Daily Wire Backstage: Debate Me, Bro.

Summary

The Matt Walsh Show (Daily Wire Backstage: "Debate Me, Bro.")

Date: August 24, 2023
Host: Matt Walsh with Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Michael Knowles, Candace Owens (remote segment)

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Episode Overview

This lively "Backstage" episode brings Daily Wire’s top personalities—Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Klavan, Michael Knowles, with a field report from Candace Owens—together for a raucous, in-depth roundtable as they preview and debate the first 2024 GOP primary debate. The panel cuts through political theater to analyze core dynamics of the Republican primary, Trump’s dominance, DeSantis’s struggles, media narratives, Biden’s performance on Maui, the psychology profession’s ideological drift, and (in typically irreverent style) an extended riff on conspiracy theories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Predictions and Dynamics of the GOP Debate

Time: 00:34–12:12

• Debate Framing: The crew agree the debate will mostly be about the various non-Trump candidates attacking Ron DeSantis, who’s fallen dramatically in the polls (down to ~14–15%). Trump, notably, is not participating.
• Ben Shapiro’s Analysis:

  “Basically, it's gonna be all against DeSantis, and the only question is whether DeSantis can survive… The only way to defeat Trump, realistically, are two possibilities… either make the case that Trump underperformed, which the base doesn't accept, or the ‘electability’ case—that Trump lost in 2020.” (03:08)

  • Candidates are wary of admitting Trump lost, undermining the "electability" line.
• Klavan’s Take:

  “Everything DeSantis says is true and effective, but he's not charming. Everything Vivek says is charming but complete crap... This seems to me that Senator Scott is the guy because he's absolutely charming and saying absolutely nothing.” (05:53)

  • Charisma vs. substance is repeatedly highlighted.
• Candace Owens from Milwaukee:

  “I think the person that everyone wants to watch tonight is Vivek, because he kind of snuck up from behind. ... He's hustled harder than the rest of them. He's doing every podcast... He's running this like a startup.” (08:01)

  • She notes DeSantis seems over-managed and in need of a recalibration.
• Electoral Realignment:

  “The names we're not saying… Tim Scott, Nikki Haley... Where are those points going to go... I would assume if they're with Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, they're probably not going to go on the Trump ship.” (Candace, 10:12)

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2. Trump’s Uniqueness, and the Emotional Center of Republican Politics

Time: 13:28–22:57

• Personality Over Performance:

  “DeSantis doing a thing is being treated exactly the same as Vivek saying a thing… Republican base doesn't vote for that anymore. Like, the idea of core competency as a requirement for the office went out with Trump.” (Ben, 13:29)

• Why Trump Resonates:

  “Trump... embodies the voice of the people. This is 60 years of culture war, of telling the American people they stink... and Trump, as far as I'm concerned, is a polite response to that.” (Klavan, 14:22)

• Substantive Comparison:

  “What differentiates Trump... are three big issues: Immigration, Trade, and War... On immigration, trade, and war, Trump was a break from both parties.” (Ben, 15:06)

• Shortcomings in Execution:

  “Did he advance the conservative agenda enough as president? I think there are...many legitimate objections to, for example, his Covid handling, his spending … But the thing that I most object to...is this intellectualization of Trump as a basket of issues. He was an impulse.” (Ben, 16:32)

• DeSantis’s Dilemma:

  “Competency is not a priority right now... There is no substitute for the giant orange middle finger. It is fun to listen.” (Ben, 20:32)

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3. Strategy, Media, and the Future of the Primary

Time: 22:57–32:13

• Vivek vs. DeSantis – Media Savvy:

  “The reason that Vivek is doing well is because he goes into confrontational media spaces...DeSantis has to go into unfriendly spaces and he has to punch people.” (Ben, 22:57)

• Cultural Frustration:

  “We live in a democracy... and democracy has been about bread and circuses and about at least appealing to people on a basic level...” (Michael, 21:51)

• The Challenge of Running on Record:

  “He became famous...because the entire media made him the enemy, and he beat them up...he has avoided all confrontational media for the entirety of this campaign so far. You cannot do that.” (Ben, 22:57)

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4. Comic Relief: Ben Shapiro Alien Conspiracy Segment

Time: 24:07–32:13

• In a satirical diversion, Matt Walsh presents a mockumentary arguing Ben Shapiro is an alien—a running inside joke referencing their previous debates about UFOs—underscoring the podcast’s ethos to combine serious and comedic content.
• Quote:

  “Does Ben Shapiro pretend to hate aliens because he is one?” (Walsh, 26:50)

• The panel jokes about Shapiro's otherworldly characteristics, debating whether he or Mike Pence is the more plausible 'alien' amongst candidates.

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5. Candace Owens’ Docuseries Plug and Media Critique

Time: 33:32–37:17

• Candace’s upcoming documentary "Convicting a Murderer" is previewed, which she says corrects media omissions in "Making a Murderer."
• The group launches into a discussion about the dangers of media misrepresentation in real-life tragedies.

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6. Biden, Maui Wildfire Disaster, and Media Double Standards

Time: 37:17–54:24

• Biden’s Maui Visit:

  “Biden finally gets guilted into flying into Maui ... decides to spend his time cracking jokes and falling asleep.” (Ben, 37:17)

  • Criticisms focus on Biden’s habit of making tragedies about himself and the lack of media coverage.
• Media Contrast:

  “I promise you, if this had happened in Florida, all you would get, morning till night, is Ron DeSantis is to blame for this.” (Ben, 50:17)

• Theories on the Fires:

  “There are three theories... Climate change, malfeasance by the energy company, or arson by radical environmentalists.” (Michael, 44:16)

  • The group generally leans toward government incompetence and bureaucratic paralysis.
• Government Accountability:

  “No one’s held accountable and... in this case, you’ve just got all these different...realms that...need to work together and...they just don’t. It completely breaks down.” (Walsh, 51:52)

• Double Standard & Political Consequence:

  “Maybe he [Biden] can get away with anything. Or maybe there will come a point where he can't. ...That's the hope for Republicans.” (Ben, 51:29)

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7. “Conspiracy Theory” Game Segment

Time: 57:36–69:01

• The group plays a "Conspiracy Theory" card game, riffing on topics such as Michelle Obama’s gender, dinosaurs as dragons, Mark Zuckerberg as a reptilian, and Taylor Swift as a Satanist clone.
• Comic Highlights:

  “Michelle is obviously a man.” (Klavan, 59:58, tongue firmly in cheek)

  • The panel (partly tongue-in-cheek, partly serious) debates the validity of pop-culture and internet conspiracies.
• They lampoon media, pop culture, and themselves throughout.

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8. Free Speech and Psychology: Jordan Peterson’s Fight in Canada

Time: 71:00–80:37

• Jordan Peterson’s Licensing Battle:

  “Ontario is threatening to take away Jordan’s psychology license...upheld the order that he go through a so-called social media re-education program.” (Michael, 71:27)

  • The hosts decry the ideological capture of psychology and dangers of compelled speech.
• On Modern Psychology:

  “A good psychologist is someone that has a good idea of what a human being is supposed to be.” (Matt, 79:30)

  • Ben: “As far as I’ve learned, no data supporting that simple talk therapy is worthwhile. It has to be combined with cognitive behavioral therapy.” (77:15)
• Philosophy vs. Therapy:

  "Psychology is not like medicine... When you say, 'I'm not functioning properly,' that requires some explication. ... That’s a philosophical question.” (Ben, 79:48)

  • The panel laments the loss of deeper meaning and maturity in therapy.

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9. Wrap-Up: Trump, Tucker Carlson, and Debate Reflections

Time: 85:36–end

• Trump Skipping the Debate for Tucker Carlson:

  “It’s very smart for him to do it. On a moral level? Should he go to the debate? Of course. Does that matter one iota? Of course not.” (Ben, 86:05)

  • Panel agrees Trump will likely be the nominee, and Biden will likely dodge general election debates.
• Strategic Weaknesses:

  “The one argument that you could make that he should have debated is that Biden will not debate him. ...When Biden says he's not gonna debate now, Trump will have no leg to stand on.” (Matt, 87:12)

  • The segment raises unresolved strategic, moral, and emotional contradictions in both Trump’s and his supporters’ positions.
• On Indictments and Campaign Funds:

  “Every dime that's going into his campaign fund right now is going directly into his legal defense. ...Are you using that to target Joe Biden?” (Ben, 91:36)

  • The group underscores the intertwined fate of Trump, the party, and the limits of “owning the libs.”
• Core Riff:

  “That's the way Trump voters treat Donald Trump. It's obvious that strategically he shouldn't debate. It's obvious that morally he should.” (Klavan, 88:19)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the GOP field:

  “Chris Christie is a kamikaze... committed a murder-suicide against Marco Rubio in 2016.” (Ben, 05:28)

• On Biden’s empathy:

  “He is a pathological narcissist who cares only about himself. ...Every time Joe Biden runs into somebody who's experienced some sort of horrible tragedy... he immediately starts telling tales about how... he knows exactly what that's like.” (Ben, 41:05)

• On government & Maui:

  “Bureaucracy exists to not work. ...In this case, you've just got all these different... realms that...need to work together and...they just don't.” (Walsh, 51:52)

• On Trump and electoral reality:

  “There is no substitute for the giant orange middle finger. …Trump is fun. DeSantis is not.” (Ben, 20:32)

• On psychology:

  “The psychologist... this is why I'm so skeptical...the entire industry has been totally ideologically captured.” (Walsh, 75:38)

• On conspiratorial fun:

  “Taylor Swift is the clone of Xena Lavey” (Card, 67:13) ... “Yes. I've never heard that, but yes.” (Ben, 67:29)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:34: Opening debate predictions and dynamic analysis.
• 03:08: Ben Shapiro presents two realistic strategies to defeat Trump.
• 10:12: Candace Owens on the overlooked candidates and where their support may go.
• 13:29: The “competency doesn't matter anymore” core argument.
• 22:57: On DeSantis needing to embrace unfriendly media engagements.
• 24:07: Alien conspiracy gag segment.
• 37:17: Maui fire disaster and Biden's response.
• 51:52: Walsh on bureaucratic failure in disaster response.
• 71:27: Segment on Jordan Peterson and free speech in psychology.
• 85:36: Trump/Tucker Carlson counter-programming and implications for debates/election.

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Tone & Style

The show blends policy insight with sarcasm, rapid wit, and a performative “bromance” among the hosts. They freely alternate between serious, philosophical analysis and goofy, conspiratorial asides, always keeping a thread of cultural critique and resistance to the left.

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Closing Takeaway

For those seeking sharp, unscripted conservative commentary, the episode provides both deep skepticism of political and media institutions and an unvarnished look at the tensions within the GOP. Behind the laughter and inside jokes, the panel’s underlying concern is the direction of America’s politics, culture wars, and the very frameworks—like psychology—in which those wars are waged.

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This summary omits advertisements, musical plugs, and non-content interludes. For further detail, refer to provided timestamps in each section.

Transcript

[A]

Hey, everybody, this is Matt Walsh. Drop everything you're doing and check out the latest episode of Daily Wire. Backstage, you're going to hear Ben Shapiro, Andrew Clavin, Michael Knowles, and yours truly talking about all the important issues affecting you and your family. You don't want to miss it, unless you're a leftist, in which case you're canceled.

[B]

That was like my fourth try at that. During the countdown to the show. Welcome to Daily Wires Backstage, brought to you by ExpressVPN. Tonight, I am joined by Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, Andrew Klavan, maybe a surprise guest. There's all sorts of stuff going on here. Obviously, the debate with all of the candidates. We all want to know what Doug Burgum has to say about 2024. We've all got Burgum, Mementum, we've got Asa Hutchinson fever. And of course, we will see the launch of the Chris Assaunts, the Croissants for short, for Mr. Christie's campaign. Gentlemen, before we get too far into the show, predictions for the debate.

