The 2025 NFL Redraft: A New QB1, Hunter Hindsight, and the Pats Pass on Campbell | The McShay Show

Summary

The McShay Show – The 2025 NFL Redraft: A New QB1, Hunter Hindsight, and the Pats Pass on Campbell

Host: Todd McShay
Co-host: Mensch
Date: December 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

This festive edition of The McShay Show brings listeners the second annual holiday NFL Redraft. Todd McShay and co-host Mensch reimagine the first 16 picks of the 2024 NFL Draft, using a full season of rookie performances and hindsight to shuffle prospects and franchises. The episode delivers candid evaluations, insights into team needs, and a blend of holiday humor, all wrapped up in rapid-fire debate about prospects who soared, struggled, or sparked surprise throughout their rookie seasons.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Redraft Parameters and Setup

• Entire 2024 NFL Draft class is eligible for selection.
• The same picking order is kept as last year, post-trades, to preserve team needs and context.
• The exercise emphasizes both rookie performance and continuing player potential.

"We're going to redraft it. Everyone's available and I think they're going to see some major shuffles."
— McShay (05:51)

2. Quarterback Audibles: A New QB1 Emerges

• Surprise at No. 1:
  McShay selects Tyler Shuck (Louisville) for the Tennessee Titans, elevating him above more conventionally hyped QBs like Jackson Dart or Cam Ward due to Shuck's resilience and production with a depleted supporting cast.

“If you're just dropped on this planet starting in September and you watch the whole season at this point… who's been the best quarterback? Tyler Shuck.”
— McShay (07:18)

• Debate Over QB Prospects:
  Mensch prefers Jackson Dart at No. 1, appreciating Dart's overall tools, but stands by his prior evaluation of Cam Ward as the best prospect, arguing Ward was hampered by a poor supporting cast and bad team fit.
  • Both agree that, despite flaws and disappointing stretches, this class’s top QBs wouldn't last past pick No. 7.

“I would go to Jackson Dart here. I think he's the better overall quarterback.”
— Mensch (08:10)

3. Defensive Reorder: Edges and Linebackers Skyrocket

• Abdul Carter (Edge) to the Jaguars at No. 2:
  Mensch bypasses flashy, multi-role playmaker Travis Hunter, insisting Carter’s disruptive traits outshine his sack stats.

"I think he's the most talented edge rusher in that class… He's been more productive than the sack numbers suggest or more disruptive."
— Mensch (11:29)

• Jalen Walker (Edge) to Giants at No. 3:
  McShay emphasizes scarcity and Walker's intangible leadership, noting his NFL success exceeded even high expectations.

• James Pierce and Carson Swessinger Quickly Off the Board:
  The hosts note how positional value and on-field impact push these defenders up compared to their original slots.

4. Offensive Line Shuffle: Campbell Dethroned from New England

• Kelvin Banks Jr. (OT) to Patriots at No. 4:
  Mensch stuns by passing on Will Campbell—who originally anchored New England’s turnaround—favoring Banks’ late-season performance and upward trajectory.

"My job as New England GM is to take the best left tackle that I could possibly get. And looking back on it now, it's Kelvin Banks Jr."
— Mensch (18:25)

• Campbell falls to Cleveland at No. 5, reinforcing a renewed emphasis on rebuilding the trenches.

5. Skill Position Value and Wide Receiver Debates

• Tetairoa McMillan (WR), Emeka Egbuka, and Tight Ends Fly Up the Board:
  Carolina sticks with McMillan, validating his breakout and fit with the Panthers.

• Tight End Talk:
  Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland are closely analyzed for scheme fit, with Warren going to the Colts at 14, Loveland to Atlanta at 15.

  • Ben Johnson’s scheme is cited as a perfect match for Loveland’s skills.

"Tyler Warren's been better than Colson Loveland. I don't think there's any doubt about it."
— Mensch (38:09)

6. Self-Reflection and Evaluator Hindsight

• Honesty About Misses and Hits:
  McShay and Mensch repeatedly reference preseason rankings, celebrating their foresight on Shuck and Pierce, while admitting mistakes (e.g., underrating Kelvin Banks and McMillan).

"I ate it. That's kind of why I just—I had to get him in early, just to hear you."
— Mensch (29:45)

7. Notable Players Falling Out or Trending Down

• Travis Hunter untouched in Top 16:
  Surprise omission sparks debate about role, production, and health/toughness concerns.

• Running Back Ashton Genti and Omarion Hampton Go Unpicked:
  Despite talent, RBs slide due to positional value.

8. The Podcast’s Best Fits and Hindsight Favorites

• Host’s Favorite Fits:
  • McShay: Tyler Shuck to Tennessee
  • Mensch: Tetairoa McMillan to Carolina

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On QB Value and Team-Building:
  “It just doesn’t work without a quarterback.”
  — McShay (28:49)

• On the Shock of New Top Picks:
  “You might say it was Tyler Shuck… the Saints were involved in the two most shocking moves in this 2025 redraft.”
  — McShay (33:05)

• On Evaluating Environments vs. Prospect Talent:
  “I am more likely to say it's their environment more than it is the player at this point in the process.”
  — Mensch (34:31)

• On Will Campbell vs. Kelvin Banks Debate:
  “Santa doesn’t give a gift and then come in and say, I’m taking your gift away.”
  — Mensch (17:06)
  “He’s been an outstanding left tackle… Will Campbell’s been great for the Patriots this year.”
  — Mensch (20:00)

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Timestamps for Top Segments

• [06:23] – No. 1 Pick: Tyler Shuck to Tennessee
• [08:10] – Mensch pushes for Jackson Dart as top QB
• [11:17] – Abdul Carter taken by Jaguars at No. 2
• [13:44] – Giants take Jalen Walker (Edge)
• [16:13] – Patriots’ O-Line dilemma: Banks vs. Campbell
• [18:25] – Kelvin Banks Jr. selected over Campbell
• [22:10] – Campbell falls to Browns at No. 5
• [23:43] – Cam Ward as Miami’s QB solution
• [26:58] – Jets select Jackson Dart at No. 7
• [28:55] – Carolina sticks with McMillan at No. 8
• [36:57] – Saints grab James Pierce (Edge)
• [38:09] – Tight end debate: Warren vs. Loveland
• [44:44] – 49ers take Emeka Egbuka
• [46:45] – Cowboys go off-script for Swessinger (LB)
• [48:25] – Dolphins nab DT Walter Nolan
• [53:43] – Full redraft recap

