The Big Board: First-Round Locks, Finding QB3, and Post–Senior Bowl Buzz

Summary

The McShay Show

Host: The Ringer

Episode: The Big Board: First-Round Locks, Finding QB3, and Post–Senior Bowl Buzz

Date: February 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode kicks off The McShay Show’s new run on Netflix, as hosts dive deep into the 2026 NFL Draft class just 80 days ahead of the big event. The focus: nailing down first-round locks, breaking down buzz from the Senior Bowl, and the ongoing debate over who should be considered QB3 behind expected top picks Fernando Mendoza and Ty Simpson. With a blend of tape study, insider league intel, and spirited debate, Todd McShay and Bucky Brooks deliver a comprehensive state-of-the-draft update, referencing both their own big boards and the latest risers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. First-Round Locks – McShay’s Initial Top 20 (04:00–25:20)

Notable Players & Positional Value

• Top Five (Non-Traditional Positions Highlighted)

  • Fernando Mendoza (QB, Indiana) – Near-consensus No. 1 pick.
  • Arvell Reese (LB/Edge, Ohio State) – Not a true Micah Parsons, but “off the ball linebacker who can wind up being... [an] edge” [06:00].
  • Jeremiah Love (RB, Notre Dame) – The only elite RB, considerable gap to next back. “You’re gonna have to take Love earlier than... considered.” [11:46]
  • David Bailey (Edge, Texas Tech)
  • Caleb Downs (S, Ohio State)

• Changing Opinions on Positional Value

  • McShay reflects on valuing game-changing talent over positional bias:

  “Maybe it’s age, maybe it’s wisdom. I’m turning the page on how important the numbers are... give me those first four or five years.” (07:00)

  • Bucky highlights shrinkage in “safe” picks at RB/S: “There’s a massive gap between [RB]1 and 2 in this class.” (11:46)

• Historical Comparisons

  • Last year: Trayvon Henderson’s RB impact for Patriots cited as parallel for taking elite, but low-value positions high [07:38].
  • Hamilton/Iman Worry/Downs at Safety: Don’t need to test off charts if tape is special [10:13].

Tackle & Receiver Heavy

• After top five, run on OT/WR: Makai Lemon (WR, USC), Carnell Tate (WR, OSU), Francis Mauigoa (OT, Miami), Jordan Tyson (WR, Arizona State), Ruben Bain (Edge, Miami), Spencer Fano (OT, Utah), Mansoor Delane (CB, LSU), Denzel Boston (WR, Washington).
• Note: Four WRs in McShay’s top 13.

Grading Philosophy & Board Size

• Bucky: “Do you have a list of how many first round grades you have?” [15:06]
• McShay: “I don’t even know that there are [as many as 21–22].” [17:10]

First-Round Debate: Offensive Guards, TEs, and Defensive Linemen

• Vega Ioane (OG, Penn State), Jad McCoy (CB, Tennessee), Kenyon Sadiq (TE, Oregon), Peter Woods (IDL, Clemson) make back half of top 20.

• Tight End Talk: Loveland & Warren of last year preferable to Sadiq, who’s viewed as less of a sure thing despite upside [21:06].

  “I trust Loveland and Warren at the same points in their career... more than Sadiq.” — McShay [22:24]

• Defensive line depth concerns: Peter Woods’ stock potentially falling amid strong Senior Bowl performances by others (Lee Hunter, Caleb Banks, etc.) [23:35–25:20].

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2. Senior Bowl Stock Watch — Eye-Catching Risers & Top 50 Prospects (30:54–51:01)

Clear Standouts

• Lee Hunter (IDL, Texas Tech)

  • “When he fires out with leverage… quickness, power, motor — is different.” — McShay [31:45]

• Malachi Fields (WR, Notre Dame)

  • Major riser, perhaps WR5 in McShay’s eyes.

  “Six foot four, 218 with long arms… catch radius is a dream for any quarterback.” [33:27]

  • Bucky: “I’d love to get him in the second round – a home run pick there. Not sure he’s a first round guy, but you see the path.” [34:46, 39:16]

• Other Standouts

  • Colton Hood (CB, Tennessee) – “Fluid, smooth, fast, competitive as hell—just see a starter.” — McShay [39:45]
  • TJ Parker (Edge, Clemson) – Huge bounce-back week; “completely shifted all the negative momentum” [41:13]
  • Max Iheanachor (OT, Arizona State) – “Best OT at the Senior Bowl” [44:00]; background as late football convert, “kind of mean too” [44:07]

Discussion on “Senior Bowl Hype vs. Reality”

• Both hosts urge caution — Senior Bowl shows a lot but beware “pendulum swings” and overcorrection [16:38, 33:17, 44:25].

Top 50/Day Two Talent

• Derek Moore (Edge, Michigan), Zion Young (Edge, Missouri): Both likely top 50, not locks for round one [44:25, 45:29]

  “More probable than not that those guys go in the top 50.” — Bucky [45:53–46:05]

• Caleb Banks (DT, Miami): Physically immense, but “buffet effort,” questions about plan/consistency/motor. Both McShay and Bucky fall short of first round grade after week in Mobile [47:47–50:40].

Secondary and “Buzz” Players

• Malik Muhammad (CB) & Chris Johnson (CB) – Disappointing weeks, drop into day two for now [51:10–51:34].
• Sam Roush (TE, Stanford): “Best blocking tight end in the class” and likened to “oatmeal on a cold morning—comfort, reliable, gets you going” [54:19–55:34].
• Multiple honorable mentions/respect given to Mike Washington (RB, Arkansas), Gabe Yakis (Edge, Illinois), and Gabe Yakt (C, Kansas) [52:46–52:53].

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Shifting Draft Philosophy:

“Maybe it’s age, maybe it’s wisdom. I’m kind of turning the page on how important the numbers are...At the end of the day, who are the best football players?”
— McShay [07:00]

On Malachi Fields’ Upside:

“That catch radius…it’s a dream for any quarterback at any level... It won’t shock me if he sneaks into the late first round.”
— McShay [33:27, 39:06]

On Senior Bowl Standouts:

“There’s always these guys…by the end of Wednesday…‘Oh, yeah, he’s different.’”
— McShay [31:23]

On Lee Hunter:

“Lee Hunter’s combination of quickness, power, motor is different…He was devastating versus the run.”
— McShay [31:45]

On Kenyon Sadiq:

“Absolutely a first rounder. He’s gonna go somewhere in the top 25…just not sleeping as easy after I use a first-round pick on Sadiq as I would’ve with Loveland or Warren."
— McShay [22:36]

On Mobile “Pendulum”:

"You get a little... pendulum sways a little too far on some of the Senior Bowl guys. Right. And then we gotta fight it back.”
— McShay [16:38]

On Max Iheanachor:

“He’s kind of mean too…He threw hands during one-on-ones, which you don’t want too much of, but it was the appropriate amount.”
— Bucky Brooks [44:00, 44:08]

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4. QB3 Battle: Sorting Out the Next Tier (62:31–73:31)

• Clear Top Two:

  • Fernando Mendoza (Indiana) — Universally viewed as QB1, “expected no. 1 to the Raiders.”
  • Ty Simpson — “Odds-on favorite” for QB2, projected fit with Rams as a Stafford understudy.

• QB3 Debate:

  • Contenders: Carson Beck (Miami), Trinidad Chambliss (pending class status), Garret Nussmeier (LSU)

  • Nussmeier’s Case:

    • Massive Senior Bowl boost; won SB MVP.
    • “He knew when to like is that cover two, cover three match…the processing…he got to show all that this week.” — McShay [66:31]
    • “He plays with urgency and anticipation—his superpower is his mind.” [66:36]
    • “At worst, I’m getting a guy who’s going to be in the league a really long time, who’s going to help my starter out…can step in and will know the offense.” [73:04]

  • Host Picks:

    • Bucky: Leans Carson Beck — “Like the experience, the frame, when in rhythm he’s really good,” but sees it as a close trio. Needs more info on Chambliss’ size.
    • McShay: Sides with Nussmeier — “I'm still taking Nuss’s football intelligence, moxie and anticipation, especially in the right system.” [72:26]
    • Both intrigued by Chambliss but want physical/character data.

