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Pat McShay
It's a special edition of the McShay Show Rivalry Weekend and we're live and the whole gang is here. You've got myself, you've got Dan, you got Connor, you got Tucker behind the scenes. You got mention his new green hat. He's getting ready to be draft Santa soon. And you've got the chat live with us. And it just doubled in size in a matter of 30 seconds. Men. And the.
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Dan Comber
Let's go.
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Pat McShay
Matt Matus is there holding it down. Cole Marie doesn't have anything better to do and I love it. What's better to do on a. On a Saturday with Ohio State, Michigan? You got H. H is in the.
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Dan Comber
House and always trade backs at the Iowa State game. He's still in the chat.
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Pat McShay
ATB's there?
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Dan Comber
Yeah, he's. He's at the game and he's still. He's still here on the chat.
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Pat McShay
All right, then I'm here and you're here. And you know what, men? We got some Lane Kiffin stuff to get to. We got Ohio State's huge win. We got a Texas up update of the team in the country. And we got 145 days until the NFL draft. And I can see it on your face, but I'm going to ask you anyway. Men, you good? I'm good, man. This is the MCJ show, presented by FanDuel. And college football Saturdays are heating up. Whether you're in for the early kick or the late night action, FanDuel lets you bet your way with the same game parlays, live betting game props and more. And Missouri, get excited because FanDuel is coming your way on December 1st. Download the app or head to FanDuel.com McShay and make every Saturday count. Must be 21 and older in present select states or 18 and older in present in DC, Kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit rg-help.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit CCP Do Cap in Connecticut. Roll my favorite beat Tuck. Man, I'm fired up. We got the Christmas tree this morning. I got a wreath so big that now I don't know where to fit it on the house because it doesn't. Yeah, we get here by 11 o'. Clock. I get showered and dressed. I get all four kids running around going crazy. You'll probably hear them screaming. Apparently there's some kind of live thing going on with some video game. I don't even know what I'm allowed to say or not say anymore. Fortnite. Some Fortnite. Live something. So I'm trying to grab them downstairs. I got two screens going in the, in the living room. And when we're done with this, I'm gonna go right back down for the 3:30 games for the Iron Bowl. And you know what, men? Maybe, just maybe during your 30th reunion tonight, I might be giving you a call and you might have to sneak out to the bathroom or you might have to sneak on onto the Andover field. I don't know where you're going to do it, but if there's something we got to get to after the Iron bowl in these 3:30 games, we're not going to miss it. And we'll be right back here for just a little bit, but we'll see. But what I want to do now, we got a lot to cover. You could feel the energy on this show because we are here. And there's urgency. There's urgency with college football. There's urgency. College football playoff looming and there's urgency with some of this, this coaching stuff going on. And I want there because Ohio State, Michigan just finished and we will get to that in moments. And we got a lot to talk about from Texas, Texas A and M last night. This episode is brought to you by the Home Depot. The Home Depot is here to help you create the perfect game day energy. Whether you're hosting friends in your backyard, turning your living room into the ultimate viewing space, or even hitting the tailgate. Download the Home Depot app and get fast and free delivery on thousands of items plus tons of services, digital tools and guides to help you get your project done. Free Delivery on over 2 million online items subject to availability. See Home Depot.com the Home Depot how doers get more done. But this Lane Kiffin situation is fascinating. And I am not a, I'm not a reporter. I do not do the multiple sources thing. Like, I try to stay out of that as much as I can because I learned early on in my career, stay in your lane.
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Dan Comber
Right?
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Pat McShay
That's the important thing. Stay in your lane. And we got a pretty damn good lane and we love living in it. Okay? But I've gotten to know Lane kind of well and, and throughout the years, 25 years, I've gotten to know who Lane is and I've seen the, the evolution of Lane Kiffin. And I feel like I'm uniquely qualified in that kind of a, a, a remodeling of life, which I have had and Lane has had and, and very publicly, you know, you go through certain things and, and you have down times and then, and then if there's a strength within, you're able to pick yourself self up off the mat, kind of refocus, change your ways, still be the best version of yourself and move forward. And that's what we've seen with Lane Kiffin. But still lying within this Lane Kiffin character, a buddy of mine, is the circus that surrounds. And it's part of the beauty of him. He loves trolling people. He did it on the field yesterday. Whether the, whether the young man called him a hoe or didn't call him a hoe, I'm not here for all of that. But it's. Last night around 11:30, I get a text from, from somebody who has been a, a source, if you will, to try to keep us informed throughout, on the show and throughout my career. And, and somehow they, they. I'm just going to lay it out right. Lane Kiffin, it's, it's highly publicized that he had the meeting last week with Ole Miss. He wanted to coach this week. And a decision is to be made today on Saturday, November 29. Is he staying at Ole Miss or is he leaving for other pastures? Let's not say greener because it's hard to say what's greener in college football these days. We know that LSU has a strong desire to make Lane Kiffin its next head coach. We know that Florida had a strong desire to make Lane Kiffin its next head coach. It has been widely reported. And I got that same information last, actually, I got it two days ago. Florida's out, right? Yeah. They like to get ahead of the, the news and say, you know, we're no longer, you know, in the, the Lane Kiffin sweepstakes because they knew that they were no longer. That Lane had.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, it's the, you can't fire me. I quit. It's, you know what I mean? Like, that's what are we doing here?
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Pat McShay
And I, I also find it interesting that if you kind of dig deep, and I'm sure everyone in SEC country knows this, right? But if you dig deep on, dig deep on it, that Layla Kiffin, his wife, who they divorced and are now back together, and it's been kind of the whole renaissance of Lane Kiffin, right. Getting back with his family and families first. And today, first, Marty Smith is reporting that we're doing hot yoga with the family. That's what we do every, you know, every Saturday morning. But, but Layla was born in Gainesville and Layla went to the University of Florida. And Layla's dad was a. Was a. Was a big time. I'm gonna look it up right now. No. Oh. Was a big time quarterback.
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Dan Comber
Okay.
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Pat McShay
Someone told me John Reeves. John Reeves was a Florida quarterback. Yeah. And John Reeves went on, I think, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and I think that's how they met. I think Layla worked at the Buccaneers, like PR or something like that. So anyway, none of this is. Is very important outside of there were ties there.
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Dan Comber
Right.
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Pat McShay
And so I don't know if that played for or against Florida. Maybe Layla, like, I'd rather not go back to where I grew up and all in my. My dad shadow of my dad and all that stuff. But certainly they were in the mix for a while. So then it became down to two. Are we staying at Ole Miss? Are we going to lsu? And we know about the financial package that's been offered and basically write your own check, all the resources, everything that goes behind lsu. I got to thinking yesterday before I got this text message from someone that I trust that wouldn't share information unless he believes strongly in it, that in my life circumstance, I'm not going anywhere without you. I'm not going anywhere without Marissa. We're not doing anything unless it's with the right people, with Dan and with Connor and with Tucker and like. But if, you know, something came along to grow this opportunity, then you got to kind of go back with your people and see what's important and what we want to do. Right. And if the money match the money, and it sounds like Ole Miss is willing to match the money. So it's not a money thing. And I truly believe that it's. This has never been about the money for Lane. I'm not speaking about the past. I'm talking about this. This situation has never been about the money. The money's great, and it sounds like it would be matched at Ole Miss. What is being offered at LSU or something very, very close. But when you've transitioned your. When you've had this renaissance and you've worked so hard to cut out the negative in your life and you feel like you are now in the best place that you have been as a human being, as a husband, as a father, as a coach, as a person, there's an element of, do I want to step outside of this? Because, man, it's never felt better than this.
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Sponsor Voice
Right.
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Pat McShay
Yeah. Well, if I. If I. If I go down that path, like, am I gonna be able to maintain what has made me the happiest I've ever been in My entire life. So Marissa and I had conversations about that yesterday because it's a fascinating parallel.
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Dan Comber
You know, she coming on. We should have her on.
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Pat McShay
No, no, she would never come on.
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Dan Comber
There will be a day. There'll be a day.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, we'll. We'll. We'll sneak her accidentally.
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Dan Comber
All right. So I ask you something, though.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, go ahead.
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Dan Comber
If you're, if you're Lane Kiffin, and I hear what you're saying, and I agree with everything you're saying, but he's also a guy that believes in, you know, change and pushing yourself and evolving, that's gotta weigh in some. A little bit here, too. Like, are you getting too comfortable? Is this. Are you growing now? Or you just gotten to a point in your life where you're just satisfied with staying in one lane and doing this thing? Or do you want to push yourself and evolve and find a new challenge? And LSU is a different challenge than Ole Miss is.
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Pat McShay
It's.
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Dan Comber
It's one of the ways that these things are unique. I do think there's an argument to make, is LSU really greener pastures than elements in the new college football landscape? There's an argument there, but there's no argument that winning at yellow LSU is different than winning at Ole Miss. You know what I mean?
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Pat McShay
And the resources and the backing, even like Ole Miss willing to do everything.
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Dan Comber
It'S a different thing.
