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Hey, Tate, come over here. I. I do want Tate. He's got a special announcement to make. Tell. Tell the folks what's going on. 152 days till draft. 152 days. Let's go till the NFL draft. And even Tate McShay knows it meant you good.
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I'm great, man.
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Tucker, roll that.
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You good tape.
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You could take that. Just made that. That young man's ear grinning year to year his debut. Okay, this is the McJay show, presented by Fanduel. And college football Saturdays are heating up. Whether you're in for the early kick or the late night action, FanDuel lets you bet your way with the same game parlays, live betting game props and more. And Missouri, get excited because FanDuel is coming your way on December 1st. Download the app or head to FanDuel.com McShay and make every Saturday count. Must be 21 and older in present select states or 18 and older and present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut. Let's get to it. And honestly, we put some more effort today into the. Into the best things we saw because the. The football wasn't what wasn't living up. But social media never lets us down. Never lets us down. All right, Tucker, let's roll it, man. Everyone's waiting. Freaking Dr. Shin, man. How about the horns down? Shin. Look at the horns down.
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That's great.
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I mean, let's not get. Mater is not throwing the ball the same way he was before the thumb.
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But the. You had to. You couldn't leave it alone. You just couldn't have a good story.
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That guy's a magician, man.
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It's.
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I thought it was all a farce. I didn't think there was a chance. I thought it was a Venable stunt. I didn't think there's any chance. Like X. What was it? Like, how many? Like 20 days later, he's back from breaking his thumb on his throwing hand.
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It's like Kurt shilling with a bloody sock.
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I mean, it makes no sense. I don't care what extremity. I don't care if it's heart surgery. Shin. Shin's my guy. This episode is brought to you by Fox 1. Fox 1 is now live stream all your Fox favorites together in one place from NFL on Fox to big noon Saturdays with Fox one. You get it all live. Start your seven Day free trial today. Offers are subject to change. Go to Fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox one streaming now.
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Yeah, listen, not to take something really fun and make it serious, but it just goes to show you what it takes to win at that level and all like the staff, you have to have a great medical staff behind you as well. I mean, it just. It's incredible. Incredible. Where Oklahoma hit is when you look back at that. And I mean, I'll be honest, when I saw that injury and was going to be out for an extended period of time.
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Let's go.
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Good run by Oklahoma, but they're not.
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Going to be able to. Yeah, they're building something nice and. Yeah, Naggy's in the GM and got the right coordinator and hopefully Matier's back next, but here we are.
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Dr. Shin wasn't having it, man.
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No, man. Horns down.
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Horns down.
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Oh, all right, what do we got next, Tuck? Oh, this is great.
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Oh, my God, I love you. And show me these.
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This is at the Harvard Yale game, man. College football campus tour. Thank you. Thank you for sharing this. I mean, you know, you're right, you know, you're at an Ivy League game when you're looking through the hat and you see a beanie. Yale physics beanie. It's beautiful. Hey, by the way, Yale. Yale, Harvard. That was at the. That was, I guess, a Yale beanie.
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Physics.
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And. And Yale. Congratulations to Yale. Undefeated.
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Harvard was undefeated going into that game.
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Yeah, yeah. 9 and 1, I think it was. And. Or they finished the season nine and one. They. Yeah. But Yale with that win, secures a spot in the FCS playoffs.
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Some upset people in Cambridge tonight, man.
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They are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. Can hear money while we're on it, by the way. People screaming down the street. I. I had the. I probably should have found a video. I've given them a lot of love, so they don't need any more. And it's just one. One small high school in. In all. All the country. And we've covered a lot of the high schools in the last few weeks. But I had the pleasure today, man, packing up the kids. Mia, Tate and Allaire to go see. AJ's just a sophomore, so he's not play. He's on the jv. He's not playing a lot in the varsity. But I've been going to a lot of the games here in Cohasset, Mass, right where we moved four, almost four years ago now. This tiny little town with 9, 000 people in it and only like a hundred, maybe a hundred. 100 people. 100 students in a. In the graduating class. This Cohasset team is. Is beaten like a Division 2 team, a Division 3 team. Their Division 7 small school. They won today against Northbridge, 35 to 15 up in Woburn, Mass. And we were up there for that game. And they put it on Northbridge, they're now 3. 0 in the playoffs. You know what their reward is, man, you know how cool I get Goosebumps. Talk about it. They get to go play on December 4th at 5:30pm at Gillette Stadium. Yeah. To win the super bowl, the state title in their division. How cool is that?
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That that day is great for Massachusetts football. Because I think there's like five or six games that day. They just stack them and it's. Yeah.
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Or it's like that day and another. I forget exactly how it goes, but. But, you know.
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Yeah. Maybe wrong. Yeah. Yeah.
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Whatever it is. But. And it's. It's, you know, it's on the local.
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It's pretty cool.
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Yeah. So. And every state has it. And I get. I understand the Massachusetts State football is not as big as Texas and California and Florida, but it was just really cool to be a part of it. And like, all the big games I've gone to and, like, watching, you know, whether it's the swamp or I've literally been to every single one of these stadiums and all the traditions and all that stuff, but to go back to high school and, like, just to, like, feel that energy, it's, like, hard not to get goosebumps. And to know how important, like, I was one play away from playing. And it wasn't. It was Foxborough Stadium.
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Yeah.
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Back in 1999. Like, literally one play away. I'll never forget it, have my own regrets, like. But to see that those young men get that, it was really, really cool.
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What kind of offense is Cohasset running?
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It's one of the best coach teams, man. They're Gus Green. Not nod to Gus Green. The running. Yeah.
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Let's go.
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27 touchdowns. He broke the Cohasset school record today with 27 touchdowns. Running back, you got Wildfire the court. Michael Wildfire the quarterback. They're just efficient, man. They're just efficient. I like it. They're big up big up front. Tough. Yeah. So it's been fun to watch. All right, we got. Speaking of high school, let's flip it. Tom Pellisaro with his. With his own. Yeah. Read this one. Mitch.
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The Edina. I looked this up. It's Edina Hornets football team. Just Won their first Minnesota State Championship since 1978 with the Chicago Blackhawks. Blackhawks first round draft pick playing his senior year quarterback and the hockey team's goalie scoring six touchdowns in the title game. Play sports, have fun. Nothing like that's from Tom Pelissaro. Unbelievable story that this kid, Mason west is a was. I think he's the 29th pick in the first round. He's a center for the Chicago Blackhawks. Decided during his interview process during the draft. Said, I'm going back. I want to play high school football my senior year. I want to go through that whole process. I want to play with my teammates. I believe his name is Mason West. And Chase Bjorgard, who's the hockey goalie, the goalie on the high school team, had six touchdowns in this game, four rushing, two catch, two receiving. I think another really cool part of the story is that west isn't the first quarterback who was a hockey star to play for that school. Anders Lee, the captain for the New York Islanders, played quarterback for the Adina Hornets as well and was the Minnesota Gatorade football player of the year in 2008. So there's a little bit of history there, too, with that, with that school. I think it's.
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It's just.
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We talk about this a lot, and it comes up a lot how specialized high school sports have become. And I think whether that's for hockey or if you're, you know, if you're.
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Going to be a.
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You're going to play for the Blackhawks one day or whatever it is how specialized sports are and how important it is for players, the parents get caught.
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Up in it a little bit.
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And I think it's important for high school kids to play a number of different sports. And when you look at the draft and you look at players that are drafted in the NFL and how many of them played more than one sport in high school, it's an overwhelming amount. It's just. It's just, have fun, man. When you're young, go out there and play what you want to play. Play all, you know, like he. This guy's not a star. I mean, the, the goalie for the hockey team is the guy who really won this game for them. The quarterback had some nice plays over the course of the year, I saw, but, like, really it was the goalie. But this kid who's going to be a center for the Blackhawks wants to go back and play with his boys because it means something to him. Playing for that high school team meant something to Him. I think that's just great.
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That's really cool and, and really nice job chronicling that. I, I do love our, our. I do love our. The folks on our chat, though. Like, like the county. Like, no, no, they're not killing you. It's. It's like we got Tate coming in and giving you 152 days to the draft. We're talking about high school football. And they're like, yeah, like Shadors throwing two picks tomorrow. Three sacks minimum. The Raiders, Kiffin, Florida, Max Crosby. Like, they just like, stop. Like, they'll come back to us when we're talking ball, like, when we're talking what's relevant. All right. Speaking. Speaking of fun. And I don't care what's going on in the chat right now, no offense. They have a life of their own. I threw this in last minute. I just happened to come across this like 20 minutes before we came on. I just love it. Reddit college football. At Reddit college football, basically there's a, there's a Reddit page right where, where the USC and Oregon folks are going at each other the whole game, right? And as they said, like, it started to get some sloppy discipline penalties in the end of the game. And so the Reddit's kind of following along and this USC guy, Frank Fragrant analysis. 181 WRS. My writes. My coach used to say if you had any energy at the end of the game to be angry and be an ass. You didn't to like, basically, if you can still have the energy to be angry and to be an ass, like to go create. Go have a penalty or p. You know, some kind of, you know, flagrant or personal foul. Flagrant. You didn't spend enough energy during the rest of the game then killing time for now. From an Oregon fan jumps and says, I don't know who your coach was, but he's a real one for saying it. And then Charlemagne of the usa, also an Oregon fan writes signetti, obviously. And then Fragrant from. From USC comes back. Like, if Signetti was a fat Hawaiian dude with a long beard, a long braid and full sleeves tattoo tattoos, then I'd say this is accurate. And Donnie do nothing from. From Ohio State. A Buckeye fan just kind of jumps in the fray out of nowhere and writes, maybe he was. We don't know. People change. Oh, man, I just love it.
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All right.
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With nothing better to do.
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I love it.
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You had something that came across your. That you wanted to share, so go ahead.
