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Unnamed Interviewer
We require women and people of color to be involved in the interview.
Unnamed Pilot
I have never seen a black woman fly a plane.
Unnamed Journalist
With fewer than 1% of pilots women of color.
Unnamed Commentator
In their various public statements and press releases, United Airlines has made it very clear that they are mainly interested in hiring pilots on the basis of skin color and gender rather than competence. In fact, they participated in a Vice documentary back in 2022. United did about their DEI initiatives. Watch.
Unnamed Pilot
So we are in a plane right now. I'm about to take off with a student from United's new aviation academy. I'm a bit nervous, but let's do this. Purefoy is training to become a pilot with United Airlines, which became the first major airline to launch its own flight school at the beginning of this year. But United is making another push. It said half of its recruits are going to be women or people of color. A pretty ambitious goal for airline planes pilots who are 93% white and 95% male. Black women make up less than 1% of the pilot industry. I have a confession, guys. I have never seen a black woman fly a plane. What made you want to become a pilot?
Unnamed Commentator
So I was a flight attendant for three years at a major US Airline and absolutely loved it. So a couple years ago, United decided that 50% of its new pilot recruits are going to be women or people of color. And they're promoting flight attendants to. Later on in that Vice documentary, it suggested that the point of this initiative is to alleviate the pilot shortage. Well, how is that going? A few days ago, the conservative commentator Ashley St. Clair posed a few questions to United based on some information that she had received. And here's what she wrote. Quote, On July 29th, a United plane was nearly totaled after a hard landing. Who was flying that aircraft? Was the co pilot, a former flight attendant who was fired and then rehired through United's DEI program despite being on a list to not return to United. Am I correct that this individual failed multiple trainings, including simulator training? Am I also correct that United has covered up this DEI disaster and many others? That's the question she posed again from based on insider information that she had received. Now, United didn't reply, which you may have noticed is something of a pattern. No one thinks we deserve to know anything about what's going on in the cockpits of the planes that we are flying in. You're just supposed to assume that everything's fine and that the flight attendants are transforming into master pilots at United's training academy. But the more you look into the specifics of United's diversity initiatives, the less solid that assumption seems to be. It turns out that United partners with several historically black colleges and universities, or HBCUs, as a way of recruiting pilots. One of the popular statistics focused accounts on X, which uses the name IO. Notice that two of the schools that United has decided to team up with, which is Delaware State and Elizabeth City State University, are, quote, in the bottom 2% of all undergraduate institutions in the United states. The bottom 2% is where they're finding their pilots. Elizabeth State, the account noted, quote, had the distinction in 1980s of being the only university in which the average SAT math score was lower than that score, which would have been produced if a person had guessed B on all multiple choice questions on the test. That's a pretty sobering reality, especially if you plan on flying United anytime soon. Now, to be fair to United, they don't just recruit from HBCUs with no standards. As a writer who goes by the pseudonym Peachy Keenan found, United also recruits from an organization called Sisters of the Skies. Yes, that is an organization that sends pilots to United Airlines and their acronym is literally sos. At least you can rest assured that they have a sense of humor at United. As your plane is plummeting to the ground, maybe that will give you a little bit of a laugh. And it gets better. Watch.
Unnamed Journalist
Jada Williamson's always dreamed of sitting in the cockpit and calling the shots.
Unnamed Commentator
What I like about flying is you get to see different things you've never seen.
Unnamed Journalist
But that dream of a career in aviation is a rare one for black girls to accomplish. With fewer than 1% of pilots, women of color.
Captain Teresa Claiborne
It was tough, I won't lie, because there was no one that looked like me.
Unnamed Journalist
Now, Captain Teresa Claiborne is part of a group of trailblazing black women pilots hoping to increase those numbers.
Captain Teresa Claiborne
We believe if they see it, they can be it.
Unnamed Journalist
She was the first black female pilot in the US Air Force and is president of Sisters of the Skies. She is now a United Airlines pilot. Why do you think more black women aren't becoming pilots?
Captain Teresa Claiborne
It's extremely expensive. I mean, it takes upwards of $100,000 to get your licensing to fly. So if our young ladies are not seeing it, if their parents don't have the funding for it, then it's not going to happen.
