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Day one from the Senior Bowl. Practices are done. We're thawing out. It was a great day of practice, and we got a lot to cover. We're excited that you're joining us here live on YouTube right now. And you know what? There's only 86 days until the NFL draft, so we got no time to waste. Mensch, you good?
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I'm great, man.
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Tucker, you know what to do. Roll that thing, baby. Here we are. It's just you and me. It's quiet in here. We had a busy day. Schedules change. They pushed practice back to 1:30 to 3:30 Central Time. Then 44 to 6 felt good early on. Then it got real cold. But everyone fought through. The McShay show is presented by FanDuel. Playoff mode is on, and FanDuel's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live, and offers to boost your winnings every game day. Don't miss out on any playoff action on FanDuel. Download the FanDuel app or head to FanDuel.com/McShay. That's FanDuel.com McShay at. To get started, must be 21 and older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut, and it's not just like southern cold. It's like actual legit cold. We're New Englanders and today was cold. But we got a lot to unpack. 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See Home Depot.com the Home Depot How Doers Get More Done I thought the first practice, which was the 130 to 330 central for the national team, those quarterbacks included Diego Pavia, obviously undersized everyone. That was the big story. All the funny memes get them all out there. The interesting part is no one in the league was surprised by this, but Diego Pavia shows up at 5, 097, meaning 5, 9 and 78 of an inch essentially 5 foot 10, 198 pounds which actually surprised scouts a little bit more than even the 5.097 thought. He was going to be around 2109 and a half inch hand span, which is right, right about the average that you look for in a quarterback. And in practice today there's some things I want to get to in between that. That size frame would be the kind of the surprise of the day if I'm going to be honest with you. North Dakota State quarterback Cole Payton, who checked in at 62 and 38 of an inch, 229 pounds, big hands, 10 and 1/8 inch and then Sawyer Robertson, one of my favorites if you follow the show. You know, going back to the Manning passing academy in July, it was a guy that I saw some things from, was excited to see him this season, did a lot of really good things for Baylor. Did not have a lot of supporting cast, but to get to see an apples to apples comparison starting today. The first day of practice was fun to watch and still a lot more to see the next two days and in the game on Saturday. Let's start with this. I don't Think Diego Pavia can play quarterback in the NFL? Let's just get it out of the way. You watch him during team sessions and you watch him during some of the seven on seven stuff. And there's some fun things to watch, man, like arm angle changes on the move, initial play breaks down. He just has unbelievable instincts, and I think that's part of what made him so special at Vanderbilt, why they won all those games. And the comeback moments. He's cool under pressure. Nothing seems to affect him. He really does sense when, when pressure's coming, where it's coming from, knows how to get the ball out. Even though he's. He's shorter framed, throwing over bigger offensive linemen, finds those windows. So he does a lot of the things that you look for at the position. But when you watch him just like the one on one seven on sevens, having to drive the ball, NFL throws. It's not the same as the other guys. And it was the same as Sawyer Robertson. It wasn't the same as the North Dakota State guy, Cole Payton. Right. Yeah. And. And it certainly wasn't the same in the second practice as like Garrett Nussmeier and Luke Altmire, who we'll get to in a little bit. Had a really good day. Yeah. And Green as well, from Arkansas. I'm curious your thoughts on it because it's tough to, to see if we're just being honest. And I didn't want to start the show this way, but we just started on Diego Pavia, so let's just get it out of the way. It's tough to see, see, because it's not like he did it in the, in the whack or like, or, or, or fcs. He did it in the sec.
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Yeah.
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So it's hard to say definitively, like, this guy can't play in the NFL. I'm not saying that. I'm saying when you watch him out there, you just start to wonder, like, are the limitations going to be too much at the next level?
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Yeah, and I think they are. And I think you can, you can rattle those numbers off and you can see him on TV and realize that he's small. But when, and this is why scouts come down to see these players, is why scouts go to games. They want to get on the field and they want to get next to these players and really see what they look like. And when you're standing next to Diego Pavia, he's small. I mean, he is small to the point where. Here's the other thing. Kyler Murray was Small and went, you know, got drafted first overall by the.
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Cardinals and Kyler Murray was, was also like 4,4 speed rifle for an arm like.
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So here's, here's what you're saying is Kyler Murray was a unique talent that was able to play at that size. And honestly, I think you can make the argument that it hasn't gone as well as, you know, they had hoped. Right.
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Yeah, of course.
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So there's that to it.
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You're.
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If you're pave, you don't have that same skill set. So there's that. And teams are looking at you as a potential backup now instead of a starter. And then when you're getting to a potential backup, you want someone who's going to be, you know, someone who's going to run your offense who's, you know, going to fit into that backup role and someone that's small. I don't think you're going to want to put in that backup role as someone who could be potentially a starter down the road or someone that can come in and win a couple games for you. I just think that it's just, it's different. He's not as elite talent as Murray and so he wasn't going to go that early anyways. And now the frame. I'm with you. I just don't think he can play the position.
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I don't want to present it as, as we saw in one day at practice, that this guy's not going to be like, what was, what was he.
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Coming into this week? He was a late, late.
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Yeah. Late round undrafted free agent prospect.
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Yeah.
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And I still think he's. I'm not saying anything changed from one day of practice. I'm saying standing on the field, I don't think there's a more important position than quarterback. Being on the field and evaluating.
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Yeah.
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How does the ball come out of their hand? How are they seeing, you know, physically? How do they stack up? You can take a lot more from that position than you can maybe other positions when you can get on tape and just, you know, study what you see. So that part was, it was interesting. It was, it was definitely a takeaway. Okay. Sawyer Robertson in that first practice was, is the most physically gifted. When you look at his size at six, three and a half, 221 pounds, has some mobility, ball comes out easy. Not always the most beautiful ball. Sometimes there were a couple flutters. Yeah. But, but with energy. And the thing that I liked about Sawyer today was the layering of the ball. Every throw he made was Catchable was like easy. It came out, you know, the trajectory was right and I'm. I felt like in that first practice it was very different from the second practice and we'll get to that in a minute. There didn't, there didn't feel. It didn't feel like there was this rhythm to that practice in the passing game at least. Whereas in the second practice it was like, it felt like a, like a Chip Kelly, Oregon type practice where things were just moving and the quarterbacks had a better grasp. So I'm really interested to see in Wednesday and Thursday, especially Thursday I think too, and like the red zone.
