Ep. 719: Answering Your Questions! | MeatEater Radio (Not) Live!

Summary

The MeatEater Podcast – Episode 719: Answering Your Questions! | MeatEater Radio (Not) Live!

Release Date: June 20, 2025

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In Episode 719 of The MeatEater Podcast, host Steven Rinella, alongside co-hosts Corey Jacobsen, Randall, and Phil, engages with listeners by answering a series of hunting and outdoor-related questions. This episode, pre-recorded in observance of Juneteenth, delves into topics ranging from hunting land access for newcomers to preparing for specific hunts. The hosts infuse humor and camaraderie throughout, making the episode both informative and entertaining.

Summer Weather and Its Impact on Hunting and Fishing

The conversation kicks off with the hosts discussing the unusually hot summer weather affecting Montana. Randall shares his concerns:

"Waters in western Montana are drying up. The rivers are drying up. Reservoirs are not going to fill up this year. It's not looking good." ([03:34])

Steve Rinella probes the implications for fishing:

"So you're telling me you're not going to fish much this summer?" ([04:15])

Randall elaborates on the challenges:

"If it gets honestly towards 70, you should put your fly fishing gear down and go do something else. Get up a little earlier and fish early in the mornings." ([05:20])

The hosts discuss the concept of "hoot owl" hours—times when fishing is restricted due to high water temperatures—and emphasize the importance of monitoring water temperatures to maintain sustainable fishing practices.

Corey Jacobsen’s Ultra Running Experiences

Corey shares an anecdote from his recent participation in the Scout Mountain Ultra:

"I ran the 50 mile distance... I stumbled upon using a handkerchief that had ice in it. Game changer." ([07:58])

He recounts the challenges faced during the race, including unexpected falls and the uncomfortable experience of acute physical stress:

"Within the first 10 miles, I had two of those [emergency poops]. But between those two emergency poops, I had three falls." ([10:21])

Corey humorously describes his evolving relationship with running and its impact on his hunting preparedness, highlighting the physical demands of ultra-running and its relevance to outdoor pursuits.

Hosts’ Summer Plans

The hosts then shift focus to their personal summer endeavors. Steve Rinella announces his trip to Europe:

"I'm heading across the pond for a little tour of beer and bratwursts... sampling local tubed meats." ([17:55])

Meanwhile, Phil shares his family vacation plans to the Black Hills:

"We're going to be staying in the Badlands, so lovely." ([20:15])

Randall discusses attending the Dino Shindig in Ekalaka:

"We're gonna go out and dig some dinosaur bones, listen to some dinosaur research." ([19:56])

These segments provide listeners with a glimpse into the hosts' lives beyond the podcast, fostering a deeper connection with the audience.

Listener Q&A: Hunting Land Access for New Hunters

Michael M., a new hunter, seeks advice on finding accessible hunting land. Corey offers practical steps:

"Get yourself a smartphone, download OnX, find yourself on that map, and turn on the layer of public lands." ([25:27])

He further suggests engaging with local hunting clubs and conservation groups to facilitate land access. Steve Rinella adds the importance of reaching out to state fish and game offices for access programs.

Listener Q&A: Preparing for Elk Hunting

Randall Gibron T., an aspiring elk hunter in Idaho, asks about off-season preparation. The podcast features insights from Jason Phelps:

"You just need to have the confidence to be able to call in September... Practice is what makes you and builds how good you are." ([29:11])

Jason emphasizes the significance of building muscle memory for elk calls and recommends using diaphragm and tube combos to enhance proficiency. Corey supplements with additional practices, highlighting the need for consistency in call training.

Listener Q&A: Getting in Shape for Sheep Hunting

Adam B. wins a Dall sheep hunt but hails from a flat region less conducive to mountainous treks. Randall and Corey provide tailored advice:

"Try to get up to the elevation and put a pack on... Nothing gets you trained in the mountains more than just being in the mountains." ([35:53])

They advocate for incorporating weighted hikes, utilizing natural obstacles like coolers for step-ups, and gradually increasing leg strength through varied movements to simulate hunting conditions.

Handling Confessions of Poachers

Leland Hart, a conservationist, finds himself a magnet for poachers sharing their illicit activities. Chester Floyd addresses this dilemma:

"It's really about using your best judgment. Make it educational. Let them know that they have done wrong." ([46:06])

The hosts agree on the importance of confronting such confessions with tough love, encouraging a responsible approach to handling potential law violations, and emphasizing the necessity of reporting severe misconduct to authorities.

Comments and Roasts

The episode incorporates humorous listener comments targeting Randall, blending playful teasing with camaraderie:

"Dr. Randall is insufferable. I mute it when he opens his mouth." ([39:35])

Corey and Phil engage in roasting Randall, highlighting the lighthearted dynamic among the hosts and fostering an engaging atmosphere for listeners.

Contest Announcement: Monthly Trail Cam Photo Contest

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts announce a new monthly trail cam photo contest in collaboration with Moultrie:

"We're looking for your funniest trail cam photos... Send them to [e-mail] before our June 26th show." ([65:00])

They encourage submissions that capture amusing wildlife moments, setting the theme for the month to ensure participation is aligned with the contest's objectives.

Closing Remarks

In their final moments, the hosts reflect on listener feedback and upcoming content, maintaining a friendly and inclusive tone:

"Happy summer, folks. The next time we see you all, the summer solstice will have passed and we'll be one season away from the fall." ([65:24])

They reiterate the importance of listener engagement and preview the next episode slated for June 26th, promising continued interaction and content variety.

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Notable Quotes:

• "Waters in western Montana are drying up. The rivers are drying up. Reservoirs are not going to fill up this year. It's not looking good." – Randall ([03:34])

• "If it gets honestly towards 70, you should put your fly fishing gear down and go do something else." – Randall ([05:20])

• "I ran the 50 mile distance... Game changer." – Corey Jacobsen ([07:58])

• "You just need to have the confidence to be able to call in September." – Jason Phelps ([29:11])

• "It's really about using your best judgment. Make it educational. Let them know that they have done wrong." – Chester Floyd ([46:06])

• "We're looking for your funniest trail cam photos... Send them to [e-mail] before our June 26th show." – Steve Rinella ([65:00])

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This episode of The MeatEater Podcast masterfully blends practical advice with entertaining banter, catering to both novice and seasoned outdoor enthusiasts. By addressing listener questions and incorporating interactive segments, the hosts foster a sense of community and shared passion for the outdoors.

Transcript

[Steve Rinella]

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[Steve Rinella]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Corey Jacobsen]

Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.

[Steve Rinella]

Meat Eater PODC welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. We're coming to you from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. But we're not live today. What? Yeah, no, this is for June 18th. 19th.

[Randall]

19Th.

[Steve Rinella]

This is June 19th. If you're listening to me now, it's Federal Holiday Juneteenth and we are recognizing that here by not being here. So this is a pre recorded episode and on today's episode we've got a great one for you. We're here to answer your questions from how to Handle Conversations with Poachers Are we two unique ways to prepare bear meat this Entire show is Q and A and it is June 19th today. So we are in the thick of things. Summer speaking. Boys have any fun summer plans? Oh, man, I stumbled through that intro. I don't think this is off to a good start.

[Randall]

I think you did great. I don't know who wrote this script, but you crushed that.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Pound some more of that beer. Lube it up. Randall.

[Steve Rinella]

That's a Pepsi.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Lubricate the wheels. What are you doing, Corey, man? Camping.

