CJ Carr vs. Julian Sayin: Talking Traits, NFL Comps, Ceilings, and More

Summary

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The McShay Show – CJ Carr vs. Julian Sayin: Talking Traits, NFL Comps, Ceilings, and More

Host: Todd McShay
Co-host: Steve Muench
Date: July 2, 2026
Duration: ~60 minutes (main content)

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Episode Overview

Todd McShay and Steve Muench continue their “Building the Board 2027 QB Class” series with a deep dive on two of college football’s elite young quarterbacks: CJ Carr (Notre Dame) vs. Julian Sayin (Ohio State). The episode centers on comparing their traits, NFL comps, developmental ceilings, and how they stack up in an increasingly deep projected 2027 draft class. The hosts reveal their current quarterback big board, explore the strengths and weaknesses of each prospect, and discuss what each needs to show in the coming season to rise or fall.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. News and Quick Updates (02:00–09:40)

• Brendan Sorsby News:
  Discussion about Sorsby’s path back to the NFL draft after controversy, his invite to the Senior Bowl, and showing contrition and personal growth.
  “Be accountable... Show that there's a plan, show that you understand what you've done and start preparing for the 2027 NFL Draft.” – Todd (03:19)

• John Matier Mechanics (and Why Offseason Tape Is Tricky): Analysis of quarterback John Matier’s visible offseason improvements, but skepticism about how much to trust preseason mechanics tweaks.
  “It’s a blast to watch... But I want to see it in the game.” – Todd (06:37, 07:06)

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II. Setting the Stage – Carr vs. Sayin: Context and Eligibility (09:40-11:55)

• Both Carr (Notre Dame) and Sayin (Ohio State) are entering redshirt sophomore seasons; both started every game in 2025.
• Neither have appeared in the main national scouting lists due to extra eligibility—both could return in 2027 or even 2028.
• “They absolutely have the opportunity to return to school. In fact, they have two years remaining... maybe that's the cutoff with the national and Blesto (lists).” – Todd (11:16)

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III. First Impressions/Big Takeaways (12:22–16:39)

• Both Are Accurate but Aggressive QBs:
  Both avoid being "check-down Charlies" and rank top-10 in yards per attempt.
• McShay’s High Praise for Carr:
  “I honestly believe after watching his tape in year one ... when CJ Carr’s career at Notre Dame is over, that he’s the best Notre Dame quarterback we’ve seen in our lifetime.” – Todd (15:10)

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IV. CJ Carr Breakdown

Weaknesses (16:39–22:43)

• Early Season Struggles:
  Examples from the USC and Pitt games—forcing throws, red zone mistakes, missed opportunities under pressure.
• Mobility:
  “He is absolutely no threat as a runner... the mobility is meh.” – Steve (20:23)
• Over-the-Middle Passing:
  “He’s not as great throwing over the middle as I want him to be right now. He’s way better outside the hashes.” – Steve (21:18)
• Big Game Ability:
  Hosts want to see Carr win or take over in games against elite competition.

Strengths (32:46–38:51)

• Elite Timing and Layered Throws:
  “His timing and touch on layered throws down the hash and outside the numbers is elite, elite, elite.” – Steve (32:46)
• High-Level Processing:
  Seen as a “coach on the field”; strong at reads/progressions for age.
• Physical Maturity:
  “He looks like... this is the next evolution”—filling out physically, poised for another jump.

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V. Julian Sayin Breakdown

Weaknesses (27:07–30:43)

• Ceiling Question:
  “Are you worried that he's maybe tapped out? That he's closer to his ceiling?” – Steve (27:08)
• Limited Mobility & Arm Strength:
  “I don’t think he has a very strong arm... There are times he needs to put the ball on a rope... has a hard time doing that.”* – Steve (27:33)
• Relies on Anticipation & Touch:
  Downfield passing relies on touch/anticipation more than velocity—a boon and a limit.

Strengths (39:51–44:03)

• Elite Processing/Decision Making:
  “His ability... to read corners and defensive backs and get the ball out quickly and on time... is his superpower.” – Steve (39:54)
• Accuracy (Short-Intermediate):
  “His short to intermediate accuracy is exceptional. Completed 77% of his throws. One of the highest...” – Todd (28:53)
• Downfield Aggressiveness When Appropriate:
  Hosts debate whether Sayin plays it too safe or is just situationally cautious—especially given his embarrassment of riches at receiver.

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VI. Contextual Factors: Supporting Casts & Usage (22:43–26:54)

• Carr played in a run-heavy offense with two first-round RBs, less WR talent.
• Sayin benefited from a historic receiver group (Jeremiah Smith, Carnell Tate, Innis).
• This year: Carr will have more opportunity and responsibility in the passing game; sayin will have new blue-chip WR talent incoming.
• “The shift happens for Carr... know your role, understand what you’re being asked. But it’s going to be a different look Notre Dame offense this year, and I’m here for it.” – Todd (26:20)

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VII. NFL Translation & Traits (47:15–49:35)

• Both seen as cerebral/pass-first QBs whose “games translate” to the NFL, though Carr’s physical traits open more offensive possibilities.
• “I would say the traits of Carr translate a little bit better. I think his better traits... open up more possibilities; less scheme-driven.” – Todd (48:18)
• On passer rankings: Top-3 passers (in terms of mechanics, IQ, accuracy): Dante Moore, C.J. Carr, Julian Sayin.

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VIII. The Quarterback Big Board: Current Rankings Debate (50:02–62:00)

Current Top-6 (in order)

1. Dante Moore
2. Lenora Sellers
3. C.J. Carr
4. Arch Manning
5. Julian Sayin
6. Brendan Sorsby

Grades Given

• Carr: Equal or marginally above Arch (both ~91), behind Sellers and Moore.
• Sayin: 89 (both hosts; Steve briefly floated 90); compared directly to Sorsby at 89.

Notable Quotes:

“I think we both have Dante as the number one quarterback prospect. Sellers right behind him. Arch then would be third, and Sorsby would be fourth... now I want to ask you... where do we slot Carr and Sayin?” – Todd (52:34)

“Let’s start with this. Higher grade... on Carr or Sayin? Higher grade on Carr.” – Both (52:57)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Carr’s All-Time Potential:
  “I see a path where when CJ Carr’s career at Notre Dame is over, that he’s the best Notre Dame quarterback that we’ve seen in our lifetime.” – Todd (15:10)
• On Sayin’s NFL Comp:
  “I've heard the Drew Brees comparison... that’s the absolute ceiling. That is the ceiling.” – Steve (27:08)
• On Quarterback Development:
  “Everything is a work in progress ... when we say 'gave,' we're giving [grades] currently.” – Todd (23:03)
• On Ceiling vs. Floor: “That's another great argument of potential versus what you know—like the ceiling here, the floor here...” – Steve (60:42)
• On “Shooter’s Shoot:”
  “Shooter’s shoot, man.” – Todd on staying aggressive with prospect evaluations (39:28)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Brendan Sorsby update & Senior Bowl Invite: 02:00–04:45
• John Matier Mechanics Analysis: 05:29–09:40
• Carr vs. Sayin Context & First Impressions: 09:40–16:39
• CJ Carr Weaknesses: 16:39–22:43
• Carr & Sayin Supporting Cast Discussion: 22:43–26:54
• Julian Sayin Weaknesses: 27:07–30:43
• NFL Comp/Ceiling Discussion: 30:43–32:46
• Carr Strengths: 32:46–38:51
• Sayin Strengths: 39:51–44:03
• Do Their Games Translate? NFL Fit: 47:15–49:35
• Big Board & Grades Debate: 50:02–62:00

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Analysis Summary

• Carr is praised for his football IQ, poise, timing/accuracy, and progressing quickly as a young starter. Needs to show improvement under pressure, mobility, and over-the-middle passing, but has the highest Notre Dame QB ceiling in decades.
• Sayin stands out as an exceptional processor and distributor with elite efficiency, but questions remain about his arm strength and ceiling. Drew Brees and Tua Tagovailoa comps illustrate his style and limits. Ball placement, timing, and decision-making are NFL-ready.
• Both are in the “NFL-caliber starting QB” bucket, trending top-5 on the preliminary board. Carr’s tools give him a slight edge in “scheme versatility” and ceiling.
• The 2027 class is shaping up to be historically deep, with the hosts noting very strong QB depth beyond even these two.

