Ep. 781: A Year of Hunting and Fishing

Summary

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The MeatEater Podcast

Ep. 781: A Year of Hunting and Fishing
Release Date: October 20, 2025
Host: Steven Rinella
Guests: Brody Leven, Seth, Unidentified Crew

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Overview

This episode celebrates the premiere of a new season of the MeatEater TV show, taking listeners behind the scenes with stories from a year of hunting and fishing adventures. Host Steven Rinella and crew members engage in a lively trivia game about the show’s history, discuss memorable hunts, reflect on the evolution of their team, and preview upcoming episodes. The conversation is filled with signature MeatEater humor, insights about conservation, outdoor culture, and candid thoughts about hunting ethics and methods.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. MeatEater TV Milestones and Team Evolution

• The episode opens with reminiscing about the show’s beginnings and its growth:
  • Over 144 TV episodes since the 2012 debut.
  • Several crew members started as wilderness production assistants, evolving into key team roles.
  • Steven reflects on balancing family life with the demanding early schedule of filming 16 episodes a year.
    • "I started just counting nights away. I remember getting in, hitting 180. I got into November and hit 180. And I thought to myself, man, we were going a lot in December. So I quit counting... Never did count, quit counting and said, you know, you're right." (07:17)

2. MeatEater Trivia – The Show’s History & Surprises

• Trivia rounds test the team’s knowledge of their own series, sparking stories and laughs.

  Notable Questions & Answers:

  • Most Hunted Animal on MeatEater:
    • Everyone guessed turkey, but the correct answer was mule deer, featured in 18 episodes (10:52–10:58).
      • "The correct answer is mule deer." – Brody Leven (10:52)
      • Elk (13), Whitetail/Turkey (12 each), Black bear (14), Moose (10), Caribou (8)
      • Steven: "I find that people don't really want to watch people hunt turkey." (11:32)
  • Giannis's First Cameo:
    • Season 2, Episode 11 – non-speaking spot during a caribou hunt (15:32–15:49).
      • Steven tells a story of Giannis winning everyone over by cooking cheesecake with creek water.
      • "That won everybody... he made cheesecake with creek water. I'm like, I love that guy." (15:03)
  • Most Viewed Season 6 YouTube Episode:
    • British Columbia Grizzly Bear episode, with 2.9 million views. Surprising, as no bear is killed in the episode, but “grizzly” in the title draws viewers (19:49–20:22).
      • "If you want more views, you just got to put grizzly in the title." – Brody Leven (22:18)
  • Most Featured State (after Alaska):
    • Montana comes in behind Alaska, followed by Texas and Wisconsin (27:00).
      • "There have been 32 episodes filmed in Alaska. 23 in Montana and 7 in Texas." – Brody Leven (27:18)
  • Kevin Murphy's Homemade Wine:
    • Named ‘Old Squirrel Dog’ (29:05–30:16).
      • Label: “More bark, less bite”

3. Audience Engagement and Behind the Scenes

• The team reads a critical one-star Google review and responds thoughtfully, making a point about context-specific hunting techniques (31:34–32:56).
  • Steven: "When in Rome, do as the Romans... If you rattle in 32 bucks, it doesn't mean that it would work anywhere."
• They riff on how certain hunting approaches (like deer rattling in Texas) are effective in certain circumstances and not others.

4. Previewing Upcoming TV Show Content

• Louisiana Spearfishing:

  • Discussion of the ecosystem created around oil rigs in the Gulf and the political/legal debate about removing them, which would destroy a vibrant fishery (36:07–46:36).
    • "The rigs inadvertently created this world renowned fishery and now they're yanking that garbage out." – Steven (39:07)
    • Steven suggests consolidating decommissioned rigs to preserve marine habitats.
  • The socio-political complexity of rig removal: liability, navigation hazards, commercial interests, and loss of artificial reefs.
    • "They created a paradise and you’re destroying a paradise.” (45:32)
  • The life cycle of the amberjack worm, illustrating the wild complexity of nature in the region (52:14–53:56).

• Muzzleloader Hunting (Montana & Pennsylvania):

  • Reflects on differences in states' regulations regarding primitive weapons, and the challenges of heritage hunting—especially after animals have already endured months of pressure from other seasons (54:47–58:36).
    • "You’re hunting Daniel Boone equipment... it's like straight up Daniel Boone equipment." (55:26)
  • Plans for a new percussion cap muzzleloader, and thoughts on barrier to entry.

• Turkey Hunting with Luke Combs:

  • Teasing a new episode where they "reaped" a turkey (a controversial but legal method in Texas).
    • “The word police are going to get us. The Reaping police are going to get us.” (64:21–66:09)
    • Insight into safety, legality, and broader hunting ethics, including the “rattling police” and public criticism.

• Alaska Bear Hunt with Evan Felker:

  • Discussion of eating raw bear meat, the risks of trichinosis, and personal experience with the disease (69:58–76:06).
    • “That bear meat was pretty cooked… No one got sick… I can just tell now by looking at it.” (70:17)
    • Steven reflects that he’s never had trichinosis referenced by a doctor but is logged in the CDC due to the previous case.

• Tanzania Safari:

  • Three episodes from Tanzania, with thoughtful reflection about the disconnection some hunters feel toward African game.
    • Seth reveals he had no desire to go, and after reflecting, still has no urge to return even though he's glad he went (76:24–77:27).
    • Discussion of why some game feels “unrelatable” and the contrast between hunting in South America vs. guided hunts in Africa (78:23–80:46).
      • “I couldn't think of those things as game animals.” – Steven (77:55)
  • Shooting experiences, including using a .375 H&H and the memorable opportunity to fire a game scout’s AK-47 (81:24–83:08).
  • Adventures with Cape buffalo, warthogs, and the challenges of hunting in Africa.

5. Hunting Ethics, Language Change, and Word Policing

• Lively sidebars on how language changes affect hunters, referencing renaming birds and fish (like Goliath grouper, formerly Jewfish) and the peculiar world of “word police.”
  • “I’m done with getting word policed… I can't handle getting word police.” – Steven (60:35)
• Reflections on the importance of context in hunting and cultural trends around language in the outdoor world.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Team Growth and Show History:
  • “Yanni very quickly went from being a Wilderness production assistant who didn't realize he was being paid… It was like a week later. He was the producer.” – Steven (05:45)
• On Time Away for Hunting:
  • “I went back in time to January 1st of the year, and I started just counting nights away… and hit 180.” – Steven (06:48)
• On Wildlife Complexity:
  • “Think about this for a minute. Man will never, ever, ever come up with anything as interesting as that.” (54:16)
• On the Power of Titles and View Counts:
  • “If you want more views, you just got to put grizzly in the title.” – Brody (22:18)
• On the Evolution of Culture:
  • “The word police were just, like, on you all the time... then the vibe shift, the cultural vibe shift happened, and you got a break... Now we're getting word police from the other side.” – Steven (61:39)
• On Hunting Ethics and ‘Reaping’ Turkeys:
  • “I would not reap with my little kids. If one of them got grazed, I'm gonna be in a lot of trouble.” – Steven (66:55)
• Reluctance Toward African Game:
  • “If an Africa episode came on [TV], I would change the channel because it had nothing to do with… You had just no interest.” – Steven/Seth (77:44)
• On Giving Away Trophies:
  • “I gave away my red stag from New Zealand. I gave away my Himalayan tar rug all time. It's a terrible habit.” – Steven (90:07)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------| | Reminiscing over the TV show’s origins; trivia intro | 03:03–06:26 | | Surprising trivia: Most hunted animal | 09:40–11:02 | | Giannis’ first cameo story | 13:51–15:49 | | Most viewed Season 6 episode on YouTube | 17:41–20:22 | | State with most episodes filmed (after Alaska) | 25:49–27:21 | | One-star Google review & rattling in Texas | 31:19–32:56 | | Oil rigs and Louisiana spearfishing episode preview | 36:07–46:36 | | The life cycle of the amberjack worm | 52:14–53:56 | | Muzzleloader/heritage hunting | 54:47–58:36 | | Word policing, language battles, and episode naming | 60:29–63:27 | | Turkey hunting with Luke Combs; 'reaping' ethics | 64:04–68:39 | | Alaska/Evan Felker bear hunt & trichinosis experience | 69:58–76:06 | | Tanzania trilogy, ethics & disconnect with African game animals | 76:24–80:46 | | Shooting the .375 H&H and the game scout’s AK-47 | 81:24–83:08 | | Trophy logistics and giving away big game hides | 89:02–91:00 | | Where and when to watch new season | 91:00–91:47 |

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Final Notes

The episode is packed with stories, behind-the-scenes insight, and banter that both celebrates the show’s history and looks ahead to exciting new content. For super fans, this is a treasure trove of lore, camaraderie, and unfiltered hunting talk. The blend of insider trivia, ethical debates, and naturalist curiosity makes it a quintessential MeatEater episode.

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Where to Watch:
Season 13 of MeatEater is available now on YouTube, Outdoor Channel, and Sportsman’s Channel.

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Transcript

[Steven Rinella]

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[Brody Leven]

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[Steven Rinella]

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[Brody Leven]

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[Steven Rinella]

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[Brody Leven]

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[Steven Rinella]

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[Brody Leven]

144 episodes.

[Steven Rinella]

I probably weren't even Born yet?

[Seth]

I was born.

[Steven Rinella]

And we hit 100 episodes.

[Seth]

How old were you?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

What was the first season? Like 11? 2011 maybe.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know. I remember we were somewhere and someone said, dude, that was. We just finished. I think we were in Alaska or something. And someone said, we just finished our 100th episode. And what's it at now?

[Brody Leven]

144. Season one was 2012.

[Steven Rinella]

Golly.

[Seth]

12 I started. My first season was season eight.

[Steven Rinella]

I know that when we started, I had one kid and he was real little. Now he's bigger than me, and I got three.

[Seth]

Wow.

[Steven Rinella]

Put that in your trivia question. How many kids do you have? Steve, what we're going to do to kick things off is I asked Spencer because, like, I don't know how many we made. I asked Spencer to take his trivia mind and pull up a handful of trivia questions about sort of the scope and breadth of the show.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

That we've been involved in.

[Brody Leven]

We'll learn something about.

[Steven Rinella]

Seth's worked on many, many. How many episodes have you worked on?

[Seth]

I don't know. Like I said, I started the second episode of season eight, so I missed that Dall sheep hunt and started at Washington Elk. And then they've been. You were there, huh? I've been on every episode except, like, I think two. I think two I missed.

[Brody Leven]

Season eight debuted October 2019.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, look at that.

[Seth]

That's when it debuted. But we. Yeah, I started.

