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Nussmeier’s Hand Size and Other Senior Bowl Numbers to Know. Plus, Sam Darnold Scouting Redemption.
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Todd McShay
The Seattle and New England NFL markets are celebrating their birth to the super bowl. The other 30 all eyes are here in Mobile, Alabama. It's day one of the senior Bowl. We're getting ready for a great week of practice leading up to the Senior bowl game on Saturday. And I got news for you, Mensch. Only 86 days until the NFL draft. Minch, you good?
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Matt Mensch
I'm great, man.
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Todd McShay
Roll that beat, T. Can you believe we're here?
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Matt Mensch
Mench it's been kind of wild with the weather, the travel, so I'm excited we're here.
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Todd McShay
The good thing about Mench is he doesn't get nervous about travel, doesn't get nervous about weather. He wasn't yelling at me because I was going 86 into 70 mph yesterday driving in from New Orleans, freezing rain to Mobile. But we've had we actually had a nice start to the trip. We went to New Orleans. The McShay show is presented by FanDuel. Playoff mode is on and FanDuel's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live and offers to boost your winnings every game day. Don't miss out on any playoff action on FanDuel. Download the FanDuel app or head to FanDuel.com McShay that's FanDuel.com McShray to get started, must be 21 and older in present in select states or 18 and older in present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. Cochon Butcher.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah, great, man.
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Todd McShay
If you're ever in New Orleans and you need a brunch or a lunch, look at the hat. But we're here and we it's been an interesting week because weather has affected the Senior bowl, there's no question. But not as much as you would think, right? Let's get the negative out of the way first. There were some players that were hopeful to come, and all of them from the national championship game, all of them. Understandable excuse. You got to understand if you played Miami or Indiana just a week ago today, you were finishing up the national championship. You didn't get back to campus until Tuesday. Really. Maybe in the early hours, you didn't get back home, wherever that is, probably until the following day or whenever. So the thought of then having to get everything sorted, come back to Mobile, you know, fly up to Mobile with the weather, with all the conditions with it being, you know, a cooler week here, I think it became for a select few, a little bit too much. And those select few are all first, second, maybe worst case, third rounders. So that probably factored into it. The names Ruben Bane, Edge from Miami, Akeem Messador, Edge for Miami, Keonte Scott, defensive back, versatile defensive back from Miami. We thought Elijah Surratt, the wide receiver from Indiana, and d' Angelo Ponce, the cornerback from. From Indiana as well. So those are the five players when last week we spoke to Drew, the executive director from the Senior bowl, and Fabianic, and he was hopeful that they were going to be here.
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Todd McShay
I remember thinking, Remember I was like, we're fired up.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Like there's no really.
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Matt Mensch
Right.
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Todd McShay
And that speaks to their compete level. And the way the way all those.
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Matt Mensch
Guys compete on tape made me think.
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Todd McShay
Maybe there's a chance. And I made the correlation to. I forget which draft. It was like 15 years ago with 2009, I want to say USC linebackers. So it was like 17 years ago, actually. The USC linebackers, Luga, Cushing, Matthews. But then I went back and looked. They were 12 and 1 their final year. They won the Rose bowl against Penn State. And they had about 20 day, like three weeks, right. Leading up. We were talking like six days, five days before in terms of like traveling here when all the players came in, the most of the players came early on Saturday. So with that said, yeah, those five guys won't be here. And we were kind of hopeful that maybe three or four of them would be, but there's still a great group. And speaking of the weather and some of the logistical challenges, some guys got in late today on Monday, but most of them booked. When we talked to Drew, there were like 54 guys that wound up coming in on Saturday. So because there was a rolling. And not that this really matters to all of you, but we're gonna share it anyway. And by the way, thank you for watching. We're gonna be live all week on YouTube and we're thrilled about it. 7 Central, 8 Eastern, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, right after practice. Also check it out on Thursday on we're doing some Instagram live throughout the week right after the first practice, right after the second practice mention, I will give you like the one, one or two big things to take aways from each practice before we race over here to the convention center where the radio row is set up and give you a Full Hour Show, 7 to 8pm Central, 8 to 9 Eastern Time on YouTube, the McShay show page on YouTube and my Instagram as I look over to Marisa is McShay13, is that correct? Tmcshade13. See, that's why I asked. So that's how you can find us all week long. But the weigh ins were a little bit different this year. We found out last night as I was trying to dig to what time, what time are the weigh ins? On Monday morning they did a rolling weigh in. So people from the National Scouting, the National Scouting Service, they have scouts. And so as you checked in as a player, you would get your height, your weight, wingspan, hand span, arm length. Right. And so as they finally got it all together, we got our trusty little board here. The measurements were finally done this morning, but not in a normal fashion. Cattle prodding, you know, 100 plus players and spandex walking through. It's kind of more comfortable this way, to be honest with you.
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Matt Mensch
Are you nervous though? Do you remember what happened last year?
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Todd McShay
What?
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Matt Mensch
The numbers of the combine were far different than the numbers here.
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Todd McShay
Do you remember that? Of course I did. And there are some. But a lot of, a lot of them became, they were negative numbers here. You know, shorter arms, smaller hands, not as tall, you know. So when we go through some of the things that stood out, you're hopeful that they're accurate for the ones that are really positive and you're hopeful, well, maybe when they get to the combine it will even itself out. Maybe, maybe an eight and a half hand span as we'll get to in a second will be closer to like a 9 and 18 inch hand spanning. We won't have to deal with the, you know, Kenny Pickett situation leading up to the entire draft where that's all we seem to talk about. So with that all said, I've talked too much as usual. I'm going to throw it to you. The weigh ins.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
What stood out to you in terms of some of the measurements as we and practice, by the way, starts on Tuesday, three days of practice, as we mentioned. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Today was about weigh ins. A lot of, you know, players getting settled in, some community service things that go on here is a lot more than just the football practices here. So players taking care of their business. But the weigh ins and the measurements are kind of the biggest thing that usually come out of Monday and the Senior Bowl.
