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Wide receivers always fly off the shelves. Remember, the 2025 class of receivers was lean, right? And then eight came flying off the board in the first two rounds, including four in round one. Early returns on the 2026 class of wideouts. Is it stronger? So what's in store as we inch closer to kickoff of the college football season? Just 276 days until the NFL draft. Men, you good?
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I'm good, man.
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Let's give the folks a nice summer beat. We all agreed, Stevie boy, right? This year's wide receiver. There's no wide receivers. Where are the wide receivers? Texas has only got one of them. Alabama doesn't have any stars. Where's the receivers at? Georgia? Penn State. And then we get to the draft and this class is weak. And there's. You can get some later. And four come off the board in round one. Right? And another four come off the board in round two. So that's eight in the first two rounds. I went back and looked just because we're doing wide receivers, folks, if you haven't noticed today. Yeah, mentioned. I have been grinding away at the. At the. At the wide receivers on tape, getting ready for the college football season. Early preparation for the 2026 NFL Draft. And so I started looking and I'm like, all right, we, we talked about eight wide receivers in the top two in the top two rounds. There were 11 in 2024, eight in 2023, which also was not considered a great group. 13 in 2022. Nine in 21 and 13 in 2020. So as I started this whole thing off, I said to you, they fly off the shelves because it's become. It didn't, it did not used to be the case. But wide receivers become one of the premium positions as the league has gone to more pass happy offensive attacks. Right. And I just think whether it's the, you know, the seven on sevens, the development of the passing game earlier on in age, they're just. There are wide receivers everywhere, all throughout the country. High school up to college and now in the NFL. And so we've, it's been kind of a renaissance, like a gold rush of wide receivers in the past seven, eight years. This year's class, early returns. As I said, I think it's going to be a lot better than last year's group.
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Interesting.
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But I'm not certain.
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Yeah, I'm not certain either. I want to get into it with you.
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Good. That's why it was a little bit of a lead up. Mensch. Should we go ahead?
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Should we mention off the top that the 27 class looms large over all this?
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I mean, please do.
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I mean, Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State, you got Ryan Williams from Alabama, I'm, I mean, Cam Coleman from Auburn over the last three games of the season last year was electric. Wingo excited to see what he does. Wingo at Texas. I mean, that 27 class looks like it's going to be, I mean, loaded. So just to say that off the top, looking forward to the year after this one. I, I, I, let's get into it. Let's get into this group right here. Let's get into this next group.
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All right. Before we do it, I want to have, you know, like, people are watching, man. There's like a little lull in early June and I get it. People like, all right, we need a little football break. We had the season, we had the draft, little football break. But now like the numbers. And I'm not, I'm not obsessive about it, but I care deeply about this show. I care deeply about you and Connor and Dan and Tucker and Eduardo and Marco behind the screen. Like we're trying to build something here. We're very appreciative of people tuning back in as we now, you know, get into the the ides of July. Right. And so, so why don't you tell them men how they can continue to support us the way they have. And honestly, impressive numbers in the summer.
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Yeah. Most recently we had the Manning passing academy review. There's a lot of detail in there. The Clemson.
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I mean.
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Yeah, yeah. Pictures, videos, all of that. And then obviously with the wide receivers, we're gonna have a full breakdown. I. I think we've got around like approximately 10 guys that we've gone through. Mention I did the most of the top prospects on tape. We kind of did some. We call it news. Reeling in the business of the. Kind of like whether you want to call it second, third tier, whatever it is. A few other guys just so we had a little feel for them. And we're just going to kind of go through our notes here. I'm going to rank them like this.
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Okay.
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It. Mensch. Let's like, let's.
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Let's go.
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Why bury the lead here? When I was done with my tape on the top guys and I don't know that there's a massive gap between any of them and I don't see. I don't see a Ryan Williams or Jeremiah Smith in this class. Okay.
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No, it's. It's going to. There is a cluster of really talented guys. No one has really set themselves apart.
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Second round day two guys for my. For my liking. Okay. Like 91. Grades 90. Grades 89, 88. Not like I could right now. I'll give Jeremiah Smith A97.
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Yes.
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You want to play that game right now in July of 2025. No Pro 95. And I'll sleep like a baby tonight.
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Not a problem. Nope.
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So. So now you have a kind of a feel for the class here. I'm gonna. I'm gonna rip off. And I'm not like in stone. This is my guy. Nothing can happen all that early days.
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Early days, early days.
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And I don't. And. And as I finished them, I didn't see a Big gap. It's not like, oh, I'm giving this guy 95, and the other guy's a 91. 90. And then we'll come back and we'll go through what.
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One other thing I'll add to that. I. I have to be careful about this, because you go into film with expectations, and there are some names. When you go into the tape, you're expecting a certain something, you know, a certain level when you're watching that player. And there's other names. You're like, I've heard of this guy. Let's see what he can do. And you're going in with more of a blank slate, and so it's easier for that player to impress you. These are all these kinds of, like, biases that go on that you have to be careful about, because there's a couple guys that I watched was like, oh, I didn't know. I don't know you could do that. This guy's a little better than I thought. And where have you been? Kind of a deal.
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Yeah.
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Don't think you snuck that by me. No, I mean, if you love sauce and, like, it's the summer, so maybe it's not like a, you know, heavy pasta dish, but maybe like a fra diablo or, like, you know. Yeah, check it out on Instagram. Go on social media. Go to their website, Perrones Gourmet Italian. It's our family sponsor here at the McShay show. Okay. All right, here's my rankings, and I want to know where you're like, I'm not so sure. And then we can dive right into the tape. Number one without a ton of conviction yet, but really excited to see what happens this year with the improvement. Antonio Williams, wide receiver, Clemson. Followed up by Jeremy Bernard, Alabama.
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Really?
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Yep. But. But don't know that there's as much upside with him as maybe some other guys. Let's say Jordan Tyson saw a little Debo Samuel in there. From Arizona State, wide receiver Carnell Tate, Ohio.
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So Tyson was three.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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Carnell, Tate, four. Denzel Boston, five. I let you handle the. The. The brunt or grunt work or the grind on the USC wide receivers, but from what I've seen, I really like the Makai Lemon young man, but DeAndre Moore I would have in there. So one, two, three fours. Tate, five is Boston. I'll say more six right now, but. But I'm interested to see what you have on Maai Lemon, and obviously I'll get. Get through it and then beyond that. I think, again, a little bit of a gap here, but I think Eric Singleton, Singleton from Auburn is awfully intriguing. And some other names we'll get to today. Nick harbor from South Carolina, Jacobe Lane, the other wide receiver from usc, and Elijah Sarat from Indiana. All right, that's the list. What, what jumps out at you right there?
