Ep. 822: Public Lands and Weird Headlines | MeatEater Radio Live!

Summary

The MeatEater Podcast – Ep. 822: Public Lands and Weird Headlines | MeatEater Radio Live!

Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Randall Williams (for Steven Rinella)
Featured Guests: Zach Lynch, Chris Allen, Mark Kenyon, regular MeatEater crew
Main Theme: The intersection of public lands advocacy, conservation politics, and the fun, unpredictable world of outdoors weird news.

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Episode Overview

This live episode combines MeatEater’s signature blend of conservation talk, wild food, nerdy hunting politics, and irreverent humor. The hosts spotlight emerging grassroots conservation efforts, dissect some truly strange wildlife headlines, explore a heated national debate on public lands, and even bust out a live, AI-assisted "meat theater" performance of Hemingway's The Old Man and the Sea. Community Q&A and trivia ("Fake News") round out a lively, highly interactive show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Wyoming Advocacy: Protect Wyoming PAC

[08:01–22:03]

What happened:

• Randall Williams interviews Zach Lynch and Chris Allen, founders of the new Protect Wyoming PAC.
• They clarify they’re a political action committee (not just an advocacy org).
• Motivated by recent anti-public land/anti-public wildlife legislation in Wyoming’s statehouse.
• Their goal: Educate Wyoming voters about legislator voting records and candidates’ stances, regardless of party.

Core Issues of the PAC:

• Keep public lands public: Oppose any transfer or privatization.
• Protect public wildlife: Strongly against transferable landowner tags and privatizing wildlife.
• Science-based management: Wildlife decisions should be made by biologists, not politicians.

Notable Discussion:

• Anti-constituency attitudes from legislators:
  “One of the co-sponsors of that bill said he didn't care that he was going to introduce the legislation again if he had the opportunity. And he didn’t care what the constituents thought. And so it was in that moment, really, that my eyes opened.” (Zach Lynch, 10:29)

• Landowner tag controversy:
  “As it is in Wyoming now, ... you cannot sell [landowner] tags to anyone ... but we’ve seen legislation ... that would allow landowners to sell those tags off. ... It completely circumvents the draw system, it doesn’t put money in the state system at all. It just lines the pockets of large landowners...” (Zach Lynch, 15:02)

Encouragement to Listeners:

• Get involved locally, educate yourself on state issues (not just federal).
• “Those folks in Cheyenne or Helena ... often have a greater impact on your ability to hunt, fish and recreate than ... the President... does.” (Zach Lynch, 19:04)

For more info:
Their website (announced during show) and a forthcoming newsletter are the best ways to follow Protect Wyoming PAC.

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2. Fake News Game: Odd Wildlife Headlines

[26:15–37:08]

A classic, laughter-filled segment with Randall reading bizarre wildlife headlines—only one is true each round.

ROUND 1 – "A three-legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way."

Correct answer: A lion (C)

• “Jacob, an 11 year old lion in Queen Elizabeth National Park, Uganda, ... was filmed swimming 1.5 km across a crocodile filled river. The animal lost a leg in a poacher’s snare, but ... managed to adopt an ambush hunting strategy resembling that of leopards.” (Randall Williams, 29:17)

ROUND 2 – "Generations of bearded vultures stashed human treasures…"

Correct answer: Sandal (A)

• “Archaeologists recovered more than 200 human artifacts from historical bearded vulture nests in southern Spain. One ... is a 650-year-old sandal made from woven twigs and grasses...” (Randall Williams, 32:24)

ROUND 3 – "Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don’t know why."

Correct answer: Anacondas (B)

• “They saw ... Bolivian river dolphins ... holding an anaconda in their beaks, handling it like it was a plush toy. ... Apart from a single case of cannibalism, no one had ever seen Bolivian anacondas getting killed or eaten by any other wild animal.” (Randall Williams, 34:54)

Notable riff:
Panel’s delight at how random and unguessable the headlines are.
Comment: “It’s almost like it’s a flawed game.” (Phil Taylor, 35:02)

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3. MeatEater Community Q&A

[37:22–45:43; 73:46–82:41]

The hosts tackle a variety of listener-submitted questions, including:

• Cooking marmot (“...cook them inside their [skin] with the hair on and everything...”)
• Adding organ meats to burger (“...toss it in there. I’ve thrown like heart in with my burger grind before.”)
• Best Teddy Roosevelt biographies (“If you want something a little lighter, ... read River of Doubt.”)
• Pike fishing in Ireland (“Be careful when you land one. Don’t get slime all over your boat or your clothes. And keep your fingers away from the teeth and gills.”)
• Quail hunting and recipe tips (“Grill them whole, keep the skin on, two per person.”)
• Venison hot dog and punt gun content: “Stay tuned!”

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4. Conservation Update with Mark Kenyon (New MeatEater Director of Conservation)

[45:53–59:51]

Mark’s background:
Steeped in whitetail hunting (Wired to Hunt roots), but passionate about conservation and public lands.
Feels “on fire” for the new role: “It's the kind of work I've been dreaming of and working towards for a really long time.” (Mark Kenyon, 47:42)

What the Director of Conservation does:

• Strategic planning: “How do we, at MeatEater, rally our resources and our voice ... to work towards better conservation outcomes?”
• Content focus: amplifying conservation storytelling, news, and education.
• Lining up boots-on-the-ground opportunities for the MeatEater community.

Notable moment:
“It was more painful than anything having to sit here and hear you guys talk about book recommendations and not be able to speak.” (Mark Kenyon, 46:14)

BLM Director Nomination Controversy

[51:18–59:35]

Who: Steve Pierce, nominee for Bureau of Land Management director (oversees 240–250 million public acres).

Why it matters:
Pierce has a long history of supporting federal land transfer or sell-off (not just a one-off comment). “He supported the Jason Chaffetz 2017 bill that would sell off three some million acres of public lands... I could go on and on.” (Mark Kenyon, 52:11)

Conservation community response:

• Strong opposition; over 80 groups sent formal opposition letters.
• “The alarm is being rung. ... I would like him to do so ... with some commitments on the record to not do, to not pursue some of the ideas that he’s voiced support for in the past.” (Mark Kenyon, 56:34)

Listener action item:
Pressure your senators (especially Energy & Natural Resources Committee) to grill Pierce at his confirmation hearing (date TBD).
BHA has a tool for submitting suggested questions.

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5. Meat Theater: AI-Generated Hemingway Parody

[63:29–73:39]

The crew performs an AI-generated, dramatically revised live script of The Old Man and the Sea, starring Cory as the inspirational boy, Brody as the fish (with “wholesome 1950s profanity”), and Randall as Santiago.