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For Listeners

This episode is a masterclass in quarterback evaluation, focusing on tangible college performance, NFL projection, and how to weigh physical tools vs. mental acuity. If you’re tracking the next wave of quarterbacks for college football or the NFL draft, this paired breakdown of Carr and Sayin—along with a look behind the rankings process—offers insight you won’t find on just any big board.

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Transcript

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[Lead Analyst]

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[Co-Analyst]

I'm excited, man.

[Lead Analyst]

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[Co-Analyst]

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[Lead Analyst]

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[Co-Analyst]

Sneaking it in there.

[Lead Analyst]

Thank you. Brendan Sorsby. It's been the summer of Sorsby, so you knew I was going to have to say something today about sbe. Let's get it out of the way quickly. Congratulations, Brennan. You did the right thing. We did a whole, I mean I did a whole PSA on Take your medicine. Be accountable. Don't file a lawsuit against the NFL. It's Big Tobacco. It's Big Pharma. It's not worth it. I've talked to people in the league. What they want to see is you A continuing to get right, B get your mind and body right for the 2027 NFL Draft. C, and probably most importantly, and it was, it was basically stated right for him to read by the NFL when they, they made that press release. Right. Do some self work, actually be accountable. Take ownership for what you did. And the next time they hear your voice, it needs to be your voice, not someone else's representing your voice. And you need to, when we hear him come out and make a statement at some point to actually be contrite. Show admission, show apologize. Essentially apologize for what you've done. Show to is the big boy table now and the big boys sitting at the table want to see, hey, we've all made mistakes. You're not the first. This one is a mistake that is like. And right or wrong, we can have all the debates we want about some of the other charges and individuals who have to go through the legal system first. And the NFL slaps on some kind of suspension like this in sport from Pete Rose and beyond. This has been like the blacklist item.

[Guest Contributor]

Right?

[Lead Analyst]

This is where you just, you so. So show that you've done some work, show that there's a plan, show that you understand what you've done and start Preparing for the 2027 NFL Draft. One bit of news that I shared a little bit on on X. I talked to some people, I shoot, I tried. I talked to Drew Fabianic, the Senior bowl executive director. He's been invited Brendan Sorsby to play in the Senior Bowl. All indications are he will play in the Senior Bowl. So that's great. Yeah, circle that date doesn't have to be the only All Star game you play in. I'm not saying that's the only one. I'm saying it's the best one. Get ready for that. Make that your coming out party show to everyone. I've gotten right. I understand what I did. My mind is right. I've worked with a veteran quarterback. I've put in the work mentally, physically, I'm ready to go. So there's a clear path now for Sourcebee.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And he's there as much to talk

[Co-Analyst]

to teams as he is to show what he can do on the field. I mean all the teams will be there. Gives him a great opportunity to sit down face to face with people and explain what happened.

[Lead Analyst]

So I view that as a positive, a little sign of maturity and understand reading the room. Okay.

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[Lead Analyst]

So the second, second thing I wanted to get to which is far less, I don't know, controversial. It's not headline news but it has been all over social media and we did the our big Manning passing academy recap. I talked to you about John Matier. We had a good laugh about the Picture that went viral and he's jacked up. And are we worried? A little bit because the, you know, the previous quarterbacks who have looked like that, like, you know, just. Just like getting ready for a weightlifting competition, you know, bodybuilding. I told you I thought he looked good after that very first throw that I saw. And I was like, oh, no, you know, Right. I saw the same thing everyone saw. Mechanically, he has worked to adjust his release point to what he's dealing with with the thumb injury and the lower body. We always talked about it. Like, the fact that he's able to throw that accurately and make some of the throws that he does with the lower body mechanics all over the place is remarkable. He's, he's, he's. I think I.

[Co-Analyst]

So much fun.

[Lead Analyst]

It's a blast to watch.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And I drew the correlation to Scotty Scheffler, you know, like, don't try this at home. It is not. It's not like what's being taught at the coaching clinics and all the quarterback camps that you go to.

[Co-Analyst]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

But it works for him. I wasn't blind to his mechanics. Look, I don't want to say entirely different, but buttoned up, he. He looks like. And I Talked about, like, 1500 campers are all going to these quarterback camps, and they all have that same lower body, hip thrust, short stride, all that. Well, he's adopted that. The reason I was skeptical to make it a big thing is, as we've seen from, like, my CJ Car report, if we come out. If I come out and say something like, you know, is. And I'm adamant about something, it tends to take on a life of its own. I think that's wonderful, and it's something I' earned, and we've earned through 26 years now of scouting prospects to the NFL. I was hesitant to get into all of that because I'm a golfer and I go to the driving range and I make all sorts of tweaks that I'm certain that I'm going to stick to when I get on the course. And then all of a sudden you're in the fourth hole and pressure's building, or you hit a bad shot and you wind up going back, reverting to previous mechanics.

[Supporting Analyst]

Right.

[Co-Analyst]

100%.

[Lead Analyst]

Matier's mechanics look beautiful. They look like everybody else's.

[Co-Analyst]

Who's.

[Lead Analyst]

Who's now buttoned up and is not throwing overhand and striding long like, he is, like. But I want to see it in the game. I saw him warming up in the side you know what I mean? So, yes, he has worked diligently and it's important to state this. He has worked diligently to, to make his, his throwing delivery more repeatable. He has, he's working to, to get his lower body instead of jumping in the air and feet all over the place and slinging it. I'm excited to see it. I was hesitant to talk too much about it because I don't want to, I don't want to make that a point of emphasis where everyone's now clipping it off and throwing it out in social media. But, but I am thrilled to see what he's done because it's exactly what you and I talked about when he went from Washington State to Oklahoma. If, if he got with someone and was able to get his foot, his mechanics down and be more repeatable with that stroke. He's, he's just super talented, man. So is, is there a level of excitement that I have and I know you share mensch with Mater and what he can, what he can offer this year with some of those adjusted mechanics. Absolutely. I'm pumped to watch it and I'm sure everyone in Norman, Norman, Oklahoma is too. But I want to see it when the, the bullets start flying. So I get it. Just wanted to get both those things out of there out there. Big show today, man.

[Co-Analyst]

I'm, I'm interested to see where this one goes.

