Todd’s Updated Top 32 Big Board! QBs Rise, Team Needs, and Where are the DTs?!

Summary

The McShay Show - Episode Summary: "Todd’s Updated Top 32 Big Board! QBs Rise, Team Needs, and Where are the DTs?!"

Release Date: March 6, 2025

Introduction

In this episode of The McShay Show, NFL Draft and College Football Analyst Todd McShay, alongside co-host Steve Levy, delves deep into the intricacies of the upcoming NFL Draft. The discussion centers around Todd’s updated Top 32 Big Board, emphasizing the rise of quarterbacks, the specific needs of various teams, and the surprising scarcity of defensive tackles.

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1. Chicago Bears’ Aggressive Moves and Team Needs

Todd begins by analyzing the Chicago Bears' recent trades aimed at strengthening their offensive line. The Bears traded their 2025 sixth-round pick to the Los Angeles Rams for Pro Bowl offensive guard Jonah Jackson, who brings 57 starts and versatility to play center if needed.

Todd McShay [03:22]: "The Bears have traded two offensive guards to upgrade their interior line and potentially their center position."

Steve expresses approval of the Bears' strategy to address their offensive line needs proactively.

Steve Levy [07:34]: "I think it's a great move. They're addressing their needs correctly and positioning themselves better for the draft."

The Bears are anticipated to pick 10th, with questions surrounding whether they will select running back Ashton Genti or Omarion Hampton. Todd emphasizes the importance of focusing on foundational players over flashy positions like quarterback at this stage.

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2. Todd’s Updated Top 32 Big Board

Todd introduces his updated Top 32 Big Board, categorizing players based on positions such as edge rushers, offensive tackles, running backs, wide receivers, and quarterbacks. Notably, quarterbacks like Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, and Cam Ward have risen in rankings, reflecting their improved performances and potential impact in the NFL.

Todd McShay [27:21]: "Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Mason Graham—these are the top tier for me."

Steve adds his insights, particularly highlighting the defensive tackle class, though noting Todd's rankings seem harsher on this position.

Steve Levy [31:32]: "This is the greatest defensive tackle class that we can remember, right?"

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3. Offensive Tackles vs. Edge Rushers: Drafting Strategies

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the value of drafting offensive tackles versus edge rushers. Todd advocates for prioritizing offensive tackles like Armand Membu from Missouri, citing his athleticism and potential as a key pass blocker.

Steve Levy [43:19]: "I'm taking tackle. I'm taking Armando."

Todd McShay [44:01]: "Big, athletic, extremely high ceiling, great zone blocker."

Steve counters by emphasizing the importance of building from the trenches with edge rushers, suggesting that tackles might not go as high as Todd anticipates.

Steve Levy [43:19]: "I’m taking tackle. And if you can’t do that, take the edge."

Both hosts acknowledge the complexity of balancing team needs with player potential, leading to a rich debate on draft priorities.

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4. Quarterbacks in the Draft: Rising Prospects and Team Fits

Despite initially stating that the focus would shift away from quarterbacks, Todd includes two rookie quarterbacks, Jackson Dart and Tyler Shuck, in his Top 32, sparking further discussion. Todd highlights Cam Ward as the top quarterback in his rankings, arguing for his readiness to contribute immediately.

Todd McShay [36:20]: "Cam Ward obviously has the best skill set and I think that it would be an argument, but I definitely think in a rookie season over Jackson Dart and Shador Sanders..."

Steve remains skeptical, choosing to defer the quarterback discussion for another episode.

Steve Levy [36:56]: "We're not going to talk about quarterbacks. Then you throw two in your top 32. You're just baiting me."

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5. Mock Draft Strategies and Team Scenarios

Todd and Steve engage in a mock draft exercise, assessing various teams’ needs and potential draft picks. They explore scenarios for teams like the New England Patriots, Jacksonville Jaguars, Carolina Panthers, San Francisco 49ers, Dallas Cowboys, Miami Dolphins, and Indianapolis Colts. Key points include:

• New England Patriots: Focus on offensive tackles like Armand Membu or defensive players like Jihad Campbell.

  Todd McShay [43:19]: "Explain what Membu is…This could be and should be the guy."

• Jacksonville Jaguars: Need for defensive tackles and secondary help, considering picks like Mason Graham or Travis Hunter.

  Steve Levy [49:58]: "They need to continue to build on the inside of that defensive line."

• Dallas Cowboys: Emphasis on securing offensive line through picks like Tyler Booker, addressing the departure of guard Zach Martin.

  Todd McShay [65:49]: "I think they’ve got to protect their quarterback. They’ve got to protect Dak."

• Miami Dolphins: Addressing safety and defensive tackle needs with potential picks like Kenneth Grant.

  Steve Levy [69:48]: "Kenneth Grant is tailor made for what Miami wants to do up front."

Throughout the mock draft, both hosts weigh the importance of position-specific needs against player rankings, illustrating the strategic depth involved in NFL draft decisions.

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6. Defensive Tackles: Scarcity and Value

A recurring theme is the noticeable lack of defensive tackles in the Top 32, despite strong performances from prospects like Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter. Both Todd and Steve express concern over where teams will find quality defensive linemen in the draft.

Steve Levy [34:32]: "How many did you have in the… You can’t say horror because you were bitching at me last week because..."

Todd McShay [31:25]: "I'm not hearing anything about them getting drafted in the first round…"

This scarcity underscores the competitive nature of the draft and the critical need for teams to address their interior defensive line weaknesses.

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7. Upcoming Content and Closing Thoughts

Towards the end of the episode, Todd announces upcoming content, including a Top 100 list and increased coverage as the draft approaches. He encourages listeners to subscribe to The McShay Report for comprehensive draft analysis and insights.

Todd McShay [73:49]: "We’re doing a full Top 100, walking you through our entire process…"

Both hosts express enthusiasm for continued discussions and interactive content, promising listeners valuable information as the draft date nears.

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Conclusion

In this comprehensive episode, Todd McShay and Steve Levy provide an in-depth analysis of their updated Top 32 Big Board, emphasizing strategic team needs and the evolving value of key positions like offensive tackles and quarterbacks. Their mock draft exercise offers listeners a nuanced perspective on potential team moves and draft outcomes, highlighting the complexities and critical decisions that define the NFL Draft landscape.

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Notable Quotes

• Todd McShay [03:22]: "The Bears have traded two offensive guards to upgrade their interior line and potentially their center position."

• Steve Levy [07:34]: "I think it's a great move. They're addressing their needs correctly and positioning themselves better for the draft."

• Todd McShay [27:21]: "Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Mason Graham—these are the top tier for me."

• Steve Levy [31:32]: "This is the greatest defensive tackle class that we can remember, right?"

• Todd McShay [43:19]: "Big, athletic, extremely high ceiling, great zone blocker."

• Steve Levy [43:19]: "I’m taking tackle. And if you can’t do that, take the edge."

• Todd McShay [36:20]: "Cam Ward obviously has the best skill set and I think that it would be an argument, but I definitely think in a rookie season over Jackson Dart and Shador Sanders..."

• Steve Levy [36:56]: "We're not going to talk about quarterbacks. Then you throw two in your top 32. You're just baiting me."

• Steve Levy [69:48]: "Kenneth Grant is tailor made for what Miami wants to do up front."

• Todd McShay [73:49]: "We’re doing a full Top 100, walking you through our entire process…"

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Transcript

[Todd McShay]

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[Steve Levy]

Oh boy, here come those combine overreactions.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, probably. And we're using it to sort out what the non quarterback market teams are looking to accomplish at the top of the NFL Draft. Just 49 days until that NFL draft is here. You good men?

[Steve Levy]

I'm good, man.

[Todd McShay]

Music please. All right, so here we are. The dust is settled. Post combine, right? Kind of inputted all the numbers, all the stories, all the intels here and now it's kind of that feeling, right, Chef, you're looking at your phone all the time trying to figure out what's coming next. It's kind of the calm before the storm with free agency coming next week. Already had a little bit of movement though, and it's not surprising. I love the aggressiveness. I'm definitely interested in getting your take, Steve. The Bears go out and they make two, two huge additions along the offensive line. They needed to upgrade the offensive line, the interior, probably more than even the offensive tackle position. So in a 24 hour span, the Bears have now agreed to trade the 2025 six round pick to the Rams for Jonah Jackson, who By the way, 57 starts, if you don't remember. I know a lot of people don't like get into the weeds with offensive guards in the NFL and it's understandable. But 57 starts for Ben Johnson in Detroit, don't forget about that. Right. And you know, Pro bowl in 2021. Some experience at center too, in case they need to utilize his versatility.

[Steve Levy]

Which is interesting. That. Yep. Because they, they need some help there too.

