Ep. 684: Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CLVIII

Summary

Episode 684: "Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CLVIII" – Detailed Summary

Release Date: April 2, 2025
Host: Giannis Patelis
Guests: Spencer Newhart, Cal Roman, Eric Hamburg, Brody, Riva, Phil

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Introduction

In episode 684 of The MeatEater Podcast, titled "Game On, Suckers! MeatEater Trivia CLVIII", host Giannis Patelis brings together a group of outdoor enthusiasts for a spirited trivia competition. The episode emphasizes MeatEater’s commitment to conservation, blending humor and expertise as participants vie for the top spot in this interactive game show.

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Participants and Roles

• Giannis Patelis: Host and mastermind behind the trivia questions.
• Spencer Newhart: A seasoned contestant with previous hosting experience.
• Cal Roman: Expert in hunting with extensive knowledge of outdoor practices.
• Eric Hamburg: New participant, works at the MeatEater store and attends Montana State University.
• Brody: Long-time outdoor enthusiast with a passion for hunting.
• Riva: Focuses on conservation topics, bringing insightful perspectives.
• Phil: Engineer and regular competitor in the trivia games.

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Gameplay Structure

The trivia game comprises 10 rounds, each delving into topics such as hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking. The stakes are high, with the winner earning the privilege of having MeatEater donate $500 to a conservation organization of their choice.

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Key Highlights and Notable Quotes

1. Opening Banter and Introductions (00:48)

   • Giannis Patelis welcomes everyone:
     "It's a MeatEater trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins."
   • Light-hearted exchange about Eric Hamburg's notable hair:
     Cal Roman: "You grow a lot of hair, too."
     Eric Hamburg: "It looks like that's what I'm known for. Yep."

2. Understanding the Trivia Format (03:00)

   • Giannis explains the quiz structure:
     "This is a 10-round quiz show with questions from meat eaters. Four verticals which are hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking."
   • Introduction of stats for the week:
     "The average player score was 3.3. The winning score was 6... last time the winning score was 9."

3. Infrequently Asked Questions Segment (04:35)

   • Bob Burns asks about hunting on military land:
     "I am active duty at Fort Stewart and was wondering if anyone at Meat Eater has ever hunted military land."
   • Brody shares his experience hunting on a military installation in Guam:
     Brody: "We were gonna hunt pigs... and traveled to California."</p>

4. New Cooking Show Announcement (08:36)

   • Giannis introduces MeatEater Roast:
     "We just released the first episode of a new show called Meat Eater Roast where we have a couple of our very own everyday Wild Game culinary enthusiasts."
   • Spencer humorously doubts sponsorship:
     Spencer Newhart: "No one's going to want to sponsor my episode."

5. Trivia Questions and Discussions

   • Question 1: Average Inside Spread of a Mule Deer Buck (14:30)
     "According to the Boone and Crockett Club, what is the average inside spread of a typical Boone and Crockett mule deer buck? Is it 21, 22, 23, or 24 inches?"
     Spencer is the first to answer correctly with 24 inches.
     Giannis shares insights from Jennifer Statin of Boone and Crockett.

   • Question 2: First Light's Camouflage Pattern (19:24)
     "Which camouflage first appeared on First Light's hunting clothing?"
     Correct answer: ASAT (All Season All Terrain).
     Cal Roman recounts his interaction with First Light's founder.

   • Question 3: Definition of a Brace of Birds (24:54)
     "A brace of birds is how many?"
     Correct answer: Two.
     Giannis elaborates on proper bird hanging techniques for meat preservation.

   • Question 4: DOPE Acronym in Shooting (29:30)
     "What does the acronym DOPE stand for when used in shooting?"
     Correct answer: Data on Previous Engagements.
     Spencer emphasizes the importance of real shooting data over phone apps.

   • Question 5: Non-Resident Whitetail Deer Buck Tag Prices (35:32)
     "Rate these four states' non-resident whitetail deer buck tag prices from most expensive to cheapest: Oklahoma, Ohio, Iowa, and Missouri."
     Correct order: Oklahoma ($708), Iowa ($644), Ohio ($400), Missouri ($288).
     Phil highlights the high cost in Oklahoma and the surprising affordability in Missouri.

   • Question 6: Qiviut - The Soft Underwool of What Animal (42:31)
     "Qiviut is the soft underwool of what animal?"
     Correct answer: Muskox.
     Giannis shares a story about attempting to purchase a muskox hide beanie.

   • Question 7: Movie Trivia - Hubert the Bloodhound (46:08)
     "What 2000 movie features Hubert the Bloodhound and his owner Harlan Pepper?"
     Correct answer: "Best in Show".
     Brody connects the movie to Christopher Guest’s work.

   • Question 8: Aviation Slang for Biological Remains (50:26)
     "What six-letter term is aviation slang for the biological remains left behind after a bird strikes an aircraft, especially a turbine engine?"
     Correct answer: Snarge.
     Giannis references an interview with Megan Deneen discussing this term.

   • Question 9: Crescent-Shaped Lake in an Abandoned River Channel (53:40)
     "A crescent-shaped lake in an abandoned loop of river channel is called what?"
     Correct answer: Oxbow.
     Brody shares an experience witnessing an oxbow formation on the Eagle River.

   • Question 10: Bagnell Dam and the Famous Body of Water (56:10)
     "Bagnell Dam was built across the Osage River to make this famous body of water."
     Correct answer: Lake of the Ozarks.
     Giannis discusses a world record catch at Lake of the Ozarks.

6. Scoreboard Updates and Tiebreaker (52:58 - 67:11)

   • Throughout the game, Phil provides real-time scoreboard updates, noting the progression of scores among participants.
   • As the game concludes, a tiebreaker is initiated between Spencer Newhart and Cal Roman.
   • Spencer Newhart emerges victorious with a score of 6 points, earning the $500 donation.
   • Riva chooses to donate to the North American Sturgeon and Paddlefish Society, emphasizing the importance of preserving these species.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Giannis Patelis (00:48):
  "It's a MeatEater trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins."

• Spencer Newhart (33:30):
  "You learn a lot. Shoot more, shoot more often."

• Cal Roman (35:35):
  "Have you hunted all four of these?"

• Giannis Patelis (43:00):
  "The correct answer is snarge."

• Riva (65:08):
  "I'm going to donate to the North American Sturgeon and Paddlefish Society."

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Conclusion

Episode 684 of The MeatEater Podcast delivers an engaging blend of outdoor knowledge and friendly competition through its MeatEater Trivia CLVIII segment. Host Giannis Patelis successfully fosters a fun and informative environment, encouraging participants to showcase their expertise in hunting, fishing, conservation, and cooking. With Spencer Newhart securing the win, the episode underscores MeatEater's dedication to supporting conservation efforts, ensuring that the natural world remains rich and vibrant for future generations.

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Transcript

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[Giannis Patelis]

It's a Meat Eater podcast. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I'm your host, Giannis Botelis. The says Spencer Newhart.

[Spencer Newhart]

I noticed that too.

[Giannis Patelis]

Sorry, we're not gonna start again. I'm still Giannis Patelis. And today we're joined by Spencer Randall Brody, Cal Roman Reeva, and Eric Hamburg. Eric, this is your first time on the show. Tell folks what you do here at Meat Eater.

[Eric Hamburg]

I work at the Meat Eater store in downtown and I go to college at Montana State.

[Cal Roman]

You grow a lot of hair, too.

[Eric Hamburg]

It looks like that's what I'm known for. Yep.

[Brody]

I was wondering if it was one of those hats that just has the hair. Wondering where you can find one?

[Eric Hamburg]

Yeah, the first time. The first time Steve met me, he referred to me as the kid that needed a haircut.

[Reva]

That's devastating.

[Giannis Patelis]

Are you old enough to be dating? Yeah.

[Cal Roman]

Yes, you are.

[Giannis Patelis]

Do you feel like the hair helps you in the in dating world or the other direction?

[Eric Hamburg]

I've had the same girlfriend for almost two years and she has curly hair, too, so I'd say it helped.

[Spencer Newhart]

Okay, nice.

[Reva]

What age do you think you need to be to start dating, Yanni?

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, I don't know. Somewhere in early to mid high school, I guess.

[Reva]

Okay, so college.

[Brody]

So college.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Cal Roman]

He was already telling me the other day to keep my boy away from his daughter and they're like, super young.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, my girls like to talk about boys. I don't know if your boys like to talk about girls. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right.

