Loading summary
Transcript162 lines
- [00:06]
Daniel Jeremiah
It's the updated big board top 100 show. And it's a Friday, so we better get rolling. Just 27 days until the NFL draft. You good men.
- [00:16]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm stoked, man.
- [00:17]
Daniel Jeremiah
Play that beat, Tuck. The McShay NFL Draft Room, featuring the brilliance of Steve Mensch, is where you can find it all. Mock drafts, our updated board that we're gonna reference a lot today. Updated top 100 there. Top 50 evaluations. We're grinding away to provide another 50 coming up soon. And we're gonna take you all the way to the NFL Draft. It's theringer.com mcshay again. Theringer.com mcshAY you can find it all there. We're pumped about it. We're so excited to build it.
- [01:07]
Steve Smith Sr.
People are loving it.
- [01:09]
Daniel Jeremiah
Phase one of phase one. Even Bill Simmons talking the other day, he was blown away by, like, how easy you could.
- [01:14]
Steve Smith Sr.
Yeah.
- [01:15]
Daniel Jeremiah
So I, I love the fact that people are enjoying it. That's the whole goal. This episode is brought to you by TaxAct. From rookies to experts, TaxAct helps you navigate every tax play with accuracy guaranteed. Get tips along the way. Add expert assist to talk to tax experts or let our experts do your taxes for you. With Expert full service, TaxAct helps you find the deductions and credits you deserve so you can get them over with. Visit taxact.com to learn more. Conditions apply. See taxact.com for details.
- [01:51]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
This episode is brought to you by Spectrum Business. Fast, reliable Internet means everything for your business and even this podcast. That's why I trust Spectrum Business. They keep companies of all sizes connected with Internet, advanced Wi Fi, phone, TV, mobile services, plus 24. 7 US based support. Millions of business owners already trust Spectrum business. So visit spectrum.combusiness to learn more. Restrictions apply. Services not available in all areas.
- [02:21]
Daniel Jeremiah
But I want to get right into it today. Men, let's go. We updated the top. It kind of got, you know, overshadowed a little bit because we had the Mach 3.0 come out and this brand new shiny website and database that we're building. But we've got an updated top 100 and I want to walk through that and I want to do some, some different things today to kind of give people an idea of what's going on, what's going through our process, the players that are standing out. So we've got a couple different avenues. I want to start with this Avenue 1 through 32 on that updated top 100 Mensch. Give me a guy that jumps out to you that you want to, you want to Focus in on.
- [03:00]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm going Clemson Edge. TJ Parker we had as a top 10 guy coming into the season and I think we might have been right all along or at least we're closer than that, than maybe he was midway through the season. Listen, his production dropped this year. There's no question about it. His production dropped. But you look at the production overall in his career of, you know, 21 and a half sacks, six force fumbles, six fumble recoveries over the course of the career. Very productive. Maybe we put a little too much stock on those numbers from 2025. And then you look at the player, he's got good, not great length, 263 pounds, good frame, ran really well at the combine, checks all the boxes. In terms of his workout, I love when I want to get into the length specifically because he's got 33 and an eighth inch arms, it's not going to blow you away. But I love how he uses his length and what I mean by that is the timing and the accuracy of his punch and the way he gets into blockers and, and just works off. His power is impressive to me. I, I say he's an absolute bully as a pass rusher. He can manhandle guys.
- [04:03]
Daniel Jeremiah
Remember we were talking about in the
- [04:04]
Steve Smith Sr.
preseason how he's running over a, he was running over a Florida State guard and a South Carolina offensive tackle on the 2024 film. Well, you still see that. You still see the power when you're watching him on the 2025 tape. In addition, he has this, you know, kind of a letdown of a season. What does he do? Goes to the Senior bowl and I think he shows out. He had some really good one on one reps. He had a strong overall week. Again goes to the combine, has a strong workout. We have all these undersized edges with some shorter arms and a lot of questions. I think we're putting, we may have put a little too much stock in TJ Parker's numbers dropping this year. And when you take a breath and you let the dust settle and you look at the body of work, you look at the tools and you look at the tape. He is a surefire first rounder. Well, I think he's gonna surprise people with how good he plays as a rookie.
- [04:57]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, he's a surefire first rounder. I, I think had he taken that next step, he may have been a top 10 pick. Got him at 22 overall. Too low, too high. About right. What do you think?
- [05:10]
Steve Smith Sr.
That's too high for me. I think he's I think he's like, you have all these questions about some of these other guys and. Too low.
- [05:19]
Daniel Jeremiah
Too low. Okay. Yeah.
- [05:21]
Steve Smith Sr.
Too low.
- [05:22]
Daniel Jeremiah
I want to make sure we were playing.
- [05:23]
Steve Smith Sr.
I always get like, yeah, yeah. So. Too low.
- [05:25]
Daniel Jeremiah
I know. I think he should be.
- [05:26]
Steve Smith Sr.
He should be. I think he's like a top 15 player. Could be a top 10 pick. I really believe that I would have another good. If you have Reese as an edge, you have Reese as an edge, right? You have Bane and you have Bailey. And then I think Parker's in the mix.
- [05:43]
Daniel Jeremiah
I don't disagree. And I think he's in the mix with Akeem Messador from Miami. He's got the a, the age issue and some past injury stuff. But, but my gosh, the tape is, is beautiful. You know, the past rushing, the, the, the violence, the violent dude.
- [05:58]
Steve Smith Sr.
Yeah.