[Todd McShay]

Yep. Because Coleman Shelton is a, is a ufa. So. And we'll see how that plays out. And they also a 20, 26 4th round pick. The Chiefs for Joe Tuni obviously love that one. Yeah. Started his career. The Patriots did a lot of winning. Chiefs did a lot of winning. I'm a guard. Yeah. We need you to kick out to tackle. Yeah, I'll do that. The leadership is unparalleled in what he brings in terms of experience. Okay. So this is a guy who's not only going to upgrade the position, he's going to upgrade the room.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

So absolutely. So with that and I want to get your kind of initial thoughts and take. But we're always kind of spinning forward to the draft. What does this mean? Personnel building rosters. The Bears are obviously like they're going all out to protect their, their asset. They did it with their head coach, one of the brilliant minds and offensive minds in the NFL bringing in Ben Johnson. They've now done it with two trades before free agency started. Wanting to get ahead of the curve, bring in a couple guys who are veterans who can plug in. They know exactly what they're getting. So it picked 10. Is this Ashton Genty, Boise State running back? Is this Omarion Hampton, UNC running back or running back?

[Steve Levy]

Hype is real or are they looking.

[Todd McShay]

At it like, like we've talked about for months now, trying to explain to our audience over and over again. And thank you, by the way, for joining us. We appreciate like, I love this time of year, you know, and I, I, we love the combine. We love all the numbers, we love the updated rankings. Going to get to My updated top 32. Mitchell, have a little fun with that. I probably overreacted here, there and you can point out where you think I did and oftentimes you're right. But not always. But, but now we start to get in. Like we kind of know the, the players that are going to be drafted. Not exactly where we haven't finished our board, but we've got a sense of the players so let's utilize that where we are in the process to take a look before we get into free agency with so much time is spent on the quarterbacks. We spent a lot of time last last show on Shador Sanders, the interview, you know, intel that I was getting Cam Ward, how he's clearly the top quarterback. Some of the second tier quarterbacks like the, the Jackson Dart and Tyler Shuck and even Will Howard to a lesser degree. So, so with all that kind of pushed aside, we get a really good draft draft class at a lot of other positions loaded interior defensive line, lot of good edge rushers. The running backs are phenomenal. Some, some good wide receivers, some good tight end. So like there, I feel like now's a really good time to give some attention to the other teams that aren't in the quarterback market. And that doesn't mean that the, the Titans, the Browns, the, the Giants at 3, the Raiders at 6, the jets at 7, the Saints at 9, they're all going to go quarterback. Like we know that that's not the case. One, definitely, maybe probably two in that top 10. But for the teams that we haven't been talking about a lot that aren't looking quarterback, I really want to hone in on that today. But it starts with the Bears because they're the ones making the headlines today. And I think it's important to take a look at their situation from your perspective. What are your thoughts with these two moves right off the top?

[Steve Levy]

I love it. I mean he was. Caleb Williams was sacked a league high six to eight times last year and some of that's on him. Don't get me wrong, that's not all on the offensive line. But obviously changes had to be made. It was the interior offensive line more than the offensive tackles. So I mean what I think great GMs address needs in free agency and get value in the draft. That's what I think they do. You try to fill your needs or you know, address those needs in free agency. So when you get draft you let play the way it unfolds, you can play the board. So to me it's great and it may not listen, I get it. It's two offensive guards. If you're a Bears fan, you might, you know, you're like, yeah, whatever. It's two guards and they spent a little.

[Todd McShay]

I don't know though, man. If you're a Bears fan and you're really hardcore Bears fan, you're like, you should love this goodness, right?

[Steve Levy]

You should, you should love it. I think it's a I think it's a great move. I don't think they overspent to do it. I think it's it all around your addressing needs and you're doing it in the correct way and now you're in a better position to, to, to be in a, to make the most of the draft.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. And, and I look at it right and I'm going to keep going back. I got all sorts of screens going on here. I'm not ignoring anyone. I'm not ignoring the audience. Thank you again for, for watching on YouTube, watching on Spotify, listening on Spotify and listening to, to the podcast where wherever you get your podcasts and, and you'll see like I'm not going to list all 32 players in the top 32. So there is some incentive and it's, it's not done for the incentive of tuning into YouTube or, or to Spotify in the video portion of it, but it's done for the incentive of not boring the listeners as I rip off 32 names, positions and schools. But we'll get to that in a minute with the Bears. I'm glad you mentioned offensive tackle not being quite as big an upgrade need. Right.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Remember they, they did spend a 23rd, 2023 first round pick on Darnell Wright. Right. He's been a better run blocker than Pat in pass protection, but he's played okay. He hasn't been great. He's played. I don't think they're looking to upgrade that spot right now at right tackle.

[Steve Levy]

No, I agree.

[Todd McShay]

The interesting one is Braxton Jones who's, who's also been better as a run blocker than he has, has been in pass protection, has had some penalties. It's gave up five sacks. I think it was a year ago. I think it was seven penalties.

[Steve Levy]

So like, and he's going into his contract here just so to be, to be aware of that as well.

[Todd McShay]

Right. So, so I wonder now center you mentioned, right. And Shelton. Shelton Coleman Shelton is a unrestricted free agent. So is this, are these two of three moves that we're going to see in terms of veterans that come in? I, you know, I've read a little bit about, about like a Ronnie Stanley. Stanley coming in.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. I can't believe they're going to let him get out of Baltimore. I will, I have a hard time believing that.

[Todd McShay]

I, I, I agree with that too. So I guess the mindset is if they're, if they, if they locate or identify a, an upgrade at tackle, that move would be Made if it's something reasonable that they can afford to do. They were fifth in the league prior to the last 24 hours. Okay, fifth in the league in terms of cap space. Now obviously that number is going to be reduced with the money they just spent there, but still have it an awful lot of of cap space to play around with during free agency. So it'll be interesting to see what they do. Are they going to try to get an upgrade at center? Where are they going to move there? Is there a tackle they view as an upgrade? Are they going to draft one? Maybe. If not at 10, if not at 10, don't forget this too very important. And Bears fans know this. They pick at 10, but they also pick at 39 because of that Carolina pick. The trade that they made, I should say. Right. Still getting some, some draft collateral for that for the Bryce young and at 41, their original pick. So they've got three picks in the top 41. Okay, so we'll get in. We can kind of get into the offensive tackle class a little bit. But at 10 you got Ben Johnson, right?

[Steve Levy]

Here we go. I can see the winds, the wheels spinning.

[Todd McShay]

It's kind of the first thing that everyone thought. Where. Because. Because the question has been this, right? And I'm looking at my top 32 here. The question has been this all along. All right. Ashton Genti's so damn good. We've got him. I've got him at 4. I'm so used to saying we, we've separate boards now matches his own entity. I'm gonna steal him back one day, I promise. But he's currently his own entity. I've got him at 4 overall behind Abdul Carter for Penn State. Travis Hunter, Colorado. Mason Graham. Michigan got him just ahead of Tyler Warren, tight end, Penn State. But where's he going to go? He's fourth best player. He's a running back. Where's he gonna go? We got all these teams that need quarterbacks. We get some teams that need offensive tackle and edge rusher. We can identify a couple teams that need a tight end. But it's hard to identify a team in the top 15 outside of Dallas, which kind of the reports are now the Dallas. And we're not gonna, we're not gonna go running.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

And history has shown they like, they'll, they'll ignore that man. So where, where's Ashton Genti gonna go? So I think the like all the people who have draft on their mind when they saw this move because all along is like they're gonna go Offensive line at pick 10. Still could if, if Membu's sitting there. Right. And a preview. I've got him as 11 overall. Top offensive lineman in my updated top 32. We'll pull that out in a minute. Let's wait a minute. We'll pull that out, but I've got him at 11 ahead, a few spots ahead of Will Campbell, who's at 14. Okay, well, you say there's no chance he's there. That's fine. Maybe he's, maybe he's not. But, but I'm, I'm more interested in. Does this now become. Because to me their needs. Offensive tackle is in there. Yeah, but I think it's more edge. You got Montez Sweat, but Jacob Martin, right.

[Steve Levy]

Sweat had five and a half sacks last year and led the team in sacks. Yeah, they need an edge, right? Definitely.

[Todd McShay]

They need an edge. Okay, so you're picking at 10 and we can get to who the guys are there, but we know Abdul Carter is going to be gone. I think Jalen Walker is going to be gone.

[Steve Levy]

I think they'd love to get a Jalen Walker, but I, I think you're right.

[Todd McShay]

I think he's probably. They pick after Carolina, they pick after the Saints, and we'll get to those teams in a little bit. So I just have a hard time believing that Walker's still going to be there. So now it's Mikel Williams. I love James Pierce. There's some stuff.

[Steve Levy]

Oh, you think Walker's going before Williams?

[Todd McShay]

I think, yeah. Yeah.

[Steve Levy]

Interesting.

[Todd McShay]

I'm, I mean, we got, we got all time in the world to debate. I'm just saying.

[Steve Levy]

So when. The only reason I say that is when you say that Walker's gone. In my mind, Williams is ahead of Walker. So if Walker's gone, Williams is gone, too. That's, that's why I asked you because I wanted to know who you think is still. Who are the chess pieces still on the board in terms of the edges?

