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Ep. 745: Shrimp Fraud and Wild Berry Cheesecake | MeatEater Radio Live!
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Spencer
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Cal
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Spencer
Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.
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Randall
Meat Eater Podcast.
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Spencer
Welcome to Meat Eater radio live. It's 11am Mountain Time. That's 10am for our friends in Forks, Washington on Thursday, August 7th. And we're live from Meteater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Cal and Randall. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Jones from the South Carolina Shrimpers association about seafood fraud. Then each of us will review a piece of gear. After that, we've got a hot tip off between Giannis Put Ellis and Rich Froning, followed by one minute fishing with Corey Calkins. And finally, we'll end the show with a game of fake news. First, Cal and Randall, I've got a surprise for you. It's sitting right in front of you. That dessert is a five berry cheesecake from berries that I foraged and grew on my own at home.
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Randall
Like five types of berries?
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Spencer
Not just five types of berries.
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Randall
The size of the. The size of the vessel made me think there might just be five berries.
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Spencer
No, no, there are five types. I'm gonna tell you about it as you dig in. I've been growing some blackberries and some thornless heritage raspberries at home this year. BlackBerry crop on one of my plants specifically has just been a banner year. It is the alpha berry crop in my yard, and that makes up most of what you're eating there. But I also foraged some wild berries on our public lands here in Montana. I've got some red raspberries, some silver buffalo berries, and black currants that I just picked yesterday morning.
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Cal
Delicious, huh? Oh, yeah. I was gonna ask if Phil got one.
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Spencer
Yes, Phil has one. That's right. Real good black currant. Probably about 50% of that is the blackberries that I grew. And then I'd say 20% is the raspberries that I grew. And then the other 30% are the. The foraged raspberries, the buffalo berries, and the black currants.
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Cal
Now, do you say Korrant because you're like a NBA basketball dude. Wasn't that a. A ball player? Durant. Kevin Durant.
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Spencer
How. How am I current? Current? I'm just ignorant, that's all.
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Cal
No, no, you're.
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Phil
You're ignorant.
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Randall
It just means you read, Spencer.
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Spencer
Yeah, why does it mean I read?
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Cal
You put the wrong people.
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Randall
People that mispronounce words learned those words.
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Spencer
By reading them, not by hearing them. You know what? I like that excuse. I need that excuse a lot because I have a lot of mispronouncing.
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Phil
It's. That's like when my mom tells me I have a stutter because my brain is just moving too fast. Moving faster than my mouth.
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Spencer
No, it's real. It's real, Phil.
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Randall
Am I in correctly? I feel like I moved.
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Phil
There's no right way, Randall, but you look great. As long as you're not leaning out like. Like that's the classic Steve or Yanis.
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Randall
That was a real. That was a real treat. Spencer, cheesecake is my favorite dessert.
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Spencer
Really?
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Randall
Yep.
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Spencer
Okay. Do you make it yourself?
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Randall
No, but Sydney makes it for me, usually for my birthday.
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Spencer
Wow.
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Cal
Yeah.
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Spencer
Okay. And then you get some. Some candles in it, too.
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Randall
Yeah. Pumpkin cheesecakes. I like. I like raspberry cheesecakes. I like all kinds of cheesecakes.
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Spencer
Okay, so this five berry cheesecake grown from berries in Montana soil.
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Cal
I'm not a cheese cake man myself.
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Spencer
Okay.
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Cal
But this is real good.
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Spencer
Oh, well, thank you. Thank you very much. That. That is my surprise for you two boys today.
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Randall
Are you more of a crumble guy?
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Cal
Oh, yeah. Give me a cobbler. Oh, yeah, Darn right.
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Randall
That's a good berry dish.
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Spencer
All right, we're gonna start the show today by interviewing Brian Jones, the vice president of the South Carolina Shrimpers Association. He's here to talk about a lawsuit involving shrimp fraud. Brian, welcome to the show.
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Brian
Hey, thank you. Thank you for having me.
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Spencer
First thing, Brian, tell us about the multimillion dollar industry that is South Carolina shrimping.
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Brian
Yeah, you know, you think about the low country in South Carolina, and one of the things that's iconic about, you know, the marsh grasses and everything is seeing the. Our beautiful shrimp boats. So our shrimp fleet is comprised of, you know, a couple hundred vessels. You know, they're. They're, you know, owned by individual family members. We're all small business owners like myself, and all the boats I tie up with. But, you know, we. We love what we do. We're outdoorsmen, we're sportsmen. When we're not shrimping, we're out there fishing, too. And, you know, one of the things we love it's. And we're passionate about is bringing fresh seafood from trawl to table, bringing it home for. For folks to enjoy here. And, you know, the. The art, what we catch is iconic to our cuisine, too. People travel all around the world to come to Charleston and other places within South Carolina, like Hilton Head and Myrtle beach, to enjoy our seafood.
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Spencer
Now, earlier this year, the Southern Shrimp alliance commissioned genetic testing on shrimp from Charleston restaurants that was advertised as locally caught. What were the results of those tests?
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Brian
Yeah, you know, that was one of those things that, you know, we kind of suspected and we knew what was going on. But until recently, until the Southern Shrimp alliance hired this company, Seed Consulting, to do the genetic testing, you know, we weren't sure how pervasive it was. But the results, you know, they tested 44 restaurants. Of those 44 restaurants, four were determined to be serving domestic, wild caught shrimp, whereas the other 40 were not. You know, and within our lawsuit, which we'll talk about, 25 of them were outright saying that they were local or wild, caught or misrepresenting it. And then that's why we name those 25 in our case that we brought.
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Spencer
Now, how did these tests come to be? Obviously, people were skeptical about locally caught shrimp. Was that suspicion coming from the honest restaurants or the customers or the fishermen or who?
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Brian
I think all of the above. You know, we know, you know, based on the past 20 years and where it's moved from having fleets of, you know, thousands of boats, you know, down to what our fleet is now, where, you know, we used to. Where. Where the creek where we tie up, there'd be five, six boats tied up to each other up to the dock, you know, and that's dwindled now to two or three. So we knew, you know, we weren't catching and selling as much shrimp. And, you know, when we were catching it, we couldn't move it as quickly because, you know, there wasn't the demand for it. So where did that demand go? And, you know, there's more restaurants and there's more people eating shrimp. It's the number one consumed seafood protein in the world and crosses all genres and types of food. If you think about anything except perhaps like, kosher meals, I think if you think like European, Middle Eastern, Latin American, American, we can sound like Bubba Gump Here, you know, when we say like, shrimp kebab, shrimp scampi and all that, but we knew that the demand, you know, still existed, but we weren't selling as many. So I think there was that suspicion then, you know, there are restaurants themselves. There's a lot of good restaurants out there that we sell to, and they're getting undercut by, you know, other restaurants potentially saying, you know, competing for the same diners saying they're serving wild caught shrimp when in fact they weren't. So, you know, it was great that the science allowed this to happen. When they were able to do this rapid DNA testing, shout out to Dr. Singh from Florida State, that's my alma mater, you know, and their ability to create that rapid test, their seed consultant, I think we kind of knew it always existed, but until recently, there wasn't the ability to do that testing and find that out. So, you know, Southern Shrimp alliance, you know, did the testing or commissioned it, see, did the consulting. And then we're sitting back there thinking, hey, you know, if this is going on, where. Where's the. Where's the accountability? And that's, you know, one of the reasons we brought the lawsuit. You know, we're not afraid of fight. You think about, you know, Charleston and our historic nature, you know, between, you know, fighting the British and the, you know, the Battle of Fort Moultrie to, you know, the Civil War, you know, we. We are, you know, it's within our nature to, you know, fight for what's right. And, you know, we. We really wanted to make sure that. That, you know, not only us as shrimpers in the restaurant, but consumers, too. And oftentimes, you know, they're paying a premium for, you know, the what. What they believe they're getting is local, wild, caught shrimp, when, in fact, they're getting something that's been frozen for potentially years that came from halfway around the world, that they can get wherever they came, wherever they're visiting us from, whether it be Ohio, Montana, Colorado, whatever the case. And we want to make sure they're getting, you know, what we love to do and what we'd love to bring home to consumers.
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Spencer
Yeah, the lawsuit you mentioned was filed by your organization, the South Carolina shrimpers association, on June 13, and that was against 25 restaurants. What can you tell us about that case?
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Brian
Yeah, so it's a case primarily about transparency and honesty. You know, at the end of the day, we want to ensure that. That there's, you know, motivation for folks to do the right thing and for consumers to be armed with the knowledge, you know, we're telling people all the time, and I'm sure we'll talk about it later, is, you know, ask where your food, where your shrimp comes from, you know, as ask, you know, make sure you know if it's local, that you know that it's local. But how do you know if there's, you know, not accountability measures in place? So we want to make sure, like this lawsuit is, what we're really asking for is for a judge to say, follow the existing law. If they're saying it's local, make sure it's local. If it's, you know, you're saving fresh local seafood. You know, fresh local seafood isn't something that was grown in Ecuador, India, Indonesia or Vietnam. And there's nothing wrong with, you know, if they want to say, and they want to sell imported shrimp, by all means do it, but don't say it's what we do. And what we're doing is spending our blood, sweat and tears, you know, to bring home.