[Steven Rinella]

You were filming in 2018. Yeah. That's the thing I find all the time is I can't remember who was where for what. Like, for a long time, Yanni was always produced. Yanni produced. Yanni produced 50 of them or something. And so us being, like, nuts on a dog, you know, anything that happened, I'd be like, I'd assume Yanni had been there.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

But then something had happened. Yanni. Like, I wasn't there because I just knew that everything that ever happened to me, he was standing there.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

It's been a while since he's been your. Your sidekick.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, I know. So now anything that happened me, I just assumed Seth was there because of that pattern of training.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

It's been going on so long, he doesn't even remember I worked on the film.

[Steven Rinella]

No, I remember Brody worked on the crew. Yeah, Brody's crew. Brody was a wilderness production assistant, which is the thing we trademarked.

[Brody Leven]

He was in front of the camera.

[Steven Rinella]

He's been in front of the camera.

[Seth]

That's how a lot of people get their start. So Yanni got to start Yanni, Brody, Dirt. Dirt, Me and Chester. And now Chili's doing some of that, too.

[Steven Rinella]

All started out as Wilderness production assistants. Yanni very quickly went from being a Wilderness production assistant who didn't realize he was being paid. I always like to tell that story. He thought he was there hanging out for fun, and then someone handed him his, like, W9 or whatever. And he was confused because he thought. He thought he was hanging out. And it was like a week later. He was like, the producer of the show. What do you call that within an organization where there's, like, a quick trajectory in those days because no one worked here. Yeah. And then he went on to do a million of them. Hit me with a question.

[Brody Leven]

Question one. We've got five of these questions on a tiebreaker.

[Seth]

We're doing trivia now.

[Brody Leven]

We're doing trivia.

[Steven Rinella]

No, we're doing trivia. And it's about the Breath Meat Eater series. Because we're launching. Right now, we're launching six new episodes. We're going to touch on what those episodes are in a minute, but we're launching six new episodes of Meat Eater. We used to do in the old days, the way we used to rack up a lot of numbers is when we first started doing the show, we would make 16 in a year.

[Seth]

That's a lot.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. I would be gone more than I would be away from my family more than some years. I'd be away from my family more than half of the nights. One time I got in a fight with my wife about how much I'm gone, and I'm like, probably a third of the time. She says, half the time I'm like, that can't be true. And I went back in, you know, like Google calendars, how you can go back in time. So I went back in time to January 1st of the year, and I started just counting nights away. And I remember getting in, hitting 180. I got into November and hit 180. And I thought to myself, man, we were going a lot in December. So I quit counting. Never did count, quit counting and said, you know, you're right. But that's why it's so much more civil to make just a half dozen in a year. 16 in a year is a lot.

[Brody Leven]

Family, man, now.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When they're little babies, it feels different. Like you kind of need to be there, but when they get older, you just feel a little. It's just a lot more going on, man. You need to do a lot more consulting, more than just diaper changing. You know what I'm saying? You probably feel.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah, for sure.

[Steven Rinella]

I mean, when they're super little babies, it's like, a lot of chores.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Plus, you just, like, want to be around with them, right?

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, like, I would still be upset. Like, I still cry and shit going out of town, but, like, now you kind of. You just got to be there to console.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah, but didn't you get in trouble for, like, getting upset when you were leaving?

[Steven Rinella]

Yep. I got yelled at by my wife for getting upset leaving. She said, you're going to give these kids, like, a mental problem acting like that. And then. And she came up with this rule that. And it was a great rule. She came up with a rule, if it's not going to be a big deal when you go away, it's not going to be a big deal when you get home. Meaning there's no, like, banners. And to say welcome home. It's like, you get in and you got to merge onto the lane. Like, what's going on? Put the duvet cover on, bring this kid there, clean this, fix that. There's no, like, no, it's not like, oh, Daddy's home. One day, she baited me, and she said. She said she was. I came home and I was kind of tired and in a bad mood, and she's like, if you need to go spend a night in a hotel just to readjust and then come home, then that's what you ought to do. And I'm like, really? I'll come home and check into a hotel and be like, hey, baby. Just letting you know I'm in town. Just gonna kick it, watch some movies, like, maybe get a beer in my buddies and stuff, and I'll be home tomorrow. Cool.

[Seth]

That'd be the wrong call.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, I'll be ready. Really? This is an actual. This is an actual suggestion.

[Brody Leven]

Come on.

[Steven Rinella]

As a test. To which I said, oh, sweetheart, I would never do that.

[Brody Leven]

Y.

[Steven Rinella]

Held it together, huh? Made it. Hit me.

[Brody Leven]

13 seasons.

[Steven Rinella]

Hit me.

[Brody Leven]

Question one. Which of these critters has been hunted the most on Meat Eater? Elk. Oh, Whitetail, turkey, mule deer.

[Steven Rinella]

I know that.

[Brody Leven]

Five questions, all about Meat Eater. TV show.

[Steven Rinella]

140 episodes.

[Brody Leven]

144.

[Steven Rinella]

144. Which was hunted most?

[Brody Leven]

Which of these critters has been hunted the most on Meat Eater? Elk. Whitetail, turkey. Mule deer. Steve, very confident.

[Steven Rinella]

Let me tell you a quick story while these guys think.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Seth]

I don't do a thing.

[Steven Rinella]

When we started the show, there was a guy that we used, and he was Trying to sell some. We had. We used to get, like, advertisement space, and he. He was trying to sell some advertisement space, and he was adamant. He said, you can't do a hunting show that's not 90% whitetail. It won't work.

[Brody Leven]

You showed him.

[Steven Rinella]

Showed him again.

[Brody Leven]

Which critter has been hunted the most? Elk, whitetail, turkey, mule deer.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

That's a little tip. Steve gave a little tip there.

[Brody Leven]

He did. You boys already have your answers. Go ahead and reveal your answers. Seth. Turkey. Steve. Turkey. Brody. Turkey.

[Steven Rinella]

I wrote Turks.

[Brody Leven]

The correct answer is mule deer.

[Steven Rinella]

What?

[Brody Leven]

Really? Mule deer? Mule deer have the most haunted animal on Meat Eater, being featured on 18 episodes.

[Steven Rinella]

Are you serious?

[Brody Leven]

That's followed by elk at 13, turkey and white tail at 12. Black bears have been hunted on 14 episodes. Moose on 10, caribou on eight, blacktail on seven, and coos deer on five. So mule deer, 18, turkey and whitetail, 12.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

So that's, like, more than one mule. Like, averaging more than one mule deer hunt a season.

[Seth]

That had that. A lot of that had to have been early.

[Brody Leven]

I. I think you've got multiple, like, part one and part two.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, you're right. Yep. Well, that a little bit surprised me, and I feel better because I find that people don't really want to watch people hunt turkey.

[Brody Leven]

Ah, okay.

[Steven Rinella]

So I feel better that we haven't made so many turkey episodes.

[Brody Leven]

Fourth place. Turkeys. Four.

[Steven Rinella]

No. People like hunting turkeys, but they don't want to watch you hunt turkeys.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I don't know.

[Seth]

I like watching people.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, they watch people hunt turkeys. Yeah.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

When that thing comes in, I. I.

[Steven Rinella]

Like to watch people get charged by leopards.

[Seth]

I think we should just.

[Steven Rinella]

Well, that's what I'd watch.

[Seth]

If someone was like, seth, what. What should we do for a season of Mediator? I was like, let's just do all turkey hunting.

[Steven Rinella]

All Turks all the time.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Brody Leven]

Spring season.

[Steven Rinella]

Me and Seth are gonna film a turkey hunt this spring at a secret spot.

[Brody Leven]

How? You can't even say. The state.

[Steven Rinella]

Sure starts with the O and a K. Okay.

[Brody Leven]

That'll be fun.

[Seth]

If I get one there, it'll complete my slam.

[Brody Leven]

Oh, that'll be fun.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah.

[Brody Leven]

So it's a Rio you're looking for.

[Steven Rinella]

It's the. Okay corral.

[Brody Leven]

Okay. All right. You guys are gonna have to keep your own scores here. We don't have a field.

[Steven Rinella]

We got to sort that out. Seth, we got to pick some dates and whatnot, man.

[Brody Leven]

Zeros across.

[Steven Rinella]

Doesn't. You know what doesn't get hunted?

[Brody Leven]

Oh, wow.

[Seth]

Marker.

[Steven Rinella]

Spencer, you know how that conversation goes. Does it get hunted?

[Brody Leven]

Maybe there's a reason one of my.

[Steven Rinella]

Favorite doesn't get hunted stories is we're filming, but we go down to the. We're hunting this ranch in Sonora, and. And they're like, oh, yeah, no one hunts this ranch. No one hunts this ranch. The first deer we kill has a bullet lodged in his knee. Oh, it's like someone's on trying to hunt.

[Brody Leven]

Question 2. When did Giannis make his first cameo on Meat Eater?

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, I know that.

[Brody Leven]

Season one, season two, season three, or season four?

[Seth]

I can tell you the episode.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. I just tell you the episode.

[Brody Leven]

Looking for the season. When did Giannis make his first cameo on Meat Eater? Season one, season two, season three, or season four? Steve and Seth know it down to the episode.

[Seth]

Maybe I put a very important quote.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Seth]

From that episode.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

But I don't.

[Seth]

I honestly don't know the number.

[Steven Rinella]

It was.

[Brody Leven]

Steve is writing down the episode just.

[Steven Rinella]

For the hell of it.

[Brody Leven]

Okay, boys, ready?

[Steven Rinella]

So can I tell the story when. How everybody fell in love with Yanni?

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

So we were. We were filming in Alaska. I had drawn a. I had drawn, like, a. Like most of Alaska with doll sheep. Most of Alaska's over the counter. Like, doll sheep's typically over the counter, but Alaska has some limited draw units for doll sheep. And I drew a limited draw unit. And my brother Danny lives in Alaska, so I don't need. I'm outside of the guide requirement. I don't need to have a guide.

[Seth]

Right.

[Steven Rinella]

And. And I drew a limited draw unit, and we were trying to find. We were, like, looking for a wpa, someone to just carry gear and backpack hunt with us. And Yanni's wife is a botanist, and she was doing work up in Fairbanks. And I didn't really know him. Not that I didn't. I didn't know him at all. But my wife knew him because they grew up together. So I got connected with Yanni, and we're like, hey, we're gonna go do X, Y and Z. Do you want to come? He thinking he's just going to hang, but we did that, and then we went do another thing. And he made everybody with creek water. He made cheesecake.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Oh, Pillsbury cheesecake.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know how he did it. And that won everybody get everyone sick. Nope. He, like, had some little backcountry cheesecake preparation, and I'm like, I love that guy.

[Brody Leven]

Wow.

[Steven Rinella]

And so we just started hiring him all the time, and that was when he had his cameo.

