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You got your north face hat on. It's fall. We got a north. We got a nor' easter coming. I gotta send Tate to bed at some point. He's 11 years old, but it feels like the right time to shift this thing over. We appreciate everyone who's here. We'll get to some responses. And the conversation in the live chat, it's growing by the minute and I love it. This is it, bud. You know we only have 194 days.
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Don't. Don't do that. Don't do that. I'm already.
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Until the NFL draft meant you good. I was one time. Now tuck.
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Good night, Tate, boy.
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Good night, Tate. Here we are. I'm fired up, man. We got a lot to get to.
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Yeah. Anything happen today?
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Let's get into it.
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We'll get. We'll get to all the football stuff in a second, but this is the best stuff we saw. Saw today. I know. Evan Holly and Cole Marie always trade back. They're ready to go. Joel Anderson's fired up. Jeremy Godden number two tonight with the crown hat on him. Jeremy Godden is really. He's. He's getting this thing going.
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Evan Holly with the Tucker shout out.
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There's a Todd McMichigan man who's number three. We get some. Some fresh blood in here tonight. I like this. This episode is brought to you by Fox 1. Fox 1 is now live stream all your fox favorites together in one place. From major league baseball postseason to NFL on fox to big noon Saturdays with fox one. You get it all. Live start your seven day free trial today. Offers are subject to change. Go to fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox one streaming now. But we got three things. The best things we've seen today. Let's start. This is men. Of course men is going to add this to the. To the situation. The best things we saw today, the thicker. We'll call them the thick. The Thick kicker. Yeah. You know, talk to me about it. Yeah, this is all you.
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Look, man, it's just another example of a big man being an athlete. You know, just, there's so many things we can do. Everyone wants to talk about Travis Hunter, but no one wants to talk about Carson Rhodes. You know, we could play offensive line and kick and kick off in an emergency, you know what I mean? Like, it's like Kaden Proctor playing Wildcat quarterback today. The disrespect of the offensive linemen have received in the past of these just massive athletes, I think has to come to an end and stuff like this, that'll help us one day.
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And while I love everyone, our chat just doubled in size. And I love everyone who's here with us live and I love everyone who's watching us on YouTube, but we also have an audio audience that's watching this on Sunday morning, Sunday throughout the day and even into Monday. We appreciate those folks just as much. And so I want to explain to you, this was the fourth.
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I gotta be better there.
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You're. Throw it back up. Tucker, would you please? This is the fourth string kicker named Carson Rhodes. Rhodes. And he's, he's. List. Like in the bottom left corners, we're seeing a picture of number 67 at 6 foot 8, 310 pounds, a freshman from Nevada. It says underneath, 4th string kicker. They were down to their emergency kicker on kickoffs. I want to know. Iowa State a. Two things I've got to know. If anyone was around that Cyclones program, please get this information back to me. First of all, how in the world did we get down to our fourth string kicker?
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Right? Not good.
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Secondly, at what point in practice did we open things up and allow, and even allow a freshman at 6, 8, 300 plus pounds to do it?
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I think if that's the way they went, they, I mean, I wonder if they, you know, called timeout or got everyone huddled at halftime and said, can anyone kick? Like we're out of bodies, like. And Carson sitting there, I, you know, I did in high school. Let's go.
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Yeah. Yeah. I was, I was. The thicker in high school, the thicker.
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That's such a good term.
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All right, this next one, I love Oklahoma State. Not a lot. We already fired our coach. We are at a crossroads. But they, they. This says Oklahoma State may have lost again, but this is a W. You watch this crowd. It started with one man shirt off. They. They created a new student section and it went from one man in this miserable Oklahoma State situation to a massive crowd. Everyone Shirtless, the whole section, going nuts, shaking their shirts in the air. And it just became their thing. Like if you, if you're going to be there on a hot Saturday afternoon. Right. Yeah. Still in Stillwater, Oklahoma in October, you might as well have some fun with it. So I appreciate all those folks.
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It's great. It's the best. One of the best things you could be as a fan is to be excited like that. It's awesome.
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And then my last one, this look like I usually get like a smile, you know, sometimes, you know, to some of these things. This one, I found myself watching it on repeat and not laughing necessarily. Penn State fans at the. I'm not laughing at the subject matter, but just the way this was done and produced in sod. Car with a man just crying, laughing.
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Throw it on top.
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It says Signetti has more top 10 wins in a month at Indiana than James Franklin has in 10 years. He's crying. There's a man in his car who's falling backwards and honking his horn. Falling into his. Into his pedal and brake.
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Oh.
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Not laughing at you. Certainly not laughing with you. Just laughing. Just. You know what? I was going to start with Texas ou, but let's just transition right into it, okay? Selfish leadership can work for a long time. Did you ever watch Hunt for Red October?
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Oh, yeah. Love that movie.
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Gene Hackman's role, God rest his soul.
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Yep.
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Gene Hackman was, was a very effective leader for a long time in that, in that ship. In that submarine, Right?
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Yeah.
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And. And it, and it worked. And it was a dictatorship and it was his way and it was his messaging and it was the things that he said that spoke for the program. And it didn't matter if it were for self, if it was for selfish reasoning. The messaging was about the way he viewed the leadership and how things should run inside the inside, inside that vessel. But at some point with selfish leadership, Steve, what happens is something doesn't go right and mutinies happen in different fashions and forms on that boat. You can go watch the three and a half hour movie or whatever it is and you can, you can see for yourself how it manifested, how it grew over time and what the end result was at Penn State. Selfish leadership by James Franklin. You bring in really good offensive and defensive coordinators and your replace a Tom Allen who's a very well, you know, well respected defensive coordinator, goes to Clemson. You bring in Jim Knowles to try to upgrade from the national championship Ohio State Buckeyes from a year ago. You bring in different offensive coordinates Coordinators, all those things can change. They're running, they're truly running the operation of the offense and the defense while one man is overseeing the business. He's the CEO. You have an unbelievable backing, one of the greatest in all of college football. Just watch the whiteouts.
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Yep.
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And, and it would be, it would be. I can't overlook the fact that what he inherited, James Franklin, was a program in, in despair. And. Yes. And, and Coach o' Brien was there for a minute, but like there were, there were some major pieces, there was some, some major turmoil unlike anything we've ever seen before and hopefully we never see again. Okay. Correct. So, and, and it takes a certain kind of leadership to kind of forge on. And, and let's, let's put a barricade around and my, the messaging that comes out here is going to be, is going to speak for Penn State. And this is how it is. And I am the man at the top. And that's how it is. Just about every college football program and it's how it should be. There should be one voice at the top, but selfish leadership always gets found out. And when things don't go right, steady, consistent, fair leadership, those sort like the, the right kind of leadership. I've got this. I keep this quote on my desk and I didn't plan on doing this, but it's, it's here every single day. Mack Brown and I were having a conversation and he said to me, and I wish I could do his voice better at certain times in my life I could. He was saying to me on the phone one day, todd, I'm an old man, but life is simple. This is him as a head coach, national championship winner at Texas. I'm not saying he's the perfect leader. I'm not saying he's the only leader. I'm just saying this is one of a coach, hell of a coach. I'm an old man, but life is simple. Be fair, be consistent and do the right thing. And he went on to talk to me about what the right thing is by your players, for your program, for everyone in your program. And oftentimes the right thing maybe isn't the best thing for you. Maybe doesn't make you the shining beacon all the time. Maybe it's about self sacrifice. There's a lot of different. I graduated from the Jepsen School of Leadership. Does that make me better, any better than leadership coming out of University of Richmond than somebody else? No. But I know different forms of it. I had to learn it as part of a major in a program. So when I tell you selfish leadership eventually gets found out and it gets found out in different forms and there could be a mutiny on a ship or when things don't go the way they're supposed to, even though everything worked for you. Yes, you lost Tyler Warren. Yes, you lost Abdul Carter. They're kind of generational college talents at their respective positions. I understand that. But. But your quarterback came back and you decided that quarterback was better than Pibril. Bo Pribula. Thank you. Gosh. Yeah, you decided that as an organization and that's okay. But that, that's what you decided. And more importantly, you got your best two running backs back. You got a pretty much a veteran offensive lineback. You had all those players come back on the defensive side. You chose Jim Knowles, you chose Andy at the offensive coordinating coordinator position. You made these decisions. Things start to not go right and you lose that one game. Players aren't stupid, man. Even when they're 18 to 22 years old, when they hear you come out and make excuse. I said it the second it happened, bud. You and I were sitting right here just a few weeks ago. I said this doesn't fly. Anyone who sat in a locker room, this doesn't fly. When you start making excuses for travel and more importantly, like a few players were injured and, and, and we didn't recover. That's the part that got the players. I'm convinced we didn't bounce back. And, and then, and then say the, the requisite answer of but, but at the end of the day, it's my responsibility. I'll take responsibility. Kind of like I have to say, I'll take responsibility.
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Pr.
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But everyone knows that you don't. And so what's the result now? A three game skid. You lose to a program in ucla, God bless them for what they're doing and put it together and all of that. But you are. You can throw your helmet and then. And then much worse because there ain't the travel, there ain't the one week injury thing, there ain't the. The, the, the hangover from a week before.
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Yeah, you need a way.
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This is, this is like back against the wall. And if you as a leader, are fair, are consistent and you're doing the right thing day in and day out, this is not the response you're getting from a bunch of guys that are all going to go on to play in the NFL because they're that talented. I don't even say no disrespect to Northwestern because I am disrespecting Northwestern. And I'm, and I'm here to admit it.
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Come on, man.
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There is no, there's no comparison talent from one to the other.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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So, so with all of that said, I want to say two things. I think now leadership above the head coach of the head football coach at Penn State needs to step in. They need to step in because it's what's right for these players. Let these players go play free for the last eight games of their, of their careers. In some cases, let these guys see new leadership and let the, let the program, the players in the program and the people working hard every single day in the program see that there's, there's leadership above the leadership that they've had had to answer to. That's been selfish leadership for so long. That's going to step in and say, you know what? We know what's going here isn't right and we're going to fix it now. Even though it's not going to save this season.
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Right?
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Yeah. It's good for recruiting and you could get started on the next head coaching and all of that stuff. But to me, this is about the players now. And there are some players in that locker room, don't get this twisted. That are going to have to answer some really tough questions when it comes to the NFL draft when they start talking to scouts meetings in Mobile, Alabama or at the East West Shrine Game and especially at the combine and the one on one meetings and all those things. What the hell happened?
