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So for, for a couple of years now on the show, we've been tracking the issue of flight safety, the airline industry, all the issues in the airline industry. And a couple, couple, a couple of days ago we did a show about air traffic control in particular. And we know about DEI in the airline industry and what that, what's done, what's happened there. We know about, we got planes falling apart in the skies, doors falling off and all that sort of thing. So there are the issues in the cockpit, there are the issues with how the planes are being assembled. But maybe most concerning of all, it's air traffic control because these are the people who we are relying on to. While we're all in the air, we're at their mercy. And they're gonna be the ones who our first line of defense to stop us from having a midair collision. And we know what happens. As we've seen, tragedy strikes when that job is not done in a satisfactory way. So we talked about that recently. A lot of comments from people in this industry or around it. And I think that the takeaway from these comments, as always, is that if you're kind of depressed based on what you heard on my show, it's actually way worse than that. I'm an underrated optimist, actually, it turns out because when you start reading the comments, it's always like, yeah, it's that bad, but it's so much worse. So we'll go through some of these comments. Now, my son scored 98th percentile on air traffic control testing flew and perfectly handled aircraft flight, far above required in the simulators. ATC job. Nope. All that education and training for nothing. Told by one of his instructors. Obama wanted them black and low income. Thanks, Obama. That is still shocking to hear. I mean, it's not surprising at one level, but it's also shocking to hear. And if you didn't have this context, you might hear that and say. And be skeptical. I know this is just a comment, I mean, I don't know, but that one of the instructors would actually say out loud. Well, I know that we, we, yeah, you scored 98th percentile. But we need, we need, we're looking for someone who's black. You almost want to be skeptical of that because that's so on the nose. Well, they actually say that out loud. But what we've seen is that, yes, when we've discussed the, in general, the discrimin discrimination against white men, that this is something that they're being directly told. This is a real thing. Another comment I had an alarming encounter with a ATC while on vacation in Cancun last December. He's an ATC in New York and said it's difficult for him not to crash Air Force One whenever it's in his airspace. The guy was unhinged and unstable. And yes, that is very much in line with what we've talked about on the show. If you go to the ATC subreddit and you're going to find people making comments like this and you would like to say that politics don't matter. I mean, at least they shouldn't. No one is saying that. Well, we can only have conservatives who are in the airline industry or work in air traffic control. Not. Maybe I'd prefer that. I mean, that'd be nice, but obviously that's not attainable. But the problem is that especially these days, leftists in general are so unhinged, so unstable, as you say, and are, are so convinced that if you disagree with them that you are a clear and present danger to them and to the country. And you know, your Hitler incarnate and all this kind of stuff, which gives them a moral justification in their own minds to kill you. So that's really disturbing to hear. If you think the air traffic controller subreddit is bad, the teacher one will really surprise you. I'm 100 serious when I say I pulled all my children from public school last year after I spent some time on that subreddit. I've seen some of that and I don't have my kids in public school and I don't really need to be convinced that public school is bad. You know, I'm the last guy in the country who needs to be convinced of that. But yes, I can confirm and I'll tell you, it's, it's, it's kind of in both ways. It's kind of on two levels because if you go and you listen what teachers are saying in a place where they can speak anonymously, then yeah, you'll see many comments that make you concerned about the quality of the teachers. But you'll also see they're, they're talking about, in many cases, they're complaining more openly and more freely because they're anonymous about what's happening in their classroom, about the quality of the students and the kids and what's happening there. And that to me is the, even the far more depressing fact. Because if you've got a problem with the quality of the teachers, well, in theory that's fixable. You can, you can hire better teachers. But one thing. I see and I hear this too, from teachers in my own personal life who I've talked to. Again, where they can speak off the record and they'll tell you it is it. It is so much worse than you even think. However bad you think it is, it is so much worse. Like you've got kids in these classes who cannot understand anything. Like they just can't pay attention. They can't. They can't pay attention or understand anything you're telling them, even if you can get them to put the phones down, which is hard enough, but it's just like you're talking to a wall. And yeah, teachers have always struggled with that with some kids, but now it's like the whole class this episode is sponsored by ExpressVPN. Your online activity isn't private. Data brokers track your habits, beliefs and spending, then legally sell that information. 