[Todd McShay]

Okay, so edge is a, is a possibility there. Let's, let's not rule it out because it could be Michael Williams, could be Jalen Walker. I think there's a drop off because of some of the, the, the, the baggage. When you're top drafting in the top 10, you want, you want that stuff to be clean. And I think with, with James Pierce and with Mike Green from Marshall, Pierce from Tennessee, the two edge rushers, I don't know that it's perfectly clean. Let's just leave it at that for right now. And, and then I Look at like, you know, Shemar Stewart from Texas A and M clean. But the production's not there. It's again top 10 pick. So that's. That part's a drink. So edge, potentially offensive tackle, running back and wide receiver. There's nobody in this class it's worth that pick. And if you're a Tet McMillan guy then, then fine. And maybe they, they think that's the case. They've got a Dunes, a DJ Moore, Keenan Allen. Allen's a UFA unrestricted free agent.

[Steve Levy]

All three were first round need. It's not a first round.

[Todd McShay]

I, I agree. I'm just giving information here. Yeah. All three though under 57 receiving yards per game last year. Keenan Allen's a UFA Roma Dunes a trending towards, with better quarterback play, better protection, another year of experience trending towards, you know, kind of ascending and having a good career. So to me it kind of is edge. If Membu's there and they're in love with them, you take them. But I think this relieves them. As you said, Ryan Pohl's the general manager. I think this relieves him of like I have to.

[Steve Levy]

Maybe.

[Todd McShay]

Unless. Unless you believe Memboo is a right tackle. Right.

[Steve Levy]

You just want.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, I, I just, I don't.

[Steve Levy]

He plays on the left and unbalanced looks, but not, I mean not, not long term. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

So it really is edge and running back for Chicago in my opinion. Unless some, unless just a great player at a different position falls that we don't expect like a Mason Graham fall, you know. So this would be an interesting spot for Ben Johnson. That offense, the production they get from running back, if they're able to spread things out and throw the ball that they, the way that they, they were in Detroit. I'm not saying it's going to happen next year because it ain't. But if it, if it starts to move towards that, there's a lot of value in that running back position. And, and, and both of the guys at the top can catch the ball. Ginty and him.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Both of these guys are three down backs. Now that's different than Detroit where it was one guy. You've got Deandre Swift, you got Roshan Johnson. So you don't have to, you don't have to like drown these guys in carries and touches early on because you're not winning a Super bowl in 20, 25. So let's.

[Steve Levy]

Nope.

[Todd McShay]

Let's get them in the system. Let's get production out of them. Let's build this thing. But Our. The focus Is shifted towards 20, 26 in terms of, like, when. When we think we have a chance to really start being serious contenders. Right. That's got to be the mindset.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Thoughts?

[Steve Levy]

Who are you taking? I want to know who you would take. What I want to know. I'll tell you. I'll tell you right now what I would do, and that's take the offensive tackle. And I think offensive tackles are going to get pushed up in terms of value. It might be a Josh Simmons, it might be a Kelvin Banks. I don't care.

[Todd McShay]

I'm building. Josh Simmons ain't going 10.

[Steve Levy]

I. Probably not.

[Todd McShay]

Kelvin Simmons ain't going 10. I've talked to a lot of people in the league. He ain't going 10.

[Steve Levy]

Entertain trading back. And if you can't do that, take the edge. That falls to you. If you're not comfortable with the offensive tackle there, take the edge. I'm saying it. As I've said before, you got to build your trenches first. And to me, you could talk about what Ben Johnson had in that backfield in Detroit, and you could also talk about what he had in that front five. I mean, that offensive line in Detroit's pretty damn good. So I. I love the. I get it. It's. It's entertaining. And I would. I would be. It would not bother me at all if they took Genti and those two backs and what they could do and Ben Johnson, watching him do his thing, really cool. I don't think that's how you build championship teams. They're not a player away from championship. I don't. Again, I've said this about other players. Genti is a luxury that the Bears cannot afford right now. They need players up front. And if you don't like Simmons, if you don't like Banks, I get it. Try to trade back. That's kind of like everyone wants to do that. Try to trade back or take the edge. They need an edge.

[Todd McShay]

Build.

[Steve Levy]

Build from the trenches out. That's how I feel. Who would you take?

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, no, I'm just. I was just pulling up real quickly like Detroit that. The two. The. The two previous years. Years prior to the Jameer Gibbs, which was a luxury pick, and the Sam LaPorta with the third pick in the second round, 34. Jack Campbell wedged in between at 18 at linebacker, Brian Branch at 45. Those were pieces with the foundation already set right. And the previous two years was. Was Aiden Hutchinson first overall pick. Now they brought in Jameson Williams, knowing he wasn't going to provide anything As a rookie. But, but, but down the line, that was almost. That was a pit we knew at the time in 2022. That was a pick for 2023.

[Steve Levy]

Great.

[Todd McShay]

Right. Go back to 2021. It was pan Se Anzari.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Josh Pascal. And. And Josh Pascal was the third round pick in 2022. So it was. It was a bunch of foundation pieces. 2021, 2022. They had the team then. And then it was. I don't call them luxury picks, but it was. All right, now we've built that foundation. Let's. Let's put us, you know, let's put a skylight in. Let's. Right, yeah, right.

[Steve Levy]

Let's do water feature.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, Yeah. A roof. Are you taking a crow's nest? Who's on the board at edge?

[Steve Levy]

I thought Walker might be there. You think he's gone?

[Todd McShay]

I do, I do. And it's a good way to transition. I want to get to these other teams. I do. I think Walker's gone.

[Steve Levy]

Okay. If Mike hell's there, I'm fine with that, too. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

I've got him down 15. But I mean, I love these backs, man.

[Steve Levy]

I know. Listen, I love them too.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. But I can get. But I can get another one. I'm. I hear you. You're the voice of reason.

[Steve Levy]

Siren song, man. They're just like bringing you to the rocks. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

I can't sit here and. And moan about teams and why don't they get it and you get your quarterback, build the foundation. Get me defensive lineman. Get me offensive tackles. You're right. You're right. But it's sexy, though. It's sexy as hell, isn't it?

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. And they're fun.

[Todd McShay]

Veteran offensive interior lineman. I get the star quarterback. I got Ben Johnson. What he did with Jamir Gibbs. It's sexy as hell, right?

[Steve Levy]

It is. I agree.

[Todd McShay]

But that's why we talk.

[Steve Levy]

Stay the course, man.

[Todd McShay]

Because. Because, yeah, if. If you get a Mikel Williams here. But what if Mikel, Jalen and Memboo are all gone? Because that's a legitimate scenario and we're going to get into that in a second because I think that's.

[Steve Levy]

It is a legitimate scenario, truly.

[Todd McShay]

Then what?

[Steve Levy]

Then it gets interesting.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, but I still think.

[Steve Levy]

I think a Banks is going to move up. I just think that those guys, like.

[Todd McShay]

I don't.

[Steve Levy]

I listen, I don't know. I think a Banks. A guy like Banks is going to move up, address that offensive line, continue to build that offensive line.

[Todd McShay]

Okay. It's fascinating. That's why I Wanted to do it. But picks 39, 41, like, is just take 30 seconds here. And this is why you do the combo. Like, I am the biggest believer and I talk to GMs all the time. You got to look at it as in a combo pick scenario. And you're not. You're certainly not going to take a player who's in a lower tier, a lower bracket, a lower, you know, a lower bucket, whatever you call it. But if they're in that same bucket and have similar grades and you look and say, all right, members here or Mikel's here, What am I getting at that position when I get down to 39 and my board says Membu's gone, Will Campbell's gone. Talking offensive tackles, Kelvin Banks is gone.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Josh Simmons is gone. I think later than people think. So now we're looking at Josh Connerly, potentially, if he's still there at 39. You know what I mean? I mean, that's versus. Versus. Yeah. I get Ashton Jinty and. And I'm hoping that Connerly's there because after that there's a bigger drop off there. But if I go offensive tackle here, if I go edge here at 39, I might probably not Travion Henderson, but Quinn, Sean Judkins, you know what I mean? Or 41.

[Steve Levy]

Pick one. Pick one.

[Todd McShay]

There's Caleb Johnson from Iowa.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

And even Caleb Johnson, even at edge, I feel like, you know, there's still some guys at edge.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

You know, Femioladejo from UCLA is going to be available. Nick Scorton, Texas A and M. Braden Swenson, lsu. So, like, yeah, I think. I think there's a lot of combo stuff that you got to do there.

[Steve Levy]

Right, I agree.