[Brody Leven]

Good addition to his resume. You always ready? Yeah. Reveal your answers. We have Seth saying season four Smell me now lady. Steve says two Brooks Range caribou and Brody says two. What's that say?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Caribou. Caribou.

[Brody Leven]

The correct answer is season two. Steve and Brody got that right. Giannis shows up for three seconds on season two episode 11. He spots a grizzly wandering around camp while Steve and Tim Ferriss are glassing caribou. Giannis doesn't even get a speaking part in the show. Steve simply refers to him as quote, one of our camp cameramanianis. Steve, what else do you remember about that hunt?

[Steven Rinella]

We had a lot of problems with bears. Not problems, but in that area. This is the western Brooks Range. It, it's very hard and very expensive to get there. And so like you, you're encountering a lot of animals that, that just have never seen a person. Like, like it's, it's very reasonable that when you see caribou they've never, they don't have any idea what you are. And the grizzlies have very low. Like, like you could be a four or five year old grizzly, whatever. And you've never seen a person 100. So when they see something moving, they just, they're going because they're gonna go and they're like I don't know, it's probably something to eat, you know what I mean? So they're like, like bears are just drawn to stuff. So when they're coming through and they see any kind of activity heading over. So we had a number little bear, we were shooting shotguns try to get barrier away from our meat stash and just they just. Because in those areas they're just like, they don't have any fear.

[Brody Leven]

It's an action packed episode. I think you guys killed two caribou and you run off two grizzlies.

[Steven Rinella]

Yep.

[Brody Leven]

In the same episode.

[Steven Rinella]

Yep. That's a cool area. I haven't been back there in a long time and that area got that. That area later got close to non to non federal subsistence hunting.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Is that the porcupine herd or is that the.

[Steven Rinella]

No, no. Porcupine herds. And porcupine herds.

[Brody Leven]

Open again now or not?

[Steven Rinella]

I'm not sure where it sits right now, to be honest with you. I should know that I think you.

[Brody Leven]

Guys caught some grayling in that episode too. They look very eager to eat your.

[Steven Rinella]

Flies and then hunted moose up in that region. Yeah.

[Brody Leven]

Yanni's first appearance against season two episode of 11.

[Steven Rinella]

All right, Rip Yanni, question three.

[Brody Leven]

Which episode from season six has the most views on YouTube? Is it Idaho mule deer with Cal, Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer Or British Columbia grizzly bear? Which episode from season six has the most views on YouTube? Idaho mule deer with California Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer or British Columbia grizzly bear.

[Steven Rinella]

Dirt. That was dirts. Well, I'm giving the answer away.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

I think I know the answer.

[Brody Leven]

All right.

[Steven Rinella]

I'll wait till I know. This will be like, you know, you give like a tidbit.

[Brody Leven]

I do.

[Steven Rinella]

If I get it right or wrong, this will be the tidbit.

[Brody Leven]

Which episode from season six has the most views? Idaho mule deer with Cal. Wyoming beaver butchering a whole deer. British Columbia grizzly bear.

[Steven Rinella]

This bench needs a fresh coat of paint.

[Brody Leven]

It needs a lot of things.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You notice that no people pay for him to look like that.

[Steven Rinella]

It's like, you know, there's this guy, and I think he might be here in this state. This is the most. The craziest thing I've ever. The most corrupt. Like there's a guy that goes around buying gloves. Oh, and sells. Because let's say you're some. Whatever. He buys gloves and sells what he calls ranch worn gloves. So that if you're some candy ass, you can get gloves that made that look like you've worked a little bit.

[Brody Leven]

Good market for them here.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, yeah.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

That's like buying a cowboy hat has like a sweatband already.

[Seth]

It's kind of sad to know that people actually buy that stuff.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, this would be a good business. You'd like, get some kids. You get some ranch kids and be like, listen, dude, I want you to wear each of these hats for one week. Just sweat it up, sweat it up. And then switch to the next. Because I sell them and I want to have hats that look like ranch kids. Warm be good little side business for ranch kids.

[Brody Leven]

All right, reveal your answers. We have Seth saying Idaho mule deer with Cal. Steve with the same answer. Brody says, butchering a whole deer. Nobody got it.

[Steven Rinella]

That was in there.

[Brody Leven]

Butchering a whole deer. Nobody got it, though. The correct answer is British Columbia grizzly bear.

[Seth]

Really?

[Brody Leven]

Oh. The British Columbia grizzly. Haunted. 0.9 million views. Butchering a whole deer has 2.3 million. Idaho muleys with Cal has 1.8 million. And Wyoming beaver is 1.1 million. That grizzly hunt is one of meat eater's most viewed videos despite there being no grizzly killed. Steve, what do you remember about that episode?

[Steven Rinella]

I remember we went back, we tried.

[Brody Leven]

It again that same year.

[Steven Rinella]

No, the Next year, next two years we went back just. I remember, I can't remember. We saw like 13 or 14 grizzly bears. Oh, we were watching them eating ground squirrels. It was amazing. At one point, I think it was that trip. Yeah, that trip. One point. Austin. There's a. We were in a mountain. We were in the over the counter mountain goat unit and there's a mountain goat standing there. But we didn't have tag. Oh, next year brought a mountain goat tag and couldn't find the mountain goat. We had a hell of a time.

[Brody Leven]

Why didn't one of grizzly's running around.

[Steven Rinella]

All over the place?

[Brody Leven]

Why didn't one of those 13 grizzlies die?

[Steven Rinella]

Because we were trying to find a big smoke poker.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

You had opportunities, lots of opportunities. And in fact the second time we went up, I even later sent the video to a lot of people. The second time you went up, when we got in that area immediately, here comes a board. Like what I view to be not. Not a big boar, but I view to be like a boar. Like a male grizzly rolling right through two, 300 yards away. But no, we hit it twice hard. And then you couldn't hunt that unit anymore for grizzlies.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Well, you can't hunt any of that.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Because BC closed its grizzly hunt which everybody was having a shit fit about. I had a shit fit about it, but we hit it two years in a row. Cal was guiding for that guy. So Cal was like my guide which is totally fun.

[Brody Leven]

Could you kill a sow on that hunt or not?

[Steven Rinella]

They don't like it. Oh you can, but it messes up. It messed up the quota system.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Seth]

Is that when you got charged?

[Steven Rinella]

We got charged.

[Seth]

Then Cal said smell.

[Steven Rinella]

We got charged right off the bat. And then we had another bear. We were shooting rocks in front of it and it was coming to look at what we were shooting. Like you'd shoot. He was coming toward us. He'd shoot a rock and he'd walk over to see what the rock was.

[Brody Leven]

How exposed were those bears to humans?

[Steven Rinella]

Pretty exposed.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

You know, pretty exposed.

[Brody Leven]

I think that the lesson there is if you want more views, you just got to put grizzly in the title.

[Steven Rinella]

Sure.

[Brody Leven]

Of the show.

[Steven Rinella]

No matter what happens, people want that. Yep. Illinois grizzlies.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

It's like whitetails. You just do a season of nothing but grizzlies.

[Steven Rinella]

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[Brody Leven]

After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Is it Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan? After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

What was number one?

[Brody Leven]

Alaska is number one. We're looking for number two. Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, or Michigan? This is question four. Right now. Steve and Brody both have a point. Seth has zero.

[Steven Rinella]

God, he's getting beat. No matter what he does, he gets beat.

[Seth]

A lot of these questions are just pre my time.

[Steven Rinella]

That's true. How would you know? He was still riding around in his pappy's undies back then, man.

[Brody Leven]

Oh. After Alaska, which say it has the most has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater. Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan. Seth, are you ready?

[Steven Rinella]

It says, you see where I hit myself with the chainsaw? That's close call right there.

[Seth]

Jesus, man.

[Steven Rinella]

You believe that?

[Seth]

That's. That could have been bad.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, real bad.

[Brody Leven]

After Alaska, which state has been the setting for the most episodes of Meat Eater? Texas, Wisconsin, Montana, Michigan. Reveal your answers. We have set saying Montana. Steve. Montana. Brody. Montana. You guys got it? It's Montana. There have been 32 episodes filmed in Alaska.

[Steven Rinella]

Wow.

[Brody Leven]

23 in Montana and seven in Texas. That's followed by New Mexico, Wisconsin, Wyoming, Colorado, Hawaii, and Idaho. That means 22 of meteor episodes have been filmed in Alaska, Alaska, Montana, Texas. Those are your top three across North America. The whole continent you got there.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

That makes sense. It's your favorite place to hunt, probably.

[Steven Rinella]

I like going there.

[Seth]

You go for big states.

[Steven Rinella]

It's true.

[Brody Leven]

All right, we are going into questions.

[Steven Rinella]

Do you apply in California for tags?

[Seth]

Me? No.

[Steven Rinella]

There's one like mule deer tag you cannot draw. That I apply for in California.

[Brody Leven]

Hmm.

[Steven Rinella]

Can't be drawn.

[Brody Leven]

I did it.

[Seth]

I don't even think of California when I don't even the hunting.

[Steven Rinella]

But I'm gonna when I draw that mule deer tag.

[Brody Leven]

I just spent a week in In Northern California, Redwoods and Lassen volcanic. And that got me interested in hunting California specifically. Driving through wine country, I desperately now would like to find a permission to hunt a vineyard and then go kill a blacktail there.

[Steven Rinella]

I can help with your problems.

[Seth]

Is there turkeys there?

[Brody Leven]

Wow.

[Steven Rinella]

What do you want to hunt there?

[Brody Leven]

Anything. Anything.

[Steven Rinella]

How can you come talk to me about this?

[Brody Leven]

Because I just had this, like, epiphany a week ago.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, yeah, come talk to me.

[Brody Leven]

It's now on my radar and it never has. I'm going to talk to you. Question five. Steve and Brody have two points. Seth has one. This is the final question.

[Seth]

No, I think I have two and they have three.

[Brody Leven]

Okay. Either way, right? You boys have a one point lead on Seth. Question five. What is the name of Kevin Murphy's homemade wine that he served Steve on Season 6, Episode 9? Is it old Squirrel Dog? Oh, Shotgun Shine, Acorn Reserve, or vintage venison?

[Steven Rinella]

What is the name? I'm trying to get into Kevin Murphy's head.

[Brody Leven]

What is the name of Kevin Murphy's homemade wine that he served Steve on season six, episode nine? Old Squirrel Dog, Shotgun Shine, Acorn Reserve, or vintage Venison?

[Steven Rinella]

Dude, I don't. I don't think I knew this the moment after he said.

[Brody Leven]

It. Kevin has a very nice duct tape label on this bottle. Now, when was this from season six, episode nine. So that would have been what, like 2016, 2015? Somewhere in there. Old Squirrel Dog, Shotgun Shine, Acorn Reserve, vintage venison. Boys, ready? Reveal your answers. We have Seth saying, Shotgun Shine, Steve, Old Squirrel Dog.