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This is wild to me Rice is hosting North Texas, who's 22 in the eight people. They're not ranked in the playoff ranks, but they're 22. And the eight people had had a. North Texas had a really good year. And so Rice wanted to get the students in the stands and so they offered a free 12 ounce beer. I think they gave t shirts. The first 500 kids who showed up, they gave vouchers.
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Ben and Jerry's too.
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Ben and Jerry's ice cream, which, I mean, let's be honest, I'm a big guy. That, that would have, that alone would have got me in the building.
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But the free beer is obviously going.
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To be the headline. I got to be honest with you, Michael, the first time I read this I was kind of like, really? We got to get is it that bad at Rice? And then I read the article and one of the women who was promoting the. That that promotion made a great point that I was missing and that is that it is the weekend before Thanksgiving and a lot of these kids are going home and you're trying to get them to stay and, and to, you know, cheer on the team and so maybe you throw them some free beer. Now I do think it's a real good idea, a great idea to make it one 12 ounce beer for your 21 and older students.
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What the headline here is.
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The headline makes it sound like keg.
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Stands on the way in. You know what I mean?
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Like we're going to.
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And then let me tell you something. If you start giving out free beer to students, I'm going to follow up at all. I'm going to follow up and show you. This is what happens at Texas A and M. This is from the Texas A and M police, which by the way, have been under scrutiny reason recently. Public intoxication. This is a report right from the game. Public intoxication section 128 intoxicated subject found staring at a wall released to sober girlfriend ejected.
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Oh, what is that hashtag, BTH?
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I don't know. BTA Stanford, but 1.6 million views. Something tells me the Texas A and M police have never gotten 1.66 million impressions on an X post.
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That is a, that is a dense tweet, by the way. I mean there's. It's short, but there's a lot in there. One, why is he staring at the wall? Two, did they, did they give their girlfriend a breathalyzer? How sure were they that she was sober? Release makes it sound like they let him go on his way and then ejected. Sounds like he was kicked out. There's a lot of stuff going on.
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We didn't arrest because a very. Because a girl who appeared to be sober said, I. He's my boyfriend. I'll get him home. They're like, fine, but. But you gotta leave staring at the wall. We. We can't. We can't have grown men staring at walls. They're so effed up.
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All right. Oh, man.
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We had to liven up today, and that certainly did it for us. All right, let's circle back, man. Let's circle back and let's talk about. I just don't even know how much we want. Like, I'm looking at scores that are brutal. I'm looking at Pitt pulling away and two touchdowns over Georgia Tech. I'm looking at 31 to 11 was the final and it wasn't even.
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Are you not even to give me my flowers on the pit. Pit thing, by the way, are we just going to ignore the flowers for mention on that one? I told you they were going to get. I told you they were going to.
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Get one of them.
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Notre Dame, Georgia Tech or. Or Georgia. I mean, or Miami Pit plays Miami next, right? I told you they would get one of them. And I should have known that it was going to be Georgia Tech, but they did. They ended up. They ended up getting one of them.
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Yeah. Well, there's your flowers. You just gave them to yourself.
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You're the worst.
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I know, but it took me 20.
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Minutes to stop missing you.
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You abandoned me for a week. So you knew it was going to come without any punishment. I want to save the SEC stuff. I want to save Tennessee, Florida to later. I want to save Texas. I want to save Texas and. And what they did today against Arkansas for later.
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For the best game of the day.
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Usc, Oregon.
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Yeah.
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All right, then. Then go ahead. You start with wherever you want on that.
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I think that one of the things that jumped out to me, and I know he had two touchdowns and he had two receiving touchdowns and a throwing touchdown this game, but there was no way Oregon was going to let Makai Lemon beat that was game. I mean, he was early.
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Yeah.
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He was bracketed from beginning. And. And I thought that Jaden Kennedy. I think I'm saying that name right. Jaden Kennedy. The. The nickel safety or the nickel, you know, corner, whatever you want to call him. I would call him a Nicki Nickel safety. He was competitive and aggressive underneath because he knew he had help over the top. And they made that. That comment during the. The broadcast and I thought it was they were not going to let Makai Lemon take that game over and Jacoby Lane almost made him pay for it. He made some really nice plays in this game and it was interesting. But when you do the autopsy of this USC defense or this USC team at the end of the year, why they weren't able to get over the hump, I think you look at some of the problems they had stopping the run, some of the injuries they had along the offensive line and that kind of ties into their inability to run the ball against Oregon. So I think it was injuries up front and they had some, some problems stopping the run on the defensive side of the ball and that's really ultimately what killed them.
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I did find it interesting this guy to Nook Hines from usc, right?
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Man, he popped today because Jacoby Lane.
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Like he had saw, he had solid production. He did. He did his part. When, when the defenses take is. If you want to see respect for a wide receiver, go study this tape. Go study the level of respect that Dan Lanning and that Oregon coaching staff has for a wide receiver. You'll see it against, against Makai Lemon. Yeah, and, and we've talked ad nauseum about Lemon. I, I went on and on last week again about Lemon Mensch like, and one of my tape trues on Monday was, was about Makai Lemon. Like this guy is for real. He was giving me lad McConkey vibes and, and Mecca Buka vibes. And why those two? Because he just, everything he's doing looks so ready for the NFL that like he's going to step on an NFL field and he's going to be productive right away and he might have a monster rookie year. He's that type of guy. Okay, he may not be the next Calvin Johnson, he may not be the next Randy Moss. But I'm saying like if you're, if, if you're one of those teams picking in mid to late first and you're a potential playoff team and you need immediate production like the Buccaneers needed, right? This, this is the kind of guy that's what I'm seeing on tape because I really went back and studied. I've studied a lot of his tape over the year. But my point in all of this is with that attention being given and Jacoby's getting his but not like massive production in the first half. This guy to no kinds comes in his season high this year was five catches for 67 yards against Notre Dame to Nook Hines. Tanuk. Tanuk at halftime men. He had five catches for 137 in a touchdown. Now he only finished with with six for 141 and one. So they took him away in the second half as well. But I thought that that was interesting. I also thought. And listen, USC's gone. This was their last shot. Yeah. And I, I talked about him in the preseason. I'm like, I think this team's better than people are giving them credit. And you know what? They, they are and they're heading in the right direction. We'll see what happens with Lincoln Riley. There's a lot of buzz now. If it ain't laying at Florida, maybe it's, maybe it's Lincoln Riley going. I don't think that's the case. But we'll see how this all shakes out and we'll get to, to Lane Kiffin and kind of what I'm hearing and, and what, what's being posted out there in a minute and obviously the reports coming in. But, but this USC is a program is finally. You feel it's trending in the right direction. The biggest problem for USC is that they could not run the football. And when you're taking away a receiver like that and you still have two other guys that are producing like there's got to be a run game. And over time that, that kind of wore on USC and Oregon had a brilliant approach defensively for them, even though they gave up like whatever turned out to be 27 points in that game. And this Oregon defense is not elite, but it's certainly a good group. The thing that stood out to me the most mensch, if I'm being honest to Corian Moore still out.
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Yeah.
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Wide receiver Gary Bryant Jr. Is out again this week. So you come into the game. Oh, and by the way, Evan Stewart, a potential first round talent was lost in the preseason. You're talking about your top three guys right there, not, not playing. And your fourth guy, Jeremiah McClellan had two catches for whatever it was yards. He gets injured and he's out the rest of the game. So you're now down your four best receivers, what you thought it was going to be in whatever July.
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Yep.
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And Dante Moore is still efficient as hell, man. You know, like 13 of 18 in the first. I'm watching his 13 of 18 in the, in the first half. And let me pull it up here.
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22 of 30 for 2, 257, two touchdowns, one interception, but again with a decimated receiving core. And I like Malik Benson, but he's supposed to be, he's supposed to be three, maybe four on this in terms of options at this point.
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So.
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I hear you, man.
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I just, I thought it was an impressive performance by him kind of keeping things together and, and this run game, this run game that we talked about, I remember we did, we did one of the tape trues several weeks ago like the, the state of the run game for Oregon because why is it that they have 95 running backs and none of them's the. The guy transfer and who like. Yeah, yeah, Makai Hughes. And nothing wants to work for me tonight. And that's fine. We'll just keep fighting. Men, here we go.
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But me or the computer? I don't know what you're talking about.
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No, you're doing great. It's just my computer. Okay. But no Noah. Winning and winning. Whittington, as I mentioned a while back, like they finally, in about week five or six of the season found their. Found their rhythm at running back and it was the old, the gray beard Whittington at running back. And again he just keeps producing every single.
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Can I say something really quickly?
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Yes.
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When you talked about him, I was like, yeah, I like him too, McShay. But those young backs, man, that's where it's at. They need to get those young backs more involved. And Winnington's a nice piece and all. And then I watched him today and I got it. I am with you now. I understand. That dude just runs. He is the, he's the Bucky Irving. Right. He's that undersized back that's going to run so goddamn hard that you're like, how is that guy? You know, he's not that big, he's not that fast, but he is that good. I'm all in on Winnington at this point. That run game was awesome.
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Yeah. I mean you look since, since the middle of October, 11 for 125 against Rutgers, 1497 for 97 against Wisconsin, 17 for 118 against. I limited against Minnesota because they, they just put it on him early. He only had eight carries, but averaged nine yards per carry, 72 yards and today again, 19 carries, 140 yards. He has been a massive difference, especially for an offense that has been without its number one receiver, has been without its star receiver coming into the year because of preseason. So that's, you know, for several weeks now you've been without those top two guys. And then Gary Bryant gets injured. Now McClellan's injured. So like the run game and Kenyan Sadiq have had to step up and, and that's what's happened. And the run game has Been doing it for a month and a half. Sadiq has been doing it for.
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Eight days.
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He had six catches for 72 yards and two touchdowns today. He had a monster game against Minnesota.
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He looked awesome today. Yeah.
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You weren't here last week. I got into some trouble for. For sharing what. What was being said about. About Sadiq.
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Not your first. Not your first time.
