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This is an iHeart podcast. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through August 26th, it's back to deals time where you can enjoy storewide deals and earn four times points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Califia Farms, Pillsbury Crescent, Yoplait, General Mills, Prego, Bertoli, Heinz and Kraft. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Shop in store or online for easy drive up and go. Pickup or delivery subject to availability restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details. You've got the land, you've got the deer. But the season's closing in and your mind's racing with more questions than answers. I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access? Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand. Search Wire to Hunt and hit that follow button to listen to back 40. Now it's a meat eater podcast. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. I'm your spirit. Special guest host today, Mark Kenyon. And this week I am joined by Giannis Clay, Brent, Maggie, Bear, Tony Spencer and Heather. This is a 10 round quiz show with questions from Meat Eater's four main verticals which are hunting, fishing, conservation and cooking. And there is a prize mediator will donate $500 to the Conservation organization of the winners choosing. And today we have a lot of new faces, a lot of out of towners here in the studio which is exciting but two of them are first time appearance folks on the podcast. Here we've got Bear and Heather. Heather, how are you feeling here today? I'm feeling good. That wasn't convincing to be honest. I'm ready. You're ready? Yeah. She studied all night. Heather was. Heather was thinking she needed to practice for this. Oh, how do you practice? I don't know. You gifted me the game. I did. We've used all those questions though, so I don't think they'll show up today. Here's my only concern, Heather, right out the gate. I do know that you are not good at guessing people's ages because you, you. Yeah. Last night, supposedly separately, both Corey and Tony told Heather that I am 24 years old. And she bought a hook, line and sinker. Not hard to do, I know. Would you have told that joke if she would have thought you were 51? No, probably not. I am in fact 37. But if you were to have a specialty in trivia, what would you think that would be? Is there something that you're particularly good at or. Or weak in? From our four verticals. Hunt, fish, cook. Conservation. Strengths. I'd say traditional knowledge. Okay. Gen Ed, Indigenous culture. Yep. Yep. What about you, Bear? Well, I'll be honest. Every time I listen to the trivia and like, keep track of my score, I'm always like, bottom of the pack. Like, I don't know where Brody is, pulling out all this random knowledge. It's your dad's fault, actually. Brody's almost 70 years old. That's a lot of experience. That's where that comes from. Heather guessed him at 68. They did give me some hints I didn't study, but pollinators. I should have studied pollinators. Butterflies. In all honesty, that will help you today. These are, These are Mark Kenyon version. If you are a book reader, that will help today. That's all the clues I'll give you. Okay, Spencer, there are a lot of folks here in town. Do you want to let the audience know why we have all these folks in town? Like once a year, I feel like the whole crew gets together and we, we shoot guns and look at new products and record some podcasts. There's gonna be some fresh voices on radio today, I think. Clay Newcomb's in the, in the captain's chair. Just, just General Mosian. That's what Bear Newcomb says he does at home, that he. Every day he does some general moseying to. Which is. Is very annoying to his dad, Clay. When Clay says Bear, what are you up to today? It's, it's. It's just so nondescript for a lot of activities. It's the perfect word to say to your parents if you're just trying to be non descriptive. It's like the word aloha. It means whole kinds of. We're just General Mosean. It does seem incredibly on brand that Clay's son says something like that. So you've trained him well. How do you feel outside of the driver's seat, Spencer? Is this like. Do you enjoy this or are you nervous? I like playing and I, I wouldn't entrust someone in hosting if I didn't think they would do a good job as, as Yanni had said, having you pace him for the last 10 miles of his hundred mile race was. What was your reason, Yannick? Because you just trust that Mark will do like a good job. He'll study, he'll try hard, right? That's right. That's right. And Mark is new to running, ultra running. And I thought that it would be, it'd be a good exposure experience for, for Mark to, he'd get something out. Sure. He'd be appreciative to be there to your first point. He just organized. He will try hard. He'll like put in a real effort. So I, I think Mark will do a good job. I'm, I'm excited. Which he did do for me. If anybody's wondering how Mark did a great job pacing. Okay. What would have been a bad job besides just like walking? Just like not being able to do, to do enough talking, not being able to keep up the positive positivity that's needed. What'd you guys talk about? Well, to be clear, real quick, before Yanni says anything, a key thing he mentioned at the very beginning. He's hey, Mark, I don't have much in me right now, so don't ask me questions, do not interview me, just talk at me. So that was, I told him. I was like, I ain't got it in me for an interview, buddy. Yeah. Mark was just gonna podcast at you? Pretty much. That's what I did. Yeah. What'd you podcast about? Knowing me? Basically gave him like five book reports. Yeah. Got to know about a lot of books. Some of Mark's new projects he's working on here at Meat E. Yep. That was good. What else? I told you about my recent backpacking trip with the kids, some of our fun summer exploits, talked about my Iowa deer plans and then generally just, just told Yanni how proud I was of him and how inspiring he was. That's nice. And he wasn't, he wasn't quitting. One of my other buddies pulled up in his truck jamming some Wu Tang for us to get me fired up, which was working. Okay. And while Wu Tang's blaring out of the truck, Mark still. That's true. I'm also excited because the person hosting gets some constructive feedback from the people playing to which Tony is here. And you guys have such a good relationship that I'm certain he will be upset with you at some point. I think that's fair. We have that kind of relationship. I'm excited for that. Uh huh. And there's a little bit of a withdrawal I think for Tony because usually when we have these big meetings here in town. They make us room together, right? So usually me and Tony share. Share one twin bed. And this time. This time we got our own separate rooms and king beds. So we have not been as close as we usually are. I'm glad to be back here with you, Tony. I know it's. It's been a nightmare at night because I've had to just build a little Mark Kenyon out of pillows and draw a little mustache on it, but it's not the same snuggling level. It's just different. I can show you some websites for that time, just not quite the same. Anyways, maybe it's time to get to the show. I'd say it's past time. I think it is. So I think that's all the, like, little bits and pieces we need to do. Can we just. Can we just get to the drop, Phil? Oh, let's get. Can we just get to it? Look, I need to know what I stand to win. Everything. How's that? You stand to win everything. Game on, suckers. Phil isn't used to someone asking him to play the drop. He's used to someone, like, demanding him. It's like the difference between asking a dog to sit versus telling a dog to sit. And Phil hadn't. He doesn't normally. If I don't feel threatened, then what's the point? Yeah, way too polite. Sorry about that. Yeah, that's okay. So is it best to guess if we don't know? Is it best to just leave this blank or guess? Go ahead and guess. There's no. You're not gonna lose points for anything, so give it a shot. And funny guesses are funny, but they don't get you ext points. Yeah. And also, like, feel free