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Ep. 678: MeatEater Radio Live! Corner Crossing, Tidepool Tim, and a MeatEater Menu
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Stephen Rinella
Hey, American history buffs. Hunting history buffs, listen up. We're back at it with another volume of our Meat Eaters American History series. In this edition, titled the Mountain Men 1806-1840, we tackle the Rocky Mountain beaver trade and dive into the lives and legends of fellows like Jim Bridger, Jed Smith and John Colter. This small but legendary fraternity of backwoodsmen helped define an era when the west represented not just unmapped territory, but untapped opportunity for those willing to endure some heinous and at times, violent conditions. We explain what started the Mountain man era and what ended it. We tell you everything you'd ever want to know about what the mountain men ate, how they hunted and trapped, what gear they carried, what clothes they wore, how they interacted with Native Americans, how 10% of them died violent deaths, and even detailed descriptions of of how they performed amputations on the fly. It's as dark and bloody and good as our previous volume about the white tailed deer skin trade, which is titled the Long Hunters 1761-1775. So again, you can buy this wherever audiobooks are sold. Meat Eaters American History the Mountain Men 1806-1840 by Stephen Rinella.
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Ryan Callahan
Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.
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Stephen Rinella
Meat Eater Podcast.
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Ryan Callahan
Welcome to Media radio live. It's 11am Montana time. It's snowing like the dickens out there. Charles Dickens Phil It's Thursday, March 20th. We're live here from Meat Eater HQ in Bos Angeles, Montana, the greater Bos Angeles metropolitan area. I'm your host, Ryan Cal Callahan. With me today is Dr. Randall Williams. I like to give him one of these Dr. Randall Williams. And Corinne, who actually knows how to use her fists. Schneider. Corinne, what would you do instead of this?
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Corinne Schneider
Well, I'm not great at punching, but it's more like a headlock type. Sure, less pressed, more.
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Ryan Callahan
She's all about submission, folks. That's what she's saying. Phrasing, that's what. What is that not right?
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Dr. Randall Williams
Keep going.
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Ryan Callahan
When was the last time you were in a dojo? Phil?
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Phil
Moving along, there's another bullet point beneath that one.
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Ryan Callahan
We have all sorts of great stuff for you today, including Fake News hosted by Dr. Randall Guests such as Tide Pool Tim from Gulf of Maine, Inc. Which I'm super excited for. We got some great questions for Tide Pool Tim and Jordan Sillers, who, as you know, contributes a heck of a lot around the old Meat Eater universe, from editorial to working on Cal's weekend review. All your awesome like gun, controversial, highly Controversial gun on gun episode or articles? Articles. Thank you. On the website, Jordan has been working on a super cool new project in the true crime genre. Yeah, we're very excited to bring that to you. Phil's gonna make that noise the whole time because we don't have. That's probably like the Law and Order theme song thing is probably not something that we can just rip off Anyway. I'm gonna start off the show by giving you what you really want, which is like a policy and federal lands update in the segment that somebody decided to call Cal Unleashed. Oh.
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Corinne Schneider
What are you trying to say, man?
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Ryan Callahan
Wow, that's great. I'm so glad I cut my own hair for this. It's true. Do you think I paid for it? Come on. Okay, Public lands update. We're gonna start with the. The good stuff first. A 10th Circuit Court court of appeals, one of the highest federal courts in all of the land, just issued their judgment, their decision on the second federal appeal of the corner crossing case in Wyoming. This is huge for folks who aren't familiar with Corner crossing. You will be shortly. Phil's going to bring it up for you. If we can't get it up there, go to ONX Corner locked report. And it just gives you a very good, easy breakdown of what we're talking about. But it's checkerboard and where the corners of the squares come together, that is how our land system is kind of broken down in the US So stepping from one piece of public, let's say a black square to a black square at that corner seems very straightforward. And by God, according to the judges, it is. If you can wrap your head around this, stepping from public land to public land is legal. That's pretty much it. That's pretty much the update. A lot of people don't understand why this is controversial. It never should have been. Please read the decision out of the 10th Circuit Court. Really great. Read some good history on how these lands came together and how certain unsavory folks decided to try to tie up a bunch of western land, miles and miles and miles, hundreds of millions of acres of western land through strategic purchases of small chunks of private land in an effort to block folks out of public land. I have a bunch of internal knowledge on this, but James Harrington, who we call him Jim, he was a board member for backcountry hunters and anglers. North American board member. He gave me an assessment of the situation because this still can be appealed by Iron Bar holdings. And so that you know it's a threat that this may not be actually over. But according to old Jim, he says the judge or the judges there, there's a whole list of judges in the 10th Circuit. They were appointed by George Bush, Ronald Reagan and Obama. This case ain't getting turned over at the Supreme Court. And it's the law until it's not. And the Supreme Court probably wouldn't even be able to hear an appeal for two to three years. Probably. So what that means is they upheld the original federal court decision in the ninth Circuit. At the tenth Circuit, this applies to basically, basically like tenth circuit jurisdiction which is Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, these little spits of Yellowstone national park, the YNP that, that stick out into Idaho and Montana, but not elsewhere. However, this is the, the big thing states like Montana that have a lot millions of acres of corner locked land. This is the only case that has ever been tried to address this specific question. So let's say I go out here in my home state and I do this crazy thing of stepping from public land to public land and somebody says I don't like that and they want to, they want to sue, take me to court. Their lawyer would say, hey, I want to take all your money for sure. Don't want to get in the way of that. But just so you know, here's a Wyoming case, here's a 9th Circuit court case, here's a 10th Circuit court case that all says this is totally legal. And by the way, it always has been. So I'll take your money, we can take this dude to court. But this is what we're up against. You shouldn't do that. Okay. But that, that's where we're at right now. So big round of applause. Huge, huge thanks to Wyoming backcountry hunters and anglers who were the folks who got a hold of the Missouri corner crossers and said, hey, we got your back. We're going to do whatever we can to raise money for your, your legal fees and backcountry hunters and anglers for, for backing up Wyoming. BHA and super proud to say that here at Meat Eater we kicked in a bunch of cash and facilitated a bunch of cash through our land access initiative. And tons and tons of thanks to all of the folks in the meat eater world who contributed to that because this is the result. Millions of acres of land formerly corner locked have now been unlocked through common sense. That just took time to get to.
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Phil
I like it.
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Ryan Callahan
Yeah. What do you think? My rundown, Corinne?
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Corinne Schneider
I thought that was great. Especially yeah. That it's 10 circuit court jurisdiction. When I first saw That I was just wondering when I first saw the headline, what states it applies to. But, you know, that's the. The power of precedent. It might be a deterrent for.
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Ryan Callahan
You.
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Corinne Schneider
Know, people to potentially bring lawsuits if this were to happen in other states.
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Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
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Corinne Schneider
Outside of 10 circuit jurisdiction.
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Ryan Callahan
Speaking with the legal team, one piece of insider info was the judge that we got does not like us. And so for this judgment to come out of that judge, they were super, super stoked on. Yep.
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Phil
That's great.
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Ryan Callahan
Yep. So that was really cool. All right, next big piece of news that affects all of us is the Interior Department, Secretary Burgam, and hud, led by Secretary. Oh, sorry, where's my notes? Here.
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Phil
Scott Turner.
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Ryan Callahan
Scott Turner. Okay, we're going to have a lot of acronyms here, but I'm going to try to get through this really quick. Joint statement. Okay. And. And resources, or your sources in general, are very important here. So a tool that I've been using lately is the Federal Register. Okay. So anything that happens with our federal government, it's supposed to be transparent. So there's documentation on the Federal Register every single day of all of this stuff that is the source material. There may be a little bias and interpretation on my part here and there, but that's why you should get off your butts and go read it for yourself. The Federal Register. Okay. And this is a statement out of the Department of the Interior and out of the. What is it? Housing Authority.
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Phil
Housing and Urban Development.
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Ryan Callahan
Housing and Urban Development.
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Dr. Randall Williams
I just want to jump in really quick here. For the very first time in radio live, looks like we're having some. Some connection issues. I don't even know if you can hear us or see us right now. If that's the case, people listening to the podcast, the next day, this will be. You'll be able to hear everything perfectly fine. So because this is the first time this has happened, I don't know what's going to happen to the video, but I think we should just keep rolling on with the show, Cal, because. Oh, streamyard crashed.
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Ryan Callahan
Whoa.
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Corinne Schneider
Oh, no.
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Phil
Yeah, my Internet is down.
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Dr. Randall Williams
Oh, the whole. Okay, great. Well, for the podcast people, we're going to leave this in. It looks like the Internet crashed for. For the. For the whole building. So that's great. Fantastic.