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Pat McShay
It has a foundation that's different than the foundation Ole Miss, even though Ole Miss, to its credit, has literally done everything possible financially, structure, wise, freedom, everything like Ole Miss should be, you know, recognized for what it has done to provide Lane everything he needs to get to this, you know, 11 win season, potentially in the SEC Championship game and, and absolutely in the College Football Playoff. Okay? And that's where they are and LSU ain't. But you take Lane in this program and the recruiting and the energy and the new Lane and the, the dialed in with the. No distractions and the family and everything that he has, and you put it into that machine. And that's what LSU is banking on. Yeah, that's. And that's the part. And I think you. You asked a great question, because what. What is equal for us with my kids at their age versus Lane with his kids off to college and all that, it might be different. Right? So that's what. And here's the part for Lane and I. And I think along these, these. I have the same thought process, too. Okay? You take. You take me now where I am with you and with the support, and you take and You. And we keep growing this, right? And so Lane is like, hey, where I am now. And with the recruiting and with the. And with all the. The. The media attention and everything that gets. And all the players that want to come play for me, and I get to. I bring that to LSU with that foundation. Could I do what Nick did?
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Dan Comber
Right. There's that tie, too.
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Pat McShay
You. You watch the hand gestures. You watch some of the. The reactions, some of the phrases, some. And. And they butted heads and they, like. I know stories that I can't even tell.
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Dan Comber
I can only imagine. Well, you know what anyone can imagine knowing those two personalities.
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Pat McShay
I know stories that I can't even tell the way that those two. However, there was a mutual respect, a true. And there continues to be a great deal. It's one of those things like a family member or a great friend. Like, I'm gonna. With you all day long. I'm gonna needle you. I'm putting out your weaknesses. I'm gonna test you. I'm gonna do all that stuff. Somebody else tries to say something about you, though, right? You know what I mean?
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Dan Comber
Yeah, I get it.
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Pat McShay
So the question becomes, now that I am where I am, can I be the next Nick? And I think that's what's eating at all of this. So I've been burying this lead the whole time. I am not Pete Thammel. I am. I'm not. I'm not trying to ever be. I'm not saying I have this, like, sourced out or in. I'm just saying I got some information and I was told last night, around 11:30 at night, before I was getting ready to get some sleep, to get up and go Christmas tree shopping and. And get ready for the show and an awesome slate of games. All of a sudden, this thing's dropped in my lap and I'm not confirming it. I'm not even reaching out to people and trying to. I don't care. I'm just saying I was told last night based off of some text threads and this, this, that, and people who are this, this and that. That. It. Lane has made his decision. He's going to lsu. And there's. There's a respectful amount of time that's being allowed. He's going to spend time with the family in the morning. And what. I don't know any of the other details, but so, you know, along the lines of what the. Was presented to me, that made a lot of sense was we just won this massive game. We are in the College Football Playoff. We. Depending on what happens today, in these games, maybe an opportunity to play in the SEC Championship game. However, there is a deadline that's looming and it's essentially my understanding, 11:50 tonight Eastern Time. And so is it after the Iron bowl when they know whether they're, they're in or they're out. Because if, if, if, if Auburn, Alabama loses Alabama, Ole Miss playing Ole Miss is playing in the SEC Championship game. And am I trying to distract all of that? And so I, I've also been told that he's, he's gone in the facilities and they're, they're preparing for, for Georgia, right? Yeah, for Georgia in the SEC Championship game. Is that right?
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Dan Comber
I think that's right. I will check right now.
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Pat McShay
So again, I'm, I'm not sitting here, I'm not reporting it and like, it's done, but I don't, I wouldn't have got this information from the person I got it from, and that person wouldn't have got it from the people who were in contact. Okay. You follow me, right? Yep. Unless, unless Lane was purposely telling friends of his that are very close misinformation, or if Lane overnight night sleep thought on it, hot yoga, all that actually changed his mind. And maybe something was presented to him last minute by. Oh, but as of last night, before I fell asleep, the information was Lane's going to lsu. It's just a matter of when this is going to all be announced. And is Ole Miss going to allow him and is Ole Miss going to allow him to still coach? And I'm just told right now by Dan Comber, our unbelievable editor, producer extraordinaire, who does everything for this show, that there is a meeting today. Let me pull it up. Lane Kiffin and Ole Miss AD Keith Carter are set to meet at 4, 400pm Eastern Time. So 10 minutes from now. Steve. So this is all imminent. And that's why I wanted to start this show with this because it's going to happen fast. Go ahead.
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Dan Comber
Do you have an instant reaction or are you going to give this a second to breathe? You can have an instant reaction and still circle back. Know that I mean that it looks like he's going to LSU or that it feels like he's going to lsu. Do you want to wait? You want to give it a second to breathe?
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Pat McShay
No, I, I guess my, in my ins. I, it isn't in an instant reaction. It was hours spent talking about life parallels. Ironically, last night, prior to getting this text and then having to circle back and have a conversation. So I, I kind of had come to grips with. He was. And then it was almost. I don't want to say full confirmation because it wasn't like multiple sourced and thamble or, or Bruce or like you know those guys giving it to me and are going nationally and saying it. I understand it. I don't know that the grass is always greener. I do think what they have at Ole Miss is special.
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Dan Comber
I do too. Yeah.
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Pat McShay
But unlike Harbot, Michigan or Urban from the state of Ohio at Ohio State or Nick didn't have that tie. But once Nick became Nick at Alabama, it wasn't going to be at another place. It didn't. You know what I mean? Like it. I never felt like Ole Miss had to be the end of the road in terms of where he finished his career. And he's young. I don't think he's much older than me. He's. How old is Lane Kiffin? Look that up. I guess 52, 53 maybe 55 at the oldest. I don't even think he's that 50. Yeah. I said a couple years older than me. Yeah. So they say your, your best earning years in life no matter what the profession are 55 to 60, 63 that eight year span. So his, his best years are still, still coming up. My reaction to it is. I understand.
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Dan Comber
Me too.
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Pat McShay
As long as your family wants this. And we saw his daughter most the most recent social media post get handing out gifts to underprivileged kids in Baton Rouge with wit weeks. It clearly this is a family thing and Knox is, is doing great in high school. But you know, I, I don't know if he's a junior or senior or what he is. But I'm sure that'll all get worked out. And his wife clearly is on board and, and is Layla wouldn't have, they wouldn't have said no to Florida before they made this final decision had that not been a family thing. And so now I honestly, I get it. I get it because you're in a place where you're like, you know what? I can go and make a run at being one of the best of all time. And they'll have support there that maybe I, they wouldn't have in terms of the foundation at Ole Miss. So I understand all of that. The hard part is and everyone's going to just murder Lane kiffin for this. 100% murder him. But you were given an ultimatum by the school that you're at presently and LSU has to have an answer at some point.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
So it's just a brutal position to be in. And he, to his credit, he danced around all this stuff this past week. He kept his team focused, which is hard to do given all this stuff, said all the right things, empowered his players. Players aren't the same as they used to be, were the quotes. Players care about their nil, and that's a good thing. And, you know, like, he found his ways to motivate his team and keep their focus on that game. And you saw in the second half when they ran away from Mississippi State after first half, where they were dragged through the mud fights and ads on the sideline and all sorts of stuff that Mississippi State was trying to do to get, to create an environment up.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
Drag them into that mud.
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Dan Comber
Right. Yeah.
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Pat McShay
So my initial reaction is I understand. And it doesn't mean what's good for Lane would be good for me and you and I. I'm not taking this thing back to ESPN or some network or something like that. We're doing this here, and we're going to grow it so big that it doesn't matter where we are. So if I'm making that personal parallel and all of a sudden we get Netflix as an opportunity and, like, think, this is just going to keep growing, man. And I'm. I'm certain of it. I'm not even hopeful or confident I'm certain of it. So. But it's a different world in college football, and I think that LSU gives them a maybe a slightly or a better chance to go become one of the greats, to be thought of as a, an Urban Meyer, a Nick Saban, you know, one of those guys. So that's where I am. But, but, but you have to now start asking the question. This meeting at 4 o', clock, which is in five minutes from right now, do you know how important that meeting is between Lane and Mr. The athletic director at Ole Miss and.
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Dan Comber
The future of the SEC landscape? I mean, I don't think that meeting.
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Pat McShay
Is necessarily about please stay or are you staying? I think that meeting is probably more about I'm leaving. Can I. Can I coach this? You know, and will LSU allow him to still, Like, I don't know.
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Dan Comber
Well, the reporting was that Carter wasn't going to let him coach, that they.
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Pat McShay
And I'll be honest with you, and I heard Herbie today, and, like, I'm with you, Kirk. I would love to see it for the players. And I'm with Nick on this, too. Like, the players have to come first. They totally do. I agree with you for everyone, but the AD and the person who's representing Ole Miss. That's the problem.
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Dan Comber
Right?
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Pat McShay
Because if I'm, if my sole job in this world is to do what's best for Ole Miss, it's about a vision that's greater than the next seven weeks or whatever it is. And I'm not letting this guy leave to go in conference, in division to a rival that's literally down the highway and coach my program in the College Football Playoff. I don't think are you.
