Senior Bowl Day 3 Takeaways: Receivers Shine, Second Impressions, and Other Wednesday Standouts

Summary

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The McShay Show – Senior Bowl Day 3 Takeaways: Receivers Shine, Second Impressions, and Wednesday Standouts

Host: Todd McShay, with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks
Date: January 29, 2026
Podcast: The Ringer

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Overview

This episode dives deep into Day 3 of 2026 Senior Bowl practices, spotlighting which wide receivers popped, emerging prospects outside the top tier, and which defenders and linemen solidified (or didn’t) their stock. The conversation is sharp, lively, and loaded with insider evaluations, giving a real-time look at NFL Draft boards taking shape.

Theme: With a lighter quarterback year, the focus is fully on receivers, defensive linemen, and other positions—relishing the chance to dig beneath the QB headlines and highlight Day 2/3 impact players for NFL teams.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Wide Receiver Showcase

(03:50–25:43)

• Stronger Third Tier Emerges:
  The top four (Carnell Tate, Jordan Tyson, Denzel Boston, Makai Lemon) are likely top-20 picks, but the excitement is about tier-three prospects pushing up the board.

  Notable Names & Performances:

  • Malachi Fields (Notre Dame)
    • “The play of the week so far… Malachi Fields… tracked [an off-target deep ball] down… I don’t think any other pass-catcher is capable of doing that.” – Daniel Jeremiah (04:49)
    • Great tracking, natural hands, impressive at 6'4" despite slightly smaller hands (06:11-06:29).
    • “To see it in person… that was special and it tells you why you’re going to start seeing his name in that top-50 discussion.” – DJ (06:29)
  • Ted Hurst (Georgia State)
    • “He is noticeably more explosive… the way he’s able to accelerate off the line and out of breaks, I was blown away.” – Bucky Brooks (08:24)
    • Consistently making big one-on-one catches (08:22–08:46).
  • Tyron Montgomery (John Carroll)
    • “How… in the bleep did Tyron Montgomery and Ted Hurst… not wind up at a big school in the portal era?” – DJ (09:15)
    • Undersized but exceptional at separating; holds school records (10:47).
    • “Every time you look up it feels like Montgomery’s making a play.” – DJ (11:58)
  • Reggie Virgil (Texas Tech)
    • “He’s had as good a week as anyone here, regardless of position.” – BB (13:09)
    • Plays with patience as a route-runner and a threat after the catch.
  • Josh Cameron
    • Big, powerful, wide catch radius; needs to clean up ball security and route detail (13:43–15:39).
    • “With him and the ball… he’s really reliable as a punt returner… looks different.” – DJ (16:11)
  • Slot/Speed Standouts:
    • Kevin Coleman (Missouri), Barion Brown (LSU), Devin Vossen (South Alabama)
      • All clocked 20+ mph on practice tracking. “Barion Brown was the fastest player at any position on the first day of practice.” – DJ (20:39)
      • Vossen praised for intangibles: “He’s just a diamond in the rough… there’s a place for him in the NFL when you can be that reliable.” – DJ (25:05)
    • Barion Brown: “Uncovering like that today… big-time catches, NFL-style stuff.” (18:43–21:30)

• NFL Projection Take:
  Both hosts agree this is the most dynamic third tier at WR in years, projecting as possible top-100 picks (11:58).

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2. Second Impressions – Defensive Line & Edge Rushers

(26:28–46:00)

• Edge & DL Class Depth:

  • First impressions were all about the DL; Day 2 reaffirms depth, especially among edge prospects.
  • Derrick Moore (Michigan)
    • “Maybe not as flashy [today]… but he’s a true set-the-edge physical type player and then he can work off that to get pressure to the quarterback. Moore has been the most consistent.” – BB and DJ (29:09–31:46)
  • Zion Young (Michigan State)
    • “Plowing J.C. Davis… these are the tone-setters. He’s been a tone-setter, an edge-setter… been playing well all week.” – BB (36:08–37:50)
  • T.J. Parker
    • Flashes elite talent but questions on motor/fire: “I want to see, I’m curious to talk to scouts about the interviews and all that stuff. Maybe it’s about unlocking him.” – DJ (34:50 onwards)

• Defensive Line Prospects to Watch:

  • Caleb Banks (Florida) and Lee Hunter (Texas): Both viewed as potential top-50 picks; Banks’ intensity and leadership noted (44:53).
  • Grayson Halton (Oklahoma): Standout one-tech, “runs the room,” high energy, explosive first step (54:34–57:23).

• “Edge Is Deep”:

  • Hosts rattled off 7–9 names tracking to top-50 grades, emphasizing class depth and fit: “You can’t have enough edges… teams value this so much.” – BB (40:58–41:04)
  • Variances in scheme fit and upside will shape how boards settle (42:54).

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3. Linebacker and DB Standouts

(46:00–54:34)

• Jacob Rodriguez (Texas Tech, LB)

  • “All he does is take the ball away… forced fumble, interception today… the ‘Jake punch’ should replace the peanut punch.” – BB and DJ (46:00–47:41)
  • “He’s a ball magnet… four interceptions as a linebacker is ridiculous. He’s got to be in the top 50.” (47:33–49:36)

• Bud Clark (TCU, Safety)

  • Making the leap: “You could see how coachable, instinctive and impactful he is—just like Hamilton or Hufanga.” – DJ (51:05–52:46)
  • Big time pass-breakups and one-handed interception; rates with strong NFL safeties of recent drafts (51:13–52:46).

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4. OL Notes & Emerging Prospects

(53:42–54:34)

• Maxi Achor (Arizona State, OT)
  • “Cleaned up technique… stoned every defender today. Moves different for a guy that size.” – BB and DJ (53:53–54:21)
  • Demetrius Crownover (Texas A&M, OT)
    • Also named as having a top day.

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5. Rapid Fire: Standouts, “Verdict Still Out,” & “Nudge Guy” Prospects

(46:00–END)

Standouts:

• Nicholas Singleton (Penn State, RB)
  • “Verdict’s still out… I was hoping to see more explosion, more highlights.” – DJ (60:48–62:33)
• Chris Johnson (San Diego State, CB)
  • “Want to see his ball skills translate from tape… want to see him come out strong tomorrow.” – BB (58:32–59:40)

“Nudge” Guys (Surprising upward movers):

• Kyle Lewis (Pitt, LB/S)
  • “Playing linebacker at an extremely high level despite being 5'11” … I’m over it, he’s just going to be a good player. Use him right.” – BB (63:20–64:09)
• Taylor Green (Arkansas, QB)
  • “Seeing real progress… not a great passer but eyes in the right place, picking up coaching, and he’s intriguing for a Day 3 QB.” – DJ (65:12–67:30)
  • Hosts agree: better week than Jalen Milroe’s Senior Bowl in 2025. Mobility and size make him a QB coach’s project (67:51–68:56).

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Additional Notable Quotes & Moments

• “When the ball’s in the air, it’s not a 50-50 ball, it’s [Josh Cameron’s] ball.” – Bucky Brooks (13:43)
• “Vossen… is telling guys from Notre Dame, LSU, Boston College, Missouri… where the leverage point is… he’s just a diamond in the rough.” – Daniel Jeremiah (25:05)
• “Lines stunts are making defensive linemen look good and O-linemen look bad—just play straight up!” – Bucky Brooks (70:22)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------|----------------| | Opening Theme/non-QB focus | 00:16–03:47 | | Wide Receiver recap & tier breakdown | 03:50–25:43 | | Speed data & slot receiver highlights | 18:43–25:43 | | Defensive front seven 2nd impressions | 26:28–46:00 | | LB & DB standouts (Rodriguez, Clark, etc.) | 46:00–54:34 | | O-Line standouts | 53:42–54:34 | | Grayson Halton’s emergence | 54:34–57:23 | | “Verdict Still Out” prospects | 58:32–62:33 | | “Nudge Guy” prospects | 63:05–67:30 | | Taylor Green QB evaluation | 65:12–68:56 | | Wrap-up and final thoughts | 70:18–END |

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Language & Tone

The tone is energetic, conversational, and loaded with inside scouting jargon and stories—like listening in on draft room banter. Both hosts balance big-picture draft strategy with nitty-gritty positional battles and specific coaching details from the field.

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Closing Take

For draft fans and insider football junkies, this episode was a gold mine.
Without the QB hype, the dialogue uncovered depth at WR and Edge, clarified rising prospects, and gave honest, nuanced “real scout” reads on how the week’s action is shaping draft boards—especially for rounds 2–4. Names like Fields, Hurst, Montgomery, Virgil, Clark, Rodriguez, and Green are now firmly “on notice” for draft season.