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I don't, I like the seven. I'm not going to argue with the seven. I would slightly, I would have them slightly in a different order and I can't wait to get into why there's a. These, it's. These guys are pretty unique. I like that, that there's. We're not. You're not going to hear a repetitive report about these players. But I, I have Tyson as two. I have Bernard farther down. I have Tate farther down. I would go Williams, Tyson, Boston more. And then I would go to Bernard, then I would go to Tate, who I really like. People are going to think I hate Ohio State receivers, by the way, because.
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You know, I mean, there's a trade.
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I'm sorry to get a rep for certain things, but I really like them a little bit farther down. But they're all, again, very close. There was a, it was like 90, 88, 88, 87, 86. Not as high. I'm not as high on the USC receivers. I see it. They're not, they're not there yet. Or I should say Lane's not there yet. Lemon is more of a, I think like a mid round guy who could be a really good player in the NFL, but I'm not sure is going to ever be, you know, an elite, elite player.
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So I.
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Can we talk about Tyson first?
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I mean, or do you want to.
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Talk about Williams first?
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Sure, if you want to go rogue. No, let's go Tyson first, then.
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Here's the thing about Tyson that I, I was really geeked up about watching him is. His route running is impressive to me. I think he is. He's on another level. So when we go through these breakdowns and you're on pff, they have a quick cut. They give you an idea of what routes each guy's running. And at the college level, you're going to see a lot of crossers and hitches and go routes and these aren't very complicated routes to run. They're, you know, they're, they're important routes. They're a big part of the tree and you could be productive off of them. I'm not, you know, they are what they are. But when you look at Tyson's route tree, a lot of ins and a lot of outs. And what I love is the way he can win at the line of scrimmage and then he can get square and vertical again and then reset the defensive back and then at the top of his route, make another break. He can put defensive backs in conflict. He puts. Gets them off balance. He is a really good route runner. I love the way he separates. I love the way he's after the cat, the catch, the D. I think that he had a chance to be the clear cut, number one guy here. But the thing that scares me about me, about him, and I'll see if you say the same thing, is the hands. Yeah. A little scary to me. And I'll say this. There are other guys that had more targets. I think Antonio Williams had, I should say this, had fewer targets and one more drop. And we can talk about those hands, too. But when I'm watching them on tape, Antonio Williams is. Is a much more natural pass catcher.
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Yeah.
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So you can look at the. You can look at the numbers.
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Stats lied on Antonio Williams ball skills. They didn't lie on Jordan Tyson's. They didn't. And they did not lie on Deandre Moore from Texas. And we'll get to him in a little bit.
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Yes.
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All right, so for Tyson, while we're on Jordan Tyson, just to kind of give a little background here because you like to jump the gun. You're. You're like my. My emotional scout.
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You know, I've been dying to talk about this. This.
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I can tell.
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Crazy.
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I can tell. You put on the Perron's gourmet Italian hat, you're all fired up. It's been a week into it. Tyson, 61 1, 95. He looks that. He looks 2, oh, 5 or something.
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He does, right? I agree.
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He led ASU across the board last year. Remember, when he went down, it was like all hands on deck because he. He nearly doubled up the next best wide receiver or the, you know, most productive receiver for ASU. It's 75 catches, 1101 receiving yards, and 10 touchdowns. I think he's borderline an elite separator. And the stats actually match up with that. With 94th percentiles last year in separation. And I wrote Tate matches up. I. What I like about him as a route runner is if he's not winning with, like, suddenness, he's winning with power and strength and sturdy frame. I also really like how he tempos his routes. Some guys tempo their routes because it's Cute. Some guys tempo their routes with intention. He tempos with intention, okay? And by tempoing, I mean full speed, gear down, start off slow, then it, it just think about it. It can accentuate a cut. When you're going in three quarter speed and then all of a sudden a DB's kind of like lulled to sleep with that speed. As he's coming up firing off the line of scrimmage with a free release, you're like, why isn't he going 100, 100%? And you can kind of tell he's not going 100%. But then when he goes and breaks out of a route and accelerates, you're like, well, there it is. And now I'm, now I'm a quarter count behind as a db.
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So he does the angle of the break too. The angle, it's never drifting up field where you give a chance for the defender to either jump in front of the route or to recover. It's always, it's always at a 90 degree angle or working back towards the quarterback. As a quarterback, you love that, you love that because he's not putting you in a bad spot. He's not making what should be a routine throw, a harder throw. The angle of that break at the top of his stem is also something that jumped out to me.
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I went up to Cohasset Field the other day, right, because one of our children left a water bottle. Like it's a daily occurrence. So I went up there, jumped out of the car, ran over. It's across the field I saw three, three young men, three high school kids, right, like practicing in the middle of the summer, hot on the field and they're working on routes and getting open. There's a quarterback throwing to him and I'm watching for like two minutes and I was like, ah, I can't help myself. So I went over and they like I spent five minutes with them and it wasn't like rocket science or, but like you can run, you can run the post corner, come off the line with this angle, you can come off the line with this angle, you can run it straight. Adam, every time you run the same route, run a different stem and tempo, the route differently. I, I'm a quarterback by, by trait. And so this quarterback's going to rely like you need to be where you need to be, but how you get there doesn't matter to me. I'm not watching you, I'm, I need to know you're there. I don't need to know how you got there, but I Want you to get there with as much separation as you can. So this guy has a good feel, Jordan Tyson does of those things.
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There's a video, I think I've referenced it before. I watch it every time before I watch Wide Receivers. It's. It's about 20 minutes. You can find it on YouTube. And it's just Devonte Adams talking about his release and about his routes. I watch it every single time because I get in the thing that really stuck out. And again, I watched it again. The thing that stuck out to me this time was when I go to the line of scrimmage, I am, I am not thinking to myself I'm going to do this or that. I'm looking at what the defender is giving me and if the, if I need to get outside leverage and he's on my outside, then I know that I have to do A, B or C. He's. He is adjusting to what's happening. So he's running like you're saying his release and his route and the way he stems it, all those things rely on the coverage and the alignment of the defender, even though he's getting to the same spot every single time. And to me, you know, I love that video. It's fascinating to me and it's a good reminder of, I mean, just how much he loves that position and how much he pays attention to the craft. And when you see a route runner like Tyson, this is a guy that gets it. He's not getting by on natural ability, which is good. It's. It's good natural ability, but he, he likes the craft. And by the way, his receivers coach at Arizona State is Heinz Ward. I mean, Steeler. Great Ward. Yeah, he's one of the great.