• “[As the Fish]: ‘You stubborn son of a gun. You should just cut the line. I am stronger than you. Your hands bleed, old man. … Dagnabbit, why must you kill me? I have done nothing to you.’” (Brody Henderson, ~67:37–68:27)
• Audience (and crew) delighted, with running jokes about assigning unfair roles and Brody’s comedic chops as a deeply poetic fish.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I suggested Corey talk about his son’s broken arm, and he seemed reluctant to do so. So I’m just gonna put it out there.” (Randall Williams, 03:17)
• “There are a lot of great advocacy organizations for public lands and wildlife in Wyoming. ... And you know, I remember clearly in Cody, one town hall where one of the co-sponsors of that bill said he didn't care ... what the constituents thought.” (Zach Lynch, 10:29)
• “Wildlife is in the possession of the people of Wyoming, not individual property.” (Zach Lynch, 16:31)
• “Those folks in Cheyenne ... often have a greater impact on your ability to hunt, fish and recreate than ... the President ... does.” (Zach Lynch, 19:04)
• “A three legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way.” [Fake news segment riff, 27:52]
• “Jacob ... was filmed swimming 1.5 km across a crocodile filled river ... lost a leg in a poacher’s snare, but managed to adopt an ambush style hunting strategy.” (29:17)
• “It’s almost like it’s a flawed game.” (Phil Taylor about ‘Fake News’, 35:02)
• “I was so excited for that. ... I made Brody a fish mask and I didn’t give it to him. But it’s probably for the best.” (Randall, 73:14)
• “I just like felt for that fish, man, because he really got boned, you know?” (Brody, 81:57)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 02:03 — Show intro, panel introductions, banter about hunting points and young Calkins’ broken arm
• 08:01 — Interview with Zach Lynch & Chris Allen, Protect Wyoming PAC
• 26:15 — “Fake News” headline trivia game
• 45:53 — Mark Kenyon: conservation news, BLM director controversy
• 63:29 — “Meat Theater” performance
• 73:46 — Lightning round listener Q&A

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Show Tone & Style

The episode is lively, humor-packed, and a little irreverent, bouncing seamlessly between hard-nosed conservation debate, rural life stories, and wild, quirky news. Authentic camaraderie and playful jabs keep things moving, anchored in real-world concern for public lands and wildlife.

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For Further Info

• Protect Wyoming PAC: Website/newsletter for Wyoming public lands advocacy
• Backcountry Hunters & Anglers (BHA): For public lands action tool
• MeatEater Podcast Network: More conservation content, MeatEater social for updates

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In summary:
This live episode skillfully mixes fun and activism. The crew undresses a growing threat to public lands, laughs through the oddest wildlife news, and introduces MeatEater’s new conservation leadership. The message: Stay vigilant, get involved locally, and never let conservation get too boring to talk about—or too serious to laugh about.

Transcript

[Randall Williams]

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[Randall Williams]

This is Julian Edelman from Games With Names. Now let's get into the serious stuff. We're talking football food, specifically Daisy French Onion Dip. These are so delicious. They're like homemade dips made with real herb and spices.

[Brody Henderson]

Also made with some Daisy Sour Cream.

[Randall Williams]

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[Zach Lynch]

You will not regret it. Smell us now lady.

[Randall Williams]

Welcome to meat eater trivia meat eater podcast. Welcome to Meat Eater radio live. It's 11:00am Mountain Time here in Bozeman, Montana. That's 11:00am for our friends in Great Falls, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by my good friends Corey Calkins, Brody Henderson.

[Phil Taylor]

G'.

[Brody Henderson]

Day.

[Randall Williams]

As always, Phil Taylor, Master of Ceremonies is behind the board here. We've got a great show for you today. We're going to talk to two fellows who just started a brand new advocacy group for hunters and anglers in Wyoming. Gonna play a little game called Fake News. We're gonna chat with Meat Eater's brand spanking new Director of Conservation, Mark Kenyon. We've got another edition of the Meat Poll. Glad to have you with us. Thanks for joining, Brody. Corey, we were just chatting before the show that we don't have a lot to talk about. I suggested Corey talk about his son's broken arm, and he seemed reluctant to do so. So I'm just gonna put it out there.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Brody Henderson]

Brody, you've been doing anything fun out.

[Randall Williams]

There you're not worried about Social services check?

Oh, no. I guess who hasn't jumped off of a swing too far?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah. Marshall fell off the swing.

[Randall Williams]

That's like a classic childhood milestone.

[Brody Henderson]

No doubt. Swings or monkey bars or, you know, with another kid.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Brody Henderson]

Pretty. Yeah. Calkins family is on a roll. Getting injured.

[Randall Williams]

I was gonna say the Culkins men go hard.

[Brody Henderson]

We do. We'd go hard in the paint. Whether we're trying to knock frisbees out of trees or jumping on a swing.

[Randall Williams]

Was it like a very showy breaking of the arm? Like, did he launch himself off the swing?

[Brody Henderson]

No, I guess he was having a, like, long distance jumping contest. Sure.

[Randall Williams]

And then we've all been there.

[Brody Henderson]

Nothing happened there. I don't know who won. Probably not him. He's got. He's pretty short. And then he just jumped back on. And then I think he fell on his face and his wrist broke his fall. So minor fracture. He'll be fine.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, yeah, he'll be all right. Now. I got nothing, Randall. I'm just looking at Wyoming draws for.

Mule deer not getting out on the ice.

[Phil Taylor]

What ice?

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, yeah, I got. I got a pile of points, but my pile isn't quite big enough. Like, I'm a couple behind Max points, which is a bad place to be in Wyoming.

Yeah. I'm in the same position with elk and antelope in Wyoming, so just need to light those things on fire at some point.

Yep.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, I'm in the debacle at least here in Montana with plenty of points to draw some pretty awesome tags. But I kind of want to just keep accumulating too, you know, the odds.

[Randall Williams]

Are only going to get worse.

[Brody Henderson]

Try. I continue to try for some of the harder tags.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Brody Henderson]

I'm like, man, at some point, do I just burn it? Life short.

[Randall Williams]

I mean, we. A couple months from now, we could be sitting in this very room. We could be like, yeah. Talking about how sweet our tags are.

Yep.

I did get out, I guess, two weeks ago with Cal for a very last minute waterfowl excursions. So I've just been eating ducks.

[Brody Henderson]

Oh, good for you.

[Randall Williams]

A lot of ducks. And I just. There's a recipe in the wild and whole cookbook where you just sear them real quick. And there's like an orange squeeze some oranges. Throw some bourbon in the pan and drizzle that over.

And you weren't there for the little waterfowl extravaganza we did the other day, were you?

No, but I got the leftover ducks. Yeah, there are a couple.

You got the leftover good ducks?

Yeah, I got a couple pintails. I think there was a baggie full of breasts and thighs in the fridge and I grabbed it on a Friday afternoon. We ate those ducks too.

So people should keep an eye out for the next one. Man, it's gonna. Next little Steve experiment. We eat mergansers.