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Right?
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He didn't go on the field with you. Yes.
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You are responsible for your own tape too, man. You're responsible for your own play and that's going to be the thing that comes in.
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So I'm not giving anyone a pass here. I'm just saying this is what happened. I've been warning people about this for a while. I know came to fruition before the shutter. I'm not going to. Yes, before this year and I'm not going to shut up now. But I'm also not going to beat a dead horse. But I'm telling if, if anyone at Penn State has the ear of anyone of the top two or three people or whatever committee or group it is that helps make, helps guide this decision. Fire James Franklin tonight.
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Yeah.
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Don't let him back in the building next week. Don't, don't, don't let this drag out. It's not fair to these young men who have worked their asses off for this school and for Everybody else around it. So that's my first thing. And then my. Really quickly.
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Let me just say this to back up what you're saying. The way I see it is they need to. They need to hit the release on that pressure valve. And the only way you're going to do that is by. By severing your ties with James Franklin because then those kids are no longer feel like they're fighting for this coach, which I think is really misguided at this point. You know, there might be players on the team who are thinking to themselves and God bless them if we play better, I can save my coach's job or I can do this or I can do that in the reality is I just don't. Maybe I'm crazy. I just don't see any scenario where James Franklin, even if he wins out, is somehow able to keep that job. It's just that bad now. And I don't see them winning out. I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. So hit the release valve and let these kids understand like what the situation is so they don't feel like they're playing for something that maybe they're not playing for anymore.
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And I do think it's important for us to note as guys who cover the NFL draft and the kind of the, the home base for what we do.
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The.
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Drew Al. It was. I. I guess you get to this point. Yeah, Drew Aller is. Is lost for the season. James Franklin announced that at the press conference Right. Right after the game. I guess you get to this point in the situation and then you start kind of second guessing and qu. Like, why did we have to announce that? Does that make him. Does that. Is that a lot? And maybe I'm totally off base and it really has nothing to do with anything I'm saying. But even when I see him come out the post game press conference to like, does that distract what's really going on a little bit? Does that allow him to say, well, I got fired in the year where I lost my. My starting quarterback, who's going to be drafted and all those. I don't know. But at the end of the day, I feel terrible for Drew Aller. And while, yeah, while I don't think his tape's as good as some other NFL scouts I talked to and, and some other people who, you know, part of the national, national and Blessedo list in the preseason, all those sorts of things, and some other analysts from different networks and all that. I don't view him as highly as everyone else does. It seems so. It seems.
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Yeah.
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I still respect the hell out of the young man. Yeah.
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And he's also a young man that needed to be and we'll see. I. It seems like it was serious. I don't.
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I.
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It seems like it's. It's a serious injury and he's a person who needs to be at the Senior bowl or the east west game. He needs to be as involved in that tree pre draft process as possible. And if this is something that prevents him from doing that, I mean it's, it's just brutal to have that kind of a year and then not be able to go down there or to one of these All Star Games and really show what you can do. Maybe in a different, different situation.
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I don't know. We'll get more information. I saw even like.
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Right. I don't, I don't know either.
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I don't know if there's a potential for him to maybe get some sort of medical red shirt from the NCAA or.
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I saw something for Pete Thamel on, on, on X that suggests that he, he can't. But I don't know if you can petition that.
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I don't, I don't petition is what I'm. Yeah. Like he currently is not eligible and obviously he's played beyond four games. So like the standard, the standard eligibility is, is lost in terms of coming back. But I don't know if there's some sort of petition or if he's even interested in doing so. But that's something we'll obviously follow closely moving forward. But I do want to stay on this and I'm going to put the cart before the horse here and I'm okay with it. And I will let you know right now when we're. When I'm done making this quick statement and mention I talk about it, we will transition into Indiana, Oregon, then we'll come back to Texas ou. Okay. It's just how this thing's laying out. Okay. Coach Signetti, Kurt Signetti, when he took the Indiana job, I want you to know this. Indiana averaged 4.1 victories a season in the 30 years prior to the arrival of Kurt Signetti. IU for three decades was winning 4.1 games per season. He's now 17 2. 17 and 2. He's now 17 and 2 at Indiana. Okay. And the only losses came to Ohio State and Notre Dame.
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Yeah.
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And I saw Google, I saw the resumes. He's up there with the, the Ryan days, the Urban Myers, the Nick Sabins, the like the the elite of the elite in this industry in terms of winning percentage in college. And yes, some of it was at James Madison and what was it iu, IUP before.
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But I just want to say something about the James Madison thing. They went from the FCS to the FBS and were competitive immediately. So like, I know that you. They made a big jump in competition and he even showed at that level, going from one level to the next that he was no joke, like right away, JMU was competitive.
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But you know what I needed to see from Signetti? What I saw today? Yeah, I needed to see it. And not only to beat in Oregon a top four team in the country. Top. What were they ranked three coming in? Yes, a top three team in the country, but to do it at their place in front of that crowd in that stadium with game day, like all of it. Now they're like, they went from the lovable team that we all kind of knew. Anyone who really studied the tape knew, like, they are good and they're one of the best coach teams you'll ever see and they're this, they're that and the other thing. But they went in and won his. They didn't win because of some hired gun. We'll get to this game in a minute. They won because of the program. And the program is what is, is run. Indiana is run by a leader who believes like at his core, like deep in his soul in what he's doing and isn't afraid to tell you sometimes, and I'm telling you, he's a different cat and he's not for everybody. And we know people who have worked with him and around him and all that stuff who are like, you learn to love him. But my gosh, there's, there's a curve because he's so different than everybody else. And like the shucks or the this, like there's certain kinds of leaderships that we're used to seeing from, from high level college football coaches. He's not any of that. So it's, it's, it's a new ride for all of us to get to kind of know who this cat is. But Kirk Signetti is a winner and he, his, his program and he gets the buy in. And so what I'm telling you here is if I'm Penn State and I'm at the very top, I'm firing James Franklin in the next 24 to 48 hours and I am making my only priority until it's absolute, like, until there's no more brush fires out there. Till I've tried every single different way. And if it becomes extinguished, then it's extinguished and you move on. I am bringing in Kurt Signetti. And I also know this on good. Like good authority. And there's some things I tell you that I can't tell you where they come from. And I'm not trying to start stuff up. I'm just saying I don't think he wants to leave Indiana. I think he's thrilled with Indiana. I think he wants to take this Indiana program and shove it up everyone's ass. I think that's just in his. I do. I think that's part of his DNA mention.
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It's awesome.
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I hear you. I think he is IU to his core from like, they gave him a chance and he's gonna.
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B
They identify with one another. They're both the programs that were like overlooked. The coach that was overlooked. I think. Yeah, I hear you.
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But we all have a weakness. We all have. There's a certain suite out there. There's a drug, there's an alcohol, there's a. There's whatever I'm could go on get myself.
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Everyone's got one.
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Yep, everyone's got it. And Penn State might be. So I'm exploring.
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Might be Signetti's weakness.
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Correct.
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Yeah.
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It might be his soft spot.
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I hear you. I think you're right. I think anyone.
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Oh, I don't think I'm right.
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Well, I. I think you're right. I think any program that has an opening at a Penn State level should be looking into Signetti. Like, that's a. That's a no brainer to me. I do feel bad for the Indiana fans tonight who have to listen to you talk about this though.
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So my other. So my other.
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Can't even enjoy it for a night. McShay.
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So my other advice is, like, if I'm Indiana folks, this program is going to make you so much damn money.
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B
Yeah.
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Pay him, give him whatever he wants. Because remember like the Bobby Knight stuff. And I know this is in Basque Indiana and French Lick and Larry Bird and all the stuff and the grass basketball courts and the shitty hoops.
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B
I love it.
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But you can be this too. And this makes mo mo money.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean you have arrived with this guy for decade. For a couple decades, dude.
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B
Aiden Fisher, the linebacker, talented linebacker, was in the post game press conference saying this is why you come to Indiana. That is so alien to me. Alien. The idea that, that an Indiana football player is talking about this is why you come to Indiana is to go to beat Oregon on the road. I mean, that is. But that's how they see it. And. And suddenly that's how they see it. They believed in it before any of us. I can speak for myself. Before I believed it. But they've backed it all up. They've backed it all up. Man, that was so impressive today. I don't. I'm guessing we're gonna.
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No, let's get into it now. I just. I can. I can I just bring up. Yeah.
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B
I just want to say that we talk a lot about Wilson, the offense corps in inter Oregon and he's awesome and I love him and we'll talk about. He's going to have better days than he did today. The defensive coordinator, Brian Haynes from yes. Indiana. I did not realize this. You talk about what Indiana is doing. Indiana is investing in this program.
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No, I know Haynes was out.
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Was like could have been out the door this past offseason. They had to extend his contract not once but twice. They went to him December, redid his contract and then they were like, well, he's still getting a ton of attention. So they had to redo his contract again. That's how talented this guy. Another guy that came from the J Mutry followed them up from Indiana. Just unbelievable how good he was today to get to only allow 13 points of that Oregon offense at Oregon because remember, they had to pick six, so it looks like Oregon had 20, but they only had 13 offensive points. I mean, Kenyon Siddiq was a. No was a non factor today. Just a non factor. They made Dante Moore look. He's a. Dante Moore, I think is an outstanding quarterback. They looked. Made him look average today. You had better stay on schedule against that defense because if you get behind the sticks, they're gonna heat your ass up. They're gonna dial it up and you are in real trouble.
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Why is it that everyone. That's interesting. I just saw. We put up a poll. Will James Franklin be coaching Penn State next week? And it's 56%, 191.
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They don't think Penn State has. They don't. They don't think Penn State has the balls to do it.
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A
Really?
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B
Why is he still there now? I mean.
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Well, I'm gonna be honest and I.
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Don'T have to be gone by now.
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This isn't the show. Like call, call Thammel call. Like I'm. I don't need to do. There's plenty of information. Yeah.
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B
What's the buyout?
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And I know but I keep hearing like 50, 75 million. I keep hearing, like, they. They both need to come to the table and do some sort of, like, buyout, you know, negotiation.
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B
Do you think he wants out at this point? He looked pretty defeated in that press conference, man.
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But when you're a selfish leader and this is about you.
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Yeah.
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You want. You can't. You can't scatter fast enough from something like this dude that's so large.
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But I hear you. Scatter. That's a tough word, man. But I hear you.
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Because you see rat scatters and, like, sort of, like, little, like. Yeah. And so I. Yeah.
