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044: Rebecca King | I Wasn’t Ready to Have This Conversation With My Sister | The Matt King Show
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A
This is a conversation that I wasn't ready to have, one of nature versus nurture with someone I grew up with who has the same parents as me, who was forced to follow in my footsteps, the class clown who everybody thought was older, more sophisticated, more put together, and they weren't wrong. She went to West Point, has two MBAs, and this conversation is with my sister. This is Rebecca King. Do you think you would be the same person you are today if you weren't raised by mom and dad?
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B
No. I mean, I think we. We talk a lot about nature versus nurture because mom and dad always get this question of, like, how did your kids turn out so well, how are your kids so accomplished, etc. Etc. And I think, yes, nature plays a role in it, but I think nurture also does. Like, for example, I remember from a very young age, we'd go out to eat and mom would make us order for ourselves. We were probably four or five years old, going up to the counter at Cousin Subs, Can I have a kids, Whatever. And I think at a young age, it taught us independence, it gave us confidence, it empowered us. But that was in everything. It wasn't just ordering food. It was thanking people. It was looking out for other people. So I think a lot of our core values are very similar, which to me is a combination of nature and nurture. But I definitely think mom and dad.
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A
Did.
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B
They ran a pretty tight ship for the most part, but I also think they let us fail, especially when we got older. I mean, everybody sees the end result now that we're adults and we have social media and you have a family and kids. But they don't see the messy in between. They don't see the tough parts of high school. They don't see the shit show that was my West Point experience. Like, they don't see all of the things that mom and dad guided us through with poise and a firm but loving hand. I would say so, you know, Yeah, I definitely think a lot of why we're feeling empowered, feeling confident, is probably a result of how we were raised. And I look at other people that grew up with us and how their parents raised them, and it's hard not to criticize and be like, I can't believe their parents let them do that, or, I can't believe their parents never xyz. But I think a lot of what breeds that criticism in us is that we had such a great example of parenting. We were parented what I thought was really well. So, yeah, I definitely think I would Be in a different place if we had different parents or no parents, where.
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A
Did they get it wrong? You get to pull that aside, not have his snappiness, actually know he's gonna listen, not scroll Instagram and look at the reels and laugh.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you can be like, dad, this is where you messed up, or, mom, this is where you messed up. Where'd they get it wrong?
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B
Um, I mean, I think for when I look back, I think I can't think of a specific example where I'm like, yeah, they should have never let us do that or whatever. But I think in our older age, like now, I feel like sometimes they just need to relax. Like, they haven't stopped parenting us, which we're very blessed because so many people don't have. Have parents or don't have loving parents, but to this day, they have very strong opinions about our lives and how we live them, how you parent who I date. And so I think in that respect, it's like, your work is done. Like, look at us, We've made it. You've done the parenting that was the hardest throughout our lives. You can relax now. Like, everything from here on is on us. We're grownups now. So I think they. They haven't quite enjoyed, like, just being parents of adults that have their own, you know, their own lives and their own choices, and they don't relax as much as they probably could. I don't know. What do you think?
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A
There's two things. The first one is I wish our family would have been more intentional around health earlier in our life. I tell people all the time. There's that book, the five Love Languages. I think that should be rewritten with a sixth, and the sixth being food. And I think one of dad's love languages and moms, to a certain extent, hence the cookie baking every year is food because so many memories are made around the table. So many memories are made around meals. And so I understand why that's so important to people.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I just. I feel like we could have eaten better and had a bigger focus on our health. And I don't blame them for it or criticize them for it. I don't think that people knew about food what people know today.
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B
Right.
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A
You know, I attribute a lot of my ADD and other issues to the over vaccinations that mom made me get as a kid and the countless shots she made me receive. But no, the other thing, honestly, that I say she. Where they got it wrong is I remember my senior year of high school. I was the first person in the school's history to fail a ta. The teacher's assistant class. That was supposed to be like the cakewalk.
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B
I remember easy thing.
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A
And I was the TA for the AP Chem teacher. And she was a rambunctious, wound tight.
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B
Little thing, like 90 pounds.
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A
Oh my God.
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B
Little fireball. Yeah.
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A
And I was in a phase of my life where I didn't really care about school. I had already kind of checked out of school. I was there to play soccer, I was there to hang out with my friends. And that was pretty much it. I, I wasn't. You were the intellect. I wasn't the intellect. And my friends were all in AP Chem. I wasn't in AP Chem. And I remember that the day I was her TA was the day before the midterm or like the end of semester exam. And it was up on her computer where I was supposed to be working grading tests or something like that for her. And I just had this thought. I was like, well, that's the AP Chem test. My friends are in that class. I could quickly log into my email, email this to myself, log out of my email. She would never know. I'll give all my friends the test and they'll have the answers. But the thing about that soccer kid2319@yahoo.com email address is when you log out of a Yahoo email it still shows what the last person logged into. Now I, you know, now I need to know how to clear the browsers and the cache and the cookies and all that. But my guessing of the password was the password because I was too stupid to remember stuff. So she logged into my email and saw that I had sent it to myself. And I remember mom and the principal and me and me defending why what I did was right, which was just a really crazy idea on my part. And I remember the principal wanted me to have a three day suspension and mom said that's exactly what he wants, is to not be at school. You're going to make him serve an in school suspension. And I think she should have let me stay home. I think I should have been, I think I should have been able to enjoy the suspension and had to sit with the consequences of the choices I made. But actually it was the right decision. I did want to be out of school, but I failed the TA because of that. And I remember mom was furious. Oh, is she mad. That and when I got kicked out of Spanish class, those were the two maddest I've probably ever seen. Mom most Disappointed is the word she would use.
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B
I was going to say, I'm not mad. I'm disappointed.
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A
Disappointed. Disappointed.
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B
Similarly, I remember when I slept at Caitlin's house, we all had friends that had, like, cool parents or what we thought were cool parents that didn't really care where you went, what you did. They let you have parties. They let you go to parties. And so mom would call ahead, like, becca's sleeping at your house tonight, right? And the parents would be like, yeah, yeah, they're gonna have a great time. And Caitlin and I and some other people went down to Milwaukee and went to a college party, made bad choices, probably consumed alcohol. I don't remember. Came back to Caitlin's house, slept like nothing happened. Woke up in the morning. Little did I know that somebody else that was at the party with us got caught by their parents, who then called our parents. And mom made me turn myself in to the soccer coach and serve a suspension. And she's like, you don't have to rat out any of your friends. You don't have to snitch, but you will take responsibility for the bad decision you made. And I remember being so resentful. Like, that's not fair. They were there, too. They were there, too. And mom looked me in the face, and she said, their parents don't love you as much as I love you. And I think that's when I say, like, mom and dad had a firm but loving hand. Like, they never made you feel like you couldn't tell them something. Or, like. I mean, we definitely snuck around because we knew what the consequences would be. But I think they always had good intentions. Like, mom was very thoughtful about the punishment. She wasn't like, oh, you're grounded with no cell phone. She's like, the one thing you love is soccer. The one thing that's gonna embarrass you is going to your coach and admitting you messed up. So that's exactly what you're gonna do. And to this day, I think the best thing mom and dad taught me was the phrase, I was wrong, you were right.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, even at the youngest age, they used to say, oh, it's gonna rain today. No, it's not gonna rain today. And it rained. Yeah, I was wrong. You were right. Like, getting us comfortable with saying that, I think has probably been the most subtle skill set that has made me a good leader in my adult life. That I look back, and I can't believe how many people don't admit when they're wrong. And so when I think about all the punishments. When I think about all the music we've faced over the years, I'm like, okay. The little things that they did every day, like admitting you were wrong, apologizing. Thank you. Sorry. You're welcome. Like, those behaviors and those little gestures, I think have probably been the most subtle impact. They played in just how I live my day to day life. But yeah, I definitely remember the time you stole the test and shot fireworks.
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A
Off at the house. I did a lot of bad stuff. People don't realize that I was just a wandering soul that just kind of like to create chaos. I still kind of like to create chaos. I've just figured out how to do it. And not a retaliate against the world kind of a way, but retaliate against the status quo that's been given to people and do it in a way that's, you know, not illegal or not going to get me in trouble. Not that stealing a test is technically illegal from a criminal perspective, but I think one of the things I recognize is how much children pick up from their parents by what they do, not necessarily what they say. And like, even to this day, I remember dad driving to work in snowstorms and saying, the military doesn't get off on a snowstorm. And mom like, oh, it's so unsafe. And you're me on the highway. And he would be the first person at work. He'd be the only person at work on many days. And I look at how I show up today in the world. A lot of those habits, like he would say, in the military, you don't get sick. Like, you don't, you don't get to call in sick. So he would go to work, he would do the thing. And like those little habits we've picked up on and I think we've really embraced. And one of the things I've always been interested to ask you is, you know, you were. You're younger than me. 15 months younger. Most people think you're older because you're more mature and you're smarter and you carry yourself better. But you're younger than me, but you're also as similar as we are in certain ways. We're also very, very different. And so going through school, you were labeled as Matt King's sister. What was that like?