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All time, like a guy who's going.
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To pay attention to detail, who's going to demand a lot out of you.
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That actually makes a lot of sense.
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Ton of sense.
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I like him after the catch. He's. He's not, he's not slow, but he's not. I wouldn't classify him as a speedster like he, no, he's probably a 447-44840 guy, but he plucks, he transitions quickly. He makes one cut, makes that first defender miss. It's like, you know, and he's the type who, like, anticipates if he's got his back to the defensive back catching the football. He's got a. He's. A lot of the great receivers have that sense of like, where's he coming from? Is he angling from here. If so, I'm going to work back against his leverage. Right. So I let. He's big, he's strong, he's sturdy. After the catch, he'll. He's tough to bring down. He'll drag some defenders at the end. Also physical. Gave good, good effort as a blocker, all those things. But, but the drops were frustrating. Not as frustrating as DeAndre Moore of Texas, but like some of the easy stuff, you know, like some easy. I just, I felt like he fights the ball a little bit and is this something like the Jugs machine can cure a lot, but if he's working this hard at his routes and all the little things, why, why hasn't that caught up? So what it was like, like 10.5 drop rate the last three years improved slightly to 8.4 where he had seven drops last year. But we need to see more improvement in that area.
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He had. I think he had two fumbles last year, too, which makes me. Now we're starting to get into the. How big are your hands, my man? I start to get a, you know, not, like, not. It's not, it's just a part of the evaluation. But I do worry that he might have smaller hands and that might be part of the issue.
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I mentioned shades of Debo because of the thick frame, the physicality. Right. I, I. Debo has better ball skills. I would argue that, that Jordan Tyson maybe even right now is a better route runner.
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Yeah.
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Which is pretty cool to see. And say Debo's more reliable hands. As I said, bigger factors are runner. I don't know that's necessarily like a fault of Tyson's, but both are, both are good after the. With the ball in their hands, but both excel after the catch. Both are highly physical route runners, contested catches, blockers.
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Yeah. Tyson makes some, some. I mean, that grab the Tyson made against Arizona, like he had the toe tap on the left sideline and it was. I mean, he makes some catches that you're. It'll, you know, make you sit up a little bit, but it's the consistency of it all.
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Yeah. All right, so I feel like we have a good, good feel on Tyson again. You have him, I think, rated a little bit graded a little. I gave him an 89, 90 right on the fringe of first round.
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That's right where I had him, too.
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So. So my highest rated guy, Antonio Williams, I gave a 91. So again, like, they're, they're in a cluster for me at least. Do you mind, Steve, if we go back to Antonio Williams?
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No, Go for it man. That's fine. He's pretty good too.
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I want to see if Antonio Williams takes his game to another level level this year. I really do. He's an average size playmaker. Led the, led the Tigers 74 cat 75 catches, 904 receiving yards, 11 touchdowns. Also average 9.7 on punt returns. Okay. I would give him a one as a route runner. Remember everyone who's followed along one on.
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Our position, maybe 1.5 right there.
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Okay. Our position specific grades. Our one is excellent. Two is above average. Three is average. Fours below average, five is marginal. Okay, so I give him a one as a route runner. I like I thought he was outstanding on all three levels. The stats matched up 95th percentile in separation. I thought he was crisp off the line of scrimmage tempos and stems his routes beautifully. I love the way he drops his.
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Weight and snaps his head too. Like it's one. Like it's almost like a violent motion like that head snap too of I'm not giving away anything with my upper body and then I get there and boom. It's a violent. It's a violent motion that. I mean if you're a defensive back that is just tough. Good luck trying to stay with that.
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I gave him a two ball skills.
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The drops are misleading and I read.
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That he's in the 20. Hey folks, this is why stats are super helpful and stats can lead you somewhere but stats also can lead you somewhere and you realize that it's not accurate and, and maybe that number and, and whoever's doing their job for pff did their job. There are, there are. The drops existed but they're not scouting evaluation drops if you will. Do you know what I mean? Like all, not all drops are made equal.
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They're different.
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There's focus drops. There's like there's balls that are off target that like in like bang bang moments. But for him, like yeah, he had the eight drops but I, I was impressed by the. For, for the most part I thought he showed a consistent ability to track the ball, adjust to the ball, pluck the ball away from his frame. Okay. I thought he's a hands catcher, not a body catcher. Biggest, the biggest knock I had on him. The reason I wouldn't go one, two reasons. One, there were some focus drops and some ones that. But I also think like part of the reason the number of drops is I don't think he has a huge catch radius comparatively. You know what I mean? I don't know.
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Yeah, he just doesn't He's. That's his frame.
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Yeah, he's 5 11, 190. He's estimated 4, 4 5, which I think is about right based off the tape. So I just think he's got NFL like, separation skills. Intermediate possession weapon with some vertical ability. Needs fewer drops and a little bit more yards. After catch, I didn't see enough because he's shifty and he's quick and he's got speed. I didn't see enough after the catch from him.
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I thought I was. I don't know what the numbers are. I didn't look at the numbers, the after the catch numbers. I think it's a strength of his. I think that burst. He has a burst that can. If you're a defender and you come in and you try to break down and you try to play it safe, he will make you look like you're standing still and he will say, see you later. If you come in and you're overaggressive and you lunge, he'll run right out of that tackle, too. I think his quickness, you see it as a route runner, but also with the ball in his hands. Again, I don't know what the numbers were production wise, but I. I feel like that's a strength. I feel like that's a strength.
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I think it can be. I. I just want to see more fair. I want to see more of it this year. I was done after Florida State with the.
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The bounce when he caught it and bounced it off. And then you're talking about that.
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Skills are an issue. I was done with the ball. Skills are an issue after Florida State, like the Georgia game. I love the way he stemmed his route. It was like 3:20. Yeah. 327, first quarter.
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He was good in that game for.