[Reva]

Eric said they listened to. They put all the trivias on the TV at the store and he said it's usually a pretty poor performance. Though who's the best at the store?

[Eric Hamburg]

I'd say Cade. We had high hopes for Cade and he showed up.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, he got four but strong start.

[Eric Hamburg]

See? We'll see.

[Spencer Newhart]

Made a strong start.

[Giannis Patelis]

How do you usually do. What are your. What's your gut say you're gonna do today?

[Eric Hamburg]

I get a lot of random questions right. Like the ones that people in the store don't get right. I usually get right. But we'll see. I'm known as the slow one in the store, but.

[Reva]

The hairy one and the slow one.

[Spencer Newhart]

A promising.

[Giannis Patelis]

I like a humble fella.

[Spencer Newhart]

A promising resume.

[Giannis Patelis]

This is a 10 round quiz show with questions from meat eaters. Four verticals which are hunting, fishing, conservation and cooking. And there's a prize. Meat eater will donate $500 to the Conservation organization of the winner's choosing. Now on to stats for the stat of the week. We're looking at scores from previous times I hosted the first two times, the average player score was 3.3. Those hard questions, the average winning score was 6. But last time I hosted, the average player score was 4.4 and the winning score was 9.

[Reva]

What do you think the winning score will be today? You said there's no Jennifer index.

[Giannis Patelis]

No, but man, I really felt like I was. I was trying to. I almost went 100% multiple choice.

[Reva]

Oh, yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

To really make it just nothing but softballs. You'd always have one out of four chance.

[Spencer Newhart]

You know, you wanted the smartest class in the school, man, the saw.

[Cal Roman]

I don't know if the multiple choice is like an automatic softball unless you wrote them that well.

[Giannis Patelis]

It makes you feel good though. I feel like playing. You're like, I got one out of four right. No one has to show a blank board.

[Cal Roman]

Like, I feel like Spencer used to write the multiple choice question as a softball. But I don't think that's the case anymore.

[Reva]

That's. It's usually the last question to come in a script. And so if I need a harder question in there, then there you go, then it's harder. And if it's an easy round or excuse me, if it's a hard round, then I'll make it easier. So.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, I wrote this whole thing between the hours of like midnight and nine today. So I don't have all that. I'm kidding. But I still didn't write it quite as detailed as Spencer would have. All right, on to ifaq, which stands for infrequently asked questions segment. Or as I refer to it, the Spencer wants to talk about a subject but is unsure if the crew will think it's cool segment. If you have a trivia related question for our crew, send it to trivia themeateer.com with the subject line if a Q in caps ifa Q. But don't get your hopes up because unless Spencer also is interested in your question, we're probably not going to air it.

[Reva]

Well, one a week. One a week.

[Giannis Patelis]

So this question comes from Bob Burns, probably a name Spencer made up on episode 653. You have a question about military land? I am active duty at Fort Stewart and was wondering if anyone at Meat Eater has ever hunted military land. I do often. But was wondering about your take on it.

[Cal Roman]

I have not.

[Giannis Patelis]

No.

[Cal Roman]

You have though, haven't you?

[Giannis Patelis]

No.

[Reva]

Oh, I never have.

[Spencer Newhart]

I never had.

[Cal Roman]

I shouldn't.

[Giannis Patelis]

Well, yeah, no, no one in here. I have a friend that does a bunch. He's actually, he's also stationed at a. At a. I don't know if it's called a base or a Ford or whatever but because he knows about the system he's always like oh yeah, I was in Texas hunting this military place installation and we went on a trip in California and hunted. This sounds like there's good opportunities, but no one. Randall, you've never done anything?

[Spencer Newhart]

No, never. I mean I'm familiar with some of the opportunities, but I've never done it myself.

[Reva]

One of the things I'd say as someone who's never hunted it is that there's like a few more hoops to jump through which eliminates some folks from like going through that process. Similar to in Montana you have private land that becomes public access through the BMA program. And there's two types and one type requires more legwork than the other one and that one tends to keep more people out and I'm sure military ground is the same way, just be my guess.

[Giannis Patelis]

Anybody else got anything to say about that?

[Spencer Newhart]

Cal, you're a well traveled fellow. I've well versed in all.

[Brody]

Probably a lot of people who have hunted Montana have hunted on military land. It just isn't a full functioning base anymore.

[Giannis Patelis]

I heard about one recently in Montana, but I'm not going to mention it for fear of blowing up a spot.

[Brody]

Yeah, I wouldn't do that either. Yeah, no, there, there's. We got quite a ways down the permissions rabbit hole to hunt on the military installation in Guam last year.

[Giannis Patelis]

Wow.

[Brody]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

What were you gonna hunt there?

[Brody]

So we were gonna hunt pigs. And what do they have there? A fallow deer? No. What's the yeah, maybe it is a fallow deer. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. Real easy to do with archery equipment. You definitely gotta jump through some more hoops and. And then, you know. So like ibex did Steve do on base?

[Giannis Patelis]

He didn't.

[Brody]

He did off base. Or oryx.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, he was off.

[Brody]

One thing that you have to do is you have to take an ordinance test so you can be like, oh, that's ordinance on the ground. I need to tell people where it is and avoid it. It's a little test.

[Giannis Patelis]

Ooh, that's spooky.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, a little bit of a hoop.

[Giannis Patelis]

Don't walk around in the dark. Oh, look, another ifaq. This one sent in from Albert Gallatin.

[Phil]

Huh?

[Spencer Newhart]

Secretary of the Treasury.

[Reva]

Wow. I don't know.

[Giannis Patelis]

It's almost like someone just made this up. Al asks, are you guys going to have any new cooking content soon? I haven't seen a good cooking show since. Pardon my plate.

[Phil]

That one was okay.

[Giannis Patelis]

Thanks, Bill. Just so happens, Al, that. Yeah. We just released the first episode of a new show called Meat Eater Roast where we have a couple of our very own every day Wild Game culinary enthusiasts.

[Reva]

I heard you insult Brody with that term.

[Giannis Patelis]

Well, no, I changed it to he now is approving. If you.

[Reva]

What did you say before?

[Giannis Patelis]

Would you say I was calling them ordinary.

[Spencer Newhart]

Ordinary.

[Giannis Patelis]

Ordinary cooks in the kitchen. But they compete against each other. They have an unknown chunk of Wild Game to cook in a short amount of time. And then we have a couple judges who sort of roast them, help them along. The first episode just aired was Cal V. Brody and we had Jesse Griffiths and Rinella judging. And so far it's been. Feedback's been great on it.

[Reva]

So what day of the week these drop?

[Giannis Patelis]

No idea.

[Brody]

Thursday. You are the host of YouTube, Spencer. Just get on YouTube.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, the first one dropped, but now I've heard that there aren't. Are the forthcoming ones are being pushed a little ways until we figure out some sponsorship maybe about who. Who wants to attach their name to this fine show.

[Spencer Newhart]

No one's going to want to sponsor my episode.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, no. It's going to be the hottest one. Are you kidding me?

[Brody]

I heard from several people in the room that having nothing, nobody mentioned the cooking at all, but they. They all mentioned the fun.

[Reva]

Oh, me and Randall's episode, we. We set a beer drinking record that episode for Meat Eater Roast.

[Spencer Newhart]

I don't think we should brag about that because it really wasn't that many beers.

[Reva]

We can break that record next time we're on there again.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, goodness. So yeah. Go to our YouTube channel and check.

[Reva]

Out Meat Eater Roasts first episode at Cal V. Brody.

[Giannis Patelis]

That's right. We'll have more coming soon. All right, for today's housekeeping, I'm going to throw it to Spencer for the announcement he teased last week.

[Reva]

Spencer, we have a new game on our website. If you're familiar with our website, you might know that we have crossword puzzles that come out every Wednesday. And they are crossword puzzles from the meater universe that cover topics like hunting, fishing, the outdoors, national parks, conservation, wild game, things like that. And you compete against Randall in those crossword puzzles. We have a new game. It's going to come out every single Monday. It's called Meat Eater Turtle. It's a lot like Wordle, but it's better. Meat Eater Turtle has a five letter word that you get six tries to solve. It will give you help along the way. If your letter is yellow, that means you have the right letter in the wrong spot. If it's green, you have the right letter in the right spot. If it's gray, then that letter is not in the word at all. And this is a way to give another game to people who share our dictionary as outdoorsmen. So comes out every single Monday. Giannis is the person that you're going to be competing against in Meat Eater Turtle. But for the first one, which comes out April 7, the whole crew is going to play that one. We're going to reveal their scores on an upcoming episode of Media to Radio and you'll see if you can beat them. That first category is an animal. It's a five letter word word. That's an animal. Go play it the meater.com games.