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No. But by the way, wasn't wrong. By the way might have lit a fire. You're sending out memos to the National Football League about like, hey, this, you know, and. And it's obviously something that's. That. That touched a nerve. And it's also some pretty good inspiration for this young man. Like, we like, it's time to step up. And he's. He's been awesome the last two weeks. So I'm not taking any credit for it. I'm just saying an unfortunate situation and all that stuff. But. But he has. He's been forced into the opportunity has been there for him to be kind of shoved like, hey, go take it. Yeah, go take this role. Why aren't we targeting you as much as. As. And this is. And this is the point I was making before. This wasn't about me getting information from a scout. This was me asking a question as an evaluator that scouts were asking before they got to Eugene. This guy is so damn good as a blocker. He's so talented. He is so fast, he's athletic. He's going to tear up the combine when we're out there and when we got Matt Matthias and we got ATB and we got the whole gang coming to join us in Indianapolis because they're planning on it match, if I haven't told you.
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That's awesome.
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And at the Senior bowl, like, he's going to blow that thing up because he's one of those workout guys. But why isn't he getting the targets like a. Colston Loveland was the target share at Michigan and like Tyler Warren was at Penn State, which was outrageous, but outrageous talents at that position typically have more involvement in the past game. We've seen it now, the last two weeks and now the expectation is that he continues to be that big apart. And yes, part of it is because the wide receivers just keep dropping like flies. Right?
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Yeah.
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But anyway, it's good to see. Go ahead.
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Just to change up a little bit. Dante Moore, I thought he was really efficient today too. I thought to his credit, the pick was bad. The pick was a bad decision.
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He really.
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He. I think he predetermined that the safety was going to come down on the tight end. And when that didn't happen, he. I mean, it was, it was a bad decision.
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It was.
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And. And then USC comes back and goes, scores. And it's a 28, 21 game at that point. But he just, you know, he's steady. He's so freaking steady. For a guy that doesn't have that much starting experience. Him and Ty Simpson are weird in that way. They are not. They are so unflappable for guys who have not been in a lot of high pressure situations. And again, Dante Moore today, it just didn't rattle him. He's like, yeah, I made a mistake. Let's go. Like we're gonna. The next time I get out. And you even saw Will Stein was calling plays late where I thought they were running the ball so well. Like, let's just run the ball. And he was, he was still giving Dante more opportunities to throw the ball downfield. I thought that was interesting and showed that they have a lot of trust in More. To me, again, him and Ty Simpson, their, their poise is impressive for guys who have not started a lot of big games.
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I also, I, I also want to give a nod to this. But you know what? Dan Comer asked us a question, and I said I wasn't going to get to it tonight.
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Here we go.
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I don't want to do it.
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B
That's why you plant the seed, Dan.
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I don't want to do a deep dive. Yeah. And he knows me and he knows what he's doing. He knows. And something gets in the back of my head that there's a chance that. Oh, by the way, 2014 Cincinnati. I said a minute left in that game. It was a minute left in the third quarter. I was so caught up in Georgia tech, Pittsburgh. So BYU is up 20 to 14 against Cincinnati. So it's still not. What is 350 is left in that game. So just something to keep an eye on. Yeah. In their own 30. So Cincinnati gets a stop. They, you know, they get a chance anyway.
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B
Yeah.
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The question was from Dan, and I'll paraphrase, if he keeps playing like this and we get into a college Football playoff situation and he starts to roll. And if you get the core. And again, I'm paraphrasing, but this is what he was insinuating. And, and he's. He's really played well at times, and you can see the talent and he's not ready. But there are agents out there and there are people who are going to be Like, I hear you and I know that you're getting a lot of money to go back and I know your mom and your dad have said that you're going back and I know that you guys have all made that decision. I have it on like authority. Dante Moore's going back to Oregon next, next year. I'm already in the, in the doghouse with Oregon. I'm, I'm not here to start anything. I'm truly not. But he made a good point of what if they win a couple games in the College Football Playoff and now you get to Corey Moore back and he starts to roll and putting up 350, 400. Like, what if he goes on this run, right? And all of a sudden you start looking and say, well, it's Mendoza, you know, and, and it's, and is Ty Simpson going back to Alabama maybe that didn't finish as strong as it started and he's had five fumbles, you know, a fumble in each of the last five games. And so what if it's just Mendoza in the first round? And I just did, we just did that mock draft about 10, 12 days ago, Mitch. And it was, it was eye opening and it's always the same deal every year. But I, I figured and I, I did a breakdown. If you, if you follow me on threads@mcshade13. You follow me on, on X, it's @mcshade13. I, I did this whole threads breakdown I think while you're. You were gone with your family of their varying degrees of need at quarterback position. But at the end of the day there are seven teams in the top 11. If the draft was held, it was like 10 days ago that will that need a quarterback. Okay. That would be. They potentially could be in the market for a quarter and there were four or five that were like absolute need quarterback. So with that said, there will be someone in his ear if that all happens. Where would he get drafted versus coming back next year? What if Ty Simpson's in that class and Arch Manning's in that class and Julian saying, who's just rolling right now is in that class and give me more names come. I mean like the list goes on and on. It's. It's Ty Simpson if he goes. If he returns to Alabama, it's Arch Manning. It's Julian saying, it's Sellers, Lenore Sellers.
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Nico Nico if he's at another school too.
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I mean it's just John Matier if he comes back in his thumb and chins got him horns down and rocking and rolling Next year.
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B
Here we go.
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A
But like that class is loaded.
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B
Yeah.
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And two things are important here. One, absolute authority. He's going back to Oregon. So this is all a moot point. Two, absolutely needs to go back. I see sign, you just mentioned one sign from today. I see signs every week. Super talented, very bright future. Will Stein is, needs to be where he is putting his focus and his trust in his belief in for the next 13, 14 months. Because will Stein has a proven track record. Now Bo Nix and Dylan Gabriel and whether they've, they're having great starts to their careers or however you want to classify them, they were far better quarterbacks and not even fucking close.
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B
Not even close.
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I mean not like, like, like, like it was gross watching Bo Nick's tape at Auburn. It was, it was cute watching Dylan Gabriel in his previous two stops. Then they became NFL guys. Right. So with all that said, he's going back, should go back, but it could be a little bit of a tug.
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B
Yeah. I mean because it's, it's. You're just talking. It boils down to the depth of the classes. Right. The deeper the class, the tougher it's going to be to get picked early. The, the, if it's not as deep of a class like it could be this year, it's looking, it's shaping up that it's not going to be the great class that we had hoped it would be. But we're okay with that because we think next year is going to be just incredible. But that aside, if you're looking at this landscape and saying, when do I have a better chance of going early? And it doesn't matter if you're Dante Moore or Tys Simpson, whoever's looking at this as potentially coming out. If none of these other guys come out, then yeah, it just, it's just math that quarterback needy teams are going to take quarterbacks earlier. If you're one of the best quarterbacks and a guy that deserves to go in that range, you put yourself in a great position by coming out with a shallow class. That's just the reality of it. Problem is, and this is what we've talked about a lot is what are you playing for? Are you playing to go early? Are you playing, are, are you setting up your career to have a long term career in the NFL fell and put yourself in the best position to succeed long term. Now the flip side of that is this. There is risk and it should be noted that there is risk that you can lose momentum, that you can, your stock can drop. You can get hurt. There are things that can happen that you could look back on this and say, maybe I should have come out. I understand that and it's something that should be noted. But I don't think that fear or, you know, or the doubt. Fear or doubt should be driving factors in what you're making your decisions based off of. So I mean, I think if you're going to be honest about the whole conversation, that needs to be noted. But again, I think still you go back and put yourself in the best position to have a long career.
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Jeremy Godden, Sellers and Kiffin to lsu. We'll get back to Kiffin in a minute. I do want to before we finish up with the Oregon and usc. This was not the best defensive day for Oregon. You know this is not going to be on Dan Lanning's highlight reel in terms of his successes as a defensive mastermind. Right. But there were big plays and big moments that occurred and there were individual efforts that I would be remiss not to bring up here. I just, I think he's a mid round ish prospect. I don't know that he's elite, but my goodness, is it a hell of a lot of fun to watch Bryce Betcher every single.
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B
Yeah. I mean he flies around.
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The way he plays the game, the effort, the like relentlessness, the, you know, after every play, the swinging the bat. He, you know what he finished the day with? 13 tackles.
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Not surprised. I wouldn't be surprised.
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It was higher and a tackle for loss. But he, and he also had a rushing touchdown.
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B
The Russian touchdown.
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Yeah. On senior day and Dylan Thieman, the safety came in and he's been some up and down in coverage this year and he's going to blow up the combine and I'm sure his stock will rise when he does so. But he had eight tackles and, and a half a tackle for loss. Your boy Mateo Lay. Seven tackles, a sack and then two tackles for loss. Like they're big dudes. Those are their three guys. Right. When we think about the NFL draft with Oregon and their defense, those are.
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Amari Washington had a tip pass on fourth down I think too. I mean he, that was, yeah pass defended.
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He had a half. A half a tackle for loss and four tackles as well. Those are the four dudes. But the, the, the, the three, the Betcher, Dylan T. And Uyanga Lay were like they were, they were. It felt like one of those three was making a play almost every single down for Oregon, so very promising for them. Oregon now is, is in clear you know, clear control seven ranked seventh in the College Football Playoff, beat a really good USC team today. They got at Washington. Washington's playing right now against UCLA. Washington's 7 and 3. So that's not a sneaky game, though. I know it is. I'm just saying they have a clear path, but it does. I didn't say it was an easy path or.
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Yeah, I like Oregon in that game, but man, gonna have to exercise some demons.
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Yeah. And they're gonna have to cut out the penalties and, and just like USC made more mistakes with more turnovers and they didn't have more penalties or more penalty yards. But landings to me, this is like, if we want to really be a legitimate, like make a run at this thing, we're. And we got injuries and we've dealt with all sorts of stuff this year, but we have got to be more disciplined as a football team. And I think that's going to be a real coaching point for this, for this program this week.
