NFL Draft First Round Live Coverage

Summary

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The McShay Show – NFL Draft First Round Live Coverage (April 24, 2026)

Host: Todd McShay

Cohost: Steve Muench

Presented by The Ringer

Platform: Netflix Livestream

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Episode Overview

The McShay Show broadcasts live for the 2026 NFL Draft’s entire first round, marking the first-ever Netflix NFL Draft special. Todd McShay and Steve Muench bring their renowned evaluator’s insight, offering real-time breakdowns, insider intel, and mock draft reaction pick by pick. They discuss rising and falling draft stock, analyze fits and organizational philosophies, and respond to every surprise, trade, and rumor as the night unfolds—no filters, no commercials, just two draftniks and a wild, high-leverage NFL night.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Draft Unpredictability and Front Office Subterfuge

• McShay and Muench hammer on the 2026 draft’s “league-wide lack of consensus,” with moments where betting lines and media “intel” swing wildly due to both actual leaks and deliberate misinformation from GMs.
  • “This is the least consensus draft we’ve ever been a part of...” – McShay [03:56]
  • Money moving betting odds (particularly #2 overall pick) becomes a focal narrative.
• The crew guides viewers through how teams use misinformation to influence public/fan perception and potentially manipulate trade market or entice other teams to move up.
• This year, the New York Jets’ secrecy becomes legendary: “It is an absolute vault... nobody’s getting any information.” – McShay [04:03]

2. Real-time Mock Draft and Key Debates

• Todd and Steve run an on-the-fly “flash mock” of the top 10 to twelve picks, analyzing what they would do versus where the real drama seems to be.
• Organizational philosophies, the urgency to win now versus building for long-term success, dominate player-pick fit discussions.

Notable Quote:

• “Tonight is Truth Serum night. It all comes out—there’s gossip, rumors...but now we finally get to prove if anyone was right.” – McShay [12:39]

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First Round Pick-by-Pick Highlights & Insights

1. LAS VEGAS RAIDERS - #1 Overall: QB Fernando Mendoza, Indiana (formerly Cal)

• Culminates a “four-year story,” unheralded out of high school, national champ/Heisman at Indiana.
• Lauded for mental toughness (“onions”); pre-draft consensus #1 once Dante Moore stayed in school.
• “I don’t know that I’ve seen a stone cold killer on third and fourth downs since Joe Burrow.” – McShay [71:42]

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2. NEW YORK JETS - #2: Edge David Bailey, Texas Tech

• The epicenter of rumor and market gaming.
• Jets shut out all leaks, floated competing narratives on Bailey vs. Arvell Reese vs. possible trade.
• The canceled team visit with Bailey is dissected for meaning.
• “At the end of the day, this is the guy they wanted... more of a bird-in-hand, higher-floor edge.” – McShay [78:20]

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3. ARIZONA CARDINALS - #3: RB Jeremiah Love, Notre Dame

• A running back in the top 5 bucks trends: coaching staff/ownership were “obsessed” with him for schematic fit (Shanahan/LaFleur tree).
• Discussion: Is he a “weapon,” or still just a running back? Can he transcend OL issues?
• “You better be getting more than just a running back if you’re drafting one at No. 3.” – McShay [86:54]
• “Still a running back... just a damn good one.” – Muench [88:08]

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4. TENNESSEE TITANS - #4: WR Carnell Tate, Ohio State

• A major curveball pick (expected RB/defense).
• Reflects philosophical shift: all-in on giving Cam Ward (second-year QB) real weapons.
• “Every pick reveals truths… they will not repeat offensive failure. This is to help their young quarterback, period.” – McShay [95:13]

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5. NEW YORK GIANTS - #5 (from own pick): Edge/LB Arvell Reese, Ohio State

• If on the board, an instant pick.
• Unpacks his hybrid usage (edge/linebacker), elite athletic profile—“cyborg,” major upside, needs to refine technique.

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6. CLEVELAND BROWNS (after trade down): OT Spencer Fano, Utah

• Fits for wide/zone line scheme; detailed technical breakdown on arm length concerns.
• “Fano’s arms are a half inch shorter than Will Campbell’s… but watch his tape: he overcomes it sometimes with technique.” – Muench [124:57]
• Giants at #10 later take Francis Maui Noah—McShay loves the “man-moving” physicality.

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7. KANSAS CITY CHIEFS (traded up): CB Mansoor Delaine, LSU

• Comped to recently departed Trent McDuffie; loved for intelligence, man/zone skills.
  • “He’s just the best corner on the field—smart, versatile, competitive.” – Muench [106:11]
• Chiefs aggressive to fill the McDuffie void; also sets up a run on premium corners.

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8. WASHINGTON COMMANDERS: LB Sonny Styles, Ohio State

• Former safety turned linebacker, “three best football players in the draft.” Athletic testing off the charts.
• “Day 1 starter—he’s still getting better and that’s scary.” – Muench [111:99]

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9. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS: WR Jordan Tyson, Arizona State

• Emerges through injury red flags and a late pre-draft workout that reassured teams.
• “Reminds me so much of Stefon Diggs, but taller… his ability to separate and get open is like nothing else in this draft.” – McShay [119:49]
• Saints desperate for healthy weapon for second-year QB Tyler Shough.

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10. CLEVELAND BROWNS (via CHIEFS): OT Spencer Fano, Utah

(Giants, via own: OT Francis Maui Noah, Miami)

• Giants round out an intimidating, super-physical OL.
  • “John Harbaugh is going to make damn sure we are a physical, punch-you-in-the-mouth group.” – McShay [128:26]

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11. DALLAS COWBOYS (trade up with Miami): S Caleb Downs, Ohio State

• Considered a top-5 talent; labeled “one of the smartest football players I’ve ever watched on tape.” – McShay [135:25]
• Instantly sets secondary standard/culture for a defense remade post-Micah Parsons.

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12-19: Run on OL and Defensive Front Seven (Miami: Kaden Proctor, LA Rams: Ty Simpson, Baltimore: Venga Yuane, TB: Reuben Bain Jr., Jets: Kenyon Sadiq, Detroit: Blake Miller, Vikings: Caleb Banks, Panthers: Monroe Freeling, Eagles (via Dallas): WR Makai Lemon)

• Rams shock (but not McShay!): Select Alabama QB Ty Simpson at 13, signaling future beyond Stafford.
  • “What I saw in Ty Simpson was a young man... after six starts, he was running a Joe Burrow-level offense.” – McShay [149:43]
• Baltimore continues OL legacy (Yuane), Bucs nab relentless edge rusher (Bain Jr.), Jets add first-round TE (Sadiq), Lions/Campbell take prototypical glass-eater OT (Miller), Panthers/Eagles do business for Freeling and Lemon.
• “Every team’s got a plan—until you get punched in the mouth. This was the best beating I’ve ever gotten.” – McShay, on the night’s chaos [167:00]

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20-32: Trades & Day 2 Starters

• Several late trades as teams chase “last at the dance” at premium positions: Steelers (Max Iheanacho, Arizona State OT), Chargers (Akeem Mesadore, Miami Edge), Cowboys (Malachi Lawrence, UCF Edge), Browns (Casey Concepcion, NC State WR), Bears (Dylan Thieneman, Purdue S), Texans (trade up for Keelan Rutledge, Georgia Tech G), Dolphins (trade up for CB Chris Johnson, San Diego State), Patriots (Caleb Lomu, Utah G/OT), Chiefs (Peter Woods, Clemson DT), Jets (back in for WR Omar Cooper Jr., Indiana), Titans (Keldrick Falk, Auburn DL), Seahawks (Jadarian Price, Notre Dame RB).

Notable Trade Analysis:

• Late run on interior defensive linemen and secondary; several teams clearly acted to preempt divisional or conference rivals from landing “last of the tier" prospects.

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Notable Quotes/Memorable Moments

• “This is the greatest reality show in sports. Tonight is Truth Serum night.” – McShay [12:39]
• On organizational decision-making: “What’s best for the organization might not be best for the coach. Coaches need wins; GMs might be thinking long-term.” – McShay [15:44]
• On player-team fit: “We’re using our football sense to trump some of the late nonsense... what genuinely fits.” – McShay [18:48]
• On Ty Simpson: “Congratulations, man. You called it. This is the best spot he could have gone.” – Muench [147:02]
• On Mahomes-less Chiefs: “They lost McDuffie and Watson in the same offseason and still rebuilt the secondary on the fly. That’s how you stay elite.” – McShay [107:40]
• On the picks flying: “This 8-minute clock is no joke. I love it. I mean, I don’t love the pick necessarily, but I kind of love that they—who’s the pick?” – McShay [90:49]
• On unexpected prospect slides or rises: “It’s always a dogfight… for every Rashan Gary there’s ten busts, but sometimes you see something special.” – McShay [242:42]
• On behind the scenes: “Shout out to everyone involved—this is an important night for us and we’re just scratching the surface of what we can do.” – McShay [256:18]

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Important Timestamps

• 03:56: “Least consensus draft ever” & leaks/rumors breakdown
• 12:39: “Truth Serum night” concept
• 71–74: Deep profile of Fernando Mendoza’s journey
• 77–82: Jets on David Bailey vs. Arvell Reese and risk management
• 86–90: Cardinals buck consensus, draft RB Jeremiah Love; positional value debate
• 119–123: Saints and Jordan Tyson; WR talent value
• 147: Rams select Ty Simpson, McShay’s “called shot”
• 203–217: Pick-by-pick breakdown and detailed fit for picks 23–27
• 256: Team and crew shout-outs, show wrap

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Secondary Themes

• Player development philosophies (short-term need vs. long-term roster construction)
• The importance of combine medicals and late workouts in sliding or boosting stock
• The NFL’s evolving relationship with gambling and draft odds
• Under-the-radar prospects and how late risers can shake up both team plans and media coverage

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Flow and Value for Non-Listeners

This summary gives you everything you’d gain from spending three hours on the couch with McShay and Muench: the high and low drama, the why behind every big (and weird) pick, who moved the betting lines, and how every selection will change their new team’s outlook in both 2026 and beyond. You get signature McShay snark, nuts-and-bolts scouting speak, and anecdotes about both players’ backgrounds and NFL decision-makers’ personalities. You’ll also experience the real-time mind-meld of two true draft obsessives riding the rollercoaster of a wild, trade-happy, rumor-filled, and history-bucking NFL first round. If you missed it? You’re now caught up.

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For full pick-by-pick reports and McShay’s latest Big Board, visit The McShay Draft Room at The Ringer.

Transcript

[A]

Well, welcome in Spotify studios here in Hollywood, California. And we are fired up that you are joining us tonight on Netflix. A lot of places to watch the draft. No better than here. Netflix with the McShay show all night long. We've got an hour leading up to the draft. We're going to have a flash mock that we're going to rip through all the latest intel. I'm going to just got a text literally three minutes ago. That kind of makes me think. So we're going to do that for an hour, get you ready, and then once the draft comes up, Roger Goodell comes out. He announces the draft is live. We will be with you for all 32 picks. We appreciate Netflix giving us this opportunity. Ment you good?

[B]

I'm great, man.

[A]

That's great to hear because there's no time to be good that's better than this one right now. So we're excited to be here. As we said, we've got the entire first round of the draft. We hope you stick with us. There's an opportunity to chat with us all night long. But first, we want to thank our sponsors who have allowed us to be on the air tonight. So we're going to throw right now to some of those sponsors and. And we'll be right back with you for the remaining hour leading up to the 2026 NFL Draft. You're listening to the McShay show, presented by FanDuel. And soon we'll all be listening to all the names called in this year's NFL Draft. But with FanDuel, you don't have to just listen because FanDuel has all kinds of bets on where players will land. You know, I love this stuff. Not only can you bet on who will be drafted first overall, but you can also bet on whether a player will go in the top five, top ten, and so much more. So if you don't already have it, be sure to download the FanDuel sportsbook app today. Must be 21 and older in select states. 18 plus in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- GAMBLER call 1-887-89-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat in Connecticut. This episode is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. Out of everyone in the draft, I'm keeping a close eye on a couple quarterbacks that nobody's talking about. Cole Payton from North Dakota State. Tayin Green from Arkansas. Day two quarterback prospects. They could change your entire organization. They've got developmental upside. They're not where they need to be. Right now. But if they hit, they could be stars in this league. The whole deal with scouting is finding difference makers, right? Having even one standout player that can make a world of difference on or off the field. It's the finding part that's hard. If you're hiring, you know the struggle. It can take months and thousands of resumes before you find what you're looking for. Unless you use Zip Recruiter. Try it for free at ZipRecruiter.com McShay that's ZipRecruiter.com SL MCHA along with its smart matching technology, Zip Recruiter just added a new feature to make the hiring process even smoother. It puts qualified candidates who've also shown an interest in your role at the top of your list. So you can talk to them first. Plus, you can see why those candidates are interested in their own words. Cut through the standard and get to the standouts. We with Zip Recruiter, 4 out of 5 employers who post on ZipRecruiter get a quality candidate within the first day. And now you can try it for [e-mail] McShay that's ziprecruiter.com Mcshay meet your match on ZipRecruiter. We got a wild night ahead of us.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

Got a text from a GM recently that said this is the least consensus draft that, that we've ever been a part of in terms of just talking to NFL teams and what they view as, as a player that belongs in this range. They, there's the, you know, other teams you talk to have them maybe 10 picks later. Most interestingly though, this is breaking news if you follow this kind of thing. And as you could just see there, fanduel has been, has been an unbelievable partner throughout all of this for us and new to this in the recent years is the ability to wager on the NFL draft.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And I talked to GMs about it. And listen, it doesn't sway anything anyone's doing. No one's trying to make money in the NFL on FanDuel or gambling. However, people will check in to see what's going on, you know, because typically there's a reason why odds are the way they are and they'll shift with, you know, the money. And as always, does the reason I bring this all up in the top of the show. Why is Todd talking about this? Because all week long and for a while now, all week long, I'd say for a while it was Arvel Reese was the heavy favorite Number two, right. Then we all started to get the information that David Bailey seems like it's the pick. And how do you get that information? I promise you this, it's not from Darrell Mugi, the GM of the Jets. If we've learned anything from Mugi in the past 14 months, it's that he like, good luck getting that information out of New York. Well, it wasn't that big a deal last year when they were picking at 7 or 9 overall, Darren Muji. I'm sorry, see, I'm already mistaking his first name. That's how little information I'm getting from Darren. But Darren Mujee has done a great job and this is what you want. If you're a Jets fan, you're thrilled. It is an absolute vault. I've got contacts there, you've got contacts there. Nobody's getting any information, right? Yeah. And so for a while it was all Arvel Reese. That was the information coming out of there. Right. But come to find out, like the information coming out of there or the information that other teams were getting from what they thought was from the New York jets was not accurate because no one's giving out the real information. The people who are making this decision are been. So then there was 48 hours this week after Bailey became the information about 10 days ago, I shifted. Mach 4.0 was all David Bailey. Right. And it made sense, it made football sense. From, hey, this is the guy who's the best pass rusher. This is the guy who had 15 sacks a year ago. This is the guy. You know what you're getting? Arvell Reese from Ohio State, remember, one year starter, conversion player, off ball linebacker who Matt Patricia started to rush off the edge more and more as the season went on. Right. And so there's a developmental factor to it. Now some people are saying, and I don't disagree with this concept, Reese, for a team like the jets, who are backloaded all their picks to 20, 27 to get a quarterback in what could be the richest quarterback draft in the history of the NFL draft, they're saying, well, you get a year to develop him. You see, they're a 94 grade. He's phenomenal. Number two overall player on the board for us. Bailey's not far behind, he's at number six. So factor in all this information. Then I get some information over the weekend and all the calls I'm making. There was one source I don't know if I'm ever going to trust again or depending on what the pick is at number Two I may trust for the rest of my life. You following me here?

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

Arville Reese. I just, I just, you know, I won't tell you the background because I'd be giving away my source. But he was saying, I really believe it's Arvel Reese. Okay. Then it comes to Tuesday and I'm talking to people and people in the league and bouncing around and then all the other ins from Schefter to Schrager to Breer to even to dj our good friend Daniel Jeremiah, everyone, we're all hearing the same thing. It's David Bailey. Well, I got news for you.

[B]

It's not David Bailey.

[A]

I don't know if it's David Bailey, I don't know if it's Arvel Reese. But the news is all of a sudden fanduel. Just recently, I want to remind people the betting favorite one you woke up today on FanDuel was David Bailey slightly. Then it shifted to Arvell Reese. It was like minus 145 and now I'm looking at FanDuel and it's Arvel Reese. Minus 290. Now why would I open the show with that? That's not enough information. That could be someone betting a few hundred thousand dollars. And I was told there was one person who bet a hundred thousand dollars on Arvel Reese. So that helps shift the market. But the reason I'm bringing this up is something has been lurking and we've been talking off air about it and we mentioned it the other day. Why is it you're so tight lipped with the second overall pick, Mensch? Why?

[B]

Because you might be shopping it. You don't want to give away who you're taking in case someone wants to come up and try to get that pick.

[A]

And why is it that someone's close to you is actively reaching out to Todd McShay and saying I think it might be Arvel Reese over the weekend. Yeah.

[B]

To drive with the RVL Reese value and if you want him, you got to come get him. Yeah.

[A]

And it, and I'm not saying the number two overall pick was going to be traded, but I am saying now all of a sudden there's a little buzz about could Dallas package 12 and 20 and maybe for 2 and 16 or you know, some kind of trade like that which wouldn't make sense. But yeah, 12 and 12 and 20 or May, maybe it's for something in 2027 since the Dallas Cowboys are are trying to A win now and B have their quarterback that 2027 draft while loaded at a lot of other positions, starting with Jeremiah Smith and the Notre Dame cornerback and some of those offensive tackles and some edge rushers like Colin Simmons from Texas. They're more like, we got to win now. And we've put a lot of money into this defense, but we're missing an elite edge rusher, we're missing an impact defensive back. And so if we can maybe give something in 2027, I don't know. I'm not saying that's going to happen. I'm just saying all of this is happening and we're less than. We're 50 minutes from the start of the NFL draft. This is not normal behavior for a team that's picking it too. And the number one overall pick is decided. It's absolutely Fernando Martin.

[B]

Why not just come out and say who we're taking or just with Bailey, there's a lot of things.

[A]

Explain that to the viewers too.

[B]

Bailey was supposed to come in for a team visit, one of the visits and they canceled it. It seemed late in, in the, you know, process and, and you made a good point. I was like, oh, maybe don't make that big of a deal of it, but you made the point. Wouldn't you want him to come in and spend some time at the facility, get to know the, the staff, get to know the guys that you, you could just bring them in for more time to get to know him. Even if you, you wanted to use a visit on another player, you'd still want the guy you're taking, second overall, to come see the facility.

[A]

Yeah. And just because I think we're going to have a lot of different viewers tonight or a lot of new viewers and we're thrilled to have all of you just to give a little background as you look at the team needs and the jets team profile there. Some of the key roster moves, guys that are in, guys that are out from last year's team, 20, 26 picks. As you can see, the jets pick at 2 and 16, 33 and 44 overall. Four picks in the top 44. That's the most of any team in the NFL. NFL teams get 30 visits. Right. You commonly hear it mistaken, mistakenly called top 30 visits. It's not top 30. It's not their top 30 players. It's 30 players they're intrigued to bring in. Some of them are late round free agent type prospects. Some of them are guys with character issues. Some of them, some of those guys are medical issues. Some of the guys they just want to get to know a little bit better. Put them on the board, their prospects. Typically, a. Some teams use it differently. Some teams don't bring in any first rounders. Some teams bring in all the guys that could possibly draft. So it's a 30 visit. And in those 30 visits, the jets, it appears, you know, bringing in a lot of players they could be drafting both at the number two pick or at the number. At the number 16 pick, and then also 33 and 48 or 44, as I just said. But they canceled David Bailey's visit just a week before the draft. And then the reports were, well, they did it to open up a spot to bring in somebody else that they hadn't had the time with. And they went out to dinner at Lubbock, Texas with David Bailey, and the brass was down there and they had great interviews with him. But Arvell Reese made his 30 visit. That's interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Something I want to start this show with this concept. The NFL Draft is the greatest reality show in the world. And tonight is Truth Serum night. Tonight's the episode of Truth Serum. It all comes out. There's gossip, there's rumor. We spend 12 months evaluating players, sitting in a dark room with our remote, not always as dark as it used to be with our remote and our iPads and our screens. And then we get the combine numbers and the pro day numbers. We have the Senior bowl, the East West Shrine Game. We're talking to all these different people about the medicals and the character. And all this work goes into it for like 250 days. And then for the final, like, 16 days, we become like NFL Draft TMZ, talking to sources, figuring out what's going. And so the beauty of tonight is that's all done and we can go back to the players. And I want to do that right now, and I want to do it in the form of a flash mock.

[B]

Flash mock. Let's go.

[A]

And so as we go through this flash mock, and this is kind of based off of the intel, honestly, our producers know we're going to do this, but they had like, I didn't. I want to do it on the fly with Steve, and I want to use our football sense. All of the time we've put into these players, knowing these schemes, knowing who's drafting, what do we think Maybe the top 810 picks will look like, right? And I legitimately, after Fernando Mendoza sitting right here right now, after Mendoza, I don't know the answer to. So for me, Arvell Reese is the better prospect. You just saw that number two on our Board. But David Bailey, if they're looking for bird in hand, what we know, pass rusher for Aaron Glenn, the head coach, also the defensive coordinator, it comes down to. And everyone I've talked to in the league, it's same thing from GM after gm. If you've got a plan, if you're, if you're sitting in a room and you're talking to your defensive coordinator who again happens to be the head coach here in AG for the jets, if you've got a clear vision and there's history of you being able to utilize this kind of guy. This isn't a guy that they had in Detroit, Arvell Reese. No, they had Aiden Hutchinson. They had real problems getting edge rushers outside of Hutchinson. So my question is, what fits best for the jets from a football standpoint, in your opinion?

[B]

Well, we're taking the long view or the short view. If we're taking the short view, it's David Bailey, but they're taking the long view. And that's where Arvell Reese comes into play in my mind because now you have a player you can wait to develop. And you know, if you're looking towards 2027, you can handle Reese's growing pains, if you will. David Bailey is the guy who's ready to go now.

[A]

But what if the general manager, who. I can tell you this, you talk about fanduel odds, the odds of one lasting longer than the other would be about the same odds as Fernando Mendoza, the number one overall pick, which is like 20,000 to one.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I say this with all, all due respect, and I am not by any stretch saying that Aaron Glenn could be out this year. But if you're a gambling man and you just historically, but also my understanding of the relationship with Darren Muji and ownership, there's a really good chance that Muji outlasts Aaron Glenn in New York. And so I'm not saying they're making this decision like in spite of or in contrast to right one another, the GM and the head coach. I don't believe that that's the case at all. I'm just saying what's best for the organization might not be best for Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn needs to win enough games in 2026 in order to be the coach in 2027 when Arch Mannings is quarterback or Dante Moore's quarterback or Brandon Sorsby from Cincinnati's his quarterback. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They have three picks in 2027 in the first round.

[B]

Sourceby's Texas Tech. Now we got to.

[A]

Sorry. Yes, Jumping around the tape I was watching on Cincinnati with sourcebeat. Yes, it's Texas Tech. And Sam Levitt is no longer at Arizona State. He's at LSU with Lane Kiffin. And my guess is he's going to be one of the top five or six quarterbacks in next year's class after a year with Lane. My point is, though, Aaron Glenn probably is pushing for David Bailey.

[B]

I would think so.

[A]

And now it comes down to Muji saying what's best for this organization. I'd be fascinated to know how we know it's tight, this inner circle with the Jets. How tight is it? Is it a one, man tight? Is it a two, Is it a three? And who are those two and three?

[B]

Well, let me ask you this. If we're saying those are the two options, right, it's Reese or Bailey, there's a third option, trade, trade. And Aaron Glenn might be sitting there saying, man, I need players, give me players. And Muji might say, I need picks. So there's another there. There's that whole aspect to it as well, that unless Muji is Muji in love with one or both of these guys, because then it's easy if he is, but if he's not absolutely in love with them, David Bailey, little leaner, doesn't handle the run that well, doesn't play the run that well. Right. Now you said maybe he's a designated pass rusher when he gets into league. I don't know that there's an issue there. Arville Reese trying to make the conversion. He was £240. Now, it's going to take a minute. If you're not in love with that player at the second overall pick, I'm sure he's picking up the phone.

[A]

So if we're in the middle of a flash mock, we. We've taken about our eight minutes that you're allowed to make a pick. We have 40 minutes to the NFL draft, so we can't keep this pace up for the remaining picks.

[B]

We're not going to do a trade.

[A]

I'm not going to do a trade. I'm sticking with Bailey.

[B]

Like it. I like it. I think it makes more sense.

[A]

I'm sticking with Bailey, although something's going on.

[B]

Right. So we doing what we would do here?

[A]

Are we doing what we think is going to.

[B]

No.

[A]

I want to use our football sense to trump some of the nonsense that's coming out in late, last minute information. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And I've got some other things that I feel good about, but I think honestly it's I took a lot of heat for flip flopping. Right. We had Bailey for a while and then. Yeah, I mean the scumbags who draft off me are the same ones who then go and say, well, he's flip flopping. What was it? Oh, it must be the fanduel tweets like get out of town. I flip flopped and just explained the why for 48 hours. But maybe the why was the right. Maybe the why the reason why I traded, or flip flopped, if you will, was because the right information is Arvel Reese. And then what do all you scumbags have to say after that? So we're going to find out together as a one big happy family on Netflix tonight. But I'm excited to see. But honestly, this is the beauty. We can finally sit back and we can, we can watch how it plays out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And one general manager saying like this is like the least consensus draft. It's going to be a wild ride tonight. It's not what people Surprises. Right. Major surprises. So let's go. Let's stay with Bailey here.

[B]

So three Arizona.

[A]

Three Arizona. I my information is that it's Jeremiah Love, but there's, there's coaching staff and ownership love, the running back out of Notre Dame and personnel department, maybe edge rusher here. So that would be Arvel Reese.

[B]

Right.

[A]

My understanding is, interestingly enough, while David Bailey could be the the picket number two, it seems like the market is greater for Arvell Reese.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There's more.

[B]

So Arizona's hoping the jets take Bailey because they'll have more calls of Reese's there.

[A]

But I don't know that that's a fact, but I've gotten some of that information. So Arvell Reese is sitting there at 3. I think this is not a likely. I think it's much more likely there's a trade at 3 than there is at 2.

[B]

Okay, makes sense.

[A]

I gave in Mach 4.0. I had the New Orleans Saints trading up and I gave this reason. Sitting on our set at the Senior bowl was Mickey Loomis, the general manager for the Saints. And. And history tells you we didn't need him to talk us through it. History tells you this is a man who targets a player he likes and goes and gets him. And I asked him the question because as the league is trending towards get more picks, we're all human. We make some mistakes. The more swings at it in a given draft, the better opportunity to hit on players. He's like, get out of here. We like a guy. We like a Guy, we're going to get him. And Jeff Ireland, the general manager, who kind of runs the personnel department, doesn't count. He runs the personnel department under the leadership of Mickey Loomis is sitting there in the corner. I could see him out of the corner of my eye like, yep, that's what we do. And so the Saints are interesting at 8. I don't think the Chiefs are going to move all the way up from three. Dallas hasn't traded since 2020, 2014. 37 picks the Dallas Cowboys have had since 2014 in the first, second, and third round. And the last time they traded and it was in the first round for DeMarcus Lawrence, it worked out pretty good tonight. Tonight, 2014. So that would break from what has become their norm, the trend. Yeah. Despite all of the hype that Jerry's going to make a big splash in this draft, they don't do it historically. So that part's fascinating to watch tonight, the night.

[B]

Are they going to do it?