[Brody]

Did you see the flaw I found?

[Reva]

Cal sent a screenshot that it didn't accept Oscar. It doesn't like proper nouns, but I would argue with the game on on your behalf, Cal, that Oscar is also a fish.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah.

[Reva]

So it should have taken that very.

[Brody]

Relevant fish because it's a invasive in a lot of areas. Great aquarium fish, spearfish. Oh, that's the problem.

[Spencer Newhart]

It's a great.

[Brody]

Used to be a great aquarium and people let it go.

[Reva]

So that's, that's one help. That'll be one hint for you playing Meat Eater Turtle.

[Brody]

Don't, don't.

[Reva]

Don't put in their Oscar.

[Brody]

Oscar.

[Reva]

And don't put in other proper nouns and don't.

[Giannis Patelis]

When you're done with your Oscars, don't just chuck them out into the wild where you've been testing the game on others. Besides Me. Where have I been stacking up?

[Reva]

We're going to reveal that on an upcoming episode of Meteor radio. The whole, the whole crew. We're going to have 10 scores revealed how everybody did See.

[Giannis Patelis]

Now the fact that it's within our universe hasn't really been helping me. I still play it like I would play wordle.

[Reva]

Okay, that could be one strategy for you.

[Spencer Newhart]

I, I, I, I beg to differ.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, it might be different for you.

[Spencer Newhart]

When you have a category that's animals and you have five letters, you think of as many five letter animals.

[Reva]

That's right.

[Giannis Patelis]

Well, I guess it depends. Is it, is it rating you on speed or.

[Reva]

Tries spe and tries things.

[Brody]

Randall's trying. Do you think those markers are free, young man?

[Spencer Newhart]

This one's getting.

[Brody]

Why don't you, why don't you just use all of it right now? Messing with your name.

[Giannis Patelis]

He likes the smell of them.

[Brody]

Show everybody what you're doing.

[Spencer Newhart]

I paid the bills around this place.

[Reva]

So one more time go to theme eater.com games. You'll have turtle on Mondays, crosswords on Wednesdays.

[Spencer Newhart]

Thanks for all the fun you bring into our lives, Spencer.

[Reva]

Thank you.

[Brody]

Randall.

[Giannis Patelis]

We're on to question one.

[Reva]

Oh, you gotta tell. Tell him to play the drop.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, play the drop. He said he was ready.

[Phil]

Yeah, I lied to you. Hold on a second. Here we go.

[Giannis Patelis]

We can't have it without this.

[Reva]

Look, I need to know what I stand to win.

[Giannis Patelis]

Everything. How's that?

[Eric Hamburg]

You stand to win everything. Game on, suckers.

[Giannis Patelis]

Question 1. Blends hunting and conservation. According to the Boone and Crockett Club, what is the average inside spread of a typical Boone and Crockett mule deer buck? Is it 21, 22, 23 or 24 inches? Now, I rounded this up to the nearest whole number because the answer actually has a fraction next to it. I don't think that's going to help you guys, but I just wanted to be clear on that again. The question is, according to the Boone and Crockett Club, what is the average inside spread of a typical Boone and Crockett mule deer buck? Is it 21, 22, 23 or 24 inches?

[Reva]

Brody, have you ever killed a Boone or Muley one?

[Giannis Patelis]

No.

[Reva]

Do you know it spread?

[Giannis Patelis]

Which one?

[Cal Roman]

That one from a long time ago in Colorado. That real heavy one. It's a minimum, you know? Yeah, the minimum.

[Reva]

Do you know it's spread not.

[Cal Roman]

It didn't make. It's not very wide.

[Reva]

No. Okay.

[Cal Roman]

It's like massive long tines.

[Giannis Patelis]

Cal's got a record to show that.

[Brody]

When Brody did his hand mass measurement, it was like larger than a Stanley Thermos.

[Cal Roman]

I'll bring it in, show you. It's like baseball bats, man. That's what got it over the edge.

[Brody]

Louisville Slugger diameter.

[Giannis Patelis]

You killed one with your dad about that same time period.

[Cal Roman]

No, my dad killed one.

[Giannis Patelis]

No, that's what I mean. Sorry. Like you were with your dad when he killed one giant. That was about. That was probably a minimum too, right?

[Cal Roman]

No, that one, that one my dad killed was over 200.

[Reva]

Whoa.

[Giannis Patelis]

Did you.

[Cal Roman]

I was a. Yeah, I was mad.

[Reva]

That's good. I'd like to hear about that buck after this show.

[Cal Roman]

Oh, sure.

[Giannis Patelis]

Does everybody have an answer?

[Brody]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. Roman going 22 inches. Cal, 22. 2, 22. Eric. 23. Randall. 23. Spencer. 24. Reva, 22. Brody. 22. We do have one correct answer.

[Brody]

24.

[Giannis Patelis]

To be exact, it is 2378. Oh, so Spencer is the only correct answer. 24. I spoke with Jennifer Statin of Boone and Crockett and asked her what the average width was. She took data from 21 states to find this number. Interestingly, the average inside spread of a non typical from the out of the same Data set was 23, 4 8. That's 3, 8 shorter than the typical.

[Reva]

There are 21 states that have Boone and Crockett mule deer entries correct.

[Giannis Patelis]

Amando?

[Brody]

There are. Yeah. I find that still to this day people measure the outside spread of a mule deer.

[Giannis Patelis]

Listen. But when I first started scoring anything, I was measuring inside and outside and applying both those numbers.

[Cal Roman]

Like a buck has a six inch tangle.

[Spencer Newhart]

You probably had a line of people standing outside your house getting you to measure.

[Reva]

I. I went with 24 because we went with to the. The antler King collection in three fourths. What was his. Was it the antler king or was it something.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh boy, I don't remember.

[Reva]

But he's got like one of the world's biggest collection of antlers in that whole dang shed. I think he said he had two muleys that went Boone and Crockett. And there were some giant muleys in there.

[Phil]

Jim. Jim's horn house.

[Reva]

There you go.

[Phil]

I think Jim has since passed a.

[Brody]

Mule deer buck alive rutting a dough this year that had split his skull plate. And so his.

[Cal Roman]

He has wide rag.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Brody]

Literally as one antler was hanging down Rumpalo buck. And I was like, I should shoot that thing because the inside spread on that thing's probably 30 inches.

[Reva]

That'd be good.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, right. But when you score them, the inside spread can't exceed the length of the longest main beam.

[Cal Roman]

And I think it wouldn't count if his was broken. The skull plate.

[Brody]

I think it has to.

[Reva]

I think that'd be hard to argue. I don't know.

[Giannis Patelis]

It would depend on if it's still broken or if it's been fused.

[Brody]

I watched him. It wasn't flopping, so. Yep.

[Giannis Patelis]

Man, a lot to unpack with that story. All right, we're on to question two. This one also falls into hunting. Which camouflage first appeared on First Lights, hunting clothing.

[Reva]

Do you know this, Cal?

[Brody]

I damn sure better.

[Giannis Patelis]

Which camouflage first appeared on first lights clothing? So what I'm looking for is, like, what camouflage pattern was the first one that first slide ever used? I remember it. Reva, what's so funny about that question?

[Brody]

This is something that I should at least have some answer for.

[Spencer Newhart]

No, Right? You really shouldn't.

[Giannis Patelis]

I mean, no, you know, some, but.

[Spencer Newhart]

This is pattern for your time.

[Brody]

Are you saying you can't name a single camouflage pattern? Is that what you're saying?

[Giannis Patelis]

Well, I just thought of one.

[Brody]

Okay, great. So I wrote.

[Reva]

Oh, there you go.

[Brody]

Yeah, that was the hang up.

[Reva]

So do you have this one right? California.

[Brody]

I. I know exactly what's right.

[Reva]

Okay.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, I was gonna say this is sort of a.

[Reva]

This is a bone for Cal.