[Randall]

Been doing some camping. It's been a hot summer already. I feel like winter kind of.

[Phil]

Really?

[Randall]

Yeah, it feels like all of a sudden it's just been hot. Like it feels like it's July out and it's not. It's June 19th.

[Steve Rinella]

Yes. But it's actually it is June 9th.

[Randall]

June 9th that we're recording this and it's just. It's just hotter than it needs to be already.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I'll take it.

[Randall]

Was up near our state capitol over the weekend and it was really smoky. I think it's fires coming down from Canada, but it's like it's just coming on a little too early. I feel like spring held on pretty well, but then it like we need some snow.

[Steve Rinella]

Still the smoke rolled in and dramatically.

[Randall]

Waters in western Montana are drying up. The rivers are drying up. Reservoirs are not going to fill up this year. It's not looking good.

[Steve Rinella]

So you're telling me you're not going to fish much this summer?

[Randall]

I'm going to fish now and come summer I'm going to be shooting rocks from a slingshot at carp or something else. Not catching trout, that's for sure.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh yeah, maybe going to the reservoirs and practicing your spear fishing on some carp in the water. Bow fishing maybe that'd be cooler.

[Randall]

But yeah, get your Montana trout fishing now because it feels like it's going to be a hoot owl coming sooner than later.

[Corey Jacobsen]

What does hoot owl mean, Corey?

[Randall]

Well, that's just the term that they've coined when rivers get a little too warm. If it's above 72 degrees for a few days in a row, they'll shut the fishing down mostly in the afternoons. Usually it's around 2pm or whenever the water gets hot. But really you just need to have a thermometer in the water and use your head. If it gets honestly towards 70, you should put your fly fishing gear any your fishing gear down and go do something else. Get up a little earlier and fish early in the mornings. But we will see that here sooner than later, I'm sure.

[Corey Jacobsen]

So you should need to fish on owl hours.

[Randall]

Right.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I don't understand. They're only protected. A bunch of non natives. I can understand if they're killing a bunch of cutthroats, but. Yeah. A bunch of rainbows and browns in there.

[Randall]

Yeah. What point in evolution is something native and not and non native still? Like, if a rainbow is born in a river, obviously it's not from that area, but at what point, like, does it take thousands of years? Hundreds of thousands of years? At what point is an animal native to landscape?

[Corey Jacobsen]

You can ask that same question about humans.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

We were just up in Manitoba, you know, on that bear hunt and different parts of that country. Canada, not Manitoba, the province. But, you know, they. Depending on which province you're in, they really respect. They call them the First Nations. Right. Which we don't really use that term down here. I started thinking a lot about that. I'm like, well, they were first, but who was before them?

[Steve Rinella]

No one, maybe.

[Corey Jacobsen]

No one do we know.

[Randall]

All the evidence maybe is buried under the sand.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Like, does. Does their history go back that far where they're like, oh, no, like my ancestors came across the land bridge or my ancestors came down the coast and then migrated?

[Steve Rinella]

I mean, I think so. They. There's really no other way they. You could have ended up indigenous without having some lineage that goes back to that. Right. Hmm.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I just don't think we know all the details yet, do you? You do way more reading about this than I do.

[Steve Rinella]

I mean, I. We're getting into. We're getting into some pretty heady territory here, guys.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, we are. This is not where you want to go with this.

[Steve Rinella]

No, no, I.

[Corey Jacobsen]

We're supposed to just be talking about what we're doing. This.

[Phil]

What's the meaning of life?

[Steve Rinella]

Giannis, I heard you're running a race this summer.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Speaking of being hot this summer, I ran a race a couple days ago last week. If you're listening to this, on June 19th in Pocatello, Idaho, called the Scout Mountain ultra, ran the 50 mile distance, which actually in Scout Mountain is at. Scout Mountain is 55. For the first time ever, I used a handkerchief that. Or a bandana that was sewn shut, and it almost had like a sleeve on the long edge and the ends were open, like where you would tie it around your neck and. And you stuff ice in there and then you tie it around your neck. Game changer. And so.

[Steve Rinella]

So you did do this this past weekend. It's not coming up next weekend?

[Corey Jacobsen]

No.

[Steve Rinella]

Okay.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I already.

[Steve Rinella]

The level of detail convinced me.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yes. Yeah, game changer. And obviously it started with just a regular old bandana. Somebody decided to put some ice in a bandana and they've evolved, but I bet I would have run at least 30 minutes, maybe 60 minutes longer, and been way more affected by the heat had I not had this ice bandana.

[Randall]

You were able to find some ice to fill it up throughout the race.

[Corey Jacobsen]

So, yeah, most of these ultras, I would say all of them honestly, have eight stations and they're the. The longest distance that we went between eight stations was just over 10 miles. But most of the time they try to set them at like five to seven, but five sometimes can seem short because you're barely getting through what you've replenished before. You need more. 10 felt a little bit long, especially Saturday because I was like, I had drained all my liquids and everything. But anyways, they know it's going to be hot. They had ice at every single aid station. Lots of different, like, energy and caloric drinks, like the, you know, Gatorade type stuff, tailwind goo type stuff. But then also they'll just have little cups of Coke. Did they have some coke, ginger ale? Oh, yeah. But I don't understand why I'm always. I would rather drink flat Coke because then I don't have the carbonation bouncing around in my belly. But nobody at this race was. They were like, oh, we thought you'd like carbonation because it settles your stomach. You know how like when you're a kid and you're upset your mom gives you a little 7Up?

[Steve Rinella]

Ginger ale.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Saltine crackers.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. So I ran the 55 in preparation for the Crazy Mountain 100, which is at the end of July.

[Steve Rinella]

That'll be hot.

[Corey Jacobsen]

It could be. Could be cold too.

[Steve Rinella]

It's true.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Weather in the crazies at the end of July.

[Randall]

Never know.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Don't know.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, July 4th last year, we were up there and getting snowed on.

[Corey Jacobsen]

You were up there? See, did a little hike. I mean, odds are it'll be warm on the warmer side of things than colder, but you never know. I'll be prepared for that. If it's colder, it'll be much easier running. What else? I want to tell you about my recent race.

[Steve Rinella]

I see here two emergency poops, Is that correct?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yes, but it was. It was a bad way to start the race. Within the first 10 miles, I had two of those. But between those two emergency poops, I had three falls. And at 47 years of age, my falls are not getting any easier. I used to kind of like, skid, roll, flip, and just, like, be right back on my feet and trudging along going like, oh, what was that? You know, and kind of take a couple deep breaths, make sure the ribs and lungs are okay. Now I, like, skid and pretty much come to us, halt on the ground, and then lift my face off the dirt, and I'm like, oh. And then I, you know, slowly, like a big buck getting up out of his bed, you know, get. Get up and stretch and, you know, then check and make sure everything's still working, and then proceed down the trail. I don't know if it was. I was wearing some new shoes that I didn't have too many miles in yet. The trail was like, mountain bike, single track. So it had a little bit of that, like, V to it.

[Steve Rinella]

It's got a belly.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. And it had like. Like that groove, you know what I'm talking about? And I don't know if that was getting to me because I talked to some other folks that actually fell in that same section, too. But, yeah, I've made it most of my life not needing to poop while I'm running, and those days are behind me.

[Steve Rinella]

Are all poops while you're running? Emergency poops. What crosses that threshold?