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“Five stars.” – Daniel Jeremiah, 72:39

Transcript

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We've got a lot to share. It's a jam packed show and I got news for you. There's only 85 days until the NFL draft, so the guy to my right is getting a little bit nervous. But men, you good?

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm great, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Tucker, roll that be. All right, here we go. You know what I love about this year's Senior bowl, okay. Is it's not as quarterback driven and we made the mistake and we listened to or we read the comments and we listened to the feedback. Yeah, we talked too much about the quarterbacks yesterday. We're not going to do it again today. I might mention that Nussmeier kind of carried himself pretty well today and maybe is, is yeah, it's kind of, I would say, removing himself from the pack. But otherwise we've got. The reason why I love it is because I feel like we're back in the old days, man. Like I'm not working at espn. I don't have to just talk about quarterbacks. We got a bunch of players that may be day two, early day three that are going to be impact players in the NFL and we get to unearth some of that talent. The McShay show is presented by FanDuel. Playoff mode is on and FanDuel's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live and offers to boost your winnings every game day. Don't miss out on any playoff action on FanDuel. Download the FanDuel app or head to FanDuel.com McShay that's FanDuel.com McShray to get started, must be 21 and older in present select states or 18 and older in present DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. So this year has felt a little different. Some people might be complaining like, well, we don't have last year we had two guys from the national championship. We had Jackson Dart, we had Jalen Milroe, we had, you know, and like I get it this year we got Garrett Nussmeier and we got Sawyer and we got Taylor Green and we got, you know, we got a North Dakota State quarterback. Quarterback and an Illinois quarterback. And it's not the same. But what is great is that there's a lot of players that are going to be playing in the NFL next year and we've been able to focus on all the other positions Besides quarterback. Okay. So this year in today's practices were a big jump up in terms of the competition, the tempo of things and really. Yeah, just heated. Oh, things were, things were rolling today. What you would expect. Tuesday's kind of that like everyone's feeling their way around, learning the, the, the language of the offense, learning their assignments on defense, trying to go all out, but they're just not ready yet. Wednesday's the last full day of pads where it's not, you know, red zone and all those sorts of things. And you can tell they let it rip today at every position.

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[Bucky Brooks]

Favorite day? Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think the focus has to be on wide receivers.

[Bucky Brooks]

Has to be.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And we look at this wide receiver class, right? And we came into the year saying, yeah, there's a bunch of guys that might be late first, early second. And now all of a sudden, as we get closer to April's draft, we're talking about Carnell Tate from Ohio State, Jordan Tyson from Arizona State, Denzel Boston from Washington, your guy who I love as well, by the way. And I just watched a little bit more tape on him coming down here. It might be our guy soon. Makai Lemon, who's my guy, who you can make an argument, the best receiver in this class. So those are four right there that could go top, should go top 15 at worst, top 20. And then there's some other, like Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, KC Concepcion, right. So there's there's this like second tier of wide receivers. But here I think we have what is shaping up to be a much stronger third tier of receivers.

[Bucky Brooks]

Agree.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I will say this, the play of the week so far came from one of the top prospects in the entire Senior bowl as far as the NFL draft is concerned. And that's Malachi Fields. Like, I'm standing behind Taylor green, the big 6 foot 6 quarterback from Arkansas, and I'm watching him go through a team rep where he looks to his right first kind of, he opts out of taking the easy change, looks back to his left, and I'm like, all right. I see, I see Malachi Fields streaking down the middle of the field, and I see the ball come out right there, balls out. And I'm thinking to myself that's off target. That's a shame because had he led him more to the left of the field, he could have run under it. Now all of a sudden I see Fields start to track it back towards the middle. I don't care if he has two or three catches a game. I don't care if he does anything else. At the Senior Bowl, Malachi Fields, who, who averaged 17 yards per catch for Notre Dame but didn't have I think like 46 receptions this year, didn't have a high receptions total. He showed me something today that I don't think any other player, a pass catcher is capable of doing and I don't know that many others in this class is capable of doing by tracking that football down. It was a wow moment at the Senior bowl today.

[Bucky Brooks]

Remember we talked about his hands after the weigh ins, the eight and three quarters. Forget, with hands that slightly. That are on the smaller side. I wouldn't call them small, but on the smaller side. He's a natural plucker.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Unusually small for a frame, 64 frame.

[Bucky Brooks]

But he's a natural plucker. He extends and just in, just takes it right out of the air.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And if you're going to be that guy who gets vertical with that six foot four frame, as I'm looking up his exact. So he's 6040 flat. So six four, 218 pounds, 32 and a half inch arm length, which is, which is good for a receiver. If you're going to have that length, you better be able to go track the football if you're not going to because he's not the fastest, he's not the sharpest route runner but my goodness, man, we've seen it on tape with him. But to see it in person, a ball that I didn't think any receiver could wind up going and tracking down, that was special and it tells you why you're going to start seeing and you've already seen, but you'll see his name. In that top 50 discussion we talked about coming into the week, who are the top 50 guys we mentioned? Caleb Banks is one of them even though he didn't play this past year. The defensive tackle from Florida, Colton Hood, the cornerback from Tennessee, one of two cornerbacks with Jermod McCoy who's not at this game but could be the first cornerback off the board, both from Tennessee. Who are the. Oh, Lee, the defensive tackle from. From Texas.

[Bucky Brooks]

Lee Hunter.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep, Lee Hunter. Sorry, those are kind of the guys that are first round like in that first round range, I think in that second tier, maybe not first round but early second top 50 prospects, I think. You know, we've talked about, we've talked about Muhammad at cornerback as a possibility. Chris Johnson from San Diego State, a second round possibility. Fields might be the next up after that. Initial list of first rounders here.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay, I'm good with that. Yeah. I'll say this, I love Malachi Fields and I'm just going to transition to another guy here. I hope that's all right. I love Malachi Fields. I watched Georgia State wide receiver Ted Hurst take some reps after him and now he's, he's 11 pounds lighter. He's 207 pounds but he's still 6 foot 3.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

33 and a quarter inch arms.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's long.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

He is noticeably more explosive. He had the play of the day yesterday. He had that one on one catch down the left rail. As McShay likes to say, who's a great catch. When I watch the way this kid moves at that size, the way he's able to accelerate off the line and out of brakes. I was blown away with the ability of this player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Thank you everyone. I'm checking out this chat right now. Thank you for everyone. I mean it just grew like three times over in five minutes. So we appreciate everyone who's jumping on. I see you Jeremy Godd and I see some of the usuals. I see full slate farm, Jack Vasquez, MrJB2. Appreciate everyone being there. We're have a fun hour hour or so here covering everything and we'll try to get to some questions or some thoughts as we go. Can I ask you a question?

[Bucky Brooks]

Shoot.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

How in the bleep, how in the.

[Bucky Brooks]

Bleep on the world.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

How in the bleep did Tyron Montgomery and Ted Hurst from John Carroll and Georgia State respectively in this day and age of nil transfer portal. How in the bleep did these guys wind up not taking money going somewhere? How are they not found? Because I'm watching them on the field with guys, I'm just Notre Dame, lsu, Boston College, Missouri, Cincinnati, usc, Louisville, Mississippi, Texas Tech, Baylor, smu, Wisconsin. How are these guys popping legitimately? Tyron Montgomery from John Carroll and Ted Hurst you just mentioned from Georgia State have been two of the three or four best wide receivers here through two days. I was worried maybe it's just the first day. You know, some other guys are kind of, they like they, they carried it over and actually were even better Today and you talked about Ted Hurst. How about Tyron Montgomery? Not as big as those other two. Malachi Fields at six four and Ted Hurst at 660-3263 and a quarter. But Tyron Montgomery is five, eleven and three eighths of an inch. Okay, 190 pounds, head topped mensch guy, Chris Johnson.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean he did, he did, he did the vertical throw down in the, in the end zone. It wasn't like you didn't get. No one got mossed today but he, but ball was up. He went and grabbed. It wasn't a high point but he went and grabbed it one on one down the field. That kind of highlighted what he's been able to do this this week, but it's been a whole lot more than just that play. Okay, I want to go back to his story. He's from Woodlands, Texas. He wound up at John Carroll, which we had to look up and double check. Felt good about the Midwest. I thought it might be Pennsylvania. Mengcast Ohio. And he was right. Winds up at John Carroll in Ohio from Woodland, Texas. He owns the school single season receiving records for 119 catches, 1528 receiving yards and 15 touchdowns. Also owns the school's all time receptions yard record with 2,599 receiving yards.