[A]

I could see. I could see anything. I could see anything. My gut tells me it's much more likely as the. As the defensive run starts to happen. I mean, it happens from the top, right. It could be Bailey at 2. It could be Reese at 3. It could be Reuben Bain somewhere before pick 12 or Den with Dallas comes off the board.

[B]

Caleb Downs.

[A]

Caleb Downs, Mansoor Delaine. They're not going to want. There's a line after Sonny. Yeah. Sonny Styles, David Bailey, Arvell Reese. Right. Caleb downs, Mansoor Delaine and Ruben Bane. There's six guys in the top that could all go in the top 10. I don't think they want to be the one without the chair at the end. At the end of the song.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I could see him move up with like the Chiefs at 9. Go get Delane or Caleb Downs.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I don't know that they. It's not what they historically do, but you can't totally rule it out with. With picks at 12 and 20. They also. It's important to know. Note Dallas doesn't have a pick in the second round. So do they really want to go all in? I just. I don't. I don't know. We're going to. We're about to find out. That's the exciting part. So if they stick and pick, my information is a heavy lean towards Jeremiah Love at 3. I'm going to go Reese here.

[B]

This is so you. Because you think that you do think you're kind of playing a game here. You think there's going to be A trade.

[A]

Right. And I do, I do wonder, to a certain extent, just like the jets have floated both Reese and Bailey, has there been information out of Arizona about the Jeremiah Loves? Because remember, I was first to market, not to get Tommy John, but I remember you kind of yelling at me about Jeremiah Love a couple months back when I put him at three in one of the first mock drafts.

[B]

Why did I yell?

[A]

Because you. Because for good, sound football reasons.

[B]

And it's not you. It goes against everything. It goes against the grain for Todd McShay your entire career.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You would never have done this with a player. You've loved running backs, maybe not as much as this guy, but you've loved running backs. And even the ones you loved, you didn't put at the top of your board.

[A]

Right. And so Jeremiah. I love sitting at the top of my board this year. Even though the grade's not quite as high as Saquon Barkley, it's not quite as high as Bijan Robinson. It's equivalent, it's just north of Ashton Genti a year ago and Jameer Gibbs just a few years back. But this year's draft doesn't have the quarterbacks that we normally have and doesn't have the left tackle and maybe the edge rusher or two. That's, that's graded a little bit higher. Right. So there's that. But I'm looking at this situation more so, and I think that that was the other pushback from you. And I didn't disagree. And this was even before they brought in Tyler Algier. So when I went Mach 4.0, I think, and I brought him back and I put, I put Jeremiah Love at 3, it's like, yeah, well, they signed Tyler Algier and James Conner's coming back, so there's a lot to factor in here. But at the end of the day, is that offensive line equipped for Jeremiah Love?

[B]

They need a right tackle, man. I mean, that's why a lot of teams have had a lot of experts have mock them getting Francis, Maui, Noah out of Miami to play right tackle there. I mean, they need a right tackle.

[A]

So, no.

[B]

I mean, the answer would be no for me. Another thing that scares me about the Jeremiah Love thing. And listen, I love the player, but I keep hearing this, and I've heard this with other receivers, about how he's a weapon. He's not a running back, he's a running back. I mean, he's not going to play slot receiver. You can line him up in the slot. He lined up in the slot.

[A]

Christian McCaffrey is about the only one.

[B]

He's a weapon too, but he's still a running back. Like, there's still running backs.

[A]

Yeah. The way they utilize him though, I'm much. I would give the lean towards. Yeah, he's actually a weapon.

[B]

I don't know, man. I don't know. You're talking about a running back. Love the player. Still a running back.

[A]

I do think this is either a trade. Listen, it could very easily be Jeremiah Love, but I don't think Jeremiah. In my. In my final mock Mach 5.0, I had Jeremiah Love falling to the giants at five.

[B]

Falling. That's incredible, right? Like falling to five.

[A]

In this case.

[B]

I know.

[A]

We know that Jeremiah Love is going. His range is three to five. Okay. If it's not three, it could very well be Tennessee. And that's in fact who I think we should mock him to.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I think the information was out and then defense and it could be Sonny Styles and it still could be. This is going to be a fun night, man. This is going to be a fun night. Yeah, it is.

[B]

I can't wait for the first bomb to drop. The first. No way.

[A]

So let's, let's take what, 30 minutes out from the start of the NFL draft, right? Let's take a look at Tennessee for a second. Right? Tennessee, they. They're sitting in a situation where they got their quarterback a year ago. They got a new head coach in Robert Sala. They've got some needs still a lot to fill. But with general manager Mike Borgonzi there, a new head coach in Robert Sala, new offensive coordinator, and Brian Daboll, former head coach of the New York Giants, have a lot of respect for the way he develops quarterbacks. And I know he wanted Cam Ward above all things. And it was interesting laughing with both Brian and Mike Borgonzi about some of the old stories of at a pro day with Brian trying to push Mike to hey, Abdul Carter is a great player, man. You're not going to want to miss on him. What would it take for us to move up? And just like any, there's a pecking order. He really, really, really liked Jackson Dart, but he wanted Cam Ward and now he gets to coach him. But the problem is when you look at their depth chart and you look at the key roster moves, like a lot of the stuff that they did. Yes, Wondale Robinson is there, but I'm talking about Jermaine Johnson, edge John Franklin, Myers, defensive tackle Alante Taylor, cornerback Cordell Flot, cornerback A lot of the moves that Tennessee made in this off season were on defense. And we've got two heads of state here. There's only one. There's a head coach in Robert Sala, but Brian Dabel, who both got fired from the New York market for their lack of offensive production at the end of the day. So it begs the question, like, are we going to do this again or are we going to take care of our young quarterback and try to develop them the right way? And to me, the right way is easy passes. Dump it off and pick up four or five, supplement the run. Have a great running back, you know, have. Tony Pollard is there as well.

[B]

Yeah, good back.

[A]

And Jeremiah Love averaged 10.4 yards per catch. Do you know what that does for a young quarterback? Be able to throw a swing or screen and to get a first down and get you in better field position, keep you on schedule, you know. So I, I'm leaning Jeremiah Love here at number four.

[B]

Yeah, they got to show a greater commitment. You talk about helping your young quarterback run the damn ball. Third fewest carries in the NFL last year. You got to run the damn ball. Tony Pollard's good. You know what? He's great. Where he's great as the number two back. I mean, if you have that one, two punch, I. Even though I'm saying it's early for a running back, I get it. I get the philosophy of doing it. I understand how talented this player is. So I want to be clear about those two things. That being said, if you put Pollard in that number two role and you have Jeremiah Love in your number one role, I mean, it's not even just about the passing game stuff that Love brings you. He's a great receiver. Also a much improved pass blocker last year. But you just got to run the ball more. You have to have two backs that can carry a heavy workload. And that's how you help Cam Ward. That's how you create play action rollouts. That's how you create pockets in the coverage on play action. That'll help your young quarterback. You got to run the damn ball.

[A]

So let's start ripping through these.

[B]

Yeah, we got to go.

[A]

I do want to mention, it's important to mention for Titans fans. I do get the strong sense if Arvel Reese or David Bailey is there at 4, that is very likely the pick Jeremiah Love and then the other guy. If they, if, if Reese and Bailey go two and three, my understanding is it would come down to most likely Jeremiah Love and Sonny Styles, who we've talked about Fred Warner. Robert Sal was looking for that piece and he talking to a lot of people in the league. It's interesting. Most people, when they talk defense, it's like we need the corners because of our scheme. We press man cover three, whatever it is, and we need the edge rushers for him. It's like, get me that Mike, get me the middle linebacker, give me Fred Warner for my defensive scheme and we can kind of build through that.

[B]

The thing I'll say about that was Fred Warner was a third round pick.

[A]

I understand, but I think they recognize if they can find a player that's anywhere close to that level. What he specifically did for their defense was pretty alarming, no question, in a positive way. So now we're at five. Here's my information. It's Jeremiah Love if he's there. And then I'm told it's Caleb Downs, the safety out of Ohio State, however, trying desperately to figure out how do we get Caleb Downs because we Pick now at 5 and 10. The Giants own 20% of the top 10 picks in the NFL Draft tonight after the trade for Dexter. Trading away Dexter Lawrence to Cincinnati, one one to one trade. You get Dexter, we get your 10th pick. No, no. Conditional. Seventh. No. Just eat nice and easy. So. So as you see the trade details there, that was an easy graphic to build. Sure, Dan and Tucker were thrilled. Easy. So with that in mind, I think there's a mindset of how could we get both these guys. Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver from Arizona State, who, if you've been following along, both John Harbaugh, the head coach and Joe Shane, the general manager, went out to Arizona State for the pro day. Jordan Tyson didn't work out at the pro day. He's had a hamstring injury. Jordan Tyson from Arizona State has missed one out of every three games essentially during his four years, beginning at Colorado and the transfer and then transfer to Arizona State. The College Football Playoff run was brilliant. He had a massive knee tear, was what it was, dating back to 2022. Going into 23, he played just a few games. At the end of 23, it was an MCL, ACL and PCL tear. Comes back full form 2024 Arizona State and was awesome. That was the best tape on him. I don't know the best tape. It was great tape, but he had some drop passes and all that. And he elevated his game this next year, but he missed the College Football Playoff, if you remember, with a broken collarbone. And then this past year he has a hamstring injury. That kind of everyone just assumed he kind of just shut it down. At the end of the year. Arizona State was not the level that everyone kind of was hoping following that college football playoff run in 2024. And so he doesn't finish the season at the hamstring, but then he doesn't work out at the combine. Then he doesn't work out the pro day. So teams rightfully so am I going to invest like close to $50 million? I want to see him work out. I want to. I want to see the product. So Joe Shane goes out to a workout that apparently was just 28 routes and catches. What do we do? And also spend some time with Jordan Tyson there because Jordan didn't work out at that pro day that I mentioned before with Max Iheanacho or another potential first round pick tonight, the offensive tackle. But Harbaugh and Shane were there and then Shane goes back out just a week ago. Right. Six days ago. It was Friday, April 17th and apparently spends time with Jordan Tyson reports are coming back. Love him now for a lot of organizations we'd be like just smoke. But the Giants don't. Typically Joe Shane doesn't. You kind of get, you get a beat on that. But then you get John Harbaugh, the new head coach, saying that like we're. My goal is to create a lot of smoke screens and confusion from this year's draft. So do with that as you may. My point is they, they like those two players a lot. Also, Sonny Styles, I am told, is not the guy there. Even though it kind of makes sense given John Harbaugh's history. But I think honestly right now let's go with, let's go with Caleb Downs because Jeremiah Love just came off the board at four safety and a running

[B]

back in the top five.

[A]

You're going to have to get over it tonight. We've been talking about this for months. I think you're prepared.

[B]

I think yeah, I am prepared. This has been an ongoing conversation, obviously and I get it. But at the same time it is. If you've been doing this for as long as we've been doing it, it's a. Why it's a wild happening. It's a wild event for those two positions to go in the top five.

[A]

I don't disagree. I do not disagree at all. That brings us to six. We've got Mendoza, Bailey, Reese, Jeremiah Love and Caleb Downs off the board.

[B]

The top five players on your board are gone.

[A]

So that makes it easy for us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Now we get to six. Well, no no, David Bailey's six on the board. You're looking at the wrong board, Mendoza.

[B]

No, you're right. I'm sorry.

[A]

Sonny Styles is the one not off off the board. Okay, so Sonny Styles is the best player available on the board when we get to six. But Cleveland needs an offensive tackle. I do think this is a place where they could trade if they get the right opportunity to move back.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Spencer Fano is what everyone has his mock draft has mocked, if you will. The offensive tackle from. From Utah to Cleveland, Todd Monken, runs the scheme where there are elements of what he did at Utah, where the outside wide zone. Right. But there are also elements of the gap power. And people who are in the know don't necessarily think that Fano is the best fit. But that's what all the inside information is. My inside information is they. They like Kaden Proctor a lot, but maybe recognize it's a little bit too early. Proctor's a big, massive guy who's done some zone stuff but. But a lot of gap stuff as well at Alabama. And he's a player that was 390 pounds during the season, got down to 350, looked like a top 10 pick when he was. But can you count on him to stay at 350 when we now give him more money, fame, and free time than he's ever had before? Not a good equation for a guy to keep his weight to where it needs to be. If they trade back, I think Kaden Proctor is the pick. And that's why I went with Mach 5.0, because I get the sense that this could be a spot where they move back. Could they just pull the trigger on their guy Kaden Proctor there at 6? We'll find out in probably an hour and a half from now. Do we want to go with Fano here not to muddy the waters?

[B]

Yeah, let's do it.

[A]

Let's just.

[B]

Yeah, let's do it.

[A]

Or is this where Dallas could move up for Sonny Styles? Because I've mocked this before.

[B]

I. Yeah, I mean, are we doing trades?

[A]

I would. I would.

[B]

This is. This to me is the most likely of trades to happen is for Cleveland to get out and someone to come up.

[A]

Let's do this. No, no trades. I was just about to pull the turkey says no trades on the Saints moving up from eight to three to get Arvel Reese, and the Cowboys moving up to six to get Sonny Styles. We're in the lab now then let's go with offensive tackle here. You want to go with Fano to keep it. No, you know, let's go, Proctor. Let's go, Kaden Proctor.

[B]

Yeah, I like it. I don't like the pick, but it makes sense to me because I think, I think your, your analysis is correct. Proctor fits what they want to do.

[A]

And they need a left tackle. And he's played left tackle.

[B]

Yeah, Fan played left tackle. As a freshman.

[A]

As a freshman as well. Yeah.

[B]

Right tackle. The past two years.

[A]

Just so people understand, Fano is generally regarded as the higher graded offensive tackle. For most, it's Fano and Maui Noah, including us. But yeah, there's, there's some information I've gotten. There's a, there's a connection. And I know for a fact that they, they value Caden Proctor higher than some other teams. Not all, but some. So let's. Yeah, let's throw them, Throw him in there. With the, with the full understanding that Fano is the guy that everyone seems to think is going to be the pick there, then we get to pick seven. This one's intriguing to me. You've got it. Pick seven, Washington, with what my understanding from my intel is there is a lot of pressure on Dan Quinn to get that defense. Right. And understandably so. And so you're looking at this board and saying, all right, we're picking at seven. Sonny Stiles is number two on their board. Sonny Stiles is probably top ten on everyone's board, right? Not everyone, but most teams in the league would have them top 10. And I think most teams in the league honestly would have them top.

[B]

Yeah, that'd be strange if he wasn't in the top 10.

[A]

But then there's this, this tug of. And I'm told that Sonny Styles, if he's there, it's the pick. Unless Jeremiah Love is here. And Jeremiah Love is coming off the board 3, 4 or 5. So with this, this board sitting here currently constructed where it's Sonny Stiles and then it's Carnell Tate and that's the guy I just want to get to. We don't have to talk about anybody else. This is a tough one, man, because you got a quarterback. Jaden. Jaden Daniels, who's entering is now his third year. His rookie year was phenomenal. Second year was mired by injury. And you're looking at a wide receiver core that is underwhelming, to say the least. Terry McLaurin, obviously, Debo Samuels up in the air. It doesn't seem like he's going to return. They get trailing Burks, Van Jefferson and Diami Brown. I think I did the math on it. It was like a combined 60 catches or so between the three of them last year. Okay. And I don't even know if, honestly, if it was that high, it might have been in the 30s. It was. And then Luke McCaffrey is sitting at your slot receiver. My goodness, could you use a. An outside. And it doesn't have to be the one. And that's what. He hasn't been the one. Carnell Tate, the number one receiver, he's been the two opposite Jeremiah Smith. It's a role. He's comfortable and he's a big, strong, physical, contested catch receiver coming out of Ohio State, who also. Yeah, he ran a 4, 5, 2, but he's the best deep route runner in this. In this draft.

[B]

Give me a break. 4, 5, 2 is a great time.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm saying he's. You don't think. 4, 5, 2. And he's an excellent vertical receiver. Right? He's an excellent vertical receiver. Devonte Adams ran in the 4, 5. Excellent vertical receiver.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So that's a tough call. Who are you taking there?

[B]

Tate Turnell.

[A]

Tate? Why?

[B]

Yeah, I think receivers are more valuable and I think it's close. I love Sonny Styles and what he could be. And I think Fred Warner is a good, good comp of the kind of player he could turn into. I think he's going to be an excellent linebacker in the league. I'm taking the wide receiver. I'm taking a guy who could be rookie, the offensive rookie of the year. Wide receivers used to be a time when wide receivers needed a minute to adjust to the game in the NFL. Now these guys hit the ground running and Carnell Tate is coming from basically grad school for receivers. You go to Ohio State, you learn the craft of playing wide receiver. I mean, just look at Brian.

[A]

Brian Hartline is the Unbelievable. Who just took the ucf. UCF head coaching job. So.

[B]

South Florida.

[A]

South Florida, Sorry. Yeah.

[B]

So, I mean, that's going to be a loss for that program, obviously, but still, guys who come out there are ready to rip, man. And I don't want to hear about the 4, 5, 2. And I know that's not what you were saying, but I think some people point that he's not the biggest guy, he's not the fastest guy. How many times are we going to do this where we talk about the. I made the mistake last year of doing that with a mecca and I said that he wasn't big enough or whatever. And then he goes out and while his quarterback's Playing well, has a great year. I'm taking the receiver that I am confident is going to help my team right away.

[A]

I hear you, but the intel is telling me that this is a Dan Coin pick. I like, but you're right that.

[B]

That part of it is right, too. You have a defensive head coach who needs players. But who would you take?

[A]

Who would I take? Personal take?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would take Carnell Tate. Oh, no, I wouldn't. He's number two on my board. I'm taking Sonny Styles.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm taking Sonny Styles.

[B]

I'm. I am stoked as a Commander's fan. Either way.

[A]

Yes. That's important. They're in a great situation. We've got 17 minutes until the start of the draft. The scene in Pittsburgh is awesome, as you would expect. Right.

[B]

What a great night for these players.

[A]

Unbelievable. I think it lost in all of this is. This is. It is not. You better not treat this as, like the crowning moment, but this. It's a special night where it's the start of the rest of your life. And we're seeing the players walk out on the stage now, interestingly enough. Let's go. Sonny Stiles there because I think it could. Could be the pick, but it won't shock me if it's Tate. New Orleans is sitting there at number eight. I gave them Ruben Bain. I've since been told don't know that that fits their criteria with the short arms. You want to explain to people what's going on there? Generally, they're looking for.

[B]

Guys are just bigger and longer. They want, you know, the Cam Jordans of the world. I don't know of Reuben Bain.

[A]

This is Dennis Allen and his defensive scheme. But still in that scheme. No, not. This is. Sorry, this. Dennis Allen went to. Dennis Allen was with New Orleans forever. He. He is with Chicago, and that's why they're looking for the Cam Jordans when they get to pick 20, 25.

[B]

But keep in mind, I hear what you're saying, and I'm looking up the corner. It's. It's Brandon Staley.

[A]

Brandon Staley, Yes. And Brandon Staley's looking for explosive get. I mean, we've talked.

[B]

He's looking for two different kinds of guy. He's. He's looking for a guy that can. Could call a gap and a half, and he's looking for a guy that can come screaming off the edges a little more undersized.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But also it's the same general manager who has had success picking certain. A certain kind of an edge and he'll probably tweak it to. To match what Staley wants. I still think they're going to want a bigger and longer defensive end than that.

[A]

Yes. And. And the most they've had. So Brandon Staley, if you don't know, necessarily like, think Chargers. He was with Chicago for a minute. I believe it was Chicago. He had Floyd Leonard. Floyd he had. But he had Khalil Mack and Joey Bosa, and he was St. Louis.

[B]

I mean, he's with the Rams. That's how old I am.

[A]

The Ram. Yeah. So, yeah, it was. It was the Rams, Floyd. So. So my point in all of this is it's explosive takeoff and. But regardless, the. The. The word I'm getting is Bain might not fit. And that's part of the reason why, I'm told don't rule out them moving up from 8 to 8 to 3 for whichever pass rusher is not there. I've heard Reese is more their guy, but we'll come to find out in just a little bit here. And that's what I mocked in mock 4.0. That trade was 8 to 3. So it brings us back to pick eight here and we're looking at our board and all top six players are off of it. Jeremiah Love, Arvell Reese, Sonny Styles, Fernando Mendoza, Caleb Downs, David Bailey. They need a wide receiver. They want an edge. And if it's not Reuben Bain, there isn't an edge to be had in this range of the draft. They could use a corner in that scheme for Brendan Staley. It's also, we need corners who are intelligent, who can by zone match, meaning zone coverage, eyes up front, but then someone's crossing through. You're going to match and be man to man. You've got to be able to do both at a high level. And honest to God, when I watched his tape, I was blown away from one game to the next, from one series to the next. The way that Mansoor Delaine from LSU was able to play man and zone at both an exceptionally high level. So he fits exactly what they want. What are you thinking here?

[B]

I like Delane.

[A]

Oh, oh, oh. And I'm also told Jordan Tyson, right?

[B]

Jordan Tyson's right there.

[A]

The wide receiver from Arizona State that we talked about earlier. They've got a thing for him too, and they need.

[B]

If you're doing this based on need, I'm taking Tyson. And we can play the game of you always take the best player available. That's not really a thing. You. You. You're going to have to take players are going to fit your roster and what you need the most. So Jordan. There's a strong or argument for Jordan Tyson there. I am still taking Delane. I watch Delane. I think there's going to be a lot of teams that look back in the top five who pass on him and are going to regret it. I think he's got the, the instincts of an apex predator. When you watch him on tape, he's a guy that just was born to play corner in the NFL. When you watch how he tracks the ball, hunts the ball, makes plays in coverage, he's not the biggest or longest corner. I get it. And I think that's probably why he's not going a little bit early, even though this is early. That's probably why he's not going earlier than, than seven or eight or nine. But that being said, everything else is there. I, I, it amazed me for a While that Jermaine McCoy, the corner from Tennessee, who's a very talented player who's probably going to fall tonight because of his durability issues, but there was some kind of an argument there of who was the best corner in this class. It's not even close on tape to me. It's not even close. It's Monsoon Lane by, by a lot. By, by a wide gap.

[A]

So I just don't think that they're going to pull the trigger on him.

[B]

I don't either.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I hear you. I don't think they will. I think they're going to go with the wide receiver again. These guys hit the ground running. They have a major need there. You have a young quarterback. I get it. I'm psyched. With either pick, I would take the lane,

[A]

and I would, honest to God, rather see them with Carnell Tate than Jordan Tyson. But my information is saying Jordan Tyson here. So let's go with the information. And in this scenario, we had Tate

[B]

going off to the commanders.

[A]

No, no. We gave him Sonny Styles.

[B]

I'm really messing up the drill. That's twice I've gotten Styles wrong. Okay, got it now.

[A]

So Jordan Tyson. Yeah, we'll go with Jordan Tyson there. Then we get to pick number nine. That's Mansour Delaine or Ruben Bain, is my understanding. They want to get an offensive tackle. They're probably going to trade up with me, I guess, from that 29th pick, their second pick in the first in the first round. One of six teams this year who have two picks in the first round, right? Yep. So. And good luck making a move up there because I think Everyone in the middle of this draft, everyone I've talked to, and Tampa Bay's fielding calls like crazy. Like you got to be on hold. If you're calling Tampa Bay right now and you're calling the New York jets for the 15th and 16th pick, you're probably being put on hold or you're the calls getting cut short because another one's coming in. That's I'm talking to people there and they're getting a lot of calls because Detroit sitting there at pick 17 and 15 is Tampa Bay, 16 is the Jets. And from my understanding, both teams are very willing to listen to all these conversations. So we're going to see a lot of movement, I think, in that middle portion of the first round for these seven offensive tackles that are going to come off the board. And let's say with number nine, let's go with Mansour Delaine.

[B]

Love it.

[A]

You just made a great argument. So now you're my comp for him

[B]

is Trent McDuffie who they just lost, which is perfect.

[A]

So then now you're sitting there at number 10 and the Giants are back on the clock and Jordan Tyson's gone, but Carnell Tate is not gone. And it's funny because I've heard a lot more about Tyson than Tate there, but it doesn't mean they don't like Tate. They also, there's been a lot of discussion about Francis, Maui Noah, the offensive tackle who could play guard. And you've got a luminor that they just resigned who can play who I would say penciled in right now to be the right tackle. And they've got three other guys that are kind of not great options, but can kick, can kind of fight for that. That right guard spot. So where are you going here? Maui Noah vs Honestly, I could see this being. I could see this being Tate.

[B]

It's got to be Tate in my mind.

[A]

I think so too. You got a young quarterback. You went defense with the fifth pick. You just get him a weapon. Jackson dart needs a reliable and we don't know. Malik. Malik neighbors is going to be just fine in time. But even to start the season, there's speculation he. Is he going to be 100%? Will he be the starter in week one? So I think this makes a lot of sense to bring in very safe, reliable, consistent, physical. I can tell you right now. By the way, side note, there's no chance. No commercials. That's the beauty of this show tonight. No commercials. There's no chance. I'm not going to the restroom at some point I didn't.

[B]

Thank goodness you said it.

[A]

It already crossed my mind.

[B]

I walked in the room with four waters. That was a. That was bad.

[A]

Huge mistake. Hold on though.

[B]

I will say this. Yes, the Giants would have loved to have gotten a stud defensive tackle, you know, like someone with a Dexter Lawrence type type talent at this pick. I'm just telling you I understand why they made the trade. It wasn't working out. They need interior defensive linemen. We'll see them get it later on. We'll see them on. I'm sure this time tomorrow we'll be talking about how the Giants are going to get a defensive tackle and there should be a couple of good ones.

[A]

They pick again at what, 35? I think it is in the second round. I think you're right and we'll.

[B]

And we'll talk about it then. But if there was a defensive tackle here, there was a Mason Graham out of Michigan last year.

[A]

A player that. Oh absolutely.

[B]

They would not hesitate.

[A]

They had a need at that spot before they traded Dexter Lawrence. That's how severe of a need it is.

[B]

They gave up more than five yards per carry last year. They have got to get an interior

[A]

defense tackle to that point. I have gotten a lot of information late that and I said a month ago and I kind of cooled off on it because it wasn't the information I was getting that I truly believe Peter woods from Clemson and Kaden McDonald are two first rounders. They're going to go in the first round. They're. Peter woods is kind of the three technique. His 2020, 2024 tape at Clemson was a lot better than this past year. But this is a guy who honestly like there's not a massive gap between he and Mason Graham. I'm just going to say it.

[B]

And so you think that between him and Peter woods

[A]

talent wise. Yes.

[B]

He's not as out of your mind.

[A]

Well, we'll have that discussion on the clock. But my information, my information is that both Mason Graham and Kaden McDonald, they're teens now that there's getting calls about them and I've had a couple conversations that lead me to believe that one, if not both and interestingly enough woods before McDonald. Interesting.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've heard Baltimore at 14, not at 14 but in a trade back would be interested. Minnesota at 18. You look at Javon Hargrave, Jonathan Allen, both gone all the way down to Houston which is picking at Houston is picking at 28. Those are teams that keep Houston makes

[B]

the most sense scheme wise. I mean Minnesota And Baltimore Peter woods doesn't make a lot of sense in my mind but that's interesting. They obviously will have a plan for that kind of a player.

