're supposed to be. One thing I would say is I don't care if you like Trump or not. Democrats, Republicans, I feel like we all would agree. We're supposed to be the good guys, right? Don't we all think America should be the good guys?

[Drew Franklin]

Yes, we're Leading by example.

[Matt Jones]

We are the good guys. Even if we do bad things, it's in theory at the goal of greater good. Everybody would agree with that. Our president got online and said we're going to commit war crimes. I just, I can't believe it's. I mean it doesn't seem like it's acceptable to most people, but it's still acceptable to too many people. And we got another two and a half years of this guy.

[Drew Franklin]

It's also weird times with social media the way it is A. I mean we just talked about what he's posting. I mean you can't imagine a present history just firing stuff like. Like that out for all to see.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

But also just trying to keep up with it. There's just so much out there and you end up finding not even real. Like see a video of a bomb going off. Then you go to the comments.

[Matt Jones]

It's like this is a. Well, they had that picture of the guy who was rescued and it turned out it was AI did you see that? Of all the soldier and it. And like Congress people fell for it and it was just fake and that's

[Drew Franklin]

just all throwing more fire on the situation that's making it worse because it's. I mean it's bad enough as it is. We don't need fake things piling it on and then messages like that coming out from our president. So I don't. I know we've had social media a while, but it feels like this is the worst it's been in a wartime

[Matt Jones]

well and we have Elon who just won't. He is acknowledged. We will not stop anyone from posting anything which is also bad one I guess positive thing, the rescue of that guy. If you read the story about that maybe you can get a second New York Times story because there's one about. It's pretty impressive what they did. He basically fighter pilot was shot down. He ended up for like having for 36 hours to walk walked up a mountain. Wow. Was hidden by some locals who I guess don't like the regime. And then they brought over a hundred American people in together. I mean I'd say it was a pretty amazing mission to go get that person.

[Billy]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Matt Jones]

So it's sad man. And I don't know how it's going to end. I mean I saw and again Trump. This is the kind of stuff that would be crazy in the past. He wrote this morning, well Iran and we may get in a partnership with Iran where we both charge tolls on the Strait of for an escort we both charge toll. So now we're going to like, become imperialist, get into a partnership to toll people, which will just make oil prices go higher.

[Billy]

Yeah, gas is going to hit $5 here in a couple of days.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. And the tolls and Iran's like, as part of the Iran so called, what is it, cease fire agreement, they're saying we will charge tolls. And Trump first said he agreed to it. Now today he's kind of backing off, going, well, we have our own plan, so who knows if we even have a ceasefire.

[Drew Franklin]

It all goes to like, what's the end goal here? Like, it's peaceful for a day or two here, I think the most.

[Matt Jones]

So what is Occam's razor? The simplest explanation is usually the right one. Here's what I think. And again, I don't know this, but simplest explanation. Trump is an idiot. Netanyahu has wanted to get rid of Iran for ever. Netanyahu convinced him no one in the administration had enough backbone to stand up to him because they just all are scared of him. No one stood up to him. He did it. He now realizes it's a mistake and he's trying to get out of it by still looking

[Drew Franklin]

strong.

[Matt Jones]

Strong. And Iranian people, especially the Islamic leaders, are willing to die. And it's hard when you're with people who are willing to die to come out of it with your face held up. That's. That's my explanation. What do you do you all disagree? No.

[Drew Franklin]

And we are dealing with people just have different principles, like the willingness to die. We're all terrified of something that could happen over here that doesn't exist.

[Matt Jones]

They believe they will be awarded in heaven, rewarded in heaven, if they die for the cause. Like, it's hard to negotiate with.

[Billy]

Yeah. And when you're bombing another country and you don't know why is is. I mean, frustrating is not a good enough word.

[Matt Jones]

Well, Israel knew why they want to get rid of Iran.

[Drew Franklin]

Right.

[Billy]

But we American people, well, the why

[Matt Jones]

was Netanyahu convinced him.

[Billy]

Well, that just doesn't seem right, Matt.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. I don't know. Netanyahu, he doesn't seem like a fun dude to be around. And he doesn't seem like the greatest character in the world, which is a shame because I actually think Israel is a country and Israeli people are good, but they have, they have an insane guy, but an insane smart guy, and that might be worse.

[Billy]

Yeah, well, regime change was important. Right.

[Matt Jones]

But we didn't do that.

[Billy]

We haven't seen the new.

[Matt Jones]

The same regime is in charge. It's just not the 86 year old man. It's his son. Although apparently he's like incapacitated, so we really don't know who's running it.

[Billy]

So really nothing has changed.

[Matt Jones]

I would argue nothing's changed, except oil's gotten more expensive and a lot of people have died. Yeah, but, you know, which is a huge deal. Yeah, I mean, we skip over that because it's not our people. It's a lot of people, you know, of course. And then they shot weapons. So where those people, like, they shot weapons to, like, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. That people died there.

[Billy]

Yeah. Those are our allies.

[Matt Jones]

Those are our allies. So anyway, on that positive news, I'm glad we had you, though, to know what the straight moves was.

[Billy]

Well, if you want to try to.

[Drew Franklin]

You try to lie to us. I thought you had. I thought you vacationed there as a kid. I thought you knew all about it.

[Billy]

We go back, check the tape. The first time we talk about this war. I did bring up the straight, so, I mean, I was. Obviously, you did.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, if you say so, I believe you. But I don't think you knew before Iran was an issue.

[Billy]

No, no.

[Matt Jones]

Like, if we had done trivia last year and I said, name some straights, I don't think you would have answered straight of hormones.

[Billy]

Maybe George straight would have came up before Hormuz.

[Matt Jones]

Trying to think, is there another one? We mentioned three big ones.

[Drew Franklin]

That's more than I thought I could have gotten.

[Matt Jones]

Is there? Is there?

[Drew Franklin]

I pulled Gibraltar out of nowhere.

[Matt Jones]

What is a straight?

[Billy]

It's not a curve,

[Matt Jones]

but. No, I mean, like, what is it? I know it's like a narrow pathway of water, but what defines a straight versus something else?

[Drew Franklin]

That's a good question.

[Matt Jones]

Feels like it's one of the three words. Don't know what hormuz means either. So really of is the only word I'm certain of.

[Billy]

It's a narrow passage of water connecting two seas or two other large areas of water.

[Drew Franklin]

That's pretty much what he said.

[Matt Jones]

There you go. See?

[Drew Franklin]

So.

[Matt Jones]

But what's the difference between a straight and a canal? Is canal man made and straight is natural.

[Billy]

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that's the case.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, we're learning.

[Drew Franklin]

This is the news.

[Matt Jones]

This is the news.

[Drew Franklin]

Breaking news.

[Matt Jones]

Mario, as we've been talking about this, you've been following this like you think it's an interesting conversation. No, I'm serious. I can tell when Mario's not listening.

[Drew Franklin]

It's locked in.

[Matt Jones]

He was listening to this One, a

[Billy]

canal is an artificial waterway constructed by humans for navigation, irrigation.

[Matt Jones]

And straight is. Is natural. Natural.

[Drew Franklin]

What about a channel?

[Billy]

Don't throw that in there, Drew.

[Drew Franklin]

Just saying these all seem similar.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I don't know what a channel is. What's a chance? Because you have the English Channel.

[Billy]

It's. It's AI and right now it's. They're all types of waterways. And a channel is generally a wider waterway that can be either natural or man made.

[Drew Franklin]

Straight can. Or a channel can be. It's a wide. Wider street.

[Billy]

Wider.

[Matt Jones]

So there's like a straight channel divide. Okay. See, this is all the things we've learned. All right, what's next?

[Billy]

Well, we're learning more as humans go back to the moon. Matt, Artemis 2 is on their way home after traveling over 50,000 miles. Yep.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Billy]

They've already passed the moon's gravity. They've circled around. They're expecting to land on April 10th in the Pacific Ocean near San Diego. It's the first lunar flyby in 50 years. And the expectation is they'll go back to the moon to land on it in 2028 and that they might be a permanent moon base by 2032.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I've enjoyed all that. The pictures are amazing, right?