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Matt Mensch
Right. So you were my first player that jumped out when I was looking at these numbers.
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Todd McShay
Yes, sir.
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Matt Mensch
I promise this won't all be negative, but Vanderbilt quarterback Diego Diego Pavia, I can never get it out right.
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Todd McShay
You got it right.
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Matt Mensch
Just under 5 foot 10, 198 pounds. Put that in perspective. He's shorter than Kyler Murray was at his combine and he's about nine pounds lighter. You love the bravado, you love the production. You know, it's easy to root for the kid with his story, but I think a lot of GMs are going to look at that number and say, I'm going to have a hard time projecting him as a quarterback in the NFL. Those are, those are red flags.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. Can we keep going or we're going.
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Matt Mensch
To go back and forth here?
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Todd McShay
Yeah, we can go back and forth. Garrett Nussmeier is another one that is not nearly to the level of Diego Pavia, but Garrett Nussmayer, LSU quarterback, obviously injured all season long. You got to go back to the 2024 tape with him and I'll get into his whole story and kind of what I'm looking forward to in a little bit. But Nussmeyer was 6:1, which has become like, that's okay, right? I remember 6:1 used to be like, whoa. Now it's fine. 202 a little bit. You like a little bit thicker, you know, build, but just over £200. The thing that jumped out, obviously. And I'm not gonna do a big hand span thing with folks. It is what it is. Some guys it works, some guys it doesn't. He his was and the Mendoza Line if you will. The bar is 9 inch hand span which you measure from there to there. I won't do it on my left hand as I still have a sliced open thumb, but. But his was 8 1/3 inch. So how does that affect you? Rain, precipitation, gripping the ball, ball security. These are things that will be, you know, kind of heavily scrutinized throughout the process and you'll see crazy stuff like we did with Jared Goff. I remember at Cals pro day where a quarterback coach from Cleveland, I think it was at the Time was making was standing behind him in an absolute sweat, just going crazy, dunking balls into a water and handing it to him to have him go throw. That's how insane people get around this, this time of year. But that was one that jumped out to me.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah, another one. Again we'll get more positive but Texas Tech edge Romello going into this week. We talked about the concern with his size. Look, the guy had 10 sacks this year. I love his tape. He can get after the quarterback, but he's an edge who's 6002 3. So just over 6 foot 2 and 234 pounds with 32 and 3 quarter inch arms. You know, that's just, that's undersized for an edge. He's going to have to be a guy. I think the plays in outside linebacker and a baseball, three man front and I mean he could be really good in that role but the tape is going to be better than the measurables for this kid and it's going to scare off some teams, it's going to cause him to drop a little bit.
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Todd McShay
Let's get into some positives. Yeah, let's do that.
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Matt Mensch
I would rather do that.
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Todd McShay
Taylor Green tape's not awesome.
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Matt Mensch
He went negative right away.
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Todd McShay
Awesome athlete. And we'll, we'll. I'm really curious to watch him this week in NFL style, offense, throwing the ball, intermediate anticipation throws, all those things. But if you're looking for like a day three developmental prospect, I think of Joe Milton with the big arm, the size, athleticism, all those things. Someone who can develop into a backup and come in and kind of be a curveball, a change up to the starting quarterback and win games. With his unique skill set, he's an intriguing prospect to watch. We knew he was big. We knew he had like the physical features that you look for in a developmental guy, but it was legit 6, 6, legit 229 legit 10 inch hand span. This guy's a big dude. I think that, I mean, I know it's one of those things like yo, it's real. You know when you see it in person, as a coach here who's not been on the scouting trail all year long and the first thing they did, they're like nudge him on the scouts. Tell me about that guy. Tell me about him. All right, what do you got?
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Matt Mensch
As a coach, you got to believe that you can unlock that you're going to be the guy who's going to get those tools. To do what? Yeah, to get to that level. Jennings Dunker, the right tackle from Iowa is interesting to me. I think he's going to start his career at guard. I still think that's true. I think coming out of Iowa that run heavy offense play action needs to get more true pass sets under his belt and get more consistent pass production. But he had 34 inch arms and to me that's a guy that maybe could play some right tackle in the league eventually. I think that's a good, a good note for him in terms of that versatility. Now there are other offensive tackles that I'm sure if people have seen these numbers they're going to want to talk about Illinois's J.C. davis and Arizona State's Max Iheanachor who both had 34 inch plus arms. But that number jumped out for me because I really like dunkers tape as a run blocker, both as a zone and a man gap guy. He's one of those guys that's just aggressive physical blocking to the whistle, fun player to watch. If he can get develop as a pass blocker I now know that he has the length maybe play outside. That's again it's a good, it's a positive for him.
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Todd McShay
My prediction is as we get closer to this year's draft in April that these offensive tackles that have kind of been under the radar not getting a lot of attention. I feel like everyone knows about Fanu from, from the Utah guys, the two guys, Lomu, Caleb Lomu and Spencer Lomo and Spencer Fano and obviously Maui Noah from Miami.
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Matt Mensch
Right.
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Todd McShay
Those are, those are the two guys. Really like if you look at a mock draft or the rankings, it's Fano and Maui Noah. Blake Miller from Clemson is a first round draft break. I keep telling men Mench is going to get back to me after I.
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Matt Mensch
Don'T know the Georgia offensive tackle.
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Todd McShay
I was just Miller and Freeling.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah. Monroe Freeling.
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Todd McShay
Monroe Freeling. Blake Miller. Monroe Freeling. Remember those names. Here we are. What is 26 January? Just talking to scouts now as everyone's kind of converging on mobile and getting text even this morning about about Blake Miller. This offensive tackle class is better than Kaden Proctor.
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Matt Mensch
You know we mentioned him really quickly.