[A]

So there's that. We're coming up on the draft in six minutes. Pick 11 I think is going to be offensive and defensive lineman. We have now taken, I want to say every single player in the top 10, if we're looking at it right, every player went in the top 10. Mendoza went and this is. Oh, this is Mach 5.1. Sorry. So Mendoza Bailey with. By the way, right now, as we just discussed, there seems to be a heavy push in the gambling market and a lot of buzz coming out that it could be Arvel Reese and I'm not totally ruling out a trade. Then the Jet after the jets pick at 2 which will be for an edge rusher or a trade team trading up for an edge rusher it will be the Arizona Cardinals picking also a team we're hearing a lot about could they trade out and we buried the lead before trade out of three and get the offensive lineman they need in Francis Mawanoa or Spencer Fano to fill that right tackle need that they have and also get extra ammunition because the Ty Simpson market's heating up. Wait for it.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

Remember, remember I said in December, wait for it. Ty Market is heating. Ty Simpson market is heating up and the the Cardinals are sitting at pick 34 and need to potentially move up higher than they originally had hoped to go get Ty Simpson. So that could be a trade for a team moving up to our for Arvell Reese. If not, we're told Jeremiah Love could very well be the pick in this 5.1 mock we go Jeremiah Love at number four. I think that that will be the pick if he's still sitting there. Number five is Caleb Downs. I think Love would be the pick if he's still sitting there at 5. If not, Caleb Downs is the information I'm getting with a keep an eye out on Jordan Tyson. They like him. They like him a lot but I think they'd rather be able to get him at 10. Kaden Proctor's what we went with Cleveland. I think that they could move back and get Kayden Proctor if they stay there. All the information seems to be that it's Spencer Fano, the offensive tackle from Utah. We went with sonny Stiles at 7 recognizing that could be Carnell. Tate Styles could come off the board at 4 to Tennessee. Jordan Tyson. We gave it to the Saints at eight recognizing hey, who could trade up to Number three with the. With the Arizona Cardinals, most likely candidate Mickey Loomis and the Saints as I had in Mach 4.0. But if they stick there and pick. It's a wide receiver, a corner or an. It's not an edge because it's not Reuben Bain. So it's a wide receiver or it's cornerback Mansoor Delaine. Then we get Mansoor Delaine coming off the board at pick nine, recognizing that could very well be Jordan Tyson if he's available. Carnell Tate, who's still available. And also I would say more so than those wide receivers. Ruben Bane, the edge rusher. Kansas City's been rumored to be in trade. Not rumored to be. I know the Kansas City Chiefs have made calls about the potential to trade up. What would it cost? And conversations with teams below them. I think the Dallas Cowboys are an interesting team to keep an eye on of. What would we get if we moved out of pick nine? This could be a wild top 10 tonight. Then at number 10, we've got the Giants again. Is it. Is it. Do we get the perfect match where we get our Caleb Downs? Not the perfect match. The perfect match for the Giants is Jeremiah Love and best defensive player. Maybe it's a Caleb downs still at 10. The second best is we get Caleb Downs, I guess at 5, and then at 10 we get. We get the offensive, you know, the wide receiver that we want, which would be.

[B]

Well, we think that wide receiver would be Tyson. We think they favored Tyson over Tate.

[A]

Right. John Eric Sullivan, the GM for the Miami Dolphins, has a roster that I don't think I've ever entered a draft and seen so much like true need. Like, I don't know that I've ever seen a roster this depleted. But they've got a bunch of picks tonight to get it started and a bunch of. They have two picks tonight, a bunch of picks in the first two rounds. They have four picks in the third round. This is an organization that literally will sit there and like, okay, what's our board? Who's available? Take him. And with a lean towards. If they've got a cluster or a bucket of players with the same grade, it'll be offensive or defensive lineman. Let's build this trenches out. So that could very easily be a Spencer Fano or a Maui Noah. Okay, one of those offensive tackles there, it could be Ruben Bane. If he doesn't go in the top 10, which I think somehow, some way he will. But Ruben Bane could be sitting there at 11. They're in an interesting spot. Miami is Then you've got pick 12. The Dallas Cowboys, we talked a lot about. They need edge and corner. They also just franchised today, just hours ago. Pickens, their wide receiver, right?

[B]

He signed the franchise tag.

[A]

He signed the franchise tag after contract discussions and disputes and frustration. He's there for one more year. But this could be an opportunity if a. If a Carnell Tate or Jordan Tyson were to fall there, I think the Cowboys are very likely to move up, but only slightly. But they're capable of anything tonight. I think at pick 20, they'd like to move back, but I hear a lot of noise about the potential for, like, a Chiefs. You get. We get picked nine in 29, you get. The Chiefs would then get 12 and 20. So something's brewing with Dallas, even though that goes against historically what they've done. And at 13, I don't think there's a chance in the world. Les need, the general manager of the LA Rams, sits there and just nice and quietly and easily walks up to or punches in the number and. And gives it Makai Lemon at 13. They've been targeting. I have information on. They've been doing a lot of work, even up to this week, Wednesday, this week on second day, wide receivers that fit their scheme. Okay, they want a receiver, but they are a wild card. They are a team. When you hear who could be trading up for Jeremiah Love, watch out for that. They're a wild card. Where's Ty Simpson going? I know Ty Simpson has a lot of love from the important players inside that organization. I promise you, there were conversations between organization, Ty Simpson's father back in the fall. Okay, so I'm not saying they're going to. But I gave Ty Simpson to the Rams at 13, and people think I just mailed it in this year. He's off his. He's off his rocker. He's got Caden Proctor going to the Cleveland Browns, and he's got ty Simpson going 13. I'm not saying it's happening, but I've been shocked that we're here at this point and there hasn't been more connection. And then I pick up my phone and Albert Brear is writing, you know, his final bit of information just before the draft saying, saying Ty Simpson, there's a connection there with the Rams. And here we go.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

It's eight. We. We appreciate everyone who's here tonight. It's 801. It's time for the draft to start. Everyone who's watching on Netflix, this is our maiden voyage, and we're thrilled to have you here watching the show. We have eight minute picks tonight. It's going to be the fastest first round in the history of the NFL draft. And we're here for all of the craziness, the potential trades. We've got one quarterback at the top. We got a lot of suspense about who the next quarterback's going to or when the next quarterback is going to come off the board. And Ty Simpson, we've got about six elite players at the top.

[C]

We're going to.

[A]

We got offensive tackles that are going to start flying off the board. We got some receivers that are going to start flying late in this first round. You're going to be here with us. We hope for the entire process. The first time Netflix has ever had an NFL draft show live. And we're thrilled to be hosting it for you. Okay, you can join the chat right? Mensch, where is the word Discord? Discord. Go to Shea 13 on X at you. Goodmensch on X. You can find. Just click the link. We made it nice and easy for you. Join the chat. Hey, Discord, sorry, don't let me host a show. Right. I've heard ATB always trade back Cole Marie. The whole gang is back from our chat and we're thrilled to have everyone there. We'll be checking in with you tonight as well.

[B]

I wonder who Hoss is firing.

[A]

Haas is firing someone. I'm sure it'll be with the first pick. He'll probably be firing Tom Brady from the Raiders. The towels are flying. Roger Goodell's at the podium. We can't hear, thankfully. They're probably booing him. And some few cheers because that's the tradition is that Goodell gets booed at the draft. And here we go. It's the first pick. And I think, well, we know it's Fernando Mendoza, but I do, I do at this point, man, if Dante Moore was in this draft, all we would have talked about for the last three months, all we would have talked about is Dante Moore. Mendoza. Let's put on the tape. Let's look at the analytics. Let's. And all these other players would have been kind of, yeah, I can remember, like espn. It was all right, the A's are Dante Moore and Mendoza. The B's will be Mendoza and Dante Moore. The C's will get, there's okay, a couple of wide receivers and then, yeah, give us one player you're intrigued by and that would be it. And it would be rinse and repeat every day. But because Mendoza has been locked in for so long we haven't given him the full treatment. You know, it's true. And like this guy, let's just do it now. Fernando Mendoza was a three star coming out of Christopher Columbus High School in Miami. Okay. As a three star you're not getting offers and some people think it was a two star, whatever star it was coming out.

[B]

Not a lot of stars.

[A]

Not a lot of stars. He doesn't get a single offer coming out of high school in a hotbed area, by the way, Miami South Florida doesn't get a single offer from a scholarship program in the country, right? And there's over 130 of them. He gets an offer from Yale. He then tries to plead with Miami to let him walk on as the Miami, as a walk on quarterback for the Miami Hurricanes. They say nah man, you're not good enough. So he accepts the offer from Yale. Getting ready to go there last minute. Cal has a need, they reach out. And the only scholarship offer that he gets, Fernando Mendoza, right? All 6 foot 5 of him and probably 205 pounds at the time. Only offer he gets is from Cal. So he goes up to Cal and he, and he grinds through it the first year I believe he winds up red shirting that year. He has to fight his way to the top of the depth chart. And he finally gets the job in 2023. Yep, 2023 gets the starting job but is battling and goes through some injuries and goes through all the things that you go through as a, as a first year starting quarterback. Then 2024 comes and he, and we watched the tape this summer and I remember saying to you mentioned this guy's a first rounder if, if he cleans up the turnover worthy plays at Cal. Remember they're going up on a weekly basis basically against opponents that are better, right? Nil transfer portal. Like if you're playing now in the ACC and it's just better competition. And so he's battling every single week, right? And so the tape shows a quarterback who had to kind of carry a little bit. He had to carry the rest of his teammates on the offensive side. And so he works his way and all of a sudden they start winning some games, right? And winds up the end of the season. I think they're 5 and 5. When he suffers an injury and doesn't play the last two games, he lost his second to last game as a starter. He won his last game as a starter. Then the final two games he doesn't play. Then he gets a, he gets a call. Kirk Signetti did this unbelievable, this turnover job coming from small school, college level IUP to James Madison, then to Indiana. Inherit some players, including the quarterback, I believe, Curtis Rourke, right? Or did he bring him in? No, he brought him from Ohio. Ohio, okay. Brings him in from Ohio, brings in about a third to a half of the roster from JMU where he was last.

[B]

That would have been Signetti's pitch to him right away, though. Every stop that Signetti was at after iup, he brought in a transfer quarterback. And almost always that quarterback was conference player of the year the next year.

[A]

And Rourke, who was limited athletically and was injured that last year, had a lot of success in the system. So Mendoza's like, it's an opportunity I have to take. Indiana went from one of the laughing stocks in college football to in the College Football Playoff right in the first year that Signetti was. Was there. Google me, right? That was his whole thing.

[B]

So good.

[A]

And so opportunity. He sees opportunity. Fernando Mendoza does. So the son of Cuban immigrants winds up getting this opportunity to go play for a team that legitimately could make a run at a national title, but still hadn't been solidified yet. Maybe it was just one great year, but everyone's going to get a beat on Signetti and the schedule talk to schedule is a lot harder this year. We got Oregon, we got Iowa, we got Penn State. Like, this is. This is going to be a tough run. It's not going to be like the first year for. So he brings in Mendoza and Mendoza is like, who's been to the Manning passing Academy the last couple years? And his beloved there is like, sorry, guys, I can't come down. Like, he's put in the grinder right away. Learning the system, it's RPO based. It's all these different things that don't look NFL. But in doing so, he learned a discipline with his eyes and with his reads of where I need to be play within structure. I don't need to be the hero that I was at Cal. I've got players around me. By the way, I got three guys who are going to play in the NFL. Wide receiver alone. I get two running backs that are going to be in the NFL in a matter of four days. Okay? Him being black in the Backfield. Omar Cooper Jr. You're going to hear his name called tonight at wide receiver. The other receiver is Elijah Surrat. You're probably going to hear his name called tomorrow night in the NFL draft. Oh, I got some weapons now and they can protect me. And the system is operable. Right. And so he goes on to win 16 straight games. The national championship, the Heisman Trophy along

[B]

the way just rattles him off and is the.

[A]

And when Dante Moore decided the Oregon quarterback to go back to school for another year, he became the absolute no brainer pick for John Spytek and the Las Vegas Raiders.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so we're about to. With 4 minutes and 40 seconds approximately, depending on our few second delay on the clock, we're about to end. It looks like the pick is in and it's going to be obviously Fernando Mendoza. He now, in addition to all those accolades, becomes the first overall pick of the 2026 NFL Draft. And to me it is one of the great all time four year stories of a player picking up from the ruin, being told, you ain't good enough kid to play anywhere where they give you money to go play to. National champion Heisman Trophy winner and now officially the number one overall pick in the NFL draft to the Las Vegas Raiders. Pretty awesome.

[B]

It's what makes the NFL so great. What makes the draft so great. There's a lot of great stories, a lot of great stories. This is right up there, man.

[A]

It really is. And now it becomes, can you do it in the pros? That was an RPO based system. Tape doesn't look that good. Tape doesn't look like the NFL tape. And I'll be the first to admit, nine games through the year, Ty Simpson was the better quarterback. Ty Simpson was doing NFL stuff pre snap, getting motioning guys around, man to man coverage. Or we go there, balls out, decisive anticipation, all that stuff. Meanwhile, I got Mendoza doing RPO one read. We get two by two receivers right, two to the right, two to the left. We're going the right side on this read half field, read cornerback. If he comes here, I go there. Cornerback goes there, I go here, right? And so it just looks simple, but he's completing like 21 of 23 in every game. And then you start watching these games and you're like, nothing's blowing me away until the fourth quarter. And typically after like a bad mistake or an interception in the fourth quarter, the Iowa game on the road, the Oregon game on the road, the Penn State game on the road. Oregon, I believe was a pick six, right?

[B]

Yeah, he threw a pick six bad

[A]

picks late in games that put his team in danger. Well, guess what? That's when Superman put his cape on and went and fixed it. Yeah, I don't know that I've seen a stone cold killer. Third down, red zone, 28 touchdowns, zero interceptions. Fourth downs, fourth quarter, game on the line since Joe Burrow in 2019. I mean, a stone cold killer. When the game's on the line, when the situation demands the quarterback to step up to that moment, that's why he's the number one.

[B]

I agree. You can talk about the accuracy, you can talk about the frame, you can talk about the mobility, you can talk about the toughness. All of those things are there and that's great. But it's about, I mean, can we say it? Are we allowed to say onions on the live Netflix show?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

I didn't know if we're like trying to class it up. This is a classic mche onions guy. When it matters the most, he steps up and he makes a play and that's what you really want in a quarterback. You can have the strongest arm in the world. He can run around and make people miss. Oh, the pick is in, the pick is in. But if he doesn't have the, the toughness, the mental toughness to make plays when it matters the most, doesn't really matter.

[A]

And Fernando Mendoza becomes not the starting quarterback right away. And we'll get to that conversation in a minute. But the franchise future quarterback of the Las Vegas Raiders, and I want to say this before we roll the B roll and the tape on him, this is important to realize culture is needed and culture is defined by winning in the NFL. Let's be honest, right? Leadership comes from winning. The Raiders are in desperate need of winners in that organization. Fernando is a winner. You ready for this? The last time he lost a game as a starter was 11, 16, 20, 24 versus the 20th ranked Syracuse team at the time. And he did it in a shootout of sorts. 33 to 25, he's 7 and 17. And oh, Mendoza is since that game in November 16th of 2024, the Raiders record dating back to 11, 16, 20, 24, 5 and 20.

[B]

Wow, nice poll.

[A]

Thank you, sir. I like that came on my walk in Manhattan beach this morning. But, but that's in a nutshell. That's the deal with this guy. And Tom Brady sees a lot of himself in Fernando Mendoza, I'm sure. And I mentioned the big moments like latent games and big moments in big games. You're going to see a little bit of it here. Decisive. He's 6, 5, he's 235 pounds. Now he's up to. And you can see some of the mobility. It's not great, but on a straight line it's pretty decent for his size.

[B]

The toughness, man on that Run.

[A]

He's got really good energy on the ball. I'm not putting him in the elite class, but he's just a notch below the decisiveness in the way he like understands and operates is a big part of his game. I also think the accuracy. Here's an interesting thing for you. I was watching him and I went back recently and started watching a lot of these guys just to kind of refresh my brain because I've got all these reports and everything all over our site. Right. That you can find by the way, the ringer.com McShay is a brand new baby. We're developing it and it is. It's got all of our scouting reports. It's got the top three 300 board there. You can find our mock drafts there. You don't need to watch it tonight. I looked through it tonight. But going through all of his tape, his one of the most surprising or one of the things that just stood out to me the most is long levered guys at quarterback don't usually have such repeatable mechanics. And what do I mean by that? I mean it's hard when you're 6 foot 5 and got these long arms and long legs to have consistency with your stroke throwing the football. Right. And so I watch him and it's amazing to me and that you don't just. That's not born. That is like obsessive. It's obsessive drilling and training and working on the littlest details. And also as a young man who was a zero star, one star, two star, whatever he was with no scholarship offers, like the chip that has to be on your shoulder to be that obsessive, to drill in that much detail to every time he throws the ball. It's like you can't tell the difference from this throw to the next throw. And it leads to his accuracy, but it also speaks to who he is and it honestly, it has to be and I would be thrilled to know and we'll never know, like would it have been Dante Moore who maybe is a little bit more talented in terms of passing all that or would it have been Mendoza if more was in this class? But it's got to be Tom Brady looking at this guy as part of the ownership group and obviously a huge say in this decision specifically and all of them. He's got to see a lot of himself.

[B]

Would you say it's a Brady sized

[A]

chip on his shoulder? Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Jets are up, man.

[A]

All right. Jets are up.

[B]

Here we go.

[A]

We have all of day two to talk about the fit with Kubiak and working with Brian Greasy from Mendoza, getting ready for. But this is the drama that I've been waiting for. I am here for this drama.

[B]

We all are. Man, this is going to be great.

[A]

David Bailey is the pick. It's bird in hand. He's the proven pass rusher. He's the guy that you look at and you see the numbers, you see the. The what it looks like with the length 33 1/4 inch arms 6 3, 58 inches. He ran a 4, 5, 40. Not exceptional, but he's fast enough.

[B]

Damn good.

[A]

And the production score is among the best you'll ever find for an edge rusher. Right. Coming out in the draft in 20, 25, he racked up 19 and a half tackles for loss, 14 and a half sacks, forced three fumbles, all on strip sacks. Tape got better and better each and every week. But then you got Arvell Reese. A cyborg is one executive in the league talking to me about him. Called him who's not developed yet. One year as a starter, edge rusher was only used kind of as spot duty. It increased. Matt Patricia's defensive coordinator spent a lot of time in the NFL, including with Tom Brady and with Bill Belichick in New England. Got the most out of him. But there's more you can get. It was only his first year as a starter. The pick is in and it's David Bailey. And thank goodness I stuck to my guns even though I flip flopped for 48 hours and came back to it. But thank goodness we stuck to our guns again today.

[B]

What was with the canceled visit? Who cares? I think they make the right pick here. I think this is the right player for them.

[A]

The canceled visit was this. I think that there's. There was a world in which an opportunity came into trade and I think word had gotten out that it was David Bailey for a while. And I think word got out that if it's David and while word got out that it might be David Bailey, we're not getting enough calls and maybe what if it's Arvel Reese? And so the Arvell Reese stuff starts getting out there and let's see if there's any. Maybe Dallas is more interested in Reese because why is it that the guy sitting right behind me is getting all these calls right in the Arizona Cardinals? Why is it we're talking of the Chiefs moving up, the Saints moving up or the Cowboys moving up for Reese, but at the end of the day, this is the guy they wanted. This is the guy that Aaron Glenn believes can be the difference in his defense. I'm not saying he's going to be Hutch Aiden Hutchinson who was phenomenal when Aaron Glenn was defensive coordinator in Detroit. But you can see the flat out speed from Aaron Bailey, the force fumbles. We talked about what on tape jumped out to you the most about Bailey.

[B]

I actually think he's more than just a speed rusher. It is his speed and I get that. But I think he wins with his hands and he's able to redirect a little bit more than people give him credit for. We will say he's got to get better against the run. He's a bit, a little bit of a leaner guy, but I think he's got the length and the frame to get better there. We'll see how long that takes and what role he plays early for the jets. But again, I think this is the right pick because he's more of a. It's a higher. It's tough to say. I feel like it's a little higher floor than Arvell Reese as an edge. As an edge, I think Arville Reese is going to be a great off ball linebacker if he's not a great edge. But as an edge, strictly speaking, the floor is a little higher for David Bailey.

[A]

In my opinion, the floor's higher and that's why they took him.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[A]

And I've come to find out that the Darren Mugi, the general manager for the New York jets is like I said before, he's. Along came Paulie, he's been stiller. He's like a human risk assessment. Ruben, Ruben, that's what he is. It's risk assessment. He's risk averse. And there's risk in the conversion from off ball linebacker to edge. And there's risk in one year starter with David Bailey. It's four years in college. It's development, it's year over year improvement. It's peaking in his last year and, and it's proven pass rush ability and that's what they went with at the end of the day. Now you could argue the floor's high because you know you're getting a great off ball linebacker. I get that. But some in the league I talked to said, yeah, you can be a great off ball linebacker. Arvel Reese can be but he can't really turn and run in coverage like that was Sonny Styles.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So what are we getting that. I mean, so that was, that was the discussion inside the building until the building shut off and it was one to two to three people max that actually had this information and misinformation was getting out there. But it certainly gave us a lot of drama leading up to the draft and I'm grateful for it, man. And so as we look at David Bailey now, I want to look at the jets real quick.

[B]

Right? Yeah. I mean we are rolling.

[A]

I'm telling you.

[B]

This eight minute thing is going to. We got to use this pace.

[A]

They've got three more picks in the top 44. We'll get back to it. But this is a huge addition for the New York jets in terms of needing the pass rusher to build around. They brought in Tavandre Sweat. They brought in David Onyamada. The defensive tackles. Those are two interior guys. They brought in the aging Demario Davis. They brought in Joseph asai. They brought in Nayshawn Wright and Minka Fitzpatrick. They brought in a lot of dudes on the defensive side. But while they're bringing in veterans, they need to get young on that side. Next year is going to be about the quarterback and. And continuing to put pieces around them. Pick 16 could be about trading back to get even more picks. And if not, it's probably going to be about getting a weapon. Yeah, for Geno this year. But for 2027's quarterback, when we go insert Arch Manning or we go insert Dante Moore because anything less than whoever's number one on two or two on the board, then this kind of failed because they're the team that probably is going to be one picking in the top 10 to begin with. They also got three picks already in the first round in 2027. So that's outrageous. That's not normal. I think the jets the last. It was. Wasn't that. My gosh. That was one of the first years we covered the draft. They had three first round Anthony Becht. Man, I'm dating myself. The quarterback. Yeah. Was it. Was it.

[B]

I think he was after.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The Cardinals are sticking and picking. Their Cardinals are sticking.

[A]

Here we go. Let's go.

[B]

This is the first spot. We thought we might see a trade.

[A]

Everyone tells me it's Jeremiah Love then let's see. That's the information. It's Jeremiah Love.

[B]

I hate when we do. The pick is in and then. And it takes five minutes to get. Get it going.

[A]

They're not trading out. That that is. That in and of itself is news.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because there was a lot of conversation about the Saints at eight trading up for an edge rusher Arvell Reese. There's a lot of talk about the Chiefs Trading up from nine to number three, Arvell Reese. There was talk about the Cowboys trading all the way up given pick 12 and 20 to go all the way up to get Arvel Reese. Right. No longer is that a possibility. It is now. The Cardinals pick. My sensibilities tell me, my gosh, they need an offensive tackle, but this is too high for Francis Maui Noah. My sensibilities tell me, my gosh, don't turn down an edge rusher for a running back. Right. You don't do that if they're anywhere close in grade. But my intel tells me it's going to be Jeremiah Love. I'm not saying that's a bad pick, and we're about to find out. Right now, the pick is in. And with the third pick in the 2026 NFL Draft. Wait for it. Pause is really effective.

[B]

Yeah, Pause for effect.

[A]

Jeremiah Love. Fascinating pick. I was told ownership wanted Jeremiah Love. I was told the coaching staff obsessed with Jeremiah Love. Understandably so. Mike LaFleur, remember Mike LaFleur, new head coach, comes from that tree. The Shanahan Tree Brothers. The head coach, Green Bay Packer, wide, wide zone. The system that a lot of teams are using because in different variations of. Like the LaFleur version looks different from the McVeigh version, which looks only slightly different from that, but it looks different than that of the San Francisco Shanahan version, which looks different than dad. The dad Shanahan version.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Koc Kevin o' Connell in Minnesota is running a little different versus. But they're all from that tree.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And in that tree, there is. There is an emphasis, interestingly enough, because it was not there for dad.

[B]

Right?

[A]

You get a running back in the sixth, Terrell Davis, you know, you get a running back sixth, seventh round. Here you see Jeremiah Love. Why is he so important? See the catching of the football. That's why the spin move is beautiful. The top end speed. Remember, he runs a 4, 3, 6 at the combine. So not only are you getting a big dude, you're getting 4, 3, 6 speed. You're getting a guy that makes you miss. You're getting a guy that spins out of trouble with good contact balance for a taller. For a taller running back. And most importantly, most importantly, I say this. In this system and for this pick, you better be getting more than just a running back if you're drafting a running back at number three. And in this system, they believe with Mike Frank LaFleur coming in, that a running back can not only be a guy, we turn around, hand the ball off To Jacoby Brissette. For now, we'll see if Ty Simpson is an Arizona Cardinal by the end of the night. But Jeremiah Love now is someone as an outlet in the passing game. Yes, you can put him in the slot. He can run. He turned a lot of heads, man, including mine. With that combine workout with the ability to run routes and sink his hips and get in and out of breaks. Yeah. And so I get your stance on. He's a running back.

[B]

Yeah, running backs catch the ball, too.

[A]

But Jeremiah Love Average over 10, 10 yards per reception at Notre Dame.

[B]

That is a high number.

[A]

And if you're watching, you watch the clips that we just had of him there. The ease in which he catches the football is not normally what you see from a running back. And we watch tape all the time. He catches it with ease and transitions up field and is a difference maker with the ball in his hands in space and that provides value. And yes, you brought in Tyler Algier, who's a power back and is very used to. The interesting part of this is Algiers signs up for gets away from Bijan Robinson in Atlanta, where he was honestly, rightfully so, but overshadowed and how productive his ability level was there with the Falcons. Goes to Arizona thinking, well, he can be the guy as James Connors coming off of a massive injury will come back and they can do some rotating. But now Algiers, in the same exact spot, star rookie running back comes in like Bijan did a few years ago, and he's going to be. He's going to be the guy. And I'm going to have to play that same role.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, does Alvin Camara play running back or does he play weapon? I don't. I'm confused.

[A]

In New Orleans, he played weapon.

[B]

Okay. I mean, I'm just saying, like the running backs line up in the slot sometimes. He's still a running back. He's just a damn good running back. That's what he is. Like you're still drafting and running. We could do all these bells and whistles about, oh, now he's a weapon. And now we feel better about taking him at three.

[A]

Well, what number? What? Okay, fine, let's do this. What number, what number on the board was he for you?

[B]

Oh, best player in the draft.

[A]

So then why are you complaining of the team at number three just took him?

[B]

I'm not complaining. I'm identifying the risk and making sure that we're talking about it and not just saying that. This guy I loved Astro Genti last year. He as a Genti, didn't change from the player that he was before the draft to the player he was after the draft, still that same talented running back. The problem was he went somewhere that couldn't really put him in a position to succeed. So my concern is now we have Jeremiah Love, this really talented, gifted runner, receiver, all of these things, and now he's going somewhere that has a real need at right tackle, doesn't really have the passing game just like the Raiders last year, doesn't have the passing game to keep people from loading up in the box. This could be a real tough year for Jeremiah Love if history tells us anything. And who was the last running back to go in the top five? Saquon Barkley. Right. Yes, he was awesome for the Giants, right? No, he was awesome for the Giants. I mean, he's productive, but Giants didn't win anything.

[A]

He wasn't awesome.

[B]

And then he went to the Eagles. And then he went to the Eagles, which was a much better built roster.

