Building the Board: Arch Manning vs. Dante Moore for 2027 QB1

Summary

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The McShay Show

Building the Board: Arch Manning vs. Dante Moore for 2027 QB1

Date: June 22, 2026
Host: Todd McShay (with cohost Bucky Brooks)
Podcast: The Ringer

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Episode Overview

This debut episode of a new seven-part “Building the Board” series dives head-to-head into the two highest-profile quarterbacks for the 2027 NFL Draft: Arch Manning (Texas) and Dante Moore (Oregon). Todd McShay and Bucky Brooks lay out their early evaluations, debating which prospect stands atop the preseason QB1 board, and dissect both players' strengths, developmental needs, and what will define their draft destinies. The tone is energetic, insightful, and transparently critical as the hosts seek to cut through hype with concrete scouting evaluations.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Series Introduction and Format

• This seven-part “Building the Board” series centers on direct prospect comparisons for the 2027 quarterback class.
• The first episode spotlights Arch Manning and Dante Moore, widely considered the top two QB prospects entering the college football season.
• The evaluations are designed as preseason baselines, with more adjustments to come based on the coming year’s performances.
• Grades and analysis are part of an evolving NFL-like Big Board, shared on the hosts' public website and newsletter.
• (03:42) Supplemental Draft Updates: Brief mention of Brandon Sorsby’s rare supplemental draft process (not a key QB1 contender).

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2. Opening Consensus: Moore Over Manning (08:13–10:26)

• Both McShay and Brooks independently state that Dante Moore is the top quarterback prospect as of now.
  • “I don’t know how you don’t have Dante Moore as the top quarterback prospect in this class... it is clear to me that Dante Moore is the best quarterback prospect in this class.” — Bucky Brooks (08:13)
  • “I can’t stand when we have the same takeaway... it was a glaring difference... so few missed throws, and such a high level [with Moore].” — Daniel Jeremiah (Todd McShay) (08:46)
• Reminder: While grades and opinions will evolve, both scouts are “shocked” at the current gap given Manning’s hype.

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3. Dante Moore: Strengths & Weaknesses (13:31–20:10, 36:28–40:10)

Strengths

• Mental Processing & Field Vision
  • Moore operates at a “graduate level”–he processes coverages and leverage exceptionally fast. (13:42–14:54)
  • “Watching his brain work in real time... I just kept thinking about, this is easy for him.” — Brooks (12:00)
• Accuracy, Timing, and Anticipation
  • Elite ball placement and anticipation; receivers rarely have to adjust for his throws.
  • “Throws one of the most catchable balls you could ever imagine.” — McShay (16:48)
  • Quick, repeatable, fluid throwing motion.
• Quick Decision-Making
  • The “ball gets from A to B quicker” due to instant processing; his release and decisiveness offset only “slightly above average” arm strength.
  • “Easy stuff’s easy... he makes the game look easy.” — McShay (18:22)
• Pocket Mobility
  • Not a high-end runner, but enough mobility and “suddenness” in the pocket to escape and extend plays when necessary. (23:23)
  • Compared favorably to C.J. Stroud, with some Deshaun Watson-like playmaking.

Weaknesses

• Aggressiveness and Risk Management
  • Needs to be more aggressive downfield.
  • Sometimes, “the right read isn’t the right decision”; risk of being too smart for his own good, as seen on pick-sixes when DBs bait him. (36:28)
• Deep Ball Consistency
  • Accuracy on deep shots can improve, especially when defenses try to jump short routes.
• "Doctorate Level" Growth
  • “Graduate level” today, but not yet transcendent; how he responds when teams adjust will be crucial.
  • “If he can start burning teams that are going to try and do that to him, that’s how he’ll take his game to the next level.” — Brooks (37:40)
• Big-Game/Clutch Questions
  • Needs to show “Mendoza moments”—signature late-game heroics or game-on-the-line clutch, especially after a disappointing national championship game. (40:19)

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4. Arch Manning: Strengths & Weaknesses (20:12–33:43)

Strengths

• Elite Physical Tools
  • Prototype size: “two inches taller, 15–20 pounds thicker” (approx. 6’4½”, 235 lbs). (20:22–22:39)
  • Outstanding straight-line speed and power as a runner—“Josh Allen taking off running”–level potential.
  • “He’s got better feet... not stiff... can make you miss... has the size and power to break tackles.” — Brooks (24:53)
• Playmaking Under Pressure
  • Shines improvising when the play “breaks down”—makes defenders miss, throws on the run, and can deliver in “scramble drill” situations.
  • High-end mobility for size, both in the pocket and in open field.
• Progress as a Processor
  • Eyes and field reading improved as the season progressed, especially late in the year and in the bowl game win over Michigan.
  • “There was a confidence about him late in the season and especially in that [Michigan] game...” — McShay (33:43)

Weaknesses

• Consistency & Accuracy
  • Ball placement, accuracy, and “marrying feet to eyes” remain inconsistent.
  • “I don’t see a guy who’s ever going to be as naturally accurate or have the ball placement as Dante.” — McShay (27:40)
  • Early in games can be “unsettled,” misses open targets, and sometimes resembles “over-caffeinated” QB play (35:12).
• Footwork
  • Footwork often not aligned with progressions, especially under pressure or versus complex defenses.
• Reliance on Athleticism
  • At times, leans on athletic tools to compensate for inconsistent passing mechanics.
• Supporting Cast Issues
  • Texas skill position players, notably Wingo, struggled—a challenge, but also not a complete excuse for missed throws.

