Ep. 782: Pearl Farming, Hinge Fishing Spots, and Worst Game Agency Logos | MeatEater Radio Live!

Summary

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The MeatEater Podcast – Ep. 782: Pearl Farming, Hinge Fishing Spots, and Worst Game Agency Logos | MeatEater Radio Live!

Date: October 24, 2025
Host: Spencer (plus regulars Randall, Country Cory, Phil, and guests)

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Episode Overview

This lively MeatEater Radio Live episode brings together hosts and a panel of regulars for updates from the hunting field, a whitetail rut report, unique top-three lists, deep dives with fascinating guests—from a pearl farmer in Tahiti to an ingenious "catfishing" for fishing spots expert—and plenty of irreverent, in-the-moment banter. Outdoorsmanship, conservation, humor, and a celebration of wild pursuits run through every segment.

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Table of Contents

• Field Updates: Hunting Recaps & Buffalo Bread Experiment
• Interview: Pearl Farming with Josh Humbert (17:11–33:19)
• Rut Report with Mark Kenyon (37:19–40:27)
• Top Three Lists:
  • Hunters’ Hypocritical Fall Complaints (41:05–43:44)
  • Worst State Game Agency Logos (43:45–51:12)
  • Horror Villains for Hunting Partners (52:06–56:57)
  • Best Post-Hunt Meals (57:06–63:23)
• Interview: Michael Burton Catfishes for Fishing Spots (64:58–74:07)
• Listener Q&A & Outtakes (76:03–82:22)

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Field Updates: Hunt Recaps & Buffalo Bread Experiment

Buffalo Bread Experiment (03:01)

• Randall recounts making "dipui" (buffalo shoulder fat, smoked and fried, historic bread substitute):

  “We found a buffalo from our friends at Northbridger Bison. We cut off the requisite chunks of fat and we followed the instructions... subjected folks to a blind taste test to decide if this is in fact superior to any bread that's ever been made.” (04:00)

• Plenty of in-studio jokes about wine, malt liquor, and the realities of eating historic cuisine.

Hunt Recaps (05:45–10:53)

• Randall and wife Sydney have a successful Eastern Montana antelope hunt with detailed stalking and harvest recap. The narrative celebrates self-reliance and the thrill of the “classic goat encounter”.
  • “She basically did everything on that hunt. She spotted the animal, found him again, turned him up... Other than sort of the navigating on onyx, she did everything, which is really cool.” (07:13)
  • Later, chewing on logistics of dog bathing after the hunt (“cheez whiz isn’t soluble in water”—10:41), and hunting recipes (“We made a classic cumberland sauce. It was cool. Quite tasty.”—09:24)
• Country Cory: Elk season is tough but hopeful, with only a 4% chance of success on opener:

  “Because everybody and their mother... But as the season drags on and it gets colder and snowier, ask me in a couple weeks.” (11:41)

• Spencer: Idaho deer hunt devastated by EHD outbreak; five dead deer found, zero alive on opener. Silver lining—shoots a turkey and harvests a “copy and paste” Montana antelope.

  “On opening day, I saw zero live deer and found five dead ones ... It was just a real bummer.” (12:54)

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Interview: Pearl Farming with Josh Humbert (Kamoka Pearl)

[17:11–33:19]

Background & Origins

• Josh Humbert speaks from his deck in Tahiti—arrived there as a two-year-old with parents escaping America on a homemade boat:

  “My parents built this sailboat out of basically like... chicken wire and rebar and concrete. ... together they built this boat and sailed away with myself and my brother, and two cats, two dogs, and $300.” (17:36–18:38)

• Connection with remote atoll “Ahe” since their accidental arrival, welcomed by the locals. (19:23)

Pearl Farming 101

• Raising oysters from planktonic larvae, growing them to size (approx. 3 years), and implanting to harvest pearls (first in 12 months).

  “It's kind of a labor of love. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of physical labor. But yeah, we, we love it.” (21:25)

Day-to-Day Challenges & Innovation

• Enemies include triggerfish (with “jaw that's so powerful... bite force is like 300 psi. ... They can break an oyster.” [22:30])
• Memorable Moment: Josh, on-air, uses a wrist rocket to shoot pearls at roosters interrupting his audio.

  “You might be the only man in the world that's loading his wrist rocket with pearls. This is fantastic.” (23:40–23:46)

• Oysters now kept in open baskets, letting fish clean them (innovative, labor-saving, boosts productivity 30%). The ecological approach fosters thriving fish and coral communities.

  “Basically, by supporting the parrotfish, we're supporting the reef. And the reef supports this whole other... all these other downstream effects from it...” (25:06–31:00)

Life & Sustainability

• Regular spearfishing for subsistence, recovery from a recent shark attack (“my whole lower leg was offline for, oh, wow. ... I'm back at about 90%”—25:08–25:11)
• Commitment to open-source ecological farming methods for other lagoon farmers.

Find Kamoka Pearl

• “Just Kamoka Pearl, we're on all socials ... My son and I monitor all the socials. ... If people reach out to us, most of the time we'll be able to respond.” (32:35)

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Rut Report with Mark Kenyon (Wired to Hunt)

[37:19–40:27]

• The whitetail rut is ramping up, driven by a nationwide cold front.

  “Lots of daylight activity from mature bucks right now. ... Scraping activity is peaking right now at this time of year, so scrapes are going to have more daylight activity than at almost any other time...” (37:45–38:29)

• Key insight: Early does coming into heat, but majority still to come—“The rut is a bell curve”. (38:29)
• Scrapes, mature bucks, and consistent home-range patterns emphasized.

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Top Three Lists

1. Top Three Hypocritical Complaints Hunters With Families Make in Fall (Country Cory)

[41:05–43:44]

1. Fall Decorations: Hunters gripe about household decorations, but “decorate trees with stands and trail cameras.”
2. Consumerism: Mocking fall fads like pumpkin lattes, but buy gear and watch goofy wild food videos.
3. Family Photos: Complain about family photos but “grip and grins” with buddies post-hunt.

“80% of my camera roll is just used up between October and December.” – Spencer (42:51)

2. Top Three Worst State Game Agency Logos (Spencer)

[43:45–51:12]

• #3: Wisconsin (looks like “the thumbnail for a Super Mario level”)
• #2: Kansas (just boring block text, “lame ass logo”)
• #1: New York (circular, abstract, could be “a bouncy ball”)
• Honorable mentions for many states; suggestion to hold public design contests (“there are cheap, even free alternatives that could fix this problem”—51:10)
• Notable Quotes:

  “Kansas is known for its bison, whitetails, its prairies ... but instead of showing any of that cool stuff, they just have this sterile, lame ass logo.” (46:57–47:25)

3. Top Three Horror Villains You’d Want to Hunt With (Phil)

[52:06–56:57]

• Sam (Trick ‘R Treat): Already comes with hunter’s orange, tiny.
• Freddy Krueger: Advanced knife skills (though logistics discussed!).
• Blair Witch: Knows the woods; leaves stick crafts “so you won’t get lost.”
• Honorable mentions: Leatherface (“sheer enthusiasm”), Edward Cullen (“kills deer for blood”), Hannibal Lecter (“would pair your game meat with the perfect wine”).
• Fun banter about horror movies’ role in hunting culture.

4. Top Three Things to Eat After Elk Hunting (Randall)

[57:06–63:23]

1. Chicken Wings: “Only for the sort of consolation post-hunt meal... You can eat as many as you want and not feel bad about it.”
2. Burger at a local bar
3. Taco Bell: “You can order in volume without feeling guilty...and when I'm out in the woods, I'm sweating a lot. There’s nothing better to put in your body... than Mountain Dew.” (59:51)

• Dive into Mountain Dew varietals—Baja Blast and original rank high.

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Interview: Michael Burton—Finding Fishing Spots Using Dating Apps

[64:58–74:07]

Michael's Innovative Approach

• “Catfishing people, stealing their fishing spots, and then ranking their spots...” Profile is actually his girlfriend’s photos. (65:26)
• He approaches as a newbie seeking advice. Many men willingly share general (mostly well-known) spots; sometimes pranks ensue.
• Notable Quote:

  “Whenever I make a new account ... it's always the name B with the B emoji. ... If you see somebody else asking for fishing spots, they probably are a catfish, but it's not going to be me.” (65:57)

Best and Worst Outcomes

• Highlights: Prank spot high on a cliff actually yields 30+ fish because no one fishes there (69:33)
• Lowlights: Bird “prank” lake—no fish at all, packed with cormorants (68:00), many spots are “kelp traps” where lures get hopelessly stuck.

Lessons In Online Trends

• Most dating app fish pics are standard, but creative backgrounds or poses may indicate true fishing acumen.

Where to Follow

• TikTok: central.oregon.fishing—a self-effacing warning: “I have a very odd sense of humor. ... I'd rather have people who appreciate that sense of humor...” (73:41–73:54)

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Listener Q&A & Live Banter

[76:03–82:22]

• Questions on gun muzzle protection (tape or “muzzle condom”: keeps debris out but doesn't affect ballistics), game meat trauma (cut out bloodshot portions), and post-hunt culinary cravings.
• Commute times are compared for the panel (Randall: 38 min; others: 6–25 min).
• Recommending versatile rifles for Idaho (6.5 Creedmoor, .270, .308, .30-06, .300 Win Mag).
• Behind-the-scenes: How Phil picks songs for parody drop segments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Randall on Buffalo Bread Video:

  “It's for a sophisticated, discerning viewership.” (02:54)

• Josh Humbert (Pearl Farmer):

  “You might be the only man in the world that's loading his wrist rocket with pearls.” – Randall (23:40)

• Mark Kenyon’s Rut Report:

  “The rut is a bell curve. ... Scraping activity is peaking right now at this time of the year, so scrapes are going to have more daylight activity than at almost any other time of the year.” (38:29)

• Michael Burton (fishing via Hinge):

  “They just tell me to go to the same exact spot on Waikiki, which is where all the tourists hang out.” (71:21)

• Spencer on DNR Logos:

  “When I looked at this, it looks like the thumbnail for a Super Mario level to me.” (45:26)

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Tone and Style

The show mixes deep expertise and respect for wild places with offbeat comedy, occasional irreverence, and a consistent current of camaraderie. The panel is quick to celebrate each other, jab with inside jokes, and produce running gags (see: “cheez whiz” dog bath, Taco Bell orders, and an earnest debate about decorative gourds vs. camo in fall).

