Ep. 675: MeatEater Radio Live! The Goosinator, Vintage Guns, and Movie Taxidermy

Summary

The MeatEater Podcast - Episode 675: MeatEater Radio Live! The Goosinator, Vintage Guns, and Movie Taxidermy

Release Date: March 14, 2025
Host: Steven Rinella (Spencer Newharth)
Guests: Aaron McElraith, Joel Collander, Pat Durkin, Randall Williams, Corey Calkins, Phil, and Clay Newcomb

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1. Managing Urban Geese with the Goosenator

Timestamp: 06:40 - 15:00

The episode kicks off with Spencer Newharth introducing the first guest segment featuring Aaron McElraith and Joel Collander, two employees from the City of Lethbridge, Alberta. They discuss the innovative solution they've implemented to manage the overpopulation of geese in Henderson Lake Park—the Goosenator.

Key Points:

• Problem Identification: Lethbridge faced challenges with resident geese causing conflicts with park visitors and damage to park turf due to excessive grazing and droppings.
• Solution Implementation: The city invested in the Goosenator, a bright orange, predator-like device designed to scare geese away through visual and auditory deterrence.
• Operational Insights: Joel explains, "It's meant to look like a predator... You're supposed to operate it like stalking the geese. Really slow movements and you're basically trying to herd them out" (11:11).
• Effectiveness: Demonstrations showcased the Goosenator in action, effectively causing geese to flee the area. The team emphasized the importance of repetitive use to ensure geese associate the device with a threat.
• Community Reception: The implementation has been positively received, with minimal complaints thanks to proactive communication with the public and authorities.

Notable Quote: Joel Collander on the Goosenator's impact: "The sound of the Goosenator itself is actually very terrifying to them... These are things that the geese don't like to see" (16:39).

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2. One Minute Fishing Challenge with Pat Durkin

Timestamp: 18:00 - 24:55

Next, the podcast features Pat Durkin, an American fishing legend, participating in the One Minute Fishing challenge. The premise involves Pat trying to catch a fish within one minute to secure a $500 donation to the Clearwater chapter of Trout Unlimited.

Key Points:

• Equipment Showcase: Pat introduces his 14-foot cedar strip rowboat, a labor of love built over two and a half years.
• Fishing Strategy: Pat details his approach, using a combination of crappie minnows and walleye slinks, aiming to target perch and walleyes in the Chippewa River.
• Challenge Outcome: Despite his experience, Pat doesn't catch a fish within the allotted time. The segment highlights the unpredictability of fishing and the importance of perseverance.

Notable Quote: Pat Durkin reflecting on his purpose: "I figured I'd better keep working a while... I don't want to quit now" (24:25).

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3. Price Is Right: MeatEater Edition

Timestamp: 33:00 - 47:00

Randall Williams, Corey Calkins, and Phil engage in a lively Price Is Right game, where they guess the prices of various MeatEater-themed products. The segment includes humorous interactions and competitive spirit as they strive to win points.

Highlights:

• Big Buck Hunter Reloaded Arcade Game: Randall guesses $5,699 (incorrect; actual price $6,495), and Corey guesses $601.
• Autographed Ted Nugent Book: Randall guesses $79.99 (incorrect; actual price lower).
• Taxidermied Whitetail Doe from Craigslist: Randall accurately guesses $4,500, securing his position as the trivia champion.

Notable Quote: Randall on his guess: "Coward, $5,699..." (37:31).

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4. Rock Island Auction: Vintage and Historic Firearms

Timestamp: 47:00 - 68:00

In the final interview segment, Joel Collander from Rock Island Auction joins the hosts to showcase some of the most sought-after firearms up for auction. Joel provides insights into the history and significance of each piece, appealing to collectors and enthusiasts alike.

Key Points:

• Historic Hand Cannons: Joel discusses the oldest guns available, dating back to the pre-1400s from Asia, highlighting their rudimentary design and historical value.
• Famous Firearms: The Han Solo's blaster from Star Wars Episode IV is revealed as one of the most coveted items, fetching over a million dollars and setting Guinness World Records.
• Hawken Rifles: Joel presents a quintessential American frontier rifle from the 1850s, estimating its value between $65,000 to $95,000. These rifles are iconic, associated with legendary figures like Jim Bridger and Kit Carson.
• Sharps Model 1874 Business Model: A rare buffalo hunting rifle from 1878, complete with original accessories, is showcased with an estimated value of $15,000 to $25,000.
• Winchester 18 Model 1873: An exclusive piece tied to the film Winchester '73, this firearm is one of only 1,000 produced for the movie, valued at approximately $300,000 to $325,000.

Notable Quote: Joel Collander on the Winchester 73's impact: "It's introducing people to the concept of rare and desirable firearms... launching this on a fairly unprecedented scale" (61:13).

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5. Listener Feedback and Trivia Discussion

Timestamp: 27:10 - 67:45

Throughout the episode, the hosts engage with listener feedback from the chat, addressing questions about trivia rules, hair products, range management careers, and shed hunting regulations.

Highlights:

• Trivia Rules: Discussion on handling misspelled answers, with Corey advocating for reasonable pronunciation standards.
• Range Management Careers: Encouragement for aspiring range managers, emphasizing the importance of the role in conservation and habitat protection.
• Shed Hunting Regulations: Debate on the necessity of purchasing tags for shed hunting in western states, with consensus supporting regulation to protect wildlife resources.

Notable Interaction: Phil shares a personal anecdote: "When I was too young to even remember this incident... a Canadian goose bit me on the foot and broke my toe" (17:24).

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6. Commercial Promotions

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7. Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 68:00 - End

The hosts wrap up the episode with final interactions, emphasizing upcoming segments and future episodes. They encourage listeners to participate in the trivia challenges and stay engaged with the MeatEater community.

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Conclusion

Episode 675 of The MeatEater Podcast delivers a dynamic mix of wildlife management solutions, competitive fishing challenges, engaging trivia games, and in-depth discussions on historic firearms. Through expert interviews and interactive segments, host Spencer Newharth and his team provide valuable insights and entertaining content for outdoor enthusiasts and conservation advocates alike.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Joel Collander: "It's meant to look like a predator... You're supposed to operate it like stalking the geese. Really slow movements and you're basically trying to herd them out" (11:11).
• Pat Durkin: "I figured I'd better keep working a while... I don't want to quit now" (24:25).
• Randall Williams: "Coward, $5,699..." (37:31).
• Joel Collander: "It's introducing people to the concept of rare and desirable firearms... launching this on a fairly unprecedented scale" (61:13).

Transcript

[Spencer Newharth]

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[Corey Calkins]

Smell us now lady.

[Randall Williams]

Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia Meat Eater.

[Phil]

Podcast.

[Randall Williams]

Welcome to Meat Eater radio live. It's 11am Mountain Time. That's 10am for our friends in Depot Bay, Oregon on Thursday, March 13th. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host Spencer Newharth, joined today by Corey Calkins and Randall Williams. On today's show, we'll talk to Aaron McElraith about how an Alberta city hazes geese. Then we'll do one minute fishing with American hero Pat Durkin. After that we'll play the Price Is Right. And finally, we'll talk to Joel Collander about some rare guns from the Rock island auction. Randall, I was jealous last week that you came up with a new bit of shouting out a time zone. What'd you do? Last week, Hungry, Hungry, our friend Mogor. So I was inspired by that. Plus my favorite radio station. Growing up as a kid, kicking country would have a South Dakota town of the day. So now I want to shout out little towns or places that I really like and yeah, just give them a little nod today. Depot Bay, Oregon. I've been there twice. It's the whale watching capital of Oregon. And the one time I saw some whales right from their dang main street. Real fun.

[Phil]

Fascinating.

[Randall Williams]

Phil, do you ever. You're, like, from that part of the world?

[Corey Calkins]

Yeah. You know, my family used to go to Depot Bay every summer, and we would stay at the Surfrider Inn just north of Depot Bay. The most violently ill I've ever been was on a whale watching tour that went out of Depot Bay. Also, fun fact, not to kill a Mockingbird.

[Phil]

What's the My side of the mountain?

[Corey Calkins]

No, the mental institution.

[Phil]

Oh, one float.

[Corey Calkins]

Yeah, I'm getting my birds mixed up.

[Phil]

I thought you were talking about coming of age when they go out on.

[Corey Calkins]

A boat on the ocean that was shot in Depot Bay.

[Aaron McElraith]

Oh, really?

[Randall Williams]

World's smallest navigable harbor. I think they. I think so themselves. Shout out Depot Bay. Love your little town you got there, Corey. Randall. What you boys been up to lately?

[Aaron McElraith]

Oh, man, not much.

[Phil]

Well, you know, I don't want to. I don't want to insert myself here, but it's been a good week for Randall.