[Spencer Newhart]

This is a bone for the.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, geez.

[Spencer Newhart]

The first employee of First Light.

[Giannis Patelis]

I didn't know that he was gonna. Well, and I guess it was in. In the script here that I did know that Cal was gonna be here.

[Cal Roman]

But old pair of bibs in this stuff, and I still can't remember what it's called.

[Giannis Patelis]

Like, this is interesting timing as camo's coming back in the fashion world. I'm seeing this pattern, the one I've written down. Hold on, it's just coming back now. Where have you been, Roman?

[Cal Roman]

This one's very fashionable too.

[Giannis Patelis]

Brody, do you have something written down?

[Cal Roman]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, okay. Does everybody have an answer? Go ahead and reveal your answers.

[Reva]

Oh, I got it.

[I]

Right.

[Giannis Patelis]

Roman. Cal. Say asap. Eric. Mossy Oak. Randall. Asat. Spencer. Bottomlands, which is a Mossy Oak pattern. Riva Cash, which is the First Light pattern? Brody. Asat. The correct answer is asat. Asat, which stands for all season. All terrain was First Lights, first camel pattern. I texted with Kenton Carruth, one of First Light's founders, to make sure I had this right. I asked him, why asap? He replied, well, we liked ASAP and Predator the best. And ASAT called us back first. That's how it happens when you're a young company.

[Reva]

Is ASAT the one that just looks like branches? Kind of.

[Giannis Patelis]

It's just like, it's almost like a. Yeah, some people would say almost.

[Spencer Newhart]

It's like three colors.

[Brody]

A bad tribal tattoo was often described.

[Reva]

Sure.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah. You're just gonna go hide in a cattail marsh.

[Spencer Newhart]

In the summer of 2011, I placed an order for a bunch of first light product in Realtree, I believe. And I got a call saying, hey, all that stuff is out of stock, but what you're gonna want is this ace hat stuff.

[Cal Roman]

Was Cal on the other end of.

[Spencer Newhart]

The line and he said, he said, oh, I see her in Missoula. I used to live in Missoula. I said, oh, cool. And then years later I remembered that.

[Reva]

Was Cal at a hot dog stand.

[Spencer Newhart]

No, no, we met, we introduced ourselves the first time at a hot dog stand.

[Reva]

Okay.

[Giannis Patelis]

I'm personally a big fan of asat, and I think that the pattern suffered from simply not being hip enough to the human eye, where a lot of other patterns that do not break you up as well as ASAP does. Does don't work in the variety of terrains that ASAP does have sold way more items of clothing, whatever that's been put on, because we as humans just like it better.

[Brody]

You used to say fashion over function.

[Giannis Patelis]

I'm a function guy. I, I, I would use it if it was still available.

[Reva]

Yeah, it's like fishing lures that, that catch fishermen, not fish.

[I]

I'm telling you, man, there's nothing quite like. It gives me chubby just thinking about it. You hit the call, and way off in the distance, a tom fires back. You work him in, watching his body language shift from cautious to committed. Then that moment, the one every turkey hunter dreams about all winter. Zach Gobbler locks eyes on your decoy and comes running in. And if you're using the right decoy, you don't need to then settle for a 40 yard nervous shot. Because with the right decoy, you can get that bird in your lap, putting on a wild, aggressive turkey show. I mean, I'm talking where he's fighting the decoy. I've had him sitting there trying to mate with the decoy. It's the best thing in the world. But to pull it off, you need realism like you need decoys that don't just fool turkeys at a distance. You want a decoy that fools him when he's up there at point blank range beating the snot out of it. That is why Die Hard Turkey hunters insist on Dave Smith decoys. Their unmatched realism fools even the wariest of toms into thinking they're staring and fighting a real bird. And unlike inflatable decoys that crumble when shot, DSDs are built tough. They last season after season, even if you screw up and put a little TSS into one of them. To top it all off, every DSD turkey decoy is made right here in the good old US of A. Made in America. Check out the full lineup at Dave Smith decoys.com and take your turkey hunts to the next level.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, on to question number three. A brace of birds is how many. So I'm asking you to tell me how many birds would be in a brace of birds.

[Reva]

What's the category?

[Giannis Patelis]

Hunting. Interesting. I thought this would be a little bit.

[Cal Roman]

I thought so too.

[Giannis Patelis]

Brody never. Brody had it very quickly. You've never heard the term brace?

[Reva]

No.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh.

[Spencer Newhart]

I've heard it.

[Giannis Patelis]

Riva.

[Brody]

Nope.

[Giannis Patelis]

Cal certainly has, the upland hunter that he is.

[Brody]

Oh, yeah, but I didn't know that. Yeah, I don't know what it is.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, gosh. This one has actually. I've kicked it down the. I have a little notes thing in my phone with all my trivia questions and when they come to me, I pop them in there. And I've kicked this one down before because I thought everybody's gonna know this one. So I'm glad I pulled it out.

[Cal Roman]

I like it.

[Giannis Patelis]

Again, question three, A brace of birds is how many less.

[Cal Roman]

I have it wrong.

[Reva]

Good on you, Yanni. Saying the question again. Oh, that's good hosting.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, thank you. I like feedback from hosting. So listeners out there, you know, in the comments, throw it down. No. Logan Williamson took the time to send me a quick text and say that he thought that last week's Media Radio Live was well hosted. I was very appreciative.

[Reva]

Oh, now I'm offended. But Logan's never texted me there.

[Giannis Patelis]

Well, yeah, but you set the bar, you know, and so it's hard to.

[Reva]

Be a. Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

I just had a. I just had a shining moment, you know.

[Reva]

Okay, good clapping.

[Giannis Patelis]

Roman going to say we get a decent amount of emails talking about hosts, but I don't know if I should share that feedback. Uhoh. All right, does everybody have an answer? Those of you that are going to have one, go ahead and reveal them, please. Roman, 18. Cal, three. Eric, four. Randall, three. Spencer, two. Reva, 20. Brody, two. We do have two correct answers. The answer is two.

[Brody]

That's why I had it written down first. But that doesn't make any sense.

[Giannis Patelis]

Now. I couldn't really find any interesting flavor text about a brace of birds, although the term is commonly used in conjunction with the process of hanging birds, specifically pheasants. And what I found too, that is that often a brace is not only a pair, but that it would be one female and one male, which really wouldn't happen in our country much with pheasants. I guess if you're maybe on a game farm, you can shoot them there. But Hank Shaw wrote a great article on hanging birds on his website, Hunt, Gather, cook. His takeaway hanging works. You're going to get awesome meats, awesome skin. You just got to do it right. Three to seven days at 50 to 55 degrees.

[Cal Roman]

Guts in or out?

[Giannis Patelis]

Guts in.

[Reva]

Is this exclusive to upland or would you be like a brace of mallards came into the decoys.

[Giannis Patelis]

You can use it for waterfowl.

[Reva]

Okay, how about turkeys? Like a brace of braceletons?

[Giannis Patelis]

I mean, I don't see what basically the definition was. Any, any bird that was shot for like sport or food where I've heard.

[Cal Roman]

It often is like, I brought home a brace of birds.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newhart]

Brace of pheasants.

[Giannis Patelis]

There you go.

[Brody]

I don't like the guts in.

[Cal Roman]

Neither do I. Not with shotgun pellets. Busted up guts.

[Brody]

That's the problem is as. That as things start to break down, which the whole point of. Of hanging is, you know, like letting that carcass start to degrade. If you have a little pathway created by a pellet that goes from, you know, the good thigh meat or from the. The breast meat into the body cavity, the pressure of that bird breaking down even at 50 degrees is going to get that stomach juice up into that meat and render it inedible.

[Giannis Patelis]

I agree.

[Brody]

I pull the guts out.

[Giannis Patelis]

There you go. Appreciate the input, Cal. Pull. He's. Cal says pull the guts out. All right, on to question four. This one is also in the hunting category. What does the acronym DOPE stand for when used in shooting? Randall, as I thought would be quick to write an answer.

[Reva]

I think we've had this question before.

[Phil]

I. I really don't think we have, Spencer.

[Giannis Patelis]

Nah, we'll be fine.

[Phil]

Spreadsheet.

[Reva]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

We're still having fun, right?

[Reva]

That's right.

[Giannis Patelis]

Roman's thinking. Cal's thinking.

[Spencer Newhart]

What does the acronym dope when used in shooting stand for?