- [05:58]
Daniel Jeremiah
The disruption, you know, But I, I think he's also in the mix with the guy that I'm going to feature right now that it's interesting. I, I. Keldrick Falk from Auburn. We talked a little bit about him. Like preseason. You hear his name every once in a while. But here we are, 27 days from the NFL draft. Do people really know who he is? He doesn't turn 21 years old until September. As you see. If you're watching on Netflix, we appreciate you. Same Spotify. And if you're listening on Apple and anywhere else, we appreciate you too. But I'll explain. You've got the scouting report, the beautiful scouting report sitting up there. And, and if you're looking at it, you're like, man, that production. Two sacks, five tackles for loss. I'll take it a step further. You talk about underwhelming. This past season, 2025, he had 2020 more pressures in 2024, 52 of them than he did in 2025. 32. Despite five more pass rush attempts this past season, he has the lowest pass rush win rate of 11.6% of the top 10 edge rushers in this class. So you're like, mcshay, why do you like him? I like them because I put on the tape and I see something special. And sometimes as an evaluator, you got to go off of your, your decades of instincts and, and, and when you see something in a player, it just, it kind of jumps out at you and grabs you. And Keldrick Fox is six. Six. He's 206, 76 pounds. That's different from every other cat here, man. Mm. He has 34 and 3 eighths inch arm length almost 10 inch handspan, right. And, and so I'm watching him and, and on tape I was expecting was he dogging it? Was he protecting himself? What was going on? And I can tell you this, like the traits jump out, the motor runs hot and there's just a lot to work with. He's got a quick first step. He's ridiculously long. As I mentioned, he keeps offensive tackles back and by getting into their pads, he play ass off. He's a smooth mover. There's not many guys at 276 pounds at 6 foot 6 that are smooth movers, right? And so it's refinement, it's the instincts. Here's where I think he does lose in terms of sack production in the finishing aspect of it, the getting home. It's not titanic level that but the, the redirects not where you want it to be, right. But what he has that some of those smaller guys don't have is the length and the power and immediately he steps in and he's a great run defender. So even it's like as a rotational guy, kind of 30 snaps a game as a rookie and developing his pass rush traits, these guys don't fail a lot, man. And even Rashawn Gary, Rashawn Gary's last year at Michigan, it was like, is he ever. Like what? Like what? Eric Armstead came in the draft, early draft pick, right? Eric Armstead's a good comp. Now Eric Armstadt's a little. I've talked to some guys in the league who were like, yeah, he's a five technique, you know, And I'm like, he can be, but he also can go out wide and he can rush off the edge. And you know, some of the best tape I saw of him, three technique, you know, like I love watching him on the outside, shoulder of the guard, inside shoulder of the tackle because you got that quick first step with that length to kind of wrap yourself around, whether it's a rip club or it's an arm over move.
- [09:45]
Steve Smith Sr.
So you're thinking as an interior pass rusher, not as a guy who's going to line in there.
- [09:49]
Daniel Jeremiah
So why can't we use them as a, as a five technique versus the run, a seven technique or a five I or a four eye, a five technique, a seven a left defensive end. But also let's, let's intermingle him as a, as a three technique on password, obviously third and twelves. So you get all that. And Eric Armstead was kind of the same man, same deal. Man, he was 21 years old. Armstead was when he was coming out of Oregon. Remember Armstead?
- [10:19]
Steve Smith Sr.
Yeah.
- [10:20]
Daniel Jeremiah
Four career sacks in three seasons. That was the big thing. Two and a half in his final season. That was back in 2014. So the kids may not remember when Armstead came out of Oregon, but I do. And he was so athletically gifted. He had that length, he had that power. And Armstead's now been in the league for 11 years. He's only reached double digit sacks once. But he's been a really good player who's been like for many years in that seven, nine sack range. So at 20 years old, I just, I think Fox got a lot in the tank. So I don't know.
- [10:55]
Steve Smith Sr.
Great comp. I mean it's from the, it's like the Calais Campbell or Eric Armstead kind of tree.
- [11:02]
Daniel Jeremiah
Moves a little bit better. I don't know.
- [11:06]
Steve Smith Sr.
He looks like an NBA.
- [11:07]
Daniel Jeremiah
I have like this. Yeah, he does. And I just think of like Rashan Gary meets Armstead somewhere, you know, like somewhere in between.
- [11:15]
Steve Smith Sr.
He almost looks like, like I wonder what his body fat is. I bet it's super low. I mean the way he carries, like it almost defies logic that he's that heavy because when you' watching him, he looks like a leaner guy. And then you see the power and you're like, wow, there's some, there's some, you know, shock to him. You know what I mean?
- [11:32]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. Yeah. All right, who. So now let's go to. Let's go. 33 through 64 on the, on the top 100. Give a player that jumped out to you that you want, you want. Like let's give some insight right now.
- [11:45]
Steve Smith Sr.
I remember a. It's going to be, it's going to be Georgia linebacker C.J. allen. And I remember another Georgia linebacker coming out who you just wouldn't move off even though his size was, he was a little smaller. Everything was average. No great measurables. And that, that was Nicobi Dean.
- [12:03]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yep.
- [12:03]
Steve Smith Sr.
This is C.J. allen is my Nakobe Dean. And what I mean by that is six one, two hundred thirty pounds, thirty one and a half inch arms. Meh. Just average across the board.
- [12:15]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Right.
- [12:16]
Steve Smith Sr.