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B
For what it's worth, I thought the, I thought the officiating was super inconsistent, but it doesn't, doesn't take away from the fact that Oregon's got a lot to clean up. That doesn't change that.
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Missouri, Oklahoma, anything you like? What I, I kept.
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Well, I was watching it and I'm. And I'm sitting there and I'm thinking this is just. I don't know, I guess I'm an offensive guy. I mean, because if you're a defensive guy, that game was awesome.
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A
Yeah.
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If you're a d. If you love defense, man, if I got the game for you, for me, it was. This is just banging your head against the, the wall. If you're Bo Pribula in the Missouri offense, I mean, they couldn't do anything, I mean, anything against that great Oklahoma defense. And then on the flip side, it was the, it was the John Matier show for Oklahoma and really not a lot else. I mean, the Satina 84 yard catch and run was great. That was a nice play. But I mean, it was punt after punt. I mean, it was, it was not my kind of game. I didn't love that. I don't love that style. And I came out of that game being thinking to myself, man, I really hope Oregon, USC is better than this.
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Yeah. And it was. And it was a lot more exciting. And there were, and there were 69. 69 points in that one to make you happy. But yeah, I mean, I do want to give a little credit to Bo Perbiola for coming back and like fighting through this game and making some plays and doing what he could. He returned after dislocating his ankle four weeks ago. Like modern wild, it's. And then you got one with a, with a, with an ankle falling off and another with a thumb that's barely attached by, by Dr. Shin, you know.
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So you hear Sean McDonough talk about that. By the way, when you have an, when you get your ankle dislocated like that, only, only in 1% of those injuries is the ankle not, not fractured as well. And Pribulose was one of those 1%. I mean, it is a, almost a miracle, you know, that. I mean, that's a little strong, right? But it's, it's really unlikely for him to even be playing football. And there was times that, by the way, like, he looks rusty at times. I thought his receivers could have made some more plays for him. I don't. I thought there was times that, like, there was. His receivers had a chance to make a play for him and they could have gone up and done something. That was a close game. Missouri, you know, if they make a few plays, it could have been more interesting, but they just weren't able to get anything going.
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I'm, I'm just going to break in here because BYU just scored again and, and we'll get to BYU and all that. But I do want to say, like, if, if, if, if I want to get Tommy John surgery. On calling running backs before, before, they.
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B
Just got to see if you saw the numbers.
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National treasures. L.J. martin, when he had a shoulder injury before he even returned. I was telling you NFL scouts that I'm talking to that are running through the building that have brought their, that are starting to type up their reports that are going to run up the ladder from college scout scouting directors to general managers and be passed along the head coaches and offensive coordinators. This LJ Martin guy is, is a dude. And I think, and, and so immediately I go back and I start watching the tape and I told you, like, he's exactly what the NFL is looking for. He is a big, physical back. He can catch the ball even though he's not a huge part of the passing game. He's six two, he's 220. That's what he's listed at. I'm told he's like 232.
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Man looks like Le'Veon Bell says he's.
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A big bad dude and he runs physically and he wears you down. And the more carries you give him, the less defenses want to, want to deal with him. And he's got this movement about him. And I told you, he's got this acceleration off his cuts that's different for backs. His size today he has. And this game's one. Yeah. 56 seconds left. He just got his last carry. It was for a touchdown. Put this game away. 32 carries for LJ Martin, 222 yards and two touchdowns. Also leads the team with 44 receiving yards. That's 266 yards. Total yards of offense for LJ Mark. Have a day, young man.
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B
Yeah.
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I promise you he's going to be one of the top. I shouldn't say I promise you. I believe he's one of the top five running backs in the, in the class. I believe he's got a chance to go day two. Worst case, he goes day he goes fourth round like we saw Scatter Boo and a bunch of really good guys go this past year, right? Bucky Irving was a fourth round pick. Like we've seen. Not a lot of backs go in the first three rounds in this awesome class that had 26 drafted, only six went in the first three rounds. 20 went on day. Day three. That's where running backs go because of positional value. LJ Martin, I don't care if it's in the second round, the third round, or the fourth round, LJ Martin is going to make an NFL team better. And I think he's, he's going to be one of the. The fast as you watch.
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B
I'm with you, man.
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A
I know you are. I know you are. I'm talking to everybody else as we get into like this post draft process or postseason pre draft process, LJ Martin's going to be everyone's darling.
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B
Right?
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A
So I'm glad we got to shed some light on that. Early we were talking about Oklahoma, Missouri. I want, I do want to make this point. I fucking love Oklahoma, man. I just do. Because you know me, I love chaos. I love, I love things that are chaotic. I love it when it's like crazy people are running the asylum and, and Venables is just my cup of tea. I'm an offensive guy by trade, but if I'm going to latch on to a defensive guy, I want it to be a Dan Campbell. I want it to be a Venables. I want it to be guys that are just crazy enough where you think it's chaotic and it is at times, but there's a beauty and a science behind the chaos. And I'm telling you, if your coach is so I'm I'm watching the broadcast and I'm, I think it was McDonough. Yeah, it was McDonough. Like you know they've got to get control on that sideline. I'm watching guy like you know, getting personal foul penalties, late flags and all that stuff. I'm like well if your coach is leading the charge and he's screaming and have to literally be physically held back and not one of those cute get back coaches on the side. I'm talking about grown ass men trying to physically hold Venables back from maybe attacking and assaulting a referee.
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B
Right.
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Well that's probably, that's probably going to trickle down to your players and I'm just telling you I'm here for all of it and I like the trickle down is we our buckle take care of the offense. Okay, Take care of it. And I we got a quarterback with a thumb and we got limitations and we got an offensive line that's not that great and our, and our run game is in the witness protection pro program. If Matier's not running it himself it's a problem. It's a major problem. But I'm just telling you if and I we're both offensive guys but if you're going to latch on to one team that's run by a defensive mind and a defensive maniac, Venables is my kind. Yeah, they just like every week they show up it's the same effort. Our Mason Thomas is their best defensive player. Absolute star. I told you before the injury with the hamstring when he was running it back and carrying a guy who was trying to tackle him for 15, 20, 25 yards and he got the hammy and they're still trying to get him back at the right time and all that that he's turning into maybe the second best pass rusher behind David Bailey Texas Tech in the, in the entire draft class and this class is really good and they've been without him and you know what they've done without him? That he got injured in that Tennessee game. Right?
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B
Yep.
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Three games since man. Tennessee, Alabama and today three takeaways against Tennessee. Three takeaways against Alabama and another two interceptions today and a forced fumble that was recovered by, by Missouri but they still forced it.
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Right.
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A
And so my point is it's not going to be beautiful. It might not be as disciplined as some staunch people want it to be in this but they're just crazy enough to do what they did against Alabama and they're just crazy enough to get into this thing and to knock off a really good team. And I'll tell you what, I just. I wouldn't want to play him. No way they're playing. I just wouldn't want to play this Oklahoma team because Mater has got just enough magic in him. And you give him a few more weeks, right? Yeah. Because they're not playing in the SEC championship game. You give him a few more weeks to get that thing healthy and to take a little rest and take a little strain off his thumb and start working out with his receivers and get back into rhythm. They're just a dangerous team. That's all I'm saying.
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B
I hear you. I'm with you. If they get on a run, they watch out. And that's what this is now, this tournament, this playoff is who's going to get on a run. I know the most talented team in the country won last year. I get that. But they also. Everything started firing on all cylinders for that team. Who's going to do it this year? Who's going to stay healthy and who's going to start getting that momentum going over the course of the playoff run, it feels like.
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It feels like Alabama had a lot of magic going for a minute and then Oklahoma squashed it, but also kind of unearthed some things that were. Felt like kind of undercurrent boiling up. It feels like Ole Miss has been playing a little tight and defensively, the weaknesses keep being put on a platter for us to display each and every week, right?
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B
Yep.
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It feels like A and M for a half against South Carolina. Everything that I've been saying, like, if they're going to get got. I keep saying it's going to be Marcel Reed and then the mistakes and the. Just the. The. The overly caffeinated pocket stuff that I'm seeing. And now all of a sudden. And I'm not putting Oklahoma at the Georgia level. I'm just saying Oklahoma and Georgia appear to be these two programs that, I don't know, four or five weeks ago we had left for kind of dead. It's like, not like, yeah, Georgia keeps winning, but we. All we can say about them is that they're. They're relentless and. What's the word that everyone use?
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B
They're tenacious, whatever.
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A
Yeah, they're resilient. It's the resilient. Oh, but they're resilient, man. And they're gonna. But they were. And they've gotten better now. The two teams I'm really scared of that seem to have this momentum, even though it's not always beautiful. Georgia and Oklahoma. Yeah, that thing's fascinating.
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B
Little old. Little. Little Gunner Stockton might end up going to New York, man. I mean, he might be in New York for the Heisman ceremony. That's crazy to think about.
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A
Does it do the same. Sticking with that game? Does it do the same thing? It probably doesn't. You're an offensive lineman, but you have been scouting. You've been scouting for just about as long as I have. I mean, within minutes of when I started doing this, right. I go back to, like, my 20s. When you. When you're out and you. And there's this beautiful woman walks in, but she also has this confidence about her and a smile and like. Or like, I don't know, like when I see someone break away like Satania did for Oklahoma today, there's, like, tingles that run through my body and then this. And then this jolt of. Let's go find out more. Did you see that run he.
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B
That.
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A
That run after catch for the long touchdown where like, nothing was going for Oklahoma? What tell. What is your physical reaction?
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B
I. I don't know.
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A
I. I just. Some. Something happens when I see that kind of speed. I'm like, oh, there. I can't wait to get to his tape. And like. And, And. And by the way, Burks. Burks, the other receiver is like, absolutely, positively a top 100 pick. Yeah. But Satania's become the guy. Let's not gloss over that.
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B
Right?
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A
I don't know.
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B
I'm not weird like you, but I do get excited about it. You know what I mean?