  • Memorable Final QB Segment:

    “We could have this as a recurring segment—this conversation is long from over.” — Bucky [73:28]

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5. Draft “Buzz” and Producer Notes (57:34–62:31)

• Reuben Bain & Akeem Mesidor (Edge, Miami): NFL teams see them both as first-round locks, with Bain getting Brandon Graham comps [57:34].
• Dylan Thieman (S, Oregon): “Will test through the roof…Tosh LaPoi says he’s the best nickel/star he’s ever coached.” Not just a workout guy—production and football obsession stand out [57:47].
• Jacob Rodriguez (LB), Adam Randall (RB), Gabe Yakis (Edge): All impressed in interviews/workouts.
• Bryson Eason (DT, Tennessee): “Officer and gentleman in interviews—a madman on the field. Will go day two after a strong six-year, stick-with-it development arc.” [61:11]

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Additional Noteworthy Segments & Moments

• WR Depth Tiering (35:39–37:13): Zackariah Branch, Casey Concepcion, Chris Bell, Jeremy Bernard among WRs populating a talented "next tier" after the projected top four/big five.
• TE/“Oatmeal” Tangent (53:03–54:19): Humorous digression linking TE Sam Roush’s reliability to “oatmeal on a cold morning.”
• Risers Outside Top 50 (52:14): Arkansas RB Mike Washington, Illinois Edge Gabe Yakis, Kansas C Gabe Yakt, Stanford TE Sam Roush get quick-hit attention.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Opening & Episode Scope: 00:00–04:00
• First-Round Locks/Big Board Debate: 04:00–25:20
• Senior Bowl Standouts & Top 50 Risers: 30:54–51:01
  • Lee Hunter, Malachi Fields: 31:45–34:46
  • Colton Hood, TJ Parker: 39:24–41:13
  • Max Iheanachor: 42:10–44:25
• Edge Rusher Depth & Senior Bowl Impact: 44:25–49:50
• Banking on Caleb Banks: 47:47–50:40
• Receivers “Next Tier”: 35:39–37:13
• QB3 Battle & Senior Bowl Recap: 62:31–73:31
• Nussmeier’s Case as Top QB of the Week: 65:35–66:50
• QB3 Debate, Final Picks: 68:18–73:28

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a comprehensive, highly detailed look at the state of the 2026 NFL Draft as of early February. From dissecting draft philosophy changes, arguing positional value, and assigning first-round locks, to identifying combine and Senior Bowl risers and debating the crucial QB3 slot, McShay and Brooks combine scouting acumen with inside info and candid conversation. Buyers beware of Senior Bowl overreactions, but the consensus is forming on the blue-chip talent. As for QB3? The battle’s just heating up.

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Transcript

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

I was born to be on the big stage, baby.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That's the spirit. Just like weekends were made for Michelob, Mondays from now on are made for the big board. And today we're going to go through first round locks. Some draft buzz coming out of the Senior bowl and finding QB3. Just 80 days until the NFL draft, men. She good? I'm good. Roll that beat, Tuck.

[Bucky Brooks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

We got a lot to get to today. This is exciting. Just got home from Mobile, Alabama.

[Bucky Brooks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

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[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I wouldn't put him in that classification yet. You're drafting him as an off the ball linebacker who can wind up being a, you know, provide value as an edge. Right. Jeremiah Love, running back, Notre Dame. David Bailey, position of priority, edge from Texas Tech. Caleb Downs, another one of those, those guys. So you got an off ball linebacker, running back and Caleb Downs at safety from Ohio State. All right. There in the top five. Three of the top five. If I had to put a board out right now. So let's get into it right now. Okay? I want to talk about these non position value guys as we. Maybe it's age, maybe it's wisdom. I'm kind of turning the page on how important the numbers are. I don't want to throw out character and durability. They're hugely important. But like at the end of the day, who are the best football players? And last year we thought two of the, the best football players. Whether it's top 20, top 25, regardless of position. One of them for me was Trayvon Henderson. And now I get it for the Patriots, right? Ramadre Stevenson is, has been like the, the ball. He's been the, the pounded guy. I told you, I went to that Bills Patriots game and I thought it was. Is Henderson maybe injured? He, like first couple series it's just pounding away with, with Ramandre. But then all of a sudden Trayon comes in. It's a screen pass here, it's an outside run. Hit it for like 70 yards touchdown. His value to the Patriots, even though it's not the workload you would think of for a back that was taken in the second round, has been enormous. And I wonder if you start to see in the NFL like guys that are drafted early at the running back position, even though you don't love the longevity of them. I'm not worried as a GM about the second contract yet. Give me those first four or five years while they're still young and they get a lot of juice. Safety is the same thing. Man, you love Nick Iman worry. I was worried about him till he got drafted.

[Bucky Brooks]

Mike.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Mike McDonald. Mike McDonald. We all, we said pre draft, man.

[Bucky Brooks]

That would be a great fit.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What a great fit that would been. And all of a sudden I can't do the, the draft.

[Bucky Brooks]

The chime.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The chime. As well as, as well as some people can. But even before you love Demon Warren, why don't you tell everyone what it is you loved about. I think people got clued in on how talented he was at the combine. But you loved his tape dating back to August of 2024.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, I had him as a first round guy going into the 2024 season. So it was the height, weight, speed is the first thing that's going to jump out to you is he's a unique. He's a unicorn of a human being. He just, he's faster and bigger than everyone else at that position. I think the tendency was to say he's a box safety. And I think that's when he's at his best, is when he's playing close to the line of scrimmage. He is a little tight, but I also think he's instinctive and he's moves well in coverage. And guess What? He has 11 passes defended and an interception this year. He was excellent in the NFC championship game. 81 tackles, that was a concern. Look, that was. I thought that was a fair criticism of his game that he didn't tackle as well last year as he did the year before. But I mean this, the, the. Those long arms, his ability to wrap up that frame. I was just betting on this kid hitting and of course Mike McDonald's history and knowing how to use that kind of a player. It was a perfect fit. I mean, it looks like he's a 35th pick overall for safety. That's pretty good. It still looks like a steal for the Seahawks. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And so it's a different animal when you're drafting. It's like late in the first round with a safety, Kyle Hamilton was a perfect example, although I don't know different players. But yes, when we're talking about Caleb Downs, like Kyle Hamilton, Nicki Minwari, like they were drafted a little bit later, Hamilton was one of the best five players in that. I actually think I finished with him third on the board that year. Even after he ran like what he run like a four or five, six.

[Bucky Brooks]

Too slow, man. You can't play safety at four, five, six.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Can't play. And I don't think Caleb Downs is going to wow anyone. My guess is he won't run at the combine. He'll run at the, The Ohio State 40, which is notorious for downhill and 39 yards is what every scout says. And he'll run like a 4, 4, 4 or something, but he's not going to. Wow.

[Bucky Brooks]

It is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And maybe he won't even run that. But my point is he's not going to wow anyone with his size, his length, his speed. But, but my gosh, this is tape good. I mean the instincts, the playmaking ability around the box, playing deep middle, they kind of found a sweet spot for him as that versatile defensive back. So I'm curious to see where that value is right for both Jeremiah Love and for, for Caleb Downs. So yeah, I, it's just. Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

What's interesting with them, especially when you're looking at the running back position. Last year I think there was a lot of talented running backs. Even though Gente was clearly the number one guy. I think that there's bigger gap between Jeremiah Love and the next running back in this class than there was last year with Gente to whoever your second running back was.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There's a mar.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think there's a. Yeah, there's a massive gap between 1 and 2 in this class. So if you want that elite running back, you're going to have to take Love earlier than I think the most people consider taking it back.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, it, it has been fascinating to, to, to see like with these super bowl teams, the impact as rookies, a safety, a running back that, that, that they've had on their team. So. So with all that said and with our appreciation to Scout Motors and as much as I like to, you know, get us involved and I'm just dying to see mention in a scout terror ripping around New Hampshire from the mountains to the coast.