Unnamed Commentator
Well, that's inspirational. If they can see it, they can be it. You know, that's the kind of thing if you're in, if you're flying in a plane, you know, that's what you want out of your pilot to know that. Well, they saw it. At least that's the qualification that they fall into that. They saw it and they became it. Now, again, this is an organization that's training the pilots that are flying commercial aircraft. And this isn't training, really. This is like a kindergarten classroom with these vapid self help slogans and inspirational slogans. At no point are these people concerned about safety or competence. They want to put black women in the cockpit because they want to inspire more black women. And that makes them feel good. Not because they think they're getting smarter or better pilots. Because if you want to get smarter, better pilots, then that's all you're concerned with. You just go looking for pilots who fit these qualifications regardless of what they look like. If they happen to be a black woman, then great. If it ends up that you have no black women pilots, then that is also great. Because if you're just hiring and recruiting based on merit, then whoever's in there is the best for the job. And it's fantastic. This is not just some PR stunt. United is actually following through on this. According to United's latest corporate diversity report, of the 51 students that graduated from United's first class of pilots, quote, nearly 80% were women or people of color. So they vastly exceeded their target of 50%. And you can just decide for yourself whether they got to that 80% figure, because they happen. It just so happened that all of the most qualified, almost all the most qualified people were women or people of color. I mean, if you believe that, then fine. They've almost completely eliminated white men in their training classes and were led to believe that this is progress. Meanwhile, pay no attention to the planes plummeting towards the ocean or smashing into the Runway, which is happening right now. To be clear, this is a problem that extends far beyond United Airlines. I mean, they're maybe the most vocal about their DEI practices, but every airline does this. A few years ago, In February of 2019, an Amazon Air cargo plane, a Boeing 767 operated by a contractor called Atlas Air, plummeted into the Trinity Bay near Houston. Now, what was the reason for that crash? Well, the first officer, Conrad Aska, accidentally pressed the button, giving the plane a massive jolt in thrust, which pitched the nose up. And instead of reacting calmly to the situation, as trained good pilots are supposed to do, he panicked and he forced the control column all the way down. The plane broke through the clouds and disintegrated on impact with the water. Now, Conrad Aska never should have been flying that plane. Prior to joining Atlas Air and Amazon, he had worked for seven different airlines where he developed a reputation for pressing random buttons in emergencies. He would always panic in the simulator and just lose all situational awareness and start pressing buttons. But airlines kept putting him in the cockpit anyway. And that's why in its final report on the crash, the NTSB cited systemic deficiencies in the aviation industry selection and performance measurement practices which failed to address the first officer's aptitude, related deficiencies and maladaptive stress response. Now, what explains those systemic deficiencies? Well, we can't say for sure. We do know that Conrad Aska was born in the Caribbean nation of Antigua. He was a black man, which certainly checks some diversity boxes. And we also know that Atlas Air's website is full of platitudes about the importance of hiring candidates based on certain characteristics like their race and gender. So we can come to some unauthorized theories here about why Conrad Aska was flying that plane, and none of them are very encouraging. Now, this is not to single out Amazon or United or Atlas. This kind of diversity hiring is endemic in the aviation industry. Keenan says that she's received several messages from pilots warning her of this danger in recent days. So here's one anonymous message that she posted. Quote, every airline has an informal pilot assignment program that makes sure their unfirable DEI problem children are always paired with adult supervision. These programs are maintained by aging boomers who are immune to the Kool Aid. As these guys retire, every flight will be a roll of the dice. Now, remember back, we just talked about that flight that almost crashed into the ocean and you had the one person who didn't know what they were doing and pressed the wrong button. And then the other guy that's trying to figure out is that one of those situations, Was this a babysitting mission? We don't know this rampant DEI mandate doesn't just extend to airlines either. A few weeks ago on the show, when I predicted that we're due for a major air disaster soon, I talked mainly about DEI based hiring and air traffic control. There's also a push to diversify the ranks of companies that manufacture and install various airline parts. And that includes companies like Spirit Aerosystems, which is no relation to Spirit Airlines, which manufactured that door that blew out on the Alaska Airlines flight over Portland the other day. Like United and Atlas Air, Spirit Aerosystems website is full of DEI propaganda. In fact, just days before the door blew out on the plane, Spirit executives were posting eagerly on LinkedIn about their next big diversity event. Meanwhile, the company knew they had more serious problems. Shortly before the door fell off of a passenger plane mid flight, Spirit Aerosystems was hit with a class action lawsuit in federal court. And in the lawsuit, investors alleged that Spirit was aware of the systemic defects in their products, but ignored them and falsified documents to hide them. In one instance, the lawsuit