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A
I'm a little weird, right? I guess. I guess I'm coming to you with a private matter, but I'm doing it.
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B
Well, that's. Well, that's the thing you say. You say that they're crazy. They're talented enough. Man. They're crazy enough. You're right. They're also talented enough. And they've got some guys up front along that offensive line where that offensive line can come together too, man. That they. They are a talented group. That I don't think. And maybe that's what makes them the scare. The scariest thing about them is I don't think Oklahoma's played their best game yet.
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A
No. So they haven't played since Michigan or. Yeah, not since Michigan or Alabama.
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B
I mean, I. I still don't think.
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A
Yeah, but. Yeah. Yeah.
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B
I don't know if they've played their best game yet. And if you think about that and where they are and what their schedule has been, I mean, that's.
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A
I mean, Matteo was 14 of 30 today, man. Yeah.
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B
But they got home run hitters. They've got guys who can make the most of that.
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A
And he also.
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B
I think he had 60 yards rushing on 18 carries. Is that right? It was something like that. I'll look that up to make sure. I'm.
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A
I don't want to.
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B
I don't want another situation where Cincinnati's run defense. But anyways, 18 carries for 60. 60 yards. I mean, that's 3.3 yards per carry. I mean, that offense is tough to watch at times today. I mean, they only had 17 points, but they gutted it out.
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A
I'm not getting carried away in Oklahoma. I'm just saying you give them three weeks off or whatever it is before the first one's the first round of the college football playoffs. Good question. When you. If you give them. I love. I'm just. I'm literally getting texts from December 19th and 20th.
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B
You're getting text about what?
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A
From Penn State folks that just. Yeah.
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B
The big Nebraska win.
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A
No. Well, yes. I'll just read it. The players are going to Craft's office on Monday to demand that Terry's the next coach after today's win.
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B
Dude, my guy, my. My buddy who I went to high school, went with, went to Penn State, is a big Penn State guy who's still involved. All that stuff tells me that it's. I won't name the name that they. He wants, but he said Terry is growing on him. That Terry is. That did. They're starting to get some buzz about Terry.
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A
Well, nothing would be worse for Pat Kraft, the. The AD who's making that decision than. Than that to happen is my. Is. Is my guess slash understanding. Sorry, I. I just couldn't ignore that. So you said December 19th and Oklahoma plays, and Oklahoma is not getting. I mean, you look at the SEC standings, right? Oklahoma's not playing because A and M's undefeated. Georgia's one loss, Ole Miss, one loss. Alabama. No matter how it shakes out, Oklahoma's not playing in the SEC championship game. So next week against LSU on the 29th. So that's 19. How many days are in? So 30 days. So one. So 20 days. That's almost three full weeks. That material would have to get healthy. I'm just saying it's something to keep an eye on, that's all. I just. I just wouldn't want to play Oklahoma in that first game. Or maybe the second one. This episode is brought to you by Duluth Trading Company. The holiday season is not just about R and R. It's about getting things done. That's why Duluth's long lasting durable gear makes for the best gifts for the doer on your list. Imagine hanging light displays with ease thanks to free swinging flannels, exclusive Reach gussets, fire hose work pants so tough Santa swears by him for non stop chimney travel and buck naked underwear that treats your sugar plums with care. This year, gift the right stuff to build, create and do. Shop online and in stores today at Duluth Trading Co. This episode is brought to you by the Home Depot. The Home Depot is here to help you create the perfect game day energy. Whether you're hosting friends in your backyard or turning your living room into the ultimate viewing space, or even hitting the tailgate. Download the Home Depot app and get fast and free delivery on thousands of items plus tons of services, digital tools and guides to help you get your project done. Free Delivery on over 2 million online items subject to availability. See Home Depot.com the Home Depot How Doers get more done this episode is.
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A
All right. I want to bounce around some different things. Just quick hitters. Okay? Jeremiah Love Unbelievable.
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B
Unbelievable.
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A
Like I said it two weeks ago to you Steve. Like I have a Heisman vote. I am not allowed to. I haven't made my Heisman vote. I will wait to the appropriate time. I will do it the day after the final regular season games and that will be next Sunday. Okay? Which reminds me, I got to go do that like Deloitte or whatever it is and make sure that I'm all everything. All the Ducks are in a row, but he comes out eight for 171 yards and three touchdowns. I get it. It's Syracuse. I get it. They won 70 to 7. But this is what I read from the Notre Dame PR team. Jeremiah Love is the third FBS player since 1996 with three touchdowns and 170 yards in eight or fewer carries. Clyde Edwards Allaire did it in 2019 versus Arkansas and Desmond Ritter. Who would have guessed 2020, 2020 against SMU. Everyone's going nuts on social media about just bring this guy to. To New York. If he doesn't go to New York, it's an absolute travesty. My support will be behind him, and I can't tell you in which way or what number of the top three picks I will give him because I'm not allowed to, nor would I break that trust. But he absolutely deserves it. And this is a team that has a good young quarterback but is carried by this young man. And it's great to see because I was worried after that first game against Miami and the number of. The few. Number of touches that he had that this was going to be a season that, like, was a massive disappointment considering the hype coming in. And it's been anything but.
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B
Did you see this wild Heisman factoid? I'm trying to find the list right now as you're talking, but did you know that every year that has ended in five since 1945, a running back has won the Heisman?
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A
I saw something that alluded to. It's that the deal someone says make. Make Jeremiah love this. This year.
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B
Yeah. Maybe not 1945. I should be careful. But it's like some streak of years have ended in five.
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A
The middle of the decade, we just throw in a running back.
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B
Well, Jeremiah and Marcus Allen. Marcus Allen's a running back who won it. Not in one of those years. So he's a guy you should mention. But every other running back has won it, I think, in a year that ends in five.
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A
Wow. So Mark was what wild.
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B
Reggie Bush was. Was 05.05.
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A
Yep. Mark Ingram was 15.
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B
Eddie George was 95.
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A
Holy smokes. That's why.
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B
Right?
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A
I like that. I like that.
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B
It's. That is a. That's one of those things. It's. I mean, I didn't. I didn't come up with it. It was on the broadcast. But it was. I was immediately like, that's. That is interesting to me because why not? Why not? Jeremiah love.
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Yeah. I mean, there's no reason. There's zero reason. And I get it. Like, Julian Saiyan's doing some awesome stuff, and I think he's. He's next. Truly. Like, I. I have a great appreciation for what he's doing and where he's headed. Mendoza has been flat out awesome. Efficient. Like, his. His efficiency and his like. And the plays he's had to make in clutch moments. You know, the Iowa game, the Penn State game.
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Yep.
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Like, absolutely deserves it. But. But I can't imagine why he wouldn't. The Jeremiah Love wouldn't be right there with those guys. Truly has to talk about value on a team that's like right in the middle of the playoff run. Arkansas, Texas 52, 37. I don't get this Texas defense sometimes.
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B
But I, I don't know why that's funny.
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I don't. This year's version of Texas's defense is hard to figure out, you know, but maybe it's not. Maybe it's just not that great a defense. And they have some moments and against certain kind of schemes and against Oklahoma with, with mater reeling coming fresh off of shin surgery for first thumb shins. Thumb surgery that, that they just, they took advantage of that. But at the end of the day, I don't know what the stat line was. I really don't care. It's just some of the, some of the throws I saw like that touchdown throw to make it 38, 20. The scramble and the throw from Arch was just awesome. He's starting to play like a guy that when we look and say, all right, fast forward to this summer, we go down to the Manning camp, we start talking about the quarterbacks for 20, 27. I now can put a stamp on this guy and be like he's tracking in the direction of. He belongs in the first round conversation no matter what the name is on the back of his jersey, who he's affiliated with or anything else. I've start like 389 passing yards today. Is that right?
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389, four touchdowns.
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And I get it. Arkansas's not a. Arkansas head coach got fired. They're 2 and 9, 0 and 7. I get all those things and I get that Texas just, just got beat and, and everyone left him for dead and it was an ugly loss, 35 to 10. I'm not ignoring what happened just seven days ago, trust me. I'm just saying there's some promising stuff there. And I'm also saying A and M is not Ohio State.
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B
No, I actually think that. I really believe the Texas might be favored in that game. I, I can't wait.
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A
I bet you it's out right now. Tucker, why don't you pull that if you don't mind pulling that up for us.
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B
I would not be surprised if Texas is favorite in that game.
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A
I'm at. @fd sportsbook. Let's just give him some love. That's how quickly I pull it up. Hope you didn't see my account, my balance or anything like that.
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B
People are gonna freeze that. Try to figure that out.
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Yeah. Oh, it's not so bad. Started with nothing I got there. Let's see next week. Two and a half. Who's favored?
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B
I got Texas.
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A
They're not favored. But, but it's minus two and a half.
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B
Oh, it's a M. Yeah.
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Which should be. I mean, you got the three loss team versus undefeated, but, but yeah, Dan, Dan concurred. Two and a half. A M. Minus two and a half in Austin. You got a three loss team coming off 35 to 10.
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I know. I just, I don't know.
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A
No, no, no, I, I hear what you're saying. You, you would have Texas favorite. Is that what you're saying?
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You're right though. I, you know what I, the better way of saying this is I get why, I get why the Aggies are favored and I've loved the Aggies all year. I got a feeling about Texas though. I, I mean this, this is a game that I could see Texas winning.
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So keep that all in mind. Okay. Keep that all in mind when we have the discussion with the TMS top 12. Okay. But I do want to get a stat line because he was completing like 13. It was, it was 18 for 30.
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480. No, 389 yards, four touchdowns and 13.
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Yards per attempt, man.
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B
Yeah.
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Every time I looked, they were driving it down the field. Parker Livingston, long of 54, Mosley 30, DeAndre Moore 46. Jack Andries, the tight end, long of 35, Wingo 22. Like these mothers were there at Livingston. Well, Livingston had two catches. He averaged 52 a catch. Mosley averaged 20, Wingo averaged 13 and a half. That was a bad day. DeAndre Moore averaged 25. Andries averaged 24.5. Like, I don't know. I, I'll just be interested, I'll be interested to see how that game goes because I, I, I.