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Spencer
Now, is there a chance that the restaurants themselves were being duped by suppliers or do you think these places knew that their shrimp were not locally sourced?
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Brian
You know that. That's a great question, Spencer. I would say is it possible? Yes, but probable, No. I know it's very highly unlikely that, you know, they were being duped by, you know, their, their suppliers. And what I mean by that is, you know, where we bring our shrimp right here, you know, it comes, it goes onto ice on our boat. From the boat, it goes into boxes and those boxes go right to the restaurant. So, you know, it's very highly unlikely that they're being, you know, you know, there's some sort of bait and switch by a supplier. And you know, when we speak with restaurants and they tell us, you know, you can get it cheaper or, you know, it's already peeled and deveined or, you know, there's some other reason and like I said that that's fine. Just don't say it's local. You know, I think the majority of them, I would suspect, you know, they know what they're purchasing. It's just more about how they're presenting it to the consumer and how that affects not only us as shrimpers, but like I said, you know, the good, well intentioned restaurants that are doing the right thing, which there are a lot of, and also, you know, the consumers that believe they're, they're paying for, you know, our shrimp and our product and.
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Spencer
Who'S supposed to be regulating this? How did we arrive At a place where 91% of restaurants are lying about the source of their shrimp.
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Brian
Yeah, you know, that's one of the questions and one of the big motivating factors of this whole case is how do we got to this point now? How do we move forward and get to the point where there's more truth, honesty and transparency? And I'd say from a regulation standpoint, there are laws in effect as far as if it's true or truth in advertising and the Federal Trade act by the Federal Trade Commission. But I think more importantly, you know, it's maybe an eye opening wake up call where, you know, a country of origin labeling law or putting something on a menu makes more sense. And why I say that is you think about states like Louisiana and recently in Mississippi and Texas where they've enacted country of origin labeling laws. So, you know, just like you'd see where an oyster comes from when you go to a seafood restaurant, you know, and it's something that, you know is exciting, or let's say five guys. You know, you go to five guys and you get, you know, your hamburger and your french fries and it tells you where the french fries came from. You know, it's just as easy to do that with shrimp and putting that on your menu saying, you know, what, this shrimp came from South Carolina or this shrimp, you know, was sourced and however they want to market it, whether it's responsibly sourced or, you know, farm raised or harvested in, you know, Vietnam or wherever, or just say it's foreign imported shrimp, you know, if that's on the menu, then the consumer is able to decide, hey, do I want to purchase this or do I want to maybe spend my money somewhere else? Now, I know I'm either supporting local or not, and I think that that's a real value to the consumer and I think that that's probably a path forward as far as addressing the proliferate or the sheer pervasiveness of the statistic that you mentioned where, you know, you say we got to 91%, that was 91% of the restaurants tested. And I hate to sound redundant there, but you know, we sell to a lot of other good, good restaurants too. But yes, the seed consulting did say about 90% or 40 of the 44 that were tested. Now, the 25 were the ones that we honed in on because according to seed, those are the ones that were outright fraudulent and that that's why we brought the case specifically against them.
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Spencer
Brian, is this just going to be the first shoe to Drop. Could we be hearing that other restaurants in South Carolina are doing the same thing soon?
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Brian
Yeah, you know, it's possible. And we hope that, you know, that this case serves as sort of a clarion call or like a cautionary tale to those restaurants that may be doing that, maybe not doing the right thing. And that's up to really, you know, see consulting and the Southern Shrimp alliance, who commissions it, where they may send it, because they've done multiple tests. Like I said, we were the eighth state to be tested. But they've also gone back and done testing in Louisiana, Texas, and I think there's other large seafood consuming markets in the state of South Carolina that would certainly garner the attention of that sort of testing. If you think about how many people come to coastal regions like Myrtle beach and Hilton Head, Beaufort and the Bluffton area, I think it's certainly possible. And, you know, we want to make sure that, you know, folks have the opportunity, one, to know what they're getting. And two, you know, we, like I said, you know, we definitely support the good restaurants, are doing the right thing, and we encourage other restaurants, you know, to see an opportunity to support, you know, our local industry and what consumers really want at the end of the day.
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Spencer
Do you have any advice, Brian, for how we as customers can prevent being duped when it comes to buying seafood?
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Brian
Yeah, you know, I kind of alluded to that earlier. And it is one of those things that we definitely encourage to ask, you know, before you order, you know, to ask, hey, you know, where did this shrimp come from? You know, so they can make choices as a consumer. But I would also say that coupled with, you know, some sort of accountability measure, like encouraging, you know, lawmakers to say, you know what, we want to make sure that we're getting the fresh, healthy shrimp. You know, it's important and an important distinction to make. And it's not just about, you know, the fact that we love the shrimp here and it's great and it tastes wonderful and it's superior in quality. But it's also, you know, some folks want to make that decision because when they think about, you know, imported shrimp versus domestic shrimp, there's a lot of concerns about imported shrimp, you know, the lack of testing when it comes into the United States, about 1% inspected, and then also the concerns around ecological concerns, environmental concerns, and human labor issues. So I think, you know, people are intentional and they do want to support, you know, domestic seafood production, support families, these rural coastal communities. I come from a town of 600. I'd be remiss if I didn't say, you know, each one of them wants to invite all you down here to, you know, enjoy some of our Southern hospitality.
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Spencer
Last thing here, Brian. As you stated earlier, four of the 44 restaurants were confirmed to be serving genuine US wild caught shrimp. Can you give those four places a well deserved shout out?
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Brian
Absolutely. There's a Rappahannock Oyster Company in downtown Charleston. It's amazing. Wonderful. There's the Coosaw Creek Crab House, which is up in the North Charleston area. And then two that are a little closer. Here is Acme Low Country Kitchen, which is on the Isle of Palms. And then Grace and Grit, which is in Mount Pleasant as well.
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Spencer
Well, good on those places for serving the shrimp that they say that they're serving. Thanks for your time, Brian. We'll be following this case closely.
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Brian
Yeah, thanks. If y' all want, everyone, go shrimp and come on down.
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Spencer
We appreciate that. Randall, you ate?
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Cal
Yes.
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Spencer
What was the place?
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Randall
Rappahannock Oyster Bar.
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Spencer
Give me a review.
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Randall
Sort of a hazy memory, like many evenings out in a.
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Spencer
What age were you?
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Randall
Mid, mid, mid-20s.
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Spencer
Okay.
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Randall
We were down there maybe December.
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Cal
Ish.
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Randall
We're going to Kiawah Island. Had a night or two in Charleston before we went out to Kiowa.
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Spencer
All the ingredients for a hazy memory.
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Randall
Yes, indeed. If I remember, the drinks were strong and flowing generously.
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Spencer
Okay.
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Randall
We ate a lot of oysters and that's about it.
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Spencer
Did you order shrimp?
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Cal
I can't recall.
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Spencer
Yeah. Just say yes. Yeah, yeah. You ate at one of the.
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Randall
And it was authentically South Carolinian.
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Spencer
One of four places. Good to know.
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Cal
I think good takeaway for the audience. Right. Is like illegal things don't exist unless there's a market for them. So. Yeah, part of how you can be weigh in on any sort of seafood fraud or wildlife fraud crime is be sure of what you're buying. Yeah, not that hard.
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Spencer
Yeah. I was just at the Fisherman's Daughter in Minnesota and I was eating walleye that were caught by a boat out of that town. And if I were to find out later that those just came from like some waters in Canada far, far away, I'd have been very disappointed. It had been a very different experience.
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Randall
Yeah.
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Spencer
So I think that that matters to.
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Randall
Folks, especially in a place in a place like Charleston where you expect that everything is coming right out of the water.
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Spencer
Yeah, it's like their personality, that it's part of it.
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Randall
Gear.
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Spencer
Right, our next segment is gear Talk.
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Phil
Let's talk about gear, baby. Let's talk about scopes and beats. Let's talk about boots and vinyls. Camo patterns with Yandy. Let's talk about gear. Let's talk about gear.
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Spencer
Let's talk about wonderful. When I heard that, I told Phil, it sounded like he was singing in lowercase.
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Phil
Yeah, it's just perfect.
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Cal
This is a great time to plug the upcoming Christmas album, which is just a compilation of all of Phil's little ditties. Perfect stocking stuffer for those of you.
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Phil
Who still go in the auction house of oddities. Just like a mixtape on an actual cassette of just all the drops.
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Spencer
And Phil writes on there himself in permanent marker what each song is.
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Randall
I actually have a Christmas album. When I was like 22, yeah, I recorded a Christmas album, including some, like, holiday greetings. You know, like, hey, guys, this is Randall.
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Spencer
Okay.
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Randall
And I burned it on like 8 CDs and sent them out to people.
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Spencer
And do you still own a copy?
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Randall
No, I don't.
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Spencer
You don't?
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Randall
I would pay so much money for a copy. It was so good.