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Todd McShay
Correct. All right. Big wide receivers is where I'm going next. We talked to when we talked to Drew the Dallas Cowboys parcels don't bring me small players, all that stuff. But to see the legitimate numbers on some of these guys, you don't know coming into a year he's listed but what is he legit? Jacoby Lane from USC and Malachi Fields from Notre Dame. Two big guys, big programs, vertical ability, contested catches. They showed up and physically they're what you expect. Now Lane is a lean guy as we've known. He didn't have the reception total that you would expect from a 6 foot 4. He's a 6 041, which means 6, 4 and 18 of an inch, but only 196 pounds. But 10 and 38 inch hands, massive hands, long arms, 32 and 58 inches. So that's what you want. Like tall, big hands, length contested. Only 49 catches this past year, but 745 yards. Average over 15 yards per catch. Opposite Makai Lemon who, who had a monster year unbelievably. Then Malachi Fields for Notre Dame. 630 receiving yards, but averaged 17.5 yards per catch. Okay, so those are two guys. And Fields was six, four straight up six zero four zero, 218 long arms to 32 and 32 and a half inch arms. But a weird part on him, only eight. I saw that he had Garrett Nussmeier handspan.
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Matt Mensch
I was wondering if you're gonna mention.
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Todd McShay
That eight and three quarter inch hands. And there were a couple other guys like Caleb Douglas from Texas Tech. Ted Hurst is a name that you're gonna start to hear. We'll talk about him throughout the week. From Georgia State, who had over a thousand receiving yards this past year. Both guys over six' three, you know, big, well put together dudes, longer arms. Both 33 plus inch arms as well.
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Matt Mensch
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna give you a twofer. Okay, we're gonna go with the Texas A and M offensive tackles. We'll start with Demetrius Crownover. Just under six'7,331 pounds. He had the longest arms of any of the offensive tackles here. 35 and 5 inch arms. It's important for a guy like him. He's a big right tackle. He was a two year starter. He's got some heavy feet. If you're not going to be the an elite athlete at offensive tackle, that length can really come into play for you. Interested to see how he competes? If that shows up this week, that's a really good no for him. Trey Zoon, now the tackle who's at the left tackle for Texas A and M. A four year starter in the SEC. At left tackle, 32 and 78 inch arms. And that could be alarming if you're thinking this guy's an offensive tackle. But I think the reality is that most teams already knew about This. I think most teams saw him as an interior offensive lineman. I'm not overly worried about it. I do think that if you're going to play for four years and the SEC with short arms, you move well and that shows up on tape. One of the great things about the Senior bowl is guys can come here and maybe they weren't at their natural position in college and they get to kick inside now, like Zun. We saw this with Zabel last year out of North Dakota State where he shined after he kicked inside. So it might be. You might look at this and think it's a down day for Trey Zoom iii. But the reality is, I think once he gets on the field and shows what he can do, he's gonna leave here as a guy.
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Todd McShay
Will Campbell has short arms.
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Matt Mensch
He's a guy that's. By the way, Will Campbell's not played great in the playoffs.
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Todd McShay
He did not. No, I know. So. But you're gonna. Because of short arms.
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Matt Mensch
But he's gonna go from a guy that you might look at and be.
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Todd McShay
Like, yeah, I'm kind of done with the short arms and tackle thing. I guess that's my point.
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Matt Mensch
Come on. It shows up.
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Todd McShay
It shows up. But, like, you either can do it or you can't. And is Will Campbell, because he got nicked up and he's not 100% like he was early in the year, or is it because they finally realized 14 games into the year that he had short arms and how to attack? I don't.
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Matt Mensch
I'm just do go watch. When he was going against elite pass rushes, he struggled this year. It wasn't just.
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Todd McShay
I'm not disagreeing and. But we didn't love his tape as much as we. Yeah, I was surprised he was playing so well early in the season. I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see, but I, I, Yeah, I just. We spend a time on arm length and tackles and I kind of just want to talk about the tape more this year. Yeah, I'm good.
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Matt Mensch
I'm. Listen, I'm good with that. I just think there's a reality here that that guy's gonna have to kick.
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Todd McShay
Inside as we do a whole segment on measurables. I promise the show is going to get more fun in a minute. Last guy for me, Chris McClellan, defensive tackle from Missouri, six, three and a third. The only reason I mentioned this guy is he can pass rush. And we know about a lot of the other, like, mention we'll get to a couple defensive tackles with bigger Names from bigger, not bigger programs. Missouri. That would be an Insults.
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Matt Mensch
Not at all.
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Todd McShay
A bigger names that got like, just got more attention throughout the year or the last couple years. But Chris McClellan's a name that keeps. Keep hearing from scouts. Keep an eye on this guy. Watched a little bit of his tape. Just getting ready for here. He can rush the quarterback. Then you see him show up. 603-363-38 inch, 315 pounds, massive hands, 10 and almost 11 inch handspan and 34 inch arm length. Okay. That's like a dream at defensive tackle.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Anything else?
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Matt Mensch
You called it coming in. I'm just going to head on to Arkansas corner Julian Neal real quick. 12 passes defended in 20. In 20, 25. Shows up here. He's 6014-202-lbs with 33 and an eighth inch arms for a corner. You see it on tape, the way he reaches in and breaks out.
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Todd McShay
He's a Seahawk.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Yes.
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Matt Mensch
He's a Legion of Doom kind of a player. Even the way he's. You see the way he reaches in and breaks up passes. But he also separates the receiver from the ball with the way he closes and hits.
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Todd McShay
And if Reek Wolin doesn't clean up his act, maybe they.
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Matt Mensch
Maybe he will be a Seahawk. We'll see.
