Week 2 Reactions: Mateer Magic, Florida's Flop, and Clemson Concerns | The McShay Show

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The McShay Show – Week 2 Reactions: Mateer Magic, Florida's Flop, and Clemson Concerns

Date: September 7, 2025
Host: Todd McShay (with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks)
Podcast: The Ringer: The McShay Show
Episode Theme: In-depth reactions to the second week of the college football season, spotlighting Oklahoma’s thrilling win led by John Mateer, Florida’s disastrous home loss to USF, and mounting concerns about Clemson’s offense. The hosts break down key performances, discuss implications for top draft prospects, and candidly assess the state of several high-profile programs—all with a sharp NFL scouting perspective and lively banter.

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Main Episode Theme

Week 2 in college football brought drama and soul-searching for some top programs. The McShay Show dives deep into Oklahoma’s John Mateer turning heads against Michigan, Florida’s shocking defeat at home, and a worrisome win for Clemson over Troy. The hosts explore standout prospects, offensive line woes, and which teams’ early stumbles have bigger warning signs for their playoff and NFL draft hopes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mateer Magic: Oklahoma’s QB Headlines an Upset Over Michigan

• John Mateer’s Performance:

  • A “wild, gladiator-like” showing with both spectacular throws and erratic moments.
  • “There’s always going to be 2, 3, 4 throws a game where it’s like, God, I just wish he would kind of drill in some footwork… everything, the norm, being like the crazy being the norm. But the great was great.” – Daniel Jeremiah (01:07)
  • First drive featured a highlight rail shot to Burks and two explosive passes, plus an athletic TD catch to TE Canik (02:30).
  • Mateer ran for 74 yards and two scores, threw for 270, and repeatedly put his body on the line: “I refuse to believe there’s a human being in college football that is more competitive and will lay it on the line more than this guy.” – Daniel Jeremiah (07:35)

• Oklahoma’s Supporting Cast and Concerns:

  • Blaylock’s continued absence led to a lackluster run game; “They realize [Michigan defense] is a damn good group.” – Daniel Jeremiah (04:46)
  • Offensive line and consistent run support are flagged as weak spots going forward.

• Comparisons and NFL Outlook:

  • Mateer is “so different from the rest” yet echoes Kyler Murray or Baker Mayfield in unpredictability and competitive fire (13:28).
  • “Can you tame that horse?” – Daniel Jeremiah (15:46)
  • But don’t over-correct: “If he’s not dangerous, he’s not Mateer. They tried to rob that of Baker Mayfield in Cleveland.” – Bucky Brooks (16:23)
  • Early season context: “If we were to do a college football billboard in Manhattan right now… the three guys are Jeremiah Smith, Nussmeier, and Mateer.” – Bucky Brooks (17:32)
  • Oklahoma’s comeback win over a talented Michigan D helps cement Mateer’s star power and elevates his draft stock.

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2. Florida’s Flop: Upset Loss at Home to USF

• Game Recap:

  • “Florida, brutal loss. With that schedule, you can’t ever, you can’t ever drop this game.” – Daniel Jeremiah (41:32)
  • The Gators’ offense sputtered; DJ Lagway completed 70% of throws but managed just 6.7 yards per attempt, and accounted for only 6 carries for 9 yards.
  • Sloppy execution: penalties, special teams’ meltdown (safety on a botched snap), lack of run game, and key defensive absences (e.g., Caleb Banks).

• Lagway’s Growing Pains:

  • “I didn’t see improvement as a passer. I didn’t see the timing and the touch. I saw him rifling balls at receivers underneath that should not have been rifled.” – Daniel Jeremiah (45:50)
  • Critical decision late game: “Florida gets the ball back… first and 10… Run the goddamn ball!” – Bucky Brooks (46:43)
  • Play calling and execution both responsible for the blown final drive: “If Lagway checked out of that, put it at the top of the list of ups in this game.” – Daniel Jeremiah (46:53)

• Coaching and Program Turmoil:

  • Poor game management, unsportsmanlike penalties at decisive moments.
  • Mounting “fire Napier” sentiment among fans: “Brian Haas is launching a campaign to fire Napier tonight…” – Daniel Jeremiah (50:24)
  • Looming gauntlet: Florida’s next three games are vs. LSU, at Miami, and vs. Texas. “They could be looking at an early October situation where they are 1 and 4.” – Daniel Jeremiah (53:01)

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3. Clemson Concerns: Survives Troy, but Offense Looks Broken

• Despite Victory, Worries Grow:

  • Clemson came back from a halftime deficit but the win was hardly reassuring. “I am more concerned about Cade Klubnik specifically and the Clemson offense after this win against Troy than I was after the loss against LSU.” – Daniel Jeremiah (27:41)
  • Klubnik faced protection issues, lacked chemistry with targets (notably missing Antonio Williams), while rain delays contributed to the game’s disjointed feel.
  • “When you can’t protect [the QB] and the weapons aren’t where they’re supposed to be… what is a supporting cast issue now becomes your issue.” – Daniel Jeremiah (29:45)

• Offensive Line Scrutiny:

  • Clemson started the second half with an 8-of-10 run-pass ratio, telegraphing an utter lack of confidence in pass protection (32:03).
  • “You can be experienced all you want. But you gotta… have dudes up front too… the group hasn’t been a great offensive line.” – Bucky Brooks (34:02)
  • McShay assigns Bucky Brooks to break down the Clemson O-line for next episode.

• Bigger Picture & Upcoming Tests:

  • The “hangover game” excuse only goes so far; Georgia Tech looms as a legit threat if the issues persist.
  • “Their schedule is going to hide some of the warts…” – Bucky Brooks (35:51)

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4. Sawyer Robertson’s Breakout for Baylor

• Stat-Stuffing Win Over SMU (48–45 2OT):

  • “For a guy that they didn’t even know last year if he was going to start… he brought them back again.” – Daniel Jeremiah (58:16)
  • Robertson: 21/26, 234 yds, 2 TDs in first half; rallied from multiple double-digit deficits.
  • “That’s two weeks in a row… He’s off to a great start.” – Bucky Brooks (61:14)
  • Comparison: First Big 12 QB since Mahomes to throw for 400+ in consecutive games (62:55).

• NFL Scout Watch — Josh Cameron:

  • Baylor WR Josh Cameron: 6’1”, 218 lbs, dynamic (4.45 speed, 21 mph tracked), big-play threat and standout return man.

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5. Other Quick Hits

• Michigan’s Underwood: Young QB flashed talent but still figuring it out. Needs more involvement as a runner—coaches perhaps too protective (20:05).
• Illinois’ Hank Beatty Emerges: Eight catches, 128 yds, plus record-breaking punt return day (70:54).
• Duke’s Vincent Anthony Jr.: Defensive end posts 2.5 sacks; flashed high-motor ability (72:29).
• Illinois QB Altmeyer’s Grit: Settled after a shaky start—“kid knows how to win games” (67:26).
• Fan Q&A & Banter: Regulars and listeners chimed in on coach hot seats, QB power rankings, and possible SEC landing spots for Iowa State’s Matt Campbell.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Mateer & Oklahoma

• “The great was great… That rail shot to Burks… the throw and catch to the tight end, Canik. Awesome.”
  – Daniel Jeremiah (01:07)

• “If I’m an Oklahoma fan, I want to climb through the screen and punch you in the face for saying it wasn’t pretty…”
  – Bucky Brooks (03:27)

• “He’s built different…you take one look at the dude, how thick his lower body is, how he’s built to take a pounding.”
  – Bucky Brooks (10:11)

• “Can you tame that horse?”
  – Daniel Jeremiah (15:46)

Clemson Troubles

• “I am more concerned about Cade Klubnik specifically and the Clemson offense after this win against Troy than I was after the loss against LSU.”
  – Daniel Jeremiah (27:41)

• “When you can’t protect [the QB] and the weapons aren’t where they’re supposed to be… what is a supporting cast issue now becomes your issue.”
  – Daniel Jeremiah (29:45)

• “You can be experienced all you want. But you gotta…have dudes up front too… the group hasn’t been a great offensive line.”
  – Bucky Brooks (34:02)

Florida’s Meltdown

• “I didn’t see improvement as a passer…saw him rifling balls at receivers underneath that should not have been rifled.”
  – Daniel Jeremiah (45:50)