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Timothy Hart doesn't think Penn State has the onions. They don't have the onions.
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We're gonna find out. We're gonna find out. Yeah. So that's a one way to start the show. Yeah. Also. But, like, let's know what's here in the game, right? Let's get into iu.
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Yeah.
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Because I.
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They would. They deserve their flowers, man. I mean, they really. This Indiana team is freaking for real. I can't wait to talk at the end of the show where they are.
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A couple things stood out to me, and then I want to get your. You take it wherever you want to respond. First is this team, a year ago was disciplined and, like, we always talked about, like, hat. Like, hat on hat blocking and, like, gap sound, and, like, they did all the right things and at a level that you normally don't see, even in college. And they did it on both sides of the ball, and their receivers are where they're supposed to be, and they make tough catches, and it's things that you practice, and it's things that you grind your players through so that when they're in those moments, in the biggest moments, when you need a third and seven and you got receivers who are selfless enough to go over the middle and make the tough catches and take the hit, they'll do it. When you're in those big moments and you got to run the football and you got to pick up two or three yards, they know exactly their angles, they know exactly their technique, and they're working five guys together instead of one one and one and two and ball that. But the difference is. And I noticed this today for the. Probably the first time because I trusted my eyes watching it. They're just more physically gifted and physical. They're like. When they meet at the point of attack, there's a bigger crack or a thump. When they need to pick up two yards, they're getting the push, and they're not just creating a little, like, They're. They're better than they were a year ago. And I'm talking trench stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Other. The second thing, like I thought I expected today to be this quarterback resurgence. I started the whole year with it. We're in the golden era of college quarterbacks and we're blessed to be alive. And it's been a nightmare, you know, from. From Arch to the Nussmeyer injury to Sellers injury to Aller. Kind of doing what we expected he might do, but not to this level to like all like across the board. But there was. But Mendoza was still doing his really good stuff at iu and Dante Moore came out of nowhere and he could be number one overall draft pick. And so I'm watching this game today and the game had almost Steve, Indiana, Oregon, top 10 teams head to head, this mega battle rivaling Ou, Texas at 3:30, right? Yep. Almost had nothing to do with the quarterbacks. Not really. But compared to what you would think with everyone in the media is telling you number one draft pick, right. He's ready right now. He's my number one guy. I had him in September. No, I had him. I had him in 2023 in the five horrible starts at UCLA. Right. It's a race of the. What do you call them? The Twitter. The draft. What do you call them? Twitter mafia. The Twitter mafia. Right. So it's the ex mafia now. And on the other side it's gone from. Yeah, he's. He's an intriguing. Mendoza is an intriguing day two prospect is where we left it coming into the year. And I don't think you've seen this massive change in his game where you're like, oh, he could be number one overall to where I'm watching McAfee and. And amongst. And McAfee doesn't just say stuff. I hope you know McAfee. He says it. He's getting it from somewhere. Whether it's right. The league when it comes to something like this, I've learned for all the WWE and the RIP shirt, all the non. He knows the stuff. The reason that's the biggest show in the world is because he. When they get to the. The core of what they're talking about, about certain things, they get it from someone they trust and they know it's real. Now he's talking about number one overall and I'm not saying I'm going to him for sources. I'm just saying like, no, I've heard it a lot of different places. So now it's going mega media. Mendoza number one overall. But I'M watching this game and it's. Yeah, like, I love Surat. Elijah Surratt had an awesome day. What he. He finished with, I think eight for one.
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B
Something. I got it right here. It was eight for 121 and a touchdown.
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A
He had an awesome day and Cooper.
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B
Had a solid day. 7 for 58.
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There. There are my notes. I was going on the other side. Okay. Yes. And so. And those guys are really good players. They really are. Coming into the day, they had 53 catches, eight 20 and 12 and 12 touchdowns combined. And. And Sarat is your ex. He's a big, physical possession receiver. Right. Runs good routes, reliable, does a lot of his stuff on the outside. Okay. He'll come over. He'll do some of that. But he like, really handles the perimeter really good along the sideline, all those sorts of things. And then you get this body guy. Yep. Big body guy. Then Omar Cooper, 6 foot, probably 511 and change. Around 200, 205. But. But he's got some more juice. Averaging 18.6, I think it was coming into today, he didn't have the biggest game. He 7 for 58. So those numbers will come down to yards per catch. But my point is like, they complement each other well. They're. They're the most underrated wide receiver tandem in college football, in my eyes, because.
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B
They played for Indiana and everyone. No one's seeing it yet because they. Right, yeah, but we said it going in. They got playmakers, man.
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A
Yes, yes. And they do the little things and then the. Then the backs come in and they rotate them and they lost. They had two good backs a year, but just everyone's doing their job at a high level and there's a confidence and there's a belief.
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B
Yeah, I thought, you know, what was interesting to me was the end of the first half was I think this gets overlooked in this game a little bit where the Oregon kicker, Sabington Sappington, missed a chippy and Indiana went down and the kid Frankie hit a 50 yard field goal to put Indiana up three at the half.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And it just felt like a bigger moment. It felt like, wow, you know, if Indiana goes into that half tied, I'm not sure they have any kind of confidence issues, but I do wonder if there was a part of Oregon that went in and was like, man, we. We got a game. We're down three now. Like, we thought we were going in up three. Our kicker mix misses a chippy. This kid hits a 58 yard field goal. I think Indiana didn't Score the first job. But I'm pretty sure they got the ball back on the kickoff. And then, I mean, to me, that seemed like a kind of a shift in the game a little bit. And then again, you look at the, you look at the offensive numbers for Indiana. They're good. They're not great. I mean, they didn't run the ball all that well. They averaged, you know, what was it, three yards per carry. So it wasn't like they were lighting the world on. But it's just great complimentary football. It's about making plays when you need to make plays. You can be frustrated all day. You can be banging your head against the wall. You're not putting up points the way.
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A
You want to be.
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B
You can be inconsistent. All of those things can happen. But if you make plays at the right time and you're willing to just keep sticking it out and doing what you're coached and what you're taught and what you believe in the game plan, which I do think Oregon does really well in most games, which is interesting. I think both of these guys are very different coaches, but both excellent coaches. But Indiana just stuck to the plan, man. Play great defense, get some, you know, opportunity opportunistic scoring. And in you at the end of the day, make more plays when they matter more.
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A
My favorite, my favorite comment on our live chat, which keeps growing and we appreciate, like this is the best part of the week it was, was Saints chair saying, oh, no, car charger not working. We've all been there. Keep your eye on the road. Keep your eye on the road. But I like the love you mentioned.
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B
But we need to talk Sellers asap.
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A
We'll get to them.
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B
We'll get to them.
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A
We got more tape to watch, unfortunately, on Sunday and throughout.
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B
Yeah, we do.
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A
We're not gonna but like nuss Meyer ain't right. But he's grinding. He's grinding. Sellers will get to that. We got Mendoza. Mendoza. Let's get to Mendoza and let's talk about Mendoza. And I do want to watch the tape, but Mendoza, I thought, made a handful of really good throws. That's his game.
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B
And he's unbelievable throws. He can make some really nice throws.
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A
And he's got some mobility and there's some things you like about his game and I like I, I here's the problem I have, right. I still like him the way I like them coming into the year, maybe slightly even better.
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B
Agree.
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A
But I can't stamp number one overall pick in the 2026 NFL Draft on this guy who Maybe he's got another year still of eligibility after this, right?
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B
I think he does.
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A
I kind of want to see him back at IU next year. Yeah, with IU fans. Hear me with Coach Signetti. Okay. Because I love what's brewing there in Bloomington.
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B
Oh, it's unbelievable.
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A
I want to get. I want to get to Jerry DiNardo's restaurant. I see everyone talk about restaurant places, and it used to just be steak and shake, and now we're growing. Well, Denardo's got an Italian joint there. And, you know, I'm a sucker. We talk about weaknesses. Sucker for Italian food. You can see it on my cheeks, men.
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B
But Mendoza today was. Was 20 for 31, 215 yards, averaged 6.9 yards. You know, a completion like it was. He's not lighting the world on fire like I think some people think he is. The Illinois game is outrageous. That tape is outrageous. But he's come back down to earth. I mean, he's. He is, you know. You know, all these numbers, I see them putting up about his numbers. I'm like, yeah, most of that's from the Illinois game, like in the Indiana State game. That's. Those are two monster games for him and good for him. But this is, you know, kind of what he is. He's a great.
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A
Can I just say this?
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B
It kind of tell me if I'm off on this one. He's kind of giving me Kirk Cousins vibes. I'm getting Kirk Cousins vibes.
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A
Did you really.
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B
The world.
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A
Okay, I want two things. Let me. I. I promise you.
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B
I'm not sure that's a bad thing, by the way.
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I. Hold on, hold on. We will get to this because I want to finish the conversation on this because I know it's been eating at you and I know you well enough. And if you got like, if you guys want to get to know men, like really get to know him, hang around for the next three minutes. Okay. I do want to say one of the things. There are a couple things on tape. We'll get to the other stuff on tape. And I, I forget who was calling it today. It might have been the. The. Yeah, it was a cbs. The. The Oregon's, I guess, or one of the Oregon coaches. Like there's going to be a Mendoza. Like we're going to bait him into having. Having like a Mendoza moment. And there. And it's real. It's throwing off his back foot. It's getting confused with his first read. Panic starts to set in. He just offers up too many. And this is the thing, this I'm convinced this is why Signetti didn't want him going down to Manning Passing Academy this summer. This is why he wanted him around. This is why he wanted to isolate him and get him like, like breathing and ingesting every single call, every read and like in his system. Because he, this young man has a lot of those moments in him where he is talented, he is 6 foot 4, he is 220 pounds, he is mobile, he, he can create, he does have a live arm, he's got all these great things. But when you go from high school where and when. Arch has dealt with a lot of this stuff too this year. When in high school, those tools, nothing challenges you and then you get to Cal and you're in a really quarterback friendly system. But when you have five, six turnover worthy plays or critical mistakes or mental errors, however you want to look at it a game, it's not enough to sustain success over time and it's certainly not enough to do it at the NFL level. And so Signetti has worked with him and this coaching staff for Indiana to try to cut down on these chances for him to go into old Mendoza mode, whatever they call it there in the building. Okay. And today, and I'm looking at my notes, it was a very specific point in there. But he has that moment where he comes out and, and it, yeah, back foot throw. It still is flaw one care, careless moment, can throw everything away. And then, but then what happened was, and this is the encouraging part, I forget the exact moment that interception was. But you go back and everyone kind of knows. But then Indiana drives 75 yards and, and like seven plays later and a touchdown, whatever it was, or 12. Sorry, 12 plays. Yeah, it was seven when they needed it but, but not only when they needed it, it was after that interception. Defense gets the ball back. Get the ball to Mendoza. I always look at how does he respond, right, because you're, you're in a, you're in Austin and it's loud and it's, that's a tough place. And you get those beasts Bear Alexander and, and Mari Washington. Yeah, I always mispronounce it because. But Washington and yeah, you got all these dudes up front coming. So like how are you going to respond? And he responded really. So that's another step in his, in his development.