[Steven Rinella]

Me and Brody did opposites. Brody, I scratched out Shotgun Shine to put Old Squirrel Dog. He scratched out Old Squirrel Dog to put Shotgun Shine.

[Brody Leven]

So we have Shotgun Shine, Old Squirrel Dog, and vintage Shotgun Shot. The correct answer is Old Squirrel Dog. Steve got it right. He knows the most about his own TV show.

[Steven Rinella]

Who'd have thought?

[Brody Leven]

Kevin Murphy cooks up squirrel biscuits and gravy for Steve and then busts out a bottle of Old squirrel dog number nine. He declares that this batch had 10 bottles and that it's pretty dang sweet. The wine's label is made of duct tape and says, quote, more bark, less bite, and handcrafted. Go Kevin Murphy's wine. We have a tiebreaker. I'm not going to use this. We get. We could do it anyway. How many stars does meater have from 215 Google reviews? Meat Eater, the TV show.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

What's that?

[Seth]

Out of five?

[Brody Leven]

Out of five? Out of 5. And it's to a decimal point. So It's Plank. It's a number point number. How many stars does Meat eater have from 215 Google reviews? This is Meat Eater, the TV show.

[Steven Rinella]

Where do you go to do that at one time?

[Brody Leven]

Google. You type in Meat Eater. TV show review. It's the first thing they show you. People with their full ass names on there, leaving Google reviews. So they love or or hate what you got going on. So how many stars? Is everybody ready?

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Brody Leven]

Reveal your answer. Seth, 4.8. Steve, 3.8. Brody, 4.6. Brody's the closest. It's 4.4. 4.4. 215 Google reviews. Here's a one star Google review.

[Steven Rinella]

Please.

[Brody Leven]

This guy is not a hunter whatsoever. His whitetail hunting in Texas is a joke. He's not hunting wild deer. They're basically livestock. They've never seen a hunter. I literally almost ripped my hair out watching him rattle as much as he did. Any wild deer in that area with that much rattling would be gone. And the decoy he used was actually hilarious. Again. Any wild deer would bolt at the first glance at that thing. The icing on the cake was when he was rattling at a buck that started running away, spooked, and he continued to rattle at it. This dude does not, should not have a hunting show. It's trash.

[Steven Rinella]

That review rattled in 32 bucks.

[Seth]

Say, did he say anything about the. The other guy that was on that episode?

[Brody Leven]

That was Mark Kenyon who left that review? No, it was Seymour Music. Seymour Music gave you a one star review.

[Steven Rinella]

You know what I would say to Seymour? Tell him we rattled in 32 bucks. I think that when in Rome, do as the Romans. Yeah, like if you're. And like first off, Wilder, I mean, that's just like they are wild deer operation. It's. There's no fence, so there's that. But if you rattle in 32 bucks, it doesn't mean that it would work anywhere. Like, there's places where you can use. You should use hundreds of decoys for ducks and there's places where you should use one. You just do what works where you're at.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah, there's like a super high buck to dough ratio, which is why it works there, right?

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Like if I was hunting in where I grew up in Michig, Michigan, I wouldn't rattle at all.

[Seth]

I mean, tech. If old Seymour here knew anything about anything he knows. Like Texas is the number one state for rattling bucks.

[Brody Leven]

There you go.

[Seth]

Like when I grew up hunting or watching outdoor television and whitetail shows, like Texas was the place where you Went to rattle.

[Steven Rinella]

You know, his name ought to be they. His. Seymour. Should be his middle name. Needs to. Should be his first name. His last name should be deer.

[Seth]

It's funny.

[Brody Leven]

Passionate. He was passionate. He had to go all the way to Google and then write out paragraphs.

[Seth]

It's always.

[Steven Rinella]

It blows my mind. Gotten his craw. Didn't.

[Seth]

When people write reviews about. They have no clue. Like, he has no clue about the. What actually happens there or what actually happened or the. The place we were hunting. Just makes him look like an idiot. Anyway, go ahead.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm gonna take him hunting.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Rattle one in for him.

[Brody Leven]

Damn. I need to start. I need to be mean to you, then.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Imagine taking old Seymour down there to the turia and rattling bucks in. You think he'd be like, this is stupid.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Well, I'd sit him down, be like, oh, remember, don't rattle.

[Brody Leven]

Where does that rank among your funnest whitetail hunts?

[Steven Rinella]

It's just different kind of fun, right? It's different kind of fun. I love it.

[Brody Leven]

It's great. Top three whitetail experiences.

[Steven Rinella]

It's. It's too different.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

It's too different.

[Brody Leven]

I'll ask Seth then.

[Steven Rinella]

One of my favorite whitetail. Like, one of my favorite whitetail experiences of all time was rattling. But it was just rattling. Like, basically in kind of the weirdest place you'd ever think to hunt.

[Brody Leven]

Oh.

[Steven Rinella]

Local. With my little kid. And we just, like, sat down, and we were to say, give it a shot. And all of a sudden, like, bam, here comes a buck. That was cool.

[Brody Leven]

And it worked.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, and it worked. We killed like a. A forky. So it's. It just depends too much that. That is amazing. It's amazing. It's truly cool, because I hadn't experienced anything like that before. I've never been somewhere where there's that many deer running around, you know?

[Brody Leven]

Seth, was that, like, one of the best whitetail experiences you've had?

[Seth]

Oh, yeah. And the thing about that place is if you go out in the bush and just sit there quietly, you will hear bucks rattle.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, that's true.

[Seth]

Like, we heard bucks rattling.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Fighting.

[Brody Leven]

That's. That's a good indicator that they're going to be receptive.

[Seth]

Yeah. Seymour, shut up.

[Brody Leven]

I think you can respond to Google reviews, Seth, so I'll point you in the right direction.

[Steven Rinella]

That'd be a great time.

[Brody Leven]

Steve's the winner.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I think we should do more of this, like, reading bad reviews stuff.

[Brody Leven]

There's about 20 of them for.

[Steven Rinella]

For the media, none from animal rights people.

[Brody Leven]

There's a handful of those. Those are less interesting, though.

[Steven Rinella]

Sure.

[Brody Leven]

They just call you bad names and say you need to find something else.

[Steven Rinella]

To eat, so that's fair.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

So I want to tuck in and give a little, little preview review of what all shows we got coming out with. With season 13 and a little bit of extra info on them. So one of the ones we got is Louisiana spear fishing, which. That is something I like a bunch. That's something I like a bunch. What I like about it is, like I say in the thing, man, it's just like you've never seen marine life in pot, like in pounds, like you do around the oil rigs. Which is the, the craziest part about it is that you're watching, like, I didn't even know this till now. One of the rigs, like one of these oil rigs that we spearfish in this episode. So when you watch the episode Louisiana Spearfishing, one of the rigs we visit is not there anymore. Like, they went into the Gulf and built oil rigs long ago. They started oil exploration there. And these oil rigs have created these vert, like vertically oriented reefs.

[Brody Leven]

I don't really understand how they build these.

[Steven Rinella]

Like the, the engineering.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah, just like, I don't know that I need to either, but I, I look at that every time and I'm. It's just fascinating.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, the ones they, they got ones now that are GPS guided and the float, you know. But yeah, these are, these are rigs that are. I mean, you could. You could be at a rig in 30ft of water. You could be at a rig and 300ft of water anchored to the ground, big concrete pads. Right. So that they're. They're yanking them out. And so over the years, we've been going down there to spearfish on the oil rigs. And I keep getting notes from my buddies down there about like, that rig we went to is gone. That rig we went to is gone. That rig we went to is gone. And it's even been like a somewhat political thing about the rigs. Like they had this program, rigs to reef. There's a federal program. There's a federal program called Idle Iron. Idle Iron was meant to like, be pulling all these rigs out. Like, as the, as the rigs are done being used and all the structures done being used, people want to get rid of them because they think it's a navigation hazard and because shrimp trawlers don't like them. But meanwhile, it created a fishery. You could go drift if you went far away. Like if you went 500 yards from a rig and drifted around, you're not going to see, like, you're not going to see a fish. You go to a rig, it's stacked with fish. I mean, a rig contains, literally a rig contains tons of fish. Like, like tons of fish. It's got sharks around, they got sharks around them, they got amberjacks around them, there's wahoo around them, hosts of snapper grouper. Like everything is around it. The bait hides in it in a lot of places.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Like they're in spots where otherwise there.

[Steven Rinella]

Wouldn'T, there'd be nothing. There'd be nothing was, there'd be shrimp, but there was nothing. Nothing. And they like inadvertently created this world renowned fishery and now they're yanking that garbage out. One of the rigs we fish. When you watch this episode, one of those rigs we fish was gone six days later.

[Brody Leven]

Whoa. Did you guys know that while you were there?

[Steven Rinella]

Didn't know it. And when they dynamite it, they kill everything on that rig.

[Brody Leven]

Huh?

[Steven Rinella]

The concussion when they blast the rig, everything on it dies.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

And meanwhile in other places, they're like bending over backwards to create artificial.

[Steven Rinella]

Hauling out.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah. And dumping it.

[Steven Rinella]

Hauling out to make reefs.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Thinking old bet battleships and stuff like that.

[Steven Rinella]

And they had the perfect solution with the rigs is like what they were. Sometimes they were going for a while. They're going in and tipping them over. Tipping them over and giving the right clearance, whatever it is. 40ft, 50ft, 70ft. Tip it over. My solution, which no one's picked up on. I've made it 10 times. Take every three rigs, pluck them up and dump them on the fourth rig. Therefore you have a 75% reduction in places that have a structure that makes sense. But now you have 25% of the number of rigs, but each of those rigs is 75% bigger.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

So you make, you reduce, you reduce obstructions by 75% and make these big giant hot piles of fish. It is the most like, it is the most absurd thing.

[Brody Leven]

What, what percentage of the decision making is state versus federal for those things?

[Steven Rinella]

Most of those are in federal water. But a lot of it is, it comes down to fighting about. So the oil companies own them and they don't. And they, they, to rid themselves of liability, they yank them. Okay. So like, I'm not trying to act like it's a simple problem.

[Brody Leven]

Sure.

[Steven Rinella]

But if we can, if we can make it look like we put a man on the moon.

[Seth]

That'S a whole Other podcast.

[Steven Rinella]

If we could put a man on the moon in 1970. What the hell? 9.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I think it was a little earlier than that.

[Steven Rinella]

Whatever the hell they were up there. I don't know. Were they up there? I'm looking for the thing right now. I don't even.

[Brody Leven]

69.