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B
Yeah, I mean, I always thought, for the record, you've always been the smarter one. And I tell people this all the time. Like, I have a hypothesis that a lot of the behaviors you demonstrated when we were younger was a result of being too smart for Your environment, like, looking at a math test and being like, this is stupid. I don't need this. I will never need this. So I'm just not gonna care. Which to me is not a lack of, like, okay, I don't want to do something. It's that your intelligence at the time outweighed your discipline. So now, at this age, you might say, I'm gonna do it because I want to see it through, and that's my goal, and I'm disciplined enough to stick to it. But when you're younger, you're like, this makes no, this. I don't need to know this. Which to me was like, a direct result of you actually being more intelligent than me. And I tell people all the time, like, I went to West Point, went to Georgetown, went to the University of Maryland, have two master's degrees, some would say some of the best schools in the world, to get to where I am. You didn't need any of that. You've taught yourself everything you know. So when people look at us and say, oh, well, Rebecca's always been the smarter one. Yeah, I got an almost perfect score on my act I got into yesterday.
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A
Did you really?
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B
Yeah. All these things. It wasn't because I was smarter. It's because I cared more. It's because I subscribed to society's definition of success at the time, which was going to an Ivy League, which was having those feathers in my cap. But when you look at transparently who I think is the smarter, I always thought it was you, and I still do. So I think to your question about, like, how did it feel to be Matt King's sister? I always thought to myself, you're going to be grossly disappointed because you were always the fun one. Like, you were always the one that people enjoyed being around. You were joking. You were the class clown. You had so many friends, Mr. Popular. So the teacher would be like, oh, you're Matt King sister, aren't you? And I'm like, if you think this is gonna be fun, I am not the fun one. Like, if you want to see an ace on the test, you got your girl. But so I think it just depended on the audience. Like, in our social circles, when people are like, oh, you're Matt King's sister. I think they assumed I'd be, like, this fun, like, class clown person. And then they were like, oh, you're a little more uptight than him. But then in school, they're like, oh, you're Matt King's sister. And then I think they were like, wow, how come this one cares so much about her grades? Um, so I think that. I think it was always just, like, depending on the audience. But I think that in general, we had so many of the same core values. I would say that if you were a bad person or if I thought our moral compasses were misaligned, I would be embarrassed for people to be like, oh, you're Matt King's sister. But instead, I think people had a respect for you. They saw you cared about the kids in the special education program. They saw you helping the kids that were getting bullied. They saw you joking with the teacher that you know is going through something hard at home. Like, they saw your heart and your soul as a good person and a respectable person, despite, you know, all the goofing around or stealing tests or whatever. So to me, it was like, I was never ashamed. I was like, yeah, I am. Yeah. Because even if you say, oh, he goofs around in my class, does he make you smile? Does he make your day a little more exciting? Like, no one could ever be like, oh, you're Matt King, sister. He's a horrible person, and he this and he that. It was always like, that came with an undertone of respect and morals. So, yeah, I think it was always like, something we wore with pride of, like, yeah, we. We're. We're siblings. Like, we had nothing. Yeah, we made mistakes here and there, but generally it also goes back to.
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A
How mom and dad raised us. We were always like a core unit. Like, even if there was a fight in the house that stayed in the house, it was never shown publicly. It was never shown out. Like, if you wanted to do something, we did it. If I wanted to do something, we did it. If they were doing something. I mean, they sacrificed so much for us and they, like, so much for us. And I remember a couple instances. Like, one when you wanted that stupid pony. Was it like Charlie or something? Was his name stupid horse? And I remember a couple days before Christmas, like, you were in your room crying because all you wanted was this horse for Christmas. And I remember going to mom and dad and saying, like, I don't need any presents. Just get her that horse. And little did we both know, they had already gotten the horse. And then in the backyard was this stupid horse on Christmas. It's still a dumb idea. But you got the horse. You had gotten what you want. And they sacrificed for us for you to have that opportunity. But they also ingrained us, like, a very young age. Like, we're a tight knit unit. I Remember when you didn't get into the Air Force Academy and you were devastated?
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B
Oh, I cried for days.
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A
And I remember, like, I. There's one moment I vividly remember you sitting on the couch in the living room. That ugly pink carpet with those ugly white and pink couches, and mom just holding you and you just bawling. And, you know, I'm not one to really want to be in tune with my feelings, so what I do is I just get the fuck out of there and I leave. But I remember, like, being like, I'm gonna call the senator. And like, I didn't even know what a senator was. I was like, I'm gonna call this senator. Because you had to get those nominations and you didn't get the nomination for West Point. I don't remember this exact scenario. But you've. You faced so much adversity. And mom and dad have just instilled in us, like, you just don't quit. You just keep going. You just keep grinding. You just keep pushing. Yeah. I mean, now, today, you look at what you're doing on a day to day basis, and every time people ask me, I can't even answer it, I'm like, you know, she's in Africa. What's she doing in Africa? I'm like, she's either going to be a billionaire or she's going to be dead. Like, I don't know which one. So talk to me a little bit about what seeing the world has done for you. I mean, you've gone to all these different countries, Red Bull, All Star Games, NBA things, Africa. Like, what has seeing the world taught you? Also, keeping in mind what mom and dad have instilled in us.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I think when we were young, I remember mom, maybe I was in fifth grade and we went to parent teacher conferences, and the lady's like, your daughter's gonna be a future Fortune 100 CEO. Like, she has something other kids don't have. And I remember mom just always saying, you guys could be anything you want to be. Dad and I have set you up to be anything you want to be in life. And as I got older, that actually becomes a very scary proposition because when reality hits you of like, you could really do anything and you have to choose your destiny. You have to choose the life you want for yourself, because you can do anything. I could go to medical school tomorrow and be a doctor. I could be a surgeon. I could be a chemist. I could be. I was a nuclear engineer at West Point. I could literally be anything. So now you have Choice. And so for me, I think coming out of West Point, it was like this desperation to see the possibilities. It was like, okay, we were taught from a young age we could be anything. What is anything? Because when you grow up in a small town, your examples of what's possible is very closed. You got a lot of realtors, you got people that work at factories. You've got, you know, the average businessman, the banker. You're not seeing a ton of out of the box options, right? And so I think for me, I was just so thirsty and hungry to see what was possible. Like, what could I be? And, you know, I worked with sports and the athletes at West Point. And so it was a natural progression. I went to Georgetown and got my master's in sports management, which led me to being an agent working with pro athletes. And that was the beginning of seeing a world I never knew existed. I mean, you're going to Magic City in Atlanta and your client's bringing $100,000 in a duffel bag and you're throwing it at naked women at three in the morning on a Thursday. Like, we came from a place that barely had a stoplight. So for me, I was like, whoa, there's so much out here I haven't seen. And so I think seeing the world has not only shown me, like, every possibility. I mean, I've been to the Middle East, Europe, Africa, Asia, all around the US Obviously. And I've just seen so many different types of people, so many different careers, so many different ways you can create the impact you desire. And so I think for me, seeing the world is just about knowing what's possible. Like, without exposure. Your ceiling appears to be what you've taught. It is, you know, what you've been taught that it would be. So, yeah, definitely, seeing the world has been eye opening. It also is very humbling. I think in Africa especially, you just see how humble life could be, how unprivileged certain people are, how even the people that can't put food on their table every day are kind and loving and smile at you. And Mzungu, how are you, like, white person? How are you with a smile on, knowing they're not eating dinner that night? And it just makes you realize, like, okay, how do we recalibrate ourselves in America to say we have so much that people forget? We have, like, we have food banks where you can go get food. We have churches that will feed you. We have running water where you can go to a hose and drink it. Clean water doesn't exist in so many parts of the world. So, you know, I think it showed me the very highest of the high. I've been with sheikhs, I've been with rulers, I've been with presidents, I've been with pro athletes. But I've also been with communities that literally have nothing. And so then evaluating, okay, where is my place in this world? How do I reach my full potential, but do it in a way that impacts those people that I can. And I think that's what Africa has taught me. But it's also just opportunity. Like, you put really smart people with a lot of exposure in places that need innovation, need investment, you're going to find success that other people don't have the experience to find. So we also see opportunity. And that's what keeps you excited. That's what keeps me excited about some of those places is, like, we can use what we know to make impact, but also in doing so, generate wealth, generate a living, you know, a legacy. All those things.
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A
But you talked about earlier, like, people often judge just by the end result. Like, they see the finish and like, oh, wow, she was made to go to Africa and do all this crazy stuff. She was made to sponsor that, be the representative for that athlete that was sponsored by Red Bull and be in the Red Bull car in another country or do all these cool things. But how did you keep going forward in the face of all the adversity you've been met with? Whether it was the acl, whether it was West Point, whether it was the Air Force Academy, like, there's just so many times where I feel like the odds have been stacked against you and you haven't quit.
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B
Yeah, I think two things, my two biggest fears in life are being broke and failing. So I think a lot of it is driven by fear. I would love to say, like, oh, I'm just that disciplined, and I just have that much tenacity. But I think at West Point, they teach us, or they taught us that adversity builds a muscle in you. And science has shown in soldiers, they've done a lot of research, that the more adversity you face, the more resilient you become. It's literally like working out. And so I think over time, you do build certain emotional muscles, certain psychological muscles that help you face adversity with better perspective. But also you're running from your fear at the same time because you're like, oh, shit, okay, West Point didn't work out. Now what am I going to do? I can't go back home. I can't Be broke. What am I gonna do? Okay, I'm gonna go to Georgetown. All right? Now I'm gonna be with pro athletes. Okay? Now I'm gonna evolve and do this thing. Now I'm gonna evolve.
