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With all that said, we've got a reset higher reaction show to do. Tucker's all over it. 180 days until the NFL draft. I've got to explain what the hell's going on with me, why I'm not in studio. We got the best things that we've seen all day long. We got a handful of great games to cover that. Hopefully we won't be talking about firing, but I'm sure Haas will be on the chat. And I just want to let you know, Mensch, I'm really concerned. You good?
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What's wrong? I'm great, man. I'm great.
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All right, Tucker, roll that damn thing, man. All right, here we go. Yeah, I'm not in my home studio. It doesn'. It looks terrible. It looks like I'm in an insane asylum with a. With a phony painting there in the back or something like that. And that's fine. This episode is presented by Duluth Trading Co. Ready to give rival tailgates the foam finger. Duluth Trading Co. Crafts hall of fame game day gear to help you grill hotter, cheer louder and tailgate longer. Bibs loaded with pockets, gusseted pants so you can crouch without snuffing out your coals and free swinging shirts tailor made for cornhole tossing. Stay comfortable from preseason to playoffs in the toughest tailgate attire around. Only at Duluth Trading company. Let's get to. Let's get to the best things that we saw all day before we get into all the action. Okay? Tucker, there you are. You're. You never let me down. Drew Mess to maker. How about this? I read this on on X today front office sports. Want to give them credit for this? Drew Messmaker never started a single varsity game at quarterback in high school. He was a zero star recruit. Decided to walk on at North Texas. The freshman now leaves the country in passing. Steve, he just threw for a school record 608 yards and has the mean green 7 and 1 with the only loss coming to a ranked South Florida team. That's pretty wild as a freshman. You know what I mean?
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Like you would. You would think that he would have to get into the program and get his feet if this was. If he was a junior, that'd still be a great story.
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Yeah. There's enough situation where he waited four years and you know.
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Right. When's the last time like so are we. Did I not understand that he. The last time that he played a full game of football was in. In junior high where he was the starter and finished the game. Is that what I'm to understand, like.
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Honestly, I don't even know what that means. He didn't start.
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That's crazy.
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Wow.
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Mayor of Kingstown new season streaming October 26th on Paramount plus.
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Was he on the golf team and played some hoops and like some baseball and decided like, I'm going to try this football thing. I'm going to go to my flag football team.
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To get into a program like that and maybe do it when you're a junior. It would be pretty cool. That's insane. I mean that's just, that's different. I don't know if I've ever seen anything like that.
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Yeah. If you told me you went to like Bates or like Amherst.
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Let's wait. We might have like a Chad power situation here where we got some like quarterback who's come back and, and changes the appearance and, and you know, he's like, really? We're gonna find out he was like Eli Manning or something. I mean, it's crazy.
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It's an awesome story that like I, I wanted to shed some light on it because it's not, it's not A M, it's not Ohio State, it's not Indiana, it's not the College football playoff top 12 talk. But it's. It's like this is one of the cool things about college football that I didn't want to skip over. I did see someone else follow that with, with. He's going to be Indiana's next, next quarterback.
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Andrew Nowak says he was the, he said he was the punter and safety on his high school team. Third string quarterback.
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That's amazing how I want to know who was on that high school team. All right, you still have bonfire there that. Let's explain where I am. So I've mentioned I don't know everyone. I kind of asked. There's no, there's no secret that I, I have a blended family. Marissa and I have a blended family. She has two wonderful children that I consider my own. You know, as, as far as that goes and you know how that goes, Steve.
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I do.
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AJ And Mia. Wonderful, wonderful kids who are older than my two children, Tate and Allaire and, and taking a layer of liquid. We live with their mom on Nantucket sometimes and live with myself and Cohasset. I bleed blue for the big blue in swamp. Scott and I grew up in part of that program, but I'm always around the Cohasset program here in Massachusetts because AJ Plays on the. On the team for Cohasset, and so I'm around there, and my kids are young in Nantucket, and so we came down here. My daughter, Alaire 1, like, does the cheering. That's the pep rail. Pep rally that. You're watching that a bit. Honestly, it was like. It was like Southern stuff, man. It was cool. It was like, you know, bonfire, pig roast, cheer squad up, DJ going, like, really cool throwback stuff, like 1980s football down south Texas stuff. So. So we came down here for the weekend. We were only going to spend one night, and then Alair's got a soccer game today, and Tate's got to practice, and me and AJ are being awesome because they go to their games up in Cohasset. So we decided, hey, let's stay another night. So I called Tucker and I'm like, tucker, I got this room. It's not ideal. The volume's not going to be great. There's going to be people in the chat complaining that the chat's better than the show, and it already started. And I'm with you. I understand, but we're all making sacrifices here, and it was a wonderful time for our family down here, and we decided not. We're going to spend another night. So they're all tucked away in their. In their beds, and we're going to spend another day tomorrow, so that's why we're here. But congratulations to Nantucket. Big win over Sandwich today. Seven and. Oh, okay, seven, zero. And. And won their. Won their conference, and they're, like, the top five in Division 6. There's eight divisions in. In. In Massachusetts, so congratulations to them. And Cohasset, I believe, is number one in there in Division seven, so pretty cool. Pretty cool to be around all of that as a side note. So now you know a little bit more about me, my family, and what's going on and, like, what's more important. So if one show doesn't look as nice with the McShay show sign behind us, then everyone's gonna have to deal with it. All right, what's next, doctor? Take it off. Take it off. Looking good in his. Yeah, whatever it is. I don't want to put an age, but if I. If I look that. That shredded, you know, in my. In my Latter years. But Indiana, man, something feels different. You get old men getting naked in the football games. Like something feels different there. I just thought that was cool. I, I actually saw a bar that is cool. PMT posted it. You know, the big cats thing like dudes rock. I thought that was appropriate and appreciate Fox Sports there for, for, you know, their, their X handle. So. But yeah, all ages, we've seen all year. All right, this is the next one up. Best things we saw all day.
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Can't get enough of this. Can't get enough of this.
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Roman, Tim, Jordan all picked ou. No big deal. We all, we all, we all pick losers every once in a while, believe it or not, right? But Kiffin, like, fresh out of the locker room talking to his team after a monster win, fresh out of the interviews and the media session that he has to do, gets right on his phone, gets his thumbs working and finds some fodder. This guy is absolutely feeling himself every single week. It's. Did you see the interview, too?
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Yeah.
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Right after the game.
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Yes.
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And we can't, you know, we don't have rights to all that, so we can't post it. But that, that was, honestly, I mean, that's hysterical. But that's, that's on brand for Lane. He had an OU defensive player come by and, and, and, and he just, he starts jawing with the OU defensive players like that. That guy said we couldn't score on him. And so now he's embarrassing the player in front. I mean, he just, he doesn't care.
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I don't think him going after a player is, is necessarily great, but the player went after him first. There's going to be. I'm fine with that. That player wanted that smoke. That player was still trying to talk to him after the game. And if that's the case, then, then that's fair game. And I don't think Lane intended that to be on tv. It just happened that way that he was getting, he's getting pulled into the interview as this kid's trying to still talk trash about a game that he just lost in Lane being lame, being a competitive dude is going to give it back to him. I, I have zero problem with that. I'm here for it. It feels, it also feels different for Ole Miss this year, man.
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I think Brian Haas just said the nicest thing he's ever said in the chat. Signetti is better than Woody Hayes is what he said.
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Oh, he just had, he had him. He had a better than Bear Brian a minute ago. I mean, I think he's just rattling off coaches.
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Well, I'm just saying it's normally fire this, fire that. He's a firing. He's firing equipment staff usually by 11:44pm on Eastern Time. As it is this Saturday night, he. It's October 25th, but every. Every previous Saturday during this year because he's been a little bit of a missing link.