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Dan Comber
You know me, I'm a sentimental in my bubble, do what's right for the player type thing. And I hope that that' what prevails. But I, I hear you. Like this is about the, it's about the future of the Ole Miss program. And that's really, that's what you got to look at when you're making a decision. It's lousy. I mean, it sucks that you have a team as good as Ole Miss is this year and it's going to go this way at the end and we'll see. Maybe they make some kind of run, maybe they, they rally around the team, rally rallies around itself, circles the wagons and somehow makes a run here. But my gut tells me that Ole Miss, that Ole Miss is not going to be coached by Lane Kiffin in the playoffs if he leaves for lsu. That's my gut, my. I think it even gets more interesting than that is how much of his staff does he take with him and who's allowed to stay and who's, who's going to go and all, all of that and where does the committee look at them in terms of seating? If Alabama wins tonight, where is Ole Miss going to be hurt? I can't, I can't imagine they're going to keep him out if Lane Kiffin leaves. I mean that would be wild. I mean that would just, I mean I, I don't think they can do that. But if he leaves, do they drop in the seating or they now go from whatever they were going to be to a lower seed? I don't know. It's going to be interesting to see how they handle that. It'd be interesting how they handle that if Tulane, Tulane gets into, based on the reporting about summer all going to, to Florida. I mean there's the way these coaching changes are happening with these big time programs or programs that are winning at least is something to keep an eye on. This is unique, but I'm not sure it's going to be unique going forward.
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Pat McShay
I see you. John D. $. Yes, I understand that there's not divisions. Now I'm just saying that this has been a for forever in the sec. Has been.
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Dan Comber
Yeah. I mean this is right.
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Pat McShay
And playing every year and that like I understand where we are in college football. I'm saying like you know, there was a difference going like from Ole Miss to Kentucky or Florida or Georgia to go into one of the traditional, you know, West. So that was my only point. But I also see everybody else in the, in the chat are like okay, great, thanks for, thanks for the update, thanks for the intel. But like let's go move on. And I'm not and I want to make this point. Yeah. Florida is out and I'm glad you mentioned John Sumral. I'm going to make a couple of quick notes and we can move on. We don't even have to discuss Summerl is the likely choice there. And yes, they are playing tonight against Charlotte and and they are the top ranked G5. And men's just covered how critical all of that is for, for potentially that, that two lane program. Right.
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Dan Comber
Yep.
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Pat McShay
Alex Golish is also in the mix. What's interesting is there is a huge domino effect and trickle down effect or whatever you want to call it. And what's also fascinating is Jimmy Sexton, the, the, the. I believe he's still at caa, the super agent of college football coaches. And what he is his role behind all of these things in the SEC puppeteer. At one point I think he had 14 to the 16 coaches he was representing in the SEC. That was in 2024. I'm not sure if that's the exact same number, but it's the vast majority. He also had James Franklin. Okay. And so there's a lot of interesting stuff here. But when you look at is it LSU or Ole Miss that now is. Is open after Lane Kiffin decides and they have the meeting that's starting literally right now at 4:00pm Eastern Time. But Alex Golish is a name you've heard already at Arkansas and if it's not for some reason some role at Florida. Alex Golic Golish from South Florida is in the mix at, at Florida also at the in the mix potentially at like an Ole Miss. There's Auburn, there's Arkansas and Golish has been strongly tied there a lot of moving parts. And there's also Penn State out there as I mentioned, where a Jimmy Sexton client, James Franklin was recently fired and then recently hired by Virginia Tech. Why do I bring Sexton into all this? I hear Penn State has been, I've talked about Pat Kraft and The athletic director at Penn State. And there's mixed opinions on how that's going. Right. I, I'm not, I don't know him personally. I'm not here. I'm saying, I think unfortunately, if you're a Penn State fan, there's been some playing that's been going on with Penn State a little bit, I'm told. And again, like, I'm, I'm not going to go into all these sources and this and that because I'm not reporting anything. But there's some, there's some information out there that Bob Chesney, who I told you, is going to be a fast rising coach in this, in this business. And all of a sudden his name's everywhere and he's doing a great job at jmu. Right. He was at Holy Cross and when he was at Holy Cross, I was told by multiple people that I trusted in this profession. Chesney's a name. He's gonna go. Right. And all of a sudden it's Jay, it's Holy Cross, jmu and now Holy, like big time programs are like. And Penn State. Penn State apparently was interested. In fact, may or may not have been on a plane to go see when Jimmy Sexton calls and, and says, I think Chesney's going to ucla. Don't need to make that trip again. Just stuff I'm hearing. Bottom line is Chesney now, it sounds like, is going to be announced after JMU plays today or at some point if, if, if JMU is eliminated from the College Football Playoff. I think that's when it will be announced that he, he's going to ucla. All right, so that's a nugget for you. Also represented by Sexton. Eli Drinkwoods also represent. Who just signed an extension at Missouri. Was in the mix of Penn State.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
And his name was up for some other places. Also represented by Sexton Clark Lee. See, he just signed a massive extension.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
Okay.
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Dan Comber
I didn't think he was going anywhere anyways, but yeah, it's, it's interesting.
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Pat McShay
But Penn State had interest.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
And Penn State had interest in Drinkwitz and Penn State had interest. This is what I've been told. I'm not saying. I'm just saying Bob Chesney. Okay. Sounds like maybe Penn State's now down to Brent Key is a possibility not represented by sex. In fact, I, I don't know exactly. I couldn't find. I don't know.
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Dan Comber
That'd be a great hire for them. I love that hire for them.
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Pat McShay
And, and there was some Kind of big name coach that was being batted around. I was told. I was told last night, don't count out Lincoln Riley as a major target of Pat Crafts to Penn State.
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Dan Comber
That's interesting.
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Pat McShay
And he's not represented by Sexton. You following the tea leaves here?
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Dan Comber
Dan says Brent Keys never leaving his Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech team.
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Pat McShay
Cut him open and see what colors he bleeds. I'm just saying, this is the information I'm getting. Trace Armstrong represents. So maybe Penn State's out of the Jimmy Sexton game.
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Dan Comber
Here's. Let me ask you this, because this is the problem, and I'm sure I'm not as savvy in this area as you are, so I'm guessing there's an easy answer to this. Is that doing a disservice to his clients, though? Like, shouldn't he be listening to what Penn State has to say? You know, if you, like, for Chesney and what that's going to look like in terms of a financial package? Or is it just listen.
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Pat McShay
I. And. And everyone in the chat is right. And. And Jeremy Godden just said rivalry week. He was actually defending us, saying it was boring. I. I hear you. All I'm saying is these are nuggets that are coming in fast and furious. Keep an eye on them. And who knows? We may find out in 15 minutes that lane Kiffin's going back to Ole Miss. And, like, Shea didn't know anything. All right. Ohio State. Penn State, man. Oh, come on. Yeah, I'm getting Penn State off my mind. Ohio State, Michigan. The game. I grew up on this game. I told you. Marshall Brown, my grandfather. I was a Michigan fan from birth. I went to many Ohio State, Michigan game, many a Michigan game, and grew up with Bo Schembechler as a family friend. Very fortunate. So I have a great deal of respect and, like, family memories. And, you know, every Saturday after Thanksgiving was spent on this game with my grandfather, with my family, like, you know, and. And driving around and the M's crossed out everywhere and the flags hanging everywhere. So I just. I. I love this game and what's not to love? But Michigan is. And Michigan has dominated it in recent years, but Ohio State has clearly been the better program in recent years. I. I thought it was. Let's just start from the beginning. I thought it was critical that Michigan got out to an early lead in this game. Find a way to get out to an early lead, set some kind of a tone, get Ohio State nervous. Like, oh, man, is this happening again?
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Dan Comber
Right?
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Pat McShay
The snow's about to come and this game could get mucky. And we get these, these Ferraris on the outside and Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate and we get this young quarterback.
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Dan Comber
Banged up by the way too. They're not healthy.
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Pat McShay
Yes, but. But so a banged up pair on the outside snows on the horizon. Let's. Let's get a lead and possess the ball and let's make this as ugly as we want it to be. If you hear people screaming in the background despite me begging them not to, it's some Fortnite live. And it should be. Although it might be Clemson if I don't know if Clemson's game's over already. But. And they did in Michigan did and they got the run game going early. The first team all season no Since Texas to rush for over 100 yards. And they get it rocking early on. Jordan Marshall 4 for 61 rushing in the first five minutes of the game. Then Michigan gets the pick. And Michigan gets a little bit more yardage but winds up with another field goal. So it's six nothing. But they've been deep in the zone of Ohio State twice and they only get six points. And you have to wonder is that going to wind up coming back to bite them, right? And then I thought Ohio State's response right after six nothing after the interception offensively to drive down the field. Bo Jackson. 36 yard run by Bo. And then they get down inside the three mensch. One play stuff, two play stuff, three plays stuffed. Then third it's now going to be, you know, two play stuff. Then it's going to be third in goal. And Jason Barham, right?
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Dan Comber
Yep.
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Pat McShay
Four sacks on the season. He's been the second best pass rusher for Michigan.
- [34:39]
Dan Comber
Talented dude.
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Pat McShay
Talented dude loses his mind, freaks out on players, then turns around and headbutts the ref. Lucky to not be kicked out of the game.
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Dan Comber
Should have been cooked kicked out of the game.
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Pat McShay
Agreed.
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Dan Comber
Lucky the letter of the law. Yeah, you later man.