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2025 Redraft Top 16 Results

| Pick | Team | Selection | Position | Original Team | Analyst(s) Highlights | |------|------------|-------------------------|-----------|--------------|-----------------------------------| | 1 | Titans | Tyler Shuck | QB | Saints | Rise to QB1, rookie resilience | | 2 | Jaguars | Abdul Carter | Edge | | Disruptive traits, upside | | 3 | Giants | Jalen Walker | Edge | Falcons | Leadership, versatility | | 4 | Patriots | Kelvin Banks Jr. | OT | Saints | Replaces Campbell, rising stock | | 5 | Browns | Will Campbell | OT | Patriots | Trench rebuild | | 6 | Raiders | Cam Ward | QB | | High ceiling, needs incubation | | 7 | Jets | Jackson Dart | QB | | Upside, but injury worries | | 8 | Panthers | Tetairoa McMillan | WR | | Immediate fit and impact | | 9 | Saints | James Pierce | Edge | Falcons | Sack leader among rookies | | 10 | Bears | Mason Graham | DT | Browns | Best DT left, value pick | | 11 | 49ers | Emeka Egbuka | WR | | YAC, system fit | | 12 | Cowboys | Carson Swessinger | ILB | | Playmaker, fills major need | | 13 | Dolphins | Walter Nolan | DT | | Physical interior presence | | 14 | Colts | Tyler Warren | TE | | Chain-mover & red zone threat | | 15 | Falcons | Colston Loveland | TE | | Scheme fit, high ceiling | | 16 | Cardinals | Armand Membu | OT | Jets | Right tackle solution |

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Final Reflections

• Quarterback Value Even in Weak Classes:
  Despite warts, the top three QBs (Shuck, Dart, Ward) all make the top seven—proof teams cannot function without hope under center.

• Shifting Positional Priories:
  Edges and offensive tackles continue to rise in value.
  RBs and “tweeners” like Travis Hunter (hampered by injury and unclear role) slide.

• Self-Audit is Key:
  Both hosts stress the necessity of acknowledging previous evaluation mistakes and adapting with new information.

• Holiday Spirit and Reflection:
  Throughout, heartfelt thanks are given to listeners and the show's production family, with hosts embracing the tradition, humility, and humor—making the “second annual redraft” a highlight of the McShay Show calendar.

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For New Listeners

If you missed the episode, the above recap provides a thorough guided tour of the logic, debates, and outcomes from the 2025 NFL Redraft. The dialogue is honest, sometimes self-deprecating, and always rooted in the unique blend of analysis and personality that defines The McShay Show.

Transcript

[Mensch]

Foreign.

[McShay]

The weather outside is frightful. So what do you say, Draft Santa? I see you there. How about a little Christmas cheer? The only way we know how. Our Christmas day tradition around here. It's the second annual NFL redraft, and I love it, by the way. Just 119 days until the NFL draft. The real draft. Bench. I know the answer already. But you good? Feeling jolly?

[Mensch]

I do. Ah, roll that. You didn't think I'd do it, did you?

[McShay]

Not like this. I thought you might dress it up a little bit because ever. I mean, you've become. You've become draft Santa. You have gifts for all the draft fans out there. But this is special, man. I hats off. I applaud you. The McShay show is presented by FanDuel. FanDuel's got it all. Same game parlays, quick bets for jumping in live and your way so you can build the bet that fits your play. Plus, don't miss out on holiday offers and surprises all month long. Download the FanDuel app or head to FanDuel.com McShay to get started, must be 21 and older and present in select states or 18 and older and present in D.C. kentucky, or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. I just threw on a green hoodie because I knew you'd be in red some way, shape or form. Now I just look like one of your elves.

[Mensch]

We got to get after it, man.

[McShay]

Here to package. All right. I mean, all joking and fun aside, it's family time. It's the holidays. Whether it's Christmas, Hanukkah, whatever you celebrate, don't celebrate. We don't. We don't judge. We don't push. We. We just are here because we love family. We faith, football, all. All the Fs out there that are important, right? But we want to wish you, as a show, a merry Christmas, happy holidays, and this is a special tradition that we have just the second year doing it, but my gosh, you just stepped it up, mensch.

[Mensch]

But we.

[McShay]

We wouldn't be a show without you, the audience, and. And we just appreciate you, and we hope you're having a wonderful time with your family and enjoying a little downtime and. And urge you strongly to take advantage of that, even though here we are on Christmas Day. And I'm not gonna lie to you, I promise total transparency. Taping it a little bit in advance. So we can be with our families. But what happens is your crazy uncle who's driving you crazy or your kids who, like, got their gifts. Everyone needs a little break. So whether you're watching this on Christmas or watching it shortly thereafter, we appreciate you doing it and we wish you from. From Mention myself, a very merry Christmas and happy holidays.

[Mensch]

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[McShay]

What do you have to say, Santa?

[Mensch]

The just double down. Just reiterate that I hope everyone has a good Christmas. Gets what they want or Hanukkah. Everyone gets what they want and get to enjoy their families and everyone be safe and have fun.

[McShay]

And if you haven't gotten your inbox yet and you need something to read through as you're kind of decompressing for a minute, the, the McShay report is out there. Google the McShay report. Subscribe. We appreciate it, especially around the holidays. And we got a little treat for you in there today. The inbox. So it's a special Christmas edition. Okay. And, and I, I, I had to lay it all out there. Three picks I got right. Maybe four. I forget a bunch of picks I got right. Some picks I got wrong. Never.

[Mensch]

How many did you, how many wrong did you go?

[McShay]

Four, I think we landed on.

[Mensch]

That's my Christmas gift. Just watch.

[McShay]

I know it.

[Mensch]

Squirm a little.

[McShay]

Love it. Everyone's gonna scroll right past the ones I got right. All right, here's what we're doing today. Here's what we. We're redrafting. It's our, it's our tradition here on Christmas Day. We're going to go back and we're going to give the, give the, the folks of NFL teams a gift, right? The gift of if we could do it all over again. The gift of hindsight. And today's going to be interesting because I not a ton of players outside the first round. I don't think you're going to go in the. We're going to do 16 picks, same order as last year, even after the trades. So we're going to have the Jaguars Picking it too. We're going to go the order that picks were made. We don't want to confuse things even more. But we're going to redraft it. Everyone's available and I think they're going to see some major shuffles. Okay. And I mean there's. I don't think we have to explain a lot more. Everyone's available. Every player that was drafted is available. We. We know the needs. I do want to say this. I, for me at least I included Steve when I was going through the kind of the needs to match players that obviously they like Tennessee. If I'm not picking Cam Ward would have a quarterback need. Right. And. But they also would have other positions of need. So keep that in mind too. It's not. I'm not drafting. I'm not drafting another quarterback if, if Tennessee still has Cam Ward. Right. I'm doing it because we're taking out all the rookies. Right. So I think we decided because you got to pick first in our all McShay McShay show team that I'm. I'm picking first. Is that correct?

[Mensch]

That is correct.

[McShay]

And you're the one who texted me and I knew that I was falling into a trap because it might be the hardest pick to make, but I'm here to make it. So it's.

[Mensch]

I mean I'm fascinated to see what you do here.

[McShay]

The first overall pick of the 20. 20, 2025 redraft. The first overall pick of the 2025 redraft. Tennessee Titans select Tyler Shuck.

[Mensch]

Oh my God.

[McShay]

Louisville.

[Mensch]

Oh my God. Here we go.