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A
Dude, you're a bottle service girl or something? Yeah. In D.C. yes.
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B
The only white girl in the club. And I'll never forget, somebody walked in. These white family walked into the club, and the girls were like, your parents are here. And I got so excited, and I turned around, I was like, f, you guys. It was just a random white family, but yeah, I mean. Cause it was just like, I didn't want to be broke and I didn't want to fail. And again, when mom and dad say you can do anything, you learn very quickly you can do anything to make money. Coming from the guy who ran a sports book out of the locker room of a country club, I think we were very resourceful, our parents. We didn't grow up with a lot. We weren't wealthy. We were middle to lower middle class, I would say. And I remember mom and dad would give us certain things, you know, within our budget. But if we wanted more, it was on us. I worked at a Chinese restaurant. You ran a sports book out of a country club locker room. I went on to grad school. You worked at a silk screening company. I was a bottle girl dressed in practically nothing, prancing around with firecrackers coming out of Champagne bottles at 4am in D.C. but it was like we wanted more, and the only way we were going to get it is if we worked for it. And then it's like, but why not me? And I think that's the question that I literally ask myself every day. Why not me? And I think you do too. It's like, okay, I want to buy a ranch. Why not? Okay, I want to be a bottle girl. I can make $5,000 a week. Why not? You know, I want a bike from Mexico to Canada. Why not? And so I think that when you ask yourself, why not? And you don't have a good reason, you have no choice but to do it.
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A
Like, you can't.
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B
You're like, why not? Well, there's no reason not to. And so then you just are like, I guess I just. I'm gonna do it.
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A
So I think the other thing is, is like, you know, you say your. Your biggest fears are being broke and failing, but I think deep down, if we really both had to look at our lives, we know failure is not an option. Like, we just have something inside of us. That we know the only way we fail is if we quit. And we both know that we're not going to quit.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so like when you ask yourself the question of why not me? Oftentimes you're faced with like, well, if you fail, then what are you going to do? But we, like, yeah, we might wrestle with that for a moment. But then we both intuitively, deep down, whether it was nature or nurture, know that we aren't going to quit, we aren't going to stop, we aren't going to fail. Right. But at the same time, there's a lot of people that would look at your life and say, okay, yeah, why not you? But how the hell did you get there? So how, how, how would you say you got there?
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B
I would say it's a quality that both of us have and it's audacity. Like I think in my head all the time or people say in America it's such a phrase like the audacity, you know, when somebody asks for an extra serving or somebody cuts a line off. The audacity. So many things in life and people who have gotten ahead is because they have the audacity to believe that they can. And I think that was always or that continues to be. My mindset is like, I can be a single white woman in Nigeria by myself that does multimillion dollar transactions. I can be a charitable person who donates X, Y and Z every year. I can be somebody who flies to seven countries in one week. Like, because I have the audacity to believe that I can. And I think that I would say it's the same or similar mindset that you have is like, I think that I look around at people who don't have things and I draw it to usually three things, right? They're lazy, they're incompetent, or they're actually incapable. Right. And I've always. One of my tenants of leadership is like, you can't fix stupid. I firmly believe that you can't fix stupid, you can't fix lazy. And those are two things we don't have. We're very smart. As we've touched on at the beginning of this, we're not lazy. We're very self motivated, very intrinsically motivated. So those are qualities that separate the cream from the rest. Right. Because the majority of the population is either lazy and complacent or literally don't have the competence to do something. Like, they could never. And I think it's become such a cultural thing is like, she could never, she could never be me. He could never be me. Some of them really couldn't. Like, some of them really couldn't. You haven't left the country. You don't have a passport. You could never be me. You haven't been in a Muslim country where you've had to wrap your head and be respectful and learn their customs. You could never be me. And so I think it's like a lot of, a lot of that builds into this audacity of like, I know I'm smart, I know I'm competent, I know I'm capable. And like you said, whether it's nature or nurture, I'm not lazy. Like, I'm gonna do what it takes. I'm gonna get up when I'm in the us I wake up at two in the morning because my office in Africa is awake. How many people are gonna do that? Like, my office is open this week because the Middle east is open this week. How many 34 year old people are gonna come and see their family and still do that is like, you just, you have no choice. You're like, okay, if I have the capability, the competence, the intelligence to do it, God gave me these things. Who am I to waste what God has given me, right? And I think it's the same with you as like mom and dad always, always, like when you have a new idea, right? It's like they think I'm going to, I'm going to agree with them, right? Like, like you said, we have always had this family unit. So mom will call me and be like, did you hear what your brother's doing now? I'm like, no, I haven't. What's up? Like, I'm halfway around the world. What's up? He's going to ride a bike from Canada to Mexico. I'm like, I think it's Mexico to Canada. Yeah, well, same thing. Becca, what do you think about it? And I'm like, why not? And she's like, what do you mean? I'm like, I mean, who am I to judge? I live in Africa by myself, in a country where, quite frankly, Americans are not super welcome right now. Who am I to look at him and say, yeah, that's a worse choice than what I've made, or that's more dangerous than what I'm doing. Or he doesn't have the ability or the free will or the like again, I know you can do it. I know you're physically capable. I know you're mentally capable. I know you have the resources to do it. So why Not. And then mom and dad are like, well, again, that question of why not him? Why not him? Like, yeah, you know, So I think. I think that's been. That's kind of been it for me. But I feel like you similarly had a lot of adversity. But earlier in life, like, I think I always tell mom and dad that the underdog concept of Matt King was, like, our whole childhood, outside of soccer and wrestling, I was clearly the front runner. As we touched on earlier, I was the good grades, humble one, too. I was in, you know, I was like a volunteer. I was National Honor Society. I was a mathlete. I was on the math team.
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A
All of these two MBAs, college degree. Keep going.
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B
And so until I tell mom all the time, until age, like, 24, from the outside looking in, Rebecca King had it figured out. She went to West Point and Georgetown, and she was working at some big sports agency in D.C. on the Hill, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then after that, I feel like once you found yourself and the right opportunity, met the right moment in your life, like, the right place, the right time, the right people, all those things, you always had the agency to be great again. I think a lot of it when we were young is you were just bored to death, and you were like, I'm not doing this. This is boring, and I'm miserable. And I know I'm meant for more than this, but for you, like, all those years of me being the face of what I would say, the greatness in the family, humble and great.
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A
Humble.
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B
Like, how did you push through? Like, what were the things that made you, like, stick in it and believe in yourself long enough to find that opportunity and hold it and take advantage of it?