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Yeah, but do you know where Haas went to school? No, I think he went to Indiana. I think someone just said he was in Indiana alone.
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That would make sense.
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Is that right?
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Let us know. But Indiana feels different this year. They've got. They've got old men getting naked or. Or shirtless, I should say. It's. It's. It's kind of been a while. Right. And we'll get to Indiana. What's next talk.
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Is that the last of them?
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It might be the last of them, huh?
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Yeah.
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There was one more.
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Oh, you want to do your Saturday night spotlight right now?
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No, we'll get to that in a minute. Oh, sure. Give it away. Yeah, why not? Let's go. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. And it leads us right into to the net, to the biggest game. This game was fun, man.
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Yeah.
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There was a Tom Brady, Nick Saban thing that I was going to show, but we can get to that another time. It didn't make any sense at all, but I saw it today. Trinidad Chambliss, 24 for 44, 31. It says 84 that. I don't think we're doing our math right. 315 yards passing and a touchdown. 12 carries for 53 yards rushing. You know why? You know why? He's a spotlight player for me, at least today, A, it was the biggest game and he had clearly the biggest performance in that game. Sometimes I think we forget the human element of this whole thing that we're covering college football.
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Okay.
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He's a Division 2 player who, if, if you're, if you're a. If you're Brian Haas type and there's a lot of them, them circling around college football every week. And we love you, Hussey. We just. I'd like to use your negativity and kind of is a catapult to some other things, but there's a lot of people who like to point out the negatives, like.
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Oh.
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Yep. See, finally, he never played in front of a big, crowded Division 2. He wasn't ready. Yeah, he came out early on against Georgia. He looked great for three quarters, but the pressure, the crowd noise, the environment, it all got to him in the fourth quarter. Ole misses offense in the week ago's lock it lost against Georgia. The only loss of the season for Ole Miss. The quarterback who's come out of nowhere wasn't supposed to be in the starter coming into the year. Simmons goes down with with the injury. He steps in opportunity, preparation all meets forget luck. That's what it is. But he can gets in this big moment in the fourth quarter in a tight game against Georgia and he freezes up. That's what everyone's saying. Will he ever recover? Well, he comes right back out this week at Oklahoma. And I wanted to explain something to you folks. No turnovers in Norman. An OU defense that was second in the country giving up 9.4 yards per game. Second behind Ohio State. That points nine four. 9.4 points per game allowed coming into this week and they dropped 34 on that group. Yeah. And Chambliss was the reason. The biggest reason I should say.
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Yeah. And they were. It was a very similar situation where they went late third they went down. They that Ole Miss had been felt like they were controlling the game and then that Oklahoma and everyone was waiting for it.
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Everyone was waiting for it. Right. I wasn't waiting for it.
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But I see what you're saying. I was sitting there and saying okay, here we go again. Same situation. And I wouldn't say that he froze against Georgia, but he tight. I thought he tightened up and missed some throws that he was making earlier in the game. So I wanted to see how he react and he, he stepped up, man. He shined and, and, and good for him. I mean that's a great, great sign for them going forward. And also the way the game ended, I thought the Ole Miss defense finally made some plays, man. Like there was some real positives to take out of this game for Ole Miss. Not just the win, but kind of how they did it.
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Evan Holly, I I see you on the chat and I, I promise you like Minecraft that art behind me like Minecraft. Minecraft is being kind to it. I don't know what the hell is going on with it but. But I'm glad you guys are along for the show because it's. It's not the typical one but it seems like everyone's handling it well. Right? Yeah, I, I hear you sprattes33. Oklahoma hasn't played anyone and all that. Like I get you. Like they haven't played but like they. Yeah, you can complain. Auburn and maybe Michigan isn't as good offensively as maybe people thought they could be in with Underwood as the start of this year, but it's still 9.4 points per game after six games, you know, and like, and the challenge is there. Like, I'm, I'm all set with that.
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Yeah, I'm not buying that argument.
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Here's what I want to get to in this game, though, beyond just, beyond just Trinidad and his performance.
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Okay.
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Don't you just want Lane to stay at Ole Miss and Venables to stay at Oklahoma for like the next at least five years so we can keep seeing this?
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Did you see the split screen they had with their coaches, their assistant coaches going back and forth on. Are, is this what you're about to talk about the signals?
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I would take it.
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Oh, God, it was the best thing ever. I mean, these guys are freaking out. They look like air traffic controllers on every play. And it's three guys doing three different signals and, and, and lanes, you know, doesn't necessarily get as many plays in, but he still runs tempo, so, so Venables has to react quickly and there, it's, it was awesome to watch. Like, it's just, it's, there's so much going on between those two. And by the way, the way they met at the field after the, after the game made me feel like they have a ton of respect for each other. You know, just two dudes are really good at what they do and one's on defense and one's on offense. It was, I thought that was genius. I think that was abc, right. I thought it was genius by them to have the split screen of the two coaches at times, but also the guys who are calling the plays in from the sidelines and you got a feel for, you know, two of those guys are dummies, so they can't steal the signals, but all of them are, it should be sponsored by Red Bull or whatever energy drink you want to pick because they are going to bananas with all the signals that they're, they're throwing at people. I thought it was awesome.
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Well, it's funny too. I, I, I've read reports like they used, they used to call the guy the, the guys. Clemson that did the signal ceiling.
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Yeah.
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Choir. The choir boys, because they would sit on the sideline with their, the, the, the hymnal. Hymnals, it looks like, and they like flipping through the hymnal, you know, go to get a hymn 3, 3, 34, you know, like.
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Right.
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And because they put so much time into stealing the signals and so Lane obviously is going to take his shots at him at Venables in His history with that in the press conference this week. And now it becomes Lane versus Venables. And it's like this new budding rivalry in the sec. And yeah, if he goes to Florida or if he goes somewhere else in the sec, it still is going to exist. But don't you just love Lane an at all miss for some reason?
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I do. I think he's. It feels like he's found his best version of himself there. And maybe I'm just buying. Maybe I'm buying the pr, and that's fine. I don't care. I. I want. I want Lane Kiffin to be happy. I want all human beings to be happy and successful. And it just feels like this guy who's had this, you know, this crazy kind of career seems to have found his best self there. And why would you go anywhere else at that point?
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And did you. Did you see the OU fans early on doing the. No, I missed that. You missed that?
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Oh, I missed that.
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Awesome. No. Nobody. No fans in the world. I don't care if European soccer, football, like, there's no more creative.
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Yeah.
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College football fans, you know.
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Yeah.
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And they're talking about, even on our chat right now, the Gator chop with all the noise about Florida coming in and out, bidding Ole Miss to get Lane Kiffin and to start that early in the game was just. Was just priceless. I love it.
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I love it.
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Going back to this game, specifically Venables, I thought, did a really good job at times and weathered the storm certain things. And as the game progressed, felt like he started to get a beat on what Lane was doing. This has been the best coaching job Lane Kiffin has ever done, and Lane Kiffin has won national titles as offensive coordinators and play callers before. Lane has done remarkable things throughout his career. It has been mired with controversy and his own created nonsense at times. And he has not backed off on all the nonsense. In fact, he's kind of leaning into it now that he's. He's where he is and he's healthier and his mind is the best it's been and his physical health, his mental health and all those things. And so he's like, I'm the same dude and. And we're going to keep winning. But I'm telling you. Is that like X's and O's every week I'm seeing him just. He's one step ahead and I. I'm watching this game like a venom. Okay. This chess match, Lane's got it early on, but. Oh, use. They got A beat on him now and then. See him.
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That defensive line started to heat up a little bit.
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Started heating up, right?
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Yep.