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Todd McShay
All right, I will. Now, more importantly, as we're here and we've sifted through guys who didn't make it, weren't able to make it. Not a big list, but certainly some, some bigger name guys. You go back to the drawing board. We get the, like the updated roster. It's all locked in. They've replaced the players who weren't able to come. And you're looking at it. And like every year we say, well, this year's class, isn't this this year's cause, but doesn't have this. But like I went back in 2013, 2014 when we said that those drafts weren't great. You know what? Pull it out. This is our show. What the hell do I like? I'm not on tv.
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Matt Mensch
I was surprised to see the names.
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Todd McShay
Right.
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Matt Mensch
I shouldn't have been, but it was.
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Todd McShay
Let's go through this a lot better.
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Matt Mensch
Than you would think.
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Todd McShay
And I got in a rabbit hole this morning. Where is. Okay, here we go. 2014, not a good draft. Remember? Like, yeah, the quarterbacks weren't good. Not a lot of Khalil Mack, Jake Matthews, Mike Evans, OBJ Aaron Donald, CJ Mosley, Brandon Cooks, Jason Verrett, Jimmy Ward, Demarcus Lawrence, Joel Batonio, Derek Carr, Kyle Van Noy, Devante Devonte Adams, Jimmy Garoppolo, Alan Robinson, Jarvis Landry, James White, Morgan Moses, Brent Urban, Daquan Jones. I could keep going. 2013 was a whole horrible draft. People at ESPN didn't even want to cover it. I remember they brought in like offensive tackles into the green room and it was like awkward. Like, this is all we got. Lane Johnson, Ezekiel Ansa, Eifert Ertz, D Hop, Kyle Long, Darius Le, Robert, words Woods, La'Veon Bell, Eddie Lacy, Monte Ball, Kevin Minter, Swearinger, Alford, Jamie Collins, Tyron Matthew, Keenan Allen Marquis Goodwin, Taron Armstead, Logan Ryan goes on. So like, I get it.
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Matt Mensch
The more I look at this roster, the more I get excited.
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Todd McShay
That's my point.
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Matt Mensch
Don't get caught up about who's not here is what you're saying.
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Todd McShay
Give me five guys right now that you like.
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Matt Mensch
Just rattle them all off.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, why not? Or. Or why don't you go two, I'll go two, and then we'll go one one.
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Matt Mensch
All right. I'm starting to think that Texas Tech defensive tackle Lee Hunter doesn't get out of the top 50. I'm really starting to see it. Man, he is.
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Todd McShay
He can rush the quarterback.
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Matt Mensch
The way he turned it on at the end of the year, I knew he was productive. Listen to this. He was at UCF for two years and then Texas Tech this past year. Over the last three years, he's had 30 tackles for loss as a defensive tackle.
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Todd McShay
That's that.
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Matt Mensch
I mean, that kind of production is rare for a guy who's 6, 034, 320 pounds.
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Todd McShay
So just over 6 foot 3, 320.
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Matt Mensch
Pounds with 34 and a quarter quarter inch arms. I'm really starting to think he's not getting out of the top 50. He could be the third or fourth.
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Todd McShay
Defense, 34 and a quarter inch arms.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah. I'm excited to see him compete this week. Also, talk about Michigan. Michigan edge. Derek Moore showed up here. He's got 34 and a quarter inch arms. When I see him on tape, I love the way that he can bring his hips and lock out with that length. When he transitions from speed to power, he does a good job of swiping guys off his frame. He had 10 sacks of year. He's a natural pass rusher. Good. Not great size, but that length is encouraging and impressive down year for Michigan. We've talked about a little bit over the course of the year and the show down here from Michigan, they still got some players. Man, Derek Moore is a dude. He's a guy to keep an eye on this week. I'm excited to see what he does.
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Todd McShay
It's interesting. When you get these lists, right, and like you get the roster and get printed out, the first thing I do is go down for whatever reason. It's just like, I guess 25 years, 26 years of doing this. Now first thing I do is go down the arm lengths.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
And look for corners with 33, defensive linemen with 34 and offensive tackles with 35 inch arms. Right. The interesting part is this year there were two defensive players with 35 plus inch arms. Caleb Banks, who I think you might get to in a little bit. We both love from Florida and Nigel Kelly from UCF both had 35 plus inch arm lengths. And you're mentioning guys with 34 plus inch arms and offensive tackles at 35 and corners with 33. That's. That's kind of why it jumps out. My list is going to be focused on guys where I really want to see an apples to apples comparison, and I really want to see them. And this is not a sight on any individual program. I want to see them away from what they were with this fall. It's like you, you want to see how does a human being in a relationship, like, maybe they kind of sucked when they were dating this person, but like they're now not dating that person. They're kind of cool. Like, oh, I didn't know. Like, you know, so like when I. When I look at the everyone on my list, it's like, can I get them away from that situation this fall that maybe was dragging them down or there was injuries and can I just see them here, Healthy, time away, fresh start, apples to apples. They're all in the same circumstances because I know they're all talented. Garrett Nussmeyer's won no run game, injured from the beginning. A lot of turmoil, turmoil in the program. Lot of dark clouds about like, is he injured? Are they forcing him? Is he forcing himself? What are the severity of the injury? We hear about this knee tendonitis. We hear about then the oblique and I'm watching me. Can't make throws. That Ole Miss game was a struggle, and I just wanted the wide receivers they brought in weren't very good. The run game was not good at all. And so I want to see him down here. And yeah, he's shorter. He's not the biggest cat, but I saw that at Manning passing academy, like, and we saw him in 2024. I just want to see Nuss Meyer with a fresh start in a. In an equal footing, right, with everybody else. The other one is my favorite. My favorite guy that's not going to be a first, second day draft pick, Sawyer Robertson. I've told the story before, I'm not going to repeat it in length, but I remember at that Manning passing academy, which can be misleading at times.
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Matt Mensch
All.