[Brody Henderson]

Did he break out the lab coat again?

[Randall Williams]

No lab coat.

Hopefully his. His scientific method is better than it was in the ribeye in the sky taste test because we've received a lot of feedback about the gross failures of our.

There wasn't much science involved in this one. It was just like just seeing what they taste like.

[Brody Henderson]

Tastes good.

[Randall Williams]

Gotcha. Well, with nothing to add to that, Corey, other than your broke. Oh, Phil.

[Phil Taylor]

Huh?

[Randall Williams]

That's a great idea. Phil, how have you been?

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, fine. I wasn't expecting this, Randall. I'm a little caught off guard here, but yeah, I've been doing. Well, nothing really new to report. I've got a pre vasectomy appointment today.

[Brody Henderson]

This is huge.

[Phil Taylor]

And I was going to ask Mark about. I think Mark's been public about his vasectomy.

[Randall Williams]

I can see him. I can see him cringing in the little box below our main feed.

[Phil Taylor]

So maybe. Maybe we can talk about that with our new director of conservation.

[Randall Williams]

Boy, let me. I. You said you didn't have much going on. You got it all going on.

[Phil Taylor]

It's. It's all happening, baby.

[Randall Williams]

Fun. I just made a note here. Phil's vasectomy.

You know, Phil, I had some buddies that all. They. I think this was a. I don't know if it's still a thing, but it's. It was a thing where dudes would like schedule their vasectomies, like a circle of friends, like all at the same time. And then they'd have like a little post vasectomy, you know, gathering celebration.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, well, yeah. Should I try to wrangle some of.

[Randall Williams]

The guys around offices? You know, I'll do it.

[Phil Taylor]

Randall?

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, sure.

[Brody Henderson]

Sweet.

[Phil Taylor]

Let's do it.

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Find any excuse to throw a party.

[Randall Williams]

We can get some good time in on the switches.

[Phil Taylor]

That's going to happen regardless.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Well, on that note, joining us first today are Zach lynch and Chris Allen, the founders of a new advocacy group, Protect Wyoming Pack. Zach, Chris, welcome to the show.

[Brody Henderson]

Thanks guys. Thanks for having us. Yeah, thank you.

[Randall Williams]

Now, before we get into the details of your new group, can you just introduce ourselves, introduce yourselves to the audience and just tell us where you're coming from and what you guys do.

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah, my name is Zach Lynch. I live in Cody. I work as a mountain guide. I own a guiding business and I grew up in Wyoming, hunted and fish for as long as I can remember. And just a point of a clarification, we're not an advocacy group. We are a political action committee. We're doing very different things. We're getting involved in elections and educating voters. But yeah, I got really inspired to get involved in Wyoming state politics last year when we had a lot of anti public lands and anti public wildlife legislation introduced in session. And Protect Wyoming is, is the result of that, that desire to get involved.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. And how did you, you connect with Chris here?

[Zach Lynch]

So we, I think we're both coming from a place of, you know, not being involved in politics ever before in our, in our lives and talking to other hunters and outdoors people in Wyoming that knew more about the political process than, than we did. And, and we were able to connect through mutual friends.

[Randall Williams]

Gotcha. And Chris, you're coming to us from further east then?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, I'm on the kind of the north central part of the state. And Claremont, Wyoming, just about an hour so north, south of the Montana border. So a little different landscape than Zackson. More prairie country, ranch country out here. And Zach and I just hold similar, similar values on public land and public wildlife.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. So can you, you mentioned, Zach, you mentioned that this is a political action committee, Protect Wyoming pac. And you mentioned sort of that last year's legislative session was influential in you guys getting this thing off the ground. Can you tell us a little bit about how you came to decide on being a PAC rather than a, you know, a 501C3. And can you tell us like, what are your core issues?

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah, great questions. You know, answer your first. Why a PAC as opposed to another advocacy organization? Well, there are a lot of great advocacy organizations for public lands and wildlife in Wyoming. And I think it was eye opening last year to see how a lot of the advocacy seemed to fall flat with a number of legislators. You know, I went to public town halls where, you know, co sponsors of, for instance, Senate resolution too, which would have transferred all federal public lands in the state in Wyoming with the intent of selling them off. I mean, the public was in up in arms about this. And you know, I remember clearly in Cody, one town hall where One of the co sponsors of that bill said he didn't care that he was going to introduce the legislation again if he had the opportunity. And he didn't care what the constituents thought. And so it was in that moment, really that my eyes opened that we need to get involved in the, on the election side of things if our legislators aren't going to represent our interests when we, when we talk to them. So Political Action Committee is really an organization that's meant to inform the voting public. So it's coming from bus Wyoming nights, no special interest, just outdoors people that want to protect their public lands. And then we want to talk to voters before the election to say, hey, this is what this person has voted for in the past. This is what they say that their stance on this issue is. And we think you should know that before you go to the ballot box.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Because a lot of your traditional 501 groups, they can talk about what issues are important in an election and they can ask you to sort of vote on behalf of conservation, but they can't get involved in saying, this candidate did this. This candidate is a better choice if you care about public lands. That's correct.

[Zach Lynch]

Right, Correct. Yeah. And we're not. Just to clarify, we're not coordinating with any party or, you know, any candidate or their campaign, which is really important for us. You know, we're nonpartisan and we just want people to be aware of our core issues, which are one, public lands and public hands. No questions about that. Two, public wildlife. We're really opposed to transferable landowner tags or any privatization of wildlife in Wyoming. And three, scientific management of wildlife. Politicians should not be in charge of wildlife populations. Biologists should be.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about the landowner tag issue? I know there was a proposal or there is a proposal, I haven't really kept up on it. But this is an issue that pops up every now and then in different states. And I wonder if you can talk about what the status is in Wyoming.

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah. The first attempt was about 10 years ago to make landowner tags transferable. So as it is in Wyoming now, you know, if you're a landowner, you have more than 160 acres and you can, you know, prove that you have a lot of wildlife on your land, then you can get a few, an appropriate amount of landowner tags, but you cannot sell those to anyone. There are a lot of opportunities for landowners to make money from hunting indirectly, namely trespass leases, you know, and they can control access for hunters and they can get damage from wildlife hurting their crops but again, no tag is transferable. But We've seen legislation 10 years ago and then more recently this last year that would allow landowners to sell those tags off.

[Randall Williams]

Can I jump in and ask you a question?

[Zach Lynch]

Totally.

[Randall Williams]

Those landowner tags, would they be good only on that landowner's land or are they good like unit wide, like the. Someone could buy them and then go hunt on public land or wherever with them.