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And to see him have answers to their answers, like, that's. That's like 401 stuff, you know?
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Yeah. The throwback quarterback.
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And to do it with a quarterback that was kind of fragile late in the game and to do with a quarterback who was Division 2 and doesn't have game experience, like, it's just. He's. He's doing his thing. This is the best version of him. And we're. We're fortunate as college football fans to be able to sit back and watch. It's a treat every Saturday because you get all the nonsense leading up and right when the game's over, when he's done painting this masterpiece, Picasso, he starts fighting with a defensive lineman from OU during an interview and gets on with his thumbs and is going after Jordan Rogers and. And Tim Tebow on SEC Network and Roman Harper. This is he. I told you Spurrier was cute. This is like the advanced, much more sophisticated version of what Spurrier was in the sec. And Spurrier was an absolute gem that, like, you thought we'd never have another one like him, but we got a better one, more sophisticated version in Lane Kiffin.
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I don't know what's with the ricochet shot on Spurrier, because he was his own thing and awesome in his own way. Like, we don't have to. We don't have to compare the two. I. I think there's a cop there.
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Because I got you.
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There's a comp there, but we don't have.
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This could be because we're talking Florida, but there. You got to admit there are similarities.
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Oh, I think there are. I just think that's. I wouldn't say that Spur. This was a more advanced thing of, like, Spurrier. If people. I don't know, I feel like kind of aging ourselves here. If our listeners don't really know. Steve's barrier. Just unbelievable.
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Offense was not advanced, sir.
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I understand, but his. They put up points.
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Did it need to be? They were absolutely not. I'm just saying it was a track meet.
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I get it. But there's a lot of people, I think, who would say the same thing about Lane in terms of how quarterback friendly it is, even though it is a more advanced offense. Whatever. We're falling down a rabbit hole here.
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I just don't.
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Don't take a shot at my guy, Steve Spurrier. There's no need for it.
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Yeah. I guess it was an indirect shot. You're right. It was a ricochet and I didn't mean it as such. Oklahoma, it's not really the story, but, but we do cover the NFL draft and I just got done doing, you know, a whole thing on it this past week. John Mattier is not the same guy with that, with the thumb injury and who, like, why did we ever think he would be? And quite honestly, why did Oklahoma think he would be? I promise you, I, I do feel like we've been a step ahead on this and, and I'm not here to pat us, pat us on the back, but I took the time. I remember on that Sunday after it was Kent State. Right. And oh, geez, I'm gonna, I'm blanking right now. And the, the backup quarterback came in and I.
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Yes, Michael Hawkins Jr. Yep.
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Michael Hawkins Jr. Came in and, and they, I think it was like 48 to something, 48 to 6 or something like they blew, blew the doors off of Ken.
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Yeah, it was, it was a lot to.
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And you would think that really impressive. Right. And I went in and watched the tape and I'm watching the sidearms slinging, passing off target throws and I think they saw like, we can't beat Texas, like we can't even compete with this at quarterback. And, and no one's ever going to admit it, but I think that maybe, I think that maybe allowed them to let Matier speed things up. That created more urgency.
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Right.
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And so he looked good for a little bit in Texas, but then the three interceptions and then he comes out the next week and we've been chronicling it all along. He's missing throws he never missed. He's always been overly aggressive. He's always has material moments. There's always three or four plays a game where you rip your hair out because you're like, what are we doing? But, but sometimes two or three, three of them wind up being big time plays on, on decisions and throws and aggressive kind of attacking style moments that you don't want your quarterback to make that wind up working out for him because he's so uniquely gifted. But now he can't make the ordinary throws and even when he's like connecting and it's a completion, it's missing within the strike zone. It's not the same operation. And so it's hard to watch because we know what he is. And at this point I'm kind of like, it's going to recover, his thumb's going to get back and it's. But it's going to take time And I'm not saying you should shut it down for the year or anything like that. I'm just saying I'd really like to see him back in Norman next year because I don't want him going in the NFL draft with this being his. This second half of the season. And the tape that I'm studying, and I know you're studying as well, being the tape that the NFL scouts are. If they, because there were plenty of guys in the league that already had their doubts about Mater. I'm not saying a lot of. But there, there are some. If you talk to, if you pull a handful of, you know, folks in the league, there were some that had their questions about Matier and this gives them a lot of fuel for their fire. If they're pounding the table against John Matier, I'd really like to see him come back. And I, I don't know. But, but at the end of the day, honestly, like while, while some of it is, is still on Mater and his inability to make the throws that he, we know he's capable of making because we have such a lot, a big catalog of him doing it. This offensive line was always going to be the downfall of Ou. And I'm looking today and yes, he's 17 for 31 passing and, and, and yeah, he hasn't been the same but he also just 17 rushing yards on 13 attempts. His thumb isn't bothering his legs and his running ability and he's just as aggressive. I haven't seen any hesitation from him as a runner and they just as a, as a offense have not been able to run the football. So you combine those things and over time, even if Lane wasn't cooking and Trinidad didn't have the performance that he did, they, it just, it didn't feel like it was going to be enough. You know, there was the, and that muff, that muff punt in the fourth quarter I thought was killer for OU because OU was hanging, they were fighting, they were doing every little thing they could. But it felt like that was the moment where it just became a, I don't want to say insurmountable, but it became too much of, too much of a hill to climb.
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I, I agree with everything you're saying. I mean you could look at Xavier Robinson today. It had 109 yards rushing and you're like, oh, they had 100 yard rusher. They, he popped one for 65. They couldn't run the ball consistently. They haven't been able to run the ball consistently all year. And you know and then you throw on. It's a really good defense, it's a really good defensive coach. But Mater is not, he's not like the whole. He had a couple whole balls today where I was like that's his thing, man. He just, he just is lasers throwing into that area of the field and he was missing high. And so it's. I agree with you. I mean they got. I think they have Tennessee next week and then they get a buy before they finish up. They go on that last run. So maybe that extra week he'll get a little healthier and we can start to see some, some improvement. But at this point it looks like the best thing for him to be to do NFL draft wise would be.
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To go back which I think would be. I know would be a great thing for college football. Would be a great for college football.
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Oh yeah.
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You know, just add to the, the compete level of the SEC next year. But let's get back, get back to Ole Miss. Unlike Oklahoma which still has this gauntlet. It's like a never ending gauntlet for, for Oklahoma and that's why I have so much concern. And that buy comes at. You know, it probably needed to come earlier. Ole Miss, man, South Carolina who felt like they shot their best shot today against Alabama and we'll get to that game in a minute. Citadel, Florida and then the Egg bowl against Mississippi State. So like yeah, South Carolina could pop up and get them. And we, we've seen Lane Kiffin teams throughout his history.
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Yeah.