to, like, yak it up, talk with us, make some noise, try to distract other people, have fun with it. There's. So when you competition coon hunt, you're. You're in this game that has a bunch of rules that's very different than if you actually went coon hunting with somebody. And so you might lose a competition coon hunt by the rules, but everybody kind of knows who won. You know what I mean? You kind of like. I've been in many hunts where I was like, everybody in this truck knows my dog was the best, but you may have beat me. That's the way I feel about trivia. So a good. A good answer is sometimes better than a right answer. Yeah, I want to know what dog that was. Anyways, go ahead. We Will be easing you. We're going to ease you two into it as we do every show, because the first question is multiple choice. Okay. All right. So question number one. The topic is hunting. We see the question mark. All right, here we go. In the 2001 cult classic Hunting themed film Escanaba in the moonlight, what was the name of the character whose Chevy took a on the side of M35? Is it A, Bobby Goulet from Grand Marais? Is it B, Jimmer Nagamini from Menominee? Is it C, Remnar Floret from Marquette? Or is it D, Reuben Sheboggan from Montenogan? Was any of that in English? It's all in Michigandes Escanab. And the moonlight, it is a terrific film. I can't wait to ask you all about if you've seen it or not. Is a stretch mark. Well, it's all in the eye of the beholder, my friend. We reviewed it for the Meat eater movie club on Meat eater radio. I knew we talked about it at some point. So we'll see if any of you guys are up on this one. How many of you have seen this movie? Raise your hand. Oh, wow. Oh, there we go. Two. All right. How many of you have heard of Escanaba into moonlight? Okay. This was the year you were born, right? You know? Yeah. I had a real roundabout way of finding out about Escanaba in the moonlight, especially being from Michigan. Yeah. I'm a young hunting guide in Colorado at this point, and I've been at it maybe three years because I've guided these dudes from Missouri for two years already. Like, the third year they come back, I kind of guide like a big group. Yeah, it's like one guide, six or seven guys. And I would just place them all across the countryside. And they come back the third year and they are fired up. They're like, yanni, we found this, saw this movie from the state that you're from. It is awesome. And like, it might have been like their first sort of like, exposure to that, you know, north northern, Midwest culture. Yeah. And yeah, that's how I found out about Escanaba in the Moonlight. It's. It's. It's a cultural phenomena, I would say. I'll read the question again for those of you listening. In the 2001 cult classic Hunting themed film Escanaba in the moonlight, what was the name of the character whose Jeffy took a on the side of M35? I'm 35. But we say at 35, Spencer, you feel pretty good about this one. I think I've got this one. My top takeaway after we watch this movie was that I would prefer to watch it as, like, live theater, to which I found out they did. It was wrote, I think it was written to be live theater. And it performed often in Michigan. Yes, at the Purple Rose. Have you seen Chelsea, Michigan? I've not seen it live. Okay. Oh, we should make a little meat eater trip to go see that. It'd be terrific. Fill in it. Yeah, I, I, well, I'll save it for after the question. Okay. Phil, how's your Michigan accent? I haven't done a lot of reps with it, but I'll, I'll get cracking on it. Okay, good. Are we good? Do we have answers? Y. Everybody in? All right, let's reveal the answer. Heather says a Bobby Goulet from Grand Marais. Bear says Bobby Goulet. Tony says Remnar. Spencer says Jimmer Nagamini. Maggie says Jimmer Nagamini. Clay says Jim or Nagamini. Yanni says Jim or Nagamini. Brent says Jim or Nagamini. And the correct answer is Jimmer. Well done. Yeah, you guys did well. Escanaba. The moonlight is a bizarre film from my home state of Michigan, takes place up in the upper, where things are a little bit different. It is starring Jeff Daniels, the famed actor from Dumb and Dumber and many other things. It tells the story of the Buckless Yooper. So this guy named Reuben Sodi goes up to his family deer camp and has to kind of face down the fears of becoming the oldest member of his family to have never killed a buck. Wow. And so it's this tremendous story of a, a true Michigan deer camp and hilarious family dynamics, the whole up culture thing going on. And then some very bizarre off the wall things come in maybe in the second half of the, of the movie. And Mark Kenyon's favorite movie. Right. It's up there as far as, like, I mean, it's. You watch it on annual, on an annual basis. We usually try to watch it rated. That's probably PG 13. Okay. I would not let my kids Borderline, Mark. Borderline. Yeah, sorry. You could watch it, Clay. You could watch it with Bear. Yes. Yeah. Yes, you could. I'm going to add it to my list and make my kids watch it this weekend. And like, to be clear, the first trouble, the first, the first third to half of it is very funny. If you get like northern Michigan, northern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota, like deer culture, the second half is like, what happened here? So be warned. Okay, Are we ready? For the second question, this is a little bit tougher. Man from Snowy River. Question two. Phil, we already watched that. All right. The topic is biology. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who's most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? And is it okay to give a clue? Because I was thinking maybe we need to get. Of course. I mean, if the whole room would agree on it, but I don't think Clay Newcombe would. No, no, because Randall said that maybe I should give a clue on this one. If Randall, the anti clue guy, says that you should, then I think you should. I'm gonna let Phil decide. Phil, clue or no clue? Well, how many. How many people feel confident in this room they have the correct answer? I'd say that if two people feel confident, then I don't think a clue is warranted. All right, well, there's only one. No, but Brent and Clay raised their hand. I thought Tony would have this one. Maybe Brent don't know it. I'll read the question one more time. What is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? I'm going to give a little clue. I'm going to give a half clue if you were to look at this dude's initials. E is one of the initials. I got it. I was like. I was questioning. It's like half the answer. Mark. I think Clay should get a secret tip from Mark on whichever question I needed for this. Good news for you, Clays. I don't think it helped anyone else. Maggie already had that answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Randall told me that my questions were tough, so I want to try to make sure that we don't get too low of a score here or there. How we doing? Questions in or answers in. No. One more time than the question is, what is the name of the famous biologist and author who is most widely credited with popularizing the term biodiversity? How many of you could give me a definition of biodiversity off the top of your head? I'm ready. Clay Newcombe, I'll give you like a paragraph of an idea of what it is. That's pretty good. I don't think I could give a very succinct definition. Yeah. The variety of flora and fauna in a given area. That's pretty good. All right, we good answers? I'm going with it. Are we ready? Let's see what you got. When in doubt, Heather thought it was Stephen. Rinella. Bear went with Eldo Leopold. Tony went with Darwin. Spencer went with Darlin Maggie went with EO Wilson. Clay went with EO Wilson. Yanni said Darwin. Bren said. Ernest Hemingway maybe. No, Wilson. I knew him by Earnest. His name's Edward. Hey, can I say something about E.O. wilson? Yeah. The correct answer is E.O. wilson. So. So he wrote a book called Biophilia. Sure did. Which Mark. Mark would know this. But Biophilia, it's an interesting idea because we're the only species on Earth that is super interested in other species. So biophilia means love of life as far as. And