[A]

I won a Super Bowl. The Eagles Saquon looked awesome to me. The Giants Saquon looked great in times and did some great. But yeah, okay, I'm making your point for you. Let me make your point for you even more. The Cardinals gave up 59 sacks last year, fifth most in the NFL. The Cardinals tackles, if you look at their run block win rate, was last in the NFL, fifth furthering that point, 25th in yards per rush, outside the tackles last year, 4.6 yards. They need a tackle and now they don't pick till 29. And there's speculation that they could use that pick to move up to go get Ty Simpson if he's available in that range and we'll see if. No, they're picking at 34. I'm thinking of the Chiefs. They pick at 34 behind the jets at 33 in the second round. There's speculation they're going to trade back into the first round and it's not going to be for an offensive tackle and the tackle run is going to go earlier than that. So they've got some answering answering to do in terms of the personnel up front on the offensive line. But they get an absolute superstar for whichever quarterback they insert, whether it's this year or next. The Titans pick is in this eight minute clock is no joke. But we better, we had a plan.

[B]

We better plan until they get punched.

[A]

I love it. I mean, I don't love the pick necessarily, but I kind of love that they who's the pick? Carnell Tate. I'm doing what you did Last so, so bad. Carnell Tate, wide receiver, Ohio State, is the pick for the Tennessee Titans.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Why do I. First of all, stunned by this. Stunned by this because you know who's on the board. Arvel Reese.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know who's on the board? Sonny Stiles. So it show goes to show. Remember I said if you were watching this pre show with us, I said, you've got Brian Dable, the offensive coordinator for the Titans, and you've got Robert Sala, the head coach of the Titans, and Mike Borgonzi is the GM who's got to kind of hear, I did this. Like, you know, if you're a fly on the wall in one of their draft, just the three of them, they're talking about the situation. You got day ball being like, we got to take Jeremiah Love if he's there. We got to take a weapon for Cam Warden. Man, I tried so hard to trade up for Cam Ward. I get an opportunity to coach Cam Ward now, like, let's go get this guy a weapon. We got the play caller, me, we got the. The protection's getting better. We can keep upgrading that, but let's go get a playmaker, right? And then you got Salah being like, telling you, man, we need it. We need to get Fred Warner on this defense. We got to get Fred Warner on this defense, right? And he goes on and. Or if it's not Fred Warner, let's take Arvell Reese in this situation, get an edge rusher. But we could get Sonny Styles and be our Fred Warner. Let's get Arvel Reese. And Dabel looks at him and is like, yo, we just got fired from both new. Both teams in New York market for not having offenses. Are we going to do this again? And Borgonzi's like, hey, I got this.

[B]

This.

[A]

I got this. And Briganzi's answer is Carnell Tate. Now, it's intriguing. I wonder what if it would have been Jeremiah Love. And my guess is my intel is, yes, it would have been. But this tells you point blank this, I call this truth serum night. Right? This tells you point blank the emphasis that will be placed on surrounding Cam Ward with the weapons he needs to be successful. And it also tells you what, while it's Mike Borgonzi's decision, he's not going to make a decision unless we're on board together. Right. That Robert Sala has come to the understanding in my second go around after the New York jets failure, I have got to put better personnel on the offensive side. It's not just about my defensive side and my defensive side we gave a lot of attention to in free agency and we got that thing just about right. We feel like or heading in the right direction with Jermaine Johnson, John John Franklin Myers at defensive tackle, Jermaine Johnson at the edge. Also from the jets with Salah Alante Taylor and Cordell Flood at cornerback.

[B]

Our guy, Ola Dejo coming back from last year, was a little banged up. They, they like him. They think he's, he's an up and comer.

[A]

So now you've got Alec IO Manor, who they drafted last year in the fourth round, who we liked a lot. Right. But had some catching issues but. But was looked better last year. They've got Shamir dk, who is also a fourth round pick. They used two fourth rounders on wide receivers a year ago. Dk, one of the best punt returns.

[B]

The king of the cross route.

[A]

Florida, man, it was just deep crossers, four, three, speed, catch me on the go. But he, he showed progress and was great in the return game last year. They've got Calvin Ridley there. They got. And they brought in Wondale Robinson as well. But now you look up and you're like, wait a second. We got Tony Pollard in the backfield who's been over 1,000 yards the last few years.

[B]

I think four or five seasons in

[A]

a row, man, Tajie Spears, if he can stay healthy behind him. We've got an offensive line. We brought an Austin Schlotman at center. We got Cordell Volson. We brought in. We got J.C. latham at right tackle, we got Dan Moore at left tackle, Peter Skoronski at left guard. And now we got a receiving core that includes Carnell Tate, Wandale Robinson, Calvin Ridley, Ellic IO Manor and Shamir dk and Brian Dable sitting back. As I know Brian's like, yep, we can do this now. Let's go.

[B]

Yeah. You don't think it's a little early? Who would you take? Would you have taken Reese or Tate?

[A]

I would have taken Arville Reese all day long.

[B]

Yeah, I get, I get your point about Dable being happy.

[A]

I'm just telling you, Cam Ward should be happy. We can sit here and we could debate them, right. What they should have taken. And I'm here for that. But I also, I think they're. Every pick reveals truths and I wanted Titans fans, that's an extra trainer to understand the truth of what's going on.

[B]

That is an excellent point.

[A]

In my conversations with Brian and our conversation with Mike Borgonzi. Like, we've talked to these people who are making these decisions, who are part of this group and we understand the why. And also with Robert Sala and the mistakes that were made his first go around. And having an understanding like leadership is about so many things. But. But part of good leadership is self evaluation and understanding the mistakes you've made in the past so you don't repeat them. This to me is an organization that is determined to not repeat past failures as we have with the head coach and the offensive coordinator.

[B]

And you're letting your young quarterback who's come off a little bit of a rough start, you're letting him know we are fully invested in you and we

[A]

are going to build around you 100%.

[B]

So I get it.

[A]

And gunner, helmet, tight end, had a really good rookie year as a fourth round pick. How many fourth round picks do they have last year? Man, this is. And you know what's great too? It is so far off of the mock draft radar and everything, you know, like, right, like, let's go. I'm here for all the madness. Let's get this highlighter out. Yep. But now you talk about the madness and you talk about drama. The Giants are now on the board. The New York Football Giants, as we discussed in the pre show, traded away Dexter Lawrence. You can put up that really detailed graphic that we have breaking down that, breaking down the trade, the 10th overall pick for Dexter Lawrence to the Cincinnati Bengals. And the beauty of that graphic is that there's literally just one thing because normally it's Dexter Lawrence and a sixth for a conditional seventh. The 10th overall pick, a third in 2027. It was a simple trade that gave the Giants an opportunity to part ways with a man, let's face it, who was offered just the same amount of money, but for five years as the reports that he got for Cincinnati and $28 million for two years, he wanted out of New York. And so John Harbaugh doesn't want someone who doesn't want to be a part of that football.

[B]

Right. You can't start off like that.

[A]

So we're not starting that way off, starting off that way. So they get two picks in the top 10, their original five, and then they pick again at 10. Here's the information I've been given that the Giants, Jeremiah Love would have been the pick. If he's there he goes three, the earliest he could have come off the board. In all the scenarios after that, it was Caleb Downs and it was Jordan Tyson. And I ask you this question, does that pick at four Being a wide receiver change things because there's a scenario in which you think you could possibly get downs at 5 and Tyson at 10.

[B]

Not anymore.

[A]

Not anymore.

[B]

Yeah, that's what you're talking about.

[A]

Because if like the, if the Saints became a wide receiver team and they took Tate, we could still get Tyson. And maybe they liked Tate a whole lot. But there was just information about Tyson recently because Joe Shane, the general manager, was out at the, at the workout.

[B]

But if you make the assumption that either The Saints at 8 or the Chiefs at 9 are going to take a wide receiver, it's only one guy now.

[A]

So the pick is in.

[B]

Do we see Jordan Tyson here? That's what we're kind of getting at.

[A]

Well, Goodell's clapping.

[B]

He's happy. Do you think? I think it's early for Caleb Downs. I hate that.

[A]

I hate the pause.

[B]

I've been suckered in by the. The pick is in again.

[A]

I, yeah, we're gonna get suckered in by it all night long. But I'm gonna do a better job of announcing it the second that we get it and not just celebrating without giving you the, giving you what the details are. Fernando Mendoza is the number one overall pick to the Las Vegas Raiders. The jets take David Bailey. They go the, in their minds the safer route with the proven pass rusher. Jeremiah Love is the pick for the Arizona Cardinals. The Tennessee Titans then throw, throw us the first curveball. There was no information that was happening and they take, they take Carnell Tate. Arvell Reese at number five is the pick for the New York Giants. And I should have mentioned his name a minute ago because all the information that if Reese was there and I didn't believe he would be there, that Reese would be the pick.

[B]

And Kayvon Thibodeau was on Zillow as we speak.

[A]

Arvell Reese, our number two overall prospect in the draft. Arvell Reese in 94 grade. Arvell Reese, a man who has physical traits that are just unbelievable. And Arvell Reese, a player that we both watched on tape. And I'm curious. I'll go to you first because I've talked a lot already tonight. No surprise. What jumps out to you about Rvel Reese?

[B]

Well, I love the, the upside as an edge. I love the snap in his hips and his hands when he wants to win with speed to power. And you do see him start to develop a little bit as a hand fighter and his ability to set up pass rush moves as the season progressed. But still, I mean, we are just scratching the surface in terms of what he can do and then the, the versatility and what that allows you to do in terms of being multiple bull and what allows you to do in terms of, of masking blitzes and, and where guys are coming from and who's dropping and all of that stuff. He, he brings so much to the table.

[A]

Oh, trade.

[B]

We have a trade.

[A]

And number six, we said this, we said.

[B]

Yep, this is, we said it might happen here.

[A]

I do want to mention this about our perfect fit for this team for all the, for all the Giants fans. Right. The Chiefs.

[B]

Who the Chiefs trading up for?

[A]

Oh, this is Tyson Jordan. Tyson.

[B]

This is Tyson.

[A]

They got nervous with Carnell Tate going, going early and if they got past five.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So the Chiefs will trade?

[B]

Well, we don't know but that's what I think.

[A]

I mean our. I want to say this about Arvel Reese while we're still on this pick for the Giants because this is a massive decision. What happens in these, these two picks in the top 10 for the Giants is massive. They've got a guy in Arvell Reese who yes, can be an off the ball linebacker, but let's not kid ourselves. Arvell Reese. As the season went on, even Matt Patricia was like this guy is special. He's only 241 pounds but he's got 32 and a half inch arm length. He ran a freaking 4, 4, 6, 40 coming off the edge right at the combine. He ran that. More importantly, the 10 yard split is critical for edge rushers. That's how quickly do you take off and get to your first 10 yards. Bill Polian told me going back to the days where he drafted those great edge rushers, the speed guys on the turf there inside the Colts fed extension, Colts dome, that it was 160 is the number and I've always gone by that and I've checked it with 100 people in the league say if you get one six or faster. He ran a one five, eight. This guy is explosive as all get out and he is powerful when he gets into your pads. Now he's got to learn how to counter move off of the first if he gets stuck on. There's development that has to happen. Right. And you're looking at a Giants team too that yeah, he had. Listen, he. You look at that team. 327 snaps were on the defensive line last year for race. 286 were off ball linebacker. But we drafted Abdul Carter last year. We have Kayvon Thibodeau. Who is he going to be Traded. Because that was all the talk last year.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We've got Brian Burns. So what role. So Reese is legitimately going to play a similar role, it would seem, where he's an off ball linebacker, converting back and forth and doing all those different things, right? Yeah. What do you mean?

[B]

Yeah, I think he's going to be an edge in this scheme. I think they're going to trade Kayvon Thibodeau and they're going to rotate those three.

[A]

But when he's not rotating, he can play off ball linebacker.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

He can.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

And their run defense was absolutely atrocious. Absolutely atrocious. So. And we talked about that over and over again. Is the New York Giants with their, their run defense. They've got, they've got to get some answers. And the trading, trading Dexter Lawrence didn't help matters.

[B]

No.

[A]

But they brought in Tremaine Edmonds.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Honestly, you know what this does for you if you're Denard Wilson, the defensive coordinator, and with John Harbaugh, this makes you so freaking multiple up front.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. You know what, I shouldn't be so dismissive. There is a world where they keep that. They keep Thibodeau, of course, and they play styles next to. I mean that's. Man, look, that receiving. I mean that linebacker. Core size, speed, versatility, all of those guys. I mean, Edmonds is an athletic freak.

[A]

So we'll get back to the giants at pick 10. Now, the Kansas City Chiefs have moved up and we'll get you the trade details in just a little bit here. The Chiefs have moved up and you have to wonder who's this pick? I mean, Caleb Downs, Sonny Styles and Caleb Downs are our top two prospects on the board. The Browns receive. This is important information. The Browns receive pick nine, 74 and 148. Okay, so they get nine 74. I'm writing it in 74 and 148. So it wasn't. Whoa, man, sword. That's where I was gonna go because that's who I thought that they could take at number nine.

[B]

Right. So who they afraid of the Saints taking him?

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We just did a flash mock where you were begging me to take Mentor Delaney.

[B]

This is such a good fit for what they do.

[A]

Explain to people why.

[B]

Because, I mean they play. They play a high rate of man, but a high rate of man is around. I think it's like 52, 53%. And he's outstanding in man. I mean he's. He is. He can turn and run and press. I mean, he's just, he's a.

[A]

Who is the comp that you gave

[B]

Trent McDuffie who they just lost, who. Who just left to sign with the. Who they just traded to the Rams. I think this young man is a, is very similar to that. And especially I'll finish the thought he could play, man, he could turn around and press.

[A]

He's.

[B]

He does a great job of reading the quarterback and hunting the ball and zone looks. He's great at all of that stuff. But the thing that I love the most about him is the competitive nature. He's not the biggest, he's not the longest, he's not the fastest, but he is just the best corner on the field. And we talked about it. We both watched tape almost at the same time, I think in October, maybe November. And the first thing we said to each other was, he's the smartest dude on the field.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

He just understands the game is slow to him. He understands how officers are trying to attack him. He understands their tendencies and he exploits them. He is a very smart, versatile, talented corner. And I said, you know, before we, before it started that when I thought he was going seven, I thought they were going to be teams that were. They were going to look back and wish they had taken him earlier. So I think this is a great value and it's a massive need for them and I don't think they gave up too much looking at it and maybe you'll feel differently looking at it later on. Right now that doesn't feel like too much to go up and get this player.

[A]

Well, they pick it. They picked at 9 and 29. Now it's 6 and 29. They start off with Mansoor Delane, who's going to replace obviously Trent McDuffie who went to the Rams this offseason and he was a first team all pro like he was the guy his teammate Jalen Watson also signed with the Rams just, just a little bit after that. The Chiefs defense only allowed 18 passing touchdowns last season that was tied for fourth fewest in the NFL. McDuffie was only allowed three on 378 coverage snaps and zero for Watson on 478 coverage snaps. So this is not a defense that's used to giving up touchdowns through the air. And their corners were the, the, the reason for that. Now they made moves that made you think, well, maybe, maybe Spags will just, just coach them up. They're all right with their cornerbacks. They've got, they've got Christian Fuller, they've got Noel Williams.

[B]

They really Like Noel Williams.

[A]

They like Noel Williams a lot. But they. But this defense has got to have good corners for Spags to do the things that he does up front. Right? And the aggressiveness that you've seen in Super Bowls, in the playoffs, and big moments. Right.

[B]

Hoot.

[A]

Like Spags will dial up something that will blow your mind and blow a quarterback's mind, most importantly. But you got to have guys behind that can hold up a certain amount and do it in the right scheme and be. Be trusted. And so there was a lot of speculation. Andy wants an offensive tackle. We got to get a reliable weapon. This wide receiver core is a disaster, you know, to put it. Extremely. And unreliable, to put it lightly. Okay. And we eventually need another tight end. We can get to that a little bit later. But there were talk about Jordan Tyson at wide receiver, Kenyon Siddiq at tight end, offensive tackle moving up for an edge rusher. It's another need. And they go and they turn around. They give away pick 74 and 148, which means they now only have picks 29 later this round. They don't trade back, which I'm guessing Brett Veach will try to do, unless they trade up for a tackle and pick 40, which is in the second round. Okay. So that's the outlook for the Chiefs. They got the best cornerback in this. In this draft, and it fills that need. And they hope they pick up where they left off with, with. With Noel Williams and Delaine and with. And with Fulton at the cornerback spot. But they still need to get edge and offensive tackle, and they need wide receiver and they need tight end as this draft progresses. Now, up on the clock is the commander, and I do want to make this point. Delane had 40 starts. He got better each and every year. 41 pass defend, defended, 33 breakups, eight interceptions. He's an absolute playmaker. Now the commanders are on the clock. And outside of Jeremiah Love, the running back from Notre Dame, being on the board, this is kind of a dream scenario because I've thought all along Sonny Styles is the guy that they want. But I also am looking at a commander's team that needs a wide receiver, and Jordan Tyson is still sitting there. Although I've been told different things. I was told from someone I lean on that Carnell Tate was the wide receiver that they had above. But that doesn't preclude them from taking. Taking Jordan Tyson from Arizona State here. With all that said, the selection is in and we'll get to it. But this is an important one. I was Told by a lot of people close to this deal that it had to be a defensive player for Dan Quinn. That Dan Quinn absolutely. Like pressure from ownership down to Adam Peters, to the head coach himself. You're the defensive guy. You got to get us better than we were last year. The rush defense ranked 30th in the NFL, 27th in yards per rush last year. And it looks. Well, we'll see. Sonny Stiles is going to be the picket, I believe, when it comes up. And Sonny Styles is the guy I've said all along, Jeremiah Love. If it's not him there, then Sonny Styles will be the. If it's not. Yeah. If it's not Jeremiah Love still on the board. And we knew a while back that it wasn't going to be. That their dream situation would be Sonny Styles not going to the titans. Titans at 4 because of, because we thought that there was. There were a lot of connections there. And falling to us here at number eight. And so Sonny Stiles is the pick for, for the Commanders at number eight. Makes all the sense in the world to me.

[B]

Rebuilding the defensive front. They will have four new starting linebackers now. They will have a new starting nose tackle. I mean, they were very aggressive in free agency and this is kind of the, the crown jewel in the, in. In what they're doing. Day one starter, he's going to give Quinn a ton. Again, we're talking about these players that NFL teams value because of their versatility and all of the different things they can do. And this is another guy that as good as he is, he's been. This is a former safety that turned into a linebacker a couple years ago. He's still getting better and that's scary. It's scary that he's still getting better and that he has this incredible toolbox of natural gifts that he can tap into.

[A]

I think Sonny Styles is one of the three best football players in this draft. I think Sonny Styles, then you see him at the combine and what he did with 11, two broad jump, that lower body explosion, which was absolutely 100th percentile. Best in the last three years. Vertical jump 43 inches. Best in the last three years. I think it might have been a 33, 43 and a half inch vertical, I should say 10 yard split. I told you how great that 10 yard split was for an edge rusher. And Arvell Reese, well, he came in at inches, a couple inches taller and like an inch and a half taller. And how many pounds heavier it was? Oh, no. 3 pounds heavier. 24044 pounds and ran a 1, 56 in his 10 yard split. He ran a 446 in his 40 yard dash. This guy is not from this earth from a testing athletic athleticism standpoint and he's going to keep getting better and better and Dan Quinn needs this guy.

[B]

I told you about their run giddy tonight.

[A]

They also here's an important number you need to know. They allowed 11.1 yards per reception to running backs and tight ends a year ago. Did the Washington Commanders. That was the most allowed per reception to running backs and tight ends in the entire league last year. Sonny Styles immediately erases that problem with his coverage skills and his athleticism and they brought brought in Leo Chanel and they they're actually great compliments to one another. Right.

[B]

I like that.

[A]

So I third overall player on my board fits exactly what Dan Quinn needs is a perfect complement to what they have. And now I think Washington will shift the focus when they come back on the board. Unfortunately for Commanders fans not till pick 71. Unless there's a trade that changes that. They have six picks in the draft. They don't have a second rounder. So we'll see you in round three. But this is an awesome start for the Commanders. Now let's look at the best available. Right. And this is where the draft starts to get interesting and things are going to start to fly and I'm here for all of it. New Orleans Saints are on the board. We've heard a lot about the Saints. There was talk about them moving up. Not the case. They're staying home. I think that's the smart decision too. They pick at 8 and 42 and 73. They've got some holes to fill. Cornerback is one of them. Wide receiver with Tyler Schuck is one of them. Edge rusher is one of them. Then there are what I would call secondary needs beyond that. So let's look at our board. There's not a corner or wide receiver Edge at number one. But there's a safety in Caleb Downs who I don't think is going to be the pick here. At number eight. There's an offensive tackle in Francis, Maui Noah. I don't think he's going to be the pick here this week. Although talking to Mickey Loomis, he'll draft a first round offensive tackle every year if he could. Yeah. Jeff Ireland will. You know we'll balance that thing out. This is the guy that's fascinating to me and I get it. New Orleans with the injury issues. Do you want to bring him down there Is that the best place for him? But with Chris Olave and his injury issues and inability to stay healthy, and with Devon Vilay, the former Broncos wide receiver, as literally their second best receiver and only had 25 catches last year, can you imagine you have a second year quarterback who showed this much promise and you're looking at a roster if you're Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland and you're saying to yourself, our number two receiver at the moment behind our number one receiver in Chris Olave, who is at a massive struggle. It feels like every break that could go wrong for Chris Olave, he's a great human being on top of a great football player, has gone wrong. But our number two target for Tyler Schuck, that showed all that promise last year is a guy who has 25 catches and 293 receiving yards a year ago. I mean, it's scary. And Olave is an unrestricted free agent after this upcoming season. So, wide receiver, if it's not Jordan Tyson here. Yeah. You pick again at 42. And there are receivers in the second round, you know, the usual suspects with

[B]

out of the question. They take two.

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I don't think it's out of the question. They take two either here, Steve. Unless there's an edge rusher that's staring you in the face or a cornerback, and we're going to see a cornerback run early in the second round, and there are still good edge rushers to be had, I think, you know, later second round or maybe early third. It's 73, but you can't count on it. But at the end of the day, what's more important than getting a playmaker for Kellen Moore in this offense? Doug Nussmeier, Interestingly enough, his son is being drafted into the National Football League probably tomorrow night. Worst case, early Saturday. And he has been relieved of his duties on draft weekend. Did you know that? No, I heard that yesterday or I heard that on Tuesday. Monday or Tuesday. That's for. For to be with his son. Oh, you mean it sound like relieved of his duties inside the, inside the draft room this weekend. Go be with your son. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity.

[B]

That's great.

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Former NFL quarterback Doug Nuss Meyer.

[B]

You couldn't have put that worse.

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I just.

[B]

I thought you maybe heard the leaves of his duties.

[A]

He's, you know, I thought maybe you heard the news. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

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You want to go hang out with your kid?

[B]

You're fired.

[A]

Yeah, no, I, I think it's beautiful that he Goes, yeah, it's great.

[B]

They gave the weekend off is maybe how you say it.

[A]

Gave him the weekend off.

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Go hang out with your son.

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Relieved of his duties inside the draft room. I think they'll be fine with. With Mickey Loomis and Jeff Ireland and Kellen Moore and the gang. So they pick here at 8. If it's. I'm going to be shocked if it's not wide receiver, and it could be Makai Lemon. But we would. You would think it would be Jordan Tyson with this pick. And the pick is in. It looks like it's coming in. We'll get the music to do. It's got to happen next year, I'm told next year we got to wait. We're not a red tape group, you and. You and I. But, but, you know, there's, there's, there's procedures and organizations. The pick is in. If it's not Jordan Tyson, it's going

[B]

to be Ruben Bing. Because we said that it wasn't a good fit for them.

[A]

Someone told me it's not a good fit for him. And I understand where the concept was. My guess is it's got to be. It's got to be the wide receiver here.

[B]

I would. Yeah. I mean.

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And Tyler Shuck, one of our favorites last year. My absolute dude, man. We had him on this. He's the only player we interviewed the entire draft process last year. And it's because I sought him out at the combine.

[B]

Yeah.

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After the Senior bowl and after watching his tape and then learning of his story, there it is. Yeah. Jordan Tyson. And so now. Now Tyler Schuck after the. The wonderful end to his college story that took seven years and four different stops comes in New Orleans. Not the starter to start the year, but now in the second year after taking over the starting job gets this guy. I want you to watch that balance along the sideline line. I want you to watch how he separates and the late pluck that he does as a receiver. He is not great. After the catch, you can see a little bit of a Titanic there. We're changing directions and yes, they'll give him the ball in reverse and stuff, but honestly, he reminds me so much of Stefan Diggs, but taller his ability. He's 6 2, right. He's a 62 wide receiver who you watch and you're like, this guy's 5 11, right? The way he moves the. The. You know, And I'm sure my mic is driving Tucker crazy right now, but he has the ability to separate and get open unlike any other wide Receiver in this class and that thing, that's a thing of beauty. Most people you'll talk to in the league. He says Jordan Tyson's the best wide receiver in this class, talent wise. I don't disagree.

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Right.

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The rub is this. Jordan Tyson missed one out of every three football games during his four year career in college. It started at Colorado, right? And he that in first year did really good things as a freshman. But he has a bad knee tear. ACL, MCL, PCL. Mrs. Most of the next season, which transfers to Arizona state, plays like three or four games. That, that last, that last, that 2023 season. 2024, he's back to full strength, has a monster season. Will Leviss is dealing the ball to him with Scatterboo in the background, right. Or the backfield and they're rolling so good they get it to the College Football Playoff. But he suffers then a collarbone break, broken collarbone, bone. He misses the College Football Playoff, devastating. But he comes back and he plays this last season. And Will Levis isn't the same and the team's not the same and he gets a hamstring injury and you think, well, he's probably just shutting it down at the end of the year. But then he doesn't work out at the combine. Then he doesn't work out at the pro day. And so finally on April 17, six days ago, he had to put on a little bit of a display. 28 routes he ran catching the football for general manager, scouts and NFL personnel that all came back to Arizona State after the pro day earlier, a few weeks earlier, where he couldn't work out and got to watch him run 28 routes and catch the ball. Looks good. Great. All right. Back up to where he should be. There was talk about the Giants maybe taking him as high as 5. Joe Shane, the GN, the general manager from the Giants was there wasn't a lot of discussion about the Saints taking him, although word got out they like him, but they also like some other players. We'll see what happens. And here he becomes the pick for the New Orleans Saints at number eight overall. And I think it's an awesome pick for them because of the what we just talked about with their wide receiver. Lack of production and talent in that group.

[B]

And who is this wide receiver coach at Arizona State High? Ward.

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Great point. This kid is.

[B]

He's NFL ready again. This is another player that should hit the ground running. The only concern you have is the durability. He cleaned up the ball skills, caught the better ball better last year. I don't want to. The toughness thing. I guess some people don't love the toughness.

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We've gone over the catch, so people say I don't have the toughness. Well, for some. If you're playing for the Rams, you better be strong through contact. That mean throwing strong through the catch point, meaning you better catch that ball. Even defenders coming in, whatever it is, break a tackle and go for other systems. It's about separating, getting open right open. And that's a system here with Kellen Moore where it's about get open right. And so this is a perfect fit. You're not going to see him after the catch breaking a lot. In fact, on tape it a lot. I saw an oncoming defender. Let's catch it, let's get eight yards and let's go down. Protect myself. Had five injuries, it feels like, over the four years. Sidelines his best friend. Let's pick up 12 and get out of bounds. And guess what? The Saints are going to be just fine with that because we need you healthy and on the field. Because it's a real problem with our wide receivers. Tyler Schuck needs dudes to throw to, and he just got the most talented dude in this draft class to throw to. And. And if you're shocked, you've got to be thrilled with this pick.

[B]

Yeah. And you hope they're not done. To be honest with you, I still have more work to do there.

[A]

So the Cleveland Browns, who just traded back a few spots, I think they

[B]

have all the offensive tackles are still left. Like they trade back and they can pick whatever offensive tackle they want.