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A
I would say there's a lot of moments where I didn't believe in myself. Like, there was a lot of moments where I doubted it. I dropped out of college. I was embarrassed. I was ashamed. But ultimately, what kept me going more than anything, like, obviously, our family was. Was important, too, but it was, like, the people I was surrounded by. Like, I recognized at a young age that you kind of become who you're around. I didn't know this whole concept of you are the sum of the five people you spend the most time with. Like, I didn't. I didn't know that. But we were fortunate to be around, like, really cool people, like, really good people. Yeah, we got into trouble. Yeah, we did stupid stuff, but they were, like, good people, and. And they, like, cared about us. I mean, I remember Culver's with the Olsens Like, I just remember all of these amazing moments with people that, like, truly loved us and truly cared about us outside of our family. And I was just like, well, if those people see something in me, like, there's. There ought to be something here, like, I should just keep trying and keep looking and keep trying and keep looking. And then getting into the country club, working in the shoe room, which is not this glamorous job that everybody thinks it is. You just see a bunch of naked old men spraying sunscreen on the ground and bitching that they're going to slip on their cleats. Like, it's not a fun job, but, like, kind of seeing, like, they're no different than usual. Yeah, they put their socks on, they put their shoes on, they complain, they smile, they laugh, they learn, they ask questions. Okay. They keep going, like, okay, there's nothing different about that human than me. And then I think really, the two sort of catalysts for me that kind of pushed it to the next level was one, losing Craig, like, one of my best friends. It was me, Kevin and Craig did so much together. And seeing like, oh, my gosh, this is like the healthiest, most athletic, best looking, most talented. Like, if you. If you said, like, who's the most likely to succeed? It was like, Craig, like, either he'll be a professional soccer player, he'll be the bachelor, or he'll be a multi millionaire from business. Like, take your choice. He's got all the options. And it was like he was gone like that. And I was like, oh, if. If life can go that fast to somebody that could literally run five miles in less than 35 minutes, I'm like, oh, okay, then it could happen to me. And then also, obviously, meeting Melissa, like, finding a significant other that believed in me outside of our family, like, I think at some point you kind of start to go, okay, mom and dad, sure you believe in me. Okay, Becca, sure you believe in me. Was like, you're just saying that because you love me. You're just saying that because you're supposed to. And then it was like, oh, this. This other human, this other. This other girl that actually is telling me I can do things or I should do things and I should go explore and I should try things I say all the time. If it weren't for Melissa saying she was moving to D.C. to teach in the inner city schools, my ass would still be in Grafton, Wisconsin. Like, there is no question in my mind I was not leaving that place. And there's nothing wrong with it. It's Actually, a really beautiful place outside of the winter. It's a great place to raise a family. It's a great place to have friends. Great golf around there. Like, it's a really good place to live. But if it weren't for her and her having the courage, like, I wouldn't have gotten out of there. Like, I would have just stayed and been fine and, like, life would have been good. It would have been. There would have been no problems. But I think for me, it's always been just sort of somebody showing up at the right time or something showing up at the right time, and then, you know, finally recognizing, like, the permission was never going to come. Like, I always thought the permission was going to come, that I could be a National Honor Society kid, or, like, the permission was going to come, that I was going to be able to pass the AP class because Becca was in ap And I'm supposed to take AP and all my friends are in ap. I remember I failed the AP Psych exam. Mom made me repay for the exam. It was like, $185. I missed three pages on the damn exam. I didn't even fill out three pages on it. Because I was so eager to get out of that stupid test that I flew through the test. I was the first person done. And then I just wandered the hallways until my friends finished. And then all my friends were talking about the questions, and I was like, I didn't have that question. I didn't have that. I'm like, I must have got a different test. We got the results back. I missed three pages of questions, right? But I also was around the right people that didn't say, like, oh, you're a failure. Oh, you suck. Oh, you're never gonna make it. Like, yeah, people made fun of me, and we joked about it, but it was like, you're just the kind of kid that's gonna go so fast, you're gonna miss three pages on the test. Like, life's gonna move on. It's okay. And I faced the consequences. I had to pay for that stupid exam. I didn't get the college credits. But it's all about just surrounding yourself with the right people. The right people have always showed up for me at the right time, Whether it's family, whether it's friends, whether it's Pat Hyben, David O. List. Like, just. There's always been somebody that just kind of landed sort of in my lap, for lack of better terms. That's just kind of been like, oh, that was the little nugget. I Needed or that was a little piece of wisdom I needed, you know? But what's fascinating to me is, you know, you look at your life, you've done all these things, gone all these crazy places. You look at my life. I've done a lot of crazy stuff. Like, and mom and dad always raised us to know that we could do whatever we wanted. But regardless of what we want, mom and Dad's first answer is always no. Yeah, like, I, I, I sell, I tell people, like, it's, it's like my parents, at first they hate it or the idea or me. Then they doubt it or me or the idea. And then all of a sudden, like, they join the team, right? So, like, even talk about the bike ride. I called dad and I was like, yeah, I think next year I'm gonna ride my bike. He's like, oh, do you even have a bike? I'm like, yeah, it's hanging on the wall in the garage. Oh, where are you gonna ride to? I'm like, I think I'm starting Mexico and end in Canada. Like, that's a terrible idea. You'll never be able to do that.
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B
Don't you have a bad Achilles?
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A
Do you know how far that is? Do you know how sore your butt's gonna be? Oh, no, that's a terrible idea. Like, okay, cool. And then I kept talking about it, kept talking about it, kept talking about it. And it's just like, you'll never be able to do that. You won't be able to do it in 15 days. It's going to take you way longer than that, right? No, that's not possible. And now all of a sudden, it's like, can I ride in the rv? You need somebody to drive with you? Can we bring Grandma? I'm like, oh, okay. So hated it, doubted it. Now you bought into it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, and I think you've seen the same in your life. Hated it, doubted it, bought into it. What makes you keep going when the hate is there or the doubt is there besides the why not me?
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B
I think a lot of times I chalk it up to that lack of exposure to some extent. Like, I love mom and dad, but mom and dad didn't leave the country, I don't think, ever.
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A
They didn't have their passports until like two years ago.
- [40:21]
B
Right. So I think part of it is I have to reground myself in things they've seen and been exposed to versus things we've seen and been exposed to. And they've always said they wanted us to have better lives. Than they ever had go more all those things. And now we have. But the result of that is that we have more visibility to what's possible than they maybe do. I also think that. I think they probably think to themselves sometimes, like, holy shit, our kids. Those kids. Like, these kids are our kids. Because you see the scientists curing cancer. You see guys on Wall street raising a Series A for $100 million as a startup, you see all these people, and they feel so far away. And then when they're in your house on Thanksgiving, you're like, oh, shit, they are those kids. So I think part of it is I just remind myself, like, I've seen what's possible maybe more than they have. Part of it is we know who we are and have accepted it and embraced it because we live in it every day. But I think for sometimes, for them, it's still hard for them to believe that, like, they really raised these kids. Like, they've really raised these young people that can do anything. So I think that's part of it. But also I think it's like knowing them right? Like, that's just how they are. They've been that way our whole lives. And I think part of why they challenge us is to make sure we've thought it through. And that gets back to my earlier point about, like, they still parent. I don't think they always ask questions or doubt us with the intention of doubting us. I think they're genuinely curious and concerned. Have we really thought it through? Like, when I said to mom and dad, I'm gonna move to Nigeria and see how it goes. Dad was like, is it safe? Do you have security? How much is it gonna cost? Do you have money saved? Like, but what if this, but what if that, but what if this? And I never allowed myself to believe that he doubted that I could do it. I think he wanted to make sure that I had done the rigor. Because we are so brave. They raised us to be brave. They raised us to go for it. They raised us to do the impossible. And sometimes I feel like they feel like, okay, we just gotta pull that leash back a little bit and make sure. Like, did you really think this through? Like, we believe in you, but have you thought about all of the things? And once we assure them that we have and once we show them, yes, I have an rv. I have a medic. I have a guy who's fixing my bike. Yes, I have a driver, I have a chef, I have security. And you show them there's a plan in place. It gives them confidence because they're like, okay, you've. You've thought this through. You know what you're doing, blah, blah, blah. They still don't have to agree with us, but I think they end up at least supporting us. So I think, you know, I try to just, like, put myself in other people's shoes. I don't treat them any different than I would, you know, my friends or my colleagues or my staff. Like, if somebody thinks about something negatively or doubts something, you have to always put yourself in their shoes. Like, why are they scared of what success looks like? Do they not know? Are we charting unfamiliar territory for them that makes them uncomfortable? And how do I get them to where I am? How do I help them see it from my perspective, just like I need to see it from theirs? And then, you know, meet in the middle?
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A
But, yeah, and it's not done from a place of, like, doubt. More than anything. It's done from a place of, like, love and care and want to keep you safe.
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B
Yeah. But sometimes it feels like judgment.
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A
Oh, it's always judgment. It doesn't feel like it is judgment.
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B
So does, like, huh.
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A
I remember. I remember when we were. We were talking about building our. Our house in Austin. That's, like, terrible idea, Michael. You said that about the house we bought, too. Well, yeah, but you got. You got lucky once. You're not gonna get lucky twice. Like, okay, then we built the house. And I remember standing in the living room, he's up on the screen on the tv showing me where to move walls and how to do stuff. I'm like, dad, this a. This is a track home builder. We can't modify stuff. Well, I wouldn't put the wall there. And I would. I'm like, dude, I can't modify. It doesn't matter what you would do.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then when it was like, hey, we're gonna buy a ranch, like, I wouldn't do that. Bad idea. Oh, yeah. I'm going to move to Austin. Bad idea. I'm going to go to DC With Melissa. Terrible idea. Like, it's. And. But it's not judgment from, I don't love you. It's judgment from a. Like, I'm going to judge that this puts you at a risk of being unsafe. And my job as a parent is to keep you safe and love you, so I'm just going to judge you. And that's, like, just kind of what they do. Like that. And that's okay. I don't. I don't hate them for that. I actually like, love. I'm annoyed as shit by that, but I actually love them for it. I appreciate that. Because they also always lead with curiosity. I mean, like, to your point, dad asks a lot of questions. Mom asks a lot of questions. Grandma asks a lot of questions. You ask a lot of questions. Like, so it's not judgment from, like, you're an idiot. Don't do that. It's just like, that's a bad idea. How are you going to pay for that? What are you going to do if it doesn't work out? Yeah, what happens if you get hurt? Do you have security? Like, it's. It's done from a place of curiosity.
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B
Right.
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A
If you look back on our lives, what is the biggest fight we had that you remember?
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B
You and me? Oh, vividly. I don't remember why we were fighting, but I remember we were chasing each other around the house, and I eventually threw a cookie at you and hit you in the eye.
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A
And, like, I was blind for a week.
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B
Yeah. Like, literally, you couldn't see for a day or something. And I can't remember what it was that we were fighting about, but I was just like, I was always the aggressive person. I still am. Like, I'm very intense. I'm very type.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, I'm an. When I want to be. And I think that I turn the volume up faster than you do. Like, I'm like, I'll take it from 0 to 100 very quickly. And you're much more laid back. You're much more like, why are we yelling? What are we doing here? And so I can, like, remember a lot of times when we were fighting, I was the aggressor because for whatever, you would taunt me. And you still do taunt people. Like, you give grandma shit. You give all of a shit. Like, you've always known your way with words, and you have such a good sense of people that you could say certain things. And you knew exactly how I would react and you would get. My mom would always say, he's just trying to get a rise out of you. Don't give him the satisfaction. He's just trying. And I'm like, I'm gonna make him fucking pay. And I'd scre. You know, run around the house. And so I do remember that. I do remember throwing the cookie at you and hitting you in the eye. I also remember one time I smacked your back so hard that my handprint was on your back for, like, a day. But what do you remember?