[Corey Jacobsen]

I think if I would have been able to. I knew I had an aid station coming up, and I'm kind of watching all my watch. I know what mileage it's at. I know how many miles I have to go. And if I could just make it to the aid station, and even if I was, you know, sprinting in there to go have a bowel movement, I would say, oh, it wasn't really an emergency. I had to poop.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

But these. These are like, oh, no, you're getting off the trail now and you're gonna poop. Talking to more ultra marathon runners, they're like, oh, if you don't have some of those, along with losing some toenails, fighting some nausea, you didn't really experience an ultramarathon.

[Randall]

Well, I would guess like a hundred miles. How long is that going to take you?

[Corey Jacobsen]

The goal is to do it under 30 miles. 30. Sorry, 30 hours.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Randall]

That's a few poops, yo.

[Corey Jacobsen]

For sure. Well, depending, because I think if.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, if you're traveling well, sometimes you can go two days.

[Randall]

I have that curse where when I start a new hunt, I don't poop for three or four days. It's bad.

[Steve Rinella]

Phil, what about you start a new video game? Are you things moving correctly or.

[Phil]

Yeah, I mean, I keep a bucket behind the couch, so just.

[Corey Jacobsen]

There you go.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

Boy, that's a hell of a hobby.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

Real pick to doozy.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. Picked a doozy. But it's. You know, we. We went to bed having this conversation. Like, why are we doing this? Like, in our group, someone said, yeah, my. Literally, my. My bunghole is, like, worn raw and on fire. Sorry for the F bomb, and that's no fun. Like, we're talking about, between the three of us, how many toenails we're gonna lose. Everybody's hobbling around, looks like you can barely walk. And, like, why. Why have we chosen this? Because I used to run just to be in shape for elk hunting. Yeah, right. Just to be able to chase the bull up the mountain. And now it's become a little bit more of a love for the run itself. But. And so we went to bed with questions, and I woke up and I said, you know, it's because it makes you feel alive. I think that's a. That's. There's no simpler answer than that.

[Steve Rinella]

It's beautiful.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. You guys have any other questions? I can tell you about my toenails. I can tell you about how I.

[Steve Rinella]

Almost lost a toenail during hunting season. I put a toe warmer in my boot, and then it flipped around and got on top of my toe, but I didn't want to take it out.

[Randall]

Time out. It was under your feet.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Randall]

What? They go on top of your foot.

[Corey Jacobsen]

No, they don't.

[Randall]

No, bud. Yeah, Top of your toes. Try it. You're walking around with a rolled up.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Listen, I know that what you're saying works, but the directions.

[Steve Rinella]

Never read.

[Corey Jacobsen]

The directions are the opposite. They, like, go.

[Steve Rinella]

Heat rises, baby.

[Randall]

Yeah, but you certainly feel the heat touching you. This is new.

[Steve Rinella]

I got this bad boy wrapped up around my big toe, and.

[Randall]

Ouch.

[Steve Rinella]

That toenail is still. It filled up with blood. Let's ask the live.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Let's ask the live chat. Do you guys go toe warmers on top or underneath your toes?

[Randall]

Let's ask Cal.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Let's. We'll wait for you guys to get back.

[Steve Rinella]

Phil, what do we have? Oh, never mind.

[Phil]

It's a 50. 50 split. Crazy. That settled nothing. I'm sorry, Yanis.

[Randall]

It's 11:15 on a Monday.

[Corey Jacobsen]

So it got in there. You still just hiked your tail off, and that little toenail pounded against that toe warmer, and that was the end of it.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Yeah. By the end of the day, I. I was limping pretty good, but I just never wanted to take My boot off.

[Corey Jacobsen]

It was real cold then. Do you lost it completely?

[Steve Rinella]

No, no, it just sort of died. And I've kind of trimmed it back to the quick.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Never lifted off.

[Steve Rinella]

Never lifted off, but it was no longer attached. It was just kind of floating. Yeah, it's been a weird one. Still pretty ugly at this point. So I'm wearing socks with crocs today.

[Randall]

Hey, so you can't get a peek fashion statement.

[Corey Jacobsen]

You know what my kids say these days? You're a dork if you go the opposite, which is what I do. I don't like wearing socks with my crocs, but the kids are like, no, that's the only way to wear crocs that. So you're in. You're good.

[Steve Rinella]

I love it.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Do you think by looking at my toes, you could tell me if I'm gonna lose the toenail or not?

[Randall]

Ooh, break them out.

[Steve Rinella]

No, I'd have to get in there and wiggle them like a tooth.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Well, they're not loose yet by any means. They just. There's a. Just a coloration to them that's different from my other toenails. And I think I still might be able to keep them, but everybody looks at them, is like, no, they're gone. You're done.

[Randall]

Is this your big toe?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, both my big toes and then two of the little ones on the right foot. They're both looking a little purpley.

[Randall]

You don't need those.

[Corey Jacobsen]

What I'm hoping is that if I'm going to lose them, I'm going to lose them before. Before I have to run a hundred miles. Because if I just don't have toenails there, life will be easy peasy. But if I have, like, loose, messed up, partially attached, painful, toenails could suck.

[Steve Rinella]

Put a little dental floss on them and tie it to a doorknob.

[Randall]

Oh, let's go.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. Did I tell you guys about the fellow that I lion hunted with one day? He's a buddy of Pete's, actually.

[Steve Rinella]

Do you have his toenails removed, Ed?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, has his. Oh, yeah, toenails removed for the sole purpose of sheep hunting.

[Randall]

Really?

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Had him removed completely.

[Steve Rinella]

Interesting.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. He said he thought he was a tough guy. And the doctor's like, yeah, we can, like, maybe do like, two. Because he was just going to go in and be like, take him. Take 10, please. Let's get this done. And the doc's like, now we'll do two. We'll see how it goes. And he's. And afterwards, he's like, oh, thank God. Because, yeah, I guess when you get your toenails removed, it's not fun.

[Steve Rinella]

But then he went back there five more times.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

Huh.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

No toenails.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, Ed's hardcore.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, no, he's into it.

[Steve Rinella]

Love it.

[Corey Jacobsen]

All right, well, let's move on from my running. I'll let you boys know how it goes when I'm done with a hundred.

[Randall]

Randall, what do you got going on this summer?

[Steve Rinella]

Oh, boy, are we doing. Yeah, I. I guess. Well, it's now June 19th, coming up shortly here. I'm heading across the pond for a little tour of beer and bratwursts. Oh, lovely.

[Randall]

Very nice.

[Corey Jacobsen]

In Deutschland.

[Steve Rinella]

Deutschland und Oesterreich, that's Austria. And I'm just gonna drink a lot of beer and eat a lot of pretzels and do a lot of sampling of local tubed meats. Oh, that sounds a little bit of walking.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Hey, if I.

[Steve Rinella]

10Th anniversary trip.

[Randall]

Oh, nice. Yeah, good call.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Latvia's not far away. You could take. Probably get a hundred dollar flight, then call me when you're over there.

[Steve Rinella]

Are you gonna be there?

[Corey Jacobsen]

I won't be, but, you know, just call him, call me back here and say, hey, I made it. Latvia is cool.

[Steve Rinella]

If you were gonna be there, I'd extend my trip and make it up there so we could look for some dog raccoons or whatever they are.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, I can make that happen, buddy. I could make a little raccoon dog trip happen for you. Well, that's awesome. That sounds like a great trip.