[A]

Andrew Barry, for all the talk about flying J's and the ownership and the analytics and all that. Andrew Berry. One of the great things that this man does is maneuver inside of the draft and move around. We saw him exploit last year, Travis Hunter. Yeah. Coming up at number two. They move back. They get additional picks. They got an additional pick in this draft from the Jaguars, which will come a little bit later in this draft. They thought it was going to be earlier. They didn't think the Jags were going to want to go in the playoffs, but they pick it 24 later and the pick is in. And here for the Cleveland Browns is Francis. Maui Noah. Right?

[B]

Yeah. You think that's who they're going to take?

[A]

Oh, I thought. I thought I just saw that. No. Oh, I just pre announced it. I pre announced it. I saw. I saw Maui Noah. How did you.

[B]

Obviously. Obviously something's a little fishy right now.

[A]

Shregs Is not Spencer Fano.

[B]

Spencer Fano.

[A]

Spencer Fano is the pick. Our first blunder on Netflix and live. First blunder on Netflix. But I saw the. This is good. It's good.

[B]

It's a good thing.

[A]

He's a better fit.

[B]

They.

[A]

Listen, the Cleveland Browns needed a left tackle.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And I want to get your assessment because you're my offensive line guy. I want to get your assessment on Spencer Fano. Is this going to be a situation where they move him back to freshman year where he started 12 games at left tackle, or are they going to maneuver in their offensive line? But first, I want to hear this from you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

The only thing anyone knows in the world who's not a lunatic like us and watches the Spencer Fano guy's a really great athlete, played at Utah, but he's got short arms. Talk to me about this.

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Well, if you've watched our show, you know that last year I gave Will Campbell a very hard time about her

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short arms and Elliot Wolf, the executive vice president of the New England Patriots. Three questions in the new interview. A lot of problems.

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I felt like three was early. Was it three or four? But it was early.

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Go.

[B]

So Fano's arms are a full half inch shorter than Campbell's are.

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Yeah.

[B]

And I'm not gonna lie, it shows up on tape.

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Take.

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Take a look at this clip right here. This is what can happen when he goes up against a talented edge rusher like David Bailey. And his technique isn't sound. If you look closely, you can see this. Feet get too close together and he loses his power base. Bailey's able to push him up field and redirect inside. Here's a play where Fano's lack of length shows up on tape. You can see clearly here that David Bailey is able to get into his pads with the superior length. And Fano's feet get a little too close together right here. Now, if you play it a little bit longer, you'll see Bailey's got him right there. Fan was too low with his hands. They're too far outside. He's in a position now where his feet are crossing over. He's not in a position where he can sink anchor and change directions. Bailey pushes him up field, works inside for the win. I mean, look, look. Obviously, David Bailey is a very talented pass rusher that went number two overall tonight. And all we heard about was how b. How Bailey just got after those Utah offensive tackles. But here's why that I think that Fano can get over, overcome the arm length. Why I Like him a little bit more than Will Campbell and why. Maybe the Bailey stuff was a little overrated. Take a look at this clip up here. You see him explode out of his pass rush. Meet Bailey at the top of his set. Bailey cannot get around the corner. When you watch for the tight copy, you're going to see why. Watch how he works his hands inside against the guy who's got longer arms. Fo gets his hands inside of Bailey and locks on his frame. There's nowhere for Bailey to go because Fan is now in complete control. So obviously, I think for the Browns, he's going to kick. And I. I've said this all along. Outside of the length, he does not have the length, the traditional length that you're looking for in a left tackle. But outside of the length, this guy's got the athletic profile of a left tackle. And he played there as a freshman. He'll move from right tackle where he played the last two years, over to left tackle. And as I'm watching this and it's not. We have. We have a trade.

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Well, hold on. We have a trade. The pick is in first. You, you, you.

[B]

I jumped ahead.

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You took 45 minutes on Fano and I'm glad.

[B]

I love.

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It was an awesome breakdown.

[B]

Do we see a trade here?

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I thought we saw no number 10. I just. I was. I was clairvoyant the Giants and this one was not. Is not a surprise. The giants at pick 10. Take Francis, Maui Noah, offensive tackle.

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Who?

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Offensive tackle from Miami. Big physical right tackle. And this guy is a difference maker. And honestly, I kind of love this pick. Not only from a value standpoint. We had him as the number one offensive tackle on our. Well, I did. You had Fano as your number one offensive tackle, but very close range. Yes, they. They belong where they're getting drafted. Much more importantly, I just love when watching Maui Noah on tape, this guy is a human being mover. But it's not as if you. I love that everyone sees his big frame, right? And they. They think like, oh, he's just a right tackle. Career right tackle at Miami, which is true. But that he's not a good athlete. I would disagree. At six, five and a half, 329 pounds, I think he moves pretty well.

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Man.

[A]

Now it's. There's a lot going on in this draft and these eight minutes with trades is awesome. I can only imagine sitting on that desk and having. My mind is spinning. It's great. But Maui Noah now with Arvell Reese. Arvell Reese gives you One of the most versatile defensive fronts in the league. Sons defensive tackles. Okay, they've got to get that fixed and pick 35, they can do that. Then they come back and they say, hey, yes, we need weapons for Jackson Dart, Malik Neighbors might not be 100% at the very start of the season, but we got Neighbors, we got some guys to work with and there's some wide receivers to get later in this draft, but at this 10th pick John Harbaugh is going to make. It's a Harbaugh team now. He's going to make damn sure we are a physical punch you in the mouth group. And now I've got Andrew Thomas at left tackle, John Runyon at left guard, John Michael Schmitz at center. I've got Francis, Maui Noah either at starting right tackle or right guard, however it plays out. And I've got the guy I just re signed in, Jermaine Illuminor at right tackle or right guard. And that is a front to be messed with. Yeah, I got Cam Scatterboo coming back from injury and I got Tyrone Tracy and I've got Jackson Dart and I'll get Malik Neighbors and I get Darius Slayton and Darnell Mooney I just brought in. We need weapons. We're not there yet. And I think they could use another running back, to be quite honest, because I don't trust that Scatterboo, as great as he is when healthy, can stay healthy with that run style in this league. But you just got a guy that's going to move some things up front. And this, this offensive line really, in my opinion, it needed, it needed to be finally. I swear to you, since we started this job, it feels like we've been talking about the jets and the Giants needing to finally finish off their offensive lines. And I feel like the Giants might have done it in this, this era.

[B]

I don't disagree and I love the value here. I mean, Maui Noah may have fallen a little bit because there were reports of a, of a back issue where he might have to get some surgery to clean it up. But it doesn't look like it's going to be a long term serious issue

[A]

and we should say. And I wanted to give Maui Noah the respect that he deserves in the Giants pick 10. But interestingly enough, staying in this division, right. The Cowboys trade up just one spot, which tells you, well, they're picking at 12. And I don't think Miami was going to take the player they want necessarily, but they could have. And let's throw up if we have the best available board, Tucker, when you have a chance. The Cowboys, we have heard a lot about them wanting, not wanting to be on the outside looking in and those people that were going to be considered on the inside as they were sitting on the outside in terms of what they wanted from my intel was Arvell Reese was one of them. If they were able to trade way up, which didn't occur and I didn't expect it to occur, the next trade up possibility would have been at six. That didn't happen. We saw a trade six to nine. That was the Chiefs moving up to get their guy. And then now we see at 11, obviously the Cowboys, the Giants aren't trading with the, with the Cowboys, right. So this is the next time that they could, they can move up and they do it at 11 to make sure no one behind them moved up. And what we've got available as I'm looking at the board with Jeremiah Love and Arvl Reese who he said is perfect fit, Sonny Styles was the next guy on that list in terms of what they wanted with that defense. Right. I've talked a lot about the Christian Parker, right. The new defensive court, the defensive coordinator. He needs parts that fit his scheme and his scheme relies on one portion of it is he needs athleticism and difference makers at that. Think by the way came from the Eagles. Okay. Nicole be Dean. They drafted where they drafted him. They just last year drafted the Alabama linebacker Jihad Campbell. They have an emphasis on front seven guys to begin with but that linebacker position is important. So that same mindset, this is where he comes with Fangio from. Fangio, he's like 34, 37 years old. He's a pup, but he knows defense. He's like one of the young defensive genius like the minds, right. And he needs a guy who's going to be that like the difference maker in, in the middle of the field and can cover and can run and chase just like. And also what was important when you, when you look back at Philly, that safety position, right? Yep. That safety position was hugely important and they're worried to death that best available that Miami team's dangerous. But more importantly, there's some teams behind that could come up and get it. Caleb Downs, if that's the pick, it also could be Ruben Bane. And look at the edge rushers that Howie Roseman drafted for Vic Fangio and the quarterback coordinator before him like so they are coming.

[B]

Remember what one one scout told us about Reuben Bane at the Senior Bowl? Tell me he's Brandon Graham. Oh.

[A]

Remember that, that's a brilliant, brilliant recall.

[B]

He's Brandon Graham. That's what you, you could, you, you may not get an elite guy, but you are going to get a Brandon Graham and is. I mean, that's pretty damn good.

[A]

And from next gen stats from 2021-24 with Micah Parsons, the Cowboys had the best pass rush win rate in the NFL, beating 49% of their pass blocks within two and a half seconds. Okay. They traded Parsons to the packers in August. Their pass rush win rate this past season fell to 40% down to ninth. I mean, that's one player, right? So that, that to me is a huge part of it. But also that safety position for the, for the Philadelphia Eagles is critical. So are we getting our Mason Graham or are we getting the. Honestly, what we all agree is one of the five best football players in this draft. And you look at this, this Dallas Cowboys defense. We talked on the phone two nights ago before I did the mock draft and I said, what do they need? They need safety and they need another edge. Right. Because we're looking at Rashawn Gary they brought in and Otito Obania, but they don't really have the guy as a pass rusher. But they also have Jalen Thompson who just. And Malik Hooker who's just. Man.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Safety. They need a difference maker.

[B]

And how do they use them? How are they going to use Caleb Downs?

[A]

And Caleb Downs is the pick for the Dallas Cowboys. They weren't, they weren't risky. I said they're, they haven't traded up going back to 2014, the first three rounds. And we just, I didn't believe that they were going to make a big move. But watch out for the little one so they're not without a chair when the music ends. Yeah, they made the little one to make sure that nobody else came up and got their guy. And by doing so they get the player that we believe on our board was the number five overall prospect in the entire draft despite not having eman worry length or combine numbers despite not running a 40 ever.

[B]

Yeah. You worried about that?

[A]

I'm absolutely not for half of a second worried about that because I think this is one of the smartest football players I've ever watched on tape. I watched last year match and I know you did too. Eight guys get drafted from the Ohio State's defense and he was two steps ahead on, on, on many if not like majority of, of play actions, misdirection. He was always two steps ahead of these guys. It felt like, yeah. And then this year we got all these players we're talking about from Arville Reese to Sonny Styles and who's who again?

[B]

Who's the alpha?

[A]

Who is the alpha dog? This guy is the alpha. And you know what he does? Do you know what this defense was missing? This defense was the communication breakdowns and the running back safety production was gross. It was gross a year ago. It's part of the reason why they brought in a corporate coordinator and Christian Parker who won't put up with this. And now they bring in an extension of Parker on the field and Caleb Downs, who I promise you, I look at all these veterans, I see how

[B]

Parker's going to have a plan for him.

[A]

You got as a rookie, he was a rookie last year. You get Shamar James, 25 pick Demarian over Sean. You get Quinn and Williams, an old dog up front. I promise you. Rashawn Gary, seen some more. You looked like he was 35 when he's still at Michigan Downs is going to be the leader, if for nothing else. The secondary year one and very, very, very soon. The leader of this defense we're talking

[B]

about in downs, a player who's the first. Think about the players that went to Alabama. He's the first true freshman to lead that, that program in tackles. I mean, he was unbelievable at Alabama and then just a monster get when he transferred to Ohio State. Unbelievable player. And if he's so damn slow, how can he return a punt for a touchdown?

[A]

I just, I.

[B]

He's just. And I know this is cheesy and it's cliche, and I understand that, and, and on some level feels a little lazy, but he's just a freaking good football player. I mean, it's hard, hard to say anything else about him. He's going to do all of the right things. He's going to get your teammates, he's gonna get his teammates lined up, he's gonna set a certain bar of accountability. That guy's gonna have to play to. They're gonna have to play to a certain standard. And that to get that in a rookie is really difficult, difficult to do. But this is one of those players that has the, the intangible profile to actually be able to do it.

[A]

And he played 2,489 snaps. If there's ever a guy who comes out as an underclassman that's more ready in. In two different towns, Tuscaloosa and Columbus, and with three different coordinators, starting with Nick Saban as, as the head man there, and then the past two years, two different coordinators, finishing with Matt Patricia, who's one of the great NFL defensive minds who was in college last year. So I think they're going to play

[B]

him in the nickel a lot. I think they're playing close to line scrimmage. I think he's going to be, I

[A]

think he's an absolute enforcer. I think this is the guy that's going to be the face of that defense. And now all of a sudden the Cowboys, the Cowboys trade up to 11 to take the pick from the Dolphins off their hands and given additional compensation. They flip flop and the Dolphins pick Kaden Proctor. Okay, okay, we told you. John Eric Sullivan, new GM with Jeff Halfley who's like, I'm thrilled for Jeff Halfley and that he leaving Boston College to defensive coordinator Green Bay to the head job which he has been destined for. I promise you. It's been about a decade that I've been talking to people in the league and in college football like this guy's going to be a head coach somewhere in the league at one point and he got there through a couple, couple, few stops and they recognized John Eric Sullivan. Most importantly in this, in this scenario, we have got a whole bunch of picks. And I don't know, I shared this earlier, I don't know if the, if I've ever entered a draft looking at a roster outside of expansion. Our first year doing it, that needed more than this Miami Dolphins team. And it's by design, by the way. It's by design. They got, you know, they got rid of a lot of really good players. Obviously they wind up, you know, two is out of town. Tyrique's gone. Jalen Waddle's gone. Minka Fitzpatrick, gone. Bradley Chubb, gone. The list goes on. Jack Jones, Rasul Douglas, Ashton Davis, Darren Waller, Cole Strange gone. Let's start over my Miami. Miami has 11 picks in this draft and they just got an additional one. I believe we'll work out all the trade compensation in a little bit. This is the first pick of the John Eric Sullivan regime. And they take Kaden Proctor, who is a guy, I mean watch him. He, they handed him the ball. They threw him a screen at one ball point. He had that big long touchdown against. It felt like a long touchdown catch. And that screen that they threw out to the left sideline against Georgia, but It was like 1112 yards. He's 390 pounds, Steve in season and he gets down to the 350s. He weighed into the combine at 352, I believe was the number when this guy is right. And he's svelte, which he looks like right now in his suit. By his standards he is, he's an awesome talent, but his tape isn't exceptional.

[B]

Yeah, I mean his tape is not exceptional. I don't mind the pick here because you are betting on the trades and I get that the tape is, is real up and down. Not only I, I've, I've, I've been pretty critical of the pass pro and is he has a tendency to get his feet too close. He's a little bit of a heel clicker and what I mean by that is the feet come too close together. He can overextend, he can overset, he gets beat to the inside. That's, that's really what happens a lot when you're doing those kinds of things. So there's pass pro issues, but he also overextends in the run game. And I just want to see a player, maybe I'm being hard on him. Like, you know, when it's a player that has that much talent, you're a little harder on them because God, he should be so dominant.

[A]

Okay, I'm going to show you off, I'm going to cut you off and, and we will get back to them. They've got a bunch of picks throughout the Rams. I've been talking about a lot. I put my, my, my onions on the table the, the chopping block and I have told you that I, dating back to November, I got information that the Rams like Ty Simpson, I told you wouldn't rule out that they were going to move up and go get, go get Jeremiah Love, the running back from Notre Dame. I wouldn't be shocked by that. It's kind of this all or nothing 20, 27 movement that they've made. They brought in the two corners from Kansas City less sneed though. I told you recent information I've got and we started putting some, some football sense to it is they're doing a lot of work late on these wide receivers in the second round. Everyone in the world in this industry including myself for a long time had, oh, it's the third wide receiver just as stated. It's going to be Carnell Tate, it's going to be Jordan Tyson and then it's going to be Makai Lemon putting it, putting him at 13 to the Rams is a perfect fit. And by the way, he's a great scheme fit, run after catch, physicality, toughness. I told you all week long for the last, I don't know, 10 days it's going to be anybody but a wide receiver at pick 13. They're doing work on the second round guys. Jeremy Bernard, Desean Stribling are the two names to remember for Friday night.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I said if it's not move up for Jeremiah Love, I think there's a legitimate chance they take Ty Simpson. Well, now we'll find out. We'll find out because I know everything's about this year, this upcoming year, 2026. Yeah, nothing's about. It's Matthew Stafford's coming back. We're working on a two year deal. We're going to keep them happy. We will get that taken care of. But I've known Les for a long time. I have purposely not, I'll just be honest, transparent. I've purposely not called Les because I didn't want to put him into in a spot where, you know, I've gone solely off of information I had from the fall where I know that there were conversations and his appreciation of Ty Simpson and I know how great of a scheme fit Ty Simpson is. And I'm just a lot. I'm not Orlovsky high on Ty Simpson where I think he's better than Mendoza, but through nine games my tape analysis was it was very clear Ty Simpson's the best quarterback and above Mendoza in college football right now as it pertains to the NFL draft. So here we are with everything being about 2026, sorry, 2026 for the Rams and Ty Simpson is sitting there in the green room in Pittsburgh, surprised a lot of people that he was going to go. Yes, I have not wavered. I've had Mach 5.0, 5.1 flash Mach today. I won't move off of it here and I'm about to look like a jerk if it's not the pick and that's fine. But this is an opportunity to set up your organization if you're less need for beyond Matthew Stafford. And by the way, quarterbacks get injured and how great would it be to have a good backup? Although you're going to make a Super bowl run and win the super bowl with a rookie quarterback, history says no Dan Marino made it there if something were to happen. I'm just saying through the lens of Les Sneed in this organization, they have a history of being like F them picks. We're all in on this. But if you're in love with this guy at quarterback, how do you balance all that?

[B]

Well, McVay and Snead aren't going anywhere. This is the Simpsons. The pick like they better not be going anywhere because if you take Ty Simpson here.

[A]

But I was told by people that this could be the last year for.

[B]

That's what I mean, man. Like you better, Sean McVeigh better not be leaving the building. If you just took a quarterback that you need to develop who has 15 starts. This says to me that those two are in it for the long.

[A]

If, if they take Ty Simpson. Yes, if they do take Ty Simpson. Yeah.

[B]

That's the only thing that makes sense to me is that they, they actually are pushing for it. That they think that Ty Simpson could be a great quarterback and they're. And they're excited about that and they

[A]

believe they can get. And they believe they can get their. Their wide receiver in the second round, which I agree with that Dejan Stribling from Ole Miss, Jeremy Bernard. So who else is on the. I mean, let's look at the board right now. Caleb Downs just came off the board. Right. So. And the offensive tackles. Offensive tackle was a position we were talking about, right? We were talking. We were talking about that they could

[B]

take a right tackle. I don't think they need to. I don't think they will.

[A]

They in three offensive tackles just came off the board and Spencer foul. And Francis, Maui Noah and Kaden Proctor. We told you this tackle runs going to happen fast. And I bet you behind the Rams at 13, there's going to be start to be some movement, right? We'll get Baltimore 14, Buccaneers 15, Jets 16 as teams that could trade and the Lions could be one of those teams trying to trade up because everyone knows they have a target on the back for the offensive tackle position. Okay, so it comes down to this. Are they trying to get better the Rams for this year or are they trying to get the quarterback of their future? Because they see in him what I've seen in him. Orlovsky saw on him. Chase Daniel saw on him some other people who have done this because everyone in the league either we don't need it or 15 starts or he's too small, he got injured, all those things. But there have. I've been telling you there's. There's a team or two that's been quiet and I've heard recently the Vikings keep an eye on. Yeah, I'm nervous.

[B]

You are never nervous. This is great. Wow. Congratulations, man. Like you. You called it.

[A]

I'm pumped for him, man. Good for him.

[B]

This is the best spot he could have gone.

[A]

You talk about betting on yourself if you're Ty Simpson. Take a look at Ty Simpson here I just, I loved his tape. The suddenness, the urgency. You won't see the pre snap stuff here that he does at an NFL level already. The ability to throw and to extend and create. It's not just the on schedule, on platform stuff, it's moving off of it. Watch the quick trigger in the release, the accuracy, the touch and the tempo he has throwing the football. Ty Simpson, I told you, I told you mensch when watching his tape. And I was a little bit insufferable about Ty Simpson. I admit when I'm, when I'm too much sometimes. I admitted that there were some negatives and we'll get to it in a second. But what I saw in Ty Simpson was a young man, and he's a young man only by football experience. Starting 15 starts, I couldn't believe six games in, I'm watching his tape and in my notes I kept on writing six starts. Question like how, how am I watching this? Then I come to find out his dad is a 20 year head coach at UT Martin, so he's had ball in his blood. Not dissimilar from Garrett Nussmeier, who we talked about earlier, the offensive coordinator with the New Orleans Saints. And Garrett will hear his name called hopefully tomorrow. Ty Simpson, pre snap. Let me just walk you through it, right, pre snap you got a motion and he with, with Ryan Grubb, the offensive coordinator who was in Seattle as an NFL offensive coordinator. They're doing NFL things. It's IDing, man, man, zone. That's not like the highest complexity, but what they're doing off of that and then it's like the fast motions and he's getting up to the line. He's understanding where his protection's going, he's understanding what his read is. And he's understanding not just man, but what the, what the shift did to the defense. And then what his read is after ball snap. It's, I'm telling you what Les Snead saw as an extension of Sean McVay. Most importantly in this equation is a guy who's actually capable. And this is remarkable, folks. Fifteen starts in college, who's actually capable of coming in and being our backup to Matthew Stafford as we try to go make a run at the Super Bowl. And this is the same Sean McVay. I want to remind everyone that said, I don't want to be a mentor. I want a relationship in the quarterback, quarterback room. That's a partnership. So Jerry Goff, who is the number one overall pick, I believe. Number one, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They trade him away to Detroit for Matthew Stafford and they go on and win a Super Bowl. And Jared Goff's had some great success in Detroit, but he sees in Ty Simpson something that's even different than Jared Goff. And you say, well, he's shorter, he doesn't maybe doesn't have as big an arm. Although I'd argue that he's. He does. He sees a young man who can throw with anticipation, who has all the answers and in his offense can actually decipher things on the level of an NFL veteran. I don't know that I've ever seen it before where a quarterback six games into a college season is. I haven't seen this advanced understanding of pre snap, post snap and all the scheduling that goes into it after six games is running this thing the way I saw Joe Burrow after a couple years in Columbus and then down in Baton Rouge, finally get it to that point in 2019 when they went on that undefeated run. He was doing it at that level. However, what happens is. And you say, well, why wasn't, why weren't we talking? I thought of Dante Moore versus him. We would have been. If it was nine games in the season, then that was it. And if we didn't have history that said fewer than 20 starts and a full first round pick, it's almost always a bust and it's ugly. But then you look at some of the other things on the field like, well, why did his play tail off? Well, it's play tailed off because a few things. One is they had, they ran, they were 125th. Bear Bryant would be, would be throwing up in his grave if he learned that Alabama was 125th in the FBS in rushing. So all of it was on him at quarterback position in the passing game. Then you get to the fact that Brent Venables comes to town in late October. I think it was early November, right about the time they started to decline and he started to do things with their pass protection that was already kind of up and down. That created a blueprint for this is how you get to Ty and Ty's mobile. Don't get it twisted. Ty's twitchy and mobile and he can take off and run and do some things. He's not elite level, he's not level Lamar, he's not Josh Allen, but he can move around. But not with that kind of pass rush. You know, the Swiss cheese it turned into. And then you got the fact that the wide receiver Ryan Williams, who was 1A and 1B with Jeremiah Smith coming in recruiting and had an awesome freshman year, fell off the face of the earth. He was not to be found. You get to then £190 because Gastrate is. Because your body is taking all this beaten in the Rose Bowl. You add those things up and it's like, yeah, I get why it happened. But now the Rams have identified a quarterback in Ty Simpson that a few of us were like, wait, why hello. This guy here, 15, he's awesome. He was better than Mendoza for two months of the season. Why is no one talking about 15? And we were laughed and we were ridiculed to the point where Orlovsky and I are now texting each other. It's like a self help group that we're in and it's good to see that Sean McVay, who's one of the best in the business and less sneed one of the best in the business, saw the same thing in Ty. And it's why Ty decided to leave early. And it's why Ty was here tonight. Because he knew that there was at least a small group out there that had the same belief in him that he has in himself. And I think this is the perfect. I said to you when he came out, I said, I wish he came back for another year. 15 starts never works and I'm scared for him. But my gosh, if he could just land with McVay and the Rams, this would be the perfect spot for him to have great success in the NFL. And I think he now becomes the heir apparent to Matthew Stafford and is on track for just that.

[B]

Yeah, let's stay positive. I think there were some, some real questions about the pick, but he's a. All of that aside, everything you just said is true. Best landing spot for him. It's got a chance to really unlock all of his ability. He is a pro ready quarterback. He did a lot of awesome things for nine games. Let's. Let's leave it there. Sean McVeigh better not be leaving the building when you make that pick. You better have some kind of confidence because no one in the league is better than developing a quarterback than he is. I'm pumped or getting the most out of it.

[A]

I love it. It's pretty cool. Yeah.

[B]

And congrats to Ty Simpson.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Betting on yourself. Congrats to him.

[A]

Yeah. And. And you know what?

[B]

I. I gotta say this though.

[A]

What?

[B]

You're the snaps guy. You're my snaps guy. I know you gotta have so many snaps and he just doesn't have the snaps.

[A]

Every once in a while you see something special in someone and you're willing to, to take a chance.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

And I, I see something special in Ty Simpson that very few people did. And it ate at me throughout this draft process.

[B]

Listen, far be it from me, I mean, one thing to question you, and I wouldn't do that. I would disagree with you, but I wouldn't question you. But like, Sean McVeigh knows what he's doing. Les need knows what he's doing and they obviously see something.

[A]

Yeah. And the thing that he needs too now is time to learn behind a pro. Even though he's so developed for his stage at 15 stars, now he's got an opportunity, Ty Simpson, to learn behind one of the great all time pros, a Hall of Famer, and to watch this process and how it works so that unlike Jared Goff coming in right away and having to be like, yeah, Sean, I got it. McVeigh. Yeah, Mr. McVeigh. Okay, explain that again. He can kind of sit back a little bit and learn how this, how this relationship works, this back and forth in this, you know, and I think that's going to be really important for him.

[B]

I think it's also worth mentioning just because of the pick does this. What's the dynamic here with the front office, the head coach in the reigning MVP and how he felt about this pick. And maybe he's good with it. Maybe Matthew Stafford's like, man, you guys

[A]

already built me a great roster, you know? You know what? You know what?

[B]

The dynamic there is, is interesting to me and I'd like to be.

[A]

Nobody talked about it this week and I didn't even bring it up to you because honestly, I was doing this knocking on wood. I had a sense when I saw the report from whomever it was Breer or Schefter or Schrager, I got a sense that all of a sudden there's this report that the talks are really going well. There's going to be. Matthew's happy with the way things are going. I was like, they're letting him know that that could be a problem if, if they're going to pull the trigger on Ty. They're letting him know and they're making sure.

[B]

I'm sure. They let him know.

[A]

No, I know they let him know, but they're not only letting him know with words, hey, we might take Ty Simpson if He's available at 13. They're letting him know by putting more into his pocket that's already full with the same Thing. And that's a lot of money he's made over his NFL career. I'm saying the security of. And we're going to take care of you. Not that he needs more money, but I mean, we all. We don't work for free. Right. So I got that sense that they're in communication. Yeah. I wouldn't even call. I wouldn't even like, text because I just didn't. I didn't want to. I don't want to know. I didn't want. And I know I wouldn't have found out. I'm saying I didn't even want to. Like it was. I just. Like, this isn't.

