Ep. 695: MeatEater Radio Live! 7,000-Year-Old Poison Darts, Fast Food Walleye, and Lip Tattoos

Summary

The MeatEater Podcast - Episode 695 Summary

Release Date: April 25, 2025

In Episode 695 of The MeatEater Podcast, host Spencer Newharth, alongside Seth Morris and Chili, delves into a variety of outdoor topics ranging from archaeological discoveries to practical hunting and fishing tips. The episode is structured into several engaging segments, featuring interviews, interactive games, and listener interactions. Below is a comprehensive summary capturing all key discussions, insights, and conclusions from the episode.

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1. Weekend Hunting Success

Timestamp: 01:57 – 06:00

The episode kicks off with Spencer congratulating Seth and Chili on a successful turkey hunting weekend where they took down four turkeys (Chili, 01:48). Seth shares his experience with rockhounding, revealing the discovery of a significant ammonite fossil:

Chili (02:12): "I found a big rock that had a little bit of this ammonite sticking out of it."

The discussion highlights the importance of ammonites in the fossil record, noting their resilience and eventual extinction alongside the dinosaurs. Seth showcases the ammonite's intricate details, emphasizing its historical significance.

Key Insights:

• Ammonites thrived for over 450 million years, surviving multiple extinction events.
• The discovery underscores the meticulous nature of Seth and Chili's outdoor explorations.

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2. Interview with Brian Schroeder: North America's Oldest Weapon Kit

Timestamp: 06:02 – 19:25

The highlight of the episode is an in-depth interview with Brian Schroeder, Director of the Center for Big Ben Studies, about the recent discovery of what may be North America's oldest intact weapon system in West Texas.

Discovery Details

Brian Schroeder (07:21): "These are found just outside of [Big Bend National Park], right on the edge of a big cliff."

The weapons kit includes stone-tipped darts, an atlatl bow system missing its spur, sandals, an antler tool, and what appears to be hunting boomerangs. The assemblage dates back approximately 7,000 years, showcasing a modular and sophisticated hunting setup.

Notable Quotes:

• Schroeder (10:37): "It's a complete hunting kit almost 7,000 years ago."
• Schroeder (16:37): "They're clearly coated in some kind of resin and they've been looking for this parallel in the archaeological record."

Significance and Future Research

Brian explains the exceptional preservation conditions in West Texas, attributing it to the hot and dry climate which inhibits microbial decay. The team is eager to determine if the wooden components indeed served as poison darts, a technique known among indigenous groups.

Key Insights:

• The weapon kit offers a rare glimpse into ancient hunting practices.
• Ongoing research aims to uncover more about the use of poison in hunting and the lifestyles of the people who crafted these tools.

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3. Hot Tip Off: Listener Tips for Hunting and Trapping

Timestamp: 19:36 – 27:36

In the "Hot Tip Off" segment, listeners Adam Smith and Brian Nistle compete to provide the most valuable tips, vying for a three-year ONX Elite membership and a Multi Edge 2 Cell Cam.

Competitors' Tips:

• Adam Smith (24:03): Shares a budget-friendly fishing tip by repurposing old leaking waders into a chest rig, offering water-resistant storage without the cost of new gear.

  Adam Smith: "Instead of taking hundreds or dozens of dollars to spend a new piece of gear, I took some scissors, cut the old waders in half, and used the top half as a chest rig."

• Brian Nistle (24:09): Advises trappers to use sawdust as an alternative to paper towels when fleshing greasy animals like raccoons, aiding in cleaning beams efficiently.

  Brian Nistle: "Get yourself some sawdust from sawmills or woodworking shops. Throw a handful on your beam, wipe it around, and it soaks up the grease effectively."

Winner: Brian Nistle’s tip about using sawdust edged out Adam’s recycled wader rig.

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4. One Minute Fishing with Jesse Vidala of Trout Unlimited

Timestamp: 28:38 – 43:25

One Minute Fishing features Jesse Vidala, Eastern Region Manager at Trout Unlimited, who attempts to catch a wild trout within one minute while managing chaotic surroundings near a racetrack in Connecticut.

Conversation Highlights:

• Fishing Techniques: Jesse discusses targeting brook trout using Hendricksons and black marabou streamers, emphasizing adaptability based on hatch patterns.
• Conservation Efforts: He highlights Trout Unlimited's initiatives to improve habitat connectivity and educate the next generation about the importance of healthy, cold rivers.

Notable Interaction:

Jesse Vidala (38:55): "We're working on improving connectivity by removing culverts and barriers to enhance habitat for wild trout."

Despite the chaotic environment, Jesse's focus remains on conservation and effective fishing techniques, embodying the podcast's dedication to both hunting and environmental stewardship.

Outcome: Jesse was unable to land a trout during the segment but provided valuable insights into conservation and fishing strategies.

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5. Price is Right: Outdoor Edition

Timestamp: 43:36 – 55:26

In an interactive game inspired by The Price is Right, Seth and Chili compete to guess the prices of various outdoor-related products.

Featured Items:

1. Culver's Three-Piece Walleye Dinner:

   • Description: Includes three deep-fried walleye fillets, tartar sauce, a warm roll, soda, and two sides.
   • Correct Price: $20.79
   • Winner: Derek Zane from the chat guessed closest with $19.99.

2. Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle Shop:

   • Description: A turnkey bait shop located at the Jersey Shore with inventory, bait freezers, live bait tank, and POS system.
   • Correct Price: $279,000
   • Winner: Nick, who guessed $189,000.

3. Autographed Jaws Poster:

   • Description: Signed by four cast members and Steven Spielberg, measuring 26" x 38".
   • Correct Price: $190
   • Winner: Pit Pass podcast with a $210 guess.

Notable Moments:

• Chili's Victory: Chlor received recognition for correctly estimating the price of the Jaws poster.
• Audience Engagement: The segment encouraged live participation, with chat members actively contributing guesses.

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6. Tattoos I Regret: Amanda Fairbairn Kimry Shares Her Lip Tattoo

Timestamp: 55:26 – 67:05

In a heartfelt segment, Amanda Fairbairn Kimry discusses her unique lip tattoo featuring the dates of the Lewis and Clark expedition (1804-1806).

Backstory:

Amanda and a friend decided to get outrageous tattoos during a celebratory day when Clemson won the national championship. While many opted for traditional lip tattoos like names or trendy phrases, Amanda chose a historical reference.

Notable Quotes:

Amanda Fairbairn Kimry (58:15): "It's the dates of the Lewis and Clark expedition. We wanted something historical and a bit random."

Impact and Reflections:

Initially met with skepticism from friends and family, the tattoo has since become a conversation starter that brought joy and even led to Amanda meeting her husband.

Amanda Fairbairn Kimry (60:12): "It's brought a lot of joy and laughter, and it's actually the reason my husband and I are together."

Conclusion: Despite societal norms about regrettable tattoos, Amanda embraces her choice, highlighting how personal expression can lead to meaningful connections.

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7. Listener Feedback and Q&A

Timestamp: 67:05 – 70:44

The episode wraps up with an interactive Q&A session where listeners ask for advice on topics like solo camping tents, turkey hunting tips, and ethical considerations in accepting poached game meat.

Key Suggestions:

• Solo Camping Tents: Recommendations include lightweight, three-season tents like those from Nemo and Ember, and larger options like the Seek Outside Cimarron for more space and stove compatibility.
• Turkey Hunting Tips: Emphasizing late-season strategies such as hunting during specific morning hours when hens are sitting on nests.
• Ethical Hunting Practices: Discussion on the morality of accepting game meat that may have been poached, with a consensus leaning towards conservation-minded decisions.

Notable Advice:

Spencer Newharth (62:13): "If you're hunting anytime from mid-October on in the north, look for a four-season tent to stay warm at night."

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8. Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 70:44 – End

Spencer thanks listeners for tuning in and encourages them to participate in upcoming segments and share their own tips. The episode concludes with light-hearted banter and a teaser for the next week's content.

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Conclusion

Episode 695 of The MeatEater Podcast offers a rich tapestry of outdoor adventures, practical tips, and engaging stories. From uncovering ancient hunting tools to sharing modern hunting and fishing strategies, the episode underscores the enduring connection between humans and the natural world. Listener interactions and interactive segments further enrich the experience, making it a must-listen for outdoor enthusiasts.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Chili (01:48): "Four turkeys."
• Chili (02:12): "I found a big rock that had a little bit of this ammonite sticking out of it."
• Spencer Newharth (10:37): "It's a complete hunting kit almost 7,000 years ago."
• Brian Schroeder (16:37): "They're clearly coated in some kind of resin..."
• Adam Smith (24:03): "I repurposed old waders into a chest rig..."
• Brian Nistle (24:09): "Use sawdust instead of paper towels for wiping greasy beams."
• Jesse Vidala (38:55): "We're working on improving connectivity by removing culverts and barriers..."
• Amanda Fairbairn Kimry (58:15): "It's the dates of the Lewis and Clark expedition."

This episode exemplifies the podcast's commitment to exploring diverse outdoor topics with depth, humor, and authenticity, providing listeners with both educational content and entertaining narratives.

Transcript

[Seth Morris]

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[Spencer Newharth]

Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia. Meat Eater Podcast.