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Todd McShay
These guys, you know, the Klubnicks, the Nussmeyers, the. All the big names that were down there come up and they throw through this whole, this whole competition and they all did good. Arch, all those guys, Sellers. And then all of a sudden the Sawyer Robertson from Baylor, that kind of a, I think double transfer had all this backstory, but I didn't really know how talented he was. He goes through like 12 for 12 on the move and like. And he just walked away like, man, what's up? And then you're watching this fall and to see again, no run game, no defense, shootout every week, pinning their ears back against this cat. I want to see him down here because he's. What did he measure in at? He's a big.
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Matt Mensch
He's another nudge guy. He's another guy where scouts will be nudging them each other when they see how big that frame is and how well he moves and how well he throws the ball.
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Todd McShay
Six, three and a half, 221, nine and a half inch arm length. Arms hand span. I think he's gonna, I think he's gonna get some attention this, this week.
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Matt Mensch
He should.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Matt Mensch
All right. Am I back up?
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Todd McShay
You're back up.
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Matt Mensch
You already gave away one of my guys, so I get. I'll just get into it now.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Matt Mensch
Caleb Banks, Florida.
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Todd McShay
35 inch arm length, 35 inch arms.
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Matt Mensch
6 foot 6, 335 pounds. Did not play much this year, three games, foot injury. So it'll be good to see him back on the field, to see him moving around. I. When I watched his tape last year, I was blown away by a guy who could play up and down the defensive line. I think he's got scheme versatility, positional versatility. He can stack and get off blocks. He can get into gaps and make plays. He's a better run defender than pass rusher, but he's got all the tools to get there. If he's 90% of what he was on that tape, teams are going to be super excited about what this kid can do going into the draft.
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Todd McShay
Anyone else?
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Matt Mensch
I got a couple.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. I said 2, 2 and 1. He doesn't pay attention. Texas corner Malik Muhammad who?
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Matt Mensch
I'm gonna be honest with you. We were talking and. And I was like, I don't know, man. And Ty was like, no, go back and watch him. You're gonna like him. And I did. You know what? I love corners that do this. I love corners that have their eyes on receivers and read that break. And then as they read it and they start breaking the ball, they get their eyes on the quarterback. It's a natural thing. He's really good at it. It's come as no surprise as a kid coming out of Texas that he's, you know, very instinctive in zone. He plays the ball well. He's a little lean right now. He's 183, but just under 6ft, 32 inch arms. So he's got the frame to kind of fill out, get a little bit bigger. You want to see him do that? But he's a. He was. He's a talented corner man.
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Todd McShay
I like him.
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Matt Mensch
I'm excited to see what he does.
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Todd McShay
I like him a lot. I. I think I. He's. He ain't getting out of the second round.
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Matt Mensch
No.
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Todd McShay
I promise. No, no, no. Let's see how he performs this week and how the buzz rolls. If we maybe are talking about him late. First a couple more guys. I want him out of their system. I want them out of like what was. Bring Nicholas Singleton. You can't tell me that that production matches up with the talent Nicholas Singleton, who was like 1,000 yards. Like, I don't know what went wrong this week. I want to get the backdrop. I want to hear from scouts after they have the meetings and the team sit and meet with them, which by the way, practices are later this year. That's why we're having a 7 o' clock central, 8 o' clock PM live show each day. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday on YouTube. Because practices are now local time. We're here in Central Time, 1:30 to 3:30 and then 4 to 6 every day. So the meetings are happening in the morning, which means at night it's like the old wild, wild west where the scouts and everybody get to go out. So that'll. That'll be interesting. And men, she's going to. I'm going to put a long leash on him, but Nick, Nicholas Singleton from Penn State, five'11, 220 pounds. He can catch. He's fast, he's explosive. I'm not saying he's Travion Henderson, but I'm also not saying. I'm not saying he's that far off. Trayvon Henderson. And look at what Henderson did in the right role this year with Ramon Dre ste. Look what he's still doing going the Super Bowl. You know, I think Singleton is a guy who just kind of fell off the map this year with a Penn State program. Everything fell apart. Catron Allen became the guy and like, kudos to Katron, punched through at a big year, production wise. Record setting year for Penn State or career, I should say. But Singleton's the better player, he's the better prospect. So I want to see that here this week. Adam Randle's another one. Adam Randle. When I watched him early this year, I was like, again, I knew he was a wide receiver. Convert. I was like, yeah, he's a wide receiver. You know, like he runs high. I get it. He's big, he's, he's fast. He can catch the ball. Obviously runs high. I don't see the instinct. And then late in the season, the more I was watching, I was watching Blake Miller to get under Mench's skin and, and Adam Randle started like, oh, the instant he's sensing a cutback setting up. Oh, okay. And so now he shows up here, right? Six, two and a half, 233 pounds, 32¾ inch arm length, former wide receiver, catches the ball, got speed, like he's going to be intriguing. This running back group might be top to bottom, the most impressive that we've ever seen here. And like, because it's hard to get running backs here, it used to be where underclassmen couldn't come to the Senior bowl and all the running backs were underclassmen, so they just didn't have great guys here. And now I'm looking at this group with Singleton, Catron Allen, Adam Randle, right? And then you got Rashul Faison, who's underrated from South Carolina. Jamari Taylor, hbcu, young man who went to Virginia and just was a bowling ball, had a huge year for the Cavaliers. Kalon Black from Indiana, monster season, obviously in the one two punch with him being black and Mike Washington, who's a big bad dude coming out of Arkansas. This is going to be a fun running back class this year at the Senior Bowl.
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Matt Mensch
You know who I'm ending off with? You. I mean, again, I'm going to beat this drum until.
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Todd McShay
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Chris Johnson, San Diego State cornerback.
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Matt Mensch
Yes, it's time now. Okay, it's finally time. Like I've been hyping him up and now it's Time to see whether or not the tape is going to match what we see here going against a higher level of competition because at San Diego State it's a good program, but you're not seeing the elite receivers that you're not seeing the same kind of talented receiver that you're going to see down here. So it's a great opportunity for him. Playmaker. Four interceptions this year, two of them he returned for touchdowns. I think he's versatile, instinctive, very comfortable with his back to the line of scrimmage when he has to turn and run. Let's see if that all shows up. When you got some nerves, you're going against some better players. I'm really excited for him and I think he will come through. But now you got to put your money where your mouth is and we'll see what happens.