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A
I remember the cookie one, but for some reason, like, One of us was chasing the other with a knife. At one point in that fight, I think it was you. I think you went knife to cookie that you're like, I'm not gonna stab you, but I'm gonna.
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B
Why are you chasing me with a knife? I'm like, I'm gonna fucking kill you.
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A
I don't even. Like, I don't even remember why we were fighting. And I'm pretty confident. Like, I wasn't retaliating. I was just running for my life.
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B
Yes. And then as soon as you turned around.
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A
Yeah. You threw a cookie. I don't even know. And I remember it was a Chips Ahoya, one of those super hard chips.
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B
With the M&M's in it.
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A
Thing just disintegrated in my eye. But I remember just like a lot of, like, little stupid, like, piddly fights and. But that was the one I remember is like you went from knife to cookie. And I don't remember any weapons I ever had. I don't remember any. I don't remember any of the weapons that. That were used by me in that situation. But I do remember, like, as much of, like. Like the times we laugh at, like, looking back, how mad we would get at each other, but then looking at, like, Lorraine, the babysitter. Every Thursday was Friday, and she would take us for French fries at McDonald's after school. Or we'd have the movie nights with milkshakes with mom and dad. And dad would we that creepy old man mask and stand outside the window like a freak. Which now that creepy old man mask is in the truck at the ranch in the front pasture.
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B
Correct.
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A
He has to show the kids that he has lights and fills his hands with straw or, you know, like the wizard of Oz, the flying monkeys. We were freaked out by that. Dad had a super freaked out by that. But we always. We always kind of like, even if we fought, we always came back as like a sort of like core nucleus and like a core. But I was. I was thinking the other day, because, you know, we have three children. Ryland's convinced you're going to have twins. You know, you don't have a husband or a boyfriend or anything, but she's convinced you're going to have twins. And I was thinking through, like, what. What toxic trait do I have that I was given to by how I was raised? What would you say yours was? Like, what, what toxic trait? Or what. What thing do you wish you could change that you were given or was imprinted on you from a young age that you still, to this day carry.
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B
I would say two things to your point about health. Like, I've always struggled with, like, staying fit, staying healthy, but I think a lot of it is genetics. Like, people always tell me you're built just like your dad, which, if I wanted to be a thicker person, that would be great. But it's a constant battle to keep off weight. And then I think on, like, the personality side, I definitely have a temper. I've, like, worked on it significantly over, like, from the time I was at West Point until now, and, you know, gone through coaching, gone through, you know, all of these exposure to resources to help me have less of a temper. But like I said, I still. There are days when, like, I go from 0 to 100. I have almost no patience. Like, I'm not patient at all.
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A
Would you say you're more like mom or dad?
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B
Probably dad.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. And I've always. Don't you think you're more like Mom?
- [50:21]
A
Yeah, I would say most of me is more like Mom. I would say there's a. There's some components of dad, but I would say, like, you and dad are like twins. Like, you're. You're like clones of each other. It's, like, very scary to watch because you guys, like, both come to the house, and the first thing both of you say is, like, the dog needs a bath. She smells terrible. I'm like, dude, get a life.
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B
She does.
- [50:43]
A
She did Marley's diapers dirty. Dad's like, oh, I need a Kleenex for Marley's nose. And you're like, I need a Kleenex. I'm like, dude, you guys are the exact same human being. Yeah. And I would say, yeah, I'm probably more like mom, but there's definitely some. Some stuff that I have, like, the competitive nature. Mom doesn't have a competitive bone in her body.
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B
No, it means nothing.
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A
But I'm winning.
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B
Means nothing.
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A
No, but I'm a very competitive person. I think that comes from dad for sure. Yeah, I'm probably more of a. A little bit more of a blend. I would say I'm, like, 65 mom, 35 dad. I'd say you're like, 97 dad, 3% mom.
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B
But I feel like, as a parent, do you see more of Mom's traits coming through you when you, as you parent your kids?
- [51:29]
A
No, I. Well, if I thought about the good moments, then, yeah, I would say it's more of Mom, But I definitely have a short temper like dad, and that's something I'm trying to Work on. Like, dad used to snap at us. Like, he would just snap.
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B
Like, shut up. Remember when we took our plates from the living room to the kitchen, and if your fork fell off the plate on the way into the kitchen. Idiot.
- [51:52]
A
Yeah, idiot.
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B
Or one time I dropped my water, and it spilled all over the hallway, and it was just water.
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A
Yeah.
- [51:57]
B
He's like, damn it, Becca, you idiot.
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A
Yeah.
- [51:59]
B
And Mom's like, it's okay. Just get a towel. It's just water. It's not a big deal. He's like, you just got to pay attention. And I think, like, that's kind of in both of us. But do you ever attribute some of your patients to, like, the sheer number of things you do in a day? Like, do you ever just feel tired and, like.
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A
Yeah, for sure.
- [52:21]
B
You're like, I'm. I'm too fudgeing tired for this?
- [52:23]
A
No, I think. I think it's. I think there's definitely a level of. It's not necessarily tiredness, but it's like decision fatigue. I think that's a real thing that a lot of people face but they don't recognize is they're forced to make so many decisions in a day. All the way from what time do I get up, to what do I wear, to what am I going to do at work, to how am I going to answer this? To how am I going to do that? Then when they get home, it's more decisions. And so I think for me, it's more of a decision fatigue of, like, now I have to decide, am I going to fight them to brush their teeth, or am I just going to let them watch five more minutes of the Thundermans and then go to bed? Or, like, you know, it's so. It's like decision fatigue for me more than anything. But I definitely. Most of in the good moments, I can definitely be more like, mom, it's just water. Who cares? Just a cup. Who cares? Do whatever. Like, I don't care. But in, like, the intense, like, hostage negotiations, I'm definitely like, dad, like, yeah, I could snap.
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B
Well, I told Melissa the other day, we were at your house, and one of the kids was just being a toddler. I mean, I think all kids are like that. Like, she was just, you know, talking back or whatever. And Melissa handled it with so much grace, so much poise, kept her patience. You could hear her getting frustrated in her voice, but, like, she was staying calm and handling it as she saw fit. And later that night, I looked at Melissa, I was like, how do you do it? She goes, what? I said, you know how badly I wanted to grab that kid and be like, who the fuck are you talking to? And she's like, what? I said, how do you. How do you. Because I am like. And people ask me all the time, do you want kids? And I'm like, do you see my life? Like, I'm flying business class all around the world. And then I come to Matt's house and the kids are, you know, fighting to brush their teeth and all these things. And part of it is like, there's. I just don't have that, like, strong maternal instinct. But the other part of it is like, I see those moments where I'm just like, oh, I would snap. There's no way you're not gonna talk to me. Are you outta your mind? And it's not right or wrong. It's just our personalities, I think, predispose us to reaction. And I, like I said, don't have a lot of patience. So I was like, melissa, how did you do that? She's like, you know, you just, you get used to it like this. They're just kids. And I'm like, I know. But she knew what she was doing. And Melissa's like, I know. Yeah, she did. I'm like, I would have. I so badly wanted to step in and be like, who are you talking to? Why are you talking to your mother like that? And, like, stick up for Melissa. But at the same time, like, it's not going to help. It's not going to get anywhere. Right. So I, Yeah, I give you a lot of credit. I see what you mean, though. It's like, you're. I can't imagine working the way that I work all day and then coming home and like, keeping people alive. Like, it's not an easy task.
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A
Yeah. But it's not. I. I would say the, the hardest thing about it is not losing yourself through it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And that's probably like the most fun for me. And it's. You know, people will say that I'm crazy for waking up as early as I do or doing all the stuff I do in a day, but it's, it's about not losing my identity through also learning the identity of being a husband or being a father or being a leader, doing all these other things and wearing all these different caps. And, you know, I look at what mom and dad did again, like, you know, they're gonna. Their heads are gonna explode after this. They're gonna feel so good about themselves. But dad would go to work, go to the Gym super early. Then he would go to work and then he would be there for soccer practice at 5:30. Yeah, we'd practice soccer, get in the car, get yelled at the whole entire way home from soccer because whatever everybody did at practice was always my fault. It was my. I was the wrong. We'd get home, we'd have dinner, they'd be there for bed. He'd cut the grass. Like there was just. There was always stuff going on. He was always up early on Saturdays washing the car, cutting the grass, cleaning the gutters, doing all like. There was just. They just always had a full life. And so it doesn't. I can't think of anything other than a full life. It's just like, almost like an addiction of just like, oh, my gosh, there's blank space in the calendar. What should we do? Let's do something. Gobundance is a community of over 800 high performers, entrepreneurs and investors with a combined net worth of over $5.7 billion. But look, it's not just about the money. We're about building lives of abundance. If you're ready for a tribe that challenges you to achieve a higher standard for yourself, visit gobundance.com tribe that's G O b u n d A N C E.com T R I B e To apply today.