[Todd McShay]

All right. I mentioned the top 32. We're just. We're just going to do it here for these purposes, we gotta. By the way, looking ahead, this is Thursday's podcast every week, if you're joining us. We appreciate all your support. Stick with us here. I mean, we got. What did I say? 49 days until the draft match. This is Thursdays, every Monday, every Monday afternoon, every Thursday, first thing in the morning. You can count on us. There's going to be additional ones. There's going to be additional ones. As we get closer to the draft, there's going to be some emergency times that we got to pop on FlashPod. Right. Just like a flashback FlashPod. That'll be the best, because stuff's going to happen. And this is my office. I watch my tape there. Got all my screens There. Same for you. We'll jump in, we'll. We'll yell out to Tucker, get the bat phone. Connor, Dan, Eduardo, Mark. We'll get everyone involved, make some calls. And it might be a skeleton crew, might be you and I plugging in some things. But, but those are the dates. You can rely on us on Monday. We're gonna, we're gonna get into some free agency stuff. What's happened between now and then? And then. And then we're gonna talk mock draft. It's per. It's coming soon. There's discussion here and I'm interested. What do you guys think? Audience, shoot us a note, right? Do we do the mock draft right, Right. As free agency starting next, next Thursday, or do we push it back the following week once the dust is settled? I'm up for anything, but I need a mock you. I spent like five, seven years being like, oh, more mocks. Kuiper's making up more mocks, scenarios, mocks, and three round Snake league mocks. All this stuff he's making up. But, but like, I just, I feel an itch now because. Because so much has changed from Mach 1.0 based off the combine. Right now we're starting to see some movement, but. But we're going to push it off probably to the following week, but it could be next Thursday. We'll let you know on Monday when we're back. But for now, and maybe you know what, let's do the top 100 next week. That's what we're going to do. All the dust will set will be settled. We'll go through the top 100, get the board set so that when we roll out the mock, we know, we know what players we're dealing with. And then we'll give free agency a little bit of time to breathe. I love when we just like this is like show meeting on air, right?

[Steve Levy]

Figured out.

[Todd McShay]

So that's what we're gonna do. So let's take a look at the top 32. I want you to study this match. This is new to you. I know.

[Steve Levy]

Here we go.

[Todd McShay]

I think we broke it up. Tucker broke it up into 16s. There we go. Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, Hunter Mason, Graham edge corner interior defense, defensive line. Those. That's the top tier for me. Next tier is Ashton Jente at running back. Tyler Warren, tight end Jalen Walker, as I mentioned, and, And Cam Ward, Jade Baron, cornerback, Texas. Colston Loveland, the second tight end, Omarion Hampton the second running back. That's my top 10.

[Steve Levy]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

Right after that, I already mentioned the two offensive tackles. Membu from Missouri, Campbell from LSU, 10 and 14 respectively. Tyler Booker at 12. Guard Kenneth Grant, the other Michigan defensive tackle, 13 Mikel is there 15 feels a little low now that I'm looking.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah, but.

[Todd McShay]

But still developing. I don't know. We'll sort it all out, but this is a good gauge. And then at the bottom of the top 16 Shador Sanders, Colorado, the next 16. Let's roll it out. You're going to be interested in this one. Your boy, your board boy. Nick Eamon worry. South Carolina safety. Listen DBs and wide receivers, they move more than any other positions. Combine workouts what I saw from Eamon Warrior I've seen a couple other times where I was just floored. Absolutely floored. When you put up those numbers at £220 do something that, that only a handful of guys or no other guys have ever done over £200. And the. What was the vertical jump, the broad jump, the 40 yard dash and combine it with. With really good, not perfect, but really good tape and versatility. Eamon War is probably the biggest riser up to 18. Got Jihad Campbell and. And Will Johnson bracketing them. Matthew Golden I mentioned There's a new OT one and that was memboo you saw in the first flip. Here you go in the second screen. Matthew Golden, WR1. Then we get a bunch of edges. I mentioned Shemar Stewart, James Pierce, Mike Green. Another player really moving up conversations intel about the character, about the way like the way he plays and also the just fastest guy at the 40, fastest guy at the combine with his 40 yard dash. 428 Maxwell Harrison Hairston, Kentucky. Couple more, one more offensive tackle, Kelvin Banks. We get a wide receiver run right there. Four more wide receivers. This is where I think they're going to go. Mench five wide receivers from 20 to 32 starting with with golden and then Tet McMillan at 26 Abuka from Ohio State. 27 Higgins Jaden Higgins, Iowa State. I need, I needed an excuse to get the Iowa State wide receivers in the first round. They gave me one big tall physical receiver. Great at getting off of press. Runs really good routes and ran and ran the 40 time and had the jumps. Jalen Noel, undersized slot receiver extraordinaire. Routes are exceptional ball skills exceptional. I needed an excuse. He gave me one. He's a 31 overall. And the two biggest surprises I think to you will be I got two more quarterbacks in the top 32. Screw it. Screw it. Honest to God. I just, I like these Guys. And if you tell me there's a chance that they can be a solid, solid, pretty good starter in the NFL at quarterback, I don't have a problem throwing them up there. Jackson dart, Ole Miss, Tyler shuck, Louisville.

[Steve Levy]

Have protecting your own. I. Listen, man, this is the greatest defensive tackle class that we can remember, right? Where are they? How many did you have in the.

[Todd McShay]

How many? It's deep.

[Steve Levy]

How many did you have in the top 30?

[Todd McShay]

2.

[Steve Levy]

2.

[Todd McShay]

2.

[Steve Levy]

What are we doing? We're gonna throw in. I love Jaylen Nolan.

[Todd McShay]

Walter Nolan might not go as high as. As people think.

[Steve Levy]

I've heard that too.

[Todd McShay]

Okay. But Darius Alexander's early second for me. Tyik Williams, Alfred Collins, TJ Sanders. Derek Harmon. Derek Harmon. I had read. I thought you were gonna like the Derek Harmon. I got him at 33.

[Steve Levy]

Dude, you're missing some defensive tackles. Jaylen Knowles, Jaylen Noel, who I love, is a slot receiver.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. So is Lad.

[Steve Levy]

Reaction.

[Todd McShay]

So is Lad.

[Steve Levy]

I. You think Jaylen, you think that he has the same kind of tape as Lad? Lad Monkey.

[Todd McShay]

I don't think the tape's that far off, bro.

[Steve Levy]

Interesting. Did that fair then? That's fine by me.

[Todd McShay]

I hear you.

[Steve Levy]

That's fine. I think Lad was a better prospect slightly.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. But it also was a class that was a lot deeper too.

[Steve Levy]

A mecca.

[Todd McShay]

Great receiver. He was drafted too late. What was lad? 26. 20.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

And he was drafted too late. I had Lad last year in the. In my top 25 and I made a decision with Ladd and Ricky Pearsall. I've just decided, like, I feel like for so long it was like, well, they don't fit the mold and they're not the true number one and all that. And then guys would come out and they'd be second, third round picks and they'd go on to have unbelievable rookie years and careers. Like, why am I always. I just. I had this epiphany last year. If you love them, if their tape's phenomenal, and if.

[Steve Levy]

And.

[Todd McShay]

And then allow them the opportunity to earn that spot somewhere in the top 32, 35. One of these fringe guys, they've always been like, fringe guys. We'll put them early in the second and those guys wind up going to have better careers than guys drafted like 12 or 10. All these fringe guys, I've always kept them out looking in. Last year I was like, come on in, lad, Come on in. You belong here. But. But I remember distinctly. But I'm going to give him an opportunity. Let's see, what if the workout's as good as I think based off the tape and it was. And it's the same with Higgins and it's the same with Noel and I get a slot receiver but I'm going to play him at Z. Like tell me he can't run routes on the outside. Tell him we can't. I don't know.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah, I like, we'll see. I think I, I think he's again great second round receiver. Which second round receivers have had a lot of success in the league. You know, there's no doubt about it. I thought you're, you were high on some of the receivers. Kelvin Banks is 25th best player in this, in this draft. Now the offensive tackles, it feels like you're brutal on the defensive tackles you felt it feels like you're brutal on not.

[Todd McShay]

Who's your third defensive tackle that belongs in the top 32? You can't say. I've got you in a bind now because you can't say horror because you were bitching at me last week because.

[Steve Levy]

I said Nolan, it's Nolan and Grant, it's Graham Nolan, Grant. I think TJ Sanders is up there. I think that dude. I think Tylee Williams is absolutely on the fringe of being a first round guy. I think he probably goes in the second. I understand that but I'm not worried about. I don't do mock draft top 32s like some people. I'm not saying you do. I'm just saying that I don't. I do the top 32 players in the draft and just as all of a sudden because Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck might get drafted in the first round. There they are. Oh, I don't, I'm not hearing, I understand.

[Todd McShay]

I'm not hearing anything about them getting drafted in the first round. I'm not, I'm just busting.

[Steve Levy]

I'm just giving you a hard time.

[Todd McShay]

And I recognize a little high on him.

[Steve Levy]

Top 32 players in this draft.

[Todd McShay]

But if, if, if. I think there's a really good chance that Tyler Schuck can be a starter and a pretty good one in the league and that the injuries were broken bones in their flukes and, and that he has a maturity about him and a chip on his shoulder and he's going to come in ready to contribute. Whether that's as a backup who's going to help in the room but get his ass ready to play or something happens and he's. And he winds up being able to like of all these quarterbacks, I promise you, if you were to say, Todd, there's a three game stretch in the middle of 20, 25. Pick one of these rookie quarterbacks that you believe is most ready to come in and play. Which one is it to me? I'm gonna, I'm gonna. No, Todd.

[Steve Levy]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

That's love, Todd. Yeah, exactly. Cam Ward obviously has the, the best skill set and, and I think that it would be an argument, but I definitely think in a rookie season over Jackson Dart and Shador Sanders, I'm trusting Chuck Moore, so why wouldn't I have him in the top 32?