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Todd McShay
I also want to see this cornerback group is really good too. Colton Hood, they're maybe coming into the week and this always changes because there's always two or three guys, maybe one or two or three or four, whatever the number winds up being that are second rounders by the end of this week, we're all like, yeah, they're going first round, right? Colton Hood's coming in as a first rounder in my estimation and I expect he'll leave as a first rounder. Chris Johnson's a guy who could continue to make elite. The Tennessee is Colton Hood. Tennessee could have two first round cornerbacks drafted, obviously, but Hood showed up at just under 6 foot, 188 pounds. I'm excited to see him with that group. My final guy is TJ Parker. Again. I love Dabo, I love Clemson, I Penn State.
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Matt Mensch
Marissa's watching you right now.
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Todd McShay
I'm just saying. But certain guys like something happened, we don't know. It just wasn't what we expected and things started to snowball the wrong way. And so I'm excited to see TJ Parker here who we both watched on the summer and said he's not there yet but my gosh, if he takes that next step, we could be talking about first half, first round. And he just didn't play like that guy. But he shows up today, 6, 3, 5, 8 inches, 263 pounds, 33 and a quarter inch arms. He's powerful, he's physical. I want him to come in and kick some offensive tackles asses like physically. But then I want to see when you got him on the ropes, how are we improving all week with the hand usage and getting home? How do we get home?
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Matt Mensch
I think about Marshall's Mike Green running through Oregon offensive tackle Josh Connerly last, last year. And it was the viral moment of the Senior Bowl. And I'm not comparing TJ Parker to Mike Green, but that's kind of his game. He wants to run right through your face. So if he can have a couple of those moments where he shows up and, you know, just turn some heads and one on ones, it'll start to right the ship for him because again.
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Todd McShay
Well, Nick and Michael better be. Better be ready.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah. I mean, I don't know why you would think they better.
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Todd McShay
I know they're going, they're always ready.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah, I know they're going to be ready.
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Todd McShay
This is the best, the best crew in the business. But I mean, that became the viral moment of the, of the entire Senior bowl last year.
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Matt Mensch
But that's the kind of game that TJ Parker has. If he can do that, you're going to start building some buzz back up. And again, because 2024 tape was outstanding.
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Todd McShay
Anybody else? Are you good?
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Matt Mensch
That's it for me.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. This is going to be a fun group. This really is. I think the quarterbacks are going to grow on us as the week goes. I think the running backs are outstanding. The wide receivers are big. The cornerbacks are big and good in the running. Defensive tackle group, defensive tackle group, the edge group is the best of all of them. So this is going to be, this is going to be a fun. Wait. Couple other things I wanted to get to the McShay show is brought to you by FanDuel. It's last call for football on FanDuel. One final Sunday, one last kickoff, the final chance to place your bets before the NFL season closes its tab. And if you're a new customer, bet $5 and get $200 in bonus bets. If you win, make it count because after the super bowl, the season's over and football is officially done. Last call for football on FanDuel, an official sportsbook part Super Bowl 60. Visit FanDuel.com McShay to get started. That's FanDuel.com McShAY to get started. 21 and older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. First online real money wager only five dollars. First deposit required. Bonus issued as non withdrawable bonus bets which expire seven days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms@sportsbook.fanduel.com gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut.
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Todd McShay
More@Applecard.Com news and it kind of plays into what we were talking about. I think. Pete Thamel today reported that there are five guys who the declaration date was last week for the underclassmen. Right. And we, you know we did the newsletter, the McShay Report. Google it. Subscribe. We're have McShay Reports all week here from the Senior Bowl. So this is a good week if you're not subscribed yet to get involved. But we talked about last week the official numbers came out was a low number thank goodness. Probably going to be a handful from the national championship game from the nil and transfer portal. Outside of players finally getting their piece of the pie, probably the best thing that's come from it is that we're not so seeing 115, 120 underclassmen come out. 20 to 40 of those guys not getting drafted or getting drafted like the seventh round and like 60. I think at one point it was 60% of those underclassmen like 56% in a couple years that came out were out of the league in three years, like it wasn't. It was just not good. But this year we had a lower number. I think it was like 63 with. With guys who had actually had graduated. 46. Around that range for the true underclassmen. But five more guys from the national championship game, Miami and Indiana came out. The others were known, right? Ruben Bane, Francis Maui Noah, Fernando Mendoza, d' Angelo Pons. We knew that the interesting one that was just announced was Omar Cooper Jr. Wide receiver for Indiana. Elijah Surat, senior. And fully expect him to be a day two draft pick. Bigger X wide receiver. Cooper, perfect compliment. Slot receiver, great body control. I watched some tape today. Some juggles over the middle. Some things like, you know, but like really good vision. Body control under control, reliable. Obviously he had that monster catch in the Penn State win. Just stepped up in moments this year where they really needed him to step up. Any initial thoughts on that or this group of those five guys that are gonna be added?
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Matt Mensch
Well, immediately. It's so unfair. You don't want to do this. But I immediately, like, where do I have him versus Surat? And I think I have him a little bit higher than Seurat. I just think he's a little more fluid. I like him a little bit better after the catch. They're two different types of receivers though. It's gonna be kind of like, what are you looking for? Both day two guys for me.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, both day two. Yeah, I agree with that. They're both day two too. Yeah. I mean, not support. Those are the exactly the guys we thought. And Cooper Jr. Was kind of the wild card.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah, he was on the fence and.
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Todd McShay
But like, why wouldn't you leave? No offense, 100%. Like, it doesn't matter what the quarterback situation is next year. If it's one Mendoza to the next. I forget, who do they bring in?