[Zach Lynch]

It's for the area. Now, you know, the state of Wyoming Gaming Fish Department has issued tags for specific properties, essentially where there's like an, let's say an alfalfa field in the middle of the Bighorn Basin and there's, you know, 400 headed, you know, pronghorn there. They've issued special tags for damage mitigation. But generally this is not to do with damage. This is people being able to sell ELK licenses for $10,000 or $20,000, whatever. And it completely circumvents the draw system. It doesn't put money in the state system at all. It just lines the pockets of large landowners who want to sell off all their tags. And we've already seen so much landowner capture. For instance, I hunted a pronghorn area in northern Wyoming this fall. In all, because we've had a lot of issues with blue tongue. We see reduced pronghorn numbers. All the type one tags in that, all the rifle tags in that area are our go to landowners already.

[Randall Williams]

Gotcha.

[Zach Lynch]

I had to get a type 0 muzzleloader tag in order to have a chance to hunt a male pronghorn.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. So when the tag numbers get shrunk, that, that pool of landowner tags doesn't shrink in proportion. It just eats up more of the pie.

[Zach Lynch]

Correct.

[Randall Williams]

Gotcha.

[Zach Lynch]

But I mean, there's already, you know, that landowner capture of tags is a, Is another issue in the current system, which is not perfect. But what we're taking a political stance on is that these tags should not be transferable. And we think it goes across against state law which says that wildlife is, is in the possession of the people of Wyoming, not individual property.

[Brody Henderson]

There's actually a Title 23 in law in Wyoming right now that says there shouldn't be private ownership of wildlife. So in essence, that's already in law. I just think there's things happening on the state level that there's a certain subgroup of people that want to privatize it for. For profit.

[Randall Williams]

So.

Gotcha. And this is a, this is a packet. You said it's nonpartisan, it's going to be grassroots funded. There's obviously a Lot of money in politics. What's your strategy for making an impact with, with grassroots funding and what I assume would be maybe more limited resources than some of the bigger stakeholders out there.

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah, I mean, we have to be really strategic in how we spend money that we raise. So we don't know which candidates are running until the May filing deadline. So we'll at that point, you know, see what kind of war chest we have and, and see what races we can really make an impact in. But generally statewide races aren't as expensive as federal ones. And so with grassroots funding, we can still make a sizable impact and focus on key legislative races and hopefully raise enough money to get involved in the governor's race. Because the governor is going to be, it's going to be a very competitive race this year, we believe. Again, we don't know who all is running, but the governor has a lot to say about, you know, public lands and wildlife policy in Wyoming.

[Randall Williams]

Gotcha. And I'm going to, I'm going to detour here from the questions that I'd shared with you and ask you this. You both mentioned that this is your first sort of foray into politics. If there are people listening to this that don't like what's going on in their state, they're frustrated by what they see in their state legislature. Have you learned anything or have your eyes been open to, to the reality of getting involved in something like this? Like, what advice would you give for that, that are in the position that you were, you know, last, last legislative session?

[Zach Lynch]

I mean, it's eye opening to see the disconnect between what I, you know, would argue, like most people value in Wyoming, like regardless where you are on the political spectrum, most people highly value public lands and public wildlife. And to see now, you know, paying closer attention to what's happening in legislature is there's so few sportsmen in the legislature. Legislature. Right. So few people hunt, fish, rock climb, whatever, you know, they, they do not value those activities because they do not do them. And a lot of those people are not even from this state. They've moved here recently and have political ambitions. And so that's been really eye opening to me to see like how we're not being represented well in Cheyenne by and large. And I would encourage people to get involved in any way. Right. Whether that's simply showing up to town hall, talking to your representatives, first and foremost, learning who your representatives are. A lot of people, when they think about politics, they think about politics at the federal level or maybe the governor's race, but they're not thinking about their local representatives. And those folks in Cheyenne or Helena or whatever often have a greater impact on your ability to hunt, fish and recreate than, than, you know, the President United States does. So educate yourself about what's going on at the state level, at the local level, and then see, you know, we all have, we're working people, so we, we have limited time and resources and see where, you know, you can make an impact. And we would argue that, you know, supporting or, you know, a PAC is, has a direct impact because we could get involved in election and, and we can show you where we're spending your money and, you know, hopefully elect some people who are going to stand up for our land and wildlife.

[Randall Williams]

Gotcha.

[Brody Henderson]

Well, yeah, Randall, I, I'd probably piggyback off Zach there. Just real quick, on the website front, we got a great website, but it's. I think we needed. I, I think it's easy to get to the ballot box and see those big names and pick the big name, the big names on the ballot. But I think it's some of these local races have kind of been put on the back burner because you don't know who it is or what they're about. So with our pack and our website, we really want to showcase who, you know, who supports and who opposes public lands.

[Randall Williams]

So, yeah, education is huge.

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

You mentioned the website. Is that the best place for people to go if they want to learn more about Protect Wyoming pack?

[Brody Henderson]

I would say yes. And then we do have a newsletter coming out that people, if they want to connect with us, they can connect through the website and then get linked up with the newsletter about what's going on and just stay factual on what's, what's happening with the legislator.

[Randall Williams]

Well, Chris, Zach, we really appreciate you guys joining us and we appreciate what you're doing for hunters and anglers in Wyoming and, and setting an example for folks across the country who want to get involved. Thank you.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, thank you guys.

[Zach Lynch]

Appreciate it.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yep.

[Randall Williams]

We got to get some more. I mean, I'm always like, inspired when I see people just deciding to do something.

Go out and try and kick some ass.

Yeah, whatever, you know, whatever your commitments are here there like to, to actually get off your ass and, and do something. So that's, that's commendable. I hope that they see some success there.

Yep.

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[Randall Williams]

Let's play fake news.

A pet tape and rush up. Pizza gig, Balloon one big foot lighting a ufo. Steven's a better shot than Giannis. So is that so.

[Phil Taylor]

This opportunity comes once every few weeks. You can do anything you set your minds to, guys, except like teleport or fly.

[Randall Williams]

My two boys would be deeply upset by what you just did to that song. Oh, no.

Oh, is that.

[Phil Taylor]

Is that one of the favorites in the house right now?

[Sponsor/Announcer]

That is.

[Randall Williams]

It is amazing what a. What a cultural touch point that is.

Yep.

I mean, Clay Newcomb knows the words to that.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, yeah. My oldest went through a. Went through a phase with that song a couple years ago too.

[Randall Williams]

Clay Newcomb was reciting the words to that on the live tour before his Al Hooting contest. Really?

[Phil Taylor]

That surprises me.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, I mean, mom's spaghetti and everything.

[Brody Henderson]

No way.

[Phil Taylor]

I'd say in the grand scheme of the hip hop landscape, that is like pretty clean for Clay's Newcombe scale. So I can see it.

[Randall Williams]

Dropped my chair a little bit.

[Brody Henderson]

Now you're centered in there, bud.

[Randall Williams]

All righty. Well, you know the rules here. Let me bring them up again so that I can read them to you. Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three imposters. Your job is to fix your figure out which one is true.

So this is two lies and one truth. Not two truths and one lie.

