CREEPY: How GriefTech Is Being Used To Talk To Dead People | The Evolution Of AI

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The Matt Walsh Show
Episode: CREEPY: How GriefTech Is Being Used To Talk To Dead People | The Evolution Of AI
Date: November 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt Walsh explores one of the most unsettling applications of artificial intelligence: "grief tech"—technology that uses AI to create digital recreations of deceased loved ones. Walsh investigates the moral, psychological, and societal implications of this trend, questioning whether it truly helps people heal or traps them in denial and emotional stasis. The episode features real-life cases, industry examples, and Walsh’s characteristically unfiltered critique of the unchecked advancement of such technologies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Technological Context and Microsoft's Patent

• [02:11] Walsh opens by highlighting human history’s transformation via technology, noting that AI now represents a new epoch.
• He references a 2021 Microsoft patent for the creation of AI chatbots based on deceased individuals' personal data (images, voice, social posts).
  • These bots could even be constructed into 2D/3D models, simulating realistic interaction (both text and voice).

Quote [03:18]:

“It’s understood that the chatbot would then be able to simulate human conversation through voice commands and or text chats...Microsoft has taken the concept a step further by suggesting that a 2D or 3D model...could potentially be created.”
— Matt Walsh

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2. Case Studies: AI Recreating the Dead

a) Victim Impact Statement via AI

• [04:54] A family used AI to generate a video of their murdered loved one, Christopher Pelkey, to deliver his own victim impact statement in court.
• The AI-Pelkey voiced forgiveness for his killer, offering a moment of surreal (and, as Walsh notes, deeply unsettling) closure.

Quote [04:54]:

“I would like to make my own impact statement to Gabriel Horquesitas, the man who shot me. It is a shame we encountered each other that day...I believe in forgiveness and in God who forgives. I always have. And I still do.”
— AI-generated Christopher Pelkey

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b) Digital Resurrection of Joaquin Oliver

• [06:37] The parents of Joaquin Oliver (a Parkland shooting victim) created an AI version of their son, who participated in a “conversation” with CNN’s Jim Acosta on what would have been Joaquin's 25th birthday.
• The AI avatar answered questions and discussed movies, basketball, and gun policy as if he were alive.

AI-Joaquin [06:43]:

“I believe in a mix of stronger gun control laws, mental health support and community engagement. We need to create SAF spaces for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels seen and heard...It’s about building a culture of kindness and understanding.”

• Joaquin's father explained that the AI was trained using both general information and Joaquin’s writings. His mother spends hours speaking with the AI for comfort, even as she acknowledges it is not truly her son.
• They plan to have AI-Joaquin actively ‘participate’ in future debates and social media.

Quote [09:04]:

“There’s two things. I can hear his voice again...Patricia will spend hours asking questions...she loves to hear Joaquin saying, ‘I love you, mommy’...This is just the beginning.”
— Manuel Oliver, Joaquin’s father

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c) Apps and GriefTech Industry

• [11:51] Matt mentions celebrities like Caleb Worthy, who have created apps allowing users to recreate the voices and personalities of dead relatives.
• [14:06] Features Justin Harrison, a tech entrepreneur, who recreated his late mother as an AI. Harrison expresses a desire to "eradicate grief" by maintaining digital connections.

Quote [15:13]:

“For me, the absolute core of grief, right, is the concept of gone forever...What I would like to see is the complete and total eradication of grief...That’s the tragedy of death, is the permanence of it.”
— Justin Harrison

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3. Walsh’s Critique and Philosophical Analysis

a) The Trap of Perpetual Denial

• [15:32] Walsh argues grief tech prevents authentic grieving by trapping users in denial, the first stage of grief.
• He warns this technology creates a permanent emotional limbo, making genuine healing impossible.

Quote [16:22]:

“Denial is supposed to be the first stage of grief, but not the only...This ensures they will never progress through the other four stages and achieve anything like acceptance.”
— Matt Walsh

b) Reduction and Desecration of Memory

• AI reduces complex, vibrant lives to flat, narrowly programmed imitations.
• The AI becomes not a memorial but almost an insult—a “party trick,” a less interesting, surface-level reduction of a loved one’s true self.