[Steve Rinella]

And then we're coming back and sort of immediately recording the next Mediator American History audiobook, which is no small source of anxiety. It's going to be great, but there's a lot of work to do. And then in August, you know, it just depends on how smoky everything is. I'm going to an event in Ekalaka. The dino shindig. Oh, that looks at the Carter County Museum. We're gonna go out and dig some dinosaur bones, listen to some dinosaur research. So, yeah, pretty big summer ahead of me, guys. Pretty big summer.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Is Spencer Newharth going with you to the dinosaur?

[Steve Rinella]

No, he's not. Tickets are limited, so. And. And to go out on the field expedition is a couple hundred bucks, so I didn't buy Spencer a ticket, long story short. But yeah, I'm excited.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Well, you think he'd love that?

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, I think he wants to go, but, you know, he's more of just a solid rock guy, I think.

[Randall]

When is this? It's like July.

[Steve Rinella]

Late July. Yep.

[Randall]

Ikalaka gets hot.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, yeah, no, I think it's gonna be very hot.

[Randall]

That'll be fun though. Phil, what about you?

[Phil]

Oh, thanks for asking, Corey. I don't have a whole lot going on. Going to the Black Hills with the family. It's our short little family vacay this year.

[Randall]

There you go.

[Phil]

That's pretty much all we've got planned.

[Randall]

You know, go see Mount Rushmore.

[Phil]

We are. The kids are excited. Yeah, yeah, they're stoked. So yeah, it'll be a fun time.

[Corey Jacobsen]

How did you get them fired up on Mount Rushmore?

[Phil]

They just like the idea of Mount Rushmore. I'm sure they'll be completely deflated once we actually get there and they see how far away it is and how far we had to drive to get there there. But for the time being they're stoked and that's. I'm just gonna hold on to that as long as I can.

[Randall]

Yeah. Think about swinging by Devil's Tower, which is kind of out of the way.

[Phil]

But I have been thinking about it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Randall]

Camp right underneath it.

[Corey Jacobsen]

And then there's Teddy Roosevelt national park too.

[Steve Rinella]

Maybe in North Dakota.

[Phil]

That's north.

[Randall]

Yeah. There's the Badlands.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

Badlands National Park. And just the Black Hills State park is worth the drive. They have a wild ass highway that goes round and round and it kind of frames. You go through these tunnels built into the rock that frames Mount Rushmore quite nicely.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Steve Rinella]

It's very thoughtfully done.

[Phil]

Yeah. We're actually going to be staying in the in the Badlands, so.

[Steve Rinella]

Lovely.

[Randall]

Deadwood is worth the stop too.

[Phil]

Oh, you don't have to tell me. I've already got plans.

[Randall]

Play some poker, Phil.

[Steve Rinella]

What's the chat saying?

[Phil]

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[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh oh oh.

[Steve Rinella]

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[Corey Jacobsen]

Well, that or comments. I don't know which one you want to do first. Or we can split. We can do a little bit of one and then bounce back and forth.

[Steve Rinella]

Let's we can bounce back and forth a little bit here. Let's begin with this question from Michael M. Michael M. I've recently been gifted two shotguns by my father in law who is handicapped and can no longer hunt. Inspired by this gesture and eager to connect with nature, I am determined to embark on my hunting journey. However, as a newcomer, I find the most daunting challenge is locating accessible land to hunt on. I would greatly appreciate any advice or resources you could share on how to find hunting land in general. Additionally, if there are any local programs, public lands, or community initiatives that facilitate land access for new hunters, I would be eager to learn more.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Great question.

[Steve Rinella]

Who wants to start here?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Giannis well, it's Almost as if this question was sent in under a pseudonym.

[Steve Rinella]

No, this is a genuine email.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I know, but I'm asking if pseudonym is the right term. I'm using, like a fake name.

[Randall]

No, that's the real deal.

[Steve Rinella]

But that is the real name.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I know, but I'm not asking you if my vocabulary is correct.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, pseudonym is a thank you. Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

As if someone from Onyx.

[Steve Rinella]

Oh, oh, I see, I see.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Under a pseudonym of Michael M. I.

[Steve Rinella]

Thought you're accusing Corey of making up this question.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, like some of the other ones. No, no.

[Randall]

Get out of here.

[Corey Jacobsen]

But Michael, it's very easy. Get yourself a smartphone, download yourself some Onyx, find yourself on that map, and then turn on the layer of public lands, and it will literally light up on your map of all the available public lands. And then usually you can click on said lands and find out more information about it and maybe even what you can can't hunt there. And then there's usually links to hunting regulations and so on and so forth. That would be my one piece of advice. I don't know about any initiatives that facilitate land access for new hunters, but I would say that you could go to sharing the land that our buddy Doug Duran runs and see if they might have some stuff going on, which is basically a cooperative where they find willing landowners that want to give some access. They come, they set them up with people like you that are looking to hunt and. And willing to do a little bit of work to get access to that land. And it's a great program. So there's stuff like that out there. If that still doesn't work, send some letters and go door knocking.

[Steve Rinella]

I would. Yeah, I would add to that. Get involved in, like, your local BHA chapter.

[Corey Jacobsen]

That's what I was saying.

[Steve Rinella]

Talk to make some friends who are in the same boat, and then also reach out to your local or your state fish and game office, because those. Most of those agencies have access programs, whether it's like, you know, public lands that they manage directly or private lands that they help administer public access to. And oftentimes they have, like, staffers who are specifically working on access issues. So it's their job, and that's what they want to do, is connect people with places to hunt. So don't be afraid to reach out to Fish and Game and see what they have going on.

[Randall]

Yeah, you took the words right out of my mouth. I was also thinking, if you have a local sporting goods store, go check out the bulletin board down there and see if there's any group get Togethers or some sort of event that you can.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Fundraisers, things like that.

[Randall]

Yep. Try mingling. Any local banquets?

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Randall]

It's unlimited.

[Steve Rinella]

I know at least in some states, there are organizations where you can go do boots on the ground conservation work. Like outside of bha, you know, there's like, organizations that are doing local projects. If you have like a, you know, like a local sportsman's group that's helping pole fence or whatever else, go get involved in that stuff. And people are more likely to extend an invite to you if they see that you're invested in it and out there in the world doing. Doing good work.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. And there's a very good chance that the work you'll be doing will be on land that you can go hunt.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

All right. I wish we knew what state Michael M. Was in, but. Oh, well, let's go on to. How do you pronounce this next one?

[Steve Rinella]

Randall Gibron T. I think this is a pseudonym from Corey Gibron. Gibron Jabron writes, I'll be hunting archery elk in Idaho for the first time this fall. What should I be doing to prepare as an elk caller in the off season? And to answer this question, here's Mr. Jason Phelps.

[Jason Phelps]

One of the most asked questions we get this time of the year is, what should I be doing as a caller in the off season to improve my chances for success come September? My short answer is always, you just need to have the confidence to be able to call in September. One of those biggest hurdles is you're out there, you're interacting with elk, you're on the elk, and you're just afraid to call. Yeah. There are a lot of situations where maybe calling is not the best answer, the best solution to find success. But there are a lot of situations where calling will bring that bull into archery range and be the thing that does matter. So how do you build that confidence? It's practicing right now in the offseason, I'm not going to get into, like, making perfect cow calls. How you make those. That's difficult. We got YouTube videos for that. You know, go search those up. But I relate this a lot to playing basketball. The game is where you get to show off how good you are. Practice is what makes you and builds how good you are. It's the same thing with archery, elk hunting and calling. We don't get enough reps out in the field during September to become good. You need to do that in the offseason. You need to have enough practice that you're confident when you go to Blow a call, you know exactly how that call is going to react. You know exactly how to repeat the call that you want. You know how to make this sound, a cow mew, an estrus whine, a challenge bugle lip ball, whatever it may be, you've did enough practice that your muscle memory, you can go out and make that call. So how do you do that? Like, ideally, we recommend offseason. Everybody goes back to a diaphragm and tube combo. Try to get that diaphragm to work if possible possible. It allows you to be hands free as an archer, as a muzzleloader hunter, so that you have control over your weapon while you're making calls. If that doesn't work, you know you got gag reflex or for some reason you just can't get the hang of it. We have designed some calls like the Easy Estrus Easy one, Easy Sucker on the cow call side to kind of cut that learning curve down. We've also designed the Easy Bugler on the Beagle tube side, which attaches to a lot of our new beagle tubes to just make that process easier and hopefully build your confidence. But whatever it is, this offseason, find something that builds confidence for you so that when it comes time to the big show in September, you're willing to make a call when needed to help your chances to bring that ball into range.