[Steve Levy]

I'm not taking the bait. You know what? This is you baiting me. We came in today and we're talking about, about quarterback. We're not going to talk about quarterbacks. Then you throw two in your top 32. You're just baiting me. Baiting me to talk about these quarterbacks. And I'm not, I'm not doing it. We're going to save it for another day.

[Todd McShay]

So let's move on. As our coaches used to say at Richmond.

[Steve Levy]

Riverside.

[Todd McShay]

Riverside. Move the drill. Someone's injured. Who cares? Move the drill.

[Steve Levy]

I can't believe I took the bait.

[Todd McShay]

Keep practice going. Riverside a man. All right, so let's get back to it. We've talked a lot about Tennessee, their options and where they're going. I think absolutely, it comes down to a few things. I think. Is Abdul Carter that quote unquote generational talent, is he going to be a double digit sack guy just about every year? Is he going to be what you build the defense around? If you think so, you stay, stay at one, you take him. Is Travis Hunter the generational talent? Do you have a plan where you can utilize his unbelievable skill set, his ability to get his hands on that football and do something with that football in his hands? If you think that's the guy, you stay at one, take him. Is Cam Ward so good that you draft him at 1? Why is Cleveland, according to Adam Schefter, so determined and so pleased with cam ward at 2, but they're not at 1. Interesting, right?

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Regardless, there's quarterback talk surrounding the Titans. There's all sorts of quarterback talks surrounding Cleveland. There's quarterback talk just coming out of the pores. The New York Giants, whether it's Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rogers, Sam Darnold, Shador Sanders moving up for Cam Ward. That's all the talk.

[Steve Levy]

Quarterbacks again, here we go.

[Todd McShay]

So let's. So let's get to pick four. They've got their quarterback. Great. May. We've spent a Lot of time talking. You get your quarterback now let's get foundation pieces. What do you pick? 4 and 38. I want to do this combo pick as we go throughout. We're going to do the Patriots at 4, the Jaguars at that at 5. We're going to get down. We're going to go past the Raiders and the Jets. We've talked an awful lot about those two organizations with quarterback needs. We're going to go to Carolina at 8. We're going to go to New Orleans at 9. I don't think they're going quarterback in the first round. And then we're going to go. We're going to skip Chicago. We just covered Chicago top to bottom. Then we'll. We'll see how far we get in this. But I'd like to get at least down to. The goal is Atlanta at 15, but I definitely worked San Francisco at 11, Dallas at 12, Miami at 13, Indianapolis at 14, Atlanta 15. Okay, so let's start with New England. They pick at 4 and they pick at 38. We know they got a lot. I mean, I was looking at their roster today, man, it's a mess. You could argue it may not be the least talented roster, but it's right there. Like offensive tackle, you got low, DeMontre, Jacobs, wide receivers, Demario Douglas, Kendrick, Bourne, Booty.

[Steve Levy]

I like Pop Douglas. He's just a three.

[Todd McShay]

Polk and Baker. Yeah, yeah, Pop Douglas. Yeah, but he's their one.

[Steve Levy]

I know, I know. That's crazy.

[Todd McShay]

Okay, defensive tackle, defensive tackle, Barrymore. The blood clots expected back. But like, that's the end of last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying, yeah. Concern Diedrich, wide wise, keon white, Jennings. 12 1/2 sacks between those three. At edge. Need more. Just need more.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. Every Patriots fan is like, yeah, we know we suck who we take.

[Todd McShay]

No, but, but, but, but that. Now I'm handing it to you men. You're picking at four. Let's do. For the sake of this argument, I'm going to. I'm going to cross guys off and let's say Abdul Carter goes one, okay. And if he doesn't, he's probably going to go two or three. Wherever Ward doesn't go, Carter's next up in my mind. Or, or, or goes just before I could agree more. Carter's gone. Cam Ward's gone. The interesting part is, is it Shador at 3 if, if no one trades out? Is it. Is it Abdul Carter 1, Cam Ward 2, and then the Giants take Shador at 3?

[Steve Levy]

Let's play it that way just because that gives us more position players to play with.

[Todd McShay]

Wonderful. All right, so now you're sitting at four. Now you're sitting at four. You got Travis Hunter, you got Mason Graham, New England Patriots. Honest to God, I. I think it would come down to those two guys.

[Steve Levy]

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[Steve Levy]

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[Todd McShay]

McDonald's hot crispy fries right as they're being scooped into the carton? And time just stands still.

[Steve Levy]

I'm taking tackle. I'm taking Armando.

[Todd McShay]

Okay.

[Steve Levy]

You could say it's a reach. You got him at 11. You got him 11 overall right now, right?

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. And I could have gone higher, to be honest.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

I could have. I promise.

[Steve Levy]

Ascending player, positional value, guy who had a great workout at the combine. I just, I don't know. It's not that much of a reach for me. And they are. They are desperately looking for the reason to pull a trigger on offensive tackle.

[Todd McShay]

Explain. Explain to listeners and viewers what he is. I could do it, but I love getting your analysis on offensive. Forget the numbers. I'll give you. I'll back it up with the numbers. Because the numbers are surprising based off the tape that we've studied together and you've studied independently from me and vice versa. But when we're talking about Membo, because now, now we're talking about him. All right. Like this is. This could be and should be the guy. We haven't done that a lot. We've talked about memo Big guy, 333 pounds. Tell give a again elevator pitch. If you, if you got 30 seconds with the GM on the elevator, you're trying to explain to him why we should take Armand Membu coming out of Missouri. What, what is it?

[Steve Levy]

Big, athletic, extremely high ceiling, great zone blocker. His ability to seal the edge and climb to the second level is unique for a player with that size. Maybe not a finished product as a pass, blocker, but it has every, every tool in the toolbox to be an elite pass blocker at the NFL level.

[Todd McShay]

Starting right tackle though, right? Correct.

[Steve Levy]

They don't. They need both, so who cares? Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Okay. And to back that up, just so people understand, because all the talk was and and may still be. I, I don't want to like, it's not like he's got short arms. So he's not going to be the first offensive tackle. Like he very well could be. But Campbell was, was just under 6, 63 19, so a little taller, but 14 pounds less or 13 pounds lighter than 600. 464 and a quarter for membu and 33 and sorry, 332 pounds. But what membu did. Well, like again, Campbell's workout was awesome. He ran a four nine eight in the 40 yard dash. He had a 32 inch vertical nine. Five broad. Like those numbers sub 5 sec. And you know what's funny? I don't know that everyone knows this. The correlation to success in the NFL. The 40 yard dash correlates more with an offensive tackle running a sub 45 than it does with a, with a wide receiver running a sub sub five. Yeah, but yeah, sorry, a sub five second 40 than it does a wide receiver running a sub 44. No weird, but it does, it shows the lower body explosion. I, I think is part of it. You combine that with the jumps. So, so with Membu, he ran a 491 compared to that 498 at 13 more pounds that he's carrying. And it also had a 9, 7 compared to the 9, 5 vertical or abroad and a 34 instead of 32. So you're talking bigger, more explosive and about an inch long. Longer arms.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah, guys like that are tough to find, man. Offensive tackles are tough. Do I Wish he had 34 and a half inch arms? Yeah, sure. I wish that for all the offensive tackles we're evaluating. But guy like that's tough to find and they, they desperately need help along the offensive line. I mean they are desperate for help on me offensive line and I'm not sure who they're getting in the free Asian market. I don't know who they're going to get. They need to find a way to get an offensive tackle and I don't think he's that much of a reach there. I'm taking him.

[Todd McShay]

I don't totally disagree with you, man.

[Steve Levy]

I think Will Campbell there. If you thought Will Campbell could go there, I don't understand why you.

[Todd McShay]

Mason Graham's a tremendous player.

[Steve Levy]

Awesome player. Love me.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. But if Baron Moore is healthy. Yeah. Jaylen Walker, if you've got that high of a grade on him. But. But you're still. There's some risk there as an off the ball linebacker. Hybrid edge.

[Steve Levy]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. I don't disagree. I can't get them bored, man. Like people are. Are like dogs with bones with Ted McMillan and I get it. Braves came out and said I need a big physical ex. I need a, you know, someone who's going to be a dog and all that. Yeah, you do.

[Steve Levy]

That ain't him.

[Todd McShay]

That ain't him. To me. Maybe some other people. Really athletic, long acrobatic catches. Adjust beautifully. You can get down. Hell no.

[Steve Levy]

Hell no. I'm not taking any of these receivers at four. Just to be clear.

[Todd McShay]

I'm not taking any of these receivers in the top. At least 10, probably 15.

[Steve Levy]

Agree.

[Todd McShay]

And I love Matthew golden and I see the ability with. With T.E. mcMillan. But I think the free agency market's going to be fascinating because there's a lot of big name guys and there's a lot of pretty good players. Christian Kirk is. Is probably going to. Is. Is going to be released. As the information that came out on Wednesday.

[Steve Levy]

DK Metcalf might be on the move.

[Todd McShay]

Metcalf could be on the move. I mean Devonte Adams released. I mean there's a. And. And the list goes on and on. Brandon Iuk. I've heard rumors now. Yeah, that's too New England.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah, they might.

[Todd McShay]

Patriot been trying for over a year to land a receiver. I get it. The weather's not great up here in the taxes suck. Like.