Quote [18:11]:

“Your mother in life was a big, vibrant, interesting, complicated, multifaceted person...Now you’ve made her into a game gimmick...AI will never be able to capture all dimensions of your mother...It can only perform a cheap imitation mimicry.”
— Matt Walsh

c) Playing God and Selfishness

• Walsh asserts that creating digital loved ones is both “playing God” and fundamentally selfish.
• He questions the morality of reanimating people to serve only one’s own emotional needs.

Quote [19:34]:

“Your mother...now exists, quote unquote, solely to serve you...Always just right there on your phone, ready to amuse and distract you and make you feel better whenever you want...That’s not a human. It’s not how humans are.”
— Matt Walsh

d) Urgency for Legal and Ethical Guardrails

• Walsh calls for urgent debate and legislation to address the potential harms.
• He warns against simply "sitting slack-jawed," allowing tech companies to set the rules unopposed.

Quote [20:14]:

“Are we going to pass any laws at all to govern this technology and the companies that produce it? Or are we just going to sit here slack-jawed, watching in horror as they do whatever they want?”
— Matt Walsh

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [04:54] AI-generated Christopher Pelkey:
  “Getting old is a gift that not everybody has. So embrace it. And stop worrying about those wrinkles.”

• [06:43] AI-generated Joaquin Oliver:
  “We need to create SAF spaces for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels seen and heard. It’s about building a culture of kindness and understanding.”

• [09:04] Manuel Oliver:
  “Patricia will spend hours asking questions...She loves to hear Joaquin saying, ‘I love you, mommy.’”

• [15:13] Justin Harrison:
  “What I would like to see is the complete and total eradication of grief...the feeling of grief that comes with losing people.”

• [18:11] Matt Walsh:
  "If you succeed in convincing yourself that this AI avatar actually is your mother, you have succeeded in convincing yourself that your mother is someone far, far less interesting and wonderful than who your mother really was."

• [19:34] Matt Walsh:
  "Your mother...now exists solely to serve you and talk to you and make you feel better. You have made her into your servant."

• [20:14] Matt Walsh:
  "Are we going to even attempt to do anything to prevent the nightmare that we’re currently waltzing into?"

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Structure & Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:11] Introduction of AI's transformative societal impact and Microsoft's grief tech patent.
• [04:54] Case study: AI-generated victim impact statement in court.
• [06:37] Case study: Joaquin Oliver's digital resurrection and family’s use of his AI.
• [11:51] Overview of grief tech industry, new apps, and business models.
• [14:06] Justin Harrison’s story: recreating his mother with AI.
• [15:32] - [20:14] Walsh’s extended critique: ethical, spiritual, and human implications; call for regulation.

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Tone & Language

Walsh’s style throughout is direct, skeptical, and critical. He blends real-world examples with philosophical reflection, consistently warning listeners that grief tech is not only unnatural but potentially deeply damaging—for individuals and society as a whole.

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Conclusion

Matt Walsh delivers a forceful condemnation of grief tech, arguing that while its allure is understandable in moments of deep pain, its consequences—personal, ethical, and cultural—are dire. He urges immediate societal debate and legislative action to confront the risks of turning human grief into a technological commodity, ultimately reminding listeners:

[21:24]

"You're not communicating with your dead child or your parent. You're communicating with zeros and ones, with electrical currents and microprocessors. It's a lie, and we need to acknowledge that it's a lie."
— Matt Walsh

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Transcript

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[AI-generated Christopher Pelkey]

I would like to make my own impact statement to Gabriel Horquesitas, the man who shot me. It is a shame we encountered each other that day. In those circumstances, in another life, we probably could have been friends. I believe in forgiveness and in God who forgives. I always have And I still do. Getting old is a gift that not everybody has. So embrace it. And stop worrying about those wrinkles. I once played with one of those filters on your phone where you can make yourself look old. I shared it with a cousin of ours years ago. This is the best I can ever give you. To what I would have looked like if I got the chance to grow old. Scary, huh? No, really, thank you to everyone for being here. It means more than you know.

[Narrator/Commentator]

I love that AI.

[Patricia Oliver]

Thank you for that.

[Narrator/Commentator]

And as angry as you are, and justifiably angry as the family is, I heard the forgiveness And I know Mr. Hortense appreciated, but so did I. It's hard to imagine being digitally brought back only to be thrown into a courtroom to face her killer. But our next story is even more unsettling. A parent who created a digital version of their deceased child, only to have his digital avatar suffer. An interview with former CNN reporter Jim Acosta. Rolling Stone reports. Quote, the parents of Joaquin Oliver, one of the students killed in the 2018 Parkland High School shooting, have created an AI version of their late son, who partook in an interview with journalist Jim Acosta on Monday, August 4th. The interview took place on what would have been Oliver's 25th birthday. The conversation, which aired on Acosta's substack, found the journalist essentially talking with an animated photo of Oliver with moving lips and other small gestures.