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Dark. They went to the dark side of the moon, which apparently we had done a couple times before. People said that was the first time. It wasn't. Apparently they did that in the last few lunar flights.

[Billy]

Pink Floyd did it too.

[Matt Jones]

That's. It was like a song. Right?

[Billy]

Album.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I've enjoyed it. I enjoyed the pictures. I think it's. It's a good. Like when we have so much negativity in humanity. It's kind of cool, Drew, to have some positivity in humanity and see all that.

[Drew Franklin]

Right. Of course. The story of the astronaut Reed Wiseman, where his wife died and he's just kind of left his two daughters here. They kind of helped send him off. And then they got up there and they named the. I guess it was a crater. They named the crater on the moon after his wife. But, I mean, that's sweet. Single dad raised these daughters and, you know, you think maybe, you know, being the one parent don't go the farthest anyone's gone, but they help send him off.

[Matt Jones]

Are you suggesting he shouldn't have gone?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, I'm just saying very critical of her risk. You know, that's a big risk. And then it was a big part of the send off. And then he named a crater after his wife. So I thought that's actually beautiful. Pretty sweet story.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that is beautiful.

[Drew Franklin]

They got it like officially. It wasn't just he pointed at it, named it that. They're like going to officially name it after her.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Well this is also brought out the moon walk deniers. Screw those people.

[Drew Franklin]

Everywhere. Everywhere last week.

[Matt Jones]

You don't believe that, right? No. Okay. I'm just making sure. You, you seem like the guy in the conspiracy theory. I think you believe it. But you amongst the three of us are the most conspiracy theory driven.

[Drew Franklin]

I love reading conspiracy theories and getting into them, but I don't like believe them. I just like seeing what, what you know, what people actually believe that I think it's crazy.

[Matt Jones]

The best case for we didn't walk on the moon is well then why did they stop in the 70s or the sort of like the best technology. We didn't have microwaves back then, but we went to the moon. I get all that. But here's the thing. Talk to a smart person and they have answers for that stuff. Right? Like people love to be the dumb guy that goes are you telling my witty name? I am mockery. We went to the moon. But people will explain to you that there's a difference between the government can put huge amounts of money into a one time project and having it in your home in a little small box. Those are different types of technology.

[Drew Franklin]

And the thing for me that makes me not believe stuff like that is I don't believe human beings are capable of keeping that secret. Someone involved would have gotten rich off blowing the whole thing up at some point.

[Matt Jones]

I mean we already have a moment by moment report of the situation room during the time to go to a. You're telling me that we could have gone to faked a moon landing and no one would have even hinted it?

[Drew Franklin]

Somebody involved would have taken that opportunity to blow it all up?

[Matt Jones]

Heck yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

That secret would not have been kept as long as it's been kept.

[Matt Jones]

How many people would have had to be involved?

[Billy]

Right?

[Matt Jones]

The TV networks, all the people that worked at NASA. The astronauts, their father, families, the people that plugged in the cords.

[Drew Franklin]

See that's who I think be the first to tell. Like they're just a cord plugger.

[Matt Jones]

You're telling me all all these people and no one would have said a word. But you know Frankie on TikTok, I got it. So I'm going to assume we. We.

[Billy]

That's a great point, Drew. I don't. I didn't think of it like that.

[Drew Franklin]

I think that about most conspiracy. Like someone would. Would Share the secret.

[Matt Jones]

Every conspiracy theory, to some extent. Like, really? And it's like with aliens, every person who says that there have been green people. They're all insane. Show me one normal person who gets up and is like, yep, met an alien. It probe me. Like, if my mom were to say that she met an alien, I'd at least give it the possibility. But it's always somebody whose hair looks like Christopher Lloyd in Back to the

[Drew Franklin]

Future because they got probed.

[Matt Jones]

And they act like all aliens want to do is stick stuff up your butt. That's all they think that aliens are here for. If I were to go to a foreign world, the last thing I'm gonna do is put stuff up people's butts.

[Billy]

Well, that's your ambitions and goals. They may have different ones, but there is a congressman that just came out and said aliens are real.

[Matt Jones]

Who?

[Billy]

Tim Burt.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, another crazy person. Like, if you were to list for me, if I were to say to you, who are the six or seven craziest Congress. He's not number one, but he's in the top five or six.

[Billy]

He says, the country would come unglued. You'd be up at night if you knew.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. But he just said it, so why am I not already up at night? First of all, he does it. If it was true. He doesn't keep secrets. He said it right. I tell you what would make me up at nights, probably knowing what Tim Burchett's doing. He's like the. Of course, he's also the congressman for Knoxville.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Part of it is just a Tennessee thing.

[Matt Jones]

Part of it is he's. He's a Tennessee fan.

[Drew Franklin]

While you were out last week on the KSR morning show, I mistakenly brought up how the Artemis Missions bathroom was broken. Your boy Ron was had. I had to reel him in a little bit.

[Matt Jones]

I got messages while I was on vacation. They were like, if Ryan says one more word about bathroom functions, he just kept screaming.

[Drew Franklin]

I think he didn't have anything else to say, so he'd say it louder. He just kept going, they pee in their suits. And I was like, all right, let's get back to sports. But I did think that the bathroom breaking as soon as they left was an interesting topic. I just probably wouldn't bring it up to the right person.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, that's the wrong guy to bring that up. No, but it is a very cool thing. Do you. What do you think about, like, the bigger policy argument of should we do these kinds of things? Like, it costs a lot of money. And in a world where, you know, people are homeless and don't have housing and, you know, all these things, health care. Do you think we should do things like try to go to the moon or Mars or etc.

[Billy]

I do. I mean, I think it's just human nature.

[Drew Franklin]

It's.

[Billy]

It's natural to question what's out there or what's next. Some people seem to think Mars is what's next as we destroy this planet. I don't know. I mean, I'm not going to see that in my lifetime. But I do think exploration is interesting and worth it.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. I actually think that's a great answer. I think that's. That's why I think we should do it. I think it's. There's a line in the west wing maybe where they Talk, debate this 30 years ago, and they go, why do we do it? And I think Martin Sheen goes, because it's there, right? Yeah. Like, you do it because it's there, and that's what human beings do. We do it. So I agree with you. I actually do think it's worthwhile.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, there was probably a time where they were like, hey, we don't need to go to St. Louis. What's out west? We got broken axles right here at home. My oxygen person's dead. Why are you going.

[Matt Jones]

Why are you going west, St. Louis? Yeah, exactly. Where are you going?

[Drew Franklin]

We got problems right here at home in our colony. But, you know, that's the nature of humans. Go.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, the whole sex. I agree. Like, we should try to understand our universe because it's, like, beyond our comprehension.

[Drew Franklin]

And there's the race. We don't want China or someone else to get there first. And if it is, they are able

[Matt Jones]

to wonder if, like. I also think that the best chance for peace on Earth is to one day realize that we're kind of all in it together in a grander scheme.

[Drew Franklin]

Did you see that astronaut?

[Matt Jones]

The best thing that would bring the world together is if another planet tried to invade us. We'd be like, all right, let's stop worrying about all this stuff. We're about to go away.

[Drew Franklin]

Well, the guy that's on the shuttle right now, it's the other. His name's escaping me. Did you see the speech he gave? He was like, I'm not really prepared. But then he said, from this view, like, seeing Earth is one thing. Like, the things we fight over and the problems we have. He's like, it took me getting all the way up here and seeing it all as one planet. He's like, the things we fight about are crazy when we should be one unit. Now he did a lot better saying it. A lot more.

[Matt Jones]

Ellie, did he really say I wasn't prepared?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, he said I don't have a.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I feel like he should have been prepared.