[Lead Analyst]

Me too. You got C.J. carr coming off a year where he was 10 and two for Notre Dame. They missed the College Football playoff, didn't play in a bowl game, played 1212 games. Both Carr and Julian saying who played in. What was he? He was 12 and 2. He played, started 14 games. Both quarterbacks started every game last season. Both quarterbacks stayed healthy. Both quarterbacks showed a ton of promise as first year starters. Both quarterbacks are red shirt sophomores. So interestingly enough, while guys like Jeremiah Smith and other underclassmen are in the like the national list and the Blessedo list, first time ever we've seen that many like that high a number of top tier underclassmen in the preseason scouting lists if you will. National and blessed though and talking to scouts like we've gotten to a point with nil transfer portal where it's like throw it all out the window. Even the all star games. Now it's like underclassmen are playing in the senior year bowl. Right. So with that said, absent from those lists and some of the conversations and I shared with you some of the texts I got from gms and people in the league. There's no car in there. There's no saying in there. So we're doing this with the the like cautiously entering in saying we recognize they red shirt in 2024. They both started every game possible in 2025. This will be their red shirt sophomore year, their third year playing in college in college football second year starters. But they absolutely have the opportunity to return to school. In fact they have two years remaining and so maybe that was the cutoff with the national and blesto is if they have one one year remaining after this and they've they've utilized their eligibility the first two years then we'll include them. That's my assumption is that's what they did. So Car Insane could absolutely with great seasons be in the 2027 class. They also could go back to school for not one but two more years.

[Co-Analyst]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

Manning can go back for one. Some of these guys that we're talking about still have another year of eligibility. So that's where we stand on all of it. And as we've started every one of these this series this is part three of our Building the Board 2027 quarterback class. I want to start with a simple question men. What was your biggest takeaway when you dove into the tape on CAR and saying

[Co-Analyst]

I'm going to go to. I'm going to do a twofer. I'm not supposed to do that. I know. I'm trying to make it quick though. Both I love that both are accurate passers without being check down Charlie's Both are in top 10 in yards per attempt last year and I think they will when they get a chance to strike deep they will take advantage but they're also accurate passes underneath and I think that both based on the progress they made I will say saying I think this is more so for saying but both the reason we are talking about them now even though they have so much eligibility left have the minds and the brains to make the jump to the NFL after this year.

[Lead Analyst]

I like that. I like that we'll get into the check down Charlie stuff a little bit more in detail. Specifically when it comes to saying my biggest takeaway is honestly my biggest takeaway and I have a different point. My biggest takeaway watching these guys was how impressive they both were as first year starters for yes those programs.

[Co-Analyst]

Yes.

[Lead Analyst]

If you want, if you want like the true serum now I'll get to more of the scouting stuff in a second but like my true serum is I'm watching these guys and I'm like there's nothing about this. It indicates like fifth start or ninth start, you know what I mean? Because of how sharp they are mentally, how well they understand concepts, how well they understand their roles within their respective offenses. One quarterback insane has this NFL receiver room and there's a solid run game. But I think it'll be even more prevalent with. With Bo Jackson, you know, kind of really coming into his own lake.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

In year two. Right.

[Supporting Analyst]

And.

[Lead Analyst]

And car in an offense that didn't necessarily have great weapons and it certainly wasn't about the passing game first, but had two running backs that were first round draft picks. The top two backs off the board in Jeremiah Love and Jadarian Price. So to like the understanding of what his role was within that offense and when it was important for him to be aggressive versus when it was important for him to do the smart thing because he knew he had two backs behind him that were absolute superstars. Right.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah. Two first round backs. I mean, one top five pick.

[Supporting Analyst]

Yeah.

[Co-Analyst]

I mean, this is crazy time backfield.

[Lead Analyst]

That was my first takeaway. The second one was specifically I. I love Julian saying I loved a lot of the things I saw from him. But my biggest takeaway was I do see a difference between the two.

[Co-Analyst]

Yes.

[Lead Analyst]

In fact, if I want to drill deeper, I honestly believe after watching his tape in year one. I'm not saying he's there yet. I see a path where when CJ Carr's career at Notre Dame is over, that he's the best Notre Dame quarterback that we've seen in our lifetime.

[Co-Analyst]

Oh, man, I wish I knew you were to go there. We're talking, did Joe Montana play a

[Lead Analyst]

Notre Dame in our lifetime?

[Co-Analyst]

Okay. All right.

[Sponsor Voice]

All right.

[Co-Analyst]

So, I mean, we were alive when Montana was playing for the Niners. Right. But we had. I get what you're saying.

[Lead Analyst]

I don't know that we were. When he was at Notre Dame, I certainly wasn't watching.

[Co-Analyst]

I don't think he had all these words. It would have been close. Yeah. You were not scouting Montana.

[Lead Analyst]

I mean, there was. There was Quinn, there was Claussen. There were. There have been other guys. There's gonna been a lot of success here and there.

[Supporting Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

He's the best quarterback Notre Dame's had during our lifetime.

[Co-Analyst]

I don't feel like that's much of a limb. Like, I don't feel like. Yeah, I got you. I think that might be true.

[Lead Analyst]

Okay.

[Guest Contributor]

I don't. I don't.

[Co-Analyst]

But I also don't. I'm not blown away by all the former Notre Dame quarterbacks. Unless I'm missing somebody. I get it.

[Lead Analyst]

I, I think so. So most importantly, I think he has a chance to be absolutely sensational. I think CJ Carr is tracking towards being a legendary Notre Dame coach. I mean, I think CJ Carr is tracking to become a legendary Notre Dame quarterback. I really.

[Co-Analyst]

Let's get into, let's get into the weakness. What's he got to do better to get there? What's, what's, what's held him back from getting there right now?

[Lead Analyst]

There were moments there. Were there. The, the encouraging part about the weakness, the weaknesses I saw from CJ Carr is they were predictable and understandable as a first year starter.

[Co-Analyst]

And I didn't saw a lot of this early.

[Lead Analyst]

Yep, saw a lot of this early. I thought the USC game, even though they won BY I think 10 points, might have been his worst tape, not a good game. I thought the pit tape was not. Was underwhelming too. Okay. With you two interceptions in the pit game, the run game, like every time I'd look up as I'm, I'm clicking through my, my remote here, like, oh, it's 14 to 3, it's 21. You know, like they were just. Jeremiah Love had a legendary game. He had a day.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Game day there, the whole deal. So, but, and, and I always look for trends like is this a consistent problem or is this a one off? The one trend I saw was there were, there were moments where I felt like you could see a little bit of the inexperience first time through as a starter. The USC game specifically, I saw trying to do too much.

[Co-Analyst]

I mean that red zone pick is a clear example. He's running around with a chicken, like

[Lead Analyst]

a chicken with his head both ways through under duress. Didn't see the undercutting defender. Interception, red zone. So it's like multiple critical errors. Right. And, and, and there were some missed throws in that game that I didn't see a, a ton of. I do think sometimes when he's on the roll, when thing on the move right when he's rolling out, things are getting a little hectic. That, that accuracy that I'm a real big fan of, when things are precise, when he's going and my gosh, we'll get to the strengths in a minute, but like progressions and, and then just drilling strikes when, when he's got a little time in the pocket. When things get a little hectic and he's rolling, rolling out. He makes some great throws, but he'll miss some really easy throws. Right. So you combine a couple of those points there and I think it's all correctable and I think like I said, pretty much understandable for a first year quarterback. Dealing with a lot mind has been. Remember he wasn't it. Was it, was it Minchi? There was talk last camp that Minchi might be the starter. Like he was fighting for the job.