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B
Tell mom all the time that, you know, addiction runs in our family. Mom's dad was an alcoholic. Dad's both parents were alcoholics. His sisters are alcoholics. Addiction to me is very much like a predisposed, you know, genetically. Do you feel that addiction and you manifests a certain way?
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A
Yeah, for sure. I think I have a very, very, very addictive personality. I've just gotten very lucky that we've seen the dark side of addiction to the wrong things and we've seen how it's broken families and broken people. And so I've just made a. A dramatic extreme choice to be like, I'm never gonna do that thing, right? But I think if you look at who I am and how I'm wired, I'm a very addictive person with a very low sense of patience and a very low desire to wait for things. So it's just like I get my mind on something. It's like, how fast can I make this a reality? But then I obsess and almost am, like, addicted to like, I've got to get this done. I've got to get this done. I've got to get this done. I've got to get this done. Yeah. But I think I've just found ways to channel that. It's like, no different than add, adhd, whatever. Like, the ability to be easily distracted and manage all these things. I was given that gift whether I was ever given the label or not. That's what allows me to juggle all the things I'm like, my brain just works that way. Like, I'm okay having chaos and having a lot of things going on, and I can still hold a lot of things in my brain and be like, okay, cool. I can still sit here present, but also think about this and this and this and this and this. But for sure, addiction is very, very, very, very, very, like, deeply rooted in our genetics are in our family, in the culture that we were around from a family unit, not our parents, thankfully.
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B
Right.
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A
But I've just found ways to channel that addiction in. In ways that serve me, not ways that hurt me.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think for me, it's all about, like, finding that addictive peace that brings me more life or more joy or more energy, rather than that helps me escape from whatever I'm trying to face. And I think a lot of people find. Find their addiction as an escape mechanism of like, ooh, that's a bad day. Let me hit the bottle. Ooh, that's a bad day. Let me do this. And for me, it's all been like, oh, it's a bad day. Let me go hyper obsessed about the next thing or the next vision or the next plan or the next Longhorn or the next child. Or, like, I'll go hyper obsessed about something else that keeps me distracted.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Wouldn't you say you're the same?
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B
I think I'm less intense when it comes to those things. Like, I definitely set goals and I definitely chase them. But I think repeated failures over the course of my lifetime have taught me an acceptance that things may not go the way that I want them to every time that I didn't have when I was younger. I would say when I was younger, I was definitely more like, I could see the addiction manifest more in things that I did. Now I'm like, more of, okay, I'm gonna give this everything and my personality allow. Like, addictive personalities often lead to discipline. So to your point, if you channel it properly, it can manifest in what looks like discipline from the outside. Right. Like, I'm addicted to the gym. Most people are like, oh, you go to the gym every morning at 4am to them, it looks like discipline, which some of it it is, but it's also addiction. It's also that Obsessive desire to continue to do something that brings you gratification or the outcomes you desire. Right. So I think I am a little bit. Maybe not as intensely as you are, but I would definitely say my addictions have manifested or, like, my tendency to be addicted to things has manifested mostly in money. Like, there are very few lines I wouldn't cross to make money.
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A
I know that about you.
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B
Like, I am very, very driven by money. And I think as I've gotten older, I've had to force myself to prioritize what I want in life and putting myself in control of what I want in life. Because I've found myself many times over the years giving up control of my life or being in situations that weren't healthy or where I didn't get the respect I needed at work because of how much I got paid. And I think a lot of people are in similar situations. You know, they go to a job they hate because they have to pay the bills, or they work for a boss that disrespects them because they have no choice. But over time, I came to the realization I do have a choice. And so it was like, okay, yes, this person is offering to pay you $50,000 a month. And the addiction in me would be like, yes, I need that money. I need that money. Not want. I need, need that money. But through over time and coaching and all of those things, working on myself, I was able to say, rebecca, I know you need that money, but can you get it somewhere else? Can you use your own agency, your own decision, your own autonomy to find a different way to get it? And I think that's, like, the evolution of, you know, now channeling. Okay, I'm obsessed. I'm addicted to getting money. How do I make sure that I protect my health in that process? How do I make sure I spend time with my family in that process? Like, the number of times people are like, oh, you don't see your family very often, I'm like, I just gotta get this thing done, and then I'll move back. And then all this and then, and then, and then. And to your point about Craig and others we've lost along the way, there is no end then. And I think 2025 was really my year of, like, I cut off a lot of people. I was very intentional about coming back. I got an apartment here two minutes from your house, because I had to force myself to say, the money will always be there. We might not be, Our parents might not be, our grandmother might not be. And so that has probably been like the biggest tug of war for me. And I'm sure you face the same. It's like you want to train for these things. You want to get up at 4am but you also know for every action, there's a reaction. For every hour you spend on this is an hour you're not spending on that. And sometimes those trade offs are hard. Sometimes, especially as a parent, as a husband, like, I'm fortunate. I think I'm fortunate in a sense of, like, it's just me. So the trade off is me and my, like, you guys, my family. But I'm not staying at the office till 9am and missing my kids bedtime. I'm not, you know, waking up at 4am and not waking up next to my husband. Like. Like, I'm not sacrificing those things at this point in my life. But I mean, do you feel. Do you ever feel that tug of war in your life of like, some of those obsessions or goal setting can almost make you feel guilty because you're trading off other things for it?
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A
Yeah, absolutely. But I always justify it by looking back at the things that dad taught us with his actions, not his words.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm like, yeah, I would love to be home every day for breakfast and take the kids to school. But I also think that there's something that the kids are learning, whether it's good or bad, I don't know, by watching me get up really early, work out and be gone before they wake up. Will I regret it someday? I mean, I'm not really one to live with regrets. I think I have the chance to do it different now, and I'm not doing it different. I mean, we're gonna make some small tweaks in our life by moving to the ranch, which is where I'll work. And so, like, I'll be able to have some of that flexibility.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I mean, I. I think. I think our actions are the greatest predictor of how in line with our word, we're living. Like. Like, are we living in. In our word? And I think I can't look at my kids and say, you have to be disciplined, you have to work hard, you have to do all these things and then just screw off and, you know, be late.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think I can use as many words as I want for. For our kids to try to get them to learn concepts, but my actions are always going to be the loudest thing. So, you know, I don't. Yeah, I'm definitely. I'm definitely pulled at Times. I definitely feel guilty at times. I mean, the other day I had to travel for work and I was going to be gone for one night, which I try not to be gone, but sometimes I'm gone. And if I'm gone, I try to limit it as much as I can. And Bodhi was, like, just having a total meltdown. Like, I don't want you to go. I don't want you to go. I don't want you to go. I don't want you to go. And so I struggled with that. I was like, well, I have to go. And then I'm like, well, I don't really have to go. I need to go. I don't really need to go. I could cancel this, but I don't want to cancel it. I think this is an important me. Like, so you struggle with that back and forth. Yeah. But ultimately I. I wrestle and. And end with like, there's going to be moments in his life where he's going to have to make a hard decision. And I want him to feel confident in, like, dad made hard decisions and didn't always do what, you know, was the easy choice. And I'm grateful for that. So that's kind of how I justify it in my mind.
- [66:23]
B
Yeah. Do you think that when Melissa took the leap of Faith, moved to D.C. and you came with her, that she knew she was marrying the man you are today?
- [66:35]
A
No, I don't think Melissa thought she was gonna marry me. Really. I think she. I think she liked me and I think she would even say she loved me at the time. But Melissa is a very calculated human being. So if you would have said, like, are you gonna marry him? She'd been like, maybe, but I don't know. Like, she's not. She's not like a very. Like, decisive is the wrong word. But if you think about dinner, for instance, it's like, what do you want to have for dinner? There's like, a lot of, like, hemming and hawing and trying to figure out, like, what's the right thing. What's in the fridge, what's in the freezer? Yes.
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B
Like, yeah.
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A
So I think when we moved to D.C. i mean, I remember, like, vividly we were at the cupcake shop in Florida on her spring break, and she's like, I'm gonna go teach in these inner city schools at D.C. i'm like, great, I'll come with you. She' I didn't invite you. I was like, I didn't ask to be invited. I'm coming with.
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B
Right.
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A
And There was a lot of hard moments when we first moved there that I think, you know, she. She loved me and, like, was interested in the idea of being married, but I don't think she could look you in the eye and say 100%. While I was on Coppin State and he was in that shitty apartment on Johns Hopkins campus, I knew without a shadow of a doubt I was going to marry that person. Now I think, you know, looking back, it's easy to say, like, oh, we knew we were going to get married. But I think in those moments, it's not as hard, it's not as easy. Yeah, I don't. I think I've definitely evolved from that initial version of me. I think I'm still evolving. I think we go through these seasons of life, these phases where it's like a tree. We shed leaves, grow new ones. Shed leaves, grow new ones. Some of the evolutions or some of the growth is for the better and some of it is for the worse. And that's kind of what leads to growth and conflict and transformation and evolution of relationships and friends and family. Like, all those things. I think I used to be much more willing to be social than I am today. And I think that's probably the one thing she would maybe say. Like, he used to be more like, yes, man and social, and now I'm kind of like, no, I don't want to go to that thing. Like, we have a group of friends that we have this running joke with. Every time the. The wives plan a get together for the families, there's always this joke that I'm gonna have a longhorn auction to go to. Because one of the times they all got together, I went for like 15 minutes. I was like, oh, we're getting a cow delivered. I have to go.