[C]

Absolute cataclysmic boredom. I mean, so here's the thing about this debate. Basically, it's gonna be all against desantis, and the only question is whether desantis can survive. Desantis been taking incoming for weeks. He's dropped in the polls from in April. He was in, like the 24% range. He's down to in the Real Politics polling average in the 14 to 15% range with a significant decline. About half of that support has gone to Trump. About half of that support has gone to Vivek. The big question for DeSantis is can he weather the storm tonight? Because I'm not of the opinion that he can actually win tonight in any way, shape or form. He's challenged on one side by Trump, who's 40 points ahead of the field, and on the other side by the entirety of the field, which is seeking to claw him down like a crab pot back in there so that somebody can take that second place slot. The other contenders on the stage all have sort of various motivations for even being there in the first place. So I'm not of the opinion, for example, that Vivek Ramaswamy actually believes he's going to be President of the United States. To me, he seems like a candidate who pretty clearly is running for vice president of the United States Senate in Ohio or a media slot. If you look at Mike Pence, Pence is there basically just to provide a counter to Trump. He has to know that he has no shot at the actual nomination. If you're Nikki Haley or Tim Scott, you're basically just hoping that you're standing around when somebody dies and that you have kind of a small percentage of the base. And if you're Chris Christie, you're a kamikaze. And Chris Christie is showing momentum in New Hampshire, which he's up to second by some polls in New Hampshire, he's still like 14% and really doesn't have a real shot at the nomination, which means that their real motivation on the stage is claw down DeSantis, because basically everybody is now waiting for something bad to happen to Trump. I mean, that really is the dynamic of the race, because the only way to defeat Trump, realistically, there are only two possibilities, and one really doesn't exist. Possibility number one, you make the case to the American people and to the conservative base that Donald Trump was a less than stellar president who would perform worse as president than you would, and that he made a series of mistakes that he will repeat. That case has very little durability with the Republican base, which has a lot of faith in Trump by virtually every polling metric. Even if I think there's merit to the case that he underperformed, particularly in his last two years as president. Then there's the second part of the case, which was always the case against Trump and particularly the case for DeSantis, and that was the electability case. DeSantis entire case for Trump was, I'm Trump, but electable. The problem is, in order to say that Trump was unelectable, you have to say the one thing that Trump people don't want you to say, which is he lost in 2020. Because if you don't say he lost in 2020, he's not unelectable. He was very electable in 2020 if he won. Right. And so his entire case that he won in 2020, and the entire field being very shy about saying no, it was a bad election. A lot of bad stuff happened. And you lost because you were in a bad race and you're a bad candidate, and you lucked out against Hillary Clinton because everyone hates Hillary. People don't hate Biden as much as they hate Hillary. That's the case that somebody's gonna have to make. No one has made it yet. If one of those two cases doesn't get made, Trump's the nominee.

[B]

You can't make the case in a primary race if you're trailing Trump by 30 to 50 points for some of the single digits.

[C]

Well, you can make the case in a primary race saying, that in general, I'll do better than Trump. But the problem is you need to show polling data that suggests that unless what you say is that we already know how this race ends for Trump, you don't know how the race ends for me because things could change. But you know how the race ends for Trump because we already did this one time. Do you wanna do this thing again? And honestly, I think that's a pretty robust case, but nobody's willing to make it because they're so afraid of saying the reality, which is that Donald Trump did in fact lose to Joe Biden. Yes, the rules were changed. Yes, the media were corrupt. Yes, the media job.

[B]

I was told by judge, all that

[C]

stuff is gonna happen again.

[B]

I was told by Judge Michael Ludig, a once respected conservative judge who now plays Ed McMahon to every hack on MSNBC. I was told that 2020, I'm not joking, he said, this is the most fair election ever conducted in the history of the United States. And because I wanna stay on YouTube,

[A]

I of course agree with that on the DeSantis point. I actually think. I don't see any way that he loses unless the people on the stage find a way to attack him from the right. That's the one advantage that he has in this context. Fox News debate friendly audience. Almost all the attacks against DeSantis have been number one, just kind of ridiculous on the merits. But also they've been from the left,

[C]

I'll tell you that. The point, the one who's gonna go kamikaze, obviously, is Christie. Christie committed a murder suicide against Marco Rubio in 2016. He's gonna try and do the same thing on the stage right now. What he's going to do is he's going to say, ron, everything you say is scripted. We know the script because it was revealed to us. And then he's gonna say some line that Ron says he's gonna play exactly the same prank on Ruby on. He's gonna try to do the same thing with the sans he did with Ruby. You did this with Ruby? Ruby saying the same phrase over and over.

[D]

I have a slightly different analysis here. I'm watching all this campaign and DeSantis, everything DeSantis says is true and effective, but he's not charming. And so he's losing points. Everything Vivek says is charming but complete crap. I mean, every word out of it now is complete nonsense. And he's gaining points. So this seems to me that Senator Scott is the guy because he's absolutely charming and saying absolutely nothing. So he should have a great evening then. As for Trump, the fact that he lost this election, it reminds me of the scene in Game of Thrones where the dwarf is talking to the cripple, and the cripple says, I'm not a cripple, and the dwarf says, I'm not a dwarf. It's like he lost. He lost the midterms. He lost the next midterms. He keeps losing. He won by a short hair against the least likable candidate on earth and by a fluke of the Electoral College, which I support. But still, he's not gonna win the general election.

[B]

I suppose the argument against it is, I agree he won by a short hair against Hillary in these decisive states. But then actually, before the election, the FBI saw him as enough of a threat to spy on his campaign. Then the DOJ saw him as enough of a threat to consistently undermine his presidency. Now I think the Democrats see him as enough of a threat to upend two centuries of American history.

[D]

Yes. No, no, no.

[B]

Throw them in prison.

[A]

Is it enough of a threat or enough of a mark for them? Like, they see someone who's vulnerable?

[B]

I don't know. I mean, listen, I have a question.

[C]

Does that matter? Meaning, like, the one question that Trump has never been asked and has never answered is, you say the election was stolen from you. Let's say that's true. What is your plan to un. Steal in 2024? Right.

[B]

To avoid the lockdowns that permitted the policies to change. The. Now, before we. Before I explain to you my brilliant theories about everything in the world, we. We have got to get to brains before beauty. Here we have. Our friend Candice Owens is actually in the field in Milwaukee right now at the GOP debate, perhaps announcing a run for president. I think she's polling higher than Doug.

[D]

She would poll higher than everybody.

[B]

Candace, what is going on in Milwaukee?

[C]

Hey.

[E]

Well, I'll tell you one thing. It's really hot, so if I look like I'm sweating, it's because it is unbelievable weather out here. But people are very excited. I'm listening to all of your predictions. You tend to agree with Clavin tonight. I think that I would not be sitting comfortably if I was walking in as a Santos, obviously Having lost effectively 10 points since June, at least according to the Emerson College poll which recently came up. I think the person that everyone wants to watch tonight is Vivek, because he kind of snuck up from behind. This seemed to be a dog on dog fight between Trump and Desantis. Everyone was paying attention. To them slinging mud at each other. And no one sort of watched the youngest candidate in the field. And here's the truth. He's hustled harder than the rest of them. He's doing every podcast, big and small. He's running this like a startup. And I think that what Bibek said was accurate on my show when he said that what DeSantis is suffering from, aside from a communication problem, I think there are too many people communicating on behalf of DeSantis, and we don't know what his thoughts are versus his communications team's thoughts are. But aside from that, I think he just had too much of a big start. Too much money. You know, he came in like a corporation, not like a startup.

[C]

And.

[E]

And it's hard to know which direction to focus. So the question tonight will be whether or not the Santas can refocus his campaign. Actually listen to some of the criticism and realize that, you know, you know, you got a little bit of a personality problem. We want you to sound a little bit more excited. And by the way, he showed this issue back when he was debating Gillum, Andrew Gillum, in the gubernatorial election. You know, he struggled to get over the finish line. Obviously, we don't have Trump here tonight, so people are going to be paying attention to the next two candidates, which are Bibake and DeSantis. Ben, you might be right. We might see Vivek go for DeSantis. We might see them both try to stay clean. Vivek has thus far kept his hands pretty clean, so it'll be interesting to see if he shifts his strategy. Overall, I think Vivek will thrive in this environment only because he's a true academic. And I just imagine that he was probably in the debate club back when he was in Yale, but who knows?

[B]

Do you? In fact, I can vouch for some of that. Do you know, though, Candace, if any of this will change the polls? So let's say they all tear each other to shreds and DeSantis murders Vivek, or Vivek murders DeSantis, or they gang up and eat Chris Christie. Does that actually affect the standing? That was a softball.

[A]

Do you.

[B]

Do you think that affects the overall polls?

[E]

I think it will, and I think here's how it's going to affect it. The names that we're not saying tonight, you guys aren't saying Tim Scott, you guys aren't saying Nikki Haley. Well, where are those points going to go when they realize that their candidates are effectively going nowhere? We're not even talking about Pence. I don't think any of you guys, at least since I've had you on, have mentioned Pence. I think eventually their donors and their followers will say, okay, this is obviously not going to work. Where are we going to jump ship? Are they going to jump on the Desantis ship? Are they going to jump on the vague ship? I would assume if they're with Nikki Haley and Tim Scott, they're probably not going to go on the Trump ship. So I do think that if I'm making a prediction tonight that Vivek will get a bump in the polls after this and for DeSantis is going to be all based on his performance tonight. I don't know what I would be thinking if I was him.

[B]

Okay, anybody else with questions for our lovely friend in Milwaukee?

[C]

What are you hearing from the Doug Burgum camp? Is he going to bring the magic that we have been promised and the

[B]

gift cards that we've been promised?

[E]

Well, the crowd is wild for Doug Burgum and that is the truth, the absolute truth.

[B]

That's great, Candace. And just obviously before we go, where do you stand on Asa Hutchinson? Do you think he should be only a vice president or should he be at the top of the ticket?

[A]

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[E]

I'd like to see him at the top of the ticket. And if that doesn't work out, press Secretary for sure.

[B]

Press that. He's so good at communicating. Candace, thank you so much. You probably have to get in there. Enjoy the debate. We'll probably be texting you for updates and give our regards to all our pals out there.

[C]

Okay?

[E]

All right, guys, we'll check in soon.

[A]

Can I say one thing or two things?

[B]

No, only one.

[A]

The thing about they go after Trump. The deep state goes after Trump because he's effective. I just, I reject that premise because the deep state will go after any Republican. They hate all Republicans. They hate DeSantis. They'll do whatever they can to destroy you. If you make it easier for them, then they'll be able to destroy you even more. Trump tends to make it easier for them. Second, on DeSantis. You know what I would love to hear DeSantis say? Maybe he's already said a version of this, but I'd love to hear say it tonight is just like, listen, if you're looking for a homecoming king, if you're looking for Mr. Personality, I'm not that guy. I admit it. That's not who I am. But if you're looking for a killer who's just going to get things done and you can look at the scoreboard and look what he actually achieved, then I'm your guy for that. I think he just has to.

[D]

That should always have been his message.

[C]

I agree 100%. The big problem, I think, is that there. And listen, when you're explaining, you're losing. But I think the reason why DeSantis campaign has run into some choppy waters is because he made a couple of core assumptions about the nature of the Republican electorate that just are not true. One of those core assumptions is that racking up wins would actually matter to the electorate. And this is a core assumption that is not true. I mean, the fact is that people have short memories. Well, not only that, DeSantis doing a thing is being treated exactly the same thing as Vivek saying a thing. So Vivek will say something like, critical race theory is terrible. And then DeSantis will pass a bill in Florida banning critical race theory in the classroom. That's. And people are like, those are the same thing. Those are basically the same thing. And it's like, well, that's not the same thing at all. So when he says, listen, I'm competent at being governor, I'm competent at doing these things, the Republican base doesn't vote for that anymore. Like, the idea of core competency as a requirement for the office went out with Trump because Trump had no experience. Wait, wait, wait.

[D]

Trump represents something. I've always felt that there was Trump the person who is the person, but there's also Trump the voice of the people, and he embodies the voice of the people. This is 60 years of culture war, of telling the American people they stink. Their country stinks, their religion stinks, their patriotism stinks, their way of life stinks, their race stinks, everything about them stinks. And Trump, as far as I'm concerned, is a polite response to that. The response could easily have been pitchforks and torches outside.