[McShay]

Tell me why I'm wrong. Tracking. Tracking to potentially be offensive Rookie of the year. Measurables mobility. 6, 4, 2, 20 mobility. Arm strength. Off schedule. On schedule. 308 passing yards coming off of that game against the Jets. Yes, it's the jets, but he's been doing it for a minute now. He's won three straight. He's led this. That Saints team to which has a bunch of backups and backups to backups. Rattler Spencer. Spencer Rattler, who actually wasn't playing horrifically at all times, showed some promise. Was one in seven as a starter. Tyler Schuck. Four and three. He's. He's been the best. And Jackson Dart has had some moments and maybe we get to dart later. Cam Ward has had some brilliant individual throws and. And plays. Tyler Shuck. If you look at it objectively, standing back and saying it's not like some guy who was a 5th round pick who has average measurables or doesn't run well or doesn't have a big arm. If you're just dropped on this planet starting in September and you watch the whole season at this point, right. What are we, 15 weeks in, 16 weeks into the NFL season, who's been the best quarterback? Tyler Shuck. So what's your beef?

[Mensch]

I really like Tyler Shuck. There's no way he's lasting to the the second round in this redraft. I'll tell you that. He's going early and I get that. I would go to Jackson Dart here. I think he's the better overall quarterback.

[McShay]

I did consider it.

[Mensch]

Yeah, I would go Jackson Dart.

[McShay]

My favorite quarterbacks last year were Jackson Dart and Tyler Schuck. And I'll be honest, in that order. But let me rephrase.

[Mensch]

If I was taking a quarterback and.

[McShay]

I thought long and hard about that.

[Mensch]

I would not take a quarterback here. I think Cam Ward is, was the best. I stand by my rankings from last year. I thought he was the best quarterback prospect coming out. Why has he struggled this year? Well, some of it's on him. Some of it's that he has those bad habits of forcing things, and some of it's that they just haven't built a team that's ready for a young quarterback to be successful. And that's why I would have gone in a totally different direction. I wouldn't have taken a quarterback good.

[McShay]

Well, I get the first pick. You, you jam that down my throat and I'm jamming Tyler Shuck right back down your throat. And honestly, because I, I didn't take it lightly. I'm not doing this for the shock value. And I know, like I was higher on Tyler Shuck than probably anybody out there, but I haven't seen anything to take me off of that scent. And I think he's the type of guy who can. I'm watching him endure not having a good supporting cast and still powering through, getting, I agree, benched. I stood next to him and talked to him for a long time, probably an hour in total. One on one, Tyler Schuck and I standing on a field in Thibodeau, Louisiana in July at the Manning Passing Academy. He thought he was going to be the starter week one. He wasn't. So it was. I don't want to say it was ripped from him, but it was. The rug was pulled underneath him.

[Mensch]

There are a lot of doubters based on how the off season went, a lot of people who didn't think he was going to pan out and look at him now. I'm with you.

[McShay]

So I, I honestly, seeing what I'm seeing with that supporting cast, I'm like, yeah, I, I would do it. I would just. I would just do it.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

All right, so that's it. Tyler shucks off the board. What do you got? All right.

[Mensch]

Jacksonville Jaguars, second pick. First of all, what are we doing trading up like this? Second of all, I'm not taking Travis Hunter here. I said then, as much as I really like Travis Hunter and I do, I would not have taken him in the top five. I said that then. I'm saying it now. I don't think it was the right pick. And obviously, hopefully he gets back to being healthy and he can do some of the things that he can do. But if you're looking at that pick right now, I think most people would agree that maybe going a different direction. I'm going Abdul Carter, and I know he only has three and a half sacks. Really? Yeah. And I know it's been kind of a bumpy season. I think he's the most talented edge rusher in that class, and that's what I would want to. That's what I'm taking with the second overall pick. I think that Josh Hines Allen is excellent. Trayvon Walker is not in terms of rushing the passer. Now you got a guy with Hines Allen that can really put pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I'm taking Abdul Carter here and again, and some of this, when I was looking at it was not only how, how well have they played, but how much do I still believe in them. Some guys, you hear front office guys tell you all the time and NFL coaches tell you all the time. I knew week one this guy wasn't. Wasn't what we were. You know, we thought we're getting a much better player. And I knew week one he wasn't going to be that guy. And they'll say the opposite, too. I knew week one this guy was going to be way better than we thought he was going to be. There are still players that I think that are, you know, it's tbd. And I think Abdul Carter is going to be. I think he's been more productive than the sack numbers suggest or more disruptive. And I think he's still got the ability to become an elite edge guy.

[McShay]

Yeah, I, I don't totally disagree. I started to worry a little bit. You know, he gets benched for coach's decision. At one point, I kind of knew. We kind of knew that. There's. There's a quarter of A screw loose, you know, like, but I, but I love my edge rushers having a quarter of a screw loose. And maybe they don't always, like, everything's not, you know, peaches and cream and amicable and, you know, like, but what makes you great can also make you a handful to deal with, you know, But I, I, yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't give a ton of pushback there. Okay. I was mildly surprised. But, but he had. You've started to see what, what he's all about, you know, Would you have.

[Mensch]

Gone a different edge or would you have gone a different, a different player altogether?

[McShay]

No, I, I kind of like that Jaguars. I feel like if the Jaguars are going to be great, they, and, and they. Meanwhile, by the way, did anyone, did anyone know?

[Mensch]

Unbelievable.

[McShay]

Anyone?

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

And yeah, I want weapons. Like, if you told me you went Ted McMillan, I'd be like, okay, I got it. If you said, I, you know, I, I, I just stockpiling offensive lineman, I went Will Campbell, I'd be like, yeah, okay. But I, like, I feel like that Jacksonville defense has to have the personnel, like, if Trevor's your guy and you believe in it, and it was hard to believe in it halfway through the season, you know, he had that great Monday night game and then there was this dip and it was like, here we go again. And now all of a sudden, he's playing the best ball of his life, certainly NFL life. Yeah, I, I kind of like the pick, if I'm being honest. I kind of like it. All right, so now the Giants are up and they got their, their first overall pick, the number three overall pick in the draft, Abdul Carter, ripped away from them. That's part of this exercise.

[Mensch]

Yep.

[McShay]

I would consider Will Campbell here. Okay.

[Mensch]

Okay.

[McShay]

I think continue. And, and remember, you could play McGuard, then maybe you have to tackle later, whatever it is. I would consider Will Campbell here. I'd consider, consider Will Campbell just about anywhere, to be honest with you. I would also consider Tetroa McMillan.

[Mensch]

Okay.

[McShay]

Because I think wide receivers obviously become a more glaring need and they see the lack of depth and receivers behind, behind Malik neighbors and what they, what they don't have. But I think I would go with Jalen Walker.

[Mensch]

Interesting.

[McShay]

All right.

[Mensch]

Did not see this coming. Okay. The edges, I, there's two positions I think are gonna go much earlier than, well, actually three that did actually in the draft, and it tracks with what you would see traditionally, and that's quarterback, edge and offensive tackle.

[McShay]

We talked. Jalen Walker was one of the 10 best football players. And. And I couldn't believe he got to 15.

[Mensch]

Couldn't talk.