[Brian Schroeder]

Foreign.

[Spencer Newharth]

Welcome to Meat Eater radio live. It's 11am Mountain Time. That's noon for our friends in Platte, South Dakota, on Thursday, April 24th. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Seth and Chili. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Schroeder about North America's oldest weapon kit that was just discovered in Texas. The then we've got a hot tip off about recycled waiters and fleshing furs, followed by one minute fishing with Trout Unlimited in Connecticut. After that, we'll play Meat Eaters Price is Right. And finally, we'll interview Amanda Fairbairn Kimry about one of the coolest tattoos I've ever seen. First, Seth, I want to talk to you about this very successful weekend of hunting you just had. How many turkeys died?

[Chili]

Well, between my wife and I, four died.

[Spencer Newharth]

Four turkeys.

[Chili]

Yep.

[Spencer Newharth]

You boys are going to be eating good. You and your wife can be eating good on white meat the rest of the year.

[Chili]

Yeah. Yeah. We were somewhere in America hunting and killed some turkeys and then had some time to kill, did, did some exploring and went and did a little. Spencer Newharth, rockhounding Seth, you're getting right.

[Spencer Newharth]

To the part that I want to talk to you about. I thought I was gonna have to listen to turkey hunting stories.

[Chili]

Well, I can tell you them.

[Spencer Newharth]

Let's talk about the Rocky. Yeah, let's talk about that.

[Chili]

Yeah. I found a big rock that had a little bit of this ammonite sticking out of it. And time I didn't know what was in there. I could just tell that there was something going on. So I threw that rock against another rock a little too hard.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yep. You threw the soft rock against a harder rock.

[Chili]

Yes. And broke it open. And this is what I found inside.

[Spencer Newharth]

Seth in his hand has a softball size sea critter. This is an ammonite. Ammonites had one of the most successful runs in the history of the planet. They were around. They showed up in the fossil record like 450 million years ago. And then they disappeared around 66 million years ago for the same event that killed the dinosaurs. Now, in between that time, they survived all kinds of crazy stuff. There were other extinction events that happened where like 98% of the life on Earth disappeared. And they survived that. Really? Yeah. Ammonites made it through around 200 million years ago. They started to struggle a little bit. And the event that killed the dinosaurs is also what killed them. And this ammonite is wonderful. They, they at one point or at probably multiple points were the most populous animal on Earth. There was more of them than anything else living in our oceans. And you should watch the documentary Prehistoric Planet if you ever seen that. The regular documentary called like Planet Earth, right?

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

There's a Prehistoric Planet one they do. And there's like a whole little section on ammonites. It's a ton of fun. And this one, Seth, has a beautiful knacker on it. That's what that little sheen is called. Like what you see on a seashell that you'd pick up in the ocean. Show that thing to the camera a little more. Spin around. Wonderful Ammonite. Now there's some of those that are the size of your fingernail all the way up to ones that are nine foot wide. And this is a big one, Seth.

[Chili]

Yeah. I have another rock that I had found with a couple small ones just kind of sticking out, like poking out. But yeah, that's the biggest one I've ever found. And another thing I find with this. What's the shine called again?

[Spencer Newharth]

Knacker.

[Chili]

Knacker. I believe it's a baculite.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yes. Yeah.

[Chili]

Yeah, so we find those with that shine on there too.

[Spencer Newharth]

A similar, Yeah, a similar type of animal they were.

[Chili]

Do you know what would have made them so successful?

[Spencer Newharth]

I, I don't know. I'm not sure. I, I think they obviously, if we think about the things that are successful now.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

Like a coyote or a cockroach, they're able to occupy a ton of different niches. Right. Like if, if one food source or one type of habitat disappeared, they just keep on going with something else. I'm. I'm assuming it's something similar with made them so successful. That's a special fossil set. Yeah, it's for you.

[Chili]

It's one of the better ones in my Collection.

[Spencer Newharth]

And what do you. Where's your collection live?

[Chili]

It lives in my living room. We. Kelsey and I made. My wife, Kelsey, and I made these, like, shelves. We call it the Morris Museum. Just all the cool stuff we found over the years.

[Spencer Newharth]

And it looked like that thing was found inside of a cannonball. There's. There's a whole river in North Dakota called the Cannonball River. And. And basically that's like mud that would kind of roll in the waves and sometimes that would pick up fossils like this. So that's probably what happened there.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

Is that this thing died, got rolled up in some mud, and then just got blown around on a windy shoreline for a while.

[Chili]

Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's. I don't know. It's cool. Like, you. I've seen videos of people breaking those open and, like, you never know what's going to be inside.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah.

[Chili]

Um. But, yeah, this one. I got lucky with this one.

[Spencer Newharth]

What a weekend. That giant fossil and four turkeys.

[Chili]

Four turkeys. Yep. Love it.

[Spencer Newharth]

At the beginning of the show there, I shouted out, plant, South Dakota, Chile. Fellow, South Dakota. Nicest people I ever met on Earth are from plant, South Dakota.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Oh, they're great. Yeah. Yeah. They kind of have a bigger footprint than I thought. I went fishing up in Alaska in a town called St. Petersburg. And. And the guy who took us out, his name was Oli, but his parents originated from Platte, South Dakota. Moved to St. Petersburg. He now lives there with his family, but he goes back every single year. And then I got people that I grew up with that live over there. Great bird hunting.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Love that area.

[Spencer Newharth]

Good fishing.

[Chili]

Well, yeah, I was gonna say, what goes on in Platte?

[Spencer Newharth]

Everything right on the Missouri River.

[Chili]

Yep. Oh, so they got fishing, Deer hunting, Dirk hunting.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh, yeah.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Nice.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Chili]

Sounds like a paradise.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah. We love you, Platt. Me and Chili shout out Platt. All right, let's move on with the show. Joining us on the line first is Brian Schroeder, the director of the center of Big Ben Studies. He's here to talk about what may be North America's oldest intact weapon system, which was just discovered in West Texas. Brian, welcome to the show.

[Brian Schroeder]

Thanks. Thanks for having me.

[Spencer Newharth]

First thing, Brian set the scene for us by describing Ben Big Bend National Park.

[Brian Schroeder]

Okay, so these are found just outside of the park a little bit, and they're right on the edge of a big cliff. And it's. It's called the Alamedo Creek drainage. And the Alameda Creek drainage has, you know, was. Had live water. And so you're we're, you know, we're looking at the large of a big desert environment at the base of a large creek and a dried up stream.

[Spencer Newharth]

So besides the weapon kit that we'll get to in a little bit, what other notable finds have archaeologists had in this area?

[Brian Schroeder]

So the region's had a lot of stuff found throughout the years. I mean, that's kind of what lured me there. There's just a mammoth tusk that's rattling around in the news that we just, our center just excavated that. But for the most part it's stuff like this, just lots of weapon kits that just did. Not weapon kits, but weapons in particular. So it just preserves perishable stuff really, really well because it's so hot and dry.

[Spencer Newharth]

And so that's, that's the key for that area. Why like ancient things are so well preserved in West Texas.

[Brian Schroeder]

Yeah, yeah, you get really good preservation where there's, where you, it's either hot or dry or it's protected. It's the same thing. You know, microorganisms need some stuff to live. And when you, when you remove water from that equation, you get really good preservation. So yeah, that's how, that's how they preserve.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, tell us about the day of discovery and describe the cave and why your team was in that spot.

[Brian Schroeder]

So we're actually there because the cave has been collected for years by amateur groups. And we were there actually because we didn't think we would find anything. We were there because we thought that it was really impacted. And what we wanted to do is we wanted to open up a cave and date the sediments so we could see how much, how much time was left we could understand in the sediments and the pesky archaeology record wouldn't get in our way. And so it's really collapsed, it's been very dug and so it's, it's, it's not this Hollywood cave that you walk into. It's been pretty impacted.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, and so tell us about like when the weapons were discovered. How close to each other were they? Did you know what they were? Was everyone stoked and giving high fives out?

[Brian Schroeder]

Oh, so yeah, so we actually dug in a portion of the cave that was really collapsed and we thought that that would be the best example to find all of the sediments we were looking for. And some of the crew thought we were crazy because it was really tucked up back underneath the rock. And we started excavating under that and we ended up finding four of them in 2020. That was the first year that we found them. And One of them, we could tell that it was a piece of a dart, but the other ones really didn't make any sense. And so we were really excited about the dart, obviously, but we did not, we did not know what the other pieces of art were. And then we found a piece of it every year after that as we expanded, expanded out the excavation. So we've literally found pieces and parts since 2020.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, tell us about what this weapon kit fully consists of besides a dart.

[Brian Schroeder]

So it's got, it's, it's really interesting because it's got different components and so it shows us how modular the hunting kits were. And so we have, we have at least four stone tipped foreshafts that would have won the end of the atlatl system. We have the atlatl itself that's missing the spur. So the spur actually snapped off of it and then they discarded it back there with this. We have footwear, so we have, we have sandals that they left with there. We have some kind of antler piece that's clearly for like retooling the stone that goes on there. And then we have a, what we call what people call rabbit sticks, but the discipline starting to call fleet straight flying boomerangs. So a hunting boomerang. And then it's, we have wood tipped darts that probably were a poison delivery device, but that's conjecture right now. We've got to do the science on that. But that's what we think they are. So we have all these modular pieces. Oh, and then we have the, we have the knock ends of the darts themselves. So the only thing we're missing out of the kit is the actual sleeve that the foreshafts would have fit into. So we have almost, the complete, complete hunting kid at a moment in time almost 7,000 years ago.