[Corey Calkins]

Yeah, it has.

[Randall Williams]

Okay. Yeah. Now we can acknowledge there's an elephant.

[Phil]

In the room here.

[Randall Williams]

2024, meat eater, trivia champion.

[Phil]

And I see the support in the chat. I love it. We'll be working on that Randomal shirt. It might be like a 20, 28, 29 project.

[Corey Calkins]

Dylan's asking for some clarification. Is it Randomles with an I or Randomles with an A? And I've got a second point of clarification. Is it randomals? That's a little. That's kind of a mouth to me. It makes more sense.

[Phil]

I envisioned Randimals with an I like Rand animals. It should have been the Rand animal.

[Aaron McElraith]

Rand animal.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, next time you win. Cory, what you been up to lately? Besides, you know, patting Randall on the back over here for winning the.

[Aaron McElraith]

Well, yeah. Congrats, buddy. Well deserved. You know, we just wrapped up a couple of days with Taylor and Will from Bussin with the boys. You guys have ever heard of them?

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, I've seen those tall fellers walking around. Yeah, they are tall.

[Phil]

Will's not that tall, is he?

[Randall Williams]

I mean, the regular folks in the Mediator office.

[Phil]

Yeah, I guess it's just that he hangs out.

[Randall Williams]

How tall are you, Randall?

[Phil]

I call myself Six Two, but posture wise, probably Five'Eleven okay.

[Aaron McElraith]

Hunched.

[Phil]

But when you say you're £250, Five'Eleven it gives off a very different impression. So I go with six'two yeah.

[Randall Williams]

So you showing those boys around Montana while they're here?

[Aaron McElraith]

Well, a little bit, yeah. We had them out at the gun range getting prepped and ready for a coyote hunt. They went out with Steve. Was that yesterday morning?

[Randall Williams]

Okay.

[Aaron McElraith]

Was quite a whirlwind while they were here. Oh, here's some good shots. When they went coyote hunting and beaver trapping with Steve yesterday, very successful on the beavers. They killed a pile of muskrats as well while they were out there.

[Randall Williams]

I can smell it in the office. Yes. Soon as I walked in, I tried.

[Aaron McElraith]

Spraying the poo pourri scent helper in here. It didn't really do it, but, yeah, there's a good photo of Cal there showing them the works on some Sig rifles. There's Steve. Flesh and a beaver looks like, but yeah, showed those guys a great time. They got to get their hands dirty. Didn't kill any coyotes. I heard shots were fired, but no dogs were harmed in the making of this fun time we had. But Steve will be on their podcast next week, so listen for that. And then there'll be some fun video content following that. Not sure when, but in the near future. So keep an eye out for that.

[Randall Williams]

If you want more content with Steven Meat Eater. The Boston channel is going to have that soon.

[Phil]

Yep.

[Randall Williams]

All right, let's go to our first interview. Joining us on the line now are two employees from the city of Lethbridge, Alberta, who have a unique way of keeping geese off their lakes. Aaron and Nelson, welcome to the show.

[Nelson]

Hi. Thanks for having us.

[Joel Collander]

Yeah, thanks for having us.

[Randall Williams]

First thing, tell us where you're standing right now.

[Nelson]

Okay. We are at the beautiful Henderson Lake. It's one of our premier parks in Lethbridge. It's one of my favorites because I've had the opportunity to work here for many years. It has walking paths throughout the whole park and this beautiful body of water. Historically, there's been a dance hall, and basically it's a hub of activity winter and summer in Lethbridge.

[Randall Williams]

All right, now tell us about the goose problem that your city parks have.

[Nelson]

Okay, so we have some resident geese that have decided they love living in Lethbridge. They don't want to fly south like the rest of their friends do. So the goose problems are basically, we want to make sure that we keep our waterfowl safe, and so we'd like them to keep moving on. We want to keep people safe who use the parks. There can be human goose conflict as well as with people's pets. So we don't want that to happen. We also want to make sure that we reduce the fecal matter in the park. Park. So one goose can poop up to £2 in a day. That's a lot of poop.

[Phil]

My goodness.

[Nelson]

We have kids in the park and lots of activity, so we want to try to keep our pathways clean and free of that poo and then just making sure that we protect our assets and our turf. So when geese feed, they can pull the roots of the grass out, and that can cause long term damage with our turf. So, yeah, it's a multifaceted issue.

[Randall Williams]

And in the past, what did you guys try to keep these geese off your lakes and parks?

[Nelson]

Well, at one point in time, we had employees go out with a dog. They went out to try to deter the geese from being in the park, but then it would just make the geese go on to the lake, and we couldn't do anything about that. We've done some egg management with a damage dangerous permit, which is a federal permit, and we really like, we've communicated a lot with the federal government under the juice management plan and just trying to make really good decisions about how to manage the population. But it's really tough because basically they have a really perfect environment to live here. It's safe. There's really no predators here. And water, there's an island. So it's really tough to manage the here.

[Randall Williams]

And that brings us to why we're talking to you today. Tell us about how you decided to try to solve that problem this year.

[Nelson]

Well, I've wanted the Gustinator for a really long time. I kind of was researching best management practices and this came up as a hazing device. So just trying to make the area less popular for the geese. And when I saw this working, I was just amazed by the fact that it could work on the grass on ice as well as in the water. So when we got the go ahead to purchase it, we decided that we should get Nelson, who's now in charge of the goose management program, to get good at operating it. I kind of missed my chance to be the operator by a year or two.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. So we are looking at photos right now of what is called the gooseinator. It is a large, bright orange styrofoam like an RC car looking thing with a couple of, couple of tracks underneath it. And it's got big eyes and big mean teeth on it.

[Aaron McElraith]

Terrifying.

[Randall Williams]

That's what they're telling us about is the gooseinator. How much did the Goosen 8R cost?

[Nelson]

It was around $4,000.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, $4,000. All right. I want to talk to Nelson for a bit. Nelson is the one who operates the goose. Nader Nelson, what's it like to drive that thing?

[Joel Collander]

It's fairly easy. I got the remote right here. It's just like any normal trigger operated remote control. It slides a lot better on the ice in the water than it is on land. It actually has some wheels that you can attach to it while you're using it on land. But primarily we've been using it on the water in the ice.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, and what's, what's your strategy for scaring away the geese with the goosenator? Do you drive it like right into the flock?

[Joel Collander]

No, actually that's part of like learning how to use it. And especially with a lot of communication from the manufacturer and the designer about how to use it properly. It's meant to look like a predator. So you're supposed to operate it like stalking the geese. Really slow movements and you're basically trying to herd them out. The more that fly away at once, the better of them not coming back.

[Randall Williams]

And how did the geese.

[Joel Collander]

Repetitive usage of it is key too. So using it all the time to the point where they recognize the truck and it coming out of the truck, they start getting a little frantic when I show up.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, so the reaction the geese have, they just want to leave when they see that thing.

[Joel Collander]

Yes. It's meant to look like a predator and act as a predator. It's meant to make them feel like the area is unsafe.

[Randall Williams]

And how do people react to seeing you use the Goosenator? Like, have the cops been called on you yet?

[Joel Collander]

No, at first, like we, I think we did a good job with preparing the public of its use, especially with, like Aaron said, communication with the federal government. It's in our goose management program. Even before we had bought it, we had started talking about using one and just being prepared for the feedback that we're going to get on it really helped out. And while I've been using it, there's a lot of people that come here to look at the birds and stuff like that. So they're quite knowledgeable about why we're using it. And just being able to talk to them about it has helped out immensely. And for the most Part the feedback's been pretty good, like very positive. A lot more than I anticipated actually. But yeah, we haven't really had any complaints from local cops. The federal permitting officer did get some emails and calls and. But he already knew about us using it because we've gone through the proper.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, big question then. Can we see the gooseinator in action?

[Joel Collander]

Yeah, you can. I got it right behind me on the truck here. I'll plug the battery in and obviously there's no ice here anymore, but there is an island behind me that they tend to nest at. So I'll just cruise by the island and that's what we'll be using it for in the spring until they actually start nesting with eggs and molting and stuff like that. Then we can't use it. We'll pull the usage of it, but we'll be using it to try and keep them from nesting on this island.

[Randall Williams]

Perfect. Let's see that thing in action. Now. Nelson has kept it hidden in the back of his truck because he said usually like seeing his pickup is enough. But seeing the goose inator especially will get the geese to start to lift off. He is grabbing the giant RC boat. That thing is. Is quite enormous. And he is now taking it to the water. We could hear the geese the entire interview. So I'm optimistic that Nelson's gonna put on a show for us here.

[Stephen Rinella]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Look at that thing.

[Aaron McElraith]

That's straight up nightmare fuel. If you were a goose.

[Randall Williams]

Yes.