• “Run the goddamn ball!”
  – Bucky Brooks on Florida’s late-game management (46:43)

• “That was the two points [the safety] that essentially cost them the game.”
  – Bucky Brooks (48:38)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Mateer/Oklahoma–Michigan Breakdown: 00:49–19:56

  • Mateer’s play: 01:07–10:55
  • Oklahoma’s run game/defense/offensive line: 04:46–10:55
  • NFL projection/Kyler/Baker comps: 13:28–17:36

• Florida’s Upset Loss to USF: 39:01–55:20

  • Coaching/play-calling debate: 46:43–48:36
  • Florida’s schedule outlook and QB critique: 52:54–54:08

• Clemson Survives Troy (But Concerns Grow): 26:30–37:26

  • Klubnik struggles and offensive line woes: 27:41–36:59

• Sawyer Robertson & Baylor–SMU Classic: 56:29–64:03

  • 400+ yds in back-to-back Big 12 games: 62:46–63:16

• Under-the-radar Performances & NFL Watch: 66:57–72:48

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Overall Vibe and Takeaways

• Tone: Honest, excitable, unvarnished—insider football talk at its best. The hosts blend technical breakdowns (footwork, OL play, defensive adjustments) with storytelling and heated debates, always returning to talent evaluation and NFL draft stakes.
• Utility: This recap is rich in specifics for any fan who missed the games—especially those interested in draft-eligible prospects, coaching decisions, and pressing questions facing blue-chip programs after chaotic early results.

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For Next Episode

• Brooks to do a film study on Clemson’s offensive line.
• Continued tracking of “wild horse” QBs (Mateer, Robertson, etc.) and their NFL translation.
• Deeper look at programs teetering between playoff hopes and existential crisis.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

Just Cannock has been one of my favorite players this year. Man, he's coming out of nowhere.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. And that flea flicker, he kind of didn't run through it, but Matir kind of overshot him late in the game.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah. Can I just say something?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

If I'm an Oklahoma fan and I know you, you like Matier and you're getting a little excited about him now, I want to climb through the screen and punch you in the face for saying it wasn't pretty. I mean, 19 carries, 74 yards, two touchdowns, 270 yards stop. For an Oklahoma team coming off a horrific season. Now they think they have their quarterback. I don't care if it was pretty or not. It was awesome.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Normally what happens is when someone starts with the negative and they've been hyping up mater all summer and they've been hyping up material all season and they came on and did the something the social clip that did went almost viral. Like Matier is going to be the face of college football. He's the guy in the. In college football. Normally someone like you ment would say McShay's probably going to finish with but just celebrate. No buts. Okay.

[Bucky Brooks]

No butts.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

How awesome was Matier? I love that. First of all, Dion Burks had a really nice night and Cannon did a couple. Couple nice things. The other receivers were kind of hit and miss. I want people to remember this though when they, when they are kind of unraveling this whole game. That Michigan defense and I know they lost a few guys to the league. That's a damn good group.

[Bucky Brooks]

Still a good group.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You said it last week watching the tape. I, I agree they like that is a tough team. And so what. What happened was Oklahoma realized that and by the way Jade not like I love Nagy and and he didn't lie and. And the reports from thaml like no one's lying. He was out there and, and like. But he. I don't the final numbers. I looked it up at one point.

[Bucky Brooks]

Well, the most notable play he had was the muff kickoff return. That's what you remember the most from this game.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He had four carries for nine yards and But Blaylock, Tory B. Blaylock, who's who appears to be at this moment and not remember coming off the shoulder injury, didn't play, only had one carry negative two yards in the first game. He now has through two games five carries Mench. But I thought to myself like well did he re injure did he get out there and maybe he's like very limited but then they put him in on that kickoff return after they had a. A, a situation earlier in the game and, And OTM that. That kickoff return. And so, like, clearly he's healthy enough to do some things.

[Bucky Brooks]

What's going on?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, what's going on?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So, like, for. If we're looking at Oklahoma, big picture down the road, they've got to find a sustainable, reliable run game. Right. But this also is a Michigan team that prides itself. I'm a Wink Martindale guy. He's actually a friend of the show, by the way, if you didn't know.

[Bucky Brooks]

Oh, that's awesome. No, I didn't know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, Wink is. He's the man. But he's also like, just because I like him as a guy doesn't mean he's great at his job, but Google him, you know? So that defense is going to be top 10 worst, top 15 in the country this year. And they only gave up 24 Matier. They realized, like, our receivers aren't uncovering the way we want outside of burks at times. Michigan starting to dial up some more pressures as they made adjustments.

[Bucky Brooks]

I thought that was a great adjustment.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The pressure stuff.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, the, The. Because it was. It was making the quarterback runs harder. It was forcing him to get rid of the ball. I think it was almost counterintuitive for me because I thought the receivers were playing well in the first half, and I didn't want to. Looking at that. I was like, I don't know if you want to play, man against these guys, but it was the right move. Playing. Playing aggressive and playing man behind it and just trying to get after materials as much as possible. Now, material burned him a couple times with it, but that' Frontier is going to do. I mean, when he get. When he shakes off a sack and throws a ball down the right side, I mean, it's just some of the stuff that he can do. You just have to live with. He's just gonna make that play every.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Once in a while. His competitiveness. I've said this. This to you before, men. I'm looking something up real quick.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's outrageous.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm telling you. Like, I'm not. There's. There's no. You can't substantiate. You can't. Like, there's nothing tangible. But I refuse to believe there's a human being in playing college football that is, like, more competitive and will lay it on the line more than this guy for whatever that is. And I'm looking through my notes. There was a play from last year where I was like, oh, this guy's different. This guy's different. He. He was. It would. They were up by like 20 points in a game. Oh, here it is. 3416 Texas Tech game last year. 754 remaining in the fourth quarter. Okay, this play, like, I had to look up the time code. This play is burned into my mind. He takes off running, gets he like, pass, no one's open. Takes off, gets to the second level. That play would have given him a first down. Like you saw several times tonight. The sidelines right there. It's your friend. You don't need the two, three extra yards. You're the starting quarterback. We need to keep you healthy. And those guys were amazing. Blue, like, they hit hard. He's not going to do it unless he's literally forced out of bounds. This play though, they're up 34 to 16 in this game. And it's 7:54. Midway through the fourth quarter, he cuts, instead of going out of bounds, cuts back inside, up the left rail, the left sideline, not only like then, then extends it another like 20 yards down inside the 10. As he approaches the 10 yard lines, there's two defenders converging. You know what a sane human, human being does, Mitch? When you're up 34, 16 midway through the fourth quarter, you've already taken it for the first down inside the 10, a sane human being sides. Instead, he starts looking back in a full sprint. And the dude runs in the four fours. I'm convinced, worst case, four fives.

[Bucky Brooks]

I feel like it gets lower every time you talk about him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Fine, four fives. He can run, but he's sprinting towards the goal line as these two guys are coming in to try to kill him. And he does this and then this, and he tries to stiff arm both of them and they drag him down about the two. That's when I was like, oh, this guy's built different. This guy's built different.

[Bucky Brooks]

And he's also literally. He's also literally built different. I mean, you've talked about this a lot. It's. They talked about it on the broadcast tonight. It takes one look at the dude to see how thick his lower body is and how he's uniquely built to take a pounding as a runner. Remember Iron head shake off shots? Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Remember Iron Hill? Like if you saw, if, if you saw him and someone like put like a blind over from waist up, right? You just saw from like quads down, you'd be like, he's a fullback, right? He's a mashing 240 pound fullback or. Or tailback, Like.

[Bucky Brooks]

I agree.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So it does beg the question, and we're not going to have the answer right now, but I'm already getting texts from, like, Breer and other people. I just got a text from him. That's why it's fresh in my mind. Albert Breer, good friend. What's up with Matir? Yeah, people only text us if they, you know, in moments like that. Like, what are you. What are you hearing? What do you think? What are your thoughts? You know, I'm gonna be really interested.

[Bucky Brooks]

What are you thinking?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, I don't care what I'm hearing. I'm thinking. I'm thinking everything that I thought coming in. Except. Except, remember we said. And where's the schedule? What did we say? Mensch.