[Spencer Newharth]

And you can see a photo of this hunting kit right now on the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel. What do we know about the person who left these behind? Did they live there? Were they just passing through? What do you guys think?

[Brian Schroeder]

So that's the part we're trying to understand right now because we have, there's a small little hearth back there and there's four copper lights back there. So there's four pieces of essentially human poop. And it seems like somebody just went back there, went through their weapon kit, they cut the fletching off of the back of the Knox. So they salvaged their knocks. They, they were re retooling their darts and then they left the pizza pieces of the four shafts that, you know, they couldn't service because all the four shafts are split. So it seems like one person passing through, but it seems like the intent was to come back because there's a. There's a pronghorn hide that's been folded like they were cutting pieces off of it. And they were made like maybe servicing some, some, you know, clothing, I don't know. But then they, they folded it up and they put it on a rock and it seems like they meant to get back to that and they never, they just never got back to there. So my guess would be passing through and probably one, maybe two people, not many. It's a really, really small little crook in the cave. Like it's not. Yeah, one person laying back there would be crowded.

[Chili]

Brian, Seth here. Got a question for you. Are you guys done with the excavation or could there be more stuff in there that you guys haven't found yet? No.

[Brian Schroeder]

So we're actually at the beginning. We're. I mean, we were not in the beginning. We've been digging for 2020. But now that we've understand this period, this time period better back there, we're, we're not to the time period we want to. Want to get to. So we want to get to the early record. We really want to look at the Paleo record. And that's what we're trying to get to. But we keep finding all this stuff. So we're, we're, we're five years into a collaborative research with the University of Kansas. The University of Kansas actually sponsors it. And we're going to keep going for the foreseeable future. So we're kind of. Kind of midway through, I would suppose.

[Spencer Newharth]

Brian, do we know what was in the fossilized crap?

[Brian Schroeder]

No, that's one of the things we need to look at. They. It's definitely fiber, but there's. There's kind of a startling amount of bone in it. And that's one of the things we need to do. We just dated them and we really didn't think they'd be the same age as the deposit, but they're the exact same age as the hunting camp.

[Spencer Newharth]

Wow.

[Brian Schroeder]

So all that's the exact same age. So that's, that's going to be amazing because that'll give us direct. I mean, that'll tell us exactly what, you know, at least they were doing for a moment in time back there.

[Spencer Newharth]

And what do you think the weapons were used to hunt?

[Brian Schroeder]

So I think they're. That's the coolest thing is I think they're hunting different things. Right. So there's a stone tipped point that goes on the end of the dart. That's for one type of gang, probably medium game. I mean, it's pretty sexy to say that, you know, that toolkit maybe killed the pronghorn that was in there, but that I definitely don't know. That's just, you know, that's me editorializing it. And then the darts, the poison, if they are poison darts, the wood tips, those are for something else entirely. And then there's a straight flying boomerang. Boomerang, which is, we think it's for small game. But the faculty that I work with do a lot of experimental studies and they've, they've played around with those and they, they think they could be pretty deadly for other stuff. So I, it's definitely a medium mammal sized toolkit and maybe small mammals, definitely pronghorn. We don't know if there was bison out in West Texas. That's one of the open questions. So, I mean, certainly medium game and small game.

[Spencer Newharth]

You said that the idea that they are darts is sort of a hypothesis right now. What makes you think that they are poison darts? And what kind of poison would they have been using?

[Brian Schroeder]

So that's one of the things that the, my colleagues at the center want to really look at. They're the ones that have really been like showing me more of the sighting. That a lot of indigenous groups knew how to hunt with poison and they knew how to make poison compounds. And exactly what it would be, I don't, I don't know. But we just actually got the lab equipment to start testing that. So we're actually going to start doing that making. They're going to start making different poison compounds and testing it against that with residue and seeing if we can figure out what they're doing. But the wood, the wood part of it I think is what we think. They're clearly coated in some kind of resin and they've been sort of looking for this parallel in the archaeological record that if there's these wooden tips, that'd be a great way to deliver poison into animals. And lo and behold, this cave has at least three of them. So we can start testing that hypothesis.

[Spencer Newharth]

And what kind of wood are those tools made of?

[Brian Schroeder]

That's the, we've the. So the only thing we've despeciated as far as wood goes right now is the actual atlatl itself. And that is, it's an acacia. It's probably local mesquite. I mean, it's absolutely jaw dropping. I'll never find Another atlatl in my life. And it's a really, really old atlatl but it's as far as things that they could make. It's probably a 15 minute job for them. It's a pretty, pretty simple atlatl and it's, it's just a split. It's a split. So that one we know is mesquite.

[Spencer Newharth]

And, and the radiocarbon dating, the radiocarbon dating process for wood, is that the exact same as it is for rock?

[Brian Schroeder]

So radiocarbon dating, it works on the organic, the rock we date differently. Rock, you can date residues off it if there's organic compounds, but you only date organic compounds. So that's what makes the weapon kit so cool, is that it's, it's a direct decision. Those people killed those trees to make that weapons and so you're actually, they are the ones that actually killed the, the, the organic, organic materials to make that kit. So we're dating a direct human decision.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

So it was, it was declared by you guys, I think that this is the oldest intact weapon system in North America. What Discovery now has the silver medal.

[Brian Schroeder]

We talked a lot about this. So again my colleagues at the center, we were, we were talking about this and there's certainly older weapons like individual weapons and there's probably some stuff in the Yukon that's as it's probably older. But we, we all can think that the second oldest complete system is probably from White Dog Cave. You get the full atlatl system that's 2, 2500 years somewhere in there. So I mean we're getting a significant time difference and this weapon kit is completely different than the one in White Dog. So that's really interesting to see how that technology evolved over 4,000 years.

[Spencer Newharth]

So what comes next for this project?

[Brian Schroeder]

We're going to keep going. I mean the goal of the project is, I mean the seven, you know, the 6,500 year old weapon kit is really, really cool. But what we really want to do is know if there's early, earlier deposits in the cave and if the cave was used by earlier folks and we just haven't gotten there in the excavation. So next is continuing to go down and see if we get earlier deposits and we have a, you know, a paleo record there and we can get the initial entry of humans into North America. So that's next. Keep digging.

[Spencer Newharth]

Well, thank you for joining us Brian. Congrats on the exciting find and good luck with the research to come.

[Brian Schroeder]

Thanks. Thanks for having me.

[Spencer Newharth]

Have a good one.

[Chili]

Thanks Brian.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Thanks Brian.

[Spencer Newharth]

Thanks yeah, well, we got a. We got a real Spencer episode so far. A lot of rock. Yeah, top.

[Chili]

Yeah. I bet you're stoked about this.

[Spencer Newharth]

We'll see if the the listeners stick around with us or not. Hey, Spencer Newharth here to tell you about an exciting new project. I am thrilled to introduce meat eater wordle. It's a word game.

[Phil]

Wait, wait, wait, you can't call it that.

[Spencer Newharth]

Why?

[Phil]

Well, because of copyright stuff. That name is probably property of the New York Times or something.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh. Well, what should we call it?

[Phil]

I don't know. What is it exactly?

[Spencer Newharth]

Well, it's a lot like wordle. Players get six tries to solve a five letter word from categories like hunting, fishing, animals, nature. Then you get to compare your score to the scores from the meat eater crew and new games will drop every Monday morning on our website.

[Phil]

I think the perfect name would kind of sound like wordle. You know, have two syllables and end with le. Oh, and it has to be an outdoorsy word.

[Spencer Newharth]

H introducing meat eater turtle. It's like wordle but better. You can play it right [e-mail] games. All right, our next segment is hot tip off.

[Brian Schroeder]

H o t t I b off Turn your head and give cough. What's that face?

[Phil]

Don't use golf. There aren't many words that rhyme with hop. H o t t I p off.

[Spencer Newharth]

Let'S all do a hearty pop h o t t I d r let's.

[Phil]

All do a ha t Bob.

[Chili]

God, Phil, that song is so good.

[Spencer Newharth]

He's even got Phil back there bobbing his head. He composed it. Phil's been trying to line up karaoke date in the next few weeks.

[Phil]

You know what? I gotta give the credit to another man in this room and that would be Chili. He's the one who brought it back up to my attention and I'm glad he did. We're trying to make it happen. So, you know, if there's anyone at the company watching, hit up slack. Let me know what date works best for you.

[Spencer Newharth]

What's the group site called? It's just called karaoke.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I'm just trying to bring the people together, you know.

[Spencer Newharth]

What are you going to sing?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

These tough times? What am I going to sing?

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Oh, there's so many songs out there. Yeah, go with creed, you know. See, the problem I I run into at karaoke nowadays is I'll try to make this quick is you get either really, really old people or you get really, really young people.

[Spencer Newharth]

So. So you're either gonna trying to bridge that Gap.