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Four receivers.
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Is Georgia that good right now? Is Georgia that good right now? Or is Texas just up and down? Or is Texas just good against inferior? I, I just can't wait to see it. I guess the bet, the best thing I can say right now is I legitimately am excited for that game because I think I can see either side win. I can see the strengths and the weaknesses. But I think Texas is honestly just as good as A and M. And Fanduel is telling us they basically are.
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Yeah.
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And so let's, in the State of Texas rivalry game, like, what's better after Thanksgiving weekend could get chippy. It could get chippy. Kansas State at Utah wild game over. 1100 yards. Lander Barton. Congrats to him game ceiling interception. Awesome career. Awesome player. My spotlight player of the game in that one was not from the winning team.
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Nope. Shoes rushing yards in the first half.
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Joe Jackson had 293 rush yards in this game. He finished with 313 total yards of offense. And like, super impressive. Right. What was more impressive was his stat line at the half. Shoeless Joe had 10 carries for 236 yards and two touchdowns. I saw it on a, on an X post because I was watching, like watching bits and pieces with other games. Yeah, I saw it in an X post. Came back to the game and he wasn't doing much in the second half. He was doing something, but not like that. And so I had to go look in the box score. I'm like, yeah, he did 10 for 236 and 2. I don't know that I've ever, I can remember a stat line like that for a running back.
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B
Not at that level.
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No.
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B
Not in that. No.
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So that was awesome to watch. But I also, as I'm watching that, I'm like, get Utah out of here, man.
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B
That offensive line is awesome. But still, get Utah out of here.
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Utah wins. 51, 47. It was unbelievable the, the comeback that they made. Unbelievable running ability.
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They had to return, a two point conversion they hit. That's part of the deal.
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That was like, it was one of the most entertaining, exciting, most fun. Oh, you talked about how boring the Missouri game was. You talked about some of, like, some of the tough football there was to watch today. This was the exact opposite. It was. I said over 1100 total yards of offense. I know. Yeah. What? Yeah, it was 574 for Kansas State, 555. So 11, 20, 11, 25 in total offense. And, and, and the run by Dampier at the end of the game, like.
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A fourth and one, a fourth and.
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One through for two touchdowns. Ran for two more. Go ahead. One yard with 56 left. Like it was just, it was an awesome game to watch.
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Yep.
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And I have the utmost respect for what they do. I've spent time out there. Like I, I really, I, I have a great deal of respect for that program, but get out of here because I'm. And we'll get to us to a second because there's this team that's not even going to be in the ACC championship game that I had left for dead and most of the country had left for dead. And I'm watching them today in Virginia Tech. Sucks. I get it. Virginia Tech's not any good. And the score says 34, 17. But they put it on Virginia Tech on the road. James Franklin's announced like the. The place is packed. It feels like this is a perfect spot for an upset, right? And Carson Beck comes out and he. Listen, he was dealing early in the season. Then he had those interception run that Mensch was, right. He got to the front end of it, mentioned one of the interceptions come. They come in bunches and they did, man. And then on top, the compounding injury of it, he's going in press conferences and he's ratting out his receivers, he's ratting out his coordinator and the play call, like all of it. But then all of a sudden, quietly, Carson Beck regroups and Malachi Tony apparently was allowed out of witness protection. Malachi 12 for 146 with a touchdown today. Best freshman in college football. Yeah, Carson Beck completed 80% of his throws, man. 27 of 32, 320 yards, four touchdowns. I'm watching Miami and I get it. You don't. It's not all eye test and it's not all about NFL prospects and it's not about this and that and the other thing. And there's got to be a. An element, a strong element of strength, of record and have you earned it? And all of that. But at the end of the day, the College football pit committee, the playoff committee, the CFP, that committee, its job is to determine the 11 best teams, five of five of which. The 11 best teams. Right. Four of which now are offered by conference champions. And those will be decided next. Next Saturday. And one is the group of five, which they also have to make a decision. But it's, you know, to rank one of the highest ones and we can get into that. The things that. Absolutely. Total disaster and mess. I don't even have the update of some of the scores right now, but it's. You're looking at. I can't even lick my fingers. Jmu, jmu, Navy, Washington State. Today, San Diego State. It's Tulane in North Texas. And then jmu, Navy and San Diego State are kind of the ones. But two lane. Two lane. One today, right? Yeah, they 3713 over Temple. That's right. So it will be two lane again in that spot. So we got one more week to see how that all plays out. But my point is the College Football Playoff committee, as we transition right now to the TMS top 12.
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B
Here we go.
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Committee's job is to essentially, with five spots being predetermined, if you will, by conference champions, and you got to Take the best group of. Group of five. They've got seven spots to fill by their rankings. Okay.
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B
Okay.
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And let's go through them. Let's. Let's start the exercise. And Tucker, you can throw up the. Everyone won, right? Everyone in the top 10 was either idle or one. Ohio State blows out Rutgers. Indiana didn't play. A and M. Samford. Give me a break. Georgia, Charlotte. Give me a break. Texas Tech. Idol. Ole Miss. Idol. Oregon, nice win against USC. Notre Dame, 70 to 7. Stop it. Oklahoma, nice win against Missouri even though offensively it was challenged. Alabama, Eastern Illinois. Stop it. But this is always the week. This is always the week where there's like a lull before the calm, before the storm. Everyone's getting ready. It's Thanksgiving, and we get these, like, fresh Friday and Saturday, and it's a while. And then we get the point. Like, it's just. This week gets chaotic on all fronts. At home, family, friends, games. Friday, Saturday, college football selection. All of a sudden you wake up Monday and you're like, whoa. Like, dizzy. Get like, brace yourself.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So you look at this and you. And you see, that was. So. That was our. That was our top 12. That was our top 12 from last week. But I want Ohio State, Indiana, A M, Georgia, Texas Tech were the top five last week in the College Football Playoff. Ole Miss, Oregon, Oklahoma and Notre Dame and Alabama.
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B
That.
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That rounded out the top 10. Then this is where my problem is. BYU at 9 and 1. And I get it, it's one loss. But, like, this is where I need the committee this week. Because this week is so critical, man, because there's going to be a lot of shakeups at Texas plays Texas A and M and Michigan plays Ohio State and, and. And all the. Georgia, Georgia Tech. That one really have an influence. I'm just trying to think of, oh, Ole. Mrs. Ole Miss with all the kiffin stuff, all that stuff.
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Right.
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But this is the week coming up where you get a real sense and if. And if one of these teams isn't playing someone important, how do you move them up or down? This is the week I'm charging the committee with. Let's. Let's look at the big picture.
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B
Let's get real.
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A
Let's actually get real this week. And I think for the most part, they. They've done a good job, but I think they're missing the boat on the Big 12. The Big 12 is just not. They're just not. The ACC is a mess, and they've recognized that and they've gotten the best team up there ahead of some of the others. You know, Georgia Tech with it was 9 and 1. Miami was 8 and 2. I applaud them for that. Well, let's get BYU and Utah out of here. They don't belong because Miami might be good enough. Right. And then I've got this scenario that's, that's kind of wild in the sec. A and M, Georgia, Ole Miss, Oklahoma and Bama could all be in this week.
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B
Yep.
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A
And even if Texas beats A and M, A and M's in, right?
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B
Yes.
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No matter what Georgia point, Georgia takes care of Georgia Tech. Georgia's in regardless. Ole Miss is in regardless. Right. I mean, they are. They're 10 and 1 in the SEC. Yes, they'd be 10 and 2, but you'd like to secure that and make sure you. You have the best possible spot and you have a buy or if. No, it won't be a buy if you have a home game, I should say.
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Right.
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Yes. Oklahoma is the team. Where's Oklahoma? Why am I blanking right now?
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B
Where's Oklahoma? For what?
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A
Oklahoma.
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B
Lsu Is that you were looking for LS lsu.
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So Oklahoma said the big question was are they getting five? The answer is yes.
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B
Right.
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A
My question is, should they not get six? And here's what I'm going to tell you, all right? Vandy's ranked 14 behind these two frauds, BYU and Utah. If I'm telling you right now, Ohio State, Indiana, Texas A and M, Georgia, Texas Tech, Ole Miss, Oregon, Oklahoma, Notre Dame and Alabama are all in. Alabama wins the Iron bowl. All in. That's 10 teams. One of those two remaining teams is going to group of five, which is a. An absolute farce. But it is what we have right now. And I've already started the campaign and I'll lobby for it harder later.
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I can't. Yeah, okay, I hear you.
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A
This is a year where they just don't deserve to have one. So we should have a Miami and the six best SEC team, but we.
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B
Correct.
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A
So one other team gets in. Right now it looks like it would be Miami, but Vanderbilt plays Tennessee. Vanderbilt is ranked 14th, one spot behind Miami. Vanderbilt has had some ups and downs, but Vanderbilt's nine and two, bud.
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B
They're fun to watch.
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Their losses are to Texas, which sits at 20 right now, but is going to be in the top 15, I'm going to guess after this week, maybe top 16. And Alabama and they go play Tennessee, which is ranked 20th this week. But it's. We're going to move up probably in the top 17 because when you start looking at these like Georgia Tech loss, they're out. USC lost. So 15. USC lost, they moved back. Georgia Tech 16 lost. They moved back. You're telling me Tennessee at 20 doesn't move up?
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B
No, they do. And then if Vanderbilt wins at 10.
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You'Re telling me that Texas is 17. So I'm telling you we, we're going to have three teams that are ranked somewhere in the top 16, somewhere from 13 to 16 in Vanderbilt, Vanderbilt, Texas and Tennessee that all get opportunity. Texas goes and beats Texas A and M at home was two and a half point dogs at home. How do you leave them out? There are three lost team byu, I get it. They're going to be oh, oh, we got ch. When it's all said and done, we think they're going to have two losses, be two loss.