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Seen this Ole Miss team not play to the level. So like they're gettable. I'm not saying they're not gettable but if they play to us even B level the rest of the season, they're. They're going into this College Football playoff. They're a one loss team again in that one loss was against Georgia in a game which they kind of at Georgia. At Georgia dominated for three quarters. Young quarterback, you know, all that stuff. I mean with you man, it would take. It would take something totally unforeseen happening for Ole Miss, Ole Miss not to be in that college Football playoff. And I'll remind you at the end of this show, as we do every night, every Saturday night, the TMS CFP 12. It's not even the CFP 12. It's the TMS top 12 and we'll transition to make it the CFP 12 as we get closer and the committee starts getting involved. But it's the TMS, the McShay show top 12 which honestly this week less movement than than probably any other week that we've done it. But there's still some interesting conversations to be had. This episode is brought to you by Scout Motors. I'm actually thrilled we have a partnership with Scout Motors. I'm trying to buy a Scout. I desperately need one in my life. I've had my eye on it since social media started showing me that they're coming back. Remember a few years ago when the Vikings were down by 33 points at halftime against the Colts but managed to turn it around in overtime? It was the largest comeback in the history of the NFL. Just as iconic is the comeback of the Scout Traveler and Scout Terra, last produced in the 80s when I was born. Life was so simple back then. They've been reimagined for today with four wheel drive, optional 35 inch tires and more. Join the wait list@scout motors.com concept vehicles not available for sale for features and performance specifications are preliminary and subject to change. Joining the wait list does not guarantee purchase. Visit scoutmotors.com for more details. All right, moving on from that, number four, Alabama at South Carolina. Alabama wins this one 2922. And if you just got off a plane from Asia and you read that, you know what I mean? Like you plane from like a 19 hour flight, you land and you're in or you slept for the last nine hours, your Internet wasn't working. And finally you get going, you fire up the wi fi as you're pulling into the gate and you're like I wonder what happened to Alabama. Although they won by a touchdown, it was at South Carolina. Probably a letdown after the Remember, Alabama just went on a historic run. No one in history has ever won four straight games against ranked opponents inside the sec. They just did that. So it's like, all right, South Carolina is what, three and three I think coming into this year.
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B
Yeah.
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Reese Davis had a stat I wish I remembered exactly there they were like oh and vote for their last three or something like that. Against, against, unranked on the road against unranked opponents who didn't have a winning record or something like that. This was like the fourth one and they were oh for their last three. So this was a classic like and that that dates back. I would just make. Does it date back to Nick? It might.
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B
No, I think it's Deborah. It's the last.
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A
Okay.
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B
So.
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A
Oh, all right. So under deboer.
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So yeah, I think it was the.
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BO but it also like I can remember even under Nick, them not necessarily, necessarily losing but playing games that were Way too close for the talent level that they had. And this felt like kind of that game. What were your takeaways in this game? I'm really curious because I have some thoughts, but I'm really curious.
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B
The Rat Poison game, this was it. I thought that South Carolina tried to cut it out. It's tough that Lenore Sellers lost the fumble at the end because I think he's so gutsy in the way he carries his team and makes plays. I think he's actually on a Lenore seller's note really quickly. I think he's done a good job of not putting the ball in danger too much as a passer and just kind of taking what he. He gets. I thought he played really. I thought, you know, I forget about the numbers again. This guy doesn't have a ton of help around him. The defense showed up today like Dylan Stewart showed up in a big way today. I thought that defense played extremely well, but the best game they've played all year, and I don't think they've played that well this year. And then the. The interesting thing to me was at the end, it seems to me that they, as. They have a ton of faith in Ty Simpson, the quarterback, of course, but Jeremy Bernard is a guy that they really feel like when things matter, we need to get the ball in his hands, whether it's as a receiver, whether it's as a running back, whatever, like as a runner, whatever it is. Jeremy Bernard.
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Alabama. Alabama trusts Jeremy Bernard more than they trust Ryan Williams, even though Ryan Williams is a much more talented player, 100% superstar. But the ups and downs, it's right.
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Yeah, it's. It. I mean, 100. And it's interesting how they use him. It's. It's interesting how the office coordinate. Ryan Grubb uses him. I was, you know, the way he was in the backfield late in this game, and I was like, I've seen that. We've seen that this year. It's not a new thing. So I went to PFF after today, I think it's 21 snaps he's been in the backfield. It was five snaps against Georgia. They do a really good job of getting in the backfield, put him in motion and finding ways to get good matchups for him and getting the ball in his hands quickly. It's. It's an interesting little wrinkle that they have in their offense if you're not paying attention. And Jeremy Bernard all of a sudden is at the running back position. So I thought it was. I thought it was interesting about that, that Jeremy Bernard is, I think, their most trusted receiver. I agree with you on that. And then also that they weren't afraid to go into the bag a little bit with a little trickeration when this game was when it mattered most. You know, I was like, that's interesting that you're not going to go with your, you know, base offense that they're going to start running these, the, the, the trick plays that they were running or at least misdirection, sleight of hand. We can say maybe not trick plays, but it was interesting to me that that's when they went to those plays.
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C
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I felt like they got controlled a little bit in the line of scrimmage.
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B
Okay.
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A
I thought so. I thought South Carolina and I think that, I think part of that was rat poison. I don't, I didn't get the sense that Alabama at any point in time like took control. And I think I want to get Ryan Grub. I want to give Ryan Grub a lot of credit, man. Because when, when you're coaching in Alabama and you see the progress, you talk about Kaden Proctor and this offensive line improving as the seasons progress. Right. And, and you get to a point as a play caller when you can kind of start to lean on that in moments, but to recognize in game that, you know, tonight or this afternoon into, into tonight, South Carolina's. We're not pushing South Carolina around.
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B
No, we're not the bully.
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So it's on me now as the, as the play caller to create optimal positions, create winning opportunities. And I, and I've got a Jeremy Bernard who's really good with contact, balance, vision after the catch, get the ball in his hands. I've got, I've got all sorts of weapons that I can utilize from Williams to, to the young freshman to, to obviously Jeremy that we're talking about to, to create some eye candy and move things around. Yeah, I get Ty Simpson that I'm now. So to have that in the, in the bag, to be able to pull it out in like the 16th, 17th hole, even though it's a shot you haven't. T. If you haven't used all season on the PGA Tour. But you know what? This is the time to use that 56 and, and, and get it out and let's, let's, let's hit this out of the rough, whatever it is, you know. Yeah, I, I was impressed. I've been impressed. I think Grub's done as good a job as any offensive play caller in all of college football, maybe outside of Lane Kiffin this year. And they're, they've been doing very different things. One has been tempo beauty, you know, ramping it up, driving it back, you know, trans transitioning from the west coast that he had transitioned into with Jackson Dart to going back to what he had done a few years ago, but like a more refined version. So what Lane has done has been very different. This has been a lot of pro stuff, but today it was, we got a team that's not like, we can't lean on our front. So let's, let's, let's take advantage of. I do worry Alabama is going to get in the College Football Playoff. I truly believe that. I think Alabama can win the national championship.
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B
I agree.
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It's kind of like in scouting. Right. I always talk about all the general managers I've talked to over the years. Even, even Bill Polian, you know, six time executive of the year for the Indianapolis Colts. So many of the really good ones would always talk about when I, when I sit down and I talk to a scout that has spent a lot of 15 months maybe or more on one player, and we're kind of pushed to shove. Talk to me about why is it going to work for him, this, this prospect and if it fails, tell me the reason it will fail in advance so that I can kind of forecast that with what we have as a team, how do we want to utilize them all? That's kind of the same so with Alabama, I think they're good enough. I think Ty Simpson's playing at a level. I think the receivers are good enough. I think their offensive line is getting better. I think their defense is playing at a high level, not elite like the Nick Saban defenses when they're at their best. But it's, it keeps kind of getting better and did a really good job during that four game run that we just talked about. But if, if Alabama is going to not make that run and they come up short, I think it's going to be the run game. That's a lack thereof.