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Yeah.
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Tomorrow I want to see them rip it. I want to see Sawyer Robertson with that frame, with the arm that he has. I want to see him ripping the ball down the field and kind of get into that feel today it felt like he was kind of working his way through the offense, getting a sense of his receivers, making sure his eyes were in the right place, you know, like all of those quarterbacks were struggling under center taking snaps. So there was a lot of like interrupted portions of the, of the practice today. So that's going to be interesting to watch. But I thought Sawyer clearly from a skills standpoint belongs and is like to me is this like kind of mid round jewel of someone. Like, hey, let's bring him in. He threw for a lot of yards, layers the ball well. He's got some mobility, he's got an arm, he's competitive, he's tough. We saw him against Auburn, bouncing up like there's some things there that are really intriguing as a potential backup. The North Dakota State kid, though, maybe it's just because I didn't have the. I had a bar set low and remember I haven't watched every single. But I watched a little bit of tape on this guy. He doesn't have this extensive career to go back on. He did enough really good things to get invited here.
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Right.
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But watching him, he's a lefty by the way. Southpaw, ball's coming out with energy. It's kind of popping off his hand. I thought, honestly, if you, if you were dropped on this planet and you didn't know anything about any of these quarterbacks, at the end of the day, he probably had the most consistent practice of all the quarterbacks, at least on the national roster, I'd say.
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I would say on the national roster, yeah.
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What were your thoughts of what you saw from him?
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Just. I was impressed like you were. I had not seen a lot of him. I thought the ball Came out really well. I like the way he's built. He's not as tall as Robertson, but he's thick and he moves well. I mean, overall, I thought he had a great day in terms of just helping himself. I mean, I'm sure that there's. This is the kind of thing that you like to see at the Senior bowl when these players come in and take advantage of an opportunity.
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It's one of those deals, right, where day one's the foundation, day two is what's the leap. Day three, we're going to get you in the red zone and we're going to test you in confined areas, precision with the football and all of that. I give, like a checkpoint plus to Cole Payton coming in from North Dakota State today in this environment for the foundation piece. Now I want to see tomorrow. Can he take it to another level or was today just a really good day from him? Because if he keeps building on this now, all of a sudden, in a, let's just call it what it is, it's a weak quarterback class. We've got, I mean, we've got one at the top in Fernando Mendoza from Indiana. He's printing the jerseys now. He's going to be a Las Vegas Raider. You've got Ty Simpson, who there's a lot of questions about, because of the inexperience, how the season finished. But for nine games this year, he was as good, if not better, than any other quarterback in the country. And then with, with more Dante Moore going back to Oregon, Trinidad Chambliss. Trinidad Chambliss. Still, uncertainty could be here. I begged him not to fight, put up this fight. He's in this fight, and hopefully for his sake, he wins. He's now taking it to the Mississippi State court, basically appealing the ncaa. And he's suing. He's actually suing the ncaa. We've talked a lot about that on the show. So Chambliss status is still up in the air as we sit here almost turning the page to February. Carson Beck, Garrett Nussmeier, Drew Aller.
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How far do you want to go down?
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I can't go to Drew Aller in that conversation. So there's room is my, my point. And quarterbacks always get bumped up. There's room for a guy like a Cole Payton to take advantage of this class. Now let's flip to the American team.
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Okay.
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The practices I mentioned, you saw two quarterbacks in Altmeyer and Garrett Nussmeier that just were in command, to be honest with you. Altmeyer from Illinois was even more in command than Garrett Nussmeier. And Nussmeier was in command. The intriguing part is always going to be the 6 foot 6, 229 pound, 10 inch, hand wielding, big arm, mobile cat named Taylor Greene.
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Right?
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As a pastor, he's just not there. But I got news for you. The good Lord only makes a few of these, like, ever. Okay? So I promise you, and we're gonna have a segment later in the show called the Nudge guys, when coaches come down here, maybe scouts from different areas come down, they all sit in groups in this stance. Like if you work for the Colts, you sit in a little pod. If you work for the, the jets or the Eagles or the Steelers or you kind of sit in your group and there's always like a. Huh, you know, yeah, see that guy? See 10. And there's quarterback coaches who are like, I don't, I don't care. He doesn't throw the ball that well. It's like a lot of guys didn't at this point. We can work with that. So he's almost like this wild card that's separate where a team on day three is going to take a chance on Taylor Green, even though his, like in the passing drills, it just doesn't match up with Nussmeyer and Altmeyer. So Altmeyer is like this really solid country bread that you toast, you put a little bit of butter on it, but like there's nothing special. Honestly, like, it's just.
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I think he has one special drink.
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What?
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He's got onions. I think he's had onions over the entire course of his career. I think he's a guy when it met, when the game's on the line. He's got, I mean, look at his fourth quarter numbers over the history of his career. He's really comfortable in those moments. I think he's. I get what you're saying.
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Yeah. You're not wrong. I'm talking about he's 209, but there's no onions moments in the Senior bowl. Like these are practices and so the skill set. So yeah, I mean you're not seeing.
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It here, but I would say as an overall evaluation of the player, I, I hear what you're saying. I would say when you're looking at the, the career of the player and the evaluation of the player, that's the one thing that jumps out to me.
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But I had a really unique opportunity standing like literally like the play callers here, the quarterbacks are here, the huddles right there. You know, they're getting the. The C2P. The green sticker, like, is on the back of their helmet. The coach to player, you know, calling in the plays. And I'm. And I'm watching, like, nuss. Meyer's kind of the. He's an interesting cat. Like, he's like. He's. He's kind of the dude. He's. He's the. The energy piece. He's kind of, like, around with everybody. Right. But in a good way. Not Baker, he's not quite as like. Like, let's go. You know, but he's kind of got this juice about him. And then there's Altmeyer, like, the nice, solid country toast. Like, you pop him in the toaster oven, get put spread of butter on just like. And so you view that as, like, yeah, I want more. I want more physically. But you stand down there and you watch the efficiency of, like, a pro offense and how it goes and the verbiage that's coming in and the reads that have to happen and getting everyone lined up, and he's just very steady. Yeah. And so all of a sudden that. All of a sudden that. That, like, just normal piece of toast looks really appealing to you, and it goes really well with, like, a nice soup or, you know, like. And I'm watching him throughout the practice, and I'm kind of falling for him a little bit more. I'm kind of like, I get this guy now.