[Steven Rinella]

They got a guy up there. I believe it. I think he's there.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Put a guy on the moon. We can't figure out a way to take alleviate. Like, we can't figure out a way to, like, legally hand these rigs over and dump them off. You're making a fit. They're destroying a fishery. And like, however you feel if some people are instinctively opposed to oil, oil extraction, it's like, dude, it's done. They did the oil.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah. These are decommissioned rigs. Right.

[Steven Rinella]

Damage is done. It's like they're there now and they're all the fish I've even had. Guys, I don't believe this, but I like the story. Guys told me that, like, when they go in and nuke one of these rigs, they got these things called rig reapers. When they go in and jack one of these rigs out and cut it up and haul it away, these guys are telling me what fish are left, have nowhere to hide. And he says, what fish are left? Leave with the boat.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Just follow it.

[Steven Rinella]

They're under the boat.

[Brody Leven]

It's a fun entity.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know if it's true, but, like, I. I believe it. I believe anything. Anybody.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I got a practical question about that. Like fishing or spearfishing those reefs, when you head out in the. From the marina in the morning, is it like, we gotta. Is there enough of them that you're not worried about getting to one and finding competition?

[Steven Rinella]

We have shown up. Oh, competition.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Well, like, you get there and you're like, oh, someone's already on this rig.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. We've gone to pins, you know. You know in Star wars when they go to that planet and like, it's gone.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Right.

[Steven Rinella]

In the very first one, what's the. Remember, there's a movie called Star Wars Princess Planet. So this is. This is Princess Lady Leia Gal.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm also aware they go to a planet and they're like, good Lord, it's gone.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

The Death Star got it.

[Seth]

That's like. That's like the rigs.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, it had shot it. The Death Star shot it, so. Which is a hell of a shot. So a hell of a gun. But we. You'd go to rigs and it Was like that you'd show up in the rigs, just not there, because the rig reapers taking it you. Here's the. One of the biggest things about diving those rigs that you learn is true. Like, you'll pull. Let's say you pull up to a rig and there's some dudes rod and reel fishing, right? And you can watch them riding real fish for 30 minutes and no one catches, okay? Not always, but I'm saying it's totally reasonable that you just kind of hover off. Like, if it's way out and you already went, like, I'll just wait till they're done. Just hang out, you know, drink some coconut water. And you'll see these guys, they're fishing, fishing, fishing. No one, no rods bent. No one catches nothing, okay? They pull away. You pull in there and jump in that water and get down below the Merc layer, and it's just fish. And it's like that. It was the same feeling as when you get an underwater camera when you're ice fishing. Because when you're ice fishing, you're not catching anything. You think in your mind, it's like, the fish aren't there. But then you put an underwater camera down, and I'm like, oh, no, they're there. They're staring at the bait like they're all hanging around looking at it. And in your mind, they're not down there. It'd be like, draped with fish. And you could have a guy on the boat fishing. Seth. Yep, you could fish. And you're like, how are you not catching anything? It's literally thousands of snapper.

[Seth]

I remember one time, this was on a different trip, but I was fishing while you guys were down there, and you came up and said, I could see your jig down there, and there was nothing around it.

[Steven Rinella]

And meanwhile, they're hitting on steel. That's the joke. They're always hitting on steel. No, it's a travesty, man. It's like, I just like it. Yeah, I, I, I understand the size of it. I understand the navigation hazards. I understand the liability thing. I understand the annoyance, the shrimp trawlers. But it's like you have created a paradise and you're destroying a paradise.

[Brody Leven]

I'm very unfamiliar with that part of the world. Are they, like, still building oil rigs?

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, but they've mostly my understanding, I'm not a subject matter expert, but my understanding is they've moved to these way offshore. They'll have a pipe, they a flexible line going down. But they might be in 2,000, 3,000ft of water. And it's a, it's a, it's a GPS guided platform that you can move from spot to spot. So I don't know that they're, I don't know that they're building many more structures. Not like they were when, when were.

[Brody Leven]

They building these things?

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, I think all like 70s, 80s, 90s, early 2000s, they were building rings. But I'm not a subject matter expert on that part. I'm a subject matter expert on one thing. It's this, there's a lot of fish on them rigs and you shouldn't be messing with those rigs. Like, I would love to have a debate. You know what, Corinne, that'd be a cool idea to do an episode where we get a person that likes getting rid of the rigs and then we'll have, I'll, I'll bring in guys that love the rigs and they can argue.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

What I'd like to know is like.

[Steven Rinella]

Who out there wants to get rid of these rigs and will you come on the show and like give me some half assed reason why?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah, I'd like to know what like a fisheries guy would say about it.

[Steven Rinella]

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[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yes.

[Steven Rinella]

And like all fish have worms. It's just a fact. Like when you're eating halibut, I'll look. When I'm serving people halibut and I'm looking at their plate, what I'm seeing is I'm wondering if they're going to know what they're looking at.

[Seth]

Same.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm like, I wonder if they're going to know what that is. That's a big worm.

[Seth]

Yeah. That brown thing in there is a vein.

[Brody Leven]

Would you get served that in a restaurant? Sure. Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

It just has worms. You're. You're a pan fisherman, right?

[Brody Leven]

Sure.

[Steven Rinella]

You ever clean bluegills and perch? And he looks like someone put black pepper on it. You know what you're looking at?

[Seth]

Yeah, yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Parasites. It's. Everything's loaded. Everything's loaded. But an amberjack has toward its tail. Like if I'm an amberjack, I'm an amberjack.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

Big One, use my mouth on me. On me as an amberjack. Right here. So above the caudal fin, once the. Once the caudal fin starts to come out, right here is a pocket of worms that looks like you just dug into your compost pile.

[Brody Leven]

Why are they held there?

[Steven Rinella]

That I don't know. I don't know why they like that spot. That's where they live. So you just trim around it. But check out what I didn't notice at the time. Crin was digging into this. Because you're talking about these worms. It's called an amberjack word worm. Okay? It's like a. It's like a tube, but check out what that son of a life cycle is. He starts. I got a home. I gotta get my spectacles on. I might just throw my Ben Franklin's on under my shades. You ever see me do this? Oh, that's sporty. Listen to this. Do I look good?

[Brody Leven]

Huh? Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Can you tell I got these on?

[Seth]

Oh, yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Okay, I gotta zoom this in. Hold on a minute. How do you zoom this in? Ha. When you're cleaning the amberjack, okay, and you get into his tail, guess what that worm has been through.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Let's hear it.

[Steven Rinella]

That worm is born in a shark, okay? The larva develop. Well, not. We can't call it being born. That larvae develops into an adult tapeworm in the gut of a shark. Okay. That shark is shatting out. Okay? That larva develops and has eggs in a shark.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You tracking in the shark's digestive system?

[Steven Rinella]

Yep. That shark shats out eggs. Okay, so he's shatting out eggs. Crustaceans find these eggs and eat them.

[Seth]

You tracking, like, shrimp or something?

[Steven Rinella]

Shrimp, crabs, whatever. Who's ever feeding down on the bottom, probably shrimp. Little fish eat the crustaceans that have ate the shat. You still tracking?

[Brody Leven]

Yeah, we're still not to the amberjack.

[Steven Rinella]

Amberjacks eat those little fish inside the amberjack. It grows into that big scary worm that makes people say, amberjacks aren't good to eat.

[Seth]

And then.

[Steven Rinella]

Then a shark eats the amberjack and gets the worm back. Ooh. So what came.

[Seth]

What came first, the shark or the amberjack?

[Steven Rinella]

It's a great question.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Or the worm.

[Seth]

Or the worm.

[Steven Rinella]

And so the next time you're cursing those worms, think about where that thing has been and what he's been through.

[Brody Leven]

A lot of good evolution happening there.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. And people get like, this is the thing that pisses me off about people and nature. People get like, can you believe drone technology?

[Seth]

Now.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm like you want. You want to hear something crazy.

[Seth]

That'S true.

[Steven Rinella]

Think about this for a minute. Man will never, ever, ever come up with anything as interesting as that. You know what I mean? And I don't think what else. Seth was there for the. Seth was there for all this stuff. But we filmed the muzzleloader hunt. There's not a lot to say about because we already covered it pretty heavily. What state in Montana, Because Montana started their muzzleloader season. Montana started their muzzleloader season a couple years ago.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Which is primitive only.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. And I like the way. I like the way they manage it, man. Well, you want to explain that? Because you boys come from the world's most primitive state.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Pennsylvania. Yeah. Which is flintlock only.

[Steven Rinella]

Did you do that?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

A little bit. Not much. I took up muzzle or hunt later with the new fangled inline muzzle loaders.

[Brody Leven]

Yep.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Like in Colorado. So like, you know, you can use powder. I don't think you can use pellets there, but it's like way easier than a traditional muzzle loader.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. So we, we filmed in Pennsylvania for the flintlock season. And that's like you're hunting Daniel Boone equipment. Yeah, like straight up Daniel Boone equipment.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Air triggers, Gun not going off.

[Steven Rinella]

Gun going off. Montana, basically. When Montana came in, they did it right. Like there's some states where it's a joke. Is it New Mexico or Arizona where it's kind of a joke. You can use a scope.

[Brody Leven]

I was very friendly to muzzleloader hunters, but that's because they don't let you use a rifle.

[Steven Rinella]

That's because they don't. Because it's flat in. There's houses.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

So it's like a different objective. Right. But this. Some of the states, like, I think New Mexico is the new expo, has a really stupid one. Or Arizona maybe Arizona has the really dumb one where you basically, you can still. You could use telescopic sites and you could buy souped up muzzleloaders and you can still. You can still hit targets at 600 yards.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

It's kind of like it's not really a muzzleloader hunt, but here they call it a heritage hunt because they restrict the gear you got to use true to size lead. So no, no sabbats. Like if it's a 50 cal, it's got to be a 50 cal lead loose powder. Or is it loose powder? I think. Yep, loose powder. No telescopic sight. And it's got to be loaded from.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

The muzzle and it's got to be a flintlock or percussion cap. Right.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. And part of my problem is I have a flintlock and I need to send a guy. I got a guy. I found a guy that's going to build me what's gonna be my new super gun. I want. I want a single trigger percussion cap, 54 caliber.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Because you don't like those set triggers and hair triggers.

[Steven Rinella]

Hate them. That's a deer saving device in my hands. It's a deer saving device.

[Seth]

It saved two deer in two different episodes.

[Brody Leven]

Dude.

[Steven Rinella]

I can't. I'm not smart enough for it. I spent my whole life with one trigger. Also, I can't go hunting with two triggers. Yeah, the.

[Brody Leven]

The, like, heritage flintlock thing, I would say, is probably the highest barrier of entry. If you were, like, just gonna pick a weapon and go hunting, it's harder than I would say archery. Crossbows. Traditional archery.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Well, especially here, because you're doing it after those things have been hunted with bows, with rifle. Like, they're not, like, they're wary.