[Bucky Brooks]

He put himself in a position.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He put himself in a spot, and he purposely put himself in this spot where it's kind of the fu. To everybody. Go ahead. You got it.

[Bucky Brooks]

Texas, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Alabama, starting on October 11th. Not to mention an Auburn team that I think that, yeah, they look good. People overlook. Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you saw what Baylor did right.

[Bucky Brooks]

Then, which makes that Auburn win even more impressive, Right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yep.

[Bucky Brooks]

So, yeah, that's. I mean, that's. That's a tough road. I mean, that's a. If you play at a high level over that stretch, I mean, it's going to be hard. Oh, by the way, I missed LSU at the end, so. He still got LSU too.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. You see how good that defense was for lsu. Yes. Maybe comes is not quite as good as we thought, but.

[Bucky Brooks]

I would never say that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I know that. I'm just. But this. This is a class now with Garrett Nussmeier, with potentially Lenora Sellers, with Cade Club Nick. And I'm not going in order here. I'm just spitballing with Carson Beck, rising with Fernando Mendoza, who we're excited to see when Indiana starts playing competitive football ball with Sam Levitt, who it appears that they just dropped a game with Drew Aller that some people like more than others. But a lot of people in and around the league seem to think he could be a first rounder.

[Bucky Brooks]

What about your boy and Baylor? You didn't even mention him yet.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Sawyer? Robertson.

[Bucky Brooks]

Robertson.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I. We'll get to him in a minute. I'm just saying.

[Bucky Brooks]

I know, but you should mention him in this class.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like I. I am.

[Bucky Brooks]

Okay.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All right. I am sure. Who's next up?

[Bucky Brooks]

Make sure you get your guy in.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Thank you. It's just interesting because he is so different than the rest but he's not all that different from a Kyler Murray coming out, from Baker Mayfield coming out. These are the guys that are like, you know, I'm going to be fascinated to see when we get seasons done and. And NFL teams and coaches and everyone starts and he's down in Mobile, I'm assuming, for the Senior Bowl. What's the. What's that going to be like? What's the. Because, remember, I want to remind everybody, myself included, I hadn't done enough. Like, I. I hadn't done enough work because we were starting the show and all that on Jackson Dart. Jackson Dart went down there. And I had the conversation with a head coach that wound up drafting him that. I don't know that you're gonna. You're definitely not gonna take him at 5, is what I said. I don't know where you're gonna get him, because I do think he might wind up going in the first round. Not convinced of it right now, but I don't know how you'll get him, but I'd love to see you coaching him, because I think it's a perfect fit and it turned out to be true with Brian Dable. And that's a conversation you. I mean, you saw me have with Brian and. And I never shared that before, but here we are and what's it matter, right? And it worked out exactly like that. Can't take him at five in this class. There's too many good players. But I'd love to see you find a way to get him. That's what they did. That was in January. Okay.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah. Master class.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'll be really interested to see where we are with Matier, because this guy's special. He's a competitor. I. You talk to Nagy and other people in Oklahoma, like, the work, the grind, it's real. It's not phony. You see the joy on his face. You see the teammates love him. You see the. The mobility that he has. You see the arm and the torque and the ability to drive the ball. It's just a. What's different is he's so wild. Can you tame that horse? Do you know what I mean?

[Bucky Brooks]

I do. I know exactly what you're saying. I mean, I don't know if I'd put it that way. I mean, that's an interesting way of putting it, but still, I get.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

As a passer, you've got to find a way to tame that horse.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

A lot of people, including myself, said a lot of the same things about.

[Bucky Brooks]

Without the tricky part about all of that is, we've talked about this with other quarterbacks. You have to find a way to do it without preventing him from being himself. He still has to have that element of his game. He's always going to have to have a little bit of danger to him because if he's not, then he's not, he's not mater that. He's not that kid anymore. He's not that player anymore. So you're going to want to, you know they tried to rob that of.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Baker Mayfield in Cleveland.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yes.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Even after the playoffs. And then he had to go to McVeigh in a last minute deal to start and learn the play playbook on like Wednesday or Thursday before a Sunday game. But McShawn let him play. So it is, it's going to be as much about someone seeing all the good and not trying to make you something that you're not in the NFL. He's going to be fascinated. But I don't know how you wake up on Sunday and look at the college football landscape now. Okay. And if you close your eyes and you think about who are the guys, the stars, the guys you absolutely have to play. See the guys that like are on the billboard. If we were to do a college football billboard in Manhattan right now, Times Square. Re rack the re rack the NCAA 25. Who are the three guys you're putting on the COVID or on that billboard?

[Bucky Brooks]

It might be Jeremiah Smith, Nussmeier and Matir.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Those are the three, I would say right now. No question.

[Bucky Brooks]

Really?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, absolutely. I, I absolutely. Okay.

[Bucky Brooks]

Makes the most sense.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm not part of like a PR and marketing and maybe Underwood still would and maybe. Oh, are Arch absolutely would be. Sorry, Arch would be. But like I'm talking after now seeing two weeks of football, who are the guys that you, you know, believe in the most? And I'm not even talking marketing appeal. I'm talking like who are the guys right now?

[Bucky Brooks]

Those are my three. I would put him over Arch, who I think has a super bright future. But I just. Those are the three right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I agree. And so that's what I was hoping this game game would do for him because I have so much respect for him for the way John Mattier plays this game and I'm glad that it turned out this way. What else jumped out at you in this game? Before we move on, the lines I.

[Bucky Brooks]

Think are interesting because I think the offensive line, I think material made a bunch of plays. They didn't run the ball that well. I think Mater made a bunch of Plays in spite of his offensive line play. At times, the offensive line is a concern. But I'll say this. I was not old. I knew Oklahoma was talented up front. Defensively. I was not overly impressed with their play when I went back and watched the tape last week. And we'll see how I feel after I watch the tape this week. But it seems to me that someone lit a fire under their ass this week because they look like they were a different unit up front. Those defensive tackles looked as good as advertised. The guys, I mean, Marvin Jones Jr. Who I like coming into the year, looked real good. I just thought that that defensive front maybe overlooked the opponent last week, and Venables brought them in and sat down when they watched the film and corrections were made and lessons were taught and they came out and played like a different group, like the group that we thought we were going to see coming out, coming into the season. So that's really encouraging for Oklahoma. I do think the run game and the offensive line play is still something to keep an eye on and something that could catch up with them.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, you got the right man in the job for Oklahoma's offensive line. And I thought that they played better in the first half, truly even in the first quarter, than they did in the second half, the offensive line. But beaten bow. Beaten bow is the. Like, he's the. The Crumbs. Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, he's. He's the. One of the best man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So. Yeah. What do you think on Underwood? Honestly, excited to see what he does.

[Bucky Brooks]

I thought it was they. At some point you got to let him play, you got to let him go do his thing. And I thought that there was times that they. They move the pocket with him a little bit. And when you, when they did, you got to see him do his thing. Obviously, Venables, I mean, that is a real learning moment for a young quarterback. When you go and you play Brent Venables in, in Norman or, you know, when they had to go to Clemson to play him back in the day, that is a tough task for any quarterback, let alone one who's. What is he, 18 or 19? I mean, that's just a tough task. But I love the talent, man. You see the flashes of the talent. I'd like to see them use him as a. More as a runner. I don't know why they're not doing that yet. I don't know if there's a concern. Maybe they're just trying to protect him, but I felt like they could have maybe put him in a better position to Succeed instead of being so concerned about protecting him, both as a decision maker and as you know, as physically. But I. I can't wait to watch this kid develop. I think it's going to be. He's going to be awesome.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think what he is in game five and six is totally different from what we saw tonight. I think that there's this tug of war of. For Sherrod Moore, for Chip Lindsay.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's not easy, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's not. We say, by the way, I hold Sark in the, like, the highest regard. The Manning family obviously does too. I didn't. And we saw with Ohio State and it actually was effective for Ohio State in that first game against Texas of letting. Letting this young guy, this inexperienced guy go be what made him such a high recruit. But like pulling you back to the middle of. But we're so talented everywhere else. Let's not put him in a spot. That's where he's going to start to lose confidence or things fall apart because he is inexperienced. Right, Right. And I think we saw that tug of war all night long. Right?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think when you get past Central Michigan and if they can get a win at Nebraska and a win versus Wisconsin, I think what we start to see against Wisconsin and then that trip to usc, which is looming and I've been trying to tell people USC is better than people think. We'll see how that goes. I think Michigan, worst case, I can't envision anything worse than going to Ohio State on Nov. 29 for that rivalry game or having Ohio State come to them, I should say, right? Yeah, they're eight and three.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, I agree.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Worst case, they. Central Michigan's a win. They should win at Nebraska. Wisconsin at home should be a win. And I don't like doing this whole. But like usc, I could see that being a loss or even a Washington team like one of those two. But then you got Michigan State, Purdue, Northwestern, Maryland, Maryland. Like they're. They're gonna go in there on a roll and. And if they only drop, let's say they drop one. But there's also Michigan fans. It's like a legitimate. I'm looking at the legitimate chance if they get to Underwood in the next two games. Central Michigan, Nebraska, three games, Wisconsin, if they get him to a level that I think that they actually can, they could go in as a. As a 10 in one team to Ohio State with the Big Ten title on the line. Unless Penn State runs it. So, yeah, it's. It's interesting to see what's going to happen with the big chance to play in the. In the Big Ten Championship.