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Final Thoughts

In this episode, you’ll learn about the resilience and ingenuity of remote pearl farming, get practical hunting and fishing insights (with a heavy dose of real-life unpredictability), laugh at delightfully weird top-three lists, and discover that fishing spot secrecy has officially entered the catfishing era. The banter, crowd engagement, and reverence for the outdoor life run strong from start to finish.

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For more:

• Kamoka Pearl: @kamokapearl (all major socials)
• Michael Burton: @central.oregon.fishing (TikTok)
• Mark Kenyon: Rut Reports and "Wired to Hunt" Podcast
• Watch the Great Buffalo Bread Experiment: MeatEater YouTube

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Transcript

[Spencer]

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[Phil]

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[Host Spencer]

Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Host Spencer]

Welcome to Meat Eater radio live. It's 11am Mountain Time. That's noon o' clock for our friends in Mitchell, South Dakota. Happy opening week of pheasant season to everyone there on Thursday, October 23rd. And we're live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Randall and Corey. On today's show, we'll interview Josh Humbert, a pearl farmer in one of the world's most remote places. Then we have a whitetail rut report from Mark Kenyon, followed by some top three lists. And finally, we'll interview Michael Burton about using dating apps to find fishing spots. But first, we want to remind you that the Blood Trails podcast drops on October 30th on its own feed. That's simply called Blood Trails. This is a new investigative podcast for Meat Eater, hosted by journalist Jordan Sillers. Each episode digs into true crime stories from the world of hunting and fishing. Cases where the woods and the water became the backdrop for violence and mystery. Stories from missing hunters deep in public land to poachers turned killers and fishing trips gone fatally wrong. Blood Trails uncovers the moments when outdoor life collides with homicide. Each story features original reporting, expert insight from detectives, and firsthand accounts from the people who were actually there. The trailer is out right now. You can go watch it on the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel. And again, the first episode drops October.

[Spencer]

30Th on the Blood Trails podcast feed. Very excited for that show. Also, Randall has a plug for you now.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Randall]

I'd like to direct everyone's attention to the. Is it on the main meat eater YouTube channel?

[Country Cory]

It is. It's as live as we are on.

[Randall]

The main meat eater YouTube channel. There is a new video called the Great Buffalo Bread Experiment. And this is sort of a high concept. It's a high concept.

[Host Spencer]

Weed was involved.

[Randall]

No, no. Just, just. It's elevated content. It's for a sophisticated, discerning viewership.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

Essentially, when we were researching both the Mountain Men audiobook and the Hide Hunters audiobook now available for purchase. Shameless Plug. We kept running into descriptions, and you run into descriptions of this substance in any sort of writing about the Great Plains in the early 19th century. A substance called dipui or depuyer.

[Spencer]

How you spell that?

[Randall]

D, E, P, U, I, L, L, E, S. Okay. And. And you get these very vivid descriptions of it. And essentially it's the cap of fat from a buffalo's shoulder. And they prepare it by frying it and then smoking it for a day. And they repeatedly say that it's a substitute for bread. So you're eating some meat, you eat this as your bread. And in fact, we have one account where he says it's superior to any bread that's ever been made. So Steve and I made this.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

And subjected some folks in the office to a blind taste test to decide once and for all whether this is in fact superior to any bread that's ever been made. So this video on the YouTube channel now is called the Great Buffalo Bread Experiment. And we found a. We got a buffalo from our friends at Northbridger Bison. And we cut off the requisite chunks of fat and we followed the instructions to a tee. And you can see the results of that on YouTube now.

[Country Cory]

Okay, so back in the day, they smoked these caps of fat in a Dyneema teepee.

[Randall]

They used a teepee. An actual buffalo skin, buffalo hide teepee.

[Country Cory]

I was wondering if it. If there was a subtle hint of smoked nylon or not.

[Randall]

No, no, I. I don't think that was the problem.

[Host Spencer]

Okay. Not to give too much elevated content.

[Spencer]

Only cool, interesting people.

[Randall]

Yeah, I mean, you know, experimental. Experimental culinary scene.

[Phil]

Yeah. Caleb's asking Randall if you have any wine and cheese recommendation to pair with this elevated content. Maybe some dupuye.

[Randall]

I would say a tall boy of Mickey's. Mickey's Malt Liquor.

[Phil]

Yes.

[Randall]

And some string cheese.

[Country Cory]

Or a can of cheese.

[Randall]

That's what I got. Cheese it. Cheese whiz. Actually, I used quite a bit of that. Try to get my dogs to take a shower with me the other day.

[Host Spencer]

We don't need any more on that.

[Randall]

Well, we'll get some of that in our next segment here.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, so that video is live on YouTube right now.

[Spencer]

And blood trails will be available next week.

[Host Spencer]

All right, fellas, we've been in the field lately. Let's. Let's do some hunt recaps.

[Spencer]

This would make Yanni real happy.

[Host Spencer]

Randall, what you've been up to?

[Randall]

Well, last weekend my wife Sydney and I went antelope hunting. Out in eastern Montana, we did not have any antelope tags last year, so we were excited to get out there because it is our favorite wild game to eat.

[Host Spencer]

And so I feel like that's a hot take.

[Randall]

I feel like the more people you talk to, I feel like it's more common than you'd think.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

Just a. Just an antelope steak, super rare. I love it. But Sydney shot this buck. We had a slow day. The first day was super cold and windy and didn't see a lot of antelope on public land. And then we pulled into a spot the next morning. Sidney glassed this buck from the truck, and I ranged it with my range finder and with the sig binos. And you can drop pin on where you range. So we dropped a pin on him about 1300 yards out and then hopped into this draw and kind of circled all the way around and got up on the little knob that he was on and couldn't see him. And they had all bedded down. So we crawled around on our hands and knees for probably half an hour within 200 yards of these antelope. Finally, she spotted him, just his horns behind the sagebrush. And I was like, I had to tell. I had to ask her, like, point it out to me. Point it out to me. Cause I couldn't see him. And then eventually I got him. We crawled around until we sort of had an angle and then waited for them to stand up. And she ended up shooting that antelope at, like 100 yards, which is super cool. And that was. She basically did everything on that hunt. Like, she spotted the animal. She. Once we got in on it, she. She found him again. She turned him up. And then I was like, do you want me to try to get him to stand up? You know, I'll clap my hands or something. And she's like, no, we'll wait. We'll wait. And then she stood up. So other than sort of the navigating on onyx, she did everything, which is really cool.

[Corey]

Hell, yeah.

[Randall]

And, yeah, that's the dogs. The dogs were waiting in the truck. And on to the next photo. And then I shot this one later that day. We spotted a buck real far away that looked like a dandy, and then dropped into a little draw. And we ended up having to cross this muddy creek a couple times. And eventually I said, we're a mile and a half away. Let's just get up on the flat and book it and then jump back into the draw so we don't have to Cross this creek again. And as we got up onto the flat, there's kind of a little roll. And this guy and some does were bedded there. And I figured a bird in hand is whatever the saying is, so I shot this one. Yeah. And we were close enough to the car. That next slide. Phil, Sydney went and got the dogs while I began the processing work. And you can see there on Rosie, my most prized hound, she's got a little bit of antelope blood on her back because she likes to roll and things.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

And so that gets me to the cheese whiz that I was describing earlier in this episode. The dogs all needed a pretty serious bath after. And so are we about to see.

[Host Spencer]

A picture of you in the shower?

[Randall]

Nope, nope, nope. But you will see on the next slide, that was our dinner when we got back is beautiful. Two back straps from one of the antelope. Cal and Sam came over and we just pan fried them and we made a sauce called Cumberland sauce, which is like a classic. It's like a classic steak sauce that's sort of a cranberry. It's almost like cranberry sauce, but it's like a drizzle glaze type thing. And it was cool. Quite tasty.

[Corey]

Yum.

[Host Spencer]

Very good.

[Randall]

So, yeah, it was a great start to the fall season and getting ready for some more here.

[Host Spencer]

Good couple days of animal p. Classic goat encounters.

[Randall]

Oh, yeah. Oh, and then the highlight probably was we were driving down a two track and bumped a little covey of sage grouse. So there were probably about 10 birds that looked like, you know, kickballs with feathers.

[Spencer]

And you still got that trivia question wrong yesterday. Or were they not greater sage grouse?

[Randall]

No, they were. They were greater sage grouse.

[Host Spencer]

I don't think I've ever seen one in person.

[Randall]

Oh, they're unbelievable. They're so big.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Randall]

And they just bumped up and went about 40 yards away and put down again. And then we. We sat there and took a bunch of video of them. And. Super cool. I've seen a couple of them just, you know, deer and antelope hunting.

[Host Spencer]

I don't think we got a conclusion.

[Spencer]

To the cheese whiz thing.

[Randall]

Well, it worked at first, but then they all got. They all got really mad when the water turned on.

[Host Spencer]

Explain to me what happened. You put cheez whiz, like on the.

[Spencer]

Shower door or what?

[Randall]

Yeah. So we have like a walk in shower with a glass door. And so I put a bunch of cheez whiz on the floor and then pushed them towards It. And they all attacked the Cheez Whiz. And then I turned the water. I shut the door, turned the water on. But then Cheez Whiz isn't really soluble in water.

[Host Spencer]

Oh, okay.

[Randall]

So there was actually quite a bit of grout cleaning that was required afterwards. I don't recommend it. I'm working on a new solution, but we don't bathe our. Our dogs regularly, so I don't have that programmed out.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

Try whipped cream.

[Host Spencer]

That's a good one.

[Country Cory]

It's easy, clean.

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Yep.

[Host Spencer]

All right.

[Randall]

That's what I gott.

[Host Spencer]

Country Cory, what you been up to, man?

[Country Cory]

I've had a very exciting fall, but exciting, yet unsuccessful so far. Been chasing elk all September and a little bit into October. A lot of close encounters, trying to get a few buddies into elk, but haven't flung an arrow. And archery season has come and gone. Rifle, big game General rifle opens this Saturday, so I'm excited.

[Spencer]

Two days from now.

[Country Cory]

Give her hell with a rifle.

[Spencer]

You're going to be out there?

[Randall]

Oh, yeah.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Country Cory]

Got a few trips planned. Hopefully don't need to even go back out later in the season. I just have a deer and an elk tag in my pocket, so I haven't drawn antelope in a few years.

[Randall]

So that's because you're not putting in for the right units.

[Host Spencer]

Well, also, what are the odds you kill.

[Spencer]

Kill an elk this weekend?

[Country Cory]

This week?

[Host Spencer]

Put a number on this weekend?

[Country Cory]

Pretty low.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

Because everybody and their mother. But it's more like 4%.

[Randall]

Oh, yeah.

[Country Cory]

But as the season drags on and it gets colder and snowier, ask me in a couple weeks.

