Steven Rinella talks with Ken Burns and Dayton Duncan.

Topics discussed: When you’ve made more than three dozen renowned documentaries; Ken Burns’ college film ending with the pan across a painting; how The Civil War film consumed Americans; The Tenth Inning; Lewis & Clark, Jazz, Muhammad Ali and so many more; what do you want on your cheeseburger?; questioning the superiority of a species; The American Buffalo film, featuring Steve and former podcast guests Dan Flores and Michael Punk, premiers in October; watching the last buffalo herd disappear; word choice and the feeling of needing to explain the rationale behind a thought; George Horsecapture Jr.; what is the buffalo a symbol of in American history?; how nothing is binary; Quanah the warrior; how you should go watch all of Ken and Dayton's films; and more.

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