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Spencer
I knew what we were going to do for our Christmas episode of Radio this.
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Randall
The last track was Silent Night in Germany.
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Cal
But here we are in August.
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Spencer
All right, each of us has a gear review for you today. Randall, start us off.
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Randall
All right, well, got a couple items here that all go together. See here? These are the Birchwood KC Target stands.
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Spencer
Good sound effects so far.
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Randall
They are bulletproof, as you can plainly see. They've been struck once or twice. Then I've got a roll of Scotch Blue Painters tape.
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Cal
Bullet resistant would probably be better.
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Randall
Yeah, bullet resistant. And then I have the. This is the Gordon utility knife from Harbor Freight. It's a. It's a nice price point. I believe it comes in at 599.
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Spencer
You don't need to say that. If it's from Harbor Freight, you can grab it.
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Randall
You can grab it right by the register and you can get 50 blades for 5.99 as well. So I like this time of year. I like to do a lot of shooting. Well, I like to do a lot of shooting at any time of year, but it's more important than ever as we approach our fall hunting season. So with this little kit, I can take any scrap of remnant cardboard from my garage or, you know, wherever I find it, and I can set up a little range, build myself a nice little square. You can see there. Oh, man, you can't see the holes, but that's some of my finest field shooting. There's two. Well, you can see the right one. You can see.
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Phil
You can see the holes. You guys just are a little far away from the site.
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Randall
860 some yards. There's two, three shot groups that are about three to four inches. And one's in the box, one's just to the right. So just dialing in the wind there.
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Spencer
Tell me about the T shirt.
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Randall
That is a baby orangutan. That's one of two orangutan T shirts that I own. One is adult male. The other one is this baby. I think I got the adult male T shirt first, but.
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Spencer
Okay, this one's just kind of a joke. The other one's your nice orangutan.
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Randall
Yeah, that's the one that I usually wear to the zoo because I want to have a dominant presence when I walk into the orangutans.
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Phil
And you think the baby gives you the dominance?
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Randall
No, no, that's why we're the adult.
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Cal
Oh, yeah, the baby shooting.
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Randall
Yeah. There aren't any orangutans anywhere nearby for yard work. But, yeah, I just. I think.
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Cal
Do you tell people it's not an ape, It's a great ape?
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Randall
That's true. That's true.
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Cal
Yeah.
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Randall
I just. I like to shoot cardboard because you can see what your bullets doing. A lot of people just like to shoot steel, and if you hit the edge, it's good enough, but the cardboard doesn't lie. And you can haul it way out there, stick it well beyond your reasonable shooting range and just see what your bullets do in a distance. So, yeah, it's economical. This whole kit, I think I'd price somewhere under $30.
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Spencer
Okay.
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Randall
And, yeah, everybody's got cardboard lying around. And if you don't find someone who.
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Spencer
Does, I bet you have extra because I imagine some trash blows through your property.
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Randall
Yes, lots of. Anything that's not weighed down blows into our proper.
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Spencer
But does it keep going or does it stay there?
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Randall
No, there's a nice funnel. There's A terrain funnel and then a barbed wire fence at the bottom so it catches all kinds of tarps.
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Phil
Speaking of, I put a Tupperware full of Christmas cookies on top of my car as I was leaving your place one time. Did that ever turn up?
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Randall
No, no, no. Especially in December. In December you're getting some good wind.
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Phil
That's right. Yeah.
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Randall
Yeah. We had a kid's swimming pool one time that showed up and then we didn't do anything with it. And a couple months later I saw it like a half mile away. So, yeah, we. We collect all kinds of stuff that's.
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Spencer
Good for shooting locally sourced car.
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Randall
A lot of cooler lids, a lot of styrofoam, couple politics signs.
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Spencer
Oh, okay.
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Randall
So, yeah.
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Cal
Yep, yep, that's.
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Randall
That's what I got. 30 bucks. Improve your shooting. Enter the field with great confidence this fall.
- [25:12]
Spencer
Okay, good takeaway.
- [25:14]
Cal
Good one.
- [25:14]
Spencer
Cal, what are you reviewing for us today?
- [25:16]
Cal
We're talking about the First Light Forge Waiters. I. So this is new to the market.
- [25:23]
Spencer
New this week, right?
- [25:24]
Cal
Yeah, but we've been playing with these and improving these for three years. I think I've had five different pairs of waiters and during this very intensive product development phase. And ideally, this is a waiter that has come to the market fully field tested and the consumer should have complete faith in their purchase here. So this is a, this is a big purchase, but it is done in such a way that you should have complete confidence in this thing to take care of you. Very burly. It's like a lifetime para waiters out there.
- [26:15]
Spencer
So First Light literally spent years perfecting things.
- [26:20]
Cal
Years. Yep.
- [26:21]
Spencer
And that also caused a lot of questions to be asked when they folks would see it in Instagram content or YouTube video and be like, what? When are these waiters showing up? Well, your answer is now.
- [26:31]
Cal
Yeah, right now. And so, I mean, they are backed by a great warranty as well. The boots and the. And the waiters and man, they're just. Yeah, they're burly. So you got to ask yourself if you want six pairs of the discount, you know, general sporting goods store waiters that you try to return throughout the course of your season or you invest in these babies and they're going to take care of you for years. As long as you, you know, don't let. Let them sit out in the sun for half the year, you're going to be rocking these for a long time. Knee pads, minimal seams.
- [27:18]
Spencer
That, that I feel like was, I've heard is the big selling point. Right. That there's a Seam or just a couple seams? Very few seams.
- [27:25]
Phil
Yeah.
- [27:26]
Cal
If, if you've ever, you know, stuck anything underwater, it's the seams that typically fail. Or like if you're staring at your tent in a rainstorm, water's coming through the, the seams. So this is a minimalist seam design, not quite seamless, but there's basically one seam in the, in the whole deal. So. Biggest takeaway is that we just tested the living heck out of them in every condition imaginable all across the country. And in one other country, thinking about it, we call that country Canada.
- [27:59]
Spencer
Okay.
- [28:01]
Randall
We wore them up in Alaska bear hunting. And there's a lot of crawling around on rocks and getting in and out of boats and just doing all sorts of things that you wouldn't want to do, especially with water temps like that in a pair of waders that you didn't have confidence in. So that was years ago, but they've only improved since.
- [28:20]
Cal
Yep.
- [28:21]
Spencer
Available now on first, like.
- [28:23]
Cal
Yes, sir.
- [28:25]
Spencer
All right. I am reviewing an Oru foldable kayak folded up. And we've got pictures of this thing on the video. If you're watching on YouTube. It's the size of a large suitcase. And then set up. It's the size of a normal kayak. It weighs 17 pounds, has a weight limit of 250 pounds. That's just their base model. For context. My regular 10 foot kayak has a weight limit of 275. So it's, it's not that different. It's made of a thin corrugated plastic. It feels and looks is the best way I describe it. The feels and looks like heavy duty cardboard that's like waterproof. You.
- [28:58]
Randall
Sometimes it looks like I want to snap it into my birchwood Casey target holders.
- [29:02]
Spencer
Like a political, like a political sign.
- [29:04]
Randall
Those are great targets.
- [29:05]
Spencer
I worked the produce section at Walmart in college and this is what our produce would come in, that type of cardboard. And they were very desirable. Folks would come in asking for that cardboard for free. Specifically, the banana boxes were the most coveted.
- [29:18]
Randall
Or when you get a mail hold and the, the post office.
- [29:21]
Brian
There you go.
- [29:21]
Randall
That's a great box.
- [29:22]
Spencer
That's the. You're not supposed to keep them. The closest thing I can describe to what that material is, the base model, it's $500, which is like within the price range of what you'd expect to pay for a nine foot kayak. I bought it on sale and they have sales all the time. Father's Day, fourth of July, Memorial Day. If you're if you are interested in one, don't pay full price because it's going to be on sale sometime soon. I bought it for a road trip to more to northern Minnesota. And I told my wife beforehand, I was like, I think we get home and there's a 50% chance I'm putting this thing on Facebook Marketplace. I was, I was just like, pretty pessimistic. We go on the trip, I use it four different days, including on Lake of the woods, that's America's sixth biggest lake. And Devil's Lake, that's America's 22nd biggest lake. So some big bodies of water. My takeaway after using it all summer was I love it. I'm a really big fan of this thing. I've got some pros and cons here that I wrote out for you. The biggest pros, the whole reason that you'd buy a foldable kayak. It's compact, it's really light. It doesn't take up much space in your vehicle or garage. It's easy to travel with. It doesn't take up room in your truck. Like I said, I can securely lock it in my pickup if I'm traveling and sleep at a hotel in a sketchy part of Spokane. And I'm not worried that it's going to be gone.
- [30:38]
Cal
It's a good town choice.
- [30:40]
Spencer
Yes. I've stayed in some sketchy parts.
- [30:42]
Randall
Yeah, they'll chew through your truck bed there, though. They're going to have to work in. We love you.