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5. Comparative Context and Draft Projection (34:00–42:00)

• Both players have distinct “homework” for the season:
  • Moore: Needs to prove big-game clutch gene and survive as defenses adapt.
  • Manning: Must become more accurate, refine his footwork, and demonstrate consistency start to finish.
• Both are likely first-round picks, but their preseason margins leave room for different 2027 draft trajectories. The evaluation gap is currently “not even close” according to both hosts, but history suggests plenty can change.

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6. Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On consensus and evaluation:
  • “While we live in a culture of debate... there’s unbelievable value when two people who pour in the time... come to a consensus opinion.” — McShay (09:00)
• On Moore’s field vision:
  • “The way his neurons fire... It’s impressive the way he operates from within the pocket.” — Brooks (12:00–12:50)
• On Manning’s running ability:
  • “With Arch, man, it’s legitimate. Like Josh Allen taking off running. Nobody’s Lamar, but... we got to account for this.” — McShay (24:13–24:42)
• On evaluating quarterbacks:
  • “It’s the most important position... and also one of the hardest positions in the world to evaluate in any sport, because the stuff that’s most important is the stuff you can’t... there’s no stat for it.” — McShay (42:02)

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7. Initial Grades (46:02–48:42)

| Player | Brooks' Grade | McShay's Grade | | -------------- |:------------:|:--------------:| | Dante Moore | 94 | 93 | | Arch Manning | 91 | 91 |

• Both emphasize significant room for growth and the importance of “signature moments” in the coming season.
• Moore is the clear preseason QB1 on their board; Manning is a high-upside QB2.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Series/format intro & supplemental draft updates: 02:10–05:40, 03:42–05:40
• Initial big takeaway (Moore vs. Manning): 08:13–10:26
• Moore strengths: 13:31–20:10
• Manning strengths: 20:12–24:42
• Comparative play styles and NFL comps: 23:47–24:42
• Manning weaknesses and improvement: 27:40–35:12
• Moore weaknesses and developmental needs: 36:28–40:10
• Importance of “Mendoza moments” (clutch play): 40:11–42:00
• Draft grades discussion: 46:02–48:42

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Engaging Takeaways & Listener Value

• The analysis is full of detailed football scouting terminology, comparisons to recent and current NFL QBs, and insider process transparency.
• Both hosts are clear: Even with the Manning name and Moore’s reputation, the true “QB1” crown will require clutch, high-leverage, late-game performances in 2026—traits no spreadsheet or highlight cutup can quantify.
• The show sets a high bar for accountability: these early summer evaluations will be continually updated as “Building the Board” unfolds across the 2026 college football season.

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Next Episode Preview

Coming Thursday: Sellers vs. Sorsby — two of the most physically gifted QB prospects in the class.

For more detailed scouting reports and ongoing draft board movement, visit theringer.com/mcshay and subscribe to the McShay Report newsletter.

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Transcript

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

we're going to break it down. We're going to go head to head with guys. We're going to go Arch versus Dante. Wednesday we're going to be back right with SBE versus Sellers. I think it will tape it. Wednesday night comes out Thursday morning and the beat goes on all the way down. We got C.J. carr, Julian saying Mater Mayava, all of them. So we're fired up to present that and today's day one of it. And we'll wrap it up at the end. Part seven will be all these grades that we're compiling. Now let's create our board, hence building the board for the 2027 quarterback class. It is important to note as I mentioned, Sellers and Sorsby, even though Sourceby is in the supplemental draft as of our understanding at this moment today, 22nd June, Monday is the day that he had to have his paperwork in. We'll find out more details on the supplemental draft assuming the NFL is going to allow for it and then they're going to give us a date. I'm guessing it's going to be July 20th. Something right is when the supplemental draft is going to happen. We've given you all the details on how that works. The three tiers lottery within each tier, six games or fewer wins last year, seven or more without the playoffs and then playoff teams. We've talked you about all the different teams that could be interested and we'll get in more detail on Wednesday, Wednesday, Thursday when we, when we break down Sellers versus Swords because they have similar type styles of games. It is important to note the only news update we have on that today is that July 10th is his pro day workout.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And so that's when every team that's interested will, will converge. It sounds like was it South Lake, Texas? The high school is, is going to be the, the site of it and, and, and we'll see how that works. And then there's according to Albert Breer when he was on our show, there's a one week window where all these teams with all this baggage and all of this, let's call it unique, all these unique circumstances surrounding Sorsby, they've got this one week window of flying private jets him to the facility them to the to work him out to try to sort through some of that stuff and as coaches like to say get their hands on them one on one.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Installs. How does he prepare, how does he adjust on the fly, those sorts of things. So it's, it's going to be a fascinating process and one quite honestly that really hasn't come to fruition in terms of a player being drafted in the supplemental draft since what was it, Jalen Thompson, the, the fifth round safety that was drafted who's still in the league. You just got another contract back in 2019. So pardon all of us if there's a little bit of gray area I've got to call into the NFL offices. McCarthy I think trying to figure out the.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right, so we'll just give you a little behind the scenes 20 seconds. We had Bre on our show and he said I just confirmed that the jets who have three picks in the first round or the Browns have two picks in the first round are able to not not only use their pick but also can use one of those other first round picks that they already have. And then I and then I and then I happened to catch I think it was get up or one of the maybe McAfee where I think it was McAfee actually where Schefter came on and said it's only their original pick they can use. So I text Schefter right away. I'm like just checking in on this and he's like is my understanding that that's the case. He's like why don't you reach out to the league office. So I'll give you an update on Wednesday and what I hear but that