[G]

Yeah.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

You're gonna offend some old people or you're gonna sing a song that young people don't know, which is. It's a fickle game you gotta play.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, give us an example though of what you think you might sing.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Oh, oh, man. You know, you can't go wrong with like some Tyler Childers. My actually go to song is Neon moon by Brooks and Dunn. Cause I can do this thing where I can kinda sound, I can do like make, you know, know Ronnie Dunn's voice is a little different. I can kind of do that. And so the old people in the crowd, they can appreciate the young kids just have no clue what's going on.

[Spencer Newharth]

So the last time we went out for karaoke after kickball, I sang the.

[Phil]

I was going to say, I think that's a. I've heard Spencer sing that one.

[Chili]

Good choice.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

It's a good song.

[Chili]

Good choice.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right. Hot tip off is where two listeners go head to head with competing pieces of advice. And after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a one minute video on your phone and email it to radio atthe meat eater.com with the subject line hot T off. This week It's Adam Smith versus Brian Nistle and they're competing to win a three year ONX Elite membership in a Multri Edge 2 cell cam. All right, let's hear this week's hot tips.

[Chili]

Adam Smith.

[H]

Hey there, Adam Smith. Coming at you with a hot fishing tip that is budget friendly. I love to wade fish, but I don't normally use waders or need waiters. But I do like the storage they provide. And so I was looking for a chest rig, a weatherproof, water resistant chest rig to take waiting. And as I was doing that, I remembered that I had an old messed up pair of waders that was leaking. So instead of taking hundreds or dozens of dollars to spend a new piece of gear, I took some scissors, took that old pair of waders and just cut them in half right at the belly. Now the top half of that wader serves as a chest rig. I got water resistant storage here for phone, wallet, keys. In between this and my fishing vest, everything is right on me. Easy access. And if I take a dip in the water or the weather turns real rainy, I know I can still keep my essentials dry. So I was able to do that without buying a new piece of gear. So let me know what you think. Budget friendly fishing tip. Thank you.

[Phil]

Ryan Knisley.

[I]

Brian Knisley. Northwestern Pennsylvania. Got a hot tip for you guys that are fleshing coons or other super greasy animals. Always a challenge keeping your beam clean. Once you start pushing fat off the skirt. Get your beam all greased up. Use paper towels or something to wipe it. But paper towels are getting expensive. Fur is cheap. And I learned this from the fur buyer years ago. Get yourself some sawdust. I work at a sawmill, so I get it for free. But get it at sawmills or woodworking shops. Anywhere that's selling sawdust for animal bedding or whatever. Throw a handful of sawdust on there, wipe it around, soaks up that grease and wipes right off. You're good to go. Work free hands too.

[Spencer Newharth]

Sweet.

[I]

Super cheap and effective.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Thank you.

[Spencer Newharth]

And again, they are competing for a three year ONX Elite membership in a Multri Edge 2 cell cam. Now, Brian was kind of going for Seth's heart there. He's from Pennsylvania, wearing a bear grease hat. Talking about fleshing. What do you have there?

[Chili]

Raccoons.

[Spencer Newharth]

Now, I'm gonna have to rely on you here, Seth. Is that a hot tip about putting sawdust down?

[Chili]

That is a hot tip. It's a hot tip that I've been doing for years.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh, okay.

[Chili]

Decades, actually.

[Spencer Newharth]

Where'd you learn it?

[Chili]

In Pennsylvania when I was flushing coons. Yeah, From a fur buyer.

[Spencer Newharth]

Of, of the percentage of folks who are out there, flesh and coons. What percentage do you think know about that hot tip? Is it common knowledge?

[Chili]

I would say it's fairly common.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay.

[Chili]

Yeah, but I could be wrong. I just, I. The guys I ran around with, good experience.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, they were legit.

[Chili]

But, you know, there might be some folks starting out that don't know about that.

[Spencer Newharth]

And Chili, you're an aspiring trapper, right? Did you know about the sawdust trick?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I didn't know.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah, there's. I don't know a whole lot about fleshing. I've only done it a number of times. Seth has been a part of that process pretty heavily. But now. So for me, that is a hot tip.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I was more interested in his. His setup that he had going on. Yeah, everything.

[Chili]

His beam was pretty sweet.

[Spencer Newharth]

He was ready to go in there now. Phil, are you doing a poll of our.

[Phil]

I am doing. I've got a live poll in the chat right now.

[Spencer Newharth]

Bill's going to let that go.

[Phil]

It's kind of tight, so let your voice be heard.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I will say with the first hot tip.

[Spencer Newharth]

Adam Smith.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yep. I was. You know, I love the idea. I was looking for it to Be a little shorter, you know, to pique my interest. You know, it was me.

[Chili]

It be probably just that. Just a tube top.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Just a tube top for chili.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, I like that. You'll skip to. You can really appreciate these hot tips if you're watching this on our YouTube channel. And again we have Adam Smith with the recycled waiters versus Brian and doing the fur trapping. While our audience continues to vote on this, I want to tell you folks that we need more hot tips. Corey Calkins, he's the one who manages our inbox there and he said we're running low on really good ones. So please take that one minute video and email it to radiomeat eater.com with the subject line hot tip off. You're going to compete for some really good prizes if your video gets chosen. And this week it's that 3 year ONX Elite membership and a multi edge 2 cell cam.

[Phil]

And really quick get some questions into the chat for the crew for our listener feedback section too. Just a reminder.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right, Chili, if you were voting, you're going to pick the recycled waiters or the fur trapping. We're going to let the audience decide, but maybe we can sway their opinion.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Brother, I would say where I'm at in my life, I would say the hot, the, the trapping, hot tip, the, the sawdust, like that's probably going to be more applicable to me right now.

[Chili]

Okay, Seth, I appreciate a frugal man, but I'm going to go with the fur trapping as well. The hot, the sawdust hot tip.

[Phil]

He.

[Chili]

Brian's from Pennsylvania. Yeah, he's flesh and raccoons.

[Spencer Newharth]

All good facial hair.

[Chili]

Good facial hair. All this is very familiar territory. Territory to me. I'm going with Brian.

[Spencer Newharth]

I'm going to go with Adam Smith. I like the idea of recycling those waders and that looked like a pretty handy little thing to have on your chest. People would talk to you about if they saw you on the river. I think too.

[Phil]

All right, I'm going to go ahead and wrap up this poll right now with 53% of the vote. Oh, no. At the last second. 52 now. Okay, the winner is Brian with the sawdust.

[Spencer Newharth]

Well done, Brian. Corey Calkins is going to reach out to you about how to claim your prizes. And for everyone else listening, please send us some more hot tips. We want to keep doing this segment. We want to get educated and educate our audience with your hot tips. All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

[Chili]

That's a Great question.

[Phil]

Well, first I just wanted to say congrats to Mogor. Our guy Mogor in the chat, he just passed the toughest exam of his life and we're officially kicking off the weekend for him.

[Chili]

Nice. Congrats.

[Spencer Newharth]

Congratulations, Mogor. He's in the chat every week. So we appreciate you sticking around with us, Mogoer, and hanging out from Hungary. I'd like to know what that exam is. Maybe let us know in the chat.

[Phil]

Oh yeah, please do because I think he mentioned it a couple weeks ago as well and I was curious. So yeah, let us know. Mogor, this is kind of a big general question, but it's still that, still that turkey season. So if you guys have any hot tips. Speaking of, for spicy nachos, he says, hey all, first time turkey hunter here. I was wondering if I could get some late season turkey hunting tips in Canada Here turkeys open 10 days ago and he has had no luck.

[Chili]

I got one.

[Phil]

Thank you.

[Spencer Newharth]

Go for it.

[Chili]

You're hunting late season turkeys. You have to be in the woods from that 10:00 to 2:00 hour if your state allows it. Late season hens, once they're done doing their thing, getting bread in the morning, the they will go sit on their nests and those toms will become solo and looking for love. It's a great time to kill late season turkey.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah. And turkey hunters who were smarter than me. We'll talk about how you should change your decoy setup throughout the season. Like what were you using this weekend, Seth, in Montana? Here we'd probably be considered what, like early season here, middle of the season or early season? What are you running for? Decoys.

[Chili]

I typically don't run decoys unless I have to. I just, that's just because I just like. Well one thing I, I don't love the way I hunt. A lot of running and gunning. I just don't love carrying decoys and I don't know, I just like to, to play the game without decoys. I like to set up in spots where the turkey basically has to be in shooting range for it to see where the calling is coming from. So yeah, that's how I like to hunt. I will use decoys occasionally if I'm set up like in a big open area or whatever.

[Spencer Newharth]

But yeah, I think like sort of, it's very general rule of thumb but usually your turkey decoy setups get smaller as the season goes on. So early season when birds are still really flocked up, you may have, if you have the ability to do it for decoys out there.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

And if you're really getting late in the season, spicy nachos might be time to pare that down to just a single hen or a hen in a strutter. What else you got?

[Phil]

Phil Andreas is asking Chili, what was your MOS when you were serving Andreas?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I was in 0651, which is what Calm Data Network Specialist. But yeah, did a bunch of stuff with communications equipment and things of that nature, man.

[Chili]

All right.