[B]

By the way, this is starting to sound like you're overselling it that you didn't call them and like that you had this pick. I could tell you.

[A]

Oh, no, no.

[B]

I swear I could tell you. I know. I'm just sharing this.

[A]

I.

[B]

He did not. This is not. This is not some kind of like, misdirection here. This is. This is the truth. He did not talk to us.

[A]

No, I told the la. The last. Yeah, it's been. Yeah, I'll leave it at that. I don't want to say anything more than that. I. On, Yes. I promise you, I did not speak and I purposely did not reach check in. Hey, you know, I purposely didn't because I had a feeling that this could happen. And then I was pumped to see it. Now I'm pumped to see it for Ty Simpson, first and foremost, because I just think. I think this guy is. You got to understand. Ty Simpson spent four years in Tuscaloosa. He was going. And that was the big thing. Well, great. He's going up against Nick Saban defenses. Like how great. How, how prepared is he for the NFL? Just, he wasn't a starter, you know, and he didn't SEO. He didn't beat out Jalen Milroe. Are you kidding? Well, Jalen Milroe was the second round pick. Jalen Milro is not a good passer, but he was a phenomenal athlete and he was drafted in the second round by a pretty smart guy out in Seattle who just won a Super Bowl. Like John Schneider knows what he's doing and he's got a plan how he's going to utilize it. And it didn't come to fruition fully as a rookie, but there's developmental qualities there that's intriguing. And so for Alabama, that made sense at the time and he gutted it out and he waited for his turn. And when he got his turn. He was awesome for nine weeks and then he had some moments thereafter, but he wasn't fully healthy. Feel like you're baiting me for what?

[B]

I mean, sounds a lot like Mac Jones. Just saying. And I like, I like Ty Simpson's tape a lot. A lot more than Mac Jones. A lot more than Mac Jones.

[A]

Don't I get a minute in the sun?

[B]

I was trying to do it.

[A]

I mean, I'm literally the only human being on the face of the earth who put who you are. You're a little bit of a mock Runway. I, I don't even know. I don't care. All I'm saying is the only person in the world I even chest checked like Africa and East Asia and like, and, and in Europe, parts of Europe. No one in the world had Ty Simpson 13 to the LA Rams.

[B]

You know better. You know that I was like.

[A]

And now you're talking to me about Mac Jones. Can you just give me a half hour in the sun?

[B]

I tried.

[A]

I tried the picks in for the Buccaneers.

[B]

We missed the Ravens. We didn't talk about the Ravens.

[A]

Oh, we didn't even talk about the Ravens. That's fine. Reuben Bane is the pick and I love this pick for the Bucks. We'll get back to the Ravens in a second. Sorry, Baltimore fans. You get Kuiper. You can tell Baltimore watch Bane coming off the edge. Yes, he's got the short arms. We'll get into in a minute. My gosh, this guy was an absolute terror. He was the most dominant defensive player in all of college football this, this past year. His toughness, his power, his ability to swipe, to rip, to club like it's remarkable. And in the College Football Playoff, he took it up even another level. I remember watching that Notre Dame tape this year and calling you or we were on the show, whatever it was communicating with you, Steve, and saying, this guy is different this year. Because we saw last year when he had healthy. Yeah, he had the injury and his freshman year showed a lot of flashes. But he came back a man possessed this year. And yes, he's shorter than the ideal and he's got those short arms and no one with his arm length just like Ty Simpson. We got a couple guys that might have to just go prove everyone wrong. From Simpsons 15 starts to the sub 31 inch arms for Ruben Bane. Bane is the first guy in 20 years as an edge rusher with sub 31 inch arm length from here to there to get drafted in the first round. And he'll have to go on to be the first in 20 plus years to get double digit sacks as an edge rusher in the NFL with from there to there sub 31 inches. Watch that tape and tell me with his get off and his power and his advanced use of his upper body and with the bend that he has for his powerful frame and his finishing nastiness and viciousness, you're telling me this guy isn't going to succeed in the NFL. And now he lands in a spot with Tampa Bay where they need desperately edge rushers.

[B]

It's one thing to have that kind of motor, the kind of motor he has when you're at Tennessee and you're playing 25 snaps a game and I'm over exaggerating obviously this guy plays a ton of snaps and it the consistency that alone is a feat. To play at that level for that many snaps for that long of a college football season because remember Miami went to the national championship is one of the best things about his game. The power, the tenacity, the violence, all of that's great. But the way this kid plays snap in, snap out is just so impressive to me. And for Tampa you're sitting there. Most mocks had a key Messador, Reuben Bain Jr's running mate at Miami going there and Akeem messenger is going to be a very good NFL player. But wow Tampa Reuben Bain Jr. Falls to you. You feel a massive need. You get a great value.

[A]

Everyone had what a night everyone had mocked it was going to be and I did 2 and 4. I think I did a trade in the last one. It doesn't matter now but that it was meced or the other one right. And there were some people in the league. I promise you there were some people in the league I talked to even this past week who are like Mesadore is the better pass rusher. Like we we would take Messador and that's cool too. Master is an awesome player and we'll get to him in a little bit when he gets drafted. But but the thing with this is I don't think there was a I want to remind you what I said early in this in this show and we talked about in the pre draft show here on Netflix and appreciate everyone who's watching.

[B]

Yes thank you.

[A]

And we will get this thing is moving so fast. We'll get to the chat but we appreciate everyone who's on the chat. Tell them it's discourse. Discord, Discord. Oh man, we suck as hosts but we're having a discord. Discord. Thank you for everyone being on there. We're gonna, we'll jump in in a little bit. I'm sure, I'm sure ATB and everyone's got got it going Haas and the gang. But I said early on this is the range where teams are getting calls and the jets were getting calls about pick 16 and it looks like their pick is in. They haven't traded and the Bucks were getting picks. I'm talking like incessantly picks about teams trying to trade up for offensive tackle. But I don't think that there was a chance in hell in their minds that Ruben Bain was going to fall 15. So that's a huge get for the Tampa Bay Bucs. I know my son Tate's watching. He's a huge Bucks fan and I'm sure he's thrilled with that. But the other part is Venga Yoane, who you and I both thought, man, he's the best offensive lineman in this entire draft. He goes 14 in a non surprising move to the Baltimore Ravens. We don't have to spend a ton of time on it because we talked about it the entire draft process. They got rid. They didn't get get rid of. They had to allow for financial purposes their, their center to, to go. He winds up with the Raiders and Tyler Lindenbaum, who we absolutely love coming out of the draft. And he wound up being great with the Ravens. And so now they bring in Yoani to help bolster that interior offensive line. But another pick is in and this is pick 16 with the new York Jets. And this is. I. It makes a lot of sense to me. It's Kenyon Siddiq to the New York jets, the only first round tight end in this class mentioned. Tell them what you got on on Sadiq. For starters.

[B]

I just. There are people that didn't love Sadiq and thought there were some drops and some issues and, and if you look at the, the stats, I think he had something like nine or 11 drops this year. But when you dig into the tape, it's not as big of an issue as you think. I mean, this is a guy that makes some really tough athletic catches, maybe some focus issues that he's got to clean up more than anything. Speed. I mean, this guy was blazing fast at the combine. You can use them out of the slot. You can, you can attach him out of inline and let him run routes that way. He's an absolute, what they call matchup nightmare for defenses can move around the formation which allows you to create favorable matchups. And one of the things I really like about him is he's not an overly big dude but the way he's built both mentally and physically he could block man. I mean he's a tough, tough dude who will he's not afraid to stick his face in the fan as a blocker. He will get overpowered at times but the effort in in the I actually think the technique is pretty good too. Are both there for him to be an effective move blocker and a competitive inline blocker. I love everything about this player. I think this is a really good spot for him. I thought he was in the same category as Colson Loveland who went to the Bears last year and Tyler Warren who went to the Colts and both had fantastic rookie seasons. And if you're a Jets fan you're thinking like you the thought process might be here might be wide receiver but you start to look at now as a pass catcher and you're getting an absolute weapon in Kenyan Sadiq who's going to be a real he's going to be a great security blanket I think for Geno Smith and then when you bring in your quarterback next year what a weapon you're going to have built in for him.

[A]

So we're 16 picks into this draft right. And honestly everyone off the board is who we basically thought could come off the board in terms of like the draft right now. Still available for us is 14 Makai Lemon wide receiver USC 15 on according to our board Dylan Thiemen, the safety from Oregon Akeem Messador, the other Miami edge rusher still on the board. He's our 17th overall player. Then you get down to kind of that next tier man the Keldrick Fox and the and the Denzel Bostons and couple of those second tier offensive tackles like the Blake Millers and the in the in the Monroe Freeling. I honestly feel like we could take a little bit of a breath for the first time in oh my gosh. It started two hours. No an hour and 46 minutes ago.

[B]

Everyone's got a plan man.

[A]

Oh until you get punched in the mouth. This is like the best beating I've ever gotten though. This has been awesome. Not as many trades as kind of thought early on, right. We had the with the flip. We had nine up to six with the Kansas City Chiefs flip flop kind of not flip flopping but like moving up just just slightly with Cleveland. Cleveland wanted to move back as we we expected to get an offensive tackle at a better value. Then you had the the flip flop at 11 and 12 with Miami and Dallas. Miami gets the the player they would have gotten anyway and they get an additional pick. We'll look into the details of that in a little bit. But they also, they also, with Dallas, they wanted to make sure no team behind them. Maybe. I don't know. I don't know who they were worried about, to be honest, but they were, I'm sure Minnesota at 18. Teams were starting to sneak around the chicken coop. Was What, Dallas at 20? Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying Dallas was there. 18 was. Oh, sorry. Carolina at 19. Those are the safety teams that we thought so. And as you look at our board there, 14, 15, 17 are available and we're all. We're pick 17. So there's only two players on our board that are. Are not off the board that we have rated higher than the pick that is currently up with the Detroit Lions. I said this in all my conversations. The most consistent thing I heard from GMs, from GMs, to executives or directors to. To scouts who are on the road, man, the Detroit Lions are really wearing out these offensive tackles. So let's look at this tackle board. They must really. Here's what I. I have thought all along. It would be Kaden Proctor or Blake Miller.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Proctor's gone. Dan Campbell grit. You've got Blake Miller, whose tape is. Is really good. It's not exceptional. He's just steady. 54 consecutive starts. Set a career start record. Consecutive records for Clemson football. Right. They've had a couple good players over the years. His testing was outstanding. He's got the long arms like some of these other guys don't. Maybe some position flex. I think he's a right tackle, but Detroit has position flex. Now on the flip side, as I knock my mic over, Tucker's gonna beat me when this show's over. Discord is where the chat is. You can get in on that. I know a lot of your people are fans of Tucker, and this is an opportunity to beat me up some more and decide with Tucker. On the flip side, you got Monroe Freeling, who is arguably the most physically gifted. But only 18 starts at Georgia, and so we're about to find out. But this is a huge pick for the Detroit Lions. This is a huge pick.

[B]

I hope it's Blake Miller. I think he fits everything they want to do. The only, the only downside of Kaden Proctor. Proctor might have been a better pick because that lets you leave Penn a right tackle. But I mean, Penny se could play left tackle. He's just fine.

[A]

The Lions. Here's the thing that's important. The Lions pass block win rate was second worst in the NFL last year. Do you know that of the starting quarter I'm going to bring up Mac Jones only Mac Jones was worse in this department. Pressure versus non Mac Jones draft pressure versus non pressure QBR last year. So if any of the legitimate starting quarterbacks in the league, the, the, the guys who are in year in, year out starters that are higher to elite level, the guy who is affected most by pressure with his QBR in the league in terms of pressure is Jared Goff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so we've got to bring in a guy that's going to help stabilize this offensive line and there he is. I love this pick.

[B]

It's such a good fit.

[A]

Lake Miller, offensive tackle from Clemson because Freeling was enticing. He was that. He was that like candy in the corner. Yeah, he was like the, you know, I'm not, I stay out of trouble with analogies this on Netflix this weekend. He was an enticing tackle because of the traits. But Blake Miller, it's not like you're getting bad traits here, man. Blake Miller to me like when you look at him, I didn't see quite the athlete. No, he's, he's not on tape and I'll let you get to the tape because you, you kind of contradicted me on Blake Miller. Blake Miller was my guy from early on and I love his toughness, I love his physicality. I, I give a shout to Kevin Kelly who's honestly throughout my years at the Senior bowl and meet and meeting people has always been there and talking to me about all prospects. He was with the Chargers and rose up to one of the highest ranking positions underneath the general manager, director of personnel. And he always would find me and off not find me. He would always come to me like hey watch that offensive lineman from like Central Michigan. And he turned out to be. Or it would be one year it would be Cole Strange. The next year it would be one of the Central Michigan guys. The next year it would be Cody Mogg. You know, like he always had an eye for it. He was adamant. He's like Todd, I'm telling you. And this is after I already had liked him. But he's like I'm telling you this guy every day. He is the leader of this entire football team. The character is like off the charts is a cliche. The character is different than I've ever been around. He is a guy who's going to be consistent and we talk to so many people in the league about how important that Offensive line room is right. Plus, he's six. Six and three quarters, folks. He's one of the only guys at the combine at the first round. Offensive tackles with plus, you know, 34 plus arm length in inches. He had a 32 vertical, 32 reps with those long arms on the bench, which is awesome. The 504. Oh, my gosh. We've got a surprise. Caleb Banks. Caleb Banks is the pick, it looks like, for the Vikings. We will confirm that in a second. Holy smokes. It's confirmed. All right, give me 20 seconds. For Lions fans, 20 seconds on Blake Miller.

[B]

Love the fit. He's an absolute glass eater. He's a. He's a bully. I thought he needed to clean some things up in pass protection, and he. The way he tested at the combine makes me think that he can do that. When you see the length, you see the way he moved there, I am having a hard time focusing for everybody else.

[A]

The Ty Simpson pick was the shock. This is for us. This is the shock. Caleb Banks, we saw him at the Senior Bowl. He was back in form when he wanted to be. This guy is. I promise you. I watched him in 2024 tape. I'm like. Like, he's got a chance to be top 10 if he can get his pad level down, get more consistent. Then he comes back this year and has the foot injury. He only plays like a handful of snaps early in the season. Sits it out. Then there's all these stories about he could have come back. He decides not to come back. He then comes back to play a little bit towards the end of the year, only because years, people in his circle, like, your draft stock's falling. So he does that, and he's kind of waffling there. He gets this Senior Bowl. He's awesome one day because he kind of got pissed off at some things that happened.

[B]

Terrible.

[A]

And he was. He is the worst mouth of any human being I've ever been around. But, like, what does that matter? It doesn't matter.

[B]

It does not matter.

[A]

But he's one of those guys, man, when it. When he's going and something has lit a fire under him, he's going to be one of the top 15 most talented interior defensive linemen in maybe in the league. I'm not joking. Okay? But then on top of the up and down and the injury, then at the combine, he starts out, has an awesome start to the combine, runs what he runs like a 502 or whatever it was. But we find out after the fact, we thought the reports were Something was going on with his cleat and he decided to stop after his first 40. The initial reaction was like, yeah, of course he did. He's worked out really well. And that's Caleb. Like he's going to, you know, he's

[B]

going to 504, 327 pounds.

[A]

A 504 at 327 pounds is absolutely insane. And the rest of his work were like, there were jumps, right?

[B]

Like 30, 32 inch vertical.

[A]

32 inch vertical was like best is best or second best in class for the interior defensive lineman. And he's again, I'm talking against guys who are like 290, 300, 310 pounds. So you got all of that factored in. But you find out it's not that his cleat was bothering him or that he just shut it down because he worked out well. This guy, Caleb Banks, he had a broken bone in his foot that happened the night before and he still did all of that stuff. The problem though with that, it would be a cute story. Oh no, who cares? It's just a broken bone in his foot. He'll heal up. He'll be ready and he will. But the problem is when you are 327 pound monster of a man and you're six foot six and a quarter with 35 inch arms, right. And you run the way he does and move the way he does and you're required, you're requiring that much from your body. The feet take a pounding and history tells you this is going to be a problem that may cost him multiple games a year. But then I look at the situation he's drafted into and Minnesota's like, man, we got a damn good football team.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I put in my mock draft, I believe, I think I had Peter woods going there. You did. I had Peter woods going there because my intel was they're taking a defensive tackle, an interior defensive lineman with the first pick. I was right on that.

[B]

I didn't love the scheme fit for Woods. This is the perfect dude for Brian Flores system.

[A]

And so I'm looking at Minnesota and they lost. They got rid of Javon Hargrave is with the Packers. Jonathan Allen, who's with, with the Bengals, no longer on the team. Their run defense needed an upgrade. They, you know, last year they were 21st in the NFL in yards per game rush, yards per game allowed. So Flores gets an interior defensive line lineman. That can change the whole deal for them up front if he's healthy. And it was a risk. They were Willing to make.

[B]

He could play the nose tackle. He could play four. I. In that scheme. He can. I mean, I want to just go back to this really quickly because I think he only played four games. Every. All the tape that we've had, again, limited sample size because of the injuries.

[A]

The tape is silly.

[B]

I mean, he's throwing guys around even with the high pad level, which again is a thing which will probably get more exposed at the NFL level and you'd like to see him clean it up.

[A]

But he's also six. Six.

[B]

He's going to play high. He's just so powerful that it doesn't matter. And he's so long that like it's just hard to get into his paths and take advantage of that. That high leverage. He. If he hits this seems like a reach right now. I think to some people in the reality is it's the. It's the classic low floor, high ceiling prospect. If he hits, he is a steal. A steal at pick 18.

[A]

And I feel like. I feel like you're. You're sitting there and you're like, yeah, why not?

[B]

I kind of love it.

[A]

And floors is like, yeah, I can. We will get the most out of this guy and we'll figure out a load management scenario for him and if you can promise me that we have him ready for a playoff run, like, yeah, I'm excited to see him in that defense, man. I am excited to see him in Brian Flores defense. And now that opens up Minnesota. Minnesota's got other needs. They have a safety need. They have a wide receiver need that I believe. But they can address that in the second round. They pick it at 49, 82 and 97. So they got three picks on day two of the draft. But now we've got Monroe Freeling. Is. He's the selection here. Is that what just happened?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

All right. So Monroe Freeling is coming off the board now and he's going to Carolina. No, the Eagles is exactly what we thought. I think that's the exact player I gave the Eagle. They traded with the Cowboys.

[B]

They went to the Panthers. Carolina Panthers got Monroe Freeling.

[A]

Oh, I was wrong about that then.

[B]

Now we have a trade after 20.

[A]

I gave Freeling to the Eagles.

[B]

Eagles in Dallas doing business.

[A]

That's surprising in and of itself, but not the first time it's happened. So that the Monroe Freeling one is fascinating because. Because of the situation in Carolina. Dylan Thienaman was the guy I was told that they could take. I don't know. They thought that Monroe Freeling was still going to be available there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But when you look at what with with Icky Equanu who's injured former first round draft pick in 2022 is injured. They bring in Rasheed Walker. Is that really going to be the guy? But also Taylor Moten is I don't like they offensive line is clearly a big need and it's a short term patchwork thing but also a long term and so they can develop Monroe Freeling with a young quarterback in Bryce Young who was just, you know, three years ago drafted in the first round and showed has had ups and downs but showed a lot of promise. I thought he looked really good in that playoff loss to be honest with you. Yeah. And so we we're putting an emphasis Dan Morgan is on let's we got to protect that investment. We got the wide receiver for him last year and Tetarola McMillan. McMillan who was the offensive rookie of the year. I still think tight end is a need but there were 28 of them at the combine folks. 28. Only one's going in the first and Eli Stowers is likely to go in the second. I'm worried about knee injury stuff I've heard recently. But after that you've got a whole bunch of guys in like the late third third to the seventh round, probably 25 of them that could be drafted. So they'll get that need a little bit later. Now the Eagles move up and this is fascinating. The Eagles will move up to 20 in their division in their division with a division foe who by the way they franchise tagged and got him to sign it in Pickens today but have a wide receiver need and they got the Cowboys to trade that 20th pick. Dallas wanted to move back to the so badly that they even let Howie Roseman come up and take take their pick and also do it for a wide receiver in Makai Lemon who we for a long time everyone thought top 15. The I'm listen the workout wasn't awesome, but it's not terrible. He ran a what a 45 to 452 at USC. The the interviews weren't awesome and it was more than just like the podium stuff. But this guy is one of my favorite wide receivers in this draft because and honestly I've been pumping this guy up all year long because I think he plays the game with a level of toughness and competitiveness and like NFL caliber physicality that it's hard to find from a college wide receiver. And he's not that big. Makai Lemon isn't and he's not that fast, as I already mentioned it, but when you look at Makai Lemon, what he does is he creates after the catch with contact, balance with route running, getting open. Everything he does, he corners on a rail. There's like a weird thing about his body control watching him. It's not the. And it's not the. But it's like this. And everything's. He's just so under control in everything he does. And that's why I think it's going to be a huge success. And we knew it was important for Howie with A.J. brown. Let's just call him a patriot, please. Can we do that? Stop the charades. So A.J. brown's going to New England after June 1, officially, and now they need another wide receiver. And things are just not been good for Philadelphia this off season. It wasn't good for Philadelphia. And during the season, in the offensive side of the ball, there's been turnover at offensive coordinator. A.J. brown wanted out for. Honestly, you can call him a diva. You can call him this, that, and the other thing, you can cite all the keys. He's this A.J. brown, like, didn't trust his quarterback anymore, man. And if you don't trust the guy who's feeding you, then you don't want to be with the guy who's feeding you. And so it was time to move on. And so they're going to let that happen. And now they've got to get. They've got to reshape the identity of this Eagles offense. And this is the best. The best thing that they could do at this point in this draft of trying to take it to this new direction, Right?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But Kai Lemon's going to be a great player. I think he's a great value here. But if I had Howie here sitting next to us and I can ask him, I'm going to say to him, what. How are we building this receiving core? We got the Slim Reaper, who weighs about 170 pounds soaking wet. Awesome receiver, but not much size. You got Hollywood Brown, another small receiver, and then you bring in Makai Lemon, who's another small receiver. So who's the big guy on the outside? Who's going to win for you with a quarterback that isn't the most accurate at times? And I think Jalen Hurts, gets too much criticism, but let's be honest about it. Who's your 50, 50 guy that Johnny Wilson? Is Johnny Wilson going to take the next step this year and he's going to go and he's going to be that player? I Just don't know. That's what I would ask. How he is. I like the player, I like the value, and I think he's going to be very good in the NFL. I want to be clear about that. Great to get Makai Lemon at 20, but Denzel Boston from Washington, if I'm building my roster and I'm looking at value, I'm taking Denzel Boston. And by the way, a lot of Makai Lemon people have become on X.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

And all of a sudden he goes pick 20. So apparently the market for Makai Lemon wasn't quite as high as everyone was saying at one point in this process.

[A]

Good. Get it off your. Get it off your chest, Steve.

[B]

Yeah, I feel good about it.

[A]

Can I ask you this question? Yeah. You're the offensive line guy, right?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Everyone's off the board except Ian Achor and Lomu for the tackles that we believe. And obviously the guard Venga Yuane from Penn State was gone at 14 to Baltimore. Are you out? If Howie. Well, we can call Howie tonight. Do you want to ask? We can. We can be like, yo, Howie, I'm not sure he's picking up. We know the answer to this. The answer is they just didn't view. And a lot of teams were Iheanacho or and Lomu were the two kind of lagging behind the other. The other five. Five. Right. And so we'll see. I believe in Ocho from Arizona State and Lomu from Utah drafted later in the first. But the proof is in. They didn't take one. But that was all the belief was they were going to trade up for an offensive tackle, and now they trade up for a wide receiver. But would you. In your mind, you're not as high as Makai Lemon. Right. Would you have taken Iheanacho here or Lomu here?

[B]

I like iheanatur here. I don't like Lomu as much because I think they need a right tackle and Lomu is kind of. I think he's really.

[A]

A left shore would be a fascinating one. Behind Lane Johnson is Lane Johnson's.

[B]

They must feel better about Lane Johnson.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But that's in the building.

[A]

That's my point.

[B]

So that's that this pick tells me that they feel pretty good about Lane Johnson and where he's at. So if that's the case, then I understand them going in a. A different direction. I just don't understand that specific player. For building a receiving core and building that roster, you're losing a big guy in AJ Brown, not a super Tall dude, but a thicker, more physical receiver. And I know Lemon's a physical guy, but it's. It's a different thing.

[A]

Yeah, it's a surprising pick, but. But it makes sense to me because I had Lemon.

[B]

It's great value there.

[A]

It's not clear. It's. It's there. Again, they need a receiver. He's the 14th player on the. The board and I know you and I fought about that and that's as far as I could drop them down and without being sick. But it's pick 20 and Denzel Boston's pick.

[B]

He's the 20th player on your board.

[A]

No, I understand that. That's a good point. All right, Steelers are on the clock. Steelers are another team. Offensive tackle. Is it Iheana here? Is it. Is it Caleb Loma? I would see Ian out your as a positive. And they just got the new as well. There was a setback with neck injury.

[B]

Yeah. Broderick Jones.

[A]

Broderick Jones. So that would seem to accentuate this need. There was talk with no Aaron Rodgers and I never believed it for a sec. There's talk that Carson Beck could go. That's how crazy things get. And watch will be the pick right here. But I know that it's wild. I know that there's information that they. Carson Beck is one of the guys I think they would. Yeah. Max Ionatur, that's going to be the pick for the. For the Pittsburgh Steelers. Our good. Our good friend Nick, who's a cameraman who travels to the Senior bowl with us.

[B]

We just saw earlier this week.

[A]

Who just saw earlier this week, he. Yeah. When we were with David Chang, keeping the David Chang show. That was.

[B]

Turn around, there's Nick.

[A]

Check that out. On Monday, folks, when that comes out, me and Mensch met me not identifying the proper cuts of steak and Mensch not being able to take chopsticks and remove M and Ms. But our guy Nick, who's. Who's one of our. I mean, like this. This tight family that we've got here. Nick and Jake are two of the best and Jake was Jake and Nick is. Nick reminded us one of the people who allowed us to get on the David Chang show and help facilitate that. But he's there in the room with Max Iheanacho right now, is a cameraman working for ESPN right now. And you know where he was with us at the Senior bowl getting tape that you're about to watch right now of Max Iheanacho, where he had a monster week and really solidified himself in my Opinion as a first round pick.

[B]

Mitch? Yeah, listen, I, you know how I feel about this player. I think he is, you know, the, the knock is that because of his background and he didn't start playing football till later on in life compared to a lot of these guys. And I think. I'll let you, you tell the story so well that if you want to tell it, I'll let you.

[A]

I'll tell you in a minute, but keep going.

[B]

But the tape, he is not as raw as people might think on the tape. There's things, there's things he's got to clean up. And like all these other guys, we're talking about a guy who's come a long way in a short period of time. He's a physical, gifted player. I think when you watch the Texas Tech tape, you know, those edges gave Utah all kinds, all kinds of problems. Watch the Texas Tech tape and you're going to be pretty impressed with this kid. I think he's a great value there. And I think now what's interesting is the left, right thing. He's a right tackle. Can he play on the left side? That's something that I'm sure that they've investigated. They're comfortable with what their plan is going to be. So whichever way that's going to go, they're going to, they're going to handle that. But great value, great pick fills a monster need for them. I love it all around.