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B
And he did, he did that against Iowa too. He deserves a lot of credit for that. He had a late pick against Iowa and made the play that won the game against Iowa.
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A
So he's got, he's Got some, like, some onions in there. Right. But. But then he goes to the post game press conference, and now men has got red flags coming out of the. The woodwork.
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B
Okay, go ahead. Just Kirk Cousins vibes, man. Like, super. You know, it's not a bad thing. I don't think Kirk Cousins was an outstanding leader coming out of Michigan State. And I feel like we're going to say the same thing about Mendoza. I really do. But it's a super positive, excited kind of, you know, like he likes that kind of a vibe from him.
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A
Oh, totally.
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B
Game. And maybe, like, maybe that's. I'm reaching. Maybe I am reaching.
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A
This was just my.
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B
I. I didn't think we're gonna do this. I thought I texted. Yeah.
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A
Grew up in. I'm gonna help you through it. Oh, shucks. I grew up in, in like middle America in the 1950s and 60s.
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B
We handled this fantastically. He said after the game. And I was like, oh, okay. Like, you know, that's okay. All right.
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A
And that's the kind of thing that gets under Mensch, who's a grizzly beard offensive lineman. New New Hampshire from Andover, from Massachusetts. Like that he. His senses pop up when he finds an aw shucks guy.
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B
Yeah, I, I kind of. It really. I kind of do. I. It.
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A
It.
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B
It does. But I want to be big picture here. I want to say this. I liked Mendoza coming into the year. I told you when I watched Maau was like, watch out. This kid can do think great things in Indiana. Great fit for the scheme. I think he's going to be an early round draft pick when he does come out where that is. I just feel like the hype train's getting away. I feel like the hype trains rolling down the tracks and. And really, I can't wait for the quarterback show this week. And I know that McShay reports coming out with the quarterback rankings and when we. I can't wait for us to talk.
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A
Could I have picked a worse week.
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B
No.
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A
To update my quarterback rankings?
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B
Because I want to see what you got. There's been so much turmoil and chaos in that group.
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A
Oh, yeah, you're getting. You're getting some stuff here. I mean, you got the guys on you guys. You're getting the guys. And thanks, Evan Holly, for realizing I said making up my own words, but one's like, hey, hey, bud. Kirk Cousins has been a top 10. John Wernicke saying Cousins has been a top 10 most of his NFL career. Basically. What. Who cares? Mansion. And then I. And then. And then I Get other guys saying did.
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B
What did I not say? You like that or what did I say?
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A
Did I say Gene Hag? I didn't say Crimson Tide. What did I say? Hunt for Red after. Yeah, Crimson Tide. Sorry I did that whole thing on.
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B
Chat'S really turning on us.
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A
No, no, no. But then in the Indiana kid said Mendoza is a dork but gave a heart sign.
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B
So like Michael Villa church camp vibes is a. Is a.
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A
Now you get this is an A.
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B
All right. I don't know, man. We'll see how it goes. I don't think Kirk Cousins a bad quarterback either. I hear that. I don't think he's the guy you would. Would have taken first overall when. Or the quarterback you think you're going to get when you draft someone first overall. There's a lot of bus there. I understand that, but.
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And the.
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The.
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And we'll get to Dante more. I mean, it's an opportunity this week when we do the quarterback rankings. You want. Do you want to know why you guys get so mad at me when I'm like, just chill. It's okay. Just chill. It's okay for. For nussmeyer not to like the. The Twitter mafia racing to their. Their thumbs to their phones trying to get out that I. I like them in week four. No, I like them in week three. No, I like them in August. Well, he didn't even start until this year, but I liked him before he started.
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B
Right.
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A
And the Dante Moore stuff, like, I find like I had to come out and explain. Like, I'm telling you, this guy. Yeah, maybe he is number one overall pick this year, but what I've said it with Sellers, I said it with Arch back in May to the highest degree. Like, stop, stop, stop. I said it was Sellers and now. And I said it with Dante Moore, and it's not because I don't see the talent. Dante Moore is the most talented quarterback. He's the most talented passer of the football probably in the entire country. He makes throws and he does it calmly and he maneuvers and he does all those sorts of things. But you want to know why? I say just everyone relax. Let him get the amount of starts of Jaden Daniels or a Bo Nicks and then see what we got on our hands because it could be pretty special.
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B
Yep.
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A
But if we start rushing these young men into something that they're not ready for yet, not their fault, own fault, but because of circumstance and game experience and the critical matter today, we got to see Dante Moore. He's still the same Special talent still throws the ball the same way he did, still calm and pressure moments. All those amazing traits that are going to take him really far and make him a rich, rich man. And his kids are going to be rich and his grandkids are going to be rich. And if they invest well and do some sort of like diamond trust, they might be generational money for Dante Moore and his whole family. But we saw today why he's not ready. Yeah, and we saw you, you started this whole conversation. Defensive coordinator, Indiana, what's his name?
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B
Brian Haynes.
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A
How good was he?
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B
Brian Taint. I mean he was unbelievable. Unbelievable.
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A
And, and how good have we talked about? Will Stein is unbelievable.
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B
Unbelievable.
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A
And we saw that one point where they had the little foe roll out to the right and he created that open seam row with the safety eyes in the backfield. Peaking Dante more throws to a wide open receiver. Touchdown. That's how good Will Stein is, right? Will Stein. Will Stein got him in tempo for those three plays and it was bang, bang, bang, touchdown. Stein drew that up. He had that prepared, had it in his bag, pulled it out. The right moment goes for six. So we're talking two great defensive coordinators and we're talking about a great quarterback. But we saw against the defensive coordinator that is at a high, high level. What just that little bit of can I, should I. You know, and the pressure looks and the coverage change shifts and we saw today that inexperienced and that's okay. And you know what? He'll go back to the tape with Will Stein and he'll learn from this and he'll keep getting better and I don't know, you could pull up Oregon's record but like when he gets into bigger moments down the road, there won't be as much as this. And he'll. So like it's just a progression. And Oregon, I'm still high on the Ducks, man, I was just. Oregon's an awesome team. I, I think this might be punched in the face by a team that I think all of us finally today it's 12 to. So it was, it was October 11th of 2025. We finally realized, oh, Indiana's for real.
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B
Yeah. Apologies, apologies to Signetti. Apologies. The Indiana football program.
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A
I don't apologize for last year. They weren't this year. They were not this last year.
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B
No, they were.
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A
But you started to wonder, well, Illinois's got all these, these injuries. Illinois is, is a paper. Not even Tiger. But like talking about him as top 15 and up to ninth in the ranking. They weren't a top 10 team. And then they had all those defensive and so Mendoza picked him apart with 21 of 23. But this team is real. And he ran into Dante Moore. That is ran into. And by the way, I said it too when I went back and studied his tape. They missed. They missed the other wide receiver who got injured, Evan Stewart. Stewart, Evan. Evan Stewart, tremendously. And I'm in love with Decorian more. Number one true freshman. But they need another guy and they don't. They didn't have that. So they'll keep getting better. But Oregon's one of the best seven, eight teams in the country. I still believe. It's just. I don't think you can get past three in the rankings without putting Indiana in there. I think Indiana is number three team. We'll get to that later. All right. Anything else on Indiana, Oregon before we move on to the Texas OU again?
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B
I think hats off to Indiana. They deserve everything that they're getting right now. I will say that this is the game. I wouldn't call it like Ohio State's Michigan game last year, but this is a game that we could look back in in December and January and be like, that game maybe wasn't the worst thing that happened to this Oregon team.
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A
Why? How? How?
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B
I think that Will Stein is going to go back and look at this tape and say there was things that were working that we got away from and there were things that we could exploit. I think defensively there's, there's things that they could do a little bit differently too. I just, it's, it's one of those things of you can't. You understanding that you can't slip. You know, Oregon was, it was one.
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A
Of those things last year where Oregon.
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B
Was perfect until they weren't, right? That Oregon team was awesome until they met Ohio State after the buy in the playoffs and then looked very normal. This year you get that loss earlier, get that loss against a very talented Indiana team and you can look yourself in the mirror and be like, hey, we're a flawed football team and this is what we need to work on and this is what we need to fix. And I think that that's an opportunity for your team to grow.
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B
How about that segue? Let's go.
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A
Arch Banning is a different human being from the guy who looked like he was mentally paralyzed in the first few weeks. And it started obviously with that Ohio State game. He was paralyzed not because of like he was paralyzed because I don't think there's in the history of college football been a player who's come in without being a full time starter and has had that amount of pressure coming from every angle. NFL draft, Heisman favorite, national championship expectations, name on the back of the jersey, uncles, grandfather, all of it. And then he ran up against. By the way, what we've come to realize, we might look back on this Ohio State defense. I'm telling you, this match, I'm starting to believe it, dude, as like a generational defense and it's like it blows my mind because there's a new defensive coordinator, right? Everyone hasn't been in this role really. And then eight guys drafted and this group is better, more vicious, more violent, more versatile, more multiple.
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B
I think they finally Gave up a red zone touchdown today. But they like the. The. I mean, their red zone defense is silly. Like, it does. I don't even understand it.
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A
So he walks in with all of that pressure mounting, and it's too much for any individual. I don't care if you were raised a Manning and you're like, born and bred for this. It was too much. And I'm not making any excuses. I don't care. I already told you he sucked against Ohio State. And, like, I don't. I'll text his grandfather and talk. We'll talk about it. Like, it's all an open book. The tape is the tape. But when you walk into the shoe in week one with all that pressure on you and you go up against that defense, those schemes, it's not going to look pretty and there's going to be a residual effect. We talked about that and I told you I thought it was weird that I would even think this, but was it Sam Houston, seeing him play with, like, a little. And it wasn't that play where he's standing over the defender. I don't care if he did it or didn't do it, like, just be you. But it was. Seeing the way after a throw, he was starting to carry himself a little different. It felt like the right people were getting into his head. And I'm starting with Sark, like, let it go, man. Let it go.