[Phil]

On Ben says Spencer, did you hear that Dakota Angler brought back the Rapalo Minnow Rap as an exclusive? You had said in the last radio live you were in that you caught your personal best pike on it, but they were discontinued.

[Spencer Newharth]

I had a few people reach out to me and email me that that Dakota Angler is bringing back their Apollo Minnow wrap. Rapala has so many offerings and this was like a very specific one at a very specific time and place. And I'm thrilled to hear that Dakota Angler has that sort of swing to get the Minnow wrap back on their shelves. That's a great part of the country to be offering that crankbait. So good on you, Dakota Angler, and thanks for the heads up, Ben, and everyone else who reached out.

[Chili]

I caught my PB pike on an X rap.

[Spencer Newharth]

Ooh, yeah. What kind of X rap? Because I feel like there's a lot. There's like X rap this, X Rap that. And sometimes they'll have like a little bucktail on the last.

[Chili]

It has a little bucktail. It was the. It was when the X rap first came out. Okay. So, yeah, whatever the OG X rap was. Yeah, I bought a handful of them for catching bass in Maine when I was living back east.

[Spencer Newharth]

I feel like a lot of the X raps too. They would have like the hollow body look that you'd, like, see through them.

[Chili]

Yeah, this one you can see through is blue. Yep. Had bucktail on it. But yeah, that was. Caught my PB pike in Montana.

[Spencer Newharth]

I. I miss being really tuned into, like, what crankbaits are. Are hot right now. And like, what's the new color that Rapala came out with this year?

[Chili]

I don't. I don't do a whole lot of crank bait fishing. I'm more like jig and plastic type guy for walleye. And yeah, don't do a whole lot of bass in here, but I love it. It's fun. I just wish there was more opportunities, which. There are some good ones. But yeah, I don't exactly keep up with the. The. Those style of baits.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, I used to be really tuned in. It was. It was totally 100% something that caught more fishermen than fish.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

But I still like being very familiar with the library of crankbaits that. That different brands were offering. What else you got, Phil?

[Phil]

We'll do one more here. Well, actually, we'll do a light one and then a real one. What do the crew members use to maintain their facial hair? I hate an itchy beard, but don't enjoy the 12 year old boy look with a bald face.

[Spencer Newharth]

I. As someone who's like, gone back and forth between mustache and beard in the last, you know, few years, the itchy stage to me is like a very specific time. I don't. I don't remember when that is, but it's like between weeks, I don't know, 2 and 4 or something like that, and then it's not itchy anymore. Is that what you like, your familiarity with it, Chili?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah. When I. When I had a big, big beard.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Like, it was like that two to four weeks, you know, maybe quarter of an inch long. And it got super itchy. And then all of a sudden it just stops.

[Spencer Newharth]

Not itchy anymore? You never think about it?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

No.

[Spencer Newharth]

As far as maintenance, I don't do anything. It gets the same shampoo that my hair gets.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Tree SAP. Tree SAP. Every morning, freshly found in the woods.

[Chili]

Jilly's a tail main guy.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah, the hair is mane and tail.

[Chili]

Main and tail.

[Spencer Newharth]

Mane and tail. Is it like a pomade or what?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

No, it's. It's a shampoo and conditioner made for horses.

[Spencer Newharth]

Now you. You're messing with it.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

That's a hot tip right there for the folks. Yeah, I.

[Spencer Newharth]

Do you have a horse shampoo and conditioner in your shower right now?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Mane and tail.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, you send me a picture, I.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Will send you a picture.

[Spencer Newharth]

I'd like your hair a lot more chilly now, knowing that. Who told you about this idea? Did you come up with it?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

No. See, well, originally it came from the movie Blades of Glory. When he goes like, you help yourself to the mane and tail all you want, but don't even think about touching the verticoli. So. And then, like, it kind of took off. And then for me, I mean, as you can tell, proof is in the pudding. Right?

[Spencer Newharth]

Good, good. Head of lettuce on chili.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah. Huh? And it just. Yeah, it shimmers and. Okay, I like it.

[Spencer Newharth]

Mane and tail. I like.

[Chili]

I do nothing for the stash. And I like to wash the hair, like maybe once a week. We can tell Keep it greasy.

[Spencer Newharth]

That, that was the fun one, Phil. Let's hear what this dark twisted one is.

[Phil]

Oh, no, it's not. I just meant, I said real, not, not like, man, we're going to get real. I just meant like, it's a real.

[Chili]

Question.

[Phil]

Whether it is the fastest time you have filled a turkey tag. Do you pass up the bird that comes out first light on the first day? He said he lives in a single bird bag limit area. That's from Will.

[Chili]

I got a story that could tie a handful of things together that we talked about.

[Spencer Newharth]

Please do it.

[Chili]

Last Saturday, we, my wife and I killed some turkeys in the morning and then we went to a different spot and this was probably about 1130 ish, and got to a ridge, made a call. Turkey gobbled like 200, probably 250ish away. And within, I don't know, a couple minutes, that thing was dead. It just came running.

[Spencer Newharth]

That's efficient.

[Chili]

Yep. And it was that. It was that, you know, that mid or that late morning hour, which hens went to sit and he was lonely.

[Spencer Newharth]

Did it ever cross your mind to pass on that bird so you could.

[Chili]

Well, my wife, my wife was shooting on that one. I was just calling and, and I guarantee it didn't pass her mind.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, it's never crossed my mind. Illegal turkey. The quickest I ever killed him was my first archery bird. It was, it was opening morning. I, I was set up way too close to the roost. What would be considered too close? But it worked out anyway. Bird came down right off the roost, walked into my decoys and I, I shot him dead. As far as passing on a bird first light of the day. Nah, no, thanks.

[Chili]

Yeah, I don't pass on turkeys unless they're Jake's. I'm, I'm to the point where I don't shoot jakes anymore, but.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right, moving on. Our next segment is One Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk?

[Brian Schroeder]

Go ahead, make my cast.

[Spencer Newharth]

One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, we'll make a 500 donation to a conservation group. And for the whole month of April, our friends at Trout Unlimited are joining us for One Minute Fishing this week. Our angler is Jesse Vidala, the Eastern Region Manager at tu. Today he's on a tributary of the Housatonic river in Connecticut and fishing for a donation to Trout Unlimited. Jesse, welcome to the show.

[G]

Hey, guys, how you doing? I'm sorry to give you the most chaotic and worst audio possible, but I am quite literally next to a racetrack at the moment. Moment also a wild trout.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, well, someone's gonna figure out very easily where Jesse is then. Today, Jesse, we asked Trout Unlimited to highlight some important watersheds across the country for this segment. So, first thing, tell us about the wild trout streams of New England and their greatest threats.

[G]

Totally. So it does tie into where I'm standing right now. This is the Salmon Kill Creek, which is right across from the Lime Rock Speedway. It's a wild trout trout tributary that had stunted habitat and tough deals with erosion. So what we're doing largely at TU across the Northeast is for wild trout, specifically the brook trout. We're working on improving connectivity, removing culverts and barriers. We have a beautiful open bridge here that we're checking in on, and that's where I'll be fishing right below. But, yeah, we're doing a lot for connectivity and improving habitat for wild trout.

[Spencer Newharth]

So what are some other things that TU has done to help fisheries of the Northeast?

[G]

TU has been a grassroots organization that largely focuses on educating the next generation. And today I've got about 25 students out here that are planting trees in a riparian buffer. This is an annual program where kids get out and learn more. That's the bread and butter of tu, is teaching the next generation about fly fishing and how important healthy, cold rivers are. So that's what we do. And it's evident in my work today, even though I'm quite literally catching the Porsche race, a team moving behind me.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right, let's talk about the fishing. What are you targeting today and how are you doing it?

[G]

Totally. So real quick. Obviously, as a Catskill dry fly angler, I'm always paying attention to the hatches. This time of year, we're starting to see Hendrickson's male and female. So I'm fishing in a merger that has both a dark Hendrickson and light Hendrickson kind of co Thorax color. Super optimistic to try and catch fish on dries on a bluebird day like today. So if it doesn't happen, I'm going to shoot some of the bigger holes below for the bigger brown trout. Usually fishing something like a small but wiggly black marabou streamer. Something cool to get their attention when they're hanging out low.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay. And when we talked to you before the show, you were very concerned about spooking trout. Do you think that's going to be an issue when you get to the water?

[G]

Yeah, actually, I think the cars might spook them more than me, but I'm walking over there right now. We're going to see how this goes.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay.

[G]

It could even get worse, but I feel like if you don't want it, live fly fishing, you're getting it.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah. Your one minute of fishing will start as soon as you make that first cast. He is walking through the lanes of the racetrack right now, headed to the water.

[Phil]

Cars zipping by.

[Spencer Newharth]

And we've now lost him.

[G]

Well, I think with me in this chaotic fishing.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, Jesse, are you. Are you set up and ready to make your cast?

[G]

Man, I'm walking into the stream sign right now.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, now, the. The green. The green on the trees in the background makes me think of morel mushrooms. Have the. The kids planting all those trees come across any mushroom patches yet?