[A]

This is one of the coolest stories that I can remember and every year there's a few of them. So I don't want to put it. We're not ranking the stories, but this young man comes over with his family from Nigeria at the age of 13. Maxine Outshore does, right? And he comes over and he's a kid, right? He play, he's a big soccer player. And over in Africa, like soccer's massive and he's a basketball player and that's a huge sport. Over in African and growing, right? But he comes to America and playing football, just the other football, not the American football. And then he's, he gets, grows to be so big. What's his, what is his dynamic? He's his measurement, it's like 6, 6 over £300. And he's growing into this monster of a man. And he's playing on the AAU circuit and he's really good at basketball. The coach basically turns to him one day and is like, man, like, you're really good at basketball. We love having you on the team. But your frame starting to look like that of an offensive lineman. I think you should play football. And he had never played American football before. Like, not dissimilar from Zeke Ansa, who came over from Africa. And I've heard stories of him then have been like, put on his shoulder pads and teaching him how to get suited up. So he had never really. He'd never played. And so he winds up going to East LA Community College through this AAU basketball coach, and he starts playing football. And he's fumbling around. Lack of a better term, he's not very good at first. Who would be right?

[B]

Deer on ice.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. A deer on ice. Well put, mensch. And. But he gets a look from this Fresno State offensive line coach named Saga Tuatelli. And the Fresno State offensive line coach is like, I see something there. I want you to come to Fresno State and play well. It feels like moments later, the Fresno State coach, Tuatelli gets hired by Kenny Dillingham to go to Arizona State. And so one of the first things that Tuatelli does when he gets to Arizona State is like, Kenny, like, I got this guy. I know he really doesn't know how to play ball yet. I like him. Let's bring him in. Kenny's like, yeah, sure, let's do it. So he goes to Arizona State. They're supposed to sit him. He's not supposed to play. He's a project, long term. And he comes in and all of a sudden they get all these like a. It's a mass. It's like a triage center. Their offensive line, they've got to play him. Winds up starting six games in 2023. Didn't go well, but. But got better, right?

[B]

Baptism by fire got better.

[A]

And so the second year starts playing pretty well, to the point where I get scouts like, this guy. This guy Iheanachor. I'm like, what's his name? Ahenachor. And I promise you, none of the scouts pronounce it right still. But we're all like, and I'm now in Washington. This guy can move. He's huge, right? He worked so hard and had to overcome all of this. And the embarrassment of not knowing how to play, and then the embarrassment of getting thrown into the FBS level in the Big 12 and not playing well and then just grinded through and through. And he's one of, like, the coolest, nicest, most compassionate dudes, to the point where I was just talking to Fabianich, the direct executive director of the Senior bowl last week. He said, you know what the coaches and the players no, the players and the scouts voted for off vote for position player of the week and they voted for Iannatshor and he go and when they told him that it's a huge honor when the scout everyone, the personnel people and your teammates are saying you're the best player player on the offensive line unit of the entire week of the Senior bowl. And he turns to Drew Fabianic and says oh, I was really hoping it would go to slaughter the Florida offensive lineman. I thought he was going to be the guy. And he's like that kind of encapsulizes who he is as a human being. But he on the field he's a nasty son of a gun and he's getting better and better. And so now he comes into the league 13 years old from Nigeria. Had never known bit about football. East LA Community College I didn't know existed with a football program to Fresno State. Oh, that doesn't work out to Arizona State and getting your butt kicked. And now all of a sudden he is a first round draft choice in 2026 into the national football.

[B]

Congratulations.

[A]

It's awesome, right? And he can play. It's not just a good story. He can obviously play if he's being drafted 21st overall by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Right.

[B]

Told you it was a first round pick in January.

[A]

All right. You did, you did. I said that. Top 50 Akeem Mesadore is the Chargers pick.

[B]

How about it?

[A]

I love that.

[B]

Love the chart.

[A]

The chart. If it wasn't you want a. It was man. Do we hope an edge falls correct. Tell them about this pick and Akeem Messador.

[B]

Well, I think their top three guys are all in contract years and then Khalil Mack and Budget Priya are both on the wrong side of the 30. And what I really. One of the things I love about Akeem Messador's game is that he is outstanding. When they go to four man France they're going to kick this guy inside and he will give interior offensive linemen absolute nightmares. And some of its athletic ability which you would expect from an edge kicking inside. But this dude has some of the most violent hands in the draft. I mean he just knows how to get off blocks and just get guys off balance. And it's honestly he's just like Bain. Miami tape is so much fun to watch because the two of them, I mean they're just the, the motors, the hand like it's, it's. I think that that Mesador's got maybe a little more of an injury history a little bit Older of a prospect. So he. This is why he's going to fall. But Joe Ortiz, go get your crab soup. You had.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Great, great pick. I. I don't know if you're going to trade back in, but if you're done for the night, go get the crab soup and because you just crushed your pick.

[A]

Yeah. Mesadore falling. And there's the age element with Akeem message.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's 25 years old. Okay. Had some durability stuff, but most teams I talked to weren't. Weren't concerned about the. That. But the combination isn't ideal. Right. As a first round draft picker, 25 years old and you've kind of, you know, bounced around and been in and out with some injuries. But this past year, man, like, there's some guys who are going to be drafted and I don't want to start knocking but like crown over from A and M. Like you go down the. Like the. Was it. I'm not going to. It was like. It was a slaughter. List of what? Bain. Yes. But pass rush downs, the embarrassment he inflicted upon some of these offensive tackles. The thing about Macedor is hit very few off edge rushers in college figure out the. And granted he's 25 and so people who are trying to knock him and say he's not that good were like, well, yeah, he should have figured it out by now. He's 25. But very few times you pop on college tape and their pass rushers are combining the feet with the upper body and everything's in unison and there's a plan. And what's the plan? On snap one shifts to. Plan on snap three right shifts to. How did he counter to that? And it's like it's this game of chess that you're playing, but then also having the feet and the upper body and so he's like to a club to a swipe to a. Like he does it all. He is, he is maybe the. I don't know. He's the most polished pass rusher in this draft, I'd say.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, Bailey's up there, but he's what? I mean, he's in the mix, man. I always, I always do this to you. I know whenever I'm like, I don't

[A]

know that Bailey's that as polished as him. Bailey's more gifted and more explosive.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

But.

[B]

But listen, he's up there. You are. You are right.

[A]

Why are you picking fights with me a bit. So where did you. Oh, this is. This Is another one of your guys, man.

[B]

Van, this is. I'm a little.

[A]

This is a good night.

[B]

Kind of surprised by how early, but

[A]

I love the player, man. Wait a second.

[B]

So we can announce this. Can we announce.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

So the Cowboys take edge. Malachi Lawrence from. From Central Florida with the pick 23.

[A]

This one's intriguing because they needed an edge. And Malachi Lawrence, his tape is pretty damn awesome. Now, the complaint you're going to get on Malachi Lawrence is some thought he was soft. I never saw an ounce of soft. Some thought that he didn't play the run with this. I shouldn't say soft. When people say soft. Like he doesn't play the run with the same intensity as he does trying to get those pass rushes home. Right. I didn't see it. And I questioned back, like, I popped back at a few people, like, I didn't see it. Give me examples, like just in general, you know, he plays high. I'm like, yeah, no, I see him play high. But there's a difference in not. And at the end of the day, Malachi Lawrence, his tape was really good. He didn't get invited to the Senior bowl. And. And they.

[B]

At the east west game.

[A]

He was at the east west game and an awesome week. And Fabian, I just talked to Drew the other day, and he said we tried to bring him in, but late and recognize, like, they brought the other UCF edge rusher in. And so Lawrence has an awesome week at the Senior Bowl. What's the huddle. On? What for the draft board. A mock draft. Early days.

[B]

Let's see how he finishes.

[A]

Yeah, I only care about the top 100 board, but where I'm king of the hill, as they call it, for the last five years. This is nice of you. I can't believe you guys are doing something nice for me.

[B]

You don't do anything nice. I'll say this, Tucker.

[A]

Everything's nice is for Mensch.

[B]

He only cares about the top 100 until he finished first in the mock draft, and then he'll care about it.

[A]

I refuse to turn my mock draft into the huddle report, guys. Bobby over there. Robbie, sorry. But they're great. I mean, the work that they do is pretty cool.

[B]

They grind through.

[A]

So thank you. That's. That's nice. Yeah, this. This mock draft, I thought was going to be a disaster, but it was not anywhere but. But Ty Simpson, you know, all right, But Malachi Lawrence, I don't want to breeze over this pick because this is a huge shock to people that it's this high in the first, right? And Dallas, they wanted to trade back and got additional compensation. I've liked what they did. They moved up slightly, moved back slightly. Probably worked it all out with compensation. But Malachi Lawrence had a great east west shrine. We watched. You watched him on tape first you uncovered this guy because I was watching Nigel Kelly, the other guy getting ready for the Senior bowl. And you know, his tape's pretty good. Like, like he's really good. And I was like all right, well I'll get to it after the Senior Bowl. And I got to it after Senior Bowl. I'm like, yo, you're right.

[B]

Like he run, he runs around like a wild man. I mean he's got to calm down at times and break down finish as a pass rusher. That's how like energetic and active. He's like a Tasmanian devil. I mean he is just going all the time as a pass rusher and it gets him into trouble because he needs to just break down and finish the.

[A]

But he got better and better each year and he finished his career three seasons, 27 and a half tackles for loss, 19 and a half sacks. Then he goes to the combine folks. And we thought he was going to work out well, but I didn't have on the bingo card. Six four, 253 pounds, almost 34 inch arm length. Okay, ran a four, five two. That's 92nd percentile in the last three years at the combine. And remember they're. There's the Arvell Reese's and well they were at linebacker. There's plenty of guys who are like the 240 range. He's 64253 a respectable size. Right. And he runs a one. What I tell you, the 160 is the line. You run me a one six zero or faster. You have a chance to be an elite pass rusher if you can develop those things. 159. That's the 86 percentile in the 10 yard split 40 inch vertical in the last three years. 96 percentile. 1010 broad. 95th percentile. This is the workout of an elite, elite edge rusher. And the tape is really good in ascending.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the all star game was dominant. Wish he came to the Senior bowl and got to put it up against some of those other offensive tackles like Ian. Not sure. But he didn't. And here we are now. The Cowboys believe in him so much and I had heard that they liked him. I didn't know that this high they take him at 23 overall. Yeah, man, and this Dallas defense, we talked about it.

[B]

I will say this for Lawrence. I think the absolute ceiling is Khalil Mack. And that's going to be a hell of a football player, man.

[A]

We'll see if he gets talking about.

[B]

I know, I know. But that's the ceiling. Same frame.

[A]

Usually when you put an absolute ceiling, you're, you're, you're inferring that there's, there's, there's a lot higher, but absolute. I misspoke. I misspoke. Fine.

[B]

Fine.

[A]

But now this is a great spot for him, is he's learning and developing, and he's only a really good pass rusher right now.

[B]

Right.

[A]

By NFL standards.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

You got. You got Rashawn Gary and you got Otito and you got Jonathan Bullard. You brought in and got James Houston, but like, he's got a chance to be a 20, 25 snap guy as a rookie and make an actual impact. An actual impact as a pass rusher for this defense.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

And they drafted Caleb Downs with the first pick. So now you got this pass rushing maniac coming off the edge to go along with Rashawn Gary, who you brought in. And yes, I get it, it's not Micah Parsons, but you've also brought in Quinn and Williams and Kenny Clark since as part of all that incense. And now you got, you got Downs at the safety position. Now what's left is we better deal with cornerback. And I think wide receivers going to need to be addressed on this second day. But this is an awesome start for the Cowboys. Just like I think it couldn't have gone much better. The Lawrence things early. It's earlier than we thought.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it fits what they need, you know, so I'm cool with it.

[B]

It'll be interesting to see if Donovan as a rock, who we like coming out last year, could take the next step.

[A]

Yes, yes. The. The Browns took conception. This mock draft's doing well, huh? Is that who I gave him?

[B]

The doesn't care about.

[A]

He's starting to care about it a little bit. Oh, no. I gave him Makai Lemon.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Anyway.

[C]

Thinking.

[A]

I know. That's what. Come on. That's why I don't care about it. So the Browns. The Browns are doing what we expect the Browns to do. The Browns got their offensive tackle with the first pick, and the Browns come back with their second pick at 24, and they wind up taking Casey Concepcion, a player I think really fits what they want to do. This is. Concepcion is lightning. Concepcion is a guy who gets in the End zone. The Cleveland Browns desperately need guys that can take the football and put it in the paint, if you will. He did it 30 times, threw for a touchdown past the last three seasons, but also 30 times he scored a touchdown. I did a breakdown. I want to walk you through exactly what I think is unique in the top three things that I think are going to translate for the Cleveland Browns and what they just got in concepcion at the 24th overall pick. The first is this beautiful blend of vision and acceleration after the catch. Watch right here, right? He'll break this quick tackle. And that's not even about his game. His game is getting up field and exploding after the catch. So here's the catch. And right away the quick transition. Go. He just has this sense where to cut, when to cut. And that makes 4, 4, 5 speed, 4, 3, football speed. There is a suddenness to his game that I like. I want you to watch this working against press coverage. It'll be better in the league. League. I get it. But watch that ability to separate real quickly when you're exploding off the line of scrimmage. And you got to pick up in the quick game or in the red zone. I like that about him. And then here's the final thing that I love about Concepcion's game. The awareness. I think this is going to serve him so well in the NFL. Watch this corner, right? He's working this as if, okay, if it's man to man, I've got to work that outside in. And then he recognizes the safety. That's the beauty. Watch that free safety does milliseconds. He works to his left. The arm goes up. Concepcion says, hey, get the ball to me. Reed does here. It's a touchdown. This is going to work in the NFL. Yeah. And Cleveland's going to need. Need it to work right away. And it will. Obviously we're not going to get into a big quarterback debate. And what's going to happen there, I don't think desean Watson is going to is going to be much of anything. And we'll see. He'll get one last shot there in Cleveland. We know what we saw last year from Shador and I'm thrilled that he's getting this opportunity. Shador Sanders. But let's just be honest about this situation. It's a. Last year, you did enough to go from the fifth round draft pick. After that embarrassment and everything that happened, you hung in there. You showed enough maturity to get to this point and you showed enough that we're willing to give you another shot to be the starter. And I fully expect that Shador Sanders is the starter coming into this year. But it's one year. Let's figure it out. Because next year there's a bunch of quarterbacks coming in the league that could be better. Right. And that's the nature of this league. But in the meantime, we're going to give you some weapons for this year and we're also going to get ready for 2027. If you prove us wrong, that's the best thing that could ever happen.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Right. And that's good. And I say prove us wrong. And it's a new coaching staff, but the same general manager didn't look like this ton of excitement they passed on a four rounds. So my whole point on this is they've got to start getting the weapons and the protection right in Cleveland for Shador this year. And if he's this, if he takes it to a whole nother level, which, by the way, there was a lot of good things on tape coming out and we talked about him as a late first, early second leg. There was a lot of talk about him. And so it's in there. If the maturity level raises with the skill set and the passing ability. Right. And now you've got a weapon in the wide receiver Concepcion that comes in and yet you can talk about body types and this and that. Isaiah Bond is. Talk about not trusting. You can't trust Isaiah Bond to be your number three starter, but as a number four, that's a nice weapon who can provide you some explosive plays. Well, now they get to bump them back to four because you got Cedric Tillman on one side, Jerry Judy on the other hand. And now in the slot goes Casey Concepcion, who also has some inside outside versatility. So now we're starting to put some pieces together. This isn't like, this isn't like a top 10 passing attack from a receiver core standpoint, but it's progress. And we we also got an offensive tackle in the first round after bringing in Zion Johnson at guard and Elgin Jenkins at center. Presumably all that. Titus Howard at right tackle, dejuan Jones at left tackle is the question mark. And so they draft Spencer Fano in the beginning early in this draft after moving back from six to nine.

[B]

They've executed the plan.

[A]

They've executed the plan.

[B]

Get an offensive lineman, then get a wide receiver. It's gone to plan.

[A]

And this by. I told you there was a straw. If there was a straw poll. The hell is a straw poll. I've been using that phrase.

[B]

I don't even know what it means.

[A]

If I polled all the people I talked to, if I wrote down all the conversations I had with people in the league because I was curious, where do you guys rank them? Because for different teams, different teams are looking for different things, the poll would have come back. Concepcion was majority vote by the people I talked to in the league as the fourth best receiver behind Tate, Tyson and Lemon. And that's exactly where he goes as the fourth receiver off the board. So Cleveland, for all the people at the, you know, the analytics and this and that, like, Todd Monkin's going to come in. I'm excited for the Todd Monken era. Yeah, this guy's an absolute character. But much, much, much more importantly, this guy's an absolutely good football coach. And I'm excited to see that. That combination of stuff. But they needed some. They needed stuff on this offensive side and they got a tackle that. Whether it's left or right or they move pieces around and they got a receiver who I think is going to be an instant impact pick player after

[B]

getting Harold Fannin last year. I mean, they. Yeah, they're making some progress.

[A]

They are. And so now the Bears, who there are a lot of rumors could move around tonight, they don't wind up as many other teams don't wind up moving. They got an absolute. This is like. It's not like hitting the lottery, but this is like when you have that lucky day, right. And so everything just falls into place and you. You really want. You only got 10 minutes for lunch and all of a sudden like someone brought in catering from the best restaurant in town and then you leave. And there's no traffic on the highway. Normally it's an hour drive and it's 25, 24 minutes getting home and all of it. There was no chance based off of all the calls and the intel that I was getting and everyone else I talked to in this industry was getting that Dylan Thieneman was falling to 25. And DA comes in Dennis Allen and he's looking for guy like it was Talk of Emmanuel McNeil Warren, the third safety in this draft. I don't know that he's going to be the perfect fit. Thienaman would be, but there's no chance. Thieneman gets to the bears at pick 25. And here he is at 25. He was absolutely. He could have gone as high as 12 was the talk all week long. And absolutely like the floor is Carolina at 19 and he gets to 25 and Dennis Allen gets exactly what we said coming in watch out for offensive tackle. But edge and safety are the two positions that you got to get right for Dennis Allen for this defense. And now with Caleb playing the way he did and with everything going on the offensive side with Ben Johnson like they're good and they'll get a couple pieces later on. But this was about getting that defense to another level.

[B]

Yeah. I mean this pick tells me a couple things. One, you're. You're right. Massive need. Best player available at that position. I think going to be an absolute stud in the league. But it does tell me that Chicago is not as worried about their situation at left tackle where Ozzy Chapillo is. Is. Is hurt. And they also. I mean they. I think they make the right tick pick by taking Thienam in here. I think he's the best available player and it is a big need.

[A]

But also they have on the.

[B]

On the board is Zion Young from Missouri at edge and TJ Parker from Clemson at edge. This was the best case scenario for the Bears. They had the pick of the litter basically of what they could do and to be able to do that this late in the draft, man. And I think they made the right. I think they made the right pick.

[A]

And it's worth noting, not surprising Nick Casario decides to move up ahead of San Francisco for fear that San Francisco would take the last tackle off the board. Let's see if it plays out. Plays out that way. But Houston moves up just a couple spots in the first round. Presumably. Caleb, we talked about it. There's. There's eight offensive linemen that we are certain are going to go in the first round. That was. That's my feeling and you agreed with me. Could be a guard or two more. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Houston's probably going to be in the outside looking in the end of it. I think my mock draft was 27. Lomu is San Francisco. So could Nick's screwing up my mock draft if Loma's the pick here. But Buffalo takes advantage because Buffalo didn't have a second round pick. I believe so they're trying to recuperate some ammunition. Buffalo picks 26 and 91 was their picks coming into the first round. Now they just. What was the trade?

[B]

Did you move up to 69? They move up to earlier in the. In the third.

[A]

In the early in the third. So it's a set. It's just. Just outside the second round. So. So now they. The Bills move back just a couple spots. They get additional Day 2 compensation. Houston moves up. I would have to assume it's Lomu, right?

[B]

I would think so, yes. Because if they were going to stay and maybe take an edge, I mean

[A]

they we can get to in a sec. Yes, I do want to go.

[B]

I do think it's Lomu though.

[A]

I would think so too. But yeah, Trent Williams is 38 years old but they did just sign him for another year. But you got to get that ready. They have a bunch of other needs. So why ever if it's not for Lomu, it's a player they absolutely believe San Francisco was going to take. Right at 27. Dylan Thienamin though. I just want to finish this. I this is a guy who played free safety. You talked about it his freshman year at Purdue. When you went back and watched the tape and I went back and watched and I was like, damn, you're right man, he can. The thing with Dennis Allen is you think about was it Malcolm Jennings? No. Malcolm Jenkins who was the safety he had in New Orleans. That was so impactful and important, wasn't it?

[B]

Jenkins?

[A]

Yeah, he was. Yeah, it was just give me a second, right. I got a lot of names going through my head. This is, this is a 6 foot 200 plus pound guy who ran a 43540 yard dash at the combine. He had a 41 inch vertical. His workout numbers are absolutely, we knew they were going to be good. But then he came out with the 41 inch vertical which was 90th percentile, 1 5, 2, 10 split 4, 3, 5. Like it was just off the charts. This is a guy who takes the ball away. Most importantly for Dennis Allen. He can be your deep free, he can be your slot cover corner, right. He can do all those different things. And so I love that fit for Chicago. I think Chicago got significantly better on that side of the ball and we expect edge and maybe offensive lineman later on. Now we talked about, this is fascinating. We talked about Houston trading up ahead of San Francisco. To get the offensive lineman it had to be Caleb Lomu, right? Keelan Rutledge, guard from Georgia Tech. Not shocking. He was one of like 10 names. We said when you get to pick 25 to about 46 was the number. I went and looked on our rankings. There's so much fluctuation and teams then talking to teams on the phone it's like well we got him here, we got him.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[A]

The top. There were like 13 guys that were absolute luck first round grades in any draft in my opinion this year. And then there's another like eight guys, nine guys. Then you get to like the 20, mid-20s. And Keelan Rutledge I've never seen at the Senior Bowl. Keelan Rutledge, guard out of Georgia Tech. I've never seen an offensive line group on your own team turn on a teammate like they did Keelan Rutledge. This guy is such a prick. And I mean that in the best possible way for an offensive lineman. He is angry, he is mean, he is nasty, and he is rotten. And you know what else he is? He's a darn good guard, man. He is plug and play starter. He is physical. He's a finisher. You. You did his tape and you liked it a lot too.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think he's a very fundamentally sound zone blocker. And people think that of glass eaters or. Or road graders or pricks. They're just man gap guys. This guy's a very sound zone blocker. He does a great job of, again, not to get in the weeds here, but does a great job of securing the line of scription, line of scrimmage before weeds, man. Before working up to the second level, there's. As an offensive lineman watching his tape, it's hard not to. It's hard not to geek out a little bit about. About how well he does certain things. I'm not surprised that he went in the first round. I thought it might be a little bit later, but he's a damn good player.

[A]

The only thing that's surprising about it, and I know the information was there, and Nick didn't trade up for no reason. The only thing that's surprising about it was that they traded up to go get the player that's 40th on our board. But again, like, he's probably 20th on their board, so what's it matter, Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And they wound up taking him at 26. Yep, 26. Okay. So now San Francisco was on the clock and they traded out and Miami has moved up. That's Lomu. That's got to be Lomu.

[B]

They got Proctor already for Miami.

[A]

Oh, yeah, they did. Sorry, I'm going to the bathroom. You carry this for three minutes, you can handle it.

[B]

This is where it all falls apart, folks. So they pick up a third round. Damn. That's a pretty good deal for San Francisco. We're definitely gonna have to go to the GM series. We all understand that, right? I love that trade for San Francisco. I mean, you. You move back three picks and you pick up a third rounder in a draft where I think there's going to be a lot of talent available in the third round, they'll be able to fill another need. So I love the pick. It also says to me that they're not as concerned about the Trent Williams situation at left tackle. We're going to take a quick bathroom break. And while we're gone, this is Chris Ballard from the Colts gm.

[A]

I'm curious, what, what would people who worked with you say? These were his scouting principles. This is why he had so much success evaluating talent. This is what I learned from him. These. These are the things that he was strong on.

[C]

Look, they know one. You got to work like that's a gift. Like, you got to put your eyes on the tape. Yeah, okay, we can. And look, I am into analytics, I am into the numbers, I am into thinking differently. But at the end of the day, it's all just a tool, a supplement. Right. To help you watch the tape. And I would hope people would tell you I was very open minded. I'm not close minded. You don't have to make a decision, too. You have to make a decision. It's okay to be wrong. Yep, it's okay to be wrong. Because at the end of the day, we want to be right on draft day. So between, you know, January and April, when the draft starts, I mean, you've got to be able to process and take in all this information and tape and you're going to see, and I'm telling you, like, you can watch the same game three times, you're going to see something different.

[A]

Isn't it crazy?

[C]

And, and, but you got to be willing to do that and you got to be able to do it. Like any mistake I've ever made in the draft usually comes because I make my mind up too soon and I don't thoroughly go through it and keep looking for holes. I mean, I've just done it so long now. I've trained myself that if I really love a prospect, I will spend three months trying to figure out why I shouldn't like him. So I would hope our guys would tell you something along those lines. That the work, the tape. Being open minded and being a good listener. I hear it all in our room and I want an open room and I want people to challenge and I hear it all because you never know when the one voice is right. And it's hard to be the outside voice in the room when everybody's against you. Like, that's a. That's not for everybody.

[A]

No.

[C]

But that might be the one person who's seeing it. Right. You can't close your eyes and think that this person's wrong. And so I would hope as you know, as our. And I think we're very. I think we have a very talented group. You know, I hope as they go through their careers, that's something they take with them.

[A]

Let's get to the quarterback position. Right. And I'll let the wolves. Wolves ask all the questions that they want. And I know you've answered a million of them this week. I'm more interested in evaluating that position.

[C]

You and me both.

[A]

Most important position in the sport. And it's the hardest one to evaluate.

[C]

Yeah, it is. Because there's so few of them.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That can really carry a franchise. So what's. What happens? And we're all guilty of it. And I've kind of like. It's one of the real positives I think of nil. All right. And I, I truly believe that if I was a quarterback, it's not about being a first round pick, but having a career.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And the more snaps you can get in college, the better off you're gonna be. Every kid I would divide. I said, I don't care if you're the first pick of the draft, if you've got eligibility left, stay and be as prepared as you can because this train does not. When you enter the league, the clock starts. And if you got a one next to your name, it starts and it's. And it's ticking twice as fast as any other player in the draft's clock. So having those guys have play history and being ready is. I think this nil is going to be very beneficial for both quarterbacks in general. But I think for us, because now they're going to have. If they'll do it, they'll stay in. They'll have longer careers.

[A]

We're seeing guys with 50, 60 starts versus the 20, 30 you would sure like.

[C]

The more play experience you have, the more you've seen, the better chance you have, you know, for success when you get into our league. But look, nobody's cornered the market on knowing exactly what works and what doesn't work. And it takes a little bit of luck. It takes a, you know, you. A kid that's failed and struggled, I think is a good thing because you're. Because they're going to struggle at our level and got told our media the other day and I've said it a few times, like event like there's. It's rare when a quarterback comes in and just lights it up right away and they, they got to fail. They got to go through some Hard stuff. They got to stand on the edge of the abyss and not jump.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And handle it. I was fortunate to be with Alex Smith in Kansas City who had it first pick of the draft draft injured benched. They let walk in free. He ended up going back in free agency. But it was like year eight before it really came. When we got him in Kansas City, I think it was year eight or nine and I asked him a bunch of questions about like how did you manage it? And I think just his resolve of who he is and how he was raised and who he is as a person, it just strengthened over time.

[A]

Time.

[C]

Not many can handle that kind of failure.

[A]

Yeah that's a.

[C]

That's not for everybody.

[A]

Appreciate that conversation with Chris Ballard. I don't know what's weaker that I couldn't hold out the last handful of picks. I knew this is coming but I had to go to the restroom before we started the actual draft. Or that you my ear if you guys can pull that the There you go. Or that you had to that you couldn't hang here for three minutes and just talk to our friends. No.

[B]

Immediately didn't know what to do with my hands started sweating.