[Host Spencer]

Have you ever killed one on a rifle opener?

[Country Cory]

Yes.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

Back my very first elk when I was 13.

[Randall]

Nice.

[Spencer]

All right.

[Country Cory]

Just in the right place at the right time. Caught him while he was running away from other people.

[Randall]

That is the advantage of opener. They're where they were for opening morning. They're where they were the past week, and then they're just all over the.

[Country Cory]

Place, running somewhere else.

[Randall]

Yep.

[Host Spencer]

Last week I was in Idaho for a bit. I had a deer tag there for their opener. I had read reports going into the.

[Spencer]

Hunt that the unit I was going to be in had EHD reports. I'd seen things on Facebook about that.

[Host Spencer]

Part of the state having EHD but it's like, at that point, you have the tag.

[Spencer]

There's no, like, refunding the tag in Idaho like some other states have when this sort of thing happened. So I was like, I'm committed. I'm Going.

[Host Spencer]

And I went. And it was worse than I could have possibly imagined. Last year, I had the same hunt.

[Spencer]

And I saw, I think, more deer on that hunt than my other, like, four hunts combined.

[Host Spencer]

It was just like that.

[Spencer]

Plentiful with whitetails.

[Host Spencer]

This year, on opening day, I saw.

[Spencer]

Zero live deer and found five dead ones. We've got a picture of one of them here, including two bucks that would have been, no doubt, shooters.

[Host Spencer]

This buck, he almost made it.

[Spencer]

He got out of velvet, meaning he survived, revived into September. The season opened in. In October there. But he. He died of EHD at some point in that month prior. And then I found it. You know, a couple does. This is like a textbook scene of ehd. When a deer has ehd, they only make it. I think it's like one or two days. In those final hours, they have a very high fever where they are just boiling from the inside. So they seek out water, you know, hoping to feel better. And so you'll find deer that just die near water or in water. Here were two does about 10 yards apart that had died in a pond. And then I found another buck that would have been a shooter as well. This guy did not make it out of velvet, though. So he died probably sometime in August because his antlers were fully formed. He didn't have, like, the hot dog points that those deer will have in, you know, June and July. So he. He seemed to almost make it as well, but it was just a real bummer.

[Host Spencer]

I did have a consolation prize. Turkey.

[Spencer]

You can kill a hen there in the fall, and I have zero turkey in the freezer.

[Host Spencer]

I was not going to pass up.

[Spencer]

A hen, so I shotgunned that thing not too far from camp.

[Host Spencer]

And then when I got home, I.

[Spencer]

Also had an antelope tag in eastern.

[Host Spencer]

Montana, Drove out there and killed a buck.

[Spencer]

And so he is in my freezer as well.

[Host Spencer]

That is just what I've been referring to as a copy and paste antelope. That's the kind of buck that's just like, copy and pasted all over the.

[Spencer]

Prairie in antelope country.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, he looks like every antelope.

[Randall]

I call that an antelope. That looks like an antelope.

[Spencer]

Yes.

[Randall]

Which is often my target.

[Host Spencer]

I think the three of us could.

[Spencer]

Bring all of our antelope skulls in here and mix them up and try to, you know, find out whose is whose. And we'd.

[Host Spencer]

We'd be as successful as we would.

[Spencer]

Be blind is my guess, because that's just like, that's what an antelope Buck looks like.

[Randall]

Yep. Yeah.

[Host Spencer]

Still fun to hunt, though. And especially coming out of my Idaho hunt, where I saw zero deer on opening day.

[Spencer]

When you have an antelope tag, you're, like, just guaranteed to see antelope.

[Randall]

Oh, yeah.

[Spencer]

It's so refreshing that, like, you know you're going to see your target.

[Randall]

It's a fun hunt and you can hunt all day. You're not, like, waking up at the crack of dawn. So.

[Country Cory]

What a bummer in Idaho, though.

[Host Spencer]

I hear it is a bummer. So there's, like, a few silver linings. They quickly recover. It's not like CWD where once you.

[Spencer]

Have it, you just have it. In most cases, those herds can. Can bounce back in two to three years. Um, they also develop an immunity to EHD that lasts what I've read is from like, seven to ten years.

[Host Spencer]

So that that unit will be okay.

[Spencer]

The state will be fine.

[Host Spencer]

But I feel bad for, obviously the.

[Spencer]

Deer, the hunters who are local to there, and then the biologists who have to deal with the deer, and the hunters who are upset about the whole situation. There's just, like, no wind.

[Country Cory]

So I believe there's a similar situation up in north central Montana.

[Host Spencer]

Happening.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Randall]

And Ohio has got EHD really bad right now.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah. We had an Ohio or an EHD.

[Spencer]

Report from Kip Adams a few weeks ago, and I think Ohio was the low l of the whole report because they. They are dominating the rest of the country right now as far as EHD numbers go.

[Host Spencer]

All right, let's get on the show and do our first interview.

[Randall]

Joining us on the line first is pearl farmer Josh Humbert. He is the owner of Kamoka Pearl, which is located in one of the most remote places on Earth. Josh, welcome to the show.

[Josh Humbert]

Hey, guys, thank you for having me. It's exciting to be here, and we.

[Randall]

Appreciate you waking up so early. Can you tell us where you're speaking to us from today?

[Josh Humbert]

So I'm actually speaking to you from my deck in Tahiti. We have a home in the town of Chopo, where the Olympics were. I was supposed to be at the farm for this, but I've come to Tahiti a little bit early, have some TT to do. And I got bit by a shark last year.

[Podcast Announcer]

Oh, whoa.

[Josh Humbert]

I'm still doing some of the. Some of the rehab stuff, but I also had. Had pearls to bring, and the pearls that I'm working on right now.

[Randall]

Wow.

[Josh Humbert]

So, yeah, I just kind of got. Got my hands full and. And. And so here I am. I'm not. I'm not on, on the, the atoll, which is called ahe and it's, it's, uh, in the very northern, uh, the very northwest corner of the, the Somathes. So, yeah, it's kind of the last, the last atoll going north.

[Randall]

Gotcha. And so what is your family's connection to this place? How did you end up in that part of the world?

[Josh Humbert]

So we arrived there on a sailboat when I was 2 years old. My parents built this sailboat in, in the, the backyard of the house they were renting in in Torrance, California. My dad's French, my mom's American. And so they built this, this boat out of basically like whatever they could find. You know, the, it was basically made of chicken wire and rebar and concrete. And they built this boat on complete shoestring budget. It didn't have any money at all. My dad actually pulled the coordinates from Wooden Boat magazine. I don't know if anyone's familiar, but it was just, just numbers, you know, just numbers on a page and, and, and he like, whatever figured all out and, and together they, they built this boat and, and sailed away with, with myself and my brother, who's three years older than me, and, and two cats, two dogs, and, and 300, basically.

[Randall]

Wow.

[Josh Humbert]

And, uh, and so we sailed down to, uh, to Baja, lived there for almost two years, and then from there went down to French Polynesia with the intent of going to Tahiti. But we stopped in on this, this asshole on the way and the locals took us in and, and really treat us like, like family. And so we kind of put roots down there. And my, my dad gutted the sailboat and turned it into a saline freezer basically so that, so that he could take the fish that the locals would catch and.

[Phil]

Should pop back in in.

[Josh Humbert]

A second price for it.

[Randall]

Gotcha.

[Josh Humbert]

So basically. Sorry, go ahead.

[Randall]

I was going to say, for listeners who might not be familiar with French Polynesia, can you talk about just how remote we're, you know, like, place this on a globe, relatively speaking, and how remote your, your atoll is from, say, Tahiti.

[Josh Humbert]

So we're about 200 miles north of Tahiti. And. Yeah, there we are.

[Corey]

Cool.

[Josh Humbert]

Okay, cool. You hold on to our videos. Yeah, so it's very remote. We're 3, 500 miles from, from the west coast of the U.S. i actually sailed there last year with my dad. And yeah, it took, it took a month to get there.

[Randall]

Wow.

[Josh Humbert]

So, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's quite a ways out there now.

[Randall]

So you're in the pearl farming business. Can you walk us through the basics of pearl farming? What does the process actually look like?

[Josh Humbert]

So basically you, you have to collect your, your oyster when it's, when it's still like it at its planktonic stage. Basically you set out what we call collectors at a certain time of year and they swim in, they start life as swimming larvae and they seek out a good place to colonize and they grow up there. So once we do that, the oysters grow up basically to a certain size. It takes about almost three years to get them to the size of which you can do what you see here in the video, which is the implanting and the harvesting. The first Pearl takes about 12 months to harvest. That's what you see there. So it's quite a process. It's kind of a labor of love. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of physical, physical labor. But yeah, we, we love it.

[Randall]

So who are your primary buyers? Are you selling to to consumers directly or jewelers or collectors or what's the structure of the, the market there?

[Josh Humbert]

We sell to, to people all around the world. I mean, we probably sell more in the, in the US than, than anywhere because that's kind of what our, our marketing targets are. But we literally sell pearls to any country that's safe to send stuff to. So yeah, I mean the, the primary market would be the U.S. but that's probably because, you know, we focus a lot of our, our ad spend on, on, on, on the US market. You know, our, our videos are all in English and, and that's definitely like the market that we focus on most.

[Randall]

Gotcha. I imagine that there's sort of a romantic notion of pearl farming in a tropical paradise here, but what are the day to day challenges of your operation?

[Josh Humbert]

Our biggest challenge would be just keeping our oysters safe. We have to keep them safe from fish. You can see in our, in our videos you'll see the oysters hanging in these long baskets and basically the, the trigger fish, they're kind of our, our enemy number one. They're, they're, they're really smart. And I don't know if you guys know what trigger fish are, but it's a fish about, about 10 pounds or so and it has a, a jaw that's so powerful. I think the, the bite force is like 300 psi. Wow. So they, they can, yeah, they can just rip through just about anything and they, they can break an oyster, which is pretty impressive because you can take a hammer and it's hard to break. An oyster, like, they have so much integrity. Like, this way. Sorry, we got some.

[Country Cory]

I thought I saw a wrist rocket.

[Host Spencer]

What are we doing there? What just happened?

[Josh Humbert]

There's. There's roosters around, and I keep. I keep some. Some. Some like, shit pearls on hand.

[Randall]

You might be the only man in the world that's loading his wrist rocket with pearls. This is fantastic.

[Host Spencer]

For those listening, Josh just loaded a slingshot and shot it during the interview at a rooster who was encroaching on his audio. Good on you, Josh.

[Randall]

Sorry, go ahead, Go ahead.