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B
That's fair. I think it showed up at times. I mean that's when, when they've been in a bad spot, it's, it's because there's been a lack of a run game. I think that it's absolutely fair. But I will also say this. I mean they, you're right about, I mean just to kind of concentrate the point. They did go on an absolute tear. And this is kind of a game where you may be going into and things. South Carolina's have it down here. We talk about how hard it is to play in that stadium all the time at South Carolina and it showed, it showed again today. That's a tough place to win. You know, the SEC is a different animal and that's a tough place to win. And they found a way to get it done. They found a way to get a pick six. They found a way to get a strip at the end of the game. They found a way to win that game. And at the end of the day you can, you could say, well it was against South Carolina and all that. It's survive in advance, man, survive in advance. And, and they did it. And so they have a chance now to continue to get better and we'll see what happens down the stretch. But to me, they are still very much a contender. And I see some people in the chat talking about how Lenora Sellers ain't it and I, I just can't, you know, if I see something, I'll back off of it. And I know that, you know, the end of the fumble, the end of the game, the fumbles is tough, I get it. But he's trying to drag eight guys for more yards. You can't do it. You got to hold on to the ball. I'm not making an excuse for that. But if you watch Lenora Sellers for any amount of time to tell me he ain't it, I, I just don't know what to tell you. If you think that game is close without Lenore Sellers at quarterback for South Carolina? You're mistaken. It's. He is a hell of a football player.
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He has flaws, man. There's no question. But.
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B
No question. They all do.
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But, but I promise you, his flaws are correctable. And the flaws he has right now are like minuscule compared to the flaws he had early last year when he took over as a starter. So I'm. As an evaluator, I'm seeing growth in this guy. Yeah, I want to see him back next year. I want to see another year of game experience. I don't think he throws that pick six on the sideline. I think he learns to protect the ball a little bit. I think there are certain things. I think he continues to drill in the footwork, and we see a little bit more consistency with some of the throws. Even the deep ball he threw to Nick Harbor Harper was a little bit under thrown and could have caused problems if the DB was in a different spot. But how. Like, we saw Marcel Reed do some of this stuff. But, But Sellers is far more advanced as a passer.
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B
Yeah.
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And he, and he's developed into that in just, you know, a year plus as a starter. I think he's gonna be special. I, I truly do. I think he's top, top five pick when he comes out. Whether it's 2026 or 2027. I think the best thing for him would be 2027, but that's not for us to decide.
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B
Yeah, I'm fascinated to see where he's playing and who's. Who he's playing with. I mean, I. If he comes out or if he stays, if he decides to go to, to transfer, I think it would be like the most sought after quarterback in the transport portal. By far most sought after player. And I'm hoping that South Carolina can get some help in there for him. You know, improve the offensive line, get some more weapons at receivers, some more refined receivers and, and that'll be. It'll be interesting to see how that unfolds for him.
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A
I want to go back to one thing, though. Ever, like, it feels like every championship team or ever every great team or really, really good team has moments in their season.
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B
Right.
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A
And Alabama already already lost the game. We're not talking about the sec. We're talking about like, if they don't win the SEC championship game, are they in a comfortable enough position where they're going to wind up getting in, Losing to Florida State, which season has tanked, and losing to three and three Was it three? Three.
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B
Three and four. Three and four. Yep.
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A
Not good on the resume. Well, three and four now. But they were three and three coming into the week.
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B
No, they're. They're three and five now. They were three.
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Oh, three and five. Okay. So I'm sorry. Yes. Three and four.
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B
Yep.
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So not good for the resume. No, this, that was a critical moment. And that fourth quarter drive kind of may have, if they don't go on to win the SEC championship, may have saved their season. 14 plays, 79 yards, 7 minutes and 30 seconds. They controlled the ball after struggling to control the ball and drive it down the field. And it's not a conversation we need to have tonight. But like I'm starting to worry about Ryan Williams with the drops.
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B
Yeah.
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But not only to do that but then to hit the two point conversion. Oh yeah, special drive. And that was, that was Ryan Grubb dialing up a handful of different things throughout to, to the onions.
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B
The onions on the coordinator and on the quarterback in that driver where it was just, you know, it's all the things we had said about it which they justified.
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A
And this was not a great, great day for Ty Simpson. I'm. I'm beating so hard. You're, you're yelling at me. 3 over 3 overall on your big board. Why do you miss QB1? He's the next Mac Jones. I'm talking.
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B
I did not say that. I did not say that.
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A
Asking me questions in the middle of dinner about it. Tell us, is he Joe Burrow or is he Mac Jones? And like, can I enjoy Jamelli's? I love it. That's not what I said.
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B
I almost like him now more. I almost like the Ty Simpson. I like him now more because there was a little bit of adversity today. He was put in the spot and he came through, man. And when it mattered most again, how is it? What's a quarterback do when it matters most? And he came through.
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And I, I see people in the chat complaining. Some. Someone said it's the, it's a, it's the MC SEC show. Well, I got news for you. Next up, Missouri, Vanderbilt. Play some big games. Big 10. Play some big games. Big 10 ACC. What do you do? Let's go down my notes. You want to talk about Indiana 56 to 6 or whatever the final was?
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B
Yeah.
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Against. Against UCLA. Any more questions?
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B
Yeah, I would love to talk about Alberto Mendoza today.
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Alberto. That'll be in our final notes. I got a couple things that are fun. Missouri, Vanderbilt. Number number 15. Missouri. Number 10. Vanderbilt 17 to 10. Frustrating game.
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B
Ugly game.
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Ugly game 2. The defenses were outstanding. Missouri like they just can never get over the hump, man.
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B
No.
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And so while I'm thrilled to see Vanderbilt in this, this run continue, Diego Pavia, like he was 10 of 19 for 129 yards. Like meh, he had he. And so usually when he doesn't have the big passing numbers, he's got the big passing numbers. He had eight carries for 20 yards.
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B
Yeah.
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It was literally just enough. And they ruined my fanduel pick of the week, by the way.
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B
I'm sure they're crushed.
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I'm sure they're crushed. How does this game have a seven point differential in it? Like it felt like a one point game and it was gross one point game. But if you're a defensive coach you're like gross. Get out of here. Like yeah, the backup came in prior, went out in the third quarter. Matt Zollers comes in, he's 14 of 23. Made a couple decent throws, did his thing, but it wasn't enough. Ahmed Hardy was really good. 20 carries for 97 yards. But there's. There are B2. I forgot I don't have the numbers. But they just didn't get enough production and it just wasn't enough. In Vanderbilt this. The Cinderella story continues and there. And it took honestly the defense stepping up and maybe an injury for them to get this win. Yeah. Because I honestly here I guess my point. I thought Missouri was actually outplaying them before Prula went out.
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B
I kind of like Missouri in this game. It. It was tough because it was at Vanderbilt. But yeah, I mean it was. It was back and forth and it was ugly. And I love Missouri's defense. I like Missouri's defense better than like Vanderbilt. So if we're gonna get into a knockdown fight and it's going to be the run game in defense, Missouri's built to do that. Missouri's built to win those kind of games. But yeah, I don't know. I do think it's interesting that Vanderbilt, Tennessee at the end of the year, Vanderbilt at Tennessee. This could be one of the biggest games of the season is Vanderbilt at Tennessee. And that would have been unthinkable three or four years ago. So good on, good on Vanderbilt.
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A
It used to be a stock of a rivalry, honestly. Yes.
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So that's. I'm excited about that. But Vanderbilt does have to get by Auburn and Kentucky first. But they're in a good spot too, man. They're. The SEC is fascinating right now. We could do A whole show about how. How that could shake out. And I'm sure that the chat's here for it. I can tell. I think they like that stuff.
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Yeah. I don't know what else we can provide in this game outside of. We'll get to where. Where Van Vanderbilt should be ranked in the. In the TMS top 12. When we combine our thoughts and. And we come up with a consensus or the closest thing we can later. Sticking with the sec. Here we go. How do I want to frame this? If I had told you that that arch Manning went 29 of 46 for 346 yards with three touchdowns and that Ryan Wingo went off five catches for 184 yards. After watching the struggles with Manning early in the year, after watching he and Wingo just not being able to connect, almost like it was like, like the yips and it was Wingo dropp. Was Manning throwing it in the dirt. Like they just. It was like they. Like one of them stole the. The other's girlfriend, but like they both stole each other's. Like they just. They couldn't connect. No chemistry. And so you got Manning with 346, Wingo with 184 of them. And if I told you that they just won another game and they beat Oklahoma, you'd be like, all right. But they. Maybe they can make a run at this thing, right? Yeah.