[Bucky Brooks]

His helmet's throwing me off. I keep thinking he's a Florida State or Boston College kid and I realize.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Or maybe, or maybe even Notre Dame, Carroll, maybe even Notre Dame, the color's off.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean it keeps taking me off guard.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But what is not catching me off guard is how this guy runs routes, how he separates, how consistent he's been catching the football when the ball's been up in the air. I mentioned all those other receivers, you know, starting with, you know, with Lemon and Tate and Tyson and Boston and even Malachi Fields in that second group. Jeremy Bernard and Casey Concepcion, they're not in this class, I'm saying, but after two days here you start to wonder are they going to creep into like this third tier where we're talking third, fourth round, like maybe top 100. They've been that good guys. Like it's been pretty wild to watch. And especially Hurst with that size as much as like Montgomery's probably caught more passes been made. I don't want to say more consistent but like every time you look up it feels like Montgomery's making a play. But Hurst is so smooth, so fluid playmaker, explosive down the field and he's six, three, three and a quarter, you know. Yeah, those guys have jumped me Any who else at wide receiver?

[Bucky Brooks]

Listen, I think Texas Tech, Reggie Virgil has had as good as week as anyone here. As good as anyone here.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Really.

[Bucky Brooks]

He is. I mean he's winning at the line of scrimmage, he's getting off the ball well. He's getting open underneath, he's getting vertical. I love what I would call his patience as a route runner. Some, some route runners are so quick that they're not setting up their brakes. They're not changing pace, they're not really separating because they're rushing the route. He understands how to stem, how to gain leverage on a defensive back. I also like the way he's been after the catch. I mean, he has been as good as any, not just receivers. I think he's had as good a week as anyone here, regardless of position.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And Josh Cameron's another guy. You've been talking about Josh Cameron, here's.

[Bucky Brooks]

An interesting cat when you look at his build. 6, 1 2, 23. He's built like a big running back, but he's got big hands, 10 inch plus hands and his arms are long. 33 inch plus arms. So even though he's a shorter guy, he's got a real wide catching radius. And man, I mean we got refs out there trying to help these kids out with throwing flags on penalties and like trying to clean up their technique and all of that. There was times today where Cameron was just getting held, I mean blatantly held, and he's still coming down with the ball. Those big hands are strong. He just it when the ball's in the air, it's not a 50, 50 ball, it's his ball. I also like the way he's after the catch. I think you mentioned that yesterday. For a big guy, he runs well after the catch. He can get vertical. Another guy that can plant his foot in the ground and change directions a little bit. At 223 pounds, I was impressed.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, he's a unique prospect. I watched his tape. I told you on the flight down here and it was a long flight. I got through a few players and from Boston to New Orleans, ball security is an issue. I saw it before even, you know, ball security is an issue. When you're watching, you're like, oh, this is going to become a problem. It's almost like watching a, like a drama, right? You're watching early and you know, you're starting to see the plot unfold and then all of a sudden you watch it. Run after catch looks good, Strong break a tackle, balls on. Yep. I knew it. Was coming. I knew it was coming. So that's something he's got to clean up. His routes are not there yet. It wasn't an offensive system where there was a lot of like NFL style routes. But. But I think that's something he can do. And it's going to be more about late separation because of his size and his physicality. But with him and the ball, like, I. It's funny because he's really reliable as a punt returner, but I thought like sometimes on the pluck and run stuff, he was a little like double catch fighting it a little bit.

[Bucky Brooks]

Really. He's caught the ball really well.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know he has. So that's been really encouraging to see. So. So there's some interesting things with him, but you don't find many guys with that big physical build that can catch the ball in space but also can run, have the vision and fluidity and then the strength after the catch. Kind of like, I don't. He's not Debo. I'm not saying that. But it's like kind of those vibes when Deebo's like breaking tackles. He's not the shiftiest and the most powerful, but you look at him, you're like, my man. This guy's so good with the ball in his hands, right?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep. Just looks different.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Looks different. So I'm glad, I'm glad to see that he's having a good week here. And I want to go back to Virgil real quick. It's interesting at Texas Tech because two Texas Tech receivers here, Caleb Douglas is here. He was their leading, leading receiver in terms of receiving yards. Virgil was their leading receptions guy with 57 catches. Douglas had 54. He didn't have the downfield production like Douglas had, but he was like the go to reliable guy. And then there was also Coy Eakin. So yeah, none of those guys had massive production. But between the three of them, Eakin, Douglas and Virgil, they had over 2000 like 2200 receiving yards. So that they very much were spreading the ball out to all their different weapons and a couple good tight ends there at Texas Tech. Yeah, McShay report. It's time, folks. And I'm not going to sit here, I'm not going to beg anybody, but you're going to want to get involved. You're going to want to go to Google if you don't subscribe already, the McShay Report. I'm going to go into some into depth on some other guys, but I do want to mention three names. You know me by Now, I think a lot of you do, maybe some of you don't. I have this obsession. I'm sure a psychologist can. Could get to the bottom of it. I have an obsession, maybe because it's like the underdog. No one thinks they can do it. And then you watch the NFL and you see all these, these slot guys in these nickel corners wind up making. They're just the playmakers. They're difference makers. They're reliable on third downs. Like, you know, you can go through a list of them, go through a whole handbook of white guys for the Patriots that fit the bill. But I'm talking about just slot receivers who can. Who find a way to get open, create first downs, move the chains. Just reliable for quarterbacks. And every year I find a nickel or a slot receiver. Right. It feels like every year you're on.

[Bucky Brooks]

A roll with Nichols. I hate to admit it. You want to.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, it started like Jalen Petrie and it went to, I mean, all Sandstrill, the Lions. I got in a fight. I got in a fight. Branch Branch fight with Nick Saban about Branch, his readiness for the NFL. Yeah, that's a true story. I'll actually tell the more detailed version sometime when we're not kind of here on the clock doing a live show from this Upton Stout last year. A bit of a roll, a little bit of a roll. These slot receivers here, man, and I told you about one of them yesterday. Kevin Coleman, 5:10, 175, 4 pounds from Missouri.

[Bucky Brooks]

I got a better look at him today. I'm with you. He catches the ball well. He's quick.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's a player.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, I like him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He uncovers.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I got another one for you. Which this is a. Is a. Well, a pretty well known name for a disappointing group at LSU this year. Barry and Brown today. And yes, it helps that Nuss Meyer's throwing to him, but you can tell, and this isn't a knock on Aaron Anderson, but you can tell who, who Nuss's dog is, and that's Barry and Brown. Barry and Brown was uncovering like that today and you saw a little bit more juice in the way he was rolling. I want to pull, I want to see the overall speed stuff. I'll talk while I'm doing it, but. But he had some big time catches today and like NFL style stuff like break, top of his route, top of his stem, in and out of break, creating separation. Was it. I think it was Muhammad.

[Bucky Brooks]

It was Malik Muhammad out of Texas, one of them.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. And I was just. I Was impressed with him throughout the day. But I also. I can't get my photos up. There we go. But you could tell the reliability that he had. One route down the left side. It was a comeback and it was. The route was perfect, the coverage was perfect, the ball was perfect. And he was right there. Plucked it in contested situation. I don't know. He just. He kept standing out today throughout practice. I'm trying to pull up these.

[Bucky Brooks]

Is he fast?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There we go. I want to see the overall speed now. That's the D line. This is really good television, I promise you.

[Bucky Brooks]

There it is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Running back, linebacker, tight end, D line. I don't know. I thought I had the overall anyway. I think. I think.

[Bucky Brooks]

Was he fast?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think Barry and Brown was one of the faster ones on the Zebra. The miles per hour now it's driving me crazy. I know it's in here. Anyone who knows me knows that, like, I can't. I'm like a dog with a bone sometimes.

[Bucky Brooks]

Here we go.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Overall speed.

[Bucky Brooks]

Here we go. We got it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Barry and I was getting nervous that he wasn't even on this list. Barry and Brown, this is day one, not today. But they. They post on the. I don't know if you can see this. Probably not, but. But they post on the. Michael's jumbotron. On the Jumbotron at Hancock Whitney Stadium in. Thank you, South Alabama, usa. They post all the by units and then the overall from the day before. It's the Zebra technology. The miles per hour everyone has on them. Okay. And Barion Brown was the fastest player at any position on the first day of practice. I think we got that now. I'm going to pull it away. Michael at 20.35 miles per hour. Ted Hurst from Georgia State. You talked about his explosiveness.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm telling you, man, he's got.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I actually took this picture and had to walk away because it was in the middle of practice. Ted hurst was number two on that list.