[Josh Humbert]

No, I was just saying that there's too many of them around and we need to do a little rooster call and have some cocoa event. I don't know if you guys are.

[Randall]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh Humbert]

Our chefs or not, but. Yeah.

[Randall]

So. So as far as, like, protecting your oysters, are you guys doing a lot of diving and. And fishing or spear fishing? I mean, what's the. What's that look like?

[Josh Humbert]

So we. We do do a lot of spearfishing. That's basically how we feed ourselves. We, you know, it's. It's remote and. And we. We do get stuff on a. Like a. A weekly or. Or every other week supply ship. But we definitely. We like to eat fish. You know, we are. We are meat eaters. More fish than. Than. Than land meat. But. But yeah, we fish literally every. Every single day. And yeah, we, We, We. We. We usually go spearfishing.

[Corey]

That.

[Josh Humbert]

That's kind of our. Our go to. And it's generally pretty safe. Like I said, I got. I got bit last November, which I don't recommend.

[Randall]

Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. It was.

[Corey]

That.

[Randall]

Was that a spearfishing encounter?

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah, Yeah, I was. I was spearfishing with friends, and the shark came straight up on me and grabbed my. My, My, my calf and kind of like, pulled me down. And I, I got. So we. We put. We. We put two tourniquets on it, but we. We put the tourniquets right on the. The peroneal nerve, which I don't know if your audience knows not, but that. That's the. The big nerve that services your whole lower leg. And it's the one of the few places where you're not supposed to put a tourniquet. And, and so my, My whole lower leg was offline for. Oh, wow. Yeah, I wasn't sure if I. If I'd walk again. It was. It was all pretty. Pretty scary. But I'm walking now, and I'm pretty good for the most part. I'm back at about 90% but, but yeah, sorry, I did not mean to get derailed. We're talking about pearls. Yeah. So it's just, I mean, that's spear vision. It's part of our life and, and it's, it's what we do. It's, it's how we, we, we feed ourselves. But as far as the oysters, they need to be kept safe from the trigger fish, from the sea turtles and the big leopard rays. And we do that by keeping them in baskets. And we've actually had some really interesting developments with that recently. So for years now, we take our fish to shallow water where there's, or I'm sorry, we take our oysters to shallow water where there's lots of fish and, and the fish come around and clean, clean all the, all the stuff that grows on them. And that's really cool because that's basically like, it's, it's a way to get the oysters clean and it's also a way to support our local ecology. We've been doing that for 30 years now. And there's more fish, more, more life in our area than anywhere in the whole, the whole atoll. And so that's been a real source of pride for us just to see that, like, our work can actually be regenerative to the, to the lagoon ecology. But recently we've kind of taken that to another level where we, we keep our oysters in zones that are relatively shallow. And the, we, what we, what everyone does, they close the basket so that, so the sugarcase can't get in and pull the oysters out. But what, what we did, we kind of, kind of took a risk on it about a year ago and we started opening the baskets and just like attaching the first, the first oyster is a little bit deeper down in the basket. And the thinking is that if it was a little bit deeper down, that's going to be able to pull them out. And, and, and it worked. And so it's basically like cut our labor by about 50%, which is a lot, you know, significance. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of your audience are farmers and I'm sure they could, they could really appreciate what, what that means. And it also increased our, our productivity, basically the, the rate at which the oysters grow by about 30%, which is massive. And so anyway, yeah, it's really exciting and, and we basically consider all this stuff open source. Like, we, we want other people to be doing this. Like we're, you know, we, we communicate on it through our, our channel, Instagram, Facebook, tick tock. YouTube and the whole, you know, the best thing that we can do is share what we're doing with other people and hope that. That other farmers do it too, because the more, the more farmers do this, the more the lagoon ecology will prosper. Basically, the number one fish that cleans our oysters are parrot fish. And so by supporting the parrotfish, you're actually supporting the coral as well. What parrotfish do is they go around and they graze on. I mean, they, you know, they eat different things, but one thing that they do is they, they graze on. On, on the, the algae that grows on dead coral. So what that does is it, it enables the coral to. To keep growing. Like, if. If the coral gets colonized by algae, it can't. It can't. It can't grow. So when the paraphish come by and clean it up, then. Then the, the coral prospers. So basically, by supporting the. Yeah, by supporting the parrot fish, we're supporting the reef. And the reef supports this whole other, you know, there's all these other downstream effects from it and basically, like, basically figure this out. Like, like. I like to think in terms of permaculture. You know, the first tenet of permaculture is that before you do anything, you, you observe, you know, you watch. And I just, I, I had this moment years ago when we were, you know, a lot of years ago. I've been doing this for, yeah, 30, 30 some years now, but I had this moment where we were. We brought a bunch of oysters in that were dirty to the farm, to the, the temporary platform that's there, and we're, you know, we hung all the oysters in the morning, and then throughout the morning, we, we went through them and, and cleaned them and. And you know, it's really, it's really labor intensive. You're, you're scraping all this stuff off the oyster and you got like, like stuff splattering in your face and stuff. Some of it itches and things, and it's just, it's. It's not, it's not fun work at all. Yeah. And. And then at noon, like, we, you know, we stopped for lunch and then we went back out and we started working again. And I went to go get a string and I pulled it out of the water and I'm like, it's clean. You know, like. And it was something that we'd noticed before, but I just had this, this epiphany that's like this real, the classic aha moment where I was like, Wait a minute. What are we doing? Like, why are we scraping these oysters when the fish are there and they're ready and willing to do this work for us? And so from then on, we just kind of went all in with, with the whole concept of fish cleaning. And we built out all these, all these structures underwater in shallow zones where there's lots of fish that were like, kind of like big, like spider webs. And we'd hang all the baskets from, from, from those platforms and the fish would come around and, and, and clean them all up and then we take them back out to the line like a couple days later. Cool stuff. And then so now, like, we basically, like, took that idea and then, and then went further with it by opening the baskets. And it sounds so stupid, like, oh, just open the baskets. But you know, like, when you lose so much money from the, from the predation of the fish, you get really kind of shy of, of doing things like that. So. Sure, that's what we've been doing and it's been working really well. And I know, hopefully I'm not, I'm not not talking too much.

[Randall]

No, that's great. Josh, you mentioned earlier that you run an Instagram and you do some, some communication and outreach. If folks want to learn more about Comoca pearl and your work, where can they find you?

[Josh Humbert]

Just Kamoka Pro. We're on all, all socials and yeah, just look us up anywhere. We, my son and I monitor all the, all the socials. He, he does most of the posting and I answer the comments and, and respond to questions and stuff. And so we're, you know, we're there, we're very easy to find. And so if people reach out to us, most of the time we'll be able to respond. Unless we're in a place where we can't do that or like sometimes we have stuff that goes viral and we just get inundated. I'm sure you guys know what that's like.

[Randall]

Sure. Well, Josh, thank you for waking up early again. I know it's early there and joining us on the show and sharing with folks about your world. We appreciate it. Great to meet you.

[Host Spencer]

Thanks, Josh.

[Josh Humbert]

Awesome. Nice to meet you guys. Thank you very much.

[Country Cory]

No, no, no.

[Spencer]

What was that?

[Country Cory]

That's how you say goodbye in Tahitian.

[Host Spencer]

Did you know that or did you Google it?

[Country Cory]

I had time to Google it.

[Host Spencer]

It's a great contribution to the show. Cory, I'm glad you thought of doing Sharp.

[Corey]

Corey.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, I want some of those, those pearls, dude. Rolling around in a slingshot.

[Randall]

I just. I want to see that. I just want to see that place.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Sounds wild.

[Country Cory]

Sounds beautiful.

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[Host Spencer]

Right, next up, we have a rut report.

[Phil]

Holy shit.

[Randall]

White tail run.

[Host Spencer]

Can't believe it's already here.

[Randall]

Kevin's gonna tell you what you should do about the tags you buy. Kiss your wife and kids goodbye.

[Podcast Announcer]

Here we go.

[Randall]

They don't decide to desert you.

[Host Spencer]

Here is Mark Kenyon with your whitetail update for this weekend.

[Spencer]

Take it away, Phil.

[Josh Humbert]

Hey, guys.

[Mark Kenyon]

Mark Kenyon here with Wired to Hunt, and I'm coming at you with another one of our rut reports here for October 23rd. And I'm reporting from the windy, blustery, and quickly cooling corn fields of southern Michigan. What I'm experiencing here is something that many hunters across the country are, which is this cold front that's moving across the country. And that's good news for hunters because deer are definitely on their feet, getting a lot of reports of even daylight activity from mature bucks right now. So take advantage of this weather system if you can. I've also been getting reports of a couple early does coming into heat. This is earlier than usual for most parts of the country. I wouldn't expect that to be a trend, but it is something to just keep an eye out.

[Josh Humbert]

You know, the.

[Mark Kenyon]

The rut is a bell curve. So there's a few that are going to come into heat early, and then most come in that mid November time period, and then a few off in the back end, too. So that's all beginning to rise right now. Scraping activity is peaking right now at this time of the year, so scrapes are going to have more daylight activity than at almost any other time of the year. So keep an eye on scrapes. Keep an eye out for that early doe that maybe can get the Bucks in your area really feeling ready and otherwise count on more daylight activity right now from your local deer than maybe you've seen over the last three weeks. But they will likely still be in their home turf, sticking relatively close to the patterns you've been observing over the last few weeks. So it's a great time to be in the woods. I wish you luck and I will be back in two weeks for another rut report.

[Randall]

That's a pretty good camo pattern for that cornfield. Blends right in.

[Country Cory]

Dry earth.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Country Cory]

Oh, maybe that's walnut. Either way, it looks good on you, Mark.

[Randall]

Yeah. Disappears.

[Host Spencer]

Feeling inspired after. After Mark's little report there. I love this time of year because it's like, it is very good hunting right now, but the best is still yet to come. So you've like got. You've got weeks of really good movement.

[Spencer]

To look forward to. And it's like just starting at this.

[Country Cory]

Moment that's just giving me goosebumps. Just you hearing you say that.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Host Spencer]

For the best up to date whitetail movement information, go listen to Rut Fresh on the Wired to Hunt podcast feed. New episodes drop every week and have rut reports from hunters across the country. Also, Mark is really excited about his newest episode of Wired hunt. That's episode 963, featuring a deep dive into the lessons of Roger Rothar. Mark calls him the influencer of today's whitetail influencers.

[Spencer]

Again, that's episode 963 on the Wired Hunt feed.

[Country Cory]

And let's not forget about Whitetail Edu every Wednesday on the Meteor Clips Channel.

[Randall]

Nice.