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Phil
Shouldn't be a big deal. No, Cal, why don't you just keep carrying on?
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Dr. Randall Williams
Well, I mean. No, I don't think we should now. I think we should figure out what's going on here. Wait until this comes back up. Are we back?
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Phil
Can you Hear us now.
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Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah. Please, people in the live chat let me know if, if we are back on. We had Internet drop out for the whole building here.
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Ryan Callahan
Jeff Wydra has a great question. Did you unplug it and plug it back?
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Dr. Randall Williams
Okay. Yep.
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Phil
Guys, this is an unprecedented technical error.
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Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
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Phil
Out of our hands.
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Ryan Callahan
I see a bunch of you guys are pointing towards Elon Musk taking us down. I. You know, we can't confirm or deny that corner.
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Corinne Schneider
Okay, thanks, Boondoggin.
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Phil
Well, let's get back to the old federal lands, affordable housing.
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Ryan Callahan
Okay. Yeah, sorry. So hopefully folks remember the Federal Register, okay? It's, it's the, the daily documentation of what's going on in the government. That's the source material. Here we had our Interior Secretary, Doug Burgum, and why can't I remember Scott Turner's name at the Housing and Urban Development? They made a joint statement saying the Interior Department oversees more than 500 million acres of federal land, much of it suitable for residential use. Streamlining the regulatory process is a cornerstone of this partnership. Historically, building on federal land is a nightmare of red tape, lengthy environmental reviews, complex transfer protocols, and disjointed agency priorities. This partnership will cut through the bureaucracy. Interior will reduce the red tape behind land transfers or leases to public housing authorities, nonprofits and local governments. Housing and Urban Development will ensure these projects align with affordability goals and development needs. This isn't a free for all to build on federal lands, although we recognize that bad faith critics will likely call it that. It's a strategic effort to use our resources responsibly while preserving our most beautiful land. Well, little trick for you when we talk about public speaking is you don't feed your audience the things that then spawn bad faith criticism, such as saying that much of 500 million acres of public land is suitable for housing or that you're going to remove the regulations such as environmental reviews and oversight, which is currently happening. Because that does create like a bad faith critic. Yes. And I'll just say, like, I don't have a whole lot of faith here that what we've seen in the last two months is capable of making well thought out decisions. Right. I'm, I'm referring of course to the super metallic off brand Doge chainsaw. What we need here is well thought out decision making. I was like visibly physically distraught and angry when this came out because I just do not like where this is heading. The reality, though, is that there has always been a process for selling federally managed land that's provided for in what is referred to as Flipma, which is Federal Land Policy Management Act. And there's, there's a ceiling of 2500 acres before Congress would have to be involved in the decision to release larger tracts of land. It's nice that this stuff's provided for. Everything is supposed to go through an environmental review called nepa, which is the National Environmental Policy act that came in in 1970. You know, like basically the 70s were this kind of point in time where people were like, oh my God, we've almost killed off things. Now we can bring them back. Notably at that time, like bald eagles and ddt. Right. That was, that was government action and people could see the benefits of protecting the environment. I'm trying to wrap this up because I wrote like 2,000 words on this, which I'll. I'll put in like the Cows We Can Review podcast so we can keep her all snappy here. But basically we only have so much land. There will never be enough. Our population keeps rising. The idea that we're at some like kind of crazy critical mass and it just has to happen right now is total malarkey. It's super short sighted. Yes, we need more affordable housing and this land is so valuable. If you actually think in the long term that these processes that we have in place from the Council of Environmental Quality, which is supposed to be the executive, I don't know, liaison for nepa, they're supposed to be able to talk to the agencies, say this is how NEPA, which started out as a four page document, four pages, which is pretty darn efficient in 1970, how that is supposed to be implemented, what's supposed to be taken into consideration. And then they tell the President what it is. The ceq. Nepa, that's not something that says a project cannot happen. All it's supposed to say is here is what is at risk, here's what could happen to what is ever on the ground. And also here's what could happen if we did nothing. It's really an accountability exercise for the US Government that says, here is our impact. This is what we knew when we took an action. We knew the possible implementation, the ramifications of our actions. Right. There's a great. This is from. You got to listen to this. This is like the, the best, best quote, this is 1970, our government. Senator Henry Jackson states, Mr. President, it is my view that NEPA, as passed by the Senate and now as agreed upon by the conference committee, is the most important and far reaching environmental and conservation measure ever enacted by the Congress. NEPA is A congressional declaration that we do not intend as a government or as people to initiate actions which endanger the continued existence or the health of, of mankind. That we will not initially initiate actions which will do irreparable damage to the air, land and water which support life on earth. That was written in 1970 by our government. And what has happened, basically, to wrap this up in a tidy as nutshell as we can, we have a process for selling federally managed public lands. They're supposed to be looking for marginal lands that they determine to be marginal, of which I will be honest, like we do have chunks of land that are not providing like major ecological benefits, not beautiful habitat. You could make the case and, and literally under the Biden administration, this happened. Under the first Trump administration, this happened and it's happened prior to that, where we have made decisions to sell public land to municipalities, trade it to other entities. And some of that's happening right now. And they're like weird things that are like this is a chunk of ground that currently exists within an airport that is a federal chunk of ground, right? Like it's, it's fenced off, jets land on the damn thing. Like it's not of environmental, you know, value to us. So there are things like that. What I am asking is that the controls that have been put in place to value these lands and value the impacts that we are going to have on these lands actually remain in place. However, the NEPA process is, is right now in a 30 day review to be rolled back CEQ, right. The administration that, that is there to interpret NEPA, which can by the way already set carve outs within the process to make things super fast and something that, that has been used many, many times over many administrations. The new secretary or not secretarial order. But the new marching orders for CEQ are to basically do the NEPA thing. But keep in mind that we're going to cap you on time spending. And if a entity that wants the land comes to you with their own review, that should be prioritized over the NEPA review, which is a little concerning to me because we are not making any more land. It's only going to be more valuable. Why sell it now? That's, that's kind of my rant. I can go way, way on and I will on my own podcast. Not, not for you good people.
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Stephen Rinella
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Phil
Phil, should we go to tide pool Tim now?
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Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah, let's do tide pool Tim first and then how about we hit fake news after tide pool?
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Phil
Let's do that.
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Dr. Randall Williams
Sound good? Yeah, let's bring him in if you want to set that up, Cal.
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Ryan Callahan
Oh, oh, we're going to go to tide pool Tim right now?
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Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah, we're moving things around a little bit.
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Ryan Callahan
All right, coming in from Cobbs Cook Bay, excited to learn how to really say that is Gulf of Maine inks Tim Sheehan, AKA AKA Tide Pool Tim. Timmy there.
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Tide Pool Tim
Hey there, meat eaters. Hello.
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Ryan Callahan
Welcome to the show.
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Tide Pool Tim
Well, thanks for having me on today. It's kind of a cold, windy day here on the coast of Maine. We're way up the coast right on the border with Atlantic Canada. So, I mean, I don't like to swim, but we're about five miles as the crow flies across to the New Brunswick and then of course, Nova Scotia and the Bay of Fundy.
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Ryan Callahan
Well, according to TV and Stephen King and all the other things about man, it's always cold, gray and windy.
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Tide Pool Tim
There it is. And we had hoped to join you guys at low tide, which was a couple hours ago, but right now we're about mid tide or so, and you can see behind me this huge tidal river that's flowing in. And a lot of what we do here in my ability to have this marine supply business is because of all of this moving water and all the productivity in this amazing, abundant ecosystem. So I'm excited to share that with you guys, Guys and your listeners.
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Ryan Callahan
Yeah, can you give us a quick breakdown of what Gulf of Maine is, what, what you guys do?
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Tide Pool Tim
Yeah, it's kind of a funny little business. I used to teach high school biology and at the time I had my summers off, of course, and I started to go down by the shore and pick up a little bit of seaweed here and some starfish there and some seashells. And I thought, man, there's got to be markets for this stuff. And over the past 20 some years, we have markets with cosmetic companies, with bait companies, with agricultural fertilizer companies, food ingredients, scientists, researchers, aquariums, and pretty much if you need anything from the ocean tide pool, Tim, I'm your guy.
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Phil
Good man to know.
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Tide Pool Tim
Craft it, we net it. You know, we're like the rcmp. We always get our man.
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Phil
Love it.
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Tide Pool Tim
Yeah, it's a lot of fun.
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Phil
So what, what kinds of plants and creatures are you harvesting and or growing? Like, what are your. Some of your best sellers?