[Drew Franklin]

I think they put him on the spot. Maybe it was like an Instagram live or something, but he cooked. You got to watch it. He's talking about just from the view and being the farthest anyone's ever been. Like, the view of Earth makes him realize that we're all one thing and not all the things we bicker over.

[Matt Jones]

That sounds beautiful. I'm going to just quibble with him and go, dude, we all know one small step for man. 1. Like, you could have had a.

[Billy]

This is a moment.

[Matt Jones]

You could have had a sentence prepared. But there's a book that I will recommend to people that I read last year. It's very short. It's like 150 pages. It's fiction, but it's called Orbital, and it's about a woman who goes to space. And then sort of what you're saying, Drew, is the theme of the book, essentially, that when she gets there and looks back, it's like, what perspective. And it's. It's a beautifully written book. It's called Orbital High. I can't. I don't remember the author, but I highly recommend it. And I. Yeah, that's what it would. Would be like. You. I mean, just. You really want to screw your mind up. Just think about the universe. Think about how little of it we even know what it is, you know?

[Drew Franklin]

His name is Victor Glover. He pretty much said what you're saying there, too. He was like, I'm up here. It's emptiness. There's nothing but darkness. But there's this one little oasis, and we're all lucky enough to be on that little oasis and, like, the little trivial things we deal with at the

[Matt Jones]

best time you could have ever been on it.

[Drew Franklin]

So watch his speech, which he probably had prepared, but he said he didn't.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Yeah. So it's like the Oscars where they get up and go, I didn't think I was gonna win.

[Drew Franklin]

And he pulls out a note card. No, but it is. It's very, very moving.

[Matt Jones]

All right, well, what's next?

[Billy]

Let's go back to President.

[Matt Jones]

Is it Artemis?

[Billy]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Because there was a part. I had a relative once whose name was Artemis, spelled the same way.

[Drew Franklin]

I've been saying Artemis, but I'll admit I Could be proven wrong.

[Matt Jones]

Tennessee thing to say. Artemis, little accent and Orion.

[Drew Franklin]

Orion. Orion is the actual ship. Orion.

[Matt Jones]

Orion.

[Drew Franklin]

Artemis is the mission. Orion the ship.

[Matt Jones]

I think they should.

[Billy]

I did enjoy the launch. I thought that was awesome. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Beautiful. Yeah, right.

[Drew Franklin]

My sister was flying out of Florida when it happened and she got to see it from the, from an airplane.

[Matt Jones]

That's really cool.

[Drew Franklin]

Pretty well.

[Matt Jones]

All right, what's up?

[Billy]

Back to Donald Trump. He's saving college sports. Matt. He issued an executive order last week which had a couple highlights. One that includes implementing a five for five eligibility model in which athletes have five years to play five seasons. And then also moving back to the old NCAA rules that limited players to a single transfer without penalty. As an underclassman, if a player were to obtain a four year degree, they'd be granted an additional transfer. But in a crazy world college sports landscape, Donald Trump looking to create some order that would take effect August 1st if this were to go through.

[Matt Jones]

Well, that won't, his order won't hold up in court. So I think, you know, I will give him the best motives possible on this and not just be cynical for once. I think the goal here was to create a framework that he has a big enough platform to say let's start with this, but the order itself will have no effect. The NCAA has now brought up the possibility of the five for five thing, which I actually think is probably a pretty good idea. I don't like the transfer rule. Like, I don't like limiting it because we don't do that to any other profession. I mean, there's no other world that we go. You can only work for two places in five years. I mean, we just have to, we have to stop the myth that college athletes, why should they be treated differently than every other worker or entity in the America? Give me a reason why they're amateurs. That's a made up term that was made up just to justify not doing this. Amateurism doesn't even exist in the rest of the world. Like America is the only country that even came up with that idea. The Olympics had pros in every other country for we were the only ones that refused to play pros. So this idea of amateurism is completely created in America to justify not playing paying kids. So let. So put that one away. Give me another reason.

[Billy]

That was my reason so that there is no reason.

[Matt Jones]

There's no reason we don't do it in any other form of life.

[Drew Franklin]

And some people, the dream of carrying your books around with your letter jacket for Four years that died decades ago.

[Matt Jones]

How many colleges did you go to?

[Drew Franklin]

Two.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. Had you wanted to go to a third one, could you?

[Drew Franklin]

I mean. Yeah, anyone could.

[Matt Jones]

So now I know people that have

[Drew Franklin]

gone to three and three years.

[Matt Jones]

So not only do we not want to treat college athletes. Athletes like regular employees, we don't even want to treat them like regular college students. We talk about the myth of this, like walking around with books. You can walk around with books and go to as many schools as you want. Right. But college athletes. So we want to not treat them like people who make money, but then also not treat them like college students. We want to create this world where they are their own thing that have to be fought against. And I'm just against that.

[Drew Franklin]

It's a world where they make billions of dollars, Billion dollar TV deals.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. The only justification I have for any rules I've decided is we'd like these games to be competitive. Because that's why, for instance, baseball has a salary cap or you know, excuse me, basketball, football have salary caps. So I think you have rules that like let the players make money, live free lives, but also encourage competitive sports. And that's what I hope they end up doing.

[Billy]

Well, it sounds like these institutions were just trying to cling on to power with amateurism.

[Matt Jones]

And you figured it out. Yeah, yeah. I mean, because notice in none of Donald Trump's provisions or any of the bills have they said that coaches can only work for two schools and five.

[Billy]

Nick Saban wasn't going to advise that. And the panel. And he went, went to the White

[Matt Jones]

House because Nick Saban. And then we'll go. It's a free market. I'm getting. Well, but, but not. But not for those players. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

I mean, look, right now they don't

[Matt Jones]

get to have a free market.

[Drew Franklin]

What did will Wade do? LSU, McNeese, NC State, LSU in a five year period. But a player can only.

[Matt Jones]

What about assistant coaches? There's assistant coaches that coach somewhere different every single year.

[Drew Franklin]

But players, no, can't have that.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, you know, there's no logical argument beyond. I don't like it. Jay Billis or did you see Jay Billis with Seth Greenberg and Cal?

[Drew Franklin]

I didn't watch it live after hearing so much, I went back and watched it.

[Matt Jones]

Jay Billis is great because they keep going. This is cows. Like, this is out of control. And Seth Greenberg's like, there, there it is. What was his word? Unsustainable. And J. Billis was like, how is it unsustainable? We have the Highest ratings of all time. We're about to sell out a 75,000 seat final four. And more good teams are good now than ever before. So what's so unsustainable?

[Drew Franklin]

I was pretty surprised by how much Billish was pushing because usually those talk shows, you know, just flip.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think he likes Seth Greenberg. I just get the.

[Drew Franklin]

Even pushed back. They said kids. He's like, don't call them kids, they're adults. Like, he just kept. Anytime someone said something, he would chime.

[Matt Jones]

Well, no, here's the thing. These guys, they're kids when they want to not pay them, but they're adults when they get in trouble and get criticized. So they're yelling at them or kicking them off the team for drugs because they're adults. But when they want to justify whether or not they're kids, you got to look out for them. And by the way, the way we look out for them is by not giving them money because they're kids and

[Drew Franklin]

don't know how to use it to handle money.

[Matt Jones]

Well, you know what? I bet they'd like to have the, the ability to blow it their money.

[Drew Franklin]

Let them do what they want.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, educate them on the

[Drew Franklin]

taxes and they're taxed out.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, I'm sure Mark Zuckerberg blew a lot of money, but I think he liked having the ability to blow it. And he also did positive things with it.

[Drew Franklin]

One of my good friends, when we were like 19, he was the first of everybody to get a house. He didn't go to college. He put a golf cart in his living room for when we played Wii. We could just go sit down on the golf cart. That's called blowing your money. But you know what? That was his money to blow.

[Matt Jones]

Wait a minute, he did what now?

[Drew Franklin]

Well, in his living room there was an actual golf cart. About the money.