[McShay]

How mind blowing. It was gift wrapped to Atlanta and then. And then credit Atlanta for moving back in. And. And obviously, you know, was it the Rams who now have what looks like it would be the 10th pick in this year's draft based off of the draft or I think unless it's shifted, but somewhere probably in the top 10 picks. With that trade, the Rams. The Rams move out and Atlanta. Atlanta moves in and they get James Pierce. We'll see if James Pierce's name comes up in this draft. I. You give me an edge rusher who can play off the ball a little bit, who could. Who's. Who's tough. The production that he should. He's been an A plus pick for Atlanta at 15.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

And he's a leader and he's like, he's a locker room guy. So I'm going Jalen Walker here, number three. Edges are tough to find and like leaders are tough to find. All right.

[Mensch]

My hometown team, the New England Patriots.

[McShay]

Yep.

[Mensch]

I want to be clear about this. I absolutely love what Will Campbell's been for the. For the Patriots this year. He has shut me up. He has played extremely well. I think if they end up getting him and that's that, then they would be psyched. I mean, it would be a home run.

[McShay]

You're not going to what, you're going to pick a different player for the New England Patriots who have been one of the big. Outside of the Jaguars. I would say the Patriots are the. The biggest turnaround. Well, there's a few of them actually this year. It's been a wild NFL season, but they're on that very short list of like, how in the world did they go from picking four to. And their own pick. Jacksonville traded up. Yep. Their own pick at 4. Fourth worst team in the NFL last year to tracking. Absolutely. And they actually clinched the playoffs with their comeback win. Second best statistically, if you look at the numbers. Second best. The last time they had a comeback win down 11 at that point in the game was. Was the super bowl against the. The. The Falcons. So. And you're gonna rip away Will Campbell from that organ.

[Mensch]

I would not do that. See, this is a different thing. Okay. This is not where they already had Will Campbell. Santa doesn't give a gift and then come in and say, I'm taking your gift away. To give you another gift. You never saw the other.

[McShay]

Well, you look like Santa and you look like you're about to rip away Will Campbell from the page.

[Mensch]

Not rip away Will Campbell because I love what he's been in that locker room like being. That's the local team. I see all of it, man.

[McShay]

So who are you gonna take instead of taking Will Campbell with this pick?

[Mensch]

I'm telling you, the Saints might be on to something, man. I'm taking Kelvin Banks Jr. Same position. I think Kelvin Banks Jr. Is going to be a better offensive tackle in the NFL.

[McShay]

And you live in New England.

[Mensch]

Look what he's done. Look what Kelvin Banks has done. After kind of a rocky start. I know they're going to be mad at me and I love that they got Will Campbell.

[McShay]

And if.

[Mensch]

And by the way, and this is what I was going to tell you.

[McShay]

You know Bill Simmons, I don't know that he writes your checks, but he. I know certainly, he certainly endorses somebody writing your checks.

[Mensch]

I'm not here to make the easy decisions. Sometimes Santa's got to make the tough decisions. And this is one of those deals, man. And I think Kelvin Banks Jr. Should be in play for the first overall pick. I will go ahead and say that I think that Tennessee signing Dan Moore to a four year contract was one of the worst things they could have done. They need a left tackle. They could have got Kelvin Banks and addressed their quarterback position when they were ready for a young player to come in and play. I really believe that much in Kelvin Banks and I didn't go in.

[McShay]

I didn't go in.

[Mensch]

By the way, this, some of this is going back. I didn't have Kelvin Banks that early. You didn't have Kelvin Banks that early. I've just watched what he's done over the last month, how he's progressed over the course of the year and look how he's played, man. I'm telling you, Kelvin Banks is on the rise. I think he's going to be the best left tackle in this group. I love Will Campbell. He should be coming off the board very shortly. He has played. He is. I have no beefs with how he's played for New England. I'm just. My job is, if I'm the New England GM is to take the best left tackle that I could possibly get. And looking back on it now, It's Kelvin Banks Jr. Don't be mad, okay? I thought about sticking with Campbell because it would have been so easy and I wouldn't have to look at your face right now. But he chugs.

[McShay]

He chugs the also game and, and.

[Mensch]

Like he can't pull him out because he's Been he and Drake.

[McShay]

Do you know what Drake May would do to you if he could get his hands.

[Mensch]

Listen, I know, I know Will has been great.

[McShay]

You know what an May would do to you when she's not baby beautiful. By the way. An May is the greatest thing that happened to this Michael.

[Mensch]

Is it a Michael? Yeah. She's been unbelievable. Oh, my. My son Tyler just can't stop talking about the. The bake.

[McShay]

That is what New England needed. The. The. The region of New England needed and they didn't even know it.

[Mensch]

It's been an unbelievable year.

[McShay]

I'm not. Not the only Love Will, not the only northern man to bring a southern woman up here and. And just sit back and enjoy every minute of it. All right.

[Mensch]

I just want to be clear because I called him a guard earlier. Like we're going through the draft. Draft process and he has absolutely been an outstanding left tackle. Will Campbell's been great for the Patriots this year. It's a tough one. I think there's a lot of young offensive tackles in this class that have played at a very high level early on.

[McShay]

I got a tough decision now to make. Cleveland Brown sitting at number four.

[Mensch]

Number five.

[McShay]

But yeah, sorry, number five. They traded back in that deal, got an additional first round pick this year, which is a late first now. And they were assuming it was going to be a top 10, top 12.

[Mensch]

Pick.

[McShay]

But they still got an additional one ammunition if they need to move up. And they got Mason Graham and he's been a good player, but he's not the fifth overall pick. I'm staring at a board with Jackson Dart and Cam Ward and I'm staring at a board with Will Campbell and they have an offensive tackle and a quarterback need. They also have interior offensive line need and they have wide receiver. I mean, they got. They're here they are, you know, again, struggling. This decision will not be made based off of Shador Sanders, although we've seen some promise and we've seen the areas where he clearly has to improve. But I, I haven't seen anything in Shador where I say if this is a slam dunk quarterback class, if a Dante Moore was sitting here, I would say take down. You take Dante more. You know how much I love Jackson Dart. I really do. The head, the head trauma and his inability to protect himself is concerning. And it certainly doesn't help that he was one for five for like three yards or something. Ridiculous. And I think he finished with 33 passing yards this last Sunday. I'm going offensive tackle Will Campbell here awesome.

[Mensch]

Good. That's a good pick.

[McShay]

I. I just. I have to. I didn't think he'd be available. Yeah. I'm gonna go with Will Campbell. Would you.

[Mensch]

You wouldn't have gone another. Whatever.

[McShay]

We're gonna move on.

[Mensch]

We're gonna. This is because.

[McShay]

Because I also. I also have to do it with some recognition that I. That I got an additional first round pick next year and. And hopefully can address quarterback next year. And if it's not next year, it'll. The quarterback classes exceptional. But I've got. I've got to get better. I've got to build an organ as a gm. Man, you know this Santa. We've got to build trenches. We've got to get personnel on the defensive fronts. Offensive front. And I just don't feel like Cleveland's good enough on the offensive front to be like, all right, one quarterback is going to change the whole deal. You know, not yet. So that's where I would go.