He didn't run because he had a knee injury at the end of the season and he's still recovering from it. So no time at the combine, no time at the pro day. And when you watch the tape, you don't see a burner and you're watching all these other linebackers fly around like maniacs and you're saying don't you want one of those guys that can get sideline to sideline? Here's why I love Allen. One is he's got, I think, elite instincts. His read and react time is really quick to the point where he can beat guys to the point of attack and slip blocks. The other aspect of him, he is so freaking tough at that size. He plays like a 245 pound linebacker. He's got so much shock in his hands and his hips when he's taking on blockers. He can get off. He's a really good interior run defender. He's okay in coverage, but he's not a liability. Right. He's going to read the quarterback, he's going to get to his spots. He's going to be where he needs to be. He'll probably make some plays in the ball. Not going to, not going to excel in coverage. I was surprised a little bit. He's got a little bit more to his pass rush than I expected when, when I put on the tape. I'm not saying he's great in that area, but you can use him as a pass rusher and he really uncoils, uncoils on running backs and knows how to, you know, disrupt the quarterback. You know, he's not going to be a guy who's going to get a lot of sacks, but he, he can be effective and disruptive.
- [13:35]
Daniel Jeremiah
Him And Anthony Hill Jr. From Texas, who do you like better?
- [13:38]
Steve Smith Sr.
They're so different and I watched back
- [13:40]
Daniel Jeremiah
to back, they're just so different, but they're kind of in that range. Like early, like not first round but early second round. Hey, I like. Depends on what flavor. Right.
- [13:51]
Steve Smith Sr.
I think that Allen's a much more consistent tackler, but. Yep, But Hill is a guy that you can use in a, in a variety of ways. And I mean, he can get after the quarterback he tested so well. The thing about him is when you watch the tape, he's always playing downhill against the run. And if you ask him to read and react, I don't know how effective he's going to be. I think, you know, he'll probably be fine, but I, I'm not saying he can't do it, but almost everything is downhill. Almost everything is getting into gaps and then it'll line up on the edge of times. So he's a different kind of player. The reason I, I like Hill, the reason I would take Allen over Hill as one of my guys that I want to put a stamp on is because I think that while Allen doesn't have the same kind of ceiling. I think he has a higher floor than Hill.
- [14:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
I'm going to go with a wide receiver here and wide receivers I do. I love this edge group. I love this wide receiver group. And anyone who says this draft sucks, I'll point out two of the most important positions in football. Absolutely loaded in this class. And Tony, we've talked so much about Carnell Tate from Ohio State and Makai Lemon from USC and Jordan Tyson from, from Arizona State. We've talked a lot now about Omar Cooper Jr. We've talked a lot about Casey Concepcion, we've talked a lot about Denzel Boston from, from Washington, Conception from Texas A and M. We've even like Malachi Fields had his glory, glory week down at the Senior bowl coming out of Notre Dame. Like I feel like we've talked about all these receivers but Antonio Williams just kind of, he ran a really great time. A four four one at the, at the combine but it wasn't like four threes so we weren't talking about him there. Let me tell you about Antonio Williams from Clemson. Finished his career 218 catches for almost, almost 2800 receiving yards average 12.4 and 23 touchdowns. You say, well he's a star wide receiver. That production's, it's good but it's not for a four year player, you know, three year starter essentially who made an impact in 2022 as a freshman. Yeah, but Clemson like A, they, they distribute the ball a lot, B, their pass game was never, never great and C, he led the team in receptions the last two years. He is, he's got juice. Okay, but unless you're like Tyreek Hill or Desean Jackson like at 511 and a half, 187, you're probably not going to be a true vertical receiver. But I do like that he has the speed to threaten and occasionally you'd see catch a post and go right. But where he's going to kill you is with his routes. I would argue Antonio Williams is the best route runner in this class in terms of like the in and out of brakes, like popping, accelerating. He does the dirty work over the middle. He accelerates out of like the quick slant stuff. He gets himself open with his footwork and his precision and his crafty right. He had 2.16 yards per route run the past two seasons. You really study these analytics. They are indicators, man. That's near the, it's not the top of the class but Makai Lemons over 3.0, over 3.0 and he's on that list with like JSN and some superstars of over 3.0 yards per out run versus man and zone, he's 2.16. Anything over two is really good. 2.1416 has got him, you know, near the, near the top of this class. He's got a graduate level feel for zone coverage. Working back to club Nick getting open soft spots in zone. And the two things I saw on his tape is production dipped a little bit from 2024. I told you this already, that the field versus coverage, it was different this year than it was last. And then attacking the football and attacking it so that he can take it and go up the field. He's outstanding after the catch. I think his ball skills are really, really good too. He did career 3.5 drop rate. And some people say, well that's ridiculous. Like drop rates don't transfer.
- [17:54]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Yeah.
- [17:55]
Daniel Jeremiah
But he doesn't drop the ball and I like that. I'd rather him not drop the ball than drop the ball anyone. And you know, like that's amazing. Yes. Yeah. I want my receiver to catch the ball because it probably indicates it's probably going to catch the ball in the league. He was 2 down to 2.9 in 2025. I see some lad McConkey, man.
- [18:16]
Steve Smith Sr.
Wow.
- [18:17]
Daniel Jeremiah
Went late first to the Chargers. Lad came in the league and blew it up. Receptions Wise lad may have a little bit more juice, like a little, but not a lot. I like the tough guy. I like the routes. I like that he just separates. I like he catches the ball in some tough spots. I think, I think he's got a chance to come in the league and be like 70, 80 catches right away. I really do. In the right system.