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

My that mirrors my top five exactly, which I hate.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But it does okay. After that, this is where the wide receivers and offensive tackles really get involved. You ready? And again, chime in when you have a problem. When you say I'm not certain or maybe these guys are. Be a little later than you think. I know. Makai Lemon, Cornell Tate, both wide receivers from USC and Ohio State, respectively. I don't think there's a big gap between these wide receivers. By the way, I told you, I watched, I watched more of Boston, Denzel Boston from Washington on the oh, we'll.

[Bucky Brooks]

Get into that in a second.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And, and I, and I really like Jordan Tyson, too. So those are all guys that I have here in the, in the top 20 and you'll see in the top 13. They're, they're bunched together. Let's see how they work out. Let's, let's get more information. Let's finish up the tape on them. But I've got lemon at 6, Carnell Tate at 7. I've got Francis, Maui Noah at the offensive tackle from Miami. Told you. There's wide receivers and offensive tackles at number eight. Then I've got Jordan Tyson, wide receiver from Arizona State, who I just ment Reuben Bain, another Miami player, edge M.M. spencer Fano, Utah offensive tackle, your guy, Mansoor Delaine, the LSU cornerback and then Denzel Boston from Washington. So those four wide receivers all bunch between six and 13. And the two top offensive tackles, Maui Noah and Fano, coming off the board at 8 and 11, respectively.

[Bucky Brooks]

I've got a mostly positive reaction to this. My receivers, I think those are a little too early for the receivers. I think I'm kind of on an island looking at some other stuff on around the World Wide Web, but I do think that's a little early for those guys. And I do go Tyson, Tate, Lemon So slightly different rankings. Both of them, all three of them are in my top 15. All three of them are going in the first round. So I want to be clear about that. I'm not saying anything there. Welcome to the Boston party. Mch. Welcome to the Boston party. You've now lapped me. He's your guy now because you went. You. I have him like in the 20s, low 20s, and you have him here now at 13, which I actually love. You know, maybe I've been too low on him, that maybe that's the problem. I've been with him because he is. He's an outstanding player for a guy that big. He's a prospect that people should be excited about seeing. Interesting to see how he tests and all that. But the tape is outstanding. Just maybe flew into the radar playing for that Washington team this year. So that, that's exciting to see. I have Maui Noah behind Fano. I just think if, if you think Maui Noah might be a guard, I think Fano is definitely a tackle. But it's close. They're both really good. I have the same grade on those guys. No real complaints. All of these guys to me are locks to go in the first round. Can I ask you something? Are these the guys that. Because you kind of mentioned about, like, going back and resorting, are these the guys that you have first round grades on? Do you have like a list of how many first round grades you have? Are you still. You're still trying? You're still working through that process A little bit? It's. It's the Monday after the Senior bowl, which is always a tricky time.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It is, it is. And I, I think you get a little. The, the pendulum sways a little too far on some of the Senior bowl guys. Right. And then we gotta fight it back.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Come back down to earth. But I didn't put any in the top 19. Okay.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I feel good about giving first round grades to all these guys. Okay. I think this is about where.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's about the number. Right? It's a. There's probably like 19 to 21, 22 first round grades in this class, I think.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, I don't even know that they're that many.

[Bucky Brooks]

Oh, really?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Maybe let's, let's keep going. Let's see.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

This is where I have. So we're down to number 14, edge. Akeem Messador from Miami with. With Bain. Had some really good conversations about both those guys with some NFL directors. And like, I, I saw a mock draft this morning where, where Macedor is in the Second round. I just. I don't see it. I. I was.

[Bucky Brooks]

This is one of the things I was gonna say. I'm glad you brought up. I saw the same mock draft. I don't. I don't know. I mean, I guess anything could happen, but I don't want to live in a world where that guy's not a first round pick. I don't understand when you look at the production of the tape and the motor and just everything. Something about the age. I can't believe the age hurts someone that bad.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, and some, some past durability stuff and all that, but yeah, he hasn't.

[Bucky Brooks]

Banged up a little bit.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Then I get to Sunny Styles, linebacker from Ohio State. Grades seem to be skyrocketing on Sunny Styles. I like him a lot. I just don't know if I can get on board with like top six or seven player in this draft. Vega. I own the offensive guard from Penn State. Jad McCoy, cornerback from Tennessee, Kenyon Sadiq, tight end, Oregon. And Peter Woods, Clemson interior defensive lineman. Those are the 19 guys and I'll give you the 20th guy to round it out in a second. Those are the 19 guys that did not participate at the Senior bowl that I have at the top of the board. Before we get into any Senior bowl guys, any of those guys from Styles. Is it Eon from Penn State?

[Bucky Brooks]

I always call him Vega. I just go with Vega. I feel like other people calling that too Mass Hole.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Way to get out of the. Get out of the muck.

[Bucky Brooks]

And he's such a good player, like he deserves it. I, I will say this. I do think he's. I think he's an excellent player. I do think that. I think this is way too high for him. I think that he's more of a back end of the first round player. I don't think there's a big gap between him and the Oregon offensive guard, Emmanuel Pregnon. As a matter of fact, I have them with the same grade. With Pregnon ranked slightly ahead of him, it'll be interesting to see how that changes. This is one of the great things about this time period is it's the most important and productive period between the Senior bowl in the and the combine is now we really get to start stacking players and we'll start watching guards back to back to back and others. Not that we don't do it over the course of the year, but now it's really concentrated and focused and I want to see those two guys back to back. I think he's a first Round guy. I just don't think he's at, you know, I think 16 is a little rich for me. I probably wouldn't have him in my top 20.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Where would you have Sadiq last year? Obviously we had Tyler Warren.

[Bucky Brooks]

Such a good question, right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We had, we had Coulson Loveland from coming out of Michigan. Yeah. Went before Warren, which was a surprise. Went to the Bears and then the Colts swept in and grabbed Warren. Would you have. We both had tight end three?

[Bucky Brooks]

I don't. I, I think it would be between him and Loveland as tight end three. I don't, I think Tyler.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't think it's close.

[Bucky Brooks]

You think that Loveland would have been two in city?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Absolutely. And I, I had almost identical grades on, on Warren and Loveland. I mean I just, I love them both. I like Sadiq a lot. I don't want this to become. I just. There was.

[Bucky Brooks]

We're talking about first round tight ends.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We're just.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's a nuanced conversation about first round tight ends, but go ahead. Why would you have Loveland ahead of Sadiq?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Length. I think they're both at length and quite honestly, instincts, route running, separation skills. Loveland was special as a separator. Warren was bigger, stronger, versatile, did a lot of. And like, yeah, him throwing a pass and snapping the ball and all that like that doesn't really apply much, but just a unique athlete. And his separation came late, but he had a. Just such a good feel for finding soft spots and zones and getting open as we saw as the season progressed in Indianapolis and after the catch, the physicality, the running. Now Sadiq after the catch can be dynamic in his, you know, ability to, to flat out run and, and to get like a crease and go. Sadiq can stretch the field. I just don't view him as reliable as. As reliable. I'm not saying he's not reliable. I'm saying he. Yes, there's some special catches and one handed and diving, you know, and he came on the second half of the season when he got fully healthy and was like a fire lit and often running but think he had love. I trust Loveland and Warren at the same points in their career.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know how talented Sadiq is. I just trust Loveland and Warren a lot more coming out of Michigan and Penn State than I do Sadiq coming out of Oregon.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think that's fair. I mean, I think he had six drops according to PFF this year, the Sadiq did.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I don't even notice the drops as Much as it is. It's part of it as much as it is. Like the separation, attention to detail, the little like. So again, like, absolutely a first rounder. No problem. He's going to go somewhere in the top 25. At worst, maybe somewhere in the top 20. Be the first tight end off the board, all those things. I'm just not sleeping as easy after I use a first round pick on Sadiq as I, as I would have been if I were Ryan Poles or Chris Ballard as GMS of the, of the Bears and, and Colts, respectively, last year, drafting Loveland and, and Warren.

[Bucky Brooks]

That's fair. That's fair. I probably, I would probably put Sadiq.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think he's in the mix.

[Bucky Brooks]

I would have him as the same grade as Loveland for me.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. But that's okay. And then Peter Woods. I really wish. Talk about Peter Woods, Senior bowl man.