[Bucky Brooks]

Did he crack 20?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

20.33.

[Bucky Brooks]

Nice.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know who was fourth on the list? There was a DB, Julian Neal, a guy who you like out of Arkansas was third on the list at 20.22. You know who's fourth on the list? Another guy we just mentioned, Kevin Coleman, Missouri wide receiver at 20.06. All over 20 miles per hour with their pads on in practice game. You always wind up running a little bit faster, obviously. But those are some pretty good speeds from three of the receivers that we're featuring today. The last one I want to talk about is Devin Vossen. A late addition to the hometown kid from South Alabama. I don't know much about him. I haven't done his tape. I watched him today, and you know why I started watching him? I stand so close. I'm like, right there in the huddles. I know. Go ahead. It's getting a little uncomfortable. Why?

[Bucky Brooks]

You are like, you're in the huddle.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I was talking to the running backs coach about how we're teaching you. You absolutely were. About pass protection techniques. Hands in, latch, latching the breastplate. I get a little out of control. I do. I thought you were gonna call a.

[Bucky Brooks]

Play, like, maybe put the ball down, move it to the hat.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know, but I can't thank Drew Fabianic and Molly and everyone with the Senior Bowl. The access that they have allowed us has been amazing. And so, anyway, so I'm standing there by the huddle, and it's every time they break the huddle, the wider. If you watch any of the Senior bowl coverage, they're like, the offensive line group will stand here. The tight ends will stand here with their position coach, the running backs, the wide receivers. So the wide receivers are breaking the huddle or getting ready to go in the next play. Every time they're getting ready to do a rep. Vassin from South Alabama is telling guys from, like, LSU and all. Like, he's telling us from Notre Dame, lsu, Boston College, Missouri, Cincinnati, USC what the stem is, where the leverage point is. We're going to run the sale route. You're going to want to get to 12 before we start to leverage like him. And I'm like, I haven't watched his tape. I don't know him yet. So now I want to see. And I'm watching him run routes and the precision, being reliable, like, understanding how to set up brakes, little things like attention to detail with this cat. And. And then I'm watching him catch the ball, like. Like really, really looking it in. Strong hands. I don't know. And then I go look up. On the ride back, we literally just driving back. Marissa's driving us. Dan and Steve are in the back.

[Bucky Brooks]

Thank goodness.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Safe but aggressive. That's how I drive. Safe but aggressive. No, but seriously. So I'm looking up. I want to know the backstory on this guy. Apparently he was born in Oklahoma, family moved to Germany for a period of time, came back to Florida. Why? You could tell. And I've got to do more history on him. I certainly like. It's going to be one of the first tapes that I watch when we're flying out of here, going back up to Boston. I want to watch Devin Boston. He's 5 10, 182 pounds, had 67 catches last year for 776 and 4. It's not eye opening production.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And yes, it's the local and it seems like maybe they had to pull him in to fill in a spot for somebody, but he wasn't even like superior, like, like wildly superior to somebody like the other receivers in his. So there's something about this cat that made them think he's not going to let us down if we bring him in this game. Yeah, I don't know. Those guys are intriguing to me. Barry and Brown, Devin Vossen, Kevin Coleman. But Vossen is just a diamond in the rough. Keep an eye on that name. I'm going to be interested to see because there's a place for him in the NFL when you can be that reliable for receivers, for quarterbacks.

[Bucky Brooks]

There'll be some more names in the newsletter. Vinnie Anthony from Wisconsin had a nice, nice day too.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, there are more names that will be in the newsletter and I also, I'm gonna do some deeper dives into all this stuff, but there's like a hundred names on these sheets of paper that Dan. I'm gonna, we're gonna bring Dan out to dinner. I'm gonna let Dan come out to dinner tonight rather than the poor guy being stuck sitting here in the convention center. Tucker's gonna be all alone. Tucker looks good in his Carhart. Yeah. So there's a lot more in the McShay report, so please check it out. All right, moving on. This is actually Dan's thought and I like this. Yesterday was about the standouts and the kind of. The first impression.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Today it's appropriate. And I want to go back to yesterday as a. This is a follow up and we're going to call this second impressions. The first impression from the Senior Bowl. The very first impression from the Senior bowl was the edge class and the defensive line class too. If you include Lee Hunter and Caleb Banks, the interior defensive lineman, the dominant group. It was the story yesterday. T.J. parker from, from Clemson. Oh man, he was potential top 15 pick. Mentioned McShay both loved him in the preseason dud during the season by his standards. Then he comes out and has a monster her first day. Then you've got Derrick Moore from Michigan. Michigan didn't quite have the year. He didn't quite put up the. You know, he wasn't as dominant as some of those other Edge guys have been for, for Michigan over the years. Derrick Moore was dominant yesterday and had. Derek Moore had the, the viral moment walking back. Markel Bell, the offensive walking back is.

[Bucky Brooks]

A nice way of saying it. I mean running from his face.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, plowing. Markel Bell, the third guy, Zion Young, big physical dude, plays like a maniac. Everyone remembers that. The overtime, the coin flip, losing his mind. It's when I fell in love with him. If you haven't seen it, you got to go back, Google it. Zion Young coin flip out of his damn mind. Exactly how you want your defensive lineman to be. So though they were the story yesterday and then Caleb Banks who arguably is the most physically talented, most physically gifted player in the entire Senior bowl this year was a little underwhelming. So if that was our first impression yesterday, I'm going to throw to you. What's your second impression of what the story was a day ago?

[Bucky Brooks]

Let's start with Derrick Moore. Didn't think he was as dominant in one on ones I wanted him to be today. But one of the things I really like during teams I think he's, he's very good at this is he does a good job of setting the edge and then using his hands to get off the block against play action. A lot of edges who are great pass rushers like to play the run, I mean like to play the play the run on the way to the quarterback, you know what I mean? So they're getting, they're flying up field and then they're looking to catch the running back. Derrick Moore is a true set the edge physical type player and then he can work off that to fall back inside and still get pressure to the quarterback. I thought that was something that he showed today. So maybe not as flashy. You didn't get that viral moment that was. Today was Zion Young's day for the viral moment. But he did have some, some good moments.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

When I watch him I do like Derek Moore at six, three and a half, 254. He's got those long arms man, 30.

[Bucky Brooks]

And he uses them well.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's what I'm saying. 34 and a quarter inch arms. He can play a stout man's game. And then he, he, he's not, I don't think he has like the fastest first step or like the most explosive outside in move.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's not the bendiest guy.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's not the bendiest game.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, it's not his game but he's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He'S, he shows the ability to get offensive lineman off balance as we, as we've seen and we saw that Markel Bell clip, but it wasn't just that. And I get, you know, people are online. Everyone's gonna be negative in this world, right? So he had a. He had a great play. That doesn't mean he's a great player. Doesn't mean Bell's a terrible player. It was an awesome play to watch and kind of indicated the type of day he had. So everyone utilized that clip to, to, to showcase it. And everyone's. Well, if you just. If Bell, he slipped with his tip and above it, it's like, stop it. It was just a fun play. Celebrate it and move on. There are 15 other plays that were really, really good and probably showed us more about who he is as a player. And what I see, what I've seen from him is he'll set a hard edge. I like the fact that sucker takes on, like, opposite shoulder when the lead blocker comes. Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

They try to kick him out.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, gosh. Zion Young did the same thing a couple times today too.

[Bucky Brooks]

I missed the sound effects. I haven't gotten a sound effect in a while. Yeah, there it is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Now I'm back. I'm like the quarterbacks in day one. I'm trying to. I'm figuring out where the, where the convention center is. I want to know the, you know, what's the verbiage and the play calling now I'm seeing the field. I'm letting it rip today. So, yeah, it's been every week after Wednesday. It's easy to write down a top five. Maybe it's top three. Maybe it's top five. Maybe it's top nine. Whatever the number is, it's easy to be like, these are the guys. And I promise you, Derek Moore is one of the guys and I'm talking with. I'm not saying he's going to be a first rounder. He's not. Probably not going to be. But in terms of the guys who are the best football players here who have stood out, it is, you know, we know about Colton Hood, we know about Lee Hunter. We. We know about Caleb Banks. And we'll get the Banks in a minute. But. Yeah, but More has. I'll say this. Parker had the better day on Tuesday. Yesterday, more. And Zion Young had the best day of the three today. Moore has been the most consistent of them. That's from what I've seen.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think that's good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

Well, you just mentioned Parker. What'd you think today? Say it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, because it's serious. It is you. So I want to frame it.