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B
That's what we think. Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And I was talking about the selection, the selections that following Sunday. Obviously, I'm, I'm getting crazed. But in the next two weeks all this happens. I should say. But my, my point is BYU gets knocked out. Utah needs to go away. And I just think that, I think Miami. Here's my point in this week's tms, it's got to stay kind of the same with Ohio State one, Indiana two A&M three. Right. You good with Georgia four?
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B
100%.
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Texas Tech five. No movement. Six is old miss. Right. No movement.
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B
Yep.
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A
Seven remains Oregon. That's a good win. Yeah, it's a real good win.
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B
You could argue them at five.
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A
I don't, no, I'm not ready. Not with their injuries of receiver, not. I, I'm not ready. I'm cool with them at seven.
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B
I hear you. I, I, that, yeah, I would have them at 5. I think they're more of a complete team, but okay.
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A
Then Texas Tech.
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B
And at the very least put him up ahead of Ole Miss. I mean, for the reasons we've talked about that defense is vulnerable. I lose. You. You're just thinking. You're deep in thought or what?
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A
I'm just thinking. I, I don't, I think, Listen, let's.
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B
Just, let's stop messing around with the, the order of this. We all agree, we both agree. Ohio State, Indiana, Texas A and M. Georgia, Texas Tech, Ole Miss, Oregon, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Alabama are in the top 10.
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A
Correct? Yes. This is where I want, this is where I want to be perfectly clear. Yeah, I want.
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B
You want Miami and another SEC team. You're not going to get it because the, the, the rules won't let you have it. So you're going to get the at large. Who are you taking it as your 12 team? That's what I want to know. Your TMS. TMS top 12 will be different. We're having two different conversations.
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A
Your team. I want Miami. I want Miami. It. I want Miami and Texas at 11 and 12.
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B
Yeah, I want for the TMS top.
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A
12 for the TMS 12. I would want Miami and Texas and then I would have my. I mean, I get it. Texas has three losses, but one was through Ohio State. No one's beaten Ohio State. The other, Florida was a bad loss. I can't. I can't. And Georgia was a bad loss. So, yeah, they don't deserve to be up there. But how do I put Vanderbilt ahead of Texas? I just want there to be a clump is my whole point. I want there to be a clump from 11 down of Miami, Vanderbilt, Texas and Tennessee. And I want the Utah schools out of here. Okay, so 11, 12, 13, 14 needs to buy Miami, Vanderbilt, Texas and Tennessee. And it really doesn't matter what order, to be honest with you, it doesn't matter what order because it's going to get sorted out because Tennessee and Vanderbilt play next week and Texas plays A and M. Texas loses a fourth game. I don't care if it's by a point, nine overtimes, they're out. Texas beats A and M. They got to be in. And you said, well, no, Todd, they don't because BYU is not. But BYU is going to lose to Texas Tech. The only thing that throws a whole. This whole thing into it shambles. And it makes for a miserable month of December and early January. That month from the 19th to the national championship game is absolutely miserable. If I've got two lane BYU and then Texas Tech is the loser of the Big 12. Championship. Championship. I'm out. I'm not doing live shows. I'm on your draft.
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B
You're so dramatic.
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A
You're. I'm on to the draft. I'm onto the draft.
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B
You're a drama queen. Come on, it's not that bad.
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A
So who.
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B
But you're not answering my question. I got the TMS top 12. We agree on it. I'm with you 100% with you. I, I could argue Vanderbilt versus Texas, but you're right. Just give me the clump. And we got to make a decision on who the top 12 are going to be. And, and I, like, you think it should be Texas. I really do believe that. And it's. You could throw out all the records. We can do we could do the circular. Yeah.
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A
No, I want Texas at 12. I want Miami. I want Texas at 12. And Vandy, you can. Vandy or Tennessee. Go win your way in because either Texas is going to win its way in with a win against A M or Texas is going to lose and the winner, it becomes this little bracket thing.
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B
Or maybe Michigan sneaks in. I like, I can't again.
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A
No, I can't. I can't do, I can't do Michigan. I can't do Michigan. I can't.
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B
All right, so we got the TMS top 12.
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A
Yes. Ohio State with two losses. Yes. You have to let them in. But I just like I, that team.
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B
Season, the season ended today. You got, you got to figure out who that 11th team is before the play in, before the, the, the, the team that you just can't stay in the at large. Are you going with Miami or Texas?
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A
If I'm, if I had to guess which one it will be. No.
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B
Who do you want? Who do you want in the playoffs right now?
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A
Right now.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Better ball is Texas.
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B
Yes, it is. Right? Better ball. Miami look good today, man. Miami looked great today, but dude.
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A
But against Virginia Tech. The ACC's a joke. Yeah. Texas.
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B
Texas.
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A
This is to my point.
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B
Or Vanderbilt. I would say even Vanderbilt.
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A
No, I'm cool with Vanderbilt. I'm cool with Vandy. And guess what? I'm cool with Tennessee. If Tennessee beats Vanderbilt and there's a spot. Yeah, I don't think that they, I, then, then I'm, then I get rational. If it's Tennessee, then I'm like, okay, pump it a little. Maybe it is Michigan. If, But Michigan would have to beat Ohio State and that changes the whole landscape.
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B
You know what really sucks?
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A
What is it?
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B
Your. And I want to say our, at this point, USC Trojans. If they didn't have that shitty start to the Illinois game, they'd be in the mix here. Their only losses would be to Notre Dame and Oregon. They would be right in the mix to get in there. And I think they're a really good freaking football team and like the fact that Illinois game, that Illinois game, dude.
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A
No, I know. I, I, I do know that, but I also think. But you can't.
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B
They're not in it. They're just.
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A
The reality is the Iowa win was too much of a struggle.
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B
Dude, that Iowa team played Indiana tough. I mean, No, I, I get it.
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A
No, you're right. You're right.
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B
That's a good Iowa team.
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A
It is. They've made a lot of progress. They're Just a tick behind what I was hoping that they would develop into. You're right. This Washington team, as I watch him a little bit, just. Just Jed Fish is going to have something up his sleeve. It's going to be interesting. It's going to be a war.
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B
There's some mental history. There's some trauma there.
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A
And I promise you one. Yeah. All right.
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B
We got the TMS top 12. We got who you want the playoff. You got.
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A
You mentioned it earlier.
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B
You got anything on Kiffin? Any thoughts? You want to hold it? You want. You're going to keep in the barrel or you got something.
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A
No, there's nothing to keep in the barrel. We're not going to find out until next Saturday. So anything between now and then is speculation. We had while you were gone. I brought on that. I brought on Bruce Feldman on Monday. He was awesome, Right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
He said by the time. By the time this posts. By the time you get the. Tucker gets this. Yeah. And running. And Tucker got it up fast. And I. I think we beat. I think we beat the news by like an hour or something. But.
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B
Right. That was.
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A
Right. So he knew that I. There's no.
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B
You're talking about James Franklin of Virginia Tech was what Feldman was talking about with the news.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Sorry.
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A
Yeah. James Franklin at Virginia Tech. And the news came out, you know, like an hour later, probably two hours after we taped. And he was just really. It was really cool, like going the whole landscape and all the different things. Side note on all of it that I think is fascinating. I don't think Florida has a backup plan. Like a real one.
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B
I kind of love that.
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A
And I don't think Ole Miss has a backup plan if Kiffin's gone. And I don't think LSU has an awesome backup plan. So now you've got three major SEC programs. Like three of the most. Let's say three of the hottest guys. Not. Not the hottest, but three of the best catches in the room. Three of the six or seven best catches in the room are all counting on one girl to pick them. You know.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then all of a sudden these two, like really eligible bachelors have a lot to offer are like, I can't go the dance. Like, I don't. I. I gotta now what I gotta go. Like. But every. Because everyone else. So. And it will start to trickle down there. But like. Like Eli Drinkwits. Like, great. I guess people just view him in a higher regard than I. Jesus. I know. I get myself in trouble all the time. Especially this late at night.
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B
Can I Say this.
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A
Yes, I. I do have some stuff on it, but go.
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It kind of dampens all the love and momentum that I think Given's built at Ole Miss in terms of, like, turning his career around. And this may be, you know, I'm turning his career around, but, like, improving his image and I think being healthier, I. Having a healthier image. I would say after all the stuff that went down to Tennessee and then, you know, the whole thing, he. I thought he's really done a great job rehabbing the image. And you'd like to think this is a business. It is what it is. He's got to do what's best for his family. And I don't blame him or criticize him at all for exploring options. He should have 100% do that. This whole thing of, you know, the families going and touring schools. I think the timing sucks. You have the number six team in the country, and you want these kids to realize it's a business, that the NIL has changed things and you got to realize. And you hope they're all mature enough to handle it that way. But the timing of it sucks that you have the number six team in the country at a school that has historically not competed for championships and has a real chance to make a run here. And we're waiting to find out whether or not the guy who's coaching that team is going to be coaching that team next year. And that just.
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On Monday, I thought he was going back to Ole Miss. I. On Monday, I thought he was going back to Ole Miss. I. I no longer think that's the case. I think he will be the next head coach at lsu. I do want to say this, though, and I. I want to. Just hear me when I say this. I don't think he's made a decision. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want you to really hear that. I don't think Lane has actually made a final decision. I think he is. Unfortunately, it's public, and unfortunately, it's Lane, and he kind of can't help himself with some things. And I think. I know he. Family matters more to him now than it ever has in his life. His hit, his wellness, and the things he's done to get to where he is, not only to be the best version of himself. And I speak honestly, Honestly, I. I speak on this subject because I've had to go through some things and get to where I am.
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It's fair to. It'd be fair to say you can relate.