[Bucky Brooks]

What'S happening now with Peter Woods? Like, I don't. I'm not sure that this is the end of the slide. I'm going to be honest with you. I think you might be falling. I just. Because the, the disappointing season and on top of that, you just went to the Senior bowl and you could say whatever you want about Caleb Banks being disappointing there, but he's still a mountain of a human being who had flashes of looking really good. Not to talk about. Not to mention Lee Hunter. Not to talk about. Maybe the depth of the class is starting to look a little bit better. And you're saying, are we going to take a chance on a guy in the first round or do we think we can get, you know, the great exercise that you do with me all the time? Men, would you rather have player A and player B, player A in the first round of player B in the second round, or player C in the first round and player in D in the second round? That exercise.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

When people start going through that, teams will do this drill and they say we can get this player here and then a defensive tackle that we might really like in the second round.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And if you get in the second round at defensive tackle, I would have.

[Bucky Brooks]

To go and look. Let me, let me pull it up because. Well, it depends. It depends on what you think you. We're going to get into this more right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. So just, just to.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, go ahead really quickly.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Lee Hunter would be my 20th player. He's the first guy from the Senior bowl. And maybe I've. I don't want to say overcorrected, but maybe the, The Pendulum has swung a little bit too much and maybe he's not quite that high of a graded player, but I would have woods, and then I still think Peter woods is one of the 10 most talented players in this draft. I also thought one of the 10 most talented players in the draft coming into the year was T.J. parker. The Clemson defense. I don't know what the hell went on Clemson this year. Truly, it's, it's, yeah, too much talent for that.

[Bucky Brooks]

It should be studied.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Lack of production. And what happened. It's just like when I was talking to a couple scouts who were getting ready to go interview Garrett Nussmeier. All they could talk about was, I just, I want answers. What happened? Not putting it all on him, but what happened? Right. Like Drew Aller is going to have to answer those questions and a lot of those Penn State players. How do you as a leader on a team allow this to happen? How does your production dip in your. Your quote unquote contract college year? And so with TJ Parker, he showed up at the Senior bowl and he was awesome. And you saw the length and the straight arm power and driving offensive tackles back. And you said, there's my guy. That's what I scouted in July and August last year coming into the year. That's why I gave him a top 10 grade. So we got to see it apples to apples with all these other defensive ends and guys who were playing really well. Guys like Zion Young from Missouri who helped himself a lot. Guys like Derek Moore from Michigan helped himself a lot. But Parker, just like there's a, there's a power element to his game that is pretty eye opening, you know?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I wish Peter woods had taken that opportunity to go down to the. To Mobile.

[Bucky Brooks]

Do we know if he was eligible. Do we know if he was eligible to go to Mobile?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Aren't they all eligible now?

[Bucky Brooks]

I thought you had to have some kind of academic standard, maybe not on course to graduate.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I want to. I just.

[Bucky Brooks]

And I wish I had looked that up earlier.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Earlier.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm just briefly looking at it. He was only there for three years, so I don't know. I want to be clear about that. I want to be. Make sure we're not.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm not even putting. I'm just saying it would have been nice. I wish I had the opportunity.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right. So just to be clear about the point.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes. And maybe we can. We can. I'll text Drew Fabiana with the Senior bowl and find out if that was a possibility.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But I'm just saying I wonder what that would have looked like.

[Bucky Brooks]

I hear you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because something tells me we would have walked out of Mobile if he was eligible and chose to play, saying, oh, yeah, he's the guy we thought he was, you know?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah. I mean, Parker just did it, so why not? What's. Let me. Let me throw this out of you, all right? Like, you don't have Kaden McDonald from Ohio State in your top 20. I don't think he gets out of the first round. But if he does and you're telling me that I have a chance to get that kind of a defensive tackle in the second round, I mean, we're talking about. Kristen Miller from Georgia, I think is a very good player. Not on the same level. I'm not saying that. I'm saying when you're doing the combo drill, when you look at this, Grayson Holton was unbelievable as a day. I think he's a day two guy from Oklahoma. I thought he was awesome. I think he's awesome on tape. I know you like him. I think really good week. Good week in mobile. Daryl Jackson Jr, Tim Keenan III. These are all players that you're looking on day two. You know, in those middle rounds that, like, I. I'm starting to think to myself, I can get a really good player at that spot, and this guy's coming off a bad year. I'm with you. I'm still high on him. I'm still high on him. But I think it's really important that this kid has a good combine.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That might surprise you a little bit. These were the guys. I always say this at the end of every Senior Bowl. Typically by the end of Wednesday, which is the second day of practice, you're like, oh, yeah, he's. He's one of those. Just show because there's a lot of good players there and they're all competing their asses off. Right. But there's always these guys where you're like, oh, yeah, he's. He's different.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's the dude. He's the guy.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's the guy at that position or he's one of two guys. Like, there's, there's, oh, it feels like somewhere between like five and maybe a great year, like eight or nine guys where you're like, yeah, put them. Like, rack those guys up. Stack them up. Like, put, put them in a separate class. And now let's talk about all like the day two guys and separate, you know, do like different drills of like, all right, these are day three guys will really improve. These are the guys that I think are locked up. 50 prospects that all help themselves this week that I think were different than everybody else there. Okay. Lee Hunter, I mean when he fires out with leverage, which he did a lot of this week, whether it's one on one drills or, or in team. Lee Hunter's combination of quickness, power, motor is different. He's devastating versus the run. And he's shown a lot of past rush ability for an interior defensive lineman. And I thought he showed even more than I saw on tape at Texas Tech because you get those one on one opportunities. He was different. I'm going to surprise you with the second one because he wasn't in my top three or four guys coming in. He was in my top 50, I thought the second most impressive player and the player who belongs in the top 50 that helped himself the most, where it's like, man, he is different. Even better than I saw on tape. Malachi Fields wide receiver, Notre DAME yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

This is, this is a, this might be. I, I hate when this happens because I've liked Fields all year. I feel maybe, and, and I think.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He might be wide receiver five in this class now.

[Bucky Brooks]

I feel like he might be a pendulum guy. I think this is a pendulum guy. Maybe this is a guy that we're watching the swing maybe too far to the other side.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Six foot four, £218 with long arms. That one catch that he had, unbelievable. And it showed something that nobody else at that game could do and no and very few in this class can do.

[Bucky Brooks]

Agree.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So tell, tell me what? You walk into the GM's office and he's going to ask you two questions. When you're trying to pound the table for a player, tell me what he can be. Right. That would be the first thing that I cite. That's what he can be for us. And that's hard to find. And then, and then the GM is going to follow it up with how could this go wrong? Right?

[Bucky Brooks]

And I would say to you, okay, McShay, what do you always say to me about big, big receivers making a lot of contested catches? Why are they doing it?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But this is what made me fall in love with them more.

[Bucky Brooks]

You think he's going to separate from NFL corners that well, I think he.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Tempo routes and I think he's smoother than, than a lot of people that I anticipated, the way he tempoed his routes, how professional he was in that regard, how smooth he was in and out of break. He made it look easy at 6, 4, 2, 18 and catching ball over his head. That catch radius is just, it's a dream for any, any quarterback at any level. Who's ever thrown the ball to have that security blanket?

[Bucky Brooks]

It's a nice, it's nice to have and don't. And again, just to keep this all in perspective because I know people will go crazy and say like McShade thinks Malachi Fields is the first overall pick and Mench thinks he shouldn't get drafted. I think he's a, he's probably a top 50 guy. I don't have him in the first round. I would, I would, I would love to get him in the second round. I think that's a home run pick in the second round. I'm not sure he's a first round guy.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, I, I just mentioned, I just mentioned all the, all the wide receivers. Right. I'm trying to. Let me go through a list here. I know there's a list I can pull up. I just mentioned.