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Intentional sharp clean off the line of scrimmage on that play. And I love. If you. If you have access to it, it's a three. It's 327, first quarter. He drives the defensive back inside before breaking to the corner. And that's when I was like, oh, okay, I'm starting to see it. Subtle hand contact, right, to generate a little bit of separation. Then he tracks it beautifully over over his shoulder. Okay. Then we get to Florida State 3:30, first quarter. Go up and high point the ball. Ball that hung in the air. And he does it with toughness, right? So like not the bigot. 511, 190, but he's balls hanging in the air, right. Despite two Florida State DBs converging. Remember, in the Middle of the field, he goes up, hangs on it. Concentration, pulls it in, absorbs the hit, bounces off, scoots in for six.
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You gotta have the balls to make that catch too, by the way. That's, you know, there's a guy closing like, you gotta have some balls to go up and get that, man.
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I saw some other guys on this list that I don't know that they would have made that catch.
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Okay, interesting.
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Later in the game, I didn't write down the time code, but he did a great job adjusting and high, pointing the ball behind him, over his head, big time catch. So that's when I was like, yeah, I don't. I'm good. I'm good on the ball skills. All right, so we got Antonio Williams, we got, we've got Jordan Tyson. I'm high on Jeremy Bernard. You're not as high. 6, 1, 2, 10. Ran a 4, 5. He runs a 4, 5. Estimated spent his first two seasons at Washington. Obviously the coaching change, Caleb comes over and he goes with them. Had just four catches as a freshman at Washington. Made a big jump in 2023 at UW though. He had 34 catches. 419 12.3. And you got to, you got to remember that's a guy who.
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Right. Who's he playing with?
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Well, there are three wide receivers. Jalen McMillan, Jalen Polk and Roma Dunes.
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Yeah.
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So like, yeah, we can excuse. And when we. And when we get to Boston, Denzel Boston later, it's the same thing. Like not a lot of production early in career, obviously.
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Right.
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So that's his backdrop. Then he gets to Alabama. Last year, 50 catches. Led the Tide with 50 catches. And the offense, obviously quarterback passing game was not up to the level average. 16 yards per catch. I don't think he's a burner, but he's a tough receiver who I think has a knack for uncovering. Scouts I've talked to are really high on his is. I don't want to even say upside, but just think he's going to be a guy in the NFL and I don't disagree. I think he's better. I think he's good versus single coverage. But I thought he was really good in zones finding. So you know what I mean? Just like that. And I can see why after I talked to some scouts.
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First note ahead. He has a good understanding of how to attack zone looks.
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Right.
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And like where to sit y.
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B
How to. How to help his quarterback. Right. Really reliable hands, man. Plucks it naturally. Tough catches over his head. Strong, reliable in Traffic takes hits, holds on just two drops all of last season. And I was interested, too. Like, he. He's shifty and really heats it up after the catch.
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He is. I don't think he's the. I. I do worry about the top of the route and how tight he is and whether or not he's gonna. He's really good with jab steps at the top of the route and whether or not I. I want to see more of those routes. I want to see more of the sharp, breaking routes and how he gets in and out of it. He's got an NFL frame, but the lateral quickness. And you see this in certain routes. He put Malachi Starks, the Georgia safety who just went first. He put him in an absolute blender because of how. How violently. Again, violent. How violently he moves laterally. And you see that after the catch. He's a re for 61209. He's a shifty dude after the catch. He's hard to get a clean hit on. He can make guys miss. I agree with you on that. I also say this. I felt like watching it. I made a note of it. Milro Jalen Milro. I. I've already. I'm on record of saying I think he can develop into a player in the league. I think he developed into a starter, but we did. We've talked ad nauseam about how inaccurate he was last year, and it made it kind of tough to evaluate Bernard because it made it easy to evaluate how good he is at adjusting to passes outside his frame, which he's really good at. He's really good adjusting to passes that don't hit him right in the. In the chest. But it also affected his. It limited his opportunities to make plays after the catch. I think it limited his opportunities downfield. I'm hoping that this year you're going to get more of a cleaner evaluation of Bernard.
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B
Yeah, I agree. Yeah. And it'll be interesting to see the offense, too. Ty Simpson, right?
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A
Yeah. So he could. I mean, Bernard could easily move up.
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B
I.
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A
It's. To me, it was. And again, they're all right there, but to me, I was like, I want to see more. I just want to see a little bit more.
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B
Yep. Okay. Then moving on, we've got Antonio Williams, Jeremy Bernard, Jordan Tyson.
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A
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B
Let's get into it. You hate. You hate. This is. This is a. This is a hill. You don't want to die on men.
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A
I know man.
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B
Trust hating Ohio State wide receivers is. I don't.
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A
Here's the thing. I don't hate him. I don't hate him.
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B
I really. What about a Mecca Buka?
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A
I know man. Do you think he's going to run as well as a Mecca did?
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B
What did Mecca run like 4, 4 8?
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A
Yeah. 4 4, 544 8. I think.
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B
No. In fact the number one thing with Carnell Tate is apparently he ran like a 46 in high school or something and some people think he's like may have run a 4 7. But here's what I say in response to that. Ohio State picked him. He didn't pick Ohio. I mean he did ultimately pick Ohio State. Ohio State picked him.
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A
Yeah, I get it.
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B
They. They. Here's, here's this.
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A
Let me give you the good about him. Okay?
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B
Okay.
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A
I think he is smooth and efficient in everything he does.
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B
We just talked about 191. Just FYI. Go ahead. Six three.
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A
191. He, you know last year he was playing with Ibuka and with Jeremiah Smith. I thought he had a really good playoff run. He had a, I thought he had some really good performances, some big time catches in the playoffs. You know he's you know, fighting for targets in that, in that offense. He is a productive, really good player. He's smooth and efficient. Everything he does. We just talked about this with Bernard. He excels at finding exploiting pockets and zone looks. He uncovers when the play starts to break down. He's not explosive, but he can stick his foot in the ground and make, you know, crisp cuts at the top of his routes. I love the way he separates. I love this thing about him. And I think this is. I remember Joe Walsh used to talk about this, about the 49ers offense. Give me receivers to get north, south, man. Get north, south. I don't need all these moves. Get north, south. Get me yards after the catch. Get north, south. And this is. And Tate is excellent at it. And he can still make guys that miss. He'll make a defender miss here and there. He's not a, an ankle breaker, but he knifes up field and he's going to get you. He's always going to get you a little extra at the end, catches the ball. Well, I just. The thing I worry about is, are we, have we. Have we topped out? Is he maybe topped out where he is? And that's a credit to where he is in terms of his development, how hard he's worked and the attention to detail he pays. But I don't see an elite natural talent. And when you're looking at how that's going to translate to the NFL, I think he could be a very good player. I'm just not sure he's going to be a first, first round kind of player.