[Phil]

It's running. It's. It's got a prop on the front.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Understandably you would.

[Randall Williams]

Wow. Okay, here he goes. And the geese are leaving already over.

[Phil]

Look at the ones in the background flying.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. So you can see this happening on our YouTube channel. The geese have taken off. At this point. Nelson's only got The Goosenator about 20 yards from shore. Smooth operator we've got here.

[Phil]

That's unbelievable.

[Aaron McElraith]

Need some jaws theme music going.

[Phil]

There they go there you got a couple from the island itself.

[Randall Williams]

The cool thing about the goosenader is it can drive on ice, land and water. This thing is like even more amphibious than amphibian vehicles because it can also go on the ice.

[Phil]

It's got a couple stragglers there.

[Randall Williams]

Uh huh.

[Phil]

Oh, I love this.

[Aaron McElraith]

Couple stubborn geese.

[Randall Williams]

And the. The person who makes the goosenator that it looks like now a lot of cities and golf courses use. They wanted this thing to look very offensive so they might have made it bright orange. Cameraman, can we punch in on the goosenator a little bit? Is that. Is that an opt option for us. We'd love to see these geese.

[Corey Calkins]

I don't know. I'm gonna speak for him. I don't know if you can pinch zoom on the streamyard app here. If not, that's okay.

[Randall Williams]

All right.

[Phil]

It's still thrilling even at this distance.

[Stephen Rinella]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

You can't see it that you can see that goosenator from a long ways away. Picking up speed.

[Phil]

Yeah. Oh, it's got some zoom to it.

[Corey Calkins]

That's great.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Here it comes. This is the goose's perspective here as it circles in.

[Randall Williams]

Nelson, tell us a little more about what the geese are doing right now. We can't quite see too far off in the distance as to what's happening.

[Joel Collander]

So basically everything on this side of it, all the geese have left the island. Like even the sound of the goosenator. Like, we can't. We hear a different pitch than the geese actually do. And the sound of the goosenator itself is actually very terrifying to them. Like few different colors. They actually see more colors than us too. And the whole design of it is meant their characteristics. Like geestus. Like on the website it quotes. Cornell University did this study the characteristics and traits that geese dislike. And that's basically what he based the design off of the big teeth, the eyes, the slick back ears, the color orange, and the reflective color itself. These are all things that the geese don't like to see.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, that's enough to scare me off too. Can we see that thing at top speed? Nelson, can you ramp it up for us?

[Corey Calkins]

Give her a rip.

[Joel Collander]

Yeah, I'll go out and then I'll bring it back.

[Randall Williams]

Okay.

[Joel Collander]

Because like the whole. Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, my goodness.

[Phil]

It's rooster tailing.

[Randall Williams]

Very impressive. Oh, yeah. Wow. What a beast. Geese, you are not welcome in the city of Lethbridge. All right, that was. That was a real treat. Aaron and Nelson, thanks for joining us and good luck. Good luck with the goose hazing program. We're cheering for you guys.

[Phil]

Thank you.

[Pat Durkin]

Awesome.

[Joel Collander]

Thanks for having us.

[Randall Williams]

Thank you.

[Phil]

Fun little fact about Randall.

[Randall Williams]

Okay.

[Phil]

Which makes me a real advocate for their cause. When I was too young to even remember this incident, I was at, I believe at the national zoo in Washington D.C. okay. I've been told. And a Canadian goose bit me on the foot and broke my toe.

[Randall Williams]

Broke your toe?

[Phil]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

You think the goose broke your toe or like, did you.

[Phil]

Little baby. Little baby toes, Spencer. Like I said, they're tiny. That's what I'm told.

[Randall Williams]

Okay. By who?

[Phil]

My parents. It's a. It maybe explains some of my idiosyncrasies. Around birds. If I, if I get into the dark recesses of my mind.

[Randall Williams]

They needed a goose inator.

[Phil]

I know, I know. So I appreciate they're trying to avoid goose public conflict.

[Randall Williams]

All right, moving on. Our next segment is One Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky?

[Aaron McElraith]

Well, do you, punk?

[Randall Williams]

Go ahead, make my cast. One Minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a 500 donation to a conservation group this week. Our angler is American legend and One Minute Fishing legend Pat Durkin in Wisconsin, and he's fishing for a donation to the Clearwater chapter of Trout Unlimited. Pat, welcome to the show.

[Pat Durkin]

Hey, Spencer, thanks for having me on.

[Randall Williams]

Pat was very motivated to make this work for us today. He was scouting some fishing spots earlier this week and if the weather had been a little colder, he'd be standing on ice right now. But instead it's warmed up and he's, he's sitting in a boat. Pat, tell, tell us about the boat that you're in, Pat.

[Pat Durkin]

This is my, it's a 14 foot, 3 inch cedar strip row boat I built. I launched it 19 years ago in June. It took me about two and a half years to build and it's been my pride and joy ever since. And as, as I've written about in my newspaper, Kyle Spencer, I always advise young men, if you want to meet women, this is what they need is.

[Randall Williams]

Is a, is a boat, a rowboat.

[Pat Durkin]

That cedar strip rowboat. Not just any boat. You got to have a cedar stripper.

[Aaron McElraith]

Oh.

[Pat Durkin]

Because I pulled this boat into a gas station, into a fast food restaurant, whatever it is, and women always walk over and talk to me. It's just really a chick magnet.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, what about men? Do they show interest in the boat as well? Say, say you're, you're female seeking male companionship. Would it do the same thing?

[Pat Durkin]

That's, that's a great question. The distinction I've noticed is that it's, it primarily attracts old guys.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Pat Durkin]

So, so my wife likes it because when I leave here at the pier to hold on the boat while I go get the truck, all the old guys come over and they gives them the pretense of talking to her. So, but it's not, it's really, I, I, I built it for muskie road trolling and then I found that I'm not really much much of a muskie fisherman because, you know, it's the guilt trip. You, if you eat One. So I pretty much be turned into a pan fishing machine.

[Randall Williams]

Beautiful.

[Pat Durkin]

Cool.

[Randall Williams]

Now, this is the maiden voyage of your boat in 2025, correct?

[Pat Durkin]

Correct. Correct.

[Corey Calkins]

Yeah, I.

[Stephen Rinella]

This.

[Pat Durkin]

It's first time on the water this year.

[Randall Williams]

Okay. And how's the fishing been today so far?

[Pat Durkin]

It's been. Been pretty. You know, I'm blaming Mother Nature because like you said in the intro, I wanted to be up on. On Lake Altoona, which is north of me a little ways, where the perch were biting just on Sunday for me. And I was all gassed up about, you know, keeping my string intact for two straight appearances, you know, on one minute fishing and catching a fish. And then it's gotten so warm since then, I didn't want to hazard, take the risk of going out there and punching through and dying prematurely, you know.

[Phil]

So, Pat, this is like Major League baseball. If you're batting.500, you're. You're ahead of the game, so don't worry about that.

[Corey Calkins]

Those are hall of Fame numbers.

[Pat Durkin]

Thank you, Randall.

[Phil]

Yes, sir.

[Randall Williams]

All right, Pat, so what are we. What are we fishing for today?

[Pat Durkin]

Okay, well, the goal was to come out here. I'm a little bit early for the river, but usually this is a good section of river I'm on for. For perch. When they start spawning in usually mid to late March, they'll be pretty thick in this river, the Chippewa river that I'm on. And also, you'll catch walleyes in here. And some guys. It's really a good fishery for smallmouth bass, but I primarily come here for. For perch and walleye, so. Okay, I'm trying it, and I. I have some guys down there for me a little ways. They pulled a couple of fish in, but I can't quite figure out what they're fishing for.

[Randall Williams]

And it looks like you're jigging this afternoon. Correct.

[Pat Durkin]

I. I've got. I got one light. This is Wisconsin, so everyone who's gonna play the game warden on me, you can. You can use three lines in Wisconsin. So I got one out with a crappie, minnow, birch minnow on. I got one with a bigger walleye. Shine around. And I'm casting a little. Little crankbait, a little Rapala. So that's I figured I'd use for. For my one minute attempt here.

[Randall Williams]

Okay. Everything but the kitchen sink, Pat is using today. All right, Pat, your one minute of fishing starts as soon as you make that first cast.

[Pat Durkin]

All right, Here we go.

[Corey Calkins]

Get them, Pat.

[Pat Durkin]

I'm casting out into. Casting out into the stronger current and Bringing it back along Lowell where it's a little more protected water.

[Randall Williams]

Okay.

[Pat Durkin]

And this, this particular X rap I.

[Corey Calkins]

Think it is, I give it a.

[Pat Durkin]

Little twitch every now and then. And I caught everything from big crop, used a big perch on, but mainly walleyes.