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Yeah.
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To be around him is to get him.
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Yeah.
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And now I'm watching him break, you know, break the huddle, the efficiency, the reads. Ball snapped, processing, going where it's supposed to go. And I'm watching. I'm standing by the two coaches. The one. They. Different coaches from 14 different NFL teams here. I think it's seven for the American and two of those coaches for. The one was from New Orleans, the other was Detroit. They're. They're coaching the offense. Right. And every time he'd come back, it was a nice job. Yep. That was right. Read. Good job. Just like that.
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Yeah.
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And the ball's coming out quickly and he's placing it. I'm interested to see with Altmeyer because I also remember back to the Manning passing academy and talking to the Mannings and. And talking to all the people who work there and talking to some of the people I really trust in quarterbacking. Like, he doesn't have the tools that the other guys have, but there's something about this guy. He's going to find a way. And, you know, if you look in the NFL, there's A lot of guys that don't have elite tools that Chase Daniel comes to mind. Yeah.
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I mean, more than what he did.
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For a little while that are in the league for 12, 13, 14 years. When they come in, they win games because they know how to run the offense and nothing, you don't skip a beat. Altmire is an interesting player to me because of all those things we just talked about.
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Also we talk about circumstances and what, you know, what was around these players and the Illinois offensive line at times this last season was abysmal.
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Yep.
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I mean, Indiana, they couldn't block anyone. I mean, it was. There were times where he. And to his credit, that can go one of two ways. You can start to speed up your clock, you start making bad decisions. I think he learned to get the ball out quick. I think he learned. I've got to get this to my reads. I got it. You know, it sped up his clock, but not in a bad way, if that makes sense. I thought he really adjusted well to it and was able to overcome that. I mean that. I don't think that Illinois team was all really great in terms of the supporting cast. And he played pretty well.
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Yeah. It was interesting watching some of the quarterbacks with the NFL coaches. Right. For Sawyer Robertson, it was with the Minnesota Vikings coach, who is a past game coordinator. Ryan Cordell. Right. I think that's right. Ryan Cordell.
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Cordell, yeah.
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And. And Ryan was working with. Sawyer's a big tall quarterback, working with like the quick game efficiency of his footwork and. Because I think when you're a bailer, it's a lot of quick game, but trying to speed up his feet so that the accuracy would be there in the short stuff. Right, right. And that was fun to watch then with Nussmeyer. It was fun to watch. Like, you got to remember dad. Dad was a quarterback. Dad's an OC Dad's a quarterback coach. Dad's been in the NFL a long time. He's kind of got all the answers but. Or he's been around all the answers. Shouldn't say he has all the answers. And I don't want to represent that.
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He'S acting that way.
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That he's acting that way. But the high level conversations, like there was this one play where he boot left. I watched it and he'd like that, you know, efficiency of play action, boot throw balls where it should be, but like kind of a quarter count late. But to have see the conversation that took place and I'll get the gentleman's name tomorrow. Whoever The Lions representative on the coaching staff was late on that one. Why are you late on that one? Came back and they had this. I kind of videotaped it too. I don't know, but we'll get some of it in the newsletter maybe. And they were having a discussion between. Yeah, they fooled me. I thought it was man, it was match or match or man, I forget which one. Yeah, and like how quickly he realized it. He realized it. So he was a quarter count late, but he still, instead of like getting got. He, he saw it and like, and then got the ball out. So just to see that high level conversation and when I say in the second practice, things were just moving more like an NFL shit efficiency standpoint. That's what I'm talking about. I'm also watching these guys and Altmeyer, very, very effective and efficient throwing the football and team Nussmeier, even though he's, you know, six one, 200 and what do you check in, 202 pounds. I stand next to him and he like, very similar build. I was 197 this morning when I weighed in up. I'm joking. There's no, there's no scales here at the hotel. But my, my point is that he, in the 707, he's, he's, he. You can see the arm talent and you can see the trajectory and most importantly, leading receiver, like the back shoulder hitting that he wasn't perfect. I'm not saying it by any stretch. It's not like he came in here like, whoa, we got to reassess. This guy's a first rounder. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying his passing skill level is higher than the other five quarterbacks. And so that was interesting to watch as well. So it's day one, day two in the progress, as I said, is huge. Day three and kind of the red zone and the specialty areas is important to watch. And then how does it all play out in the game? We'll, we'll get an accurate assessment. But I think it's been really important watching Sawyer Robertson, coming from that Baylor team where there was a lot on his shoulder and he didn't get the support. And it's going to be really interesting to watch Nuss Meyer this week and even with some of the, you know, offensive line problems. But seeing this week there was a funny. I'll leave it with this. Who was I standing? I was standing next to a couple different guys. Phil Savage, though, had the line of the day. We're watching seven on sevens right I think seven on seven are team. And Nessmayer drops back to pass, and all of a sudden, a pass rusher comes from the backside and he gets strip sacked. Meanwhile, this is a Senior Bowl. You're not here to hit quarterbacks.
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Stay off the quarterback.
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Stay off the quarterback. And Phil turn. Phil Savage, who was actually the executive director here, he worked with the jets for a while. He's with the Rams now. He was the gm. He's gonna run the league forever. Cleveland Browns. He was with the Ravens with Ozzie and helped build that whole super bowl team. He turns, he goes, nus. He goes, poor guy. Comes down to the Senior Bowl. He's still. He's still getting hit. And we were all kind of thinking of it, like, of course, Nuss Meyer. Like, he comes down here, we're supposed to be, like, in glass, like Styrofoam, you know, like, protected. But yeah, yeah. And then I went. Walked over, and he was still like, did the guy purposely strip me or did he just get nudged in? He's, like, confused. Like, it's. That's not supposed to happen. All right, we got a couple more segments here that I want to get to that will kind of lay out the quarterback show over yet or quarterback shows over.