[Bucky Brooks]

changes things significantly right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean it could I don't I'm of the mindset I don't think anyone in the league is going to use a first round pick on him. But I can't rule it out. I think it's probably going to be a day two pick. But we'll get into all that on on on Thursday when when the episode drops Arch versus Dante and we're going to try to rapid fire this and I want to remind everyone theringer.com McShay is where our our big board, our mock drafts, all of our scouting reports are we are building up towards as we talk this this whole series is building the board on behind the scenes mention. I are not only on these quarterbacks but all the other prospects. We've got like a top 120 list that we just kind of solidified based off of our findings talking to people in the league what we use for our my early way too early mock draft. Then the national and Blessedo list came out. So we've kind of compiled all of just to give us a list on the players to evaluate. We're starting that process already. We're going to be fueling that website that we are so proud of and so excited that all the traffic that it got and the responses that it got the first time around, we're going to continue to build that out and this will be the first time where we get you preseason evaluations and continue to build that board throughout the season. It's going to be a year round draft site as we've always envisioned. Right. Also the newsletter, the McShay Report, you can google it and subscribe or just go to the website again. Theringer.com McShay you can find all your information there. We are going to be providing much more detail. But for these shows, men, we've kind of etched out a, an outline and we want to get through some of the different categories that we want to share with the audience here and not bore them with all the details and play number 63 on the cut up and all that stuff. But let's give a really good feel for these quarterbacks and what we're seeing in comparison with one or the other. And then in the seventh part of the series, we'll come combine all those grades and thoughts and, and kind of create our preseason heading into the season board of the 2027 quarterback class. So I want to start with this knowing that you and I probably spent similar amount of time watching tape on both Arch Manning and Dante Moore, presumably the top two quarterbacks heading into the year, but not necessarily going to be the top two drafted when it comes to next April's selection process. What's your biggest takeaway when you were done watching Dante and Architect?

[Bucky Brooks]

I will tip my hand right away and I won't get into too much specifics about grade wise and all of that, but my biggest takeaway is I don't know how you don't have Dante Moore as the top quarterback prospect in this class. After watching the two of them, I see the path for Arch Manning to be the number one overall pick and surpass or move past Dante Moore. But right now it is clear to me that Dante Moore is the best quarterback prospect in this class.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I can't stand when we have the same takeaway and mine was going to damage.

[Bucky Brooks]

We specifically did not talk, we spoke over the weekend. I said, I, I, I feel really strongly, I'm not going to say anything right now and I, I specifically didn't give you anything because I thought you might feel differently.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

While, while we live in a culture of debate, I think there's, I think there's unbelievable value to when two people who, who pour in the time necessary and also have kind of a decent idea of what they're looking for, come to a strong opinion and it's a consensus opinion. Now all evaluators might not see it the same. You and I frequently in situations like this see it a little different. I'll expand upon it. Like even the national list, like had Arch ahead of now. Now the evaluator who's typically not like it's not like a college director or someone who's been doing typically it's a not, I don't want to say lower level but you know, someone young in their career is Cutting their teeth a little bit.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And so we don't put a lot of stock into the grades as much as we do the list to make sure that we have all the same names and we're all. We're evaluating the same guys, but it was interesting. And it's also important to know the. The person who's evaluating that Texas and the southeast or southwest region is not the same guy who's evaluating the, you know, out west. And so, yeah, there's no cross trick.

[Bucky Brooks]

Cross checks to the nationalist. Right. I mean, they're not sitting in a room. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So my point is this. Not. Maybe not everyone sees it the same, but I. I watched Dante first and then watched Arch.

[Bucky Brooks]

I was the opposite.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I think the same takeaway would be there. It doesn't matter who you watch first. It was a glaring difference in scheduling, anticipation, catchable passes, receivers not working for it, so few for Dante, so few missed throws, and such a high level. I don't think I appreciated it. It's why it's so valuable when, like, we're watching it in bits and pieces as the season goes on and trying to keep perspective on, like, the Oregon team and the progression of where they are. And then you go back and you just watch the cutups of all the throws and all the decisions and the running, and we'll get to strengths and weaknesses in a minute. My biggest takeaway is this. Arch has the tools and enough traits and the support to actually wind up with a higher grade when it's all said and done, and much more importantly, wind up being the more effective, dynamic quarterback in the NFL. He does. But right now, if you're telling me, who do you want to go win games with, who's more equipped from an NFL standpoint, it's Dante Moore.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's not even close.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's actually not even close, man. And I'm shocked by it.

[Bucky Brooks]

And I think that there are some people who are listening or watching this and saying, I mean, I just watched Dante Morgan's Indiana, the national championship game, and, ugh, I mean, it was. You know, it's got to leave a bad taste in people's mouth, and I understand that. And Dante Moore is not in the. You know, he's not a perfect quarterback prospect. And we will get into it. There's weaknesses and there are concerns. But when you're looking at the body of work, watching his brain work in real time, the. The way his neurons fire is like, I just kept thinking about, this is easy for him. And I do think that that led to some problems late in the season that we'll get into. I'm just gonna foreshadow a little bit there, but he understands, he understands leverage, he understands coverage. He just knows where the ball needs to go against certain looks and he gets the ball out on time. He's accurate. It's impressive the way he operates from within the pocket. And one thing I do want to clear up here, I'm stoked to get either one of these guys. This is not a. Okay, well, I'm a Dante Moore, guys. Now I'm going to start bashing Arch Manning, right? And I think Dante Moore is really smart. It does not think.

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[Bucky Brooks]

I think that Arch Manning is dumb and is not going to process at the same level at some point. That is not what we're doing here. That's. It's a more nuanced argument than that. If you're coming here as a, as a more fan or a Manning fan, you're probably not going to get everything you want out of this podcast. That being said, he processes different than any quarterback.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let's. Yeah, let's get into it. So, so take me through the strengths that you see in Dante and I'll follow up and then let's get in the strengths of, of Arch so that we can provide some real, some depth here.