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B
Yeah.
- [68:56]
A
And I wasn't there. Now I literally did have to get a cow delivered. It should have taken 20 minutes. But what ended up happening is one of the little bull calves got through the fence. We couldn't find him. So it turned into this three hour ordeal. But now it's this running joke. But, like, deep down, it's not really a joke. I'm like, man, I kind of wish I had a longhorn thing to go to. Because I don't like the social aspect. I just. I'm not as comfortable in it as. As Melissa is or as other people are. Like, they can. They can just sit and mingle and talk and chit chat and have conversation. And I'm kind of like, can we go home yet?
- [69:27]
B
Why do you think that's evolved in you, though? Because when we were younger, you were like, let's call it the fun one. Like, you were the one that was like always with Spencer and Corby and Kevin and Craig and all those people. And you wanted to be around people. You, you thrived in those social settings. Why do you think or what do you think changed?
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A
I think if you look at it, I, I thrived in those situations because I was along for the ride. I wasn't oftentimes like the, like, Spencer is always like the spotlight. Like, he was always like the bubble of energy that could talk and carry the con and stuff. I think my true core self has always been a homebody, has always been like a less than social kind of a person and more quiet. I think when I was growing up, I was more seeking acceptance, so I was more willing to put that aside and go like, okay, I'm gonna go to the thing, I'm gonna go to the party, I'm gonna go do the thing. But I always, A lot of the reason I think I did the crazy stuff was because I didn't want to do the social stuff. And a way to get accepted was to be at the social thing and do whatever was crazy, whatever everybody else thought was nuts. Like, I just cool, like you guys just sit and chit chat, I'll go shoot fireworks off at this guy's house or like do whatever I had to do to fit in without using my words. Because I've never been a super chatty Cathy, like, salesman conversationalist. And I think I've just learned to not really give a. About what people think. And so I don't care if, if, if you want to judge me. Because I don't want to come to your house on New Year's Eve and like, judge me. Like, if you want to judge me for not wanting to be social, then judge me. Like, I don't, I don't care anymore. I'm not seeking people's approval because at some point in my life, I finally gave myself the approval I was always looking for from others.
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B
Yeah. Do you find yourself more interested in social environments with like high performing people? Because sometimes for me, I struggle being around people that I feel like are boring or not intellectual equals to me.
- [71:28]
A
No, I feel like there's always something to learn from every single person I'm around. I can flex the muscle very well when I'm in the gobundance environment or I'm in these meetings or I'm doing things like I have the ability. I tell people I'm like a chameleon. Like, I can flex to whatever color I need to flex to.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It's just a matter of how much is left in the tank after that, then. Yeah, but not really. I don't really. I mean, we go to all these go abundance events that I'm leading, and the guys always give me because they'll invite me to the dinners, they want me to stay later, and it's like, as soon as the event's done, boom, I'm in my room.
- [71:58]
B
I'm the same way.
- [71:59]
A
And I just want to be. I just want to be by myself. I like, I. I'm very comfortable there. I'm very safe there. I don't need the conversation. Like, I just. I kind of have my own little space. So it's. No, it's not like the. The. The level of conversation or social status from a successful perspective that people perceive to have. I'd actually probably say I'm more interested in having a conversation with the people that most of society would say aren't successful. I find more joy in learning other people's stories that way because it's less of a performance. And a lot of times when you get around certain people, it's like a performance thing. And I just don't really think we need to perform in life. I just think you kind of just stay humble, stay hungry, and just kind of do your own thing secretly.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I think a lot of that, too, comes from mom and dad. Like, Mom's definitely more of a social butterfly. Dad's got his ability to flex it when he talks to his wrestling referee buddies or his, you know, couple friends about sports or whatever. But, you know, dad's much, much better at sitting at home on the couch and falling asleep. And, you know, mom likes the social thing. And so I think that's where I picked up a little bit from dad of, like, I just kind of am good. Good alone. Yeah. What question didn't I ask you that I should have?
- [73:20]
B
I feel like you asked a lot of good questions.
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A
That wasn't the question.
- [73:25]
B
I know. I'm thinking. I'm reflecting. I mean, I think a lot of people ask me, or. I wouldn't say a lot of people ask it, because I think a lot of people aren't sure what the answer is going to be. But a lot of people ask me why I'm single. Like, I've just bragged on myself for the past hour. So it's like, okay. So. Yeah, I mean, I think that we make a lot of choices in life, right? And I would say that I've prioritized. Like I said, I very clearly have a huge motivation from money. I very clearly have a very strong fear of failure and being broke. And I think those things have guided a lot of decisions I've made in my life. I think that it's funny because you've met my friend Amanda. She always says to me, becca, you gotta soften up. Like, you got. If you want to. If you want to attract a high net worth man, you gotta be like, oh, can you open the door for me? My hands are full with my purse. Or if he asks you what you do for a living. Oh, I'm just doing some little startup things in Africa. It's not like you have to like, you know, humble yourself and, you know, be a little bit willing to be more submissive. This, this and this, right? And I think for me, it's like because of that intensity we talked about, it's so hard for me to do that. Like, you are going to meet your match if you're like, oh, well, I can't do this because I have. Or I can't do Valentine's Day with you because I have X, Y and Z the next day and I have to be across the country. You met the wrong one. Because I know how much money you make. Get a private jet, I'll come there. I have my own resources, my own money, I can fly there. Like, there's no excuse that's gonna fly with me. So, like the half ass effort, the, you know, being less than has just never been who I was. And I think a lot of men are not used to being with a woman that has so much like independence financially, emotionally, mentally. Like, to your point, I'm fine being alone. Like literally alone. I don't need. I've been through hell and back by myself. I don't need you for anything in reality. Right? But I think as I've gotten older, I've looked around and being like, okay, you get that big win, you close that big deal, you make a million dollars. What am I calling Mom? Like, I love mom. Yeah, I love, right, I love mom and dad. But there come. I think I'm at that point in my life where I'm like, okay, I sacrificed a lot of personal relationships to chase money, to chase success, to chase the world, to see the world. And now I'm like, okay, you're there. And then. And then what? Like, you can afford a $5 million house? Who's living in it you can get a business class ticket to Fiji and no one wants to go. Like, you come to that realization of, like, okay, I've chased all of these things, now what? And I think you've got done the reverse in some respects. Like, you had that partner from the beginning that has been with you on the journey, and so it's just different. But, like, once I was on the way, it was like, there's no turning back. Like, I'm just gonna keep pushing, pushing, pushing. But I would say I'm at the point now. I tell my friends, like, I'm at the point now where I would definitely get married. I don't know about kids, but definitely get married. But a lot of that comes from the acceptance that my goals might have to shift. Like, I give Melissa so much credit and so much respect because she has found a way to balance her own goals and interests in a world that you've made really, really big. And she still manages the kids and the household and the mahjong business and, you know, all these things. And I'm like, okay, she's. She's found a place that she's happy and thriving in a world that is so controlled by your busy schedule. And in my mind, I'm like, you want me? Am I. Am I. Am I leaving Africa? We're gonna move in together. Like, we're gonna share a closet. I gotta get rid of shoes. Like, now I'm at the age where it's like, when you're willing to do that is when it's the hardest because you're like, you really start to reflect on all the things you have to give up. Like, all the things, the patterns of behavior, the comfort that I've built in my life as it is. And now making room for somebody else is not easy. Like, you know, I've. I've dated an NBA player, I've dated multimillionaires, but they have big lives too, and someone's gotta give.
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A
You dated a CIA agent or FBI agent that abandoned me when I was trying to kill a black snake in the front of our apartment with a golf club. Dude comes in our house. He's probably 6, 4, 290 pounds, not an ounce of fat on him, had a gun. I'm outside yelling, there's a snake. Like, my biggest fear in life, and you two bozos are nowhere to be found.
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B
But when we came outside, you were hitting it in the end with a golf club.
- [79:03]
A
Yeah, it was a putter. I used the putter. Guys come outside, he's like, oh, you need help? He's like, you got the snake. I'm like, get the hell out of here, dude. Take your gun.
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B
Still in the FBI.
- [79:14]
A
Leave.
- [79:14]
B
Still the FBI?
- [79:15]
A
Yeah. But, no, I think, you know, as. As. As your brother, as, you know, your biggest cheerleader, as. As the person who believes in you, who has seen everything. Like, I know who you are, and I know who you are is meant to and will find somebody at some point. It's just. There's no sense in giving you relationship advice because it's never gone well for me. It's never gone well for dad. It's never gone well for mom. They all keep trying to do. I'm like, y' all are idiots. Like, this doesn't go in anywhere.
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B
No.
- [79:47]
A
I think you'll just like everything in your life. You'll find it on your own terms, your own way, and you'll be happy and. And you'll have the twins that Rylan wants you to have, and she'll have cousins, which you really want. And, you know, I think. I think the beautiful thing about life is we don't get a second chance. And at the same time, we're all just trying to figure it out as we go.