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Awesome.
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All right, standouts, that's this. This is the B's of this show. Okay, standouts. I want to know the players. And there are. I went on McShay at McShay 13. I listed guys who I think are top 50 prospects. We'll get to all those guys throughout the week, and we'll get to some of them here. I'm not saying that these are necessarily the best players here, and maybe they are, but I want to know from each practice. Give me one from the morning, and I'll give you mine. Give me one from the evening one, and I'll give you mine. So I want to go through four players, two each, that were, to you, the standouts in all of practice today.
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I'll start with the national team in the morning. And that was Lee Hunter. We've talked about him a lot coming in. He is an absolute pain in the ass in the run game. You can't move him. He splits, doubles. He. He gets off blocks. He's big, he's strong, he's powerful. The thing that he could really take advantage of here is to show teams that he can get after the quarterback. And I thought he was a little. A little uneven in that area when he was in one on ones. But what I loved. And when I say Uneven. This is what I mean. He's still kind of developing what his arsenal is, setting up his moves, tying his feet to his hands, all that kind of stuff. He's not quite as polished in that area, but he was taking so many snaps and so many reps, trying to get better and just compete. The defensive line coach at one point yelled out and said, why? Why am I seeing Hunter go for the 8th time? Why is no one else getting up here and going? He just kept wanting to get back in there, show what he can do. I thought he was outstanding. And then we got into team. I mean he wasn't great one on ones. You had the great video. I don't know where you posted it, but he gets into team and he gets right to the quarterback and I mean it was. He was having a good time out there. I mean he was. I won't repeat what he said because I can't right now or I don't think I should. But he was having fun getting after the quarterback and team.
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Yeah, he's one of those guys. I'm worried that we're going to see him still here on Thursday.
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He's that. Yeah, he's on that level.
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He's on that level. And I think in a defensive tackle class that we've got some, some really good ones. Caleb Banks has all the talent in the world. We'll get to him I think as the week progresses. From Florida, Kaden McDonald is a great, like probably the best run stopper. Who?
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Caleb Banks. Peter Woods.
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Peter woods from Clemson who's. Who's did again, sack production wasn't where it was supposed to be. I watched Lee Hunter. The difference with him is he can rush the quarterback in the NFL now. And, and so while you got Banks, who's projection didn't play a lot this year, you've got McDonald who's great versus the run but has work to do as a pass rusher. Woods, who's a phenomenal talent, Probably a top 1015 pick coming out of Clemson, but still developing as a pass rusher. Hunter can get after the quarterback now.
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He's got a little bit of room for growth there.
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I understand that. Yeah, you're right. Yep. I'd say of those four, he's the guy I would trust to rush the quarterback the most right now. Right this second.
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Right this second. I hear you. Yeah. I think woods probably has. Still has the higher ceiling in that area.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, you're right. I was actually trying to put a.
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A bow on it. Yeah.
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For a possibility after I said he.
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Was uneven one on ones, but that's fine. Okay.
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I'm going to go to Colton Hood, the other first rounder and may maybe, I would argue potentially the highest draft pick of all the Senior bowl players here. There's a good chance that he is. And what's interesting is his other cornerback mate who didn't play for Tennessee this year because of the injury, Jermob McCoy. Jermod McCoy A year before, probably could wind up going a little bit higher than him. Colton Hood was fun to watch. I'll say this. He's a little bit lean in the lower, but you watch him in his movement skills and his ability to turn and run and his man to man instincts and how fluid he is and like that burst that he has and you're like, oh yeah, right away, like now, now I get to see it on, like I've seen it on tape. We've studied him. There's a reason why he's in top 32. But, but to see it on the field against some pretty good receivers as he's, as he's working today and like it just. There was never a time where I felt like he was in trouble. There was one rep down the right rail earlier on in practice, okay. And he did everything beautifully. Read the route, hips flipped in phase, like. And I'm watching, they're like coming towards me on the sideline, right? And, and he, and he turns balls up, right? And he's in coverage and he turns this way. If this is the right rail, he turns this way and the ball, perfectly thrown ball. I forget who threw it, like right there. Misses it, catch on him, did nothing wrong. But the last split second cornerback coach comes running over, he's like, hey, sidelines, sidelines. Your, your friend work with, you know, work with me here. You've got balls this way. Why are you gonna turn this way? Come back this way, right? Last rep he had of practice, almost identical situation except it was a one on one. There was a competition drill at the end where they had some quarterbacks throwing one on ones. And you know, if the defense made a play, the defensive players went crazy. Offensive guys went nuts if they caught it. Hood's one on one versus who I'm trying to think it was, who's the best receiver. It wasn't Josh Cameron because Cameron had the catch later. It was one of those, one of the receivers on the, on the national side and he balls up in the air in phase, smooth speed, everything you look for turns this way. Knocks it away.
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B
Yeah.
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So like learning on the job that day. One little bit of NFL coaching technique improves. He's got a chance to be a lockdown corner in the NFL and I think, I think today was a really good start for him.
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B
Yeah, I love the way he responded mentally. I mean also in listening, but also not going into the tank about. I just got beat early on.
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A
Yeah.
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B
This could be a long day.
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A
Yeah.
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B
My second guy from the American team is Derek Moore, Michigan Edge. I thought he had a fantastic.
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A
You were excited about this. Listen, I am, Mr. Cash.
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B
Because you.
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A
You wanted to see it and you got to see it.
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B
I did. And it.
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A
Honestly.
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B
Yeah, of course I was. Because it happened exactly the way I said it was gonna happen.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He's long and he. The way he extends his arms and snaps his hips as a speed to power guy, it's explosive. Like he can uncoil on blockers. And Markel Bell, who is a high cut, admittedly a very high cut offensive tackle, has a hard time staying low. Found out today it was a one on one rep and Derek Moore went right through him, knocked him on his back. And that's what Derek Moore does. And I think the teams are going to be intrigued by that skill set. So it was fun to see, to see it come, just to see play out right away because he does it on tape. He had 10 sacks this year. Michigan has had a tough year and I think some of the players have been overlooked. I'll also say that I love. I was telling you this. I love when the rivalry hate shows up at these games.