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Pat McShay
So. But that gives Ohio State a fresh set of downs. First down stuff, second down stuff. Third down stuffed. Go to go for it on fourth down after the. The knee was down by saying on the. On the push. They called it a touchdown, reviewed it wasn't a touchdown. Here we're going again. Quarterback sneak, probably a touchdown flag. Five yards. Now we get a kick. Field goal six three. So so far things are going really well for Michigan. They stopped him six times inside the three yard line. But then, then it started to happen. Jordan Marshall, the running back injures his shoulder, doesn't come back in. Michigan still has some run game going, but the receivers and saying start to take off. And I think we learn more about saying in this game than in any other game. The, you know, that we've seen all season long. And despite his number, I don't even have the final numbers here. We can pull them up. I thought we. We learned an awful lot about him. And I. And I also think. And I'll. I'll just. I'll. I'll tell you now who my spotlight player of the day is. It's Bo Jackson.
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Dan Comber
Yeah. Yes. You didn't tell me that. I love it. Bo Jackson, the best player in that game.
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Pat McShay
He was the best player in the game. And also you see the 22 carries, 117 yards. He averaged 5.3 yards against this run defense. Had four, four catches for almost another 50. Average over 12 yards per catch. I thought there were two reasons why he was not only like, statistically was awesome in this game. There were two things about his performance today that were incredibly important in my eyes and I want to get your take on this. The first is the Michigan component of it because saying. And Tate and Smith took over the game for a couple quarters. Second quarter, third quarter, the long touchdown catch by Jeremiah Smith. You had the long touchdown catch by. By Carnell Tate. 50 yards for Tate. I don't know what it was for Jeremiah Smith, but it was that inside out route. That was awesome. Right?
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Dan Comber
It was unbelievable. So he fumbled out of the back of the end zone, but we won't talk about that.
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Pat McShay
Right. There were a couple, couple errors by the officiating crew today.
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Dan Comber
It was bad. I think Ohio State still wins this game handily by. So don't, don't get all caught up in that, Michigan fans. But I thought it was a bad call.
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Pat McShay
Yeah.
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Dan Comber
Unbelievable route, though. That doesn't take away from the fact that route was sick. It was unbelievable.
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Pat McShay
But the reason why Bo Jackson was the most important player was that they. You saw that they got a lead and now they're up two scores. And you've asked the question. I've asked the question. And I know you've. You've agreed. If there's one flaw in Ohio State, I don't know that they have the run game this year.
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Dan Comber
Right?
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Pat McShay
Do they have that back? Do they have Eddie George? Do they have Judkins? Do they have Henderson? Do they have, oh, gosh, what's his name? The Chargers. And I'm gonna blank Right.
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Dan Comber
Dobbins. J.K. dobbins.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, J.K. dobbins. Do they have that guy in house? Right.
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Dan Comber
Yep.
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Pat McShay
We know this talent. We know he's next. Bo Jackson, we know he's the future. But if we're going to make a run at this, this year, do we have that back when things get ugly and we need to. Whether it's wear a team down, whether it's kill the clock late in the game, and to watch him in the fourth quarter take over this football game was hugely important because this has always been a rivalry. And in recent years, about Michigan's just more physical, you know.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
Joe Award winner, defensive tackles last year, they just went in the trenches. They got all the athletes up in Columbus or down in Columbus, but. But we're the tougher, more physical team. Right. And it goes back to Shembeckler, breaking yardsticks on the back of calves of offensive linemen. Okay. That's been their identity forever. But late in this game, Ohio State was the more physical team, and Bo Jackson allowed them with his contact balance, his cutting ability, his. He obviously has great speed, but it's more than just that. So that's the first part. First part was the Michigan element of it. Can we shove it down their throats in the fourth quarter with a lead? And the answer was yes. Then the second part of it is, all right, now we got to go to the College Football Playoff after this Big Ten championship game, and we got it back and we should have seen the signs, but we didn't know to trust it. All right? Because early in the year, it was. It was 9 for 108. Against Grambling, it was 9 for 109. Against Ohio, it was 17, but for only 880. Against Washington, 13 for only 63. Against Illinois. Against Minnesota, 10 for 47, 10 for 26 against Illinois and Wisconsin, respectively. But then something started to click. Against Penn State, 13 for 105. Purdue 1475, UCLA 15, 112. Rutgers 19, 110. And you kind of. But you're still wondering, can you do it against Michigan? And to watch his talent and to watch his confidence, I think he completes this team. We know the defense is exceptional, and they proved it again today. Three field goals allowed. We know the quarterback has, has, has developed. And today was obviously, we wanted to see what we saw today from Julian saying he was outside of that first interception and kind of the first couple of drives. He was flat out brilliant under these circumstances. But do they have the run game? And now I see it with Bo Jackson.
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Dan Comber
A couple things that I think are interesting. One is that you were talking about Bo Jackson. I think either after or before the Washington game of you saw, you did see this coming. You're not giving yourself enough credit. You did talk about Bo Jackson where they thought they're going to be two. I think it's interesting. You talk about the physicality and don't mention the offensive line once in that statement. That's typical for you. So I'll go ahead and do it now. I wondered not only did they have the back, but did they have the offensive line? I made the same mistake last year. This offensive line is doing exactly what it did LA did last year, which is playing its best football late in the season and really coming together. And that is a bad sign for the rest of the playoff field. The other thing I want to say here is how about Brian Hartline? Man, you talk about the run game and you talk about being able to shove it down Michigan's throat. It seemed like. And I have a ton of respect for Chip Kelly and I'm not going to kick a guy when he's down. Obviously that has gone. That did not go well for him in Las Vegas. But when you looked at this game last year, that seemed like their only goal in that game was to say we can shove it down Michigan's throat and we're going to run into a brick wall over and over and over and again, over again. They didn't do that in this game. They did a great job with their balance and then wore out that Michigan front and then ran the ball late. It was a great game for Heartline, I thought. I think Heartline's been awesome this year. Even the Brendan Ennis touchdown catch. Yeah, that play designed at the end of the first half. I mean, holy, that was awesome. That was awesome. Needed to play there. And the last thing I want to say is Ryan Day has gotten a lot of heat for this four game losing streak and I understand it on some level. But he like last year was bad. He also lost to some really good Michigan teams, including a national champion Michigan team. So I think that got kind of lost in the mix and started just turning into a four game losing streak because last year was a bad loss and it was again a bad loss. But I think Joel Cloud was dead on about what he said. Ohio State decided that they were going to be themselves coming into this game and that's exactly what they did. They didn't try to change their identity like I had hinted at earlier and try to be this run heavy team that was going to out physically the team from the North. That's not what their goal was. Their goal was to win this game, and they were just themselves. They asserted themselves. They asserted the fact that they were the deeper, more talented team and just took care of business. And even though it's not like any other game, they handled it like any other game. And I think that was huge for them considering all the mental hurdles they must have had going into it.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, I thought it was an awesome performance because it showed. The only. Like, literally the only two complaints are with Ohio State all year long is, do they have the run game to balance it out when they need it? And we've gotten the answers recently, and it was confirmed today. And then also, how are they in adversity? Because we just don't know. And they can.
- [43:36]
Dan Comber
They went on the road against a good team. How good was that Texas team? Like, you know, they answered a lot of questions for me today. That's a good Michigan team. By the way, Underwood's got a long way to go. You talked about it last week. You were dead on about it and it up big time in the second half where, yeah, he just was rushing everything, checking down. Didn't look comfortable a lot in this game. Didn't have his best game. They needed him to have his best game to compete. Hope be better. He'll be better. But it was not a great day for him.
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Pat McShay
And it was interesting, too, having Urban Meyer on him Wednesday and, And listening to him as. As one of the, like, founding fathers of, like, the. The spread kind of the option stuff and, and all this, you know, like, I'm not saying he was the first, but, like, he kind of took it to another level and, and throughout his career and kind of evolving and bringing other offensive coordinators to mesh with his principles and all that. There's no denying that Urban Meyer has a great offensive mind. Okay. And to hear him talk about what he would try to do against Ohio State, I felt like I kind of trapped him into giving me a game plan that might work for Michigan against Ohio State, which is not something that he wanted to do. But sometimes when you. When your mind just ticks like that and he was talking about indicators.
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Dan Comber
Oh, it's a great question. Yeah, you want to know, but it.
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Pat McShay
Was a way better answer.
- [44:55]
Dan Comber
The, The.
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Pat McShay
The answer to the question of, like, what, you know what, when, you know, you've got a young quarterback and you know this defense is amazing and you know that. You know that defensively they're doing different things. This year with Matt Patricia, what would be the approach and he, he was like as an offensive coach it's about indicators. We're always looking for tips and it's usually like the safeties and the rotations and what they do on certain downs and distances and find indicated it was go ahead.
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Dan Comber
Interesting enough on game day this morning Saban was talking about the boundary safety when talking about reading Michigan's defense and what they do like you know these guys, football. It's funny when you get to that level and I, I can't even imagine what that level is with like the Sabins and the Myers of the world. It's such a simple game for them and they both talk about it's you have this great defensive coach and this great offensive coach and what are you looking at? It's the boundary safety and both of them, both of them hinted at or talked about that going into this game.
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Pat McShay
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Pat McShay
Shop now@carmax.com But Urban was saying I'm having a hard time when watching Ohio State finding true indicators because you know what was go ahead.