This is a multiple choice.

Gotcha.

[Phil Taylor]

Three. Three lies and one.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah, we'll start.

[Randall Williams]

We'll go one at a time. One headline at a time here. So Phil, can you bring up the first headline?

[Phil Taylor]

I'd love to.

[Randall Williams]

A three legged blank has learned to Hunt in a completely unexpected way. Is it a grizzly bear, a wolf, a lion or a man in Tennessee?

[Brody Henderson]

Well, now there's three legged bears, wolves and lions all over them.

[Randall Williams]

But have they learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way?

Before we answer this? Oh, yeah, it is five years ago. Was it five? I shot a three legged black bear in Colorado. That was huge.

[Brody Henderson]

I almost did two years ago. And then her little cub came out.

[Randall Williams]

Ooh.

[Brody Henderson]

But I like shanks, so I wasn't gonna.

[Randall Williams]

So that's gonna impact. That's gonna impact. My man.

A three legged blank has learned to hunt in a completely unexpected way. Now the conceit of this game is that unless you've seen this newspaper article, there's no way to make any sort of an educated guess here.

[Brody Henderson]

True. I could see it. Multiple three legged folks coming in from Tennessee. Okay.

[Phil Taylor]

Okay.

[Brody Henderson]

Gotta really hammer down here.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Brody Henderson]

Let's go. What kind of lion, I wonder?

[Randall Williams]

African lion.

Oh, Mufasa.

[Brody Henderson]

Simba.

[Phil Taylor]

You deliberately disobeyed me.

[Randall Williams]

Well, we've got our answers.

[Brody Henderson]

Yep.

[Randall Williams]

Brody says sea lion. Corey says be wolf.

[Brody Henderson]

Let's go.

[Randall Williams]

We've got a correct answer in the room. The answer is C. Lion.

[Brody Henderson]

Oh, come on.

[Randall Williams]

Per new scientist, Jacob, an 11 year old lion in Queen Elizabeth National Park, Uganda, made headlines last year when he and his brother were filmed swimming 1.5 km across a crocodile filled river. The animal lost a leg in a poacher's snare, but has managed to adopt an ambush style hunting strategy resembling that of leopards. Researchers who were puzzled by Jacob's continued survival made the discovery via drone footage.

Did he lose a back leg or a front leg?

Phil, pull up that picture.

Yeah, I couldn't tell because that really impacts things.

[Phil Taylor]

Back, left, back leg.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, I could see it working. Yeah, I could see it working.

[Sponsor/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

I mean, it was kind of interesting. They're saying that they don't see too many examples of animals adopting completely new strategies that their species doesn't otherwise demonstrate. And so, you know, it raises questions for them in terms of like behavioral adaptation.

Yeah, the black bear I shot had lost his front left leg.

Oh, and that line's also missing an eye. I tried to work that in, but then I just figured I'd add that.

[Brody Henderson]

Man, cats are wicked smart.

[Randall Williams]

Oh yeah. Phil, can we have our second headline? So Brody's up one. Nothing. Geez. Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a 650-year-old blank in these bird nests. Is it a sandal?

Are they collecting these things from corpses?

I don't know, actually, that's an unanswerable question, as you'll find.

But it would be interesting.

Generations of bearded vultures stashed humans treasures, including a 650 year old blank in these birds nests. Your choices are, is it a sandal, is it an urn, is it a pipe, or is it a knife?

[Brody Henderson]

You guys ever come across a vulture nest?

[Randall Williams]

Mm. Mm.

[Brody Henderson]

I came across one. I think it was in Illinois, and it was like on the side of a cliff. I could hear like a light screeching caught my attention. So I looked in and there was a. Just bones and hair and poop everywhere. And there was one little small baby vulture in there, like bouncing up and down. It didn't look real.

[Randall Williams]

Bones and hair and poop everywhere. Sounds like the mud room when I leave my dogs there for a long day.

Did you put your answer down yet, Corey?

[Zach Lynch]

No.

[Randall Williams]

I know what I want to put down, but I can't.

[Brody Henderson]

650 year old sandal.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, that would be an old sandal, but it'd also be an old urn.

It's also not really a treasure.

No.

[Brody Henderson]

Ooh, treasure.

[Randall Williams]

Flip them over, boys.

[Phil Taylor]

Hold on.

[Randall Williams]

I didn't answer yet.

Brody's still thinking. He's. He's still thinking. Based on all of the available information.

[Brody Henderson]

Not trivia.

[Randall Williams]

Brody, what's your answer here?

My answer is a pipe, a pipe.

And Corey says d. A knife. The correct answer is a sandal.

[Brody Henderson]

Oh, come on.

[Randall Williams]

That's not a treasure.

Per Smithsonian magazine, archaeologists in southern Spain recently recovered more than 200 human artifacts from historical bearded vulture nests in southern Spain. I rewrote that sentence and didn't delete southern Spain. So that's where that's. There's a redundancy. One of the most remarkable finds is a 650-year-old sandal made from woven twigs and grasses. According to a study published last month in the journal Ecology. This is where it gets interesting. Bearded vultures have been extinct in southern Spain for 70 to 130 years, depending on the specific region. But while the birds have disappeared from the area, their well preserved nests can still be found there, often tucked into protected hidden spaces in the mountains.

I think it came off a corpse.

That would be fun. That would be fun. Phil, can we get a third headline, please?

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, we sure can.

[Randall Williams]

Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths, and scientists don't know why. Is it their offspring, anacondas, tree branches or discarded rope?

[Brody Henderson]

This is a global fake news segment.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, Bolivian river dolphins sometimes dangle blank in their mouths and scientists don't know why. Is it their offspring, anacondas, tree branches or discarded rope?

[Brody Henderson]

I can easily get rid of two of those, so. Pretty fly for a white guy.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, I was gonna say.

Man, this background music really makes things tense. Phil.

The most violent idea, the most violent mosh pit I ever participated in was at an Offspring show. Really? Yeah. We had big pizzas that they're giving out for free and you'd throw them on the ground, and it was. It was like a big banana peel. So you just push like five people into it and it all flip.

Did you emerge from that whole thing bloodied?

No, I was unscathed. But there were many good men we lost that day. You got an answer, Corey?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, you know it.

[Phil Taylor]

Do you know that the lead singer, Dexter Gordon, I think is his name Dexter something? He's got like a doctorate in chemistry.

[Brody Henderson]

Or something like that.

[Phil Taylor]

Wow.

[Brody Henderson]

He's an educated man, the name like that. Yeah, you better.

[Randall Williams]

That's the best thing we have on this show today. Corey's got an answer. Brody's got. Corey says A, their offspring. Brody says D discarded rope. The correct answer is anacondas.

[Brody Henderson]

Oh, come on. This is.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, I know. It's hard to guess these when you don't have any information.

Can't be very big anacondas.