[C]

I don't disagree with any of that. But that has nothing to do with actual policy. So wins.

[D]

What I'm saying though is there was a time when a Desantis would have been easily the front runner, when people would have been paying attention to policy, when people would have been paying attention to results. They're not anymore, cuz they're just too damned angry. And I think the anger is justified, but it's also disputed.

[B]

But by the way, there is. I'm with ann coulter circa 2016, when she wrote this book with a ridiculous title, but it had good substance. E Pluribus Awesome In Trump We Trust was the title. But the thesis was that people, a lot of people think people voted for Trump for his personality, forgetting about his policies. She said it was the opposite. And what I would say differentiates Trump from the other Republicans, at least in my lifetime, are three big issues. Immigration, which he. Yes, other Republicans have been anti immigration. He took it a lot further and called Mexicans rapists and murderers. Trade. Every other Republican and every other Democrat in my lifetime was for basically more free trade, more globalization. Trump opposed that. He's now calling for mercantilism in the 21st century. And war. Every president who gets elected would bomb Iraq. That was a rite of passage for every president in my lifetime. Donald Trump was generally opposed to these imperial wars. Those are three priorities.

[A]

How did he advance those first two when he was in office?

[B]

Well, illegal immigration plummeted during his first year in office. And then after it became clear that the established, you know, bureaucracy was not going to enforce the laws, then immigration ticked up again. But he had a massive drop in the first months of his presidency. He built some of the walls.

[A]

This is what we're always here, we're always hearing. Well, for the first part it was

[B]

good, but yet it's hard when you've got an entrenched.

[C]

That's part of the problem when you're explaining you're losing. I said it about A campaign. It also happens to be true of administrations.

[B]

When you're.

[C]

Except Trump, I think you can get

[B]

50% in the polls. It looks like he's winning.

[C]

No, he's winning. The way he treated. Now you're changing the metric of winning. So I'm not denying that he's winning the primaries. Yeah, he's winning the primaries. The question is, did he advance the conservative agenda enough as president? I think there are. I think there are many legitimate objections to, for example, his Covid handling, or, for example, handling of the BLM riots, or, for example, his spending habits. I mean, there are a lot of problems. But, you know, the thing that I most object to, aside from your person, you know, just as a human, the thing that I most object to is this idea, this intellectualization of Trump as Trump was a basket of issues. He was not. He was an impulse. The impulse is what Drew is saying. The impulse was a giant, pulsating orange finger to all of the people.

[B]

But he's a person, and people matter. In Democratic politics, his personality doesn't matter.

[C]

I agree with you. I think it was chiefly about personality, which is why right now he is shifting around on a wide variety of issues, and it doesn't seem matter one iota.

[B]

But on those core issues, he's pretty concerned.

[D]

It's not true that he didn't achieve things because he was up against the deep state. Every Republican president, any president, is going to be up against the deep state. He mistreats people, and that's not the way you run politics. He couldn't. He couldn't repeal Obamacare because He treated John McCain like a piece of garbage. And all I hear from Trump supporters, well, he is a piece of garbage. I don't care. I don't care. You needed his vote. You need his vote. You kiss his ass and let you get his vote.

[A]

And also the excuse that, well, he tried and they blocked it. I could almost buy that if there's evidence that he really tried. But, you know, for me, the number one unforgivable thing putting aside Covid was bad, BLM was bad. But the fact that he didn't lock her up like he ran on lock her up and then he's in office.

[B]

They would have prosecuted him the second he locked her up. Okay, but a lot of Republicans.

[A]

But there was no attempt, there was no even discussion or attempt to actually hold any of these people accountable.

[C]

That's the one where I blame him the least. Yeah, me neither. Because there was actually, you know, a generally agreed upon idea that you did not prosecute the person who was the candidate of the opposing party. It's just that he was fibbing the entire election when he said he would.

[A]

I know, but Trump is supposed to be the guy that does that.

[C]

That's what sets apart. So the transgressive speech didn't actually match the policy In a lot of ways.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

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Whoa.

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Here is the.

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Come on.

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[B]

Look, I love DeSantis, so I'm not knocking him, but it's easier to run a state than the United States.

[C]

That's a fair argument. But in terms of what DeSantis has done to reshape the state of Florida in a conservative image, there is no question he's had significantly more progress. And whether you're talking about shifting a 0.5 percentage point state to a 20 percentage point state, a lot of that was almost brilliant. Yeah, but why was that in migration happening? I can tell you because my family moved there.

[B]

Yeah, sure.

[C]

I'm personally responsible for almost 20 people in my immediate family and surroundings moving to the state of Florida, and that is because of the governance of people like DeSantis. So. But again, I will fully acknowledge that it doesn't matter almost at all in this primary. And this is the thing that DeSantis is finding out, which means that the only thing that he could pitch, I think what he thought is, I'm gonna pitch strong governance. Plus, I can talk like Trump. I can be confrontational, I can be spicy. I can say a lot of the same things, but I don't also have the kind of crazy attributes of saying every weird thing that comes into my head. And all this, Mika's fans and all that. Exactly. And that didn't work because you can't out Trump. Trump. And the former part of it, which is the solidity of governance, clearly is not of top priority to the conservative movement, which is really interested right now. Continually. And again, I understand the emotional appeal of throwing the giant orange middle finger. There's no substitute for the giant orange middle finger. It is fun to listen. I've done it myself. It is fun to go up to left wing celebrities. I've done this. And explain to them that I personally will vote for Trump before I vote for the Democrat. If Trump is the nominee, they lose their minds. It's fun to do. I totally get it. It is fun. Okay? And by polling data, this is one of the big gaps between Trump and DeSantis. Trump is fun. DeSantis is not. Totally get it. You know, it's not really supposed to be fun. Governing and winning. Okay. Governing and winning is supposed to be victory. You know what? You know what's not supposed to be fun? Politics is not supposed to be about the Entertainment value of politics. It's not so, you know, we live

[B]

in a democracy, right? Do you know democracy has been about bread and circuses and about at least appealing to people on a basic level, going back to Pericles, you know.

[C]

Wait, wait, wait.

[D]

All of that lament, bread and circuses, comes from my old friend Juvenile, who was saying, you gave up your democracy for bread and circuses. That is the problem. So it's like, that is the stage we're at now. People are willing to give this stuff up for fun. But I think we should add here for just a minute, because I'm not completely. I mean, it's most likely Trump's gonna be the nominee, but I'm not completely sold on it. The dissent campaign was objectively crappy from the very start, and it's gotten better, and it's getting better. But he started out going, basically, I'm little Trump. I'm, you know, Trump 2.0. I'm the nice Trump. All the stuff he said, even his slogan, which I can't even remember anymore, was MAGA2 or whatever. You know, it's a bad campaign. And I think the people he fired, they look at that and they say, that's chaos, but it's also an improvement. His staff knew nothing about social media. They didn't let him say the things he was gonna say. If they let him go. He's won elections before. He's possible.

[C]

He's the other thing that DeSantis really needs to do when they know it and they have to do it. He became famous not just because policies were good. Every politician makes this mistake. They think they became popular because their policies are good. It's not true. He became famous because the entire media made him the enemy, and he beat him up and he punched them in the face. And he has avoided all confrontational media for the entirety of this campaign so far. You cannot do that. The reason that Vivek is doing well is because he goes into confrontational media spaces, and he's confrontational now. I think he's fibbing, right? I think that he'll say things to the Atlantic, and then five seconds later, he'll pretend you didn't say that thing to the Atlantic, and then he'll crap all over Caitlin Collins for asking him about it. But DeSantis has to go into unfriendly spaces and he has to punch people. I think he assumed that he had stocked up enough goodwill with the base that he could avoid that, and he's wrong. It's not true.

[B]

Speaking of going into unfriendly spaces. Do I have to? This is a message to the producers. This is not to the audience. This is not even to you gentlemen. Do I have to talk about this stupid nonsense about the aliens coming into our spaces? Do I?

[D]

This is because Trump didn't believe me.

[A]

They're telling me yes. In my ear, too.

[B]

Are they?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know. It's silent in my. Do we have.

[C]

Did you.

[B]

I heard you made a documentary, Matt. Is that true?

[A]

Yes, we did. This is. We're gonna play the entire thing. Apparently it's about 45 minutes long. I don't think. Well, look, I don't think a lot of setup is necessary. Obviously, Ben and I have had our disagreements over the alien issue, and it made me think. And I've spent the last several weeks doing a deep dive investigating. What I was really trying to figure out is his arguments are so terrible and I've embarrassed him so much in this debate over aliens, and yet he persists. And so it made me think, what is really going on here? And I put together a report and.

[B]

Take it away, please. Take it away, please.

[D]

Please.

[E]

UFOs exist.

[C]

The US government found quite a number

[A]

of them and they are indeed of non human origin.

[C]

I'm just gonna go. No. We have spacecraft from another species. There are no aliens. Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this spacecraft?

[A]

Non human biologics came with some of these recoveries.

[D]

We are not alone.

[C]

We're definitely not alone. That mother. That back there is not real.

[A]

Facts. Don't care about your feelings. This catchy cliche was coined by Ben Shapiro, owner of the popular conservative news outlet The Daily Wire. Mr. Shapiro recently targeted me in a public smear campaign after I provided a mountain of evidence proving the existence of aliens. For some reason, he refused to acknowledge the fact that we are simply not alone.

[C]

Matt Walsh is a very controversial person for a number of reasons. Dude really thinks that, like, the aliens are here. Let's take this logically for just a moment to destroy Matt with facts and logic. The evidence you're presenting me is going to have to be better than a guy saw a shadowy image that appeared to defy the laws of physics. Probably it's aliens. Again, this is a question of likelihoods, Matt. You have nothing. I'm sorry? You have nothing. There are no aliens on planet Earth. I don't believe it. I don't see the evidence for it. And I think all of this is a giant waste of time.

[A]

Sympathy poured in from around the world to comfort Mr. Shapiro. After this public embarrassment, however, he continues his anti alien campaign to this day. This irrational alienophobia, while easily dismissed as quackery, raises the question, does Ben Shapiro pretend to hate aliens because he is

[D]

one

[A]

to protect the integrity of this investigation? All of the evidence you're about to be presented was collected by our trained investigators using the most advanced strategies, equipment, and techniques. Techniques we'll finally learn if the one who smelt it dealt it. In 2021, Young America's foundation hosted a speech at Florida State University featuring Ben Shapiro. At this event, Mr. Shapiro demonstrated alien mind control capabilities in front of a live audience. Hi, Ben.

[C]

How are you doing? Okay. How are you? Great.

[A]

How come you claim to be five

[C]

nine even though you're like five five? I don't know. How tall are you? You're five nine. I'm actually five nine. Okay, come over here. Let'.

[A]

Spatial perception is affected by distance. So considering the student in the video was close enough to see Mr. Shapiro, it's reasonable to assume he was close enough to accurately judge his height. Yet the young man's calculations were off by 4 inches. Take another look. A leading expert on extraterrestrials testified on Twitter that aliens possess the ability to control human minds, make us see things differently than they really are. Did Ben Shapiro alter his perception in order to publicly own him? Does this explain all of the college students Shapiro has destroyed? According to Wikipedia, Ben Shapiro was born in January of 1984 in Burbank, California. Our researchers checked online for any birth announcements with the name Ben Shapiro in 1984 and found nothing. Aside from a certified birth certificate, no evidence exists that anyone named Ben Shapiro was born on that day in Burbank or anywhere else. Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking made a startling confession at some point before his death that unlike his contemporaries who speculated aliens are friendly explorers, he believed aliens might actually hate humans. Is there evidence Ben Shapiro is hostile towards humanity? Our team pieced together this video from clips they found on the Daily Wire's website. The company tried to suppress this evidence behind countless hours of newer content. But what we were able to uncover was shocking.

[C]

Why do I hate Michael Knowles? Because the gods have smiled upon Michael Knowles for no reason. I can discern what the. I'm gonna be trapped in a locked room with Michael Moles for a given period of time, which sounds technically like the definition of hell. Michael Knowles, a man who only fails upward. You went to Yale. I could not find any other productive thing that you had done in your entire life. Michael Knowles, a man hired at this company for one job did not do that job well and so was given a podcast. You were an unemployable person. So we apparently just kept paying you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then I'm gonna just hand this over to you. We'll take a picture for the cameras.