[Matt Jones]

He bought a golf cart to just be like a chair.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. So we would be playing we golf and you would go sit on the golf cart. And we're about 19. You know what? That was his money. He wanted to blow it on a golf cart.

[Matt Jones]

So he didn't use it as a golf cart.

[Drew Franklin]

Wasn't even like a motor in it. There was like a piece of furniture. Furniture. And we're playing Wii and you would go sit in the cart. We're all under 20.

[Matt Jones]

Really. A golf cart.

[Drew Franklin]

So that's his money. If he wants a golf cart in his living room, let him have a golf cart in the living room. He's gotta, he's got to deal with it.

[Matt Jones]

That is really funny.

[Drew Franklin]

It was pretty cool. He was living great life.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Well. But the thing is, like, he has a story now.

[Drew Franklin]

He doesn't have that money anymore. Probably should have put that in some kind of savings. But it's his decision to make. That's my point. Wasn't my decision.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. That's a good. That is a great use of your money.

[Billy]

I wonder how much money Zuckerberg lost in the metaverse because they've already shut down.

[Matt Jones]

Not enough. How stupid that was.

[Billy]

God.

[Matt Jones]

That was one of those I called from. Right a moment one. I was like, who wants to do that? Who wants to live in a fake world? You have a real world right over there.

[Billy]

Well, sometimes the real world doesn't treat me right, Matt. Sometimes you gotta escape reality.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And those people are usually psychopaths. Yeah. If you like. If Augusta national is right here and I'm saying, Billy, would you like to play Augusta National? Or you can play it on this video game.

[Billy]

We're going in real life.

[Matt Jones]

We're gonna go play it.

[Drew Franklin]

What if he has a golf cart in his living room though?

[Matt Jones]

He can't take cards.

[Billy]

See, I don't have Augusta National. I have Tate's Creek. Or I have Augusta on virtual.

[Matt Jones]

But no, the explanation here would be Tate's Creek versus Tate's Creek virtual.

[Billy]

Okay, well then going Tate's Creek real, then.

[Matt Jones]

I actually would like to play the royal and ancient Tate's Creek on video game. Is that. I haven't been that course a long time.

[Billy]

Rough slong. It's tough if you don't hit fairways.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, well, it used to not be. I guess they just realized it was so short they had to make correct long. Yeah. Okay, well, good. Well, I'm gonna. I'm gonna be a member of a golf club soon. I hope so. Might bring you as a guest.

[Drew Franklin]

Please bring me out there and we'll see what's next.

[Matt Jones]

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[Drew Franklin]

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[Billy]

Visit spinquest.com for more details. All right, let's go to the backlash that LeBron James is facing right now, he was in a YouTube golf video over the past week and angered many NBA fans and people in the city of Memphis, Tennessee. He had some negative comments. He said, quote, I'm bleeping 41 years old. You think I want to do that? Bleep. Being in Memphis. On a random Thursday, he went on to criticize the local hotels in Memphis that many NBA players stay at and suggested the franchise should move to Nashville. Since he made those comments, other NBA players, like Jeff Teague, have come out in support of the hate of Memphis. A YouTuber, G Fed, who normally sneaks into stadiums, did a review of the hotels since and has given a lot of publicity to the story, including the mayor getting involved in the entire city. When asked about it, LeBron doubled down with the media, saying Milwaukee and Memphis are two places that he doesn't want to live.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, so I have, like, two different views on this that are kind of conflicting. On the one hand, like, I. I think people sort of overreacted. I mean, who cares if he aids Memphis? Is he. Is he required to like Memphis?

[Drew Franklin]

He can have an opinion on places.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, he's like, he's required. He, like, people were acting like it was his civic duty to like Memphis. I don't understand that. Like, David Dennis, who is someone I've worked with at espn, and I like, he did a long spiel about how, you know, you said it to these white guys on a golf course, and you said, go to Nashville, which is basically a white city, and leave a black city, and you're. You're doing all. And I mean, I. I don't know that I'm qualified to speak on that since I'm not black. At the same time, though, if. If he hates Memphis, he hates Memphis. Like, it's okay. You don't have to like a black place, right? Do you. Are you required to, like, everywhere?

[Drew Franklin]

I can name a lot of places I don't like.

[Matt Jones]

Well, name a place you don't like.

[Drew Franklin]

Starkville, Mississippi.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Drew Franklin]

It has improved. I've been mean to Starkville.

[Matt Jones]

So you're not required to, like, start

[Drew Franklin]

Gatlinburg high on my list of places. You won't catch me.

[Matt Jones]

So you. You don't like gall?

[Drew Franklin]

No, no, no, no. Really, I'm good for a couple hours.

[Matt Jones]

I thought you like taffy.

[Billy]

No.

[Drew Franklin]

Taffy? No. I've never been a gallon mountain coaster. I'm not a big touristy, like.

[Matt Jones]

So you don't like taffy? You don't like Go Karts?

[Drew Franklin]

Gatlinburg? I've been There. I've been to the Titanium Museum, have a great story from the Titanium. I can do it for a couple hours. It's just too many people and too much of that Catchy. Every store has got the same.

[Matt Jones]

I don't really like Gatlinburg at all, so. So on the one hand, I think, like, he, okay, he doesn't like Memphis. So now when he goes and plays in Memphis, they can boo. On the other hand, his reason for not liking Memphis is kind of lame. He doesn't like the hotel. Like, I saw the hotel.

[Billy]

Yeah, I think I know what the hotel is.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, it's fine.

[Drew Franklin]

I stay at that brand in other cities. Not that specific one, but it's. It's treated me well in other places.

[Matt Jones]

So Bougie lebron, that you can't stay in a four star hotel because it's a four star hotel. I've. I have not been there. Well, first of all, there are nice hotels in Memphis. I've stayed in them. Why don't they stay where the Ducks are? Peabody, if he's so miserable, go stay with the Ducks. That place is nice.

[Drew Franklin]

There's a clip going around now where it's at least 15 NBA players in interviews talking about that one hotel. It seems to be universally stopped going to that hotel, including one. I was a Draymond. Someone from the warriors said Andrew Bogut was just chilling in his room and the sprinkler went off above him in the bed and soaked everything. And they were like, okay, I'm not

[Matt Jones]

going to act like every hotel. First of all, it looked fine to me. But if they don't like the hotel, why. But there are other hotel. Are they required by law to stay at that one hotel? I don't know. I've stayed in multiple good hotels in Memphis. So his. So I'm fine with him hating Memphis, but I don't think he, like, because the hotel is not good as lame.

[Drew Franklin]

You know what I do when I go to a hotel in, like, I don't go back. I'm like, you know what? Next time I'm in this town, probably won't stay at that one.

[Billy]

Yeah, I think it was unfair to people that work at that hotel to, you know, they probably work really hard. And then, you know, LeBron comes out and says, the clip I saw where

[Drew Franklin]

all the NBA players are hating on the hotel. I want to be like, can I get one normal person who's not a millionaire to give me an honest review of this hotel?

[Matt Jones]

And he also, I think people overlooked. He also Said he didn't like the city he grew up in.

[Drew Franklin]

What?

[Billy]

What? Akron?

[Matt Jones]

See, people have skipped over this part of what he said. He said. So then they asked him after he said that about Memphis, he said, then, I don't like Memphis or Milwaukee. He's like, I also don't want to go back to where I grew up, man. Now if I'm in Akron, I'd be like, wait a minute. Said that.

[Drew Franklin]

What happened to the kid from Akron?

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, you claimed to be the kid from Akron. And then his. I think Rich Paul said on his podcast, yeah, LeBron hates Akron. It's like, maybe you have gotten a little big for your britches. LeBron, if you don't even like your

[Drew Franklin]

hometown, get a little spoiled.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. I mean, you. I like Middlesboro. You like Madison.

[Drew Franklin]

Love Madisonville.

[Matt Jones]

Millsboro doesn't have a great hotel, but that doesn't mean I don't like it.