[Bucky Brooks]

I want to rephrase it well earlier.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So part of the beauty of being here, as I mentioned, with like the wide receivers in Boston from South Alabama, how he was coaching those guys up, you're standing there and you're watching the reps happen and literally like sometimes like, you know, getting. Running into each other and stuff. So like I'm hearing everything and I'm. It's not even a negative and I don't know this definitively, but I'm watching and. And I can kind of see because I'm looking for the why. Right. TJ Parker physically is a first round talent. The power is undeniable. There are flashes on tape. He had a year in 2024 where all it took was refinement. Maybe let's get. And I remember saying refinement with his hand usage kind of array and figuring out how to get home. And I'd be drilling the hell out of like agility stuff and add a little bit more to his, to his, you know, and it's all there for him physically. And there are moments that he does it and he's like, people swear by him, like, wants to be all this stuff. When I watch Zion, he's unhinged. And I mean that in a great way. We played with a Mark Magna, who you mentioned yesterday, yesterday 1, and it's all out. And it's this motor that like, it's insulting to even say he has a good motor because it's different. And it's this eagerness and this fire that burns that like, give me that rep. The coach is gonna have to rip me by the face mask or the shoulder pads away from getting that next rep. And I just don't know if he has it or doesn't have it. And they were like, there's like the defensive line group, man, like they're the bouncers at the club. They control this thing. They control the lock. The offensive linemen are the smart guys. They're like, they're the reasonable ones. They keep everyone in line on offense. They are the stability and the anchor of a football team. The defensive linemen are the ones that come that are going to lead you down the alley and they're going to set a tone and no one's getting past them because they're the baddest, you know, what's on the block. And that's not just a physical thing. That's a mentality that's like, you know. And I'm not saying he doesn't. I truly don't know I just, I wanted to see a little bit more. This is my rep. But you talked about yesterday, like, rep snatchers or like Banks. Like Banks has got the most foul, nasty mouth you've ever heard on a young man in your life. Like, you kiss your mom with that mouth. You know, you're like, he gets fired. But I'll tell you what, Everyone knows who the alpha is in that Gator locker room. I bet you.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's my only takeaway. I thought he was good at moments today. I thought he did. Everything was asked of him. I thought he had a good day. I thought he clearly flashed more on Tuesday. But I want to see. I'm curious to see. And I'm curious to talk to scouts about the interviews and all that stuff. Again, I'm not. And you put me up to this. I just, I'm observing and I'm wondering, like, maybe that maybe it's like unlocking him a little bit. Getting with the right coach. Getting with the right. And we see this all the time, man.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think it's okay to say this.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, no, I know. You get in the right locker room with the right dogs, you want vicious attack animals in that defensive line group. And I think maybe just being around that. Yeah. And you wonder why, like, why'd they underachieve? Why is Peter Wood so talented and he didn't have this amount of sax and he wasn't this dominant. Why is it that? And maybe it's like, it's not the culture or the, the DNA of them yet, but as they grow up and become with the confidence and get around the guy, like, I don't know, the.

[Bucky Brooks]

Tools are all there, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. So it's gonna be interesting to see with him because, my gosh, is he talented.

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Who was the other one?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We had a Zion Young. We kind of saved the best for last for today. Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

He had the viral moment. I went right through J.C. davis, I believe the Illinois offensive tackle who I tweeted about this morning about how excited I was to see J.C. davis. And I think it's there.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm gonna let you watch it a couple good days. You can, you can self describe. There you go.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's sim. It's a similar rep to the Derek.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Moore versus Markel Bell. He just.

[Bucky Brooks]

When you shoot those hands, you have good forward lean. If that offensive tackle doesn't play with a wide base and sit, he's in trouble.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you know what I loved about.

[Bucky Brooks]

That is too high.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know, Davis is too hot. But he came in with good leverage. And as he made contact, he actually, you call it like flat backing. Yeah. Forward lean. He actually re established even more leverage.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know, and just plowed him.

[Bucky Brooks]

But this is another guy. I mean, I think if you're, if you're lining up against Derek Moore or Zion Young right now, you're not psyched about it because they're both being really physical in the run. I mean, Zion Young has been a tone setter, an edge setter. I've really watched. I'm just going to plug him really quickly. I've enjoyed watching Will Kaczmarek, the tight end for Ohio State because those him against those two edges has been frozen fun to watch this week. You hear it, I mean you, when there, there's a rep when he's, when Kazameric is going against one of those two guys, you can hear it up in the stands. The pads are thudding. It is loud, it is aggressive. They were barking at each other today. It's what you want to see. It's competition at the highest level. Both of those guys are playing really well. Today was Young's day to be to go viral with that great pass rush rep, but he's been, he's been playing well. All.

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[Bucky Brooks]

Good for him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let's walk through the Edge class for a minute because this is important. You've got David Bailey from Texas Tech.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yes.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You've got Ruben Bain from Miami. You've got Akeem Messador from Miami. You've got a lot of different opinions on cash flow. Precious Howell who was supposed to be here, had a hand injury and wasn't is not here. Where do we get on the second Keldrick Falk. Sorry, Falk. I'm just writing this down off the top, top of our head. Okay. Bailey, Bain, Mesador, Falk, Howell would be kind of the order I would have. And then now we're talking about three guys here that have clearly shown they are above right. Moore, Moore, Zion, Young and TJ Parker.

[Bucky Brooks]

And TJ Parker.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm sorry.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yes, that's right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That right there. Seven.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Who Honest to God, like why argue against all seven of them in the certainly first two rounds?

[Bucky Brooks]

Correct?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, maybe top 50. Everyone wants, listen, everyone wants an Edge.

[Bucky Brooks]

You can't have enough edges. You can't have enough offensive tackles. This is a position the teams value. They are going to go. I think Howell could go after some of the guys here.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Our Mason who's the most underrated player in this draft.

[Bucky Brooks]

Really good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Our Mason Thomas gotta be in the.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right fit, but really good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And then, and then you're talking Parker. I'm just writing them down. Parker, Moore, Young and Young. This Edge class is really good man. That's, that's the whole point of this. And we talked about last year how good that Edge group was. Is it deep? We don't have to have this discussion but watching those three guys here today and knowing that Howell couldn't play knowing that R Mason Thomas couldn't play because he was still coming up. Not a hundred percent getting right for the combine coming off that injury that he suffered against Tennessee tried to play a little bit late in the season. Gun it out wasn't the same cat knowing that Bane and Macedor just came off the national championship game on Monday a week ago. Bailey's top 10 pick might be top five, top six. He opted out. Cassius Hollow told you the hand. Keldrick Falk I think opted out, but I'm not 100% sure. So that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 guys that honestly I think a lot of teams are going to have at least first and second round grades on and could have maybe seven, six depending on, depending on what they're looking for and scheme fit and all that. But I'm guessing most of those teams will have at least six. Maybe like seven or eight of those guys in the top 50 players because of the position fit. I mean the position, position value and the talent.

[Bucky Brooks]

Even if you don't like the production of a Keldrick Falk, like, it's just the talent throwing the tape. We've seen this before where guys don't put up big sack numbers that still go early because you know they have the ability to get to the quarterback.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right? And it is a fit thing.

[Bucky Brooks]

Like David Bailey fits better in certain schemes than a Reuben Bain fits. It's, it's a fit thing. Teams are going to value guys differently based on what's going to be good in their program.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Caleb Banks underwhelmed you yesterday. Yesterday. What did you see today? And I'll give you my thoughts and we'll move on. We got a few more segments here.

[Bucky Brooks]

I saw progress. I saw a guy that got pissed off and I think that that that helps him. Him and Fernando Carmona from Arkansas, the offensive guard, got into it a little bit during one on one.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, I don't have the best coach as people in my family remind me sometimes.

[Bucky Brooks]

Me neither, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And then I grew up in Massachusetts and like we just, we don't major in like acceptable language. I was uncomfortable today with it got.

[Bucky Brooks]

To the point where the coach had to step in and say, hey man, it's, it's gone a little, it's gone a little too far now. And they did like, you know, dap it up and then they did.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But the funniest thing was the very next rep, very next Caleb. Caleb comes again and is parking Christmas tree, man. He's just let him up. Christmas tree, Christmas tree. Turn those lights on. But that being said, was the only thing I can repeat, honestly.

[Bucky Brooks]

Whatever it takes, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, I think it was.

[Bucky Brooks]

John Henderson used to play for the Jacksonville Jaguars.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And they.

[Bucky Brooks]

The trainer would come and slap him in the face, get him fired up for the game. And I don't mean like, hey, give.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Him a little slap.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean, he would unwind on John Henderson.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

These cats are different.