[Bucky Brooks]

He, under Dante, understands route concepts and what he's seeing from safeties and linebackers and their leverage in coverage where they're dropping to certain areas of the field and he gets the ball out. You could say this. I think that Arch has a slightly stronger arm, but it almost doesn't matter because the ball gets from A to B quicker for more in certain situations because that he's. He's so quick to trigger. I'll also say this about him. I think that he's got to be a little more aggressive, but he has the arm strength to be effective throwing downfield. I don't want to get into the weaknesses too much. And he is more mobile. He's not in the same category as Manning, but I think he's more mobile than people maybe give him credit for. He can extend plays. He can make some off platform throws. I think the Penn State overtime touchdown throw was, was a good example of that. But to me, again, I'm just going to keep harping on the same thing. It's the way he sees it. It's how fast he processes it. He comes up to the line of scrimmage and he's. He understands what not only his offense is trying to do, but what the defense is trying to do. And I will say again, this is kind of a little foreshadowing. It got him into a little bit of trouble late in the season, and I'll get into that later on.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I. I think Dante, while his arm is. We do one through five.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right?

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

One being exceptional, five being marginal, three being average. I wouldn't put it as average, but. But it might be a 2.5 if we were doing points. You know what I mean? Like his.

[Bucky Brooks]

That I was having a hard time. You told me no more point fives. I had a couple. There was a couple of these where I was like, that's a 0.5 with you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think his arm, it's between average and slightly above average. And I think what makes it slightly above average is what you're talking about. It's like the old Dilfer stuff.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

We used to talk about low door arrival, like from. From the millisecond your brain processes. This is where I'm going with the throw to when it gets there. And part of his. His brilliance as a passer is that his. That millisecond happens sooner than arch and. And just about every other quarterback out there at the same time.

[Bucky Brooks]

You don't see his ball tail at the end. When you start getting concerned about. It doesn't tail at the end. It's got good ball.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's just. That's why we're talking about a 2 versus like, right. 3, 2 and a 2 and a 3 versus a 3 and a 4. Like, it's not. This is not like. Like the Kellen Moore or like, you know, like guys where it's like, we gotta overcome this. It's not. It's perfectly fine. I would say this as a passer. Accuracy, I don't want to start with. Let's start with timing, anticipation, touch trajectory, ease of receivers being able to catch the football. We talked about. Blackledge and I had a conversation offline early last season before he was getting ready to do the Penn State game. We were just comparing notes on. On Aller vs. Dante and how wide of a gap there was.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And he made the point and I totally agreed with him. Throws one of the most catchable balls you could ever imagine. Like as a. As a former quarterbacks, like watching how easy he makes it on receivers to go catch the ball. There's something. There's something to that. Right at the end of the day. It's about executing the completion as a passer with all those elements involved. I don't know that you can find one in the last. In the last two drafts that throw the ball and is like high level passing skills as Dante Moore provide for the team that drafts him in 2027. I truly like he's the best.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Passer throws.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's the Laird throws where you're getting it over linebackers and into these. These pockets against zone looks where I think he's better than like I love Mendoza and I really do, but I think he's a little bit. So I would agree with you. I think he's a little bit better in that area about. Of like just that touch. The timing and the touch are. When he's on a roll, man. It is. It looks easy for him. It's just easy for him. And also tell me you're. I always like to get your take on this, but his throwing motion is repetitive. It is. It's rinse, wash, repeat. It's the same thing every single time. And it's just quick and fluid and his feet are there. I just love the throwing motion and basically what that leads to. I mean, did you see the same thing there?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I did. I. I kept writing out like, the easy stuff's easy, you know, and. And I think sometimes we get so carried away with. And for good reason. Like, what are the special traits? What does he do? The easy stuff's easy. The intermediate stuff. He leads them. He just. He makes the game look easy. And that's. And that comes with repeatable throwing motion. Getting the ball out on time, knowing where to hit. Like cover two beaters, corner safety, putting it in there. The back shoulder fade stuff is beautiful. His anticipation. I. I know we. I don't want to get into a lot of like, you know, deep stuff, but like, like just the anticipation. There was one throw where he. Where he threw. I think it was Sadiq out of bounds. Sadiq dove early to go get it. But where I kind of rewound it, you know, there's some throws right. I get excited. I start bouncing my mic around. Tucker gets pissed. Behind the scenes, there's some throws where you get so excited about where the ball come out versus where it wound up going. And this was a throw. This was a throw to his left. Back, back, cut, not corner, but back. Middle of the end zone, the left side. And Sadiq, when he was breaking, the ball goes out and he's breaking about 20 yards away from where this ball goes. It's hard to have that kind of anticipation. And had Sadiq gotten there and like gotten his feet down like I think an NFL receiver and I think Sadiq will wind up getting that point where it was put, like, right. If this is the end, like the out of bounds line, it's like right on the edge, you know?

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And to have that in your toolbox of being able to place the ball with anticipation like that is you. You can drill it, but some guys have it, some guys don't.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let me. I'll. I'll start with this with Arch first.

[Bucky Brooks]

We're staying with. We're going to stay with the strengths and the end of the weaknesses, right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep, yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He is two inches taller. He is 15 to 20 pounds thicker. And my goodness, man, I don't know why. I don't know why it took me. Going back with a fresh mind, feeling good about life. Come off. Coming off of Italy. Buongiorno, Mensche. No, but I might wear like a. A one button polo, you know, Pulled it up. Going down to the beach with some short shorts. A mental image nobody wants. My gosh, he's fast.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, he is. I mean, the Michigan run, the run against Michigan, the. In. In the bowl game.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Which one? Which one when?

[Bucky Brooks]

The one that sealed the game. The one that sealed the game.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But how about the three before it?