it's actually what kind of makes us human is our dramatic interest in all these other species. Yeah. And I find it interesting because in the book of Genesis, the first. The first job that man had was to name and, you know, name for animals. So. So it's this core fundamental definer of humanity is. That's very. Biophilia. Yeah. And so the theory of biophilia explores kind of the evolutionary history of why we have that deep connection to nature and to wildlife. It's very interesting to consider and very interesting angle there with the Genesis story that makes a lot of sense on. EO Wilson is very well known for, like, studying ants. Yes. Which is so cool. And that was his first gig. He's written in, like, such. Such like, small degree, like, oh, man, he's gone. He's gone from the very tiny to the very large. Yes. And it's like, it's not just loving like, you know, the animals we love to hunt or like the big places. It's looking at, like, how these tiny little animals function, and it's just mind blowing. Yeah. So let me. Let me tell you a little more about this book. Highly recommend reading. E.O. wilson, according to the National Museum of Natural History, biodiversity is the extraordinary variety of life on Earth, from genes and species to ecosystems and the valuable functions they perform. EO Wilson explained it as the very stuff of life. That said, according to many scientists and researchers, including E.O. wilson, we are living amidst a biodiversity crisis, with bios of biodiversity and species prevalence plummeting across many parts of the country. E.O. wilson has written about this extensively. In addition to being an author, he was a professor at Harvard. He is widely considered one of the greatest natural scientists of all time. He won a Pulitzer Prize. Several, actually, I think. And as you mentioned, he wrote the book Biophilia. He wrote the book the Diversity of Life and Half Earth, which explored a very kind of moonshot solution to the biodiversity crisis of somehow, to some degree, setting aside half of Earth to the conservation of Nature, pretty far out idea, probably not really realistic. But it has led to a more realistic goal which many are proposing and many countries are now pursuing now, which is the 30 by 30 initiative. So many countries are now trying to conserve 30% of their land by 2030, and that's thanks to E.O. wilson. How close is the United States? Not very close. I mean, you know, roughly, I feel like it was 14%. That. That's. That could be wrong, but I feel like it was somewhere in the teens and there's a lot of questions around. A couple of years ago, there was a bunch of work being done on this, and we started setting aside something. It was like the 30 by 30 atlas or something, the conservation atlas. And the big project being done about three years ago was trying to start cataloging exactly how we would define these lands that were technically conserved for the 30 by 30 initiative, and then how far along we were. And I feel like I remember it was somewhere in the teens, but there's a lot of question around. Is it actually land vs marine environments, etc? Does it have to be public land versus maybe, like private lands with a conservation easement? A lot of questions about question three. We ready? Ready. Question three. The topic is fishing. What popular game fish is known to the scientific community by way of its Latin name as Megalops atlanticus? What is wrong with you? Yeah. All right. What popular game fish? So. So we're looking for the common name. Yes. What's the common name of the fish who has the Latin name? Megalops atlanticus. Megalops atlanticus. Is anyone confident on this one? Tony? Yes, sir. Maybe Yanni's got it. I feel like I've got a reasonable guess. Okay. I don't want to give any clues. I want to talk about it, but I don't want to definitely give a clue. Initials. No initial guesses or no initial clues on this. It is a game fish. Yeah. You have to be. Yeah. You have to be specific. This isn't something you can give like a generic. So if the answer was big fish won't work. Yeah. If it was deer, you need to see either mule deer or white. That's correct. That's correct. You could. There's clues in the name. This is such a. This is such a Mark Kenyon question. It absolutely is. This is just a window into your soul, buddy. This whole show is exactly that. Tony, I asked a question I believe, in a previous episode that had the same answer. Did you? Interesting. And the Atlantic is what's throwing me off. A couple more seconds. And I want you guys to have your answers in, please. Did you write something? Heather? Throw something down there. There's a lot of fish. There's a lot of fish in your world. Science. Pick a fish. Any fish. Pick a fish. Go with the blank. Oh, okay. All right. Answers in. Are we good? No. Oh, Maggie's still no. I know that's not it. Come on. 10, 9. We're getting a real clock. Fine. Fine. This is not the answer. All right, let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says largemouth bass. Tony says king salmon. Spencer, Atlantic tuna. Maggie, striped bass. Clay barracuda. Yanni says tarpon. Brent says blue whale. The correct answer is tarpon. Megalops atlanticus is a tarpon. Tarpon are one of the absolute coolest fish in the world. I've recently become obsessed with them. I caught my first adult tarpon this spring, was about 75 pounds. She's maybe four or five feet long. Caught on a fly. Absolutely blew my mind. They can grow up to eight feet long. They can weigh well over 200 pounds. They can live 50, 60, 70 years or older. They are by far, I think pretty widely accepted as the most exciting fish to chase on a fly. As far as they feed on the flats. So they feed in shallow water. They'll chase a fly just like a bonefish or you know, a big brown trout or something. But then imagine a six foot long fish that weighs 150 pounds exploding out of the air and, and jumping three, four, five feet in the air. And these fights with these fish can last hours. I only had to fight my fish for something like 25 minutes. But I know people who have had a fish on the line for 2 hours, 4 hours, 12 hours, it is mind blowing. I've never experienced anything like it. I remember when that fish came tight, when I, when I saw this fish coming at the fly. I strip set. The only way I can describe that feeling. And I think this is something a lot of people can relate to. It's like if you were holding a very large dog on a leash and it sees a squirrel and that moment when the dog, you're not expecting it, but that dog explodes and chasing that squirrel and you're holding the leash on the other side and all of a sudden if that was what you felt, this explosion at the end of the line as that dog tries to chase the squirrel, that's kind of what that one second moment felt like when it came type and, and then from there it was just insane. So tarpon, they look like dragons. Are all of these questions designed so you can just brag to the room? All of these questions are designed so I can talk about stuff I like. That was a great story. Like, you did a great job of transferring the passion and energy that. But change this, change this story to a dog going after a bear. Ah. Everyone knows what that feels like. Yes. Very exciting. You know, like every part of your story just needs to be as flashy as possible. I get that. Flashy mule. I knew that a squirrel dog would be a little bitty dog. Yeah. That leash and it feel like you had a brim on. Yeah. In my mind I was imagining like a great Dane or rottweiler, like in a city park. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because this rider doesn't know what he's. What he's talking about. Because the thing is, like with every other kind of fishing, usually when you feel the take of a fish fish, there's usually like a bend in the rod. Right. Your rods like this and you feel like the tongue tunk and you set the hook or something like that. But in this case, there was no rod or real intermediary. The rods pointed straight at the fish and the line is connected straight from my hand to the fish. So there's. There was nothing else in the way. It was simply my hand on the line and this 75 pound fish on the other. Straight connection. What's he doing? Coffee. I'm trying to kill myself. All right, we got some folks who don't like Atlantic tarpon. We can move to question number four. I'm sorry. That's all right. Question number four. Brett just put fake poison in this coffee. For those who are listening. Hey, Brent, can we make this a murder suicide here, buddy? You want a double? The Jordan will be able to do a story about it cooking. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Now through August 26th, it's back to deals time where you can enjoy storewide deals and earn four times points. Look for in store tags to earn on eligible items from Califia Farms, Pillsbury Crescent, Yoplait, General Mills, Prego, Bertoli, Heinz and Kraft. Then clip the offer in the app for automatic event long savings. Shop in store or online for easy drive up and go. Pickup or delivery subject to availability restrictions apply. Visit Albertsons or Safeway.com for more details. Hunting demands, preparation, persistence and gear that will not quit on you. That is why I wear first light. This isn't about hype. It's about no compromise. Gear built to perform, built to last. Whether it's their industry leading merino wool keeping me comfortable through the cold and the hot. Or their durable outerwear shrugging off the elements. First Light is built to help you go farther and stay longer. Designed by hunters for hunters with a deep commitment to conservation and land access. No shortcuts, no excuses, just gear you can count on. Head to first light dot com. That's F I R S T L I T E dot com Cooking question number four. What's the name of the popular meat pie like dish that's uniquely popular in both the U.P. of Michigan and Butte, Montana? Oh, my gosh. What is the name of the popular meat pie like dish that is uniquely popular in both Michigan's Upper peninsula in Butte, Montana. Who makes them better? Yanni. I don't want to spell Michigan or Montana. I don't think I've had one in Montana. Have you, Spencer? I've had one in Butte. I've not had one in Michigan, though. They're dang good in Michigan. Butte claims to have, like, more Irish. Like a higher density of Irish people in Ireland, something like that. They make some outlandish claims about interesting how Irish they are. A lot of miners come over to the state, huh? Yeah. Oh, that's gonna be in the flavor text, I bet. Just might be. Now, are there. Are there two common names for this? Yeah, I mean, there could be, like the plural and the singular. It would have to satisfy that it's the popular dish in Michigan and Butte. Yeah. To which I think there's only one answer. There is only one answer. I got you. But I would accept the singular or plural answer. Yanni, you have it, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. How are we? Are we good? I don't think you have a question. Except I have to do something. Yeah. No more blanks, Heather. You got to put a food dish. Win the game against Clay that Clay plays where it's like, not actually going for score. That's what you're competing. Just try to make it sweat. Come on. Come on. You just like, give us. Show us that funny. Not off the cup. Oh, that's probably not true. You were the one who inspired this very funny video idea with Brent calling folks up in the middle of the night when they're trying to fall asleep. I wasn't in it. I'm the producer. You're behind the scenes. Find the talent. Okay. The idea. Fair enough. All right. Heather, you in? I don't know how to spell it, but I'm. I'm guessing it's wrong, but it's A meat pie dish from the Middle East. My mom's Middle Eastern and it's called Sriha, I think is how you say it's so good. That's my favorite. It's meat. It's not correct. But does pine nuts often made with. Is it time? Yes, it's time. Let's see your answers. Heather said Shia. I feel like he's right. Bear said Shepherd's pie. Tony Pasty. Spencer pasty. Maggie pasty. Clay mince meat pie. Yanni Pasty. Brent Pierogi. The correct answer is pasty. A pasty is a life. No, it's a savory. It's a savory handheld meat pie like dish. Imagine like a grown up hot pocket. According. Yeah, pasty. According to the Upper Peninsula Travel and Recreation association, pasties were the original fast food of copper miners and lumberjacks brought here from the mining region of Cornwall, England. UP. Which is Upper Peninsula up. Wives would fill the rolled out dough with leftover beef, potato, onion and rutabaga, fold the pastry in half, seal the edges and bake. Legend says the miners would take these golden pastries into the mines and reheat them on a shovel over their lantern candles. Pretty cool, huh? I like that. That was really cool. Mark. We recently had a similar question about a similar product called a kolache. Oh. That you can find in Texas. Oh. You can find those all over the South. So how many of you have had a pasty? You. Three of you. They're good. They're all over the up. Do they have them up in like northern Wisconsin at all? Haven't seen them. I don't go to northern Wisconsin. Fair enough. I do. I've never seen one. They're worth a try. For anyone who's not had them. Very tasty. You can get kind of different versions of them. Are they a deer camp staple or not? Not. Not for my deer camp. But we're below the bridge, so maybe up in the up. So there's the. You know, the Upper Peninsula of Michigan is separated from the Lower peninsula by the Mackinac Bridge, which is this very, very long bridge across the Great Lakes there. And the Yoopers would like to say that people like me are trolls because we live under the bridge and so we technically can't claim the. The pasty. That's a up thing. But when I'm here in Montana, I can claim it. How do they say it? How do they say it up there? Pasty or pasties? Past. They don't say like pasty? No. Well, I don't know. They talk funny up there. They've got the. The up accent. Yeah, but I guess it'll be pasty. Yeah, that's good. You want a pasty? Bill's been working on his accent over there. Sorry. I hate you, Spencer. He might even debut it on this episode. He's. Okay, let's move along. Question number five. The topic is public lands. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas? What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas? Yanni, you looked surprisingly slow on that one. I thought you were gonna be right away. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding the question correctly, but I'm pretty confident in my answer. Okay. Yeah, I think you'll get it. Anybody else feeling very confident? Maggie was quick. Maggie, being involved in the website, I think has a strong chance of this, because I. I would think that we've written about this. Now I'm questioning myself. Oh, like, really? Is this a trick? Maggie, did you write the little editorial that prefaced the three poaching articles? Was that you that decided to put in that little editorial up top? Must not be in the email that came out, just. Oh, that was me and Jordan. That was a. Yeah, that was good. I like that. Don't be a. Yeah, that was good. I appreciated that. This is a. This is an agency that manages some segment of our public lands, and they are responsible for inventoried roadless areas. Hmm. That is the key. Who has answers? I have a wrong one. I'll read the question one more time, and then we're gonna wrap it up. What public land agency is responsible for managing our nation's 58.5 million acres of inventoried roadless areas? Let's get those answers in here, Heather. All right, Heather says the usda, which is the Department of Agriculture, which does manage the US Forest Service bears as blm, Bureau of Land Management. Tony says National Forest Service. Spencer, National Forest. Maggie, National Forest. Clay, U.S. forest. Yanni, U.S. forest. Brent, U.S. forest. The correct answer is the U.S. forest Service, which I think that maybe we should give to Heather because it does fall underneath the usda. So I would be willing to give you that one. The correct answer is the U.S. forest Service. In 2001, the U.S. forest Service announced the roadless rule, which protected the U.S. forest Service's remaining 58.5 million acres of roadless lands in a nearly undeveloped