[Spencer]

Mark and Tony make those.

[Country Cory]

Mark, Tony and.

[Josh Humbert]

Yep.

[Phil]

What is it? Whitetail week.

[Josh Humbert]

What's going on?

[Host Spencer]

They're answering all the whitetail questions you.

[Spencer]

Didn'T know you had and the ones you do have.

[Host Spencer]

All right, our next segment is top threes.

[Phil]

We're just hitting all the drops back to back.

[Corey]

Good free.

[Host Spencer]

Good camera work by Phil as well, you know.

[Phil]

Yeah, yeah. We. We make do with what we have in this room.

[Host Spencer]

All right, this week, we have all brought our own top three lists. Corey, start us off. What are you ranking today?

[Corey]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

I had a lot of help last evening with my beautiful wife Sarah after a couple glasses of wine. So this one's for you, honey. This is the top three hypocritical complaints hunters with families make in the fall.

[Corey]

Okay? So very specific.

[Country Cory]

Let's think about those honeydews or stuff your spouse may ask you to do in the fall. All the while, all you're thinking about is Hunting. Sure. So, number three, fall decorations that might annoy the crap out of some. You know, some spouses might go a little over the top with fall decorations, but hunters are awfully hypocritical about it because, boy, they go decorate trees with stands and ladders and trail cameras. Gearing yourself up for your fall hunting season? Yeah, kind of the same.

[Host Spencer]

I just punt on Halloween and Thanksgiving.

[Spencer]

And then we just go all in on Christmas.

[Josh Humbert]

Oh, boy.

[Spencer]

That's an easy compromise for us.

[Randall]

I just recommend living someplace where no one trick or treats at your house.

[Host Spencer]

That's so easy, though. Yeah, you just turn on the lights.

[Spencer]

Put a bowl of candy.

[Randall]

Not if you have three dogs.

[Josh Humbert]

Oh. Oh, yeah.

[Host Spencer]

That's probably why you moved.

[Randall]

Kind of miserable.

[Corey]

Yeah.

[Country Cory]

Well, number two, consumerism in the fall. So who else rolls their eyes when they hear any excitement about pumpkin spice lattes, flannel pajamas, scarves, holiday Hallmark TV shows? Okay, but we as hunters are fed the same outdoor gear commercials. And we all could admit we buy unnecessary gear all the time.

[Spencer]

We watch silly videos about eating bison bread, stuff like that just consumed.

[Country Cory]

And number one, which I do have a photo for, fall family photos that might get up in the way, but.

[Randall]

Oh, I was wondering how this one.

[Country Cory]

Fit in us as hunters. We're out there with the grip and grins with the boys.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, this is, like, probably 80% of my camera roll is just used up between October and December.

[Josh Humbert]

Yep.

[Country Cory]

There's a photo of Spencer's awesome bull elk that he shot last year on opening day of rifle season with some good buddies of his, including myself, in the back.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Country Cory]

What a beautiful fall family portrait that would be.

[Host Spencer]

That's right. Imagine if it was you and your wife and kids there.

[Corey]

Boy, this is.

[Country Cory]

Imagine this is a.

[Phil]

If this were. If this were a boy band, which one of you would be the hot one and which one of you would be the badass?

[Host Spencer]

Oh, we're all the hot badasses.

[Randall]

I think the one that's totally washed out by the sun would be the one that got kicked out of the ban. It's like a bad airbrush job.

[Host Spencer]

That's Ben.

[Spencer]

Sorry, Ben.

[Host Spencer]

You've been booted from the band.

[Country Cory]

That was a fun day.

[Randall]

Boy, this was a deep. This is a deep sort of top three.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Very sophisticated.

[Host Spencer]

I like.

[Spencer]

I like when we are specific and niche things.

[Mark Kenyon]

Thanks, y'.

[Country Cory]

All.

[Spencer]

Well done, Corey.

[Randall]

All right.

[Host Spencer]

I am ranking the top three worst state game agency logos.

[Spencer]

If you listen to this show, you'll know that I did the three best.

[Host Spencer]

A few months ago. Now I am going to do the three worst. There are 11 states who flat out have not tried with their logo. It'd be one thing if it was bad design, but it's not even that, because these logos just simply have no design. It actually made me angry looking at these, because the outdoors are so beautiful and aesthetic and inspiring, and that should be represented in these logos, but it's not.

[Spencer]

They just simply have no personality at all.

[Host Spencer]

So let's see the list here. Number three. We start with number three.

[Phil]

Phil, I just want to make sure. Because it's kind of confusing, because usually when you. We have an order in the slideshow, you label it 1, 2, 3. But for top threes, you want to start with 3.

[Host Spencer]

Let's start with 3.

[Phil]

Why don't you just tell me the state and make sure I got the right one?

[Host Spencer]

Number three is the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources.

[Phil]

I'm just trying to clarify things. Did I sound angry? Was that rude of.

[Randall]

No, no, no.

[Host Spencer]

Wisconsin's logo is not only really bad, but it's really weird. And it's not weird in a good way. It's got black land with blue water clouds that don't really make sense. Then it's got trees that are identical to your mouse cursor. And within those trees, there's a giant red W, which is the only thing that's even remotely Wisconsin about this logo. Wisconsin has the sixth most anglers, the fifth most hunters, and no one is more proud of their big giant bucks. But you wouldn't know any of that by looking at this dreadful logo. They deserve something better than this, which, when I looked at this, it looks like the thumbnail for a Super Mario level to me. That's what I see.

[Randall]

I mean, it's not at all reflective of the Midwestern sensibility that I would expect from the Wisconsin dnr.

[Host Spencer]

No.

[Randall]

I feel like Wisconsin is a state I associate with some sort of traditional values. You know, the Aldo Leopold. Right. Like, what are we doing here?

[Corey]

Yeah. They just.

[Host Spencer]

They have so much to work with, and they have used none of it. And the giant red W, that's, like, even more. More Mario adjacent. That looks like a WARIO logo to me. I just don't get what Wisconsin was doing.

[Randall]

Get out of my game, boy.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Oh, no. That's my Mario.

[Corey]

Thank you.

[Host Spencer]

All right, number two is the Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks. This logo looks like the Designer waited until 10 minutes before the deadline to even start, because they couldn't have possibly put in any less effort. It's just text that says Kansas Department of Wildlife and Parks in Times New Roman or something that looks like Times New Roman. And then they have some stars and their state motto. What's that state motto say, Phil?

[Randall]

Ad astra per aspera.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

To the stars from the mud to.

[Host Spencer]

The stars through hardships.

[Corey]

Very good.

[Host Spencer]

I think it can be interpreted well.

[Randall]

Yeah, that's the. That's the literal Latin. And it's also the tagline of Pall Mall cigarettes.

[Phil]

Really?

[Host Spencer]

Do you smoke those?

[Randall]

I've smoked a couple Pall Mall cigarettes, yes. And I always was tickled when I looked at a pack of Pall Mall.

[Phil]

Because they take you to the Star for aspira.

[Host Spencer]

That is great marketing.

[Phil]

Really intense.

[Corey]

Did it.

[Host Spencer]

Did it have the translation on the pack or did it just have the.

[Spencer]

The Latin?

[Randall]

I don't remember Latin and Eng.

[Josh Humbert]

The same to me.

[Host Spencer]

So that is some good barroom wisdom. You can drop it.

[Randall]

Anybody? I can't believe I got to pull that one today.

[Host Spencer]

Very nice. Now, Kansas is known for its bison, whitetails, its prairies. The world record flathead catfish was caught there. But instead of showing any of that cool stuff, they just have this sterile, lame ass logo.

[Spencer]

Come on, Kansas. Such a. Such a disappointment.

[Host Spencer]

And number one is the New York Department of Environmental Conservation. New York has a roundell logo, which just means that it's a circle like Target or Pepsi or Starbucks. Usually roundels have less personality to begin with, but then New York's is just an absolute dud. It's got flat blue water, green mountains, and then a white sky that turns to a blue sky. For some reason. If you remove the words New York Department of Environmental Conservation from this logo, you'd have no idea what it is. Now. I don't even think you would know.

[Spencer]

The orientation of the logo if it's.

[Host Spencer]

Like supposed to be upside down or.

[Phil]

Sideways or what's going like a bouncy ball you get out of a vending machine.

[Host Spencer]

There you go.

[Corey]

That's.

[Host Spencer]

That's just how ambiguous this is. New York has the Finger Lakes, all kinds of game animals, plus they have the availability of all the aquatic creatures. Whales, sharks, Atlantic sturgeon. And they ignore all of that for this sad depiction of nature.

[Spencer]

Shame on you, New York.

[Host Spencer]

You have so much potential for a badass logo, but instead you have the.

[Spencer]

Worst one in the country.

[Host Spencer]

And then I've got a bunch of honorable mentions here. Phil, let's pull those up. We have the Connecticut Department of Energy and Environmental Protection. Their logo is awful. And they even did a redesign in 2022, and that's the best they could come up with. Illinois, just zero character. Looks like the logo for a publishing agency or maybe an orange juice brand.

[Spencer]

I don't know. Just.

[Host Spencer]

Just really terrible stuff. Indiana, Their DNR logo is maybe the worst in the country. They do have a brand specifically for the Fish and Wildlife Management that does have a logo of a fish and a duck, but it still sucks. Iowa, no personality. I actually don't hate Iowa's. I kind of like the colors and the font, but it's.

[Spencer]

It's still a bad, ugly logo.

[Host Spencer]

Michigan, Bad logo. Also a weird choice to include three Great Lakes in their logo. Superior, Michigan, and Huron. Even though the state touches a fourth great Lake, Lake Erie. I'd be pissed if I was Lake Erie. You know what? I think Lake Erie is too good for Michigan. This. This logo tells me that they don't appreciate it enough. So I'm going to take Lake Erie away from Michigan and give it all to Ohio.

[Country Cory]

They.

[Host Spencer]

They don't deserve it.

[Spencer]

They.

[Host Spencer]

They deserve better because they can't even get shown in the logo with the.

[Spencer]

Other three great Lakes that touch the state. Man.

[Host Spencer]

Then we have North Carolina and Texas. These logos are similar. It's text only. Honestly, I don't hate them quite as much as the others. They look outdoorsy at least. And then we have Minnesota Terrible logo, created in 2016 as part of a statewide program. It's lame and boring, but I want to share this. I went to their Facebook page to see what people were saying when the logo change happened, because these groups always have to change their profile picture. And when their profile picture change happened, there was only one single comment on that photo.

[Spencer]

Please show it, Phil.