[G]

Good question. We're still a few more. I would say a week, maybe two weeks at most. Pretty well closely aligned to turkey season. We see morels up this way. A lot of ramps still out and about on the streams. That's a big one. Yeah, we've been able to find some, so I think pretty soon we'll start seeing morels. I'm gonna set y'all up right where I had you before and hope for the best.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay. Jesse is about to make his first cast. The timer will start when he makes that first cast. The video and audio are getting a little choppy, and he's got a fly in the water.

[Chili]

There it is.

[Spencer Newharth]

Seth, would you be on that racetrack?

[G]

There are actually light hendricksons near the water and some small.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, you've got 45 seconds left.

[Chili]

I'd probably more likely be on the river than the racetrack.

[Spencer Newharth]

Jesse's feeling confident. He's saying that his fly is matching what he's seeing in the water.

[G]

Throwing One more.

[Spencer Newharth]

30 seconds to go.

[G]

Oh, yeah, that's that ledge.

[Spencer Newharth]

Let's get to eat.

[G]

We're going in. There's a natural right next to it. No e. It's not looking good, folks.

[Spencer Newharth]

You got 15 seconds, Jesse.

[Phil]

I do like that he's providing his own commentary.

[G]

I'm putting another clean one upstream.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay. You got. Got 10 seconds.

[G]

I won't stretch up stream.

[Spencer Newharth]

One more.

[G]

Let's do it all the way in. All right.

[Spencer Newharth]

Didn't happen today for Jesse. Sam, thank.

[G]

Thank you all for the chance and supporting what we do at tu. Appreciate it.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, yeah. Thanks for joining us. Jesse, good luck with the rest of the day fishing.

[Chili]

Thanks, man.

[G]

Thanks so much. Thank you. Take care.

[Spencer Newharth]

One minute. Fishing always brings some chaos to the show, but we like it. All right, here's some more chaos. Our next segment is the Price is Right.

[Phil]

Oh, here it comes. From Bozeman, Montana, Meteor radio's most exciting 10 minutes, it's the Price is Right.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Seth Morris, come on now. Mr. Chili, come on down. You're the next two contestants on meat Eater Radio's the prize is right. Now, here's your host, Spencer Newhart.

[Spencer Newharth]

Thank you, Phil. Now, this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the meat eater universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout out from Phil. All right, there are three products on today's show. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid.

[Phil]

Clicking a lot of buttons here, Spencer. Just give me one sec. Got to turn off this banner. It's kind of in the way.

[Chili]

I just want everyone to know that, that what Phil just did was live. It wasn't like a drop.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, he brings all the energy.

[Phil]

Well, let's start today's bidding with a three piece walleye dinner from Culver's. For one month every year during Lent, Culver's adds a deep fried walleye to their menu. Each filet, which comes from crystal clear Canadian waters, is hand battered and cooked. To order, their Northwoods walleye three piece dinner comes with tartar sauce, a warm roll, a soda, and two sides. You'll get to choose from a garden salad, crinkle cut fries, coleslaw, cheese curds, chili or pretzel bites.

[Spencer Newharth]

And don't forget to save room for custard after eating those one and a half walleyes. The flavor of the day today is chocolate caramel twist at the Onalaska, Wisconsin location, which is where I source the price for this dinner. It's a three piece walleye dinner from Culver's. Two sides, a soda, a warm roll, and tartar sauce. And them are some big old fillets. Seth, how do you think, how big do you think them walleyes were?

[Chili]

25?

[Spencer Newharth]

Yes, 20 plus. For sure. These, these are some healthy.

[Chili]

I wonder where they're getting those Great Lakes.

[Spencer Newharth]

Probably Canada.

[Chili]

Canada.

[Spencer Newharth]

That's, that's what their website says now when they say Canada. I don't know if there's like aquaculture in Canada or if they're going out and netting some, some far away river or what the deal is, but it's. It's very well reviewed. Walleye from Culver's. A three piece dinner. And again, you boys cannot go over. If you go over, you will get it wrong.

[Chili]

Look at that sandwich, Chili.

[Spencer Newharth]

You know, every time I'm heading east on. On the interstate and I pass through Rapid City, that's the first time I can smell Culver's again. That's about as far west as they get.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah, I would.

[Chili]

Same answers.

[Spencer Newharth]

Well, leave it. You boys literally have the same answer.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

What if we get the right answer, dude?

[Chili]

Well, we can't. We gotta have a winner and a loser. We can't tie.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, Seth is c. Seen Chili's answer? Chili, you miss the Culver's back home in Rapid City?

[Chili]

I do?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I feel like. Yeah, you're right. They're outside of Rapid. West of Rapid. You don't find them?

[Spencer Newharth]

No.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

And if there are someone, let us know.

[Spencer Newharth]

But you can start to smell Casey's when you get that far east here.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. No, I do miss. I do miss a Culver's burger.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right, you boys ready?

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

And this price is from Onalaska. Whiskey godson. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying $13, and Chili says 12.9.

[Chili]

I want everyone to know if Chili wins this. I had that first.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Well, maybe you shouldn't be so. I don't know. I don't.

[Phil]

I'm.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I'm not gonna say that that's bad. Just stick to your answer.

[Seth Morris]

Stick your answer.

[Spencer Newharth]

So you. You had 12.99 as well. Okay, both of you come up with a new answer then. You saw Chili's answer. We're gonna have you come up with a new answer. You are both lower than the correct answer, so come up with a new one. We. They Both wrote down 12.99. Seth then changed his answer. But we're gonna make them try one more time. We know the price is higher than 12.99. Chili, you have your answer.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I. I do?

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, you have your answer. Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have chili saying 14.99 and Seth saying 1450. The correct answer is $20.79. Giving chili that very first point.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Suck it, Seth.

[Spencer Newharth]

Them walleye ain't cheap, huh, Seth?

[Chili]

I guess not.

[Spencer Newharth]

Who did? Well, in the chat, Phil? Anybody get it around the right answer?

[Phil]

Yeah, I. I haven't looked for the last 30 seconds. We had Derek saying 1999. That was the closest.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh, and his last name is Xander. Xander is a European walleye.

[Chili]

That is fantastic.

[Spencer Newharth]

Well done, Derek Zane.

[Chili]

There's some of those in South Dakota.

[Spencer Newharth]

North Dakota.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

Cottonwood Lake, I think it is.

[Chili]

Yep. There you go.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right, Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid.

[Phil]

Well, if you prefer selling fish to buying fish, then how about owning your very own bait shop? Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle is located at the Jersey shore. This turnkey business comes with all of their inventory. Four bait freezers, a live bait tank, and a state of the Art POS system. Lacey's has been open since 1969 and is a fixture of the community. I forgot that I can't change the slide without getting the script out of my eyeballs, and now it is gone. Where was I? But there are some things money can't buy. Like the Lacey Township Police Department citizen recognition award that the business received in 2023. Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle got the honor after its owner saved the life of a customer who collapsed while shopping for bait.

[Spencer Newharth]

Amazing. And Lacy's claims to have an annual revenue of $920,000 and has been listed for sale since November 2023. Seth and Chili, what does that bait store cost? And Phil is showing us some pictures of Lacy. That is Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle, located at the Jersey shore. We're looking at some blood worms there. That appears to be one of their hot ticket items, based on Facebook.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Seth, you want to look at my answer?

[Chili]

Nope.

[Spencer Newharth]

You boys have an answer?

[Chili]

Yeah, I would love to own a bait shop someday.

[Spencer Newharth]

I think that be fun.

[Chili]

Oh, I think it'd be so fun. Especially if you had a bar in there too.

[Spencer Newharth]

Where would you put that bait shop at?

[Chili]

Oh, probably like upper Midwest. Yeah, that. That type of culture. I feel like this is more like ocean culture.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, this is very marine heavy in their area. They've got like a whole section of yacht paint in this bait store.

[Chili]

Yep. Yeah, I'd be. I'd be wanting to, like, you know, have a. Have some cheese curds or something in.

[Spencer Newharth]

There and, you know, smell like bait.

[Chili]

Have Chester come.

[Brian Schroeder]

Walkers.

[Spencer Newharth]

That's good. You boys ready?

[Chili]

Yep.

[Spencer Newharth]

Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got chili saying 1.3 million and Seth saying 1.4 million.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

You cheat.

[Spencer Newharth]

You're both too high, so you both need to try again.

[Chili]

Wow. What's on the Too high, huh?

[Spencer Newharth]

Has an annual revenue of 920,000. Now, that's revenue, not profit. So that's. That's their top line number, not their bottom line number. You guys have an answer?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

This isn't trivia.

[Chili]

I could probably just look this up.

[Spencer Newharth]

I suspect some of our audience is doing that. You guys ready?

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got chili saying 865 and Seth saying 930,000. They're still too high. Geez, they're gonna need to try again. We have yet to have this happen.

[Chili]

I guess. This place has been on the market for how long?

[Spencer Newharth]

Since November 2023.

[Phil]

I gotta say, everyone in the chat is right there with you guys.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay.

[Phil]

Too high.

[Spencer Newharth]

Too high. Wow. This. This bait store may have a lot of suitors after this episode. If you folks are willing to throw around 1.4 million, it could very easily be yours. Okay, you guys ready again?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

So even if he's, like, lower, but if I. If I'm over by 25k, but he's under by 300k, he wonder is important.