allegedly Auditors repeatedly found torque wrenches in mechanics toolboxes that were not properly calibrated. This was a potentially serious problem as a torque wrench that is out of calibration may not torque fasteners to the correct levels resulting in over tightening or under tightening that could threaten the structural integrity of the parts in question. But the mechanics didn't want to comply with the audit. According to the lawsuit, quote, some mechanics would not even let auditors take such out of calibration tools, locking toolboxes, or yanking them back out of the auditor's hands to prevent the audit. Now obviously, if these accusations are even remotely true, they reveal some very concerning problems at a company that makes critical components for the planes that you are flying in. We all know creditors profit from your debt. They benefit when you're trapped in high interest payments. They want you drowning in personal loans, medical debt, credit card debt collections and expensive mortgages because financial strain makes you easier to control. Well, it's time to take back control and fight back. That's where people PES debt comes in. What I really appreciate about them is that they understand your financial situation is unique. They look beyond just numbers to create a personalized plan specifically for you. There's no minimum credit score required to get help. Their goal is to help you save more, pay off debt faster and put money back where it belongs in your pocket. The reputation speaks for itself. 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They include hearing vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism. The initiative is part of the FAA's diversity and inclusion hiring plan, which says diversity is integral to achieving FAA's mission of ensuring safe and efficient travel across our nation and beyond. The FAA's website shows the agency's guidelines on diversity hiring were Last updated on March 23, 2022. So this is part of their diversity efforts is to get in people with disabilities. Now, in fairness, just so that we don't engage in any clickbait hyperbole here, this doesn't mean that United Airlines or Southwest is going to go and hire a blind, mentally disabled dwarf to be a commercial pilot. Now, I wouldn't, wouldn't be surprised if we get to that point, but that's not what this means, at least not yet. There are a lot of other jobs in the airline industry, generally a lot of other jobs in the faa. And people who defend this policy or any DEI policy will argue that, you know, they still have the same hiring standards in place that they always have. So if they hire somebody with a physical disability or a psychiatric problem, that person is still going to have to pass all the same tests and demonstrate his fitness in the same way as anybody else, which means that if they get the job, then they're qualified. And that's the claim, Right? That's the DEI defense. And in theory, that could be true in some cases, like if there's a job filing paperwork or whatever at the FAA office, there's no reason why somebody who's hearing impaired couldn't be perfectly qualified to do that job. So in theory, someone who happens to fulfill a DEI quota doesn't need to be unqualified. In theory. But if that's all that was happening, right? If they were just letting anybody apply and then hiring the best of that crop, then you wouldn't need dei, because that was already the case. Okay. But like, I'm pretty sure that prior to this DEI standard being put up on the website or updated in 2020, two, prior to that, you know, you could be a hearing impaired person and get a job filing paperwork at the FAA or whatever. I mean, that was already the case. So when you add in dei, you're adding in something extra. And what are you adding in? Well, the moment you say we need to get more of this sort of person into these positions, you're looking at a particular demographic, whether it's disabled, whether it's black people, whether it's women. And you're looking at a demographic saying we need more of them. Specifically, you're not saying we need more qualified people, you're saying we need more of those people. And even if you're saying we need the most qualified of those people into this position, even if that's what you're saying, which even that is not, actually, that would be better. That would still be terrible. That would be better than what they're actually doing. But the moment you do that, then you are going to end up lowering standards. Because with the current standards, before dei, whatever the standards were, you had however many people you had in whatever demographic, right? And if you want more of that demographic, the standards are going to get lowered. Because with the standards up here, you had the standards up here, you had X number of people in your favorite demographic. So if you want to get even more, then that means the standards are going down here. And it's insane. It's insane on many levels. It's especially insane because to begin with, if you're looking at the airline industry and you say, well, we have a minority of women, or we have a minority of black people, or we have a minority of disabled people, that's not a problem. Like, why is that a problem? If the ranks are full of people who are qualified and few of the qualified people happen to be female or black or whatever, who cares? Doesn't matter, doesn't make a difference. It's not a problem that needs to be solved. As long as you're bringing in the most qualified people, whatever the demographic makeup happens to be at the end of that doesn't matter. It's not a problem. And so if no one is black, that ends up in that, that ends up in that camp. Not a problem. If you end up with everyone is black, also not a problem as long as race is not taken into account at all and you're just hiring the best people. But again, that's not how it goes. And here's the CEO of United making it clear how it really works.