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B
Yeah, I mean, you said the same thing about a Mecca.
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A
I did.
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B
And I'm, and I'll be quite honest, I'm not.
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A
You can't let it go.
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B
I was, I was. No, I was much more confident about a Mecca, but also what, what I, I compared it to, to like dating eventually your friend who you become romantic with like you event. And I just wonder over time if we'll get romantic with Tate. Maybe I'm a little bit more romantic with them now because I see what, what translates. I see how important and I understand how important reliability is.
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A
He's reliable. Yep.
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B
Awesome versus own. Knows where to be. Understands leverage, understands stems, getting in and out of breaks. Understands importance of catching the ball in traffic and being a tough guy. Goes over the middle. Does a lot of the dirty work. Big 6 foot 3 frame. Good catching radius. Okay. Finds the soft spots and zones. Strong, confident hands. Only three drops last season. 5.4 drop rate. Okay. Great effort as a stock blocker man.
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A
Great effort all around. Everything he does is effort.
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B
Everything he does. And so I can count on this guy. So now and, and coached extremely well as a blocker. Holy smokes, man. Like, like position balance, you know, moving his feet, seal them off, but then when to punch. Sustaining like high level blocking for a college wide receiver. Yeah. I'm curious though. Is he a 4, 6, 5, right? Or is he like a.
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A
By the way, if people start that will, that will be flipping the script for me at that point because people will come back and tell me he's a 464 or 4 6, 5 and said that he can't play in the league. I'm gonna be like, that's because just watch the tape. This kid can play. I mean we're, I'm talking about. I gave him an 85, I think or an 86. That's what I'm talking about with this player. I'm just not seeing an elite. I don't think he's going to be wide receiver run.
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B
Okay, I, this is funny. I've got an 84 grade on him.
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A
Yeah. Okay, good. Right.
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B
So like maybe I ranked him a little bit ahead of one or two other guys for you. But I've got a. He's a, he's a second rounder right now. Could fall if he really truly is a 465.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It tells me he just wouldn't run if that's the case. But, but also it could elevate if he continues to elevate his game and if he surprises people and runs better than There was an. Before we move off of tape, there was an awesome to play sequence. So you know like when you're watching tape and you're stacking receivers or whatever position and it's not redundant but like when something jumps out like within the framework of a game, it's really cool to share. Against IU, against Indiana. Okay. There was this really cool two play sequence. It was 119 in the first quarter. It was a third and 35. Okay. Initial play breaks down, Will Howard scrambles around, he works back to his quarterback on a scrambles scramble rules. Which again, these Ohio State receivers, they've been coached like brilliantly and don't give up.
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A
If you give up, you're off the field, man. You better work your ass off. Yeah.
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B
We got the next five star.
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A
Yeah, right. Don't get comfortable, man.
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B
And so, so he works, he, he actually finds a soft spot vertically. A lot of times guys come back, he works over the top of the. Of the defense. Finds this little soft area over towards the right sideline. If you're right sideline, right sideline. Okay. Tough over the head catch. Third and 35 picks up 25 and gives Ohio State options on fourth and 10 because it. And now not just fourth and 10, but it's at like the 35 yard line, so it's not clear field goal. You're in no man's land. So what do we do? Let's go. All right, fourth and ten. Very next play. He uncovers along the left sideline, makes an easy catch, right? But then he's got the first down on the catch, but then makes a first defender miss. Rumbles for another eight yards after you catch, gains about 18. In that two play sequence, it's what, 43 yards. You're looking at third and 35 and he provides 43 yards. It was awesome.
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A
And this is the guy who's supposed to be their third best receiver. I remember saying that last year. We talk about the other two guys. I'm like, don't forget about tape, man. Like that's what's great about that Ohio State offense. You have to worry about those backs and Smith and Igbuka, and then you got this guy Tate who can just make plays if you take everything else away.
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B
All right, I want to get to Denzel Boston because I did his full tape. And I want to get to DeAndre Moore from Texas because I did, I finished up his this morning.
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A
Oh, you did? Nice.
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B
Yeah, I, I wasn't going to. I told you. And then I, I was going to let you handle him, but I just couldn't help myself.
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A
There you go.
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B
So Denzel, Denzel, Boston Washington receiver. 6, 4, 2, 10. Really intriguing frame, right? Estimated 4, 5, 2. So like good enough speed for, for his size, not a burner. He's entering now his fourth year at UW. He combined for just seven catches his first two seasons. 2022, 2023. Playback the tape. We got Roma dunesday, Jalen Polk and Jalen McMillan. But in 2024, those guys move on. He has a breakout year. Second on the team with 63 catches, 834 yards, 13.2 average and nine touchdowns. And I'm excited to see this year, like, can he step. Like this is the step up year because last year's leading receiver, Giles Jackson is, is gone. And so now it's, it's, it's his receiver room. And so it's his second year as a full time starter, his receiver room. There's the quarterback, Williams, Damon Williams, really well, really well, more of a runner at this point than like pure passer. But I told you at Manning Passing Academy, he stood out like really athletic, big arm there's going to be. He may not have as many catches what he had 63 I said last year, maybe he does. But my guess is he's going to have some big bigger play opportunities. So that's that. I thought versus, I thought versus man coverage. One on one. He was really, really good. I thought he was okay. Solid, like the zone stuff. Caught the ball extremely well. Three drops last year. That's it. 4.5%. He was up there like, I don't know, high 80 percentile, whatever it was. Big strong receiver, uses quick feet and physicality. That combination. Not a burner. He's not going to get guys backed off and worried. But it's, it's this quick feed at the top of the stem with a little, you know, to get separation. I didn't see much as a vertical guy. Not huge after the catch, but drags defenders. Generates extra yards with his strength. But my goodness, he's just reliable as a route runner. Catching the football can is excellent, not good. Excellent on contested catches. Knows how to body guys. Strong frame, strong hands. I just kept writing the same notes. A big, physical, tightly packed, sturdy, not explosive, not fast, but good. Contested, strong in traffic, reliable hands. It's all the same notes, you know. Go ahead.