[Giannis Patelis]

Thanks, Randall.

[Spencer Newhart]

I got some real. The first time I hosted writing, I saw a lot of really nasty comments about how I didn't repeat the questions. Oh yeah, they said, how stupid do you have to be to not read them twice.

[Phil]

I just. I just command after the spreadsheet. Spencer and I did not find anything.

[Cal Roman]

Okay, I have no idea what this is.

[Reva]

Oh, maybe it's appeared in a crossword. Maybe that's could be why I know I've read it somewhere. Next week Randall is hosting. So if yes, give some feedback to him too.

[Spencer Newhart]

Prime your feedback.

[Reva]

That's right.

[Giannis Patelis]

And now Randall, my flavor text is basically throwing this to you. So you have now a few seconds to prepare as we wait for the rest of these folks to write their answers.

[Cal Roman]

So you wrote the question knowing he would get it right and have something to say about it?

[Giannis Patelis]

Heck yeah. Look how.

[Cal Roman]

Well I don't know about that. Spencer, what's.

[Spencer Newhart]

What's your surreal three dimensional chess he's playing here?

[Reva]

I mean it's better than asking about first lights versus camel pattern to the first lights first employee.

[Cal Roman]

Yeah, you got one in there. Like what is my second son's middle name?

[Giannis Patelis]

Not quite. I wouldn't know that one.

[Cal Roman]

I know, but you should ask it.

[Reva]

Yanni and Randall gracious enough to host for me because I have some deadlines coming up. One of them was meat eater Turtle. So please again go play that. We, we worked hard on this is it. You'll enjoy it.

[Cal Roman]

Is it turtle as in the animal or turdle?

[Reva]

Turtle is in the animal should be turd.

[Spencer Newhart]

So if you like turtle but you don't like me hosting, it's just called even.

[Giannis Patelis]

There you go. All right, does everybody have an answer? That is gonna have an answer. Roman shaking his head no. Go ahead and reveal your answers for the acronym dope. Roman says degrees of elevation. CAL says develop of projectile eject. Eric, data of precise question mark. Randall, data on previous engagements. Spencer, data on previous engagement. Riva dial optics. Peep. I like it. Brody, drop of projectile energy. We do have a couple correct answers in the room. It is data on previous engagements. Randall, what do you know about dope?

[Spencer Newhart]

Well, yeah.

[Brody]

Is it based off your previous engagement?

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, yeah. I mean traditionally. So now it's just like a shorthand for any sort of ballistic information. But you know, if you are a serious shooter, you write down what your bullet is doing at any. In any given conditions at any given distance and then you have a record of that. So kids out there don't just trust your phone. If you're going to shoot something at 350 yards, you should have shot a target at 350 yards already. And then you can rely on data from previous engagements rather than just some Number on your phone is being able.

[Cal Roman]

To hit a paper plate at 50 yards.

[Giannis Patelis]

Dope.

[Spencer Newhart]

Nope, nope. Going good enough is not dope.

[Giannis Patelis]

Well, I would say that it is.

[Reva]

Because you know data.

[Spencer Newhart]

You know that you can hit a paper plate of 50 yards.

[Cal Roman]

That was our dope back in the day. Day.

[Reva]

Yeah, I mean, I think the day before the season.

[Spencer Newhart]

I think dope is important because people say dope when they just pull numbers off their phone. But if you've never shot at that distance, you don't actually have real data. It's all hypothetical until lead is in the air.

[Reva]

So.

[Giannis Patelis]

And I think you make a really good point about verifying. Even in the apps you have to verify. You can't just go and trust the numbers off the box. Or even if you get the velocity. Like anytime we do that, we then take it out to 500 yards and shoot. And rarely is it spot on. You're still going to make a fine adjustment either to BC or to velocity or whatever it might be to really dial it in.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah. And. And I like to shoot a group at 800 yards and see what it's actually like. Shooting once at 800 yards, you might be in your zone of comfort, but if you shoot three, and this one happens to be top left and the other two are down here, your actual point of impact for your group is off your target. So shoot a lot, shoot often, and pay attention to what you see on the target. Don't just wing it.

[Giannis Patelis]

I used to have that scribbled down on a piece of paper that was stuck on a bulletin board. It said, like, shoot more, shoot more often.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, you learn a lot.

[Giannis Patelis]

It's good for you. All right, on to question 5. Still stuck in the hunting category. Rate these 4 states non resident whitetail deer buck tag prices from most expensive to cheapest. Oklahoma, Ohio, Iowa and Missouri. Again, it's not really a question. Rate these four states, non resident whitetail deer buck tax.

[Cal Roman]

Have you hunted all four of these?

[Reva]

I have hunted zero of those, but I'm familiar with all four.

[Cal Roman]

You haven't hunted Iowa?

[Reva]

No, I have points. It's on my 2027 docket.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, I have points too.

[Reva]

When are you going?

[Giannis Patelis]

Maybe we could go together.

[Reva]

Nah.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay.

[Brody]

Where are we going?

[Reva]

How many points do you have and.

[Spencer Newhart]

Is it a pricing proposition?

[Giannis Patelis]

I'm at four.

[Reva]

Yeah, we're different categories. You have more than me. Plus, I imagine you're going to want to do an archery rod hunt, and I'm probably going to want to do like a December gun hunt.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, I Could be persuaded.

[Reva]

Okay, let's figure it out after this.

[Giannis Patelis]

Again, the question 5 is Rate these four states non resident whitetail deer buck tag prices from most expensive to cheapest. Oklahoma, Ohio, Iowa and Missouri. Does everybody have these four states listed in order from most expensive to cheapest whitetail deer buck tag, non resident prices.

[Phil]

I'm trying to use my data and.

[Giannis Patelis]

Experience from people that have written in from our meat eater community. What do they write in about complaining about how non resident prices are out of control?

[Brody]

Yeah, I mean, if Montana was on that list, wouldn't be your classic whitetail state, but it would be right. By far and away for a deer tag, right?

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Cal Roman]

Unless you count some of these. Wyoming's special tag.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, let's not talk.

[Reva]

I. I wrote down my guess for the price of the tag.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, good. All right.

[Reva]

Some of these states have a reputation reveal.

[Giannis Patelis]

Your answer is upside down.

[Brody]

Because I wrote it down. Didn't want to rewrite.

[Giannis Patelis]

But it's backwards too. You expect me. Ohio, Iowa.

[Brody]

What was the other one? Oklahoma and Missouri. So Missouri is the cheapest.

[Giannis Patelis]

Missouri is the cheapest. Ohio is the most expensive. Roman much more legibly wrote out Iowa, Oklahoma, Ohio, Missouri. Randall. Iowa, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ohio. Spencer. Oklahoma, Iowa, Ohio, Missouri. Reva. Iowa, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma. Brody. Iowa, Oklahoma, Missouri, Ohio.

[Spencer Newhart]

What are you doing to my boy here?

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, did I skip you?

[Eric Hamburg]

Eric might be too short.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay. Maybe your board might have been behind your hair. Eric wrote down Iowa, Ohio, Missouri, Oklahoma. I believe, Phil, we have one correct answer.

[Phil]

We have one correct answer.

[Giannis Patelis]

It is Oklahoma, Iowa, Ohio, Missouri.

[Phil]

Spencer Newhart's got it correct.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oklahoma came in at $708, followed by Iowa at 644, Ohio 400 and Missouri at 288. I was surprised to read how many states have whitetail deer tags. Over 500. I'm used to paying 200 in Wisconsin, which is now I feel like a heck of a deal.

[Reva]

And is that. Is that like a benefit of being.

[Giannis Patelis]

No, no, that's just standard price. Montana, like cal was saying 759.

[Brody]

The other fun thing though is like in Oklahoma, that's three deer. I think you get one buck and two does with that purchase.

[Giannis Patelis]

So true that you. Yeah. Amongst all this stuff, there's a lot of different variances about how many deer you might.

[Reva]

Well, you're also required to like have a small game license and something.

[Giannis Patelis]

I tried to master that in price for the prices, like what it would minimum take to go hunting. And that's. This is what I came up with.

[Brody]

How many deer can you shoot in Missouri with a deer. It's just a deer license, right? Or do you have a tag?

[Giannis Patelis]

I. I'm not familiar enough, but they.

[Reva]

Have a reputation for some of the cheapest tags. I meant Ohio.