[Bucky Brooks]

I know, I know, but I'm thinking, I think people probably remember the one that sealed the game and him just.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I totally understand, but I jotted down like four of them. I think that was the fourth one where I was like. And the A and M game, he was not very good, but he. But the thing that Arch has. And I don't want to. I don't want to throw people off and say, well, he's a terrible passer, but he can run. You know, it's not that we'll get to his weakness and weaknesses and areas that I want to see improvement. It's something in his tool bag that very few quarterbacks have. And it's, it's. I think it's fascinating because everyone looks at Art, looks at Peyton and Eli and forgets about Grandpappy, you know, and, and. And forgets that dad. Dad is actually, you know, a wide receiver. Was a wide receiver.

[Bucky Brooks]

Best athlete of the brothers. I mean, athlete wise, he was the best athlete.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Not even close.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Mom's a good athlete, from my understanding, really good athlete. And you can see it, his. I want to know. I don't know that he'll ever run a 40. Nor do I. Like, does it matter? But I'd love to see his 10 yard split, man, when he takes off with Those long legs at 6 foot 4 and change. He was listed on national 6, 4, 2, 3. I. I'm told he's like, closer to 235 than 230. And I'm told it's like 64 and a little change. I've stood next to him, every bit

[Bucky Brooks]

of it on tape, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He looks every bit of six, four and a half, 235, you know? Yeah, it's. It's a. And that's when we talk about the upside versus where they are. It's some.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay. Dante's got really good pocket presence. He doesn't always feel it, but when he feels it, which is more often than not, I just think we remember, like, a corner cat blitz. Dante didn't feel it. Like, there's. There's a handful of those, but he's still a young quarterback, right?

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

But for the most part, Dante feels it, senses it. Knows when to climb versus outside pressure, knows when to slide versus interior pressure. Knows when to climb and then slide out like.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yes.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And throws the ball well on the run, especially to his right side. Dante. That's Dante. And occasionally they'll use him on some zone read option on a third and two or.

[Bucky Brooks]

Not his thing, though.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But not his thing. He was listed in high school as like, a 49 guy. I don't. He's not that slow. I think he's a 4. I think he's a 47 guy.

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[Bucky Brooks]

No, he's not Tom Brady, but. But he's. He's not. Yeah, he can get. But.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But he does have some suddenness in the pocket. So, like, he's got enough where it's like he's somewhere for me, between

[Bucky Brooks]

more.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

More leaning more. C.J. stroud is the NFL comp. I think, for. For Dante.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

But I see some desean Watson thinking about desean before all this craziness that's happened in career.

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What.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What made him great at Clemson, what made him great in Houston. There's some more escapability again, like if. If. If this is. If my left hand is. Is desean and my right hand is Stroud. He's, like, way closer to Stroud, but you see some elements of desean of, like, that inside the pocket stuff. But with. With Arch, man, it's legitimate. Like Josh Allen taking off running.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think that's fair.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Nobody's Lamar, but, like, it's. It's legitimate. Oh, we got to account for this. It's a problem.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And he lean. He's got better feet for a Guy

[Bucky Brooks]

who's that tall and that big, he's got pretty good feet. He's not stiff, so it's not just a straight line thing where he takes off. He's got some feel as an OP in the open field about how to change speeds up a little bit. He can make you miss if you don't, if your technique's not sound. And then he's got the size and power to break tackles. I mean, I gave him the top, our top grade for mobility. I didn't, I thought that was a slam dunk. Easy for me. Especially also adding into the pocket. When he's in the pocket, those feet show up too, where he can side step pressure. He can elude guys off. Yeah, that's what I'm just gonna say, man. Guys who you think have him dead to rights don't. He's one of those cats. He's one of those guys that you can think that you, you're gonna, you've got him, it's done and dusted. You're gonna wrap him up and he will get out of it and he will make a play. That's where I think he's at his best. I think again, I don't want to say he's to downplay some of the passing, especially some of the progress that he made over the course of the year because we can get into that in a second. But that's when he's at his best, man, when he's. The bullets are flying and he's got to make a play and he's got to even within the pocket, if he has to climb the pocket, he has a sidestep. One signs of someone, the instincts take over now, right? He's not thinking anymore. He's reacting and just playing. And that's when he's at his best. And then when you get him outside the pocket, when he scrambles, obviously he shines in those areas as well.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think we've kind of given it away, so we might as well just transition here. The weakness like art. Here's my thing with Arch and the ball placement. It's consistency now 100%. Some guys are more naturally accurate than others. I don't see unless something drastically changes, I don't see a guy who's ever going to be as naturally accurate or have the ball placement or that, that touch and feel as a passer as Dante.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Now, Josh is a totally different animal throwing the football than he was coming out of Wyoming. Lamar, same thing coming out of Louisville. Jalen Hurts same deal after Alabama and Oklahoma. Okay. Not saying he can't get to a level that's, that's really good and really reliable. And in fact, I'm counting on him making big strides this year. Here's the point I want to make with architecture. I don't know that he's ever going to be that, like, precise, you know, I just, I, he's a long levered guy. He's a, he's a better athlete than he is. Just pure natural, you know. But here's what I see. Arch's eyes got so much better as the season progressed. And why is that important? When a quarterback's eyes aren't in the right place, it's scrambling. It's like your, your, your brain becomes scrambled eggs. It's like, right. And what happens like, well, how does that affect your throwing? It's a very, very clear and proven correlation, especially as a tall guy with long. I say long levers. Like if your feet aren't married to your eyes and your eyes aren't going in the right place at the right time, what happens is your eyes go. And if you're listening to audio, I'm going right to left and your feet are, are back at the first spot. Or maybe you're kind of catching up to when you throw. I see A lot of throws where he, his footwork is. It's not all married up and then, and then you have the, the, the other part where he may never be just this like precision Drew Brees, Tom Brady guy. So it's a bad marriage right now. But as the season progressed from that Ohio State game and some of the other lumps he took and we got to the second half of the season and we're like, I feel like we

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, here comes Arch starting to see the guy we thought we were going to see. We saw more glimpses of that, that those positive times where eyes are right, feet are married, balls out. But still we're at Texas A and M, second to last game of the season.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I, and I'm not going to bore people with the notes, but I got like off target. Multiple throws, badly off target. Rolling right wide receiver in the end zone. 12:18. Like I got a bunch of those throws in. Early in games, he seemed, it seems like he's unsettled.