[Steve Levy]

Come on. They do.

[Todd McShay]

They do. It's tax season too, brother.

[Steve Levy]

But it's gonna be a tight three hour pod.

[Todd McShay]

All right, so that's the Patriots. I think that's fascinating and what a shift that would be because from OT1 to, you know, making that transition from Campbell, in our minds, this. I'm not saying this reflects the league. It doesn't matter what every. It doesn't matter what Kuiper has. Jeremiah has. Doesn't matter what I have or what match has. It doesn't matter if. If 29 or 31 of the teams have Campbell over Memboo. If the Patriots do and if they like their tape the way we like his tape. They like his tape. And you saw that workout. Yeah, I'm. I'm not. I'm not going to put up a fight with you. Mensch. All right, so that's New England. So then let. Let's cross off member. Let's just do this exercise appropriately.

[Steve Levy]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

Now we get to Jacksonville at 5. I think they need a defensive tackle. I would race up to the. I would race up.

[Steve Levy]

Oh, you can't get the pick in.

[Todd McShay]

Quick enough if Mason Graham's there lead betters an unrestricted. They need a difference maker.

[Steve Levy]

Drafted a guy in the second and the fourth last year but they. It did. Hasn't really panned out. They need to continue to build on the inside of that defensive line and they.

[Todd McShay]

They need secondary help. Right. They like Andre Cisco's free agency. Ronald Darby, Monteric Brown, Andrew Wingard all entering contract years in 25. They're going to address that secondary. But it's not here. I don't think they're. They're not. I love John Day Baron as much as anyone in the world, but that. That's not the pick at five when you got a Mason Graham staring at you. Right. I do think it's important. Now let's look at the combo picks here. If you get a Mason Graham here.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Because their needs are this. Center, guard, interior defensive line, corner safety, wide receiver, slot presumably. No. Right. With Christian Kirk heading out of town. So with that players. Yeah, that's my point. You pick again at 36 and. And you're looking at it and there's positions. I mean there's players to. To fit those positions like everywhere. Donovan Jackson if he's their interior offensive line if you're looking at. If you're looking at. At cornerback, a lot of good Benjamin Morrison. Notre Dame could still be there.

[Steve Levy]

Thomas Kajab Re. Ravel could drop like there's some dudes that could be available in the second.

[Todd McShay]

Yes. How do you pronounce his first name again? Why this is going to be a problem all year long.

[Steve Levy]

Azaria.

[Todd McShay]

No. Rebel.

[Steve Levy]

Oh. Oh. Savone Saone.

[Todd McShay]

I got a. It's a silent H. Todd.

[Steve Levy]

There's Dan.

[Todd McShay]

Wouldn't have been a problem if I didn't get into a fight with you and think I had the right way to pronounce it. And you didn't so now I question myself every single time. All right, so revel all those guys, wide receivers, slots. Like Luther Burden's going to probably be available. Jalen. No. Well, as much as I love him, could very well be available. So you're gonna have your choice, and it's going to be a guy that you really like that's going to be sitting there at 36, take the best player. And in Jacksonville's case, I. I truly think that it's one of the top positions in need. Mason Graham. Vegas. Vegas. Yeah. Sorry.

[Steve Levy]

Quickly. In this scenario. In this scenario, Travis Hunter falls out of the top five like I said he would.

[Todd McShay]

I forgot he was there.

[Steve Levy]

So if you want to change your pick.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, I would take. Travis Hunter goes to Jacksonville ahead of Graham. You tell me the Khan family is going to let Travis Hunter not be a Jacksonville Jaguar or what are we doing here?

[Steve Levy]

Are we projecting who we think they're going to take or who you would take there?

[Todd McShay]

I take Travis Hunter. If I. If.

[Steve Levy]

Okay, if. If you're telling me who they would take, I would tell you I've got.

[Todd McShay]

A major needed corner. I need a wide receiver who's a slot, and I get.

[Steve Levy]

I'm gonna.

[Todd McShay]

You're taking Mason Graham over him? Okay.

[Steve Levy]

I'm sticking to my. My principles. What. What I think is gonna build a championship team. So if you're taking Hunter, though, let's take Hunter off the board. Let's. Let's. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

So. So here's the beauty of it. We. We know for a fact Cam Moore's gonna be gone. Abdul Carter is going to be gone. We're for this case, it's going to be. Shador's gone at the Giants, but if he's not, we got. We get the Raiders and Jets at 6 and 7, right? So the quarterback. The top two quarterbacks are gone. I'm still like, I'm sure they got a deal done. I. I'm. I'm fascinated to see where Shador goes, man. We went member the offensive tackle, Mason Graham, and. And here's what I'm saying. Mason Graham and Hunter will be gone by the time we get to pick eight. Because we're going. We're skipping over the two quarterback needy teams, the Raiders at 6 and the jets at 7. So you have to assume Travis Hunter's gone, Abdul Carter's gone, Mason Graham's gone, and the two quarterbacks are gone. Warden Chador.

[Steve Levy]

Okay.

[Todd McShay]

That'S only six picks, but let's just. Let's keep an additional player out there for. For the fun. Of it. Okay.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Now we get to the Carolina Panthers. They haven't needed edge. Derrick Brown, their star is, is returning from injury. Their pass rush is atrocious. Absolutely atrocious.

[Steve Levy]

Take Jay to Brian Burns last year. Yeah, I mean, it's, But I do have one.

[Todd McShay]

You would take my Kel. You would take Michelle.

[Steve Levy]

Oh, I have one that I love here. What? Colston Loveland sneaks in at 8. Think about this for a second. I get it. I'm not saying that I, I, I'm probably running up with Jalen Walker, but keep Loveland in the back of your mind. They got three free agent tight ends. They got Jatavion Sanders last year from Texas. Good. I thought he was a good year. But you're getting a guy who's an absolute difference maker that you can give come in and give a playmaker to Bryce Young. Now, I've been screaming up and that, that you can't. Yeah, that you can't. They, they can't afford a player like leveling at this pick. And it's true. But this is the one where I love the idea of it happening again. I'm running up and taking Jalen Walker, but Colson Loveland and the Panthers uniform is interesting to me.

[Todd McShay]

Well, Tyler Warren's still on the board.

[Steve Levy]

Oh, that's true, too. I could have gone Warren. I was actually thinking Warren earlier, but yeah, yeah, one of those two. Take, Take Warren. I would take Warren over Loveland, but I love, I love both of those.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, that's fascinating.

[Steve Levy]

Give him a playmaker. But their, their pass rush is so atrocious that they.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, I'm gonna go. Edge.

[Steve Levy]

You have to.

[Todd McShay]

I'm gonna go. Let's just go Walker here. But, but Warren's still on the board. Unless he's that one player.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

That winds up going. He's not going. The Raiders.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Could go the Jets.

[Steve Levy]

The Raiders don't need them. Yeah, could go to the Jets.

[Todd McShay]

So let's just say, I guess for these purposes, let's say Warren's off the board.

[Steve Levy]

I like it. Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Or, or we could give war. So here we are at nine, the Saints. Let's say Warren's off the board. I don't think Warren's going to get to, to 9, to 8 or 9. So let's just say he winds up with one of those teams. Okay. So Warren's gone. I still think this could be Loveland here.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

So the, the Saints pick at 9 and 40. Okay.

[Steve Levy]

Right. It.

[Todd McShay]

From all the intel I'm getting, it's not going to be quarterback this year. They've got to beat it. Go ahead.

[Steve Levy]

There's some Spencer Rattler love, which I think is interesting. They still have him on the roster. Spencer Rattlers. I felt like there was some love for Spencer Rattler down in Indianapolis that I was surprised by.

[Todd McShay]

Okay.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

For what it's worth, I'm glad you mentioned it. Let's look. But let's look at. They pick it 9 and 40. Cam Jordan. Let's look at edge. Cam Jordan's in his, what, 15th year. Carl Granderson. They've got unrestricted free agents and Chase Young and Peyton Turner. Like, they. They really could use an edge wide receiver. They get a lot just like everyone else. Rashid Shahid, MVS is a UFA Valdez scantling. So like. And then tight end. They need a tight end. So my. To me, this is Mikel or Loveland.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

In this scenario, right?

[Steve Levy]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

And then if you look at it again, like, if. If you take the edge here at tight end, you got Mason Taylor or you got Elijah Arroyo. You do. So that. That will be in consideration.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

If you go the tight end here, Loveland, who, by the way, I finished up the tape right before the combine. I love Mason Taylor and I think there's a lot of potential for Arroyo. Loveland is different.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Loveland's got a chance to be like an elite tight end in the league. I'll be really surprised that both Warren and Loveland are not elite. Like top five, top seven, top five tight ends in the league in a couple years.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

The other guys are really good and have promise.

[Steve Levy]

As much as I like that tight end class, I think it's a great class. There's more depth in the edge. I think there's more depth at edge.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Steve Levy]

So.