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Tide Pool Tim
Oh my gosh. We do sell a lot of seaweed. And ever since COVID came on, you know, people were scared and holed up in their apartments and houses and freaking out. Were they going to survive? And so a lot of people came to us looking for things like Irish moss to make sea moss gels and bladder wrack and kelp. So that's certainly one of our mainstays, our seaweeds for human consumption. But the business started really on scientific specimens. And you know, it could be a teacher in Ohio that's got a elementary class and she would just like some. Some real life starfish to share with her students. So we put them in a box with some water, some oxygen and FedEx or UPS overnight. So a lot of marine organisms, they could be hermit crabs, they might be sea urchins. We go out and net up plankton, you know, the stuff that whales and filter feeders eat. And we sell that by the gallon. One of our biggest and probably the hottest selling item right now are our fishing worms and our marine baits, specifically bloodworms. And we're shipping these DTC all around the country. Great big worms as thick As a Sharpie and 12 inches, 16 inches long sometimes. So this time of year, everyone and their brothers going fishing and we're getting calls, you know, every five minutes and orders from the website.
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Corinne Schneider
I was on your, your site looking at the things that you have for, for us to snack on and I came across limpets or limpets, is it limpets? Limpets. And I have, I'd not known what they were called. I think that I ate those in France a number of years ago. Would that, would those be the same species? And can you just describe for our audience what they are? They look kind of like the, the little hats that rice farmers in Asia wear to me, if, if that visual makes sense.
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Tide Pool Tim
Broad rimmed hats. And yeah, they're, they're really. If you're ever eaten abalone, it's essentially a mollus or type of clam, if you will, that only has one shell and they stick to a hard surface such as a rock, a shell, another organism. And what they do is they are, they're going along the rock and they're eating the seaweed, the algae. And you know, if you want to eat an oyster, there's two shells you stick in the oyster knife. You pop it open. Imagine half an oyster always open. You just have to peel it off the rock. So these limpets might be the size of a quarter down to, I mean, this morning we filmed some that were the size of popcorn kernels, but inside is that fleshy foot, their gill, their gonad, and a really tasty, salty, briny little tidbit. So I'm sure, I don't think probably in France that they were the same species, but certainly would be in the same family.
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Corinne Schneider
And then also I noticed the sea cucumbers. Who's, who's buying those? And then for you, how do you like to eat or prepare those? I know some folks in the office, when they harvest sea cucumbers in Alaska, they'll scrape off the kind of slimy outside and then do them like clam strips. But in other parts of the world you kind of eat the whole thing. So how do you do it?
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Tide Pool Tim
Yeah, a lot of our customers from Asia want sea cucumbers, sea urchins, some of the snails we have. But with a cucumber, imagine a pickle. That's what the local fishermen call them. And we have some who, some fishermen who drag them and some who actually scuba dive for them. But they, you cut each end of the pickle off, if you will, slid it up the middle, open it and this is an invertebrate it has no skeleton, right? So it has a very thick, tough skin. And in the absence of a skeleton, the muscles inside are pulling against this tough skin, and that's what allows them to move. But they're related to cucumber. I mean, to starfish and urchins, sand dollars. They're in the echinoderm family. And all that's in there is, like, the most basic organism. In fact, sometimes I think, man, you're nothing but a gut and a gonad. If you think of it, that's what a cucumber is. On one end, it has a feeding apparatus. On the other end, it's excreting its waste. And then inside is that thin sheet of muscle that kind of reminds me of, like a kid's raspberry fruit roll up. So when you open the thing up, you have to scrape off this thin sheet of meat, and that sheet of muscle is pulling on the skin. It curls up totally like a fruit roll up automatically because there's nothing to pull against. And then you, you know, you could cook that, saute that, like, anything. But it's really crunchy. It's kind of like if you were in my mind's eye, when we've eaten it and our kids have eaten it, it's almost like you're chewing on cartilage. It really kind of pops in your teeth. And then the skin itself is boiled and dried and then shredded up and served, you know, like on a. On top of a seaweed salad. And we've never actually eaten much of the skin, but it's a very tough organism.
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Ryan Callahan
Did you ever describe some of your biology students in the same manner? Just. Just a mouth gonad sphincter.
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Tide Pool Tim
10Th graders, right? You're nothing but a gut and a gonad. They like that. In fact, years ago, I tried to convince my wife to allow or decide on the. The first name Nad for one of our children. I thought, man, can you imagine if they're an athlete? Go, Ned. Go, Nat. Go, Nat. I check my students. They're like, Mr. Sheen, you got to do that. You got to do that. But it never came to fruition.
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Corinne Schneider
So funny.
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Ryan Callahan
I love it. I love it. Yeah. So what. What's the, like, the favorite thing. What. What is in. In the tide pool, Tim World.
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Tide Pool Tim
Yeah.
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Ryan Callahan
What's the. The favorite critter to go after for.
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Tide Pool Tim
Meat eaters, but our top product really is Irish moss. It's a short red marine algae that has carrageenan in it, which is a natural thickening agent. And you've probably heard of this in your supermarket or maybe natural food store. But sea moss and sea moss gel. A lot of people, especially in North America, are getting on to eating seaweeds as a regular part of their diet. So we go out actually in this bay here at very low tide, and here's this red fuzz growing along the rocks. And we use a cutter to cut it off, we rinse it out, we bring it back to our base into a greenhouse, spread it out on tables and dry it out. And when we're shipping it to our customers, it's usually typically a half pound or a pound of this dried. So the home consumer will take it, put it in a Vitamix or a blender with a little bit of water, some lemon or lime juice, and just kind of pulse it a little bit. And it's the coolest thing. The seaweed gets liquid, turns into a liquid and then immediately, immediately just gels up like pudding. And it has a beautiful red pink color to it.
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Phil
Cool.
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Tide Pool Tim
Or Irish moss that we have here in the industry is called purple sea moss. And a lot of the moss that's out on the, on the market comes from like the Caribbean type areas. And they have a golden colored sea moss, but the same thing, you have a seaweed or a marine algae that's got carrageenan in it. And our customers swear by having a tablespoon of this gel in their regular smoothie or in their soup or whatever they're cooking every day. And I mean, it's the weirdest product. Once again, it kind of hit us around Covid because I, when the kids were young, I made a YouTube video for my YouTube channel about Irish moss. And all these new customers kept calling, hey, I watch your video. I want some of this moss. You know, I want to save my life. And people call and they're crying. People are sharing this moss with their whole, their whole church, their neighbors, people calling and saying it's cured them of skin problems. Covid like everything under the sun, like it's a cure. So. And I. That's a lot of anecdotal kind of stuff. But people swear by the effects of eating this Irish moss. And really that's our number one product right now.
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Ryan Callahan
Cool.
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Tide Pool Tim
Are our fishing worms, our bloodworms?
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Ryan Callahan
Oh, yeah, yeah. I like, I like the balance there. Health and beauty and blood worms. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know where I lean personally.
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Tide Pool Tim
The. We have so many categories of, of products, you know, bait and fertilizer and food and, and science and research and that it just Makes for a really fun day because each morning I. I get on my laptop and I look at my orders and I go, oh, geez, I gotta go, you know, pick five pounds of moss. And they need to run over here and pull these traps to get 12 hermit crabs. And then I'm gonna run to this other dock and get some sea anemones. So it's really, you know, in terms of what we've created with Gulf of Maine, it's. It's just like a. Every day is a holiday. It's always fun, it's always exciting. And then we're able to populate our Instagram with all kinds of amazing content every day. It's always fresh. It could be a dead seal washed up on the beach. It could be, you know, some bald eagles fighting over a dead eel on the rock weed. It's just so much variety. And, you know, we hunt, we fish, we forage, we eat mushrooms, we eat seeds, seaweeds, we, you know, it's really kind of a fun way to raise our kids and to just go about each and every day, and we're making really good money. I mean, it's amazing how this stuff that's just lying around here in this bay, you know, this is our virtual warehouse, if you will. And every day, whether it's 20 below zero or it's 70 degrees out, I got to be out here picking and collecting and sort of sending these boxes out all across mostly North America, but sometimes into Europe.
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Ryan Callahan
Do you have internships available?
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Tide Pool Tim
Yeah, in the summertime. And we, we just, we don't put out anything formal. We kind of wait for motivated students to get a hold of us and say, hey, we'd like. I'd like to come and hang out with you guys. What do you got? You know, and we've had students from all around the country come, so if there's any listeners looking for a fun, you know, variety field summer, hit us up.
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Ryan Callahan
Heck, yeah.
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Phil
Well, Tim, Tim, thanks for joining us. Can you tell quickly if folks want to learn more about Gulf of Maine where they can find you?
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Tide Pool Tim
Yeah, I mean, we have a great website and you can order all of our products. It's GulfOfMe.com we have a nice Instagram for Tide pool Tim, and also at Golf of Me for the business. And then we have some tick tock postings and also my YouTube channel. So, yeah, all kinds of good stuff there. Some of it crazy, some guts, some gonads, and a whole lot of fun.