[Seth]

That time, that was my plushie.

[Brody Leven]

Snow on the ground.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. That was. My takeaway is I totally miscalculated. First off, I thought the season was way later than it was. So when I was getting all excited about it, I was like, oh, yeah. Because, like, deer season will be over for weeks, and the deer will be chill. It's not like that. It's like they've been getting hit for six weeks of archery.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Three months.

[Steven Rinella]

They've been getting hit for six weeks of general firearm. And then all of a sudden, like, you go out thinking, like, oh, yeah, they're, you know, all I got all over now, but the gun. Because it's muzzleloader season and they'll be chill. It's like they are on edge.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yep.

[Steven Rinella]

They are on the worst. They have not forgotten about gun season at all.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

If you're very well trained, if you.

[Steven Rinella]

Ran it, like, in August, it'd be a good time.

[Brody Leven]

Wow.

[Steven Rinella]

It is. It is. Like, I'm not saying I'm done with it. I'm just saying, like, I went into it thinking, like, I said, I was. I was just ready to start. Gun.

[Brody Leven]

Do you guys know anybody who killed one with.

[Steven Rinella]

I do.

[Brody Leven]

Heritage.

[Seth]

Yeah, I know. Guy killed a bull.

[Steven Rinella]

And I'm going to get serious about it.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm going to get serious about it. And I'm getting this new souped up. Not souped up. I'm getting this gun. I got to send a guy my 500.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

That's right. I think it'd be a good season for you for whitetails. Like, you know, you get some access.

[Brody Leven]

I try to wrap up that by November.

[Steven Rinella]

Let me show you something. Do you know. Do you use your email as a to do list?

[Brody Leven]

Explain.

[Steven Rinella]

Like, my email is kind of like my to do list.

[Brody Leven]

Oh, in a way. But my. The notes on my phone.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah.

[Brody Leven]

Are my to do list.

[Steven Rinella]

If you go to the bottom of my Inbox, I have 23 things in my inbox. If you go to the bottom of my inbox, you know what it says? $500 to John.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You gotta fly in your face.

[Steven Rinella]

So I need to get my new muzzleloader. Okay. Yeah.

[Brody Leven]

What are you gonna call that episode? Got a lot of directions you could go.

[Steven Rinella]

We already named it.

[Brody Leven]

I don't know. Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, you know what? I forgot to say that's really funny about. I was telling someone this the other day. Oh, I did. He's really funny. I went on Theo Von's podcast. He's from Louisiana, So I was asking him, hey, man, are you switching to Gulf of America? And he's not switching. And so all that was. All that was hitting the fan. When we were making our episode, we were cutting the episode. So, like, we're like. Of course, because we always name, like, a big thing is like, to name. I like landscape features more than. Than I like geopolitical borders. So in the intro where I was like, where are you? You know, so it'd be like, in the Rocky Mountains rather than whatever, or like, along the Missouri river, along the Mississippi. So we're like. When we wrote it, we wrote it Gulf of Mexico, but then all the started hitting the fans. So we, like, went in to record one time, and we're like. And I just made a joke, kind of like the Gulf of. You know, like, you trying to ride the fence, you know, like, to not get in trouble for getting the word police after you.

[Brody Leven]

Do you think people will understand that?

[Steven Rinella]

No.

[Brody Leven]

From now.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Hillary. Our production team pointed out that it's kind of stupid.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

So we went back to. We went back to Gulf of Mexico because, like, the whole thing was on that. It was like.

[Seth]

Well, it was the Gulf of Mexico when you shot it.

[Steven Rinella]

It was Gulf Mexico. We shot it. But I'm not going to switch because, like, part of the appeal, like, the word police were making life so bad for a number of years. Right. The word police were just, like, on you all the time. And then the vibe shift, the cultural vibe shift happened, and you got a break from the world, the word police. But then all of a sudden, it was like the dog that catches a Car. Because then all of a sudden, they're turning in word policing back on you. Do you know what I mean? And I just, like, I was like, man, I'm just done with getting word policed. Like, I got sick of it. I thought it was over. Now we're getting word police from the other side. And I just went, gulf of Mexico. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I think I just, like, I can't handle getting word police.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Gulf of Amberjack.

[Steven Rinella]

Gulf of Amberjack.

[Brody Leven]

Somebody watching that in 2035, when we're doing another podcast recap for season, what, 23. At that point, the Gulf of Mexico will age better. They'll be calling it that again, or.

[Seth]

They'Ll change it back by then.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Theo Vaughn thinks that there should be a big competition between America and Mexico, like an Olympics of stuff that has to do with the Gulf to see who wins. The name.

[Seth]

Like spear fishing can be an event. Oil drilling, Oil drilling, shrimping.

[Steven Rinella]

And whatever country wins gets naming rights.

[Brody Leven]

Spring break, partying.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Like, I don't have. Like, if my kids wind up growing up calling it Gulf America, I'm like, I don't care. That's cool. But I. I'm too old. I can't switch. I realize I can't switch. Like, I remember going from McKinley to Denali, and I don't know that I got the energy to go back. I switched when I was young and malleable.

[Brody Leven]

Are there any bird names you had to change when.

[Steven Rinella]

When they started switching and switched back.

[Brody Leven]

Oh, so you're back to if it's like a Cooper's hawk.

[Steven Rinella]

I've bunned two switches. Okay, I switched. And this wasn't. Because this wasn't word policing. I went from bluegrass to duskies and sodies, and then now, out of laziness, I've gone back to bluegrous.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah, it's just blue automatic. I don't even. It's just bluegrass. That was Just Comes up automatically.

[Brody Leven]

Species split, right?

[Steven Rinella]

That was a species split. It wasn't word policing. Now, a word policing. One would be the duck. An old squad, whether you call it a long tail or not. And I kind of sit the fence on that one. You know, I sit the fence on that one. All the other new changes. There's no way. There's no way. Cal gets upset when you talk about it.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Goliath group or was it was.

[Steven Rinella]

I never went with the old name.

[Brody Leven]

What was the old. Oh, can we not say the old name?

[Steven Rinella]

It was a Jew fish. I don't know why I Didn't know that. I don't know why Crin. You know why?

[Seth]

Oh, Crin laughed so weird.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah.

[Seth]

She was just here.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know why they used to call it a Jew fish. I've always just called him Goliath grouper. I don't know why they call it that. It should be easy to find out. We got an episode coming out where we turkey hunt with Luke Combs. That was fun. State Texas. Here's why I'm nervous about that episode coming out.

[Seth]

Oh.

[Steven Rinella]

Because we kind of reaped one.

[Brody Leven]

Can you do that in Texas?

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, you can do it.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

And it's like, it's not a safety issue because we're on a friend's place, but people are going to be like.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

The Reaping police are going to come out.

[Steven Rinella]

Police. On one episode, the word police are going to get us. The Reaping police are going to get us. On another episode, the rattling police. The rattling police, which I didn't even know existed. Seymour, Seymour, Seymour. The rattling cops. No amount of success, no amount of bucks you've called in can, like, please him. So the Reaping police are going to come after us. But we're. It was like, I don't go immediately to the reap.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

It's a fallback method.

[Steven Rinella]

It's a fallback.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Seth]

That was some challenging turkey hunting.

[Steven Rinella]

Very challenging turkey hunting.

[Seth]

We got, like, historic rainfall.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, we just knew it was raining a lot, but we weren't looking at the news. We didn't know it was like a national news story that there's, like, major flooding and we're just kind of like, mining, you know? Like, good Lord, does it rain down here? Bridges are underwater and, like, cars are floating away. Yeah.

[Seth]

We're like, oh, they get a lot of rain in the spring.

[Steven Rinella]

No, it wasn't the big tragic. This is. I don't want people to be confused. It wasn't the tragic flood in Texas. That. That. I mean, I wouldn't be joking about that. It wasn't the flood in Texas that had fatalities and children loss. It was a localized flood that did not have fatalities. But it was. There was some flooding, and it was. And we had. We were oblivious to it for a couple days. And then someone came in and be like, oh, you had no. You didn't know, dude. This is like a major flooding event. We just thought it was raining a lot while we hunted turkeys. It was a tough hunt.

[Brody Leven]

I feel like the Reaping police is like the. The defense of it is a little bit Of a straw man argument. Like, I feel like most people just have common sense and they're like, that's, that's a pretty cool way to kill a turkey. Assuming everyone is like, safe about it.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You know, there's not anything stupid there, there. I mean, to be fair, there's been people who have gotten shot doing it.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah. I think there's states who outlaw it.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Pennsylvania.

[Steven Rinella]

And if, if a state outlaws it, I would never show up at the game commission fighting for it. It's right to me. It's one of those things. It's like, if you can do it on occasion, I'll do it. If you get rid. It's like two way communications. If a state says you can't use two way communications to hunt, I'm like, cool, huh? Do you know what I mean? Like, it, it doesn't bother me, man.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You're still gonna have a good hunt.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, but state said, hey, muzzleloader season, from now on, you gotta, you can't, you gotta use loose powder, no telescopic sights. I'm like, cool. If it say, says there's no repeat, I'm like, that's fine, whatever. I'll be fine. And, and on that thing, like, I would not. And this is more out of fear for my wife. I would not reap with my little kids.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Oh.

[Steven Rinella]

Because if one of them, you know, even if we got grazed, I'm gonna be in a lot of trouble. A lot of trouble.

[Seth]

Well, another argument to the reaping thing is that it triggers something in their brain that they can't resist.

[Brody Leven]

That's cool, though.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know if that's true.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah. It's like saying you're using the wrong fishing.

[Seth]

I mean, how many times.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. This lure has been banned because it's too effective.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I mean, I don't see it as like all that different than putting a decoy out, man. I mean.

[Seth]

Yeah, but in my experience, I've had many times where there's turkeys out in the field and you have a decoy out and you're calling whatever hours go by and they're still out in that field, and then you pull out of a fan and start crawling towards them. And they're coming.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, sure.

[Seth]

It's just like a. There's not, there's not very many other. I don't know of any other animal where they have a thing where if you do it, like, there's a very high chance that they're going to be triggered by it. And they're coming.

[Steven Rinella]

You'Re A great turkey hunter. You're a better turkey hunter than me. I. I can't say that that's. I. I can't say that that has been my. I've seen turkey see a fan and not come around and me too. Okay.

[Seth]

Yeah. But I would say in my experience it's 90 of the time.

[Steven Rinella]

Are there lures you won't use because they work too good?

[Seth]

I haven't found that out. Live bait works great a lot, you know. But I. I've also seen where plastics outfish. Like there's nothing that I can think of.

[Brody Leven]

That umbrella rig, if you were fishing bass, they. That had. They had to outlaw those.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Those were too many hooks.