[Randall Williams]

Well, you are 25 seconds into your one minute. Is, is this the same rod that you used in Idaho to be the first successful angler of One Minute Fishing?

[Stephen Rinella]

Right?

[Pat Durkin]

It is, it is. That's why, that's why it's in my, in my hand right now.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, you got 20 seconds to go.

[Aaron McElraith]

Got some good mojo with that rod.

[Phil]

All the suspense is killing me.

[Corey Calkins]

I know we had, we had great video with Pat Ripene before he started he cast and now it's a little, little spotty.

[Pat Durkin]

Oh, is it really? It's gotten bad.

[Randall Williams]

Five seconds, Pat.

[Aaron McElraith]

Okay, crank it.

[Randall Williams]

Well, it did not happen today for Pat. But you know what they say, Pat, A bad day of fishing is better than a good day of being a freelance writer in Wisconsin. Isn't that right?

[Pat Durkin]

Well, that's my purpose, though. I, you know, I heard this morning, Spencer, that, you know, I'm Almost, I'll be 70 years old in January. And I heard this morning that Andy Rooney In a great 60 Minutes commentator and journalist, he lived into his late 80s, early 90s, and he, he lost his job and a week later he died. Basically lost his purpose and he was gone. So I, I figured I'd better keep working a while.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, don't quit right now.

[Phil]

Keep those fingers spry, Pat.

[Pat Durkin]

Right.

[Randall Williams]

A beautiful boat though that he's sitting in. I think we'll see that boat again on One Minute Fishing. Thanks for joining us, Pat.

[Phil]

Have a good day, Pat. Thank you.

[Aaron McElraith]

Take care, Pat. You guys sounded like he needed that gooseinator back there. You know, fish don't like waterfowl over the top of them.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. Moving today, boys, we have our third guest coming up later. He's going to talk to us about some rare guns from the Rock island auction. If we hear geese in his background, we really got problems at that point.

[Aaron McElraith]

Yeah, that'd be weird.

[Spencer Newharth]

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[Clay Newcomb]

They're coming out with what they call the prime cuts, turkey diaphragm calls. And one of them is called the clay Newcomb prime cut. And I'm not just going to talk about it. I'm going to, I'm going to blow on it here.

[Stephen Rinella]

Foreign.

[Clay Newcomb]

I'm a simple turkey hunter who likes a simple system. I usually carry one, maybe two diaphragm calls in a single pot call every year. Don't even carry a box call. I wanted a versatile diaphragm call that was the best of two worlds. I wanted loud and raspy, a call that I could cut on, but also one that was soft and subtle that I could purr. Kiki run on. I love to make those raspy cuts and the soft, subtle purrs on the same call. And I find many of them. I can't do both. And this call that I worked with Jason Phelps to build simplifies my turkey kit. These prime cuts come in a three pack. There's the clay nukem call, but also Steve Rinella and Jason Phelps favorite turkey diaphragm cuts. You can check all these out along with all the other meat eater and Phelps turkey [e-mail] all right, Phil, let's.

[Randall Williams]

Take a break for some listener feedback. What's the chat have to say?

[Corey Calkins]

Yeah, just a reminder, if you guys have questions for the crew, go ahead and submit them now. We'll hit them in the next few minutes and at the very end of the show. So anything for Corey Randall or Spencer. But first off, some behind the scenes questions from Brady. He asks was trivia, Was the trivia tournament actually filmed in multiple segments or in one sitting?

[Randall Williams]

So the, the trivia tournament, it was three episodes. We filmed two of those episodes in one day back to back. So we knocked those episodes out in about a two hour window. And then one week later, we filmed episode three. So there you go, Brady. That's. That's your behind the scenes look. We tried to record it in 2024 because it's the 2024 championship, but Steve's schedule with filming his History Channel show just didn't really allow that. So we had to wait until now. And then I think this summer we're going to have a jabroni tournament coming for all those folks who didn't qualify for the big leagues.

[Phil]

And I would like to apologize. I saw someone in the chat, hadn't listened to the final episode yet. So we should have maybe added a spoiler alert. Although if you were paying attention to scoreboard at the end of episode two.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, let's say this, there is something fun that happens in that episode anyway, so you should go listen to this. We have some very competitive scores that happen. What else you got, Phil?

[Corey Calkins]

Well, on that note, we're getting a lot of requests for a honkin for a bonkin X ran random T shirt. Our two most requested T shirts recently. So I don't know how my face.

[Phil]

On the goose though.

[Corey Calkins]

Your face on a goose Maybe being chased by a gooseinator as well.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, a broken toe.

[Corey Calkins]

Throw it all in the kitchen.

[Phil]

Explain my origin story will be captured in the art I like.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, that reminds me, Lane. We had somebody write into meat eater trivia saying that they and their buddy have a competition and the loser of their year long tournament, a meat eater trivia has to get a tattoo of our choosing. I think we offered a few suggestions and then a lot of people wrote in afterwards saying we missed the obvious one of getting the tattoo of honkin for a bonkin that appeared on a previous episode of Meat Eater radio for a tattoo that someone ended up regretting. But I think, I think they gave that person words of encouragement.

[Phil]

They should, I hope, I hope they no longer regret that tattoo.

[Randall Williams]

It's a good tattoo. So if that person is listening right now who lost their trivia championship with their buddy, they ought to get the honking for a bonking goose tattoo.

[Corey Calkins]

To piggyback on some more trivia stuff, John has a comment. He says in regards to the dermifted incident, I think incorrectly spelled answers and trivia should only be counted as correct if they can be reasonably pronounced correctly. And I, I agree with John, which is why I was against Steve getting.

[Phil]

John articulated it rather clearly here. In the back of my mind, I had some sort of animal instinct to reject Steve's answer, but John really hit the nail on the head.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, here's the deal, John. It's. It's very hard for seven people to argue with their boss about who's right and who's wrong. So sometimes we just lose that argument in that case. And that that means that in other cases, Randall doesn't get credit for putting crystalis instead of chrysalis even though, you know, the logic should have been applied there as well. So sorry, apologize to you, Randall, for months ago when, when you gave that answer.

[Phil]

Yeah. And did you go back and look at whether that would have affected the outcome of that game? I Believe I would have tied it.

[Randall Williams]

I don't think I'm going to anything else.

[Corey Calkins]

Phil, Aaron, we got turkey season coming up. Aaron says. He says I turkey hunt solo a lot. How do y'all usually spend the back half of your day in a hunt till noon state?

[Randall Williams]

Well, Aaron, my great flaw with turkey hunting and with shed hunting is that it always devolves into two other things, and that is mushroom hunting or rock hunting. So, Aaron, keep your eyes on the ground. Look for cool rocks. Look for mushrooms that are. If you hunt in a. If you're in a hunt till noon state. I feel like those are mostly in the South. Is it like Kentucky or Tennessee, someone to write in? I'm sure you've probably got mushrooms popping up here very soon, so get yourself educated on what edible mushrooms you can eat and then go look for those things. How about you boys? Any, any suggestions for what Aaron should do after the turkey hunting season ends for him at noon o'clock each day?

[Aaron McElraith]

Man, around here we're hunting turkeys from sun up till sundown. So I'm trying to think, put myself in your shoes. I'd probably go fishing.

[Phil]

Or if you're in a state that has an open black bear season, you can cruise the roads, do a little glassing up high, look for Bruin.

[Randall Williams]

Or take a nap.

[Phil]

Or take a nap.

[Randall Williams]

Take a nice afternoon nap.

[Aaron McElraith]

Yep, apps are good.

[Corey Calkins]

Lance suggested putting a GoPro on the Gooseinator. That's a great idea. And also our guy Mogur, apparently daylight savings works differently in Hungary. He missed the beginning of the show, but we're glad you're here, Mogor. I was honestly, when the timer was happening, I was looking in the chat because usually our guy's in there saying hi and he wasn't in there. And I'm glad to see that he didn't miss the beginning.

[Phil]

Yeah, I hope I didn't screw up my hungry time last week when I announced it. That would be embarrassing.

[Randall Williams]

Mogor, you're gonna have to go back and listen because we talked about you again this week and how Randall's shout out to your time zone is going to inspire a new little bit for me at least. I don't know about the other hosts.

[Corey Calkins]

We'll do one more fluffy one, but we'll hit more of these at the end of the show, so keep the questions coming in. Question for Phil. What are the odds you implement your harmonica into one of the jingles? Pretty low because the jingles are usually just rip off parodies of pop songs and stuff. But I Did play harmonica for the theme song I wrote for the Meat Eater K podcast. So if you want some more harmonica action.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, you need to just do like some piano man that has a strong harmonica in it. Anything with Blues Travelers has a lot of harmonica.

[Corey Calkins]

Oh yeah. I'm just as good as that guy too.

[Phil]

John Popper.