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Everybody's high all the time, everyone's smoking weed. It's totally acceptable. It's legal in a lot of places now. In most places it seems like. Yeah, so it is. It's not hard to believe at all that you've got more and more people sitting in control towers at the airport who are stoned out of their minds. I'm not just a helicopter and fixed wing pilot. I work for the FAA as an airway transportation system specialist in the Department of Defense. I also flew this airspace before I flew this exact helicopter route day and night. The helicopter pilot was to remain below 200ft, not at 200ft. Had she been down at 100ft, where every other normal helicopter pilot would be, it would have been a close encounter. But not swapping paint. I personally looked up into the wheel well of a B757 flying there. As for controllers, it isn't just controllers. No one wanted to remain working at the FAA under Obama. People were retiring as soon as they could. This was an extreme contrast to when I worked for the faa. We couldn't get, we couldn't get people to retire. I was working with one guy that was at the FAA when it was the Civil Aviation Authority before World War II under Obama and Biden. They were leaving as fast as they could. Another comment says, add to this the fact that black ATCs are providing the test answers to other blacks in an effort to promote their culture in the tower. At this point, I'd rather drive than have to deal with the changes and dangers associated with, with flying. Yeah, that's certainly how I feel. I, I drive whenever I can, but it's, it's very often not possible, you know, for what I do for a living, what a lot of people do. You have to fly. It's like you can't abandon it entirely. And is the thing with any technology, the more that people use it, the more dependent you get on it. Because air travel's been so ubiquitous for so long. It's. People have just spread out more and people are working remote more now and all of these different things, which means that we rely on airplanes never like never before. And so you can't just cut it out of your life entirely or it'd be very difficult to. And this comment says, I've been with the post office for nearly a decade Everything you described about air traffic controllers and how their union protects their God awful behavior applies to letter carriers as well. Very similar situation. I've seen people keep their jobs after doing some of the craziest, unprofessional things you can imagine. Things that would get you fired from other non union jobs in about 10 seconds. It drives me crazy as somebody who shows up every day and cares and has to pick up the slack of these losers. And I realize air traffic control is a bit more serious than delivering mail, but the union protection for both hits everybody. Yeah, it's a very It's a really funny thing when you take accountability out of it. When you protect people from accountability, when you protect people from the consequences for their actions, when you protect people against the consequences of bad behavior, you get more bad behavior. This is like basic human psychology and we're seeing that play out in many industries. So if you have to travel around the holidays now you have this information you can take with you. So I don't know what to say. Pack a parachute or something.
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Episode: I Asked For Your Stories...And The Air Traffic Controller Controversy Is WORSE Than I Thought
Date: January 3, 2026
Host: Matt Walsh
Produced by: The Daily Wire
In this episode, Matt Walsh revisits the topic of air traffic control (ATC) and flight safety, following a previous episode that sparked strong reactions and insider stories from listeners within the airline and air traffic industries. He reads and discusses several alarming listener comments that suggest the situation in ATC is even more dire than previously thought, with recurring themes of affirmative action, instability, union protection of bad employees, and general decline in standards. Matt expands the discussion to compare ATC issues with challenges in public education and other unionized professions, maintaining his trademark blunt and critical tone.
Matt emphasizes that issues in the airline industry—planes "falling apart," poor assembly, cockpit errors—are serious, but ATC is perhaps the most concerning because passengers' lives depend on their competence and stability.
Walsh reads a listener comment about a high-achieving, white male ATC candidate who was allegedly denied a job due to diversity and inclusion (DEI) policies.
He references the Obama administration, claiming it prioritized hiring minorities for key safety roles, to the detriment of merit-based hiring.
Matt shares a listener’s tale of meeting an ATC in New York who openly admitted to struggling not to "crash Air Force One," deeming him unhinged.
He points out the dangers of politics influencing such critical positions, even if only via the personal instability of those holding them.
A comment describes black ATCs allegedly supplying test answers to other black candidates “in an effort to promote their culture in the tower.”
Matt expresses personal preference for driving over flying, but laments that for many (including himself), flying can’t be avoided.
On DEI in Aviation:
"He scored 98th percentile. But we need...someone who's black." (02:00)
"Obama wanted them black and low income. Thanks, Obama. That is still shocking to hear." (01:20)
On Political Extremism in ATC:
"Leftists in general are so unhinged, so unstable...gives them a moral justification...to kill you." (03:10)
On Decline of Public Education:
"You've got kids in these classes who cannot understand anything...you're talking to a wall." (05:00)
On Drug Use Among ATCs:
"We had three guys get discharged for testing positive for weed. Dear God." (06:25)
"It's not hard to believe at all that you've got more and more people sitting in control towers...stoned out of their minds." (07:00)
On Union Protection of Incompetence:
"I've seen people keep their jobs after doing some of the craziest, unprofessional things..." (08:50)
"When you protect people against the consequences of bad behavior, you get more bad behavior." (09:15)
Matt Walsh’s episode presents a grim assessment of the current state of air traffic control, focusing on diversity policies reportedly trumping merit, instability and political radicalism among controllers, drug use, and union protection for bad employees. Drawing parallels to public education and postal work, Walsh laments a broader cultural trend of declining accountability and standards. For listeners, his message is both a warning and a call to awareness about the people and systems responsible for their safety in the skies.