United Airlines CEO
Listen, how is diversity and diversity targets working into the AV8 Academy, we have.
Unnamed Interviewer
Committed that 50% of the class, of the classes will be women or people of color. Today, only 19% of our pilots at United Airlines are women or people of color. And by the way, from all the data I've seen, that's the highest of any airline in the country.
United Airlines CEO
White males don't just dominate in the cockpits. Also in the C suite at United Airlines.
Unnamed Interviewer
Well, look at United. I'm proud of the diversity that we actually have in our C suite. I think if you look around corporate.
United Airlines CEO
America, correct me if I'm saying, though. So this is just based off your website, the people you list as executives. But out of 11 people, three are women, I believe one is a person of color.
Unnamed Interviewer
That's correct. But, you know, in corporate America, I.
United Airlines CEO
Think, you know, that's a low bar. How do you raise your own bar?
Unnamed Interviewer
Well, a lot of this is, you know, focusing on it. We have programs to. One of the things we do is for every job, when we do an interview, we require women and people of color to be involved in the interview process. Bringing people in early in their careers as well and giving them those opportunities.
Unnamed Commentator
Yeah, you know, you gotta get those white males out of there. Right. You know, the white males, you know, the people that have made air travel into the safest form of travel that's ever existed. The form of travel where you're 35,000ft in the air and going 400 miles an hour, and that's the safest. So. And the people who predominantly who achieved that were white males. And so how do we thank them? Let's get them out of. And when I say that the people who predominantly achieve that are white males, I'm not making that up. That's. The proponents of DEI are the first to say that. Like, they're the ones who are gonna look at it and say, well, historically, it's been a white male dominated field. Okay, so you're the one saying that. Okay, well, also historically, what has this field achieved? Those white males who are dominating the field, were they doing poorly? Was there an issue? Was there a problem? Were they screwing up? No, the people who not only invented human flight to begin with were white males. And then the people who, even according to the DEI proponents who made it unbelievably safe, were also predominantly white males. So, yeah, we got to get them out. Got to get those numbers down. This is what we're doing. We're looking at. We're saying, okay, here's an industry that's doing fantastically well, has achieved feats unknown to mankind. What's the demographic predominantly responsible for that? Let's single them out and then try to get rid of them. And that's what they're doing now. It is. It is suicide. Well, I was going to say it's suicidal, but it's not really, because the CEO of United probably isn't even flying. Like, he's probably flying private. You know, he's not back in coach on a United flight, so it's not suicidal for him. I bet you he wants to make sure the people flying his planes that he's on are the most qualified. So, no, it's not suicidal really, as far. It's homicidal, actually, is what it is.
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Release Date: June 21, 2025
Host: Matt Walsh
Platform: The Daily Wire
In this episode, Matt Walsh delves into the contentious topic of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives within the air travel industry. He argues that while DEI aims to create a more inclusive workforce, its implementation in airlines like United Airlines is inadvertently compromising the industry's safety and efficiency.
Walsh begins by examining United Airlines' aggressive DEI strategies, highlighting their goal to have 50% of their new pilot recruits be women or people of color. He cites a Vice documentary from 2022 that scrutinizes these initiatives, suggesting that the airline prioritizes diversity over competence.