[Corey Calkins]

John Popper. He's got his bandoliers of harmonica.

[Phil]

The hook always brings me back.

[Randall Williams]

I'm with you. I think Gen Z just discovered the Blues Travelers.

[Corey Calkins]

Is that a thing? Like is he big on TikTok now or something?

[Phil]

I gotta say, it's just Blues Travelers.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, Blues Traveler.

[Aaron McElraith]

Well, there's more than one of them.

[Randall Williams]

So anyway, Gen Z has just discovered them. The specific clip of him doing the. Is it the. The harmonica solo in Hook that is quite popular right now. Wow. People are thrilled.

[Corey Calkins]

That's great.

[Randall Williams]

Exists.

[Corey Calkins]

Good for him.

[Randall Williams]

All right, moving on. Our next segment is the Price is Right.

[Corey Calkins]

Let's move over to my thing here. Sorry, Spencer. Here it comes. From Bozeman, Montana, Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's the Price is Right.

[Randall Williams]

Yes.

[Phil]

Wow.

[Corey Calkins]

Corey Calkins, come on now. Hey, Randall Williams, come on down. You're the next two contestants on Meteor Radios. The Price is Right. Now here's your host, Spencer Newhall. Thank you, Phil.

[Randall Williams]

Thank you. Corey's third appearance on Price is Right. And Randall first appearance here. Alright, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater universe and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout out from Phil. Alright, there are three products for today's show. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid.

[Corey Calkins]

How about we start today's show by giving you your very own big Buck Hunter Reloaded arcade game. Do you want to live like a bachelor? Do you love slugging beers and shooting deers? Is your name Randall Williams? Well, we've got just the thing for you. The big Buck Hunter Reloaded Arcade game comes with a 42 inch monitor and two toy rifles. And if you get tired of gunning down booner whitetails, just turn on one of the other seven thrilling games such as the Walking Dead, Duck Dynasty or Terminator Salvation.

[Randall Williams]

There's also 33 mini games and 11 huntable animals, including a zombie deer mission called Dough of the Dead. All right, Randall and Corey, what does that bar worthy arcade game cost.

[Aaron McElraith]

Sorry, is this used or is this new?

[Randall Williams]

This is brand new. I'm not going to tell you the website, but this, this, this is a brand new big Buck Hunter reloaded arcade game. Phil is showing us a few screenshots from the game as well as that arcade game itself without going over. Randall. Phil, describe the graphics you're looking at here.

[Corey Calkins]

Oh, sure, yeah. For the audio listeners, we've got some deer with some real thick antlers frolicking around a farmhouse here, but they are completely eaten up by some sort of zombie parasite. They've got some green slime all over their rib cage. You know, their. Their jaws are torn apart. You know, picture a zombie deer. That's what we're looking at here. So that's one of the.

[Randall Williams]

Why, why are arcade game graphics always like 15 years behind the rest of video game graphics? If you showed me this screenshot, which you can see on our YouTube channel, I'd be like, yeah, that's from 2004.

[Corey Calkins]

Well, arcade games need to. They're in a cabinet that needs. That is hot. It needs to be running, you know, not 24 7, but in some cases. Yeah, 24 7. So they can't use too intensive CPUs or graphics cards that would. So they. They're a little bit behind the times, but that keeps. Keeps them running for. For longer.

[Randall Williams]

Sure. So a 42 inch monitor. It has two rifles, seven thrilling games, 33 mini games, 11 huntable animals. This isn't your dad's big Buck Hunter arcade game.

[Aaron McElraith]

God, I want one so bad in my house.

[Phil]

Yeah, well, they make a mini one now, which is what I do. Yeah. So you can.

[Randall Williams]

This isn't that.

[Phil]

My buddy's got one in his basement. That one is actually quite affordable.

[Randall Williams]

Okay. This, this one, though.

[Phil]

Shoot. Like the real thing.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. This is one you'd see in your favorite bar.

[Phil]

Sydney and I used to go play Buck Hunter on our anniversary every year.

[Randall Williams]

Wow. And you quit doing that.

[Phil]

They sold that Buck Hunter machine.

[Randall Williams]

Okay. I bet we could find another one.

[Phil]

Just go to the bar where we met in Missoula and play it.

[Randall Williams]

Wow.

[Phil]

There's also a great Buck Hunter machine. There used to be one of the cannery. There's a great one at a Laundromat in. In Whitefish.

[Randall Williams]

Wow.

[Phil]

Yeah, I used to play that when we were up in Whitefish. It's. It's really part of our journey, my wife and I. It's part of our story.

[Randall Williams]

Great. Do both of you have an answer?

[Phil]

I do.

[Randall Williams]

Of the Big Buck Hunter Reloaded arcade game. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Randall saying, Coward, $5,699. And we have Corey going low. He says $601.

[Aaron McElraith]

Hate the player, not the game.

[Phil]

Coward.

[Randall Williams]

The correct answer is $6,495. Giving Randall the first point. He was only 900 off the correct answer.

[Corey Calkins]

We had. We had Big Doe in the chat. Guess who guessed 6400? Wow, very close.

[Randall Williams]

Hell, yeah. Big Doe.

[Phil]

Golly.

[Randall Williams]

Now the. The mini one that Randall is saying his buddy has, that one's like 600. Maybe you were.

[Phil]

You were right on more.

[Randall Williams]

They sell that one at, like, Best Buy, Walmart, Amazon. Yeah, this. This was the real deal. Way off. All right, Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid.

[Corey Calkins]

Well, if you like shooting thousands of virtual deer, then you'd probably love an autographed copy of Ted Nugent's book, God, Guns and Rock and Roll. The whack master himself signed hundreds of items that he's selling on his website. Besides his memoir, there's also autographed cookbooks, posters, and hats, including a chic camo cap that says, elect that mother effer again. Ted calls it the super Gonzo. Sorry, hold on. Ted calls it, quote, because that's important. The super gonzo Mojo, Voodoo, America, freedom, battlecry hat of all time. But, hey, feel free to choose your own nonsensical string of nouns, verbs, and adjectives.

[Randall Williams]

Well, I know what I'm getting Phil for Christmas this year. All right, Randall and Corey, what does that autograph book from Terrible Ted cost? This is straight from his website. He has, I think, four books for sale that have his name on them.

[Phil]

Yeah, that's the only one. I've read this, you know.

[Randall Williams]

You're kidding.

[Phil]

I read that. Yeah. I read that in high school.

[Randall Williams]

You did?

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

You made it one of the New York Times bestsellers, which. It has that stamp.

[Phil]

Oh, I think it was long out by the time I read it.

[Randall Williams]

Give us a review of God, Guns and Rock and Roll.

[Phil]

I don't remember much about it, I'll be honest with you, but I did own that. I remember sitting that on the. That's sitting on my bookshelf.

[Randall Williams]

It's a pretty book. Pretty looking book. And he sells hundreds of things on his website that are autographed by him.

[Phil]

Yeah, I just. I mean, my gut tells me that he values his own signature rather highly.

[Aaron McElraith]

I know. That's what I'm worried about, too.

[Phil]

But it's also a book.

[Randall Williams]

It is a book, but it's signed by the wackmaster himself.

[Phil]

Can we get a pub date on that, Phil?

[Corey Calkins]

Unfortunately, I don't have that in my.

[Randall Williams]

Script, but maybe Spencer could we could look that up. Yeah, sorry.

[Phil]

You're juggling too many things.

[Randall Williams]

Back to item one, though. The $6,495 that was from Hangout haven.com. and if you want to make it online compatible, you'll need to fork over another $40 per month. Yeah, I figured there's people across the globe in Big Buck Hunter. Wow. But we're on it.

[Corey Calkins]

Looks like you've got August 14, 2001 for that publication.

[Phil]

Yeah. So I could have read that in high school. Maybe I was one of the ones that. One of the individuals that put in the best sellers.

[Randall Williams]

I'm surprised to hear that. That book looks like a post 911 book. Not a pre 9 11.

[Corey Calkins]

I know.

[Randall Williams]

He was three weeks.

[Phil]

I don't think Ted's changed his tune much. Well, I guess, like since he, you know, dodged the draft by his pants, but.

[Aaron McElraith]

All right.

[Randall Williams]

You boys got an answer for the cost of that autograph? I don't remember.

[Corey Calkins]

I think that's true.

[Randall Williams]

He said that in an interview and then later denied it. I think so. Who knows? You boys ready?

[Aaron McElraith]

Yep.

[Randall Williams]

Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Randall saying 79.99. Going big. We have Corey saying 49.99. The correct answer is lower than both of those, so you will try again. Write down a new. What was yours, Corey? 49.99. You know that it's lower than 50 bucks. How's the chat doing, Phil? Is anybody over there?

[Stephen Rinella]

I will.