[Bucky Brooks]

Right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, that would. That would get him into the Big Ten championship. So, yeah, like, it'll be interesting to.

[Bucky Brooks]

See what happens with. I don't know if they're in the Big Ten champions, because Penn State and Penn State and Ohio State will probably be. I don't know, whatever.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But it will be interesting to see.

[Bucky Brooks]

What happens with Marlon Klein because obviously he was missed tonight. But the interesting thing about that is, over the next three games, it might force them to find other playmakers in the passing game.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They.

[Bucky Brooks]

Because there was clearly a void without Klein in that game. They were trying to figure it out, and some of the other guys started to step up a little bit, but they need those guys to play a bigger role. If you don't have Klein in the lineup for the next game or two, it might actually help them in the long run by forcing them to find other players.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

McCully Kid's a player, but.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, that catch he made, I mean.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But young, but, you know, raw, I should say he's a senior, but he's. But I don't know. Where has he been, actually?

[Bucky Brooks]

I thought he was young. I didn't know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I thought he was, too. He's 6, 5, 2, 15. I don't know what his deal is. Probably should know better than that. But three catches, 91 yards.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, my fault.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, no other receiver had more than one catch, so. All right. I think that's pretty much. Pretty much covers it. That Oklahoma State schedule is brutal, but this is a team that, like, you start to see some of the cracks in some of those other programs. You know, Ole Miss is absolutely beatable. You know, South Carolina is beatable. They're not South Carolina last year yet. They may be. So it's just going to be interesting to see. I think this Oklahoma team, as. As we said during our preseason stuff is a lot better than people think. Where you want to go? I'm actually going to flip it. I want to go to Clemson. Okay. There were two games going on at the same point in time where it's like, I kept thinking to myself, that, quote ingest, there's truth. So, like, yeah, you're making a joke, but I know you. There's still something in here that, like, there's a reason why you're cutting at me a little bit. But it's funny and we can laugh about it. But I can tell, like, it's still that. That little thing about me pisses you off a little bit, right? Ingest. There's truth. And as I'm watching these games and both teams are losing and it doesn't look good at halftime, I'm like, I do like I strongly believe both teams are going to snap two and come back and win. And in the fourth quarter, both those games, I was like, yeah, that's. That's what's going to happen. Ain't pretty.

[Bucky Brooks]

But, but Clemson in Florida, right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Clemson in Florida. Florida. Okay. Number 13 ranked Florida playing USF in the Swamp. Number 8 ranked Clemson ranked Clemson playing Troy in Death Valley. And they're both losing at halftime. But I'm like, I'm, I'm not that like they're going to snap to. There's a rain delay. Clemson, Florida, but they're going to be fine. And for one of them, they were. For the other one, they weren't. Florida obviously wound up losing 18 to 16. Clemson comes back and wins 27 16. Everything looks fine. The scoreboard, tight games, bad weather in the Southeast. A lot of teams like Georgia was close with Austin P. And. But that. The reason I want to start with Clemson is. And I want to make this point. Even though they came back in one by 11 points, I am more concerned about Cade Clubnik specifically and the Clemson offense after this win against Troy than I was after the loss against lsu.

[Bucky Brooks]

Fair.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I really am.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm gonna let you go on this one. I mean, I don't want to. I. I've done enough for the Clemson fans. I'm gonna let you. Let you speak, but I do agree with you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I think I'm speaking for the Clemson fan. Clemson fan when I say we all know Cade Klubnick is a phenomenal quarterback. I know he's prepared. I saw his work ethic. I saw I in. In, you know, in person. I saw the way he carries himself, how hard he's. He's grinding to get little things from Peyton Manning, the shape that he's in. Everything it's right like in late June, early July, where you want your quarterback to be mentally and physically and all those things. We saw the tape last year, saw him get better as the season progressed. We saw him do some special things. We saw that long run against Pittsburgh to win the seal, the game. We saw, you know, in the College Football Playoff. Playoff, like battling back. We saw before that to get into the College Football Playoff in the ACC Championship, upsetting smu. We know what Club Nick is, but I don't care who the quarterback is if you can't protect him and the weapons aren't where they're supposed to be. What is it? What is a supporting. Supporting cast issue now becomes your issue because you're not comfortable in the pocket. You're starting to rush throws, you're starting to make bad decisions. You're not trusting the things around you, the elements, the protection where the receivers are going to be is my. Can my back actually protect. And I saw it against lsu, but it's the first game of the year. Then you go watch the tape, you study those things and you start to correct them and sure as shit we're going to have this corrected. For Troy.

[Bucky Brooks]

For Troy, right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I get it like there was a rain delay and it was kind of a funky game and it felt disjointed. But you're, you're still Clemson. Those are still four returning starters.

[Bucky Brooks]

You're still two first round picks on the defensive line. You're getting.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And the defense played good and, and went from. They still were playing good and then they played great in the second half. I watched it because I went from like Ole Miss, you know, Ole Miss, Kentucky was a tight game and, and I'm so I'm watching that and I'm watching Kansas, Missouri because that's an interesting rivalry game and that's a tight game and Jalen Daniels is doing special things. But then they're coming back, big game, he played great.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But the Clemson thing, when I saw the score, I saw seven nothing in the rain delay. So I kind of put it on, on the back burner and then I saw they come, they're back playing. So I checked in on it. I watched a seven minute span mensch where it was two costly turnovers that bang. Led to a field goal. Then bang, it was the interception six right. It was down to like the, the five or something like that. And then they scored on the subsequent play or plays. And then I'm watching Club Nick and then I watched this and this is what makes me. It was smart football and I understand what they were doing. But when you got Cade Clubnik who could be the number one overall pick in the NFL draft, and I know Antonio Williams is still out and he's a star wide receiver, but you got.

[Bucky Brooks]

Wesco.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Wesco. Yeah, I always go wesco and more. And you got dudes, you come out from halftime and now. Because now you're scared, it went from cute 7 nothing. Now it's 16 nothing at the half.

[Bucky Brooks]

Nothing. Yeah, 16, 16, 16 three at the half they got.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, it was 16 three, but it just wasn't. They came Out. Got the ball. Second half. You know what was interesting to me, Mensch? That first drive of the second half when backs were against the wall and like, we better nip this now because it start like they're getting confidence balls. Not rolling our way tonight. We bet. Like this is they came out and had a 10 play drive. They ran it eight times. They don't trust their protection.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And they just don't. And you know what? They shouldn't. So I don't know how you fix that besides. But because it's the same guys, it's not like, you know what I mean? So is it different personnel? But I'm watching club. Club Nick didn't. Club Nick didn't look great. And his feet weren't set sometimes in that first game. And he made some throws and you could tell the pressure was getting to him. But it was against LSU and they brought in a bunch of dudes in the portal and they got athletes everywhere and they're rotating eight guys along the defensive line and they're really getting pressure on him. This is Troy. How are you not more scared after this game? Because like I said in Jess, there's truth. Like, yeah, you came back in one and everything looked good. And it was just a kind of weird week two and everyone's kind of having an off week. But there was a flaw in there. There was something wrong in there.