- [18:40]
Steve Smith Sr.
I agree. I think he could definitely do that. I mean, whether I agree with all of it. Like, I think Conka maybe had a little more juice than you're saying, but all but, but you're, you're dead on about that. I think he can come in right away and catch 70, 80 bulls. I'll say this. TJ Moore, Bryant Wescoe Jr. You could argue that he's the third most talented receiver at Clemson, but he was the best receiver. He was correct. Best at his craft. He's the best at playing the game. Those other guys will drive you nuts with their inconsistencies and their up and downs. That's on Tony Williams. And I'm convinced. And, and, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm convinced that him getting hurt early in the year really affected their season. Because when you talk about all the things you talked about, Club Nick lost his security blanket security that you could trust the guy you knew who was going to play make a play. Like we talk about Jeremy Bernard with Alabama, that's Antonio Williams with Clemson, man. And when he was banged up right away in the LSU game, I think it it altered the way their season went.
- [19:40]
Daniel Jeremiah
This episode is brought to you by Men's Warehouse. If you're like me, you need a go to when you're scouting new clothes. So check out Men's Warehouse. They've got you covered for every occasion with a huge variety of clothing and styles, from tailored clothing like suits, sports coats, dress shirts, tuxes for more formal events to casual clothing like polos, shirts, shorts and jeans for everyday wear. The Men's Wearhouse experts can help you find the right look while their on site tailors guarantee your clothes have the right fit for your body. Men's wearhouse has over 600 locations nationwide. They are here and nearby when you're ready to love the way you look
- [20:23]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Snoring, gasping during sleep, Feeling fatigued? Wake up to Zepbound Tirzepatide, the first and only FDA approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea in adults with obesity. Zepbound is an injectable prescription medicine that may help adults with moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea and obesity to improve their osa. Zepbound should be used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity. Zepbound is Approved as a 2.5, 5, 7.5, 10, 12.5 or 15mg injection. Zepbound contains Tirzepatide and should not be used with other Tirzepatide containing products or any GLP1 receptor agonist medicines. It is not known if Zepbound is safe and effective for use in children. Do not share needles or pins or reuse needles. Don't take zetbound if allergic to it or if you or someone in your family had medullary thyroid cancer or multiple endocrine neoplasia Syndrome Type 2. Tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck. Stop Zepbound and call your doctor if you have severe stomach pain or a serious allergic reaction. Severe side effects may include inflamed pancreas or gallbladder problems. Tell your doctor if you experience vision changes, depression or suicidal thoughts before scheduled procedures with anesthesia. If you're nursing pregnant, plan to be or taking birth control pills. Taking Zepbound with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar side effects and include nausea, diarrhea and vomiting, which can cause dehydration and worsen kidney problems. Talk to your doctor. Call 1-800-545-5979 or visit zepbound.lilly.com Zepbound and its delivery device base and Quickpin are registered trademarks owned or licensed by eli Lilly Company, its subsidiaries or affiliates.
- [21:53]
This episode is brought to you by the Active Cash credit card from Wells Fargo. That's a mouthful, but that's because it packs a lot in. Earn unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases with it, big or small. So whether it's buying tickets to the game and grabbing a coffee, it earns unlimited 2% cash rewards on purchases. Say it with me. The Active Cash credit card from Wells Fargo. Be a 2 percenter. Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward/activecash Terms
- [22:19]
Daniel Jeremiah
apply 65 through a hundred we got
- [22:24]
Steve Smith Sr.
to talk about a Georgia, a Georgia Tech offensive guard. Dude, we got to get in, we have to get in those Georgia Tech interior offensive linemen because that's what sells, baby. Keelan Rutledge I I and I'm gonna, this is gonna, it's gonna kill you. I'm gonna get in the weeds a little bit about this. I He's a, he is an absolute, he is a prick.
- [22:44]
Daniel Jeremiah
Oh my gosh.
- [22:44]
Steve Smith Sr.
The all time he wakes, wakes up and chooses violence every morning. He wants to take everyone's head off. He's gonna go to the echo of the whistle every play. And I think when you think about a player like that, an offensive lineman, you're thinking this is a man gap guy. This is a guy that just wants to get off the ball and drive guys. And when you watch the tape, I love how he, how he operates as a zone blocker within the group of five and within the scheme and understanding and I know cut me off if this is too much, McShay, please. But understanding angles, understanding the depth of his footwork, understanding the importance of securing the the line of scrimmage and making sure you get the defensive lineman fit up before you start to work up to the second level and then having the athletic ability to do I think that he is impressive in the craft of zone blocking and then he can give you that man gap stuff now in pass protection. That's why he's not a first rounder, right? This is why he's on day two. The timing, the accuracy of the punch have to get a little bit better. The footwork has to be a Little more consistent, but these are fixable flaws. This is thing. These are things that you can fix. I fully expect him to be a starter early on his career, and I think he's going to be a damn good guard in the league for a long time.
- [24:00]
Daniel Jeremiah
We've talked a lot about Venge Ioanne, the sensational guard from Penn State.
- [24:04]
Steve Smith Sr.
Right.
- [24:06]
Daniel Jeremiah
And how he is one of the 10 best players in this draft and probably will go somewhere in the top 20 because he's a guard. And we've talked a lot about these tackles from Maui Noah to Fano to Lomu, the Utah guys to, to. To Freeling at Georgia to Blake Miller. Blake Miller, your guy, Ian, not sure.