[Giannis Patelis]

The cheapest one I could find was Pennsylvania.

[Cal Roman]

That's right. 100 bucks.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah. Like a couple dollars over a hundred. Incredible.

[Cal Roman]

And that's too choos a bunch of.

[Reva]

Other stuff that's too cheap.

[Giannis Patelis]

I'd say, man, they're like, come on down.

[Cal Roman]

They have a million resident hunters. So I just don't. It's like, you know what I mean?

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, they're not looking at it like as a real source of revenue because people are like, they're like, they're like, buyer beware. One last thing here. If you're looking to get the best bang for your buck when heading out of state to hunt whitetails, retolding Peterson's article how to find the best value in non resident whitetail tags atthe meat eater.com. all right, that was question five. So now we have a scoreboard update. Phil. Yeah. I'm excited to see this. Spencer seems to do pretty good when I host. He does.

[Phil]

I would call it suspicious, but I know he has not seen the question.

[Giannis Patelis]

All right, still without a correct answer, we have Reva and Eric.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay.

[Phil]

Go and take it away.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, sorry. That's fine.

[Phil]

I don't care.

[Giannis Patelis]

This is the opportunity for you to.

[Reva]

Sit back, Yanni, and let it grill.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Cal Roman]

Have a drink of water.

[Phil]

I mean, from what I heard that that sounded great. Better than what I do. Eric and Riva yet to make it on the board with zero points. Coming up next to Roman and Cal with one point a piece. Our usual champs, Randall and Brody are tied up in. Well, I remember. I remember the Spencer where there was an argument. I said I would say tied up in second place. They're actually tied up in third place. And then in first place when they have two points apiece. And in first place, two points ahead of them is Spencer Newharth of four points.

[Cal Roman]

That was with Randall having a question written specifically for him.

[Spencer Newhart]

I think we're tied.

[Brody]

That's a good point. For second.

[Giannis Patelis]

No.

[Phil]

I got yelled at by someone online and I looked it up. Like if you have someone in first place and then the next people that.

[Spencer Newhart]

Are down, see, I think we're tied for second, but Roman and Cal are tied for fourth.

[Reva]

I agree.

[Cal Roman]

What do they do in the Olympics when someone ties?

[Brody]

I don't want you to tie.

[Phil]

It's the way I just explained it.

[Cal Roman]

That's what I thought.

[Phil]

Hey, everyone. Phil the engineer here piping in before I get yelled at by strangers on the Internet to say that, yes, as per usual, Randall Williams is right, and I am, as they say, a big dumb idiot. Randall and Brody are tied up in second place. Then it skips a spot. Roman and Cal are tied up in fourth. Just to clarify these very important details. Now back to the show.

[Giannis Patelis]

I agree with Brody. Phil's right.

[Phil]

Thank you.

[Giannis Patelis]

All right, Phil helped me a little bit on this question.

[Spencer Newhart]

All good work, Phil.

[Phil]

Barely.

[Giannis Patelis]

Question number six could also kind of fall into conservation, but it's a hunting question. Qiviut is the soft underwool of what animal?

[Reva]

Randall, it's hunting or conservation.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know.

[Spencer Newhart]

It's the same category we've been in the whole time. Spencer, back off.

[Giannis Patelis]

It doesn't have to be a dead animal.

[Cal Roman]

It's actually textiles is the category.

[Giannis Patelis]

The question again, is qiviut spelled Q I, V, I, u, T. That's good. Hosting is the soft underwool of what animal? Spencer, do you have an answer?

[Reva]

I do.

[Giannis Patelis]

Great.

[Spencer Newhart]

Phil, how'd you help with this one? Is it. Was it a phrasing issue?

[Phil]

It was just like a way. A way. No. I would say. I was going to say.

[Giannis Patelis]

No.

[Phil]

It was a way to phrase the question, which would make it a phrasing issue.

[Brody]

Anybody else get that? The feeling that Spencer is a little overconfident in this game. Almost as if he, like, was like, hey, I need to proof your.

[Giannis Patelis]

That's what it feels like.

[Reva]

Phil funneled me the. The answers.

[Eric Hamburg]

Right.

[Cal Roman]

Although I think Spencer has a very high win ratio because of the very few times that he's played.

[Giannis Patelis]

Looking to add to that, does everybody have an answer? Roman.

[Brody]

He's fine.

[Giannis Patelis]

Go ahead and reveal your answers. Roman says bison. Cal. Muskox. Eric. Dalshi.

[Cal Roman]

Oh, Spencer slipped up.

[Giannis Patelis]

Randall. Muskox. Spencer. Bison. Reva. Sheep. Brody. Muskox. The correct answer is muskox sitting right next to it.

[Cal Roman]

Spencer.

[Brody]

Spencer, Brody's a little fired up.

[Giannis Patelis]

Spencer can actually smell the kid story here. I've been trying to get Steve to harvest the kvi from that muskox hide since the day he shot it. Because when we were on Nunavac to hunt that muskox, the guide had this, like, liner beanie made of kivat, and I've never put on anything softer. It's like cashmere on crack. I hope that's a good analogy. If you've ever touched or had a cashmere sweater, extremely soft and you're on crack?

[Spencer Newhart]

Steroids.

[Giannis Patelis]

Steroids. It's just extremely soft and literally made your head, like, radiate with warmth when you put it on. And I tried to buy it off the guide, and he. And he refused.

[Reva]

What was your offer?

[Giannis Patelis]

I think I offered him, like, 300 bucks. Yeah. Now, listen, if you guys want to hear a longer story about buying hats on Nunavac Island, I'm happy to tell it right now, or we can move on. I'm not watching the. The clock. We're.

[Phil]

We're already past the. The average trivia length.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

[Brody]

On question six, Giannis was the great millinery trader of the north.

[Phil]

So apologies to the listeners for that extra ad break you heard earlier in the show.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, that was question six. On to question seven. Little pop culture for you suckers. What 2000 movie features Hubert the Bloodhound and his owner Harlan Pepper? What 2000 movie features Hubert the Bloodhound? Love this movie. Owner Harlan Pepper. I was hoping we'd have a fan in the room. You'll be able to help me with the flavor text. Is this a movie that would be reviewed in Meteor Radio Live?

[Reva]

Don't give a hint.

[Phil]

Yeah, let's not answer that.

[Brody]

Brody should know this.

[Giannis Patelis]

Randall's writing. Brody does not have an answer. Riva. No.

[Brody]

Nothing. No, this is a great show.

[Giannis Patelis]

It is a great, great movie. Yeah.

[Brody]

Show movie.

[Giannis Patelis]

We just watched great media. We just. We just watched it this weekend with our kids.

[Brody]

Oh, no way. What?

[Giannis Patelis]

The kids think they were into it. It. Well, it's now.

[Reva]

I don't think you'd watch this movie with your kids.

[Brody]

I'm gonna.

[Giannis Patelis]

I'm gonna talk to that point again. The question is, what 2000 movie features Hubert the Bloodhound and his owner, Harlan Pepper? Kids love dogs, especially bloodhounds, and they.

[Brody]

Have a hound in the house. So.

[Giannis Patelis]

Brody, do you need more time?

[Cal Roman]

I have no idea what it is.

[Giannis Patelis]

All right, folks, reveal your answers. Roman still writing. Roman not gonna give me an answer? Where the Red Fern Grows. Cal. Best in show. Eric Fox and the Hound. Randall. Oh, Where Art Thou, Spencer? Patriot Reva. Without an answer. Brody. Green Mile. We do have a correct answer. It is best in show.

[Reva]

Never heard of that. That is a good one.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, you've seen it. Oh, good. I've seen it.

[Brody]

I wasn't even thinking that genre.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, Yeah, I. We watched it with the kids. Everything is cool. Besides the sexual innuendos back in 2000, like, just wasn't a thing that you couldn't do. Those kind of jokes and so it's just constant. Like, you couldn't do comedy without just constant sexual innuendo. So that's a part of it. But the. All the dogs and the characters. Amazing flick. Oh, you want to add anything?

[Brody]

Well, the. The creator, his. His production company is called Pale Morning. Done. He's a big fly fisherman, comes, you know, spends a bunch of time in Montana. So that was kind of like a thing in the fly fishing guiding world is like, you just.

[Phil]

You're talking about Christopher Guest.