[Randall]

Well said. Oh, gets me excited. Let's go.

[Corey Jacobsen]

It's like that guy thinks about calling a lot or something.

[Steve Rinella]

I was going to say I don't really have much to add to that.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

Before we move on to our next.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Question, I was going to add. Can I add some.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, yeah, please, please.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Why is that funny?

[Steve Rinella]

No, we're just out of sync today. It's, you know, it's being Monday.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, you think that's what it is?

[Steve Rinella]

I think that's the pressure of being live.

[Phil]

You know, it provides a little bit more energy. You know, we, and I think the fact that we're. It's. That it's. It's 3:30 on a Monday.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Randall]

Could be.

[Phil]

But we gotta, we gotta remember, boys, we've got an audience. They might be, they might not be watching now, but they're out there.

[Steve Rinella]

I know, I know.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Please. I might be just a little bit low t because I'm drained from Saturday. So sorry audience, but do you have.

[Steve Rinella]

Stuff to add to the calling thing?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yes, I do.

[Phil]

The best, the best podcast. Apologize for themselves halfway through.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

What I, what I like to do. Don't look at me with those Deer lost in the headlights Look.

[Steve Rinella]

No, I just was looking at my face on the screen, and my face is really red.

[Randall]

Looks good.

[Steve Rinella]

Beat red. Look at my hand.

[Randall]

Cincinnati red.

[Steve Rinella]

Awful. Go ahead, please.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Jason's talking about calling a lot, and I fall in this trap, too. It's like I don't put enough reps in. And I try to get. Get plenty of summertime reps in with my calls, but I used to. I like to always practice. It's easy to have that call in your mouth for 10 minutes and have already tried to have blown 50 calls. Cal calls. And to then produce a good one. It's a much harder when your mouth is dry and you just put one in and you got to make one soft mew. So I always try to practice that. It's kind of like doing a cold barrel first shot. Right? Like, that's the one you're killing. The animal challenge, the cold bore challenge. Right. Same thing here. Dry diaphragm challenge. Chuck it in there. Do whatever you got to do with your saliva to get it ready in moist. Get in the right spot and see if you can just make that one perfect cow mew. That'll give you that confidence he was talking about.

[Randall]

Yeah. How about when you're physically prepping for elk hunting, when you're climbing a mountain with a ruck pack on or whatever.

[Steve Rinella]

You want to get into this next question here, huh?

[Randall]

Oh, well, no, not necessarily. Here's another one for you, though. Another idea is while you're shooting your bow, have a diaphragm in your mouth. Yanni, how many times have you tried stopping an elk at full draw with it? Some sort of noise cow call works really well.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I haven't, but it is one. I would probably just give them the old man look up here.

[Randall]

Yeah, but it's nice to have a diaper in your mouth while you're shooting. So that. Try it. It's good practice. Try it all.

[Steve Rinella]

Well, speaking of preparation. And then after this, maybe we could hit a comment or two, please. Speaking of preparation, our next question comes to us from Adam B. I won a Dall sheep hunt at a local wild sheep fundraiser.

[Randall]

Congrats.

[Steve Rinella]

Congrats. We're all happy for you. I've been doing a fair bit of hiking with a weighted pack, but where I live is flatter than a pancake. Do you have any pointers for me to help get in sheep shape before my August hunt?

[Randall]

Sheep shape.

[Corey Jacobsen]

This guy must live in Manitoba, where I just was. It's flat there, buddy.

[Randall]

Or Kansas.

[Steve Rinella]

To answer this Question here's Rich Froning. Question is, I want a doll sheep.

[Randall]

Hunt at a local wild sheep fundraiser. I've been doing a fair bit of hiking with a weighted pack, but where.

[Steve Rinella]

I live is flatter than a pancake. No, no. Phil, can we cut that for me.

[Randall]

To help get in sheep shape before my August hunt? Yes.

[Steve Rinella]

Several things. Use that ruck.

[Randall]

You can step up to a cooler.

[Ryan Seacrest]

If you have a box.

[Steve Rinella]

If you have a stadium nearby where.

[Randall]

You can get on some stairs, you.

[Steve Rinella]

Can throw in some squats, you can throw in some lunges. You can do some type of intervals.

[Randall]

Where maybe you run, run ruck, pop.

[Steve Rinella]

Down, do some burpees with the thing.

[Randall]

But the more you can move that weight in different ranges of motion. We like the squat, we like a lunge. Once again, stepping forward on a cooler, doing lateral step overs on a cooler.

[Corey Jacobsen]

There's all kinds of different movements you.

[Randall]

Can do, but you're going to need to build up that leg strength. And good luck in August. Nice.

[Steve Rinella]

Wow. Anything to add to that? Go out and run 100 miles.

[Corey Jacobsen]

That'll do it.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

But if it's a flat hundred, you're still going to be hurting.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, there's really nothing that compared to just stepping up on things.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Man.

[Randall]

Being that you won this hunt once in a lifetime type thing, most likely. Maybe plan on making a trip out to Colorado and go for a hike or two maybe a couple weeks before your hunt. If you have.

[Corey Jacobsen]

That's right. If he's, if he's not paying for anything, you should fly out to some high country and do some mega hiking. That's a great idea.

[Randall]

Definitely try and get up to the elevation and yeah, put a pack on. I mean, you can work on a step on a cooler all day long, but nothing gets you trained in the mountains more than just being in the mountains.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. Make sure you got some sheep feet trained up, too.

[Steve Rinella]

And it's nice because he knows when he's going sheep hunting so he knows when he can stop working out. See, the rest of us are all sort of like floating around here waiting for the sheep hunt, but he has a finish line in sight of when he can just go back to being a total slob after the hunt. Yeah, exactly Right.

[Randall]

Just let her all hang out.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Just suffer. Suffer for a couple months. You won't regret it.

[Randall]

Oh, good question.

[Steve Rinella]

Giannis, do you have any, any comments here? These. This is our stand in for comments from the chat. It's a new, new thing we're doing on not Live Mediator Radio Live.

[Corey Jacobsen]

We recently have done a new. It's not a new series. We've. We've added some episodes to this series. Media experiences. We did what it takes to lose zero. We did one called the Brush Gun. Have we released anything else yet?

[Randall]

277 fury.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh right, the 277 fury. Where Randall basically told us about the 277 fury and then we took that cartridge and shot a lot of bunch of stuff. A bunch of different mediums in super slow motion. Which was fun, but we didn't do it wrong. According to a lot of these comments here on YouTube. Eric, AA51 says you all missed the point of a brush gun. It's to carry, walk and hunt in the brush. Not. I think he missed the word shoot through brush. Short light, easy to get on target. No glass. 30, 30, 45, 70, 44 Mag. 357. See a theme here, Southeast Hunter. Here, wood so thick, 30 yards is a long shot at time. Guns at bow range, hunting clear cut timber lots.