- [24:28]
Steve Smith Sr.
From.
- [24:28]
Daniel Jeremiah
From Arizona State. But we haven't really talked about the interior offensive lineman. And I'm not saying we're going to do that right now, but I do think it's worth mentioning in this 64. I mean, it really starts at 42 with Chase Basantis from, from Texas A M. Then a guy at 53 pregnant who I think is going to wind up moving up next time we have an updated top one.
- [24:47]
Steve Smith Sr.
I agree.
- [24:48]
Daniel Jeremiah
We both love them, so why, what are we. Why are we playing games? But it starts in that range. But then in that six, really in that 64 to 100 range, there's a lot of good guys to bath at center. You've got, you've got Sam Hecht from Kansas State, Logan Jones, Iowa, Connor, Lou. I watch a little Connor, Lou. You know, we'll. We'll come back and do it some offensive line, deeper dive. He's talented, man. He. I might, I might gamble on that. But then a guard, we just talked about, Keelan Rutledge. You got Jalen Farmer from Kentucky, you got Billy Shroud from Notre Dame, Cage Casey from Boise State. I think you're gonna see. I guess my point is after like the top 50, that bottom 50 of the top of the top hundred, if you will, I think you're gonna see a run on those interior offensive linemen. All right, Last guy I want to get to 64 to 100, Marlon Klein. I just finished up his tape. I'd seen some stuff, but going back now and stacking the tight ends. If you see his, his scouting report on the screen right now, I gave him a 75 grade that's in the third round that says one of the top four. I've got to make the four tight end. Believe it or not, I put him like just a tick ahead of Oatmeal. Sam Rash, who's my Guy, you know why? I think he's one of the most underrated players in this entire draft. I think he was untapped. And yes, you, you jumped on him early and you've been a big fan, so I'm here to congratulate you and expand the conversation. Marlon Klein played in this offense that was multiple tight ends. His role was the block he played, the why he's a damn good blocker. I don't even think he's the best blocker in the class. I think he's a really good blocker. Okay. He's 6 foot 6 and 248 pounds. And you know, when, unfortunately, I'm now 49, I turned 49 last week. Like, I didn't envision a life where at 49 years old or at any age, to be honest with you, that I was studying college level men's bodies and calling them body beautiful. But when you look at his frame, Mensch got awkward for a second. When you look at his frame, it's like, oh, that guy's got eight, nine good pounds left on the frame. No, he's great. 662-5526, zero in a year or two.
- [27:11]
Steve Smith Sr.
You watch.
- [27:13]
Daniel Jeremiah
And now I got that. And, and I look at him, man, and that offense, like, sorry, Michigan fans, Bryce Underwood cannot throw the football the more I want. Like, and we watch it during the season, but I've not done like a deep dive. You talk and they, they gave him pff. And I understand they've got to figure out what's a catch, what's a drop, all that. Three of the four drops they gave him. Because it's interesting because, like, when you don't have that many catches, right? And like, he finished his career with 38 catches, all right, 24 of those came in this last season. So you saw a spike in production, but it's still like, we're not talking about Tyler Warren, Colston, Loveland. And so when you, when you hand out four drops and I go back and watch all four of those drops from his career, he goes, he has a 6.3 drop drop rate, which isn't horrible, but it's like, yeah, it's worth taking a look. So I'm. So I go and take a look. Three of them are like, get the out of here, man. The quarterback stinks from, like, from a passing ball placement standpoint. Phenomenal athlete. He's going to keep getting better. He's the future. I get all of that.
- [28:23]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
Yeah.
- [28:25]
Daniel Jeremiah
But I watch him on some seam routes. I watch him in that bowl game. That seam route. He catches and gets absolutely clocked and get knocked out. Pops back up and it's like let's go. I watch him on the. On an out and up on the left rail. I forget who it was. It was 30 seconds remaining. I got it here versus New Mexico. Double move touchdown. Some play action. His releases the crossers. I just. He's known for his blocking. I promise you there's a lot of juice in this cat. And he runs a 461 at 66200 almost 50 pounds. He runs a 46 1. His combine was awesome. He had a 36 inch vertical jump, a 99 broad. He had a 16410 yard split. You can get all this information on our website. Honestly go. It's the ringer.com mcshay one of my favorite things is I was scrolling through and I was part of the design so it wasn't surprising to me. But when I read it and I'm sitting there on my couch and scrolling through it's so comforting to be able to look at a result and see where that belongs within the last three years Tally and you. If you click down on the combined results numbers and you can see like where and it's all like really, really high percentile man. So I. I don't know. I think mar. Marlon Klein in this class that is front loaded. I mean sorry. Backloaded. 28 guys were. Were brought to the combine most ever at the tight end position.
- [29:50]
Steve Smith Sr.
Crazy.
- [29:50]
Daniel Jeremiah
And. And we may only have two in the first two days unless Max Clair gets gets thrown in late second round from Ohio State. I think it's going to be Eli Stowers in the second after Kenyon Sadiq in the first. I think in the third round some team is going to get an absolute gem at Marlon Klein.
- [30:08]
Steve Smith Sr.
I absolutely love it. Can I just say this about the website by the way?
- [30:11]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
- [30:11]
Steve Smith Sr.