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A
Yes.
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B
And Kaczmarek, Will Kaczmarek, the tight end from Ohio State, something. You know, they're lined up against each other in run periods and him and Derrick Moore were, you know, like button heads getting physical. For a 255 pound guy, he's pretty stout. Derrick Moore. He is. Got that explosive power to take on blocks and. And really set the edge overall. He just thought he had a really impressive day.
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A
You know who else had an impressive day? A player you may or may not have mentioned earlier in the week. And I. And here we go. And as often happens on this show, I'm trying to kind of do some producing, never directing, but like getting my mind what's coming up next. Where are we going? I probably was looking something up. I didn't hear it the other day and quite honestly, I don't care if I heard it because I've. Because he's my guy now.
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B
Because he's yours now. I get it.
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A
And every once in A while you have to steal a guy from me, and every once in a while I steal a guy from you, and I don't even know if it's you. Sam Roush is quickly becoming one of my favorite players in the entire 2026 draft. Stanford tight end. This guy, man, 117 catches the last three years. That doesn't sound like an insane number. Go watch that quarterback play the last three years. 117 catches is, like, mind blowing. Sam Roush is a first of all, like, right up, right off the bat. Find me a more physical, better blocker. A tight end in this class. Okay, so check that box. He's nasty, he's tough, he's built for it. This guy is like, it's pedigree. Stanford brings in historically damn good tight ends, and he was supposed to be next up. He just didn't know the program was going to collapse around him. So he comes here and I'm like, yeah, I want to see this guy. I've heard a lot of good things, seen a little bit on tape. He's a blocking. He's an inline blocker. Hand in the dirt, he go, I'm watching an NFL tight end. I'm watching a guy with the coordination, the instincts, head around, hands up. Like, the coordination is the word. It kept coming back to me. Like, you know when the NFL, when you throw the ball to a tight end and you're like, oh, it feels good. Contested, Big hands. My ball, right? As a quarterback, when you throw a ball to a tight end that you trust, oh, it's like, it's like coming downstairs in the snowstorm and having like a warm, like an oatmeal. It's like oatmeal. Tight ends are oatmeal.
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B
That might be the worst one yet.
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A
No, it's soothing. It's comfort. It's like you feel like you get something nutritious in you. You can go, like, be a lumberjack and pack down wood. It's. Yep, Roush is oatmeal. I love this guy. I'm telling you, he's going to be like a fourth round pick. Remember, like Gunnar Helmut? He can't run. He got shot in the, in the leg at the combine. Certain tight ends just got it, man. He's going to average 11 or 12 yards per catch. He's going to be in the league for 12 years. He's going to block in line. He's going to catch passes in the, in the AFC or NFC championship game. He's going to catch passes in the, in the Super Bowl. This guy's going to win a Super Bowl. He's going to win it. Sam Roush is going to win a Super bowl. And it's the by himself. It's the football gods paying him back for what happened to him the last few years at Stanford. This guy is too damn good a football player to be mired in misery anymore. He's going to be a mid round pick and Sam Ralph is going to play a critical role in winning a Super bowl.
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B
While selling oatmeal.
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A
While as a lumberjack, while serving as a quarterback's oatmeal. All right, next I don't even know where we are. I don't need you to respond to that. I'm telling you, this guy's you. I'm telling after the first day of practice, you always walk away and you're like cream is starting to rise to the top. Some guys are different. Roush is different. Mark it down. What's today? January 27th.
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A
Here's a segment, we have two left.
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B
We got to explain this one a little bit.
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A
Hold the verdict. Yeah, hold the verdict. Driving back, it's Marissa's driving us because she drives safer than I do. I'm in the, in the passenger seat. Mench and Dan are in the back. We're trying to figure out a way to, to word this. Okay. Hold the verdict for us essentially is we know there's more there. There's a lot of talent. We wanted maybe like you left wanting. Left wanting after practice today. Know that there's more. Want to see more in a certain area, whatever it is. But at this point you just didn't feel like you got all of them or you want to see more. So let's just hold the verdict. We're not saying he had a disappointment. The five fallers today, five risers, five fallers. Like we're not here to do that show. These are guys that. We just think that there's going to be more. We hope there's more. But today was a little like huh. Didn't quite get what we wanted. Who's your hold the verdict guy?
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B
Florida defensive tackle Caleb Banks. You sent us a video where it looked like he was gonna. When he's hitting the bags he's gonna like the bag was gonna go out of the stadium.
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A
The bag drill. I was watching a bunch of good players and then I was watching Caleb Banks. Right.
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B
He was him and everyone else is what you said.
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A
Good players. And then Caleb Banks and I love the tape. They had to, after the bag drill they had to wait 30 seconds for the thing to stop rocking. Yeah. You know, and you could hear it throughout the stadium reverberating. Right. But then what you were watching in the trenches while I was watching the guys.
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B
I love his tape from 2024. Again, three games this year because of a foot injury. I'm seeing this video of the bag work and I, I'm, I've got my phone out. Every time he had a one on one rep, I'm thinking to myself, this poor kid, whoever's lined up against him, oh no, this is going to be a problem. Problem. And he just kept stalling out as a pass rusher today. To me maybe it's. He didn't play a lot of football this year. He didn't seem to have a plan. He's got all of these tools, the length, the power, the size, the athletic ability and it wasn't coming together in the pass rush today. So hopefully that's something that we'll see him develop as the week Goes on, he'll get more comfortable, but he's. It was just stalling out. I mean, there was a couple times he looked like he was going to lose his footing, and it was just. I was taken aback by how underdeveloped he looked as a pass rusher.
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A
I always think, I guess I go to Dexter Lawrence, right, as a good example of a guy who wasn't there. But my goodness, we knew the talent was there and developed into who he is today as a pass rusher, as a dominant interior force. Caleb Banks right now steps on an NFL field and he is, he's an impact player versus the run. But you kind of. You got to take him off the field as a pass rusher while developing him.
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B
I think he'll get there. I'm with you.