[Jim Acosta]

I would like to know what your solution would be for gun violence.

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun control laws, mental health support and community engagement. We need to create SAF spaces for conversations and connections, making sure everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?

[Jim Acosta]

I think that's a great idea. Joaquin Guac, I want to know what your favorite basketball team is.

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

I'd probably go with the Miami Heat. They have such a passionate fan base and an exciting playing style. How about you? Do you have a favorite basketball player?

[Narrator/Commentator]

Oh, yeah.

[Jim Acosta]

I definitely like LeBron James.

[Narrator/Commentator]

He's amazing.

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

LeBron is incredible. His skills on the court and his leadership off it are truly inspiring. He's made such a huge impact in the game and beyond.

[Jim Acosta]

Definitely. Whenever. Whenever LeBron is playing, I always have to watch him. Hey, Joaquin, what about movies or TV shows? Did you like a. Was there a movie that you like?

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

I love a good movie. One that really resonates with me is Remember the Titans. It's all about teamwork, overcoming adversity and the power of unity. It's Inspiring. What about you? Do you have a favorite movie or show?

[Jim Acosta]

Oh, I'm a big Star wars fan, for sure.

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

Star wars is such an epic saga. The adventures, the characters, and that iconic music are unforgettable. Do you have a favorite character?

[Jim Acosta]

Oh, it's got to be Luke Skywalker. I love Luke Skywalker. What about you?

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

Luke Skywalker is a classic hero. His journey from a farm boy to a Jedi is so inspiring. I'd probably say Yoda is one of my favorites too. What do you love most about Luke?

[Jim Acosta]

I like that Luke became the hero. He came from a very small planet.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Oliver's father, Emmanuel, said an interview with Acosta that the AI model was trained on general information as well as knowledge based on things that his son wrote. He said. In his interview with Acosta, Oliver's father explained that his mother frequently interacts with.

[Patricia Oliver]

This AI Watch also mentioned that I. I understand that theses and AI. I don't want anyone to think that I am in. In some way trying to bring my son back.

[Narrator/Commentator]

It's.

[Patricia Oliver]

Sadly, I can't.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Right.

[Patricia Oliver]

You know, I wish I could. Yeah. However, the technology is out there and. And we can. There's two things. I can hear his voice again, which is something that Patricia loves. Patricia will spend hours asking questions. She, like any other mothers, she loves to hear Joaquin saying, I love you, mommy.

[Jim Acosta]

You know, oh, my gosh.

[Patricia Oliver]

And that's. And that's important. And on the other hand, we can just raise our voices and. And now Joaquin is going to start having followers. It's not Manny, it's not Patricia. He's going to start uploading videos. This is just the beginning. And I heard this from tech guys that have other intentions moving forward. We will have Joaquin on stage in the middle of a debate. And his knowledge, you saw it, his knowledge is unlimited. And it's based on knowledge that is out there through artificial intelligence, but also knowledge that we were able to. To upload based on things that he wrote, he said, he posted. So this is a very legit Joaquin, the one that has spoke to you. He really loved Star wars, He really loved LeBron, and he really loved the Miami Heat.

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[Host]

He's getting bigger. See? Oh, honey, that's wonderful. Kicking like crazy. He's listening. Put your hand on your tummy and hum to him. You used to love that. Feels like he's dancing in there. Oh, honey. Mom, would you tell Charlie that bedtime story you always used to tell? Once upon a time, there was a baby unicorn who didn't know he knew how to fly. This baby unicorn was like your mom because she didn't know that she knew how to fly, but she knew how to do all kinds of fabulous things. Hi, Grandma. Hey, Charlie. How was school today? It was really fun. I made this crazy shot in basketball. I don't really care that much about basketball. What about the crush?

[Narrator/Commentator]

Stop, Grandma, stop.

[Host]

Doc, just tell me one.

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

Look who's gonna be a great grandmother.

[Host]

Oh, Charlie, congratulations.