We go and we talk about players. I. I always you know prep and I read but I also. I like my safety. I like my safety like blanket or whatever my binky. To have all their information up. I just go to the website. I can just all the reports that are up there now I go to the website and I have everything that I could possibly need. It's just. It's like the one stop thing. I've replaced all of these different tabs that I would have open just so I could access different things. Just have the website. I can get everything. I get the combine, I get the production, I get the player. It's crazy. It's Helping me, like, you know, like, already helping me. How functional it is.
- [30:48]
Daniel Jeremiah
We fueled the ESPN draft tracker for 20, 20 years, let's say approximately. I never once used it when doing draft coverage for three days of the NFL draft, but it was all of our information. I. For the first time in 26 years of covering the draft, I will not print a book.
- [31:08]
Steve Smith Sr.
It's.
- [31:08]
Daniel Jeremiah
I'm gonna have my iPad in front of me and I'm just gonna press two buttons and. Which is insane.
- [31:15]
Steve Smith Sr.
No way. You. You have to have it. You. Listen, I'm not saying that the website takes care of everything, but you and I both know that you cannot go to a draft without, like, the. The book that has to crack open and has 450 pages. It's a free rental binder.
- [31:32]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I'm a printer, Marissa.
- [31:35]
Steve Smith Sr.
If you're listening, you write it down. He doesn't need a book this year, so when he asks you for one, just tell him he just use the website.
- [31:40]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right, I wanna. I. I've been. I thought of this like an hour ago, and I've just been dying to play it with you because this is. This is a collection of both of our opinions. But ultimately, I wind up putting together this board. When we drop our final top 300, it will be even more collaborative. You have been grinding away on tape and. So anyway, I want to do this. My point being in all of that is every year, you and I are going to disagree. I'm going to move a guy up higher than I want to because you're. You're bullish on it. Or I may move a guy down or whatever, but I want. I'm going to go through. I want to play a quick game. We got to get out. It's a Friday. No one want. No one wants an hour long podcast.
- [32:17]
Steve Smith Sr.
You're making me nervous.
- [32:18]
Daniel Jeremiah
Friday, I want to do a quick game. Just give me. Give me buy or Sell. This game is going to be called Buy or Sell.
- [32:25]
Steve Smith Sr.
Love it.
- [32:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
And I'm going to tell you the player where he is on this board, and you tell me buy or sell. And try to give me one sentence if you can, or just a quick nugget or I just don't like it. Whatever you want. Okay, I don't want to rant. All right. Buy or sell. Reuben Bain, Miami edge at 11 overall by me. Sorry. Buy meaning you like him at that spot. Or he could go higher and as part of your response, you could say, I would take him earlier. Or sell is you think he's 12.
- [32:58]
Steve Smith Sr.
Or.
- [32:58]
Daniel Jeremiah
Or lower.
- [33:01]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm pulling him up right now. I, I, I'm, yeah, I'm a buy. I, I actually think that he should be, if not higher, closer to David Bailey. I think the two of them are closer because you have David Bailey. If I'm correct at 6. Is that correct or am I looking at a different set of rankings? I don't think those two are different. Yeah, those two aren't, aren't wildly different. I think they should actually be closer together. And the only reason that you might have Bane there is because of the arm length, in my opinion. Dude plays a million snaps. He's an absolute maniac, and he's productive.
- [33:35]
Daniel Jeremiah
Like, I just, I promise you, when this is all said and done, Bane's going to be in the top 10. I, it's the ebbs and flows and the short arms, and I probably overcorrect, but he, I agree buy on that one. All right, next one. Caleb Banks. We talked about him on the last show, but I will just. Quickly, quickly. Caleb Banks, I want you to keep in mind the foot injury, which I know what, this is a tough one.
- [33:55]
Steve Smith Sr.
This is maybe the toughest player. Go ahead.
- [33:57]
Daniel Jeremiah
Caleb Banks, 32, buy or sell?
- [34:02]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm buying it. I'm an optimist. I, the foot scares me. And he probably will fall. He probably will fall because of the.
- [34:08]
Daniel Jeremiah
And I don't, and I'm not saying. And I don't care where he gets drafted. I'm saying for you, is he one of the 32 best players I'm taking. We look back in three years. That's what I care about, not what happens on draft night.
- [34:23]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm taking a shot. I'm taking a shot. And I wouldn't have I maybe what, two weeks ago. This is, this is a developing story for, for men. I told you that I had concerns. And then coming out of the combine, what I didn't realize he broke his foot. I was like, what are we doing? Your cleats uncomfortable. Meanwhile, he's jumping out of the building at that size with a broken foot. So a little egg in the face on that one. That being said, I'm, I texted you right away as I was watching the tape and said I forgot. I forgot how good this dude is, how different he is and how he uses his length in his size and how difficult it is to block him and how good he can be as a pass rusher, that he can throw guards around and centers around as a pass rusher and be very disruptive in that area, too. He. I said it before.
- [35:11]
Daniel Jeremiah
It's going to be an hour long show.
- [35:13]
Steve Smith Sr.
I know he might be the most talented guy in the draft. Might be the most talented guy in the draft.
- [35:16]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right. Avion Terrell, Cornerback, Clemson. I feel like it's another guy we just haven't talked a lot about. Grades are seem to be all over the board.
- [35:26]
Steve Smith Sr.
I Yep.
- [35:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
Right now he's at 35 overall. Buy or sell. One sentence, bye.
- [35:30]
Steve Smith Sr.
Perfect. He's a good player, not a great player.