[Brody]

Christopher Guest?

[Giannis Patelis]

Really?

[Phil]

I had no idea.

[Brody]

Well, don't you remember the scene where they're talking about flies?

[Giannis Patelis]

He goes. Yeah.

[Phil]

He meets with his crew because he's like the one southern guy on the. Or like the outdoors.

[Giannis Patelis]

He plays Harlan. Yeah, he does.

[Brody]

Yes. He plays Harlan Pepper.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brody]

He's.

[Giannis Patelis]

He's.

[Phil]

It's the same crew that did this is Spinal Tap and Waiting for Guffman.

[Brody]

And a Mighty Wind and Waiting for Guffman's. Absolutely fantastic, too. Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, I don't know. I've seen that one.

[Brody]

Oh, treat yourself.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, I will. That's great, kid. Appropriate. Probably.

[Brody]

You're gonna have the exact same experience.

[Giannis Patelis]

They're. They're all.

[Phil]

They're all like, writing the line between PG 13 and R. I don't think any of them are like that. That bad, though.

[Brody]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

All right, well, Hubert the Bloodhound, remember I sent you. All right, on to question eight.

[Brody]

I've never liked Weimer Reiners, and Best in show is like, just a good example.

[Reva]

Why don't you like them?

[Brody]

They're just not a good dog. Go ahead and write him.

[Cal Roman]

I had some good friends that had a couple of them, and they were just horrible dogs. Dumb, don't listen.

[Brody]

Aggressive in weird ways.

[Giannis Patelis]

Do you know the premise?

[Reva]

Besson show? I assume it's about a dog show.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah. Right. And. But they. They just do this amazing job of taking these dogs and then making these owners slash trainers be like, they are the dog kind of a thing. Like, whatever the dog is. So it's their owner. Handler.

[Brody]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

And it's. Yeah.

[Cal Roman]

The only reason people own those dogs because that dude who featured them in, like, photos, playing poker. Yeah. All kinds of stupid shit. It's like a thing for like a period of years. Like 20, 25 years.

[Giannis Patelis]

Ad break question number. Question number eight. You guys can decide what category?

[Reva]

Conservation.

[Giannis Patelis]

What six letter term is aviation slang for the biological remains left behind after a bird strikes an aircraft, especially a turbine engine? The question is, what six letter term is aviation slang for the biological remains left behind after a bird strikes an aircraft, especially a turbine engine. Got this one, Randall.

[Spencer Newhart]

No, I. I know that I have it in there somewhere and I'm never going to access it, so I just wrote something down.

[Brody]

Reva, you know the lady I'm talking about, she's like super famous now, which is like the way over the top.

[Phil]

Jennifer Coolidge.

[Brody]

Jennifer Coolidge, yes.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Brody]

She's in the Christopher Guest movie.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Eugene Levy and Catherine O'Hara, who are now super famous among young people because of Schitt's Creek. They're. They're in all those movies too.

[Brody]

Yeah. And they're great.

[Eric Hamburg]

Great show. Great show.

[Brody]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newhart]

One for the kids. That's right, the younger generation.

[Reva]

Cal, you were confident. You know this.

[Brody]

Yes.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, God.

[Brody]

Making a late, late game run on Randy.

[Giannis Patelis]

Right?

[Phil]

I know it's getting tense now and.

[Brody]

Typically kind of falls apart under pressure like this. So it's going to be really.

[Giannis Patelis]

This is question eight. How do you guys feel up to this point? Point? Pretty good. Good. The level of questions, the difficulty. Too hard, Too easy.

[Brody]

I just. The real relaxing flow in here right now.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, go ahead, reveal your answers. It's time to hurry up. Roman says snarge. Cal, snarge. Eric without an answer. Randall says slop. Spencer carrying reva sky kill 1L. And Brody says jet sk. The correct answer is snarge. Listen to the Meat eater podcast, episode 417, where we interview Megan Deneen, USDA airport wildlife biologist, about snarge and all the other crazy stuff she deals with in her job.

[Brody]

I thought that was gonna be a gimme. I think. Thought that word made it around the office many, many times.

[Cal Roman]

It's been a while.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah. We didn't keep it in our. Would lexicon be the term?

[Brody]

Good job.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, that was question eight. So now we need a scoreboard update. Phil.

[Phil]

Yeah. Cal is making a late game breakout here. We've still got Eric and Riva with zero points. Roman has two. Brody and Randall tied up still with three points now. But Ryan Callahan has pulled ahead and is now tied with Spencer, who has not gotten a point in the last few questions. He still has four. And now Cal also has four.

[Brody]

I kind of feel like it should be happy, but it's kind of sad watching these two crumble mentally. They just don't have it, you know.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, on to question nine. A crescent shaped lake in an abandoned, abandoned loop of river channel is called what, this one?

[Reva]

I think we have.

[Spencer Newhart]

We have had this one.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, well, you're going to get it again.

[Phil]

I missed that one.

[Giannis Patelis]

Getting it again. A crescent shaped lake in an abandoned loop of river channel is called what?

[Cal Roman]

Not a game changer. Giannis.

[Giannis Patelis]

One, two, three. I don't know. Cal's thing. Did you write an answer? Oh, he's got an answer. Roman not riding Riva. Also not writing. For those of you that are going to have an answer, go ahead and flip your boards around. Cal Oxbow. Randall Oxbow. Spencer Oxbow. Lake. Brody Oxbow. They are correct.

[Phil]

Abandoned by what?

[Cal Roman]

The water gets cut off by.

[Giannis Patelis]

By the rest of the river sediment. Brody, during our guiding days on the Eagle river, actually got to watch one be created. And I swear to you, I was on the. The day that it started, and I floated through a chunk of cottonwoods that the river had never gone through. And it was the wildest thing ever. The people are still like, where should we cast? I'm like, you don't understand. This isn't where we're supposed to be right now. We're floating through the forest as opposed to down the main river channel. Yeah, it was pretty cool.

[Reva]

You think you were the first one through that part of the river?

[Giannis Patelis]

I mean, first 10.

[Cal Roman]

Yeah.

[Giannis Patelis]

Boats that ever went through there, for sure. Yeah, it's pretty cool. And. Yeah, well, that oxbow for a while held fish. And then, as happens with oxbows, they're cut off and no water coming in, no water going out, and they slowly fill in and they get hot and no more fishies.

[Reva]

Some of them will keep. I mean, if, like, it's a big enough river, become their own little fishery.

[Giannis Patelis]

But what I was reading is that eventually all of them will silt in and vegetation will grow in, because if it does not have water, fresh water coming in.

[Brody]

Yeah, there can be, like, you know, water coming up from underneath, too, in some of these systems. You know, it's like a reflection or it's the uppermost layer of the aquifer type of deal.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, one more scoreboard update. Phil.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah, sorry. I'm getting your. I'm getting your tiebreaker question prepped because I'm.

[Brody]

You're really.

[Reva]

4 ad breaks.

[Phil]

Yeah, apologies. Yeah, I mean, like Brody said, not exactly a game changer for the competition here. We still got Randall and Brody tied up with four now, and Cal and Spencer have five.

[Giannis Patelis]

All right, and if you're playing at home, you need to know the correct answers for number one. It was 24 inches. Question two, ASAT question three. Two. Question four. Data on previous engagements. Question five. Oklahoma, Iowa, Ohio, Missouri. Question six. Muskox. Question seven. Best in show. Question eight. Snarge. Question nine. Oxbow lake. Now, question number 10, which, as we always do here, is fishing. I got a little laugh there. Bagnell Dam was built across the Osage river to make this famous body of water. Bagnell Dam was built across the Osage river to make this famous body of water. Randall writing. Brody thinking. Spencer looking at the question again. Cal writing down an answer. Phil, still trying to figure out where that noise is coming from.

[Phil]

Yes, we're still getting cell phone stuff from somewhere, but, you know, it's might.

[Giannis Patelis]

Be Roman's coffee cup.

[Cal Roman]

Probably famous. By what measure? Why is it famous?

[Reva]

Don't say that.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, I think I can tell you later in my.

[Spencer Newhart]

Call it well known.

[Giannis Patelis]

Well known. There you go. To make this well known body of water.

[Spencer Newhart]

Don't say that.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay.

[Spencer Newhart]

Good to know.

[Eric Hamburg]

Famous lakes in my head.