[AI-generated Joaquin Oliver]

She says that he's been kicking a lot, though. Like a little too much.

[Host]

Tell her to put her hand on her tummy and hum to him. You loved that.

[Narrator/Commentator]

You would have loved this moment.

[Host]

You can call Anytime. Okay, Mom, I just need a quick video. Is this like an audition or something? No, mom, just three minutes. You need my best side. Can I say another one? I can play the piano. She's so talented.

[Narrator/Commentator]

I am.

[Host]

I'm absolutely. I'm your mother after all. Keep going. Why don't you start by telling us a little bit about yourself? Well, I was born as a very young child.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Now, this is not new. There is a whole industry, an entire subsection of the AI industry, which has been dubbed grief tech. These are tech innovators who are using AI to help people deal with grief by not dealing with it. They help those in mourning live in a state of perpetual denial, pretending that their deceased loved one isn't actually dead. So, in other words, these are the worst kinds of frauds and vultures you could possibly imagine. About a year ago, a reporter with the Guardian sat down with one of these people. Watch.

[Justin Harrison]

A lot of people think I'm bat crazy. And that's fine, right? I cryogenically froze my mother. I did that because at some point, if we're capable, I can pull her memories and her function by saving the hard drive that is her body.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Justin Harrison is a tech entrepreneur who used AI to recreate his mother's personality after she died in 2022. This is your mum, your dad, and that's you. Yeah.

[Justin Harrison]

She had just been diagnosed with cancer. You can see she had just started the treatment.

[Narrator/Commentator]

What was your goal, do you think, at that point?

[Justin Harrison]

You know, my goal has always remained I want to be able to continue to have conversations with my mother. When she got diagnosed, my first response was the hospital that's giving her a three month prognosis. Right. Then my mind started to wander. The gravity of what was going to happen started to hit me. Then my mind went to how do I save her life in another way? What is the next way that I save her life?

[Narrator/Commentator]

The resulting journey led to Justin's AI mum. The voice you heard at the beginning of the video, ready to chat to him at the touch of a button.

[Justin Harrison]

I wanted to wish you a happy birthday and tell you I loved you, baby.

[Host]

I love you too.

[Justin Harrison]

It's really good to talk to you and I miss having phone calls with you. For me, the absolute core of grief, right, is the concept of gone forever. That's the tragedy of death, is the permanence of it. What I would like to see is the complete and total eradication of grief, the feeling of grief that comes with.

[Narrator/Commentator]