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B
I'll be upfront about that. To me, that felt manufactured, and maybe you need to manufacture it. Maybe you need that spark. So maybe that's what it was. But that felt manufactured today. Today did not feel manufactured.
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A
But then Florida, you and I both agreed it was the offensive line. It was the lack of a run game nightmare. They're not the same without C.J. baxter, right? Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It was all the. In the defense, out of nowhere, just kind of had a stinker against Lagway in this offense that was like nothing.
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B
Yeah. So Dallas wasn't put on a show.
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But we both agreed that was his best game so far, including the two starts last year. We saw more for. I know this. I saw more from Arch against Florida in that loss than I. Than I could take away substantially, like, with substance than any of the other starts he's had. Okay. And I saw a guy who's like, this is on me, and I'm glad it's on me, and let's start to go. And he was playing free and all that. So he comes into today and the numbers aren't outrageous. No, he didn't put up 350 or like. But he made the key throw like that throw. Rolling to his right man. Third down, backed up in your own end zone, rolling to your right and making that freaking and placing it perfectly to get. That was like. That was a field position changing deal that kind of changed the whole outlook because Oklahoma had played to get them back, pinned back and they had him in the right spot and it was third and eight and he's. He's back. He's backpedaling into. I think he was in his end zone or the shadow of his end zone. And, like, you got him right where you want him. This is Arch. He's overrated. Played terrible. High school ball would be nothing without his last name. We're gonna show him right here. We got him.
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Not so fast. Yep.
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8 for 9 on third downs. He was at that moment 8 for 9.
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Unbelievable.
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So 21 for 27 they needed. And he's spreading the ball around. It wasn't just his roommate.
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Play a little bit of a role today. Yeah.
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Andre Moore had some big catches and Wingo had some big catches. And Andre's the tight end who's really talented. He's Me, too. And so now we get this thing rolling. And it's not beautiful and they're not, but that. But also I wanted to let people know that defense is top 10 in the country. I don't care what you say that. Oklahoma.
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Oklahoma. Oh, yeah.
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Relentless. Okay, so I'm not saying. I'm not saying Arch is back in the Heisman race, because he's not. I'm not saying Archway might be ready by the end of the year for the NFL draft, because, my Lord, he is not. And the most important people in his life know he is not. Okay. And I'm not saying Texas is back in the national championship run like that. I'm not even saying that. Maybe they will be. Maybe I might have my top 12 tonight with five other teams 10 to 12. But I am saying he's. He's starting to play with confidence that you need to play with to be the Texas quarterback, to have this pressure on him. And now if this offensive line, which I thought did a terrific job in the second half, man. And I'm curious to see what. To hear what you have to say. I thought this offensive line played like Oklahoma in the second half, was the one with the offensive line making mistakes.
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Yeah.
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Penalties, clearly. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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They felt the pressure. Yep.
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Whatever. Whatever clicked. They weren't beautiful. It wasn't like domination, but it was 20 nothing in the second half.
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B
Yeah, listen, it's like Oklahoma was the smelling salts for Texas. I mean they looked all looked more like today. They all looked more like into it. The energy felt completely different and very interesting coming into this game that John Matier is cleared right before the game and it feels like the undertaker, you know, we're going to get the undertaker music coming. And here comes John Matier running down the tunnel and he's going to be the story of this game. We'll get into him in a minute. Like that could have easily, you know, overshadowed what happened today, but instead it just, it seemed like it woke them up and it was exactly what they needed. And like that's just, that's awesome to me. And then you look at his game, he's 21 for 27. That's awesome from Arch. That's awesome for any quarterback, but that's awesome. 166 yards. I don't care, I don't care that that number's high and that. And the reason why is now you've learned how you win. Now Arch is learning this is what we need to win. I don't have to throw for 350 yards with this defense. If we have a good run game to complement this passing attack, what I'm doing now, then we know we can, we can beat really good teams this way. And once you have that down, you start to build. Now we can see what we were hoping was going to happen after the Ohio State game and really looked like it was sputtering a little bit. He's now gotten to a point where he's in a good spot and now they build out from that. And now you're going to see, I think him really start to grow and what that looks like at the end of the year, I don't know yet. We'll see. But he's put himself in a good spot with the way he played today.
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I, I totally agree. And, and I purposely started with Arch because like I honest to God. And I said it on our group chat all week long. I said it to Chris Fowler who called the friggin game. I was certain, I didn't even call my source reach out because I was so certain. A human being doesn't break his thumb. Anyone who's held a football in their hand, like hold on some flat ball but like, do you know how much pressure I'm putting on?
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Is that a Brady ball? That's a Brady ball, right?
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A
It's a Brady ball.
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B
Yeah.
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We used to play with it. We had to retire it to the shelf. Like, I've got four fingers now. Three.
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No, four.
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I get four. Four fingers here to kind of rest it. And the pressure mores on these two, all that. But, like, I only got one thumb underneath this thing.
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And.
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And I'm telling you, I didn't think it was like, humanly possible to fracture a bone in your thumb. Whatever bone it was, whatever. Medic, carcel parcel, tarsal, whatever it was.
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One of the tarsals. Yeah.
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And three weeks later, you're back playing. And so, like, when the game started, I was like, oh, the legend of Matier grows. Yeah. And I've told you about that Texas Tech game when he was at Washington State, and they're up by 17 points and he's running down. He's just get out of bounds or slide. And he doesn't. He's. And he's pushing guys away. A play that I'm sure scouts will talk about. He's stiff arm and all that stuff. And now he comes in, bets on himself one year and he goes to the sec. He sees the schedule and you can see the. Like the Disney movie or whatever it is. You can say, no betting on myself and bringing. I'm bringing Buck with me. Our buckle and I are going down to the sec. Let's put. Hey, our buckle. Let's find the. Let's find the program that needs a quarterback with the toughest schedule out there. Let's go show him we can do this thing. And you come out and you beat Michigan and we're rolling and we're 5 and 0, but I got injured. But what's the perfect part of this Hollywood story? As the legend of Matier grows, this gunslinger from Oklahoma now comes up with. I'm ready to go.
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Can't miss the Texas.
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I've got one and a half thumbs, but I'm right. And he goes out there, and then he goes out there in the first drive and he's slinging the ball. And I'm like, okay, fine. And he's. And it's like. And. And we're. Let's roll. But you know what I didn't think about because I was too busy talking myself into that Venables is a defensive coordinator. Venables has done this before, and he's got a history of it. And. And as a defensive coordinator, you think about, what's that? What's there? It's Texas's D.C. thinking. Kowski.
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Right.
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What's he thinking? And what does he not want to have to do during Texas OU Week? Of preparation. He doesn't care for two quarterbacks, for two different quarterbacks. So I'm gonna get hey thaml listed as probable, you know, and so I had this all in my mind. There's no way he's played. Now he's playing. I just didn't spend the time this week to think about the possibility of him playing and then the possibility of him playing. How would this affect his play. And Mattier had Matier moments. But what Mattier has done over the course of his last two years is he's really reduced those moments. He's cut back on the. The three interceptions that he had today. Yeah, we've seen like those are in his bag. There's no question. I'm not hiding it right tonight. I absolutely love John Mateer and I'm going to have him graded higher than probably most guys in the NFL. I believe in him for, for all the reasons I'll explain to you that I have to this point and I'll continue to explain to you leading up to April. I just love them and I see some of the Baker stuff like yourself. I don't care that I'm undersized. I don't care I'm this. I don't care that I'm that I'm just gonna out sling you and I'll probably get cut from the first team or get traded or shipped out and I'll go to another team and I'll bounce around, I'll find a home and I'll win and I kind of just get that vibe. And then I talked to Nagy and I talked to some people and they're like, he, like the, the person, the competitor, all the things match up. And so like I love him but we saw without the preparation, the practice and with sitting out for three weeks and in that game, in that moment against that defense, it's almost like he reverted to the worst version of himself. Because I tried and I went back and I went, I tried to look and I was rewinding. Just I'm not. I didn't have the tape. It wasn't out yet. I'll get it tomorrow. But just the TV copy, which gets really mucky when you have the, the YouTube.
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Yeah.
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Four screen multi screen and you got to go the one and then you get. Anyway. And they just were all on him and they all three in different ways were bad decisions and they all three in different ways were bad balls.
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Yeah.
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And so unfortunately this wasn't the legend that grows now. Now what? Because we can sit here and we can talk about, oh, use defense and we could break down plays and series and all that stuff. But now what I'm most curious about is now what?
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Yeah, so let me ask you this. Do you think all the picks today were, were mental more than physical? I mean, I saw a guy who was looking down at his hand, it seemed almost every throw and was, you know, doing the flex. And to me, it looked the, the interceptions looked mental to me. And you know, Fowler made a great point of saying, you know, he hasn't played football in three weeks and this is what that can look like sometimes. And I get all that. I'm, I'm actually more concerned going forward about how healthy that hand really is. And I'm not a doctor.
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That's.
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B
Yeah, we'll see.
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Like, what is that adrenaline of this game and coming back for this moment?
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How does he feel tomorrow morning? Right.
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And, and so what, what's our plan now? And I don't, he's that world renowned doctor. I don't have it on the tip of my tongue and I don't have any notes here. Obviously there's, there had to be assurances that you can't, you're not going to make it worse by going out and playing. And I don't know anything about this. So I'm sitting here like humbly saying, so now what? Because I know that schedule, I know that schedule is brutal. I'll pull it up right now. I know it's brutal. And, and now, now are you questioning not. Should we have started him first of all, the medical component, like, did it get worse? Is it just not ready, all that stuff, did we bring him back too early? But then you're wondering, okay, is this the, this is the part I really want you to hear me and everyone in the audience, I really want you to hear, because let's just assume that this, this doctor who's like the world, the greatest hand surgeon in the world, apparently there's oil money in Oklahoma too, that he wouldn't have cleared him or said, I'm okay with it and said, john, you know, you've got an NFL career coming up. Like, let's be smart. He pro. There probably had to be an assurance of it may not feel right. You may not be this, this and this, but if you're throwing the ball well enough, it's not going to get worse. We put the screws in. It's not like, so assuming there's no more damage, but it's just like there's recovery time, right? Yeah, I'm just curious. I don't. Because I don't have the answer. I'm pretty sure you don't either. But it'll be very interesting to see how is this the best of Mater until he get. Until he can step away from football for three months or whatever it is and rest it and all right.