[B]

Really incredible.

[C]

There we go. You absolutely. No, no, no. We've had many complaints about you walking around shirtless in the office. See in the movie the pedophile's outside the room. Michael, never go in the dressing room when Knowles is in there. Five more minutes and I was going to Murray and eat you.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Huh. That's why Michael Knowles will eventually pay the ultimate price when I run him over with my cop.

[A]

We reached out to Mr. Shapiro for comment right before recording this video. But our email went unanswered. For more information and a closer look at the evidence, visit Ben Shapiro might be an alien dot com.

[B]

Wow, Matt, that was some really bang up work.

[D]

Yeah. Amazing.

[A]

Thank you.

[D]

Amazing.

[A]

I rest my.

[C]

Don't believe it. Don't believe it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It might just be the.

[D]

I don't believe it.

[B]

Is there some.

[C]

You guys don't believe it either?

[D]

No, I don't believe it at all.

[C]

I don't know what it is.

[B]

The lighting perhaps.

[C]

You don't.

[D]

I think.

[C]

Yeah. No one believes it.

[A]

That's a great mask.

[C]

No one here believes it.

[A]

That's a great mask. Actually.

[B]

The human mask that he puts on for.

[A]

Exactly, exactly. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah. I think you just keep that on for the whole rest of this.

[C]

Rest of my life, apparently.

[B]

I like what's so interesting about the alien species is that they have beige colored skin just below the neck.

[C]

Well, that's actually what people have said. They've said that my only scandal is my tan skin.

[A]

That's how they throw you off.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's incontrovertible.

[A]

I like that. There's a lot of other shows that are doing very serious debate analysis before the big debate and we played a five minute video about.

[C]

God, I can't breathe in here.

[B]

A big deal.

[C]

I can't breathe in here.

[B]

Like a. Ben, there was just an alien where you're sitting.

[C]

Oh well. I felt like Joe Biden in there for a second.

[B]

I can't breathe.

[C]

I'm falling asleep.

[B]

I also love at our multi hundred million dollar media company. I like that all of our gags about 14 cents at most.

[C]

Want to know why we're a couple hundred million dollars.

[A]

That's how it works.

[B]

Can we officially put an end to this and all future discussions.

[A]

No, that was a setup for at least a 20 minute conversation.

[C]

Like an alien on the Republican debate stage.

[D]

Oh,

[B]

I'm. You know, this is.

[C]

This is a good question right now you're thinking about it.

[B]

This is a credit to him, actually. It's not an insult, but the answer is Mike Pence. Because he's just so solid, this guy. He doesn't sweat, he doesn't blink, he doesn't move. He's unflappable.

[D]

And only he. Only he doesn't know that he sacrificed his career when he saved the republic by not overturning the election. He's the only person in America.

[C]

He's a friendly alien.

[B]

He's a friendly one. I do want to get to at least one topic that actually matters tonight, but before we get to that, I want to plug Candace.

[D]

Thank heaven. I was feeling it out.

[B]

Okay, before we do that, I want to get to, you know, Candace. You saw her earlier today on the show. Well, I want to take a moment to remind you that in case you weren't aware, we are mere weeks away from. From the premiere of her new 10 part docuseries, Convicting a Murderer. The series will finally reveal the evidence that was omitted in the popular docu series, Making a Murderer. If you know anything about Candace, you know that she loves to bust up media narratives. Well, that is exactly what she's done in this new series. Take a look.

[A]

This is a collect call from an inmate at the Calumet County Jail.

[C]

The man served 18 years in prison

[A]

until DNA evidence cleared his name. The Two Rivers man was convicted of sexual assault in 1985, but exonerated with DNA evidence in 2003.

[E]

So this is the infamous Avery lot.

[B]

Now, two years later, he again finds himself tied to a police investigation.

[C]

Accused of murdering Teresa Hallbuck on the Avery Property, Steven Avery's 16 year old

[A]

nephew admitted his involvement in the rape and murder of Teresa Hallbuck.

[E]

The car is discovered just around the bend.

[C]

It was just this worldwide phenomenon.

[A]

I think they framed this guy.

[E]

I think he intended to crush the vehicle but ran out of time.

[C]

Avery thinks the $36 million lawsuit he

[E]

filed is why he's being targeted in this investigation.

[A]

1021 at 24 Main Street.

[C]

Do we have Steven Avery in custody?

[E]

Netflix made millions of dollars from Making a Murderer, but the filmmakers left out very important details. Mountains of evidence that you have not yet seen.

[A]

The blood vial, the most egregious manipulation

[E]

from the movie, interrogations.

[A]

That's when he started beating me because I told him that he's sick.

[E]

Cell phone.

[C]

And I saw melted plastic parts of a cell phone.

[E]

Interviews.

[A]

Her arms were pinned behind her head.

[E]

They made Steven Avery look like a victim.

[A]

You don't believe your brother's guilty?

[C]

I don't know if I'm a suspect. I got a knife.

[E]

I'm getting sick and tired of media deception.

[C]

Evidence piling up.

[B]

Why would they omit so many different things? Why are you editing my testimony?

[E]

I am not going to make the same mistake that the filmmakers did.

[A]

Rearranging the testimony. They delete a portion of it at the end.

[E]

How could they claim to care about the truth?

[B]

They all know that Steven Avery committed this crime.

[A]

The evidence forces me to conclude that you are the most dangerous individual ever

[C]

to set foot in this courtroom.

[B]

Convicting a Murderer is available exclusively for Daily Wire. Plus members head on over to DailyWire.com subscribe to. Sign up right now. You'll save 25% on your membership. There has never been a better time. So sign up tonight.

[D]

I have to say, as a former court reporter, a guy who used to cover courts, everybody's guilty.

[B]

Everybody's guilty.

[D]

And every one of these shows is some sweet little white girl coming in saying, I want to help people. Here's a murderer. I'll set him free. No, no, that's not how you do that.

[C]

Anyway, also a great way of getting out of jury duty. Just say that one. Which is true.

[A]

Yeah, I'm glad we're doing this because I remember making a murderer. And that was when that show came out. It was whatever little bit of faith in humanity I had left to that point was gone. Just the way that everyone bought that there was no. And I remember very distinctly afterwards trying to tell people like, no, just spend five seconds on Google and you'll clearly see some facts about this case.

[C]

Or serial, Right?

[B]

Serial. Yeah.

[A]

That was the other one.

[D]

Same girl, except just a different girl, but the same girl.

[B]

Speaking of human tragedy, with more questions than answers, at least in the popular narrative. We all know about this tragedy in Maui. We were told 100 people dead. Obviously, the number is probably an order of magnitude, at least higher than that. Biden finally gets guilted into flying into Maui, and he decides to spend his time cracking jokes and falling asleep.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

We are a community that relies on famine, on ohana, whether by blood or by French. I don't want to compare difficulties, but we have a little sense, Jill and I, what it's like to lose a home. Years ago, now, 15 years ago, I was in Washington doing Meet the Press. It was A sunny Sunday and lightning struck at home on a little lake. It's outside of our home, not on a lake, a big pond. And hit a wire and came up underneath our home into the heating ducts, the air conditioning duct. To make a long story short, I almost lost my wife, my 67 Corvette and my cat. But all kidding aside, I watched the firefighters, the way they responded. No, there's an old expression. I grew up right across the street from a fire hall in Claymont, Delaware. You guys catch the boots out here? That's a hot ground, man.

[B]

Pretty hot ground, man. Thousand people dead or more, many of them children. This guy makes it about a kitchen fire he had, almost losing his car. And how funny it is that his shoes are a little bit hot.

[D]

What's amazing too is the press coverage of this has been virtually non existent.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Especially when you look back. I mean, it's ridiculous at this point to care. But the George W. The coverage of George W. Bush during Katrina, where basically they made it sound as if he had blown really hard. And that caused the hurricane and destroyed New Orleans, which was destroyed by a thousand, not 1,000, 100 years of Democrat malfeasance in that city. Which didn't support the dams that were destroyed. Yeah, the levees that were destroyed. You know, this is an actual disgrace. This is an actual American tragedy. The worst fire in 100 years. The worst, most fatal fire in a hundred years.

[B]

3,000 people died on 9, 11.

[D]

This guy shows up and talks about a kitchen fire that he had, falls asleep, you know, I mean, and then

[C]

the media spinning for him is just.

[D]

And the media not just spinning, they're not even covering. How did this happen? Why were the roads blocked? Where did the fire start? Why wasn't it stopped? All of those things are not being covered anywhere except by Brett Baer.

[C]

And also just say climate change. Right, Climate change. Climate change is always the excuse for complete human failure.

[A]

And remember the real fires. The big thing with Bush was that he flew overhead, that's right, Katrina. And looked rather than repelling down into a flood zone, he flew overhead and that was the defi. We were told by the media, they still say that's defining image of his presidency. Image that will live in infamy. It was total disgrace. That was two days after the hurricane hit. Two days later he's on the scene, not there physically. Cuz it's literally a flood. It took Joe Biden two weeks to show up.

[C]

And also by the way, that after a couple vacations.

[A]

Right, right, he was on vacation. We can't remember. We can't forget. Also the no comment. When he was first asked about the victims of the fire, he said no comment. But also that clip there of him sleeping, it's actually true. NBC News did run cover for him and they, they ran a video, high res, high resolution to show you could see the whites in his eyes. He actually wasn't sleeping. That's true. He actually was not sleeping. But that's more concerning the fact that you can't tell if he's awake or asleep, but he's got his eyes open. But he's dead in the. Yeah, his eyes are open, but he's just sitting there.

[C]

As you see the breath, I mean, like he's breathing so deeply in that particular clip. I mean, that's like rem rem breathing. But in any case, it doesn't even matter. I mean, the bottom line is that the great lie that the media have been telling about Joe Biden for literally his entire career is that this is the captain of empathy. He is such an empathetic human being. This pitch in 2020 as well, he's just so filled with empathy for others and caring for others. And sure, he has no actual vision. This is the rip on him that Richard Ben Kramer writes about and what it takes that he has no actual vision, he has no actual policies. He doesn't actually care about things, but he has the connect, right? He just connects with people. And he's so empathetic and he's so caring. It all goes back to the pain that he experienced when his wife and his daughter were killed in that car crash. And then it goes back to Beau's death and all the rest of this. Here's the thing, you can get away with that for decades when you're young, vigorous, and you can lie with alacrity as you get older and that stuff falls away. All you look like is a callous narcissist who's constantly citing himself in order to talk about himself rather than about others. So in the Jewish community, I talked about this on my show. In the Jewish community, when somebody dies, you hold what's called yeshiva. A Shiva is seven days in which basically you shut down, you live in your house, you do not leave your house. The entire community comes to you. They bring you food, you're supposed to pray three times a day. So they bring an entire minion with them. So they bring a Torah to your house, the whole thing, and they come and they just listen to you talk about your family and ask you questions about the person who died. Number one rule of visiting a Shiva house or any house in mourning, do not talk about yourself. Don't do it. It's like the number one rule if somebody has died and you walk into a house in mourning and you immediately start with, well, you know, my dad also died or you know, I also had a similar experience. This makes you a garbage human. You are not supposed to do that. And every time Joe Biden runs into somebody who's experienced some sort of horrible tragedy, sometimes tragedy that's his fault is in the case of Afghanistan, he immediately starts telling tales about how well I know exactly what that's like because I've gone through exactly the same thing that you have. Because Beau came home in a flag draped coffin, which is a lie. He didn't. And he said, I mean he tells these kinds of stories all the damn time because he is a pathological narcissist who cares only about himself. And then projecting that narcissism into faux empathy that the media eat up and pretend like it. Actually, how would you like it if somebody came to, you know, your family got burned to a crisp? How would you like it if somebody arrives and like, well, there was that one time where I had a bad kitchen fire.