[Phil Taylor]

It's almost like it's a flawed game.

[Randall Williams]

This one comes from a website. Well, I think that's what's fun about it. It is fun.

[Phil Taylor]

Where'd you learn?

[Randall Williams]

We're basically just rolling it. Rolling a die and seeing who comes up with. So this one comes from ZME Science, and I'm just going to read a few sentences from their article because it's written in a very funny way. Imagine the excitement of biologists from the Noel Kempf Mercado Museum of Natural History during one seemingly uneventful day in August 2021.

Really building it up that day, they.

Saw not one, but two Bolivian river dolphins with their heads above the river. But that was really nothing compared to what they noticed next. Taking out their cameras to snap some quick photos of this extraordinarily rare sighting, the researchers could now see that the two dolphins were holding an anaconda in their beaks, handling it like it was a plush toy. This was absolutely shocking to members of the teams. It's safe to say something like this had never been witnessed, or at least this is the first time it was documented. Bolivians Benny. Anacondas are apex predators, meaning no one messes with them. Apart from a single case of cannibalism no one had ever seen Bolivian anacondas getting killed or eaten by any other wild animal.

[Brody Henderson]

It happened once.

[Randall Williams]

How did they know that they killed it? They could have just found it floating dead.

It was alive when they started.

Well, still, they said they.

They said they messed with it for, like, six to eight minutes, picking it up out of the water and then diving down holding it in their beaks. And they just were like. Their assumption is that they were playing with it.

Yeah, but that's like. Well, playing with stuff is like, well documented behavior from dolphins. Like, I've seen dolphins mess with redfish and throw them back and forth. I've seen them kill tarpon just for fun and then leave them. But this behind.

An apex predator, meaning no one messes with them in their ecosystem. Yeah, well, Brody squeezed the fun out of that question.

I just don't find it remarkable by.

A score of one to nothing.

Don't find it that remarkable, Randall.

Congratulations, Brody. Let's see, Phil. How's the chat doing today? It's been a scintillating program so far.

[Phil Taylor]

It sure has. The chat. Not a lot of questions from the chat today, so get those in. Your chances are that could be bad.

[Randall Williams]

Because if there's not questions, that means there's comments. Looking at scary numbers.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, no, most. Most people are.

[Randall Williams]

They're still talking about Phil's vasectomy.

[Phil Taylor]

My vasectomy. They're asking Randall about beating off a mountain lion, which, if you haven't listened to the last episode of the meteor podcast, check that out.

[Randall Williams]

But I want to shout out Brad.

[Phil Taylor]

Weber, who says, hey, thanks to you and the team. Or for the shout out to our bunny hunting group. Last week it brought us great luck. 30 rabbits and a bonus raccoon.

[Randall Williams]

That's a good day.

[Phil Taylor]

We are enjoying hospital.

[Randall Williams]

I wish we got more of that. I wish we got like a, hey, we're going to this. Good luck, and then a follow up.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, that's great.

[Randall Williams]

Then we'd have a better sense of our ability to confer luck on the audience.

[Phil Taylor]

We could just pivot the idea of the show completely. We could just kind of be like a Phil.

[Randall Williams]

I've been rethinking the whole thing.

[Phil Taylor]

Well, from the ground up, we'll see how that pans out. Free crank asks Brody.

[Randall Williams]

Did you see?

[Phil Taylor]

The Pennsylvania Game Commission wants to change hunting season in PA Again. They want to possibly move the opening day of rifle to the week before Thanksgiving.

[Randall Williams]

You know, my dad just sent that to me this very morning, and I think it will be like if they made that change, I think it'd be very unpopular to, like, have Thanksgiving in the middle of deer season. They recently changed opening day of rifle season from the Monday after Thanksgiving to the Saturday after Thanksgiving, which you would think would have been a popular move, but a lot of people hated it. So I think backing it up a week and sticking a national holiday in the middle of. Of deer season would be unpopular. That's my thoughts.

[Brody Henderson]

Thank you.

[Zach Lynch]

Brody.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, we had a comment from Valencour that was quickly followed up from by somebody else. He says, any hot tips or advice on the best way to prepare marmot? And then I don't remember who, but someone said, watch out for the plague, because apparently that's a. That's a real thing.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, I'm not endorsing this practice, but I would have to guess some sort of a slow cook. Listen, fall off the bone marmot gloves.

The traditional way is to. And we were gonna, you know, we were gonna try this for the last cookbook we did, the outdoor cookbook. There are cultures that just, like, cook them inside their.

Like, with the hair on and everything.

Yeah, try that. But I shot a couple Mormon marmots. I did not shoot a couple Mormons. I promise. I shot a couple of marmots years ago in Colorado. And they were the hardest thing to skin I have ever tried to skin. Like, covered in greasy fat. Like, you know how squirrels are hard to skin, hard to get that hide off. And I will never eat another marmot again. But good luck to you.

[Brody Henderson]

What if you tried dipping it in a pork?

[Randall Williams]

I think Randall's right. Just, like, put it in a crock pot for about 36 hours and maybe.

With, like, a buffalo wing.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Preparation.

[Zach Lynch]

Lots of barbecue shows.

[Randall Williams]

Admire. Please keep us updated. Valencour.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, we got Christy Holmes in the chat saying me and 36 ladies are going smelting tomorrow in Maine. She was on One Minute fishing last winter.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Wish us luck.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, good luck. Oh, fried smell.

That's a lot of good. That's a lot of ladies. I. I assume that's not a typo. Me and 30. I don't think I've ever done anything.

Oh, yeah, it's a real social thing.

Like, I don't know, 36 people, Brody.

Well, we should go there and go smelting with these 36 people.

Best of luck to you, Christy. Please keep us updated.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, Mogor is in the chat. Hi, Randall. Will there be a movie review segment in the future? Chin scratching emoji. It's been a very long time since the last one. Thank you for your answer, Moore.

[Randall Williams]

I would love to do another movie review segment. To be honest, their schedule has been a bit. There's been a lot of uncertainty around who's handling what around the holiday, and we've had a sort of quickly, you know, long story short, we're a little behind the eight ball. But I will get a movie review going here soon, and it's gonna. It's gonna blow everything else that I've done previously out of the water.

You should allow the chat to choose the movie you review.

[Phil Taylor]

We get a lot of recommendations.

[Randall Williams]

I have a question for the chat. Would do you think con the movie Congo is a good meat eater movie club movie. It's not really hunting, but they're animals and some of them do die. Most actually, if you haven't seen the movie, they all die at the end.

[Brody Henderson]

Oh, geez.

[Randall Williams]

Let us know while we wait for.

[Phil Taylor]

Those results to file in. We've got a question from Seth. Anyone else? Mix organ meats with their ground. I was contemplating doing a 1 to 10 ratio, adding some liver to my burger meat. Would that be a mistake?