[Co-Analyst]

So he's at Kentucky now.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

So he's, he's, he's Lloyd Carr's grandson. He's been around ball his whole life. He understands it. I talked to you about what I saw at the camp and how advanced he is in terms of reading coverage, his concepts. Like he's just kind of a coach playing that position. But he's still a first year starter who redshirted in 2024 and winds up winning the job and is battling his ass off for his life for that starting job. Gets it and starts playing really, really well. But there's some moments where you're like, yeah, I can see why it took a little bit for Notre Dame to a name the starter and, and I can see where the progress has to come. So for me, those are kind of the weaknesses that I saw in cars game. What about you?

[Co-Analyst]

Couple other things. I totally agree with everything you're saying. Most of this is fixable, which is what's so exciting about him. Is that right?

[Supporting Analyst]

It's.

[Co-Analyst]

And again, let's remember Miami and Texas A and M out the gate. Thank you very much for that. Thank you for.

[Lead Analyst]

Not at all dissimilar from, from Arch having to go to Columbus.

[Co-Analyst]

Yes.

[Lead Analyst]

And facing Matt Patricia and all those first rounders. Yes.

[Co-Analyst]

So he deserves a ton of credit for the way he bounced back from that. Two other things. I'll say he is absolutely no threat as a runner. And the mobility is me. I think the mobility is me. So there's, there's, I think he's okay in the pocket.

[Lead Analyst]

I think he's okay in the pocket.

[Co-Analyst]

He's a three. I gave him a three. What you give him?

[Lead Analyst]

I gave him a two because I really, I liked him in the pocket, but I, I, I would have given a 2.5. Yeah, like, I get it, I get it.

[Co-Analyst]

I don't, I don't see the two. I gave him a three.

[Lead Analyst]

The other thing I want to see

[Co-Analyst]

is, I mean I, when I went back and watched Miami, Texas A and M for a guy who's making his first two starts, the tape was better than I remembered him playing. Okay, that being said, who is this dude played really well against? I Mean, he didn't play well against usc at times I thought the pit tape, again, I agree with you. Maybe you see tape. Worst of tape of all of them. I didn't think he played that great against Pitt. He didn't. He didn't make enough plays in the end against those two teams, Texas A M and Miami. And you want him to take him the next level. And I want to see that. I want to see him in a big game, take over because I think he's capable. I think this guy's really capable. I want to see that. The problem for them is the schedule's junk. The schedule's not that great, man. I mean, until Miami late in the season, he's gonna have to play well against Miami late. I think they get into the playoff. I think they'll be a playoff team. We'll see. He's gonna have to carry more of this team because I don't think the running game will be as good. I mean, that just stands to reason. So he's gonna get maybe, you know, I don't know how many games to really show that he can go against top flight competition. One other thing I'll mention that I. That baffles me because we're going to get into strengths here in a second. And I'll tell you why it baffles me. He's not as great throwing over the middle as I want him to be right now. He's way better outside the hashes. And I want to see. I want to see more aggressiveness, more decisiveness throwing over the middle. I agree with you that this kid is, you know, he's been around ball and he's in for a young player. He processes well. I would say that saying is a far better processor. He is far more developed. I see some Dante Moore graduate stuff with saying that we'll get into in a second that I don't see with. I don't see with car yet at this point.

[Lead Analyst]

I think it's also important. I hear you. I think it's also important to. To. Let's address the elephant in the room. There are two elephants in the room. The first one is we. And I. And I want to do a better job of this.

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We.

[Lead Analyst]

We talk in past tense as if we've already given out a grade and this thing's over.

[Supporting Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Everything is a work in progress. We always say, I gave him. I gave him. We're giving him current currently. And that can change. Yeah, but so people understand me too. So people understand our process. When we say gave Mention I give are giving each other the assignment of you go watch tape on Saiyan, you go watch tape on car. I'll do the same. And as we fill out our report so that we prepare ourselves for the show we gave past tense the last 72 hours on our report but we're giving currently and as we watch throughout the season that everything is subject to change based on how they play. Obviously the other elephant in the room is and I'm not discrediting saying for anything and I'm not giving bonus points to Carr for anything. Carr had a run game that saying wasn't blessed with saying through the ball a lot more. A lot more. And had weapons that are undeniable. Like I look at C.J. carr and it's, it's Faison had 640 receiving yards. He's back this year. Eli Reardon, the tight end who was drafted in the middle rounds. 618 receiving yards is the number two two on the list of receiving yards for Notre Dame. Fields who wound up being is a third round pick.

[Co-Analyst]

I think so

[Lead Analyst]

Big target, awesome Senior bowl. But only 531 receiving yards. Not consistently productive. And his fourth leading receiver with 280 yards was Jeremiah Love out out of the Backfield flip side 12:43 Receiving yards for the best receiver that maybe we've seen since Calvin Johnson. And Jeremiah Smith number two receiver was Carnell Tate who was the number four overall draft pick. He's pretty good too.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Then you got Innis who returns Smith. Smith returns as the guy for the third straight year. Innis returns he had 684. So you get to the third receiver for Ohio State had more than the leading receiver in Faison with 640 innocent 684. And then Max Claire had 496. The Titans and it's not just scheme.

[Co-Analyst]

It's not just that Notre Dame wanted to run the rock with those talented backs. I mean the t. When you watch the tape of these talented receivers it's. I mean there is a Ryan Day

[Lead Analyst]

and, and like their, their, their play designs and the way they utilize them and the coaching is wonderful and the but the talent is also at a different level now what's interesting this year is saying's gonna still have an elite group because. Because in addition to Innis returning yeah he loses Tate and Claire but in addition to Innis returning you get Chris Henry Jr. And a couple other freshmen that that sound.

[Co-Analyst]

I can't wait to see that kid.

[Lead Analyst]

So good in fact that two Ohio State former five Star receivers transferred and they both transferred to Notre Dame coaching that talent. And Millen Graham is supposed to be a really good one. I hear this quincy Porter Cat 6 foot 4, is a dude. And folks in Columbus were like, yeah, we want Graham back but like Porter, Porter's leaving.

[Supporting Analyst]

Really?

[Lead Analyst]

So that's going to be interesting to see as now the shift happens for, for CJ Carr of not game manager but like, know your role, understand what, what stand. Yes. And yeah, the schedule allows a Runway for him to get confidence going and figure out the timing and all those things. But it's going to be a different look Notre Dame offense this year and I'm, I'm here for it, man. I'm here. I think they could put up numbers that they haven't put up in a long, long, long time, you know?

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

So, so with all that said,

[Guest Contributor]

can

[Co-Analyst]

I tell you what what I love about Cars game.

[Lead Analyst]

Did we get to weaknesses on, on

[Co-Analyst]

saying no, you want to do Stan's weaknesses real quick?

[Lead Analyst]

Let's do Saiyan's weaknesses. Yeah.