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Dan Comber
It was interesting about that answer though is Urban was I think he was really it was a great answer and but did you notice as he it's just the answer evolved. He started going well I'm gonna run the ball at him and when I run the ball at him, they're gonna have to show their hand a little bit. And if they show their hand a little bit now, I got in the.
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Pat McShay
Second half, yeah, but that's why it's.
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Dan Comber
A tough one, but I could crack it.
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Pat McShay
It was, it was a simple question that trapped him a little bit, but it got him going down this road right where he couldn't stop. And now he's talking about, about like, all right, but if I get him in game and get him into the muck a little bit and Right. But like now there's. Now, now they've given us tells in the second half, then we're going to adjust, you know, so it got him going and showing the thought process, which I thought was fascinating. But he said initially what he would do is come out and he would run the hell out of Bryce Underwood. He said. I had a. I had an Underwood, a big, strong, physical, athletic, mobile quarterback. His name was Tim Tebow. And we, in games like this, we ran the hell out of the. Of him. Yeah. And early on they were running the hell out of the ball and Underwood had a couple carries, all that. But I, I think after that conversation with Urban, if you, if you told him that night, if, when we were done, if we were like, hey, Herb, I'm going to tell you something. Underwood finishes with 6 for 1 based off of that answer you just gave. What, like, what do you think? And he'd be like, yeah, no chance. And there wasn't. It's just interesting that Michigan didn't try to run under Woodmore. That was a long way to get to what my point was. When I look up at that stat line and I see six carries for one yard, Ohio State clearly was expecting that. And Ohio State clearly put a lot of work in with Matt Patricia and this very smart, talented. But also I said this in week one, you got to have a bunch of smart dudes. And we know that Styles is. And we know that Caleb Downs is Caleb Downs extraordinarily smart football smart. But you got to have a bunch of other guys that are pretty good to damn smart to pick up that NFL scheme and to make it look that polished and that confusing for a young quarterback in week one, when you get eight new starters and a new defensive coordinator is not easy to do with the college football coaching time limit, teaching time limitations and to see them now evolve in Week 14. But the 12th game of the regular season was pretty special to see. And they clearly were thinking the same way that Urban was We got to run the quarterback in Ohio State was like you're we're not going to let you run the quarterback. In fact we'll let your running backs get some yards. We're not letting you beat us on the ground, beat us in the air your running backs but we are going to squeeze the life out of your quarterback and his ability to run the ball. And it worked. And I like there was a flash or two of Underwood throwing like that seam route to McCully was also the Donovan McCullough is an awesome.
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Dan Comber
Oh my God.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, even better catch. But it like and by the way where was Andrew Marsh today? Was there an injury situation? He didn't have a catch and he's, he's there. You know he and McCully are the two guys we talked about last week. So just an awesome job. Now let me ask you this question, Dan. Get this ready and I'm going back to you guys in the chat. Sorry I've been on a rant today. I don't apologize been on a rant and Matt Mateus wants Santa Mensch and we're gonna go.
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Dan Comber
It's coming.
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Pat McShay
It's.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
This is the warm up. This is like the first elf coming out on on December 1, you know. Get this ready, Dan. Now after watching that performance and I'm not saying Michigan's A but Michigan was ranked 15. Michigan's a good team and Michigan's been beating the hell out of Ohio State the last four years after watching that Ohio State today. Are you taking Ohio State or the field?
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Dan Comber
Oh, I'm taking Ohio State.
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Pat McShay
Hey Tucker, let's find out. Fanduel maybe we'll get back to it tonight if I bother mentioned is at his 30th reunion.
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Dan Comber
I'm hoping it happens, man.
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Pat McShay
Oh you know I will. I can't help myself and everyone on the chat like we just keep an eye out on social media if things get twisty we've got Vanderbilt in Tennessee are tied seven seven. LSU's not doing its part early on. Just 10 offensive offensive yards but they're trailing three nothing more importantly Auburn, Alabama tonight. If things get chaotic tonight we might have to come back recap really quickly and more importantly kind of go through the TMS top 12 but Ohio State or the field and Tucker, I was saying FanDuel what are the FanDuel odds now to win the national championship compared to. I guess I'm sure they've gone up or gone down however you want to look at it. So let's see. I'm Going to pull up my app, FD Sportsbook. By the way, if you love our show, then you gotta, you gotta be a fan. Dual guy or girl. Cole Marie. Here we go. National championship odds plus 170. Okay. Indiana's number two at plus 490. Why don't I. Why? I love Signetti. I love that team. I think they're capable of making a little run. Why do. Yeah, I just couldn't put my money behind Indiana plus 490. But then it's interesting. Georgia 800. Notre Dame a thousand. A m. A thousand. Oregon 1200. Like those are long odds compared to plus. They are a massive favorite. So FanDuel has spoken and I think I kind of tend to agree 76% on the early voting for Ohio State versus the field. Anything else in this game you want to get too much?
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Dan Comber
I think we're good here, man. I mean again, I'm very impressed with top to bottom, the organization of Ohio State and how they handled it to go on the road. And I thought Ryan Day did exactly what he needed to do to kind of get exercise those demons.
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Pat McShay
I'm glad you mentioned Heartline too.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, I mean I just thought I like look and I. That was. Remember that. That was the whole discussion last year. They just kept trying to run the ball with those two talented backs against a talented Michigan offense and they never really opened it up. And I thought that Heartland Heartline had a great balanced game plan for them today.
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Pat McShay
How about being a first year starting quarterback on the road? Game turns to snow. But that's not even the factor. Throwing an interception early on. Michigan, that crowd, the third largest stadium in college football. That crowd, that history. Even though it's none of your history, but you sense it in the building, you sense it from the staff. You know that no player do you know, no player on that roster today, Steve had beat.
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Dan Comber
I know. Zero. I couldn't believe that. Wow.
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Pat McShay
And to. And to be like, yep, I got this. No problem. 19 for 26, 233 yards, three touchdowns and that one early pick that he bounced back from. And he did it, he bought. You know, it was, it was. Tate had the one long catch, but he had five for 82. Jackson getting involved in the run game, as I mentioned as the spotlight player of the day. 4 for 49. Jeremiah Smith had that. The one touchdown catch. Two other catches finished 3 for 40 with a touchdown. Kazmarick the tight end. Claire the tight end. They combined for five catches for 50 yards. Brandon Innis, two for 12 with a touchdown. So he distributed it. They don't have a ton of guys but the guys they have are just better than yours. Yeah.
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Dan Comber
Yeah. Julian saying looks like he's all of 12.
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Pat McShay
Yeah. Your your name said not that this game matters. Your name 7608. I get the four box going and even though this shows a lot of people are going to listen and watch the show after. We appreciate everyone watching on YouTube. Would you please give it a like and a subscribe Appreciate everyone on watching and follow listening follow everyone watching listening on Spotify and everyone who's listening on on Apple and anywhere else you get your podcasts. But and I recognize that this is most people are going to wind up absorbing this content after these games, but it is an absolute blizzard. It looks like in Minnesota right now.
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Dan Comber
I've seen that now. That looks awesome.
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Pat McShay
I got the four box going. A beautiful day in Norman, Oklahoma. You got Tennessee. You know you got the Tennessee teams going Vandy at at Tennessee and Knoxville looks like a nice day. They're probably a little chilly. You're out in Washington for Oregon. Washington 3 nothing game in that and then you go down to the bottom left of my four box and it's just a blizzard. I just. I love games this weekend. All right I let's get. Let's get to quickly. I just want to quickly mention and we'll get to the TMS top 12 and we'll see if we have to revisit that. While I'm doing this mensch. What's going is BYU UCF over? Give me a quick update on that.
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Dan Comber
They must be over. Let me find it.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, they probably finished.
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Dan Comber
I think they started 41, 21.
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Pat McShay
So they pulled away. They were starting to pull away after.
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Dan Comber
UCF jumped them in the first quarter. 14 nothing.
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Pat McShay
Yeah. And it was 1414. Then it was 1714 at the half. Get BYU out of there and they. They'll. They'll do what you saw Texas Tech with that massive win against West West Virginia handle a business. It was a 59 to nothing or.
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Dan Comber
Something crazy 49 nothing.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, 49 nothing. I do want to mention we could be in a predicament depending on how the rest of these games fall. This Miami situation is worth noting because Miami came out in the efficiency of that offense and most importantly, the efficiency of Carson Beckham in that game against a pit team that is not good enough to compete with Notre Dame but is good enough to. Has been good enough with a with a young quarterback since taking over the reins to kind of run through the ACC.
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Dan Comber
Who pit.
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Pat McShay
Yes. Yeah, they lost in Notre Dame. 37, 37, 15. But they beat Georgia Tech handily by 14 points. Steve, Georgia Tech just kept it to seven points against, against Georgia. They whacked Syracuse. They, they beat Florida State. They whacked Boston College.
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Dan Comber
Bad teams, man.
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Pat McShay
All in all teams. No, I know that. I'm just saying they were 4, 5, 5 and oh, 6 and oh, they had since the freshman quarterback came in, they'd won six straight ACC games. Is my only point. Miami, Miami today at Pittsburgh this time of year, 38 to 7. Okay. And I, I was watching Michigan, Ohio State. I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't paying 9010 but every time I looked up, every time I looked up, Beck looked in control. We've seen that defense give some others, some, some fits and the run game was not great for, for Miami and has not been great this season. Although I do want to say this Mark Fletcher, since Damian Martinez left, like it's been a different feel this year. And Fletcher's had some nice games and they had the, the other backup. Was it Brown?