[Bucky Brooks]

So I think maybe that's what it needed to be because the first rep, I saw some extension with his arm. A little bit of an arm over a little bit. We're using the hands. The second rep. Now he's pissed. And here comes the, like, I'm just bigger and stronger than you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Brute force.

[Bucky Brooks]

And I was looking for this yesterday.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, you are bigger, stronger, longer.

[Bucky Brooks]

You are better than. It's just the reality. You're physically better than this, this other player. Use it. And I felt like today we finally started to see it. Can he do. I think he still has room to get better. Absolutely.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's another guy. What being around him and like the language and kind of the, the antics aside, he's. I really hope he winds up. Remember Walter Nolan? We said he, he landed in a great place in Arizona. Yeah. And I know he was injured for a while, but when he was healthy and ready to play, he was a difference maker for, For Arizona. And because you had grandpa, the old man Campbell and you had some veteran leadership there.

[Bucky Brooks]

That guy's such a dude.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, I would never call that. No. He'd kill me without. Without even blinking. Yeah. Like that hall of Famer. And a great man, too. But I hope he winds up. I think he needs a little bit of that. Yeah. Like veteran leadership around him to kind of channel all this energy and all this talent the right way. Yeah, but, but my gosh, he's, he's, he's special in terms of his gifts, silly. Yeah. All right, now we got a few more segments we're gonna get. Not rapid fire, but let's, let's, let's go. We'll pace it. We got two minute drill here. Yeah. Or 20 minute drill, whatever it is. Standouts today.

[Bucky Brooks]

Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker from Texas Tech.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No matter what, you.

[Bucky Brooks]

You find a way to get this guy in your team. Listen, he had six, seven force fumbles, led the country this year. Four interceptions. All he does is take the ball away. And what does he do today? Force fumble, interception. I will say this in the interception. Do you notice this? He went to the ground, got up and kind of spiked the ball. And where are the pros now, man? Y which surprised me because this is a high level football intelligence player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But he isn't. This is the first week they've played with these. Yeah, I get it.

[Bucky Brooks]

I get it. But I still. I have such high expectations of him mentally.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That'll be the last time he ever does it. 100.

[Bucky Brooks]

But he. What he did at Texas Tech, he shows up at the Senior bowl. He's doing the same thing. He's flying around, he's making quick reads. I.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, that peanut punch is a thing. Like, it's got to be the Jake punch or like.

[Bucky Brooks]

But it's an instinct. You can.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I.

[Bucky Brooks]

You can.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's.

[Bucky Brooks]

Teach it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Remember what I was doing? I went and watched. I. I went on the PFF ultimate and linked it to our catapult and I watched every single one that he had punched out in his career this year. Because I was like, why? Why is this guy able to do it? And I'm telling it. It is it.

[Bucky Brooks]

First of all, it's a talent.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes, his punch is violent, but it's also like, it's so fast, you don't know what's coming.

[Bucky Brooks]

Timed well.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's timed well.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And he knows the perfect. So there's that part of it. And then it's like if you watch the interception, you're like, yeah, who cares? Like, my uncle drunk and Thanksgiving could have made this interception.

[Bucky Brooks]

I don't. He's always in the right place, though.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But there's some guys that just are.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's a ball magnet.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's. They just are. They read it, they feel it, they get in the right spot. And if they're. If there's. If there's trash to pick up, he's there for it, you know? Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

A pick is a pick, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, no. That's what I'm saying. Because you watch them.

[Bucky Brooks]

Four interceptions as a linebacker.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's ridiculous.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's a ridiculous number. 11 takeaways as a linebacker in.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's absurd. He's had a huge issue.

[Bucky Brooks]

And then you. And then you look at the team captain, the one guy that Texas Tech was like, you know, Texas Tech brings in all this talent. But Rodriguez was already there and they were. He was the Big 12 defensive player of the year two years ago. He might have been again this year. I think he was. I think he was back to back. Unbelievable character, unbelievable production. And I think his skill set is probably better than a lot of people thought at one point.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Is There. What's it called in like in the legal system after a certain amount of time. Is there a. Oh, statute of limitations. See, Tucker's not just a pretty face with that nice hat on over there at la. Look, he's. He's our. He's our brains too. Is there a statute of limitations on the Heisman voting? Because I may or may not have made one of my Heisman votes. Like, that's how like, I just think he's special and like the impact player and to be a leader on that defense. As you talked about. We're talking about Hunter in the first round. We're talking about Bailey in the first round. We're talking about Romello height in the first few rounds. You know, I mean like all these dudes that they have. Did you just. But. But this linebacker.

[Bucky Brooks]

I love how you get carried away. Would you have taken Rodriguez over Mendoza as your Heisman vote?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, he wasn't. No, no, no, no, no, he wasn't my. You have three votes as a Heisman. First place, second place, third place. All right, I just want to ask. He was not my first or second place, so that. Okay, but I'm not specifically saying where I voted for him, but I, I'm just. I'm quickly looking up at his. What is his official measurements? I just want to get. That is 6011. So 6. 1, 2, 3, 3. Smaller, shorter arms, average hands. You know. So like what.

[Bucky Brooks]

But don't care.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, exactly.

[Bucky Brooks]

When we do our list of the.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Top 50 players, he's going to be on it. He's got to be on it. Right? Okay. All right. My. One of my standards. We'll go back and back and forth. Excuse me. Bud Clark. Bud frickin Clark. Man, this tcu I was watching yesterday in practice on Tuesday and you can. You can automatically tell. And I always wonder how is it that there's a rapport between a coach and a player in a unit.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you could already tell that he. That the defensive backs coach and miss. I wish I knew his name. I'll find it out before the end of the week and I'll share it. The defensive backs coaches on the. I guess the national team, right? He. Yeah. On the national team. And it was the earlier session even yesterday. He's kind of pushing him harder. He's jabbing him a little bit more. He's coaching him a little bit more. He expects to things out of him that may. I'm not saying he doesn't out of everybody else, but he like knows sometimes as a Coach, you know, he's reachable. There's things like he's coachable. And I saw that yesterday and I saw him make some big plays. I saw him having a good day. And then today it's almost. You get that night's sleep, you kind of reset, you process it a little bit. And today he came out after a really good day, like really standout of one of the best defensive backs in defensive players on that national team. Yesterday in the first day of practice, he was soaring. Today he had this interception where he went up and challenged Jolly, the tight end from North Carolina State.

[Bucky Brooks]

Good player.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And one hand pulls it away. I. I got a video of one. There's one throw over the middle across her. And he comes in and pass breakup.

[Bucky Brooks]

And then the coach comes screaming out of nowhere.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There's going. He sees something in him. Yeah. I'm watching him in the. In start out the day in the individuals, you know, just getting warmed up, doing all these different footwork drills. Ball. He's got really good hands. And now I'm seeing the instincts, I'm seeing playmaking in team. Bud Clark. Here's. You ready for this one? So I did a little research. It's only like a 26 minute drive, but I got some stuff done. You ready for this? On Bud Clark. Power force safeties to have this combination in the last several years. Bud Clark, Greater than 1.5 interception rate. Greater than 1.75 pass breakup rate. Less than 15% missed tackle rate. Kyle Hamilton, Xavier Watts and Hufanga. Telenoa Hufanga. Yeah. Three damn good football players all drafted in very different ranges. Expectations were very, very different for those three guys, but three of the best in the league. I mean, Watts, just a rookie, but he had a sensational season. Okay, for.

[Bucky Brooks]

By all signs.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, by rookie standards. All signs, he's on that. He's on that list at tcu. Pretty cool, right? Yeah. I mean, those are impact players, reliable as tacklers, but impact players when the ball's in the air.

[Bucky Brooks]

And yeah, kids who have flown under the radar because maybe their programs have not been great this year. And then come here and shine is always awesome.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Give me another stand up.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm gonna go. Arizona State offensive tackle Maxi and Achor. And I thought yesterday I was a little concerned about the sets and some of the technique. He was just oversetting. It's a common thing with offensive tackles, especially ones that are maybe concerned about getting beat around the edge. And he was trying to take away speed and getting beat to the inside a Little bit yesterday. Today, I thought he had one of his best reps against Derek Moore. The edge for Michigan, who we talked about and has been good to the point where they got into a little bit of a pushing match at the end. Maybe a punch was thrown and just smooth. I mean, he's, he's 325 pounds, he's 6 foot 5. He's got 34 and a half inch arms. He's long. He moves different for a guy that size. Clean up the tech, like I said. Clean up the technique today. And once he does that, you get to see how good of a player he can be.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I, I actually was watching some of the defensive linemen, and one guy kept stoning all of them. I, I like them, man.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, we said yesterday, I mean, we were talking about it. You could see it. You could see the ability. It was just a matter of, you know, it's tough. You come down here and you're all amped up, and sometimes things that are simple get away from you because you're just trying to do too much. And it seemed like, again, you talk about it, you go home that night, you think, you watch the film, you're like, man, what am I doing? That's not me. And he cleaned up the footwork. He wasn't getting like, you know, he's setting to his right landmarks, and all of a sudden he's starting to lock guys out.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He and Demetrius Crownover from Texas A and M, I thought, had the two best offensive tackle days from the tackles I. From. I mean, I watched all of them, so I thought those were the two guys who were the most consistent and showed the most kind of promise.