[Randall Williams]

No. I mean, I've never done it, but it sounds like something that in countries where they make a lot of interesting sausages, it sounds like something. Sure.

I don't see why it wouldn't work. I've thrown like heart and with my burger grind before.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, I mean, good way to save and utilize the liver. Eat that hard on its own, though, would be my.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, that's so good.

[Brody Henderson]

But the liver. Yeah, toss it in there.

[Phil Taylor]

Cool. We'll do one more before we get to next guest. This is from Blaine. I've been looking for a Teddy Roosevelt documentary to read. I think he means biography, but there are so many to choose from. You guys have any advice on the best one? Randall, if you've.

[Randall Williams]

I think the new classic is Douglas Brinkley Wilderness Warrior. There's another one, Theodore Rex.

That's a tomb. That's like a Wilderness Warrior is like a brick, man.

Yeah.

I think while Randall's thinking about an actual biography, if you want something a little lighter, that's like a real fun read and it has a lot of adventure and craziness in it. Read river of Doubt.

Oh, yeah. Canvas. It's very.

It's a very cool. It's like post Teddy's presidency where he's like bumming because he's getting old and he wants to do one last adventure and he goes to look for the source of a river in the Amazon. It's super cool.

Yeah. Edmund Morris, Theodore Rex, and then I'm sure. What's the name of the guy that writes biographies of everybody?

I know exactly who you're talking about. I can't think of his name.

Yeah, there's a lot out there. I think the Brinkley. Brinkley, the Wilderness Warrior really focuses on his conservation legacy. And if that's what gets you interested, I'd check that one out. Yeah.

Is there one called the Rough Riders, or am I just making that up?

I'm sure there's a book called the Rough Riders. Google's Failing Me.

[Brody Henderson]

The Naturalists.

[Phil Taylor]

Randall, there's no way you have not seen this movie based on the director and the cast. But someone suggested the Legacy of a Whitetail Deer Hunter, which is a Jody Hill movie.

[Randall Williams]

You know what? I really wanted to do that, and I thought it would be fun to get. If it's the one I'm thinking of. It's. It's a movie about. Is this the one about the guy who has the TV show?

[Phil Taylor]

Yes.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Josh Brolin's in it. Carrie Coon, Scoot Mary, Danny McBride.

[Randall Williams]

I thought it would be really funny to do that with Steve and Giannis and, like, ask them about.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, sure, the.

[Randall Williams]

You know, the. The overlap. But they both summarily rejected that out of hand because it's one of those things. They're too close to it to even enjoy it. So that's.

[Phil Taylor]

That's the. That's the whole point.

[Randall Williams]

I don't want to be in a room with Steve getting grouchy again already.

[Phil Taylor]

I mean, I don't either, but I think you should do.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, you should do that Buffalo Hunter Nicholas Cage movie. Oh, yeah, Steve was kind. We should do that one tangentially and, like, just like. Yeah, kind of a little bit at one point involved with.

Yeah. The name of that one. Let's do that. Let's do that one.

I forget what it's called, but I've been meaning to, like. Yeah, I mean, and check it out.

[Brody Henderson]

Butcher's Crossing.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, yeah, Butcher's Crossing. Well, I think we've got a. I think we've got through our question and answer segment here, because Mark Kenyon has been waiting very patiently on the line.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, I told him he could leave.

[Randall Williams]

And come back later, and he's been watching now 1140. Oh, I'm looking at our schedule. We're way behind. I don't know how we did that, because we only had two segments.

No, listen, we always go.

Not again. Next up, we're joined by Mark Kenyon who recently became Meat Eater's Director of Conservation. Mark, it's good to see you. Welcome to the show.

[Brody Henderson]

Thanks, Randall. It's great to be here. It was, it was more painful than anything having to sit here and hear you guys talk about book recommendations and not be able to speak. So glad I'm finally on.

[Randall Williams]

Please chime in. Do you have a, do you have a favorite TR biography?

[Brody Henderson]

Well, like Brody said, the, the iconic one is the Wilderness Warrior, but it is a huge doorstop of a book. A couple lighter reading versions that will get you some interesting insight with some adventure along the way would be Leave It As It Is by David Gessner. That's an interesting one that pairs a travel narrative with kind of an exploration of Roosevelt and kind of wrestling with his legacy. And then another one is the Naturalist, and that takes a look at Roosevelt's conservation legacy. And, and from a slightly more, I mean, as the title would suggest, not as much on the hunting side, but a little bit more about his background as an amateur naturalist birder, all those different things early on in his life and then how that kind of came along with him. So, so those are two easier reading options to consider.

[Randall Williams]

Clearly, we should have just pulled you in earlier in this discussion, but I'm glad that, I'm glad that our faithful listeners have finally gotten you to weigh in on that. Mark, if folks are paying attention to the news lately, they know that you are the newest Meat Eater Director of Conservation. You inherit your position from a worthy man in Ryan Callahan, who's moved on to become the CEO at bha. Can you tell us what it means to be the Director of Conservation at a company like Meat Eater?

[Brody Henderson]

It's a huge honor. It's something that I'm just really, really thankful to get to do. It's some, it's the kind of work that I've been dreaming of and working towards for a really long time. You know, I think most people immediately know me from what brought me in, which was my whitetail passion and of course, Wired Hunt and all those things. But parallel to all that, I've had this growing desire to find ways that I can make a difference on the conservation side. And so that's led me to tackle all sorts of side hustle projects like writing my books about public lands and wildlife and, you know, doing increasingly new things within the meteor world, whether that's, you know, founding the Working for Wildlife tour or representing us with the Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership at events and all sorts of different things. So it's been a Long time coming. It worked out really great that, you know, Cal was moving on to even bigger and better things and me and him had worked together on so much over the last few years that this is a pretty natural thing to step into. And I'm just really excited because I'm on fire about it. And there's a great need at the moment too. So I'm excited to, to continue to build off this great conservation, you know, foundation that Cal and Steve and really the whole team has built over the years.

[Randall Williams]

And what are the types of things like week to, maybe not day to day, but week to week sort of. What, what does that role encompass in terms of like, who are you talking to, what are you doing, what are you working towards?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, you know, there's a lot of different things that it's going to entail. I think on one hand there's like the long term strategy, which is thinking about how do we at Mediator strategically rally our resources and our voice and our platforms to work towards better conservation outcomes. So sometimes that's reacting to a bad piece of legislation. How do we educate everyone who's listening to us? How do we inspire and activate people to, to do something about it? How do we use our, you know, our funding or our relationships or anything like that to move the needle? On the flip side, then it's thinking about how do we think about conservation storytelling and the content we do, and, and thinking, you know, a long ways out, where are we needed on that front? And then kind of on a day to day basis, it's making sure that, you know, we at Mediator are tapped into what's happening, whether it be, you know, on the wildlife management side of things or the public land side of things, or the million different news bites that are popping up every day. Understanding what's happening, talking to our conservation partners, talking to contacts, you know, in Washington, D.C. or in state capitals, and figuring out what are the issues that are impacting hunters and anglers and wildlife and wild places. And is, you know, is any one of those things something that we should be engaging in? Whether that be just with, you know, us educating or us doing some other things too. So that's a little bit of what it's going to look like. We'll be doing more content, more news, more education. And then I think what I'm really excited about is finding ways to help not just us at the company, but our entire community more actively engage. How do we actually, like, get boots on the ground and do good things for wildlife and wild places? How do we show up in person to make sure that public land stay in public hands? How do we. How do we do these things in really concrete ways? I think that's been a trademark of Meteor in many ways. And, you know, whether it be our content, storytelling, cookbooks. So how do we continue to do that on the conservation front? Maybe in. In bolder ways than we ever have.