[Mensch]

Okay. I. I like it. I would. What I was going to say was not that. Would you go with another offensive tackle? But if I had taken. I was going to say if I had taken Campbell at 4, I still think there's a bunch of offensive tackles that are at least two.

[McShay]

I would have. I still would have gone. Banks there.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

I still would have gone offensive tackle. I would have gone. Calvin Max.

[Mensch]

Got you. All right, we're going to six. Moving on. Ashton Genti. Not gonna happen. And it's not his fault. I just think that.

[McShay]

No, it's not.

[Mensch]

It's just. You need. It was supposed to. You gotta.

[McShay]

It was pretty back that early. It was premature. They weren't ready for it.

[Mensch]

I think Ashton, Jenny's gonna be a great back. I just don't think it was the right fit.

[McShay]

And you see him as a receiver, he's. He's every bit what we thought he was going to be at Boise State.

[Mensch]

They need all kinds of help in all kinds of places. And I'm not. I. I will. I share some of your concerns about Jackson Dart and I share some of the concerns about Cam Ward. I would absolutely take one of those two here. And I would probably go with Cam Ward because that's why he had ranked higher coming in. And I think if you put him in a position where he could sit for a year behind Geno and learn from Gino and do that kind of a thing, which is what I would hope you would do at this pick, that he has a chance to be really good. But I think they have to take A whole quarterback here, and I'm going. Cam Ward for Miami.

[McShay]

Interesting.

[Mensch]

And he'd probably be starting by now. You probably would have been able to start the year with Cam, like, kind of learning the offense and not getting pushed right into it, and then he would have been in a better spot, I think, in the long term.

[McShay]

Interesting. I'm just checking guys off the board. I just want to make sure that I'm. Yeah, I. You wouldn't rather have Jackson Darth than Cam Ord.

[Mensch]

I really struggled with it. I really struggled with it.

[McShay]

I'm not saying there's definitively a right answer. I do know this. When. When Jackson Dart never had Malik neighbors outside of when he came into that. That first game.

[Mensch]

Right. Right.

[McShay]

But even when he had Scatter Boo, they were starting to win. There was life. There was energy. It's. It was working. They were competitive.

[Mensch]

Jackson Dart has one of the best left tackles in the league. Cam. Cam Ward has one of the worst. Jackson Dart. They both lost their starting coaches, which I think. I mean, their head coaches, starting coaches both lost their head coaches, which I think is something that's notable. I. I know he lost neighbors. Like, who does. Who is the best receiver for Tennessee DK at this point? I mean, Calvin. Like, I don't. I like the. It's not like he has a ton of weapons there either.

[McShay]

It's.

[Mensch]

I, I, I. It's hard for me to write off Cam Ord based on what I've seen this year so far. It's hard for me to do that. And I know if you're asking me who's played better, if I was basing this off of what I've seen to the start of their NFL careers, I'm taking Jackson Dart, but I can't. I have a hard time doing that, knowing what I thought erasing board could be. Yeah.

[McShay]

Okay. I'm. Yeah. I'm not.

[Mensch]

It's close, man. It's. It's close for me.

[McShay]

I think everyone sitting at home would ask the same question. I'm not crashing it. And I can see both sides. Yeah, I would take Jackson Dart.

[Mensch]

That's fair. I get that.

[McShay]

I just want to go on the record. I would take Jackson Dart over. I would take Tyler Shuck and Jackson Dart over Cam Ward right now.

[Mensch]

That's why you're getting Cole in the stocking this year. That's fine.

[McShay]

Yep. All right. So that leave. That brings us to. So, yeah, I just want to write this all down. That brings us to the jets at 7. Tough one, man. Armand. Membu has been really, really good.

[Mensch]

Yep.

[McShay]

They have so many problems from tackle to quarterback to corner to receiver. I, I can't, I, I'm taking Jackson Dart with the New York jets at 7. Don't hate it. Memo's been really good, but what has that done? Yep, they've so, I mean I, I get their building for, for next year, but I don't, I'm not armed with all that knowledge of next year and, and how many picks and they traded away their, you know, two of their best assets. I'm just not armed with that. And even if I am armed with that, I'm looking at, I, I have, I have the benefit of looking at a full season and getting to watch Jackson Dart and yeah, I'm scared to death that he's not going to be able to protect himself and something like this could be a year in, year out problem. But I got to trust my coaching staff and working within like developing ways to stay on the field. So I'm going to go Jackson Dart here. It's interesting. Disappointing quarterback class but with, with a season and it's a good reminder as we get close to this draft with a season of hindsight for all the great players from the, the Will Campbell's to the Kelvin Banks to the Tetero and McMillan to the Tyler Warrens to the like all the great play. Abdul Carter, Jalen Walker, James Pierce. Talking about guys who have just outplayed Emeka Buka prior to the getting nicked up. Membu Booker, Walter Nolan, Omarion Hampton, Carson, Schwesterger, all those guys.

[Mensch]

Yep.

[McShay]

Here we are last couple weeks of the season and we're like, my gosh, it just doesn't work without a quarterback. Yeah, that's the thing.

[Mensch]

Right.

[McShay]

It's a reminder. It's a good reminder. All right, pick eight is Carolina sticking.

[Mensch]

With Ted roll McMillan out of Arizona? I mean there's just no reason not to. I mean he has been. Who thought Carolina would be where they.

[McShay]

Are right now and who thought and I shouldn't say who, I don't want it. I didn't, I certainly didn't think when we wrapped things up out in LA at the end of the 2024 NFL Draft that we would be talking about Dan Morgan maybe having the best draft class of everyone.

[Mensch]

Yeah, Seattle though. Seattle. Our guy in Seattle. So good.

[McShay]

Sure. I, I would if you said McShay make a top five, make a top ten list. I wouldn't have put Carolina in there.

[Mensch]

No.

[McShay]

Obviously I wasn't as high on Tenaro and McMillan and we'll see how it all plays out. But right now, I absolutely look wrong and I'm going to eat it. And I. If you've read the McShay report, I ate it.

[Mensch]

That's kind of why I just. I had to get him in early just to hear you. To hear you.

[McShay]

And he can quite honestly could have easily gone 2, 3 picks higher.

[Mensch]

I was terrified because you start looking at what the Panthers might be interested in here, and I was like, it's so obvious that this is the right fit in the right player, both on how it's played out and what they would be without him.

[McShay]

Yeah, that.

[Mensch]

I was like, McShane's gonna do this. He's gonna be. He's gonna have badmouth, this guy. Not badmouth, but not love him during the draft process and then take him earlier. So I'm sitting there with Carolina being like, oh, what do I do here? Best edge. You know, that's kind of the. Kind of the situation you get in with that. But you look. And Xavier Leggett, the other guy, the. The receiver they took in the first round earlier, not in this draft, but I forget what year it was, has not panned out and they really needed Te R McMillan to step up and be the player that he could be. And he's been outstanding.

[McShay]

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[Mensch]

Yep.