- [39:43]
Phil
Sounds perfect.
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Ryan Callahan
Heck, yeah. Well, thank you so much, Tim.
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Corinne Schneider
Thanks Tim.
- [39:49]
Phil
See ya.
- [39:50]
Corinne Schneider
I think I'm gonna order myself some sea cucumbers and limpets maybe. That's special. Mom.
- [39:56]
Phil
Get some bloodworms up in here.
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Ryan Callahan
Yeah. Do some dead drifting. Yeah. I like it would be good steelhead bait. I guarantee it.
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Corinne Schneider
I love how I go for the health and beauty and snacks and you guys go for the bait.
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Ryan Callahan
I would definitely get a supply of good seaweed too for making poke and all that good stuff. Yeah. Game. What do you want to do? Do you want to go do Randall's segment of Fake news?
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Corinne Schneider
That's fake news.
- [40:23]
Ryan Callahan
How dare you fake news. Or do we want to do listener feedback?
- [40:27]
Phil
Let's do fake news.
- [40:36]
Dr. Randall Williams
So is that so?
- [40:37]
Stephen Rinella
This opportunity comes once every few weeks.
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Jordan Sillers
You can do anything you set your minds to, guys.
- [40:46]
Dr. Randall Williams
I love it.
- [40:47]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, my God. Yes.
- [40:50]
Phil
Beautiful. Beautiful, Phil.
- [40:52]
Corinne Schneider
Give it up for Phil, everybody. Oh, my goodness.
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Phil
So in this segment of Fake News, I'm going to share a selectively edited hunting or fishing related headline from the news while Cal and Corinne attempt to fill in the blank with the multiple choice options. Only one of your choices is true, according to this news article. Phil, let's hit him with number one here. French hunter 81 on trial for killing endangered blank. Is it an endangered lynx, an endangered duck, an endangered frog, or an endangered bear? Ooh, Got a little sound effect too. I think this segment is shaping up nicely, Phil.
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Dr. Randall Williams
It's coming together in three or four.
- [41:39]
Corinne Schneider
Years at the same time.
- [41:40]
Phil
Whenever you're ready to go. Whenever you're ready. C, Frog D. We have our answers. Frog and bear. One of you got it right. The answer is bear. The headline reads, French Hunter 81 on trial for killing endangered bear that attacked him. This was reported by the Guardian. Andre Rives assumes how you pronounce it was boar hunting in the Pyrenees mountains when a female bear named Caramelis attacked him. He surprisingly encountered the cubs and was then charged and dragged by the bear by his leg before he shot it. He sustained injuries and had to be evacuated by helicopter. An investigation revealed that the bear was killed 400 meters. That's 1300ft for those of us stateside, outside of an authorized hunting area and in a nature reserve. Fifteen of their hunters who also took part in the hunt are being prosecuted for various offenses, including hunting in the Mont Vallier Nature Reserve, one of the oldest reserves in the Pyrenees. The hunters argued that the boundaries of the reserve were poorly marked.
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Corinne Schneider
I thought that this elderly elder gentleman was going after some prized frog legs.
- [42:54]
Ryan Callahan
No.
- [42:55]
Corinne Schneider
And they were going to make a big deal out of It.
- [42:57]
Phil
Yeah.
- [42:58]
Ryan Callahan
You're so racially biased. Yeah.
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Phil
I think you heed in on the French part there.
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Corinne Schneider
That was the. I fell for the trick answer. Well, very good, Randall.
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Ryan Callahan
81, man, 81. 81 attack. Was it a grizzly bear?
- [43:12]
Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah, I believe it's a brown.
- [43:13]
Ryan Callahan
Brown bear, yeah. That's so cool. So cool.
- [43:16]
Phil
Yeah.
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Ryan Callahan
A lot of people don't know brown bears in Europe like spitting distance from major tourist attractions, which is so cool. So cool. But I want to be 81 and be able to be attacked by a bear and drug and still survive. I can't shoot it.
- [43:32]
Phil
Yeah, yeah.
- [43:33]
Ryan Callahan
And then. Then gets a flight out of there. I mean, he's getting ticketed.
- [43:37]
Phil
That's a hard old man.
- [43:38]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. Hard old man.
- [43:40]
Phil
One to nothing, Cal. Phil, let's hit this second one blank. Responds to a story of pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania Game Commission. Is it Ted Nugent, Elon Musk, Ellen DeGeneres or Joe Rogan Casualties. Who is responding to the story of a pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania Game Commission?
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Ryan Callahan
Ellen, It's a trick question. It's e. All of the.
- [44:12]
Phil
Well, this is specific to one article that I found on the Internet. That may well be true, but we're going with the article.
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Ryan Callahan
Yeah. I'm gonna go with Teddy Nuggets.
- [44:21]
Corinne Schneider
Yeah.
- [44:21]
Ryan Callahan
Motor City Madman.
- [44:23]
Corinne Schneider
I'm gonna pet. Okay, I could see that too. I'm gonna lean to Ellen.
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Phil
Ellen and Ted. I'm afraid neither one of you got it right here. He's a busy man. Elon Musk. This story comes to us from penlive.com Elon Musk responds to story of pet deer being taken by the Pennsylvania game commission. A 64 year old woman was arrested back in February for interfering with the Pennsylvania Commission Game Commission authorities as they attempted to take away a pet deer named Baby. Baby was a wild born deer which made it illegal to keep as a pet and had been castrated and wore a dog collar. Baby's owner, Tammy Shearey, refused to allow entry to the police when they arrived with a lawful search warrant. Elon Musk, the head of Tesla Space X and the Department of Government Efficiency, quote, tweeted a story about this incident recently, adding his own thoughts, quote, the authorities need to stop doing this, end quote. His tweet kicked off a shitstorm on social media with many users using the hashtag save Baby and they shared the video of the deer being forcibly led away from its enclosure. Real sad stuff.
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Ryan Callahan
Oh, oh, busy guy. The humanity. Very busy humanity. They need to stop doing this.
- [45:43]
Phil
Why I don't know.
- [45:46]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, it's too busy.
- [45:48]
Phil
Cell phone cameras.
- [45:49]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. All right.
- [45:50]
Phil
Still one nothing cow. Phil, hit us with a third headline. Police say reported swimmers in distress turned out to be blank. Is it duck hunters, seals, geese, or spear fishermen? What were these purported reported swimmers in distress?
- [46:17]
Ryan Callahan
Probably gonna go D. Yeah, I'm gonna.
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Phil
Go D. Cal's going D. Corrine saying B. Man blanked again here. The answer is geese. This story comes to us from New Zealand police and a rescue squad responded to a report about two swimmers in distress near Ferguson park in Tauranga. New Zealand helicopter and coast guard crews searched the area for 45 minutes before the police gave the call to stand down. A police representative later stated that the search was called off when the reported struggling swimmers, quote, turned out to be geese. Nonetheless, the people who mistook the birds for people did the right thing by making the report. Well, guys, it's a tough round. We've got one more question here. Let's see if Corinne can tie it at one or if Cal's gonna run away with this victory.
- [47:08]
Ryan Callahan
It's a good thing I can't get negative points.
- [47:10]
Corinne Schneider
I think my performance on this game is kind of like trivia. I wonder which one's worse.
- [47:16]
Phil
Well, this is just nonsense. So a man went deer hunting and accidentally stumbled upon blank. Is it a mammoth tusk, stolen cash, a murder victim, or a World War II era aircraft?
- [47:32]
Ryan Callahan
I personally have done D. What? Yeah.
- [47:37]
Corinne Schneider
Is this article about you?
- [47:39]
Ryan Callahan
No, I'm gonna go with C. A murder victim. Ooh, spooky. See you at the mall later.
- [47:46]
Corinne Schneider
I think I was leaning toward B.
- [47:48]
Phil
Stolen cash, B and C. Are these your final answers? Blanked again. It's a mammoth tusk.
- [47:55]
Dr. Randall Williams
Oh, I forgot to get a screenshot of this one.
- [47:57]
Phil
Oh, that's fine.
- [47:58]
Ryan Callahan
Was it like Iowa?
- [47:59]
Corinne Schneider
We'll picture it ten times.
- [48:00]
Ryan Callahan
Okay. Oh, Texas. Wow.
- [48:01]
Phil
This one comes to us from Popular Mechanics. A hunter at the O2 ranch in Texas near Big Bend National Park.
- [48:07]
Ryan Callahan
Cool.