[A]

But. But I We can be in a conversation. You could talk for five straight minutes and not even think twice about it. But the fact that I'm not sitting like a binky.

[B]

I think you when you. You make me so angry that I have a heart like I just don't focus on anything else other than being mad at you.

[A]

Well just be mad at me that I left you on the. Anyway, uh. Let's get caught up on things. We talked to you about Keelan Rutledge the guard to to Houston and my. My earpiece is. Is still open. I can hear in there.

[B]

Yeah I'm hearing that goes

[A]

then Chris Johnson menches favorite player. Another guy that like I I just really like his tape but Chris Johnson to the San Diego State corner Miami traded up with San Francisco I believe to go at 27 to go get Chris Johnson the corner. They obviously need everything the corner one of the bigger needs the patriots then at 28 get Caleb Lomu. But I want to take you back to that Chris Johnson tape or the Chris Johnson pick for. For Miami because I know this is one of your favorite players in the entire draft.

[B]

My guy you know it's been such an interesting pre draft process for him because he's from San Diego State. He's Not a Power 5 Conference player player but when you watch him on tape he is instinctive. He goes and gets the ball. He is a playmaker. I mean, he just knows how to play through, through the receiver's hands at the catch point. He's tough against the run. One of the more intelligent players in this draft. I think he can do a number of things in terms of, of when you want to vary coverage, whether you want to play zone, whether you want to play man. But again, you, you just see his ability to go and get the ball and make plays and that's, that's really what I love the most about his game.

[A]

Went to the Senior bowl and had

[B]

kind of an up and down week and we thought, well, maybe he's not

[A]

the player we thought he was.

[B]

Then he goes and has a great workout at the combine and then you start hearing about interviews and you start digging in a little bit and you're like, oh, this is a different kind of human being. He has a different kind of mind, a different kind of brain. I think it's a great pick at this point in the draft and they desperately need corners. Their, I don't know how their past defense was atrocious last year. I don't think there's any like sugar coating it. I mean, it was so bad that they had to address the position.

[A]

Well, the fact that they moved up to go get this guy tells you everything you need to know. And the fact that, let's face it, I mean, we pushed, it's almost like we, we. I don't know what it was because you and I both loved him. And you were talking to Drew Fabianos when we had him on in the Senior bowl before we went down to Mobile. How you, your, you're yelling at your wife Iris, you're yelling at your daughter Stella about Chris Johnson. Chris, like, I just love this guy. Yelling at him in a good way. Like, you gotta, you gotta see. Why is no one else getting this? Why does no one else get how good Chris Johnson is? So, and I watched his tape and I was like, man, like, I love him too. And there was something about his ability to like match zone and his eyes and then the man to man stuff. And the only question we had was at that level, like is the speed, the recovery speed, the run's a 4, 4 flat. And then, and then the Jermad McCoy stuff, which is unfortunate, but the injury issue with his knee and a lot of teams I'm talking to, it's degenerative. And we always liked Colton Hood. Yep, great, like really good player. Could be a great corner in the league and is probably Going to be a really, really good one. But we just like Chris Johnson better. So I was sitting down with our board, like right before you and I had our last board meeting and I was like, McCoy's going to fall. And it's the durability stuff. So it's out of our control. And he hasn't played football since 2024. I'm putting Chris Johnson number two because it's what you and I totally believe. And I knew there was going to be no pushback and here he is as the second cornerback off the board. So trust your eyes is the. Is the message here. And very clearly they're very clearly Miami trusted their eyes and John Eric Sullivan is off to a really good start with Jeff Hafley as his head coach. John Eric is the general manager and he's off to like really, really good foundation of the. Not only the talent but like the guys you want to bring in and Jeff Halfley defensive backs. It's critical. It's not a want. It's an absolute critical part of what he does. So this is a huge piece for them. Then the next pick we've got Caleb Lomo.

[B]

To the Patriots.

[A]

To the New England Patriots. I mean couldn't. The only thing that's interesting about this pick is Caleb Lomo is a full time left tackle in the NFL. And so we're going to start the questions on short arms moving to. But at the end of the day they're trying to get the five best offensive linemen. Will Campbell's their left tackle starter. You. You Point Blank asked Mr. Wolf during our interview at the combine and he point blank answered, he is our left tackle. So Lomu comes in and I don't know if it's a kick in to guard. I don't know if it's the right tackle after Morgan Moses, but at the end of the day, best player on the availability.

[B]

It's fascinating to me because where they get him is obviously very different than where they got Will Campbell and he does have longer arms.

[A]

Will Campbell.

[B]

But this is a similar player. No, I'm just saying it's a similar player in terms of great feet, smart, yep. Really good with his hands. But a high cut guy who has some problems with power rushers, which is what we saw. And Cable may have been hurt. I want to be, I want to be clear about that.

[A]

But during he was hurt.

[B]

Okay, fine.

[A]

I guess you're the doctor for the

[B]

New England Patriots now.

[A]

Basically.

[B]

That being said, he can have a hard time anchoring. So I love the Value, though.

[A]

And there and their divisional foe, although it doesn't feel like it in recent days, the New York Jets. The New York jets just traded. Hold on. The New York jets just moved up and traded the pick after the chiefs. So the 30th pick. Okay, the 30th pick. Yeah. We are going to have to move this TV tomorrow. The jets move up to pick 30, but the real news is the Kansas City Chiefs, a pick before that after the Patriots pick of lomu, right at 29. The pick is in for Peter woods, interior defensive lineman. And I'm starting to feel vindicated because I said there's absolutely going to be two defensive tackles that go in the first round. About a month ago I said the wrong two names, but one of them is right and that's Peter Woods. I didn't think Caleb Banks was going to go as early as he did. The talent certainly warrants it, but Peter woods is a player you want to talk about Full circle on Peter woods, right? Watch the tape. Last summer we're doing our Clemson special on the McShay show because there were so many prospects we wanted to feature that and it turned out to be a madly disappointing season for Clemson and a lot of these prospects the. The highest ranked grade I gave and I think it was the same for you. You might, it might have been T.J. parker. But either way, we both, we both thought potential top 10, top 15 picks. And I thought Peter woods was on en route to maybe being like a Mason Graham type of pick. Top 10 pick. Okay. But he needed to elevate and show more as a pass rusher. Didn't do that, in fact, just didn't. Didn't play with the same finishing. It just. It wasn't the same tape. It wasn't the same tape where the times I just. It wasn't checked out. It wasn't anything like that. It felt like he didn't have a plan. Like he just didn't feel like it. This was this like definitive what I'm trying to do and doing it with nastiness and relentlessness and this like. So he started to drop and then he didn't work out well at the combine and that was a problem. And started to drop more drop or at the pro day, actually.

[B]

Right. Yeah.

[A]

And so now we're talking maybe, maybe in the 40s, you know, like that. That's how big of a move shift it was. But as the week got closer, I started talking and they were like, watch out for Baltimore at 14, but not there. But trading back Minnesota at 18, Buffalo was one of them. They didn't take them there. And Houston was another team. There are a lot of teams all of a sudden that had interior defensive line needs. And now Peter woods, who's a really good player, he's not Mason Graham, but I see a lot of the similar traits with Mason Graham. The shorter arms, some quickness, some. Some power. But Mason Graham finished. This guy doesn't know how to do that yet. But I think that there's some ability there to be a really good player.

[B]

We have kind of a unique perspective here because Joe Cullen is the defensive line coach for the Chiefs, and Joe Cullen recruited us to play. Play at the University of Richmond.

[A]

Did you see recently, Gerald McCoy tweeted out, there's only one Joe Cullen in the world.

[B]

I retweeted, yeah, it's unbelievable.

[A]

Or reposted on X.

[B]

We're talking about an explosive three technique was what Peter woods is.

[A]

And that is Joe House's coaching. Yeah. Wheelhouse. No question.

[B]

He. If I have heard that man yell, get off.

[A]

He's a. He's a Boston guy. I would say like Med Medford ever.

[B]

Okay, no, no, not Everett.

[A]

No, it was Malden or Medford. You're right.

[B]

Yeah, one of those. Yeah.

[A]

But one of the.

[B]

Quincy.

[A]

No, that was Dave Carney, my roommate from Richmond. Anyway, he was a Richmond Spiders coach and he was. You talk about officer gentleman, like, just like respectful. Everything's about respect and doing it the right way. And a great football coach at the end of the day, but an absolute character. And this was like when he was a young puppy, he was coaching us as young puppies. Pups, right. And he just, get off, get off, get off. And Mark Megna, who went. Who got drafted in the NFL late rounds and played a little while and has gone on to do some great things down in south South Florida and was still a friend to this day. And. But Mark was perfect for him because Mark was undersized.

[B]

Get off, get off the ball. Explosive play one gap stuff, be violent with your hands.

[A]

Technique. And the efficiency of technique that he trained Mark for was a. We got firsthand in practice every day to see what was going to be the future for Joe Cullen as he'd gone in the NFL and become one of the best. I would argue the best. And it doesn't matter because I'm biased, but people like Gerald McCoy are saying he's the best interior defensive line coach

[B]

and he will settle for nothing less than your best.

[A]

And Peter woods just.

[B]

You better pack a lunch.

[A]

Peter woods you better be prepared. But Peter woods, you just got handed a lottery ticket with this man because if there's anyone who can do it and get the best out of you, it is absolutely Joe Cullen. So that's a great point by you mentioned. So Omar Cooper then goes number 30. The New York jets, we thought might

[B]

take him at 16.

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At one point we thought that was a possibility. And we had said all along, if any position is going to fall, it's going to be those wide receivers. They did a little bit, but this is where even in the mock draft I had these wide receivers coming off late. And recently we saw, we saw Casey Concepcion go 24 to Cleveland and now the New York Jets. And you talk about the jets, right? First of all, just playing games all week and I love it. I'm here for all of it. With that first pick they get David Bailey, so an established, established pass rusher with that first pick. Then at 16 they wind up and going and get Kenyan Sadiq. They're building this roster, folks, for 20, 27 and Gino, have fun with it when it's enough games. So we all have a job next year. But this isn't the mantra. But like in big picture, don't win too many games because we want to have the first. We want to have a high enough pick where we can package our three first round picks to go get an Arch Manning or go get a Dante Moore next year. That's it. And in the meantime, we have ripped down this roster and we are building it back up and we're doing so with draft picks and smart decisions. And so far you got to love what they've done because now on the, on the offensive side, you got Kenyon Siddiq and tight end. They, by the way, have Mason Taylor from a year ago.

[B]

Mason Taylor too, which we should have talked about earlier because I think that that slides Mason Taylor into that number two role. They're going to use some two tight end sets.

[A]

He's.

[B]

I think that locks him a little bit, right.

[A]

And so. And you get Frank Reich, who's there as the offensive coordinator, and they're going to do. They're going to do Frank Reich things. And, and also now you've got a receiver in Omar Cooper Jr. Who I don't think you can say enough good things about.

[B]

No, I mean, I mean, yes, I'm agreeing with you.

[A]

Yeah. No, you can't say enough good things about it. You said it the right way. So, yeah, I mean, the jets, you pair him up with Garrett Wilson, a healthy Garrett Wilson. And now you're talking about establishing what you're trying to do. I think Omar Cooper Jr. The thing that always stood out to me with Omar Cooper Jr. Is his toughness and competitiveness and his contact balance and the things that he did after the catch, but not lost on me, is how damn good his hands are, man. Like, his hands when I just watching him, the confidence he has catching the football, the ability to. The strength, you know, and the ability to pluck and transition upfield is what leads to a lot of his yards after catch. And the inside outside flexibility, too. That's a big thing for Cooper. He spent a lot. 605. 605of his 751shotshot last year for the national championship team were in the slot, but prior to that it was on the perimeter. So he's a guy who can play inside and out. He's not that big. Obviously. It's 6 foot 199, but he's not that small either. He's like the thick, compact guy that's.

[B]

That's a normal size receiver. Now.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. He's not a 6, 2, 63 guy, but he's not like a small guy for. I guess I say that because he's a slot receiver. So you think like, oh, he's five' 10, five' 11. He's not. And yeah, I just. He forced 27 missed tackles in 20, 25. And he doesn't do it with this blazing speed. He's a 4, 42 guy. It's really fast, but it's not like that. And he's not. He's like, he's catch, accelerate, and then like break a tackle, move around. It's my alarm. It's. It's. It's 8 o'. Clock. It's 8 o' clock Pacific time. We should be on the 30th pick. Is that right? Are we? All right. So anyway, so Omar Cooper Jr. Is an awesome. Is an awesome pick there. Keldrick Falk goes next to Tennessee. These teams are not waiting for their guy. And these are two players that I had to have in the first round because they're two of the players that I absolutely loved. And I know you did. You did with Omar Cooper Jr. I don't know if you and I ever agreed on Keldrick Falk, but Keldrick Falk.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You're a Falk fan, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Falker, give them. Give me something on Falk.

[B]

I mean, he. He looks like an NBA swing player, but he is 200. What is he, 280 pounds? He is, he carries his 276 pounds. He carries his weight like he looks like a much lighter player. He's 20 years old. He is going. He is, he's just scratching the surface. And this dude, he is athletic. I think he can play anywhere along the defensive front. The sky's the limit for him.

[A]

Get on our website by the way. We haven't promoted this enough. They're keeping up with it. All the picks are up there. It's, it's the ringer.com mcshay like you're not going to find a better scouting report for all these players if a player's drafted for your team. Or you're just interested in every one of these picks which makes you just as equally a lunatic like us. And I love it. Like I'm just looking at Keldrick Falk right now. Like the versatility is high, the toughness and motor is elite. The versus the run is elite and the pass rush is not where it needs to be. He's one of the youngest players in this draft class. He just turned 21 last month. He has his pass rush win weight, win rate was 11.4. That would have been the lowest of the top 1010 edge rushers in this class. Okay. But I see oozing potential on tape with him. And yeah, I'm the guy who was a Stewart last year, loved him and maybe the guys that I'm fighting with on the phone from scouts and some, some executives if you will, the directors and GMs. Some guys just won't look at prospects if the sack production's not there. And yes, for every tread there's rashawn Gary, there's 10 other fail outs and forever this is the argument that I'm getting all the time. For every Daniel Hunter there's ton of 10 other guys that were drafted too early who didn't have SAC production. I would not. I was a dog with a bone on this guy.

[B]

Yeah, don't bet against him. I would not.

[A]

He's got. And you know what? I loved watching when he kicked inside on passing downs and just the image I still have of watching him on tape. This guy who is six five, he's six six right 276 pounds as you covered with 33 and 3.8inch or 34 and 3.8inch arm length and the quick takeoff that he has and watching these guards with the 32 inch arms who are like 6:1. It looked like like a weird situation where you dropped like some middle school kids off at an NBA practice. It just didn't look right. And I'm thinking to myself, not only with the quickness and the length and I know NFL guards are different than college guards, but a lot of these college guards that I'm watching, the SEC are going to go on and play in the NFL. And then the passing windows, the that he's disrupting, I don't know, man. Right off the jump, Right off the jump. The Tennessee Titans get a badass run stopping defensive lineman and then they get the opportunity to move him inside in that defensive scheme with Salah with the, the front, he's a perfect fit.

[B]

I love this fitness K. This is what this guy can do.

[A]

Amen, brother. Like I, I think that this is, this is going to be a great home. And I really like what Tennessee. I mean they surprised us with Carnell Tate, but I love the fact that they went and they took the seventh player at four overall. I'm not complaining about it. Just they surprised us a little bit. But I love the commitment they showed to offense first. And then they come back right away and they get a defensive front guy for Salah. So this is, this is a pretty good start for the Tennessee Titans. And I like with Mike Borgonzi, man, not just because he's a masshole like us, but he gets it and he's got some, he's got three damn good coaches, man. Like he, he that coaching staff that Borgonzi and the ownership group put together with Brian Dable who was up for a couple more head jobs, the way he's developed quarterbacks, what he did with Josh Allen, now he has Cam Ward, Gus Bradley and his history in the NFL to go along with Robert Salah. Like I'm not saying this is going to be fourth pick to the super bowl like we saw last year with New England. It's a little different, but I don't know that it's like totally, totally different with the record. I mean the schedule they have coming up. I think Tennessee and the Giants are going to be the two teams picking in the top like seven. What?

[B]

The pick is in?

[A]

Oh, the pick is in. Mencha's ready to get out of here?

[B]

I guess.

[A]

No. Who is it?

[B]

Jadarian Price.

[A]

Yeah. We knew it. I just couldn't cave, man. I couldn't give him Jadarian Price. This is the guy that you don't like. So I'll handle this.

[B]

It's obviously a need.

[A]

I just. Yeah, you really don't like Jadarian Price. I. I like him. I didn't think he's worth 32. They probably tried to trade out. The problem that John Schneider had is that all the trades were made before him, no one else.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it got trade happen.

[A]

I mean, look at all these trades that happened. And we'll get to Jadarian in a minute. After we had. Okay, so we didn't have a trade in the first five picks. We had that Chiefs trade, right, 6 and 9. Then we had. New York's pick was traded, but not tonight. Then we had the flip flop at 11 and 12. We didn't have another trade, folks, until 20. And then all of a sudden at 23, right? That was 23 and 26 and 27 and 28 and 29 wasn't.

[B]

That was.

[A]

Yeah, that was already happened. The jets at. The jets at 30 moved back in. The Titans at 31 moved back in. They weren't waiting. And so all of a sudden John Schneider's like, all right, fine. I told you I wanted to take this guy anyway. So I'm taking Jadarian Price. Jadarian Price is the other Notre Dame running back. That's how everyone knows him, right? Didn't get a lot of opportunity to catch the ball, but by all accounts, he catches the ball pretty well. I think he has a fascinating run style. I like the way he runs. It's like this, like Sonic the Hedgehog, almost like it's like the lower is always moving. It's like this forward lean about him. And the thing I saw on tape, which was kind of unique, is he would get stop dead in his tracks and all of a sudden it's like. It's like the character's still going. And he like, it's not like this acceleration as much as, like, it's just one speed. Go. And he shows up at the combine. He's 5. He's a 511, he's 203 pounds. He's not the biggest back. Runs a 4, 4, 9, which is a good time, but you got other guys running four threes, like left and right and low four fours. There was nothing super special about the combine either. So you've got this guy who's got really good, like, really good run skills to the outside, who's never caught the ball well, but catches the. Never caught the ball because he's behind Jeremiah Love, but he catches the ball well. He's been awesome as kick returner. Averaged 37.8 yards per kick return and three touchdowns in college. That's like weirdly Productive. Okay. And he fumbled three times even though he just got 113 carries. So there's all these things, but he's the second most talented running back in this class. And so they identified the talent, and he had 9.4 carries per game was all he had. So he's coming into the league without a lot of, you know, with a lot of tread left on his tires. Okay. He averaged six yards per carry. And. And. And they believe in his run style. And you know what? They. They identified Walker iii and. And they believe that he can be the guy. They had to let him go, and he winds up in. In Kansas City. And so Kenneth Walker's gone. Jadarian Price comes in, and we'll see how this all works out. It's a little early for me. I'll be honest. I've got him at. And. But here's the thing with John. He's not afraid to do this. We've seen this in many other times. And he clearly built back up. And we gave him all the praise in the world. And I called it before last year when they made the move to let Geno go and they made the move to let DK Metcalf go, I said he's getting back to his roots. He's going to build this thing. It's going to be fast, and he's going to go after it like gangbusters. I didn't think it was going to be that fast, and I didn't know if Sam. And I love Sam, and Sam was my guy forever. And I was just hopeful that Sam could get. And he did. But now you take a back. A running back this early, and I know his information was he was going to go. They wanted to trade back. They didn't trade back. Engineering. Price is going to become, you know, at least in a rotation, but he's going to become a major part of this offense next year. Is the. Is the reigning super bowl champions.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Kenneth Walker, he's.

[C]

Huh.

[B]

Kenneth Walker's bigger, faster, stronger, and they took him later. I mean, I think generic price. He'll be fine. You left. You didn't. You could have gotten a Colton hood here. The corner from Tennessee, you get a little deeper corner. I know that they don't feel like it's a huge knee, but Tariq Willand just left.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know.

[B]

It feels real early to me.

[A]

Yeah. But you just know he's going to be good. But what you could have gotten. I hear you. Yeah. I hear you. It's not my favorite pick but I. But. But we knew it was coming. It was just a matter could they trade back and get a little better value for it that we knew.

[B]

I hate going against Schneider because he's such a good. He's such a good GM like it's hard to like what do you know? Bench.

[A]

Yeah. And he would. He would sit here right now and be like yeah, go bleep yourself. How many Super Bowls as he should. I got two.

[B]

As exactly as he should and I hate it. But like that.

[A]

I mean head back to the hotel and see if what restaurants have to

[B]

ask with the combine next year. Why I took a running back too early.

[A]

Best available. Everyone else are catching their breath or is it just me? That went fast. What time is it?

[B]

8:11.

[A]

8:11. We started what, five, three hours and 11 minutes in this things over. That's wild.

[B]

It ripped and there was a ton of trades. Usually the trades would.

[A]

We had years where it went almost six, six hours.

[B]

I think the longest was over seven hours.

[A]

Yeah we were talking about that earlier. So Keldrick fall. Let me just clear off this board. We got best available in front of us. Denzel Boston. Not shocking. Didn't go in the first round. Colton. But. But we admittedly are higher than him. Higher on him than some people. But I would suspect looking at round two tomorrow. Right.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That he will be off the board very, very early with San Francisco sitting there needing a wide receiver. Arizona, I don't know. I'll tell you what I know they don't want to take another wide receiver that looks like the guy that they missed on. But Denzel Boston with Josh Allen would be pretty fucking cool, man. Yeah, Raiders. Oh my gosh, the Raiders could use him. In fact, I don't be shy. I don't know if they can afford to move up and get picked to give away picks, but I'd like to see the Raiders get aggressive and go get him anyway. Denzel Boston, wide receiver out of Washington is still available. He's the highest player on the board. The rest of these guys we thought could go either way. And honestly we knew one of these receivers there was a chance didn't make it in. Colton Hood, the cornerback from Tennessee. We talked about who's going to go ahead of Jamaican McCoy, presumably because he's healthier. But McCoy went healthy in 2024, was the best cornerback in this draft class. And it's a shame that what's happened because. Yeah, but you know Will Johnson, the same thing happened last year going in the Second round isn't the worst thing in the whole world and he's going to get an opportunity to come in and prove that he's healthy enough to go become a starter right away. In between there Kaden McDonald, a player that we both really like, but he's. He doesn't have the pass rush ability. And when Caleb Banks, even though he's half the consistency and half the health of Kaden McDonald, twice the pass rusher and twice the potential to provide that in the NFL. So he goes ahead of him. T.J. throw that back up for once. Actually I can look here, it's fine. But TJ Parker and Zion Young are the two guys that we were hoping would get in the first round because we just love the. I love Zion Young's tape. I think Parker, there's more there. Those guys will come off the board early. Emanuel, McNeil, Warren, this is about where he belongs. This is going to be early second round.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

I loved his tape at first. Then you put in all the factors and the 40 and he's the second round safety all day and he's going to be a really good player. Trade in Stukes is the hot name man, nickel safety, he's going to come off the board fast. Jacob Rodriguez, another hot name linebacker. Those inside linebackers. We're going to have a little run on the inside linebackers tomorrow. Jacob Rodriguez is going to kick things off. Probably Jake galde from Cincinnati, C.J. allen from, from Georgia. There's going to be some inside linebackers. That cornerback board is going to go fast tomorrow, folks. We've got Colton Hood as we Talked about, Jermaine McCoy beyond that, with some edge rushers and some offensive linemen. Beyond that, we're going to have this little run of the Avion. Terrell from Clemson, right. Brandon Sisay from, from South Carolina. There's another one. I'm thinking D' Angelo Pons. D' Angelo Pons. Before those two guys would get ranked 45. So tomorrow's going to be a blast and then we'll get into the later portions of tomorrow day, day two and it's going to be fascinating because I'm hearing all sorts of stuff and I get it. They're backups. Why do we care? Todd, those quarterbacks. Because some people think absolutely tailing Green's going and it could go in the second. Some teams are a lot higher on my guy Cole Payton than others. But the most, the majority of people I talk to, it's two quarterbacks that I just, I'm cool with. I'M good. Drew Aller, Penn State, Carson Beck, Miami and Carson Beck grew back on. Grew on me a little bit this year and I get it. But he's going to go. He's probably going to go in the second from what I hear. And then Gareth Nussmeier, who I just love. I got to think for I Listen, I'm a 61 quarterback who sucked, so I'm rooting for the 61 quarterbacks who are good. Yeah. So we're back on at 3:00pm Pacific. I love when Tucker does that to me. 6:00pm Eastern. Okay. And I want to give a special shout to everyone involved.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, Dan has been grinding around the clock. Tucker is phenomenal. We've got a group back here with Chris and the gang. Like Marissa, Jesse Free is like Abu has been cutting clips non stop for us. Marissa's been keeping us like on top of everything is running. If you're watch, if you're on Social tonight and you see the creativity and you see like how quick things are coming out and see some of the stuff that's being produced, it ain't me. I think you know that about me by now. Like that the graphics, the things that she's building Abu with, the clips that he does, like, those are things that are so far beyond anything that you and I are capable of.

[B]

Did you say Dan? We said Dan. Right.

[A]

I started with Dan.

[B]

Good. I want to make sure.

[A]

Started with Dan. I want to make sure Dan. Dan has poured everything he has into this thing. And like everyone from Bill Simmons was great being on his show the other day and the support he has provided for this show and you're even needing like when Todd calls and asks for something like yeah. And he said I buckle up. And it's not because I, because I believe so much in what we're doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the people that we're doing it with that we need to take care of the people. And we, and I think this product shows what we're. We're just scratching the surface of. And even like Noah comes into our lives just to feel a few weeks ago and all of a sudden we've got. We get video and clips and we're on the catapult. And there have been and my gosh, Connor, Connor, like is oversees all of this and has been an absolute wonderful human being to work with and has managed me when I needed to be managed and both positively and negatively.

[B]

Like what a fun job that is.

[A]

Yeah, I know. But he is, he's just, he's handled all this so. And I'm missing 10 other people, but we'll get to all of it tomorrow. But I just want to give a special shout to everyone because this is, this is an important night for us and there are a lot of people who've been working on this and we're pumped that you joined us for the show. We will be back tomorrow. As we said, 6:00pm, 6:00pm Eastern, the draft starts. It's round two and three on day two. It's Friday. It's back on Netflix. It's 6:00pm we are going to be on. The draft starts at 7:00pm Those are Eastern time. So 3:00pm Pacific is when the draft starts. And 2. No. Am I getting that right?

[B]

No, you right.

[A]

Yeah. We started 3 Pacific and 4 Pacific is when we get going, when the draft gets going. And we got a lot of picks tomorrow night. They're going to go fast again. Discord. Go to McShay at McShay 13. Just click the link. We'll be back tomorrow. Hey, don't tip picks. Come on. You got Cole Marie kicked out of the Discord chat tonight because she's pissed off. You're. I'm pissed off. Don't tip picks. Discord. No, no. But other than that, I'm pumped that everyone was there and we'll get more involved tomorrow night when things start to slow down here. But this was a wild first round. We enjoyed the hell out of it, man.

[B]

It was so much fun.

[A]

Would you got anything to say to everyone? I mean, I just, I, I was.

[B]

Yeah, you just.

[A]

You.

[B]

You don't leave any space for me to say anything. You know what I mean?

[A]

But Mensch had a lot of fun tonight, too, I promise you. And we'll be back tomorrow. Can't wait to see you. Thanks for joining. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. For kansas in affiliation with kansas star casino or 18 plus and present in d.c. kentucky or wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-gambler or 1-800-my-reset. Call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in connecticut or visit md gambling help.org in maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in massachusetts or call 1-877-8-hope ny or text hope ny in new york. For louisiana, call 1-877-7707.