[Bucky Brooks]

One of three games he completed less than 50% of his passes and he earned it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Now. Yeah, there are excuses to make. Wingo dropped more passes than that I can remember.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And can we just say this really quickly?

[Bucky Brooks]

Wingo, I can't wait till you get. I get that report from you. I mean, he was maddening at times watching tape. I thought as we. We think about the Texas supporting cast is so good. I, you know, and I don't want to feel like, I don't want to make it seem like I'm giving arching out. But it was times where I just was getting the feeling like, do these guys just think that Arch is just going to do it on his own? There were times from receivers to protection to running backs, it was. He's got to get a little more help from a Texas team that's supposed to be. They have a. One of the most talented rosters in the country. I mean, I felt that the supporting cast just wasn't there. I thought Wingo at times was. The pace of his routes was just off. He was giving up on certain routes. It was, it was tough to watch.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you, you hope Cam Coleman coming in lights a fire like, yes, competition creates motivation. But yeah, like even the Michigan game, Arch just flat out took over that Michigan game. Like, we're not losing. We're not losing. My, my first bowl game starter like. But early building. But early in that game, early in the game, shaky first few throws I wrote then takes over, took complete control of the Game legs and arm. He missed an open target to his left, like, right away, looking right to left, came back and like. Like stuff that honestly, like Tates 11, it's like, what are we doing? You know? But then as the game went on and he started running a little bit, kind of like got into the flow of the game. Then. Then you see him start to, like, this confidence in him. And now he's going. He's like, I like the progression stuff. Late in the year, he actually knew where he wanted to go with his eyes and he was kind of decisive and there was a rhythm to it. But then it's like a quick slant to Wingo. Drop comes right back to Wingo, drills a strike. You know, it's like, I'm not. You're not going to lose me here. Let's go. Come on. And then. And then a few plays later, like, drill the COVID 2 beater between the corner and the safety down the left rail. I can like, literally see it in my mind. I don't see the note to remind me. And it wasn't. It wasn't Wingo there. It was maybe McClellan or one of the other receivers. Drop, like, just flat drop. Then there was a beautiful play that he had rolling to his right. Throws. Touchdown. I think it was at one point called back because of penalty. I think it was too many or.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm encouraged by the Michigan game overall. I mean, the Michigan tape is encouraging. You're hoping. How much does that carry over? I mean, that's tough to say, but if you're looking to end the season on a high note, I thought it might have been his best game of the entire season. I mean, I just thought it was that good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There was a confidence about him late in the season and especially in that game where he kind of. He was overwhelmed early on, talking to people in. It was number one overall pick, national championship, Heisman Trophy. All of this attention, and he hadn't started a couple games, but, like, he was never the guy. And so. And then he comes out in his first. His first treatment is a trip to Columbus to play Matt Patricia. And you think, well, they lost eight starters to the NFL last year. Maybe. Maybe Arch can get them. Early on, that defense was even better, man. Talking about Arvel Reese and like. And. And Sonny Styles, like, come on. So it took him a while to get into a rhythm, but. And I honestly, when we talk about what the homework is, I'm actually excited to get down to Thibodeau, Louisiana on I'm fine on Thursday morning. I'm excited to sit in a room and just talk to him. What have you worked on? Not what I see. Like what have you worked on? And I'm hoping the answers are going to be, I got it. Like, I got to get right with my eyes. When I started to get right with my eyes, my feet were married up. I'm working on like the same thing that we saw from Mendoza from the Cal year to his one year at Indiana. It was this repetitive motion. Everything is like, that's what I want to see for March. We get that for March. We got a fascinating, fascinating debate here come April.

[Bucky Brooks]

Here's why I'm optimistic about it. I watched that tape and I think a lot of these throws, he just seems like you've, you've spoken about this before. He's over caffeinated. Like some guys are just so. It seemed like he was so jacked up. Now if the game is starting to slow down for him, I think that's the next part of the evolution for him is that. And I saw it too. Same concept, same look. He wasn't making certain plays against Ohio State that he was making at the end of the year. And granted, different defenses, I understand all that, but it was the same concept, same look. He's now a little more patient with the throw. He's delivering it a little more accurately. I think that's the next step in his evolution and I'm, I'm optimistic about it. Yes, he may not ever be that the surgeon that Moore is, but I think he can get more accurate. I think he's going to be better in that. So the thing, I've hinted at this a little bit. I want to transition to more here. I've hinted at this. Moore is a graduate level pastor right now, but he's not yet at the doctorate level. And I think you saw this especially late in the season against Texas Tech, which he played well in that game for the most part, and especially Indiana. And I wrote it down for him. Sometimes the right read isn't the right decision, Dante. And what's happening now is teams really started to pick up on Oregon's tendencies. Pick six is a great example.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Great.