[McShay]

Kelvin Banks was ripped from me in, in the most shocking move. You might say it was Tyler Shuck. The Saints were involved in the two most shocking moves in this 2025 redraft, according to you. I didn't think it was shocking at all. I thought it was kind of a no brainer overall. And then, and if, if that is that your number one shock value from this 2025 redraft, then absolutely the second shock value had to come from Will Campbell not being like Ann May is crying in her kitchen right now and Drake is tracking down, tracking down drafts.

[Mensch]

During Cleveland doing the same thing that they were going to do in New Englander. By the way, I'll say this about Chuck because I want to be clear. I don't think those three quarterbacks are getting past those seven picks. I don't think, I don't think there's any scenario pick which one you like most, which one, whatever.

[McShay]

Which is interesting and goes back to.

[Mensch]

They'Re not getting past. Yeah, they're not getting past seven because.

[McShay]

I wouldn't look at that quarterback class. First of all, it wasn't great at the time and it Jackson Dart just threw for like 33 yards and he's had durability problems and Cam Moore's been a disappointment. Yeah, Chuck's been a revelation. But like I wouldn't look like. Oh, yeah, these guys would go top seven, definitely. You know, but you look how much of this.

[Mensch]

Yeah. How much of this is ego? I wonder. I'm not ready. I mean, we spent so much time on those quarterbacks. I am more likely to say it's their environment more than it is the player at this point in the process. And I wonder if that's. You got to be honest about that with yourself. I think as an evaluator, you got to be honest as a decision maker, you have to be. I. Because you're right. I mean, Jack starts coming off a terrible game, has had a hard time staying healthy. Cam Ward has not looked anything as good, anywhere near as good as we had hoped at this point. And Tyler Shuck's been great, but it's a small sample size, man.

[McShay]

No, I know.

[Mensch]

And yet here we are.

[McShay]

But I. But I loved him and what I'm seeing from him, what I knew was. Was in there.

[Mensch]

I know. That's what I mean.

[McShay]

So now that it gets us to the Saints and the Saints have an offensive tackle need. They addressed it in the draft. They just lost Kelvin Banks. They have a wide receiver need. They have a needed edge. If I'm being honest. It kind of comes down. They have a quarterback need. Don't forget that, by the way. And I am armed with the fact that Spencer Rattler, you're ready to bench him, but there's not another quarterback. I'm sure as hell not taking. Shador Sanders here.

[Mensch]

Oh.

[McShay]

Transparency. Highest player on my board right now.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

James Pierce on your rework board.

[Mensch]

Yep.

[McShay]

Yep. He's been absolutely awesome in Atlanta. Arguably the not. I don't. Statistically, I think the best pass rusher and from the rookie class. They could use a Tyler Warren or a Colston Loveland. And I would certainly take Warren over Loveland. A Mecca Buk is was great, but that was early in the season before injury. He's had a couple drops. Hasn't been the same guy.

[Mensch]

I told you.

[McShay]

Oh, please stop. I'm strongly considering him here. Membu's been really, really good. They need an offensive tackle. I'm going James Pierce here.

[Mensch]

I don't like it only because I. I would have liked to have taken that put. And I thought that Jalen Walker and James Pierce are going to last a little longer. You weren't going to be so aggressive about going at those guys. But again, it's what we say every year. Quarterback edge, offensive tackle. Those guys are going to go.

[McShay]

This is.

[Mensch]

You get to Chicago. I I'm gonna be honest with you. I struggle with this one because I like Colson Loveland and like Tyler Warren. First of all, I want to say this. If James Pierce didn't just go. He was a real player to go here.

[McShay]

Yep.

[Mensch]

You could do maybe a Mason Graham. I think you could throw in here because I think he's that good. I'm gonna. He may be my pick. Nick Eamon worry, who's been outstanding for Seattle's in play. And then it comes down to the two tight ends. So let's get into that right now. Tyler Warren's been better than Colson Loveland. I don't think there's any doubt about it. But what do we say at the draft? I thought that Loveland was a better fit for what Ben Johnson wants to do with the tight end, and I still believe that. And I think Loveland has still not reached his full potential. And maybe he doesn't put the numbers up.

[McShay]

Starting to show it, though.

[Mensch]

Up.

[McShay]

Yes.

[Mensch]

And maybe he's not putting the numbers up that Tyler Warren's putting up because they don't need him to. Because they got a Roman Dunesday, because they've got a DJ Moore, because they have other dudes who can make plays. Whereas I don't think the Colts are as well rounded in that Michael Pittman's a very good player. But it's just maybe they. They. The Colts need Warren to make more plays. They're more ground and pound. That being said, I'm gonna go Mason Graham here. I just think that he's too good not to. To. To get out of the top 10. I love Mason Graham. I love those two tight ends. But I'll take the defensive tackle.

[McShay]

Interesting.

[Mensch]

Tough. Yeah.

[McShay]

I'm just looking down. Okay. Yeah. All right. So you're going interior defensive lineman Mason Graham out of Michigan.

[Mensch]

I just think he's too good.

[McShay]

Ben Johnson's gonna be pissed.

[Mensch]

Mason Graham. Other than Dana Chenti, Mason Graham is the. He was the fifth player on my board, and now we're at 10. I just feel like you look at that and you have to. You just. At some point, you got to get them off the board.

[McShay]

I mean, you lose. You. You. You lose that six catch 118 two touchdown game against Cincinnati.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

You lose the 63 on four versus Cleveland that they needed green.

[Mensch]

So would you have taken.

[McShay]

Would you have Twice. Twice in the last three weeks, you know, seven catches, but only six. 59 yards. I. I really am a huge fan of both of these tight ends.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

And their success has not been surprising at all. I think you said it perfectly. Tyler Warren was at the time and continues to be the better tight end prospect.

[Mensch]

Yes.

[McShay]

But it was razor thin, if I'm being honest with you. And they just were two different players. And, and quite honest. Like this is one of those. As a gm, you turn to Ben Johnson. You're like, you still like that fits better still. You sure you've now seen him. I'll give you Warren or I'll give you. But I, I, I, I think I would have gone with one of those two tight ends because I think it's just a really important part.

[Mensch]

You do, you do. You don't think. You look at him and say, I know you're going to figure out another way to get that. Those. You're going to find a way for that production to happen. You're going to find a better. Like you're an offensive guy. Like we need the defensive player.

[McShay]

I'm taking.

[Mensch]

You're giving whatever he wants.

[McShay]

I'm, I'm taking Tyler Warren.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

He's gonna, he's, he's gonna have a better career and be more.

[Mensch]

I'm sticking with Graham, but you're probably right. I hear you.

[McShay]

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[Mensch]

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[McShay]

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[Mensch]

No brainer. It's Carolina getting wide receiver Ted McMillan. The proof is in the pudding. We get to see how it's played out and it's played out perfectly. Fit their need. He is, you know, if not exceeded expectations, certainly met them. He's been productive. He's that big body guy that can make plays. With Bryce Young, it's, it's. This one's a no brainer for me. It's heterobic melon.

