The MeatEater Podcast – Ep. 789: A Bad Road, Rutty Bucks and Cookbooks | MeatEater Radio Live!

Date: November 7, 2025
Host: Brody Henderson (filling in for Steven Rinella)
Guests/Co-Hosts: Giannis Patelis, Maggie Hudlow, Phil (engineer), plus interviews with Matt Jackson & Tim Fulman (Wilderness Society)
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A live episode with lively hunting banter, fresh hunt stories, rut reports, a deep-dive into the controversial Alaska Ambler Road project with conservation experts, practical game-processing tips, and an interactive cookbook giveaway.

Episode Overview

The episode captures the full flavor of the MeatEater crew’s live dynamic: fun hunting tales, humor, conservation advocacy, wild game tips, and direct community participation. With host Brody Henderson at the helm, the team covers the current peak of the deer rut, debates public land policies—with a major focus on Alaska’s Ambler Road—and connects with conservation experts. The show wraps up with practical processing tips, hunting stories, and an interactive cookbook box set giveaway for fans.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

Opening Banter & Plans for the Rut (01:09–05:56)

• Brody, Giannis, and Maggie exchange fall hunting plans:
  • Giannis gearing up for Wisconsin deer rut, craves the rut report.
  • Maggie shifting from deer to upland bird hunting after filling her elk-less freezer and having a cabin-fevered bird dog.
  • Brody shares a hard lesson: held off on shooting a great buck because tough, windy, rushed shots aren't ethical—even if the buck's a bruiser.

    “You need to be like…it's okay if I don’t get that thing. People need that reminder now and then.” —Brody Henderson (07:32)

Public Lands Conservation & The Ambler Road Controversy (09:13–31:07)

Setting the Stage (09:13–14:04)

• Brody highlights an urgent BLM comment period and frames the Ambler Road’s massive implications for Alaskan wilderness.
• The road: “210 miles through pristine, roadless Brooks Range wilderness, mainly to benefit foreign mining interests, not locals.”

Expert Voices: The Wilderness Society (14:04–19:57)

• Matt Jackson (Wilderness Society, Alaskan born) outlines the stakes:

  • Parallels to the Pebble Mine: short-term profits of foreign mining vs. long-term vitality of wildlife, lands, and communities.
  • 88 tribes spanning Yukon and Koyukuk strongly oppose the road; “What the feds are doing is a roller coaster…but here in the state, we’ve said no to this road a bunch of times.” (15:35)
  • Unknown who will fund the $350+ million project. The road is private—industrial, not public.

• Public Cost & Environmental Concerns:

  “We’re certainly going to be on the hook to clean up the mess afterwards.” —Matt Jackson (17:12)

• Environmental assessment studies in 2024 led Bureau of Land Management to deny the permit on wildlife and cultural impact grounds—now overruled by federal proclamation.

  “By proclamation, they’re trying to say none of that science...matters anymore. Just bulldoze the thing anyway.” —Tim Fulman (18:00)

Wildlife Impacts: Ground Truth (21:14–27:38)

• Tim Fulman (Wilderness Society, Senior Ecologist) on caribou:

  • Western Arctic caribou herd down ~70% since early 2000s.
  • Construction bisects caribou migration routes: stress and fragmentation compound existing declines.

    “Caribou need to be able to be free to roam…studies have shown caribou are sensitive to development…” (22:02)

  • Subsistence impacts: Road would impair thousands-year-old local community hunting traditions.

• Fish & Watersheds:

  • “4,000 culverts…concerns about mine tailings and water quality.” (27:13)

Action Steps & Hope (27:38–31:09)

• No current public comment window, but people are urged to follow groups like Wilderness Society and Defend the Brooks Range for mobilization.
• “There’s always hope, especially when there’s so much unity around protecting this landscape within the state…” —Matt Jackson (27:38)

Immediate Crew Reactions (28:50–31:09)

• Crew alarmed at exporting resources, environmental risks, and rapid development benefiting foreign companies over locals.

  “It’s just such a shame that some people are so willing to sacrifice that for the sake of the dollar.” —Maggie Hudlow (30:47)

• Emphasis on the long-term costs of cleanup, irreversible habitat loss.

Hot Tip-Off Contest: Field-Tested Wild Game Tips (31:17–40:02)

Fun, practical hunting and butchering hacks, audience-voted:

1. Yannis: Pre-cook stews, chili, sausage, and vacuum-seal for instant, homemade wild-game meals at camp. "Then when it's time for hunting season, you just throw all that stuff into the cooler...and dinners are pretty much done." (33:17)

2. Brody (WINNER): When removing a buck’s head, cut from the throat side—easier, faster, less muscle/resistance.

   “Flip ‘em over and come in from the throat down—it’s just way easier, way faster…you’ll find it takes like less than half the time of coming in from the top.” (35:14)

3. Maggie: Lay butcher paper on kitchen island for elk processing—label cuts, quick clean-up, no need for big cutting boards.