[Bucky Brooks]

Still really like Davis from Illinois, but.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He did have that bad rep. All right. My last standout guy, Grayson Halton from Oklahoma. And if you, if you subscribe to the McShay report, he was. I did. Prior to the College Football Playoff, I did the, the guys, the, the prospect that's kind of under the radar to watch for during the College Football Playoff for each of the 12 teams and. Or for 10 of the 12 teams. Because I, I did. I conveniently just ignored the fact that JMU and Tulane were in it. Halton was interesting because I. So I started watching the tape and I almost, almost did. Was Heinecke or Heineken?

[Bucky Brooks]

Oh, the linebacker.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The linebacker. I almost did one of their safeties. And then I kept, As I was watching, I'm like, man, this guy keeps showing up, right? And then I text Nagy about him. Then Nagy's like yeah, man, he's like if you're gonna, he's like, you can highlight any like really like all, all those guys really good, you know, could tell backstories on but like, but I see what, what you see in him. Grayson Halton has added. We talked yesterday about how scouts and coaches and everyone down here, they're not frustrated, but it's like we're adjusting to players aren't staying in the same program. Nutrition, strength and conditioning technique, scheme. Like they're bouncing around from place to place at the nil and transfer portal and guys just aren't as ready in some ways to come in the league. So there's more of an emphasis on coaching early on. Halton's one of those guys that stayed put at Oklahoma four years, put on 20 pounds, made huge strides as a player. His technique has gotten to like an all time high level. It all started to come on. Wasn't even like really a full time starter or was supposed to and just kept getting better and better and took over a job this year and became a huge difference maker for arguably the best defense in the country this past year. You know, Oklahoma, Texas attack, Ohio State for a large portion of the year, right?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's a one technique, right. He can, you can play him at nose, get him up the field, whether it's between the guard in the center or at nose offset. Let him use that quick first step that he has. Like this quick power, like quickness power combination initially that kind of throws you off. Gets up the field. Yeah. Like if you get into his pads, you, you're going to, you're going to have some success maybe moving him off the spot. I'm just trying to look up his, his what? He weighed in at 293 pounds. Yeah, he's a, he's a, some guys like that are three techniques. What's his height? His height was 6024, so you could play him at three, but I think he's more of a one anyway. At the end of the day he's.

[Bucky Brooks]

Just, I love that height for a guy like that explosive first step. That stuff translates range versus the run.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And today watching him, remember I talked about some guys, like I want to see that like the dog in him and I want to see like they run the room. Halton runs the room, man, he ran that like it was him. He and Banks have very different leadership styles, if you will, but his is just energy like non stop getting guys going. At one point he won a rep. I, I think I sent it to Our guys. I'll try to put it in the newsletter. He won this rep in one on ones where there was actually two guys. He split it. It worked off. It worked off the. I think it was the guard and got up the field, won the rep. Clearly. He gets back there and starts ranting and then turns his head and looks back and he goes, I see you San Diego Charger scouts and they have a defensive tackle need. Yeah, like I. I just eat that stuff up. Like, just. Just thinking. Next step. All right. Verdict still out. That was a segment we debuted yesterday. Verdict still out. We went through a couple guys who we just didn't feel like we saw enough. We don't know where we are yet on them. I'm going to throw to you. Who's your verdict still out? Guy. After two days at the Senior bowl, which is not a place you necessarily want to be, but the week's not over.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm going back to the well, and I know maybe people are tired of hearing it, but Chris Johnson, the corner from San Diego State. Listen, I thought him and Tyron Montgomery had some real good battles. The receiver from John Carroll, I thought they had some pretty good battles today. I thought Johnson was good underneath at smothering underneath routes. I mean, he had a. He almost had a pick. He had a pass breakup against Montgomery. There was some good stuff in there. And then you see him. I think it was the last rep of that drill where Montgomery was able to get behind him. And it wasn't even that Johnson wasn't in good position. He was. It just seemed like he missed time to jump and didn't quite, you know, play the ball, which is concerning to me because that's what I loved about on tape. Again, four interceptions last year, two return for touchdowns. I think that's one of his strengths when you watch his tape is his ability to locate and play the ball. So I wanted to see that translate to the Senior bowl. When he's going against better competition. It just hasn't happened. I talked to a couple people who are maybe concerned about the deep speed. We're going to have to see how he runs and injects Indianapolis again. It's player that I really believe in based on the tape, but I want to see more. I want him to see him come out and have a really strong Thursday tomorrow.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, as we were looking at the defensive backs yesterday, I. Chris Johnson was up there in terms of the speed.

[Bucky Brooks]

He was in the analytics. He was. I think he was the highest defensive back, at least from the American practice. Yeah, from the first national practice.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It was the first practice yesterday. But he was not in the overall. So we'll get an update on, on that play. Speed. Right. And again, it's just practice. It's not necessarily the fastest and some.

[Bucky Brooks]

Guys are getting the same kind of reps.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There's things 100, 100, but it can be a good indicator of the guys that are fast. Right. Yeah. My guy is Nicholas Singleton. Nicholas Singleton was over a thousand yard rusher for Penn State a year ago, 2024. Highly productive coming into this year. Katron Allen went for over a thousand. Kedron Allen like held his end of the bargain up in, in arguably the best running back tandem talent wise in the country. But Julian Love and Jadarian Price kind of put a kibosh on that. There was a debate coming into the year which one would be the Indiana backs.

[Bucky Brooks]

Think they may be involved in that conversation, but go ahead.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, I like Caitlin Black today, man.

[Bucky Brooks]

He had a great day.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you can pass block, telephone smart.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But I'm watching Nicholas Singleton and I know he catches the ball well, which he's done here this week. I know he's explosive because we've seen those long runs. I know he's not like the great power back. But a reasonable comp for Nicholas Singleton coming into the year would have been Trayvon Henderson, right?

[Bucky Brooks]

From a physical ability, from a skill.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Set, a trait, catch the ball explosive, doesn't need. In fact, don't want to get him 18, 20. Would like to get him 12, 13, 14 touches in the game, maybe 10, 12 carries, maybe three, four receptions. Right. That's what Trayvon's sweet spot was when he had Judkins in at Ohio State that final year. It was his best season. Don't want him carrying 22, 25 times. And then now this year, Ramon Stevenson takes those big. I went to the Bills, it was like, oh, maybe they're not going to play Trayvon today. No, like Ramondre's going to come out and start pounding you guys and wearing you guys down. Then we're going to let Travion go. And he went for like 78 yards or whatever it was in that Bills loss. Here's the deal. He hasn't done anything negative. He hasn't fumbled, he hasn't like botched catching the ball. He hasn't been horrible in anything that he's done. But I keep asking myself, myself, if Trayvon were here last year, what would that look like? And I know the answer. He's just so damn different that it Would have been three or four highlight runs. Like some, like, go, you know, And I just. I haven't seen that from Singleton, so verdict's still out on Singleton as a player. I was really looking forward to seeing him, like, after a disappointing season, come out here and be like, I'm still that guy.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. So we'll go from there. Finally. Nudge, guys. Last segment. This is the mensch creation and I love it, but it's really what you do with scout with scouts, and you're sitting there in a group, whether it's coaches the first time, getting a look at him, sitting in the stands down on the field, see something, see a guy walk out of the locker room and you're like, what was that? Or like, see a small school guy that you. You don't know, or see a guy that you've known and played at a big program, but he does something different or does something there or makes you think, huh? You know?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Who's your nudge guy today?

[Bucky Brooks]

Well, for me, coming into the week, we talked about Pittsburgh's Kyle Lewis and about position fit, right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

And then he weighs in. He's 5, 11, 6, 224 pounds. And I'm thinking, man, I hope they play him in some safety.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

I want to see him in safety. Well, he's been playing linebacker, and he's been playing linebacker at an extremely high level.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And one of the ways he gets.