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Dan Comber
No, Brown.
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Pat McShay
I think it was Brown early in the season was kind of. That was the two headed if I'm right. But, but recently this Gerard Pringle has, has come on. He's a freshman, right? Yep, he's a freshman out of Tampa Florida and he's got a lot of talent but they, I don't know that they trusted him but they've recognized that they've got an issue. They've got an issue at the running back game and so the running back position and he has been pretty darn good recently. He finished with yeah, 10 for 82 today. Okay. Mark Fletcher had 10 for 30. You see the difference?
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
So keep an eye on this Gerard Pringle guy if we start. If they wind up in the college football playoffs because he could be. I'm not saying he's the Bo Jackson for Ohio State, but he could be a boost to this, this run game that Miami desperately needs. More importantly, Malachi. Tony, this is the set after kind of going witness protection, being nicked up, not being himself for the middle of the season for a few weeks. Tony, this is second straight week that he's been awesome. He had 13 for 126 and a touchdown today. Most dynamic freshman in all of college football. And one.
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Dan Comber
Did he throw one too? I think he throw, I think he threw a touchdown.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, he threw a touchdown.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, he did.
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Pat McShay
He was 1 for 2 passing. Fletcher was over one passing. But Beck was 23 of 29. Completed 80% of his throws, 267 yards, three touchdowns and one pick.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, the pick was fluky. It looked like he tried to pull it back and kind of came out of his hand. And one he'd probably like back, but not one I'm overly concerned about, to be honest.
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Pat McShay
But Beck looked really good.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
First stretch early in this season and then Beck was. Went through what you. You and your crystal ball. You said my. My data trends analysis. He goes through these interception ruts. Be careful. And you called it. All of a sudden it was two picks, three picks, four, whatever it was. But then he settled back down and I want to give this. This coaching staff credit. I want to give Beck credit. I want to give Malachi, Tony credit. The whole program, they. They took on a lot of water in the middle of the year and they were kind of an embarrassment and a joke and like all the talent in the world and they look like the NFL, but they can't ever win in November and December is where it all falls apart for Crystal Ball. Well, maybe this team's different.
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Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
Problem I have, Steve, before we transition to last night's game against Texas, Texas, Texas A and M. If Miami doesn't get in the acc, if they get in the ACC championship game, I'm convinced they're winning it. And there's one ACC team in.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, they.
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Pat McShay
If they don't, they're sitting on the doorstep. They were 12 last week. Now you got a convincing win. What happens if you get an Oklahoma loss against lsu? What happens if you get a. BYU is going to lose next week. Right. We all believe what happens if Alabama. Alabama lose. So now it could be an ACC team from the championship game versus Miami is an at large. I mean, plus Miami is an at large. If they don't get in the. So now you get two ACC teams.
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Dan Comber
Same thing as last year. Right. You ended up with SMU and Clemson. Now you're going to end up with a. With a Miami and, you know, Virginia.
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Pat McShay
SMU potentially gonna rob. Could rob an SEC team that we believe should be in, but we'll see when it all plays out. Anything else on that? Are you good? Oh, I thought Reuben Bane, from what I saw, had a good game, but I didn't see a ton of it.
- [62:36]
Dan Comber
It is a master class in how to make a push for a playoff spot at the end. They went on the road late in the year, destroyed a ranked team that is. That I think is flawed. I think Pittsburgh's flawed. I obviously like Some of the things, I mean, I've talked about what I like about Pittsburgh too. I mean that's a good run defense. They got that quarterback. Henschel has an exciting future there. That there's some things to like about that pit team, but it is deeply flawed. But regardless of that, they went on the road. They beat a ranked team by a lot. And the energy that I thought Cristobal and the staff and the team had throughout that game, Beck was jumping around looking like he's having fun. It was, it was a master class of this team is peaking at the right time and trying to market itself for, for a late nod and look, I don't. It's going to be interesting how it all shakes out because we'll probably talk about this a little bit later. We're going to get into conversations about that head to head win over Notre Dame and Texas losing to Georgia the way it did and some of these other things that I think are to come up that will ultimately dec. Whether or not Miami could get in. If they don't get in the ACC championship. It's going to be an interesting, interesting to see how it unfolds. I do think if I'm a committee member, I am really hoping that there are some outcomes that make my life a little bit easier in the next, you know, few hours here.
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Pat McShay
How about. It is interesting. If it were to somehow come down to it, and it doesn't look like it will, but it potentially could. Notre Dame with a very similar resume wind up getting in and Miami having beaten them head to head and with a very similar result. Someone just mentioned that on here. I want to give credit.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's the conversations that you're gonna have to have.
- [64:21]
Pat McShay
I think. Yeah, hog, hog wild fishing. I like hog wild fishing, man. But yeah, multiple people are bringing this up. Miami, Notre Dame. And now it's like we, we have multiple data points now with Notre Dame or two losses. Miami with two losses, both nine win. You know, and so both gonna have 10 wins if Notre Dame beat Stanford tonight, as we all presume, head to head. And now we have another one where it's like, okay, late in the season, Notre dame beat him 30. What did I just say? 35, 15.
- [64:57]
Dan Comber
Yep.
- [64:58]
Pat McShay
And Miami made sure to. Well, yeah, you beat him big, but we beat him bigger both. Right. I don't know. It's fascinating. So why is Notre Dame sitting there at 9 and Miami sitting there 12?
- [65:11]
Dan Comber
Because Notre Dame lost to A M and to a really good Miami team Miami lost to SMU and Louisville. And that's, I mean, that's that to me. And you could say it doesn't matter when you lose. I think it does matter when you lose.
- [65:23]
Pat McShay
When you have a.
- [65:24]
Dan Comber
Like you. You have to look, it's, it's not an easy thing to do right here. Right. C.J. carr is a, a freshman first year starter. He's a. Notre Dame is a better team than they were at the beginning of the year. I'm not sure that my Miami has turned into a better team. I think they've been an inconsistent team who is talented enough to compete in the playoff and make a run. And, and I think Saban said this morning that they would be one of the most dangerous teams that they got in. And I wouldn't argue with that. But the reality is that I think where you look at where Notre Dame is now and where Miami is now, I give Notre Dame the nod and I know that Miami beat him earlier in the year, but that was the first game of the year and it was close.
- [66:00]
Pat McShay
And we just put in the poll in the chat. Does Miami deserve a College Football playoff birth without winning the ACC? And it's 42%. Yes. 56 or 44 now? Yes. 56%. No. But then. So, so does. No. Yeah. Does Notre Dame get in for those 56%? But I hear what you're saying and, and what? Yeah, just like if your quarterback gets injured at the end of the season or.
- [66:29]
Dan Comber
Right.
- [66:29]
Pat McShay
If your coach isn't going to be there and that could affect you. It has to matter who's playing well when. And Miami has played really well the last few weeks, but didn't in the middle of the season where Notre Dame struggle came, struggles came early. Alabama's loss came in week one. You know, until the most recent. So like that part is, is, is interesting, you know.
- [66:53]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
And. But Alabama was flying up because that was week one. It was Florida State. It was a terrible loss, but it was week one. They like new starting quarterback, different team. Yeah, the same, that same thinking applies. All right, let's bring it back because we'll get to the TMS top 12 and we might have to revisit it tonight because there's a lot going on. But, but I want to get to what an awesome game last night. Texas, Texas A and M, number three team in the country and undefeated goes to 16. Texas in a rivalry that. How in the bleeping world did we ever let them not play on a Friday after Thanksgiving? You know, and it's so good that it's back. Go ahead, you start this. Texas A and M Texas. What are your thoughts?
- [67:48]
Dan Comber
The two things that really jumped out to me outside of Arch, which we'll get into a second are the way that Texas ran the game in this, ran the ball in this game. Quinn Wisner had 19 for 155. If they can run the ball like that, they are in good shape. And the other thing is that when Michael Taft is in the lineup for Texas, their, their past defense is different. Throughout all the numbers they've been the people have been able to throw the ball against them. This year when Michael Taft is in that lineup, it's different. He is the quarterback of that defense. You saw it. Those were two picks that reminded me the two fourth quarter picks of Marcel Reed were, you know, vintage Texas from last year which made that team so good. Zone looks, tracking the ball, attacking the ball, feasting on a quarterback, making a bad decision in a port and I think poor throws. It wasn't a lot of velocity on those throws and taking advantage. So those were the two things that really jumped out to me. That Texas defense is for real with Michael Taft in there. I think he makes a tremendous difference. And they run the ball like that and they're, they are going to be tough to beat.
- [68:53]
Pat McShay
It was a very different team second half from first half for Texas.
- [68:58]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
- [68:59]
Pat McShay
And that's a good thing. That's great coaching. That's players that are capable of adjusting. That's maybe getting some of the nerves out, whatever it is. Let me give you what I got. Arch's legs kept him alive in this game early on.
- [69:16]
Dan Comber
Agree.