Bonus: lots of lively, teasing banter and practical CWD/testing asides.

Audience Q&A & Cookbook Giveaway (41:14–44:38; 77:01–83:47)

• Deer processing tips: Avoid gristly rib meat for burger; slow-cook for stew. "The more gristle your burger has, the shittier your burger is gonna be." – Brody (42:20)
• Cookbook Contest: Funniest, most creative fan comment wins the new MeatEater cookbook box set (signed), plus a calendar prize.
  • Best entries: “If I don’t win, I’ll be forced to read cereal boxes again” (Mogor) and “No stinking cookbook—but an effed up truck calendar, that I deserve!” (Steven) (82:58)
• Winning entries announced (83:21).

National Rut Report: Live Hunter Check-ins (44:38–56:16)

A real pulse-check from the field, covering current deer movement from Montana to Wisconsin and the Southeast.

• Montana/Midwest: Bucks riled up, more daylight movement, but muleys "not quite there yet." (Spencer)
• Nebraska/Whitetails: Bucks cruising and rutting, even under warm conditions. “Four minutes into his first sit…killed a buck.” (Tony)
• Southeast: Chasing ramps up, cold front about to send it into high gear. “Big bucks are starting to come out of the woodwork.” (Bear Newcombe, 53:02)
• Wisconsin: Bucks locked on does, best tactics: focus on bedding area corridors, “downwind sides of bedding.” (Chester, 53:02)
• Rut is universally “on,” but local timing still dictated by weather, does’ readiness, and habitat—science detailed by Giannis.

Personal Crew Hunt Stories (57:30–77:01)

Intimate, anecdote-rich recaps of recent hunts highlighting family, ethical choices, and learning moments.

Maggie’s Elk Hunt:

• Tough October, finally succeeded stalking a young 4x5 bull through snow and timber—a “tasty” freezer filler.

  “Young bulls—those are the ones to shoot if you want to eat them.” —Maggie (60:55)

• Elk jerky recipe: “Heavy on the smoke…Danielle Pruitt’s smoked venison jerky—worth trying out.” (62:17)

Yannis’ Multi-Species Fall:

• Biggest bull elk to date (310”), Idaho buck, youth hunts with daughters (including “8-hour wait on a bedded buck”), important parental lessons in patience and ethical shooting.

Brody’s Sons’ Deer & Antelope Hunts:

• Letting older son Hayden plan the hunt: “For the first time, it really felt like his hunt.” (71:09)
• Youngest son Conley’s emotional journey: missed his first shot, persevered, succeeded later that day, “all smiles” with a little help from some cattle-moving cowboys. (76:21)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Ethics & Temptation in Hunting:

“As the buck gets bigger, the ethics sort of slide down…they make people do stupid shit. If it was a 200 incher, I’m gonna be like, ‘Well, if I can just get one in him, then I can probably get two more in him later.’” —Giannis Patelis (08:22)

Ambler Road Economics/Justice:

“The real winners are not going to be Americans.” —Giannis (30:27)
“We’re certainly going to be on the hook to clean up the mess afterwards.” —Matt Jackson (17:12)

Practical Humor:

“If you want something that bad…you need to be able to say, ‘it’s okay if I don’t get that thing.’” —Brody (07:32)
“If you do this every time you have dinner, just make a little extra and vacuum seal it…dinners are pretty much done. You get to be eating game while you’re hunting game for next year.” —Giannis (33:17)
“The more gristle your burger has, the shittier your burger is going to be.” —Brody (42:20)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:09 – Hosts’ hunting plans and personal updates
• 06:01 – Brody’s ethical dilemma lesson
• 09:13 – Urgent public lands advocacy & Ambler Road intro
• 14:04 – Interview with Matt Jackson: The Wilderness Society/Nature of Opposition
• 21:14 – Interview with Tim Fulman: Caribou herd welfare & scientific studies
• 27:38 – Action items; What listeners can do to help
• 31:17 – Hot tip-off contest: wild game field/processing hacks
• 41:14 – Audience Q&A (deer processing, tips)
• 44:38 – National rut reports: Montana, Nebraska, Southeast, Wisconsin
• 57:30 – Recent hunt recaps: Maggie (elk), Yannis (multi-species, daughter’s hunt), Brody (antelope/deer w/sons)
• 77:01 – Cookbook giveaway contest and results
• 78:22 – Reflections & recommendations on MeatEater cookbooks

Overall Tone & Takeaways

The show’s signature blend of camaraderie, practical wisdom, irreverence, and conservation advocacy is on full display. From hunting tales that emphasize humility and teaching moments, to detailed discussion of national conservation battles (especially the Ambler Road), and right down to hands-on wild game processing and cooking tips, the episode provides something for every hunter and conservation-minded foodie.

For more information on the Ambler Road and to stay involved, follow:

• The Wilderness Society (social media, email updates)
• Defend the Brooks Range advocacy group

For great wild game recipes, knife tips, and a sense of community, check out the new MeatEater Cookbook Box Set.