[Spencer Newhart]

Just trying to avoid. Avoid some embarrassment.

[Eric Hamburg]

It's too late for that one. I'm gonna get bullied at work tomorrow. It's okay.

[Phil]

Well, now I really want to see it. Do the Steve thing. Just put a line through it.

[Spencer Newhart]

No, don't do it.

[Eric Hamburg]

It's gone.

[Giannis Patelis]

It's gone.

[Spencer Newhart]

Sorry, I don't mean to.

[Giannis Patelis]

All right, one last time. Bagnell Dam was built across the Osage river to make this well known body of water.

[Spencer Newhart]

You can say something else, but I.

[Giannis Patelis]

Know I liked it. Oh, for.

[Spencer Newhart]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brody]

I don't know.

[Spencer Newhart]

Say four pack.

[Giannis Patelis]

Don't say that one. But you can. All right, flip your boards. Roman. No answer. Cal, Lake of the Ozarks. Eric. Canyon. Ferry. Randall. Lake of the Ozarks. Spencer. Lake of the Ozarks. Reva. Lake of the Ozarks. Yeah, on the board. Wow. Sam Rayburn. Sam Rayburn. The correct answer is Lake of the Ozarks. Bagnell Dam was completed in 1931 and is 2500ft long. Lake of the Ozarks is known for its great fishing. March is the beginning of spoonbill season. These. These prehistoric filter feeders gather in deep holes, making them much easier to target. Since they don't eat traditional lures, you gotta snag them. The largest spoonbill to come out of the Lake of Ozarks was snagged by Chad Williams of Olathe, Kansas. It weighed 164 pounds, 13 ounces and is the current world record. That's a big old fish.

[Brody]

You know, spoonbill is a geographical.

[Giannis Patelis]

That's right.

[Brody]

Differentiator. It's like we have Spoon bill in Montana that are native to Montana. But if you said, yeah, I caught a spoonbill, people would Be like, I don't know what you're talking about. Paddlefish country up here.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah. Interestingly, on all the websites I was looking at around Lake of the Ozarks, they're. They make a point to call out both terms.

[Brody]

Oh, they do?

[Giannis Patelis]

Yep. So they. So that, you know, sometimes you'll hear.

[Reva]

It comboed with spoonbill catfish. Only folks say that. Oh, I used to do creel surveys that would come up like the great eating.

[Brody]

Spoonbill is a.

[Reva]

No, it's not a catfish, but they would, they would say it as though you were talking about like a smallmouth bass. Right.

[Brody]

Interesting.

[Reva]

Spoon bill catfish.

[Cal Roman]

It's like regional vernacular.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Brody]

I was also reading like the. The fancy sonar has assisted the spoonbill guiding industry tremendously.

[Cal Roman]

Oh, dude, that in Montana. Oh, they did for paddlefish.

[Brody]

Yeah.

[Cal Roman]

Yep.

[Giannis Patelis]

Phil, where are we sitting at after that final question that some of us got right and some didn't?

[Phil]

Well, Giannis, that's going to bring us to a tie breaking round because we got Ryan Callahan and Spencer Newharth tied up with six points a piece.

[Cal Roman]

I'm just gonna sit back.

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, well, I'm glad I could pitch a game where neither Randall nor Brody won. Okay, onto the tiebreakers. Tiebreaker.

[Brody]

You ain't first, you're last.

[I]

I think just cut it at. If you ain't first, you're last and then like go into other stuff.

[Reva]

That's funny.

[I]

I never liked it. Hey, Phil off, man.

[Giannis Patelis]

Thanks for playing the drop, Phil.

[Phil]

My pleasure.

[Giannis Patelis]

Tiebreaker. How big in inches is the current archery whitetail buck record in Wisconsin? Well, and I don't know Wisconsin. And I would like you to answer within. Within fraction 2 and 8th. How big in inches is the current archery whitetail buck record in Wisconsin?

[Reva]

And this is answer to grocer net.

[Cal Roman]

This typical or non typical?

[Giannis Patelis]

Oh, it was supposed to say typical. Oh, sorry. Okay, sorry. But did you want any visual.

[Phil]

The visual accompaniment? Yeah.

[Reva]

Oh, you get to see this. Wow. All right. You know that guy, God, he would.

[Brody]

Have been a hell of a buck next year.

[Cal Roman]

He's only four and a half.

[Spencer Newhart]

Mismatched camo. I like to see it.

[Brody]

Oh, let's see.

[Cal Roman]

I like it when they got that blonde forehead, though. Cool looking when they look like that.

[Spencer Newhart]

Now the question is that guy have small hands or big hands?

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah.

[Brody]

Well, there's a couple of deductions in there too.

[Cal Roman]

What's the. What do it. What do we got to go to?

[Giannis Patelis]

To the end to an eighth.

[Brody]

Got the main beams on that sucker.

[Spencer Newhart]

Crazy.

[Giannis Patelis]

Sometimes I start to think these giants I'm like, yeah, it doesn't look that big. But then when I compare it all to the buck's ear, then all of a sudden I go, oh yeah, that's right. That ear is probably. And some hints, 6 inches long. And now all of a sudden everything. You start to gain some context.

[Reva]

You can see this buck on the YouTube channel that Yanni is having a score.

[Giannis Patelis]

Mm.

[Reva]

What year was this killed?

[Giannis Patelis]

It was killed.

[Reva]

That looks like. That looks like a 2001 picture. 14, 2014. Whoa. Like this guy vintage.

[Giannis Patelis]

He was doing vintage before. Vintage was cool. All right, so the two that are actually playing here are Cal and Spencer. Correct. So hold on. I for always.

[Cal Roman]

But everyone's got a right.

[Reva]

Everyone should play along. Someone gets it right of their nose, we'll add an extra hundred dollars to the donation.

[Giannis Patelis]

Okay, so everybody reveal. Besides Cal and Spencer, Roman going 208 and 08. Eric going 2333 8. Randall 228 48. Reva 210 08. Brody. 207 and 3 8. Now between Cal and Spencer. Cal says 219 and an eighth. Spencer 193 and an eighth. We have a winner. Of course we would. But the winner is within 2 inches.

[Spencer Newhart]

Oh my goodness.

[Giannis Patelis]

And the number is 1916 8. Making.

[Spencer Newhart]

Wow.

[Giannis Patelis]

Spencer Newhart, today's winner.

[Spencer Newhart]

Oh. Who else was sub 200?

[Giannis Patelis]

He took this buck. His name is Adam Huff. H u p F. The other half is H u h u F F. Yeah. I don't know how to pronounce this guy's last name exactly. Do it again. Hopf H u p F. So I.

[Brody]

Just assumed like everything had to be over 200 inches. It doesn't look like a 200 plus inch buck, but I'm like, it just has to be.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, well, typical.

[Brody]

Yeah, but what like Doug's big giant bucket at his place in Wisconsin is.

[Cal Roman]

We just call that a 14 pointer.

[Giannis Patelis]

And be good with it. I think I want to say it's over 200 inches. Isn't it the standard? That's what I thought, but I don't know. It's like not. It's. For some reason it's not typical, probably. Well, Spencer, as today's winner, you get to choose where the $500 donation will go.

[Reva]

I'm going to donate to the North American Sturgeon and Paddlefish Society. I donated them the last few times. Really like that organization. They deserve more attention. Most people listening to this will probably never catch a sturgeon or a paddlefish. And that's okay. They're just an amazing fish. Hopefully, like you, it just makes you happy knowing that they exist out there. And then we have some dinosaurs swimming around our rivers. And this is the one conservation organization dedicated to them. My favorite animals in the world, 500 going their way and they're right here in Bozeman.

[Spencer Newhart]

Spoon Bills.

[Reva]

That's right.

[Brody]

I'm really glad you could get this win, Spencer.

[Reva]

Thank you.

[Giannis Patelis]

Thank you, Spencer. Well, thank you all for playing. Good job, Spencer, for winning. Phil, thanks again for your great work as always. Thanks for everybody listening at home and watching at home also. And join us next week for more meat eater trivia, the only game show where constant conservation always wins.

[Reva]

And Randall's hosting.

[Spencer Newhart]

Thanks, Giannis.

[Reva]

Thank you, Yanni.

[Giannis Patelis]

Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth mellow tones, he lays them questions down. And he likes taking those two and three year old bucks. And he's an avid amateur rock hound.

[I]

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