[Bucky Brooks]

I do like. I like that you've finally picked a big receiver though after claim you basically over the last two draft cycles you have stamped and claimed every slot receiver that's any good. They've all been your guys.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I keep it in perspective, men. Come on. But, but when you look at this year's receiver class, my goodness, is it. It's five times better than we ever anticipated in August when we started watching these place, I mentioned the four off the top, right. I mentioned Makai, Lemon, Carnell, Tate, Jordan, Tyson, Denzel, Boston. They're all going to be top 20 picks in my, my estimation right now. Okay. Then after that you have this another really impressive group. And I think, I think those include but aren't limited to necessarily. I think those include if you're, if you're excluding Malachi Fields for a second and throw in some names. But I'm talking about the Casey Concepcion, Chris Brazil who I'm really high on the second coming out of Tennessee, Zachariah Branch.

[Bucky Brooks]

I would throw Chris Bell in that. Depending on how his medical. Medical checks out. I would put him in there. Do you say Jeremy, you say you got Jeremy yet?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, Jeremy Bernard is in there. I'm just through. I think that's a, that's, that's pretty.

[Bucky Brooks]

Close to what that tier is going to look like.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think Jacoby Lane, Antonio Williams. You watch Antonio Williams is going to work out well. He's going to wind up in the top 50 is my guess. Okay. From Clemson. So until Casey Concepcion, Brazil Bell, Bell.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, Bernard, it's a good group.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Dion Burks is on the outside. The Oli on that shout out to Stu Gotz, but he's Outside looking in there. But that's kind of that next tier. Okay. Which we just listed off like six. Six or so guys.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Which one of those guys is better than Fields?

[Bucky Brooks]

It's depending on what you're looking for. I mean, that's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Give me a small guy. Mensch. Give me a small guy.

[Bucky Brooks]

Who's better Branches. I mean, as a after the catch guy. It's not even close. I mean, Zachariah Branch is a absolute weapon as someone you can get the ball in his hands and watch him go.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So is Conception.

[Bucky Brooks]

Conceptions like that. I can't bring up Conception's name because every time I talk about how much like him and how well he uncovers, you remind me that he. That maybe he doesn't like to get hit.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You said it.

[Bucky Brooks]

I did. I did text that. And I do think that. But I also think he's a really good player. Chris Bell's the most fascinating of them all to me because my understanding is that if he was healthy, he was going to run an outrageous time and he's a guy that's going to probably be in the 220s. And if you're looking at an apples to apples kind of big frame receiver Chris Bell and Malachi Fields would have been. If both were healthy would have been a great conversation in my mind. But as is now, I probably get. Feels the edge coming off a great Senior bowl and someone I really like on tape.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So I'm also. I'm also told Malachi Fields was absolutely like inspiring in his interviews. But you.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, which. Yeah, I heard.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Which is hard to find sometimes at the wide receiver position.

[Bucky Brooks]

It is, it is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know, as we talk about Chris Bell and what his NFL comp is with A.J. brown and like there's a lot of handfuls at wide receiver and so maybe listen the opposite of a handful. I'm just throwing it out there.

[Bucky Brooks]

No, it's a good exercise.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's a great ex. Feels like won't shock me if he sneaks in the late first round. That's where there's the path.

[Bucky Brooks]

You just provided the path. And when having the conversation, I see the path. I'm not giving him a first round grade.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay.

[Bucky Brooks]

But you're right, there's a path. There is a path for Malachi Fields to go in the late first round. That would not be stunning and wouldn't be like, that's a terrible pick.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right. Other guys, I think that Cream rising to the top of the Senior bowl. All top 50 picks. Colton Hood is next cornerback from Tennessee. It Was not a perfect week. I'm not going to sit here, like, there were a couple times or turned the wrong way, but then he learned from it. Like, he's, he's, he's, he turns the.

[Bucky Brooks]

Wrong way a lot on tape for me. I, I, yeah, sorry.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's fluid, smooth, fast, competitive as hell when the ball is in the air. And I know, yes, there's like, But I watched him get coached up and then like, next rep, learning. I hear you. I thought he was different, the way he moved from all the other guys there. Yeah, I don't think he had the he. All right, let's put it this way. Let's, let's be honest. And I wrote this in, in the you did newsletter. I'm not saying what he did there was like, oh, he separated himself. Oh, he, like, he had an awesome week. He didn't have an awesome week the way Lee Hunter did, the way TJ Parker, those edge guys, Zion Young, Derek Moore. But just as an evaluator. You see, watching Colton Hood, I see a starting cornerback in the NFL, I can't see a guy who's man to man, competitive, smooth, long, all that stuff. So I would put him in that group even though he, I, I didn't want to, like, applaud him for having the best week, you know? Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

And I got to recognize maybe that's my bias, too, of that. I had a high opinion of him going in, and then if he doesn't dominate, then all of a sudden maybe I'm hurting him more than I should have based on three days of practice. So you got to be aware of all that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

TJ Parker is that we've talked a lot about already and his traits, what he did, I thought, I think he's, I actually think he may have played his way. If he winds up as a first round pick after being viewed as maybe potential top 10, top 50, 15 coming into the year, and then kind of like scrunching up the piece of paper, you know, and throwing it across the room during the season, went from 11 sacks to 4, 5, 24 to 20, 25. The exact opposite of what you want to do as a prospect. If he winds up getting hearing his name called on that first night of the draft, it will be because of what he did in Mobile. Like completely shifted all the negative momentum.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right. I agree. I think it's more probable than not that he gets into the late first round at this point.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I do, too. I do, too.

[Bucky Brooks]

Good for him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Couple more guys, max. Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

I can't I just, I, I swear to you. Ianature. Is that. Ianature.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm told this.

[Bucky Brooks]

I swear to you, Max.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And then a, A, let's go. I want to listen after this show to how.

[Bucky Brooks]

I swear to you, I listened to it 10 times before I came on because I knew we were going to talk to him and we like him so much. And Max, if, like, forgive me, I will get it. I am listening to it over and over and. And I'm still struggling with it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Er, is what I've heard too.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think that's closer. That is definitely closer.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay. Anyway, the offensive tackle, Max, who has an unbelievable story. Nigerian born, came to America at the age of 13, wasn't a high school football player. Was in fact an AAU star. Played some soccer in his background as well. You can see it in his athletic movements. This is a massive man who just moves really, really well and scouts and.

[Bucky Brooks]

Personal sports play multiple sports. Kids don't just lock in.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Absolutely. But he had an AAU basketball coach who said, listen, you're a great basketball player, but you could do something special in football. Wound up going to East LA Community College. Got found by the Fresno State offensive line coach. Fresno State offensive line coach. Winds up getting hired by Kenny Dillingham to be the offensive line coach at Arizona State because of that relationship in recruiting. Winds up bringing in Max. Max gets thrown into the fire his first year. Winds up playing six games, starting five. Didn't look very pretty. Got better and better. Persevered, took the, you know, took the bad moments and learned from them and built off of them. And now all of a sudden I think legitimately he could be a first round pick. I'll be shocked if he's not a top 40 pick when it's all said and done. And he looked, he looked the part this week. I thought he was the best offensive tackle at the Senior bowl this week.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's kind of mean too. The guy like you, you think of that background, didn't play football till late. Basketball, soccer, background.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, is it a finesse guy?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, yeah. Maybe he's not the. He's like, he was fighting. I mean, he, he threw, threw a couple. He threw hands during one on ones which, you know, you don't want to see too much of. But I thought it was the appropriate amount. I thought he stuck, stood up for himself and I think he's a tough kid.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Beyond that, here's one that's interesting. There's two guys that I want to get your take on. Okay. Is it over? Correction, or just Senior bowl buzz. The buzz coming out of like we spent a day in New Orleans. It's the start of Mardi Gras Mobile. They think it's Mardi Gras there. They invented it. Some great food. Yeah. Did we just do we get intoxicated by our environment down in New Orleans and Mobile for the week and I'm going too far by saying their locks in the top 50. I know this for a fact. These two guys that I'm going to mention had great weeks at the Senior bowl. Stood out among the, you know, like some of the Top players, top 10 players in this year's class from the Senior bowl. But I'm not sure are they certainly top 50 guys. Those are both edges. Derek Moore from Michigan and Zion Young from Missouri. Thoughts?

[Bucky Brooks]

I got Zion Young in there. I think he will be.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's funny. I actually think Derek Moore will be.