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A
I think he's too talented not to get there. You, you, you do have to wonder, like, it just. He hasn't played a lot of ball. I, I thought it was like 26 snaps. Maybe it turned out to be like 60 snap. It was fewer than like 70 snaps all season long. Just never got a season going because of the injury and tried to play and kind of re. Nicked it and then shut it down. So.
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B
And there's coordination and timing plays a role in any pass rush.
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A
But when you're that big, you move that well and you have that much upper body power. As I saw those bags getting whacked around, it's just a matter of you got to get in the lab and you got to start working on it with the right coaching and consistency. It's like anything in life, right? Like if you go do something five, six times and you think you got it, like, who are you kidding? You got to rep it every day. Like it's got to become your life. And that's what you're going to draft Caleb Banks off of the potential. But I also want to see with NFL coaches and over the next two days, what's the improvement there, you know?
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B
Agree.
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A
My hold the verdict guy, Davis and Igbosan. I wanted to go with your cornerback, Chris Johnson, because I didn't mention him. Yeah, I didn't see enough from him. San Diego State today. And he did get beat one time.
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B
Reggie Virgil in the one on ones.
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A
So I, I almost brought him up. And I just brought him up. I almost went with him.
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B
He did, according to the analytics, have the fastest on field time.
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A
He did. Which actually was encouraging because I wanted to see that. And he's just a damn good football player. So I'm expecting To see more in the next couple days. Igbos is tough because it's just not a scheme fit. But I'm watching this guy who played so much better this year. The penalties were like, like a quarter in terms of like the grabbing, the holding, the PIs. That was the big problem with him. He's big, he's tall, he's smart, he's physical, he'll do all the things. I think Matt Patricia put him in the perfect, perfect situation. They were keeping things in front of him, playing zone, allowing him to be physical at times. With the press and the length, maybe it's just not going to be a great week for him. And I know he did some good things. But Igmanosan, I saw too many times against, against quicker wide receivers where it's like, oh yeah, he is a tall, long legged, kind of stiff hipped by comparison corner who's just not going to match it. So if you're watching today, you're like, okay, we know we can't do a lot of that with him. He's not going to be in a lot of shadow coverage where he's got, you know, where guys were like super quick in and out of their breaks. He just was giving up a lot of separation at the top of breaks today. And so I think you know that about him already.
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B
Right.
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A
But I want to see how he responds, you know what I mean? Like, he flashed a little late too.
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B
Yeah, nice breakup. Breaking way all the. The ball. He, he flashed a little bit late.
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A
But he's a guy that I'm, I was. I'm kind of hoping that we see more from because he's coming off as such a great year and it was a lot of fun to watch him this year because I felt, I felt for him because I knew he was talented. But in 2024, like the penalties and the negative plays were, were so glaring.
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B
I mean there was.
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A
It was like 16.
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B
Was it more than that?
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A
I think it was like 12. I don't know. It was, it was double digit passes, interferences. So he's a player to keep an eye on. And again, in the McShay report. Google it. The McShay report, it's a newsletter. Take a lot of pride in it. We're going to go into a lot more. I'm going to go into a lot more detail on a lot of these guys and have some video to support it. So. But I think those are two guys that we wanted to. The other thing too. With the verdict still out, I'll go as Long as I want. But I will keep.
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B
You will. And that's fine. But you did say on the way in here, just behind the scenes. Oh, guys, I can do this. Oh, I can be quick. I was in TV.
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A
I'm extra. Yeah, I was in TV for big game for 19 years and six months. As my Simba. As my Simba thing from Disney just came in a year and a half late congratulating me on 20 years. Thanks, Disney. A. I didn't make 20 years, baby. It was like two years later. What are we doing anyway? As I learned from my years in tv, I'm actually laying out a little here. I'm stretching because we're at 7:43 and we're trying to go to 8 so we might as well give the folks a little bit more right till 8 o'. Clock. We only have one segment left. The running backs. The Verdict. There's a lot of talent here. Like I saw flashes from Adam Randall, Clemson, and made this one cut and go in the back to the inside, felt the cut lane, almost got tripped up and then takes off speed. He was like second or third fastest of all the players in that first practice. He's a big physical. He's a big back, I should say. He became better at contact balance, became a lot more instinctive. He can catch the ball. He's got speed. He's intriguing. Then you got Singleton. I want to see Nicholas Singleton. I saw like a couple good runs today. I want to see Nicholas Singleton do Nicholas Singleton. Things in the next couple of days, Catron Allen's just gonna be who he is. Big, big tough interior runner. But Singleton can catch.
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B
Allen actually had a faster on field time today than, than Singleton. It's not, it's.
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A
I need answers. Verdict's out. Yeah, yeah, verdict's still out. Okay. And there's some other really good backs too. So I'm just. It was the first day of practice and there's not a lot of like one on one where like they were pass catching and linebackers and all that stuff. So. But I want to see more from these running backs as we get through the weekend team and in some of those one on one pass catching drills. Yeah. All right, last one. Save the best for last. Nudge guys.
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B
We've talked about nudge guys and feel free to cut me off if I'm not doing this right. We've talked about players that are height wise speed guys up to this point. Nudge guys can also be players that jump out for another reason of. Oh, I didn't Realize, you know, that this guy was quite as good.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Or look at him.
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C
He's.
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B
He's competing right now in a way.
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A
That is elevating nudge. Guys are. You're sitting. And I. And I alluded to it earlier, but you're sitting in a pack with guys in the league or whoever you're with, and you're standing like today, like it was, you know, from Phil Savage to Saw Albert Breard, saw John lynch to. To Nick Casario. We talked to Sean Stellata. That son of a. Won't get out of my life. Took a video with him today.
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B
Yeah, you guys, you act all tough and then you're best friends.
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A
I mean, we were North Shore guys from. From Mass. But yeah, he's. And I told him he's still a rodent in my life. He won't get out. Won't get out. No. I love Sean. It is what it is. Beverly game. But you're with whoever you're with and you're like, yo, little nudge. You see that?
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B
Yeah.
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A
You see that? And. And yeah, it could be. Man, look at that. Like the. Who's the. The. That's safety. I don't know that I've seen Ephesians, Ephesians, Pr. Right. From Washington. 660263. 194, I'm telling you, is 210 today. I don't care.