- [30:47]
Spencer
Yeah, they're going to have to work for it if they really want it. It's easy to carry. It comes. You know, they're. It's easy to care if you're trying to get to some hard to access water and they make a backpack for it. It's kind of an awkward £17, but it's. It's no problem. I maybe wouldn't go up a mountain with it, but you could, you could hike a quarter mile to some. Some other water access you needed to get to. It's very open, so all of your gear is visible and accessible when you're in it, which is my preference when you're fishing. If. If you're not familiar with kayaks there, sit in and sit on. And one of them, the sit in has like a cockpit and the sit on, it's just sort of an open space for fishing. I'd prefer a sit on because everything is. Is just very visible and you can reach anything that you have with you in the boat. And, and so far it seems quite Durable, which is surprising because like I said, it's so similar to that heavy duty cardboard we were talking about. They measured the lifespan of their kayaks in folds and they say it's 20,000 folds.
- [31:46]
Cal
Wow.
- [31:46]
Spencer
It can handle. So I did the math on that. You do two folds every time you use it. If you use it 25 times a year, that means you have 400 years worth of folds on this thing. And genuinely, it only takes a couple minutes to tear up and put back together. So their marketing on that, that, it just takes a minute. It's, it's legit. Now here's some of the cons. It's not super comfortable. I need to, to get out of the thing after like two hours of being in it again. I just have the base model. They do offer gel seats and other padding you can buy. I haven't done that. I don't think it's an enormous game changer. You're not going to be like, damn, I could take a nap in this thing. But I think it would probably make it easier to, to be in because it's so light, you really feel the wind. If you're used to a regular kayak, you'll notice this right away.
- [32:32]
Cal
This one folds up.
- [32:33]
Spencer
It, well, it folds up and it, it can, it takes on some wind. You notice it. If you're, if you're casting at a log that your feet are facing and a breeze picks up, it's going to be at your shoulder pretty quick. It's easy for the, to wind to, to really manipulate you. And this could be a pro or con, but people are going to come up and talk to you about it. I, I took this on a lake in western Montana last week and I had three different folks while I was getting set up before I got on, the water came over like, what is this thing? What do you, what are you doing? And my wife, she was, she was confused by it. She was like, is this, are fishermen always this chatty? The answer is no. So maybe that's a pro or a con, depending on how you feel about social interactions.
- [33:13]
Cal
Oh yeah. You approach a guy with the boat like that, you're like, well, he's not gonna catch anything. Yeah, well, he doesn't know what he's doing.
- [33:19]
Spencer
If he owns this, he wants to talk to us.
- [33:21]
Randall
I got a sucker for an Instagram ad.
- [33:23]
Spencer
That's right.
- [33:25]
Randall
What's the weight capacity on that bad boy?
- [33:27]
Spencer
£250. Like I said, my regular 10 foot kayak is 275.
- [33:32]
Randall
I'll have to make sure I go pee before I get on that thing.
- [33:35]
Cal
Well, you know, Randall, there's a big buffer.
- [33:38]
Phil
I'm sure we've actually got a segment about that coming up.
- [33:43]
Spencer
Now. My big takeaway is I'm always going to hold a foldable kayak. I'm sold. I love this thing. It genuinely gets me to fish more because it's so easy to store, transport, and set up. It made the barrier to entry of getting on a lake to go fishing super low. And that's resulted in just more days of me going out fishing. If I'm on the fence, it's very easy to talk myself into being like, well, I drive there and I get out and I'll be on the water in three minutes and fishing. And that's phenomenal. Yeah, that makes it worth it alone. And I think back to college and how I would have loved owning this thing and keeping it in my gmc. Jimmy. Like, I would have had a very different fishing experience in college if this kayak exist.
- [34:22]
Cal
Oh, yeah. Plus little duck hunting.
- [34:24]
Spencer
That's right.
- [34:25]
Randall
I think too many shells, though, in there with.
- [34:28]
Cal
Oh, yeah, Fold that baby up.
- [34:29]
Spencer
Got to make them count in the.
- [34:31]
Cal
Bottom of the blind.
- [34:32]
Randall
I mean, I do think the best gear is gear that gets you out.
- [34:35]
Spencer
This.
- [34:35]
Randall
This does it like that lowers the barrier to getting outside.
- [34:38]
Spencer
I think any outdoorsman would enjoy a foldable kayak, but specifically, if you, like, live in an apartment or a dorm or if. If you don't drive a vehicle that makes it easy to transport a traditional kayak.
- [34:50]
Randall
Or if you ride the bus.
- [34:52]
Spencer
If you ride the bus.
- [34:53]
Cal
If you struggle to limited storage space at home.
- [34:56]
Spencer
I mean, man, if you struggle to lift 50 pounds, if you're just, like, annoyed at the thought of moving a kayak in and out of a pickup or on and off of a vehicle, then, like, you are the person who would benefit the most from having one of these. So I'm very excited. It's best, like, outdoor purchase I've. I've made in years.
- [35:15]
Randall
I'm sold. I just need to see if they make any adult sizes.
- [35:18]
Spencer
I'm using the base model, the. The entry level kayak. They make bigger ones, so make a double. The weight range goes up.
- [35:25]
Randall
Magnum.
- [35:27]
Spencer
All right, we are halfway through the show today. Let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat got?
- [35:34]
Phil
Yes, Rashad asks, has Cal salvaged anything cool from the dumpster lately?
- [35:39]
Cal
Oh, well, thank you for asking. I just had my head in that dumpster yesterday.
- [35:44]
Spencer
Is that our dumpster? Or like a dumpster where you live.
- [35:46]
Cal
No, dumpster where I live. That people can't quite figure out. Cardboard recycling. And it costs us like $200 for. Because they're like, well, we send a whole another garbage truck to go pick up the contaminated recycling. So my, my fun deal is jumping in the dumpster, going through people's trash until I find what you always find, which is our shipping labels. And then I take a picture of that and typically address them eyeball to eyeball.
- [36:20]
Spencer
Really?
- [36:20]
Cal
Yes.
- [36:21]
Randall
Wow.
- [36:22]
Cal
Yeah.
- [36:23]
Spencer
And you just like, wait for that encounter to happen naturally or like, you'll go to their door?
- [36:27]
Cal
No, I make it happen.
- [36:28]
Spencer
Wow. Okay.
- [36:29]
Cal
Yeah.
- [36:30]
Randall
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good guys to do nothing.
- [36:32]
Cal
That's exactly right.
- [36:33]
Spencer
This is like the shri. You gotta hold these people accountable.
- [36:36]
Cal
And you know what the people always say. I just didn't know. To which point I'm like, okay, well, now you do. Thanks a bunch. Have a great day. Okay, thanks, Rashad.
- [36:48]
Spencer
Good for you.
- [36:49]
Phil
Connor says, I drew a non resident waterfowl tag for South Dakota. I'm looking to get a camper top for my Tacoma hardtop versus soft top.
- [36:57]
Cal
Cool, cool, cool. No matter what direction you go, you're going to be giving up something. Like, it's just inevitable. Yeah. You know, all the, all the answers here.
- [37:15]
Phil
There's.
- [37:15]
Cal
There's so many, like a soft top that you can like accordion back throw, you know, your bikes over the tailgate and put big stuff in there. People still call you to help move and things like that. The hard top, you're going to be a little more restricted because you can take them on and off, but nobody ever does.
- [37:35]
Spencer
I've never been interested enough in a camper, sliding camper to shop for one. Have you owned one?
- [37:40]
Cal
I think he's just talking about a.
- [37:41]
Randall
Topper, like, or a tonneau cover.
- [37:44]
Spencer
A camper top for my.
- [37:46]
Randall
You had an inflatable topper?
- [37:48]
Cal
I did, yeah. Yeah, the flated. And that's a. That's a cool product. I would put that in the fifth wheel category, like, if you're a fifth wheel person, but you don't want like a bunch of snow and hay and crap piling up in the back of your tractor in the off season. Get that flated topper and. And you're going to be set.
- [38:12]
Randall
I was, I was shocked that I saw that more than once when I initially saw it on your pickup. I didn't think it was long for the world, but it was. Yeah, it was impressive.
- [38:20]
Cal
Yeah.
- [38:21]
Spencer
I Own a rooftop tent. A Super Pacific. I will review that on some future episode of Radio where we talk gear again. But I'm a huge fan of that tent. I like having a rooftop tent again. As long as my situation is like this, where it's like just me and my wife. We don't have a dog, we don't have any kids. It's perfect for what we need.
- [38:41]
Cal
Yeah, I have a go fast camper, so that's a big investment, as is the one Spencer just met mentioned. And I got no windows in the whole thing purely because.
- [38:56]
Spencer
Spokane, Washington.
- [38:58]
Cal
Yeah, the Spokane effect. Spokaneous animation. I want security. I don't. I don't need people. Like, I want more deterrence than. Than last.
- [39:10]
Randall
You don't want your truck looking like a storefront window, Right?
- [39:14]
Spencer
Never thought of it like that. What else you got, Phil?
- [39:17]
Phil
Not a question, but a comment from Bill. Randall, thank you for your help on getting the raffle items for muster. The trivia and signed cookbooks had a very high return on investment. I got some Solins. Is that right, Randall?