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[B]

Yeah, I almost lost my car. So there are three theories here on what caused the fires. The liberal establishment theory is that it was the sun monster. It was climate change because we didn't placate Mother Gaia. She burned Maui to a crisp. The second theory is that this was malfeasance by the energy company, that they diverted all their money into green energy policies to no avail, apparently. And four years ago, they were acknowledging the risk of wildfires. They didn't do anything to stop it, so it was government incompetence. There's a third theory, which I'm not saying is applicable here, but it's applicable a lot of the time, which is that we know for a fact many reports from the Department of Homeland Security that radical environmentalists start a lot of these fires, that arson is a concern.

[E]

We.

[B]

We know arsonists were setting fires all over Maui, even within the last year. We know that the Hawaiian Police Department was investigating that. We've seen confirmed examples of many hundreds of these cases in recent years around the U.S. what caused the fires?

[D]

I know. And, you know, I would guess the most likely thing is that there was an electrical, you know, fire, and the winds made it spread. That's the most likely thing. But why shouldn't you have a conspiracy theory when they're not telling you anything and they're purposely lying to cover for.

[C]

I also don't know why that's a conspiracy theory when you're just positing possibilities, meaning, like, it's not. It's not impossible, and you're not saying that it actually happens.

[D]

Well, from the very beginning, people were saying, like, Oprah burned things down so she could.

[C]

Well, I mean, that. That kind of stuff is crazy. Like, Oprah, I feel like, has better things. I mean, she does own a space laser, so, I mean, theoretically you could, but. But the, the, you know, you don't even need to go that far. First of all, I mean, I don't know how many of you guys have spent any time in Maui or in Lahaina. So that used to be. Because we're on the West Coast. That was like my family's getaway every single year. So we were in Lahaina, like, seven out of 10 years. And it is just a spectacular little. Was a spectacular little town. It was. It was a wonderful place to hang out. And it was always packed to the brim this time of year because that's where you would go to watch the sunset. I mean, it's just a gorgeous place. And the fact that it burned down this quickly is really insane. Has nothing to do with climate change, by the way. Every climatologist will tell you if they're worth Their salt, it has nothing to do with climate change. The temperature there is incredibly variable. They've had a very dry summer. They had a very wet winter. They had a very dry summer. But what this always comes down to for me every single time, is government mismanagement of these disasters. And, you know, the way you can tell is when they start blaming the other stuff, right? So when there was a hurricane that hit Florida and knocked out a bridge, the bridge got rebuilt inside of two days and things got fixed. When the same hurricane then moved up into the Northeast and flooded part of the Northeast, the media spent the next week talking about how climate change was responsible for the fact that there was flooding in the streets of New Jersey, as though the human failures there had nothing to do with anything. The human failures here are astonishing. I mean, astonishing. There's an article from the AP today where they go into detail about what it was like to be in Lahaina and what exactly was happening on a minute to minute basis. The cops set up perimeters around Lahaina because there's only one road in and one road out of Lahaina. It's really hard to get in and to get out. That's particularly true if you're on Front street, which is the part that's like right by the water and it's a very crowded place all the time. And they were telling people to turn back because there were downed electrical wires. So you're talking about like triaging a problem. How about, like direct people around the electrical wires? The people who disobeyed the cops lived. The people who listened to the cops, went back to Lahaina, died because all of the winds just picked up and rammed right through it.

[A]

That's why the question is not, well, there is a question of what started the fires, but to me, no matter what started them, even if environmentalists did start them, the bigger question is, why was the fire? Why did it kill a thousand people or more?

[B]

Why did they close the only roads out? I'm not suggesting that it couldn't have simply been incompetence. It probably was incompetence. But you can certainly see why people would conclude, huh, something's a little screwy here. Is there something more going on?

[D]

This is the way you solve the problem of disinformation, as Obama always wants to solve that problem by cutting out everybody who has an opinion different from his. That's what he. How he defines disinformation and misinformation. The way you solve misinformation is by telling the freaking Truth. If you were the authorities, get the information, spread it to the people. Then when other people come up with crazy conspiracy theories, they sound like crazy conspiracy theories. Now crazy conspiracy theories sound like perfectly reasonable explanations because the government is.

[B]

Did you hear what the mayor of Maui says? The mayor of Maui is confronted by a reporter in a small press gaggle. What, were there half a dozen reporters there? And here was his answer on how many kids are dead?

[C]

I don't know. Yes, you do.

[B]

How many children are missing?

[A]

You know, if I knew the answer to that, I would be happy to answer that. You have no estimate as to how

[B]

many children are missing.

[A]

I guess we can end this right now if you guys want.

[C]

This is one of the biggest questions that the people of Lahaina have, but

[A]

you don't want to answer. It always takes one or two to

[B]

ruin it for everybody.

[A]

Please. This is your average.

[B]

Well, we can say that about you.

[A]

You've ruined it for everyone. You're welcome to say it. You're the media. You can say whatever you want. You're a disaster.

[D]

All right.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You've been the worst mayor we can possibly imagine. Respect. Respect what?

[D]

This is the most dismal response we ever have.

[A]

You won't wait for your turn. You want to shout over these guys that are legit?

[C]

Why don't you give them the real

[D]

answers, then give them the real answer.

[A]

That's not.

[B]

Let him.

[A]

Let him. Yeah, yeah, you can go.

[B]

Sorry. You know, one guy asking a tough question, not even tough basic question, ruins it for everybody, I guess. This is my other question. Even if you could say, well, the cops shut down the roads because they just had no idea what they were doing and they were down power lines. How is it I mentioned earlier, 3,000 people die on 9 11? Here we're looking at 1,000 people. It seems to be the estimate, a third of the worst tragedy in American history. And the media basically black it out.

[D]

They blacked it out.

[B]

Why are they blacking it out?

[D]

I know. It's so.

[C]

I mean, the part again, I just come back to the insanely obvious double standard with regard to Biden. Like, that's the pure. That's the let's go to protect Biden, basically, 100%. 100%. Or the governor of Hawaii who's a Democrat. Yeah. Or the mayor of Maui, who's a Democrat.

[B]

Or the senators who are Democrats.

[C]

I promise you that if this had happened in Florida, all you would get, morning till night is Ron DeSantis is to blame for this. His emergency management response has Been dismal. Where was he? If George W. Bush were, if Donald Trump were president and he didn't show up for two weeks while he was on vacation, I promise you, every single waking media moment. And then if you went there and started telling fibs about how I had a kitchen fire, like, it's just, it's the most egregious possible thing. And you know, this is the one area where I think if you're gonna say that Republicans have sort of a, a prayer of a hope, it is that the Democrats have created such an immense bubble around Joe Biden that he believes he can get away with legitimately anything. And there may come a maybe he can or maybe there will come a point where he can't maybe come a point where it doesn't matter almost who the Republican. I think this is part of the logic behind Trump. Many of the Republicans are like, well, you know what, in the end, it's not gonna matter who we nominate because Trump, because Biden is so eminently beatable and there's just such a wellspring of dislike. And that may be true. That's not totally implausible. I mean, the fact is that they've been lying on his behalf for years on end. He's presided over the worst foreign policy disaster of my lifetime in the pullout of Afghanistan. He's presiding over one of the worst natural disasters of my lifetime in Hawaii. I think the economic disaster over which he's presiding is being soft pedaled like this. What we are watching right now in the economy in the next six months is going to come to.

[D]

It's working, it's working, it's working.

[C]

All of that, I think that's the hope for Republicans is that it almost doesn't matter who you nominate. I don't know why you'd want to take the risk. It seems to me the thing you'd want to do is nominate the person who has the best shot of beating Joe Biden. But I certainly understand the feeling, which is the dual appeal of maybe he's so weak anybody can beat him and also screw you guys. That's a pretty strong emotional, it's very powerful, very strong emotional appeal.

[A]

I think the, I'm open to the theories that there was malice and that some of this was intentional. I mean, I think that's a perfectly valid thing. We need to explore it. But right now, if I had to pick a theory, it just seems to be this is bureaucracy, like it exists to not work. It exists to diffuse responsibility. No one's held accountable and so in this case, you've just got all these different. You've got the power company, you've got the police, you have local. You have the local government, you have the people in charge of the water. And you've got this WOKE guy that was on record saying that when we're distributing water, we want to make sure we take into account equity. So you've got all these various different realms that in a moment like this need to work together and need to communicate in a competent way, and they just don't. It completely breaks down.

[B]

My problem with this theory, though, is that for years we've said bureaucracy doesn't work. Bureaucracy is the problem. We need to dismantle the bureaucracy. But I'll tell you what, this bureaucracy, the federal bureaucracy, seems to work pretty well when it comes to rounding up Midwestern Grannies from January 6th. I think the bureaucracy works pretty well when it comes to imprisoning political dissidents and the lawyers for Donald Trump and the who is currently the chief political rival to the president. The bureaucracy seems to work pretty well. Spying on Catholic masses and arresting pro lifers and trying to throw pro lifers in prison for 11 years that they're doing right now. 11 years. Pro lifers are facing a completely unjust trial because they had the audacity to oppose abortion. So in many ways, the federal bureaucracy seems to be working too well when

[D]

they want it to defend itself.

[C]

To defend itself.

[D]

That's what it does.

[A]

They didn't care enough to. This is like a. That's politics. But this being ready for a disaster is a practical concern where you have to actually care about the lives of human beings.

[D]

And when DeSantis was available to help Florida after a hurricane, they called it his. This is his Katrina.

[C]

When Ted Cruz.

[D]

DeSantis.

[C]

Ted Cruz went to Cancun. He's a senator, he's not a governor. He went to Cancun when there was a freeze, a cold freeze in Texas. And the media declared that this meant that Ted Cruz did not give a crap about anybody except himself and his family. Joe Biden goes on vacation for two weeks, and he's going back to vacation now, and he's declaring the lid every single day. And meanwhile, his FEMA team is going. Well, it's really up to localities to handle this sort of thing. It's just. It's insanity to me. And I understand, again, what I keep coming back to for Republicans. I get it. I get the feeling that inevitably the pendulum has to swing back the other way and the bad people have to get clocked. I totally get it. But there's no rule that says that's true. The notion that the unjust will pay their price.

[D]

Well, there is something to this, because the thing that the Democrats have done repeatedly, they call it the curly effect. They basically chase the non Democrat voters out of localities by making it so unlivable there that the only people left are the people who will vote for them. So you get the doom loop in San Francisco that actually works if you happen to be in government, because the only people left in San Francisco will be the people who will vote you back into office every single time. Because they're doing fine. They're living on the streets. That's where they want to be. It actually works. The problem is it doesn't work for the entire nation because there's nowhere for the entire nation to go. People in California can go to Florida. People in America got nowhere to go. So ultimately, this government is now so corrupt, so unresponsive, and so dishonest in dealing with the public that there is some chance that the people will just say, you know what? We've had it. They did it with Reagan, they did it with Giuliani in New York. They may well do it again, but

[C]

to me, make it easier.

[D]

Trump. Trump is the only thing wrong about their group. Elephant stuck in the door that he opened. He opened the door of the future, but he's now stuck in it, and he's not gonna let anybody get through.

[B]

The only thing you're wrong about is there is a place for American conservatives to go. We've seen it in the recent years. And that, of course, is hunger.

[D]

Hungry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

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[A]

What?

[C]

Like a little.

[B]

Like enough to buy you, like, maybe a few shoes. So this was a little unexpected. I am the most popular game show host in America. This show we started on The Daily Wire YouTube channel. It is the yes or no game. We have sold a bazillion of these games. We sell out every single time. We now have the expansion pack. The expansion pack is the Conspiracy Theory pack. And the producers of this very show want answers from four of the cards on this game. Just listen. You're not being held to anything. Media Matters is gonna clip it out anyway. But this safety statement.

[C]

If I say something about 9 11, I'll pretend I never said it in public.

[B]

Hypothetically.

[C]

Don't worry. Hypothetically, if that were to happen, your

[B]

polls will go up. These are. I did not write these cards. I take no responsibility for them. Just wanna go round robin a little bit here.

[D]

I assume we're.

[B]

This is a mean one. This is actually a mean one. I don't even wanna say it.

[A]

Trust me. I mean, ask me the question. But I'll read it too, if you want. Michelle Obama is a man. Can I take that one?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I am increasingly convinced that there's some validity to that.