- [35:34]
Daniel Jeremiah
Peter woods, another Clemson player, interior. The Clemson players are hard this year because it just didn't add up to what we thought it was going to be in the preseason. But then you go back and watch the tape, you're like, God, he's, he's still damn good. Peter woods, interior defensive lineman. Third interior defensive lineman on the board behind McDonald and Banks at 36 overall. Buy or sell by.
- [35:59]
Steve Smith Sr.
He's not for everyone. He is a one gap penetrator and he's really good at it, but he's also consistent and the production isn't good enough for a guy who's a one gap penetrator. He should be more productive getting the quarterback and tackles for loss. So I'm buying. I was disappointed in the tape.
- [36:14]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right, let's go down into the 40s. This is a, this is an interesting one. Another interior defensive lineman. This class is hard with the interior defensive lineman. Lee Hunter, Texas Tech at 45 overall.
- [36:28]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm buying it because you're right. Some of the, the testing and when you watch him on tape, he's not a great athlete, but he absolutely deserves to be a second round pick based on the production and how good of a football player he is. He gets to the ball, man.
- [36:42]
Daniel Jeremiah
Notre Dame wide receiver Malachi Fields at 60.
- [36:48]
Steve Smith Sr.
I thought he was going the first round. This is perfect. Everything is. This is what happens. Right? I. The dust settles again. I'm buying. I don't like floating your boat too much, so this is kind of irritating me, but I'm buying. I think he's a very good receiver who's not elite. So you're talking about a big body guy who's going to make a lot of plays for you. I think that's a good range to get him.
- [37:10]
Daniel Jeremiah
AJ Hulsey, another player I want to talk about more. We're going to do a deep dive into some of the best defensive backs at some point in the next week or two. A.J. hulsey from LSU. He's a banger. He's instinctive, all those things. Not an elite cover. Guy safety, LSU Hulsey at 64. Right on that cusp of the second round. Buy or sell? Sell.
- [37:32]
Steve Smith Sr.
Move him up. He's. He's. I think he's a lock to go in the second round. Let's not put him on the fringe. I can understand not putting him in the first. Way too productive. Way too instinctive. Way too nasty. Physical. Just a good damn football player. We're talking about guys going to come up and hit you. But also has instincts and a feeling coverage and can play the ball well.
- [37:52]
Daniel Jeremiah
That I don't think you totally grasp the concept of. Well, that would be a buy. If you think. If you think he's 64 or should be higher on the board and. And to Tucker's point or. Dan, someone just texted in the group chat.
- [38:05]
Steve Smith Sr.
I get it. You just broke it on me. You have.
- [38:07]
Daniel Jeremiah
You have no money left in your account. The men's capital is like the fund is. Is obliterated because you've bought everyone. Garrett Nussmeier, 79. Buy or sell?
- [38:19]
Steve Smith Sr.
Sell. You know, Nuss Meyer doesn't even, like. He doesn't have a ton of starts either, man. I mean, that's. That's something like. He's an undersized guy. I. I like him, but he's an undersized guy.
- [38:29]
Daniel Jeremiah
So you think it's like fourth round, basically, or late? Yes.
- [38:33]
Steve Smith Sr.
Yes. Okay.
- [38:34]
Daniel Jeremiah
Jalen Farmer, another name that you and I have talked offline about. The Kentucky guard at 86. Buy or sell?
- [38:43]
Steve Smith Sr.
Sell. I think he's going to end up in the. He's going to end up outside the top 100. I was going to talk to you about it. He is wildly frustrating. Some of the tape is really good, and I saw the really good tape, I think, when I talked to you. And he can move guys off the ball, and he's got all kinds of skills. And then there's tapes you throw on, and it gets frustrating. He's a guy I want to take a chance on, but I don't feel safe until probably day three.
- [39:07]
Daniel Jeremiah
I would buy the hell out of that stock. Carson Beck at 100 overall. Miami quarterback.
- [39:15]
Steve Smith Sr.
Sell. He should be. Am I playing the game right? Sell. He should be much. He should be much higher on the board.
- [39:21]
Daniel Jeremiah
So do you want to buy? You. You're buying the stock. You're like. You're buying that. He is. He's 100 or better.
- [39:28]
Steve Smith Sr.
Oh, I'm selling your ranking. That's what I don't like. I don't like your ranking. I'm buying and selling rankings. Here, the player I love.
- [39:34]
Daniel Jeremiah
It seemed like you had a better grasp of this in the first three or four players, and then you lost.
- [39:38]
Steve Smith Sr.
Honestly, you buy.
- [39:40]
Daniel Jeremiah
So you're. You're buying because you think he should go 100 or earlier. You think he's one of the best hundred players and you're saying he goes. He's even more. You're going to buy because you think he's a great stock to invest in at 100 overall.
- [39:51]
Steve Smith Sr.
Yeah. You think this is my fault. You've way overestimated my intelligence, which is on you. I mean, you. The fact that you didn't talk me through this for at least 20 minutes is how we ended up here.
- [40:01]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right, let's. Let's, let's, let's wrap this. Let's, let's, let's give the kids a. Two quick bonus ones because I've already started flushing out this top 150.
- [40:11]
Steve Smith Sr.
Don't.
- [40:12]
Daniel Jeremiah
It's not necessarily where it's going to be. We. I got a bunch of other players to include in this, but currently I've got dalen Everett at 109, the cornerback from Georgia.
- [40:22]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm buying because.