[Host Spencer]

It was Jeff Dale. He asked three years ago, are hot dogs legal to use for ice fishing? And sadly, nobody has responded to Jeff. So if you know the answer for Jeff, please go to the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources Facebook page, look at the post from when they changed their profile picture in 2021, and let Jeff know if hot dogs are legal or.

[Spencer]

Not for ice fishing.

[Host Spencer]

Those are the three worst logos.

[Spencer]

And then eight honorable mentions.

[Host Spencer]

And here's like, my suggestion to these 11 states hold a contest for a logo redesign. You could be open to the general public, could be for an arts program at a college. It could be a local school. States do this all the time with flag redesigns. That's how Minnesota and Alaska have wound up with two of the best state flags. You don't have to be like Oklahoma and pay an agency $100,000, which is what they did in 2022. There are cheap, even free alternatives that.

[Spencer]

Could fix this problem.

[Mark Kenyon]

Wow.

[Randall]

Did you ever read the column on page two of ESPN.com called Uni Watch?

[Host Spencer]

I read it a little bit. I had less familiarity with that than.

[Spencer]

When it became a Twitter account because they have great tweets covering all of the uniforms that happen in pro sports and amateur.

[Randall]

This is very reminiscent of uniwatch.

[Host Spencer]

I like looking at these things.

[Randall]

Powerful emotions about something that most people don't think twice about.

[Spencer]

Vexology is studying flag design. I really enjoy that as well.

[Host Spencer]

And I've always been disappointed that I've.

[Spencer]

Lived in states that usually have really crappy flags. Like Montana's is just the state seal, which unless if you're, like, 16 inches away from it, you have no idea what you're looking at. So I'd love Montana if they would fix that state flag.

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah.

[Host Spencer]

All right, let's do our next top three. I think we are going to do. Who, Phil next?

[Phil]

Yeah, I think it's my turn, Phil. Yep. Yep. Again. Well, not again, but I mean, again. I'm bringing something stupid and weird, but, you know, perfect. It's the holiday season, the spooky Halloween. I'm wearing my Jack O Lantern sweater. Corey got mad at me for wearing it a week early.

[Country Cory]

Not mad.

[Phil]

So I decided to make my top three list of horror, villain, horror movie villains I would want to go hunting with.

[Randall]

Ooh.

[Josh Humbert]

All right.

[Phil]

This is coming from someone who can count the number of animals he's shot on one hand, but I think I can still bring a lot to the table.

[Corey]

Okay.

[Spencer]

Yes. Thank you.

[Phil]

So the first one that we have here is Sam from Trick or Treat.

[Host Spencer]

Oh, not familiar.

[Phil]

Horror anthology. Oh, he's big at spirit, Hal. Pros of Sam are that he's small.

[Spencer]

How's he small?

[Phil]

Oh, he's a child. You know, I'd say like. Like three and a half, four feet tall.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Spencer]

Hard.

[Phil]

Hard for wildlife to spot. He comes with hunter's orange already and a game bag, so he's prepared. Cons. His descent control might be a little difficult with the weird, fleshy pumpkin head that's under his sack, which is not pictured here, but it's It. It. I'm sure it smells terrible. Okay, number two, we have Freddy Krueger pros. He brings his own set of knives.

[Corey]

Yes.

[Phil]

To kill animals in their dreams might be a problem, but it could be an interesting hunting trip. Something new, a new experience for you. He may not be able to possess a gun because of the whole child predator and serial killer thing. This one comes with an asterisk, though.

[Randall]

Because he's never been convicted.

[Phil]

That's the thing. He was killed by a vigilante mob before he was ever convicted. So there's no legal record of him not being able. Being convicted of a crime.

[Host Spencer]

And do both hands have the knives.

[Spencer]

Or is it just one hand?

[Phil]

Spencer, you've put me on the spot here. I'm trying to picture it.

[Corey]

I can't.

[Host Spencer]

I'm just, like, trying to. Logistically, can you draw a bow back?

[Randall]

I just know my friend had a glove that had the knives on it, and he only had one. It wasn't a set, but that might have just been because he lost it.

[Phil]

Hold on. Look at that. No, it's just one hand.

[Host Spencer]

You can figure it out then.

[Phil]

Yep. Okay.

[Host Spencer]

Number one.

[Phil]

That's number you have a hard time.

[Randall]

Pulling a bow back.

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Number one, we've got the Blair Witch. The Blair Witch is not pictured here. That is one of her victims in timeout pros, she remains completely unseen. She's never been seen. She's very familiar with the Maryland woods, specifically. So this kind of, you know, you're limited to a one geographical area, but I think you can make a lot out of it. Another pro leaves crafts hanging from trees so you won't get lost. There's another asterisk here that didn't really help. The kids that were in the film, they got very lost, but I think that's. That's because she was being antagonistic towards them. I think if she were aligned, we had similar goals of trying to get a deer. I think it could help. Another pro has her own cabin.

[Randall]

Yep, that's true.

[Phil]

It's out there in the woods already. Khan makes you face the wall while she does all the processing. Another asterisk here, maybe. I mean, that's. She's kind. She's doing all the work, but, you know, you kind of want to help out. Like, she invited you along. She helped you get the deer.

[Host Spencer]

Phil, how old are you when that movie came out?

[Phil]

That was 99, I believe so I was 8.

[Host Spencer]

Was that impactful on you or was it not on you?

[Phil]

I didn't see it until college. No, no, no.

[Host Spencer]

How about you, Randall?

[Spencer]

How old Were you in 1999?

[Randall]

99. I was 13 years old.

[Spencer]

Did you watch the Blair Witch Project?

[Randall]

Not until later. And it's a movie. It's a movie that I forgot about for decades, and then it popped onto my mental radar again a couple years ago, and. And I just thought, what a Weird thing that was.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, but it, like, kind of crushed it. It was like, very culturally, but it was like people.

[Randall]

People didn't know if it was real or not.

[Phil]

Oh, yeah, they marketed it that way. They shot it for, like 12,000 bucks, and it made tens of millions of the bucks. I do have some honorable mentions here. Yeah, I was gonna say we've got.

[Randall]

There's an obvious one.

[Phil]

We've got Leatherface. Just sheer enthusiasm from that guy. And he might. You know, he's got a lot of experience skinning Edward Cullen from a horror movie. Not a villain either, but a vampire who hunts. Who kills deer and sucks deer blood, but doesn't. Because he's trying. He doesn't want to kill humans.

[Randall]

Doesn't the werewolf guy in that one, The. You know, the.

[Phil]

Yeah, Jacob.

[Randall]

Yeah, he doesn't he kill a deer in that?

[Phil]

Actually, I've only seen the films once. I don't recall to watch them all.

[Host Spencer]

They move incredibly fast.

[Phil]

Oh, they're very blinking. Yeah. Their skin's kind of sparkly, which might be a problem.

[Randall]

Fast. Like my top three.

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah.

[Phil]

And then we've got. We've got Hannibal Lecter, probably not much of a hunter, but we've seen Anthony Hopkins, skills in the edge. And so if he can. If any of those transfer over to any of his other characters. We've seen how quickly he can skin out a. What animal was that? Was that a bear? Oh, yeah, that was a bear.

[Randall]

He's a great cook, too.

[Phil]

That's the thing. He'll be able to pair your game meat with the perfect wine. Anyway, that's my top three and honorable mentions.

[Spencer]

Very good.

[Randall]

Fantastic.

[Country Cory]

He likes that tiger meat.

[Spencer]

There you go. Raw means it's raw.

[Host Spencer]

All right, we have. Our last top three is from Randall.

[Spencer]

Randall, take it away.

[Randall]

Well, I was gonna do a top three of top threes with my top three ideas for top three for a.

[Host Spencer]

Peek behind the curtain. Randall was working on this at 11.

[Phil]

Or.

[Host Spencer]

Excuse me, 1055.

[Phil]

Ryan Callahan coded.

[Randall]

Yep. I'm gonna go with my top three things to eat after I get out of the elk woods.

[Phil]

Okay.

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah.

[Randall]

The way home. Number three. And it could be higher, except for one complication. Number three is chicken wings, because you can eat as many as you want and not feel bad about it. And it's just a gluttonous experience. The catch is that you eat them with your hands. So if you've been successful hunting, you know, even one wash after you cut up an elk, one hand wash isn't sufficient. So you really. It's only for the sort of consolation post hunt meal.

[Host Spencer]

Unsuccessful hunt.

[Randall]

Yeah, but just a great. Just a great food. You can sit there at the bar, watch the game, you know, and typically the spice encourages you to hydrate or imbibe.

[Host Spencer]

Can I guess one of your next two that you're gonna say?

[Randall]

Sure.

[Host Spencer]

Is it gonna be a Taco Bell? Like a Crunch wrap? Okay, well, you didn't have to say I was right.

[Spencer]

Go ahead.

[Randall]

Sorry, I thought you were gonna make a funny guess. Not like poking holes in my battleship.

[Host Spencer]

No, go for it.

[Randall]

Number two is a burger. And at a bar. Roadside tavern, preferably not a chain. Although you can get a nice burger at Chili's.

[Host Spencer]

When have you ever walked into a.

[Spencer]

Chili's after a hunt? Never.

[Randall]

You're poking holes in all my bits.

[Host Spencer]

Sorry, sorry.

[Randall]

I did eat at the Buffalo Wild Wings in Great Falls three times in a row during the hunt. Three nights in a row. The guy was sweet.

[Host Spencer]

Were they like the usual by the time you came in?

[Randall]

Yeah, yeah. The guy. The guy was. He wasn't from Great Falls, but he used to work at Buffalo Wild Wings, New Jersey. And I was asking him what happened to the buffalo chips and cheese, and he was so pissed. But then he. He sold us on a couple menu items that we hadn't tried yet.

[Corey]

What.

[Josh Humbert]

What.

[Host Spencer]

What sauces do you get?

[Randall]

I typically just go for hot buffalo. If I'm in a. If I'm in a sort of of feeling bad about myself mood, it's. It's typically like a. Like a honey barbecue.

[Host Spencer]

Oh, I didn't know this could be emotion.

[Phil]

D. Gordon is asking for your. Your preferred flat to drummy ratio. And yes, they use the term drummy.

[Randall]

Fitty fitty.

[Corey]

Perfect.

[Host Spencer]

I would take all drummies.

[Phil]

Oh, all flats.

[Josh Humbert]

Yeah, I like.

[Randall]

I like the flats. I like to.

[Country Cory]

I turn my flats, there's more work.

[Randall]

And number one is Taco Bell.

[Host Spencer]

Okay, who could have seen that coming?