- [48:07]
Phil
Came across a strange fossil like rock in in the drainage area of a creek bed and took a photo with his phone. He then showed it to the ranch manager who contacted researchers to come take a look. Turns out it was a single mammoth tusk isolated from the rest of the skeleton. After two days of plaster casting that tusk, researchers removed it for transportation to Sol Ross State University in Alpine. And I wish we had an image of that because, darn, it was a good looking tusk. Next time.
- [48:33]
Dr. Randall Williams
I really blew it.
- [48:34]
Phil
Next time.
- [48:35]
Ryan Callahan
That's a real dream. Real dream. Find For a fellow like me. Do we want to jump over to listener. Listener.
- [48:45]
Phil
Bill, let's do some feedback here.
- [48:47]
Dr. Randall Williams
We can do a few. We've only got a couple.
- [48:48]
Ryan Callahan
Real quick.
- [48:49]
Dr. Randall Williams
We're running late. A couple of good.
- [48:51]
Ryan Callahan
What do you have to get to?
- [48:52]
Phil
Oh, I'm. I don't know. I mean, I don't have to do anything.
- [48:56]
Dr. Randall Williams
Should we just go on until 5:00?
- [48:57]
Phil
Yeah.
- [48:58]
Dr. Randall Williams
I mean, like, who's stopping us streaming? Anything else around questions here? Nick. Corinne, Nick needs some details about your wadad hunt next month. Will it be filmed?
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Corinne Schneider
Oh, well, our colleague Corey is going to be along with myself and my boyfriend and he will be filming. He'll. He'll. We'll probably do a GoPro and a little bit of social media stuff. So some of it will be filmed. It will not be an entire episode. It started out as a personal trip and as these things go, the line between my work life and personal life is kind of super blurred.
- [49:39]
Ryan Callahan
So I was gonna say it doesn't sound like Corey knows what he's getting into.
- [49:44]
Corinne Schneider
So we're gonna be in. In West Texas, close to El Paso, on a ranch owned by the University of Texas. El Paso. It's a research facility there. That's all I'll say for now. Hopefully we all, the three of us, get one.
- [50:03]
Ryan Callahan
It's also where MacGruber played tight end. A lot of people don't know that.
- [50:09]
Phil
Phil, what you got?
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Dr. Randall Williams
Question for Dr. Randall from Michael. In addition to the Long Hunters audiobook, what are some other good books about Daniel Boone?
- [50:17]
Phil
Well, you've covered the Essential source there.
- [50:19]
Dr. Randall Williams
Nice.
- [50:20]
Phil
So I will add Robert Morgan's biography, Boone. And then there's a book called My Father Nathan Boone, that was. It's based on interviews with Boone's son taken by Lyman Draper and then organized into a book and published by Ted Franklin Ballou. That'll get you going. How's that?
- [50:45]
Dr. Randall Williams
Phil, that was perfect.
- [50:46]
Ryan Callahan
Man who knows his sources.
- [50:48]
Dr. Randall Williams
Jack asks Cal, what are some things Easterners can do to help protect Western public lands other than joining conservation organizations. Organizations?
- [50:56]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, Jack. Well, first of all, these are your public lands. Just like us Westerners consider them our public lands. Just as Democrats, Republicans, Independents, all the colors of the rainbow, it's your public lands. So, yes, joining conservation groups so they can point to your membership as somebody that they are representing is very helpful. But at the end of the day, you have got to notify your elected officials of your interests, needs and wants. Right. And again, like we've been saying, very consistency, consistently over the last couple of weeks, you can say, hey, love what's going on over here, but this stuff over here has me super freaked out. I do not like it. I love public lands. I understand the value that they bring to all of us Americans, and I need them protected, not broken up. Something simple like that. We're all in this together, buddy.
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Phil
Fantastic.
- [52:03]
Dr. Randall Williams
Awesome.
- [52:03]
Phil
Phil, what you got?
- [52:04]
Dr. Randall Williams
Oh, we've got a few more, but we've got a good friend and colleague in the waiting room. I think we'll hit some of these at the end of the show, and if you guys want to submit some more questions, send them my way, and maybe we'll answer them at the end of the show.
- [52:18]
Ryan Callahan
Excellent. All right. Yeah. Thank you for the questions. And you're gonna have a lot more questions about this, which I think is the point. It's gonna wake you up in the middle of the night. It's a real whodunit. It's a murder mystery brought to you by Meat Eater's Own Jordan Sillers. Jordan, are you with us?
- [52:36]
Phil
Jordan, welcome to the show.
- [52:38]
Corinne Schneider
Thank you, Jordan.
- [52:39]
Jordan Sillers
Thank you. Can you hear me okay?
- [52:40]
Phil
Oh, yeah.
- [52:41]
Dr. Randall Williams
Sound great.
- [52:42]
Ryan Callahan
What have you been working on?
- [52:45]
Jordan Sillers
Oh, man. Well, exactly what you said. Last year, I was contacted by a guy who told me about a murder that took place in 2003 in Virginia. This murder was of a turkey hunter named David stack. He was 44 years old at the time, and they never figured out who did it. And so I've been looking into this for about a year now. It's. It's been pretty close and put everything together into a single episode of a podcast that we're going to release next week during Turkey Week. So really excited to share that with everyone. Hopefully we can get. I don't know, hopefully we can get some. Some new leads in this case because it's. It's been a long time since anything's happened.
- [53:32]
Corinne Schneider
Can you tell us some details without giving too much away?
- [53:38]
Jordan Sillers
Yes. So one of the big questions about this case is whether or not the person who committed the homicide knew what they had done. And so there's some evidence at the scene to suggest that this person actually walked up to David's body and removed his face mask to see who it was and then walked away and never has never come forward, has never told anyone what happened. There's some controversy about some other evidence at the scene. A cigarette butt, for example. There is some suspicious. There were some suspicious interactions with neighbors that we get into quite a bit. You can imagine, you know, the neighbors are who you're going to look into first. It was on about 190 acres in western central Virginia. So there were some neighbors around, other turkey hunters. There were some, some pretty suspicious things that happened with the neighbors. So there's a lot to dig into. We, it's just a single episode. So, you know, we're not going to do a whole season on, on this one story, but there is a lot there to talk about for sure.
- [54:52]
Ryan Callahan
Heck, yeah. And the title is Blood Trails A Turkey Woods Cold Case.
- [54:59]
Jordan Sillers
That's right. Yeah.
- [55:00]
Ryan Callahan
And when, when does this drop, Jordan?
- [55:03]
Jordan Sillers
I believe next Tuesday.
- [55:05]
Corinne Schneider
Yep, it'll be the Tuesday of, of.
- [55:07]
Ryan Callahan
Turkey week, and we're putting it out on what feed?
- [55:10]
Corinne Schneider
It's going to be on this feed, the Meat eater podcast feed. So it'll come. Yeah, it'll come on Tuesday. And we, Jordan, also interviewed our colleague Brent Reeves, who is former law enforcement. And so I guess you guys went into a little bit of kind of analysis of, of what we do know and, and what we don't know, correct?
- [55:36]
Jordan Sillers
Yeah, that's right. For those who don't know, Brent was in law enforcement for a long time, over 30 years. And so his perspective was really important for this story. The, the Virginia Department of Wildlife Resources, the wildlife agency there, is responsible for investigating this case. But they were pretty hesitant to say anything, and we talk a bit about that, but it was important, I think, to get that law enforcement perspective. You know, what are the sort of standard procedures for a case like this? You find someone's body in the woods, what do you do over the next 48 hours, over the next week? So we covered that and then just getting a little bit more information about why the agency was hesitant to, to talk with us, to give us a lot of information. So Brent's perspective was super helpful and he brought, you know, his usual good natured humor to that discussion. So that's, that's in there as well.
- [56:34]
Phil
And could we listen to his magnificent voice on this podcast? Oh, wonderful.
- [56:39]
Jordan Sillers
Yes. Yes, we can. It's, it's, it's a big chunk of the podcast, actually, so very cool. That's, that's a big plus.
- [56:47]
Ryan Callahan
Heck, yeah. Well, yeah, we'll be looking forward to that on Turkey week Tuesday.
- [56:53]
Corinne Schneider
You guys should all tune in and write us about what you think. It's our first venture into the true crime genre, thanks to Jordan's work and real journalism and investigation over the past year.
- [57:11]
Ryan Callahan
And as per usual, if you solve this, it will be the only murder mystery podcast, podcast, true crime genre where conservation always Wins. Exactly. We'll give you 500 donated to the conservation group of your choice.
- [57:28]
Phil
Jordan, are you. Are you hooked now as a. As an. I assume this is your first murder investigation. Are you hooked now in the. I mean, what. What was that like for you? Because obviously you're talking to people that are still, like, involved in the. I mean, family and. And people in that area. What was that like for you?
- [57:47]
Corinne Schneider
That's a good question.