[Bucky Brooks]

I think he's, you know, I love Derek Moore.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think he's Brandon Graham. I think he's going to be not quite the talent. I think he's thicker in the lower. I, I, I think he. There's something to this cat.

[Bucky Brooks]

So to answer your question, I'm not sure.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think lock. I don't know if I'm ready to.

[Bucky Brooks]

Say lock, but I'll, I'll go back to my phrase for this, this pot. More probable than not that I think those guys go in the top 50. I think it's a fair assessment right now. I don't think it's an overreaction. I think it's more probable than not that those guys.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Unless there's some character durability stuff that will come out between now and the end of April. I, I'm very surprised if we, if we got to round three on Friday night and Bo and one, one of those two guys or both of those guys was still on the board. Yeah, let's put it that way.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean, Moore had a good year, man. He had 10 sacks this year.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They both had really good years.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But I thought they separated themselves down, down at the Senior bowl and it wasn't. They both had viral moments, I think. Was it Zion Young against the Illinois offensive tackle and more walk back or.

[Bucky Brooks]

Plowed the Miami tackle. Yep. Yeah, you got it. Hold on, though.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

Do you have them ahead or behind our Mason Thomas from Oklahoma? Who is your absolute dude? Your guy behind. Okay. Just want to know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I love our Mason Thomas.

[Bucky Brooks]

I know you do.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know he wanted to play. That was boring, but he's still not 100% he's getting ready for the combine. Had that injury against Tennessee and the and the, the return for a touchdown. Kind of swung that whole season for Oklahoma. Yeah, I love this is a good edge class, man. There's a lot of pass rushers if you can't get a quarterback and this isn't the best year for quarterback and we'll get to QB3 in a minute. Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

I was wondering we're gonna get the Note from Dan 45 minutes. It feels like our first like real like all show. Right. I was like I could go. I was just thinking to myself, I'm like we might go two hours.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I won't even think about our new partner Netflix. We just want to air it out today. Man down on our first show on Netflix, you know.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. Last one wild card. Where do you get Caleb Banks now? Here's my quick tape. He's one of the two or three most talented players in mobile. You can actually make an argument argument physically God given tools. Most talented player that that put on the pads this week. I think I saw more things I disliked or that that concerned me. Then I was like oh yeah, great. You know, now I'm seeing it after he didn't play very many staffs this past year with the, the foot injury. Right. So where are you in Banks in a row? I mean he's going to be a top 50 pick first round in a row out.

[Bucky Brooks]

And I'll say this, when you go each one of these events and I would say the all star games and the in the combine you're looking to get questions answered. Right. And I think that some of the questions were answered. I think he's healthy. I think he looked all right. But I also when you look at his tape from the year before, I liked his 2024 tape better than the player I saw on mobile. So now I have, I got some questions answered but now I have more questions.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

When he was concerning to me when he was like when he was chirping pissed off.

[Bucky Brooks]

When he was.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

When he was pissed off he was great. When he. Because when he's pissed off he fires out low and he has a plan.

[Bucky Brooks]

I listen, I believe but he's he's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

A buffet style effort guy kind of walks down the line and picks and chooses I from what we saw this.

[Bucky Brooks]

Week, a hundred percent I would say on Tuesday I had I told you after one on ones I I was I know this kid's talent. I don't think he has any kind of a plan as a pass rusher and he's not overwhelming guys with raw natural ability, which I think he should be doing right now by Wednesday. I thought, man, this guy, when he's pissed off, he's a problem as a pass rusher. But I believe it was the Wednesday practice where he had a pretty good one on ones and they go into the run period and he's on the ground twice. And you like that size, that ability on the ground twice.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't care if they block you.

[Bucky Brooks]

With three guys find a way. And to me, it was just like a roller coaster ride and then the, you know, you want to run your mouth. I don't really have a problem with it, but like, back it up, dude. Like, don't. You can't like be yelling all the stuff and then be like, all right, well, I'm gonna not be as. Play the same level. I'm out as a first round guy. I think, I think he's got the talent there, but I don't think he's gonna go in the first. I don't think he's gonna last. He's a. I mean, he's a top 50 guy. He's not gonna last, I don't think terribly long in the second round because any off any defensive line coach is going to watch that guy and see the measurables and say.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, a couple other corners. I was you.

[Bucky Brooks]

Are you out on the first round?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You did you say, yes, I am. Right now I don't know that he won't go in the first round because of his ability. I wouldn't draft Caleb Banks in that in the first round.

[Bucky Brooks]

I agree.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I just wouldn't. He. He worries me too much and I see all the ability and I hope he goes in the first for him. I hope he winds up in a place with a lot of veteran leadership and he, he gets pushed and he learns like how to prepare, how to work. Like I just. First round picks, you can't miss on. You just can't. And. But yeah, that's where I am on Banks. I was a little underwhelmed with Malik Muhammad at cornerback and Chris Johnson.

[Bucky Brooks]

Me too, man. I went back and tweaked it and both of them are not. Not where I thought they'd be on this morning. And it's. It is what it is next, next, you know, bad weeks.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It didn't. I don't want to say it hurt their stock, but I was hoping that they were going to be one of those two of those guys that were part of the group that really like stood out you know, I still.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's both.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They're both day two picks. They're both really, really good football players.

[Bucky Brooks]

I agree.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I just. It wasn't. It wasn't their best showing. I didn't think they did a lot of good things. They just didn't kind of, you know, like, next level.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right, Moving on. Some buzz stuff I want to get to. And you share anything you heard, and there's. I don't. Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

Before you get into this buzz, you also mentioned some guys are outside the top 50 that. That were risers.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Right.

[Bucky Brooks]

Some guys that. Yeah. And I just want to list a couple names here because there's a massive omission here. You didn't even talk.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, go to the McShay report and you can read it. I mean, I did, but you didn't. I'm saying everyone else who's watching the show right now. Mensch.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Trying to drive a little traffic.

[Bucky Brooks]

How did you not mention Garrett Nussmeier? Nussmeier is a guy that rose outside of the top 50.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think he's an absolute.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah. Right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Honestly, when I started this article, I started the article, it, like, literally, the. I was gonna open the whole thing with Nussmeyer, but I got too caught up in all the scouting from the week and everything else.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because I know you. We're gonna get to QB3 in a minute. We're gonna get to QB3 in a minute. We will.

[Bucky Brooks]

Everything. Four names. I just want to mention quickly, though.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

Because these were other guys that. Arkansas running back Mike Washington.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I agree.

[Bucky Brooks]

We had Edge Gabe Yakis out of Illinois.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Agree.

[Bucky Brooks]

And then we also had Kansas Center Gabe Yakt. And then there was one guy that I just.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm a little.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm a little confused about why he didn't make the list.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You eat oatmeal right now.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean, it's delicious. It's. It just. It's a cold day.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, if you're new to the show and you're just watching, I thought you might. We're on Netflix and we appreciate you doing so.

[Bucky Brooks]

People hearing me chew is not the best thing for the first show, but whatever.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I've. I've. I've equated my guy Roush from.

[Bucky Brooks]

From.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

From Stanford.

[Bucky Brooks]

Delicious.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, as a quarterback, think about the cold morning, Right.

[Bucky Brooks]

This is wild that this is all the things you've said on the show. Oatmeal is like wildfire for these people.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't know why, like, who doesn't. You. Cold morning, January Come downstairs. Like a nip in the air. Maybe some. Some cold air is coming through the. The windows. What do you want to eat? Like, what fills up your soul? Oatmeal. I remember my grandfather used to make oatmeal. Like, hey, like handmade, like the oats and put it in the boil the water. He would mix in some like, yeah, like a whole, like double boilers. And I like. I like a little bit of butter melted on top. Some brown sugar. By the way, he's a touch of a touch of whole milk.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's talking about a Stanford tight end. Just so everyone knows, mix it all.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Together, slice a couple bananas on top and you got a meal and you. And then you're ready to go chop down wood. You ready to go be a lumberjack, right? But as a quarterback, you want that, like, comfort, that, like, you wait, you need something to get you going. And I look like Sam Roush to me, looking at coming. Coming out of Stanford, six, five and a half, £260. He. I know he's the best blocking tight end in the class, so I've got that right there.