[Drew Franklin]

Just two months ago, we stayed at the Hampton Inn in Madisonville. Did you enjoy your stay at the Hampton Inn?

[Matt Jones]

It was nice.

[Drew Franklin]

It was a great Hampton in.

[Matt Jones]

The Hampton Inns are very. But can you imagine if LeBron had

[Drew Franklin]

to stay in a Hampton inner. He would never.

[Matt Jones]

He would be. He'd be like. He would explode.

[Drew Franklin]

They have those sausage patties. You don't get many places. I could eat a thousand of those. Shout out, Hampton Inn.

[Matt Jones]

What, the round ones?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, they're thin, kind of like what you'd get on McDonald's sandwich. But they don't serve them at a lot of places, so.

[Matt Jones]

Not the. Not the links.

[Drew Franklin]

No, no.

[Matt Jones]

Okay.

[Drew Franklin]

But a good Hampton Inn will have. We'll have both.

[Matt Jones]

We'll have options. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

LeBron could never.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. What did I ever. The last time I went to Hampton and I tried to make a waffle, you know, usually the line's too long for the waffle. So, like, I was at the very end. So I tried to make a waffle, and I forgot to put oil on it, and I nearly set the place on fire because, like, if you don't put oil on it.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Sticks. And then I. You know, and then I couldn't get

[Drew Franklin]

it off, and people were waiting.

[Matt Jones]

They didn't like me clearing their throat. Yeah, fruit next time. So I. But LeBron should be able to have an opinion. You should be able to dislike a city. I go on the race on espn. They asked us to talk about this. And part of my whole shtick on ESPN is whoever. Wherever people call in from, I tell them their town sucks. So it was hard for me to like express outrage about this.

[Drew Franklin]

And if LeBron said, I love every NBA city, I love every hotel, they're all perfect. No one's going to believe that you're allowed to have an opinion. They're not all going to be.

[Matt Jones]

I'm surprised that he's cool with Salt

[Drew Franklin]

Lake City, though, or Oklahoma City, where it's haunted.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Billy]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Well, he's not going to be playing in Memphis.

[Drew Franklin]

That's clear.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. All right, what's next?

[Billy]

Let's go local here. The Kentucky Oaks has a new post time. We're less than a month away from the Oaks and the Derby, but if you're going to be watching the Oaks this year, it will start at 8:40pm it's at 8:40. 8:40.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Billy]

It was at 5:51 last year. It will be at 8:40. The bigger stage is expected to add over a million viewers for the. For the Kentucky Oaks. The 152nd Kentucky Derby is slated for a 657 post time, but, well, they

[Matt Jones]

just keep pushing that back later and later.

[Billy]

Do you think eventually that used to

[Matt Jones]

be like at 5:30 or 5:45? Well, the people. I would think that people in City Louis will got to be livid about that.

[Drew Franklin]

That's me.

[Billy]

What I think there's a restaurant.

[Drew Franklin]

Restaurant is going to get business from Oaks people. Now who's going to leave the Oaks, get out at about 10 and be like, yeah, let's go sit down.

[Matt Jones]

Like, like, you know, the Barnstable Brown usually started at 8. Yeah, that's a. That's big for the city of Louisville in terms of negative. But it's a perfect example of how the Oaks in the Derby are kind of no longer about Louisville. They're kind of just about this TV show.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. All those people that would leave and go to Jeff Ruby, you name the Louisville restaurant Churchill Downs just now, you dinner for them.

[Matt Jones]

Exactly right. That's a great point.

[Drew Franklin]

Churchill Downs, they're basically just taking the restaurant crowd and keeping it.

[Matt Jones]

That's a really good point. They're essentially now just going to serve dinner. I bet when you buy those tickets now you're buying lunch and dinner also.

[Drew Franklin]

How hammered are people going to be? There are already people that can barely walk at 2 o' clock in Oaks. They're going to be in there all the way till 9 o'.

[Matt Jones]

Clock. I remember hearing they were going to push it back. I did not know they were going to push it back to 8:40.

[Billy]

And what we're talking about, Pat Steakhouse in Louisville is closing on Oaks Day and Derby weekend just because of the time changes.

[Matt Jones]

They're closing the whole weekend.

[Billy]

Yes.

[Drew Franklin]

So they probably go from that's their best weekend of the year to $0

[Billy]

know Friday and Saturday.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I didn't realize that. Well I, I don't know if I think that's a good idea because I do think there will be people that will leave cuz so those parties, like what's happening in the parties are the parties just going away?

[Billy]

Think about the traffic trying to get out of there too.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, that's another thing. We used to always like to walk and I don't know if you're going to want to walk at night in those neighborhoods.

[Drew Franklin]

I bet some restaurants.

[Matt Jones]

It's a shame actually. That's, that's a shame. I, I remember when the story first came out I was like everybody needs to stop complaining. But now I didn't realize it was 8:40. That does suck.

[Drew Franklin]

Churchill basically just kept the whole dinner crowd that would be all over town in Louisville spreading that money around and

[Matt Jones]

I mean that hurts the whole city. That hurts Uber drivers, that hurts everybody. That sucks. I didn't realize that. Now it will be a better television product. It'll be on the lights and you're right, this is a test to see about the dirt. I mean ultimately this is a test and if it goes okay, then they're going to do this to the Derby.

[Billy]

Yeah, well the Derby is a great lead into other stuff but I mean put it in prime time and even more.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, if you get the Derby at 8 o' clock at night on NBC with like, oh come on, there'll be people. I mean it'll be, it's already a massive. It'll be even bigger. Massive. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that. All right, what's that? See some news news next.

[Billy]

Let's keep it local again. The Kentucky Bourbon Trail has just come out with some numbers from 2025 and they had 2.7 million visitors in the in the year of 2025, matching their record setting total from last year. With many tourist destinations across the country facing declining attendance, Bourbon tourism is still growing and doing the Kentucky economy well.

[Matt Jones]

I am a amazed at how many people I meet when I'm away from Kentucky. This happens in New York all the time. Who, when I say I'm from Kentucky, they'll go. I went to Louisville on my bachelor party to do bourbon stuff. It's almost becoming like the men Nashville. You know how girls all go to their bachelorette parties in Nashville it seems like got the bourbon trail thing. I guess I never realized just how big that's gotten.

[Drew Franklin]

My bachelor party was three years ago. I've been a part of others and, you know, I nerd out on, like, looking for travel. Lexington is top three on about every website you can find for bachelor parties for that reason. And I live in here. You don't think about it, but when I zoom out, I think about the restaurants, bourbon. Maybe you can time it with Keeneland or a football game. I mean, it really has become a destination Bourbon driving that.

[Matt Jones]

There are a lot of people that do that. But what's interesting about that is it's rising. As the bourbon industry itself is struggling.

[Billy]

There are 70 distillery destinations and growing in the state of Kentucky. 80% of the visitors are outside of Kentucky, including 20 different countries visiting the area.

[Matt Jones]

Over in 2025, Japan that, you know, there. There are. There's a restaurant. There are restaurants in Louisville that have a Japanese menu for the amount. Like a jet, like menu in Japanese for how many visitors they get from Japan. There's like. I don't remember what the restaurants are. I think Jeff Ruby's is one of them, but there's like three or four restaurants that Japan's. The tour groups that put these together for Japanese people essentially have deals with these restaurants. So they have menus in Japanese for people. That's cool when they come.

[Drew Franklin]

I've been to one because I experienced it. I actually sat with Japanese people that were in for bourbon. I want to say it was proof at 21C, the hotel, I think they. They cater to a lot of international crowd.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, well, yeah, we're booming.

[Drew Franklin]

At least with the tourism Bourbon, at

[Matt Jones]

least with the distilleries now, the actual product has really taken a hit. And a lot of that is tariffs a lot. That's a. That's a big part of it. But it's also just in general. The. The demand has gone way down. What's next?