state. According to Trout Unlimited, the Roadless Rule was originally created in response to the growing backlog of costs associated with maintaining the more than 386,000 miles of roads spanning the National Forest system, nearly 400,000 miles of roads across the U.S. forest system. For more than 20 years, the roadless Rule has conserved backcountry public lands and waters while providing flexibility for the first Forest Service to steward these high value landscapes through active management that improves forest health and allows for natural resource development. These multiple use areas sustain native trout and salmon, support wildlife with unfragmented corridors, and offer irreplaceable backcountry hunting and angling experiences. But earlier this summer, Secretary of Agriculture Brooke Rollins announced her department's intentions to rescind the Roadless Rule and roll back those protections for our 58.5 million acres of our last remaining roadless areas in the nation. If you want to learn more about that and the implications for hunters and anglers and wildlife, we just dropped today an episode of the Wired Hunt podcast on this very topic with the CEO and president of Trout Unlimited. His name is Chris Wood, and he worked at the US Forest Service in 2001 in the late 90s, and actually was very deeply involved in writing the Roadless Rule and coming up with this whole thing. So it's a very interesting conversation about how this all came to be, why it came to be, what it does for wildlife and hunters and anglers and. And what it would mean if this actually gets removed. Heather, you got a bunch of country in your neck of the woods, right, that's protected by this rule. It's a big deal in the Tongass. How's this going to affect you? The Roadless Rule? You like the Roadless Rule? We gotta. Well, I have a lot of opinions about this whole topic, more than. More time than we want to spend here talking about it, but, yeah, we got to protect our. Our land. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, check it out. 2001. It's in its infancy. I feel like most big conservation meaningful bills and acts are 50, 100 years old. Yep. I didn't know that was so modern. Yep, 20, 24 years old. Just like. Just like. I never thought about that. All right, Phil, believe it's time for a scoreboard update. Do you have one of those for me? It is indeed in last place. Spent too much time moseying, I suppose. Bear Newcombe has zero points. Coming up next is Heather Duville with one. Tony Peterson and Brent Reeves have two points. Spencer Newharth and Clay Newcomb have three. And tied up in first place are Giannis Putelis and Maggie Hudlow with four points. Go, Maggie. Could be your day, Mags. I've been waiting so right here. So yesterday we were walking out of the hotel, and Tony says to me, man, nobody understands the amount of micro stress that a game of trivia costs you. Especially. Especially if you start badly. Tony, how much micro stress are you experiencing right now? We talked about tarpon this morning, and I was like, there's no way Kenyon's gonna be on the nose. I thought for sure you would jump on the first thing that popped in my head. I was like, this is tarpon. I'm like, there's no way he's going to do that. So I out thought myself on that one. Good. Yeah, I was. I was trying to kind of throw a bone to folks like I've been talking about. No, I know. Yeah. Yeah. All right, well, hey, there's time. Question number six. Here's one you got to get, Tony. Oh. The topic is hunting. What was the name of the deer call introduced in the early 2000s that attempted to simulate the sound of deer feeding on hard mast to calm other nearby wildlife? What was the name? Oh, look, he did know it. Yeah. What was the name of the deer call from the early 2000s that simulates the sound of feeding deer supposed to calm wildlife around you? Did you own one of these? I never owned one of these, but we like to joke about it a lot. Right? Yeah. It's like the banjo minnow. Yes. Of whitetail. Yes. I did crush fish on the old banjo. Yeah, I did, too. Yeah. We used to occasionally, the way we hunted on public land when I was growing up, you would. The. The limiting factor was white. Okay. So you'd be hunting in a tree that was dropping white oak acorns, and there might not be a tree anywhere near. It'd be like. Because there was a lot of cutover pine plantations with these riparian zones that had oaks. Yeah. And so you could carry. Carry some acorns in your pocket and drop them out of the tree. Interesting idea. They thunk on the ground. You could hear them falling, you know? Yeah. I just heard another. A guy, some of the. Those on the Southern Outdoorsman podcast, and he was talking about doing that going up the tree with a couple pockets full and every now and then drop those deer listening. Oh, yeah. And they're like, akron's calling. So funny story from Bill Winkey. One of his little tips for when you are, like, in a bedding area, hunting deep in there, and it's like, late Morning, and for some reason, you want to get out, you don't want to stay in there all morning. Which I. In this case, like, if I was gonna hunt a bedding area, I'd be there all day. But he said if you want to get out, he would. He would collect acorns on the ground before it went up, and he'd carry a slingshot with him. And so when it was like 11 o' clock and he wanted to get out there, if he saw deer bedded somewhere nearby, he would shoot them with acorns with a slingshot until they'd run off, and then he'd walk out. Wow. So the category that this call is in, I hunted down in Texas one time, and one of the guides was telling me about an electronic call that you could buy, that you could hit a button and it sounded like a feeder going off. And he said. He said they drop guys off and pick them up at the end of a 3, 4 hour sitting. Their batteries would be dead because those dudes are just letting her rip. That's good. Oh, man. Okay, do we have. Is everybody good? Yep. All right, let's. Let's see the answers, please. Heather said rattle hands. Bear. Acorn muncher. Acorn muncher. Pro. Tony. That's the kind of answer that gets you the W there, Tony. Acorn cruncher. Spencer. Acorn cruncher. Maggie. Acorn. Acorn muncher. Yana said the muncher or the let's eat bleat? Great ideas. The correct answer is acorn cruncher or cruncher. I think. Wait, muncher. It's either cruncher or it's. It's popularly known as the acorn cruncher, but technically it was just called the cruncher, so either one's okay by me. This was so close for pulling an answer out of my ass. Yeah, I'm giving you. Give me brownie points for that. According to a 2009 press release on the outdoor wire, the Cruncher is a compact, compact handheld call that simulates the sound of deer feeding on acorns. This natural sound relaxes deer in the immediate vicinity of your stand. It can also call in other deer that think there's food available. It calms spook deer, stimulates deer to feed, and stops deer in a relaxed manner. Just like imitating a deer's grunt or recreating the rattling of antlers. The sound of a whitetail feeding on acorns can cause a positive reaction. So they say. But, you know, as we were talking earlier, it's widely panned It's a joke. A lot of people kind of look at it as. As being representative of, like, all the chachki gizmos that are marketed to hunters. No one does it like a whitetail hunter. Yes. I also love the. The ground grunter that would be in that category, which, if you're not familiar, you're in a tree stand 20ft in the air. The ground grunter is a long plastic tube that runs to the base of the ground that you blow into a grunt call in your tree stand. And that sound travels all the way down and then comes out at what would be eye level for a deer, because all the deer are onto you if they hear a grunt coming from 20ft in the air. So that's why you want your ground grunter to produce that more realistic noise. After that failed, I called it the urination station. That's right. Have you ever. Have you seen the. The buck clicker? It's. It's a. So it's. It's the. Basically, supposedly there's a call that a buck will make where he makes an individual note of a