- [40:23]
Daniel Jeremiah
Buying that he's One of the 109th one, the 109 best players in this draft. Would you draft him earlier at this spot or are you selling because you think I would take him after 109?
- [40:34]
Steve Smith Sr.
I'm drafting him earlier. I mean, look at the tools. Yeah. Buying.
- [40:39]
Daniel Jeremiah
All right. And last. You have no money.
- [40:42]
Steve Smith Sr.
All that new. I'm using all that new ringer money to get players. And you know what? That's fine.
- [40:49]
Daniel Jeremiah
Last one. And I know you're buying here with the, with the 14 cents that you have left in your account. Credit limit just got increased from Tuck Taylor. Green 118.
- [41:04]
Steve Smith Sr.
You know, I'm buying you. You're setting me up now.
- [41:07]
Daniel Jeremiah
Okay. Okay. I just want. I wanted to finish on a guy I knew you loved. Where legitimately, you're on the general manager. We are running the. The Boston breakers, the Boston Baked Beans organization. Okay. Yep. And it's draft night and we're through the second round. I assume we're in the third round. And I say mensch, I got an opportunity to move around or whatever it is. When are you coming to me and be like McShay?
- [41:37]
Steve Smith Sr.
You.
- [41:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
You're the director of all personnel. My right hand guy McShay.
- [41:43]
Steve Smith Sr.
What are you doing?
- [41:44]
Daniel Jeremiah
We. We got to go move and get this guy. He might not be here. Where are you comfortable taking. Tailing Green knowing he's A phenomenal athlete. He is so far from being ready to be a starting quarterback in the league. And he wants nothing to do with a position change, which I applaud him for and get out of here with all that nonsense. But we're going to have to use him in some like short yardage, goal line package type stuff. And we got a truly like three year develop this guy. And you're telling me I got to go draft Taylor Green instead of a nickel corner or a number three, number four wide receiver that can help us right away.
- [42:17]
Steve Smith Sr.
Maybe number three or four wide receiver.
- [42:19]
Daniel Jeremiah
You have to be in the right
- [42:20]
Steve Smith Sr.
position to do it. Like, look, if you're. If there's. There are certain teams out there that, that need a lot, there's other teams that have done a. Done a pretty good job of building their rosters and can take a look at him as a player. I think the middle of the third round you start to think about it because. And you're not tra. You do not give up assets to get a player like him. You would not do that. So you're not going to trade up to get him. That's. That to me is. It's one. You're in the middle of the third round, you feel good about your roster, you. And all of a sudden this guy shows up and you. I think you start to consider taking him. I mean, he's better than Jaylen Milro was. I mean, he's just better than Jaylen Milro was. So if you were willing to take a chance on Jaylen Milro, all these other quarterbacks that were worried about, about their starts, about their frames, about their injuries or all of those things, I get it. Taylor Green's tape is nowhere near as good as a. As a passer. Nowhere near. But he also has some other things that are really working in his favor. Middle of the third round, I'm taking
- [43:17]
Daniel Jeremiah
a shot I can't pass on. I wouldn't have taken Milroe or I wouldn't have taken Milroe to the fifth. I can't pass on.
- [43:25]
Steve Smith Sr.
That makes sense.
- [43:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
I can't pass on a player that I know is going to contribute right away. But if we got in the fourth round, I would absolutely take a flyer on take. But you're willing to take a Garrett
- [43:32]
Steve Smith Sr.
Nussm in the third round?
- [43:35]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, I think Garrett Nussm can start in the NFL.
- [43:39]
Steve Smith Sr.
I mean, he could be. He could. He could definitely lead you to third in your division all every year. That'd be great.
- [43:47]
Daniel Jeremiah
You're. You're you're understanding.
- [43:50]
Steve Smith Sr.
May.
- [43:50]
Daniel Jeremiah
I don't know whether it was my explanation of it or your understanding, but one of the two sucked. But I still give you five stars. Great show, and we'll be back on Monday. What? What?
- [43:59]
Steve Smith Sr.
I cannot. I cannot promise that I'll get it next time either. I'm still confused. So we'll see what happens.
- [44:05]
Daniel Jeremiah
Dan, can you put together some notes explaining buy or sell, please? All right, we'll see you Monday. Must be 21 plus and present in select states. For Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. GAMBLING PROBLEM Call 1-800-GAMBLER or 1-800-My Reset, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New York. For Louisiana, call 1-877-770-7867.
- [45:14]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
This episode is brought to you by
- [45:16]
Daniel Jeremiah
Athletic Brewing Co. No matter how you do game day on the couch, in
- [45:20]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
the crowd or manning the snack table,
- [45:22]
Daniel Jeremiah
ATH Brewing fits right in with a full lineup of non alcoholic beer styles you can enjoy.
- [45:27]
Steve Smith Sr.
Bold flavors all game long.
- [45:29]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
No hangovers, no buzz, no subbing out
- [45:32]
Daniel Jeremiah
for water in the second half.
- [45:33]
Steve Smith Sr.
Stock the fridge for tip off with
- [45:35]
Sponsor/Ad Voice
a variety of non alcoholic craft styles.
- [45:37]
Steve Smith Sr.
Available at your local grocery store or
- [45:39]
Daniel Jeremiah
online@athleticalbrewing.com near beer fit for all times
- [45:44]
Steve Smith Sr.
no time for full TV shows. TikTok has endless short dramas you can watch anytime. Fast paced, easy to follow and hard to stop. Download TikTok now and start watching.