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B
Right.
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A
And you've always done a great job of just figuring out as you go and finding what serves you, finding what doesn't, leave what doesn't, take what does, keep moving forward, keep. Keep trying things, keep challenging the status quo. And, you know, I. I think I look forward to having a brother in law or a sister in law, whichever you choose, at whatever point you choose. I mean, I'm not a judge, but I think it'll be fun to watch you find your person when you're ready. And I think, you know, what I've. What I've told dad previously is like. Like you didn't want a husband, you didn't like you. You haven't wanted those things. You've just been kind of doing you. And so when you're ready for it, it will find it. You know, you'll find it. It'll find you. Yeah. And that'll be a fun journey to watch. But I think, you know, more than anything, it's been fun to just live life sort of in different cars, but on the same highway in a way.
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B
Yeah.
- [81:04]
A
Kind of simultaneously running our own paths, chasing our own things.
- [81:08]
B
Yeah.
- [81:10]
A
You swerving at me more than I swerve at you, but at the same time, both of us always supporting and letting the other drift off the other, draft off the other when. When Needed and making sure that, you know, we were supported and we were loved and we were cared for and we were pushing each other, and we weren't accepting the excuses. We weren't accepting the.
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B
Yeah.
- [81:30]
A
And I told Melissa before this, I definitely could make Becca cry on the podcast, but I will not make Becca cry on the podcast because I love her too much. But I just. Just am incredibly proud of you and grateful for you, excited for you, and it was fun. It was fun shooting the shit.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Dad's really the guest the people need because our perspective of what we think our childhood is. I think I. I hope mom and dad realize that all of these. Yes, you're saying we're hyping them up. They're going to be super happy. But like I said, I think they still have to come to the acceptance of, like, you really did it. Like, you're you. We're there. We're where you always wanted us to be. And you can just embrace it. Like, just. You can look at it and say, wow, they really went and saw the world. They really went and hiked Mount Everest, however many times. Like. But I think the key will be at some point when the podcast comes to Africa. Everyone always says, when are your parents going to come to Africa? I said, probably for my wedding. That's about all that's going to get him across the ocean. But I do think that, you know, that's like, the next phase of my life is like, how do we get mom and dad to see the world? How do we bring them into more the things that we do to give them? Like, now it's our turn to, like, expose back. Right? Like, they gave us everything to expose ourselves now. And, like, how do we then come back and say, okay, come with us. Come to Dubai, come to.
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A
Well, let's just pause for a second. I don't think this is a we thing. Like, why we me have gotten them to Austin. We me have taken them to do things. We me have gotten them to. You just abandoned everybody and went to Africa.
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B
That's not true.
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A
And now all of a sudden, we have to go socialize them and, like, no, I think. I think my job is done and I'm going to pass the baton to you. And this is your opportunity to take them around the world. Yeah, it's your opportunity to show them everything. Like, we. There's no mouse in your pocket on this one. I'm done. I did.
- [83:39]
B
My dude dad is in the RV for the bike race. He's already talking about how there's no.
- [83:44]
A
Chance he can come.
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B
He is doing the bike thing.
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A
There's no chance, there's no chance. He'll be a. He'll be a nervous wreck. I mean, the other day he was cussing at the goats, cussing at the chickens, losing his mind. I stuff. I'm like, dude, none of those animals speak English. Beethoven's trained them all. Spanish, you gotta speak Spanish.
- [84:00]
B
The goat was on. The goat was. I mean, we'll leave the people with the story of dad and I hunting the fox because both suck. I think that is a perfect capture of personalities, right? Like, dad and I are both, both very intense people. You have cameras on the ranch. You could see the animals going every night at 9pm, 10pm, whatever. Dad is locked in on the phone, on the app, desperately watching the fox's arrival. And just for a brief second, it'll, you know, scurry across the camera. That motherfucker. So finally I said, dad, why don't we hunt it? Well, first I said, why don't we trap it? Oh, we're not trapping a fox. I said, okay, why don't we hunt it? Okay, yeah, we can hunt it. We can hunt it. So we come out, you can't see shit, okay? Because it's dark and there's no lights. So Night One Failure can't see anything. So I order immediately.
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A
Mind you, Night One failure was after you took the assault rifle rather than the BB gun.
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B
It would have gotten the job done way better than the BB gun, as.
- [85:05]
A
The footage would show me as a fox.
- [85:07]
B
Okay, but it would have gotten the job done ultimately. But anyways, so I order us night vision goggles. Dad and I go to the store to buy dad a gun. Okay? Come back to the ranch. He's like, okay, I need. I'm ready. I said, no, you gotta, you gotta like cite your gun like you. I mean, I was in the army. I'm like, dad, you, you don't know. You gotta get your. The man can't hit a bucket this big.
- [85:32]
A
No, let's be clear. Somebody shot a hole in a perfectly good five gallon bucket that I had here at the ranch.
- [85:38]
B
And I was like, it wasn't your father. His shot is as good as a.
- [85:41]
A
Four year old filled the bucket up one day with water because it was a perfectly good five gallon bucket. And it starts spraying water out of a hole. And I'm like, what the hell is this? And I look and it's a bullet hole. So I text you guys and said, did you guys shoot the bucket? And you responded and said, yeah, we had to sight in dad's gun. To which I responded, there is so much junk you could have shot at. Why did you shoot at a good five gallon bucket?
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B
Dad picked it. For the record.
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A
Come on the ride.
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B
So dad picked it. Dad cannot hit the bucket. It.
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A
Okay.
- [86:11]
B
But he's somehow determined that that night we're gonna hunt. Okay? So we get into the. Into the house, and I'm like, dad, dad, dad, the man is asleep. Okay?
- [86:29]
A
So this is night after he ate Pizza Hut.
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B
We had to stop at Domino's on the way to the ranch so he could have a snack to eat. Okay, so this is night two. Night one, Could. Couldn't see anything. Night two, dad is asleep. Night three, we're on windows. I'm on one window. Dad's on the other window. Okay? We. We say to each other, whoever has the shot first takes the shot. Okay? So I bait the fox because I'm like, let's not work against ourselves here, right? Like, let's keep them, you know, in one place if we can. So the fox comes past dad's window. I'm locked. Like, when I tell you I'm hunting this thing, my face is on the scope for an hour. Like, my discipline is locked the fuck in, okay? All of a sudden, I see the fox coming over through dad's window. And I'm waiting, thinking, he's gonna take the shot. He's gonna take the shot. He's gonna take the shot.
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A
He's gonna.
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B
Doesn't take the shot. The fox comes running. I have to take the shot. I later say, dad, the fox came past your window. Why didn't you take the shot? What? What do you mean? I said, we made a whole agreement. Whoever's window, it comes past first would take the shot. Why didn't you take the shot? I. Becca, I mean, I'm not just sitting there with my finger on the trigger all night. I'm like, that's literally the definition of hunting. Like, what do you mean? Mind you, he's eating animal crackers. He's drinking iced tea. He got. He did everything except blowing his nose. Yes. And he's making noise. He's eating pizza, which the fox can smell. Like, dad is like. And then he goes, you know, there's a squirrel in my attic. I'm gonna take my gun up there and shoot it. Huh? The same gun that could have hit a bucket. You know how big a squirrel is? Yeah. I'm gonna shoot it. No, you're not. There's zero chance. Well, do you think you could do better? I'm like, I know I can do better. One of us hit the fox. One of us did not.
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A
Neither killed the fox.
- [88:21]
B
Yeah, because you made me the BB gun, and the BB gun cannot.
- [88:24]
A
There is no. Do enough damage that you hit the fox. There was never a bloodshed.
- [88:27]
B
Play the footage. Play the footage. But long story short, I think, you know, we're very blessed that we have a very close family, despite being all the way in Africa. I tell people all the time that, like, we have one of the closest families I've seen in my lifetime. When we question each other or doubt each other, it's out of love. We always know that if things go bad, someone's gonna. I mean, I lived in your guest house for a year when I didn't know what I was doing next in my life. Mom and dad always call one of the rooms in their house Becca's room, because it's always there if I need it. So, you know, I think we're very blessed. I think we've as. Like you said, as different as we are. We have a lot of the same core traits, which is a result of how we were raised and the genetics we were blessed with. But, yeah, I think it's going to be 20, 26 is going to be an interesting ride. I'm headed back to Africa. You're running 100 miles with no shoes tied. You're biking from Mexico to Canada. And mom will be sure to remind me of those things every day in her stress and worry, the same as I'm sure she does for you.
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A
I don't talk to mom that much because she just is worried too much. So I just.
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [89:41]
A
Very, very quiet.
- [89:42]
B
Yeah, I try to check in because dad always says if you don't make it home in Africa, who would ever know know? So, you know, I check in a lot, but, yeah, I think we're blessed. I. I think we had a good conversation. And to this day, you could take that hunting next time. It's not going to be me again. It's not going to be me.
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A
I will take dad hunting. We will kill the fox. We will get the job done that you guys can complete.
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B
Good luck.
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A
I'm.
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B
I'm here for it. I'm here for.
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A
Sa.