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I hope not.
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Do you know what I mean? Yeah.
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B
Yeah I do. I mean I'm. I'm fascinated to see how this goes and. And it's. We don't have enough information or I don't have enough information to second guess the decision but I'm anxious.
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I'm not even second guessing the decision because if anyone read the McShay report and, and Tucker, let's throw that up. We got. We got a big week of the McShay Report coming up. Mid season quarterback rankings. I could. This is why I shouldn't be allowed to make my own schedule because I thought it was a great idea after all these games and now I'm more confused than I was coming in the week but I promised it. So we're gonna do it on Friday the 16th then the next week. Top 32. I feel better about the big board. Top 32. But these are big. Like I haven't released the quarterback updated rankings. If you came to our live show in Chicago, I gave you a snippet but even since then there have been changes. Thursday the October 22nd we're doing the big board and then we're gonna do the premium subscriber Q a. Google the McShay Report. Please become a subscriber.
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B
There's.
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There's over a thousand of you on this call right now. Let's get some. Some of you people on there right now and help support this. But I know I was going somewhere somewhere with this. It's getting late but I. I just.
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B
Material. Yeah. With Hawkins you had to play.
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Oh sorry. Thank you. Thank you. So I did the whole McShave. That's how we got there. Thank you. You're not the best wingman in the world for nothing. I did the breakdown on Hawkins and I'm not saying that's why they started Mater. I'm just saying they were hoping he was further along and he wasn't. And. And. And I just watched him throwing against Kent State and they blew him out. 44 nothing. And there were so many red flags in that game. I can't imagine of what today. Today would have looked a lot worse with Mich.
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B
I understand. Let me counter. I'll counter that you do you take that loss. And I know it's such a rivalry and it's such a great game and I, Man, I love that game. That game is awesome. Do you, do you go in that knowing that you're not in a great position to win that game if it means you're in a better position to, to win at South Carolina, to win against Ole Miss, to win against Missouri, to win against Alabama? Like, it doesn't get easier for me.
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I'm not sharing if he can't go.
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If he can't go next week, though, Hawkins is playing. So you might have to play Hawkins in some of these games now. Whereas if you had waited and they were preparing, getting Matier in as many possible games. Right. That's what I'm saying.
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It's for. There's a different, there's different elements. Yeah. For M. For Matier. Matier's got the toughest job, the toughest part of all this, and he's the least equipped. And I mean that out, out of total.
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We all are. Yep. We all are.
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The person, the competitor is the person who is the least equipped to make a smart decision when it comes to this stuff.
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B
Right.
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A
You know?
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B
Yeah.
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Truly, 100, always have. 100 out of 100, right?
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Yes.
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And so it comes down to probably a doctor saying, well, you won't make it worse. But I maybe would rec. Who knows what they said. I don't even like to speculate.
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Yeah, we don't know. Yeah, right. We're falling around.
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And then, and then you have everyone. And I don't even think Venables is one of the good guys. Venables would do right by this young man. But.
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Oh, I'm not even questioning that.
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Yeah, no, no, no. I'm just saying the pressure of. And then if, if, if, if the message to John is you can do it and it won't make you worse. But maybe I'd recommend, you know, like all the fine print. The only message that's going to Venables and Arbuckle and the whole staff is he said it won't get worse. So let's do this thing. Let's do this damn thing. Because I am, I, I'm the guy who right up 17 points looking to stiff arm guys 40 yards downfield when everyone else would. That's sane would just slide and, and go on to the next game and run the clock out. So that's that. Yeah. Blink 12, 89. Good to see you tonight. 1, 2, 6, 8 9. Good to see you tonight. But I, I disagree. Venables didn't do right or wrong. But like Venables.
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B
Yeah. When I say that, I want to be clear. I don't think Venables would ever make a decision knowing this is going to risk him for the next five games. What I'm saying is, when they look back at it, are they going to say, oh, we could have handled that better, which everyone will do, like we should, or if we had done this, maybe we would have been in a better spot? That's what I'm talking about. They did the best with what they had. There's no question in my mind that that's the case. I'm not. If I, if I all sound critical of Oklahoma or eventables, I apologize. That's not what I'm saying.
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No, I know that. I do want to mention this real quickly before we go on. Like Those, those Texas DBs today were absolutely awesome. I don't have the final numbers, though. Jelani McDonald looked like every single time I looked up, he was making a play. He was all over the field. Malik Muhammad had the two interceptions. Just showing up in big moments. Michael Taft is the absolute enforcer. Those guys were awesome. And then Ryan Niblett, like that, that punt return will go down in Texas lore. Like one of the, the.
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B
All time. Such a Red river moment.
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A
Right.
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B
Red river moment right there.
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A
I saw it.
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B
I was like, yes. This is what's great about this game, man.
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A
There's always this feels like there's always that moment.
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B
Right? Yeah.
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A
By the way, Colin Simmons, I felt.
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B
Like he's kind of been quiet, like.
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He was a witness protection. I wrote in my note, hey, good to see you out of witness protection. Yeah.
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B
Well, I guess the pressure numbers are good. I haven't seen it. I have not.
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A
I. With this kid.
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B
And let's be clear, Colin Simmons, every time you throw on the game, you expect him to be doing Abdul Carter stuff. Yeah. Just a bull in a china shop.
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A
Just Micah Parsons stuff like.
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B
Yes. And today he played like Colin Sims. That was a Colin Sims game. It was awesome.
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I totally agree. Okay. We got a bunch of other games. We're not going to get to all of them, but I just, I do want to get through a few quickly. I, I go back, we talked about Georgia and Auburn. I'm glad we got to that. Alabama, Missouri, to me, was this the third most impactful? Third or fourth, whatever it was, Game of the day. I, man, I, I feel for Missouri fans because, like, every time you think you're like, this is the year, this is the team, it's just not quite right.
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Just not quite. But I want to be honest, physical team, man.
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A
But I actually want to be honest dating back until you'd have to go back to like Chase Daniel in that kind of era with Pinkle. Right.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Where this is the first time since then where I was like, but they're a lot closer.
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B
That's a physical, tough team. That is a rugged team. That defensive line, they got some dudes. I mean, it was.
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They made Ty Simpson's life miserable today. And Ty Simpson is emerging as one of the top quarterbacks in the entire country. Ty Simpson's doing things, and I'm not talking physically. I'm talking about mentally timing, reading defenses, negotiating safeties. Like, he's doing next level stuff. And it's shocking me week after week. So when I say like, they, they. They made him grind it out today, that is a, like, that's the best praise I can heap on you. You know, like, this guy's just doing it. Like he's in a. On a roll since Florida State. And even in that game he wasn't bad. People were like, whoa. Since Florida State, like, if you go back and watch, like, like he was. He did a lot and didn't have a lot of help, but, ah, there was a lot of stuff in this game.
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B
Start with this.
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A
Yes. Mizzou's fake punt got. That was an absolute screw job.
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B
You thought he got it.
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A
Absolutely. And you know who screwed him? You know who screwed him. And I can say this because I've been there. I actually climbed a crane. I think it was Georgia, Missouri climbed a crane during the reconstruction of the stadium. Scared to death. I can say it because I've been on the field with like in all the production meetings and all this stuff. Like, what really screwed them is they didn't have the technology in that game or the number of camera. Each game has different number of cameras. And I think you'll notice like you've watched something on SEC network or the ACC Network or ESPN plus, they're not getting Herbie and followers cameras or even McDonough and Mac.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I need. This is a huge game. No question. Monster game 8 versus 14. But it was the third crew.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And. And maybe it wasn't even because that today. But I'm telling you it was. They didn't have that down the line.
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B
Yeah.
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Angle of it. And they needed that. But you could tell if you like common sense told everyone, including the announcers. I forget who they were in that game. Including the, the rules and like Everyone agreed he got that first down, but I think it was Joe. That was Joe, Tess and Jesse, right?
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B
Yeah, I think it was.
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A
But everyone also kind of had to come to the realization like, oh, there's not enough to overturn it, but that was a huge play in that game. And, and the onions, the onions there to. To. To fake the punt. And then Ty Simpson makes that throw on fourth and eight. My God, did he make that throw?
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B
And by the way, who is this Lottie Brooks? Out of nowhere we got Isaiah Horton, we got Jeremy Bernard, we got Ryan Williams. All a sudden this freshman Lt Brooks is. That was the guy who caught that fourth down catch.
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A
I know.
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B
Four for 58. He had a 29. Like he's. I guess he's a freshman. I really, I. I think I've watched a fair amount of Alabama's offense. That receiving core is silly. It is just ridiculous that this kid.
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A
Can show up at.
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B
At the sixth game of the season and start making plays like this.
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It's amazing. And it's like the chicken or the egg, right? Like which came first? Is it t is because Ty's playing at such a high level or is he elevated because of the. I don't care. I just know Alabama. Alabama's offense has become like it's rocket ship like program. Yeah. Like this is like you gotta schedule. Schedule the time. Make sure you're. You're by your. By your tv.
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B
I hope Jam Miller is okay by the way, because that. It changed. That game shifted a little bit when he got knocked out of the game too. And yeah. So hopefully he's all right because he's that running different.
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A
I thought it was really cool to see. Was that fourth and eight. It was the fourth and goal. There were decisions made. DeBoer used to do this. I think it was with Penix. Right. Like deboer when he trusts his guy.
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B
Yep. He trusts.
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End of the world. It's you and me, kid. Let's go. And he's. He's now trusting. Those are the moments that you. You've seen with Debor with certain, yet not with Jaylen Milro. Yep. These are moments I trust my guy. I trust. I trust my play. The play calling I've got. Was it Ben Grub? Right. We got this thing set up the way we finally want it. And so it's pretty cool to see that. And. And it's also pretty cool to see Alabama Prula played really well, man, until that final drive. And they were desperation and all that. And he had an open receiver and he and he. He made a throw that he probably. That he'd love to have back.
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B
Regrets.
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A
Yeah. Reception. But he played pretty well. But what. But you come into that game if you're Alabama and you. We gotta stop Ahmad Hardy and I did the. The tape breakdown on them for. Yeah. For our. Our new show on Thursdays that I'm. I'm pumped about. And Mensch named it. Go ahead, Mensch. Use your name.
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B
The rough draft.