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Matt Mensch
Josh Hoover from T.C.
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Todd McShay
Hoover.
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Matt Mensch
Good player.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. I mean they'll. They'll have a. They're going to have a great team. But you win the national championship, like go out.
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Matt Mensch
You did the thing.
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Todd McShay
It's time. Last thing. Soapbox.
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Matt Mensch
I can't wait for this.
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Todd McShay
Sam Darnold. Congratulations, Sam. I've been a big fan of Sam Darnold's as a human being. Gotten to know him, got to know him through people and. But, but way before that, just as an evaluator. I went back to my grades, right? Gave a 94 grade to Sam Darnold. Number one quarterback in that class. Remember that class was Baker Mayfield, surprisingly went for. Was the first overall pick. We found out like Just a few days before the draft. But Baker was in there, gave him a 92 grade. Josh Allen was in there, gave him a 92 grade. People have been railing on me. I hated Josh Allen. He was the worst. Like, I. As I told Mel at the time, Mel just like, decided to. I feel like I found I was. I was standing in three feet of snow in Wyoming and got on a horse and didn't realize I had an allergy. Allergic to horses. And like, my face blew up like I was through the weeds with it. With, With Alan and his family at the pro day. Like, I. I love Josh Allen. It's just. Mel, like, went over the top on it. So we hit. It was good for tv, right? But going back and looking at it, why am I saying this right now? It's so good to see these redemption stories. And from a scouting perspective you try to take from every event and things that happen, I want to remind you in that class, right? Also, I just mentioned the three. Baker, Josh and Sam. Also Josh Rosen. Unmitigated disaster. The human being affected. The ability to be the football player. Don't pull any pounces and never. It's too. It's too late. I'm too old to go diving into lockers. If you know that reference, let me know. And Lamar, obviously, at the end of. End of the first round. So all of that said of these five quarterbacks, and there was one regarded at the time as one of the best quarterback drafts ever. And, and like, it was an unbelievable process, going all those pro days and being a part of it and getting to know some of them and like, and, and the, just the energy, right? And everyone had different opinions and it was great. But. So what's the. What's the takeaway now? Because of those five. As amazing as Josh Allen's career has been, and as amazing as Lamar Jackson's career has been has been with MVPs and records and everything they've done, one of those five guys has now reached a Super Bowl. Sam Darnold. My takeaway is this. I am so sick and tired of the lazy television take when it comes to this next three months. We can't really evaluate a quarterback until we know the system that they're in. We spend so much time on their traits and who they are, but it's.
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Matt Mensch
All about the fit.
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Todd McShay
You know, shit. Like, like, no, like, no kidding. But. But why do you think every NFL team spends millions upon millions of dollars evaluating the player and evaluating these quarterbacks and evaluating every position? Because it's Our job as a scout for a team, or for mention I to bring to our audience and like to bring awareness and think we do it at a pretty high level and take a lot of pride in it. It's our job to show what the traits are. And so, yeah, there's always only a handful of transcendent players. Josh Allen was going to be good everywhere he went, but Josh Allen kind of really benefited from early struggles. Brian Daboll development. Why do you think Daboll now after that Giants fiasco is like his name is all these different places. Because he's a bad coach. He's interviewing and if it's not a head coaching job, he's got his hand picked. Whatever OC job you want. And Patrick Mahomes is transcendent. He can play anywhere, right? But he had a year with Alex Smith. He had a year to sit back. I sat in a meeting with him, talk one on one with him. He's like Todd. I couldn't identify the mic. The middle linebacker coming out of Texas Tech. I just, I didn't know. Had I been thrown in that first year, it could have been ugly, but it always would have been really good. So my point in all of this is like you're going to hear for the next three months. Well, don't ask me what he's gonna be until you tell me where he's gonna go yet. We could have all told you that we got a much better shot with Mahomes when he goes to Andy Reid and he's got a year behind Alex Smith. We could have all told you you got a much better shot with Josh going with day ball. We also could have told you. And I remember feeling it at the time because I was the one pounding the table. Sorry. I know Tucker gets so mad at me when I do that for audio pounding the table. Sam's the best of these quarterbacks. I just, I think he can be special. And then for him to go to the jets the second he was drafted by the jets, the third pick after Saquon went two and Baker went one, I was like, oh, no, I don't like my chances. And so when Baker goes to Cleveland and Sam goes to the jets, they didn't just start sucking at football. They just weren't developed properly. So that's speaks to everyone's argument. Would you tell me where they're going and tell them? But no, that doesn't mean they can't get themselves out of the situation. You know what it takes resiliency. It takes a certain Something special inside of these human beings. It takes the right supporting cast. And I know the people in Baker's life, I know the people in Sam's life who helped him through it and some of the coaching and the mentorships and where they spent times in the off season, all that stuff. And so all I'm saying all of this because it is our job and it is all these scouts that you're going to see walking behind us throughout the week. And it is the general manager, like, it's their job to evaluate the talent. And if they get with the wrong place, it doesn't mean that they're stuck in their career is over. Sam Darnold is now going to the Super Bowl. He's the only one of all these guys, Lamar, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Josh Rosen. He's the only one who's been to a Super Bowl. And he did it because, A, he had that ability and B, he had this resiliency in him. So when we evaluate, our job is to evaluate, A, the talent, B, what's inside of that guy. So it's my little reminder this week, two things. One is we're here for a reason and the process is the process for a reason. And it's worked for a long, long time. And so we're never going to vary from that process. And I'm done, like with all the nonsense about, well, this doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. It does. And the second part is you're going to hear for three months and I'll mention every once in a while, I'd like to see him in this system. He really flourished in that system. I think Ty Simpson would be awesome with the Rams as a year with McVay, Stafford still there. I think that would be a great. But that doesn't mean I evaluate him off of if he goes to the Rams, it's this. It just drives me crazy because I think it's lazy. I think it's boring. Every time I'm watching tv, there's certain things I watch where I'm like, oh, turn the volume up. Immersive test. Sometimes I might get that, like, I can't run from the TV fast enough. When someone goes on a three minute rant about tell me where they're gonna be. We don't talk about the fit enough. We don't talk. No kidding. But we're here to evaluate and to tell you as our audience and you hopefully will trust us over time. Here's the talent and here's who the young man is that's why we spend so much time in this NFL teams. More importantly, the psychology test, the interviews, all these other things that used to be kind of like 20% of the process have become like 60, 70%, because we've gotten to know, we've learned from mistakes, that it's just about what's inside as it is the talent wise. And Sam has something inside that a lot of guys don't. Baker, a lot of guys don't. Josh, a lot of guys don't. Lamar, a lot of guys don't. Just as much as their physical tools. All right, I'm done.