[Randall]

Taco Bell's great because it comes to you quickly. There's one right by my house on the way back from my elk hunting spots. You can order in volume without feeling guilty or breaking the bank. And typically, when I'm out in the woods, I'm sweating a lot. And there's nothing better to put in your body when you're sweating than Mountain Dew. Mountain Dew in the original flavor or Baja Blast is one of the of nature's finest revitalizing substances. And, you know, I've developed a pretty serious habit back in my deck staining days. You know, you get a big 64 ounce from the convenience store. 64 ounce Mountain Dew on tap.

[Country Cory]

Big Gulps.

[Randall]

Oh, yeah, Big Gulps. But I don't. They don't call them that at Speedway. But yeah, Taco Bell is just. You can't go wrong. I typically will order a crunch wrap or two, couple soft tacos, and then maybe like one of the value burritos.

[Phil]

Okay, Randall, we talked. It's not like this show is going long or anything, but Randall, we talked about this briefly in Nashville of Mountain Dew varietals.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Could we do a sub top three of Mountain Dew varieties?

[Host Spencer]

I bet Randall is not a purist. I would bet he goes the other way on the spectrum and he's like.

[Spencer]

Making Mountain Dew suicides.

[Randall]

No, no, I am a purist.

[Phil]

Oh, wow.

[Randall]

I think the original. The original mixture is. Is the only Mountain Dew one should drink. Unless you're at a Taco Bell to get Baja Blast. And really the only one that I can speak to is Code Red.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Randall]

But Phil is actually quite a connoisseur.

[Phil]

Yeah. Back in high school, I drank. I drank too much Mountain Dew. I've had to quit soda cold turkey because it was such a problem.

[Host Spencer]

When did that happen?

[Phil]

In college. Yeah. I would say Baja Blast number one, original, number two, number three, Mountain Dew Game Fuel, which was the licensed tie in to Halo 3. When that came back back in like 2009 or something. Whenever Halo 3 came out, 2007, they stopped making it. They tried to turn it into an energy drink. It tasted like ass. And then they remade it with the original formula as just a normal soda a few years ago, but just as kind of like a limited release thing. And I bought a lot and I relapsed for a week. But now I'm.

[Host Spencer]

When did that happen?

[Phil]

A year or two ago.

[Spencer]

Oh, gosh.

[Phil]

But it's like a cherry citrus flavor. Very good.

[Randall]

I saw that swamp donkey wanted to know top three embarrassing hunting mistakes. And I will point out that one of my other top threes was most embarrassing moments in my fishing guide career. So we'll save that one for another day.

[Host Spencer]

My correct guess of your Taco Bell order was based on Randall and I had to host a company event a few years ago where we had to.

[Spencer]

Make a game for folks attending.

[Host Spencer]

And it was. It was all guessing based. You look at this Ellicott shed and you guess its score. You'd lift this cooler and guess its weight. One of them was, we had you guess the calories of these three things. One of them was like two s' mores. One of the the things you had to guess the calories for was Randall's post hunt meal.

[Randall]

And I forgot about that.

[Host Spencer]

I told Randall, I said, randall, really.

[Spencer]

Use your imagination here. What would you have after hunt?

[Host Spencer]

And he selected two. Two Tall Boy Coors banquets and I think a Crunchwrap supreme with a couple packets of hot sauce. Yeah, that was Randall's.

[Randall]

Guilty as charged. Guilty as charged. But I will point out that there were backup Crunchwrap Supremes in the fridge and I expensed them all and I took them all home.

[Phil]

We've got people in the live chat sharing their Taco Bell orders with us. This is the best. This is the best time I've ever had running this show.

[Corey]

It's just.

[Phil]

I love reading this.

[Host Spencer]

Good.

[Randall]

Cause we're running late.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Host Spencer]

All right, we are going to wrap it up now with our final interview of the day. Joining us on the line next is Michael Burton. Michael has developed the most unique way in the country of finding new fishing spots. Michael, welcome to the show.

[Josh Humbert]

Hello.

[Host Spencer]

Michael has gained hundreds of thousands of social media followers for his approach to getting people to tell him about their secret honey holes. Michael, explain to folks what you do.

[Corey]

So I make. I make videos primarily on TikTok now. I used to make them on Instagram. And by far my most successful series is catfishing people, stealing their fishing spots. And then Ranking their fishing spots to see how well it does compared to the other spots I've stolen from people.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, it's great content. It is what got you on my.

[Spencer]

Radar, why we're talking to you today.

[Host Spencer]

So this fake. The fake account that you have, are those pictures of a girl you know or is this just a stranger?

[Corey]

So those are all real pictures of my girlfriend, Brooke.

[Randall]

Oh.

[Corey]

And yeah, I use this as kind of the introduction to the series, but whenever I make a new account, it is pretty much the same pictures. It is always the name B with the B emoji. And if you see somebody else asking for fishing spots, they probably are a catfish, but it's not going to be me. I know there's lots of other people doing this now.

[Host Spencer]

Okay. So in. In your bio, I noticed it said some stuff like what? I enjoy doing fishing. A goal of mine, catching my first steelhead. That is how Michael gets these guys to tell him his spots. Now, are you portraying someone who really loves fishing or someone who's new to fishing? Someone who wants to go on a fishing date? Like, tell us about this character you've created.

[Corey]

So essentially, I try to make it as obvious as possible that I am who I am, especially to people who have seen the content before. And then when people match with me, I don't like, string them along or get them invested in me as a person. I feel that's a little bit mean. Oh. I just straight up ask them, like, tell me where you caught this fish. Fishing spots. Now whatever reason, that works really well for guys.

[Host Spencer]

Oh, okay. Some. Some desperate men out there holding fish on dating apps. For the locations guys give you, how often are they actual secret, secret spots versus just community holes that everybody knows about?

[Corey]

They're almost always community holes, especially in the beginning when I wasn't famous for this. I get a lot of people who clearly just googled fishing spots near Bend. And because that if you look at the early content, it's a lot of like C tier spots. As I got a little bit better at catfishing people, people would occasionally give me like less, less well known spots. But again, it's spots you could easily find on Google. It's very rare. I get a suggestion that's like an actually good suggestion that I haven't known about prior.

[Host Spencer]

Okay, so tell us about some of the highlights, the best days of fishing you've had.

[Spencer]

Thanks to Hinge.

[Corey]

Awesome. So I like it when I match with a fan and they prank me. Like they pretend to be somebody who is like falling for the scam and then they send me somewhere. So probably the funniest prank spot I've been sent to is it looks like it's this lake that's going to be super good on Google Earth. You know, it's off Elk Lake. It's nice and secluded, but it's where the cramorant's nest, or cormorants, I forget how you pronounce it. So there's no fish in the lake, like at all? Yeah, that spot, exactly. So because there's like literally hundreds of fishing birds, there's absolutely no fish. They're squawking the whole time and yelling and just pooping in the water. It's absolutely disgusting. So I brought my brother, thinking it would be like a fire secret spot. And no, we just got pranked hard.

[Host Spencer]

Okay, what, what about like real good days of fishing though that you've had? What about some like highlights that you've had?

[Corey]

Yeah. So the best spot I've been recommended was also a prank. Somebody found these giant cliffs along the Deschutes river where there's just like no way to get down. And they said, oh, this is the, the spot. And I'm a rock climber so I'm like, okay, giant cliffs, let's go. So I get down to the river and I caught close to 30 fish in an hour because nobody has been there before. And that's actually now like my go to spot. Whenever I want brown trout, I'll just stop at that specific spot on the way home, throw on a rainbow Rapala, catch like five brown trout that are keeper size, and then just climb back out and have dinner.

[Spencer]

Wonderful.

[Host Spencer]

How about low lights? Besides the, the Cormorant Lake, where, where have you wound up?

[Spencer]

Where the fishing was just Dr. Dreadful.

[Corey]

There's actually been a lot of spots I've been to, especially on the coast where I'm not familiar with where it looks really good on Google. And then you get there and it's just kelp, like kelp all around. You can't throw a high, low rig anywhere because it's just going to get stuck. You can't use a jig because it's just going to get stuck. And like whenever I get to these spots, I know like I've been got and I just wasted a couple hours of driving and then I'll try to find a nearby spot so I can actually make a video. Those spots tend not to make it into the series because I don't want to post a video where it's just like, yeah, I got screwed over by Kelp for two hours straight.

[Host Spencer]

I noticed in all your videos, you say that you use Hinge. Why Hinge over the other dating apps like Tinder or Bumble?

[Corey]

Yeah, so Hinge has the benefit where people can match with you and send you a message. And as the girl, you can read the message. So the vast majority of matches I get with people are not fishermen. They're just random people. They, like, hey, nice jacket, or they'll just send you a like with no context. And if I had to sift through all of those matches, it would be borderline impossible. I would also have to swipe right on pretty much everybody, which would be a big red flag in the system, and I'd get banned a lot faster.

[Country Cory]

Oh, wow.

[Corey]

Like, I still get banned all the time, but I assume if I was on Tinder, just, like, mashing right with every single person, my accounts would only last, like, a day or two.

[Host Spencer]

Okay. A lot of strategy I didn't suspect there. Now, you've done this experiment in Oregon and Hawaii. How did men in those two states differ when it comes to telling you about fishing spots.

[Corey]

In Hawaii? I didn't really get any good fishing spots. I don't know if it's because at that point, my series had, like, not to brag, but, like, millions of views, and people just knew about me. But people would just tell me to go to, like, the same exact spot on Waikiki, which is where all the tourists hang out. And then in Oregon, I would get, I assume, quite a few real suggestions of, like, actual fishing spots.

[Host Spencer]

Okay, now, by this point, you have seen thousands of dating profiles of guys. Tell us about some of the trends you've noticed with fishing pictures on dating apps.

[Corey]

Everybody has the same pose with the fish, where they hold it out slightly in front of them and they're smiling behind it. I don't know if that's a good strategy or a bad strategy, but I've also seen, like, some really creative pictures of people posing with fish. And again, I'm not a girl. I can't say, like, what is sexier or more attractive or what works better. But those people who, like, you know, are standing somewhere cool with the fish. It, like a fish in their hand, and you can see the fish relative to the person's body, and they're smiling. Like, you know, to me, that is like, oh, this person actually knows where to fish. Let me go match with them and see if I can get that spot.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Corey]

How.

[Host Spencer]

How is the catfishing been today? Have you been on Hinge yet this.