grunt. Right. Clicks like the. Like. Imagine sliding a guitar P kick down below E. It's a real super slow. It's a real deal. Yeah. There's a famous story in the nukem lore of the clicking buck that my dad had come in that he missed, and he said it was clicking. It says making individual grunts, but there's a call that's on a wheel that has a little. You, like, roll it like the wheel of fortune. That's cool. I love hunting in a place where you can see mature bucks enough to actually hear these types of, you know, vocalizations. Like, you just don't ever hear that in Michigan, but I've been in Iowa and heard so many cool things. Yeah. Kansas. Very fun. Yeah. All right. Question number seven. The topic is public lands. What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States? Very simple. What is the largest national wildlife refuge in the United States of America? It's a piece of public land. There's a bunch of critters out there. The first national wildlife refuge, technically, is created by Theodore Roosevelt. Back in the early 1900s, there was an island full of a bunch of birds down in Florida. And the. The feather hunters, the folks that were killing birds to make pretty hats for ladies in the day, were killing all the birds. And Mr. Teddy Roosevelt was not a fan of that. So he got a hold of his folks in the Department of the Interior and said, hey, is there anything keeping me away from declaring this as some kind of, like, refuge for wildlife. And his staff went and looked around, and they said, well, I don't think there is anything keeping you from doing it. Teddy replied, well, then, I so declare it. And that's how he created. I believe that was Pelican Island. I think was the first one. And many, many more have come since. I declare. Yeah, I so declare it. Mr. Teddy Roosevelt. That's a lot of power. Should let our current president know about that kind of power that you can yield when you're in the position. He might be. He might be interested in dropping a few more, wielding some of that. Yeah, well, no comment. They have the Antiquities act today that Teddy Roosevelt used as well to create our national monuments. I don't think that folks in power these days like our national monuments as much as Mr. Roosevelt did. Anyone still thinking? How you feeling about this one, Maggie? Oh, I'm sure not too confident. I like it. Do we have answers in. Everybody have an answer? Sweating. Losing in the second. All right, can we see those answ, Heather? Oh, you got it. What I. What is now called the Tonga. Oh, the Tongass National Forest. Bear says the Arctic Wildlife Refuge. Tony said the Tongass, which is the national forest. Spencer says the Kootenay. Maggie says the Arctic place is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Giannis says the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Brent says the ofa. And the correct answer is Clay Newcomb got it right. The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. So, Yanni. Yanni got it. Anwar, what helped me was Tony's tip about. Yes. That you were excited about it. Yeah. This is a. This is a picture. This is an image that I saw on Instagram of Mark in the Arctic. I actually didn't really realize it was in the United States. I was thinking about your recent. Yeah, I thought you were spending a lot of time writing your answer. The. The Arctic. The Arctic National Wildlife refuge is approximately 19.6 million acres. It's our second largest piece of public land. The largest is the npr, which is the Western Arctic, just over on the western side of Alaska. This is the very far northeast of Alaska. And as Clay said, me and Kale just had a trip up there a couple of weeks ago. That's how I knew it was going to be the Arctic. Yeah. Yeah, it was. It was a phenomenal experience. We talked about it at length in an episode of Mediator Radio Live a couple weeks ago and an episode of. I guess it was on Cal's pod. We did it. We did an episode of Kale's podcast, but an incredibly wild place. This encompasses a portion of the Brooks Range, which is the northernmost extension of the Rocky Mountains. On the southern side of the Brooks Range, you've got boreal forest and incredible, you know, kind of inland mountain landscapes. On the north slope of the Brooks Range, you have the coastal plain, which is like an arctic grassland. It's, it's sort of the equivalent of the African savannah, but our North American version teeming with hundreds of thousands of caribou, muskox, you know, at certain times of the year there are polar bears or grizzly bears, wolves, all sorts of critters. Life changing experience for me and Cal to get to see that place. Very, very worth learning about or maybe someday seeing. There's amazing care boat hunting, great river floats, terrific climbing, hiking, backpacking. If you can ever find a way to get there, highly recommend it. All right, Teddy, be proud. Yes, yes, he would. He's a big fan. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. 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Right at that time, I was thinking to myself, I need a good set of rod tubes to the top of my truck. So I got a sweet deal on some fly rod holders on top of my truck. For Mr. Spencer Newharth, it was the rooftops hand to the rod holders. One had to go, and I picked the rooftop. I feel like I. I taught this technique to Spencer once. Questions? Did he listen? I'm gonna read one more time. What's the name of the popular fly casting technique to increase the distance of your cast by utilizing two distinct poles? You know, when you talk about those micro stresses. Yeah. Are you there right now? This is the point where my brain shuts down and trivia. You know this. I know this. You know this. I do this, like, every time my cast say it. You're gonna be like, no, don't say it yet. Give me the. God. There's, like, a very huge clue in the. In the. In the. You know, I didn't know that I knew how to do this until I went fishing with Corey and then he commented on it, so. And you're just kind of doing it naturally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is something that really helps, like, when you're a trout angler. It's not. You don't use it as much when you're fishing small creeks or anything like that, but if you get into big water or especially if you start fishing lakes or saltwater situations, you really need distance. You need to be able to get that cast out there fast. And this is a way to kind of utilize the mechanics of your rod and momentum with your line to get that to really shoot out there. There's a lot of similarities between bow hunting and fly fishing, especially saltwater bow hunter or saltwater fly fishing. Yeah, there's a lot of cross over there. And so with this technique, you're like, you're shooting your line at a fish. Pretty cool. Do we have everybody in? Do you have this right, Clay? I hate this. I hate this game. Why do I keep playing this game? Maggie, this is in your wheelhouse. This is this is. I know this answer, but I don't have it. Let's see your answers. Heather has nothing. Bear says the double haul. Tony says double hall. Spencer says double hall. Maggie says. Clay says back cast. Yanni says double hall. And Brent says double haul. The room did pretty good. The correct answer is double haul. According to John Jurassic in Hatch magazine, the double haul is an advanced casting technique that increases the speed of the line during the cast. To achieve this, the line hand literally pulls or hauls on the fly line at select points in the casting stroke. Once during the back cast and once more during the forward cast. Halls themselves directly increase the speed of the line. This also causes the rod to bend more deeply and that deeper bend stores more energy in the rod. And when the road. When the rod unloads its energy, it transfers it to the line and gives you all that speed. So the double haul on the back cast, you pull your line with this left hand. You're pulling back line. And then as you forward cast, it's like back and another haul and it shoots that line out just like you're shooting a bow with an arrow. It really does help. It's simple. It's kind of a weird thing to try to figure out