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For me, I thought he had more juice, man. I mean the Utah game was eye opening for me. He had a. He basically sat right over, you know, right in front of the quarterback, sat down the window, caught a three yard pass and turned into a 51 yard touchdown. And granted he got a block downfield, but man, he was still moving. I don't know how he is about, you know, I don't think he's an elite burner, but this guy's got for a six four dude, he's got some.
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B
That's what I'm saying. It's good speed for his size, but I don't want to like we're not in like DK or aj. No, no, no. You know what I mean?
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A
I agree with you.
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B
I just don't want. Because a lot of, A lot of people who are watching or listening right now, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcast, this might be the first and it's Washington. I don't know how many, like.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You know how many exposures he's. The audience has to him. He's not. Right. Like Nick harbor from South Carolina's get some of those traits. Well, we'll get to him in a little bit. But. But this guy has got. He's got good speed but he's not like Quite at that level. But yes, I, I thought you would really like this guy.
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A
You know why I do really like this guy.
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B
I see. Okay. I see some shades of Pat Bryant. Yes. He compared Pat Bryant to Michael Thomas.
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A
He's got some T. Higgins, I think in him. I think he's got some T. Higgins in him. Like I, I was. This is one of two for me that I was blown away with that I was like, wow, this is. I had not watched a lot of Denzel Boston. I thought it might be David Boston's kid. By the way, remember the old yoked up. No, I couldn't find. It might be. I couldn't find anything that says that he was.
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B
That's a positive for him if it's not.
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A
So anyways, I, I was, I had not watched a lot of them. I'll be honest. He didn't watch a lot of Washington's offense last year. And I'm watching this guy on tape and I was, I was blown away. I think he's got a chance with that frame. I mean he's running, he's, he's running whip routes and whip routes. If people don't know what those are, that's where you, you start over the middle and then you sink and explode back out with your. While you're facing the quarterback. It's the route that Julian Edelman ran in the Atlanta super bowl where they say he pushed off, but it's that kind of quick route. Those are for like Julian Edelman receivers. You don't run that with six foot four dudes. And then another, he ran another goal line fade where he worked inside and then worked back outside. I couldn't believe how well he sank his hips for a 6 foot 4 dude. Now he's never going to be that super explosive route runner. I'm not saying that. But there he has a skill set for a frame that big that I'm, I'm really excited to see what he can do this year. I was really happy to get to see him because I had not seen him before and just another player to get excited about.
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B
Yeah, I give him an 82 grade but like recognize that a second year full time starter.
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A
Yeah.
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B
It wouldn't shock me if we were talking late first for this guy. When it's all said and done.
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A
Yeah, that's how I feel too.
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B
And this is kind of where I feel like this. Yeah. We don't have, we don't have a Jeremiah Smith, we don't have a Ryan Williams, we don't have a Wingo we don't have, you know.
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A
Right, right.
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B
But we got a lot of really good players. We.
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A
I know how you already felt. I know how you felt about him last year, so I'll say There's no Ted McMillan in this class either. And do you think there's a Matthew Golden? We didn't think there was a Matthew golden at this time last year either.
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B
I think Antonio Williams, I don't know that he's quite that speed.
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A
Yeah. I don't know.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Good, good, good receivers. I'm not sure there's any elites.
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B
So it was. It was Travis Hunter, obviously. We kind of.
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A
Right.
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B
You know, whether db, I keep.
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A
I always forget about the unicorn. Yeah.
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B
Hunter went two to the Jaguars Tet went ten. No, eight, eight to Carolina. A Mecca was the third wide receiver. I'm not going to look down. Was it Tampa Bay at 15? 18?
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A
I thought it was a little later.
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B
Than 19, and then I'm gonna. Golden was 24.
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A
That makes sense. Houston Washington or Houston Texans? It was Houston. Sorry. Yeah.
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B
No, no, no. It was the Packers. What am I thinking? Geez, how quickly we forget.
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A
Yeah, man, it's July. July.
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B
The Texans took the two Iowa State guys. That's what I was thinking. Higgins, who was the second pick of the second round, I think it was 34 overall. All right, so speaking of golden, let's do Texas's receiver, DeAndre Moore. Interesting. He was an interesting cat, like limited on special teams as a freshman. 20, 23 last year with Matthew Golden, Gunner Helm, Isaiah Bond, who was up and down, more down than up. They're all gone, though. And he. He still was third on the team with 30. Only 39 catches, 456 yards, 11.7 and seven touchdowns. I think he's got a. He's a slot receiver for me. And that's what. And that's what he was for Coach Sark last year. Now, I'm not saying he doesn't have inside out potential. He's 6 foot 195, estimated like 4, 4 4, something like mid four fours. Okay. I positives were jumped out sharp, sudden off the line of scrimmage, uncovers quickly reaches top gear quickly. I watched him run past the Mississippi State db. I was like, oh, great, show me someone good. Then he did it to Florida's db.
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Yes.
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B
And he kept. You know what I mean?
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And you're like, dude, he's running by a lot of guys all of a sudden.
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B
Yeah, he's. Maybe it's not a Mississippi State safety from the slot. Maybe it's Now a Florida corner, it's, you know, like. And so, so I, I got to see like the true on field speed. I think he's really agile, light on his feet. He's like, he's got that suddenness. You look for really good acceleration out of his breaks, which is critical to me in terms of separating in the NFL and college alike at his best versus single coverage. I don't think he's savvy enough yet in terms of like zone understanding. He's just, I'm faster than you, I'm more agile than you. I'm a better athlete than you. They're going to hide me in the slot. If you want to move your perimeter corner inside here, then you got to cover Matthew golden or somebody out there. So I'm probably going to get a nickel occasionally. I'm going to get a free right. And so I'm just like mano a mano, right? And so it's going to be interesting to see now that he is the guy or is projected to be and should be the guy, if not one of the top two guys. Is it just from the slot? Can he do it on the outside versus perimeter corners? But the, the tape doesn't lie that he's got this. The agility, the quickness, the suddenness, the acceleration both out of cuts and off the line of scrimmage.
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A
I agree with you. Even though, listen, he ran primarily go routes and crossing routes. He did, but every time he got a chance, I mean, it was, you know, you saw it. This kid, yes, has a chance. In terms of his upside as a route runner, it is high.
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B
You know what else I fell in love with? With this cat.
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A
What's that?