[C]

Theories.

[A]

No, I really am. I've seen. Look, some people have looked into this and I think especially. Who are they?

[B]

Joan Rivers, she looked into it and then.

[C]

For God's sake, Matt, she's the only one in America who knows that women can't be men.

[D]

Stop it.

[A]

Well, but the question is. I don't know. Look, some information has come out about Obama recently that also confirms what we were told was once a consistency.

[C]

He did like dudes. That is the thing that he wrote about girlfriend. Which is a weird thing to write to a girlfriend, by the way. Yeah, very weird thing to write to.

[B]

I can explain it.

[C]

Of course you can.

[B]

I can. No, I can explain it. I'm waiting for this moment. Listen, I know that I tap dance. I've done musical theater. I was by far the straightest man ever to enter my particular alma mater and live in New York. And la, because a lot of people there, they say one in four, maybe more and more. One thing I noticed is even the straight guys in these liberal enclaves act kind of gay.

[D]

But he said he had fantasies about.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, but he.

[C]

Every day.

[B]

No, look, he probably did fantasize about dudes, but the way he wrote it, he said, look, I think we can transcend sex. He actually was writing about transgenderism kind of early. He said, I think that we can transcend these things. I want to be larger than my attraction to this, that, or the other thing. But he also said, I just fantasize in my head, but I channel it toward him. Yeah, he said something. Yeah, I channel it toward my ruthless political ambition. But he also said, I know my body tells me I'm a man. And so that's just what I'm gonna do, both in my identity and in my desire to be.

[D]

The only male I've ever fantasized about sleeping with is Winnie the Pooh. And I was very small, and we were just cuddling. And I think if you're actually fantasizing every day about guys, it's weird.

[C]

It's a weird thing.

[D]

It's a little strange, by the way.

[B]

But that doesn't mean she's a dude.

[C]

So she's a phenomenal interview in Tablet magazine. The reason this came up again is because there's a phenomenal interview with his biographer in Tablet magazine, a serious biographer everyone has dodged.

[A]

Why are we dodging this question?

[D]

Yeah, Michelle is obviously a man.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

Okay. All right. Ben Shapiro.

[C]

Not a man. She's a woman.

[B]

I heard Ben Shapiro say, by the

[C]

way, she's a woman. She's not a man.

[D]

Also, I'm disappointed in you, Ben.

[C]

I am.

[D]

I've always A fearless truth teller.

[C]

For those who haven't read the interview between Obama's biographer and Tablet, it is fascinating because one of the things that one of the interviewer says is that when they went to interview Obama, Obama had a stack of his writings on the table, like his old letters and stuff that he wouldn't let him see. And it's the belief of the interviewer and the biographer as well that Obama would literally sit there and write journals to himself, and then he would encode them in letters to his girlfriends with the notion that one day these letters would be discovered and then eventually be used in biographies. Then, of course, this thing got buried. This thing got buried, right. It ended up at Emory University. No one quoted it. Nobody ever talked about it, because it would have been super awkward when he was running for president. I fantasize about sleeping with men every day. Would have been kind of weird for him and might have led to some further questions about whether that was acted upon by that guy.

[B]

But the guy who uncovered it, David Garrow, he's a Pulitzer Prize winning biographer.

[D]

And a leftist.

[B]

And he's a leftist. Yeah.

[D]

And as was the guy who interviewed him.

[B]

Yeah. And we just have to ask why Joan Rivers died so suddenly after she said a certain thing that was on that card. Okay, next one on here. Dinosaurs as we know them are fake.

[D]

Hmm.

[A]

What do you mean, as we know them?

[B]

I don't know. Interpret it as you like.

[A]

No, dinosaurs are not fake.

[D]

They've all testified to me that they are absolutely real.

[B]

They did.

[A]

Well, you were friends with me.

[D]

I was there, you know.

[A]

Well, okay, I think dinosaurs existed, but probably a lot. The popular conception we have of them is like there's a lot of. There's a lot of probably baseless conjectures.

[B]

Well, now they change it. Now they say they look like chickens, right?

[C]

They said they have feathers, some of them. Yeah. Well, there's every possibility that some of the dinosaurs. And they acknowledge this, by the way, are like the reconstruction of the LION in, like, 13th century Britain, you know, where they tried to bring a lion back from Africa to Britain and it died and it decomposed. And by the time they got it back to Britain, it was basically like a bag of bones. And so when they stuffed it back together, it looks like this bizarre cat, cow kind of thing. It's possible we're doing that with the dinosaurs. And when you go and you see all the bones put together, it's like. Well, actually, the neck wasn't that long, or this is a tailbone or something. That's fine. But dinosaurs exist.

[D]

But we saw Jurassic Park.

[A]

They were.

[B]

Obviously, they were there. Chris Pratt told me. My take is that dinosaurs are real, but they were dragons. That's my take. I mean, that.

[C]

Sincerely breathing fire now.

[B]

Yeah. No, like in the sense that dinosaurs are this construction of modern scientific, atheist, materialist, stupid culture. And dragons are the product of the intuition and imagination of every aliens, aren't we? And they were placed here by aliens. No. Yeah, basically, dragons are to dinosaurs. What?

[C]

Dragging me back.

[A]

They were flying and breathing fire is

[B]

what they were at least flying.

[C]

Well, pterodactyl.

[A]

I mean, we know they're flying, but they're breathing fire.

[B]

Whatever legend cropped up. Look, they may have been breathing fire, but whatever legend cropped up that they were breathing fire comes from a real Place like legends about all historical things.

[A]

I don't like it, but I will say I watch a lot of nature documentaries with my kids. And when you watch, especially at dinosaurs, and you have some scientist pulls out a fossil with one little line in it and has this whole story about, well, this is clearly a triceratops that was, you know, 40 tons and a female and 5 years old. It's like, how can you possibly know all that? So I think there's a lot of.

[C]

Yeah, they didn't know their gender, first of all.

[B]

Who would.

[C]

How could. Who could?

[B]

Nobody could. Okay.

[D]

Things they said about Michelle were the CEO.

[B]

Oh, this is gonna get our company destroyed. That's cool. Really smart pick, guys. The CEO and founder of Facebook is a reptilian. Not a dragon, but a reptilian.

[A]

Ben.

[C]

Robot. Not alien robot.

[B]

Not alien. Constructed in a lab.

[C]

Not alien.

[B]

Zenuf ten.

[C]

Yeah, he's not like reptilian alien who's wearing a skin suit and here to destroy humanity. He is what we in modern notions call robots, engineers. Like, that is what he is.

[A]

I think the more interesting reptilian question is the guy on the plane, on the infamous plane, the mother of the who wasn't real, which is so strange. Everyone's like, where's the woman? Where did she go? And then we found the woman. Nobody ever asked, like, what about that guy? Have we ever heard a word from him?

[B]

What did she see? Maybe she saw himself.

[A]

Yeah. Did the guy. It was a real question. Did that guy ever do any kind of interview and say, and why was

[D]

it okay to trace this poor woman down?

[B]

I think it's so awful that they tracked this poor woman who had spoony shards at the lobby or at the bar.

[C]

She should have claimed parentage in the Biden family. So Maybe there were $20 million and they never would have found it.

[A]

And also, what does she have to apologize for?

[C]

Right? Exactly. That's crazy. That's not the same thing.

[A]

But whatever happened, she really thought that there was some kind of reptilian monster on the plane. And so she did the right thing with the information she had, which was to tell everybody was there. Right.

[B]

Well, we have the clip, actually, we have this very important piece of journalism.

[C]

I'm telling you, I'm getting the off,

[B]

and there's a reason why I'm getting the off. And everyone can either believe it or they cannot believe it.

[C]

I don't give two. But I am telling you right now, that mother. That mother back there is not real.

[B]

And you can sit on this plane and you can can die with them or not? I'm not going to.

[A]

Would you have stayed on a plane after seeing that right before it takes off?

[C]

Yeah, of course. Of course. I'm not going to miss my flight.

[A]

For some crazy person, those are bad vibes to start on a plane.

[C]

No, I mean I'm not getting off the plane unless Przeinski's on it or whatever.

[D]

Prigozhin.

[C]

Right, Prigozhin, whatever his name is.

[B]

Prigozhin.

[D]

His mistake was getting Trump elected. I think it offended Hillary.

[C]

He did the second most famous blunder. And the second most famous blunder is leader a revolt against the head of the Russian state and then flying a plane close to his border. The most famous is invading Russia in the wintertime. Right. You shouldn't do that. Also, that plane committed suicide. That's what Vladimir Putin says. It fell off the fifth floor of a building.

[B]

Can you understand Putin's dismay when he was running up to the field with his gun in hands and he sees the burning wreckage and there's just Hillary standing with a bazooka and she beat him to it. He must have been slow. So crestfallen.

[C]

Last one we find out Epstein was on that plane.

[B]

You know, at first I felt bad for the other people on the plane with Prigozhin. You know, head of the Wagner group, leads the coup against Putin. But then I thought, if you're sitting on the plane with Prigozhin, well, it's

[C]

a private plane too, right?

[B]

It's obviously a private plane.

[C]

It's not like he was on like a Southwest. Right.

[B]

He's not a list preferred. You don't think the head of the Wagner group.

[C]

If you're on like the private plane with the head of the Wagner group, I good bet that you're not like the cleanest.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, you've got problems.

[C]

Hopefully there are no children aboard or something. Like people are not responsible for themselves.

[B]

This is the final question to debate. Taylor Swift is the clone. What is this? Taylor Swift is the clone of Xena lavey, daughter of the infamous Satanist.

[D]

Satanist, yeah.

[B]

Anton lavey.

[D]

Right? I remember Antonio.

[B]

Whoa, man, that's crazy.

[C]

Yes. I've never heard that, but yes.

[B]

Yeah, she is right.

[C]

And you have to explain beyond Satanist. Yes.

[B]

Whoa, man, that's so weird.

[D]

Am I the only person who likes Taylor Swift? I think yes.

[B]

Well, yeah. You're the only person who hasn't been just sucked into this like demonic cult. I know. And the only non millennial white girl.

[A]

The only thing she writes her own Music, Right.

[C]

So she's got that anymore, right? She used to. Her modern songs are one of those like 11 people write them. Trying to give her some credit, but. Well, she can't sing.

[D]

Nice legs.

[C]

Damn it, Drew. All you care about Xena or damn it, Drew, your old perv.

[A]

Cut it out.

[B]

Bill Buckley had that line. He was asked if he approved of miniskirts by some young gal and he said, well, on you I do, basically. That's your point, Drew? Absolutely.

[C]

Okay, well that was great. I can't believe that was the best selling.

[D]

So that's making money.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

This guy's thinking it's great. You should go buy it.

[B]

The one. I'll tell you the one that really freaked me out, the Xena lavey thing, man. Especially because while this guy's talking about aliens all the time, I point out that it's probably demons. And man, that's some weird demonic stuff. That's some occult, weird Satanist stuff.

[C]

If you play them quicker to her,

[D]

they sound exactly the same they do.

[C]

If you play them forwards, they sound.

[A]

People playing the game aren't gonna have the benefit of that picture. So they're not gonna. That's a real. Yeah, that's a deep cut.

[B]

That's a deep cut. You have to listen. The audience is the real creme de la creme of the political public, you know. All right, we have to get to. That was a great segment.

[A]

I thought that was a good segment, by the way. We just did.

[C]

Just love it. Every moment was gold. Basically.

[B]

Now we have to get to something that actually involves a colleague of ours, which we'll get to in one second. But we have to get to a shameless plug that involves another colleague of ours who happens to be in the place that conservatives escaped to, which is Hungary. And that would be Jeremy Soap.

[C]

Where is that guy?

[B]

He is gallivanting all about selling soap.

[D]

He's clean.

[B]

We're seeing it more every day.

[D]

He's a clean old man.

[B]

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[C]

You do the ad all wrong. If you're doing the ad right, you

[B]

got to hold it. All right, let's see. Can we get a nice close shot there?