- [39:27]
Randall
I don't know. I've heard about this brand, Solin's Hot.
- [39:31]
Phil
Dogs over at the campfire in your honor.
- [39:32]
Randall
That's lovely.
- [39:33]
Phil
And then we also had someone asking if we'd be coming to the muster in New York next year.
- [39:38]
Randall
I'd like to. I'd like to.
- [39:40]
Spencer
Randall will be there. He can't wait. It's already on his calendar. Yeah, when is it, Randall?
- [39:44]
Randall
Well, it was the first week of August this year.
- [39:46]
Spencer
Oh, okay.
- [39:47]
Randall
Or no, no, I'm sorry. Yeah, maybe it was, I don't know, somewhere in that neighborhood.
- [39:52]
Spencer
It's on his calendar though.
- [39:53]
Randall
But yeah, I'd love to make it out.
- [39:54]
Spencer
He circled it. Red marker.
- [39:56]
Cal
Yeah. Important to know as backcountry hunters and anglers. Big eastern. One of the two big eastern events these days.
- [40:03]
Spencer
What's the other one?
- [40:04]
Cal
It would be the black bear bonanza in Arkansas. But this is muster in the mountains.
- [40:11]
Phil
Oh, I stand forgiven. He says the summer of 2028 is the next time Arcosa. So you've got some time to plan.
- [40:17]
Randall
Yeah, okay.
- [40:18]
Spencer
He'll put that on his calendar.
- [40:19]
Randall
Well, unfortunately, I do have a publishing calendar that goes that far out. So we'll have to just match that up against our meat eater American history.
- [40:28]
Phil
On that note, Randall, if you'd like to answer this question from Devin. Are the books like Mountain Men and Long Hunters on the website, hardcover copies or paperback editions?
- [40:38]
Randall
They are all audio. There is no print version. Correct.
- [40:44]
Spencer
Unless you get a bootleg copy on Amazon.
- [40:47]
Randall
There was a bootleg copy on Amazon. Yeah. I know there's a lot of folks out there that would love to read it with your own eyeballs, but those are audio originals and audio only by design, so.
- [41:02]
Phil
Yeah, yeah, you guys would be shocked at the process of making those books.
- [41:07]
Randall
There's a lot of arguing, A lot of arguing.
- [41:09]
Phil
A lot of creative input from many parties. It's a cool thing watching Randall and the Steve.
- [41:13]
Randall
It's a very unique, very unique medium.
- [41:15]
Spencer
Yeah. Let's do one more, Phil.
- [41:17]
Phil
Okay. Brandon says I'm going offshore fishing in the Gulf charter supply squid. But what other baits would y' all suggest?
- [41:26]
Spencer
Cal?
- [41:28]
Cal
Hi. Yeah, live mullet, like live bait is pretty darn awesome. But if you're going on a charter that's going to be pretty limited, I'd go ahead and just talk to the captain and see what the options are. But any. Anything that's still swimming that you can put a hook into is makes for a good time.
- [41:50]
Spencer
All right, move. You got anything to add, Randall? Boat captain?
- [41:54]
Randall
I would, yeah.
- [41:55]
Spencer
The other part of the continent, you.
- [41:57]
Randall
Know, I'd listen to your captain. As a former captain, I'd listen to your captain. It's, you know, if. If you want to go above and beyond following their advice and get something that's maybe not on the menu, I'm sure they would appreciate the enthusiasm. If you show up with something weird that they're not into, it might be a long day on the water, especially if you're not getting into them. There's going to be some finger pointing.
- [42:19]
Cal
So we caught some grouper in Florida on. In the. On the Gulf side with freezer burned elk meat one time. So, you know, think outside the box or in the depths of the box.
- [42:33]
Spencer
Very good. Moving on, our next segment is hot tip off. Let's all do the hot tip off. H O T T I D R let's all do a bill. Do you love her new song, Saskatchewan?
- [42:56]
Phil
Spencer? I haven't heard it.
- [42:57]
Spencer
Oh, okay.
- [42:57]
Phil
I haven't heard it since the. I haven't listened to any new stuff since the country tinged one.
- [43:01]
Spencer
The giver who is amazing, Chapel Rowan. All right, this week's hot tip off is presented by Mountain Ops. Whether you're training for the mountain or just trying to feel your best every day, Mountain Ops has your back. With proven high performance nutrition you can count on. From energy and endurance to recovery and daily health, their products are built to help you on the mount, in the gym, or wherever your day takes you. For today's, fitness hot tip off. It's Giannis Patelis versus Rich Froning. Take it away, Phil.
- [43:32]
Phil
Giannis Pu. Jealous.
- [43:37]
G
Hey, here's a hot tip for you for when you're thinking about working out about your fitness and getting ready for this fall. Whatever you do, I hope you're doing something to get ready just because it's good for you. But don't do it just one day and then take a couple days off. A lot of hunts, especially western hunts where you're taking a week off to go somewhere. If you're going out of state to hunt, whitetail deer are going to be a 4, 5, 6 days hunting in a row. Okay. So train your body for that as well.
- [44:07]
Spencer
Okay.
- [44:07]
G
Work out one day, run the next day. Do something else with your legs. Keep doing it day after day so that your body is prepared for a four or five day hunt. Okay. Most of these hunts are endurance events, not sprints. So make sure you're doing stuff one day after another. There you go. There's no hotter tip than that right, right there. Thanks for being patient, boys. Spencer.
- [44:32]
Spencer
Chicka chicka Slim Shady. My meat eater Hot tip is the best program is the one you'll stick to. There's a ton of methodologies out there. There's a ton of different programs out there. There's people that think you should go long and slow to be better. There's people that think you need to be stronger. I think it's somewhere in the middle, but do something. Find something that you enjoy. Continue to stack days consistent.
- [44:57]
Cal
Consistency is the key.
- [44:59]
Spencer
Keep it up and get out there and do it. All right, Phil is going to create a poll for the chat to vote on. We're going to give them one minute.
- [45:08]
Phil
Yeah, give me about 30 seconds here.
- [45:10]
Spencer
To get their results.
- [45:11]
Cal
Very similar tips.
- [45:12]
Spencer
Really very. And they, they didn't know what each other want each other was doing. It's almost as though Yanni sent that to his 20 minutes before the show today.
- [45:20]
Phil
Crazy.
- [45:21]
Spencer
He's in Alaska and I think he's in Alaska right now.
- [45:24]
Randall
Yeah. Interesting, interesting.
- [45:27]
Spencer
So we've got Yanni's tip about training like you hunt and Rich's tip about building a routine. Cal, you said they're similar, but which one, which one do you like better? We're gonna let the chat decide, but maybe you can influence them.
- [45:39]
Phil
Poll is live.
- [45:42]
Cal
I mean, they're, they're, they're both very good. I like the simplicity of riches, which is like just do something is at the end of the day like all those some Things add up, however, on Giannis's deal of like, he didn't say it this way, but it's like you need to exercise while you're sore. That that is a real thing. Like, you gotta keep stacking those days up. So I like that one, too.
- [46:17]
Spencer
Bill, we're going to give the chat like 20 more seconds here. If you're listening to this and you have a hot tip, send that to radio atthe meat eater.com with the subject line hot tip off. And our, our friend Corey and our producer Jake are going to review those. We'll have more hot tips coming to you in future episodes. All right, Phil, let's close the poll. Who is the winner between giannis and rich?
- [46:41]
Phil
58% of the vote. The winner is. Giannis Putelis.
- [46:46]
Cal
Oh, my God.
- [46:49]
Spencer
Amazing. Glad he got that hot tip submitted.
- [46:52]
Randall
I don't know. I'd go with Rich on that one. You know, sometimes he's just grinding, recording audiobooks, tough to get. Get a good workout in every day. But, you know, do, do what you do, do what you can do, do what you will do. Giannis, seems like that's a program for man. Got a lot of. A lot of workout time.
- [47:14]
Spencer
58 of the audience liked Yanni's hot tip better. And again, hot tip. This Hot Tip off this week was presented by Mountain Ops.
- [47:24]
Giannis Putelis
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- [48:11]
Spencer
All right, moving on. Our next segment is One Minute Fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk? Go ahead, make my cast. One Minute Fishing is brought to you by ONX Fish. To find your new favorite place to fish, go to onyxmaps.com fish one minute fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish. And if they're successful, will make a 500 donation to a conservation group this week. Our angler is Corey Calkins. He's on a river in Montana and fishing for a donation to the Wild And Scenic Rivers Coalition. Corey, welcome to the show.
- [48:51]
H
Oh, what's up, guys?
- [48:52]
Spencer
What's up, Corey? Now, earlier this week, I believe it was on Tuesday, Corey told me and Randall that he had a 50 chance of being successful today. About an hour ago, he upped it to 95 chance. Are you still feeling that confident?
- [49:10]
H
Yeah, I might even bump IT up to 96%.
- [49:13]
Randall
He also repositioned since. Since we last had him on the screen here.
- [49:17]
Spencer
Now, now why this is true. Why so confident this morning?