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B
Mississippi State, 12 minutes, 19 seconds to go in the fourth quarter. I actually didn't look up the score, but I'm guessing it wasn't that close. His effort as a blocker was like, clip that off. Like, if I was back at espn, it's clip that off. Send it to one of our, our guys who handled all of our tape beautifully, and hold on to this for next year. I don't care if it's from three years ago. This is the stuff he, he, he gets, he comes. Or so picture it. Your quarterback at the line of scrimmage, right, going to hand off the ball to whoever the back was. He's coming in from the left slot and he's got a seal up. We call it crack back, seal up. Whatever it is, he's sealing off the. I think it was the nickel. Maybe it was a Linebacker gets in, doesn't get it clean, but get.
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A
But.
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B
But gets his block and then kind of gets help from the offensive line as they're. As they're just down blocking and erasing that side of the. So then he's not done. How many. We've watched wide receivers for 25 years. As Bruce used to say, with edge rushers, like, do they set a hard edge or is he just getting there? Like, hey, coach, take a Polaroid, take a picture. So I set the edge so that like, you got evidence that you did it. A lot of receivers just want evidence that they did their job. This peels off the linebacker races downfield, head on, swivel gets a little shove in here. And then the. And the running back makes a cut back to the outside. I counted 41 yards downfield, men. He's now gets into the body of a pads of a defensive back and rides them all the way up to the. To the sideline. It was awesome.
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A
Impressive. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
6 foot 195 and he's out there just. Just mauling dudes and like grinding. I. I loved it, but I think we're burying the lead on DeAndre Moore. Yeah, he's a body catcher. That's the first note I put in. Body catcher. Is this a problem? Too many drops. 11.1 percentage last year, 15 15th percentile. Fights it on tape. Stats don't. Stats actually do match up here, which I wrote is not. May not always be the case. He had. The two drops in Florida were just bad, man. I mean, I don't know what.
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A
Yeah. You know what's funny about that is that it was a really. It. You could tell it was a sunny day. I mean, it was a sunny day. And I'm thinking, well, maybe he's looking back because they're both kind of downfield. They had to look back. I thought maybe the first one was.
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B
With the 840 left in the second quarter. Bad drop, deep ball. Looks up. Yes, it was bright. There was sun. There was all that.
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A
But. But he's not looking back at the sun. When you look at the shadow, he's looking away from the sun. Yeah.
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B
You know what he is doing? He's trying to pull it in with.
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A
His body basket it. Yeah.
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B
And I, And I made notes before in the Mississippi State tape earlier on when I was like, great job. He tracked the one, the touchdown from the left slot down the left rail. Tracked it really well. But there was still kind of like this hesitancy. And I wrote another place fighting the ball A little bit. It was almost like, is it coming? I feel like it's gonna come. And all of a sudden, Florida happened, and I'm like, here it is. They are body catchers. Almost all of them. Not all, but almost all. And they're guys who fight the ball. They're not confident. They're just not like, you know, so that. That was that drop. And then the next one was the same quarter against Florida. 48 seconds remaining, back right of the end zone, and he's got wide open. His speed's getting him wide open. Ball's on him, and it's bobble, bobble, bobble, catch. But he's now out of bounds. Yeah. So.
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A
And then the Clemson game, he had one pop off his hands that got picked and taken the other way.
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B
Yep.
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A
I mean, there was. I thought there was times he could attack it with his hands, but there was. It was just way. It was not frequent. It was rare. He doesn't look like he's comfortable or confident. I would agree with you on that. And there's other times, too, where he would make a great. He has a body control thing where he can go up and contest the situation and make an adjustment and get into the right spot, and then he can't finish. It's. It's close, and hopefully it's something he can improve on and get a. Again, the Jugs machine, get more confidence.
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B
This is why we do this. Let's get a foundation. Who is the guy now? Where can he improve?
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A
Right.
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B
So I'm pumped. I want to see the season.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I want to see what he does at Texas with Arch Manning.
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A
He was the second guy, by the way. He was the second guy I watched, and I was like, oh, okay. This guy, the way he gets off the line and the way he runs. Okay. All right. This. This kid's got a chance to be really good.
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B
So. So we're gonna see. And all eyes are on Texas this year and Arch throwing him the ball. I'm excited to see it because I. Because you got to expect improvement and, you know, he's got the right resources and everyone's working with him to get better in that area. And if he does, he's got. He's got potential, man. He. All right, so that's that. I want you to. I know you did. The USC guys take this work. So. So remaining on the list of guys, I just want to touch on. We don't have to go super deep. We've already gone 54 minutes, and we are in July. But Makai Lemon and, and Jacoby Lane from usc. Then I got some quick stuff on Singleton and Nick's Eric Singleton from Auburn and Nick harbor from South Carolina and then, and then a little bit on Elijah Surat. But let's kind of this.
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A
I'll go when we go. Lemon.
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B
Quick, real quick.
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A
Slot receiver, catches everything. I mean he is a guy who's very comfortable about with passes thrown outside his frame. He's tough over the middle, absorb contact, take hits. He is quick after the catch. He runs hard, he can make guys miss. Outstanding in the return game. Averaged 27 yards per kickoff return last year. Very when you watch him too, it's not just the speed and making guys miss thing very instinctive. Knows how to set up his blocks. He's a natural kind of a kickoff returner. I do worry he's a little tighter than I would. I would prefer in a slot receiver. I think he's tough and he's strong but he's a little bit tighter when you give him a two way go. I think he's going to be a really good player as a number four, number three receiver but I wasn't blown away.
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B
Yeah, 52 catches. Averaged almost 15 yards a catch last year. Also averaged 27 yards per kickoff return. His, his special trade is ball in his hands.
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A
Yes. That's when he's at his best.
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Speaking of which, Eric Singleton. I'm really interested to see this guy at Auburn this year. Okay. 5 10, 180 pounds. Dude, he's estimated to run like a 4 2, 5 4. Yeah, we'll see.
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That's good right?
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He's a state champion in the hundred, two hundred and four hundred meter in track. Track and field. Georgia track. Georgia Tech for two seasons. Obviously transferred this year going to, going to Auburn but he led Georgia Tech last year with 754 receiving yards, 56 catches, average 13.5, only three touchdowns. Also was productive as a freshman in 23 at 48 catches. 714 average up 15 yards of catch with six touchdowns. Known as one of Eric Singleton. Known as one of the fastest players in all of college football. Okay. Pint sized. He's a slot receiver just like you talked about Mai lemon. But he's, he's 510, 180. Lemon's like 511, 190 separates with quickness and speed. But, but I, I haven't, I want to see from and again I didn't dive in as deep as the top six seven guys but from what I'm seeing I want to see more refinement relies on speed, quickness, the offensive system. I want to see more refinement this year. Solid hands, you know, not great, but 6.1%, 61st percentile. Not a huge catch radius. But I'm really intrigued to see him in that offense With Auburn trying to turn things around this year.