[Corey Calkins]

I don't want to give too much away, but we've had a lot of people get it right on the money, so I'm sure there are some good guesses and some cheaters in there, but.

[Aaron McElraith]

All right, man.

[Randall Williams]

Randall and Corey, I would accuse the.

[Phil]

People of cheating, though.

[Corey Calkins]

I have no problem accusing them of cheating.

[Aaron McElraith]

Be careful here.

[Randall Williams]

I know both of you have an answer. Yeah, go ahead and reveal your aunt answers. We've got Corey saying 34.99.

[Aaron McElraith]

Oh, boy.

[Randall Williams]

Randall saying 27.99.

[Aaron McElraith]

Come on, Uncle Ted.

[Randall Williams]

The correct answer is 29.99, giving Randall the victory and the second point of the game. And that is $20 cheaper than his autographed hat that says American kicker on it. So if you're looking to get pat durkin his 70th birthday present for about 50 bucks. Oh, two autographed pieces of Ted Nugent merch. Phil, tell us about the folks who got it right on the nose.

[Corey Calkins]

Oh, I'm putting them up all on the screen here, because I don't. There's a lot of.

[Phil]

Mark Hodges.

[Joel Collander]

Hello.

[Corey Calkins]

Get them all there. So we have. We had five or six people get it. Get it right on the money.

[Randall Williams]

There's on you guys. All right, Phil, tell us about the third item up for bid today.

[Corey Calkins]

Oh, sure. Let me just bring it up here and do that, do that. And then I gotta go back over here. Do you like it when I narrate all the things I'm doing? I'm just trying to feel.

[Phil]

Let me guess what we're talking about here. It's a. Yeah, actually, Rand, how about.

[Corey Calkins]

You guess and then I'll read the Description.

[Phil]

It's a 4x6 harbor freight tarp.

[Corey Calkins]

Our final item up for bid today is a taxidermied whitetail doe from Craigslist.

[Aaron McElraith]

Oh, really?

[Corey Calkins]

This full body mount portrays a dead deer lying on its side. It doesn't sound too interesting. Well, you'd be wrong. The New York City seller said the whitetail was used as a movie prop. When Spencer reached out to ask what movie, the Craigslister wouldn't say, but did reveal that the film will come out later this year and stars an Oscar winning actress. Could it be Jurassic Park? Maybe Avatar or the Conjuring? Or it might be the seventh film in the Predator franchise. I guess we'll never know.

[Randall Williams]

That's right, Phil. Even when I begged the seller to tell me and added pretty, pretty please to my email, they held firm and said legally they couldn't leak the title of the film. All right, Mandolin. Corey, what does that full body whitetail doe mount cost? Beautifully done. Piece of tax.

[Corey Calkins]

Very real.

[Randall Williams]

It's. It's a whitetail doe who looks like she's in her early summer coat. And then it. So I think the bloat that you're seeing there are her utters.

[Phil]

Yeah, this.

[Randall Williams]

This would be a deer that died like right in the middle of May while she had a little fawn under her belly.

[Aaron McElraith]

Or it's been sitting on the side of the road for 24 hours.

[Randall Williams]

That's right. So what does that piece or this could be any cost.

[Aaron McElraith]

Interesting.

[Phil]

Golly.

[Aaron McElraith]

I. I can't go out 0 to 3 here.

[Phil]

It looks so good on the tarp. I know that that is convincing.

[Aaron McElraith]

I know how much the tarp caught.

[Randall Williams]

I. I need our listeners to watch every film that comes out this year that is starring an Oscar winning actress so we can figure out where this taxidermy Dough is from if it's in.

[Phil]

The new Jurassic park film. So it'll be co starring with some FHF gear.

[Randall Williams]

That's right. ScarJo. She has an Oscar. So I thought it could be that. But when I watched the trailer, it looks like it's taking place on a tropical island.

[Corey Calkins]

I don't think Scarlett Janssen has an Oscar. She's been nominated multiple times. She's never won.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, now we got. Well, if that's not the case, then we can eliminate Jurassic Park.

[Corey Calkins]

Mahershala Ali, I think is in that movie. He does have an Oscar, but he is man.

[Randall Williams]

Actress. Yes, yes. Oscar winning actress. Do both of you have an answer for what that taxidermied dead deer costs?

[Phil]

I do.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Let's roll.

[Randall Williams]

Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Corey saying $301, Randall saying $2,499.99.

[Phil]

Piece of Hollywood history to be.

[Aaron McElraith]

Yeah, but they're just trying to get rid of that thing.

[Randall Williams]

The correct answer answer is $4,500. And they said if I pick it up by Sunday, they'll give me a discount. Wow. Maybe. Maybe you could make $2,500. Well, I'm gonna be in New York City next week. I could. I could genuinely bring this thing home if we can solve where this movie comes from.

[Aaron McElraith]

Hey, you got four grand burning a hole in your pocket?

[Randall Williams]

I do not. But maybe this company whose airwaves were.

[Aaron McElraith]

On does offer them $301.

[Randall Williams]

See what they say, Randall. A dominant victory coming off being the 2024 Meat Eater Trivia champion. So we do now defending his title.

[Phil]

As the that one goes out to all the Randals.

[Corey Calkins]

In the chat we had Kevin guess 899. But also, you know, I'm. I don't know what it says about me that I don't trust anyone who gets it right on the money, but especially with something like this. But Lance, guess 950. Lance, if you are true to your word, then I apologize.

[Randall Williams]

$4,500. Though. Those were the closest we had.

[Corey Calkins]

Oh, sorry. I'm looking.

[Aaron McElraith]

We're live folks.

[Randall Williams]

That's okay.

[Corey Calkins]

I'm looking at last episode's price of a taxidermied the camouflage. I'm looking at the wrong price.

[Randall Williams]

4,500.

[Corey Calkins]

$4,500.

[Randall Williams]

If you were close in the chat. Good on you, big doe.

[Corey Calkins]

Put a winky face. We know what he's about. But he got it right on the money.

[Phil]

Big Doge.

[Aaron McElraith]

Dirty dog.

[Randall Williams]

So if you live in New York City, that taxidermy dough could be yours. And like Randall said, it's a piece of Hollywood history.

[Phil]

Maybe it's Big Doe pushing his own product in the chat.

[Corey Calkins]

He just, he just flat out said it. See, this is, this is what I'm talking about here.

[Phil]

Well, I'll know who to watch next.

[Randall Williams]

Time when we're playing Randall now, the champion of Price is right and meat eater trivia.

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[Randall Williams]

All right, let's move on to our last interview for the day. Joining us on the line next is Joel Colander from Rock Island Auction. And he's here to show us some legendary guns that are coming up for sale. Joel, welcome to the show.

[Stephen Rinella]

Gentlemen. Afternoon. Always a pleasure. Good to be back.

[Randall Williams]

All right, Joel. He is a recurring guest. But real quick, remind folks of what Rock Island Auction is.

[Spencer Newharth]

Sure.

[Stephen Rinella]

We're the number one auction house in the world for fine and historic collector firearms. Of course, we're known for six and seven figure firearms. Those are the ones that catch the headlines. But absolutely. Catering to collectors, users of, of all budgets, all levels of expertise, everything. If there's something you're looking for, it's not a question of, of if we'll get it. It's usually just when.

[Randall Williams]

Now, before we get to today's guns, I want to ask you some questions about Rock Island. What's the oldest gun you've ever sold?

[Stephen Rinella]

The oldest that I've seen since I've been here, and that's just about 12 years, are actual hand cannons. So before there's, you know, triggers and firing mechanisms, you literally have a cannon you hold in your hand with a touch hole and you're. And you're firing it off.

[Randall Williams]

So how old are we talking?

[Stephen Rinella]

Oh, pre 1400s and earlier.

[Randall Williams]

Wow.

[Stephen Rinella]

Dating back to, you know, what some people. The earliest between, like 11th century at the earliest. So in between that area and there's a lot of, you know, of course, development in, in that time.

[Randall Williams]

And what part of the world would that gun come from?

[Stephen Rinella]

Asia, Japan, China, of course, gunpowder, you know, developing in China. So a lot of that Section of the world will have that. The earliest gun that we've sold of significance comes from about 1610, 1620. So you're looking right around the time the, the King James Bible is introduced. And that was a wheel lock that belonged to Louis xiii.

[Phil]

Wow.

[Randall Williams]

Now what's the most famous gun that you've ever sold?

[Stephen Rinella]

Oh, well, we brought it up in the last interview. I'd have to say it's that blastech DL44 blaster. It was a Han Solo's blaster from Star Wars Episode 4. It was one of three ever made. And it came to us, you know, from the owner of Bafting company, from the actual prop house. Had documentation from the armor of the film. So that one got some international press. Also went for over a million dollars. Had a Guinness World Record actually for that. So that was definitely the most, I'd say the most famous one.