[Billy]

The 90th Masters tournament begins this week, and it will be the first masters since 1994 without both Tiger woods and Phil Mickelson. Phil used 1994.

[Matt Jones]

Yes.

[Billy]

Phil Mickelson citing a family health matter for why he was not attending the event. Tiger woods stepping away following a recent DUI arrest. I know Drew is a big fan of the tournament. He ordered a. What was it? Egg salad. Tub of egg salad and pimento cheese for the occasion.

[Drew Franklin]

And the zelias, the chips, the cups, I got.

[Matt Jones]

I think you're a little weird about the Masters. Like, you like It a little much. Trying to recreate it in your house is strange to me.

[Drew Franklin]

Why don't you just do it with me? We've had a guys weekend the last two years where everybody brought something in. Mine was the Masters kits, and then this year, I ordered it. If we have our baby Masters weekend, I'll give it to the nurses and people working.

[Matt Jones]

So I don't know. That's actually really good.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Now I feel bad. Like, I was sitting there just seeing him with his shirt off, eating from that and putting on a green jacket and going, look at me. I'm calling Montgomery. You're doing it a little different.

[Drew Franklin]

And this year specifically, a lot of the stuff you order has the year on it. And if I truly have a baby born master Sunday, the cups. And it comes with a lot of stuff with the.

[Matt Jones]

But I remember when you and I went. You bought, like, a lot. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

I've been to the master store twice.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, you're wearing a master's hat right now.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. And honestly, I have about eight to choose from when I go to my closet, so.

[Matt Jones]

Why do you think you like it so much?

[Drew Franklin]

Hey, it's something I never really thought I'd get to do, and I've been lucky to do it three times now, which I pinch myself still. It's just the being.

[Matt Jones]

But even that, like, why, like, you. The reason you pinch yourself is you feel some connection to that. Why do you think that is?

[Drew Franklin]

I don't know. Part of it is, like, when you're in there, I. I like so much. Like, the fact that they don't let your phones in at first. Like, I need my phone. But when you're in there, I don't sound like an old man, but, like, you truly just. Just appreciate stuff, talk to people. It's kind of like. It's kind of fun having a whole day where you cannot look at your phone.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

Stuff like that. And then on the merchandise, it's one of the few things where if you are able to go, I can't just go buy a master's hat anyway.

[Matt Jones]

He's like, the girls who want. Who want the bags that you can only get in, like, the south of France. Yeah. Like, he's like that.

[Drew Franklin]

I did see someone called it Coachella for CEOs, which made me laugh, because that's a good way to just.

[Matt Jones]

That's a good way to describe it. Yeah. I think Coachella is this weekend, by the way.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

I don't know how I know that.

[Billy]

I think. I think Drew nailed it. Though there is a sense of everybody is there, they want to be there and, like, their focus.

[Matt Jones]

To what?

[Billy]

Well, I mean, you could go to any sporting event and somebody's been dragged to the event, or they're. They have their head in their phone like, there, because you got to pay

[Matt Jones]

a lot and it's hard to get tickets. Okay. So, yeah, go ahead, finish what you're saying.

[Billy]

I was going to say everybody appreciates it in the moment, and it. And it leads to, like, just some cool moments.

[Drew Franklin]

Just in sports, I will say having, like, love it. I prefer to be on my couch on the week, because you cannot follow the actual golf. I like the practice round and having a good trip with my buddies. Hooters is gone. That's a big John.

[Matt Jones]

David.

[Drew Franklin]

That's.

[Matt Jones]

Can I be a bummer?

[Drew Franklin]

That's going to crush him.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. Okay, so I've been twice. Cool parts.

[Drew Franklin]

Beautiful.

[Matt Jones]

Beautiful. I love places that sort of emanate history. And that certainly does. You can, like, be it on a hole and say, I remember when Tiger's ball was on the lip and fell in, or Jack Nicklaus hit the putt and pointed and all that. Like, Flores, like, you. You get all those. So that. That. That's very cool. It's. You're surprised unless you've been there at how hilly it is.

[Billy]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Like, it's much hillier than you realize until you walk it. It's neat to kind of go back in time without the phone and the. And the stuff is cheap. The food and the merchandise, not cheap, but the food and stuff is cheap. And, you know, the best golfers are there. So all of that, don't get me wrong, yes. It gives me the populist, anti elitist. Ick.

[Drew Franklin]

There is a lot of that, and

[Matt Jones]

I'm not denying that I am very much. It is filled with the type of people that I like the least in the world. World. Like, obviously, this is a huge generalization because there are, like, you guys have been. I like you, but the kind of Masters crowd is not my crowd. Right. It's. It's rich, white, generally speaking, very privileged, very elitist. Very much like, we have shut these doors to keep the plebeians out. Now we may have our fun together and let them eat cake outside. And the city of Augusta even, like, doubles into that because the city's not very nice. But when you get through those gates, it's true. So, like, you're passing, you know, a Wendy's and a Popeyes, and then you're walking through this Heaven. But they're like, the gates are really high up. There's something about that that offends the sort of Middlesborough in me.

[Drew Franklin]

I think, oh, I don't like 99% of the people I'm walking around. The few times I've been.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, part of the only reason I've been able to go because our friend Aaron Fleeners, a caddy. Part of that. That's the only reason I've got an invite. He gave me caddy tickets. Part of that is just, like, proud to go see him at Augusta. I don't like the CEOs and people. I'm like, I hope I never come off as, like, one of them. I'm kind of there.

[Matt Jones]

No.

[Drew Franklin]

Also just rooting on.

[Matt Jones]

You know what I mean? So the whole principle of who gets in.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah. It's outrageous.

[Matt Jones]

You know, the whole principle of who gets in the club. You know, they didn't. There are. And I get it.

[Drew Franklin]

I'm not.

[Matt Jones]

Look, not trying to make any big statements here, but, you know, it's all rich people. It's generally all powerful people. Took them years to allow black people. Took them just recently contemplated a woman. And then they got Condoleezza Rice, and we're like, well, we got both of them now, so that's good. You know, I mean, there's a part of that that's like. And then everybody wears. You know, it's just. I don't know.

[Billy]

Part of that.

[Drew Franklin]

Everybody has their.

[Matt Jones]

Don't get me wrong. When you're. It's not on Sunday. I'm enjoying it. And I. I teared up when Rory won. I'm not trying to act like I'm. I'm not above it, but there's just part of it that eats at.

[Drew Franklin]

See Sunday. I'd rather be home. As much as I like it, I agree with you. Actually, that's why I like the practice round. I want to go see it.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, have that day and then get home and watch the tournament.

[Matt Jones]

CBS does an amazing. I think you can make an argument. CBS's presentation of the Masters is as good as any sporting event that is presented in the world.

[Billy]

Agreed.

[Matt Jones]

You know, I think a lot of

[Billy]

that is just golf. I mean, it's very elitist sport. We've seen it change over the years, but this is the most traditional thing that they have.

[Matt Jones]

But I was always. I mean, even going back to the Middlesboro Country Club.

[Billy]

The oldest public course.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Like, even when I walked in there, I felt uncomfortable.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

You know, and my mom wouldn't even let me be a member until I was, like, 15. Because they drank there.

[Billy]

Well, we can't have you drinking underage.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then, you know, so there's just part of that. You're right. It's just golf now. Tiger opened that up a little bit like golf. You know, more types of people play golf now than they did when I was growing up.

[Billy]

Yeah, look at the waste management.

[Matt Jones]

But you wouldn't know that at the Masters. Correct. You know, the sort of democratization of golf, when you go through those gates, it doesn't feel quite like that.

[Drew Franklin]

You know, you had to be pretty rich to attend. Just in general, like an Airbnb or a hotel room are insane, let alone getting the tickets, which is impossible in itself. Just being around that town that week is so expensive.

[Matt Jones]

Do you remember my story about going to the Masters and. And my shoe breaking?

[Billy]

Yeah, see, I do.