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Do you want to just go ahead? As long as we're talking about our speed demons right now. You want to jump into Nick harbor because he is.
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Yeah, Harbor's interesting, man. He, like I mentioned, he, like the obvious comp is. Is DK.
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Yeah.
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66423. Estimated 43840.
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Dude, he ran a 10. 1 100. He could run in the four twos. He could.
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If he.
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He could run in the four two. I know what the estimation is and I'd be interested to see what the stats are or what the numbers are.
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1, 100. I had that.
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Yeah, yeah. He could run in the four twos at 235.
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And with that frame and that speed, you don't have to be an overly refined. Remember A.J. brown and D.K. metcalf? They were in nine routes, Bud. They were at. I'm. I'm gonna run a 9 route and it worked. And, and we. And part of the knock on those guys, like can they get in and out of breaks, all that stuff? Well, like maybe it's not the most important thing in the world when you got those traits. Runs mostly deeper routes. Harbor does. So like he's a physical phenom. He's different. You see him on tape, he takes off and it's like, whoa, what is going on? How is that giraffe faster and more agile than all these other guys were? 5, 11, 6 foot. He averaged 14 and a half. He was second on the team with 376 receiving yards last year. And what's interesting for me with Nick harbor is his drop rate. Like when you looked on pff was good. He only had one drop the thing like I saw so many times him fighting like trouble adjusting tracking the ball. So I don't know what we're calling a drop but like there were some. There was some awkward stuff on the table.
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Doesn't look natural the position yet. He played tight end in high school. I don't think he looks natural in space yet. I think it's still coming together for him.
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Very, very well put. He does not look natural in space. And I did a lot of my work on him because I'm watch. We watched like 235 clips of Lenore Seller. So I had an eye on this guy the whole time. It's obviously a huge year for Harbor.
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He shows the only guy, only guy who's ranked first on Feldman's freak list twice. I mean this is how this guy is. He's different, he's unique. But again he's, you're, you're betting on the traits. Think about it.
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He's the offensive version of what Nicki Minwari was last year for South Carolina.
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Although I would say he's not even as polished as he of war he was.
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But yeah, totally agree. But yeah, one, one last nugget of positivity. Yes, we are in July. Everyone's getting excited about college football and he could have a monster breakout year.
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And I'm hoping, love to see it.
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He had 19 catches for 325 yards and three touchdowns in his final eight games last year. He got better and better. So, so this is a guy who's learning on the fly. Still developing. You know, they played what, 13, 14 games or 13 games last year? The final eight. His production. So 19 of the 26 catches, you know, so he kept getting better. All right, so next on our list would be Kobe Lane for ufc.
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Yep. Big, big target, wide catching, radius, athletic. He had 12 touchdowns last year which was second in the Big Ten. I think he is a tough one on one matchup in the red zone because of his ability to come down with 50, 50 balls. The radius, the, the body control. He's strong, he has strong hands, all of those things. He has a catch again. He has a touchdown catch against Maryland where it's a one handed, left handed catch. I don't know if he's left handed, right handed, but I always make a note of it when it's left handed. One handed, left handed catch and he's getting ripped to the ground. I mean, it's silly. Some of the catches that he makes are, you know, jaw dropping. On the flip side, he was a late bloomer in high school. I tried to see if there was an injury or not. It didn't really play until his junior year, his junior senior year. And then last year I think he had, it was a low number of targets. 11 times last year he was targeted a total of 11 times. He feels like he's a kid that needs more reps. And you see this when you watch his route running. He's a long legged, long strider guy. When he gets the top of that route and if he really opens up that gate, it's hard for him to sink at that point and change directions. And work back to the ball. It's, you know, these are things that he's going to have to work on, on slowing down a little bit almost. He's speeding everything up and it's putting him in a tough position in terms of changing directions and really kind of tipping where he's going on those things. One of the things that ended on a positive, I will say for him that I really like is he's a good pluck and go guy for a taller guy. And what I mean by that is he can square to the, the quarterback when he gets into a window, provide that quarterback with a good target and then when he catches it and he plucks it, he is upfield immediately. He, for a bigger guy, he's got a little bit of a acceleration quickness, right.
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Transition, which is really important, man.
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Yeah, there's some things to build on for him. He's, he's actually talent wise and tool wise he's an exciting player to watch, but he's not there yet. And I think again, I think he needs more reps, I think he needs more targets. It'll be interesting to see if he's a guy who comes out this year or maybe, maybe waits another year. But there's some things that are really interesting and cool about him.
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All right, last guy, Elijah Sarat, IND 62210, not a burner, big physical receiver, does a really good job of like bodying defensive backs strong in traffic. Really good, reliable hands. All those Indiana wide receivers, man, they just caught the fricking football. Not, not sudden, not fast, but I think it's like a number, we'll call it a number four receiver in the, in the NFL. Like there, there's room for him and I'm excited. He 53 catches, 987, eight touchdowns last year. Now we got. And listen, I'm not saying Curtis Rourke was any slouch by any stretch, but now Fernando Mendoza comes in, I think his offense is going to open up a little bit. I'm excited to see what that translates for for Surratt in Indiana this year.
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Yeah, those traits make him a great fit for that system because all the RPO and his ability to just get leverage early and make plays in traffic and the toughness and all that. And I think it's, it fits for some teams in the NFL like San Francisco is a team that I think that Surat would be a good fit as a, as a number four, you know, a little bit farther down the depth chart. I like him.
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Enjoy the beaches, enjoy the mountains, enjoy the lakes, enjoy the oceans, enjoy some barbecue, definitely. Enjoy your friends and family. It's that time of year. We appreciate you being here and watching and we'll be back in next week with some more stuff. And we're get we're getting closer, men. We're getting closer. I guess I could kind of start smelling like the grass a little bit.
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And.
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Getting closer to college football. We're excited for it, but we're also excited to enjoy the rest of our summer. So we'll talk to you soon. Thank you.
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Thank you.
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