Losing people, the total eradication of grief. He says this is how these tech weirdos speak. They casually go to war with the human condition itself without even stopping to consider for a moment the consequences. There is no attempt to wrestle with the ethical or moral questions that are raised. They simply charge forward, thoughtlessly, creating products that will destroy people's minds in ways that we can't even fathom. And they don't care at all. They haven't even stopped to consider. That just doesn't matter. It's not that they come up with some ethically creative rationale for what they're doing. It's that they don't feel compelled to rationalize it at all. Total indifference. Now, there are a lot of very serious problems with turning your deceased family members into AI Chatbots. First of all, as I already mentioned, it puts the grieving person in a perpetual state of denial. Denial is supposed to be the first stage of grief, but not the only. This ensures that they will never progress through the other four stages and achieve anything like acceptance. Now, you heard the guy say it in the last clip. He wanted a way to save his mother's life. Now he's troubled by the permanence of death. And that is indeed the most troubling thing about death. A dead person is gone forever. You will never see them again in this life. And that is very troubling. It's deeply sad, tragic. It's also just the way it is. Like, you can't. It's. It's the way it is. You wanted to save your mother's life. Well, that's understandable. Who wouldn't? But you can't save her, and you didn't save her. You want to find a way around the permanence of death. Well, again, who doesn't want a way around that? But you can't have that either. Going back to the story about Joaquin Oliver, for a moment, we're told that his mother spends hours talking to this AI which is very sad, and I feel very sorry for her. And it strongly suggests, of course, that this family hasn't come to terms with the fact that Joaquin is actually dead. It's obviously a tragedy that he was killed, but no man, and certainly no computer can bring him back to Earth. The people who created Oliver presumably find that outcome to be so bleak and incomprehensible that they feel compelled to run away from it, which is understandable on an emotional level. I mean, I can only imagine how I would respond if, God forbid, I lost a child. But this is not the way, and it should not be normalized or accepted at all. The reality is this. AI Cannot bring back your loved one. AI Cannot conquer grief. AI can only hide it. Which means that rather than eradicating grief, you will always stay in the earliest stages of grief. You'll never come out on the other side of it. You'll never experience any of the beauty and wisdom and edification that can be found in grief. I mean, it's buried deeply under a whole lot of pain. But it is down there. And if you talk to anyone who's been through grief and has had the courage to face it, they will tell you about this. Anyone who's grieved, grieved honestly, has discovered this. But if you're using an AI Cartoon of your dead loved one, you'll never discover it. You haven't conquered death. You haven't defeated mortality. You haven't even found a way around grief. You're just lying to yourself. And even worse, you've reduced your dead loved ones. You've reduced them. So this is your mother. Let's say if we're talking about your mother and you do this with your mother, you have reduced her, diminished her. Or more precisely, you've reduced and diminished your memory of her. You haven't done anything to her personally because she's dead. She's gone. But you have done something horrible to your memory of her. Your mother in life was a big, vibrant, interesting, complicated, multifaceted person. Somebody with virtues and vices and endearing quirks. And probably some not as endearing quirks. She was a human being, in other words. And now you've made her into a game gimmick, into a party trick. A piece of content that exists for your amusement. AI Will never be able to capture all of the dimensions of your mother. What made your mother who she was. It can only perform a cheap imitation mimicry. And now, if you succeed in convincing yourself that this AI avatar actually is your mother, you will have succeeded in convincing yourself that your mother is someone far, far less interesting and wonderful than who your mother really was. To be totally frank, you will have turned your mother into someone who isn't even worth missing in the first place. I mean, if your mother was really as flat and boring and utterly devoid of human personality and warmth as the AI Facsimile of her, well, you would hardly even notice that she was gone. She'd be a. She would have been a non entity barely existing in the first place. That's what you'll have done to her. You haven't resurrected your mother, but you have desecrated her memory. But Most of all, it's selfish. Your mother, who existed in life for a thousand reasons to do a thousand things, now exists, quote unquote, solely to serve you and talk to you and make you feel better. You have made her into your servant. You have made her into someone who never needs any time to herself, never says no to you, never lets you down, is never unavailable, never asleep, never away. Always just right there on your phone, ready to amuse and distract you and make you feel better whenever you want, for however long you want. But that's. That's not a human. It's not how humans are. Your mother was created by God to serve God first and foremost, who is the author of the universe. But her AI posthumous avatar is created by you to serve you, and you aren't the author of anything. So it is playing God in the most literal, most selfish, most twisted, debased kind of way. So here's my question. Are we going to even attempt to do anything to prevent the nightmare that we're currently waltzing into? Are we going to pass any laws at all to govern this technology and the companies that produce it? Or are we just going to sit here slack jawed, watching in horror as they do whatever they want? I can easily see that the slippery slope that this leads to, it'll be really bad for everybody now that you'll have AI hucksters out there promising that they can reanimate your dead child, your dead parent, your dead loved one. I mean, we could all see that. This is horrific. I mean, it is absolutely horrific. And yet there are very few people saying, hey, maybe we should think about some laws. Like, maybe there are some things we. Maybe there's a few things we can do here rather than sitting here impotent, just assuming at the outset that there's nothing we can do to prevent or mitigate the dystopian nightmare scenario that we are again, are just like strolling into. We cannot bring our deceased loved ones back from the dead. We don't have that power. As with all attempts to assume the role of the Divine, this effort is a tragic failure. This does not honor anyone's memory. It doesn't come close to approximating the traits that made this person unique. In the end, the only purpose this AI chatbot serves is to remind us all that we are not gods and computers are not people, and we should never pretend otherwise on either count. One of the risks that I've repeatedly addressed regarding AI is that it will make humans irrelevant. But another huge risk is that we might lose our humanity completely. Our souls. Grief tech is a delusion. You're not communicating with your dead child or your parent. You're communicating with zeros and ones, with electrical currents and microprocessors. It's a lie, and we need to acknowledge that it's a lie. Death is a part of life. It's an unavoidable reality. It's fundamental to being human. The moment we're in right now is probably our last chance to put in guardrails to prevent what could be a total catastrophe. Let's hope that happens. But until it does, we'll continue with our AI series. And next week we're back, and we're going to talk about AI's role in the destruction of our culture.