at first when somebody explains it to you, but it's like riding a bike when you kind of just get the rhythm in your head, it just becomes very natural and then you always do it, but it really helps. So if you are getting into fly fishing, check out the double haul. Orvis has a lot of really good casting videos. I'd recommend Orvis's YouTube channel for. For learning some basic fly fishing stuff. The double haul definitely worth knowing. Any questions? Otherwise, I've got a few more for you. You've answered everything. Phil, can we get another scoreboard update? Yes, Brent, did you get the double haul? Yep. Okay, I thought so. We gotta go to 10. Now in last place is Heather Duville with one point. Bear Newcombe got himself a couple of points. He's got two. Now after that is Brent Reeves with three. Then Spencer, Maggie and Claire all tied up with five points. And Giannis Boutellis is now has. Has now pulled ahead six points and is in first place. Got this. If I didn't have such a brain fart on that last question, Yanni, I'd be right there with you. Go, Maggie. All right, these last. I think we've got one that a lot of folks would get one is going to be a little bit tougher. Cool. All right. All right. Question number nine. The topic Is natural history. What state in the lower 48 has the most glaciers? What state in the lower 48 has the most glaciers? It is so much fun to sit in this seat and not have the micro stress that Tony talks about. I could really get used to this. Spencer, I'm happy to do this anytime. Okay. Start coming to town more. Yep, Count me in. I feel like Clay and Brent are feeling like they need to host one of these episodes. Oh, I cannot wait. You're welcome to anyone who wants to host. Mark's got to be here though. Revenge giving. Which catfish. Yeah, I'd be in trouble. How many of you have ever, like, touched a glacier? I think Claybo has, you know, in the lower 48, clay. No, not in the lower 40. It's harder to come by. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to get close to them. At least in the lower 40 glacier. I think me and you probably had. What I saw of your experience with the glacier was, I think, like mine. It was like seeing a living animal. Yeah, it struck me like that. I mean, when you see geographic features, there's a certain response that you have that's. That's really majestic and awesome. You know, like. But when I saw a glacier and I don't want to over exaggerate, but it was just the truth. It was. It almost like took my breath away. Yeah, it truly did. True. Large glacier. It sounds dramatic, like, whatever. But in the context of being in that kind of wilderness in that place, being where I'm from, I mean, it was just kind of like. I agree. Wow. And then. And we were a mile from it and it. It's huge. And we just keep going towards it, going towards it, going towards it. And what looks like a 50 foot tall glacier is like a 2. I don't know how tall. I still can't tell you how tall it was. And we were right underneath it. I don't know if it was 500ft or 300ft. Just like the scale was just like super hard to understand. Yeah, it was pretty spectacular. Like a dog on a leash who spots a black bear. Yeah, something like that. Does everybody have a. Have an answer? Yeah. All right, well, let's just get right to it. Heather says nothing. Bear says Montana. Tony says Montana. Spencer. Montana. Maggie. Montana. Clay. Montana. Yanni. Colorado. Brent. Idaho. Wow. Nobody got the right answer. California. Oregon. The correct answer is Washington. Alaska. Alaska has the most glaciers in North America. Alaska's got around a hundred thousand glaciers. But in the lower 48, Washington state is the winner. They've got around 3,000 of them and Washington's also home to the most glaciated single peak, which is Mount Rainier. Mount Rainier has 25 or 26 glaciers on that one single peak. Terrific place. Washington state's got a lot of really cool places to go and see these glaciers. According to the Washington Department of Natural Resources, glaciers form in areas where snow accumulation persists through time, allowing the snow to pile up and compact into ice. It typically takes hundreds of years for a glacier to fully form. Glaciers behave like rivers of ice, moving, growing, and shrinking over time. They are bounded by the valleys that they reside in, but they flow under the force of gravity, and they also advance or retreat depending upon the climate conditions. They're very cool to see in person. Like you said, Clay, I got to get up and close and personal with the Mendenhall Glacier in southeast Alaska. And yeah, crazy, crazy to see that in real life. It felt like I was stepping into, like, some natural history documentary. It was really cool. You can see how these glaciers are changing right now. There was a trail that I hiked, and all along this trail there were year markers that showed where the glacier used to be. And you could walk decade by decade and see how the glacier had changed. And just from 1996 to now. So, I mean, just a little bit less than 20 years, that glacier had receded. Somewhere around a mile, it had moved. So it used to be I was standing at the 1996 mile marker, and the glacier would have been right over my head. And then I'm staring at a mile away. Still huge, but different. So it was very eye opening to see. See that in real life. Yeah. Yeah. Quite the spectacle. Grasshopper glacier southeast of us. I'm going to hike to someday. There's grasshoppers frozen into the glacier, and they're like, you can't preserve them. People go up and try to pick them out, but they. They basically just melt as soon as they leave the glacier. Wow. Cool stuff. Cool stuff. All right, that was question number nine. So I believe we should have another scoreboard update and a correct answer review. Well, just for the scoreboard update, really quick before the review, Mark, that was a zero percenter. So we're right back where we were, but Giannis is still ahead by one point. So this comes down to this last question, but it is. I mean, there's a strong competition still because Spencer, Maggie and Clay all. Unless Giannis gets. Gets it. Yeah, you get it. You got this last question. E.O. wilson, my behind. Eldo Leopold was your first guest. I think, Bren, that was a decent guess. That was a good guess. Yeah. Until I threw in the initials. Yeah. Sorry. All right, so the correct answer. Review. Is that something you do fail or should I review it? Me. All right. The correct answer to question number one was B. Jimmer Nagamini from Menominee. Question number two. The answer was E. O. Wilson. Three was Tarpon. Four was Pasties. Five was the U.S. forest Service. Six was the Acorn Cruncher. Also would accept Cruncher. Seven was the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Eight was the Double Haul. Nine was Washington State. And that leaves us with question number 10, for all the marbles. Yanni, are you ready for this one? Bring it. All right. You. You could. You could get this one. Maybe you could win it. Question number 10. The topic is conservation. Name. Wrong one. Phil. Yeah. Name the author who wrote these famous words. We simply need that. We simply need that wild country available to us even if we'd never do more than drive to its edge and look in for it. Can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures. A part of the geography of hope. Name the famous author who wrote these famous words. This. I. I'm. Well, I mean, I bet this quote is in his book, Right? Yeah. Name the author who wrote these famous words. He also has written other books. Famous author. We simply need that wild country. How many has he published? More than one book? Many. Okay. Does he work here? Maybe I'm giving too many clues. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. I did. You have it? Yes. I got a good guess. We simply need that wild country available to us even if we never do more than drive to its edge and look in for it. Can be a means of reassuring ourselves of our sanity as creatures. A part of the geography of hope. What a hell of a good line. Brushed up on that wild country before I came. Would have helped you. The geography of hope. Isn't that a great way to refer to this? Isn't that great? Should have just scanned Kenyon's diary. Yeah, you would have won the damn thing if you did that. Come on, Tony. Unbelievable. I know. I know. Unbelievable. I know. Does anyone feel confident? Well, I did until you said he's published many books. Well. Right. He's. He's published more than one. What kind of books? Maybe ebooks. Maybe not. I'm going back to my. I thought I had a decent answer until I saw your reaction to Heather's question. Yeah. Does he work at the company? Let's go. Let's go. I can't tell you the answer that I don't think I got it. If it's the person I'm thinking of, I can hear them saying, all right, we probably need to wrap it up though, folks. Ready? Can we see some answers, please? Oh, Brett, Heather thought it was Steve Rinella. Bear thought Steve Ranella. Tony thought Elder Leopold. Spencer said Mark Kenyon. Maggie says Mark Kenyon. Clay says Elder Leopold. Yannis says Elder Leopold. Brent says Steve Rinella. That is a zero percenter. The correct answer is Wallace Stegner. Wallace Stegner has written over 60 fiction and nonfiction books and is known as the dean of Western writers. But I bet this quote is in your book. Meaning that Mark Kenyon, an author, wrote these famous words in his book. Is this quote in your book? This quote is the epigraph for my book. Okay, me and Maggie. On the second page of my book is this quote. I remember this. It informs the title of my book. So that while Mark Kenyon wrote these famous words. He wrote those words. I typed them into the, into the word document. That's true. I don't think I would have given. We could go to a three way tiebreaker, though, if we wanted to make it. Would make it more fun. Have you been listening to this argument? You guys didn't get it. I think Phil, Phil, what do you say? Do we give them that? I mean, if, if what's, what's the spirit of the game? If we're just having fun, I'd say absolutely. But if, if, if you're asking me to be a judge, I would say, no way. We're here to have fun. All right? Because then we could have a tiebreaker. Wrote these words. I mean, you're right, I did type them into the word document as the epigraph for the book. Well done, Maggie. All right, so we got Wallace Stegner. As I mentioned, he was the dean of Western writers. Wallace, yes. And you guys should know Wallace Stegner. He taught at the University of Utah, Wisconsin, Harvard and Stanford. He's recognized as not only writers coming out of the west, one of our, one of our greatest conservationists. That line that I read originally was a part of the Wilderness Letter. The Wilderness Letter was this letter that Stegner sent to a congressional commission back in the 60s as they were debating the Wilderness Act. Should we set aside wilderness in this nation? There was a big debate, discussion for years and years about it. Stegner was this famous professor and author and pulled into a lot of different administrations to advise on these things. He sent this long, lengthy, beautiful letter which ended up getting published publicly because it was so influential. And then eventually that wilderness letter, which this came from, was actually used as the introduction to the Wilderness Act. So all of our designated wilderness areas that we have left in this nation, they are there because of this act of Congress, the Wilderness Act. And if you go and read the text, it has that as well as a really beautiful pros here talking about these special places. I'm not going to read it all to you, but you should go check it out someday. Very good. In Mark Canyon. I just. I thought you just did. Thanks, Mark. Yeah, it was good. All right, so we've got a three way tie. That's fun. Hey, we could just do nine more questions if you want. I'm having a good time. We don't have time. We got Meat Eater radio live in a half hour. Hour. I'm enjoying myself, but okay, so tiebreaker. Question. Tiebreaker. Felt like a knife just jabbed me in the temple. Good. And this one's for Tony. So Tony, sorry, you're not in it. Well, everybody can play. Everyone will play along. Because if somebody gets it right on the nose, then there will be an extra $100 donation added to the end of the game. Phil, I sent you the text for the Tyber question. Yes, I have it. Okay. Yeah, let's see it. Tiebreaker. How many acres of lawn grass are in the United States of America? How many acres of lawn are in our country? Why is that a question for me? Because you like to talk about pollinators and I'm going to talk to you about pollinators. Jesus Christ. I think I speak for everyone in this room when I say I cannot wait for Spencer to be back in that seat. And I. I've been saying this a lot lately. This might be our longest episode of trivia so far. By the way, I think we're. We're definitely over an hour. Really? Oh, yeah. Wow. So I'm talking too much. Oh, well, no one gave me a time, man. I have no idea. How many acres. How many acres of lawn do we have in the US of A? Two hours later, whoever's closest within the three way tie takes the crown. You got it, Yanni. Yanni's got it. No, you know what, Yanni? In this room, Yanni probably listens to more episodes of my podcast than anybody else. That's right. More than Tony Peterson. More than Tony. For sure. More than Tony. And. And we had a podcast talking about this pretty recently, so I would. I didn't listen to that one. I listen to the ones that tell me how to kill big bucks. Fair enough. Now how to grow them. All right, how we doing? We good? I can't wrap my head around this, but sure, yeah. All right, let's see what you got, Heather. Oh, Nothing. Bears is 15. Tony, 40 point million. 40.1 million. I wish you were in the game, buddy. Spencer's 101 million. Maggie 1.5 million. Clay 400 million. Yanni 357 million, and Brent 100 million. The correct answer is approximately 40 million acres of loss. You were so close, dude. I've been in the tiebreaker almost every time. I've played trivia and always got my ass kicked. And then the one say this number to you recently? Yeah. So close. That is crazy. Mark says a lot of stuff. Yeah. So we've got about 40 million acres of lawn in this nation and Maggie won. Did she? 1.5.5. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're closer than the next. So Maggie won the game. Yes. Like, fluky thing. That's like, that's not even it. We're just here having fun. We're just here having. Take your win. I'll take a w. We're here to have a good time. Well done, Maggie. The reason this is on my mind is because, like I said, Yanni, we had this guy in the podcast named Doug Tallamy who has popularized an idea called the Homegrown national park idea, which was this idea that, hey, there's 40 million acres of lawn out there that's lousy for wildlife, is lousy for birds and bugs and pollinators and the whole nine yards. So what if we could try to teach people to turn their lawns into native vegetation for wildlife and bugs and bees? Well, I know Mark Kenyon. I have been busting my butt this year trying to grow some native grasses and plants on my dirt patch of a new lawn. And it is not easy, but we're getting some roots in. Good for you. Well, that's fitting that you won today. It's a three year process. Sleep, leap, no sleep, creep and leap. First year, give them time. The second year it creeps, the third year, it leaves. That's right. Yep. There you go. Well, I'll be dealing with dirty, muddy dog paws in my house for three years. It'll be worth it. Well, well done, Maggie. Who are you going to be donating your winnings to today? I gotta go with the Wyoming Wildlife Federation. Very good. Great organization. Very cool. I appreciate you guys playing along with me. Thanks, Mark. Thanks. Well done, everyone. Good job, Martin. Maggie, good times. Well done, everyone. Join us next week for more meat eater trivia, the only game show where conservation always wins. Yeah, Spencer from South Dakota, he's the host. Using those smooth mellow tones, he lays them questions down and he likes taking those two and three year old bucks. And he's an avid amateur rock hound. Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. 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