[Todd McShay]

So if you go tight end here. Edge, edge. We're picking at 40 for the Saints. We're assuming at that point. Abdul Carter, Jalen Walker, Mikel Williams, Shamar Stewart, James Pierce, Mike Green are all gone.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

As a Ruku Donovan Azaruku from Boston College is. He could be gone by 40, but he would be probably the top of the list. Near the top of the list. Beyond that, you got Nick Scorton, Femio Dejo, ucla, Braden Swinson. I like two Ohio State guys. So there's edge guys, too.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. Let's go Loveland.

[Todd McShay]

Okay. I don't disagree, but that it's. It's just as much about talking it through and looking what the combinations are and getting a sense of who the players are. That fit in these, like, hot beds. Right. As we saw there. And that, to me, we know the quarterbacks, but in the first nine pick, it's like every team has a wide receiver need. There isn't a wide receiver.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

Just about every team needs an edge. Some of the teams need interior defensive line, but not many. Couple of them need tight end, but not really until there's no, like, glaring need at tight end until you get to nine. And offensive tackles, a handful of them. Right. So to your point. Yeah. They're probably going to come off the board earlier than people would like to take them and earlier than people think at this point. All right. Chicago, we covered at 10 extensively. San Francisco pick 11. My goodness. They have needs now.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. That's interesting, right?

[Todd McShay]

Yes.

[Steve Levy]

This is a. This is a roster that's in. If you listen to Schefter's podcast, they're gonna lose some guys, too. Like, they're gonna lose, you know, guys in the secondary. Dre Greenlaw. It looks like they're gonna lose. It's. They just lost. They just traded Debo. Maybe trade Ayuk. Like, this is a. This is a different situation than we can think of in recent times for The San Francisco 49ers.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. Javarius Ward. IY contracts are running up.

[Steve Levy]

Like, might not be back. Yep.

[Todd McShay]

Yep. So the way I look at it now, like, I think. I think there's a handful. I think cornerback, defensive tackle, edge, offensive tackle are probably the top four. Right.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. I got a sneaky one. What I think with Greenlaw possibly leaving. Jihad Campbell. Yeah, man. Jihad Campbell next to Fred Warner. I would like. I like to watch that very much. And then you get him to help out with your pass rush a little bit. Can do. Oh, man. I just think that's a. That's a fun pick for me. And one of those. Do we still have Mikel on the board? So he's still there. That'd be real tempting. But I love Jihad Campbell there. I think that's a great. He seems like a 49er to me.

[Todd McShay]

If you're going to lose Charvarius Ward and the guy who. Who can do what Ward does in terms of man and zone. And. And I know I had him. Yeah, that's a possibility, too.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. Will Johnson you're talking about?

[Todd McShay]

I was saying both.

[Steve Levy]

Or Jade or today.

[Todd McShay]

Still available.

[Steve Levy]

True Jade. A. Still there. Yep.

[Todd McShay]

It's not running back. These guys are still available.

[Steve Levy]

No.

[Todd McShay]

Gentian. Gentian Hampton. And then San Francisco picks again at 43. I mean, right? I mean, when you need corner defensive tackle, edge linebacker, offensive offensive line.

[Steve Levy]

Like they could go Tyler Booker there, too. That's another interesting Alabama name. Tyler Booker.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. Yeah. But are you in a position. I just listed off like four of the most important positions.

[Steve Levy]

Right. I'm taking an edge over a guard.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, but are you doing that? I mean, you still have both. I don't know.

[Steve Levy]

It's tough. You take Jade A. Right.

[Todd McShay]

I do. I. For some reason, I don't think they will.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

I think that they're going to look to upgrade their offensive line or defensive line. So we both have picks we like.

[Steve Levy]

Here and we don't think either one of them will be the pick.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Steve Levy]

Based on your board, we should probably go Booker or Williams as the guy that's going to come off here.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, let's go Michael Williams because I think he could. He could come off earlier anyway.

[Steve Levy]

Agree.

[Todd McShay]

Just for the. This is just for an exercise. Does. It doesn't really matter. All right. Dallas is up at 12. Everyone's talked running back with them. Running back is absolutely a huge need. Release Ezekiel Elliott late in the season. Rico Dowdle is a free agent. They just. They need a guy. It would make too much sense for them to draft Ashton Genti and. Or. I mean, or not and. Or Omarion Hampton. Right. Dallas picks at 12 and then again at 44. You look at the combo pick and you say and. And we talked about like hotbeds for certain positions. This to me is the hotbed for guard Tyler Booker. 12 Dallas Miami 13, Colts 14. Sure they'd love it if Chris Ballard took another interior offensive lineman that high. You know what I mean? So I think this is kind of that hot bed when I, when I talk to like everyone in the league felt like they wanted to talk about Booker. They wanted to talk about his character. They want to talk about his tape and they wanted to tell me he's coming off the board earlier than I thought. This isn't. This isn't much earlier than I thought. This is about, you know, so this is. I think Tyler Booker's in play for the next three picks. I also. And we'll get to. I also think your. Your safety starts to get in play at 13. Miami Iman worry and 14 Colts. I'm not saying he's going to go there, but 13, 14 and 15 with the Falcons all have safety needs, so I think that's kind of his. His little range. So you're taking book.

[Steve Levy]

Are you taking Booker with Dallas? I just lost.

[Todd McShay]

I. I think they could. I think Kenneth Grant would be at play here.

[Steve Levy]

Interesting.

[Todd McShay]

But I think they've got to, they've got to protect their quarterback. They got to protect Dak. Yeah, I, I think I would go Booker here.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah. They just lost 7 time all pro guard Zach Martin to retirement.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah. It just feels like the right, like the right thing to do you consider.

[Steve Levy]

Do you consider Will Campbell, do you think he's a guard and do you think you would consider him here?

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, I would consider it. I don't disagree. It's. I, I'd have to work him out at guard and feel really good about it when I send my offensive line coach and my offensive coordinator and feel really good about what I'm, what I'm seeing in a comfort level. But yeah, let's, let's go Booker here for just to move it along. But I do think then we look at running back. Here's the thing with Cowboys fans because there's a really good chance if what I'm hearing is true, that it's not going to be Gentee, it's not going to be Hampton here at 12. And let's say it's not. And if they go Booker here and you're booing because they're taking an Alabama guard, what are we doing? I get it. But then in round, in round two at pick 44 for the Cowboys, you're looking at Quinch on Judkins, right? Another Ohio State running back there, Zeke's Long Run. You're looking at Caleb Johnson, Iowa, there's dudes and even beyond that, when we get to, you know, like the DJ Giddens, the Bashul Tootins, even in round three because in round two, I got news for you. You might be taking care, taking advantage of this interior defensive line class because you're way, you're unbelievably desperate for a running back, but you can find one. You're also desperate for difference makers, impact players along the defensive front. And if you could get a Darius Alexander at 4044, if you could get an Omar Norman lot so like Ty Leak Williams, if he's still there.

[Steve Levy]

Just to be clear, they, they, they signed OSA Ogadigazua.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, they did today. That's right.

[Steve Levy]

But they still, but they still need more help. I think they still are in the.

[Todd McShay]

That's right. I just saw that before we came on. You're right. But yeah, that's where they are.

[Steve Levy]

Might also see what ride receiver falls to him in the early second round. I think they're going to take a receiver with Brandon Cooks being a free agent. They. They could. They could be in the free agent. The wide receiver market of the second round.

[Todd McShay]

So let's go. Booker there though. But still on this boar board is Ashton Genti. Jade Baron.

[Steve Levy]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

That'S hard for me. Jade Baron, still my number eight player still on the board. Pick 13, Omari and Hampton, North Carolina running back Kenneth Grant. These are more recent. Kenneth Grant, Will Campbell, defensive tackle, offensive tackle, MI, LSU, respectively. But jihad Campbell, inside linebacker, Alabama. Nick Eamon, Worry Safety, S.C. and Will Johnson, cornerback, Michigan. Well, I'm not as high on as everybody else. I'm sorry. Here we get to Miami. They have a needed safety, they have a needed guard, they have a needed defensive tackle.

[Steve Levy]

Kenneth Grant's my guy here just because I think he's such a great fit for that scheme. The Anthony Weaver scheme where he can play on the inside shade of the offensive tackle, he can play on the outside shade of the defensive tackle. You know, just a unique athlete. I know Calais Campbell's situation is up in the air, but at the end of the day, even if he comes out back, he's 38 years old and you have in Kenneth Grant who's just, I think, you know, could just excel in that scheme. The Anthony Weaver scheme is sort of like he. He's got that Ravens background, so if people are familiar with that, they have a good idea what he wants to do with his defensive lineman. Getting the gaps wreak havoc. Kenneth Grant is tailor made for what Miami wants to do up front. And Nick Nicky, Iman worry makes sense too, because they're not. They just came out and said they're not going to tag Javon Holland and Jordan Poyer is the free agents, so they have a pressing need at safety.

[Todd McShay]

And Tyrell Dodson and Anthony Walker are. Are headed a free agency as well.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah, but give me Kenneth Grant. I just. The fit. I just love the fit.

[Todd McShay]

Here's the thing. If you're a Dolphins fan, there's going to be a damn good football player, whether it's safety, guard, linebacker, defensive tackle, all their positions. Now it comes down to this. Is a good Scott in that front office making the right decision. Which guy, which guy do they believe in the most? Because they're going to have their pick of the litter, basically. And then at 48, again, if you go guard here, you can go safety or linebacker, defensive tackle there. There's going to be depth at those positions, more so defensive tackle, interestingly enough.