[Brody Leven]

Too many hooks. But also like it was too successful for a handful of tournaments.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, they outlawed it in tournaments.

[Brody Leven]

Yes. But I think states. I feel like states have also taken a stance and. And maybe that's come in the form of like how many hooks you can have.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Don't they have. But they have rigs where if there's eight of them, only two have hooks.

[Brody Leven]

They would put like one with a different color. Like it's. Say it's eight. Seven of the plastics are white and one is Shar Truce. And that's the one with.

[Steven Rinella]

And that's not outlawed.

[Brody Leven]

No, no.

[Seth]

There's some states where you can only have one hook and they run a.

[Steven Rinella]

Rigs with just one hook on it. Hey, do you know Crin, do you know why. Why Goliath grouper were long known as Jew fish kin? Has looked but don't remember. Doesn't remember. Yeah, check it out. Is it derog? I mean, I'm assuming it's derogatory. I doubt it's someone celebrating, you know. Episode 4 is Alaska Bear with Evan Felker. That just happened. We just had a podcast about it.

[Seth]

Fantastic episode.

[Steven Rinella]

Now someone brought up Corinne brought up and looking at. She was watching the cut. She brought up. There were there. We are eating raw bear meat in Alaska again. But that bear meat was pretty cooked. You want to hear in the picture, someone needs to color correct it to make it look more cooked.

[Seth]

I will say when we were eating it, I'm like, oh, I don't know.

[Steven Rinella]

No one got sick. No, I knew. I can just tell now by looking at it.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You want to hear Steve, you want to hear the answer?

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, please.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Mickey. First recorded usage in 1697.

[Steven Rinella]

That was before the show included that.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

The species physical characteristics were frequently connected to mainstay characters of anti Semitic. Anti Semitic beliefs.

[Steven Rinella]

Back that up again.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

The species physical Characteristics were connected to mainstay caricatures of anti Semitic beliefs. Yep.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know if I believe that one.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Alternate explanations include derivation from Italian word.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm assuming it's that seems reasonable.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Which means bottom fish. Or the mispronounce mispronunciation of the name jawfish.

[Steven Rinella]

That is where my money is.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Okay, so there's no real tight explanation.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know. The first one could be correct. I'm just saying if I had to make a stab.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I'm just reading what was on Wikipedia.

[Steven Rinella]

Big news, folks. The third volume in our Meat Eaters American History audiobook series is available right now. Wherever you get your audio books. That's right, it's available now. It's called Meat Eaters American history the Hidehunters, 1865-1883. It tells the story of the commercial buffalo hunters who drove North America's most iconic large land mammal to the brink of extinction in the years after the Civil War. You'll learn all about how these guys with nicknames like Dirty Face Jones, Skunk Johnson and Squirrel Eye Emery did what they did, how they organized their hunting expeditions, what they took with them, what guns they shot, how they hunted, how they process their kills, why they did it in the first place, and how they died. You'll also learn about the economic factors that made this a viable profession. And what happened to those millions of buffalo skins once they were shipped east. And like we do in all of our Meat Eaters American History projects, we included wild stories and bizarre details from this era. And we didn't leave out any of the gory bits. Check out Meat Eaters American History, The Hide Hunters, 1865-1883, wherever you get your audiobooks. And then episodes. Yeah, yeah, that. That bear meat. No one got sick. Don't get worried. But it's too late. Funny if we on spring bear hunt. Oh, you'd know by now.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

You know, a month later and it doesn't matter anyway. It's like not a problem. It's alarming, but not a problem.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Would you go if you got it again?

[Steven Rinella]

Would it.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Would you go through the same thing all over again?

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, same thing all over again. It you. Yeah. You can be. You being a carrier, you still have to go through the initial discomfort.

[Seth]

I thought when we. When we were in Africa I was getting some unusual like muscle pains.

[Steven Rinella]

You thought you had.

[Seth]

I thought I might have had it, but I'm pretty sure I had a pinched nerve from sitting on a plane for so damn long.

[Steven Rinella]

What you were Describing wasn't right to me. All the people that got it, when I. When we got it, we all got very similar symptomology.

[Brody Leven]

How undercooked was the meat? The time you got it real undercooked.

[Steven Rinella]

We were talking about getting trichnosis from it. We were joking about how we're going to get it.

[Brody Leven]

Was it like pink on the inside? Was it red on the inside?

[Steven Rinella]

Enough that one of the guys there was. I ain't that stuff. But no, this bear meat was. This. This bear meat's not a problem. And, man, I took. So we had a couple bears this year. This bear, one of these bears, and then. And then my boy's bear. Have you had my breakfast links? The Anna the butcher made.

[Seth]

Me.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Seth]

No, they're good.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, the best thing in the world, man. Yeah, best thing in the world.

[Seth]

Corinne has a question.

[Steven Rinella]

Corinne's saying if you get it like you had it, but then eat raw.

[Brody Leven]

Meat again, is that an increased load? Like, then what happens to you? Like, because you. Because once you get it, it doesn't go away.

[Steven Rinella]

She's saying since once you get it, it doesn't go away if you just keep eating it. Can you get an increased load?

[Seth]

I thought it does go away, though, over time.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, over a decade, the cysts, the siths, the. The cysts become not viable. Over some period of time that's not well understood, the cysts become unviable. Yeah. My understanding is that the load is bad. And the other danger you have from it is that. So it. Those. Those larvae bore into your muscle tissue. People have had problems where, for whatever reason, they get a concentration of it in their heart and their heart muscle. So when you see that, like, something bad could happen to you, what it's referring to is that you got, like, a heavy load, a heavy concentration in. In like, sensitive. Sensitive muscle tissue like your heart.

[Brody Leven]

I assume this is on your medical record. Has a doctor ever addressed it in the future? Been like, I see you have trichinosis.

[Steven Rinella]

Never. But I. No, they haven't. And it's a CDC reportable disease, so you're logged in the. In the Centers for Disease Control, and they track trichnosis cases. But I've never had someone bring it up to me that I hadn't brought it up to. And I don't even think to bring it up to doctors anymore.

[Brody Leven]

Right.

[Steven Rinella]

Ever. And then the last three episodes are the ones I'm most excited about. But I. We haven't even really. We're cutting them, but I haven't gotten into any of them yet. So. Tanzania. Three episodes. Five, six, and seven in Tanzania. Another turn attention to Seth here for a minute.

[Seth]

Oh, boy.

[Steven Rinella]

And now that you've had time to sit back, like, Seth didn't want to go. He's being kind of a baby. Now you've had time. Now that you've had time. Okay. You've had time to reflect. If you could wave a magic wand and have it be that you hadn't gone, would you waive it?

[Seth]

No. I'm glad I went.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh. No desire to go back?

[Seth]

Not at all.

[Steven Rinella]

Tell me. Yeah. I'm not challenging that, because that's where I was for most of my life. When I was your age, I'd have been like you. I would. If you gave me a free trip, I wouldn't have gone.

[Seth]

Yeah. You know, if someone gave me a free trip, I don't know. That'd be like, yeah, sure, I'll go. Depends on the time of year, I guess.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. But help me, like. Like. Because I remember. I remember not wanting to go, and I remember, like, it built like a. Like a disease to where I wanted to go so bad I couldn't stand it.

[Seth]

I spent a lot of time thinking about this post trip.

[Brody Leven]

Okay.

[Seth]

To myself, why I had Just have no desire for that place.

[Steven Rinella]

Yep.

[Seth]

And I. I don't have an answer.

[Brody Leven]

The airplane.

[Steven Rinella]

That.

[Seth]

That's a. That's a reason, but it's not the reason.

[Brody Leven]

That's like, my life when I was.

[Seth]

Growing up watching, like, when I would watch the Outdoor Channel or whatever, if an Africa episode came on, I would.

[Steven Rinella]

Change the channel because it had nothing to do with.

[Seth]

You had just no interest.

[Steven Rinella]

For most of the time, I didn't want to go. I couldn't think of those things as game animals.

[Seth]

I'm the. I'm there, too.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. I couldn't think of them because, like, I didn't. I wasn't. I didn't grow up lusting over them. So I couldn't picture them as game animals.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

And that. That's what. One of the things that started to change is, like, by reading all these guys that, like all these famous writers and stuff that hunt there, I started to start to get where I could, like, look at a Cape buffalo and be like, oh, it's like a game animal. But before I be that, like a zoo animal, it's hard to think of.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Something as a game animal that you. You've never watched walk around in the wild, you know, like, it is for me, anyway.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. It was hard to think of it as a Game animal.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

And it was hard to separate it from the controversy.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You know, what I want to know is about Africa is how, like, it's like comparing apples to oranges. But, like, how would you compare it to your trips to South America? And, like, what similarities? What differences? Like, maybe which one you like better, what. Whatever. Like, just an observation on those trips you made to South America versus Africa. Africa. Because one was like, you're kind of out there, like, in the nitty gritty, doing it. And this was a much different situation where you're like, you're. You're like, being guided.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Degree you were still being guided.

[Steven Rinella]

And I like. I like South America. Like, Like, I am dying to take my kids on a river trip in South America. And part of what I liked about it was very kind of like, ad hoc and figured out as you go and, like, you were. You were, like, very involved in it. You're doing things that. You're just figuring stuff out. You know, you're doing things that they'd.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Be doing every day for themselves.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. And in Africa, it's like, it's very. Like, what you're doing is being put on for you.

[Brody Leven]

Right.

[Steven Rinella]

In the hunting. Like, what you're doing is being organized for you.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yep.

[Steven Rinella]

And then. And. And like. And hanging out with Amerindians in South America was like, you're doing a thing that, you know, but you're. You're doing a thing that is very similar to what they do.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

You know, maybe you got. You know, maybe you got more boats and whatever. But they live a life of getting on those rivers, going way up those rivers and hunting and fishing. And so you're just, like, hanging out. There's different stuff happening that wouldn't happen.

[Seth]

But the sort of.

[Steven Rinella]

The framework of it is, is you're kind of going like, oh, so this is like a lifestyle.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah. That.

[Seth]

That.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I mean, Seth doesn't have any desire to go back. I. I had a much stronger desire to go do that type of trip in South America than something like that.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Like, there's a. There's a river. I want to take my kids soon. I want to take my kids and go to the. But we need, like, a month.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

And I want to go to the headwaters of a river. Like, I know the river. The headwaters. I want to hire someone. I want to. Yep. But it's like a. You know, be like a 20 some day.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

All in 20 some days.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Which is. I mean, you were in Africa for a long time.

[Steven Rinella]

I keep telling people, I caught My fingernails twice.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Seth]

That was the last time.

[Steven Rinella]

You've been somewhere and cut your fingernails twice?