[Bucky Brooks]

He sees the corner off. He thinks his, his, his, his receiver has leverage coming on the comeback route, but he fails to recognize that the corner never opens up and you cannot make that throw. So the breed is, is this is there for me. It's been there. They made that. He made that throw dozens of times over the course of the season and all was well because those Corners always dropped or opened up. They didn't do it on that play. He's got to recognize that as a play continues, that he's got to be ready for that. Texas Tech did some wild things with their safeties, man, they were jumping routes and letting street runners go behind them. And I. And that is a testament to Dante Moore of. We cannot be traditional here. We can't be, you know, whatever the word is. I'm not coming up the right word, but do what we always do in this look, because if we do, he's just going to take that seam route to the tight end every single time because he has the accuracy and the smarts to do it. So now we got to start jumping that. Dante's got to see that, and that ties into a little bit of his other part of his game. He's got to be a little bit more accurate throwing downfield. If he can start burning teams that are going to try and do that to him, that's how he'll take his game to the next level.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I think sometimes we forget because he's so advanced as a passer. Right.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Those games you're. You're referring to are his 19th and 20th college start.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

And. And, and the first five came two years earlier at UCLA as a true freshman when he was swimming in it. And then he took a season off essentially as a red shirt at Oregon. Kind of learned, sat back. I've always told you, some of the best learning I did and some of the best improvements I ever did was when I was forced to sit and watch.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right, Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you, you see the mistakes, you see what works. You. You get this burning hunger of like, this is, I need this job, you

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know,

[Daniel Jeremiah]

but, but I want to remind people, look at the difference in Jaden Daniels, who was in his, like, second and a half, third year as a starter that first year at LSU compared to his last year when he became the second overall pick. Look at Joe Burrow, first year at LSU, second year. Look at Bo Nix, late Auburn, early Oregon versus final product that got him his 12th overall pick. Look at Fernando Mendoza and around his 19th, 20th start versus what we saw in the College Football Playoff, you know.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And in the Big Ten championship.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like different animals. So I always refer to this. It's rinse, refine, repeat. Like, he's not going to be at the Manning Passing Academy. Apparently he and he and his coaches are. Some are going to be out in China or somewhere like that. Like, I think there's a rinsing process. I think it's a refinement process going on. And now he's going to come back probably a little stronger, a little bigger, a little bit more refined. I think I'm expecting to see another. I'm expecting to see more of a leap, probably because we need to see more of a leap for March. I'm expecting to see a doctorate level, Dante Moore. And now granted, it's, it's not a new offense, but it's a. It's a new coordinator making the, making the calls for Dante. And that'll be interesting to watch. If anything's different in that regard, you know, obviously the Stein. Will Stein goes to Kentucky, takes the head coaching job. Drew Meringer comes in now as the. He's with the staff. He's going to take over that.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

The place.

[Bucky Brooks]

Smooth transition.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. Because. Because Will Stein is. Is one of the best in, in all of college football at what he does.

[Bucky Brooks]

Who's going to have the Mendoza moments? Who's going to have the. The comeback wins the big throw against Iowa, against Penn State? Who's going to have the, you know, State.

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Who are.

[Bucky Brooks]

Who's going to have the Mendoza moments? And I'm not sure we don't have that answer yet. It's kind of a hypothetical. I'm not, I'm not looking for you to answer that now. That'll be interesting, too. I mean, Arch will get the first bite of the apple to really show up because he's got, I mean, Oregon's schedule, I think, is pretty slow in the beginning. Arch has Ohio State in Austin. I think the second game on September 12th. Can't wait for that. Can't wait for that. So he'll have the first bite of the apple to kind of have that big game moment. I'm interested to see. I think both guys are capable. I do not worry about the mental toughness of these two and I do think that they, they need that in their resume because I. You could say Dante Moore was great against Penn State and, and he got the win against Texas Tech in the playoff. But the Indiana games, I mean, we need to, we need to see a little bit more in that kind of a caliber game. In the national championship game, Dante Moore did not play well. And Arch, the same thing. You could say the Mississippi State game, he was great, but that was one of the worst defenses in the country. Michigan's encouraging, but Vanderbilt almost came back late. That looks like it's a tight game. It wasn't, I think the Kentucky game, they won in overtime. He did not play well in that game. Who's going to have the Mendoza moments? Who's going to step up with the spotlight on? I think both are capable, but who. Who takes advantage will be interesting.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's a really good point because we kind of know all the traits. Right. And we'll see. And we just outlined what's the homework, right. What are the areas that we need to see improvement so you can get to a point as a general manager running an organization, making the most important decision of your fucking career.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Literally, it will define them. It could define them. It could be a setback, but it could define them. So why is it important to see those moments? It's like he's still the same player. The answer is so simple. And I think sometimes we get caught up in all the other noise and like, how do you. Was he. Was he the alpha dog at the combine group? And. And what do we hear about him off the field? And does he put in the work and the commitment? And he's got this big arm and he's mobile and he's. But like, at the end of the day, one of it's. It's the most important position, you could argue, in North American sports, and it's also one of the hardest positions in the world to evaluate in any sport, because the stuff that's most important is the stuff you can't. There's no stat for it. There's no analytic. There's no analytical numbers that support it necessarily. There's no. The height, the weight, the speed, all that stuff. It's important for all these other positions and certain skill sets. Right. But like, as long as you have a baseline of arm strength, a baseline of pocket, pocket mobility, it's about how you react in those moments. Third down, critical, fourth down, big games, fourth quarters. And so as evaluators, all we got is the tape. And yeah, we want to know every detail. What do they eat for lunch? What are they like?

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All of it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because it helps us get an understanding of who the human being is. But nothing is more important than those moments. And so point you make, it's a great point because both of those guys, what's missing? And there's. There's homework to do in both those areas.