[Bucky Brooks]

Do you put any stock in this being a hangover game?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Fine, it can be a hangover game. But in hangover games, you have the turnovers that you had. Those are like, I'm fine, he fumbled, fine. He threw an interception. I'm talking about the plays in between, man. Where I've got a quarterback who's a veteran, been through a lot of wars. It's going to be a first round NFL draft pick. And I don't trust when I come out of halftime that I can protect him. And I'm starting to worry because he's affecting him, seeing ghosts and his feet aren't right and he's rushing things. He's not making good decisions. And it's Troy, I don't know. I don't want to make this.

[Bucky Brooks]

He doesn't have a safety blanket. Antonio Williams, like, he doesn't have that. That, you know, the guy that he can rely on in that moment, which is, you know, just goes to what you're saying.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Bucky Brooks]

I hear you, man. I said it. I said it in the very beginning of the year and I'll keep saying it. You can be experienced all you want. But you gotta. I mean, you gotta have dudes up front too. Like, it's nice that this group's played together for so long, but they haven't been a great offensive line.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So the defense is a really good unit and Tom Allen's doing a really good job. And they were just put in bad spots today and they weren't perfect and they kind of a hangover game. But like, they, they buckled down when they needed to, you know, interceptions, turning the ball over, all that stuff.

[Bucky Brooks]

Shut out in the second half.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, but what, what becomes of this Clemson team that everyone had ranked in the top five coming in the year that I'm aware of?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, I mean, look, they got the Georgia Tech, Syracuse, North Carolina. These are all games that I feel pretty comfortable about them winning. Then they got smu, Duke.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Georgia Tech will beat their ass up front if. If they're not. You know what I mean?

[Bucky Brooks]

I still think they find. I think they're too talented not to.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I know, but we would have said that. We would have said that about Troy. I don't know. I. I'm looking bigger picture and I see what you're doing and I'm not like mad at you. Well, this is what, this is what.

[Bucky Brooks]

I'm going to say to you. Are they the 222, 2024 Clemson Tigers, where they go on this run against kind of subpar teams and they make it to the playoffs and, and then we realize that, yeah, they kind of who we. They are who we thought they are. They're a good football team, but they're not the Clemsons that, you know, were competing for national championships. They're not that program anymore. Or are they the program that's going to compete for national championships? Like we thought they were going to come into the season. Like, which one of these things are we going to get? Because I think their schedule is going to hide some of the warts, I think.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, their defense is a hell of a lot better than a year ago. We know that from the jump. And their offense got a hell of a lot better in the second half of last year. So if you're a Clemson fan and we're all pulling for Club Nick. That's true.

[Bucky Brooks]

But then you say the. You're also saying they only won 27 to 16 against Troy and got a scare.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I know. Is this just a blip? Who did they have Georgia Tech next?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep. Syracuse, North Carolina.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Though, that Georgia Tech game. I, I'm. I'm way more curious about than I should be.

[Bucky Brooks]

Interesting.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because I want to see are there. Are there new helmets starting in the offensive line? What. What is changing? One time is. Is maybe an opponent. One time's maybe a fluke. Maybe it's the first game. Maybe it's all those things for it to be rearing its ugly head again, there's a. There's a problem and it needs to be addressed. So Tron Aries has arrived.

[Bucky Brooks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Bucky Brooks]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

The real ugly thing happened.

[Bucky Brooks]

I was gonna say, speaking of problems.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And yeah, you ruined a four leg parlay for fanduel.

[Bucky Brooks]

You know, you put it in, you have you have. You have the final say and you put it in there. That's all I'm gonna say. And you knew something was wrong, by the way.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You knew something was wrong. You have onions. You had to. You had season all the way down to three and a half. You have absolute onions coming on the attack right now. Because I was actually gonna like. But let's just. Let's move on to the ball. Let's talk about Florida. You messed up our fork. But I want to remind you, we both had two individual plays and decided we were going to collaborate. It was going to be a mention McShay collab because FanDuel is nice enough to keep these lights on and to put.

[Bucky Brooks]

Fanduel loves me.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And you put food on. On your beautiful little girls plate. At night. You get three that have left the nest, but you got one beautiful little girl who still needs shoes. And FanDuel is supporting all this. So part of me thought you sabotaged it because you want. You don't want Fanduel to go bank.

[Bucky Brooks]

I did not.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because we're banging four leg parlays on him every week.

[Bucky Brooks]

There's no conspiracy, fool.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Just because. Because I'm a. Because I wanted to collab with you good men at you good mensch on social media. If you want to reach out and yell at him because he ruined the four leg parlay. I even gave us alternate lines. I. First of all, you admission you wanted Michigan plus the points. I wiped that out. I wanted Oklahoma. Know how that went then. Then I gave you an alternate line. It was 17. I did a minus 620 to get your Florida Gators, who I love, by the way. But not in this game. On the board.

[Bucky Brooks]

You knew something was wrong.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I nailed Iowa. I nailed Illinois and nailed Baylor. And then Florida mine. All they had to do was win by four. And that brings us to number 13, Florida, scoring a measly 616 points against USF. And listen, we come back on Monday, we're back on Thursday. We're back all year. You know where to find us, folks.

[Bucky Brooks]

Not this week. We're in Chicago on Wednesday night.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Good point. Oh, yeah, by the way.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I don't even have our feed pull up. What am I doing? I think it was like Cal coming on. There's just a lot of chaos. I want to see who's. Who's on here. But by the way, if you're watching the live show, the live stream, you're on there right now. Thank you. For starters. Secondly, if you live in the Chicago area, And you got nothing to do on Wednesday night. Or if you do, make different plans. Lincoln Hall, 7 o' clock central time. Mensch, myself, Big Cat, Barstool, Big Cat. We're going to be there and we're gonna have a blast. So keep that in mind if you're watching or if you're watching tomorrow after the fact. Wednesday is the big day. We're excited. You saw the sign up, I sent you the picture. Brother in law walked by the McShay show right outside Lincoln Hall. So that's going to be a fun night. I do want to say this. Florida, brutal loss, you cannot. With that schedule, you can't ever, you can't ever drop this game. My point that I was going to say is we're back all week, we're back all year. This ain't going to be a USF show tonight, folks. I think USF plays, plays Miami next week, by the way. They do?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Awesome. So you know what will become more of a USF show as the week goes on, right? Not tonight. And yes, I do consider USF's just a really good football team, but they ain't Florida, talent wise. And this is a home game. And as you pointed out wisely the other day, you pointed this out, maybe USF beaten Boise State in the manner in which it did. Woke up Florida to like, oh, we're not just throwing our helmets on the field. Right. We gotta go. Actually, we gotta. So there's no excuse. No, they didn't get caught. Pants down. Hey, it's Troy.

[Bucky Brooks]

Shouldn't have.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No. They got their ass beat. And they showed inefficiencies throughout. Lagway completed. They didn't protect well. They didn't generate the run game they should. Their defensive line did not generate pressure consistently. That group with Tyreek SAP, with our defensive tackle, wasn't in the game.

[Bucky Brooks]

Caleb Banks didn't play today.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, that's right. So that helps. But why isn't he playing? Penalties, special team meltdown for the safety box to snap. Made it 15, nine to start the fourth quarter.

[Bucky Brooks]

Lost by two.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

All those things. So this was not just Lagway, but again, we've got. We've got some really big stars in this game at the quarterback position to start this year. And we got some guys like Nuss Meyer, who's played, who played better in that first game than I expected him to. And I don't know that my bar could have been higher for Nussmeier coming into the year. And he exceeded it.

[Bucky Brooks]

True.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What Mattier just did despite it being wild in classic material style, we got the full treatment. It was awesome. That is a gladiator out there. Prepared, hungry, whatever it takes. Okay. We got Sellers doing some special stuff. We got certain guys doing those things. But now we've got like is saying as good as we think at Ohio State. Well, it looked good today. They won like 69 or 70 to nothing. But he did his job the first week. Gonna need see growth. Underwood gonna need to see growth. These mega stars Arch look better today. Gonna have to continue to see growth. You know what I mean?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And then, and then there's DJ Lagway who's as talented as any any of them. It was hard to watch at times, man.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, I don't.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I didn't see. I didn't see improvement as a passer. I didn't see the timing in the touch. I saw him rifling balls at receivers underneath that should not have been rifled. I saw him overthrow badly rolling to his right in the middle of the third quarter overthrow his receiver for an interception. I also question this drove me nuts and I'll. It's all you. Florida gets the ball back. 250 remaining. Leading by a point own territory but closer to Midfield leading by one. 250 left. It's first and 10. This USF team has put. We ain't no style points here. Like. Like. Let's get out of our own stadium. Let's get out of our own stadium. First and 10. They only have two timeouts left. Run the ball. I knew that as a.