- [49:22]
H
Well, I'm literally watching all these fish rise right here. Plus, I did dip my worm in the water for a hot second and it didn't take long to catch a fish. And I backed off because I didn't want to burn the hole. Went downstream a little ways. First cast with a different fly. And I got an 18 inch brown trout.
- [49:41]
Cal
Oh, geez.
- [49:42]
H
See if I can get three casts in a row is what I'm going for now.
- [49:45]
Cal
My goodness, I saw the picture. I mean, 18 inches for somebody.
- [49:51]
Spencer
Tell us about the fly you're gonna use for one minute fishing.
- [49:55]
H
Oh, let's see. Man, that last fish, the 17 and a half inch fish, according to California, ate a big, chubby, big dry fly. But if I only get a minute to fish, I'm gonna fish with a little stonefly nymph. This is a tan turd. And I also have a little PMD nymph behind it.
- [50:18]
Cal
So you're running, running three flies?
- [50:21]
H
No, sir, just two.
- [50:23]
Spencer
Two under a bobber, two flies and a strike indicator. All right, Corey, you're one minute.
- [50:27]
H
I did just want to point out. Look at this really cool heart rock I just found.
- [50:30]
Spencer
Oh, beautiful. Take that home, give it to your wife. All right, I will.
- [50:34]
H
Oh, I do have one note and one request. Yes, I am self filming, so bear with me here. I gotta flip the camera around here in a second. Well, I don't know if I can do that now. Oh, and also, last time I did this, I believe the timer started when I like walked away from the camera. If I could get the timer to start when I start my first cast.
- [50:57]
Phil
No, I started it at the perfect time, Cory.
- [51:00]
Spencer
Okay. Corey. Yeah. I don't think you can rotate your camera when you're in. That's okay that we're gonna be okay with that.
- [51:08]
H
Oh, don't you worry.
- [51:10]
Phil
Doing it manual style analog.
- [51:12]
Cal
Yeah, I mean, if he casts out of the frame.
- [51:14]
Randall
This is a real pro move here.
- [51:16]
Cal
Then we really have to assume not.
- [51:19]
Phil
The best picture, but somehow still better than the pond on the other Side of this wall.
- [51:23]
Spencer
All right, Corey, your one minute of fishing starts when you make your first cast.
- [51:28]
Randall
Flop it in there, buddy.
- [51:30]
Spencer
We're watching. We'll make sure that Phil is diligently.
- [51:36]
Randall
Stripping some line out.
- [51:38]
Phil
Go, Phil.
- [51:39]
Cal
Go, Phil.
- [51:40]
Phil
I know. He's false.
- [51:41]
Spencer
There we go. Fly is in the water. His one minute just started. We've never had a more confident angler. And he set the hook.
- [51:50]
Phil
Come on.
- [51:50]
Spencer
He is eight seconds in.
- [51:52]
Randall
Keep that line tight.
- [51:53]
Spencer
He's getting the net out.
- [51:56]
Randall
Oh, my goodness.
- [52:01]
Phil
Catch another one.
- [52:02]
Spencer
Very professional landing. What do we got there, Corey? He's. He's out of the frame. Oh, hey.
- [52:10]
H
Very healthy rainbow.
- [52:12]
Brian
Wow.
- [52:12]
Randall
Wow.
- [52:13]
Cal
Another 18 incher.
- [52:15]
H
All right, 18 cm cal.
- [52:18]
Spencer
What? What did it eat? What? What did.
- [52:19]
H
He ate that pmd.
- [52:22]
Spencer
Okay, make another cast for us anyway. You got another 20 seconds, Corey. Oh, he's going back for his rod.
- [52:29]
Phil
I cut the music. Randall, do you want to. Do you want to do some epic, like Hans Zimmer style?
- [52:40]
Randall
That's more of a march.
- [52:41]
Spencer
Just made his second cast. We'll see how hungry the trout really are today. Stripping line, mending line.
- [52:50]
Phil
We're not playing prices right this week, so. Oh, no, I didn't want to do.
- [52:53]
Randall
That one slick little network there.
- [52:56]
Spencer
You know what? That was such a fancy, full, professional landing that he did. If you're listening to this, it's worth going over to YouTube right now just to see what it looks like when a pro has a fly rod in their hand.
- [53:07]
Cal
Yep. Barely fit in the net.
- [53:10]
Spencer
That's not what it looks like when I'm out fly fishing. All right, Corey. Good thing you got a foldable canoe. That's right. Well done, Corey.
- [53:19]
H
Three in a row.
- [53:21]
Spencer
That's right. He. He earned $500 today for wild and Scenic Rivers Coalition. We were on a one minute fishing success drought. So thank you, Corey, for ending that.
- [53:32]
Randall
Nicely done, sir.
- [53:34]
H
Hey, no problem.
- [53:36]
Phil
It was easy.
- [53:37]
H
Obviously.
- [53:38]
Randall
You coming? You coming into the office later? How far away is that boat ramp?
- [53:44]
Spencer
Don't tell us.
- [53:44]
H
I got about four. I got about four more miles.
- [53:47]
Spencer
Okay.
- [53:48]
H
Don't tell my boss.
- [53:49]
Spencer
All right. Well done, Corey. Thank you for joining us. Us. Send us more pictures. All right, last for today, we are playing fake news.
- [54:14]
Cal
Sign me up for the Christmas download. Except, like, it's amazing.
- [54:18]
Phil
Yeah. We'll set records at the auction house.
- [54:20]
Randall
It sounds like. Yeah. Is that a shot at Giannis?
- [54:23]
Phil
No, it was a shot at Steve. Cause I was listing, like, fake news stories. His fake news story was Steve is a better shot than Giannis.
- [54:30]
Randall
Right. But you're also doing an Eminem song with Giannis new hair.
- [54:35]
Phil
Oh, that's true.
- [54:37]
Spencer
This song.
- [54:38]
Phil
That adds a whole new wrinkle. I didn't even think about that.
- [54:41]
Spencer
All right, Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three impostors. Cal and Randall's job is to figure out which one is true. All right, here is the first headline. Officers use blank to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Is it bocce ball, leaf blower, chopsticks, or RC car? This is a real headline. Earlier this summer, I missed. Officers use bocce ball to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Officers use chopsticks to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Or Officers use RC car to remove snapping turtle from roadway. Bocce ball, leaf blower, chopsticks or rc. Carl and Randall, do you have an answer?
- [55:42]
Cal
I know that there is a headline out there, conservation worldwide, that involves an RC car.
- [55:50]
Spencer
Okay.
- [55:51]
Cal
I just don't know if this is it.
- [55:54]
Spencer
Are you boys ready?
- [55:55]
Cal
Yep.
- [55:55]
Spencer
Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying leaf blower, and we have Randall saying leaf blower. Officers use leaf blower to remove snapping turtle from roadway. You both got it wrong. The correct answer is RC car knew it, but he didn't know it. It. That headline was from Dakota News now on July 25, 2025. It comes from where I grew up, Hutchinson County, South Dakota. Officers said the snapper was causing a traffic jam. Their sheriff's office posted the video on Facebook of a tactical RC car harassing a snapping turtle as it crossed the road. The RC car's real function is to place spike strips during pursuits. The sheriff's office has since deleted the post, with Facebook commenters flaming them for not finding a more simple solution. Here is that video. Play the clip, Phil.
- [56:47]
Randall
He didn't say it was a tactical RC car.
- [56:50]
Spencer
Well, the headline didn't say tactical RC car, and that is made to deploy spike strips, but instead, it is pushing on a snapper.
- [57:00]
Cal
I'm just gonna guess there's just not a lot that happens in this part of South Dakota.
- [57:04]
Randall
I mean, yeah, this looks like just some juvenile delinquents, huh?
- [57:08]
Spencer
Yes, I. I understand.
- [57:09]
Randall
I feel like if their parents saw this, they'd get in trouble.
- [57:11]
Spencer
Yes, it's. It's. I. I understand why it was deleted, folks. You know, you can just pick those up. You can just, like, let it be.
- [57:22]
Cal
The snap and turtle. Like hunting community and appreciation. Community is pretty strong. Like people. People love dealing with snappers?
- [57:32]
Spencer
Yes. Almost all the snappers I've eaten came from a roadway as I was just driving down the highway in the summer. So that dude instead pushed it around with his RC car. All right, here's the second headline. Cal and Randall are. Oh, for two.
- [57:47]
Cal
We should say something about like Doge for that.
- [57:51]
Spencer
Oh yeah, the news story about that RC car had mentioned that they got the RC car in a grant.
- [57:57]
Randall
Yeah, it's probably some Homeland Security chases.
- [58:00]
Cal
Yeah.
- [58:01]
Spencer
All right, headline two blank found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. Is it human toe, Titanic artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return, or rare Furby? Dash Point State park is near Tacoma, Washington. Blank found in gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. Is it human toe, Titanic artifacts, Dwight Eisenhower's tax return, or rare Furby? Which one of those is the real headline?
- [58:40]
Cal
No clue on this one, but I know what I want it to be.