[Randall Williams]

Now I just finished reading a book about art thieves and a lot of these crimes happen at auction houses. Have you guys ever dealt with any kind of an attempted heist?

[Stephen Rinella]

Thankfully no. We have had no problems with heist. We take security pretty, pretty seriously at our locations though. We have had guns that have been involved in heists. We've had a revolver that actually a cult. It was a fit special. Not a factory fit special, but one that he had modified from Clyde Barrow from the Barrel Gang. Bonnie and Clyde. We've had a public enemy number one. Who is that? Floyd Hamilton. He was a part of their gang. He helped in the, in the big bust when they broke four people out of jail.

[Phil]

Pretty Boy Floyd?

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Stephen Rinella]

Well, no, that's, that's different. Floyd Hamilton's part of the Barrel Gang. We have had a gun tied to Pretty Boy Floyd in a separate, separate Tommy gun related story. But the big one that I like, Bob Dalton, you know, leader of the Dalton gang and of course leads the failed Coffeeville raid. But before the raid, they ordered 10 Colts, Fancy Colts, pearl handled, engraved case hardened like beautiful guns. And they ordered these 10 guns for the gang to do this, you know, double bank robbery in one day. And, and we have privilege of selling one of those.

[Phil]

Classy, amazing.

[Randall Williams]

All right, now the guns we're about to will be available at the Rock island auction happening May 2nd through May 4th. All right, Joel, what do you have to show us?

[Stephen Rinella]

Well, first and foremost brought something for the, for the mountain men, something for the long hunters. This would be a hawk and rifle. Now a lot of them, it's, you know, quintessential American frontier sort of rifle. A lot of Them get the name of Hawk and rifle. This one is actually made made by Hawking. Jacob and Samuel Hawkins. They begin producing guns around 1815. We know this one dates from about the 1850s because Jacob dies but Samuel keeps making guns. And it's marked with his store in that they founded in St. Louis but it just has his name. So just a quintessential piece of America. This one's the full stock. A lot of times the half stocks were more popular despite being more expensive to produce because they were a little more labor intensive. So you don't see the full stocks as often but boy just, just what a piece from that, you know from the mountain man era, from this fur trading era, whether you're a pioneer, explorer, etc. Well that might ring over well with some of the fellers.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. What do you think that gun is going to sell for?

[Stephen Rinella]

Well we have an estimate I believe on, on a genuine hawking 65 to 95 000.

[Randall Williams]

Wow. What's more on that in that price?

[Phil]

Yeah. What's, what's the bore on that?

[Stephen Rinella]

Well, sorry, you know the. Apologies to Jeremiah Johnson. This one's 54 caliber.

[Phil]

Ah yeah. I was gonna say I know a guy who might be interested.

[Randall Williams]

Now Randall, did that gun show a lot, show up a lot in your coverage of mountain men?

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean the Hawkin is the gun that's most commonly associated with that era. And it's obvious it's like probably the most iconic firearm since the Kentucky long rifle. What's, what's interesting in our research is that there's a few like very high profile individuals that had genuine Hawkins but you know, such as Jim Bridger. Oh what's his name?

[Stephen Rinella]

Hugh Glass, Kit Carson, famously of course.

[Phil]

Yep. And, and but you know a lot of that your sort of day to day boots on the ground mountain men were, were getting by with cheaper guns, you know. But those, those, the Hawking is like the legendary piece from that time.

[Randall Williams]

All right Joel, what, what gun do you have next for us?

[Stephen Rinella]

Well I know it's been something for the buffalo hunters in the group. I had a Sharps last time. This one's got a couple special different tweaks too. It's a Sharps model 1874 business model. This one ships actually in 1878. So that prime like huge commercial bison hunting era, you know out there in Montana and big sky country or territory I guess I should say this is one of very few shipped. It's actually the president of Sharps at the time. So it's a, it's a rare gun. There's all the business models like 1600 made. So it's a classic gun definitely associated with the. With the bison hunting at the time in the commercial hunting rare one because of that shipped to the president of the company. But more than that, this gun has won some awards because of the accessories that it comes with. It has maintained all these years not just as kind of a rare and desirable firearm, but it comes with the full sort of buffalo hunting kit. There's that rifle is cased in a case entirely coated with bison fur. Oh it comes with the four skinning kit from the field.

[Randall Williams]

Wow.

[Stephen Rinella]

In bison fur. And just like not every shape, every size. There's things in here that I mean I think look like they're going to be for. For woodworking. This was one. But you know, it's for making sure.

[Phil]

These things can get big draw knife.

[Stephen Rinella]

And back to market.

[Randall Williams]

Now what, what makes that the business model and like what sets it apart from just a regular one of those caliber configuration is.

[Stephen Rinella]

So they're set with a. I think it's a 28 inch barrel, round barrel. Although there are a lot of varieties seen during that time, they're also produced during a pretty narrow window. So it's, it's. I don't want to say it's a collector designation because it was absolutely an original designation from Sharps for how they chose to sell it. But basically configuration again aimed at sort of that big market you see where people wanted accurate guns, reliable guns that could put a lot of firepower for on big animals like. Like an American bison.

[Randall Williams]

And what do you think that gun is going to sell for?

[Stephen Rinella]

I have to write them all down. That one we have estimated actually with all those like original period accessories. 15 to 25 000.

[Randall Williams]

Okay.

[Stephen Rinella]

Cheaper for rare sharps with some extra goodies.

[Phil]

No, I, I hate to be. I hate to repeat my question from earlier. What's that one chambered in? Is that a 50? Is that the big 50? Oh, it's a 45 70. Gotcha.

[Stephen Rinella]

Very cool. Classic.

[Randall Williams]

Yep.

[Stephen Rinella]

And again shipped in 1878. So it's right in that window. Now.

[Randall Williams]

Are you working on the Buffalo hidehunters book right now? Is this. I am gone very famous in your research.

[Phil]

Oh yeah, yeah. The Sharps. I mean again like the Sharps. If you associate one firearm with that era and that particular hunt, it's the Sharps and legendary for shooting animals at distance and putting a big wallop on him.

[Randall Williams]

Okay, and what, what is the third gun you have with you today? Joel.

[Stephen Rinella]

Well, third one is actually one that's gonna kind of one of the headliners of the auction. This is a Winchester 18 model 1873, one of 1000.

[Randall Williams]

Look at that.

[Stephen Rinella]

That was actually one of three made for the film Winchester 73, starring Jimmy Stewart.

[Randall Williams]

That. That gun is a piece of art he is holding. Now, how old is this gun and what do you think that'll sell for? Is it from 1873?

[Stephen Rinella]

Nope. So that's just a model designation. There were some original 100 1000s made like 18, mostly from 1875 to 1893. This one was manufactured by the company some years later specifically to be proper the movie. It's an original manufacturer, although right at the. Right at the turn of the century. That said, it is because of its significance to gun collecting. I mean, the movie, the campaign, the gun itself, like, changes fine arms collecting in the United States forever. It's not like the sole catalyst for it. But to say it's not a major player would. Would be a mistake. This. Let's see, what is the estimate on? That's about 300, 175 to $325,000. Wow.

[Phil]

Wow.

[Stephen Rinella]

So it's based up there, right, with, you know, original, rare, one of 1,000 Winchesters, like these holy grails, these crown jewels of fine arms collecting. And here you have the one that's. That's on screen. You can look at the buttstock. There's the plaque on the butt stock that, like, starts the whole movie. And actually, this is that rifle. There's, you know, we have plenty of paperwork coming with this to show that when that movie opens, this is the rifle that you see.

[Randall Williams]

Beautiful.

[Phil]

That's amazing. Now, I'm not a. I'm not a huge lever gun guy. I. I sort of know the origin story and the. The early models, and then I'm familiar with what's available to the shooter today. But could you tell us a little bit about where the 73 fits in with sort of the development of that. That technology?

[Stephen Rinella]

Yeah, absolutely. So, of course, you have a lot of lever action dating to the mid 19th century. Of course, the most famous one, as the patents are bought up, is. Is the Henry rifle. That's pre Winchester. That's New Haven arms during the Civil War era, 1860-65. Winchester, of course, buys these patents. A little bit of a drama there with Benjamin Tyler Henry starts his own company, Winchester. Oliver Winchester, a shirt maker from New York, comes out with the Winchester 66. Using a lot of those, Benjamin Tyler Henry patents his next rifle. That he makes is the, is the model 1873.

[Randall Williams]

And what do you mean, Joel, by. What do you mean when you say this gun changed gun collecting.