[Bucky Brooks]

Run the goddamn ball.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Run the ball. I don't know. Like I.

[Bucky Brooks]

You know what else is wild about that? I just have to say this.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But if Lagway checked out of that, if Lagway checked out of that, add it to the list and put it at the top of the list of ups in this game. If. If he didn't. The coaching staff is going to be. Is more. Even more responsible than it should be. And to be quite honest, it's a collaboration of both because there has to be a cooler head or a smarter head that prevails. And so if you put in a play, if you call into play in the headset, there are ways to say to. To determine that we can't check out of this. Not negotiable here. Everyone has different language for it. Just like when you call in an rpo, there's. There's a word in the play. Call something that indicates you're actually. This is a design. This is an absolute designed handoff. Here I. You don't have the option. That was brutal. And so what happens? They throw for an incomplete pass in first and 10. USF only has to burn two timeouts. They get the ball back with like 205.

[Bucky Brooks]

It was a 27 second drive. It's wild. It's what.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And there was other times.

[Bucky Brooks]

This is what was nuts to me. There was other times in this game that you needed to be aggressive. I thought they could have gone for a couple of fourth downs and kind of maybe like establish their dominance and be like, we're the big brother here. We're going to take, we're going to make a play right here, right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We're.

[Bucky Brooks]

We have an all world quarterback. We know we can do this and punt, punt, punt, punt. And it was like, what are we doing? And now when it matters the most, we have a three play, 27 second drive because we wanted to get cute on first down.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What are we doing?

[Bucky Brooks]

What are we doing? I'm sorry because I mean I think coach Napier is a good coach and we obviously had him on last year and he was a great guy. But when you look at this game like some of the management at the end of the game, the execution on special teams, when you have a snap that goes out of the end zone, you don't know how the games that unfold after that, but essentially cost them the game. That was the two points that essentially cost them the game. And then players committing selfish penalties at the end of the game. I mean, I was stunned. Stunned. They had to go. It was. South Florida had to go 87 yards at the end there. That was, it was an 87 yard drive, actually. I don't know how that all works, but anyways, I was just, I think there was the personal foul. Yeah, unsportsmanlike conduct. The Duke. You think you would learn. Tell me if I'm right about this. He got, he got. If I'm remembering this correctly, Brennan Beck got kicked out for spitting on someone.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You would think, yeah, I saw that.

[Bucky Brooks]

That could not happen after what happened Thursday night, after what happened with Jaylen Carter in the Philadelphia Eagles. You would think that there's no way in the world that can do. Now that's not always the coach's fault out. You know, like it is what it is, but like that's on you. The buck stops with you. You had zero penalties last week. You had 11 for 103. And there were a key points like that. That unsportsmanlike penalty. 15 yards takes them to 24 to the 39. All of a sudden they're rolling. They've got a really good kicker. It was stunning to me. Just stunning to me. Some of the decisions late, the execution. It was just all. It all came apart.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I do. I mean, it is. It is 12:15am in the east coast. And I'm wrong. No, you're not wrong. Okay, You're. You're not wrong. But I'm saying as. As I'm listening to you, and I promise I listen to the whole thing, and you're not wrong. Brian Haas is. Is launching a campaign to fire Napier tonight, which. That sucks. And. But Brian Haas is also. Brian Hoss might just be a salty sob, but thanks for joining us in the show because he wants Shiron Moore fired too.

[Bucky Brooks]

I get it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There's a difference between being pissed.

[Bucky Brooks]

There's a trend here.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Brian. Yeah, you're gonna have to tell your friends to phone in. See, but. But my point is, yes, there are people that are pissed. I love Billy, like, and I don't just like, I like Billy the guy. And Billy's like, always been good to us. And. But it's not that. It's. My goodness, I just can't remember a time in which I didn't think a coach had any chance in the world of getting his team to play for him and to, like, finish a season the way that Florida did last year, given the circumstances.

[Bucky Brooks]

It was incredible job that was special.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And so I look at this loss and I'm like, well, if there's an upside to it, there's. It wasn't the sec, still the conference and like. And. And all you have to do is get in the playoff. And it's not a four team playoff. It's not the, you know, the BCS era and all that stuff. So, like, hopes aren't over. But I do know this. There were like, if Lagway isn't special, while this program has a ton of talent, so do a lot of teams that they're playing.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Lagway finished with six carries for nine yards. Buddy lagway completed 7. 70% of his throws, but for 200, like 33.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

For 222, 6.7 yards per attempt. And it kept going down as the game was going on. He had that interception, which was really bad. The overthrow. I told you. Rolling to his right. He may have checked him out from a. From a run to a pass on 1st and 10 in an unacceptable situation. I don't know if that's true or not.

[Bucky Brooks]

LSU. He's at LSU next week. @ Miami the week after that.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Stop there, stop there, stop there, stop there.

[Bucky Brooks]

You're not gonna want me to stop there, though. They get a buy and then they. Then they. Then Texas comes to town. Their next three games are lsu, Miami, Texas.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

So they like if. If they don't. What they did writing the ship and the way they played down the stretch last year compared to what they were early in the season. But it's also when Lagway came in and they got cracking. If they don't immediately from South Florida this week to that version of themselves last year, but a more experienced version, they could be looking at an early October situation where they are 1 and 4, right. Or no. 1, 2, 3, 5.

[Bucky Brooks]

Oh, yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, that's no.

[Bucky Brooks]

1 in 4. And then they. Because they would lose.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Because they're 1 and they're 1 and 1 now.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yep. And then they lose to LSU, Miami and Texas. And by the way, you know who they got the week after Texas. We said this was a possibility. They go to Texas. They go to Texas A M.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

By the way, a little shout out to Miles o' Neill for Texas A M, who came in today. Marcel Reed got. Got nicked up and didn't want him back in or protecting him or whatever. Miles o' Neill was it from. You heard Cal earlier on the show. Marblehead Swamp scouts rival Marblehead guy. And nice Alex. Alex McLaughlin, who works with a lot of quarterbacks around here, is actually working with Tate, my son. He and he and Mike McCarthy that were on the M2QB. They. They work with him every off season. Apparently you can throw the ball 90 yards in the air. He's like a phenom. Played his last year of high school in New Jersey, but he came in and did really good things. So he might be next up at Texas A M, but neither here nor there. Yeah, I mean, what. I don't think there's anything else to say. I don't.

[Bucky Brooks]

Is South Florida. I mean, I don't. I know that they just beat Boise State, but that felt like. I don't know, it just felt like Boise State was maybe a little overrated coming to the season that got away from them. Now they be Florida in Florida at Florida. Like maybe. Maybe I'm under rating South Florida.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, Brian just admitted he wants everyone fired. At least you're honest, Brian. But it does go around and say, like, no way that Napier lasts the season. And you know what? Like, if they don't turn it around and I don't, I guess so. I'm at this early crossroads in week two. And I'm like. I'm staring at two programs that are top 15 in terms of the talent and all that, but I'm staring at glaring issues that I just. And it's. And it's just one week. And maybe it's a letdown game and maybe everything's just fine. And maybe Florida comes out gangbusters and shocks the world. Maybe Clemson comes out and they run. And they run that easier schedule compared to what Florida has to go up against. I told you I'd walk in pneumonia, man. I'm a warrior stud.

[Bucky Brooks]

Just.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I'm the. I'm the. On the John Mater podcast, I was going to look up South Florida. I told you. We. We'll get to them later.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

This is.

[Bucky Brooks]

This is your Jordan game.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yes. I do want to give this a shoot.

[Bucky Brooks]

But you couldn't shoot. You'd love to shoot, but you were bad.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Shoot. That's debatable. That's debatable. Cal. Cal still can't shoot Sawyer Robertson. Let's get to some positive stuff here.