[Brody Leven]

I can't. Can't think of what it would have been.

[Steven Rinella]

Never happens.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah, Africa is. It's like less interesting to me because a sweet spot for where a rifle cartridge is interesting is like a.308 a.270. And you get smaller than that. I'm uninterested. You get bigger than that. I'm uninterested. And you what like what cartridge were you shooting? The, the.

[Steven Rinella]

The like the go to is the.375. H&H. It's just a very like. That's what we hunted in. We'll hunt anything with it.

[Brody Leven]

What was the shooting experience like with that?

[Steven Rinella]

How far are you shooting?

[Brody Leven]

Yeah, just like the recoil.

[Steven Rinella]

Oh, the recoil takes so long that it's not bad. You know when you're shooting like a 7 millimeter ram mag and the recoil is like everything all at once. It's like flop and it hurts your head. You get a headache from it. A.375 is like it's still kicking. When you're like walking away. It's like so. It's not that bad. I don't like the pop recoil. I don't mind a good long slow push.

[Brody Leven]

I didn't know that was like a different experience.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, it's a. It's a. Did you bother me?

[Seth]

No, I never did.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Probably not as bad as shooting a big, great big turkey load out of a shotgun.

[Seth]

What I did similar. What I did shoot in both of a shot was the, the old game scouts AK.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. He let his shoes AK 47. Not many guys in a government uniform with a machine gun are gonna let you shoot it.

[Seth]

It'd be like going up to a game board and being like, hey, can I pop off a couple rounds with that?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Did you look at it like, was it an old like Russian ak And.

[Steven Rinella]

Where was that manufactured? I can't remember where it said on there where it was built.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Probably China.

[Steven Rinella]

I can't remember if it was Chinese built. I was dying to shoot it.

[Brody Leven]

Sounds like you didn't have to twist his arm either.

[Steven Rinella]

The minute we asked. Hey, can we shoot that?

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

Listen, he just didn't want us to burn through his whole magazine.

[Seth]

No. Which I'm. I'm like not familiar with those older AKs. And from my understanding that he had it on like. Yeah, semi auto.

[Steven Rinella]

I didn't know what the letters meant, but I was like, that doesn't make any sense.

[Seth]

There's like a There's like a. An auto.

[Brody Leven]

There is.

[Seth]

There's an auto. It's like a selector switch. And there's auto and like semi auto, and then safe. And he. From my understanding, he had it on.

[Steven Rinella]

I was semi auto. I was very confused.

[Seth]

And when I pulled the trigger, more. More than one round went off.

[Steven Rinella]

I was very.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Know what's gonna happen.

[Steven Rinella]

I'm like. Because he's showing me the selector and I remember. I can't remember the details, but I remember intuitively. Like, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, but then. Yeah, didn't Seth went to crack round off and caught a few free.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You know what? I. I have this thing in my head, and I don't know if I made it up or if I actually read it, but there's a thing where Kalashnikov said he regretted making that weapon.

[Steven Rinella]

Really?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Because it was so responsible for so many people dying. But I can't. Like, I might be making that up, but I think I remember reading him like, yeah, saying he had a regret from developing that weapon.

[Seth]

Mighty fine weapon, though.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, he did good. Staring at that gun that whole trip. I was dying to shoot it.

[Brody Leven]

That wasn't a day one request you made last day. Okay.

[Steven Rinella]

I should ask the first day. Yeah, Last day request. And you know what's funny about that dude? That AK47, like, he's always way in the back, but he's. He's like the. The game warden. So he comes with you because he's out checking for poachers and stuff. He's always way in the back. But when you're trailing those Cape buffalo and you get into real thick stuff, he does, he'd be like. You look at him back there, he'd be like, already, huh? He's got, like, his finger up above the trigger guard because he. He's been like. What I later learned is he was there when Roger Hurt got stomped by Kate Buffalo. That was the dude that was with him. And so they were saying that after he got. After he witnessed someone get stomped, he started getting real, like, ready for. He was like. When stuff was gonna hit the fan, he was always tuned in.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

He was like the pilot. I don't like to fly in bad weather.

[Steven Rinella]

Yep. He was tuned in because he'd seen how things can go. How things can go south in a hurry. Did.

[Seth]

Did he shoot that buffalo at all when that went down?

[Steven Rinella]

He must not have, because they were saying to me, as far as they knew, it might still be alive. Well, they showed us where it happened.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah, I remember that what were the details of that? Did that thing. That thing had a round in it when he went after the guy.

[Steven Rinella]

No, it had been mauled by a lion.

[Brody Leven]

Whoa.

[Steven Rinella]

So it was already wounded. So they just happened to be. They were stalking something else and came around a big termitarium or like a big termite mound with a bunch of trees growing out of it, and they were stalking something else. And just freak chance. It was a wounded Cape buffalo.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

That was scratched up by a lion. And he came out and stomped him. There was actually going for the woman. A woman. But he got out in front of it and he got. He took the brunt of it. Busted them up good. And then we talked about in a previous show. I'm not going to get into it now, but this year, two Americans have been killed by cape buffalo in Africa.

[Brody Leven]

For most of the things you're hunting over there is their nose, their top defense, or do they rely on Kate buffalo's nose?

[Steven Rinella]

A lot of that stuff is. Because a lot of that stuff goes like. Like a lot of that stuff goes into thickest stuff.

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

It goes where it can't see. It can't see 10 inches. They're laying where they can't see anything. They couldn't see me to you right where they're laying.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

What was the, like, difficulty scale for warthogs?

[Steven Rinella]

Like, how finding a big one.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

But, like, were they wary? Like, were they very, like, challenging?

[Steven Rinella]

But we eventually found one that was far enough away where it wasn't aware. Yeah. And you could stalk it, but. Yeah. You see a lot of them. They just boogie. Yeah. They're already a way aware of you, and they're just gone.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

But eventually a guy, one of the. This a Kenyan dude, George, he saw one probably 300 yards away, which is a rarity. And then you're able to actually, like, get the wind and stalk it, and then it's not a problem. Then it's like stalking a regular hog.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I got one more question about it.

[Steven Rinella]

And then that's it. Then we're gonna wrap up so people can go on.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

How was it for you? Like, was it hard for you to, like, kind of step back and let other people kind of steer the hunt?

[Steven Rinella]

No. Because they're so competent and they know so much stuff. It was, like, very. I loved it.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yeah.

[Steven Rinella]

I was learning tons of stuff. That was not a hard part. No part of me wanted to be like, I'll take charge from here, boys, because I have no idea what's going on. No.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

But I see some people Being like, there were.

[Steven Rinella]

There were moments when. There were moments in stalking when you might have done. When I would have done something different. Yeah, there were moments in stalking when I was like, yeah, I don't really like that, but you guys know what's up, right? You know, but no, for the most part, you'd have to spend years there before you had any business saying, like, hey, why don't we try? You know, because you're kind of like, hey, having been. Never even seen one of these things before. Here's my suggestion. You know, it's like. It's just right. You'd have to spend years there before you had any right to go be like, I think we should go left and not. Yeah, left and not right. But stalking. There were things that. That in stalking, there were things that. That I. I felt like. Didn't. Because I do a lot of stalking. They do a lot of tracking. But when it came to, like, seeing something and putting the slip on it, there were things that I was like, man, I don't know. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

But sure, right.

[Steven Rinella]

You know, but sure. But I'm looking forward to get, like, I can't wait to see the episodes, man. They're gonna be great. Seth will turn them off because he has since he was a little child.

[Seth]

No, I'll watch him.

[Steven Rinella]

You'll watch them.

[Seth]

I'll watch him. So I can actually see what happened. I was.

[Steven Rinella]

He was licking the dust off his lips.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Me and Korean, you got some stuff getting shipped back here, man.

[Steven Rinella]

I don't know when I'll see it, but I do. I got a big chunk of cape buffalo, big, square cape buffalo hide that Corinne wanted to keep. She couldn't believe we weren't keeping any. And then she had the brilliant idea to save a big. Basically girdled that buffalo. So, like, if you picture, like, from behind the front shoulder to the front hand, we girdled it belly to belly and saved this big square that we're gonna have some belts and made out of it.

[Seth]

Do you save the sack off of it?

[Steven Rinella]

Save the. Yeah, but dirt. Dirt already conned me out of the sack.

[Brody Leven]

Oh, what's his plan?

[Steven Rinella]

He wants it to be a sack. Oh, it's like a little marble bag. Big marble.

[Seth]

It's like a crown royal bag.

[Steven Rinella]

Yes, it's a nut sack the size of a crown royal sack. I told him, I said, I think you should keep all your dip in there. Like, instead of the little tins, dump all the tins into that nut Sack and have a big nut sack full of the dip pouches.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

You could have made your powder bag out of that.

[Steven Rinella]

I gave it away.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Yep.

[Steven Rinella]

I do that. I'd find I do that. And then all the time. All the time.

[Brody Leven]

Give me another example.

[Steven Rinella]

I gave away my red stag from New Zealand. I gave away my Himalayan tar rug all time. It's a terrible habit. Then later, I'm like, son of a gun.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

But you got some skulls coming back too.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah, I'm not giving that stuff away. But we're gonna get that big hunk of hide, that big hunk of Cape buffalo hide. And anybody that wants can get a belt off that or whatever. Then I got that sable. I got the, the, the sable in the roan. Nose to tail, hoof to withers. I don't know what I'm gonna do with them. Rug them out. I don't know. Haven't decided. Haven't decided. If. You know, I shouldn't say this, but if someone out there just really needs a roan or a sable full skin to. Because there's their cape got ruined or something, I don't know. Let me know. Probably not.

[Brody Leven]

When is season 13 out? I don't know. Now. Now?

[Unidentified Crew Member]

Really?

[Steven Rinella]

Oh. Oh, it's right now.

[Brody Leven]

Okay, stop listening.

[Steven Rinella]

Stop listening to the show and go watch. Dude. What are you sitting here for, people?

[Seth]

Where do we watch it?

[Brody Leven]

YouTube.

[Steven Rinella]

Let's go right on YouTube and watch.

[Seth]

It's on the tube.

[Steven Rinella]

Yeah. Why would you be listening to this and you could be watching that?

[Brody Leven]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Is it on Outdoor Channel, Sportsman's channel, Monday nights?

[Steven Rinella]

Yep. It'll be on all of our, you know, all of our digital channels. Outdoor. Yeah.

[Seth]

Outdoor channel, Sportsman's Channel.

[Steven Rinella]

October 20th. Dig in. Don't look like it. It's a little warm for October 20th.

[Unidentified Crew Member]

I know where I'm gonna be October 20th, ain't it?

[Seth]

Me too.

[Steven Rinella]

All right. Thanks for joining everybody.

[Seth]

Foreign.

[Steven Rinella]

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