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A
Rough draft on. On Thursdays. It's our. It's our Bleep you to first draft and other. All the other nonsensical shows. I helped build that thing and I was proud of that thing. Kuiper and I used to do that thing.
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B
Nonsensical is a funny word for it on.
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A
On flip phones and built it into something nice. And now it's. I watch it. I want to throw up.
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B
Anyway, Ahmad Hardy only got 12 carries today.
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A
Thank you for getting us back on track.
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B
Yeah. Isn't that weird?
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A
Because they bottled them up.
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B
Yeah, they did.
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A
I was worried when I watched that time. I. I wasn't worried like I've been worried about some other guys. Whoever. I don't think this is going to work against Top because. Because of the offensive line. I was worried because I noticed in Hardy, he's so damn talented, so physical and runs hard and patience is. But I've told you, the one thing when he's got to change, he doesn't go. And against a fast defense, that becomes a problem. And so the 12 for 52 didn't shock me, but it. It did still surprise me because I thought that offensive line's good enough that they're going to spring some holes. They did. They just did. There were a couple, but didn't really throughout that game. And so all of it went on Prula and Prabula played really well. And. And Kevin Coleman was. He went in the witness protection. He only had one for two. One catch for two. Yeah, but this. But this Freshman Donovan Olabody.
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B
Olu bodhi.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
3 for 55, but had some big clutch catches. So this Missouri team is good, man. They're top 15, I believe. Like, it'll shake out and all that. They'll be top 15. But.
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B
But.
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A
But I. They're not quite there yet, you know.
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B
No.
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A
By the way, side note, if you're a Penn State fan and you're watching Prabula play at this level, it wouldn't have changed all the. I'm just saying.
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B
I thought about that, though.
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A
I did think about that watching him today against that Alabama defense and making some of the throws at Aller just has never been in. Probably, probably never will be able to make. Yeah, that's tough. That's a tough pill to swallow. I don't know. I. I've got. Oh, we talked Georgia, Auburn, Keldrick. Keldrick is so damn good. Yeah, I mean I know they love. I'm just, I'm going through some of my quick jot down notes. A and M with a big win.
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B
Over Florida, Notre Dame handles business against NC State.
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A
Let me say this about A. M. Sorry. You like to get teams.
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B
Did you see how hot Marcel Reed was to start that game?
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A
Blazing hot. Did you see how. Go ahead way.
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B
Yeah, they were going back, back and forth early on.
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A
Yeah, that was awesome.
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B
Awesome. And then they both cooled off.
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A
They did. But this is why I trust Texas A. I'm still not there yet because. Because Marcel Reed is still developing. But this A and M. Texas A and M is a team. Texas A and M doesn't have just one great quarterback or a big receiver or a couple great athletes that they paid for even when you couldn't pay for players. And we all knew they were. Texas A M is a team and it's because of Elko.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Some guys are just program builders and it's not this, this Kumbaya, you know, meet by the fire and have bonfires and crackling wood and tell your life. It's not. It's like they know how to run a program right. And they do it efficiently and they do get you to band. And you know what gets you to love your brothers more than anything in the world?
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B
I think we all.
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A
It's winning and it's seeing. And it's also seeing that if one unit's not good, the other one will pick him up. If the passing game isn't good, the running game will pick it up. And Reed was hot early and then cooled down and Craver and Concepcion had some big plays and Craver jumped out early. He had like 3 for 55 and it was like here, let's go. And then he didn't. And then he finished with like 3 for 55 or whatever it was.
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B
Right.
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A
Had some more. But no monster games in the passing game. But they ran the ball with a four headed monster and they balanced the thing out and the defense played well. And the biggest thing is they made adjustments. This is a coaching staff that's making in game adjustments. Like El. Like, like they. They completely on both sides of the ball dominated this game against A Damn good football team. Florida is a damn good football team. From a talent perspective. We saw how good they were against Texas, right? Texas beat. Oh, you like all of it. Six degrees of separation, right? Kevin Bacon. And. And so the stability. You know, think about stability to Texas A and M that I can't remember in my lifetime, them having. When Elko made the change. Locum. But they weren't that good. Yeah, they were good, but they were never that good. This team is a top five team in the country.
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B
Wait, you're not. You're not a Jimbo guy.
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A
Dennis Rodman.
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B
But when Elko made the quarterback change.
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A
Yeah, when.
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B
Yeah, when Elko made the quarterback change last year, that told me a lot that this guy was like, I've identified what I need to do, what's best for the team, and I'm gonna go ahead and do that right now. And it was, oh, okay, that. That's how it's going to get run. It's not going to be this quarterback who had all this buzz about coming in this year and being a high draft pick and all that. And no, I'm going to make the change now. I think that was a. That told me a lot about how Elko was going to run the program.
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A
Give me some thoughts on. Because we're gonna. This is a perfect. Not a perfect time. But. But we're. We're transitioning towards what we have to do at the end of the show, which is. Is mess around with this top 12 before. Before we let everyone get. Get some sleep before Sunday. Everyone has responsibilities on Sunday. Hopefully you enjoy your families and everything else. I want. I want. I'm gonna throw a couple things out at you.
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B
Okay.
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A
Sellers. Everyone wants to know what Match has to say.
- [88:19]
B
Terror. Terrible numbers. I saw I was getting in and out of that game. I'm not making excuses for it. We'll see what the tape says. I will tell you that when I did throw that. That. That game on, they had. I saw two drops. And then also I saw him running for his life almost every time he had the football, like. And now maybe something's available downfield that we'll see on tape. But it looked to me, and I'm going to be honest about this, I said what was going to be great about this case, we're going to have a clean evaluation at the end of it because of the level of competition he's going against. And I. And you kind of hinted at it, and I don't believe that anymore because I just don't think the supporting Cast is that good and it's going to be him just trying to push a boulder up a mountain a lot of the time. And I know I'm making excuses for him, but I still feel very high on Sellers until I see the tape that like scares me away. But he had 22 carries for 19 yards, so that tells you something right there. 50 for 27, 1244 yards and interception. I know the numbers look terrible, but what I saw, what I did see of that game, he was getting almost no help and just shrugging guys off and trying to extend plays and trying to make stuff happen.
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A
On the other side. I, I will not lie to people and say I watched enough to give a full evaluation, but I've seen enough going back and watching the tape and we'll get to a lot of it next week with the quarterback. Updated rankings. Garrett Nussmeier is not 100 healthy. There's not a single person in this world, including Garrett or Garrett's doctor, who could come tell me that he is 100 healthy. He is not the same human being that I saw throwing in, in Tibeto, Louisiana this summer. And he's certainly not the same guy I throw saw throwing last year. And he's grinding through it and he's the all time competitor and it's just how he was wired. It's like he, he's, it's a life in ball. This young man has, has had a life in ball with his dad from the NFL, quarterback and a quarterback's coach and now the offensive coordinator of the Saints. It's been a life in ball. And you know what quarterbacks do when they have that in their DNA? They don't say a word about it.
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B
Yeah, he did have a nuts moment tonight. He had a nuts moment where he had this great scramble and you could just tell he's feeling himself. And then a couple plays later he threw a red zone pick and the way he walked off the sideline, he was like, God damn it. You could just see it in his face. Like, you know, just got excited and he's feeling himself and he, he tried to thread one in there.
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A
It just, they don't, they're purposely not throwing the ball down the field. And I know that Aaron was it Anderson, right, the top receiver was out and all that. More importantly, I don't know, I don't even know if I trust this. I don't know who the technology was. So I'm not going to source anything. But I saw some graphic today and I thought it was fascinating but like, it's not. I don't put as much stock into arm strength as some people do, but it is what it is. And it said that they have some register of arm strength in college football. Maybe they're doing the NFL now too.
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B
Velocity or something.
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A
I guess it's velocity. And they can, they track everything. I mean, they can track how many steps you took from when you walk out of the locker room till you came back, your heart rate. Like they track everything. You'd be shocked at some of the data that they have on these players at the college level and then that transfers to the NFL draft and the scouts. It's remarkable out of 177 quarterbacks that they've registered in this and, and if you're out there and you want to contact us at McShay13 at you good mention on X. I'm McShay McShay13 on, on the gram and wherever else you know how to find me or jump on this chat with us. I'd love to know more about the technology and maybe it's something we can, we can talk to you about as we get ready for the NFL draft. But out of 177 quarterbacks in this arm strength strength measurement that they're doing now, he was 172. Oh, he's not right.
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B
That's. Yeah, that's not right.
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A
So, so like again then how do we measure that? And I'm not talking about the arm strength. I'm talking about evaluating him in the year that he was supposed to take that next step and the decision making and knowing that he is playing with it. Sounds like an oblique or whatever it is. I don't like to, but yeah, it's a tricky class. This went from the golden era of college quarterbacks to an absolute quagmire.
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B
Thank you.
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A
It's better words than I would have used.
- [92:52]
B
Someone said we got to talk about usc. Real quick. I'll say this about usc. Yep. Jordan, the running back from USC went out and Justice Haynes, the running back from Michigan went out and I was like, ah, this is a bummer. Like, these are two great running backs. And then King, what's his. What's the last kid's name from USC comes in and has an absolute day. I just want to say this right. King Miller. King Miller. I just want to say this about usc. This was the team I expected to show up at Illinois. And so I'm a little upset, I'm a little upset about it because I thought that they were this team. Then they go to Illinois and lay an egg. And I'm like, well, maybe they're not.
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A
As good as we thought.
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B
They are. They are. They just had a bad game.
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A
Well, just ask James Franklin. It's tough to travel.
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B
I was wondering if that was going to come up.
- [93:38]
A
This one felt different.
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B
Oh, I mean, they handled them.
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A
Michigan came in with confidence. Michigan's young quarterback had some time to prepare. Michigan as a program felt like it was like they're going to start to surge. I get this feeling about, you know, and Underwood's talented, but, like, their run game is talented and their defense is talented. USC controlled that game, man.
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B
Absolutely.
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A
And. And. And Mayava had his mava moment.
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B
He let them back in the game a little bit. If.
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A
Let Michigan back in the game.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It was 21 to 7. They're driving deep in Michigan territory. Terrible decision. Terrible decision. Interception. I watched it in real time and it was like a slow motion.
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B
I was like, terrible.
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A
Don't.
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B
Don't do it.
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A
I'm yelling. I got kids sleeping all over in this house. But. But it was just a young mistake. Okay. But he was playing great otherwise. But this USCT. I'm not saying that USC's Pete Carroll back. I'm not saying bring Will Ferrell and Snoop and everyone down. Let's go. I'm just saying this is the first Lincoln Riley.