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B
Because that defense is so good.
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A
The defense is great. They're always great. They gave up 8:38 points defensively today. The offensive line, the run game continues to be borderline putrid. 72 yards rushing on 32 carries. And I guess I'm burying the lead. This game went into overtime and it took 24 points in the fourth quarter from Texas to even get it to overtime.
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B
I thought it was over and then because I stopped watching and then the. The tracker came on and said it was tied. I was like, what. What's happening? What happened in that game?
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And so like, I don't want to spend a lot of. But Texas is 6 and 2. They're 3 and 1 in the SEC. Manning throwing for 350. But I feel like Texas is a dead man walking.
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B
I do too. And I did. But you're right. I mean, the reality is different than the perception right now.
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I'm curious, Vander. Vanderbilt's up next then. Don't forget 1613 against Kentucky the week before.
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B
Yeah.
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And so one week it's. And remember I said you after Oklahoma. I've been in this. I've been in this game too. Long. Yeah. I've seen too many Oklahoma Red river rivalries where the winner comes out and you're like they're about to go on a run. They look great. And it becomes fool's gold.
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B
Yeah.
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And. And it's kind of. Even though Texas is 12 straight. You know you have that ugly loss at Florida now which continues to look uglier but like. And the opening loss which. Which took a dent out of them but really like they got the Oklahoma win. They won Kentucky. They win at Mississippi State. Now they go home to Austin. They get Vanderbilt, but Vanderbilt's ranked 10. I'm dying to know from FanDuel. Actually, you know what? We might be able. I'm doing much. See if you can look it up on your app. But before you do, who's gonna be favored in that game? It's at Texas. I'm interested in our chat. Huh?
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B
I'm going.
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A
I'm going.
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B
Vanderbilt.
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Like two and a half.
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B
I was gonna say three.
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A
Okay. I mean three and a half.
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B
Let me see if I can find it. I mean Vanderbilt gave them a game last year was 2724.
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A
Texas Fanduel never. They're unbelievable. Like the folks like Tucker. Tucker just presses a button. Did he already get it? Someone's sitting there FanDuel and they just like minus trying to figure it out. Taxes is minus two and a half.
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B
Wow.
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A
I bet you that. I bet you by Saturday that line shifts to Vandy favor. That's. Let's see. Let's see how that plays out.
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B
That'll be. I missed that game and. And talk about the rest of Vanderbilt schedule by the way. So I'm glad you brought it up but I mean that's really a toss up like. And who. Who would have thought.
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A
Can I just say something? Well, I mean let's just take the beating. I mean we're going to take the beating for the bad art and the. In the production that. The production mess that I created for this show by staying here in Nantucket. And we're. And we're going to take a beating for the SEC tonight because they had just so happened to have the only like critical games. Not the only ones, but the most critical games. This thing in the. I mean on paper at least A M's undefeated. I'm talking A M's undefeated. Five zero. Bam is five zero. This isn't. This is SEC, right? Yep. Georgia, Ole Miss, Vandy, Texas all with one loss.
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B
Yeah. Oh, Texas has two.
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A
Right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
In the conference.
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B
Got it.
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A
Yep. That's 16s with one loss or fewer. It's pretty crazy. Yeah. And unlike the, unlike the Big Ten and the acc, they're, they're all playing each other. It feels like, like, you know, it's like two, it's not six degrees of separate. It's like two degrees of separation if it's not head to head in the next, in the next month of football, now that we're turning the page on November. So it's going to be an awesome run. All right, Big Ten, like we mentioned, we talk about Big Ten, UCLA, UCLA at Indiana, 56 to 6. Was that the final 56? I did want to get this note in before we get, before we get to the TMS top 12. I did want to get this note in. I can't remember. I'm sure like if I was back at espn, the stats and info group would have something, some sheet of paper sitting there and, and I'm certain they would, they'd run crazy about it. But the Mendoza brothers, I printed out notes here. Let's see. Oh, here it is. The Mendoza brothers, Fernando and Alberto Combined for 19 of 29 passing, 213 yards. Also combined for 84 past rushing yards.
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B
Yes.
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297 Total yards of offense between two brothers playing the same position for the same school. How freaking cool is that? If you're Mr. Mrs. Or any or grandparents or cousins, sisters, brothers of, of the Mendoza brothers.
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B
So Alberto gets in. It's. It's unbelievable. But Alberto gets in and he gets a first down and Fernando's does that like hands above the head, first down sign, you know, and it was like, dude, you're so goofy. But I love it because that's just awesome. Like, you know, your brother's out there making plays. You guys are, you know, making this historic run. How do you not love that? You just gotta love that.
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In 25 years, I can never remember a brother tandem at the same position, the same school, playing in the same, you know, and I'm sure it's happened and someone will pop it up, but like that's pretty, that's just like on a personal level, that's pretty freaking cool.
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B
Yeah, I don't even like any position. I don't remember anything like that happening.
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A
Another note, go to the ACC, give some love. Before we get to the top 12. We talked about Marcel Reed get involved in the Heisman. We know Diego Pavia getting involved. Ty Simpson absolutely invited at this moment. If you're not inviting Haynes King from Georgia Tech 8. No Georgia Tech. Like I don't know what Are we doing? And maybe he's. And he's been probably not going to get drafted. If he does, it'll be late and it's like all this stuff. But I'm talking about college football during the season. Impactful players in another three passing touches set a record. I don't know it's ever been done or it's been like 200 years since it has been something like that. Three passing touchdowns, two rushing touchdowns in this game combined like total yards from scrimmage from him. 395, 304 passing, another 91 on the ground.
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B
Taking care of business. Just another day at the office for the number seven team in the country. It's.
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A
It's awesome, right? And no one wants to. And I get it. They don't, they don't have the schedule that the Oklahoma's and the Alabamas and, and even the, you know, the Georges and, and. But their schedule is not much harder than like Ohio State or you know, like so far. But that's seventh in the country. They're getting their due there. They are where they belong. I truly believe that. But no one really wants to talk. No one believes yet. So I'm fascinated to see like down the stretch. It's the other thing like that Pittsburgh.
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B
Game the week, the Pittsburgh game the week before. Georgia watch out. That could be the trap. That Pittsburgh team's playing way better than they were earlier in the season. You might be looking ahead to that Georgia game. That's the mass. If they get to Georgia undefeated, what a massive game that will be after the. I don't know, what was it like a 3:30 overtime game last year? I mean went to like six overtimes or whatever it was with Kirby calling timeout at every overtime. They cannot overlook that Pittsburgh team. But other than that, Syracuse at North Carolina State, at Boston College, they got to be significant favorites in those games.
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Yeah, there's no question about it.
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B
But thanks Dan. Eight ots.
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Yeah, eight ots last year. Our residential yellow jacket.
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B
Yeah.
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There's just not a whole lot else to report. I think it's a perfect time. Let's transition the. The TMS top 12.
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B
Can I say one thing? One thing?
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A
Yeah, please. Go anywhere you want.
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B
I'll say this. Michigan took care of Michigan State, did the big brother thing tonight. Justice Haynes, oh yes, he is the truth. I don't know what his numbers were but like he just took over that game. Bryce Underwood is, is gonna be a very good quarter. Believe that he is still a very inconsistent passer and that that that whole passing attack hasn't really gelled maybe the way they would. Would have liked at this point in the season. But Justice Haynes is a different dude. I mean, he is a. He makes that team competitive.