- [57:48]
Jordan Sillers
Yeah, yeah, no, I talked with. So the. The person who initially contacted us is a guy named Kenny, and he was one of David's really good friends. So I talked with him. I talked with David's son, who was there that morning. I talked with David's brother, who was also there hunting, and I talked with David's wife. So, yeah, it was. It was a. An interesting experience, a humbling experience to. To talk with these people who, I mean, are really brave, in my opinion. You know, this. This happened over 20 years ago, and. And I'm asking them to dredge these. These things up, dredge up these emotions that, you know, I'm sure they would rather not think about that much, but they care about their. Their dad, their friend, their. Their husband. They want to know what happened. They want to know who did this, and so they're willing to go through that to tell us a bit more about what happened. So, yeah, it was a really interesting experience, and we'll see. Hopefully we can do a few more of these if the audience likes them.
- [59:02]
Ryan Callahan
Heck, yeah. Sounds like good, powerful journalism. I'm looking forward to listening to it. And, yeah, please write in and let us know what you think.
- [59:11]
Corinne Schneider
Thanks so much, Jordan.
- [59:13]
Phil
Thank you, Jordan.
- [59:13]
Jordan Sillers
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
- [59:17]
Ryan Callahan
All right, team, are we feeling hungry?
- [59:20]
Phil
I think so.
- [59:21]
Ryan Callahan
You want to go to the meat eater menu?
- [59:23]
Phil
Yeah.
- [59:23]
Corinne Schneider
Wow. Yes.
- [59:24]
Ryan Callahan
Okay. Bacon tastes good.
- [59:26]
Tide Pool Tim
Pork chops taste good. Hey, sewer wrap may taste like pumpkin.
- [59:30]
Phil
Pie, but I never know because I.
- [59:31]
Ryan Callahan
Wouldn'T eat the filthy mother. Oh, I love it. Okay, this is the segment meat eater menu where we talk about things that we've cooked. I believe. Did Corinne and I share the only.
- [59:49]
Phil
No thing here. Hold on. Let me. Let me send out a. Let me send out a quick text here. Part of my. Part of my presentation here. So I'm going to get into a little dish we cooked up this week by way of a bison hunt that took place in January and my wife said was fortunate enough to shoot this year and a half ling cow on American prairie, part of the American prairie harvest program. And it was just a phenomenal experience. Phil, next slide. Our first dish that we made out of this was a Randall tartare, the raw egg out of the Danielle Pruitt cookbook. Just a delightful little dish. Really enjoyed that. We used a piece of loin and whipped that up like the day or two after the hunt.
- [60:42]
Corinne Schneider
It looks beautiful. It looks like a cake. It's, like, in a mold and.
- [60:46]
Ryan Callahan
Yep, yep.
- [60:49]
Phil
Then next slide, please.
- [60:51]
Dr. Randall Williams
I'm sorry, Corinne, what are you reacting to?
- [60:53]
Ryan Callahan
Hold on, Phil.
- [60:54]
Phil
You're all. You're along for the ride.
- [60:55]
Corinne Schneider
I'm not gonna say anything.
- [60:57]
Ryan Callahan
We've also just done some.
- [60:59]
Phil
Some pretty standard sticks. I liked this. I thought I cooked it well, so I just shared that photo. Next slide, please, Phil. That's what it looked like, all plated up. That's a pretty standard preparation for us at home.
- [61:11]
Corinne Schneider
Fancy.
- [61:12]
Phil
Next slide. We did some ribs. Cal was over for this, as was Cal's mom and Pat and Cal's aunt and her friend. And we had a little dinner party, the eight of us. Next slide, please, Phil. So we diced up those ribs and made a big old tray of ribs. Now, finally, this week, in honor of St. Patrick's Day. Phil, next slide, please. Made a little cottage pie and some soda bread.
- [61:44]
Corinne Schneider
Oh, look at this.
- [61:45]
Phil
And our good friend, friend of the program, Chili, brought in a hot plate of cottage pie for everybody to try here.
- [61:53]
Corinne Schneider
Oh, gosh.
- [61:54]
Phil
This is the best little dish of peas and carrots and some potatoes layered on top. And the real trick here, the. The. Thank you, Chili. I appreciate that.
- [62:04]
Corinne Schneider
Thank you so much.
- [62:05]
Phil
He's been sitting by the microwave for a good 50 minutes, so. You're a good man.
- [62:09]
Corinne Schneider
Oh, I love it. We all best not be sick because we're going to be sharing that fork.
- [62:12]
Dr. Randall Williams
Three forks.
- [62:13]
Phil
I left four forks out there. Yeah, yeah. I'm counting. Phil, don't go. The secret ingredient. Cal, do you know what it is here?
- [62:22]
Corinne Schneider
Oh, goodness, that looks so good. Here. I'm just going to use his fork.
- [62:28]
Phil
That is bison chorizo in there.
- [62:31]
Tide Pool Tim
Oh.
- [62:32]
Phil
Rather than burger. It's chorizo in the cottage pie.
- [62:35]
Corinne Schneider
Did you make that or did Anna.
- [62:39]
Phil
Anna Borgman from Cast Farms made the chorizo.
- [62:41]
Dr. Randall Williams
Oh, lovely.
- [62:42]
Phil
Sydney made the cottage pie and the soda bread. So really, I have no hand in this whatsoever.
- [62:47]
Ryan Callahan
That's real good. Oh, is that the Spanish chorizo?
- [62:51]
Phil
Yes.
- [62:52]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [62:52]
Phil
Yes.
- [62:53]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [62:53]
Phil
That's really tasty.
- [62:54]
Ryan Callahan
Yep.
- [62:55]
Phil
Thank you. Thank you.
- [62:56]
Ryan Callahan
Chili snort.
- [62:59]
Phil
Handsome and helpful.
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Corinne Schneider
That's so good. Phil, you want a fork?
- [63:03]
Jordan Sillers
I would love one.
- [63:03]
Ryan Callahan
It's real good.
- [63:04]
Dr. Randall Williams
I'm going to wander over Here.
- [63:05]
Phil
Yes, That's. Oh, and then Phil, if you hit the next slide.
- [63:07]
Dr. Randall Williams
Oh, sure.
- [63:08]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
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Dr. Randall Williams
Hold on a sec.
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Phil
Sorry. Sorry. We're doing this. A little chaotic here. That's what it looked like. Sydney didn't like that picture because it has the. The takeout container, and she said it looks like we didn't make the food, but that's actually a takeout container with some pastries in it. I'll just like.
- [63:23]
Dr. Randall Williams
I believe you.
- [63:27]
Phil
Corinne has taken control of the cottage.
- [63:29]
Ryan Callahan
Well, here's here.
- [63:29]
Dr. Randall Williams
This is actually convenient because one of the questions Kyle asked was he. He wanted to know what's for lunch.
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Phil
Yeah.
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Dr. Randall Williams
So there we are.
- [63:37]
Phil
A large piece.
- [63:38]
Dr. Randall Williams
Now you can watch us eat on camera.
- [63:41]
Ryan Callahan
You can get, after that, mellow vision. Gosh.
- [63:44]
Phil
And Cal thought I didn't prepare anything for Meat Eater menu. That's just a whole story leading up to a tasty little dish that you can enjoy right here on Meat Eater Radio Live.
- [63:54]
Corinne Schneider
It's got a lot of white pepper in it. No, it's. It's. It's.
- [63:58]
Phil
Oh, yeah.
- [63:59]
Corinne Schneider
Spicy.
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Ryan Callahan
Real good.
- [64:00]
Corinne Schneider
Deli. Oh, my goodness. I can't think anything like that.
- [64:04]
Phil
Yeah, no, the. The chorizo was an accident. Sydney pulled out the wrong package, but I think it works quite nicely.
- [64:13]
Ryan Callahan
Happy accident. I grew up with a lot of mashed potato ground meat combos, so.
- [64:19]
Phil
And love it. Good use for frozen peas.
- [64:22]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, wonderful.
- [64:23]
Corinne Schneider
I have to step up my cooking game. Nothing I've made tastes like that.
- [64:26]
Dr. Randall Williams
All right.
- [64:27]
Phil
All right, guys.
- [64:27]
Dr. Randall Williams
Very well.
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Ryan Callahan
What do you got?