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And my new family and. And the People and. And the. The. I can absolutely relate what the d. A little bit of a difference between me and Lane is. I think Lane views things a little bit different than me, but has the same new appreciation for life and family and the people around him and building this. This. This wall up around of. These are the ones that are in, and these are the ones that. It's just. It's okay. But I can have a lot of fun because I'm. I know who I am. I know what I am. Like, I'm live. I'm actually who I. Who I've always been. But I know I now know who I am. And I'm free to be as crazy or stupid or funny or not funny or whatever I want to be because I'm good. Because I don't care about the money, and Lane truly doesn't care about the money. I don't care about any of the fame. You and I will have offers to take this show and go do things for bigger broadcast. Like, it's not like we're going to do what's best for you and for your family and for me and for my family. And it's real easy when you have that clarity as a human being to insulate and decide. But part of that family and part of what he's giving back out is the love that he has for his players. And so when. When he has some kind of awkward interviews and it looks like he's like. I sat in Nick Saban's office with Mike. Mike Godfrey once before. He was taking that Miami Dolphins, and I saw how uncomfortable Nick was, and I didn't know Nick back then. I saw his toe tapping incessantly, trying to kind of avoid questions because he knew what he was doing, but he didn't want anyone. And so everything in the. And, like, his desk is shaking and all that. And I'm like, this. He's. He's going. These rumors. He's going like, he's.
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He.
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He can't. He can't physically hold in what's going on mentally. Right? Yeah. And I think. I think with Lane, what we're seeing is he wants so desperately. And this is the part that I. That I hope people appreciate for all the shenanigans and the antics and the tweets and the posts and all that stuff. He wants so desperately for this time to be about the players. And so when he's looking, you know, like, you just watch him on, like, McAfee, bring in the running back, and it's almost like he's Doing this magic show to, like, not really answer the question that everyone wants to ask.
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Right.
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He's eluding it because it's not. Because he knows what he's doing. I think he has all the information. I think his agent has been running this thing, and I think his family is checking things out because it's very important to him that no matter what the decision is, at the end of the day, because he's. When you're at that level, people report back to you. So my agent has got to come in with the financial package. And part of the financial package that's bigger than it's ever been before is what is my allotment, who's making this, the decisions, who's helping me? And he's got a guy. I can't remember his guy. He's got a guy that was at CAA and with Under Armour. I forget his name and I apologize for it right now. That has been so integral. Integral in getting the players there. They've started, like, almost, you know, like, we talk about Nagy with Oklahoma. Like, it's this guy who kind of handles the money and how we're gonna, you know, manage this whole thing. So what does that all look like? If it is at Florida, if it is at lsu, and. And honey, my. My. My wife, who was my ex wife and now is my wife, like. But family is now the most important thing to me in the world, and my kids are part of this. And he messaged me a clip from his son doing the. Who's in high school. Knox is doing it with another one of the coach's sons, and they're doing a. Like a podcast. And he's just proud of it all. Like, I. I got Tate coming in and doing 152 or 156 days till the NFL draft. Get to a point. You just don't care about what the perception is, what it's supposed to look like, all of that. You just care about the things you care about, and the things you care about are actually, for the first time in your life, the things that matter. So Elaine's trying desperately to make this special time in these young man's lives the most special thing it can be. And so he's having his family and people that matter to him go out and ask the questions that need to be asked and handle all these things so that a decision can be made. But he's giving his players the respect in this program and everyone involved in it, the respect of, we've got a game plan. We've Got the Egg Bowl. These players are what matter. They've given me everything. I'm going to give them everything back now. What I can't tell you is what he and his children and his wife and Right those conversations. But I, I truly believe that he is not going to allow a decision, a final decision to be made until he has given these players everything that he has. So, yeah, there might be pillow talk or hey, Dad, I love this place. Or hey, we. This is the financial. Okay, hold on to all of it. I've got to do this with my, my guys. And then, and then when we're done with that, then we know what, we know what it looks like. We know if there's an sec, I don't think there's gonna be an SEC championship game, but we know where, where the. Everything will be settled after the Egg bowl. And that's why he can give a promise to the people at Miss it. Ole Miss. We can talk about it then. It is dragging on. I have been on McAfee a couple times. I'm going on all these national shows. It's starting to get a little awkward. There are reports about the planes flying here and there. It's just not. It's not good externally. But I promise you internally, I'm doing what I, what you're paying me to do, and that's to be the head man here. So.
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And they.
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He has.
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Him and his family have every right. They've. I mean, they've earned that right to explore all these options.
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And he also has the right. He has the right as the most coveted man in football. He has the right because he's earned the right by getting his life back in order, by committing everything he has to this into his like to making sure he's the best version of himself so that every single player that walks through his office and through his locker rooms gets the best version of him. And we're seeing it, I told you, in week four or five, this is the best version of Lane I've ever seen from a coaching perspective, from a leadership perspective, from a confidence, self awareness and, and from an X's and O's in the ways he's transforming that offense from, excuse me, from the west coast of USC to the FAU stuff to the zone reads, to the high tempo, to the slow it down, thoughtful tempo. Jackson dart. He's learning. Let's go a little more pro pro concepts of the west coast and mix it into what we were doing. Oh, Jackson's gone. Trinidad Chambliss, Division 2 come on in. Let's integrate a lot of this different stuff. We're not going to be as a complex passing game, but we can. But we're not going to be as crazy. And you can only do that kind of stuff at the highest level if you have got everything together in your life and he's finally got that. So I don't think he's made his final decision. I think deep down he knows what he's doing, but I don't think he's given it, like, if people think he's given it 10% of thought, I think he's probably given it like 2. But I think everyone in his life that matters, just like I would have everyone in my life that matters, including you and your wife and your children. If we were to make a decision like this to go where, whatever, I'd have Iris in the kid and, and Marissa, and, and everyone would go out and figure out, okay, what are the options? Look at it. What are we comfortable, what not. And then let's talk about it, you know, but it ain't going to be this week. I think that's where we are.
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Good. That makes me feel better about the situation, to be honest, you know, and it is, it is interesting to get your perspective.
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But again, I, I, I, I, I do think it's going to be lsu, and that's more, that's.
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But at the end of the day.
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I'm trying to give people insight to what's really going on. Okay.
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And it's going to be Lenora Sellers. Right. Because Jeremy Godden said.
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I didn't, I didn't. You're not going there. Yeah. And speaking of which, while we're here, I do apologize to everyone. And Mensch was gone. Mensch leaves in this and everything turns, everything falls apart. I promise to be transparent with everything that's going on. And I'm not like, I, I really not don't want to get into a lot of detail because it's, it's my mom and it's a personal issue and, but she had a health issue this week, found out about it Sunday night, had to be there. Did the show Monday morning, taped it, trying to get all the information. Had to fly out to Cincinnati. And I can't thank the folks at the UC Medical Hospital. They're right on campus, right there. Thought about transferring her. Have CEOs of other hospitals and all, like a lot of good connections and people that outpour and reach and grateful for everyone who was involved that helped support my mom through this. But the people at. @ UC Medical were awesome, and she has made like. I. I was worried. I lost my mom this week, and it was. It was punishing. It was hard. But to see where she's come from, that in the last, like, 72 hours has been awesome. It's been a miracle. So I'm appreciative of being here. I'm glad you're back, Mensch. It just didn't feel right without you. I'm appreciative for Dan and for Connor and for Tucker and for everyone here that just, like, literally couldn't even get the sentence out. Like, go, you know, we'll figure it all out. And the end of the day, it's just football. And I'm just appreciative for everyone here in this chat and everyone who's. Who's been a part of this. And, like, you know, when you go through stuff like this kind of plays off of what I was just saying. You. You got to be the dumbest mother and mother effort in the world to not, like, take a step back and realize how important the people you love are. And, like, I love the people we work with. I obviously love my family more, but. But, like, I just. To be able to come back to this and for it to feel like home and to actually want to sit at this table versus somewhere else doing previous jobs and all that, it would be, like, torturous. And I couldn't wait to. You know, this is like, I'm home, you know, my kids are sleeping, you know, and I'm on with you. And I get Dan and Tuck and get all these people here that, like, have been with us from day one, you know? Yeah, so. So this is. This is home. And it makes you realize and appreciate, especially the holidays coming up and flying back out there on Tuesday with the whole family going out to be with her, and hopefully we get her home and. And we're figuring out what that looks like, but she's making an awesome recovery and just.
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Thank God.
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Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. So I just wanted to share that because I. I don't want there ever be weirdness, like, why there's no show on Wednesday or Thursday. What's going on? So kind of trying to be an open book here, but, yeah, different. Different week, the different Saturday of games, different conversation and places we went, wound up going. But last thought, Mensch, what do you got?
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I mean. I mean, I don't. I don't even really. There's not much to say after that. I mean, I will say this. That I was, I, I took this time with my family to go away and it was a really important trip for us and Todd's got all this stuff going on. I didn't hear one word. I didn't know any of it was coming back until I got back. I. And the support that I got in a very different way from the people that we work with and all the people I work with even at other places, the support I got in terms of getting away and really spending this time with my family was incredible. And the fact that I was just again, the support and knowing in very, very drastically different ways, but to feel that and to know that you're part of a place that really sees you kind of as a family is. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. And when I did get back and I heard about what was going on, I was, you know, obviously shook and I'm just glad that things seem to be going in the right direction, you know.
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Yeah, they really are and I appreciate it. And, and, and it's been long overdue with you that being able to like get away and actually go and spend time with your family and to, to do it and in a good style and like, so that, that was hugely important to me and obviously, you know, much more so to you and your family was just to make sure that you had that time away. And there was no poll because you have grinded on this thing for two and a half decades and, and you know, you, you and your family deserve it and there's a lot more to come and I'm excited for it. So as hey, as Saints chair say, yeah, it's early but, but it is five stars. Wasn't a five star day. Maybe wasn't a five star star show, but it just feels like five stars. So thank you everyone. We will. We'll see you. We're back here on Monday. We're excited to get things rocking and rolling again. We've got the show, we've got the the truth show and we just got a lot to cover. I feel like in college football. So excited for it. And men, as always, you're five stars too, brother. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here, visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.
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