[Steve Rinella]

So you did get it wrong.

[Randall]

Great point.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. Which I. I think that we spoke to that in our brush gun video.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

There are multiple definitions and that not only is it meant to be able to be the gun easily manipulated in brush country, but that the bullet has to be has to perform well in the brush. I'm not going to tell you the outcome of our brush gun video. Go watch it.

[Steve Rinella]

I've got one here that's sort of along similar lines. It reads shut up, Randall. Randall is getting a little more annoying every episode. Here's another one. Dr. Randall is insufferable. I mute it when he opens his mouth. Good thing the questions were posted at the bottom of the screen. It's obvious he's trying to win the who can be most in love with himself contest that nobody asked for. And then one more here. Let's find a good one here.

[Randall]

Get a positive one. Eh?

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Phil]

Or you know, it doesn't have to be positive as long as it's insightful.

[Steve Rinella]

Randall. What an idiot. Okay.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

That Randall. Classic me generation not getting what they deserve. There's another what an idiot. Dr. Randall should go back to questions. Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I don't understand why they. Why they don't like you. Is it because you are the smartest guy in the room and they just gotta. They just go got to try to take down.

[Steve Rinella]

No, it's about because I'm conceited. It's because I'm conceited.

[Randall]

They hate you.

[Steve Rinella]

They see right through me because they Ain't you? They know what I'm thinking and what I think of myself.

[Randall]

Well, don't read those comments.

[Steve Rinella]

We got another question here. This one comes. Phil, I got you with that transition. Got another question here. This is from a mediator, trivia all star question submitter Leland Hart. Hey, he says, I lead a local conservation group. I'm always talking up hunting and angling to people I meet. For some reason, this appears to make me a magnet for people telling me about how they've broken game laws. It's happened at least three times. Poachers apparently see my BHA and meat eater merch and think, I'm going to tell this guy about unlicensed night hunting in a day hunting only state for game out of season. Or let me tell you how I pulled a fast one by hunting against regulations and got away with it. How would the meat eater team deal with confessions of wrongdoing told to you in earnest? And to answer this question, here's Chester Floyd.

[Chester Floyd]

Oh, yes, buddy, Chester Floyd here coming at you from Wisconsin. And I've got another cheddar kit for you. This week's cheddar kit comes to us from Leland Hart. Leland writes in.

[Steve Rinella]

What the hell is going on with this?

[Randall]

Who's the producer here?

[Chester Floyd]

I have a Chetti kick question. Can we proud hunter, angler and outdoorsman.

[Phil]

While he's reading this question, we'll just talk about how giant his guitar looks.

[Chester Floyd]

DHA yeah, look how blue the sky is. And I'm always talking up hunting and angling with the people I meet. For some reason, this appears to make me. Oh, that's a magnet for people to tell me about how they've been.

[Steve Rinella]

And now they're gonna know. Now they're gonna know that I read an abbreviated version of the question.

[Chester Floyd]

Poachers, apparently, for better flow.

[Phil]

Guys, everything's going fine.

[Chester Floyd]

So this wasn't a clunky Q about unlicensed night hunting in a day hunting only state for game that's out of season and I don't have a tag for anyways.

[Steve Rinella]

God, I miss Chester in quotes.

[Chester Floyd]

Let me tell you how I pulled the fast one by hunting against regulations on a military base and got away with a trespassing.

[Phil]

I'm kind of glad he's gone because.

[Chester Floyd]

His song instead of any real consequences.

[Phil]

And so I get to be the standout.

[Chester Floyd]

I tried to make this educational moment. When it happens, at least one of the people was just ignorant of the law. The others seemed oddly proud of their misbehavior. I didn't Hear anything actionable by law enforcement? Just historical I did this a while ago stuff. Obviously, if I anticipated a crime, I would report it, but it is a weird spot to be in. How would the Meat Eater team deal with confessions of wrongdoing told to you in earnest? Down in Fort Huachucas, Redneck crowd for long kinds of people. Good and sound. Except a couple of boys who were up to no good, causing all kinds of trouble in the hood. Leing, you're an approachable guy. That's while the poison spare the poaching cry. Sitting here thinking on what you must do about bad confessions told to you. Like, I pulled a fast one on the neighbor's place and I pulled a fast one on the military base and I pulled a fast one. I thought you should know when I pull a fast one one, call me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No.

[Chester Floyd]

Good joke.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Excellent camera work.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, you can feel the emotion story.

[Chester Floyd]

Or he's telling white lies. You got to put him in his place. He say all those acts, if bona fide facts are gonna burn you down someday. They're gonna burn you down someday. Oh, yeah. They're gonna burn you down someday.

[Phil]

Does he get this memorized?

[Randall]

I think so.

[Phil]

This is insane.

[Randall]

I know it.

[Steve Rinella]

Maybe it's written on the top of his guitar.

[Corey Jacobsen]

That's why it's so big under his eyelids.

[Chester Floyd]

Should we raise a question?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Shorten this up. I got to go through.

[Phil]

Hey, Cory, Everyone can hear you talking.

[Randall]

Are you serious?

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yes.

[Chester Floyd]

Causing all kinds of trouble in the hood. I hope you like that little song, and hopefully it gave you a little bit of ideas on what to do. But I think teaching people and give. Making an educational moment, really letting them know, like, what the heck, dude? Like, you cannot do that stuff, and that's gonna come back to burn you. And why are you telling me this? But if somebody has done something like crazy bad, which these guys have, but, like, just insane, like, you've got to report it to the dnr. They're in a bar drinking and stuff in this circumstance. So I'm not quite sure you know, how truthful this is, but it's really. Use your best judgment. Make it educational. Let them know that they have done wrong.

[Randall]

Well said. Well done, man.

[Steve Rinella]

What do you guys think? Anything to add to old Chestero?

[Randall]

Can't top that, but he's right.

[Steve Rinella]

Giannis. No.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. I would. I would not worry about keeping them as friends and just. And get right in their face. Let them know what's up.

[Randall]

Wrong is wrong.

[Steve Rinella]

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[Corey Jacobsen]

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[Corey Jacobsen]

You had some more funny comments for me.

[Steve Rinella]

You know I've got another one here. Randall looks nothing like he sounds. I would have guessed an old gray haired man with glasses in his late 60s. There's another one. I figured he based off Randall's voice, I figured he was 25 years older than he appears to be. That's whack. Everyone says, sorry Randall, you're not a doctor, just a nerd with a degree.

[Randall]

Ooh, that stings a little, eh?

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, yeah. So I don't know.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Let's Do a little compliment sandwich here. Hey, Giannis, I thoroughly enjoy when you host Meat Eater Radio Live.

[Phil]

The compliments about you.

[Corey Jacobsen]

It reminds me of Old Meat Eater. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the way Meat Eater is now, but when you host, it has a very like, hey, man, we did this. It was awesome. You should try this feel to it. Anyway, keep being awesome. Does that make you feel any better?

[Steve Rinella]

No, because I think they're comparing it to. Not that there's anything wrong with the New Meat Eater where they talk about Bannigans, but I think that's the New Meat Eater. I don't know, maybe that's just more conceited talk on my part.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Don't be so conceited.