[Stephen Rinella]

So the, the movie. I mean they're famous for being the rare guns, you know, these holy grails. There's only. Of the original Winchester 1 1000s, there's like 132 ever made. And of course, just under half of those are known to exist today. They're extremely rare deluxe guns made for a narrow window of time. People love these. With the move and they're kind of forgotten about. There's a period of time in the 20s, even into the 40s, where there's some curiosity about them by. Known by people who know find and collector firearms. But they're not the famous guns that we know today. Well, the movie comes out in 1950. And when the movie comes out, there's a huge publicity campaign. And this is done kind of headed by Steve Deperman who runs an agency in New York. And he's a name collector should know because his campaign is looking for the original Winchester 101 thousands. They launched this huge campaign, tens of thousands of posters, not even domestically, but also internationally. They're in gun stores, they're in Winchester dealerships looking for Winchester 1001000 rifles. And they don't want them. They're not taking them. They're like, we're just trying to document them all. And if you have one, if you have a Winchester 1873100 1000, we'll send you a Winchester 1894 deer rifle, brand new. A lot of people are submitting, submitting these. But what it really did, how it changed gun collecting is it's introducing people to the concept of rare and desirable firearms.

[Phil]

Gotcha.

[Stephen Rinella]

That those firearms are worth money, that those are valuable. It's teaching them how to identify them. And it's got them like people actively searching for them. Like it's four quintessential gun collector behaviors. And it's just launching this on a. On a fairly unprecedented scale. And then we call the 50s sort of this golden age of gun collecting or fine arms collecting. And it's largely due to in part this massive influx of people who are. Are now looking for rare, desirable guns, of course, starting with the Winchester 1873 101- Thousands. But you know, eventually, you know, Colt single action armies are being collected. Civil War arms, Revolutionary war arms. It's just, it's, it's varied of course, as whatever people have an interest in.

[Randall Williams]

And if Randall is interested in one of these Guns. How does he make a bid?

[Stephen Rinella]

We, of course, you call us. We'll have the catalog up probably early April. April or maybe late March here, the way we're moving, which is good news. You can hop on the line, there's all the pictures, the full descriptions, calibers, all. Any other questions people might have. And it's as easy as clicking on the website. But of course, people want to come do it in person. These are. These big auctions are premier auctions. They're live events. We built a new facility, oh, just about a year and a half ago in Bedford, Texas, and it is absolutely outstanding. So come see them in person, put them in your hands before you place a bid. You can do that?

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. Don't. Don't try to make a heist because they're watching you closely. All right. We're gonna check in with you later this year to see what other cool guns you have at the auction house. Already looking forward to that interview. Thanks for joining us, Joel.

[Stephen Rinella]

Pleasure. Thanks very much. Have a real good one.

[Randall Williams]

You too. All right, that brings us to the end of this week's show. Phil, let's get some final feedback from the chat.

[Corey Calkins]

Yeah. Stephen asks Spencer, any chance you'll be rockhounding on your trip to Lake Superior? I would love to see a collab with Agate Dad. I don't know who Agate dad is, but I. Maybe I'm assuming you do, but I don't know if you do or not.

[Randall Williams]

I do not know who Agate that is. I follow a handful of rockhounding influencers, most of them in the west. But, yes, I do plan to rock hound on that trip. I'd love to find a superior agate. I have a few, but they're ones that I have traded for, so I don't have any that I have myself found, which makes them a little more special. So. So I'm going to attempt to find one on that trip. I also have my UV flashlight with me, and walking the shores of Lake Superior is a great place to bust one of those out to find some unique rocks. So I'm going to try to do it. Stephen.

[Corey Calkins]

Right on. I want to give a shout out to Sarah, who. Who didn't cheat and was the closest for that deer prop. She guessed 2500, which. Which I think was the closest, even though I think the price was, what, almost five grand?

[Randall Williams]

Almost 500.

[Corey Calkins]

4,500.

[Randall Williams]

Good, honest people.

[Corey Calkins]

People were really low ball on that one. Naturally, you guys can get as deep into this as you want to But Jax, he says, I was inspired to pursue a degree in range management by you all. Any words of encouragement or advice for someone looking into this career with the current political situation?

[Randall Williams]

What do you got, Randall?

[Phil]

Man, I would just say keep the faith. You know, we're in a very strange moment right now, but there's always going to be need for people to watch out for our soils and our vegetation and all that habitat out there. And yeah, I don't know that I would make any rash decisions at the moment as other rash decisions are being made by the powers that be. So keep the faith, Jack. And I appreciate your. I appreciate your chosen career path there, Jack.

[Randall Williams]

I went to school for biology, ecology and evolution. I'm not using that degree today. And if you don't use your range management degree either, I don't think you would regret going to college for that. You'll be exposed to a lot of fun, interesting things that any outdoorsman would like to know. So good luck, Jack.

[Aaron McElraith]

Well said.

[Corey Calkins]

Harrison asks question for the crew. What do you think of western states moving to having people purchase a tag to shed hunt and should Montana follow suit? Thanks.

[Randall Williams]

Well, Harrison, I would say I typically trust the folks making those decisions. If they think you need a tag to either track how many people are doing it or to limit the amount of folks that are like pushing around animals during a very vulnerable time, I'm okay with it. I also don't know those tag prices, but I assume it's. It's less than 30. 30 bucks. As outdoorsmen, we spend a lot of dumb money on a lot of dumb things that that $30 tag, which is probably on the expensive side of what these western states are charging is money well spent. What do you guys think?

[Phil]

Yeah, I think it's an activity that when done, I guess carelessly, has a pretty significant impact on the resource. And I would support our wildlife managers having all the information that they can to sort of understand better what that impact is and what steps we can take to make it more wildlife friendly. Because again, deer and elk getting pushed around on winter range is a serious source of mortality.

[Randall Williams]

And I think like shed hunting in the west is probably more popular now than it's ever been.

[Phil]

Yeah, and it's one of those things like on a limited basis it might not have a huge impact, but as it's grown in popularity, it's certainly is making its, its, you know, impact on the resource.

[Randall Williams]

Corey, when you were in your shed hunting heyday, would you scoff at a thirty dollar license if you needed to buy one to do that.

[Aaron McElraith]

No, no, I wouldn't. I'd, I'd pay that in a heartbeat. Yeah. Just I think along the lines of what you mentioned, I think anything that becomes a little overcrowded or over popular has to be regulated somehow. And so.

[Phil]

Yeah, but I will say probably the worst defenders are the guys that are going to go out and not buy the tag.

[Corey Calkins]

Right?

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Phil]

People are still going to be the people that are kind of renegade shed hunters.

[Randall Williams]

Sure.

[Phil]

And like chasing down bulls and stuff. They're probably not going to follow the rules. So it's a double edged sword. But I think always like supporting our agencies and providing them with information and data is a good thing.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. I don't think they're out to get you when they make you buy one of these licenses to go shed hunt. So I just trust that they're doing it for the good of the critters and the good of the resource.

[Aaron McElraith]

Yeah, I don't think Montana's anywhere near having one, but I'm sure at some point it'll happen.

[Randall Williams]

Phil, what else you got?

[Corey Calkins]

Let's do one more. This is probably the most important one. Kevin asks, what new hair product is Randall using?

[Aaron McElraith]

Oh, I believe it's called spit.

[Phil]

Yeah, A little water, little comb. I did get a. I don't even know what you call it. It's like a little tub of stuff. I think it's made by Old Spice, but they have like five different words for things you put in your hair now. You know, there's gels, there's balms, pomade, there's matte paste. I don't know, I don't know.

[Aaron McElraith]

Diaper dandy.

[Phil]

I had to do something. I had to do something because otherwise it's just, you know.

[Randall Williams]

Did we get an answer there as to what you're putting in your hair?

[Phil]

Old Spice.

[Randall Williams]

Old Spice. Okay. There you go.

[Corey Calkins]

Nice.

[Randall Williams]

All right, that brings us to the end of the show. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll see you back here in a week.

[Clay Newcomb]

Phelps has a new thing this spring. They're coming out with what they call the prime cuts turkey diaphragm call. And one of them is called the Clay Newcomb prime cut. And I'm not just going to talk about it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna blow on it here. I'm a simple turkey hunter who likes a simple system. I usually carry one, maybe two diaphragm calls in a single pot call every year. Don't even carry a box call. I wanted a versatile diaphragm call that was the best of two worlds. I wanted loud and raspy, a call that I could cut on, but also one that was soft and subtle that I could purr Kiki run on. I love to make those raspy cuts and the soft, subtle purrs on the same call, and I find many of them. I can't do both. And this call that I worked with Jason Phelps to build simplifies my turkey kit. These prime cuts come in a three pack. There's the Clay Newcomb call, but also Steve Rinella and Jason Phelps favorite turkey diaphragm cuts. You can check all these out, along with all the other Meat Eater and Phelps turkey [e-mail] eater.com.