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B
Yeah, he just.
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A
Yeah, no, he looks big. He's.
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B
No way.
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A
He's under 233 and three 8 inch arms. Okay.
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B
That'S absurd.
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A
It's absurd. For a coin. I'm watching him. It's like. You remember that movie Twins with like Schwarzenegger and DeVito.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It was like all really dating yourself. All the other. All the other what? I mean, everything I do. All the other cornerbacks are here. And then it's like. And like big neck and calves. Like, that's a nudge guy from a measurable stim. But there's also guys like small school, you just didn't know this about. They stand out. So give me a nudge guy from practice today.
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B
I'm gonna go with Bryson Easton, the defensive tackle from Tennessee, who was at Tennessee for six years. I think people get a little scared.
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A
Of guys didn't transfer.
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B
No older guy. You know, when you look at the guys who are there for six years, it scares some people away. I was not expecting what I saw during one on ones. And we've talked about coordination of a pass rush. His hands and feet are tied together. He has a plan when he's attacking an offensive lineman, he knows how he's going to try and get that guy off balance. I thought he really popped during one on ones. It was. It caught my attention with how he played today.
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A
You know what's interesting? I don't think we've talked to a scout, a GM or a coach in 48 hours now of being here in Mobile. That hasn't mentioned in one of our conversations. Man, it's different now, huh?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it's not, it's not what you would think. What you would think is all these guys are entitled. They're making all this money. They don't, they don't have loyalty. It's actually not that because that stuff actually helps with scouting. You get to find out who can handle money, who can handle this, who can handle their business, who has people that are reaching in their pocket. Like you actually get more information. It's easier to scout now with some of that stuff. The point that keeps coming up is, hey, they weren't in the, in a program when you become a mercenary and you pay for play every. And you're bouncing around, you go, you're not in. When you go to al. When you went to Alabama with Nick Saban and their, their training. Excuse me, they had a four year program for you and maybe you only made it through three, but at least you got three years. And it was nutrition, it was, it was lifting, it was conditioning, it was your body's. This when you come to us and it's going to be this when you leave us.
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B
A proven program of how to develop players at every position. We have a blueprint here. Julio Jones went here. We know how to develop a wide receiver. You know what I mean? Right.
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A
And, and on top of that they, they haven't been in a system and the technique changes everywhere they go. And so coaches are forced to kind of like on the fly. Are you coming in and February for next season? We got a few months. This is how we do it. Well, that's how we. And players come in and they don't know what their way to do it is. Excuse me. So when you tell me a player is in one place for six years and was part of that program and learned one way to do it and his feet are tied to his hands and you're showing, you know. Yeah, there's something to that and it's something to keep an eye on because it's. That that's been the thing. It's kind of surprised me the most about their conversations over and over again we're talking about yeah, they just haven't been in the program. They're leaner, they're not as thick, they're not as built. Their technique isn't as good. And so we're having we talked to earlier and we're going to share this on Friday with Mickey Loomis the GM talking about we're having to coach more or our staff has to coach more than ever before when players came in because of all those things. I don't know. It just popped in my head when you said that nudge guy for me, Ted Hurst. Ted Hurst is a highlight of the day. Oh my gosh. Ted Hurst is a Georgia. We talked about him in the in the newsletter coming into this as a player to watch big wide receivers. That was a theme 6032 so six, three and a quarter 207 pounds had over a thousand receiving yards last year and you say yeah, it was Georgia State. This guy came out today against this guy came out today against Duke, North Carolina, Chris Johnson, Mench's favorite player that he's yelling at his poor wife Iris about and his sweet five year old daughter about facts. Cal, Penn State, Iowa, TCU like all these guys. Tennessee. Tennessee. And he's getting open challenging vertical and he's making tough catches. He had the catch of the down the left rail. I think it was one hand in the in the end zone contested. Had another one vertically down the left rail as well earlier in the practice. This guy's a player to watch because and he's an all time like yo, who's who's seven right? Georgia State. Let's do a little work on and the wide receiver coaches are like let's go. I want to get to know him more. So Ted Hurst is a player I'm definitely keeping an eye on. Number seven for the, for the national team. We'll see him again tomorrow. Excited to see as we get like you know, day two with with Cole Payton, Sawyer Robertson, Diego Pavia. Hopefully that there's more reps and more efficiency in that practice but he's going to be a guy to keep an eye on out for here.
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B
Love it. I got one more. Do I go more?
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A
Yeah, one more. Wrap it up. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
Ethan one anwa. I don't know if people remember this name. He was a Rice transfer to Ohio State.
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A
Yeah.
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B
When he was transferring the assumption with this kid was he's going to Ohio State. He's going to become the next great offensive tackle for Ohio State.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And he's going to be a first round pick. There's a first round?
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A
Oh, my gosh. That's right.
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B
He went to Ohio.
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A
Ohio State. It's dawning on me. No, I know, but like, he went to Ohio State. Why didn't I hear anything about it?
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B
Didn't win the starting job. He played in 13 games. Did not start a game in Ohio State.
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A
Okay, I didn't know that.
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B
Today, up and down, inconsistent. But we are talking about a 6 foot 6, 332 pound offensive lineman with 34 plus inch arms who moves really well and started 34 games.
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A
He didn't start last year, but he started.
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B
Started 34 games at Rice, at right tackle, at left tackle and he's playing guard. I think if you're an offensive line coach, you think that there might be a diamond in the rough here. It didn't work out last year, but here he is competing. I think he went to the American bowl before he came here. That's where he's at in this process. But when you look at the body, you look at the way he can move, the frame, the length, all of it. If I'm an offensive line coach, I am intrigued by bringing this kid in.
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A
I like that. I like when you hit me with a story, you know?
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I remember like looking at mock drafts in the summer.
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B
Yes.