[Co-Analyst]

Are you worried that he's maybe tapped out? That he's closer to his ceiling than. Yeah, right. So that's the thing. I've heard the Drew Drew Brees comparison and I love that. I love that comparison. That's the absolute ceiling. I mean, that is the ceiling. He's not a very mobile guy. I don't think he has a very strong arm.

[Lead Analyst]

I think he's more mobile than he's shown. But I gotcha.

[Co-Analyst]

Okay. We'll see what I saw. I, I, I am giving him a 3 in mobility too. Nothing special there. So there's the arm strength. I see some things where he's a great downfield passer and we'll get into why when we get into the strengths. There are times he needs to put the ball on a rope, he needs to drive the ball and I think he has a hard time doing that trajectory. Lead the receiver, let him run on timing and touch.

[Lead Analyst]

All gets air.

[Co-Analyst]

Yep, yep. That's how he does it. I agree. So when he, when you see Grambling and he's a split second late in the red zone, getting the ball out on an outbreaking route, the corner can recover, jump in front of that ball and pick it off. Those are the things where he needs to be perfect with the way he processes and that's why he'll who how does he overcome that flaw? Because he gets the ball out on time so well and he makes such good decisions and he's accurate. That's how I'll get over it. But it still exists. He does not have a cannon for an army. He.

[Lead Analyst]

He's more of a distributor of the football and quite frankly, he's a perfect fit for what Ohio State needs. Right. Because at its best, Ohio State is run the ball awesome weapons don't need to throw the ball a million times a game, have balance. But we've got weapons that are better than our dudes, are better than your dudes. And so when we do throw the ball, we're going to get chunks, right?

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And. And so. And then also we're going to throw some quick game stuff and Ryan Day and that coaching staff, we're going to have some, some wrinkles and some different things where our guys, we're going to get them. We're going to hit you on a quick slant and five turns to 40, you know, so. So. And I think he. Because he gets the ball out quickly and more importantly he, he. His eyes are in the right place and it's like, you know, and he'll throw it on a line. I think his short to intermediate accuracy is exceptional. Completed 77% of his throws. One of the highest.

[Co-Analyst]

Was it the third best behind Bo Nix and who is the other guy? Mac Jones in, in the history of college football.

[Lead Analyst]

In FBS history as a freshman. So first year starter, right? Red shirt.

[Co-Analyst]

Oh no. Sorry. Thank you.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, yeah. But but it still. It's his first first year of full eligibility. Yeah.

[Guest Contributor]

So.

[Lead Analyst]

But to answer your question, I don't. Tapped seems really harsh, right? Like that words. He's tapped, man.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah, I don't like that either. I'm glad you're cleaning that up.

[Lead Analyst]

Oh, I like him a lot.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And I think in the right sis like if Tuatanga Vailoa can have some success for.

[Co-Analyst]

Oh yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

This guy's got more juice in his arm. And this guy, I think if you get him in like a Mike McDaniel system, the way he was utilized during the couple, couple few years where he was really putting up massive numbers and all that, this guy can be better than that. I believe that. Can he be Drew Brees? I'm not saying he can't be, but I agree. That's the ceiling. It's a hell of a ceiling, man.

[Co-Analyst]

It's a hell of a ceiling.

[Lead Analyst]

I love that 20 foot ceiling in my living room. Right. Like that's. That's a great ceiling. That's. But that's the track and that's. That's the, the high end comp. Everyone in the league has form. That's the high end comp, right?

[Co-Analyst]

Yep.

[Lead Analyst]

And so it's how where is he between Tua, who has had a lot of success. Had a lot of success and we'll see if he's able to ever return to that. And. And Drew Brees.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

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[Lead Analyst]

All right, strengths.

[Co-Analyst]

We talk about making layered throws, about being able to throw into windows to drop the ball in. His timing and touch on layered throws down the the hash and outside the numbers is elite, elite, elite. I he makes some throws that remind me and I know I'm dating myself here and and whatever Eli Manning used to make these throws at Ole Miss with these touch and timing throws that I see a lot of the same stuff with CJ Carr and that is the number th one thing that jumped out to me and that's why why is he not more effective over the middle? I think it's just more about him being aggressive and confidence and sometimes when you throw over the middle you're more likely to get into trouble and put the ball in harm's way. You know, I think about the, the, the picky threw against Texas A and M where he tried to hit Jeremiah Love underneath as he's stepping up and the ball kind of sails on him. There was a four verticals and it's a tough throw to make down the seam, but it's there. And not only is it there, it's a throw that he has the talent to make. And I want to see him make more of those throws over the middle. But he's, I mean, timing and touch on some of these layered throws is outrageous.

[Lead Analyst]

I don't disagree. And I think even I was just watching this morning a little bit more. I'm trying to think what game it was, the pit game where I was a little underwhelmed. But I think it was the fields and the left that, like down the left half, it was like a back shoulder, placed it perfectly. He, I, I'm just excited to watch him in year two.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Lead Analyst]

Because we talk about the rinse, refine, repeat and listen, man, I love Garrett Nussmeier and I loved Club Nick at the Manning Passing Academy last year. And I love them both because they came off of seasons where Nussmeier showed a lot and I wasn't alone. I wasn't alone in it. Like, the highest graded player in the national list last year with a 6.5 grade was Garrett Nussman.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

And Club Nick had really high grades from a lot of teams, too. And, but so when everyone. And I see some of the. I don't read the comments, but then, like, people bring it to my attention.

[Supporting Analyst]

Well, yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

You like Club Nick and Nussmeier last year? Yeah, I did. I did. I thought Club Nick, remember the, the run that Club Nick had late in the season? I thought it was going to be a stepping stone. Well, guess what? Everyone at Clemson failed to play to their potential last year and, and so blame it on the coordinator, blame it on Club Nick, blame it on the protection, blame it, blame it on whatever you want. The jets still saw enough in him after a really bad year of tape to take him in the fourth round. And Nussmeier was injured all year, man, I didn't like, I couldn't forecast that he would have an oblique injury, have to change his entire throwing motion. So.

[Co-Analyst]

And else he can't run the ball again.

[Lead Analyst]

So I'm not apologizing or making excuses, but when I, when I talk about car, I, I'm in. The reason I get so excited is because I see this tape where every, like I see the grandson of a legendary head coach because I, I now can see just listening to him coach these young players, how in tune he is with what you're trying to do. As he's coaching the defensive side in a 7 on 7 drill, I see how his brain works. I hear him communicate. I look at him physically and I'm like, oh. And it's not like Matier, where he's gonna like the beaches that way.