[Matt Jones]

And I was wearing the. I, like, wore the. The crappiest pair of shoes I could because I was like. It was really rainy and muddy, and I was like, whatever I wear is going to be ruined. And then I got there, and the. The sole came off, like, half of it, and it started flapping. And I was like, I'm not going

[Drew Franklin]

to go ask them.

[Matt Jones]

I'm not going to be like, look at my shoes. Can you please help me? So I walked around, and then I started getting mud inside. And I was like, I got to do something about this. So I had to walk. You know, they. That one place, I asked, anybody have, like, scissors or knife? They were like, they only have those in the clubhouse. So now I'm walking to the clubhouse covered in mud, which. With mud in my shoe. And I got to walk up there, and these guys are in the green jackets. I'm like, you have a knife? They go, no. And I show him, and I got flappy shoe there. And you can see the guys, like, who let you.

[Billy]

This riff right out.

[Matt Jones]

The whole point of this tournament is to keep people like you out of here. You're not wearing. He has to see my pass, I bet. And I was like, here it is. So he goes inside, and he hands me a knife to cut it. And then. So I'm cutting the soul. And then he walks away. And so now I'm standing there at Butler Cabin with a knife in my hand and half of a shoe sole in the other hand, and I need to return the knife. And I walk up to a different guy, and I still remember his eyes, because if you're him, this muddy, dirty, Riff Raff is carrying a knife, walking towards you, and he made me feel like what exactly? I was there, which was not part of the crew. Didn't you say, isn't Michael Bennett a member?

[Drew Franklin]

No.

[Matt Jones]

What, he has access to it. I don't know if he's a member.

[Drew Franklin]

I believe he told me he was

[Matt Jones]

a member, but that didn't mean it was true.

[Drew Franklin]

You're right.

[Matt Jones]

No, he may be. I don't know.

[Drew Franklin]

He is. And there's not many members.

[Matt Jones]

How that happened.

[Drew Franklin]

Big money Michael Bennett, I refuse to

[Matt Jones]

believe, because I remember he got mad one time and was like, I would have taken you to Augusta.

[Drew Franklin]

One of my most surreal days ever was there two years ago. I had my phone in the car and Calipari got fired. Billy did the radio show that day, just walking around the ground. And I'll never forget because I text my wife at like 6am When I got there, I was like, I'll call you at 8pm and she's like, john Calipari's out pushing a dog in a stroller. And I'm like, what are you talking about?

[Matt Jones]

I've only been gone for 12 hours.

[Drew Franklin]

And in that 12 hours, so much happened, I couldn't believe it when I got back to my car.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I'll watch it. And what was the news story? Just that it was coming.

[Billy]

The Tiger and Phil. Tiger and Phil both not in it since.

[Drew Franklin]

I'll give you one of my cups if you need a cup.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, that's a huge hit, though. I mean, those are. I would say the only star in golf that's in the vicinity of those

[Billy]

two is Rory, who won it last year.

[Matt Jones]

Who won it last year and had his. Had his dinner and all that. All right, what's next?

[Billy]

All right, and this is my last one, by the way. Eight topics today. Did you guys happen to see what happy happened with Christy Gnomes husband?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I like that. That was quite a story.

[Billy]

Yeah. So she was let go and her husband, Byron.

[Matt Jones]

Was his name Byron?

[Billy]

Yes. Byron Gnomes apparently has a particular fetish that appears to be what's known as bimbotification.

[Matt Jones]

What?

[Billy]

Bimbofication.

[Matt Jones]

You. I still think you've said it right. Although I don't know because I wasn't familiar with this term. Is it bimbo affication?

[Billy]

Sure.

[Matt Jones]

Yes. Okay.

[Billy]

Bimbo affication.

[Matt Jones]

I learned about this from Mario, but go ahead.

[Billy]

It's essentially turning yourself into the most hyper, feminine, Barbie like version of yourself, regardless of gender. That's what experts say.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, so like, so, so explain What? He. They found pictures of him cross dressing?

[Billy]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Okay, so what's the difference between bimbo ification and just cross dressing?

[Billy]

That is a great question that I think scholars are still trying to figure.

[Matt Jones]

Scholars are working on this.

[Drew Franklin]

You're our scholar, Billy.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, so. So if we people haven't seen the pictures. So this is Kristi Noem's husband. She got fired. Yes. Because she was, you know, killed her dog and wasn't good at her job. So she gets fired, and then they come out like, just one right after the other. Her husband is dressing. Are those balloon breasts?

[Drew Franklin]

Talk about a shocking photo. Like, you just hear the story. You're like, okay, man likes throwing a dress and a wig. Not my business. But then you see it, and it's like, whoa. Okay.

[Matt Jones]

And they're. They're comet.

[Drew Franklin]

Yes.

[Matt Jones]

Right.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

And reminds me, when I was in high school, they did Powder Puff. And I'm really shocked that we did that. In hindsight, that, like, the school encouraged it. That's what's kind of funny about how things have changed so much. Like, when I was in high school, like, the teachers dress like that for Powder Puff. Like, it's like. It's funny. But anyway, they would get as big as they could. This seems to be what Byron does. So did he. What was. Did he just take pictures or did he go places? What did he do besides having balloon boobs? What was his sin?

[Drew Franklin]

I saw a story where a woman came out and said she was paid to talk to him. And she said, I didn't know his name or his face, but I could not forget those boobs when it came.

[Matt Jones]

Wait a minute. Hang on. She was like, what was her job?

[Drew Franklin]

I guess to talk dirty to him.

[Matt Jones]

So he would. He would call.

[Billy]

He would pay $25aminute.

[Drew Franklin]

Her.

[Matt Jones]

$25aminute.

[Drew Franklin]

Her quote was like, didn't recognize the name. Face looked kind of familiar. But I will never forget those.

[Matt Jones]

Did you just say $25aminute?

[Billy]

That's right. Is that a little high for your taste?

[Matt Jones]

I'll talk to Byron. For $25aminute.

[Billy]

Cross dressers may simply enjoy slipping into.

[Matt Jones]

I mean, that's what, $500 for 20 minutes of bimbo ification with Byron.

[Billy]

Well, I got to say, Billy, you've

[Matt Jones]

been asking how you could make extra money.

[Billy]

Scholars have figured out the difference between

[Drew Franklin]

bimbo ification and cross dressers.

[Matt Jones]

I want to know who's working on this.

[Billy]

Cross dressers may just enjoy slipping on clothing traditionally worn by the opposite sex. Bimbo ification takes it Up a notch. Much hyper feminine outfits, makeup, props designed for fantasy performance or fetish content.

[Matt Jones]

So he would call a woman to have her talk dirty to him, but then he would dress up as a woman. That's odd.

[Billy]

That is odd.

[Matt Jones]

So how did this come out? Did like, somebody was this. This couldn't have been in a news.

[Drew Franklin]

It was right after she got fired. Right. I'm guessing someone had known for a while and they just felt they needed to leak it as on her way.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I wonder if she leaked it.

[Drew Franklin]

Maybe because she's been alleged to have.

[Matt Jones]

Because, like, she looks. Because she was alleged to have an affair with Corey Lewandowski. Yeah.

[Drew Franklin]

And if I were, who did you

[Matt Jones]

know that's like Caliper's former player.

[Drew Franklin]

I didn't know that part.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, they. They have some. Something. I don't know if it was Cal Perry's manager or player or. So he has some connection to Cal because I met. I have his phone number because. No, I'm dead. No, I believe I have had text messages with Corey Lewandowski. This is years ago, and it was not on this topic.

[Drew Franklin]

What does it cost to talk to him?

[Matt Jones]

Oh, I guess it didn't make my. I, at some point did. I don't have anymore. Not cost a lot, I think. I think it was a good way to, like, make her look sympathetic after just getting fired.

[Drew Franklin]

Like, look, you think I'm having an affair? Well, let me show you what I have dealing with at home.

[Matt Jones]

So are they still together?