[Steve Levy]

Right? True.

[Todd McShay]

Miami for their needs and they've Got more than they'd like and they got a lot of guys exiting stage left, but there's going to be players at both positions. Let's rip through these next two real quickly. Indianapolis Colts, I think they have an absolute need and they've got to protect their quarterback, whoever it's going to be. But I think. I think Booker's probably gone between Dallas at 12 and Miami at 13. I think. I think Tyler Booker's gone. Tight end. If Loveland's still here, take him. Take him.

[Steve Levy]

Yep.

[Todd McShay]

But if. If. If Booker's gone and Loveland's gone, Eamon Worry could be a fit here. Cornerback, though. Jade Baron still on the board again, in a good position.

[Steve Levy]

Shemar Stewart still there. I mean, I just value edge. Get another edge like Jihad.

[Todd McShay]

Jihad. Campbell is still here, too, with the versatility he can bring.

[Steve Levy]

It's a good spot to be in this.

[Todd McShay]

So this. That's why. This part of the reason why I like doing this exercise, because it felt like, I don't know, you know, when you were like, picks 7, 8, 9. Am I really getting that value there? But you start. And even 11. Right. But you start to get like 12, and once you've gotten that, you've cleared out that top tier, which isn't that long as it normally is. That list isn't as long.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

You get now to this, like, 12, 13, 14, 15 range, and you're like, my. All right. There's a lot of good players at a lot of different positions.

[Steve Levy]

Can I ask you something?

[Todd McShay]

Yes.

[Steve Levy]

And I know I've told you not to do this. All of this Pod. If you love Jackson Dart, do you. Do you consider him at 14? They've said they're bringing in competition.

[Todd McShay]

You son of a. You son of a mensch.

[Steve Levy]

Are you thinking maybe. Maybe.

[Todd McShay]

That would signal you're absolutely done with Anthony Richards?

[Steve Levy]

I know the politics of it are brutal.

[Todd McShay]

I don't even worry about the pol. But, like, I'd have. Chris would have to, like. I'd have to, like, be in those meetings and be like, where are we really? Because nobody, nobody outside, very few outside that building truly know what's actually going on. We all think we do. And it ain't great. It's not pretty. But where are they mentally? If you're opening it back up and you're public about it.

[Steve Levy]

Right.

[Todd McShay]

I think that the writing's on the wall. Right.

[Steve Levy]

Right. There's some signaling there.

[Todd McShay]

This would be too high. Trading back in, because again, they pick it 45. Trading back in or trading up in the second.

[Steve Levy]

Weird because I've always heard from someone that I, I really respect and I've worked with for years. If you love a quarterback and you're in love with what a quarterback can do, it's never too high.

[Todd McShay]

I go, yeah, yes, thank you. But, but, but every conversation has to have a like perspective to it.

[Steve Levy]

Right?

[Todd McShay]

My thing is here you can sit back and wait. Remember we. We just talked to Howie Roseman was awesome by the way, in that interview. People. The comments I'm getting like people, the personal side of him that, that very. It's not often that you get to see from any of these general managers, especially a Super bowl winning general manager. He was absolutely hysterical but very insightful and it was just a lot of fun. It's on our YouTube page homepage if you. If you want to check that out. But he talked about like Jaylen Herz and sitting back and waiting. We talked to Eric Dasta about the organization. Sitting back and waiting until there's the right spot and move up.

[Steve Levy]

So you take someone, you take someone else here and then try to.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, you're talking about maybe getting a Colson Loveland or a Booker or even worry. You know what I mean? Get a difference maker and then, and then identify. That's where you have to trust your intel and identify the spot where you have to. If you really like a Jackson Dart or Tyler Shuck. All right, last one. 15 feels like an edge rusher.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah.

[Todd McShay]

Safety. Safety is also in need.

[Steve Levy]

I like the position. I'm going to curveball. You.

[Todd McShay]

Corner center, wide receiver. What do you got?

[Steve Levy]

No, it's the edge. I like the edge position. I'm going with Donovan, Ezra Aruko. And I know you're going to say it's too. I know you're going to say it's too early. I don't think so. Man, I love this kid's tape and I love his. I love the way he uses his hands. I just, I, I'm higher on him than you are and I. We'll see what happens with the M. Green stuff and the James Pierce stuff. I think he's a cleaner prospect right now and we might be having a different conversation in a couple weeks. I understand that, but. Who's the new defensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons? Former jets interim coach Jeff Ulrich and Jeff Ulbrich had a certain smaller, leaner. I wouldn't say smaller, but leaner edge rusher with the jets named Will McDonald that had 10 and a half sacks last year. If you're looking at that Scheme. You're looking at a player who's talented. Yeah, I know you might think it's early at 15. I think he's a first round pick, man. I do. I think that kid's a first round pick. Maybe that's a little bit early, but I'm gonna stick it in your mind. Something to think about.

[Todd McShay]

Okay.

[Steve Levy]

Again, I like the fits.

[Todd McShay]

I'm done with this tape.

[Steve Levy]

I know.

[Todd McShay]

I mean, you're never fully done. I'll go back and I'll try to send me like a clip of what you're. I, I saw it all. He's brilliant with his hands. He's like, he, he's at his best when he can get in and then like identify or locate and get off a box. I just didn't see the same explosiveness, the traits, the change of direct. I don't know. Although his body control was outstanding.

[Steve Levy]

Yeah, man.

[Todd McShay]

But yeah, I just didn't see. I thought he was a notch below, but I hear you. All right. This has been fun. I like it. I like it.

[Steve Levy]

Can I give you one later in the draft real quick? Because what it would mean. Just this is what I would hope.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steve Levy]

And I know you're on board because of the running backs. The vikings at pick 24, take Ohio State running back Quin, Sean Junkins. Because what that would mean is, is that Genti somehow or Genti or Hampton somehow goes 10, goes to the Bears or go to the Cowboys. And then there would have to be a waterfall effect of these running backs. I think he would be the fourth off of the board. And I know that the Chargers, there's some talk about Najee Harris, but the Chargers could take it back, Denver could take it back. And then all of a sudden, if you get Chicago, Denver, Chargers all take backs and then Minnesota takes one, it'll be the first time four running backs go in the first round since 2008. That was a class that had, you know, Darren McFadden, Rashard Mendel Hall, Jonathan Stewart. And I would love for this class of running backs to be in that same conversation. Do I think it's gonna happen? Absolutely not. I don't think it's gonna happen. But it would be awesome because of what it would mean for that class. And Jug Kidson's coming off.

[Todd McShay]

Who played.

[Steve Levy]

For Chris Johnson, was in that class. That class loaded.

[Todd McShay]

Fastest 40 time for a long time. The combine. This is fun, man. I like. I just, I love the scenarios. I hope everyone viewing and, and listening kind of followed along. We got to drop the top 32. Mench hates it. I'm too high on a couple quarterbacks. I get it. Not high enough on interior defensive lineman. But he can't tell me which one he would put in.

[Steve Levy]

I did.

[Todd McShay]

I told you which one.

[Steve Levy]

Nolan. Walter Nolan.

[Todd McShay]

Yeah.

[Steve Levy]

I didn't have him in there.

[Todd McShay]

No. I think. Yeah.

[Steve Levy]

And I'm moving Derek Harmon up. So I'm back on board with the Derek Carmen thing and Tyler Williams.

[Todd McShay]

Great. This is what I get to do now. We don't March in April. Okay. Again, we are back on Monday. Every Monday, every Thursday, Monday afternoons. Thursday, first thing in the morning, you get up. Don't want to get out of bed yet. Instead of just like laying there and watching the morning news. Pop our. Pop the show on. But we will. Yeah. We've got a mock draft coming up in the next 10 days. Top 100. We're going to post on the newsletter. We've got a newsletter coming out in the. In just a. What is to Thursday? Yeah. News newsletter is getting ready to drop. Okay. Subscribe if you can. We truly appreciate. Subscribe to the podcast the McShay Show. Go on Google. Go to Google the McShay Report. Type in the McShay Report. You'll see it right there. It's the fastest way to get there. $4 through the rest of this draft, $36 this year, all off season, during the season and all of next draft. We're gonna like literally walk you through our entire process, get you ahead of the, ahead of the, the chains, if you will, in terms of who the prospects we are. Like, we get an initial list of a whole bunch of players. We'll identify the top 100. We're watching tape on. Then more players names will come flooding in. We're going to walk you through that whole process. So it's a full year round, you know, round the clock type thing, but four bucks to get through the next two months. You saw some of the intel we had with Sanders with the Giants, with some of the players rising. We're gonna just keep bringing everything, everything I got in that report and here on The Podcast and McShay Show. Thank you for watching. We will see you again Monday afternoon. And things are going to ramp up with free agency. We're just going to be reacting. That's going to be fun, a fun week. So thanks again. We'll see you soon. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18/ plus and present in D.C. gambling problem. Call 1-800- GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-87-7-8, HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New.