[Co-Analyst]

It's the weight rooms down the hall.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, right, right. It's like he's filling out. He looks like well proportioned. Like this is, this is the next evolution and maybe we get one more next year before his 2027 season for the 2028 draft. Who knows what happens. But what I'm saying is I'm seeing the areas you want to see, the progress, the areas you want to be strengths. I'm seeing that with Carr, so I'm excited. Does it mean he's going to be the first overall draft pick in the 20? No, probably not. But he could be a top 10 pick and honestly, we'll get to the grades in a little bit. Could be the second, could be the first, could be the second, could be the third in a loaded quarterback class if he has the year that I expect him to have. Now, I can't control how he plays or how his receivers play or how the protection is or his durability or any of those things. But I promise you this, I've been around this game long enough to know, okay, that guy looks different. There's a confidence level to him, there's a way he carries himself, there's an understanding of the game, there's these mechanics. As I'm watching him standing four feet away, watching him warm up and throw, like the repetitiveness that watching him throughout different drills, he has some. When you watch arch Manning and C.J. carr and Julian saying and Mattier and Bailey in the Mississippi State kid and Malik Washington from Maryland and Fafida and all these guys doing the same drills, throw into the same golf cart or moving still target, moving target, whatever. And you watch him with Eli and Peyton in different passing sessions, right? And one guy stands out as a little different because of all those things. I said there's a reason. Does it mean he's going to have the best season in Notre Dame history and be the first overall pick now? But I'm not ruling anything out with this cat. I think he's got a chance to be pretty special. Does he have the physical tools of, of Lenora Sellers? No. No. Does he have the upside of, of even Brendan Soares being mired in all of the other nonsense? No, but he's in a different stratosphere in terms of where he is as a prospect right now after 12 starts. And that, for an evaluator, is exciting, man.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah. I hate to compliment you, but I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead and do this because I think people should understand that we beat ourselves up when we make mistakes. Like, whoever wants to come out online and be like, oh, McShake said this, I can guarantee you Todd was back saying, well, why, what went wrong here? How can I change? How can I be better? There is a real danger of taking that and learning from that and then letting it over impact or impact too much the, the next cycle and saying, well, I'm not going to come out that strong for C.J. carr because I came out that strong for someone else last year there. That's just as dangerous to me. That's bad.

[Lead Analyst]

Like shooters shoot, shooter, shoot, man.

[Guest Contributor]

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[Co-Analyst]

For the, like, oh, this happened last year. So I'm not going to do it this year. At the same time, it's not like Todd didn't take into account what did happen last year.

[Guest Contributor]

Those.

[Co-Analyst]

Both of those things can be true. So I hate to compliment you, but I get it and I think it's. I think it's the right move. Like, you stick to your guns and you, you trust what you know at this point.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah. What about saying strengths for you?

[Co-Analyst]

His ability, especially on some of these like smash and stick concepts, these two man routes, his ability to read corners and defensive backs and get the ball out quickly and on time and accurately is his. I mean, that's his superpower.

[Supporting Analyst]

He.

[Co-Analyst]

I don't understand. I have no idea how this kid is that young or that inexperienced and he's making these reads and running offense, this offense at such a high level that to me is just so cool and so exciting about him. And then the, but the, the thing that, to add on top of that, though, is it's not check down Charlie to me. I'm wondering what you're going to say about that because I think when he gets an opportunity to go vertical, he takes advantage and he is quick about it. He is decisive about it and that's why it works. Because the ball comes out quickly and he hits guys in stride because he has that touch.

[Lead Analyst]

I thought he did and when he did, he was pretty awesome. And yeah, there's some more like, line like Throw it on a rope like. But the Penn State game, if you want to see him at his best throwing the ball vertically. The Penn State games are really good, good tape to watch. There were three or four really good lead receivers down the field. One of them was, was double coverage. But I think it might have been Tate got, got behind the defender and he let it rip. And literally from where, when he threw it, where tate was probably 30 yards down the field that he let him. And in stride, perfect ball. And there were a few of those in that game. I want to see more, man. And, and, and I get it. I, I, more of him throwing downfield. Yeah. Being aggressive. There were, there were just jotting down notes going out through the entire season. There were a, I don't want to say laundry list, but more than five, fewer than 10, maybe. But about a throw, about a time a game where I jotted down a note and I probably could have jotted jot it down more where I'm like, all right, safe, smart. Got it. Take the change. Don't go broke getting, you know, making a profit. All the, all the stuff that you hear from coaches, however, I, I get Jeremiah Smith, I get Carnell Tate. Now I'm gonna have Chris.

[Co-Analyst]

Interesting. I thought the other, I thought there were times where he just took advantage of those guys and it wasn't. Look, there was a couple times where he's like two I looks, he's like, my guy's better than your guy. He's gonna run by that. And he still pulled the trigger. That's interesting. You see it the other way, but

[Lead Analyst]

I don't view it and I just, I didn't even want to bring it up as a weakness. I don't view it as a weakness. I view it as a young man being like, I'm a first year starter. We're loaded with talent. Yeah, we're loaded with talent on this side of the ball. We're loaded with talent on that side of the ball. Like I am holding, I have the keys to this car. I have put it in the ignition, I have turned it over, and we are going down the road. And I have so much valuable luggage in this vehicle. My first and foremost, I can't this thing up by driving it off the road and crashing into something. Because if I can get it from A to B safely, like, you know, it's, it's a treasure trove of what we have here. So I, I felt that mindset at times. I thought there were, I thought there were some time like I, I Wrote down one of them. It was an example the. In the interception against Indiana. It was early in the game, first quarter, I believe just a quarter count late over the middle.

[Co-Analyst]

Not quarter count. Yep.

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[Co-Analyst]

Not because he was hard enough, but

[Lead Analyst]

I felt like it was a little bit of like do I want to fit it in? And by the time you decide yeah, I'm going to try to fit it in too late. And he doesn't have an elite arm and I don't even know if an elite arm there.

[Supporting Analyst]

I don't.

[Lead Analyst]

When, when I see him throw short intermediate. There's very rarely a time where I'm like, well if he had a little bit more, a little more energy at the end, he would, he would have been fine here. It's not that I just there, there's still a first year starter, hesitancy to his game at times.

[Co-Analyst]

Interesting. I saw that more with car than

[Lead Analyst]

was saying, okay, so I'm excited for both of these guys to see what is the rinse, refine, repeat version look, because as part of that process as I've laid out for, for folks, because I've been in quarterback meetings like I've had the opportunity to sit in Ohio State's quarterback meetings when Urban was there. I bet like I, I know kind of what goes on and all the, the things that are being coached up and I also know the process in the off season. Right. And that is like you need to work on. It's a self scouting and he's going back and watching all these throws with his coaching staff figuring out, okay, what were our weaknesses here?

[Co-Analyst]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

Were we predictable? What are the throws I can improve upon? And I'm going to beat myself up on these 25 throws from the season. There were critical errors or decisions or whatever.

[Co-Analyst]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

Then the next part is, okay, how do I then apply what I've learned in the film room to improving mentally. Right. And improving mechanically and consistency wise. There's also the part of I want to get physically stronger, I want to work on my quickness of my feet, all those sorts of things. But then there's this element too where these defensive coordinators are getting paid over a million dollars, some of them two, $3 million for a reason. They're pretty smart, man. They, they live in. They're going to have a plan and they're not stupid because they've seen a young quarterback watch their own tape and come back and make some adjustments. So now they want to be a step ahead in that chess match. Right?

[Guest Contributor]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

So is he preparing? So like there's so much to glean from a second year starter. In fact, that's why the parcels rule is there. It's why we see with Jaden Daniels in his second year at LSU after a couple of years at Arizona State. It's why we see Bo Nicks second year at Oregon after a couple years of Auburn. It's why we've seen it with, with, with Cam Ward from Incarnate Word to Washington State to Miami. It's that like third year and that, that's why these, both of these guys are one of the two could wind up in that 2028 class. That third year becomes so invaluable because now it's like, all right, the first year I was learning on the fly. Second year I fixed all of my problems, but maybe I wasn't able. I wasn't mature enough yet. Hadn't had enough wars on under my belt, if you will, to, to anticipate what the counter moves in this chess match would be.