[Bucky Brooks]

He's a grinder.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's a grind. And then on top of it, what didn't get shown because he's playing in that awful Stanford offense, how reliable the pass catcher is. He caught everything adjusting on the move. He runs a little funny. I'll get it. Like, we'll get some gifts going, but. But he gets late separation. I'm telling you, this guy's gonna wind up on a team next year, and he's gonna wind up with like 40 something catches. He's gonna be a really good blocker, and one day he's gonna wind up in the super bowl for the super bowl winning team. He's gonna have a couple big catches.

[Bucky Brooks]

Oh, no, don't walk it back. You said his rookie year he was winning.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I didn't say rookie year. I said, you wait. There's gonna be a day where he wins the Super Bowl. You draft Roush, you're winning a Super Bowl. He's just.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay, that is. That is what you said. Yep.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You draft Roush, you're winning a Super bowl because he's. He's a winner, he's a tough guy. He's everything you want as a quarterback and an offensive coordinator, gives you flexibility. One of the most underrated players at the entire Senior Bowl. I'm glad you brought up his name. And I'm glad you brought a bowl of oatmeal. It was absurd. I was just trying to explain to people, like, how comfortable. I love throwing the ball.

[Bucky Brooks]

Love it. It.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I love. I love your son Tyler for the AI image. The AI image?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah. It's great.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right. Some. Some other buzz before we get to QB3. I was talking to a personnel guy about Crown over the offensive tackle who really played well during the week. And it. It kind of. He segued to. Yeah, I, I see the same things, but I was on the field for, for A and Miami. I got a hard time getting the images of. Of. Of Crown over getting his lunch eaten by Bane and Messador. And it kind of got us on the conversation of Bane and Messador and talking about Bane and just how thick his lower body is. And he's another guy that's been compared to, you know. Is that what I was saying earlier, Brandon Graham? Yeah, right. The thickness. I've heard Brandon Graham with him several times because everyone's looking for a cop. Because everyone started to say, well, is he a three technique? Is he an edge? Well, a lot of that same stuff was being said about Brandon Graham. I remember coming out of the draft and looking with the career. The career arc for Brandon Graham, right. I think he's got a chance to be that kind of player. And then Macedor, a lot of teams you talk to that are looking for more like wide nine pass rusher, you know, he's the better, more effective technician as a pass rusher right now and gets home more consistently while Bain's a more complete player and powerful. So those two guys, everyone I talked to in the league locks first round. Okay.

[Bucky Brooks]

Love it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Another guy who I got surprisingly glowing reports on. Dylan Thieman, safety, Oregon.

[Bucky Brooks]

Why are you surprised?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because I think he's a good player and I know he's going to work out like crazy. He's going to test through the roof. And I think a lot of people who aren't dialed in like we are to this draft process are going to be like, it's not going to be Eamon worry because he's not as tall and long, but he's going to have a workout that shocks the system. And I think people are going to say, oh, he just worked out well. He's really good on tape. The thing, the, the. What I was hearing back though, is Tosh lapoy, the defensive coordinator, like, can't. Like, it's like, we'll sit you down for a half hour and talk to you about this young man. Only had him for one year. Look at all the ball production he had at Purdue.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Says Tosh said apparently to someone that he's. He's the best nickel corner like the nickel guy you know like that star position whatever it is like Brian Branch some that he's ever coached and he's been around some pretty good ones throughout his career. So that. And he's football obsessed was the. The quote I got. So I I think them in like don't be shocked if he's a first round pick when it's all said and done.

[Bucky Brooks]

Love it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah the guys that. That interviewed unbelievably well and I'm not gonna go through the whole list but guys that really stood out obviously Jacob Rodriguez and the we saw two players force fumbles and interception doing like Jacob Rodriguez things at the Senior Bowl. He's a grown man. Anyone who's seen like Marty Smith, you know had an X post the other day responding to what I was saying about him, you know reminding us about the feature that he did which is phenomenal. And he and his wife.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's really good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Go check that out for. For my man Marty. But. But he was an awesome interview. Not surprising. Adam Randall, the running back from from Clemson I thought had a great week of practice. Big physical guy, 230 plus but lighter on his feet than I thought. The anticipation as a runner's coming. He's a former wide receiver catching the ball. His interview process was awesome. You mentioned Gabe Yakis the the edge edge from Illinois. There's more love in the league for that guy with that powerful hands and the toughness that he plays with. They utilized him at Illinois in a lot of different ways and he's kind of roaming and doing. But there are some defensive coaches that really see a clear path for him. I think he could be wind up being a second round pick.

[Bucky Brooks]

I could see that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Just love his temperament and the way he attacks the game in the professional manner he does. I mentioned Fields was an oh and I mentioned this during the show last week but Bryson Eason from Tennessee is getting. They're not the same player. Omar Norman lot my guy last year who I was leading with people about. He's a top 100 pick. I'm not there yet on Eason but I still got to finish up my tape work. Six year player in the program. A lot of guys now aren't in the program. Strength, conditioning, nutrition, technique. He saw it through, put on 20 good pounds of muscle, committed to Tennessee. Like he has characteristics and qualities about him that we're not seeing anymore. And for all the negative stuff about nil and transfer Portal it's, it's allowing a player to develop more and be more ready for the NFL, but it's also kind of holding him back from some of the strength and conditioning and being in that same program when you come in as a freshman. Here's the track, like, Nick Saban was infamous for it. Every day for the rest, for the next three to four years of your life, here's how it's going to go. Here's what you are right now. Here's where we're going to get you when we send you off to the NFL. So this, this Bryson Eason guy who's A1 technique, like, I don't want to say smaller, he's thick, he's shorter. But his explosive power in terms of firing out of his stance and creating power from ground up was on display all week at the, at the Senior bowl. And then in interviews, it's like, Officer Gentleman, he was a madman on the field. Gets in the interview room and people see that, like, commitment and the maturity and the love of the game. I think Easton's going to be a guy that goes on day two that not a lot of people were talking about before last week. Anything else, Mensch?

[Bucky Brooks]

Love it. I think one of the things we talk about that experience in the program was how coordinated he was. And listen, he's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't see a guy's going to.

[Bucky Brooks]

Be a Pro Bowler at any point. You know, maybe he'll prove me wrong, but I think he's going to be a really good rotational defensive tackle in the NFL. And, and I'll take that. And I, I think he's. He helped himself last week and I think he can definitely find, carve out a role for himself on an NFL team.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right, I want to finish with this because it was an awesome week for Garrett Nussmeier and yes, I should have included him in, in that article, but it gives us an opportunity to really dive in here. Garrett Nussmeier threw for a lot of yards and a lot of touchdowns in 2024. He burst onto the scene after sitting what was three years. It was his fourth year at LSU in 2024. Waited it out, waited his turn. He always wanted to be the LSU starting quarterback, saw a path to it, but it was going to be later in his career. Took it and did some really great things, but there were a lot too many turnovers and forcing it and trying to do too much at times in 2024. So he comes back for this year and the expectation is with all the money they spent on the portal. And I love Barry and Brown this week at wide receiver, but he's a slot and he's a day three guy. They didn't get it right at wide receiver. Protection was inconsistent and for the second year in a row there was absolutely no run game on top of it. He suffered an injury early in the, early in the season with his oblique. Had to kind of force himself to throw with poor mechanics in order to just get the job done. I talked to you about watching the Ole Miss tape. Like, I almost wanted to cry. Like, that is not the same human being. He shouldn't be out there, but it shows a level of toughness and commitment that he has. But there should have been people in that program that protected Garrett from Garrett and they didn't. With that said, he went from this guy could be a first round pick to like, is he going to go in day two? And then he's healthy again and he got cleared like a week or so before the Senior bowl. And he comes to Mobile and he answers questions honestly, does really well in his interview process. Get him on the field. I thought he was good on Tuesday, I thought he was, was damn good on Wednesday. And I thought by Thursday practice he was clearly one of the top players and clearly the top quarterback in a, in a group that was, let's face it, underwhelming. It's underwhelming quarterback class, you know, in that you had Taylor Green, who's got a lot of physical tools, but as a developmental prospect. Diego Pavia, who did amazing things at Vanderbilt but is not an NFL caliber guy. Sawyer Robertson, big mobile, big arm. I like him a lot, but he's a developmental guy. Cole Payton, who teams really like and think he's probably the most underrated of the quarterbacks that were there, but he, he's a, he's a day three guy who can come in and run some, some packages, like short yardage, goal line, that kind of stuff. According to one personnel guy I talked to said, like there's, there's a path for him to, to contribute in the NFL as a number two, number three. And then Luke Altmire who's like just, I told you vanilla. Just, just a good piece of solid toast, like a little bit of butter on top. But there's nothing fancy or special. This is not a gourmet meal, talent wise.