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A
I want to give some love to Memphis, too. I mean, oh, massive. Florida came in. South Florida came in with just the one loss. They were the darling early on in the season. They jumped them, too. It was. Yeah, I think it was like 21 to 7, right?
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B
Yeah.
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A
On the second half, they. They scored 20 points in the set. 20 to 7 in the second half, they outscored them, and Now Memphis is 7 and 1. South Florida was.
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B
Memphis had a score. Had to score 17. They had scored 17 unanswered in the fourth. 17 and nothing in the fourth for.
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Memphis to win that game in Memphis. Don't forget the fighting, the fight in Mortensen's. They got knocked off by that UAB store. UAB team. It was unbelievable story. Chris, Alex Mortensen then. Chris was honestly, like one of my closest friends in. In work and in sports throughout my career. And, like, I don't know if anyone was or more influential on me really, as a human and professional in Chris Mortensen. So to see Alex and, like, when I would talk to Chris, it was always about his son first. And then we could get to some of the. Like, here's what I'm hearing for the draft, like, the amount of pride and so to hear, just to watch that story unfold at Memphis's. You know, unfortunately, Memphis being on the. On the wrong side of it, 3124. But then to bounce back against South Florida and get that win. So Memphis now is in that picture with the. The. The group of five.
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B
I think percentage wise, they're in the driver's seat.
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A
Yeah, it makes sense. So this is a monster win. I don't. I didn't want to brush over. And uva. How about Belichick? Maybe they're turning things around in Chapel Hill. Maybe. Leave it there. Okay.
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B
Maybe. Maybe.
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A
UVA wins 17 to 16.
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B
Simmons had a pretty good tweet about that. He said, technically, Belichick has made North Carolina more entertaining. I mean, technically.
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A
Yeah, sure. Yeah, True. Oh, no question. No question. I'm just looking at the chat. Anything we're missing here? I think Holly had to sound like. Holly had to check out early. Everyone said, paid their respects. A lot of Navy talk. All right, seems like we've gotten off. Off subject here, so that's good. That means that we can transition TMS top 12. This is like the moment of truth. And listen, we're not going to sit here with the strength of record. And I'm not saying that this is what the, the AP should be on on Sunday afternoon. And we definitely overreact and I definitely try to squeeze 15 teams in, but that's the fun of this whole thing. But when you look at. If you're watching on YouTube and we appreciate everyone who is or on Spotify when it comes out shortly, you're seeing a graphic here. If you're just listening to this podcast, which is a ton of people are on Spotify as well and Apple and everywhere else you get your podcast, you're looking at a top 12 board that Tucker has created for us that has all green W's. Usually it's the green W's and the L, the red L's and you get three buys in there and nine W. So why is anything going to change? So I asked you mensch with Ohio State at one Indiana, this is just, this is their top 12, the APS, which we don't always buy into, but I think, I think we're in agreement on the top four and nothing changed. Although does that win at LSU change your mind? Do you want to put them at number two or Indiana winning 56? Like, is it still Ohio State, Indiana, Texas A and M for you? Yes, me too. And then Alabama also.
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B
Even I do feel more like Texas A M is a legitimate national championship contender. I think they've always had a. I've always said that they, they were a team that could win it. Now I look at them as, oh, they're more than just.
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A
They're in that tier now.
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B
Yeah, they're in that top tier.
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A
For me, if we were to tear this thing out, it's a 1, 2, it's 3 in the top tier.
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B
I agree with Ohio State being top of the mountain by a little bit. But the, but those two teams are right there.
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A
I agree. And I think Bama today was, was an expected letdown and they showed championship caliber grit to find.
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B
Honestly, they might be in that group too. I wouldn't mind putting that.
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A
I was going to say even with the one loss, I think I, I honestly, I think I'd be interested to see what FanDuel neutral site. Alabama, Indiana, you know. Yeah, Alabama, Ohio State. It wouldn't be more than three point spread is my guess.
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B
I agree.
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A
So we agree in the top four. Then it gets kind of interesting, right? Because. Because Georgia's. Here's the tricky part. Georgia just beat Ole Miss. So you can't put Ole Miss ahead of Georgia. Right. Georgia's got to stay at 5. If you believe last week that Georgia was at 5. And I don't think either of us had a problem with. With that. Correct me if I'm wrong, Oregon is sitting at 6. Oregon. What was the final score in Oregon? I know they were still playing 21 7.
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B
What I think. Let me make sure. I thought it was over 21 7. Yeah, it was an afternoon game, I think.
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A
No, it was a night game. Was it? Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. So anyway, so my question to you is, here's what I want to say. No, I'm going to say for me, and you can talk me out of it. It's Ohio State 1, Indiana 2A and M3, Bama 4. And then it's Georgia, Ole Miss, Oregon, Georgia Tech.
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B
Great. Right with you. That's exactly how it's like him, by the way. Georgia Tech somehow falls a spot in all this. But it's just how I gotta. I gotta be honest. That's how I feel. And I think that Georgia Tech is legitimately a top 10 team. So I think there's something to be said for that. But Georgia Tech drops the spot even after Oregon has like a lackluster performance against Wisconsin. But that's how I see it too. Georgia, Ole Miss, Oregon, Georgia Tech.
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A
Ole Miss. I'm. I'm buying more than I ever thought this season I would buy. I guess that's my biggest takeaway from all of this. And quite honestly, like, yeah, they. They had 13 yards of total offense.
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B
They.
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A
They kind of collapsed in the fourth quarter against Georgia. I mean, they did. They collapsed in the fourth quarter against Georgia. But I honestly. Everything off the table, neutral site in the College Football Playoff. The way these two teams are, the trajectories, I honestly think I would take Ole Miss in a rematch or I would take Ole Miss over Georgia in a rematch.
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B
It's good. It would be a great game. It would be a great game. I don't know. I'm not. I don't think I'll ever go against.
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A
Well, no, Steve, we already had it. It was a great game. And now I'm putting it in neutral site. All right, moving on. So we got our top eight, Ohio State, Indiana A&M Bama top four. Five is George, remains Georgia, they had a buy this week. Then six is Ole Miss Sevens, Oregon, Georgia Tech is eight. Now we're down to Miami, Vandy and the. And the rest, byu, Notre Dame. Oklahoma gets an L. Texas Tech, Missouri, Missouri. Got to know now so that. That rounds out the top 15.
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B
Miami.
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A
I'm putting Vandy. I'm putting Vandy at nine.
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B
Wrong. 100.
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A
Miami.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah, you're right.
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B
Yeah.
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A
They just don't look right.
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B
They pulled away in the second half tonight.
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A
Pulled away Stanford, bro. I understand.
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B
Sanford. Who upset. I don't even know who upset.
- [67:33]
A
Whoever.
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B
They had a, they had a sleeper of a first half.
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A
Florida State.
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B
Oh, you're right. That was, that's not, that's not really much of anything, is it? They won 42 to seven. It was, it was seven to seven and a half. And then they laid 35 unanswered in the second half. Yeah. Give me, give me Miami a nine.
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A
Okay. My. Fine. I'll live with if we. It's. It's the TMS. It's not, it's not the Todd, it's the McShay Show. It's. It's us. But I, I don't think you're wrong. Yeah. Like head to head. I'm taking Miami over Vandy. But quite honestly with. I guess the point for me is with like this much conviction and if you're listening, I'm, I'm putting about three sheets of paper between my, my thumb and my index finger. I don't. And, and three weeks ago I would have put a shelf of books.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Between the two. Like encyclopedias. Yeah. Like Britannica. Like a six pack of Britannicas. BYU is sitting there at 11, Notre Dame at 12.
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B
Texas Tech.