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Pat McShay
I thought as the pressure was ramped up. As the pressure was ramped up and I do want to give a lot of credit to Trevor Goosby and I haven't watched every bit of tape on it but, but some of the plays that I've seen pushing around Cassius Howell, Howell, eleven and a half sacks a season. Didn't, didn't really sniff Arch last night. But as the pressure was ramped up in terms, in terms of blitzers, five, six man rushes coming after him and the offensive line. Inconsistent, I would say not very good at times.
- [69:49]
Dan Comber
Yeah, that's fair.
- [69:51]
Pat McShay
It started to get to him and I, I here are the two things that I saw from Arch last night that I didn't like. One, I think there's still as a first year quarterback, there are times when I look at them and I'm like yo, deer and headlights, we gotta get. We, you know, the pressure's coming fast. We got it. Adjust, adjust quicker. There's this like quarter count that happens sometimes with him where it's like, you there, yo, you there. You know, and that only comes with game experience and, and recognizing it and knowing the clock's gotta speed up in those situations with five or six are coming, or you get an overload of five on four, as we saw in that one sack. You gotta know it and you gotta, you're. You've got to react differently than if you've got a four man rush and five in to protect. It's just a different, It's a different animal that you're going up against. And I thought there were several times I saw it and I kept saying, like, almost like a deer in headlights, like that pause and then like move from there. Okay.
- [70:59]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
- [71:00]
Pat McShay
The other part that's, that is interesting because I didn't know, I didn't notice it last year. And at times it's really good. But for some reason, throwing on the run has become challenging for him. Like, he skipped that one ball. Like, what are you doing in the back of the end? So he almost overthrew Wingo and then Wingo.
- [71:20]
Dan Comber
That was close, man. I mean, there was, that was a highlight for the game. But I mean he almost. That's a wide open Wingo, man. That didn't need to be that interesting.
- [71:29]
Pat McShay
And so that's some. Those are the two things where I think he, he has to continue to improve.
- [71:34]
Dan Comber
Okay.
- [71:35]
Pat McShay
But I, I put this on, on X last night and on threads and like, I felt like this was a culmination type game for Arch and what he's been doing because in the last six games they had the loss to Georgia, that wasn't nearly as ugly as it looked. The final score. They had won five other games, all against SEC opponents. He threw two interceptions. One went right through his receiver's hands, the other one was on him.
- [72:03]
Dan Comber
Him.
- [72:03]
Pat McShay
He has not fumbled the ball the entire season. He had thrown 14 touchdowns to the two interceptions, only one of which were his fault. And they beat five SEC teams and you can say, well, they weren't the best, but he beat a couple top ten ranked teams. Now. Three. Yeah, I think they have three at the time. They've beaten three teams that were ranked in the top ten. Okay.
- [72:26]
Dan Comber
Right.
- [72:27]
Pat McShay
And we can get to resume in a little bit. But what I want to say is, and while you look at it, he's like, he didn't complete 50% last night. No, he didn't. But. But when he completed those throws, and after bouncing back from a first half and, and the run, like the 35 yard touchdown run and a couple of other runs, I thought he just stepped up and finally, like, he finally took over. He's, he's been taking over games and playing really well despite the supporting cast being up and down. I felt like he took over that game to a certain, to a certain degree with great defense and a run game in the second half. That's the other part. To me, it was kind of three things. The defense was dominant and opportunistic for Texas. Second game, there was no run. Second thing, there was no run game in this game for Texas. Yeah. And it was scary and you can see the pressure mounting. And I was like, oh no. Because I called it before the game. I, if, if both teams, the other 21 starters play equally, I said essentially I give a big edge to, to Arch in this game at quarterback.
- [73:35]
Dan Comber
You have, you had Arch over read is what you were saying. You give the edge to Texas at quarterback over Texas A and M. And.
- [73:40]
Pat McShay
So, so if all 21 starter, the other 21 starters outside of quarterback play equally in this game, I'm giving the big, big edge to Texas because of quarterback, because of Arch over Marcel Reed. And you know me on, on Reed, I've been in an open book. I love the dude, I love the athlete, I love the clutch plays in the moments. And I think there, there's just like a special magic in him that's different from a lot of other cats that you watch. His quickness, that first step, I told you he might have one of the fastest like first three steps of any quarterback. I've watched like Vic stuff. Now he's, he's probably a four or five guy. He's not a four, three guy like Vic or like Lamar, you know. But I've said if A and M gets got, it's going to be because Marcel Reed is just not where he needs to be as a, as a pocket passer. And it's on the first half against South Carolina, it almost happened. And a large part of that was on Marcel Reed in the first half of that game. In this game, it was the second half against Texas, the two interceptions and just not being able to make throws because the footwork, the mechanics, he's just gotten away with a lot of slop because he's such a great athlete and they're gonna have to live or die in the college football playoff with it. And he's back next year and hopefully he'll continue to work on those Sorts of things. But it was like everything that we talked about for months from the preseason to the evolving case. Casey Concepcion and Mario Craver both were awesome. Mostly in the second and third quarters of this game, but they were awesome. The run after catch, the big punt return from Concepcion, making big plays, all those things. But if they're gonna fall apart, it's going to be the quarterback, it's going to be turnovers, it's going to be those mistakes and it might be some tackling problems on the other side. And then the second half we saw, as I mentioned, defense was. Was vicious and, and opportunistic. The run game was non existent in the first half and then all of a sudden, all of a sudden Wisner had that 48 yard run. First offensive play of the second half. It's like the whole game changed. It turned agree that 48 yard run almost. You could feel like a guy of relief on the Texas sideline and an Arch's helmet specifically. Like if I. We can get some run game, we can balance this thing out. And then they start going and the run game keeps clicking. Quintavius Wisner finishes with 19 for 155. I wonder what the fanduel bet would have been on that if you could, if you could bet the. The rush yards.
- [76:19]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
- [76:19]
Pat McShay
After that first first half that he'd finished with over with over 150 rush yards. My goodness. Arch had seven for 53 including that 35 yard touchdown rush. UT rushed for 23 Mensch for 220 yards. That's almost 10 a pop and two touchdowns on the game. And that. That was the difference. It was those two things. And then keeping keeping Howell silent was another kind of side factor. But, but those two things were the difference. It was that defense finally playing defense with Taff as you talked about and that run game finally getting going.
- [77:02]
Dan Comber
And the flip side, I've never felt better about an evaluation. And your, your evaluation of Reed as a player is dead on. I agree with you. I've never felt better about the evaluation of a team as I do about Texas A M. We knew that game could happen. We were waiting for that game to happen.
- [77:17]
Pat McShay
And by the way, South Carolina.
- [77:19]
Dan Comber
Yeah. And they still were competitive in this game. By the way. This is Texas A and M. I don't think they're good enough to win.
- [77:25]
Pat McShay
Four, four in a row against that quality of competition. No.
- [77:29]
Dan Comber
And I don't think.
- [77:29]
Pat McShay
But the weird part is they're also capable of beating, beating anyone in the dance if they put it together like if things go wild and all of a sudden you can't. You can't corral read and the pass rush gets going, they get a little bit of a leap like they're. They could beat Ohio State. I would be curious what that. With the neutral site line with A and M. I don't. We asked for a few of different ones, but I don't think it was. Yeah, it was A and M. I think my guess is it would be. It would be a lesser spread. Ohio State favored over A and M than most other teams. Not all, but most other teams, even after that loss.
- [78:08]
Dan Comber
But, you know, it's interesting to me. Maybe we'll get into this game in a second here, but Georgia is a team that I could see winning four in a row and I could see doing that, but I don't. It's. It's almost that they're not as dangerous. And the other thing is I respect Georgia so much. I. I can't. I am popping the popcorn and getting ready for any Texas A and M game at this point. It is. Must watch TV because it's just so. It's so volatile. It's so exciting. They're so explosive and their defense is kind of the same as it is on offense like that defense can be great at times, and then at other times they just look. Look a shell of what they. They are at their best. So, man, I love watching that team. It's going to be interesting to see what kind of noise they can make in the playoffs. But it's like we've said for probably the last month, maybe the last two months, really good. Could beat anyone in the country. I don't know if they can win three or four in a row.
- [79:01]
Pat McShay
Yeah. So that's where we are. And next up, we got to finish these 3:30 games. Oregon's up 10, nothing on Washington. Currently 2114 is Tennessee over Vandy 3 3. Someone on the chat. I forget who it was. I want to give him credit for the. They're allergic to offense. Both Oklahoma and, and lsu. This is the thing with Oklahoma. That's frustrating.
- [79:28]
Dan Comber
Oh, always trade back, man. Texas A and M is nascar. You're watching for the crash.
- [79:33]
Pat McShay
Yeah.
- [79:33]
Dan Comber
That's interesting. That's interesting.
- [79:36]
Pat McShay
Atb. We. We. We have a lot of respect that you're. You're still popping in on the chat. We know what games, what games he at.
- [79:42]
Dan Comber
He said he's scouting big citrus. Dominique Orange, the defensive tackle for Iowa State. Yeah.
- [79:49]
Pat McShay
Ready for the Senior Bowl. We'll see you.
- [79:51]
Dan Comber
That's Right.
- [79:51]
Pat McShay
Mobile atb. All right, let's finish it up as we always do. And again, we may have to cut this portion out or we'll just let it live and we'll do an add on tonight. And I would love to talk, to mention a bathroom tonight if I could.