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A
And it was like, this guy could be first round. Yep. That's interesting. I'm gonna go to a guy that, for that played on a team that was awesome this year for the vast majority, that made a huge, like, impact on the college football and kind of came out of nowhere. The defense got better after a really poor start. And it was, it was Texas A and M. Right. Tucker producing. Even when Tucker can't get in my ear, he's producing. I love it. We will, we'll get to one other player after, but. And you think of, you think of Texas A and M defensively, obviously, Cassius Howell. You think of Torian York and some of those other cats. Right. And then the cornerbacks. William Lee, the third.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Okay. I watched an individual today that I knew was on the defense and he had some moments, but his name is Scooby Williams. Right. You know when you just are watching a player and you're like, that guy's NFL, his athletic profile, the way he moves. I watched him in coverage today. I watched him break up a pass. I watched his range. I watched going sideline to sideline. I just watched a player who's smooth and like, you don't have to be the take on, you know, it's a different position. It's a different position now and I'm looking at a young man who, yes, he only played seven games because of the injury. Okay. But he can cover and I'm excited to see him at the combine.
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B
What he runs and he's productive when he's healthy, man. He's a good player.
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A
And I don't know, there's some. He checked in at. I wrote, wrote it down here somewhere. He checked in at. It was like 6:1. Here it is 626-021. 217 pounds but had 32 inch arm length, which is an elite. But there are a bunch of other linebackers with. In the 31 range. And I just, I even the way like the.
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B
He.
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A
He batted down a pass and then he went and like got down. I'll never forget I went to the Jadavian Clowney's pro day and covered it and they did the drill and they do this at a lot of pro days. But it was like the big deal there because he was like the best player in a draft that didn't have a lot of quarterbacks. Okay. And people were loving the tennis ball drill. When you're running the hoops and you had to pick up the ball today he kind of, he batted down the pass, he circled back around, plucked up the ball like it was a tennis ball and ran off. And I'm like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Lower body flexion, the flexibility, the coordination bend and just like easy to natural. Natural. So I'm keeping an eye on Scooby Williams from Texas A and M. One last guy before we get you out of here. Right before 8 o'.
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B
Clock. I have a term I want to throw you at the end.
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A
Okay. Tucker's so excited about this, this, this reel and I, I watched his tape on the way down here. Okay. And to me he's intriguing as a Baylor, as a Baylor wide receiver because he played in an offense obviously with Sawyer Robertson they had to score a lot of points. He is so unique because his size. He's not a typical. He wears number 34. So it looks weird anyway, right? And he looks like like a 1980s running back almost. You know, like tall, thick build. And I'm just looking up his. Yeah, he checked into 6012-223. Big hands, 10 and 18 inch. Almost 34 inch arm length. He returns punts. He's great with the ball. After catch. Still learning as a route runner. Had some drops on tape. My goodness. Young man, put the ball away because the ball security was scaring me even before you got it knocked out. And I saw, like, there's some stuff there that has to be worked on, but I saw him kind of. It looked like he tweaked his hand, like, stretching out, and then all of a sudden, he comes back. Late in practice, during the competition drill, down the field, one on one, down the right rail. I'm standing right there. Goes by the last play of the entire day. You could see his speed, his natural ability. He catches the ball. Touchdown. Everyone comes racing down to greet him, and he's like, I told you, man. Like, come on, like, get the ball to me. And the confidence. And just to see him flourish when he's not really. He's run vertical routes, but he's like, his route running develops, and he secures the ball a little bit better, comes a little bit more consistent. You don't find many guys built like that who are so good with the ball in their hands. So he's another guy.
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B
Yeah. The way he tracked and adjusted, I.
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A
Really liked, which adds to the profile of a guy who's really good with the ball in his hands after the catch. All right, finish us off right before 8.
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B
Here's a look. A glimpse inside my mind as I'm watching. I watch the offensive line, and I feel like guys fall into roles.
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A
Yep.
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B
In these practices. So I'm going through, and I'm like, Bo Stevens from Iowa. He's coaching everyone up. He's my unk. I. I look at him. He's unk. He's the coach on the field. Kaylin Rutledge, the guard from Georgia Tech. He's kind of the prick. Sam Hack.
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A
Not kind of the prick. Yeah, he's a prick. He's a prick.
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B
Sam Hack for. From Kansas City.
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A
They actually had to. They had to tell him to cool. Like, cool down a little bit. Yeah, they did.
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B
Like, he was. He was getting shippy.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Sam Hacked from Kansas State's the technician. He's just a, like, fundamentally sound guy. But I think I came up. Demetrius Crownover was the dude today. Who's the dude?
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A
Okay.
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B
Who's the guy who's better than everyone else? I thought Demetrius Crown over the Texas A and M office.
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A
I want to hear more about him this week. Okay.
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B
I thought he was the best. In the morning. I have a new. A new. A new thing. Thing.
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A
Okay.
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B
The rep snatcher. And Jennings Dunker from Iowa is the rep snatcher. Explain Zable last year from North Dakota State was the rep snatcher. These are the guys who are saying, you need a right guard. I know I played right tackle. I'll jump in right now. No one's gonna jump in. Like, he wasn't. He wasn't.
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A
Like, it's the equivalent in school of like the, the teacher's pad of like, you always raise Mark Magna. Oh, my God.
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B
We played. Mark Magna was unbelievable. Defensive tackle at Richmond, played in the.
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A
NFL for the jets and the Patriots.
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B
He could have, you know, played it cool, whatever. If you went to match rolls, which were morning workouts, first in line, no matter what, that's kind of the rep snatcher. I want to get as many reps as possible.
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A
So annoying. No, like, like as a, as a teammate. Like, all right, yeah, we get it, Mark. You work harder than us. You have greater stamina than us. You get over the hill faster than us.
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B
The Iowa offensive.
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A
But then you grow up and you're like, man, the amount of respect I have.
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B
He wasn't the best player today, but he was. I'm going to compete. I'm going to take every snap I can get.
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A
That's a perfect way to end it. And honestly, we're going to be here on Netflix next week. On Monday, I have to remind everybody we're excited about it. Excited about the future of the show and everything that's coming with it. Thrilled about the newsletter, the McShay Report. Please Google it. Please get involved. Thrilled about some more news that we're going to present to you in the next week or so. And, like, couldn't be happier. Things are finally starting to freaking take off here, and we appreciate all your support along the way. And I'm most thrilled to be sitting next to this guy who gives me five stars every time. And guess what? It's 8pm Central on the dot.
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B
Let's go.
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A
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