[C]

You ready? He's going to do the ad. It's got to be like this. Do you see this hand soap? It's magnificent. It smells delightful. It is green tea and citrus hand soap each and every day. You'll be grateful that you use this particular hand soap. This right here is the all purpose cleaner for all purposes. There are literally no purposes for which you cannot use this particular cleaner. Could you use it to clean your emails off your hard drive? Absolutely you could. You should head on over to JeremysRazor.com right now and enjoy products like the ones that I just threw.

[B]

Take my money and give me those beautiful products. We have an all purpose cleaner. That's pretty cool.

[A]

What is a paraben?

[C]

I have no idea. I've been talking about it for weeks on the show. No clue to parabens.

[B]

It's like seed oils. All I know is it's bad.

[C]

It's like a quasi bend.

[B]

It's like aeroben. Yeah.

[A]

It's a

[B]

really cutting edge hip humor on this show, folks.

[C]

Drew loved that one. So 1911.

[B]

A pal of ours, colleague of ours. Yes. Is being threatened by Canada. America's evil top hat.

[D]

This is Jordan's fault for being Canadian.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I've never heard that before. That's the first thing you said I loved.

[B]

Thank you. No, I had a pun in that video.

[C]

America's evil top hat.

[B]

America's evil top hat. And I had some joke about a cookbook that you also.

[C]

Oh, that was amazing.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

That was a good joke. All right, I've got two. You're right. That was a great joke. In 10 years, two in a decade.

[B]

Ontario is threatening to take away Jordan's psychology license. The superior court of justice ordered Jordan to pay 25 grand to the college of psychologists and upheld the order that he go through a so called social media re education program.

[D]

I pity the re education program.

[B]

Can you imagine? I will not tweet what you want me to tweet.

[D]

You know, they've been making this mistake with Jordan from the very beginning. If they had just left him alone, he'd still be like teaching university classes.

[C]

For people who believe that the left in America does not want to actively shut down speech. They do. I mean, take a look at Canada. I mean, they want to destroy your life. They really, really do. I was explaining this to somebody again, a friend of mine who's on the left. And I blew his mind when I explained to him that if it comes down to Trump versus Biden, I will vote for Trump. And it won't really take much to convince me of that, like, at all. And he asked why? And I said, because of this. Because you want to trans my kids. You want to, or at least you want to make it good and proper for the public schools to work to trans my kids. You will attempt to shut me down if I speak freely. And then they'll be like, no, no, no, that's not true at all. Well, yes, it is. Yes, it is. I mean, look what they're doing in Canada. Look what they're doing in the uk. The goal here has always been and will always be to make traditional living illegal and make personal sexuality public. That's like, the only thing that matters to these folks. So in order, apparently to be a licensed psychologist, you have to be fully insane in Canada. You have to actually parrot insanity back to people to be a licensed psychologist in Canada. Honestly, like, Jordan is going to make their lives so miserable. It'll be quite fun to watch Jordan, actually. Like, I would love to sit in the room watching Jordan take social media reeducation training. It will be one of the. It would be one of the great experiences of my life. I would pay, honest to God money to, like, be available in that room. I would appoint. I would go get a Canadian bar license to go and be in that room while they try to teach Jordan the things he can and cannot say on Twitter.

[B]

I just cannot imagine. This is a man who, as psychology is facing this replication crisis, this whole crisis of identity for the entire field. This man has done more good from the field of psychology than anybody since at least Viktor Frankl and maybe just any psychologist ever. More people are. People come up to me with tears in their lives. I'm not exaggerating. And they will say, michael, you know, Jordan Peterson, the man changed my life. And grown men like serious men. And I think that's the guy that Castro's after.

[D]

That's why.

[C]

That's why.

[D]

That's why. Because he's changed their life for the better. And he's made them feel better about being men. And he's made them understand what it means to be a man. And he speaks. You know, the funny thing about Jordan, too, is like, you know, cause he has a. He can have a harsh, you know, affect on Twitter where he just. He gets so angry at these people because they pick on people who are smaller than them. He hates bullies, but he's the most gracious, kindly person that you could possibly meet and he genuinely cares about the people who are being stomped on and that's why they're stomping on him. Why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they?

[C]

By the way, you found the conspiracy theory I do believe in. There is no question that Justin Trudeau is Castro. Sandra. There is like no question about it.

[D]

I agree.

[C]

Zero doubt.

[B]

I have started to keep an open mind on this because by some angles, he's sort of vaguely kind of looks like Pierre or.

[C]

No, no, I'm sorry that you're experiencing astigmatism.

[B]

Yeah, okay, you're right, you're right. He's the son of the Cuban dictator.

[A]

By the way, I think what you said is really important because to me, that's the even more dire implication of stories like this. There's the free speech angle, really important. But the fact that this is what the psychology industry has become, people need to understand that. I mean, the psychologist, this is why I'm so skeptical and critical of it fundamentally. And I would, before I would advise any loved one to go see a psychologist, I would be very, very careful because the entire industry has been totally ideologically captured. I mean, there was a story a few days ago about a child psychologist, prominent one in California somewhere, of course, I think, who was talking about gender, how some children are gender minotaurs or you could be a gender Prius.

[C]

Well, they made it illegal to practice actual psychology. Right. If a kid comes into you and says, I'm sexually confused, and then you say, well, maybe you ought to wait on that and see how it develops. It's perfectly normal at the age of 14 to be sexually confused. That's a no. No, it could be things there. Again, that's conversion.

[A]

And most psychologists have gone along with that completely, with very few exceptions. And the ones that have not gone along with it, like Jordan, this is

[B]

the irony of the so called conversion therapy. All therapy is by definition conversion therapy.

[D]

Yes. And why should you not be able to go to somebody and say, I'm gay, I'd like to not be gay. Can you possibly help me and explore that? I don't understand that at all.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But if you go to any psychologist, you say, I have a mental problem, I've got some block. Can you convince me to think in a different way and behave in a different way? That is a conversion. Every time it's a conversion, there is

[D]

a strain and it is a Strain under fire. No question about it. There's a strain of Christianity, psychology that I think can be very useful to people. I think it's useful to people to talk to someone. I think talking to someone who cares about you and doesn't have a stake in your life can be immensely important. But you're absolutely right about this.

[A]

I think it can be. It can be useful, but it can also cause more damage than it does

[D]

if a person is incompetent or evil.

[A]

But I think I'm also critical at just the idea of, well, go to therapy. Always go to. To therapy. I think what drives people to go to therapy oftentimes is just that they want to just talk about themselves and they get like. They have a lot of fun talking about themselves, and they want to kind of wallow in their own misery and they want to tell their own story and all the suffering they've gone through, and it's just. That's all they actually want to do.

[C]

That's why there's no, as far as I'm learned, no data supporting the idea that simple talk therapy is worthwhile. It has to be combined with cognitive behavioral therapy. Right. Which is an actual intervention by the psychologist. Is saying your train of thoughts. For example, you're anxious and your anxiety is being caused by this train of thoughts. We need to intervene and say, is this train of thoughts logical? Is this correct? Are you actively realizing what you're doing? That's cbt, right? So cbt. Actually, there's very good data, but that's an interventionist approach to psychology. I don't know when the confirmatory approach to psychology came about, but even Freud rejected that. I mean, what's amazing is that when Freud talks about, for example, polymorphous perversity, right? This idea that there's like this human sex drive and that we're driven to. That were truly driven by the sex drive. He then suggests that that's bad and that the way that you actually end up being a productive human being is you sublimate that in favor of. He does say this. I mean, sublimation. Correct. In favor of higher purposes. And the act of maturing is maturing out of treating those desires as primary and sublimating them to higher desires and better things. That's the entire process of growing up. It's only in the 1960s where they say, no, no, no. Real authenticity is where you strip away the sublimation. Sublimation is a form of anxiety and you have to deal.

[D]

But there is an underlying. There is an underlying philosophy to Freud, which he didn't intend, but it's simply built into the system where the true reality of you is your basest desires and everything else is laid on top of that. And that's not always been the case. I mean, if you think of Plato and the Chariot analogy, all of our instincts, including our noble instincts, are included in us and they're part of who we are. And I think that, you know, I have to say, on a more shallow level, I worked with a lot of suicidal people. I've been on hotlines and things like this. 50% of them call up to tell you why they can't be helped. 50% of them do not want to be helped. 50% of them are looking just for somebody to say, you're not awful. And that's not a bad thing. I don't think that's a bad thing. I think that's helpful.

[A]

But I think one of the problems with the psychology industry is that the only hope Jordan Peterson is a good psychologist because he's a good philosopher and it's his philosophy. Psychology is not really the idea that it's like medicine or science. It's not exactly. No, a good psychologist is someone that has a good idea of like, what a human being is supposed to be.

[D]

Absolutely.

[A]

And that's what you go to a psychologist with that question, what am I supposed to be? How am I supposed to think? What ways am I supposed to act? And those are not medical questions, those are not scientific questions, those are philosophical questions. The reason why Jordan Peterson is so effective is because he's a. He's just a good philosopher. He's got a good sense, he's got wisdom, he's got a good sense of how a person is supposed to be.

[D]

Interesting.

[C]

You're right about this. Because when it comes to medicine, there is an agreed upon standard of what you are trying to achieve when it comes to medicine. You come in, your leg hurts. The idea is, how do I make it so my leg doesn't hurt and functions properly. But functions properly is well understood. A leg that functions properly lets you go places, supports your weight, all of these sorts of things. When you come in, you say, I, as a human am not functioning properly. That requires some explication. What does it mean to function properly as a human? And this is where you get into the philosophy section, right? Because we have generate, we have millennia of traditions suggesting what it means to be a properly functioning human being. And really, over the course of the last century and a half, we've decided that to be A fully functioning human being means to essentially humor your basest desires. That's what it means to be a fully functional human being. And it's really all of these other impositions by society that have prevented you from engaging in the great you that exists internally. And that's where psychology has gone utterly wrong.

[D]

That's right. And that is not what the history of philosophy tells us. The history of philosophy has always said that there is an aspect of the human being that knows right from wrong, that can reason to right from wrong, and that can impose restrictions on its basis. And that's built into the human person.

[C]

Right. Well, psychology, like modern psychology, never asks in order to accomplish what? So again, when they say, like heal your leg, it's in order to accomplish walking, in order to accomplish carrying. When they say, I want to be a whole human in order to accomplish what? Because what you want to accomplish is going to be a large part of which direction or actually directing the healing. If you say I want to be non anxious and so I want to be non anxious so that I can party all night long and drink without worrying about it, then a psychologist theoretically could do that. They could say, you know what? Don't worry about anything in your life. Get rid of all of your worries, get rid of all of your cares, live off of welfare and do all those things and you won't be anxious anymore and your anxiety is healed. But that's not a properly functional human being. The other way to actually deal with the anxiety is to say you're anxious about some things that are actually real. Let's figure out solutions that allow you to channel that in the most positive possible direction for your flourishing and the flourishing of your family.

[D]

Right?

[B]

What's amazing, there used to be, in the olden days, before modern people ruined everything, there was a simple answer that old uncle Aristotle gave us, which is this idea of the four causes. We have a formal cause, a material cause, an efficient cause, and a final cause. So the formal for us, for people, it's the formal cause is the soul, the material is the body, the matter. The efficient is, well, God makes us, you know. And the final cause is, Aristotle would say happiness, eudaimonia, human flourishing. Christians would say to know God and to love him forever and to serve him here on earth. Modern people say that's B.S. that's a bunch of mumbo jumbo from a pre scientific age. Forget about the final cause stuff. Forget about the formal cause. You don't have souls, you don't have any of that. Come on, get out of here. But they don't actually get rid of it. What Aristotle understood is you have to have an answer to that. And the modern people have an answer to that. They say now, instead of the formal cause being the soul, they say, well, you know, man, it's just like my identity, man. It's my whatever. And for the final cause, what do they say?

[D]

What?

[B]

The implicit final cause today for human beings, as they say, is just to feel good, you know, just to have pleasure.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it makes people miserable.

[D]

And also, they have forgotten the fact that to do right, to do right is the path to feeling better about yourself. You know this.

[C]

Well, ironically, as we've gotten rid of

[D]

it, as if there were no moral standards.