- [80:08]
Dan Comber
I hope it happens. I'm like rooting for it.
- [80:10]
Pat McShay
You better have your phone on.
- [80:12]
Dan Comber
I'm bringing, I'm bringing the, the, the portable charger, whatever the kids call it, so I can, I can make sure that I don't lose battery.
- [80:20]
Pat McShay
And you know me, I'm all for the fun. Like, I don't care if you're nine drinks and you're a big man. You can, you can hold your water. It doesn't matter. It's, it's. It's TMS After Dark. All right, speaking of TMS, the TMS top 12. So Ohio State sitting in number one. I don't know if we have the graphic from last week's TMS top 12, which is not from the College Football Playoff, but here it is. Keep this up, Tucker makes it easier. Ohio State obviously just cements that number one spot heading into the, the championship games. Indiana, the win. Purdue doesn't. It doesn't do anything. A and M out at three. Okay. Georgia beats Georgia Tech. It didn't, didn't matter to me if it was by a half a point. That's a, that's a tough game. That's hard to get up for if you're Georgia with the, all the schedule they've had, the SEC championship maybe looming, you know, at that point, they get the win over Georgia Tech, Texas Tech routes, West Virginia, Ole Miss second half pulls away from Mississippi State. I mean, to me It's Ohio State 1, Indiana 2, Georgia 3, Texas Tech 4, Ole Miss 5. Any disagreement?
- [81:34]
Dan Comber
I still have Oregon ahead of Ole Miss, but we're, we're flip flopping too.
- [81:41]
Pat McShay
And I honestly, I don't disagree with you.
- [81:44]
Dan Comber
Okay.
- [81:45]
Pat McShay
And I said that to you the other day.
- [81:48]
Dan Comber
Yeah, I thought we did that, but you know.
- [81:50]
Pat McShay
No, no, no, you. And then I watched a tape on Oregon. Remember I went back and watched the tape on Oregon and I said I, I actually wouldn't have a problem anymore because I do think they're more advanced on offense. No, not more advanced. I do think, but then again, they don't have the wide receivers. I don't know. They, they. It will be Oregon ahead of them if Kiffin's not there. I promise. And Dan, if you see anything on Kiffin before we, we jump Off. Let me know.
- [82:24]
Dan Comber
Oregon's defense is significantly better than Ole Miss's defense.
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Pat McShay
Let's do it. Let's go. Let's go. Oregon 6, Ole Miss 7. So, no, sorry. Okay, so let me re. Rack this. Dan always gets confused. He texts me after every show, is like, yo, you had like, 14 teams in the top 12, and I don't even know what the order was.
- [82:40]
Dan Comber
We serve that right, Dan. We reserve the right to have 14 and 12.
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Pat McShay
I'm gonna mark it down. Ohio State 1. And chime in here if you're on the chat. Chime in if you're. If you're screaming.
- [82:50]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
- [82:50]
Pat McShay
Live show at the Senior Bowl. Yo. Yo, Mr. Brian, you're right. Get. Get with. Get with atb. Get with God and get with the crew. They'll tell you what's going on. We're going to. They're going to start orchestrating, and we're going to give. We're going to give some facilities for the operation, if you will.
- [83:10]
Dan Comber
All right.
- [83:10]
Pat McShay
Ohio State 1, Indiana 2. A&M drops. We got to figure out how far A and m drops. Georgia 3, Texas Tech 4, Oregon 5, Ole Ms. Six. Right.
- [83:27]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
- [83:28]
Pat McShay
Then I'm. Then I'm going a. M7. Okay.
- [83:36]
Dan Comber
I like that. Yep.
- [83:40]
Pat McShay
Excuse me. Marissa's laying into him downstairs. I can't wait to see what I'm walking into after the show. Maybe we'll stay on another half hour. Maybe we'll just stay on until it calms down up.
- [83:55]
Dan Comber
There we go. Can we go mobile? Do we have a GoPro that you can just walk in there? We can get it.
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Pat McShay
I don't think you want to. It's that Italian blood, man, when it gets boiling up. All right, so. So A. M is seven. Now we got eight is Oklahoma. They're playing in a tough game.
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Dan Comber
Yeah, I'm with you, Oklahoma.
- [84:13]
Pat McShay
Oklahoma beats lsu.
- [84:16]
Dan Comber
They. They leapfrog Notre Dame.
- [84:20]
Pat McShay
But the way they're playing so far, I'm not ready to get them to leapfrog anyone. But I think. I think we agree on this. Oklahoma and Notre Dame are the next two. And if Alabama. If Alabama wins at Auburn against that defense tonight, I'm putting them at 8.
- [84:38]
Dan Comber
Okay?
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Pat McShay
But I can't right now, so let's leave it alone. Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Alabama, TBD as your nest.
- [84:44]
Dan Comber
Bucket.
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Pat McShay
Yep, that's the bucket. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put a bracket around it because that's seven. So eight through ten is those three TBD the results. Oregon, take care. Taking care of business. Three. Three. Oklahoma, LSU I knew that was going to be tight. And then. And then Alabama. But I'll bump Alabama up. If they look good tonight against that Auburn defense, then the world has BYU and Miami 11, 12. We put Texas in last week and we didn't look so stupid, did we, Mensch?
- [85:19]
Dan Comber
No, we did not.
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Pat McShay
So I'm going. I'm going. Miami 11. I was impressed with that win. And Texas 12. No.
- [85:34]
Dan Comber
Yeah.
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Pat McShay
You want Texas 11. Yeah, but how are you having Notre Dame at eight and Miami at 11? And. Yeah, they just beat the number three team in the country. They had three losses. The only one that's bad is floor. Yeah, you're right. Let's. All right, I'm with you, Mitch. I'm gonna ride with you. 11 is Texas. Miami is 12.
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Dan Comber
I like it. We're. This is the top 12, by the way. This is not in. Who's in, who's out. We'll do that at some point. This is the TMS top 12.
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Pat McShay
And the tricky part is with Texas at 11 and Miami at 12. If Miami gets in it. They wouldn't in our situation. But if Miami gets in, isn't that large. Okay. And the acc. ACC has a different representative from the ACC Championship game that Miami wasn't able to play in. If that's how it shakes out today, then there is no Texas.
- [86:31]
Dan Comber
Can I also tell you something else that I want to. I want to amend?
- [86:34]
Pat McShay
What?
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Dan Comber
I got Oregon ahead of Texas Tech, and I don't even know what we're doing anymore. I mean, I don't know why we wouldn't have Oregon ahead of Texas Tech. I love the Texas Tech story. That's cool. They lost Arizona State. They lost the Arizona State. You know who Oregon lost to? The number two team in the country. That's their only loss. I don't know how we're doing this. I get it. I understand. And by the way, I feel like the receiver thing is a little overblown, but, like, you're not alone there. There are a lot of people concerned about that Oregon receiving room, about the injuries there and what that's going to look like going forward. But I don't. I don't know how you don't have Oregon ahead of Texas Tech. It's a great story, and that's a good Texas Tech team. I mean, Oregon lost Indiana, Texas Tech lost to Arizona State.
- [87:17]
Pat McShay
I'm not changing it right now, but I am going to put a little box around TTU Oregon, and I'm going to initial. Initial it SM question mark with the double arrow. Okay, that's noted.
- [87:32]
Dan Comber
Fly, ducks, fly.
- [87:33]
Pat McShay
Let's go.
- [87:33]
Dan Comber
I'm not. I'm not. I'm still in on the ducks.
- [87:35]
Pat McShay
It's noted. If you can see it in there. There we go. See it?
- [87:38]
Dan Comber
There you go.
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Pat McShay
Yeah, it's in focus now. Double arrow sm. All right. This has been fun.
- [87:46]
Dan Comber
It's been good.
- [87:47]
Pat McShay
I hope I see you in a bathroom store tonight.
- [87:51]
Dan Comber
It'll probably be outside of a bar, but yeah, it's something lines. The lighting's going to be terrible. I can't. I cannot. I'll try to get away from people that may want to get involved in. In the broadcast, but like, we'll see what happens.
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Pat McShay
Pro draft scouting. I'm not Italian, but. But my lady is. And I used to mess with my mom and say, I think something happened between you and the Italian milkman because I love Italian people. I love Italian culture. I adore Italian food. I love their passion. And so I'm an Irishman and we for all some of our strengths, just horrible taste in food. But I have a great deal of respect for the paisans, the Italianos.
- [88:33]
Dan Comber
I hear you. J.P. mcKenzie. I know the Texas Tech lost Arizona. Same with my guy Hammond. I get that. There's no way they should lose that Arizona State team. Yeah.
- [88:39]
Pat McShay
Blame it on Mensch. Blame it on Mensch. But you also.
- [88:42]
Dan Comber
Can I say something? I wanted to say something really quick, kind of serious. The first time in this. The. The history of us doing this there. We had an. On the chat today and saying some shitty things and our. The way that the rest of the people who are on this chat all the time responded was freaking awesome. I love the way they responded and weren't having it and I. I was one of the prouder moments I've had in terms of our community in our group. It was good to see.
- [89:08]
Pat McShay
I love it. Mensch. I didn't see it.
- [89:11]
Dan Comber
Yeah, it was not good.
- [89:12]
Pat McShay
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