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Corinne Schneider
It's. It's a shame. Coming after that. I think the picture that I sent of the dish was after I had eaten most of it, and then it was, like, in a little plastic Tupperware container. So I think that was, what, last year, about a year ago's hog in Texas. I don't know if that was my first or second Texas hog down south in. Way down south in Texas, or if that was the one that we shot while podcasting. I can't remember. In any case, I cooked up. There was a. A. A pack of it in. In the freezer for. For a while, and it just said trim. Trim for grind. But I really. I didn't have a grinder. I didn't really want to do that with it. So when I defrosted it, I noticed that it was like part of. Part of. Part of the leg, like what you do, like aso buco with. And so a lot of gelatin and tendon, and I just decided to kind of Asian poison sauce, soy sauce. Put a little bit of barbecue sauce in there. I thought I'd just kind of do like a. A stew, saucy type dish and. And throw it over rice and just lots of onions. Threw it in the pressure cooker. And maybe there is a photo up there, but it looks honestly like that. That's what was left out of from it after I realized that I should have taken a photo. But it doesn't look fancy. It, you know, looked like a pile of.
- [66:24]
Ryan Callahan
Meat.
- [66:25]
Phil
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [66:25]
Ryan Callahan
Meat. Yeah, that's the word.
- [66:26]
Phil
Yeah, meat's what you're going for there.
- [66:28]
Corinne Schneider
In a little container.
- [66:30]
Ryan Callahan
But it tasted good.
- [66:31]
Corinne Schneider
Doesn't look so appetizing, but it. But it tasted.
- [66:33]
Phil
I feel like a lot of my improv wild game dishes end up looking like that.
- [66:38]
Ryan Callahan
Pressure cooker is a great tool.
- [66:40]
Corinne Schneider
Brown. Utilize stuff on a plate.
- [66:43]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, great tool to utilize.
- [66:46]
Dr. Randall Williams
Oh, yeah. And then, Cal, I can bring up. I can bring up yours. Just give me. Give me one sec here.
- [66:51]
Ryan Callahan
So I was explaining to Phil earlier that I don't know how many of you folks use Instagram reels.
- [67:00]
Phil
Ig.
- [67:01]
Ryan Callahan
But I always have this, like, oh, I'm gonna actually put something together here. And I have this epiphany of how with a little extra work, I can make it really good. And that's the point at which I'm like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that.
- [67:16]
Corinne Schneider
That looks like a banging cheesesteak.
- [67:19]
Ryan Callahan
Oh. So, yeah, this is just your. Your, you know, French dip, which is. Was a real staple growing up. You'd have, like, your pot roast one night, French dip the next night, or Christmas time. Be like a prime rib type of deal. Your wild game meats can be very fantastic deli meats. There's no reason to not just take a big roast and put it on the smoker or, you know, even in the oven, and then just slice that whole thing really thin. That's all I did here. And then, yeah, just eat it right over the stove.
- [68:05]
Corinne Schneider
What do you do to make that a jus?
- [68:07]
Ryan Callahan
Well, so the. The au jus. That. That. It's just bone broth.
- [68:12]
Phil
We gotta talk over the music so we don't get dinged. Yeah, this is great.
- [68:15]
Dr. Randall Williams
I don't think I can adjust the volume in Instagram, so this might be a problem. I just wanted to highlight the best choice.
- [68:21]
Phil
Talk over it so we don't get dinged.
- [68:23]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, just keep talking. That's exactly the mode you need to be in.
- [68:27]
Phil
That is the good, good soundtrack.
- [68:28]
Ryan Callahan
Smash a sando. Like that, kids.
- [68:33]
Dr. Randall Williams
Looks great. I'm Gonna mute the audio now, but I wanted to give a taste.
- [68:36]
Phil
Yeah, thanks. Good. That's good.
- [68:37]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. And then the. Yeah, the au. That's. That's bone broth. So I'll. I'll pack out as many bones as I can and then put those in a big pressure cooker and nuke them for 30 minutes and then strain it out and can it. So a lot of. A lot of time with the pressure cooker.
- [68:55]
Corinne Schneider
I should do that.
- [68:56]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, and yeah, it's.
- [68:58]
Corinne Schneider
I have not. I have, like, a couple of huge elk bones that I haven't cut.
- [69:03]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [69:03]
Corinne Schneider
So.
- [69:04]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, yeah. And that stuff is, like, so reduced that the. The liquids like tacky, like candy. And it just makes. Yeah. It's so good. So good. Get it blustery, cold day and get some bone stock out. Or like when we make wontons, we'll make a ton of wontons and then just freeze them. And then you crack open a jar of your bone broth and dump wontons in there, and it's like instant wonton soup. It's killer. Really good. Really good. But hey, use your. If you get. If you're like, I'm so sick of having big roasts and things, just slice those things into deli meat and it actually freezes just fine. If you vac seal deli meat together, which I've done for, like, a bunch of our shoots and. And things. Because it always really depresses me to leave this freezer of awesome meat. Go on a shoot, and the first place you go is Walmart to go buy a bunch of crappy deli meat instead of just making it at home. Yeah, that's the point.
- [70:06]
Corinne Schneider
Love it.
- [70:07]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. Yeah. All right. Those are our recipes. Ish. Let us know how inspired you are.
- [70:16]
Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah.
- [70:16]
Ryan Callahan
By writing in, because we love our instant gratification, Phil.
- [70:21]
Phil
Speaking of that instant gratification, what's going on in the chat?
- [70:24]
Dr. Randall Williams
Well, Colton asked Dr. Randall. The movie reviews are a great idea. Any interest in a monthly book club? I think we've talked about this briefly, but there's a reason that we went with movies instead of books.
- [70:35]
Phil
Yeah, I mean, there's always interest in a monthly book club. I've gotten a number of requests for reading lists related to mountain men and longhunter things. So I'm going to work on maybe a reading list for the website on those topics, and then maybe you'll just get a wacky reading list, too. Books about dinosaurs and World War II and serial killers. What's next?
- [71:07]
Dr. Randall Williams
Phil Mogor, our good friend Mogor says Corinne, parentheses for your feed picture. It's ugly but tasty in my language. Ronda di Phinom. I do not know how to. I can't do a Hungarian accent and I will not try. But he says, believe me, it sounds really good in Hungarian.
- [71:25]
Corinne Schneider
Great.
- [71:25]
Dr. Randall Williams
Just. He's offering some words of support.
- [71:27]
Corinne Schneider
Thanks for that. I appreciate it.
- [71:28]
Phil
Shout out mogul.
- [71:29]
Corinne Schneider
Quite ugly but tasty. Thank you.
- [71:32]
Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah. Let's see. Ron asks Randall, have you ever had a Salin's hot dog from Buffalo, New York?
- [71:41]
Phil
I have not. I have not. But I'm intrigued. I will take this moment to shout out my friend Eric in Nebraska who just sent me a whole bunch of Wimmers hot dogs, which are a regional staple there. He sent me a few varieties along with some famous Nebraska sauces. And Cal and I have been plotting up a taste test at some point. So, yeah, I'd be interested to learn more about Salin's dogs, but I haven't been to Buffalo in a good long while.
- [72:13]
Corinne Schneider
Ron, if you feel like mailing Dr. Randall a package of those.
- [72:18]
Phil
I'm going to. I'm going to. I mean, I'd love it, but I'd encourage you not to. After seeing how much money Eric spent on postage to send hot dogs across the country.
- [72:28]
Ryan Callahan
We got a lot of hot dog content.
- [72:29]
Phil
A beautiful gesture.
- [72:31]
Ryan Callahan
A lot of. A lot of people don't know. In fact, my significant other was just shocked to find out that Randall and I met at a hot dog stand.
- [72:39]
Tide Pool Tim
Herbs.
- [72:39]
Phil
Red hots.
- [72:40]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [72:42]
Dr. Randall Williams
And you'll die in front of a hot dog stand.
- [72:45]
Phil
Catch them.
- [72:48]
Dr. Randall Williams
Dairymond. Dare. Dare.
- [72:50]
Ryan Callahan
Mewd.
- [72:51]
Dr. Randall Williams
Donnelly asks your Dermid. Oh, I've never seen.
- [72:54]
Corinne Schneider
It's Welsh.
- [72:55]
Dr. Randall Williams
Dermid spelled that way. Well, I learned something.
- [72:57]
Corinne Schneider
Or Scottish.
- [72:57]
Dr. Randall Williams
Great favorite store bought fish coating. Like, I'm guessing like a fry. Like a, like a fry coating if you have one. Because they're not too hard to make at home, I would guess.
- [73:07]
Ryan Callahan
But yeah, yeah, I'm not too picky. Try to find something that seems simple. So yeah, you just like your old fish fry stuff. Yeah, not real helpful here.
- [73:20]
Phil
I don't know if this counts as a coating, but the. I like the Tony Chacher's spice blend.
- [73:26]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, it goes all the way to the spice.
- [73:27]
Corinne Schneider
Oh yeah, Tony's. Tony's is good.
- [73:29]
Phil
Yeah.
- [73:29]
Corinne Schneider
I don't think I've ever bought. I think I just flour or cornmeal and a spice mix or.