[Bucky Brooks]

I can't believe you waited this long. I. I cannot believe you waited this long. You have been dying to talk about this kid.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

He deserves it, by the way. He deserves everything. He gets all the praise he gets from you tonight.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I've told you, he's 6 4. I told you he's 220. I told you he runs, throws well on the run. I've told you. He came to Manning Passing Academy and he had Nussmeier and Sellers and Clubnik and all these guys, and he won that competition Friday Night Lights deal, And he did it by being perfect. There's an ease about the way he plays the game. There's a confidence. What I haven't told you is how resilient and tough this cat is. This is two weeks in a row that he's had his ass handed to him and bounces back. You know what happened the first four series of this game? Excuse me? He got pounded. Absolutely pounded. First two drives, 64 yards, two turnover, turnovers on downs, grinding it away, but just taking lick after lick. Next two drives, 156 yards with two touchdowns. No fear. Yeah, this. I mean, I. I'm pulling for Robertson. I want him to have an awesome year. Dave Aranda is a defensive guy and I really like him and I really think he's a smart coach. This defense is unacceptable. And Jennings is awesome. And Jennings was awesome at the half. You ready for this at the half? Mention this is the best game of the day maybe the best, the best game of the, the young college football season. The final was Baylor 48, in case you didn't watch. SMU 45 in overtime, double overtime. At the half it's like it was an absolute treat, you know, Kevin Jennings was 10 for 10 for 236 yards and two touchdowns. And Robinson and Robertson brought him back to make it a three, a three point deficit at the half, 24 21. He was 21 of 26. 234 and two touchdowns in the first half. No interceptions between them. This was like quarterbacking brilliance in very different ways. Jennings is running around doing crazy stuff. Only completed, only attempted 10 passes. Completed all 10 of them. Running, making plays. Robertson was hanging in the pocket, getting whacked, finding open receivers, escaping, but, but it was through the air for the most part. I, I just hope that people start to realize like we may have seen something in this guy and he might be worth keeping an eye on. That's two weeks in a row against two really good teams that we think SM is a good team. Preseason. What are they coming? They came into today ranked what, 17th or 16th?

[Bucky Brooks]

17Th? Yeah, there was 17.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

At SMU with the beautiful Dallas Mustang running through the helmet. Running through the D helmet coming off that tough loss against Auburn, all that stuff. Yeah, he's got something special about him. I'm not saying he's going to be a first round pick. I'm not saying he's going to be a great NFL starter. I'm just saying for a guy that they didn't even know last year if he was going to start and he transferred from Mississippi State and you just wondered if you, if it ever was going to come together.

[Bucky Brooks]

They were down 14. They were down 14 with less than nine minutes in this game. Yes, there was so many times down 10 twice in the first half. You know, you get to overtime. This is on the road. There are so many times in this game it could have been. Well, we played him tough, we kept coming back, but we just weren't able to do it, you know. You know, like you see in basketball, there's a game of runs. This is, this reminded me of basketball game.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, it was.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's a game of runs and sometimes the team will get up 20 and the other team will score 18, but just can't get over the hump because they're gassed from just trying to get back into the game. And it happens all the time. Like he just found a way, found a way to put him over the edge to to, to make it happen. I mean he really. He came real close to doing in Auburn last week. Too mean. He's. He's off to a great start.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know what else that stood out to me today? Josh Cameron. NFL scouts know him but I think and listen, I don't know how, how good Baylor's going to be. They're 1 and 1 so maybe he's not going to get a lot of like big time game run. But he's 61218 wide receiver for Baylor. 61218. He's a senior. Inconsistent throughout his career but talented. 21 mph. He's been tracked at run estimated 445 dynamic punt return man. You know he averaged at that size Nearly 21 yards per punt return last year. Wow. And kind of had a breakout year last year. Over 700, 754 receiving yards last year. Okay. 10 touchdowns last year. And how I've talked to NFL scouts about him. Could be a top 100 pick. Could be first three rounds but need to see more games like this stacked. Now the thing with Josh Cameron is first game of the year, Auburn, two catches for 54 yards. You love the yards per catch. But we. So now he comes out in this game and he has what 91151 and 2. And he's start to be that guy. But he's. Here's. He is a name Josh Cameron that NFL scouts are on and I'm excited to see if he can build on this because he's someone that you're probably going to hear his name called in the first three first two nights of the NFL draft. Last thing. Are you not. Hold on.

[Bucky Brooks]

You're not going to throw out the.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Stat.

[Bucky Brooks]

The last, the last Big 12 quarterback to throw for over 400 yards in consecutive games.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think that's the stat Baker. Because that was Big 12 at the time. Mahomes. Really?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah. He's. He's. I wonder. Yeah. I'll see if I can find it. But I believe that he definitely did something no one has done since Mahomes and I think it was over 400 yards and back to back games.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

That sounds right. That actually lines up.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You're not the best hype man in the business for nothing man. Just.

[Bucky Brooks]

Just slinging the ball out there. It's crazy.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Illinois do. Go ahead.

[Bucky Brooks]

I, I like the games with no defense sometimes. I get it. I get it. They need to play better defense if they're gonna compete and all that stuff. I like those old Big 12 games where they Loaded all over the yard.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It was kind of refreshing. Yeah, we've had a lot of defensive games in college. Like, it was an awesome quarterback game. Club, club, Nick Nussmeier, 1710 Arch versus saying the young guns, you know, like even tonight, what was the final of that? Michigan, Oklahoma, 2417, 13. Or.

[Bucky Brooks]

Probably know that that's been bouncing back and forth.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

2413. Yeah, 2413. Because they got the, the field goal late. So we're not talking about like a lot of high level offensive games going on. And like we talked about Clemson, it was 16 to three at the half. It was Florida losing 18 to six, 18 to 16. So to have a game that finishes 48, 45 and double overtime was a lot of fun to watch. We talked about all these quarterbacks in the noon window. Two of them were Robertson versus Jennings. Like lights out. Couldn't be any better than they were. Another one was Iowa, Iowa State Growski. We talked about his struggles in the first week. We hope he was going to bounce back. Going up against Rocco Beck, like, I just can't do it. I'd rather go to bed than talk about that game.

[Bucky Brooks]

It's. It was. It didn't go the way.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I just, I'm not, I'm not gonna do it if we're forced to talk about one of those, those two teams in the next few weeks. Wonderful. I hope they get all their problems fixed. I'm just not doing it tonight. I'm not doing it to the, to the people who are on here that are loyal watchers of our show. And the, the goodwill chat keeps growing and people are going, I'm not doing it to poor Brian Haas. He's gonna have everyone else fired too. He's gonna have Ference fired soon. But Illinois, Duke was interesting. It was a lot closer than the 45, 19. What was interesting to me is I actually, I actually. I don't know. Altmeyer is a really good player. I thought he was streaky today. I thought there were moments where he did. Made some nice throws and did a lot of good things. I thought there were a lot of throws though. He missed in the strike zone. He seemed like his feet were rushed. I think Duke, you know, Manny Diaz does a good job on the defensive side. Man, I thought that defense did really well. Mensah made more mistakes. Things were kind of more up and down. Mensa didn't have a receiver that could uncover for again. So that Illinois secondary can cover.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, Mensis is going to want a couple back. He wants to. He got greedy on the pick, the.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Under throw versus the zone. That under the left side, under through the zone. Defender, eyes on him. And he underthrew it for the interception that was in the fourth.

[Bucky Brooks]

Love, love the poise. You can't hold on to it that long. He'll learn that. He'll understand that you got to get it out a little quicker and realize that there might be guys coming from the backside that you're not seeing. And he just held onto the ball a couple times, lost a couple fumbles, and, you know, there's. I thought he played really well overall, but he's got. There's a four or five plays in that game that really cost them that he's got to fix.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But you know what? Here's the thing. I went into that game thinking it was going to be like a really fascinating quarterback battle. I didn't think it was gonna be a ton of points. Illinois winds up putting on 45, but it was a lot like late and.

[Bucky Brooks]

And although Meyer settled down, by the way, I thought. Yeah, okay. I thought he was really shaky in the beginning, and then he got into a groove and then there was a couple throws he missed late. But overall I thought he was really good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I agree. Didn't turn the ball over. A lot of toughness, a lot of composure.

[Bucky Brooks]

Kid knows how to win games, man, just knows how to win. That's a better Duke team than I think people realize. Duke had some.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I agree.