[C]

Well. But in order to understand that because we become such a healthy, physically generate people, and we live so long, ironically, our time horizon has disappeared. And so the idea always with eudaimonia or simcha in Hebrew or any of these words that we're talking about, the idea was over a long period of time. Right. The way that you establish whether you are happy is you look back at your life and you look at all the things that you built and the process of building those. And even the things that you're most miserable about in the moment, maybe the things that make you happiest. There have been a bunch of studies. Roy Baumeister does a lot of really good work on this. And he found that there is a wide differential between what people experience as joy and what people experience as meaning. They're not the same thing at all. And that becomes most apparent, obviously, when it comes to children. When it comes to children, what you experience as joy and what you experience as meaning are very often incredibly disparate. Because raising kids, as Matt knows even better than I do, because he's got six, but I've got four. That's a lot of kids. And it's not always, you know, roses and butterflies. There are a lot of times when it is rough, it is very difficult. I mean, last night, when you're. When you're up in the middle of the night, three to five in the morning because your baby has too much snot. And you're sucking the snot out of the baby's nose so the baby can breathe, is that joy? No, but that's meaning. And that meaning is what leads to happen. But that requires a time horizon. Because in order to.

[B]

Wait, you also just corrected something. I misspoke when I said the efficient cause is God. The efficient cause for our creation is our parents. Is Our family, that's the other thing that they totally deny. And they deny the truths that you're just explaining.

[D]

There's also a distinction between joy and happiness. I mean, happy you win the lottery or happy for a. Or whatever, you know, and then you become miserable because you have money that you didn't earn. But joy is something you can experience even in grief, even in crisis. And you're right. It's totally connected to meaning. It's totally connected to fulfilling who you are as a human being.

[C]

It's iterations over time. It has to do with iterations as the time horizon goes away.

[D]

Well, because in the moment you're struggling, you're stressed out and all that stuff. But the joy can be there even in those moments because you understand that this is what you're here for, you know, I mean, to suck the snot out of your baby's nose when that's, when that's why you're here, that is. And, and that purpose does. I mean, I can say this because I'm now at the end of life. You do look back and say, like, that was great, you know, I'm so glad that happened.

[C]

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[B]

Now, speaking of reasons we're here, there's one topic we have got to get to. We talked about one of the Republican debates tonight, but it's about to kick off in 10 minutes or so or I'm sorry, it's about to kick off in half an hour, but we gotta get to the member block. The other Republican debate is gonna be the debate or friendly conversation. We'll find out what it is between Trump and Tucker. Well, probably. We know. First of all, what do you think? Was it smart for Trump to skip the debate and talk to Tucker or is it gonna hurt him? And two, what are your predictions?

[C]

So, yes, it's very smart for him to do it on A moral level? Should he go to the debate? Of course. Does that matter one iota? Of course not. So this is the world in which we now live. So is it smart for him to. Yeah, I mean, why would he show up for a debate where everybody's gonna attack him and go after him and find angles against him and he may futz around for even a moment and that'll hurt him when he could just go hang out with Tucker in a pre taped interview for 45 minutes on Twitter or X or whatever we're calling it these days. So yeah, I will say this for all those people who are looking to nominate Trump because they believe that the debates between Joe Biden and Donald Trump will be rock em, sock em robots entertainment. I just have some. I have a bad piece of news for you. There will be no debates between Joe Biden and Donald Trump. It is not going to happen. Joe Biden will not debate Donald Trump. Not under any circumstances, no way, no how. All he's going to say is, I don't debate people who are under indictment for attempting to steal an election. And the media will shrug and most of America will go, eh. And then he'll go back to sleep in the basement. There will be no debate.

[B]

So are you implying that Trump is gonna be the nominee?

[C]

I mean, he's the odds on favorite to be the nominee.

[B]

He's the odds on favorite. But you'd put your money on it, of course.

[C]

I mean, I always put my favorite, my money on the odds on favorite. That's why I'm wealthy.

[A]

I mean, but that's the one. I mean, obviously I agree with. Ultimately the smartest thing is for Trump not to debate. But the one argument that you could make that he should have debated is that Biden will not debate him. And so when Biden says he's not gonna debate now, Trump will have no leg to stand on whatsoever. And objecting, he'll still object, obviously, and he'll just have to depend on people having a memory that doesn't last more than 10 seconds. But that is gonna be a problem when Biden pulls out of the debates and Trump says, well, that's. You have to come face the voters. And then Biden's camp can say, well, what about you? You didn't debate at all in the primaries. That's a problem. I will say that. I mean, I'm a huge Tucker fan. I do wonder if the counter programming thing here is the best strategy because he's gonna be interviewing with Tucker and it'll be on Twitter. And you could go anytime and watch it. So it seemed like the smarter move probably would have been for him to go do a town hall on cnn and then you have that direct comparison counter programming. And then he could say, I got better ratings than you in that moment. And that would be.

[C]

It's also a slap at Fox, obviously, because Tucker and FOX were at odds.

[D]

So, speaking of therapists, I knew a therapist once who used to say the most dangerous words in the English language are, but I love him. You know, it's like what masochistic women do. You say, this guy's cheating on you, this guy's drinking too much, this guy doesn't commit to you. But I love him, you know, And I feel that that's the way Trump voters treat Donald Trump. It's obvious that strategically he shouldn't debate. It's obvious that morally he should. And if I'm a voter with any kind of sense of myself and the. The responsibility of politicians to me, rather than my responsibility to politicians, which is nil, I have no responsibility to politicians. All the responsibility is theirs toward me. You would be looking at him and saying, well, shouldn't you show up and make your case to me? Shouldn't you be talking to me? But it doesn't matter what Trump does. He can blow Georgia. He can lead people to charge into the Capitol building stupidly. He can do all the things that he, in fact, has done, but they love him.

[C]

But let me ask, where do you think. I mean, you kind of shrugged at the notion that it was going to be a love fest between Trump and Tucker. Where do you see potential points of conflict?

[B]

I could see potential points of conflict not in the promises that Trump is making, but in his failures in office. So I could see Trump's failure to finish the wall, perhaps, coming up. I could see Trump's.

[C]

Maybe the back stuff.

[D]

Well, Tucker has made the point that Trump has fundraised millions off the January 6, the indictments and all that, but hasn't spent a dime to defend it.

[C]

Well, I think it really should be obligatory for Tucker to ask him those questions. I'll be very curious to see if Tucker does it.

[B]

I think he has to bring up Fauci and the back stuff. I could see some points of conflict in Tucker trying to make Trump live up to the intellectual promise of Trump, as you would put it, rather than what we saw in practice, especially in the last couple years. But my only question, as I guess the friendliest to Trump, I still really like the guy, but though I'm not I have no intention of endorsing in a primary. My question is, morally, should he debate? If it were another year, if it were another candidate, if it were another type of primary, I'd say that the candidates have a responsibility to the voters to go and introduce themselves. The thing with Trump is that we all know him. The fact that this primary is a lot like 1888, the last time we had a former president running for a non consecutive second term, what on earth could Trump possibly say? What could Trump's rivals possibly say to him that would teach us anything new about Donald Trump? We already know him.

[D]

That's the wrong question, though, because an election is always a choice between specific people. So we should see Trump in comparison to Ron Desantis. We should see Trump in comparison to Vinay.

[C]

I also do want. I do want to see him asked by somebody, the simple question. You say that the election of 2020 was stolen from you. How do you plan to unsteel the 2024 election? I mean, like, yeah, I'd like an answer you get. Because honestly, if you love Trump, you should want an answer to that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

If you want him elected, you should want an answer that, like, that's a question for everybody. How about, like, if you're a Republican who wants Biden beat. Yeah. How do you plan on winning an election against Joe Biden in which you are going to spend the entirety of next year in court? The entirety. He's got four cases in the first five months of next year slated for the calendar, and every dime that's going into his campaign fund right now is going directly into his legal defense. Yeah. I mean, another question I'd love to hear asked is, you're worth $10 billion. Why are you using your campaign funds to fund your legal bills? Why don't you just pay your own legal bills? That seems.

[B]

You think he's worth $10 billion.

[C]

Don't ask me that question. I mean, I obviously don't think he's worth $10 billion, but he's not gonna answer that. Right? So, I mean, like, so that means that it seems to me that when people donate money to Donald Trump's campaign, one of the questions they should be asking is, are you using that to target Joe Biden? I thought that was the tacit guarantees that you were gonna run against Joe Biden and not against Fanny Willis. Meaning, like, yeah, you have to defeat Fanny Willis. We'd like to see you.

[B]

Yeah, it's all part of the same.

[C]

But you have a legal defense fund, by the way. I can show you how much Donald Trump cares about his legal defense fund. His legal defense fund, which was set up, I don't know, a month ago and got hacked on Friday. As of today, it is now Tuesday. It has not been unhacked by the Team Trump, nor have they complained about it. They don't appear to care very deeply about whether that website for his legal defense specifically is up and running because they're directing money from his campaign.

[D]

People are so identified with Trump that the way they see him. And I think this is fair, by the way. I think he has been treated monstrously, unfairly. I think every one of these indictments, except the classified documents one, is completely bogus, and I think the classified documents one is bogus when compared to what they did to Hillary when she was doing the same thing. So I think he's being treated so unfairly. And what people are saying is, this is true, terrible. I protest. I will stand for up with him. And my feeling is, you know, I just want to do what's best for the country. I don't. It's not that I think he can't win. I think he's the least likely.

[C]

That's why I would like to see somebody on the debate stage tonight get up and say, listen, Donald Trump should not be in jail. His indictments are bogus. I will personally sign a check to Donald Trump's legal fund right now and take out a check and write it and then say, and if. And I'm running against Donald Trump because I do not think he's the person who's most likely to be Joe Biden, because both of those things are simultaneously true. He should not be going to jail for this sort of stuff.

[D]

Absolutely.

[C]

It also happens to be true simultaneously, that you shouldn't, with a giant red target on your back, then make yourself an even bigger target by doing dumb crap like not turning back in classified documents for no apparent reason and then informing Walt Mauder, like, shift him around, away from your lawyers. I'm sorry. That's unbelievable.

[B]

That is the best thing that Ron DeSantis could do tonight would be to come out and I guess this was sort of leaked in the debate supposed debate memo. But if he came out and said, this is complete bs, this is, they're crossing the Rubicon. This is a hideous miscarriage of justice and upending of the political order. I will personally donate to Trump's defense fund, and I think I've got a better shot. And here's why.

[D]

Aside from purposely, aside from donating money to the defense Fund. He has said all that. He has.

[C]

Yeah. Stood up. But I think in order to. I mean, just on a political level, in order to create a defensive wall against the accusation that he's actively secretly hoping that Trump gets indicted. The actual signing of the check is symbolically important because then he's saying to people, listen, I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and I'm way less wealthy than Donald Trump.

[B]

The other thing about crossing the Rubicon, by the way, it's not just Trump getting indicted in Georgia, which seems to me the most egregious of these indictments. You know, it's 18 other people, some of whom are being indicted. Our friend Jan Ellis, she's getting indicted for being his lawyer.

[C]

Okay. I gotta say, why. Okay, this one is on Trump in the same way that some of the January 6th stuff, like, where is Trump signing checks for the people who went to bat for him?

[D]

He's not.

[C]

Does he not? I find that, like, Jenna Ellis is openly appealing to people for her legal

[D]

defense fund, which I understand you're saying you supported Desantis. Now you're a traitor.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

She supports Desantis.

[D]

However, I did enjoy her OnlyFans mugshot. Did you see?

[B]

I did not.

[D]

She's such an attractive lady, but she,

[C]

God bless it, Drew, no, she didn't

[D]

put out as much. She did.

[A]

She did it on purpose.

[D]

She put out this mug shot. She looks great. She sent it to me. I thought, yeah, you should be an only fans. You should charge people to look at your mug shot.

[B]

That's the legal defense one. On that note, I suppose we'll talk more about the defendants, the indictments, OnlyFans, and we'll take your questions in the member block. The member exclusive portion of our show continues [e-mail] if you are not a member, if you're just one of those freeloading hoi polloi watching now on one of these despicable social networks, head on over. Click the link in the description. Subscribe right now. We will see you there.