[McShay]

I gotta be honest with you. I'm not doing it for the splash or the shake up. I'm doing it because I truly believe Tyler Schuck is different. Tyler Shuck is underrated. I knew it at the time. I wish I even pushed it harder. And I pushed it as hard as probably anybody out there. I was just a shuck guy. And now I get to see it. And I'm looking at Tennessee and the struggles. I would take him and I just love that fitness because I know he's been through the adversity. Cam Ward had did too in college. But like football ripped away from him, the injuries, the transfers, all this stuff, I love that fit at number one. So those. So you're with Tedro and McMillan at eight. I love the fit of Tennessee with Tyler Schuck and whatever. You're seeing the whole organization change with Shuck around him. And it's kind of like if you got in, you got yourself in that suit and a traveler, I'm telling you. This part of today's episode was brought to you by Scout Motors. Soon they'll have the perfect fit for you. The all new Scout Terra and Scout Traveler are designed to combine their classical roots with their new and improved tech, including plans for available locking differentials and optional 35 inch tires. You're going to need that big boy. You are.

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[Mensch]

Right.

[McShay]

Still, I've still got a Mecca Buka. I've got Armand Membu. I've got Tyler Booker who's been awesome. I got Walter Nolan. I'm, I'm drafting, drafting a Mecca Abuka here.

[Mensch]

Okay.

[McShay]

Wide receiver out of Ohio State. He's ready. The defense has played really well. I just, yeah, I'm going to take a Mecca Buca here and provide another weapon, some consistency or reliability, a route runner. Yeah, I like it in that with Kyle Shanahan's offense, he would be a perfect fit. So I'm going to Buca here. What do you got at 12?

[Mensch]

I don't hate it. This is the biggest jump for me. This was the player that was, this player was 53rd on my board and I loved him, loved him and I, this is another player that like you look back on and I should have been more aggressive about pushing. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna dance around it. I think Dallas can go in a couple different situ, different directions here. I think Tyler Booker has been great for them. I don't hate the pick that they made there. I want to make that clear. I'm taking inside linebacker Carson Swessinger from ucla. I think their defense is one of the worst defenses in the league. They get, they, they're as high their offense is. It can't seem to keep up with anyone because their defense is that bad. I think they look at the trades. They did a pretty good job of addressing the interior defensive line. I don't love, you know, I would, I would pick an edge here, but I'm not, I'm not sure I see the value right now at edge. Whereas with swinger, you're coming in, you're getting a day one starter inside linebacker which is a, I think a massive need for them. He has been outstanding despite playing with the high ankle sprain. I think Carson Swinger would be a great pick at 12. That is early for an off the ball inside linebacker, but I think he's played that well and I think they have that much of a need.

[McShay]

Yeah, I mean, we want to keep things moving. He has been awesome. A lot better than I thought. I, I, I didn't See, I didn't see top 50 value for him. His range, his instincts, all the things that made him an exceptional player in that one year. He's a one year kind of out of nowhere player for UCLA and he's been awesome. But am I getting that impact from him where I'm taking him at 12 overall? Yes question. You're saying yes is the answer. I'm going to move on. Pick 13 Miami Dolphins. We scratched our head at the time, thought it was too high for him. Didn't know necessarily with all the other needs on that team that they needed it. You could sit here and say, well, quarterback is now a need and yes, certainly it is, but there isn't one to take. I think interior offensive line is as big a need as it could be. Cornerback is a need that certainly could go. Interior defensive lineman, if you wanted to hear, I would go between. There are three. Honestly, it comes down to interior guys. Well, Tyler Booker and Walter Nolan. Guard versus a defensive tackle. I don't think you can go wrong. Both have been awesome this year. I just think there's something about Miami and. Now I'm going Walter Nolan. Going Walter Nolan.

[Mensch]

Okay.

[McShay]

An impact, impact defensive lineman. And I know he was nicked up for a while, but my gut goodness. Have you watched him? Yeah, he's awesome and we knew he was going to be awesome and we like didn't care about all the other, the externals and everything else. He's just an awesome player. So if you as an organization wanted an interior defensive lineman, here's one that's worth that pick.

[Mensch]

Yeah. All right, Colts. I mean, look, cults of 14. I would make an argument both tight.

[McShay]

Ends are still on the board. Tyler Warren and Colson love them just for. So everyone understands. Okay, go ahead.

[Mensch]

I would make the argument if there was a quarterback here, that's the direction they should go in. They should get a quarterback here. There's not. And so we're sticking, we're staying with Tyler Warren. I mean he has been absolutely outrageous for them. He is everything we thought he was going to be coming out of Penn State. He's that big target. He's athlet, he's good after the catch. He can, he's a competitive blocker. Everything about him that we thought he was going to be coming out, he's been. And I, I don't know how when you have a competent, when you have competent play quarterback. This kid's just a stud. I, I don't know how you could go against Tyler Warren for the calls. It Was a great pick both in terms of value and need for them then and it, it remains. So.

[McShay]

Yeah, yeah, I, I wouldn't have gone in a different direction. I really wouldn't. Yeah, I would have. No problem. I'm gonna go. Here's the problem with Atlanta. They nailed their first two picks. Yep. They're both off the board. Jalen.

[Mensch]

That's why, that's how you know, right? That's how you know.

[McShay]

Yes. Gone. James Pierce, gone. So I gotta pivot because that. Excuse me. I, I, I'm not going to go another edge when I've got someone significantly higher in terms of grade and that's Colson Lovin Loveland. Or I could go. Yeah, there's no, no, I'm gonna go with the level. And I, and I saw what Pitts just did, what, two weeks ago, best game of his career. I think he's a free agent at the end of this year. I'm not, I am not paying Kyle Pitts based off of a half a season when his contract's finally up. And now you're going to do it for me now.

[Mensch]

Sounds like you've had him in fantasy. Sounds like you've had him as a fantasy.

[McShay]

I actually have an AJ My stepson had him what an like first round of his playoffs with all of his buddies. He brings him in and, or he, he had him on the bench most of the season and started him that night and was freaking out running around the house because of what he did. Had like 46 fantasy points or something like that. No, I'm, I'm going with. Because if you're going to, if you're going to take off organizationally, you know, you've got to, you've got Michael Penix who can deliver, deliver and distribute the ball. You, you still need another receiver and which is shocking considering the, the, the currency they've used on quarterback, running back, wide receiver and tight end that we're talking about. Wide receiver and tight end are potentially needs for the 2026 draft. Like high needs. But I'm taking Colson Loveland here. All right. With the 16th and final pick of the 2025 McShay show redraft. What do you got?

[Mensch]

Interesting man from a number of levels here. Again, this is another quarterback team and it's not available. Right. I actually liked Walter Dolan here. Who's, who they, they took. He's off the board. I considered Mecca Buka. Travis Hunter is still on the board, by the way. He has not come off. That's, it's Interesting to me. And he's.

[McShay]

Can I throw an interesting scenario at you? Because we do have, we do have hindsight of this season, knowing the age of. And now the additional injury to Connor and Genti is still on the board. And I'll throw this other little. I'll dangle this little carrot for you. Some may argue. And this was your guy before I commandeered him and made him my guy. Omarion Hampton has shown a lot of signs of being a star running back in the NFL. Would you consider running back here? Okay, go ahead.