- [58:43]
Spencer
Okay, Randall, are you ready as well?
- [58:46]
Randall
Yeah, I'm just going with a real fun one.
- [58:48]
Spencer
Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Cal saying, human toe founding gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. We have Randall saying, rare Furby founding gift wrapped box at Dash Point State Park. The correct answer is human toe. Cal got that one right. He wanted it to be the human toe and it was the human toe. This headline was from Seattle CBS affiliate KIRO 7 News. On July 9, 2025, the box was discovered on a Puget Sound beach over Father's Day weekend. The man who found it said it was wrapped in green cloth and had a yellow bow. The toe was turned over to the King County Medical Examiner's office who tracked down its owner. They said the digit was medically amp. Decapitated and that the man who it belonged to wished to remain anonymous. So case closed. Phil is now going to show us photos of that toe. If you're watching, this is your last chance to look away before you see a very disgusting picture of a decapitated human toe.
- [59:50]
Randall
Oh, removed human. Oh, it's worse than I thought it would be.
- [59:52]
Spencer
Yeah, what you're seeing there, it looks like.
- [59:57]
Randall
It looks like some sort of marine creature.
- [60:01]
Cal
Yes, it looks like a desiccated.
- [60:03]
Randall
It looks like an alien oyster.
- [60:05]
Spencer
It looks like a movie prop that you'd see and you'd be like, well, that's not what removed human toe looks like. It just looks ridiculous.
- [60:13]
Randall
But there's colors that shouldn't be there.
- [60:15]
Phil
Yeah, it's some kind of like rock that I'd find at a gift shop.
- [60:17]
Cal
Yeah, I think the color I'm Assuming is the antiseptic that liberally hosed around the digit before they man cut that.
- [60:28]
Randall
Let's cut back to the cat. Yeah, there we go. There we go.
- [60:31]
Spencer
Human toe. Founding gift wrap box at Dash Point State Park.
- [60:34]
Randall
I just wanted to know, how did you come up with Furby?
- [60:41]
Spencer
Because I'm a child of the 90s, so you know that, like, has claims.
- [60:45]
Phil
I'm so curious about Dwight Eisenhower's tax.
- [60:48]
Cal
Return in this particular instance, though, like, the person who found it probably has legal claim. If the owner of the toe is, like, I don't want anything to do with it. Right.
- [60:57]
Spencer
That person, I don't think wanted it. He reported it right away. And he told the news that there was a dead seagull nearby. So maybe the two are related.
- [61:05]
Cal
Whoa.
- [61:06]
Spencer
Turns out they were.
- [61:07]
Randall
Isn't Seattle where, like, the foot, the foot and the shoe washed up on shore?
- [61:11]
Spencer
That sounds right.
- [61:11]
Phil
I think so. Yeah.
- [61:12]
Randall
Yeah.
- [61:13]
Spencer
All right, our third interesting headline of the day. The newest tool for hazing wolves. Blank's voice. Is it Scarlett Johansson, Eric Cartman, Christopher Walken, or Missy Elliot? Cal and Randall, very quick to answer. Do you boys know this one?
- [61:32]
Cal
Yeah, I do.
- [61:33]
Spencer
Okay, they've seen the real headline. We'll give folks listening and watching right now, though, a chance to come up with their answer. The newest tool for hazing wolves. Scarlett Johansson's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves. Eric Cartman's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves. Wolves. Christopher Walken's voice. The newest tool for hazing wolves, Missy Elliott's voice.
- [61:58]
Randall
All right, I would have gone with Missy Elliott's music. That were an option, but Missy Elliot's music.
- [62:07]
Spencer
All right, you boys ready to reveal the correct answer?
- [62:10]
Cal
Yes.
- [62:11]
Spencer
Let's see them both players saying Scarlett Johansson. And they got it. The correct answer is the newest tool for hazing wolves, Scarlett Johansson's voice. That headline was from outdoor life on August 4, 2025, just a few days ago. This is part of a project by the Department of Agriculture that attempts to keep wolves away from livestock. They're using a loudspeaker that broadcasts alarming sounds such as fireworks, gunshots, and people arguing. Their audio of choice comes from the 2019 film Marriage Story, starring Adam Driver and Scarlett Johansson. In that five minute scene, Driver and Johansson scream at each other while on the brink of divorce. Here is one minute of what those wolves are hearing.
- [62:55]
Cal
Oh, no.
- [62:56]
Randall
It's a tough watch.
- [62:57]
Spencer
I can't believe I have to know you forever. You're insane and you're winning. Are you kidding?
- [63:07]
Brian
Me, I'm wanting to be married.
- [63:10]
Spencer
I'd already lost.
- [63:12]
Brian
You didn't love me as much as I loved you. What does that have to do with la.
- [63:20]
Spencer
What?
- [63:21]
Brian
You're so merged with your own selfishness, you don't even identify it as selfishness anymore. You're such a dick.
- [63:31]
Spencer
Every day I wake up and I hope you're dead.
- [63:33]
Brian
Dead.
- [63:34]
Spencer
Like if I could guarantee Henry would be okay, I'd hope you get illness.
- [63:38]
Randall
And they get hit by a car and die.
- [63:43]
Spencer
Powerful stuff. Here's a spoiler alert. They do get divorced after.
- [63:46]
Randall
I was hoping that seeing that clip would. Would stir some memory of what that movie was about, but my only. The only thing I can recall is just them screaming at each other.
- [63:57]
Cal
I didn't like that.
- [63:58]
Randall
Tough watch. Tough watch.
- [64:00]
Phil
Hard. Hard stuff.
- [64:01]
Spencer
Cal has pulled himself away from the table.
- [64:03]
Randall
Cartman would have been good.
- [64:04]
Spencer
Good. Eric Cartman would have been good. What would it sound like, Phil, if. If any of those other folks were delivering some audio to keep wolves away from livestock? Your choices are Eric Cartman, Christopher walken, or Missy Elliot. Can you get these wolves away from these cows? Oh, very good. I really love that. Do you have any more?
- [64:25]
Phil
No. Okay.
- [64:27]
Cal
Oh, you got to be able to do crispr walk.
- [64:29]
Phil
What are you doing by that fence?
- [64:30]
Randall
You got it all wrong. You don't want to be there. Well, no, he's not in the movie. Anaconda.
- [64:37]
Phil
Is he walking? No. Isn't that.
- [64:40]
Randall
I'm thinking of Angelina Jolie's dad.
- [64:41]
Spencer
Yeah.
- [64:42]
Phil
Jon Voight.
- [64:42]
Randall
Yeah. Never mind.
- [64:44]
Spencer
Do you have Christopher Wogan for us, Randall?
- [64:46]
Randall
No, but I was trying to come up with a Missy Elliott song, and the only one I can recall is get your freak on. And I don't really know much of it except for just the chorus, which repeats the title of the song.
- [64:58]
Spencer
Musical masterpiece. All right, that's.
- [65:01]
Cal
Stop. Don't go there.
- [65:04]
Phil
That's great.
- [65:05]
Spencer
Yeah.
- [65:06]
Cal
What are you doing?
- [65:08]
Spencer
The watch.
- [65:11]
Phil
Shoved it up his ass.
- [65:12]
Cal
Those cows. That not for wolves. You got it.
- [65:16]
Randall
No, you got it all wrong. See, you got my guy all wrong here.
- [65:20]
Spencer
I don't think that would keep the wolves away from the livestock.
- [65:22]
Randall
They'd be intrigued. Yeah, because he's such a mysterious character.
- [65:25]
Spencer
They chose Adam driver and scarjo. Screaming edge. All right, that's the end of today's show. Phil, let's get some final feedback.
- [65:32]
Phil
Oh, goodness. Okay, I still have a bunch of. A bunch of questions from the first round. How about some local tips without spot burning? Will says he'll be flying into Bozeman Next Tuesday. Any tips for a first trip to the area? Looking to do some fishing in alpine lakes and streams within two to three hours of Bozeman.
- [65:47]
Randall
Now do this without spot burning.
- [65:49]
Cal
Yeah. Will biggest tip. Go. Carry on. The Bozeman airport is an absolute mess right now.
- [65:56]
Phil
Yeah. They're doing a bunch of baggage claim construction. Yeah.
- [65:58]
Cal
And with all the guest ranch Yellowstone influx of tourism, it's brutal.
- [66:06]
Randall
And if you feel like you're being followed by a suspicious character and you need to get away, just put on a cowboy hat.
- [66:12]
Cal
There you go.
- [66:13]
Randall
You'll just blend in.
- [66:15]
Cal
Put on a felt cowboy hat.
- [66:18]
Randall
Brand new.
- [66:19]
Cal
Middle of summer in Montana. It seems to be a real trend.
- [66:25]
Randall
In all seriousness, just, just get away from people.