Unnamed Commentator [00:43]: "United Airlines has made it very clear that they are mainly interested in hiring pilots on the basis of skin color and gender rather than competence."
This approach is contrasted with the current demographics of pilots, where 93% are white and 95% are male. Walsh emphasizes the rarity of black women in pilot roles, noting that they constitute less than 1% of the pilot industry.
The conversation shifts to the practical challenges of implementing DEI in pilot recruitment. An unnamed pilot shares his personal experience:
Unnamed Pilot [01:03]: "I'm about to take off with a student from United's new aviation academy. I'm a bit nervous, but let's do this."
Despite United's efforts, Walsh points out that DEI programs may not be effectively addressing the underlying issues:
Unnamed Commentator [04:37]: "United is making another push. It said half of its recruits are going to be women or people of color."
He further criticizes the selection of partner institutions, mentioning that United collaborates with historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) that rank in the bottom 2% of all undergraduate institutions in the United States.
Walsh presents alarming incidents to support his argument that DEI hiring practices are undermining flight safety. He references a crash involving an Amazon Air cargo plane operated by Atlas Air, attributing it to a pilot with a history of incompetence:
Unnamed Commentator: "Conrad Aska... had a reputation for pressing random buttons in emergencies... Airlines kept putting him in the cockpit anyway."
The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) report cited systemic deficiencies in pilot selection and performance measurement, implying that DEI initiatives may have lowered hiring standards.
To provide balance, Walsh includes direct statements from the United Airlines CEO and the company's spokesperson during an interview:
United Airlines CEO [18:41]: "We're committed that 50% of the classes will be women or people of color."
Unnamed Commentator [19:05]: "White males... have made air travel into the safest form of travel that's ever existed."
Walsh argues that despite corporate claims of successful DEI implementation, the overrepresentation of women and people of color in pilot training classes does not necessarily translate to increased safety or competence.
Expanding beyond United Airlines, Walsh asserts that DEI-driven hiring practices are prevalent across the entire aviation industry. He cites Spirit Aerosystems, a major manufacturer of airline components, facing a class-action lawsuit for ignoring systemic defects and falsifying documents to hide issues.
Unnamed Commentator: "Spirit Aerosystems was hit with a class action lawsuit... Mechanics wouldn't let auditors take out-of-calibration tools."
This, Walsh contends, reflects a widespread problem where DEI initiatives may be compromising the integrity and safety of the entire air travel ecosystem.
The discussion also touches upon the FAA's diversity and inclusion hiring plan, which targets individuals with various disabilities and conditions. Walsh is critical of this approach, questioning whether it compromises job standards:
Unnamed Commentator: "When you say we need to get more of this sort of person into these positions, you're looking at a particular demographic... and you're looking at a demographic saying we need more of those people."
He argues that prioritizing demographic characteristics over merit can lead to the lowering of standards, posing risks to aviation safety.
Matt Walsh concludes by emphasizing the potential dangers of implementing DEI initiatives without adequately considering the implications for industry standards and safety. He warns that prioritizing diversity over competence could lead to increased accidents and systemic failures within the air travel sector.
Unnamed Commentator: "This is suicide... it's homicidal, actually, is what it is."
Walsh calls for a reevaluation of DEI policies, advocating for hiring practices based strictly on competence and qualification to ensure the continued safety and efficiency of air travel.
DEI Initiatives: United Airlines and other major carriers are aggressively pursuing diversity targets, aiming for a significant percentage of pilot recruits to be women and people of color.
Safety Concerns: Critics argue that such initiatives may compromise the hiring of competent pilots, citing incidents and systemic deficiencies as evidence.
Industry-Wide Issues: The problem extends beyond airlines to manufacturers and regulatory bodies like the FAA, raising concerns about the overall safety and integrity of the aviation industry.
Corporate Discrepancies: Statements from corporate leaders about the success of DEI programs often clash with reported outcomes and safety records.
This episode of The Matt Walsh Show serves as a critical examination of DEI's role in reshaping the air travel industry's workforce, urging stakeholders to prioritize safety and competence over demographic diversity.