[Steve Rinella]

Corey, you want to. How many questions we got left on the list here?

[Randall]

Oh, gosh. What do we got? 1, 2, 3. Got a few more?

[Steve Rinella]

No, I was wondering how many you wanted me to read from.

[Randall]

Oh, well, I think we got a little bit of time.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. How about this one? Should I read the question or just play the video?

[Phil]

How about we just play the video?

[Steve Rinella]

Let's play the video, Phil.

[Phil]

And with our luck, it's going to be the one video where they don't the question first, but let's find out.

[Steve Rinella]

Here's Tyler Jones.

[Tyler Jones]

The question is, how do I scout for bucks?

[Steve Rinella]

Nailed it.

[Tyler Jones]

For shooting those bucks in the first three weeks of October, I have no major ag food sources. Instead, it's oak trees. There's two ways that I could look at this and do most of the time. And let's break it down into the first two weeks, which are going to be more patternable stages of a deer's life. And then that last week of the three week span in October, you're getting towards the middle of October and into the 20s and deer get a little more pre rut, a little more testosterone increase there. So we'll talk about those in that order. The first section, the patternable deer. These deer are not going to move super far. They're going to be near bedding, so thick areas. And then they're going to be feeding on oaks in close proximity, not moving a ton in the daylight usually it makes them pretty tough. Trail cameras are a big part of finding these deer before this moment actually happens. Right. So August, September, getting trail cameras out near thick bedding where there's oak trees. Another thing you can do is when you actually go in to hunt is listen carefully because we're looking for the first oak trees to start dropping, which doesn't happen at 1 October, sometimes, depending on the year. So we're looking to hopefully get those deer that are moving to the same sound that we're hearing in the woods, which is acorns dropping and getting under those first few trees. The second part of this is the rut, or pre rut rather, but rut like movement where we get into a pinch point near a scrape. And that's a situation I like a lot. In fact, in 2020, I killed a deer on the 23rd of October just outside that window. But he had showed up on a scrape for the first time on this trail camera on the 16th. So as we get cold weather in that third week, we're looking to shoot deer near scrapes in pinch points, Banking on the fact that they're moving just a little bit more before dark. Hope this helps.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Thanks for that. Great answer.

[Steve Rinella]

Thank you, Tyler.

[Randall]

And I was distracted by all the awesome taxidermy behind him. Wonder if he's in his house or.

[Corey Jacobsen]

If he's at a. Yeah, looks like a garage. Maybe he's killed a lot of bucks. Those boys like to do taxidermy.

[Steve Rinella]

Yes, they do. I'm about to go pick up a little piece of taxidermy this weekend.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Tell us about it.

[Steve Rinella]

It's a shoulder mount of that bear I killed in Alaska two years ago.

[Randall]

Oh, nice. Another shoulder mounted bear.

[Steve Rinella]

Cool. Yeah. Well, the other shoulder mounted bears in Jilly's office.

[Randall]

Yeah, that's more of a neck mount, too.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Is yours gonna be. I actually have come to like those neck mounts. I saw some in Canada when I was up there, and I'm coming to like them because I like them because they're manageable and they're small.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

I already have a big bear rug on the wall. Don't really have room for another one.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Well, you should take it down and put it on the floor.

[Steve Rinella]

This is a wall pedestal, so it incorporates more of the sternum and chest. So it'll be coming out of the wall. And, you know, it's sort of. It looks more like a mounted deer where you get some of that. Because some of the bare neck mounts, they just look like you stuck it.

[Randall]

On the wall, arms included.

[Steve Rinella]

No, no, no. But I'm still excited at a big noggin. So what I really wanted to look at and remember was the size of its head. And I saw a photo of it, and it looks pretty spot on when I compare it to the photos from.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Would that run you.

[Steve Rinella]

200 doc numbers?

[Randall]

Does your wife listen? Oh. Oh, that's it's not bad.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. I thought it was reasonable.

[Chester Floyd]

Yeah.

[Steve Rinella]

But that's also why I don't do any other taxidermy.

[Corey Jacobsen]

It's expensive, man.

[Steve Rinella]

It is.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I always say I'd rather go on another hunt than get a. Get a buck mounted. All right, can we ask the beer drinking question now?

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, sure, Travis T. And this actually is a real one. Why do I feel like everybody off camera is drinking beers? And why are they hiding it?

[Corey Jacobsen]

This was a question on a. On a meteor roast episode. That was Phil cracking a beer. He's not hiding it. We don't hide it. Who do you want to take this? You want me to take it?

[Steve Rinella]

Why don't you take it?

[Corey Jacobsen]

I'll start.

[Steve Rinella]

You feel inspired.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Nobody off camera is drinking beers. Anybody off camera is working, so they're. They're not drinking beers. In the rare cases that we are drinking beers and there is some sort of video recording going on, it's usually towards the end of the day. Maybe your roast episode is a.

[Steve Rinella]

It was a glaring exception.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. An anomaly. But for the most part, the cameras are put away, the day's wrapped up. We're not working anymore. We're relaxing, but something still funny happens or whatever. And we get a phone out and it's recorded because I've gotten that a lot too, where they're just like, man, you're so fired up and happy. You must be drinking beers. I'm not. Not drinking beers on camera.

[Phil]

Also, that, can I just crack, was a sparkling juice drink.

[Steve Rinella]

Oh, that's because I drank all the beers.

[Corey Jacobsen]

What do you say to that, Corey, you've been on some production sets now, recently in the last year, and you're new role.

[Randall]

Yeah, I can't say I ever saw Open container while we were working, but afterwards, now, because. Gotta work hard. You gotta play hard. Yeah, I feel like we've cracked a couple cold ones afterwards, but yeah, never during.

[Steve Rinella]

Yep.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Nothing to add. Randall. Randall's not hiding it, as you guys can see.

[Phil]

And also, I'm not being holier than thou. At my previous job, the office was attached to a brewery. They had a deal with them that I got a free beer every day. And on Thursdays, we got three free beers.

[Corey Jacobsen]

What?

[Phil]

Not every Thursday, the first Thursday of every month, we got three free beers.

[Randall]

Thirsty Thursday.

[Phil]

And I also worked the graveyard shift, so I would start off my shift by drinking a double IPA and then go edit audio for eight hours. And then on the first Thursdays, I mean, I don't know how I got work done, but I did. And I was good at it.

[Steve Rinella]

I worked. I worked across the tracks from that same brewery. Phil. I didn't get any free beers.

[Phil]

I'm sorry I missed that brewery I.

[Steve Rinella]

Was thinking about, but I did go there a lot.

[Phil]

Shout out to Draft Works in Missoula.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, buddy. I've never been to their brewery, but I sure, I sure do like their beer.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Home away from home away from home.

[Phil]

Love it.

[Steve Rinella]

We got another question here that goes to Jordan Budd. And I don't know if she's repeated the question, so I'll just say play the tape. Phil. Got a question from Cameron Bokoff. Nice. And he just bought his first whitetail tag and wants to know what are some must haves for first whitetail hunt. So what I would suggest more than anything tangible is shoot whatever weapon that you're going to use.

[Phil]

Become super, super proficient with that.

[Steve Rinella]

In the end, that's what it's going to come down to.

[Phil]

And it's going to probably happen pretty quick.

[Steve Rinella]

So being proficient and comfortable with whatever you're using is probably the most important. Beyond that, whitetail is a pretty stationary sport.

[Phil]

So I would get some good clothes to be able to sit longer.