[Bucky Brooks]

Here we go.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But unbelievable in terms of his processing and just like doing all the right things. Yeah, but Nussmeier was up here and the rest of those guys were down There. And it was just great to see Garrett with his energy back, his confidence, his leadership, the way he got guys fired up, how decisive he was. He's not the biggest. He doesn't have a massive arm. He's not overly mobile. But he plays the game with urgency and suddenness and anticipation. And I think his super skill or his, his superpower is his mind. Having been around the game his entire life with a father who was an NFL quarterback, quarterbacks coach in the NFL, offensive coordinator now with the New Orleans Saints. This guy just knows ball. He sees things that I didn't see standing five yards behind him.

[Bucky Brooks]

I agree with that. I had this very same experience.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He knew when to like is that cover two, cover three match like, like the processing and then seeing something backside or going from read. He got to show all that this week. And then he goes in the Senior bowl on Saturday and he comes out on a heater. He winds up winning the Senior bowl mvp.

[Bucky Brooks]

Sure did.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And so, and you go back and look at the, the, the hit, the track record and history of Senior Bowl MVPs at that position. Jalen hurts being one of this. There's a handful of guys, they all.

[Bucky Brooks]

Go, I didn't know that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, not all. A lot of them have gone on to do really good things in the NFL. So with all this said, we know Fernando Mendoza's the number one pick to the Raiders at this point. It would be a shocking turn of events if that's not the case. Ty Simpson, I think is what. I don't know what FanDuel has right now, but is the odds on favorite to be the number two quarterback off the board. And you know my love for him, but I'm also a realist. I'd love to see him the Rams have two first round picks get a year behind Stafford. I could see a path to success for him there. But then we got QB3. And for a lot of people coming, you know, in the College Football Playoff, the run that Miami made, it was Carson beck might be QB3 and a lot of people were like, wait a second, what about this Trinidad Chambliss who by the way still has. There's no decision on whether he can go back to school or not. And then there's Garrett Nussmeier, who everyone had written off, but he has an unbelievably good week at the Senior bowl. And we're starting to see, oh, that's 2024 nuss. So I throw this to you as we wrap up this show. Who's your QB3. Oh.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean, I want to say TBD about who's going to be quarterback.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

3.

[Bucky Brooks]

I thought you would ask me.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, no. I'm the general manager. I'm the general manager. And you're coming to my. Yeah. And I'm not saying it won't change. And we have a lot of tape to finish up and we got a lot of people to talk to about the interviews and Carson Beck's going to be an interesting one. Is Trinidad in this class? But I'm saying to you right now, now I'm telling you, Chambers is available. Beck is available. Nussmeyer is available. We need a quarterback. We're one of these teams. The Raiders will get there. Guy where the jets in on day two, didn't get one in first round. Where the Cardinals, the Dolphins, the Browns, the Steelers. We're on day two. Let's say Ty Simpson goes to the Rams late in the first round and Fernando goes to the Raiders. Those teams, Jets, Cardinals, Dolphins, Browns, Steelers. And I'm the GM and you're the. You're the college scouting director. Who are you coming in and saying. And I tell you we're drafting one of these quarterbacks. What's your recommendation?

[Bucky Brooks]

I am going. I'm just going to trust my board right now. These grades are very close. I am going. Carson Beck and I know that's I. And we can go with the flaws right away. Talk about the downfield passing, some of the interceptions and bunches. I like the experience that he's had at the.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

At the level.

[Bucky Brooks]

I like the frame. I think that when he's in a rhythm, he's really good. A couple of things I'm not. Nuss was great this week, and Nuss was really much better in 24n24 was still the dude who had the second half fall apart against Texas A and m. He's also 6 foot nothing and 200 nothing. And I'm not sure if you're looking at a guy like that you're starting to think about, well, he was banged up last year and now he seems healthy and that's great and all, but is this going to be a problem going forward? I'm a little concerned about that. And Carson Beck has the elbow injury in the past. I mean, there's all these things to sift through and I think that's why it's a tight group. I. I think Trinidad Shambles could be the guy. I think he has a good inside lane to be the guy. But I talked to one scout and said I want to see how big he is. He's listed at 6 foot 200. Is he 6 foot 200 or is he 510, 185? I want to know. And it's going to matter to me. You can say it doesn't matter to you and that that's fine. It's going to matter to me what his frame looks like. I need that piece of information because I'm excited about Trinidad Shambliss, but I need that piece of information before I can say I would take him as. As the third quarterback in this draft.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I think I was the first person on the planet to say I would draft that guy. Trinidad Shambliss I like.

[Bucky Brooks]

And now all of a sudden we're talking about him as a second round guy, which is great. And he' the. The right to be in the conversation. That's awesome. Awesome.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But it's a.

[Bucky Brooks]

That's a kind of a meteoric rise.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know, because this conversation's happening right now. I don't have enough information on him. Size is one of the things I like. I got to get to know him more. I. He's a hard evaluation because what he did in the College Football Playoff, what he did for the majority of the year, but the way his game elevated and the ability to create and extend and the confidence he showed in the playoff and his one negative moment, fourth quarter against Georgia and then to come back against Georgia and to put together that fourth quarter against that same opponent showed me something about him.

[Bucky Brooks]

I mean, he put them in. He. He had Miami on the ropes. I mean, he's. He's pointing out blitzes and, and laughing and making touchdown throws with the game on the line late in that game. Yeah, I mean, he's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm highly intrigued by Chambliss. So am I. I see all the talent in Beck and I think he's going to be a really good backup if. If everything goes right and he gets in the right place and there's the maturity and he keeps kind of. If it keeps ticking in the right direction. I could see him being a solid starter in the NFL, but I'm still taking nuss.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's your guy. I. I love that you're. That's your guy. I, I think that's great.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And it's got to be in the right system. I would like to see him with a Mike McDaniel or I'd like to see him with a McVeigh or where his mind, his anticipation, his accuracy, his. The. The. I equate the way he plays the game to Baker Mayfield. He just doesn't have Baker's arm.

[Bucky Brooks]

I don't think he has his mobility either. I don't think he's, he's not nearly as thick. I mean, there's no.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I understand all that. I'm just. Yeah, he's not as talented as Baker. But I'm saying the way he plays the game, the, the ag, the anticipation, the seeing things that a lot of people don't see. That's what I'm saying at that, with that, that height.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So I just trust that at the worst case, I'm getting a guy who's going to be in the league a really long time, who's going to help my starter out, who understands the game, can step in and will know the offense. I could just trust him. And I think he's actually going to be a solid starter in the league if he's put in the right situation in, in a little bit of time. But, but. All right. It's an interesting thing.

[Bucky Brooks]

We could have this as a recurring segment because I think this conversation is long from over.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think it's long from over. I agree. I mean, first of all, let's find out if Chambliss is in this class.

[Bucky Brooks]

All right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Awesome. Start again. The McShay report is out. Google it. Please subscribe. And we'll be back on Thursday. We're back to men, Men. Men gets it now. Tell me you don't feel bad.

[Bucky Brooks]

So cold. Oh, it's so cold.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We'll go heat it up. Get a little butter melted on top. Little whole milk.

[Bucky Brooks]

No banana. Banana sounds like a must.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

This is fun. We appreciate everyone who's made the move with us over to Netflix and if you're watching on Spotify, awesome too. Listening on Apple or anywhere else you get your podcast. We appreciate it. Men once again. Five stars, brother.

[Bucky Brooks]

Thanks, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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