- [66:28]
Spencer
Yeah. Two to three hours. That can get you to the other side of Yellowstone National Park. That can get you to the other side of Missoula. There's a lot of fishing between here and there. Go to Onx, turn on the, the layer that shows you like you're looking at Google Maps, not the aerial. And you'll see all these little bodies of water. They all have names. Go type that into Google. Montana. FWP does a good job of telling you what fish are in that lake as well as what. I really like how much angling pressure a body of water gets. From surveys you'll see some numbers that are only double digits, like 95 angler days. That would imply no one is fishing there. Other lakes are going to be in the thousands. So just, just pull up Onx, find something that looks nice and then see what the FWP has to say.
- [67:15]
Cal
Choose your own adventure. And then you get the, the feeling of hey, I did that. It's great.
- [67:21]
Spencer
There you go.
- [67:22]
Phil
Zach says speaking of gear, he sent this in a while ago. Is there a new gear item that you're bringing into the field this fall? A new piece of gear you have not used yet?
- [67:33]
Spencer
I have an Illinois deer tag. And so for the first time in my life, I will be hunting with a straight wall cartridge.
- [67:39]
Cal
Cool.
- [67:40]
Randall
Straight wall Spencer.
- [67:41]
Spencer
I'm excited to give that a shot. That will be a new piece of.
- [67:44]
Cal
Gear for, for me, man. I got, I gotta look up what the heck it is, but I got a new razor the other day and I'm super pumped on it. I'm not going to be bringing this into the field, but it's like a one piece, aluminum replaceable Brit blade razor made here in Belgrade, Montana. I'm looking it up right now. I'm pumped on it.
- [68:08]
Spencer
Randall.
- [68:09]
Cal
Great product.
- [68:11]
Randall
You know, in preparation for today's segment, in case. In case it wasn't clear to all.
- [68:17]
Cal
Proof Razor Randall. That's what it is. It's called proof.
- [68:23]
Randall
I, I don't have, I don't have any new gear at the moment that I'm, I'm real excited about. I spent most of my money this, most of my fun money this year on a few ill advised fun gun projects and a whole pile of suppressors. So you should, if you have gear.
- [68:41]
Spencer
You should send Randall your free gear. And here's the best reason why. Someone sent him some hot dogs.
- [68:48]
Randall
Yes.
- [68:48]
Spencer
And then he posted about those hot dogs on Instagram and that video got how many views?
- [68:53]
Randall
I think it's at like 1.1 or 1.2 million.
- [68:56]
Spencer
One.
- [68:58]
Cal
Point.
- [68:58]
Randall
Something like that. Well, I don't know. There's a hundred thousand difference between.
- [69:01]
Spencer
That was just because some hot dogs showed up up addressed to random guy.
- [69:05]
Randall
Sent me some hot dogs from Wimmers Meats. Shout out Wimmers Meats. I believe in the great state of Nebraska or Kansas.
- [69:11]
Spencer
It was the best marketing he could have ever done.
- [69:13]
Randall
Yeah, but they don't have an Instagram page so I, I was going to tag him in it. Well, but yeah, Case Meats out there got them, put them up on the Internet. People are. Hot dogs are having a moment on the Internet. So I don't know that it's core to our audience, but it's really made the rounds with a very strange subset of people.
- [69:30]
Spencer
People. Phil, what else you got?
- [69:32]
Phil
There was a question for Cal about what the best route for backpacking through the Frank Church. Wilder, or is it wildlife preserve?
- [69:39]
Randall
Wilderness.
- [69:41]
Phil
Yeah, wilderness areas. If you have any tips about where.
- [69:44]
Cal
To start or where to. There is a lot of water along pretty much every access point into the Frank Church. So it's a big wilderness area, but it's heavily accessible. There's a road that kind of goes all the way through it, so you have lots of options. It's a gorgeous spot. Go for it. Yeah, no, there's no, no wrong answer there. Cool.
- [70:16]
Phil
Zach says. Phil, what's your Pokemon Go friend code? Zach? I don't actually play a lot of Pokemon Go. The only reason I have it on my phone is for my kids. I played a lot in 2016 when it first launched. Who could forget it? Who could forget when Hillary Clinton urged us all to Pokemon Go to the polls? That worked out really well for her. That's when it was at its most relevant. But there are a lot of people that still play.
- [70:39]
Spencer
She lost the election. That Day when she said, now we need you to Pokemon Go to the polls. Phil's still talking about.
- [70:46]
Phil
Sorry to sort of the heartbreak there.
- [70:48]
Spencer
But Zach's question can get you to play Pokemon Go a little more now that. That you have potential friends to make.
- [70:55]
Phil
Maybe I don't even. I mean, Zach, you tell me what I can even do in Pokemon Go these days. I only know all the stuff you could do nine years ago.
- [71:02]
Randall
So I read that as not Pokemon Go friend code. I read that as Pokemon Go friend code, and I was wondering what a Go friend code was.
- [71:12]
Spencer
All right, Phil, let's do a few more.
- [71:13]
Phil
Okay. Let's see. Get in some questions, because I think we're running out of. Of ones that I feel like reading.
- [71:22]
Randall
I saw one in there about the Little Miami River, Phil.
- [71:24]
Phil
Oh, sure, yeah. Talk about it, Randall.
- [71:27]
Randall
We love the Little Miami River. It's the greatest. One of the greatest rivers in our country.
- [71:31]
Spencer
Wow.
- [71:32]
Randall
It's actually mentioned by Thomas Jefferson in his book Notes on the State of Virginia, and he's describing all of the rivers he's ever heard of, and he describes the Little Miami as not affording much navigation, but southwestern Ohio just outside of Cincinnati kind of tickles the. Tickles. The east side of the Cincinnati 275 beltway. We love it. We love it. Our vice president was just floating on that river for his birthday.
- [72:01]
Spencer
As a child, I was very confused by a few names in the country. Miami, Ohio being one of them because of their university who's sometimes relevant in college football. So, no, that's Florida and then also the Washington football team. I was like, well, that's like the West Coast. It didn't make sense to me. Ah, I see how they were in the same division as the Eagles and the Cowboys.
- [72:23]
Randall
Well, I don't know how Miami, Florida got its name, but, oh, Ohio had it first. Well, it's. It's the. It's people. It's an indigenous. It's an indigenous nation. So the great Miami River, Little Miami River, Miami University. I don't know. There maybe there was diaspora. I know like, a lot of those tribes in the Ohio River Valley were. Were pushed out, and they created a sort of diaspora across the country. So I don't know if that's how Miami got its name, but I'd like to claim it for Ohio.
- [72:53]
Spencer
It's yours, Phil. What else you got?
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Phil
Christopher says, cal, what is your weapon of choice for your big bear hunt?
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Cal
I'm bringing my. I'm bringing my recurve and a.300 win mag. So I have a big bear hunt coming up. Brown bear fall. Brown bear in Alaska out on the peninsula. And so it's actual coastal brown bear, which is like a just a spoiled kid adventure that I never thought I'd do, but it's happening. So I'm gonna try to sneak up on some old stanky brown bear with my recurve and, and usher him silently but effectively into a deep slumber with a well placed, oh, 580 grain arrow. And then I'm gonna have that 300 wind mag for ideally getting a couple of wolves because there's supposed to be just a ton of wolves in this area. And then if all of this goes to plan, my big thing that I want to do is, is do like Korean style barbecue on the beach with brown bear and wolf.
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Spencer
Yeah, that'll be fun.
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Cal
Yep.
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Spencer
Phil, give us one more. If you got too many chooses, this.
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Phil
Is, this is great content. Well, I had one ask. It was one for me that I don't think is interesting. So I'm trying to find another one. But I'll just say, does Phil cook? What do meat eater roast? The answer is I cook a little bit, but I'm not confident enough to be in front of a camera cooking a bunch of meat that I've never cooked before. I was supposed to be a judge for one episode, but I got bumped for Randy Newberg.
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Randall
It was tough because plainly after watching my episode, it's a prerequisite that one be confident in their cooking to compete in meaty do roast.
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Phil
Yes, of course.
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Spencer
All right, before we get out of here, Randall has a plug for next week's episode where we are doing a movie club.
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Randall
Oh, that's right. That's right. Next week we will be talking about the 1997 film Wild America. One hour, 46 minutes. It tells the story of the Stouffer brothers. 29% on Rotten Tomatoes. You can stream it on Tubi for free. And I think the other streaming options out there require some sort of nominal rental fee. But I don't know how many people are actually watching these movies. So we decided that tubi was sufficient.
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Spencer
It's quite literally free. Yes. If you have a smart TV or any kind of streaming stick service. Free.
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Randall
But tune in. Jonathan Taylor Thomas. You might know him as the voice of young Simba. He's the star. And then Scott Barstow stars as Marty Stouffer, the famous filmmaker. You might know him from his work opposite Kevin Costner in the Postman.
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Spencer
Oh, all right.
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Randall
Scott Baristow. That is Marty Stouffer. Not. I don't.
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Spencer
I think Phil is really going to excel in this movie club.
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Randall
Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. Tune in.
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Cal
You could probably do the Postman, too.
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Randall
I know the Postman Water world.
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Phil
Oh, Just going to do Costner's Filmography.
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Randall
Yeah, it's a rich. It's a rich ua.
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Spencer
All right, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. See you back here next week.
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Cal
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Spencer
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