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Matt Mensch
I hear you.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Matt Mensch
And I'm kind of, you know, and.
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Todd McShay
I'm not red in the face just because I got pissed off about it. It's also all of a sudden 97 degrees inside of the convention center here, the pumping in the heat. But go ahead.
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Matt Mensch
I'm kind of into it. It's like 40 degrees here. The heat feels good to me. Yeah, I'm, you know, I'm really happy for Sam. I think one of the things you want to talk about with the resiliency is let's not forget that he went to Minnesota and won, what, 14 games, and they said, I think we're gonna go with.
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Todd McShay
This rant. Was about watching guys on TV talking about the draft stuff, and also about all of a sudden, it was, like, cute and fun on social media to call him same Darnold.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah, well, I'm just. What I'm saying is this is. He could have doubted himself then again. And instead of doing that, he goes to Seattle, and now he's going to the Super Bowl. So I'm also happy for you. I'm gonna be honest with you. Like, you have been a Sam Darnold guy from the jump, even when Sam Darnold. It's a famous clip now that everyone likes to talk about, oh, I'm seeing ghosts out there. You know, like, someone caught him saying it. And honestly, is it that bad? Is it that bad of a thing to say? No, I'm struggling right now. I'm not seeing it. I'm seeing ghosts right now. Saying it to you.
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Todd McShay
Like, you should be able to trust.
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Matt Mensch
The people around to be like, hey, I'm not seeing it. But instead it's turned into this, like, joke or meme or gif. And. And just good for him. It's just.
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Todd McShay
I even talked to a personnel person here today, and I won't mention their name, obviously. It was like, I just kept waiting. Yeah, I just kept waiting. I just kept waiting. Last night. Cuz there's no chance that Sam doesn't get out of this game without making that one mistake he always makes. It's pretty cool for Sam.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
To be in this spot. Kind of shove it, you know, right where it belongs. For the next two weeks we get to focus on, oh, this is the guy that we thought he could be. And don't forget, he was the, I think the youngest of all those cats coming out that year. And you knew he had to be in the right environment. And also I know I take a lot of heat for all my jet stuff, but like, that was what, three, four weeks ago and what's happened since.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Okay, so let's, let's keep in perspective. Yeah. Where guys go. But let's not make this scouting process about where guys go. This is about who they are, what they are, what they can bring if developed properly. And God forbid they go somewhere where they just can't. Hopefully they get the next shot somewhere else and someone's ready to kind of bring them in, hug them up, you know, let's go, kid. And develop them. And Both Baker in LA with McVay and Sam in San Francisco with Kyle. What's up, man? They, they both had opportunities with the right people that knew how to kind of patch things together, pat them on the ass and like, you got this. Let's go. They didn't need long. They just needed a little bit of time to kind of get.
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Matt Mensch
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Oriented. So it's pretty cool to see. And then you get Drake. My goodness. What? I mean, we loved him coming out. No one expects anyone to be able to do this because no one has done this since Dan Marino. Yeah, he's the second youngest quarterback to go to the, to the super bowl and would be the youngest quarterback to ever win the Super Bowl. And I'm already hearing people on certain shows talking about like, oh, What a disaster. 86 yards, whatever it was, passing gets the. This is Josh Allen's year. So like I want both of these quarterbacks to go shove it like right up everywhere, you know, like, I hope this turns into a shootout of epic proportions. And both these quarterbacks have record setting defenses, man. I know, but I'm just saying there's just all this negativity and I don't get where it comes from because. Because Drake went through three of the five best defenses in the NFL to get to where he is. And Sam has, has had to overcome a disaster of an organization and pick up the pieces and with maturity and with time and with the Right. Supporting system has. Has gotten. And then even in the last year, as you mentioned, and everyone's like, yes, same Darnold. Same Darnold. Yeah, here we go. All right. This is gonna be an awesome week. Again, 8, 8p each day. Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Eastern Time, 8, 7p Central Time, 5p Pacific for our LA California Cats over here. Man, it's freezing. Yeah, Tucker and Dan are freezing. Gotta change their hotels, though. Come on, we got to do better. Yeah. So that's this week. McShay Report's gonna be going. Mench is going to be all over his. His social at. At yougoodmensch. M U E N C H. We got the IG live. Marisa tells me my handle is tmcsha13, by the way.
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Matt Mensch
Have I been getting that wrong the whole time? I think I always say icsha13.
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Todd McShay
Tmcsha13 for Instagram Live. We're gonna do it twice a day during practices, so check it all out. We appreciate you being with us. I won't go down this many soapboxes the rest of the week, but it's a Monday. We just had weigh ins and, like, what time is better than this to do it?
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Matt Mensch
I enjoyed it.
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Todd McShay
All right, five stars for my guy Matt here. And he made it here through. Through a little sprinkle on the drive and a little wind. He legitimately told me to slow down yesterday as we're driving in and Marissa's in the back seat being like, thank goodness I didn't have to. All right, five stars. We'll see. You must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-888-78-9-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New.