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B
Yeah. Little swagger. Little. Little juice now.
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A
And they're in the guards and tackles and they're physical up front. And the run.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Do you know what I mean?
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B
They're like, awesome. Running back goes out and they just don't blink and they.
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A
I see you. I see you. USC fight on. I sit like, I see what's going on, and I think they're building something. And this is a big win to do it against a Michigan Sherrod Moore offensive line football. Yeah. You know what I mean? The mentality now, like.
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B
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
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A
I saw something different from USC because I. I kept waiting for them to let. And I was like, there we go. Myava, Lincoln Rod. Like, things are gonna start falling apart. Like, it. I. I feels like now I've seen more of the. When things aren't going well, Lincoln Riley than I did with all the winning and greatness.
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B
It's been a minute. Right.
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A
It's not even close because the greatness so far outweighs. But I even heard whoever was covering the game was that it was blacklidge. It was my guy.
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B
Yep.
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A
And he was just saying. Just like talking to. Talking to Lincoln. It's like this program hadn't won since Pete. And when I took over Oklahoma, I took over a program that, yeah, we. We kind of took. Got it right back rolling. We did it in different ways and my offense and all that stuff. But there was a culture of winning in Norman and that culture in LA had been lost. You know, they were taking away Reggie Bush's Heisman. They were declaring losses. Yeah, it just felt trashed. And so it took him longer than people wanted it to. And I'm not saying that this is going to be. Get the Pete Carroll thing rolling again. I'm just saying it makes sense. A rational human being, and there's not many rational human beings in this whole industry, and understandably so for the money and the attention and the TV deals and all that, but a rational human being could take a step back and be like, you know what? Lincoln's got a pretty good track record. Private jets were flying in and out of Norman to figure out what he was doing, how he was running that program, he was doing offensively. There was Baker and there was Kyler and like. And there was Caleb. Like, he. Maybe it just took a little bit of time to undo the ick and.
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B
Get that out and start rolling.
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A
So, yeah, I don't know. I'm here for it. You know, I'm. I'm an LA guy. I love Manhattan Beach. I love Versillo. I love going out. I love our studios out there. I love hanging with Connor and Dan and Tucker. Like, I love all of it. So I want USC to be back, but this is the first time I got a glimpse of, like, they're not back, but they might be heading in the right direction where this thing could, in the next year or so get to a level where it's like they're. They're part of the national picture. Big time college football, you know?
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B
Yeah, that's it. Listen, I know you're gonna get to the top 12 in a second here, but Jeremy Goden, and I hope I'm saying that, right, Jeremy has an anniversary dinner on the Cape and he needs a dinner. Dinner wreck from. You got anything on the Cape? I mean, yeah, like, I'm not kidding that there's a couple guys on the chat right now or a couple people in the chat right now saying, like, we got to get Jeremy a recommendation.
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A
We'll go to the Chad's Bar in.
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B
Okay. And if you got that, Jeremy.
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A
Yeah, it's in Chatham. If you don't want to stay there, go. Like, I think that Rest and then you can go into Chatham and that. I mean, your. Your lady is going to love that air. It's a quintessential overlooking the ocean. I know this time of year it gets chilly, but still, like, you know, they get fires going and there's like the inside bar and like, you can cozy up there for 48 hours even in the dead of winter.
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B
And like, I like the winter cape. I like cape.
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A
I actually do, too.
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B
Yeah, Too.
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A
So that's. Yeah, I would say start there, but. But reach out to me and I'll get you some more specific ones. I don't want to give away my spots. You know.
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B
You'Re a perfectionist.
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A
All right, top 12. It's. It's 1. It's almost 1:10 in the morning.
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B
I know, I know.
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A
Okay, top 12. Here it was last week. Ohio State 1, Miami 2. Oregon with a loss this week, Ole Miss with a win. Ugly Kiffin had some often awesome quotes. A and M with a win. That kind of looked like a struggle. But like, at the end of the day, you're like, huh, I maybe respect them more than I did. Oklahoma was at number six loss. Then the next seven teams all won in different fashions, but all one, right? The ugliest, quite honestly, of all of them was Tennessee versus Arkansas, but they won. Indiana, 7, Alabama 8. Texas Tech 9. Georgia 10. LSU 11, Tennessee 12. Here's how I want to frame this for you, Mitch. Okay? I've written down in clusters, okay? Tell me. You tell me if I'm a wrong in the cluster, if there should be a team that doesn't belong in that cluster. And I've got them in three clusters, okay? A, if they're wrong inside that cluster, or B, if you have a problem with the order in which I've ranked them. Okay, My first cluster, call it a top tier, call it a bucket, whatever you want. One through three is clear as day to me. Ohio State 1, Miami 2, Indiana, 3.
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B
I'm with you. I'm with you. I am actually. More Miami being off this week has me second guessing maybe Indiana being two. But I'm gonna say I thought Miami should be one last.
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A
You were the Miami King last week.
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B
I hear you.
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A
Property down South Beach.
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B
I still might. I still might. But those are the three. What? Whichever way you want to nitpick. You want to argue for one, that's fine. Those are absolutely the three.
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A
Here are my next four. This is cluster two. Cluster two has four. I'm not cemented on this order, but this is kind of my rough Draft and. And I'll. You and I can work through this. Okay. Hard to unsee what happened today, but I also know this is Elaine Kiffin team. They're due for this. I hope it doesn't show up in a spot with a team that's capable of actually beating them, but I'm going Ole Miss 4, Texas A&M 5. As I say that, like, maybe A and M should be four.
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B
Okay.
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A
Bama six, Texas Tech seven. Hey, tell us what you guys think. Joseph Rawling, I see you still out there. Always trade back. You're rocking and rolling as you usually are. Matt Mateus, five stars. He's ready. Matt Mateus is ready to say. Say good night. He wants us to give the five stars and get out of here. But I appreciate the five stars. Maybe he doesn't even. Maybe he's not even a friend of the show yet and he's just given five stars and doesn't know that that's our. That's our good night signal. So get involved. TTNC 2015 has got OSU, Miami, Indiana, a and M Tech, Bama. That's not horrible. So again, I've got Ohio State 1, Miami 2, Indiana 3. Mench is good. Check on it. Then the next four are Ole Miss, but I can live with a M. Ole Miss and A and M have to be the next two for me. Then I'm going Bama even with one loss ahead of Texas Tech because I just am.
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B
Okay.
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A
But. But I want to also mention, like, I've got great. Even Connor texted tonight, like, how good is this Texas Tech team? I said, like, I am a lock with them. Top 10. Like, I believe they're that talented. They're playing that well as a team. What's. What do you have? Is there a team belong in there? Different order.
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B
What I would go a M, Bama, Texas Tech, Ole Miss. And you know, I love. I love Lane, but that's. That was concerning for me today. And as much as I like Chambliss and I do like Chambliss, you're looking at some of these other quarterback situations and I just like the quarterback situations better there. And I just. I just do. I trust Kiffin's system and all of that stuff. But. And I have. I am really. Bam is close, man. Bam is close to being ahead of A and M. Those guys are neck and neck. I just think that A and M's earned it a little bit more because they don't have the one loss. But this is a very different Alabama team that. That we Saw against Florida State in the opener.
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A
I agree.
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B
I don't hate it. I don't hate it.
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A
That's good group. All right, so that, that gets us to seven. And now it's a total mess.
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B
It gets us to eight, right?
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A
Well, it gets, that's set. The top seven teams, we're, we're in agreement with the seven slightly, maybe shifted order four through seven, but now we're dead. Now we're, now we're at eight. Pick eight. Can't get the draft out of my mind. Now we're at 8. Here are the teams, and I didn't even rank them. And I honestly, games were still going on, so when I typed this out, just quickly jotted it down. Oklahoma's still going to be in there. I'm talking 8 through 12. Yep. Oklahoma's still going to be in there. You got a guy coming back with a broken thumb and, and all of it. Georgia maybe at 8, right?
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B
Yeah, maybe.
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A
Now LSU was right there. What was LSU coming in the week?
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B
9.
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A
No, 11.
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B
11.
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A
So this is 8. 9. So do they move up one spot? Because other teams are out if you don't. They are just limping, man.
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B
If you don't think Oregon's at 8. I don't know, man.
- [104:35]
A
I, I, I didn't have Oregon here. That's why we do this exercise. I must have cut them out. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. I think Oregon's eight.
- [104:42]
A
No, Oregon's absolutely eight.
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B
Okay.
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A
This is why we do the exercise. So Oregon, eight. I would say, honestly, I think Oklahoma is better than Georgia. 9. 10 is Georgia for me. I struggle honestly with LSU and Tennessee. They're both, like, limping and sputtering.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Do you know what I mean?
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B
Yeah.
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A
But here's where my, here's where my list gets messed up, because that's eight is Oregon, nine is Oklahoma, 10 is Georgia. I get two spots left.
- [105:15]
B
I will.
- [105:15]
A
I still kind of want LSU in there. I still kind of want Tennessee in there. I'm pounding the table. Why not usc?
- [105:25]
B
Well, because Notre Dame is a better team.
- [105:29]
A
Notre Dame has two losses. USC has one. They lost.
- [105:33]
B
Okay, you know what? You're right. You're right. Who do USC lose to? Illinois.
- [105:40]
A
Had to travel. I also want to say this, while not rational, I think somewhere in the, I like USC. I think somewhere in the 15 range, I want Texas back in.
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B
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, they'll, they'll have a chance to get themselves in there. But they, I mean, but Georgia Tech.
- [106:03]
A
You got to kind of have in there.
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B
They haven't lost yet, if I'm being honest, about Texas Tech, like 18. I mean, about Texas 18. And then they can move the way up from there.
- [106:18]
A
Okay. And Michigan's just out for now.
- [106:23]
B
For now.
- [106:23]
A
That was a. That was a bad loss, that Florida State.
- [106:26]
B
Three in a row, man.
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A
Goodbye.
- [106:28]
B
What happened?
- [106:29]
A
See ya. I mean, we started with firing, firing James Franklin without Hoss here, by the way, begging cost.
- [106:40]
B
This was your night, Hos.
- [106:42]
A
Yeah, Haas. Well, maybe because he knew. Maybe he knew all of his work had come together. He could sit back with a. With a cold one and put his feet up and listen to me fire people. Hey, mensch. Love you, buddy.
- [106:55]
B
Love you too, man.
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A
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