[Drew Franklin]

No, I don't think so. I think this model, he wanted to marry or something.

[Billy]

All I have right now, he wanted

[Matt Jones]

to marry the woman he was paying $25aminute for something.

[Drew Franklin]

Like, he's been showering her with gifts

[Matt Jones]

and she didn't remember his name. That's not a good sign if you want to marry someone who doesn't remember your name.

[Drew Franklin]

She remembered two other things, though.

[Billy]

Yeah, it just says the Daily Mail with the investor.

[Matt Jones]

Okay. So that's that British newspaper that's just like, I'm. Because the Brits are different about all this stuff, man. The Brits will get you on anything.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Like, the Brits. Because, you know, they don't have a first amendment in Britain, so you can. So, like, it's just out there. You just go, so. Yeah. Oh, what do you think about this story?

[Drew Franklin]

It's just like I said, nothing prepares you for the photo. Even knowing the story going into the photo.

[Matt Jones]

Can he live in South Africa, Dakota, like this? Now he's got to move, right?

[Drew Franklin]

And he looks like when he's in his suit, he looks like a stern, you know, kind of guy.

[Matt Jones]

He's like a good looking guy. Well, I mean he's got to move. You can't live like South Dakota's small.

[Drew Franklin]

Right. He needs to go somewhere where he can be himself. Got to be your big breasted.

[Matt Jones]

I agree with you. So what size town if you get caught bimbo Ification do you have to leave or you'd have to leave Middlesboro. Guaranteed most towns you can't stay in Middlesboro. What about Lexington If. If somebody famous was bimbo Ification.

[Drew Franklin]

You got to go.

[Matt Jones]

You think you have to go from Lexington.

[Drew Franklin]

Everywhere you go there's going to be Louisville.

[Matt Jones]

Louisville, Yep.

[Billy]

I think you have to change countries.

[Matt Jones]

Like I want to see what the city is. You can get away with it. Charlotte.

[Drew Franklin]

I think most cities you gotta go.

[Matt Jones]

I don't. Well, you don't have to leave New York.

[Drew Franklin]

That'd be New York.

[Matt Jones]

Miami, you don't have to leave Miami. Probably don't have to leave la.

[Drew Franklin]

Those. I was gonna say New York and la.

[Matt Jones]

Chicago, all those places are big enough. People wouldn't know who you are.

[Drew Franklin]

When you're in them though, it'll feel like a small town.

[Matt Jones]

So you would even leave Chicago. Yeah. People are going if you did this

[Drew Franklin]

Belarus, I am going to Alaska and I'm disappearing off the face of the earth.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, you're gonna live like.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

In solo.

[Drew Franklin]

Because everywhere you go, even if they're not talking about. You're just gonna feel like people are looking at me as. As the bimbo Ification guy.

[Matt Jones]

First of all, I think there's a lot of people, like I'm not even sure I would recognize him. Do you think you would recognize him if you saw him?

[Billy]

I wouldn't.

[Matt Jones]

I don't think I would actually.

[Drew Franklin]

The people in his town would.

[Matt Jones]

I agree. But. Oh, so you're saying you could leave North Dakota but you could move to Iowa?

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, yeah. You just have to leave your community.

[Matt Jones]

You have to leave your.

[Drew Franklin]

However big that community.

[Matt Jones]

But I think if you're in New York or Miami, like they're not even going to care. But yeah. But Lexington is interesting because I do agree. Like if those pictures came out of Billy, I'm going to suggest he leaves.

[Drew Franklin]

Let's go back to Oldham County.

[Billy]

I'd have to leave the state, I think. I don't know.

[Matt Jones]

Plus he's like a Republican.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah.

[Matt Jones]

Governor's independent husband.

[Drew Franklin]

No, not you. Talking about Christine Holmes.

[Matt Jones]

I wasn't talking specifically about now you're in your personalizing it too much. You're like. You're, like, preparing for this to happen. I was talking about Steve Gnome anyway. Not Billy. Billy Bimbo over here.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Her husband, conservative. Doesn't really fit their script.

[Matt Jones]

But if you want to keep talking, listen, the more Billy talks, the guiltier he's getting.

[Billy]

Gonna play the fifth.

[Matt Jones]

Do you think she would remember your face

[Drew Franklin]

also? It's like they wore, like, tiny pink shorts. It was just. There's a lot.

[Matt Jones]

That's right. The shorts. The shorts.

[Drew Franklin]

They probably said something on the back. I didn't get that far.

[Matt Jones]

They said, like, juicy.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah, there was definitely a word on the back of those shorts.

[Matt Jones]

Stop. Do not say juicy. Well, nom, nom, nom. No,

[Drew Franklin]

I got bailed. I've never been bailed on this show. What does that mean? Do I have to move to Iowa?

[Matt Jones]

I don't know. Well, remember, Trump said he was hiring the best of the best. And there you go, breast of the breast again. See, I knew you don't want to skip over this story. This is former. She was in charge of homeland security, so. But I do think the timing is fascinating right after she gets fired, because you would think if any Democrat had this, they would have done this while she was in office. Right. It would have been much more devastating while it was in office. The only person that would have incentive to release it after she got out of office is her.

[Drew Franklin]

Yeah. Cover her own stuff.

[Matt Jones]

Think about that. Anyone who was an enemy or a political enemy of her would have released it before blackmail.

[Billy]

Could have been very easy, so.

[Matt Jones]

But don't you think it's odd it didn't get released till after.

[Billy]

Yes. Yeah. I'm reading something here about a pocket dial between Byron Gnome and one of the women that he was talking with.

[Matt Jones]

Not because he did more than pocket dial, clearly. Well, I think that's what. Oh, do you think he accidentally, like,

[Billy]

figuring out who he was and then it led to.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, so you think maybe the bim. Well, clearly the woman ultimately sold him out because she said that she remembered the. The things.

[Drew Franklin]

I just hope he finds a place where he can be himself.

[Matt Jones]

See, I kind. Part of me actually agrees with you. Like, he said he's. He said he needed to find God. Is that what he said?

[Billy]

Yes, he has come out and said that.

[Matt Jones]

Well, I mean, oddly, I kind of feel bad for him, which is crazy, but, like, just be happy. And maybe that is by finding God. Or maybe it's with Billy and spent

[Billy]

over $25,000 for three women wow. Over a 14 month period, $25,000 just on phone calls.

[Matt Jones]

Wow. Well, c' est la vie.

[Drew Franklin]

To each their own.

[Billy]

They're in the wrong business.

[Matt Jones]

What happens when Cash Patel,

[Billy]

who knows what he's doing.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. You like him though. He's your guy.

[Billy]

No, don't. Don't put that on his thing.

[Matt Jones]

He's also fascinating though, with his girlfriend. Right. You know, he's got. His girlfriend's like a country music singer.

[Drew Franklin]

I didn't know that part.

[Matt Jones]

Oh, you didn't know this?

[Drew Franklin]

I know he's like a low budget

[Matt Jones]

country music singer, but she. He, because she dates him, she gets secret service protection. So I was reading this story, like, she'll play like towns like Pineville in front of like 60 people at the mountain laurel festival, but there will be 10 secret service agents there guarding.

[Drew Franklin]

Half the crowd has ear.

[Matt Jones]

And the crowd doesn't know that's cash flow Patel's girlfriend. And they're like, what is happening here? Why are you giving me a full body search to go to the ham festival?

[Drew Franklin]

I knew there was a lot of perks going on on his side, but I didn't know it was as.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah, I mean, imagine if you went to the burl to a concert and like men in black were there.

[Drew Franklin]

I don't think some big star is going to show up in surprises.

[Matt Jones]

Yeah. And then this girl comes out and she's like. It'd be weird.

[Drew Franklin]

Very weird.

[Matt Jones]

It's a good ending.

[Drew Franklin]

That's the news.

[Matt Jones]

It is. All right. Thank you, Billy. Thank you, Mario and Drew. We'll see you later.