[Steve Rinella]

So that's what I got for him.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Top notch advice from a whitetail outfitter.

[Steve Rinella]

Let me add to that, please. Safety harness.

[Corey Jacobsen]

That's a good one.

[Randall]

If in a tree. Yeah, safety first.

[Steve Rinella]

Don't go climbing trees without safety harnesses, folks.

[Corey Jacobsen]

And these, these days they have the lifelines as well. Yeah, it's basically a static rope that's attached above your tree stand and at the base. And so that way you're attached the whole time while you're climbing. Must have pieces of gear for his first whitetail hunt.

[Steve Rinella]

If you'd asked 19 year old Randall, I would have told you three bottles of scent Killer.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, I don't really believe in that too much either. Must have pieces of gear for his first whitetail hunt. Man, it's so varied. I don't have no idea where his hunt's gonna be. How cold he's gonna be. Yeah, I mean how hot he's gonna be.

[Steve Rinella]

Depending on where he's hunting. I'd say a 50 pound bag of.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Corn, some old apples maybe. Maybe.

[Randall]

Yeah, it's fairly vague.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Sharp knife. Gotta be able to gut and gut and chop up your deer after he gets it. But what else to help him be successful? Binoculars. You don't really have to have binos in the whitetail woods.

[Randall]

No. Something to help keep you patient. Assuming maybe in a tree, maybe A good book.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, a good book and some good snacks.

[Steve Rinella]

Or just one earbud to listen to Meat Eater Radio live.

[Randall]

Not live.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, I don't support that. Right. I don't.

[Phil]

We get a lot of people in the chat saying that they're sitting in a tree stand or sitting against a tree waiting for turkeys. Listening to radio, that seems irresponsible if you're trying to be an efficient hunter. But, hey, thanks for listening.

[Steve Rinella]

Might get you in the mood, though, right?

[Corey Jacobsen]

You're already out there. If you're not in the mood, might not be the right thing for you.

[Randall]

Might be sitting there.

[Phil]

That's a really good point.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Listen to Giannis. If you're not happy to be out there, go home.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah. Go. Go pick up golf.

[Steve Rinella]

Save it for the rest of us.

[Corey Jacobsen]

That's right. You got more.

[Steve Rinella]

Randall, I think that's it for questions. Phil, how are we doing on time here?

[Phil]

We're doing great on time. We can. We can head for the final lap here, but there's.

[Corey Jacobsen]

There's no. There's no chat room questions.

[Phil]

Mogor says we're doing a great job. Keep it up.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Thanks, Mogor.

[Randall]

We really needed that one.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, I'm trying to look. What an idiot. Dr. Randall.

[Randall]

Hold on. I think we need to look at your Meat Eater Roasts episode.

[Steve Rinella]

Randall's guy we all love to hate. I mute it when he opens his mouth.

[Phil]

Is that one real?

[Steve Rinella]

What's up with the wig?

[Phil]

That's not real.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, no, someone actually did say these are all real. All right, well, before we go, we have an important call to action starting next week because today is June 19th. Talking June 26th here.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Okay, hold on, hold on. I'm sorry I had to interrupt, but since we're not doing this live, it's fine time.

[Randall]

Thank you.

[Corey Jacobsen]

We. I am going to compliment sandwich you to help with your conceitedness to bring you up because I want you to leave today.

[Randall]

Oh.

[Corey Jacobsen]

You know, up high, not down low. So right here. Noah, Rachel. This is from Randall and Spencer's roast episode. You guys did a great job on. You cooked well.

[Steve Rinella]

I lost.

[Randall]

One of you did better than me.

[Corey Jacobsen]

You lost? Yeah. Spencer is a tough, tough comp competitor, but this fellow says Randall slamming a beer to open a cooking show makes it feel like it's a deer camp cook off. And I love it.

[Phil]

I've got. I've got some, too. This is from last the radio live from a couple weeks ago with the hundreds of beavers. Says came here just to comment on the movie club outstanding. All caps. Dr. Randall, you have set a new bar. And I look forward to the next one.

[Steve Rinella]

Wow.

[Phil]

Hashtag proud. Randomal. We have Randall as a national treasure. Oh, that's from Nick. He works for us.

[Steve Rinella]

Oh. Oh, that's Randall.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Probably bought that dude a beer.

[Steve Rinella]

That's brutal.

[Corey Jacobsen]

What about this? I love all the rose shows. Oh, no. Yeah, I love all the rose shows, but I loved this one. Buddy is kind of the same thing. Anyways, Randall always adds extra to everything he does. Okay, here's. Here's another one in quotes you like. I said don't. Don't eat all of them. Is that a movie quote?

[Steve Rinella]

No, that's from when I told them not to eat the potatoes.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, okay.

[Steve Rinella]

Because some of the potatoes weren't.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Well, he says, I want another episode with Randall next one. Randall cracks me up. Like, if you have four potatoes, pick the one that looks most done. What a good sport.

[Randall]

Great sport.

[Steve Rinella]

See, Dr. Randall is the worst.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Stop it.

[Phil]

Jameson says I would like.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Moving on.

[Phil]

Jameson says, I would like to thank whatever mechanism at Meat Eater, and maybe even just the universe for giving Randall the rain. And more importantly, the confidence. I'm stressing that part editorially to follow through with whatever meta concept that just had me laughing to tears in my truck.

[Steve Rinella]

Randall's previous comments about being depressed after losing trivia and coming home to his wife all sad is honestly concerning to hear.

[Corey Jacobsen]

So before we go, for all you Randall fans. See, gave you a good one to end.

[Steve Rinella]

I do think we should. I do think we should. We should read some more comments like that. It's kind of fun.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Oh, I love it. It's hilarious.

[Steve Rinella]

As I was saying, Starting next week, June 26th, we will be doing a monthly trail cam photo contest presented by our friends at Moultrie. We are asking you, our viewers, to send us your unique trail cam photos this go round. We're looking for your funniest trail cam photos. Send them to radio@the mediator.com before our June 26th show. That's between today, June 19th and next Thursday, June 26th. And we'll select two submissions to show during Radio Live. And the winner will win an awesome package from Moultrie. Again, funny pictures. Not serious pictures. Not sad pictures. Not scary pictures.

[Randall]

Yeah, we're gonna have, like, a monthly theme.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah, we're gonna have themes. And this. This month's theme is funny.

[Randall]

Yep. So make it funny. Yeah, not nasty either.

[Steve Rinella]

If you got a nasty one, save it.

[Corey Jacobsen]

I'm imagining, like, some. A lot of pictures with animals with their tongues out. Of their mouths doing some weird tongue motion, perhaps.

[Steve Rinella]

Yeah. Or some weirdo just walking past the camera.

[Corey Jacobsen]

Yeah, see, I was just going to say let's not have those. We really want those.

[Phil]

I kind of want some.

[Randall]

Are tasteful. A lot of breeding images maybe. Depends on how old you are.

[Steve Rinella]

If it's back to the animals or are we talking about oh, hey, well, send our Send your funniest trail cam photos to radio themeater.com before our June 26 show. Funny photos presented by our friends at Moultrie. Get them in and we'll choose a winner here. Happy summer, folks. The next time we see you all, the summer solstice will have passed and we'll be one season away from the. That's beautiful. Hey, we'll be one season away from the fall and we'll see you right back here next week on Thursday, June 26 with our regularly scheduled Meat Eater Radio live programming. Folks, it's June 19th. We'll see you later.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Corey Jacobsen]

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[Steve Rinella]

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