[Spencer Newharth]

You're automatically disqualified if you're over. Are you ready? Okay. Seth is going back to.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I'm gonna.

[Spencer Newharth]

So is Chilli.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

We're gonna go.

[Chili]

You're going low.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Chili]

They figured out the game.

[Spencer Newharth]

Are you ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got chili saying 460,000 and Seth saying 475,000. They're still too high.

[Chili]

Oh, my God.

[Spencer Newharth]

They're going back to the whiteboards for a fourth attempt.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

We got ourselves a game, folks. You went to something, didn't you? 245.

[Spencer Newharth]

We've started at 1.4 million. We're all the way down to under 460,000. At this point, Seth and Chili are on their fourth attempt of guessing the price of Lacy Marine Tackle at the Jersey.

[Chili]

No, I'm sticking. I'm just sticking.

[Spencer Newharth]

Are you ready? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got. Seth says $56.

[Chili]

No, that's. Oh, that's five bucks.

[Spencer Newharth]

Five bucks. He says five dollars. Chili says 244,000. The correct answer is 279,000. Giving Chili the second point.

[Chili]

And I should have it with five bucks.

[Spencer Newharth]

Victory.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

That's not bad for a tackle shop.

[Spencer Newharth]

Hey, it could be yours. Like I said, a lot of folks in the chat may be outbidding you, though.

[Phil]

Well, here's the. Okay, really quick. A bunch of people started getting closer after, like, the third. You're too high. But Pit Pass podcast guessed 210 right off the bat, so I'm gonna call them the winners.

[Spencer Newharth]

Pit pass. You get that point? Phil lets her hear about our third item up for bid. We'll see if. If Chilli can get the skunk on Seth and make him run around the Office Naked, as is tradition.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Nobody wants to.

[Phil]

If you're looking to fill that bait shop with decor, then how about an autographed Jaws poster? This movie poster has a certificate of authenticity, meaning it's the real deal. It measures 26 inches by 38 inches and is signed by four members of the cast, plus Steven Spielberg. Actually, I will tell you that John Williams is not a member of the cast, but a composer of the soundtrack. The Oscar winning film turns 50 years old this year, giving you a chance to own a piece piece of cinema history.

[Spencer Newharth]

The ebay seller also offers a jockey's costume from Seabiscuit and 23 Disney DVDs. All right, Seth and Chili, what does that signed Jaws poster cost? Who's the composer, Phil?

[Phil]

John Williams.

[Spencer Newharth]

John Williams. And I think that's how they won their Oscar was via their music. It was not Best Picture or Best Lead Actor, anything like that. Best music.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

You said that this fella has this on ebay?

[Spencer Newharth]

On ebay.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Okay, so he's not trying to, like, sell this at it. Okay.

[Spencer Newharth]

And he's also selling jockey's costume from Seabiscuit and 23 Disney DVDs.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

That gives me some thoughts. Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

You ready?

[Chili]

I'm ready.

[Spencer Newharth]

Go ahead and reveal your answers. We got Chili saying $11,000, and Seth goes with $1.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

That's bush league. Correct answer. You're such a bush leaguer, dude.

[Chili]

Have you ever watched this show? Yeah, Price is right. Yeah, $1 wins a lot.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, but the correct answer is $190. Giving Seth his third point. And he's quite satisfied. I'm sorry. His first point. Chili is the winner. Today's game. This is right.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Don't talk to me.

[Chili]

Phil.

[Spencer Newharth]

How'd the chat do?

[Phil]

We had Dylan Jenkins saying 175. I believe that was the closest without going over. Oh, nope, nope. Nick said 189, which is kind of suspiciously close.

[Spencer Newharth]

I feel like I've heard that name during the prices right before Nick.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I think Nick is about to buy himself a new poster.

[Spencer Newharth]

All right, good. That ends today's game of prices. Right. Thanks for playing along, everybody. And remember, to help control the pet population, have your pets spayed and neutered. All right, our next segment is Tattoos I regret.

[Phil]

Hello, darkness, my old friend. I've looked at my tattoo again. It really seemed like such a good idea when I was drunk last summer in Ibiza. The tattoo says, a puss in the pot will always find more beans. What the does that mean? It's a tattoo. I regret.

[Spencer Newharth]

Now. I'm so thrilled about today's tattoo that for only the second time ever, we have the person with the regrettable tattoo joining us live. Here she is now, Amanda Fairbairn. Kimmery, welcome to the show.

[J]

Thanks. Thanks for having me, guys.

[Spencer Newharth]

Amanda, let's get some backstory before we reveal your tattoo. First thing, when did you get this?

[J]

I got it almost probably, like, a decade ago when I was a junior in college at Clemson.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay. And what was going on that day when you got that tattoo?

[J]

My friend and I were having ourselves a good Saturday, and at the time, Clemson was winning the national championship. Everyone was getting, you know, go, Tigers, Tigs, Clemson tattooed on the inside of their lip. It was like a new trend, I guess. And my friend and I were sitting there. I'm like, what is just the most outrageous and ridiculous tattoo you can think of?

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay. That's how you landed on this idea. Have you ever met another person with this tattoo?

[J]

No, I haven't. I've met hundreds of people with lip tattoos. And, like, when the video of me went viral, I was reading the comments. Everyone was commenting, like, what their lip tattoo that they had was, and I was really expecting someone else to have something similar, but no, not a soul yet.

[Spencer Newharth]

Is this your only tattoo?

[J]

So, no, I actually have four other tattoos, and they're actually all related to the outdoors in some way as well.

[Spencer Newharth]

Ah. All right, well, let's. Let's reveal your tattoo and then explain its meaning for us.

[J]

Okay, so it's 1804-1806. Yes, 1804-1806. And it is the dates of the Lewis and Clark expedition.

[Spencer Newharth]

Love that. Why? Why the Lewis and Clark expedition dates?

[J]

I mean, when sitting out, you know, on a nice Saturday with my friend, we were thinking, what is the most outrageous thing? What. What else could you possibly think of other than something having to do with history way back when? That kind of people forget after grade school too, you know?

[Spencer Newharth]

So what ideas did you pass on before landing on 1804-1806 on the inside of your bottom lip?

[J]

So we passed on my mom's phone number. Oh, I think she's probably very grateful that I no longer. I did not have that. And then we also passed on, I think it was Bill Gates's birthday.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh, okay.

[J]

Yeah. Like I said, just we were thinking about outrageous and random things, and then my friend got the dates of the Mayan calendar when it was expected to end. She got those days tattooed on the.

[Spencer Newharth]

Okay, very good. Now, what do your friends and family think of the tattoo?

[J]

When I first got It. They just thought it was stupid, and, you know, they figured out it'll fade in one to three years. Whatever. Well, here we are almost a decade later, and they still think it's just as outrageous, but it's brought a lot of joy and laughter, so everyone just thinks it's funny.

[Spencer Newharth]

Now, do your other friends with lip tattoos have their lip tattoos faded? Because I've always heard it said that that's a thing that they fade, but then that hasn't seemed to be a real.

[J]

Yeah, so, like, that's why everyone started getting them, like, a decade ago is because everyone's like, oh, who cares? Like, it fades in one to three years. But, yeah, no, hers, actually, my friend that I got it with, hers is pretty faded. I think there's still a little bit left of it, but hers is pretty faded. Mine's going strong, though.

[Spencer Newharth]

Do you actually regret the tattoo, though?

[J]

I'm gonna say no. If you would have told me when I got it that it would last probably my entire life, I probably wouldn't have gotten it then. But looking back now, it's just brought everyone so much joy and laughter, and it's actually the reason my husband and I are together.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh, how did that come to be?

[J]

So when we met, we met at a mutual friend's house for a party. And at that said party, you know, he was there with his boys, and he was like, I'm not gonna talk to any girls tonight. I'm just gonna hang out with the guys. He told me this later in our relationship. Um, but then later on, he also admitted that the minute he found out I had that lip tattoo, he's like, I'll talk to her. Like, she seems like a pretty cool girl.

[Spencer Newharth]

Wow.

[J]

And now we're married.

[Spencer Newharth]

That's great. Well, traditionally, during this segment, we shame people for having bad tattoos, but we're not going to do that. I think it's so damn cool, and I'm jealous I didn't think of it first. Why didn't I come up with putting the dates of the Lewis and Clark expedition on the inside of my lip?

[Chili]

Yeah, that's like, something you would totally do.

[Spencer Newharth]

I know, but now we're talking to Amanda instead, who. Who did have that great idea on a drunk Saturday.

[J]

Hopefully one day someone else will have the same lip tattoo.

[Spencer Newharth]

That's right. All right, Amanda, thank you for joining us, and thanks for sharing your tattoo that you absolutely should not regret.

[J]

Thanks for having me, guys. Appreciate it.

[Spencer Newharth]

Chili, do you regret any of your tattoos?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Not a one.

[Spencer Newharth]

How many do you Have.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Oh, I don't even know.

[Spencer Newharth]

30?

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

No, not that many. Almost 20.

[Spencer Newharth]

Maybe you don't regret any of them? No, I think the only regret I have is like, I didn't do something bigger. I don't have regrets about like, oh, shouldn't have done that.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

I have dead man's hand here right above my watch. I wish I would have done that bigger.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Yeah, that would have.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

I like that tattoo a lot. I wish you would have done it bigger.