[Bucky Brooks]

Shot. They shot themselves in the foot today.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It did not have to end like that. No, no, it didn't. But I. I do like to throw names on the radar or early in September. It's week two. We always got an eye towards the NFL draft. And even if it's not the NFL draft. Shoot. Illinois. What was Illinois rent coming in?

[Bucky Brooks]

They were 11, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

11.

[Bucky Brooks]

And by the way, watching that game, I. I was like, man, this team looks like the 11th best team in the country. I thought they played well.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, maybe. I'm not sure yet. Stop it. I don't want to get in a fight. Like Bioma and I have had the most up and down relationship of two. Two people, media.

[Bucky Brooks]

And here he goes again. Here he goes again.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, no, I know. No, I've always been really great to be on. He's been great to me in moments. He's been an absolute prick out of nowhere for no reason to me sometimes. And that's fine, too. I don't mind. I really don't. I've sat in meetings that, like, I've set in some really personal Meetings with him, emotional meetings. And like really talked. And like, I also like, I, I emceed the freaking Rose bowl thing at Landry's or Lowry's best buds. And then sometimes he takes these jabs at me like every third, fourth year on like social media. Out of nowhere, I'm like, what the.

[Bucky Brooks]

It'S gonna keep you on your toes. I like it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But regardless, I'm not going after anything. I'm just saying I'm not sure yet. Shoot. Florida's 13, right? Clemson's eight. So yeah, maybe they are the 11th. My point is I like this team. I, I'm curious to see how they continue to grow. Great way to finish that game. But I fell in love with the player today and he wasn't, he wasn't on the radar coming into this year. Really. Hank Beatty is an absolute football player, man. I mean, I think we've got a graphic here and what I'd love to. Oh, there it is. I can't see it. The beauty of doing this stuff. But anyway, I'll tell you what I've gotten. It probably lines up with what we've got here. This guy. Oh, I can look at, look at this. Modern technology. Eight catches, 128 yards, 25 yards rushing on one carry. Okay, that was today. Eight for 128. The week before he had five catches for 108 yards. So two games now he's got 13 catches, 136. He also had four punt returns for 133 yards. Do you understand what that was? He shattered Red Grange's 102 year old record with 133 yards on four punt returns. That stretches back to 1923. Not a single person on here, probably even no, maybe a couple of them. Red Grange.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, it's awesome. He's an Illinois legend, by the way. He grew up in Illinois. Probably could have gone somewhere else.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He was a former high school Gatorade. Illinois high school Gatorade player of the year.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, legend.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But he's 511. He's 185. He might run a fight.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, I don't care. I want him on my team. I think sometimes people are like, when you say he's a football player, they think it's kind of lazy or whatever. I, I, it's just, there's no other way to describe that kind of a player. Like, he's just good at football.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

How does, how does he get open? Does he have a special, does he have great vertical? Does he have a great 40? Is he tall? Is he long? Is he big? Is he strong? No, but the dude is a player. Some guys you want to get on.

[Bucky Brooks]

The ball when the game's on the line, you want. You want them. You. You could trust him to make the play when you need it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And so he. I mean we only have gone like 100 or so deep on our preseason list. Senior bowl, they've got a bunch of scouts. They get ready for their game. They have to have their. Their stuff in or a lot earlier than. Than we do and shoot a lot earlier than NFL teams do. They get a preseason top 300. Not on it.

[Bucky Brooks]

Not on it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But this guy can play. And I don't care if it's a seventh round pick. Undrafted, like some guys find a way. I like what I'm seeing. I'm interested to see if he continues this kind of track. Ray. Ray McLeod was the, as I said, off the top of the show. It's a good. By the way because I'm not lazy and I'm not weird and I don't have to see a white receiver and call him Danny Amendola.

[Bucky Brooks]

You're a little weird.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Wes Welker.

[Bucky Brooks]

You're a little.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Take great pride in that.

[Bucky Brooks]

Another guy flashing that game though. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna. I gotta go with my trenches guy.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The.

[Bucky Brooks]

The defensive end from duke, Vincent Anthony Jr.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I didn't know a lot about.

[Bucky Brooks]

He had two and a half sacks today. All over the place in the first half. Kind of a quieter second half, but I mean 6, 6, 2, 60 and moves really well. Someone who's also on the radar now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Timothy Hart. Top seven quarterbacks. Nussmire, Sellers, Aller, Matier, Mendoza, Robertson, Clubnik. Just trying to get me going, huh?

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, just wants to needle you. Dan's is trying to get us to shut it down. Dan thinks we've.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Is he texting you?

[Bucky Brooks]

You didn't send a note.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But he told me to shut up.

[Bucky Brooks]

No, not tell you to shut it up. He's like, we should think about wrapping it up. Which is Dan's dance. Dan speak for we should. We should probably end this now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, Dan, I don't want to.

[Bucky Brooks]

Sorry, Dan.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Austin Pondel asks any chance Matt Campbell would leave for an SEC job. Matt Campbell's had some offers, man.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, he should get some offers, by.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

The way, but he has. I'll be interested to see if. Damn good coach. I don't want by me saying I pass on Iowa State. Iowa. I want to make sure everyone understands like what Campbell's doing is awesome. Like the toughness, the great. That was a physical game. All the we. We were just doing a lot of quarterback stuff and today was not the day to focus on that game with those. The way the quarterback play was in that game.

[Bucky Brooks]

Yeah, it wasn't Rocco's best game, but that's all right. They got the win.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I love it. We're getting Sawyer Robertson. Let me just say this Sawyer. About Sawyer. Wait, hold on. Where'd it go? I love the. I love how people are starting to finally get on the Sawyer Robertson boat. But let's not get carried away.

[Bucky Brooks]

You know, let's get carried away. Why not?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

He's not going out of Club Nick.

[Bucky Brooks]

We see this every year though. And it happens with someone who. That someone's going to be. Is going to be a mater. It's going to be Robertson. Too early to tell.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Timothy Hart is getting carried away. It means he's got our back. He's watching the show and he. He sees what we're. We're cooking up. All right. There's a bunch of other stuff but I think we've gone long enough as our trusty producers kindly told. Told you to tell me. Yeah, I found. We're back on Monday morning.

[Bucky Brooks]

Awesome to have Cal on. Good to see him.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, good to see Cal. I want to get the. The man's perspective on. I just honestly, Matier is special. He is so entertaining. He does all the right things and he does it the right way and I just, I want to see. Oh, you keep winning. Staying in the conversation because the game of college football this year is a hell of a lot better with that guy in the spotlight because he made primetime tonight. That was a show and it was a one man show. We knew it was going to be but until we saw it. We saw it and that was awesome. We'll see you Monday morning. Who are you going to watch on tape?

[Bucky Brooks]

I don't know. There's a lot of different angles to take. I want to go positive. So it's not going to be a deep dive into what happened with Florida. It's going to be, you know, looking deeper at the Oklahoma.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Can I give you an assignment I wanted and watch whatever you want. Obviously I would love for you through your lens as an offensive lineman and your expertise in it. I would love for you to bring back to the people on Monday as part of one of a handful of things that I think we'll do what is wrong with but like how do we fix. Is it a personnel thing or is there a guy or two on that Clemson offensive line that you just can't get the job done with. Is it. They're not working together in unison.

[Bucky Brooks]

Is it what is you just want. You want me to get killed by Clemson fans? Not only are you setting me up to get.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

No, I think, like if you're. Sorry, Dan.

[Bucky Brooks]

Sorry, Dan. But not only are you setting me up to get yelled at Clemson fans and then you want to fly me down to Clemson in, in a month or two.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I.

[Bucky Brooks]

The writings on the wall here.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I do. I want both. But I think if you're a real Clemson fan, you, you want to know, like, what's, what's actually going on without you're not going into it, like hating on Clemson. You're going into it. No, this. I, I am identifying this or that. And, and they, if I'm seeing it, they clearly are too. And here's what my guess is that they'll try to maybe do. And I'm just extending the end of this show to piss off Dan. Anything else? All right, I think we're good. Five stars. See you Monday. Must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18/ plus and present in D.C. kentucky or Wyoming. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit RG D help.com, call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit MD gambling help.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 1-800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-Hopeny or text hopeny in New York.

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