[Supporting Analyst]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

So when Mendoza comes back after his second, basically second year of playing, starting at Cal, goes to Indiana, has a coach who's brilliant at helping him. Both, both Signetti and Mike Shanahan, the offensive coordinator, they are doing the preparing, showing him the system and the product we saw from Mendoza last year, especially late in the season and in big moments, was vastly different than that of Cal, which was really good tape but had floss. So I'm excited to see what year two is for both of these cats, man. But there may be a year three if year two doesn't go perfectly as planned.

[Guest Contributor]

Right?

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

One thing we've been doing in this series is, and I don't know, and I think I just a little bit covered it and I think we've covered a little, but. But when you watch Car versus Saiyan, does one of them, do one of their games translate to the NFL for you a little bit better?

[Co-Analyst]

No, I think they both do. I mean that's, that was my point in the beginning. I think they do it a little bit differently. But they both. These are guys that, I mean, I think if you're an NFL play caller, you can work with both these guys and you're excited about getting either one of them in your building. If you see something different, let me know. But these are guys that I think,

[Lead Analyst]

I wouldn't say their games translate any differently because I think they're both really, really high end, intelligent football understanding quarterbacks, like almost weirdly good for their age and lack of experience. Right. I would say the traits of car translate a little bit better. I think. I think his better traits.

[Co-Analyst]

There's no question.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, he has better traits. So that opens up more possibilities. Less scheme driven a little bit less. And I don't want to undersell saying. I really don't. He's 6:1. He doesn't have the biggest arm. It's not like car with two more inches and a little bit more energy on the ball. Like he can play in anything. Like neither of them are are Josh Allen. Neither of them are. Are Lamar. Neither of them are Mahomes. Neither of them are our sellers Swords be. You know, in some. Some ways Arch like. But. But these are two guys that are far more advanced than Arch Manning as pastors, Far more advanced as pastors than Sellers or Swordsby. In fact, I. I would say if you asked me to rank like, as pure pastors, and when I say pure pastors, I mean the. The mental makeup in terms of processing progressions, speed of which they're able to decipher information, and then the accuracy and advancement as. As passers. I'd say the three in this class, at least so far, of the quarterbacks we've gone through are Dante Carr. Insane.

[Co-Analyst]

I would agree. I think the gap. I don't. I do not loop Sellers in with Arch and Sourceby. That being said, both of those things can be true. I do think that the top three are. The top three that you just mentioned in more car and saying I think Sellers is more developed. That's a hill I'm ready to die on. But that doesn't mean he's as. He's in the same category as the three you mentioned. I think both of those things can be true.

[Lead Analyst]

So it leads us to our final point, and I'm going through my desk that apparently someone's been messing with. Oh, yeah.

[Co-Analyst]

I pay Tate to go down there and move things around.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Lead Analyst]

I'm gonna find it. I've been. I've been jotting down our notes and our grades.

[Guest Contributor]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

And.

[Co-Analyst]

All right, we are doing this. Can I just tell you that I have a developing idea that I think we should do as a show just by. By a second here. I think we should do. After we do our NFL draft rankings for the quarterbacks, we should do a college rankings for the.

[Lead Analyst]

I'm here.

[Co-Analyst]

See if they're different. You know what I mean? Like, who for this year, who's the quarterback you want this year we can get to some of the guys who aren't draft eligible yet. I think that might be a fun exercise.

[Lead Analyst]

So let's go through it. We've done so far. This is our third part of our series. The first series was Dante versus Arch. You were a 94. I was a 93 on Dante.

[Co-Analyst]

Right. Okay.

[Lead Analyst]

Arch. We both were 91. Even though we kind of came in from different directions. We landed the plane at the same spot. Am I correct on that, or were you. Okay, I'm sorry.

[Co-Analyst]

I think it was. It's either 90 or 91. I don't have it in front of me.

[Lead Analyst]

All right, so we'll call it.

[Co-Analyst]

I think it's 91. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

I thought it was 91. Then we had sellers. I gave sellers and 91, but would honestly, at this point, rank him a spot ahead of Arch. You gave him a 92 or 93?

[Co-Analyst]

93.

[Lead Analyst]

Sellers and then source B. I don't think we actually said it on the show because I went back and looked at the notes. What grade would you give source be. Throw out all the other stuff. Sbe as a football prospect, quarterback prospect. What grade would you give Sourceby?

[Co-Analyst]

89.

[Lead Analyst]

I'm actually cool with that. I could argue 90 on potential, but the. The. The problem with. With betting on potential. Oh, geez. The problem with. With anticipating potential is he doesn't have the potential this year to.

[Co-Analyst]

Right.

[Lead Analyst]

To showcase and develop those skills on the football field. Right, Right. So I'm cool with an 89. So that would give our rankings before we come into this, and I'm glad we're doing this on air. I actually think it's fun. I think if you're following at home, it gives you a clear picture.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

We both have.

[Lead Analyst]

Dante is the number one quarterback prospect. Sellers right behind him. Arch then would be third, and Sourcebee would be fourth of the four we've graded so far. It's important to lay that out, because now I want to ask you where

[Co-Analyst]

we're building the board here.

[Lead Analyst]

Building the board together is one big happy summer family. Right?

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Let's start with this. Higher grade. Don't tell me the grade. Higher grade on car or. Or. Or saying higher grade on car. Okay, agreed. Would you slot Car in ahead of Arch? I know you wouldn't have had a seller, so I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna waste anyone's time.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Would you.

[Lead Analyst]

Assuming on Mench's board, it's. It's Dante Sellers

[Co-Analyst]

who's next? Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

Is. Is Car ahead of Arch on the rank? Is he have a higher grade or similar or identical grade, or is he ranked below?

[Co-Analyst]

It would be more Sellers Car for Me so it's my top three right now.

[Lead Analyst]

Same I have.

[Sponsor Voice 3]

I've.

[Co-Analyst]

I've Arch fourth I can I mentioned my grade now real quickly on on Car please. I have him as the same grade as Arch but ranked ahead of him and it's a tough one because he's a far better. He's a far more polished passer at this point but I just. Arch's talent is just too much to ignore. So it's an interesting. It's an interesting battle there of you're getting now into that that potential argument. I think Arch is going to have a better year and if he does then he'll move. It's this this push and pull of where you put these guys.

[Lead Analyst]

I could see Arch coming out and there. There's a world in which yeah and I didn't get to see enough of him. He didn't do all that much at the at the Manning passing academy for a lot of reasons I think I outlined and some of some of it's speculative but he. He's always working with Eli and and and not always I don't want to oversell it. He has the opportunity to work with his uncles and and this is an opportunity for other guys to be able to do so and and there's a lot of things pulling at him and NFL films are there and all so like to to spotlight the manning family and 30 years of the Manning passing academy and all that stuff. So there's a world in which he comes out this year and is more efficient as a passer. Builds on what we saw the second half of last season and I could see Arch pushing to be the number one overall of course I can't after studying his tape versus some of these other quarterbacks tape as a passer say he's there yet same page a clear path for architecture car interestingly enough but they were both first year starters cars more advanced but isn't as big isn't as mobile but just like the understanding of and like the precision as a passer is more advanced than the Arch so I would put him just a tick ahead of Arch but those would be my top four. I agree now to saying I really

[Co-Analyst]

thought by the way I really thought you were going to piss me off and put Car ahead of Sellers. I thought you were going to do that. Did you think about it?