[Bucky Brooks]

I.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

For Dante, I think there's something too. I consistently see when there's mistakes made, pressure bearing down, doesn't have an escape hatch, kind of forces something or like he gets a little rattle. Not like Mendoza, but they're like, if you go back and there's not many of Them, but you go back and look if you just isolate those. So we know that for him, we know it's the. The consistency of the ball placement and relaxing his. His feet and marrying it all up in his eyes for arch. Right. But at the end of the day, what's missing and why they're both back in in school, especially for Dante, is what did Fernando do? Fernando was not great against Iowa regular season, Fernando was not great against Penn State regular season, Fernando was not great in many moments, and we chronicled all of them until. Game on the line, fourth quarter, fourth downs, red zone. What was he like? 28, 28 touchdowns, no interceptions in the red zone. But the moments that matter. Fernando was unbelievable. And that's why the Raiders are like, that's our guy.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We need that from both of these guys this year. And I'm glad you made that point because I hadn't even necessarily thought about that because I was so caught up in the traits. That's what's missing in the resume. And my goodness, do they have opportunity Multiple times, many times this year and every single game, the fourth downs, the third downs, the red zones, all that stuff. But those big games, we're going to be sitting here Saturday nights getting ready to go on live prime time, both looking for the same thing. How like charting fourth downs, third downs, fourth quarters, red zones, game on the line. What did they do? You know? All right, let's. Let's do this. We're going to finish each one of these segments with an initial grade. And obviously grades can change. The grade for Mendoza was a lot different than the coming in July last year.

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June.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

July was a lot different than the one we w up giving him. This is a baseline. Fernando was a 93. Great for. For me, but I think you were. Were right about there for Fernando. But you can speak now if. If you thought saw it differently. Had a 90 on Simpson. I believe I can double check that. Either 90 or 91 on. On Ty Simpson little hobby Rams didn't think so. Ask Sean McVeigh as Leslie.

[Bucky Brooks]

Of course they took him.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's still bothering you. I'm just double checking.

[Bucky Brooks]

It keeps me up at night because it just. It's going to make you look good and I hate that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know you do not.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

90 grade and Ty Simpson. I want to say going back Caleb was like in 96 or 95.

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[Bucky Brooks]

Rare air, man. It was Andrew Luck. The highest you ever did. 97.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

99.

[Bucky Brooks]

You're even 99.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

I was young. I was. I was Generous back then you'd have to be just, just short of Jesus of Nazareth to get a 99 these days from me.

[Bucky Brooks]

If you played at Ohio State. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But anyway, so, so yeah, with. I just wanted to give that as backdrop right now. If you had to give a grade on. On Dante and had to give. Give a grade on arcs. Why don't we start with Dante? You go first. I'll, I'll follow up. I've got it written down so I'm not. I'm not adjusting to anything. You say Dante's great. What would it be?

[Bucky Brooks]

94.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I got a 93.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay. And then for our tech with.

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With.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

With obviously growth potential to. I want to see those moments. I want to see that. I want to see a little bit of refinement. But mostly I want to see the moments. I want to see him carrying the way that men. I think it's fair to come in with a similar grade to an identical grade to Mendoza now. But what's missing because I think his skill set is better than Mendoza's. Even though he's not quite as big and all that.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's not quite the runner in terms of size and power.

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But.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, but I think. I think Dante is a more skilled passer and I think that's why the Raiders even midway through the year before Dante made a decision were like we gotta. We got a hard choice on our hands. If we see from Dante that elevation. I absolutely envision his grade being higher. But right now. So we're 93, 94. What about Arch?

[Bucky Brooks]

91.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's what I gave him. 91 with. With even higher upside for him. But don't know that one in one season we're going to see it.

[Bucky Brooks]

I listen, I'm. I'm optimistic that Arch. It's just where we are now. And this, you know, I don't. We're tailing off here at the end. But I, I will say this is the hard. One of the hardest things I. An evaluator in the off season is projection. Where is this kid going to be? And you get caught up in it. And that's how. That's how preseason grades get elevated and get inflated. And you got to be careful about it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right, we're back Thursday morning. I love this series.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

This feels right. We go head to head, knock out these grades. The seventh part of the series, building the board. 20, 27 quarterback class is going to be. Now we got all these grades. Let's go through them. Let's make sure we get everyone slotted going into the season and it gives us our baseline for the season and what's to come. And we can always, we can always update it and work off of it, but we'll always have that as our baseline to make sure that we go back and keep ourselves honest. But we're taping Wednesday night, I believe Thursday morning, first thing in the morning it'll drop. Appreciate everyone who's watching on Netflix, man, keep growing this thing and pumped about what everything that's going to happen with Netflix moving forward, Spotify obviously and Apple, wherever else you get your podcast, it'll be out Thursday morning. And, and again I want to Remind people the McShay Report and our website, which is our database which we're going to continue to grow until it becomes the the, the next NFL front office college draft database is the ringer.com mcshay where all of our reports, all of our grades. We're, we're doing this now to show you behind the scenes of what is going to wind up fueling this thing. And for the first time ever, we're going to have this site up and running before the season starts. You're going to be able to follow along throughout the season, watch the grade adjustments, watch the evaluation changes. It's going to be fun to do together where everyone full transparency on what we do it. But yeah, we'll be back on Thursday with Sellers Sorsby, Lenore Sellers, S.C. i'm

[Bucky Brooks]

excited about this one.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Brandon Sorsby who's going to be in in next month's supplemental draft. We'll have any news updates on on Sourcebee and what's going on there. But we do know as I mentioned earlier, July 10 is now going to be his pro day workout. So the summer of Sorsby will continue and we'll I think it's gonna be fun to break down those two because similar traits, similar level of raw to their games but my goodness, they might be the two most physically gifted quarterbacks that we're evaluating in this seven part series. So appreciate it. We'll see you Thursday morning. Mention five stars as always.

[Bucky Brooks]

Thanks man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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