[Spencer Newharth]

Thank you. Chitlin.

[Chili]

Your tattoos are really like, a lot of thought went into them.

[Spencer Newharth]

I feel like, oh, I appreciate it. Well, I did a thing that most people with tattoos don't do. Like, I didn't start getting them till I was almost 30 years old.

[Chili]

Yeah.

[Spencer Newharth]

You know your tattoo era is when you're in college or something. And I was just too broke to afford them then.

[Chili]

Yep.

[Spencer Newharth]

So now I had a wiser version of me coming up with bad tattoo ideas.

[Chili]

I like them.

[Spencer Newharth]

Thank you, Seth. All right, that brings us to the end of the show. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

[Phil]

Yeah, we got a few more in here. First I just wanted to shout out Mogor who, who got back to us. He says he officially passed the Hungarian state hunting exam. Says, inspired by meat eater. So good job, Moore. Congrats. Congrats on that. Devin asks, well, first of all, last chance to get questions in. Do that right now. Devin asks, any good recommendations or favorites for solo camping tents or hunting trips? Looking forward to doing my first deer hunt later this year.

[Spencer Newharth]

What do you think, Seth?

[Chili]

I have a, it's a Nemo. I don't remember what model, but it's just like a one person real light. It's a three season, so keep that in mind if you're going to be in some cold, snowy weather. But I enjoy that thing. It's super light. I fit in it great.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

And yeah, Chili, I'm, I'm a fan of the Seek outside Cimarron. It's a four man tent. Probably get two fully grown men in there. But the cool thing about that one is too, it has a, you can, if you purchase a stove, you can run a stove out of it too. So if you are late season hunting, you can, you can have some warmth with you. Obviously you have to do some more logistics when it comes to where you're going packing in wood and all that stuff. But I, and that thing's great in the summer as well, so pretty lightweight and it's a very, very low profile as far as packing. So that's why I like it.

[Chili]

Stoves are nice.

[Spencer Newharth]

Devin. I tended for most of my deer hunts and usually I'm solo. I run a three person tent. I find that's the right size for me to be like very comfortable in there. And I'm talking about car camp camping specifically where I can fit a cot, I can fit a little heater, I can like hang up my socks and clothes to dry real nice. Seth had brought up having a three season tent. If you're hunting in the fall, which sounds like you are on this deer hunt, I, I think it's very important to have a four seasons tent and, and those ratings are sort of done different by each company. I don't think there's any like legal obligation to call it a three season tent or a four season tent if it fits this certain criteria. But I think Devin, if, if it's important to you to stay warm at night and you're hunting anytime, you know, from mid October on in the north, look for a four season tent. And if you know you're going to be by yourself, three people, a three person tent will keep you really comfortable. I run an Alps Tasmanian tent. I've had that for five years. I, I really love it. I'm very cozy in there.

[Chili]

Yeah. And I was thinking more backcountry stuff but if you are car cam and go with a bigger tent. Yeah, it's just nicer to have the extra room.

[Spencer Newharth]

Phil, what else you got?

[Phil]

The only reason I'm going to put this guy's name on the screen is because he specifically told me how to pronounce his last name. But this is kind of an ethical cheddar kit esque moral conundrum here. But here we go. Brad asks, while being a father of three with food prices as high as they are, is it okay to accept game meat that was probably poached?

[Spencer Newharth]

And how do you pronounce his last name?

[Phil]

Phil Watucky, in case anyone wants to look for him.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, take that game meat Brad, you're fine. It's not going to taste any different I don't think. Would you boys have any. If you needed to feed a family of three, would you take some poached meat? We don't know.

[Chili]

He doesn't know that. So yeah, I take it.

[Spencer Newharth]

Yeah, yeah, take that meat brown and then when you're feeding it to folks you can talk about conservation. It gives you a good little nugget of information to share with other people.

[Phil]

Plausible deniability.

[Spencer Newharth]

There you go.

[Phil]

Nobody knows. Let's see here Favorite way to cook turkey breast that isn't schnitzel or nuggets, which he already loves to make. This is from Keith.

[Spencer Newharth]

Seth, what are you doing with all that turkey meat?

[Chili]

Well, schnitzel and nuggets are my.

[Phil]

Go to.

[Chili]

My wife and I did a stir fry the other night which was fantastic. I just kind of sliced it up in like, thin strips and did that. It was great. Served it over rice.

[Spencer Newharth]

Keith, go to the meat eater.com on our recipe section. You can search, you can put the criteria in there for only turkey meat. You'll get all kinds of great recipes from people who are far better cooks than us, and there'll be a lot of inspiration there. That's not schnitzel or nuggets.

[Chili]

Seth.

[Phil]

This is from Will. Seth, I've watched you and Steve's trapping, skinning and fleshing videos. Will y'all ever do a tanning follow up or do you have any tips right now? He said he recently started and his coons always come out greasy and stiff.

[Chili]

I don't do any tanning. I send everything off to the tannery to get tanned professionally. I just, I never got into the tanning thing.

[Spencer Newharth]

Did you ever mess around with, like, quick tan? Isn't that something that.

[Chili]

No, I. When I was younger, I used to, like, kill squirrels and just salt the heck at, like, stretch them and salt the heck out of them.

[Spencer Newharth]

And where are them squirrels at now?

[Chili]

Oh, they're probably rotted away somewhere. Honestly, I have no clue. I might have one or two left back in my mom's house in Pennsylvania. But, yeah, that wasn't a forever type. Okay treatment. But, yeah, I. I've honestly never tanned anything like legit tan something, so. So can't really help you there.

[Spencer Newharth]

What else you got, Phil?

[Phil]

Any experience putting electronics on a pontoon? That's from Brian.

[Chili]

Not on a pontoon, but a lot of electronics with other boats. What do you need to know?

[Spencer Newharth]

Well, he's asking about, oh, Hummingbird Lowrance.

[Chili]

I'd go with the bird, but I kind of. It just depends. Hummingbird has better mapping, and I bet.

[Spencer Newharth]

On a pontoon it's a little more simple like, you know, plumbing your electronics through the bottom than it would be with a traditional V Hall boat, but. But I don't know. Brian, have you seen a lot of.

[Amanda Fairbairn Kimry]

Electronics on pontoons like that?

[Chili]

Yeah, I know. Max Barter's father in law, Walleye Dan.

[Spencer Newharth]

He.

[Chili]

He guides out of a pontoon. Oh, yeah. He probably has lots of experience with rigging pontoon boats, but as far as I'm concerned, I think a pontoon boat's a great fishing vessel.

[Spencer Newharth]

Gives you a lot of surface space to walk around in there.

[Chili]

Yeah, for sure.

[Spencer Newharth]

And I imagine if you're rigging up a pontoon with expensive electronics, that you're trying to be a good family man, Brian. You're trying to have one foot in both worlds of good fishing and taking the kids out on the river or the lake on a Saturday. It's good on you, Brian.

[Phil]

We'll do one more here. But first, Brian, who won the hot tip off, said he got busy at work and missed it live. But he just popped in and says thanks so much. So, yeah, Brian, be on the lookout for something from Corey here, if he hasn't already messaged you already.

[Spencer Newharth]

Well done.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah, that's a pro. Good producer.

[Chili]

Good tip, Brian.

[Phil]

Last one from Ben Spencer. Have you ever tried paddle fishing by Yankton? He said he's from the area and wants to get his first spoonie.

[Spencer Newharth]

I have done it, Ben. It was. It was like some of my favorite outdoor memories as a kid. The. The fishing is. Even in the bad years, it's very good by Yankton. That's where a dam is on the Missouri River. It's the last dam on the Missouri river, and a lot of fish get stacked up there. It's a lot of fun. It's not a thing where you have to be up super early or stay out till the last minute of daylight. There's really, really good camaraderie with it, Ben. And I assume if you're a resident, you get access to better water than everyone else, and so enjoy that. Ben, keep buying those preference points. Know what the slot is and. And how to measure it. Folks are very willing to give tips on. On how to do it, how to rig your weights and your. Your treble hooks. Be afraid to ask someone if. If you need some help, but enjoy it. It's. I. I miss it a lot. All right, that brings us to the end of the show. Thanks, everyone, for watching and listening. We'll see you guys back here in one week. Hey, Spencer Newharth here to tell you about an exciting new project. I am thrilled to introduce Meat Eater Wordle. It's a word game.

[Phil]

Wait, wait, wait. You can't call it that.

[Spencer Newharth]

Why?

[Phil]

Well, because of copyright stuff. That name is probably property of the New York Times or something.

[Spencer Newharth]

Oh, well, what should we call it?

[Phil]

I don't know. What is it exactly?

[Spencer Newharth]

Well, it's a lot like wordle. Players get six tries to solve a five letter word from categories like hunting, fishing, animals, nature. Then you get to compare your score to the scores from the meat eater crew. And new games will drop every Monday morning on our website.

[Phil]

I think the perfect name would kind of sound like wordle, you know, have two syllables and end with le. Oh, and it has to be an outdoorsy word.

[Spencer Newharth]

Hmm. Introducing meat eater. Turtle. It's like wordle but better. You can play it right [e-mail] games.