[Mensch]

I would consider it. I'm taking Arman Menboo, the, the right tackle. I don't know how you can't at this point.

[McShay]

It's a good pick. It's a good pick.

[Mensch]

He's been so good, I'm. I'm actually surprised he's still here. I'm taking Armand Menboo. I think you got. You're set at left tackle. Right tackle. Jonah Williams is going to be a free agent. Kelvin Beecham, the swing tackle, is going to be a free agent. I think that you, you look ahead, you know, obviously they, they knew they were going to have them this year, but you look ahead and you get your right tackle and Arman member. And now when you're going to get a quarterback in this next draft, you're even in a better position for that guy to succeed. But interesting that Genti's still here. Ashton Genti's still here. And Travis Hunter still here. But it's fun exercise, right, man.

[McShay]

So real quickly before I go recap. Actually, you know what, let's recap it real quickly. Here's how the, here's how it goes and I'm sure Tucker's got a graphic to roll out with it. Tyler Shuck, QB out of Louisville, number one overall pick by the Tennessee Titans match. Hated it. I stand by it.

[Mensch]

I didn't hate it.

[McShay]

It was my scout. Motors best fit like Mench's best fit is in a traveler, not necessarily a terror, but I love the terror. All right, number two, Jacksonville took Abdul Carter. Number three, Giants took edge rusher Jalen Walker. Number four, Mensch. Mensch poisoned the baking of of an May and has Drake running through the streets of Boston chasing him. And on Dancer and on Prancer by taking Kelvin Banks at offensive tackle over local legend Will Campbell. Then Mitch took Cam Ward, quarterback for the the Raiders instead of Ashton Genti. Then I took at seven. Of course I didn't write it down. What did I go? Where'd I go? Oh, I Took out Jackson Dart. Yep. Right Men stuck with Teteroa McMillan, the wide receiver for Carolina at eight. At number nine, edge. James Pierce comes off the board a lot earlier this time around. Most productive edge rusher in the rookie class so far. He went to the Saints at nine. Kelvin Banks had already been taken. Mensch had a tough call. Colson Loveland still there. Tyler still there. Took Mason Graham. I wonder what Bear. Hey, Bear. Bears fans. Bears fans, what do you think of that pick? I'm very curious. Mason Graham goes there. Ten to the Bears San Francisco mecca Buquet wide receiver Dallas goes Swissinger over Tyler Booker who said by the way, like a plus grade.

[Mensch]

So like unbelievable.

[McShay]

And doesn't go in the top 16, which looks like an indictment, but we're both saying it's not interesting. Tyler Warren stays with Indianapolis at. Sorry, Miami at 13. Takes Walter Nolan. You want an interior defensive lineman, fine, take one. But just take the better one. And we said that at the time too. Tyler Warren stays in Indianapolis at 14. The Falcons got their guts ripped ripped out of their insides with Walker and Pierce being gone. But they get Colson Loveland. They got a sneak peek of what a really good tight end looks like. Kyle Pitts has shown only two or three flashes over five years. Colson Loveland becomes their pick at 15 and Armand Membu rounds it out. So Booker was. Was top of my list of players still available. Genti was still available. Omarion Hampton I thought could possibly go but it's a running back still available. Anyone else that stood out?

[Mensch]

Travis Hunter. Right.

[McShay]

And Travis Hunter. That's an interesting to do a whole show on whole thing on that. If we redrafted right now the number two overall pick, Shohei Otani. He was called by. By someone that might or might not be wearing a Santa hat right now. But the same guy who said a lot of smart things that were circling back on that I'd forgotten about. Maybe, maybe Santa's smarter than I thought. That would be an interesting conversation. Would he go in the top 16 picks if it was drafted right now?

[Mensch]

Listen, we can't, we can't get out of here yet because I don't know. Are you about to wrap here?

[McShay]

Go ahead.

[Mensch]

The lock goes into this show end of the year. I mean we got to like talk about how it takes a lot of to get this show to where it is. Unbelievably, this is an improvement from what it would be. We have a lot of helpers and I just, I wanted to bring on one of Santa's helpers at the end of the show here, just for you, for you to get a look. And here he is right now.

[McShay]

Oh, he'll never be able to.

[Mensch]

I mean, I just fumbled that. And by the way, this helper. Where was Santa's helper on that Chicago book? Dan, you can't let me do that.

[McShay]

That's all right. That's okay. I'm just happy Falcons were redeemed in this draft. I do love the versatility and the onions to. To. Because someone, anyone out there can screenshot this now. And this is a guy who's been. Been lifting a lot, hanging out at Hollywood Hills parties. We got a break early on a late Saturday night. He's a young man who's out there sewing his royal oats and. And now he's dressed as an elf.

[Mensch]

Yeah.

[McShay]

No, but it's part of the fun of this show, and this show's about family, and it's about grinding, and it is not easy, and it has been a lot of hard work. And yes, it's a labor of love for everyone, but it's still labor. And we got Tucker behind the scenes, and we've had.

[Mensch]

Yeah, Tucker's a little more. He's more concerned about crafting his image. Tucker. When he'll roll out when he's a beautiful man.

[McShay]

He's a beautiful man.

[Mensch]

Tucker doesn't. Yeah, he doesn't just come out every. For no reason. Got John back there.

[McShay]

You know, if you don't think this. This isn't about family. Like, we would literally.

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[McShay]

Our guy who cuts all the clips and makes us look really cool on Instagram and Tik Tok and everywhere else is literally rocking his baby in a. You know, as. As we're coming into the show. So we appreciate the family and the hard work and all the factors that go into this show from everyone that's involved in it. We also appreciate that you at home are taking time away from your family and your friends. Hopefully, we're a little bit of a relief from your day or an added bonus or a little bit of fun. But it has been an awesome run, and we are just warming up, and we can't do it without Dan the elf. Tucker, Connor, Bill Simmons, Jeff Chow, Mallory. Like, there's so many people behind the scenes who have helped us get to where we are, and we. Like I said, we're just warming up. But enjoy the rest of the year. Bring in the new year with the College Football Playoff. Bring in the new year with the 2026 NFL Draft. But I hope you Guys, everyone out there enjoyed time with their family. And Mitch looks like he's got something. One last thing to say is draft Santa.

[Mensch]

That was it. Just happy holidays, everyone. Have a good time. Stay safe.

[McShay]

Dan, do you have anything to say before we leave? You might as well get the mic for a minute if you're going to dress up like this. Well, I wanted you to dress up like this, but I didn't think that you had it in you, so I kind of had to take one for the team. I texted Tucker and I texted, mentioned. I was like, should I do this?

[Mensch]

And they're like 100.

[McShay]

So yeah.

[Mensch]

Yes. It's been a great year.

[McShay]

Great show. Look, five stars, by the way. Everyone smile real quick. Tucker, there you go. There's just. There's your still shot. You can. You can ruin. You can ruin everyone involved. All right, it's not. It's way more than five, but I only get five to give out, so it's right there. Love all you guys and we'll. We'll see you soon.

[Mensch]

Happy holidays.

[McShay]

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