[Lead Analyst]

I thought about it but he's not there yet I got to be honest and Sellers still hasn't I view Sellers more as he's still developing consistency with it with the passing I think Sellers biggest thing is he's got to take heat off the fastball. He's got to show more touch short to intermediate on some of those throws. He misses high and misses hot too much, but he does. And after our conversation, I'm not gonna lie to you, I went back and I watched more. More Seller, Sellers again through the same vein. And I think I emphasized the negative more than the positive. There are some precision throws, timing throws, anticipation throws that he makes on a line, tight windows, leading receivers to the sideline and everywhere else that are pretty damn special.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

So I'm not gonna tell you, coordinator, I can. I can bottle that up and we can. We can make that more of the norm.

[Sponsor Voice]

So.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, I. I thought about it, but I would be lying because car. Car's gifted and cars.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Supporting Analyst]

Wicked.

[Lead Analyst]

Wicked smart. You know, But. But. But Sellers is more gifted. Sellers is. Is far more polished as a passer than. Than Sworesby and. And more polished as a pastor. Clearly more polished as a pastor than architecture.

[Sponsor Voice]

So.

[Lead Analyst]

And what Carr can't do is what Sellers does arguably best is extend, run, threaten. He forces you to cover every inch of that football field.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah.

[Lead Analyst]

The 53 wide and the hundred long. Like, he just forces you because the arm, the mobility, he just does. So I think it's a fair. Honestly, I like the rankings. I like Dante one because he's the best. Best passer in this class and I expect more consistency even out of him. I like Sellers, too. I'm exc. I'm pumped to see him in. In a new system this year. I. I like Car three. I'm pumped to see him with maybe some better weapons and all the emphasis on him. I like Arch4 with the upside to climb as high as he wants to climb based on the improvements he's made in the offseason. Also understanding he did undergo foot. Foot surgery and like, it hasn't been the. The easiest off season, but he looks ready and I have nothing but high hopes for him and, but also knowing he. He can be back for 20, 27, too. And there's a little bit of talk that he might be. I'm just being honest with you. I don't. I don't like sharing it like there's. Let's just file that away. More discussion about that than I anticipated, considering there was a lot of discussion last year, the Manning passing academy about. He is under a microscope and it is overwhelming and like having to spend another year in Austin, Texas, as wonderful as the people are and all that, that wouldn't matter what city or town it is. There's just so much spotlight on this one individual, for obvious reasons, but now there's more, like, I don't know, like, yeah, he's probably going to be in the 27th class, but have it, like, so far away from making that decision and so open to depending on circumstances, being back in Austin for 2027. So that part's fascinating, too. Yeah.

[Co-Analyst]

Far be it for me to tell you how to do your job. You missed a real opportunity to rage, bait me and get the blood pressure up and maybe get some. Some good podcast material there by at least pretending that you were gonna do it. I'm surprised you didn't try.

[Lead Analyst]

I thought about it.

[Co-Analyst]

Try to, like, goad me a little bit and then be like, oh, yeah,

[Supporting Analyst]

I agree with you.

[Lead Analyst]

Yeah, you're right. So where do we have saying? I'm not a great podcaster. I just.

[Co-Analyst]

That's not what I was saying.

[Lead Analyst]

No, I'm joking.

[Guest Contributor]

What was.

[Lead Analyst]

Where do you got saying? Saying's tough because sbe has better traits, but saying's more polished. I've got an 89 on Saiyan right now, so it's the same grade as, as we kind of thinking source be.

[Co-Analyst]

I'll be honest. I gave him a 90 because I wanted to kind of make the, make the, make it clear that I have him ahead of Swords, but it felt kind of dirty. I, I, you know what? I'm gonna just be honest about it. I think 89 is a better grade I get. I'm giving him an 89. Sorry. I'm so sorry, Tucker and Dan. I'm giving him an 89, and I'm right there. But I have him ahead of Sorsby, and that's another great argument of potential versus. Versus what? You know, like the ceiling here. I mean, the floor here. And I just, I think the floor is good enough for saying to take him ahead of Sorsby at this point.

[Lead Analyst]

So. I like this list so far, man. I really do. I like this list.

[Guest Contributor]

We're.

[Lead Analyst]

No.

[Co-Analyst]

1 is disappointing. I haven't watched one person. What are we doing here?

[Lead Analyst]

It's a good point.

[Sponsor Voice]

We're.

[Lead Analyst]

We're six quarterbacks in, with Dante as the highest grade. Sellers at 2, C.J. car at 3, Arch at 4, saying at 5, SBY at 6. And we still have a bunch of dudes to go. We got Sam Levitt, who's transferring from Arizona State to. To Lane Kiffin Land in lsu. We've got Trinidad Chambliss, who's a lot of Varying opinions on him, man. Some people kind of like day two, you know he's a good player. Some are like no, this is a first round guy. We've got, we've got Nico, I am Aliava. We've got Daman Williams who is you want to talk about polarizing some of the grades and some of the talk about Demon Williams that I don't see yet. And I know you don't see yet. But we're going to dive into him. We've got Matier. I know I'm missing Mensah, the transfer from Duke to Miami. So we got.

[Co-Analyst]

I'm actually more excited about this group in a way because if this group is as good as I think that they can be now this is why this quarterback class is truly historic because already we've got six guys but now when you get into this kind of I don't want to say second tier because I don't think that's accurate. But when you're getting into the depth of it now if these guys keep showing up, this is what's going to make potentially make this class different.

[Lead Analyst]

Mayava Jaden. Mayava who's been working diligently.

[Co-Analyst]

Do you say mess the maker too?

[Lead Analyst]

Mess to maker. So we've got a bunch of names left and just four parts of the series left to do it. We'll figure it out. Figure out a way to squeeze it in so, so that we have to look forward to. But I, I, I will say this, this is why we do it because everyone in the world it's like Arch arch and Dante 12 as we'll see about sellers that frustrating year. Well CJ Carr insane. I don't but like the fact that we're we're now three parts in and we've got Arches the fourth quarterback prospect currently with all the upside in the world and Sellers is the number two quarterback prospect just behind Dante and CJ Carr ahead of Arch. Like that's why we do it. And I hope people are enjoying yeah we are back on next Monday.

[Co-Analyst]

Yeah Monday.

[Lead Analyst]

Next Next Monday.

[Co-Analyst]

Enjoy the weekend. Hope you guys have a good time.

[Lead Analyst]

Enjoy the weekend. And and I and we had a schedule but I'm starting to feel like we might have to do do three quarterbacks per show or something. We'll figure it out but I just I listed all the names of the quarterbacks we're going to get to in some way shape or form. We're excited to share it and then we'll wrap it all up in part seven and share the the final board and and go through some different things. And who knows, maybe we'll we'll tag on a bonus episode for mention just to do the top 10 quarterbacks in college football till Monday. Have a great weekend. Hey, happy fourth, man. America's happy fourth. Yeah, America's 250, bro. Five stars for you.

[Co-Analyst]

Thanks man.

[Lead Analyst]

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