[Bucky Brooks]

Away with playing at that size is he's so quick and he reacts so quickly and he closes so well. And you saw it today during a team period, he knifes into the backfield, he blows up, plays in the backfield. You look at him and then you start to see how he's in cover drills. Yesterday he had a great rep where he was in one on one and had an interception. He moves really well for a linebacker. He has good instincts. He closes, he's rangy. And maybe. Listen, that's small. It's small for a linebacker. And maybe he does play that nickel role, that big, the big nickel. Or he plays, you know, play some safety or teams might envision a different kind of role form. I'm over it. I don't care.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Good.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's just gonna be a good player. No, if. As long as you put him in a position to succeed, he is going to succeed. Just use him the right way. He is flying around. I am impressed. I think he's going to go to Indianapolis. I think he's going to have a great workout. He's an ascending player in my Mind.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I feel like my I don't give a bleep itis is rubbing off on you a little bit.

[Bucky Brooks]

Listen, it's long overdue.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, it is. And I like that. I like that for you because I'm done talking about arm length and I'm done with a lot of the nonsense and I'm just, I just want to talk players in ball and that's what we're going to do. Our best 50 football players and I bet you those, those guys wind up being more successful than what we come up with. All these numbers and data and the character concerns and the durability. Like, let's just find the 50 best and let's find guys that can play ball, linebacker. Let's find guys that can block. You know, speaking of which, my nudge guy is going to surprise you. You know who's growing on me a little bit this week.

[Bucky Brooks]

I want to.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Taylor Green.

[Bucky Brooks]

Really? Okay. I have, I have thoughts on Taylor Green. Go ahead.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm seeing progress in him. He's not a great pastor, we all know that. But I'm starting to see him like where his eyes are going in the right place. He's picking up on coaching. He made a clear progression from. I want to make it perfectly clear, like Altmeyer continues to be really, really impressive with his brain, his pre snap, his checking out of plays, all that stuff getting like he's doing all the right things. Nussmeyer is clearly the most gifted quarterback here. He's going to be the first quarterback drafted of all these guys. He's had the durability stuff. Really interesting quotes from him talking here a couple of weeks ago. Didn't even know he'd be ready to play. Thrilled when he got the clearance from the medical staff.

[Bucky Brooks]

Seen the field.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, had to kind of get, get out there and start throwing again to retrain because he got himself in so many bad habits. He's. He's driving the ball. He's never. He doesn't have an elite arm. He doesn't have Baker Mayfield's arm we talked about. He's similar build, similar kind of aggressive style. Doesn't have Baker's arm. So he gets himself into some trouble. But nuss is take. Is taking off. We saw that today. But as I'm watching Taylon and you've got Altmeyer who's like the, like the captain, the consist captain of consistency and Nussmeyer who's clearly the guy. Talen's just quietly going through his reps and it's hard to do it quietly at 6, 6, 200. And what was it? 200. And I want to give you the exact number. 29 pounds, 10 inch handspan. He just envelops the ball. He's starting to make reads better. I'm not saying his mechanics are good, but, like, he's throwing with a little bit more conviction and he's thrown a little bit more confidence. And you got to understand, none of these drills are designed for what he does best, which is the mobility aspect. And I've seen guys come down here and look a lot worse who are dual threat guys that go in the league and take a couple years and wind up being Jalen hurts. So I'm not saying anything beyond. I've just like, I'm giving you my nudge, like talents. Had a nice week and my goodness, there's some stuff to work with there. And as a quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, when you were talking about whatever range with the fourth, fifth round, wherever it. Maybe it's third. I don't know. He's intriguing.

[Bucky Brooks]

Are we. Are we doing polls? Can we do a poll?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, we got to get out of here because it's time to go to dinner. And I know it's got.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's got to be quick.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We didn't get to eat at Normal south last night because we took too long.

[Bucky Brooks]

If you were following the show, not.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because the show was late, who's had.

[Bucky Brooks]

A better week, Jalen Milroe last year or Taylor Green this year? I don't even think it's close.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Jalen Milroe was hard to watch at the senior goal last year.

[Bucky Brooks]

Now Taylor Green throwing motion's longer to me. He's still got to work on some of these. He's climbing the pocket and he's keeping his eyes downfield. But let's be honest, he's really looking for defenders. So he's going to run. He's not really. There's just these little things he's going to have to clean up.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, no question. I'm not. Listen.

[Bucky Brooks]

He finally, one rep today, took off and ran. And I said, oh, my God.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because every stride is like four yards, dude. I know.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean, he flies and he's like gliding. It is nothing. He chews up yards. I was like just watching that one rep. I hope you get to see in the game a little bit where he'll be more. It'll be more of a situation where he can scramble. He did hit again. He had a roll out to the right where he threw an interception. Bad decision.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes.

[Bucky Brooks]

There's things that he has to work on. He's had a better week here than Jalen Milroe did last year, who went in the third round, I think, to Seattle. It's. He's an interesting cat in a weak quarterback class.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. I'm intrigued to watch him tomorrow when we get into the red zone stuff and some of those things. I'm intrigued to watch him in the game where he can actually do what he does best. His decision making was absolute trash at times at Arkansas. Don't get me wrong. His accuracy as a passer is not anywhere near where it needs to be. But I'm watching a young man who's, like, quietly absorbing and picking up on coaching. And, like, that's fun to me. This is like, that. That's exciting. And it's not Jalen with all this hype and all this stuff. He's just in there kind of grinding away, doing his thing. So I'm intrigued to watch where that turns out. I'm also. I'm intrigued to see, like, hey, atb, you're gonna show up tomorrow. Cole Marie, where you been? Can I call you hun? I think that gets you in trouble.

[Bucky Brooks]

Might get you in trouble.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. So I get in the middle of the week, it's not Saturday night, but tomorrow night is gonna be a big show. All right? And so we're gonna need everyone. Awesome showing tonight, you know, for a. For a Wednesday night. I get it. But tomorrow night's gonna, like, put the ATB out on. On. On atb, right? ATP on a atb. Yeah. Yeah. So that's tomorrow night. We're back live.

[Bucky Brooks]

I have. I have my final offensive line take for the night. What am I. Am I losing my mind, or is there one time in this game where you could not run line stunts that you just had to play vanilla up front?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, that was the thing, I think, why you couldn't blitz. You still can't blitz.

[Bucky Brooks]

No, I'm seeing all these line stunts. I don't care about pickers and loopers right now. I want to see guys who can win one on one. You have these offensive linemen have never played together, trying to stay on level and pass off line stunts. And it's making these defensive linemen look good and the offensive lineman look bad. Enough. Enough. Get rid of the pickers and loopers. Let's just line up and play. I'm over it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Such an offensive lineman thing to do to. I gotta protect my guys. Cross the complaining, like, adapt or die mention. What do you want me to tell you? I hear you it is. It does add to the complications of it. We're back tomorrow night, 8 o' clock Eastern, 7 o' clock Central. We're going to Netflix next Monday. Be prepared. We'll get you more information on how that's all going to work. Nothing. No one freak out. We're still gonna have, we're still gonna have a lot of content coming on the YouTube page. We're gonna, we're shifting over to Netflix. We're excited about that. There's a lot of opportunities, there's a lot of growth. We're gonna get everyone the information they need. And we have worked diligently to make sure that our audience that means the world to us is gonna be in great shape. So trust us on that. Okay? There's one other. The McShay report is gonna be out in just a few short hours. We're gonna let Dan eat tonight and then he'll post it. We are doing IG Live lives at.

[Bucky Brooks]

The end of, at the end of.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Practices, which, by the way, I thought IG Live. Like, I thought we were doing like a mini show. And so we get on IG Live yesterday and apparently like two minutes in, people are doing the mo, like yawning emoji and stuff. I thought we were doing like a 10 minute show like when we had our, our pre meetings and Dan and Marissa are in the background, like. And I'm like, no, we're just warming up. I got like. So we kind of figured, finally kind of figured that thing out today. But yeah, we're on IG. We're on Che13ugoodmensch. That's it. I don't want to plug anymore. We just appreciate you being here. This is an awesome time and hopefully this is a little bit more of the show you were looking for yesterday without all the quarterback stuff. Because this is more of the Senior bowl that I fell in love with as a young scout in this industry and I'm psyched to be digging in deeper than I have been able to for the last, I don't know how many years working for, for a, you know, for the, for the big network. So, yeah, this has been great.

[Bucky Brooks]

Five stars.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's my line.

[Bucky Brooks]

I know. I just took it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Five stars.

[Bucky Brooks]

You looked at me. I didn't know what to say. I panicked.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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