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A
I love you, BYU. And, and I want you to prove me wrong. I'm not there yet. I don't know if.
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B
I don't know if I love byu, but I'm, I'm. Now I'm willing to get you, to get to know you a little bit better. You know what I mean?
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A
I'm willing, I'm willing to go on a date.
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B
You have my interests.
- [69:08]
A
You know, you've kind of been, you've.
- [69:10]
B
Been the girl that I've kind of like. I don't know, like maybe not. And then all of a sudden you're.
- [69:13]
A
Like, you know what?
- [69:14]
B
Maybe we should grab dinner sometime and.
- [69:15]
A
See, see, let's, let's grab a drink. Grab a drink before I commit to a three hour, two hour dinner, you know?
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B
Right.
- [69:24]
A
Right. But I'll, I'll go meet you somewhere for. Absolutely, yeah. I'll meet you somewhere. But, but if we're talking about Miami 9, Vandy 10. I'm, I'm starting to lean with you, man. Like, give Me, this Notre Dame team.
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B
Yeah, man.
- [69:45]
A
Notre Dame 11, Texas Tech 12. And I, and I really don't want it.
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B
Texas Tech, man. I don't know if you saw this. Will Hammond went out with a lower body injury. They have, they have some serious quarterback concerns like Will Hammond might be done for the year.
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A
But still.
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B
Yeah, I can't get Virginia. I, I keep trying to play devil's advocate with Virginia. I just. They keep winning, so. I know. They keep winning. So many close games.
- [70:14]
A
I just, I got a soft spot for, for Virginia, you know.
- [70:18]
B
I know, I know. But it doesn't pass.
- [70:22]
A
Is going to slap you upside the head if you don't, if you don't tighten up your mouth.
- [70:26]
B
Right.
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A
He's from Charlottesville. The whole, my whole, the whole Wood family, all my cousins. I love Charlottesville and we played football in Richmond and almost beat him. And I just, there's a connection there.
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B
I can't get behind it.
- [70:40]
A
You can't get behind it? Yeah, yeah, I think it's clear. And, and, and Baron Morton, like, do we have an update on that yet?
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B
I don't know. I didn't see anything before we came on. We should do that for the Monday because that's a big deal.
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A
It's a huge deal. I'll be honest. Like between soccer games and football practices and bonfires and everything, I really wasn't studying the Texas Tech.
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B
Yeah, no, I know.
- [71:08]
A
But, but, but Mitch Griffs came in and was 9 of 13 passing.
- [71:15]
B
He looked good.
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A
Which, which means that Baron Morton is not.
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B
Wasn't available. Right.
- [71:27]
A
I'm texting it in. This is great tv. I just want to know before we go off.
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B
Well, the Big 12 is still, I think, wide open, man. Or I should say still. I think it's now wide open. They're at Kansas State. They should win that game. The next week they host BYU though. That'll be. And that Texas Tech BYU game on November 8 is one to keep circled in terms of playoff.
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A
Yeah, I think they're playing it safe with Morton is what I'm seeing. But we've also seen this with a couple guys, including Lamar Jackson in the NFL where like, I don't trust it till I see it, you know? Yeah, I'm hoping it's, it's. Everything is reported. I'm hoping the reports are like, like, if he had to, we possibly could. But they're viewing this as a longer term thing. Oklahoma State, they know the, the situation that program's in right now. They didn't expect a close game. It Wasn't a close game, 42 to nothing. And it sounds like Baron Morton will be ready and probably my guess is, you know, moving forward, but you're one hit away from a guy who's, you know. Yeah, yeah. So yes, I agree with you. But until, until otherwise notified, they are absolutely in the top 12. So I like our list. Ohio State, Indiana A and M Bama, top four, Georgia, Ole Miss, Oregon, Georgia Tech rounding out the top eight. Then you got Miami and Vandy, 9 and 10, Notre Dame and Texas Tech, 11 and 12. Like I actually feel more strong about this and clarity than we have all year long.
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B
I agree, man.
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A
It's, it's it.
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B
We're starting to get some things sorted out.
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A
Anything else you want to squeeze in here?
- [73:21]
B
Watch out for those Bearcats, man. Cincinnati hasn't lost since losing by three to Nebraska.
- [73:27]
A
I feel like you've become like one of those like emotional, like a service dog for, for Jeff Lewis, my brother in law. The McShay family, via the Lewis family through the McShays is reaching out every week now because you, you seem to be this good luck charm for Jeff Lewis and the Bearcats. But I'm telling you what, I'm telling you what, they got talent. We talked about the NFL prospects. I think maybe on Monday we should do a little bit. Let's get people up to. We did it earlier in the season. Like there are dudes on this Cincinnati team and, and they kind of put it on bail. And I know Baylor's been reeling recently.
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B
Yeah.
- [74:07]
A
Sawyer Robert. They held Sawyer Robertson to 137 passing yards. Even in their worst moments, Baylor was still putting up 300 to 400 passing yards. And meanwhile this Brandon Sorsby guy. Yeah, he ain't polished. Yeah, he's got some footwork stuff to do. But he is a junior quarterback from denton, Texas who's 6 foot 3, 235 pounds that slings it. He's creative, he's got mobility and he seems to just be getting better and better as the season progresses, you know?
- [74:41]
B
Yeah. And he's on scouts radars. I, I think I told you that before that Nebraska game. A scout texted me and said, hey man, just keep an eye out on the swordsby guy.
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A
I love it.
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B
Yeah.
- [74:52]
A
So. Yeah. So I mean this. Yeah.
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B
Just.
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A
Since he's five and oh. In the Big 12.
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B
Yeah. Seven games in a row now. Seven. Seven games in a row they've won.
- [75:05]
A
And Baron, and Baron Morton we're talking about. Maybe you know, what's going on there. What do they Got left.
- [75:14]
B
Texas Tech.
- [75:15]
A
They're at. They're at Utah next week. That's why I text you earlier today. I was like, isn't it Utah? It's at Utah next week.
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B
Oh, you're talking about Cincinnati.
- [75:22]
A
Yeah, yeah, Cincinnati, then by Utah. Okay, so at Utah, Arizona, BYU at home and then at tc. So that if they. If they run it in the Big 12, they're going to earn it.
- [75:37]
B
Yeah.
- [75:38]
A
Because Utah's not what we thought in Utah, but it's still not a fun place to go play.
- [75:43]
B
Yeah, it's a tough place to go win. I'm not high in that Utah team right now, but still.
- [75:47]
A
No. And TCU's a scary opponent. Arizona's one in three in the Cup. Like. But yeah, I mean, they're going to beat Arizona. But, but. But I think, you know, there's. There's. That BYUTCU stretch at the end of the year is going to tell us everything we need to know. But I'm. I'm fired up about the Bearcats. And I know Jeff. Jeff Lewis and Megan McShay Lewis. I don't even think that's what she goes by. But my. My sister Megan, they're. They love you in that house in the Lewis house, just north of Cincinnati.
- [76:22]
B
Go Cats. Go Cats.
- [76:25]
A
Mencha Santa always trade back. Yeah. Mention is coming soon. We're doing a redraft. We gotta get. We gotta get Draft Santa going. It's been fun. I, you know, I apologize. It's not the normal setup. I wasn't able to run it the same way, but I felt. I felt like we had some good stuff. The chats. Listen, if we suck, you get on the chat. And they're always.
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C
They're.
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A
They're always out kicking their coverage, you know, so. So we appreciate. Always trade back as number two on the Jay. But we don't have. We always mention Haas and always trade back and how Evan, Holly and Marie. But I think it starts. It's time. And I gave him a little shout on. On X today. Jeremy Godden has become an absolute star of this thing.
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B
Yeah.
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A
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