- [73:37]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, I do. I mean panko with a little bit of cornstarch and white pepper. Is a good way to go on a little garlic powder.
- [73:46]
Dr. Randall Williams
Rashad, you asked a great trapping question, but I will hold off on that until Seth or Steve are here. Unless Cal and Randall think they want to.
- [73:55]
Ryan Callahan
Best I can do is quote Wayne's World on that.
- [73:57]
Phil
I'd take a swing, but it wouldn't be helpful to you, Rashad, my friend.
- [74:01]
Dr. Randall Williams
Let's pass over it. TaylorMade outdoors. Hey, new meat eater fan was brought into the world this morning at 5am a month early. So she's in the NICU. But she's beautiful and will be raised with meat eater parenting children's books.
- [74:12]
Ryan Callahan
Congrats.
- [74:14]
Phil
Congratulations.
- [74:15]
Dr. Randall Williams
Thanks for watching the show next to your newborn baby and your wife who.
- [74:19]
Phil
Was on the Good Wife in the hospital. I know that from one of my many stays.
- [74:24]
Dr. Randall Williams
Yes, I like this question. I don't know how you guys are going to answer it. Brad asks, what animal do you shamelessly wish was a game animal that is not and never will be?
- [74:34]
Phil
Real weird and interesting question, Brad. Thank you. I mean the obvious one for me is wild horses. They are. That's a good one. They have a tremendous ecological cost. They're terrible for the health of our landscape and they're large animals that evolved on this continent. So there's. People have been hunting horses for a real long time, but now we don't thanks to the wild horse and burro Protection Act. I'm thinking of another one that's weirder, but I'll turn it over to my colleagues while I chew on that.
- [75:14]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, I love that one.
- [75:15]
Corinne Schneider
Yeah, that's a great.
- [75:16]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. I mean it's like you had this amazing vehicle that you could also eat.
- [75:21]
Phil
Yeah.
- [75:21]
Ryan Callahan
And then emotions just ran rampant and it's like, oh, no, that's not for eating.
- [75:28]
Corinne Schneider
Have you guys eaten horse?
- [75:30]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [75:30]
Corinne Schneider
Yeah, I have too.
- [75:31]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, Both like little like sashimi type horse and then sausage too.
- [75:36]
Corinne Schneider
Okay. I've done like, like a prosciutto type cured meat. Cured horse.
- [75:42]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [75:42]
Corinne Schneider
But. But never a sashimi.
- [75:44]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [75:45]
Corinne Schneider
Type.
- [75:46]
Phil
What about you? Manatees, panda bears.
- [75:51]
Ryan Callahan
I think sea lions. For us non indigenous predators. Yeah. Sea lions would be. Yeah. Because those sons of guns like you're swimming. Imagine you're with a bunch of folks that you don't know all that well but you trust and you're way off the coast of California and you're diving into the not great visibility Pacific Ocean out there and you go through the dark and the murk in the top like 20ft of the water column. And then right about the time you can start seeing Some sort of structure on the bottom. This big, huge fang tooth monster pops up right in your face and blows bubbles at you and you're trying to control your breathing so you don't die.
- [76:49]
Phil
Mm.
- [76:50]
Ryan Callahan
I'd like to just. I'd like to eat one. Kill one, eat one. And our friend Heather deville is just telling me that the sea lions, they have a way more mild, more palatable taste than. Than like seals do.
- [77:07]
Phil
Interesting.
- [77:07]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. Yep.
- [77:09]
Corinne Schneider
Huh.
- [77:10]
Phil
Marine creatures.
- [77:11]
Ryan Callahan
That's Wild Bill.
- [77:13]
Dr. Randall Williams
Bill is asking, I'm sure directed at Cal. Do feral cats count?
- [77:16]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, feral cats count for sure, for sure. That's another stigma we got to get rid of in this. In this country. Feral cat should be shot on site, period. Yeah, you can definitely eat those little disease ridden creatures for sure. For sure.
- [77:35]
Phil
Yeah, they are vectors for some weird pathogens, I feel.
- [77:39]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah.
- [77:40]
Corinne Schneider
Probably shouldn't eat them because.
- [77:41]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, our pregnant lady, or used to be pregnant lady, she couldn't be around cats.
- [77:50]
Phil
So.
- [77:52]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah, yeah. But birds are not because they're little disease carrying and they kill a lot of birds.
- [77:57]
Phil
And there are reports coming out all the time about birds being in trouble. Bird populations.
- [78:03]
Ryan Callahan
Oh. Directly linked to the extinction of several species and. Yeah, like we need. Yeah, yeah. We're prioritizing some little killing machine that shouldn't be there over native species and it's insane. Billions of birds and mammals. Small mammals. Yeah, good. Thank you for bringing up the cats.
- [78:29]
Phil
Shout out Bill.
- [78:30]
Dr. Randall Williams
He means that too.
- [78:30]
Ryan Callahan
Good job.
- [78:31]
Dr. Randall Williams
From the bottom of his heart, I'm gonna be selfish and steal. The last question Leland asks, what's the status of the meat eater crew D and D campaign. So I've actually been thinking about this a lot. Over a year ago at the company Christmas party. Not this last Christmas, but the Christmas before. Spencer came up to me after a couple beers and was like, hey, Phil, I was thinking like, how can we.
- [78:53]
Phil
Switch up trivia a little bit?
- [78:54]
Dr. Randall Williams
I'm thinking like a murder mystery party based on the fish heist, which, if you don't know, some fish was stolen, quote unquote, out of the freezer in the office that Steve brought back from Alaska or something. No one copped to it. No one admitted to taking the fish. It's still out there somewhere or has been passed and has been left to the great cycle, but it was never solved. And then I laughed and thought, oh, that'd be a lot of work if that'd be a lot of fun. And then about a year passed and then just a couple months ago I had a shower, thought of like, man, that'd be a really good D&D one shot. So I have been writing this DND one shot based on the fish heist. I'm like 70% done. I've got it like all mapped out in my head. I just got to find players. Cal, you're currently an NPC in the game, but if you want to be a player, I would love to have you at the table.
- [79:50]
Ryan Callahan
Oh, dude, I'm totally.
- [79:51]
Phil
Yeah, totally.
- [79:52]
Dr. Randall Williams
Same with. Same with you, Corinne.
- [79:54]
Ryan Callahan
As long as you have the. That's the patience for a first timer.
- [79:57]
Phil
Yeah, we get tuned up and watch YouTube videos on how to play D and D and then I'll be set.
- [80:02]
Dr. Randall Williams
Yeah, I. So anyway, I'm really excited about it. I don't know when it's going to happen because I want to have a session where we play like a different game and teach people how to play and then jump into this thing. But if, if I get the green light because I would like to record it and if we, if it's good and fun and I get the green light to like drop it on the YouTube channel, I would love to do that. So that's. That is what's happening right now. Anyway, I hope it happens.
- [80:26]
Phil
Thanks for your trivia questions.
- [80:28]
Ryan Callahan
Yeah. So a big heads up to everybody. Next week is turkey week. What that means is we in the meu meat eater universe.
- [80:43]
Phil
I like it.
- [80:45]
Ryan Callahan
We'll be talking turkey all across the board. Turkey calling, turkey photos, turkey stuff. So pay attention to that. We are going to be doing some giveaways. There's a turkey photo contest. We are going to give away a free to you first light tree line turkey vest which is a brand new vest. New Phelps turkey calls. I played around with some diaphragms the other day that were really good. And the mimul tree mooltree edge 2 cell cam. Send your best turkey photos to radio themeater.com and if you think a normal grip and grin is going to win this contest, you're dead wrong. We want to see something different. A photo of your unique ornamental turkey trophy hanging in your man cave or lady cave. A fun pic, you know, whatever cave. A fun pic of your kids getting in on the action. Or a breathtaking landscape shot of your turkey honey hole through the mist and under day breaks sun rays. Interesting way to write that. We will showcase the top three photos during next week's episode. Hosts will then pick a winner to receive a prize turkey package. Which means you get to tune in, be involved and you're going to know Live Meat Eater Radio live, whether you want or not, which is always fun, very exciting.
- [82:15]
Phil
And I'll be, I'll be one of the judges. So if you have a photo that you think speaks to me and my sensibilities, my aesthetic tastes, please give yourself, do yourself a favor and enter that bad boy radio at the Meat eater dot com. That's radiothemeat dot com.
- [82:32]
Ryan Callahan
All right, gang, that's all we have for today's show. As always, thank you for tuning in. We'll see you again next week.
- [82:40]
Corinne Schneider
See you next week.
- [82:42]
Phil
Rock on.
- [82:54]
Stephen Rinella
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