[Corey]

Morning, I'm currently between accounts. The last time I made it count, it was almost entirely fans of the show trying to prank me. So I don't know if I have to retire the series or just keep it going as, like an inside joke. I still have a list of approximately 150 spots I've catfished prior that I need to get through so I can at least keep the series going for another year or two. But I am looking at like, you know, alternative, like, heel content where I'm slightly the bad guy but I'm not being mean to anybody. And, you know, again, focused on like, fishing and outdoorsy stuff.

[Spencer]

Wonderful.

[Host Spencer]

Okay. I'm very excited for season two. If people want to see your hinge, catfishing and other fishing content, where should.

[Spencer]

They go to do that?

[Corey]

That. So I'm on TikTok only. Right now I'm central dot Oregon fishing. I would encourage people not to follow the account unless you actually like the content. Because I have a very odd sense of humor.

[Host Spencer]

Really?

[Corey]

Yeah. I'd rather have people who actually appreciate that sense of humor and like, watch the whole videos as opposed to people who just follow me for support and then don't watch the videos and kind of ruin the algorithm for me.

[Host Spencer]

It's very good stuff, Michael. I like watching your content. I think folks will enjoy seeing your videos. Very creative edits, Very creative series. Thanks for joining us and good luck on the dating apps.

[Corey]

All right, thank you for having me.

[Host Spencer]

Bye now.

[Corey]

Hmm.

[Randall]

I'm speechless.

[Host Spencer]

I wonder how we would do in.

[Spencer]

Other parts of the country.

[Host Spencer]

I feel like Oregon. I don't know. Phil, you're from that part.

[Randall]

I was gonna say, Phil, you're used to catfishing people online. What do you think?

[Phil]

One of my favorite pastimes. I. I mean, Central Oregon's an incredible place, so there'd be plenty, plenty of opportunities down there, I would guess. But again, I'm not a. Not much of a fisherman, so couldn't speak to that.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

I feel like you do really well around here because nobody's from here and everybody's already ruined their friend's spot. So everybody's always open, sharing all their hotspots.

[Randall]

I'm surprised I didn't know about this because one of my favorite TV shows of all time was To Catch a Predator.

[Host Spencer]

I thought you were gonna say I.

[Phil]

Have a picture with Chris Hansen.

[Podcast Announcer]

Really?

[Phil]

Yeah, I met him. He signed a book for me.

[Host Spencer]

What was the occasion?

[Phil]

Oh, my best friend was the ASB president and he was doing something with our school, so he was like. We had sort of a. We would watch To Catch a Predator together. He's like, chris Hansen's coming. I can get you in. So yeah, it was good.

[Josh Humbert]

Why don't you have a picture?

[Phil]

Yeah, I got a six pack of my cards that need to be.

[Host Spencer]

I thought you were going to say your favorite show was. Was it Catfish with Neat? What's the MTV show there was? Catfish or Cheaters.

[Corey]

Cheaters.

[Host Spencer]

The old. Was that hbo?

[Randall]

I love Cheaters.

[Host Spencer]

The host of that show got stabbed, I think on a boat.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Host Spencer]

What a good tie in for this show.

[Spencer]

Wow, we did it.

[Host Spencer]

All right, that brings us to the end of the episode. Phil, let's get some feedback from the chat.

[Phil]

We've had a very active chat, but not a lot of questions. I think people are just enjoying the show. A very popular one has been gas cans. Is Spencer going to reveal the gas cans this week?

[Host Spencer]

Not this week, but it's coming. I'm still going through all the emails very passionate folks wrote in about their favorite gas cans. There are I think, two that stand out above the rest.

[Spencer]

So I will get listeners that list very soon.

[Country Cory]

I'll be waiting.

[Phil]

Mike is wondering, Randall, have you ever read the book the Long Rifle by Stuart Edward White?

[Randall]

I don't think that I have and I can't answer for Steve, but I'll check it out.

[Spencer]

Steve hasn't. No.

[Randall]

Actually one of my other top threes was gonna be best books about shooting.

[Host Spencer]

Oh, very good.

[Phil]

Mike also has another question that might be dumb. I don't know because I don't know. I'm saying it's about me because I'm dumb. And I don't know if this is a good question or not. Why do I always see or what do I always see in the meat eater videos on the gun muzzles to protect them like a muzzle condom or electrical tape.

[Spencer]

Hmm.

[Host Spencer]

Sometimes it's maybe literally a condom that.

[Spencer]

Folks will put on there. And what's that doing, Randall?

[Randall]

It's keeping debris and moisture out of your barrel. I typically use electrical tape, but then I was reading, uh.

[Host Spencer]

Oh, I don't like where this is going because I've always been to the.

[Spencer]

Impression that that does nothing for your ballistics.

[Randall]

Oh, no, it doesn't.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Randall]

But if you're using a high volume suppressor, like a suppressor, that, that, that can catch a lot of gas. There is the potential for complications using the electrical tape method because your bullet, if enough gas goes into your suppressor, by the time that bullet is at your muzzle, it could But I, I don't know, but it's just got me second guessing myself a little bit.

[Country Cory]

Well, if you're, if you have a suppressor, make sure you get the FHF suppressor cover.

[Spencer]

There you go.

[Podcast Announcer]

That's right.

[Country Cory]

That'll keep the debris out.

[Randall]

That's right.

[Phil]

Next, we have a question from Mogor. Explain to a European guy how long it takes you to get to work. Apparently Randall lives way out in the middle of nowhere too.

[Country Cory]

Way out.

[Spencer]

Well, I also like Randall.

[Randall]

38 minutes if things are good.

[Josh Humbert]

Okay.

[Randall]

Yeah, 38. Well, because my, my truck knows where I'm going, so it tells me. So that's how I, I, I usually like to leave 45 minutes early. Just a lot of that is cutting through Bozeman.

[Spencer]

We're approaching long commute season.

[Randall]

24. Yeah, 24 miles on the interstate, but.

[Spencer]

Through a mountain pass.

[Randall]

Yeah, through a mountain pass. But again, I am only, I think, three miles from a Taco Bell.

[Country Cory]

Very good.

[Host Spencer]

I think my commute is probably like 18 minutes.

[Spencer]

What do you got?

[Country Cory]

Corey takes about six minutes.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

I could ride a bike here.

[Randall]

If you must drive fast, you're winning.

[Country Cory]

No, I'm very close.

[Host Spencer]

Phil, what's your commute like?

[Phil]

20, 25, depending on 38.

[Randall]

And I'm on the other side of the pass. That just shows you how bad the infrastructure is here for motor vehicle traffic.

[Phil]

Our producer who lives in Missoula just said three hours.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, the average commute, I just googled it. For Americans, as of 2023 is 27 minutes, which I feel like we've found close to that.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Phil]

Chad is asking any tips for handling game meat with trauma after being shot? I shot a buck, and both front shoulders had a decent amount of trauma on the insides of them.

[Host Spencer]

Cut it out, Chad.

[Country Cory]

Get rid of something.

[Randall]

There's a trick. Yeah.

[Spencer]

You don't want bloodshot meat with.

[Host Spencer]

Even if you're doing the thing lowest on the totem pole, like turning it into to ground meat.

[Spencer]

Just keep that bloodshot.

[Randall]

Yeah, there's no secret, secret sauce there.

[Phil]

Phil, what is the process for how I pick a song to parody for a drop? There actually is a process. I will open up a Spotify playlist based on a decade. So if I kind of try to span from 60s through current steps, I'll be like, I'll feel like a 70s song today. And I'll go through, I'll scroll through all the biggest hits from the 70s, and then I'll be repeating the segment name in my mind while I'm Reading the list to try to find some alliteration or rhyming or syllables that match. Sometimes it's easier, like hot, hot. To go for hot tips was obvious, but doing lose yourself for fake news, that one was a stretch. But I was pretty proud of kind of making that work.

[Host Spencer]

Very good stuff.

[Phil]

But yeah, that's how it goes.

[Host Spencer]

Phil also, he doesn't want to go too obvious. When we do the let's Talk about Sex segment, it would have been very easy to do Salt n Pepa's Let's Talk About Sex.

[Phil]

I ended up using that song for sure. A different segment, which is. Yeah, it's been a while.

[Randall]

Keep him guessing.

[Host Spencer]

Yeah, let's do two more. Phil, you got two more?

[Phil]

Two more. Nah. Well, there's another one for me, but that seems stupid.

[Corey]

Come on, we'll feed that.

[Randall]

We just won't count it specifically for.

[Phil]

This one man, because no one's going to know what the hell he's talking about. He's asking if I've played Arc Raiders, which is the new hotness in gaming right now. No, no, I'm not. It's a competitive, sort of competitive multiplayer game. I've retired from those. I'm too old. I have kids I can't do. And I've been. I'm a lapsed PC gamer. I haven't had a good PC in years, so I strictly stick to console gaming for the most part.

[Spencer]

Now.

[Phil]

Spencer, the other Spencer, Spencer 2.0, was just at the Meat eater flagship store and he just wanted to give a shout out for the crew there.

[Randall]

Shout out to the store boys.

[Host Spencer]

We love the store boys.

[Corey]

Store boys.

[Host Spencer]

They have managed to just fill that place with college age fellas and they do a great job of running it.

[Randall]

Yep. Whenever I need someone to go drink a cold one with, I'll do one.

[Phil]

More that's for real. Then we'll close out.

[Randall]

Shout out. Alex Zimmer.

[Phil]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Store manager.

[Phil]

Braden says, moving from Iowa to southern Idaho, what versatile caliber rifle would you buy to hunt elk, slash deer, other large game? If you would only pick one.

[Host Spencer]

Only pick one in Idaho with elk.

[Spencer]

Deer and other large game.

[Host Spencer]

What do you got?

[Spencer]

Randall.

[Randall]

I don't think you need to overthink this. My. My question to you would be, how experienced are you shooting centerfire rifles? I think choosing the right bullet and knowing how that bullet performs and what it is.

[Host Spencer]

Give him an answer.

[Randall]

6.5 Creedmoor.

[Host Spencer]

There we go. I think I would say a 30 odd six. Or a.270 if you're recoil conscious. Maybe a.308 or a 6.5 Creedmoor Corey.

[Country Cory]

300 win mag is a new one.

[Host Spencer]

Cory's going the other end of the spectrum.

[Randall]

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I shot everything with a.300 win mag for a while. There's nothing wrong with it.

[Country Cory]

I, I just can't quit. These new hot cartridges are so lame to me.

[Host Spencer]

Okay.

[Country Cory]

300 win mag all the way.

[Host Spencer]

He asked for one suggestion.

[Spencer]

I think we gave him five.

[Corey]

Good luck.

[Host Spencer]

Good luck, Braden. All right, that's the end of this week's show. We'll be back here next week, same time and place. By now.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Spencer]

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