[Randall Williams]

Well, I know everybody here is excited to have you in that role because it's a great fit and looking forward to seeing what you do there. But we brought you on today to talk about another bit of news and another person who is nominated for a new job here. And it's sort of been flying under the radar, but recently there's been some attention pointed to the administration's nomination of Steve Pierce to direct the Bureau of Land Management. And there's a bit of controversy around it. Can you tell us a little bit about this individual and maybe what's at stake with the nomination? Like, what is. What does the BLM director do and who's the guy that might have that job?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, so I'll give you a very short answer to the first part of that, and then we can dive in further if you want. But the director of the Bureau of Land Management oversees a massive swath of our federal public lands.

[Zach Lynch]

It's.

[Brody Henderson]

It's somewhere in the, you know, somewhere between 240 and 250 million acres of our public lands are managed by this person. He gets to spearhead how resource management plans are put into the ground and developed. So what actually happens on this landscape? This person will oversee and approve or rescind the rules that this organization makes. Really important things that dictate, you know, how we manage these landscapes, how we extract resources from them, how we utilize them and allow others to utilize them, whether that's for extraction or grazing or recreation or conservation. This is the person that, you know, part of what the BLM has done in the past and other land managing agencies is they assess the lands that they manage and they determine if those are appropriate lands for disposal. Even that's something that does happen. That's something that this person could do. So whoever sits in this seat has wide authority over a big chunk of ground that, you know, hunters and anglers really care about. I mean, this is some of our very best pronghorn hunting, mule deer hunting, elk hunting, sage grouse habitat, all sorts of grouse habitat. This is big, wide open, beautiful country that a lot of us hold dear. So, yeah, this is a pretty important job. And there are Some red flags right now about Steve Pierce because of, you know, not just one thing he said. I feel like, you know, it's easy these days in the era of cancel culture, if you say one thing wrong. Right. It would be pretty easy to get in big trouble for just saying one thing wrong. Steve Pierce has had a long legacy of saying many things that don't come off too well when it comes to public lands. A lot of statements, a lot of letters and actual support of legislation in his previous jobs that do not bode well for someone in this position. So he was a congressman from. He was a Congressman twice from 2003 to 2009, I believe, and 11 to 19 in the state of New Mexico. And over the course of that time frame, multiple instances where he's spoken about how the federal government shouldn't own lands, how federal public lands should be sold off, how the land estate should be shrunk. He co authored a letter to the speaker of the house back in 2012. I think it was pushing for the sale of public lands. He co sponsored a bill that would sell public lands. He supported the Jason Chavez 2017 bill that would sell off three some million acres of public lands. And just I could go on and on. There's so many of these examples. So yeah, that is a little bit concerning if somebody who has actively tried to sell off our public lands or actively tried to shrink public lands, if he's now in charge of them. So at the high level, that's why this is raising some eyebrows.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. And I mean, it seems very clear that it's like a fox in the hen house situation, potentially. How have conservation groups reacted to this news? I believe he was nominated at the end of last year and his, his appoint or his confirmation hearings are still forthcoming. But what's, what's the word on the street right now from folks that care about public lands and fish and wildlife?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, it has been, you know, as you would expect, a lot of concern, a lot of people raising the same points that I just did. The, the fox in the hen house analogy is perfect. A group of 80 or so environmental and conservation organizations sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee just recently expressing, you know, serious concerns along the lines of what I've just mentioned. So, yeah, there's a lot of pushback. My, our good buddy Cal, he has been sounding the alarm at backcountry hunters and anglers. I know he was just in D.C. recently talking to folks about this as well. So yeah, I think the alarm is Being rung. I think there is reason to. You know, you want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt if he gets the job, but I would like him to do so if that's going to happen, with some commitments on the record to not do, to not pursue some of the ideas that he's voiced support for in the past.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, no, that makes total sense. Do you know if there's, if there's a confirmation hearing scheduled and then, you know, in the meantime, how can people make a difference if they want to weigh in on this?

[Brody Henderson]

So the hearing has not been announced yet, but it seems like it's imminent. You know, everyone's talking about it happening sometime soon. And I think what we can do about it is, is let our. Here's the thing. From everything I understand and from everyone I've talked to, it's very, very unlikely that his approval, that his nomination will not be approved. He's likely going to get the job. So then the question is, well, are we wasting our time raising a stink about it because he's going to get the job no matter what? So why are we, why are we going to use those resources and what. It seems like the play here seems to be that in this nomination hearing, he has to stand up in front of everyone and answer questions under oath about what his plans are, what his views are, what the direction of this is going to be, and he's going to have to answer for his past statements and actions as well. And so what we as hunters and anglers and people who care about these places can do is we can ask our senators, especially if they sit on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee, who will get to be a part of that. We can ask them to ask these tough questions. We can explain to them why this matters to us in whatever state you live in and why it's important that if Steve Pierce gets this job in, in this job interview, that he's going to effectively be on, you know, he's got to answer for some of these stuff. So BHA has done a really cool and easy thing that for anyone wants to participate in, they can. If you go to backcountry hunters and anglers Instagram account, there's a link to send in what you think your senators should ask him during this job interview. And he gives you a couple, three, four suggested questions, or you can ask your own. But this is just how we would want to press him. What we would like this guy to have to answer to on the record and provide some explanation for. So things like you know, what will you do to ensure public lands stay in public hands or aren't sold or transferred? I would love for him to have to answer that question on the record and, and hopefully we can get some commitments, some guarantees from him publicly that he won't pursue those things. Same thing goes for many other questions related to how, you know, the BLM will balance conservation with resource extraction. There's a lot of concerns there, so we probably can't stop it, but we might be able to frame the conversation around his role and his taking that role in such a way that it, you know, can maybe at least put some public pressure on him and keep him. And keep things from going as badly as maybe they could. And, hey, maybe he'll turn out great. Maybe the things he said in the past, maybe he feels differently now. I hope so. But we should, we should definitely ask him to, to speak on that publicly and give us some assurances.

[Randall Williams]

Mark, really appreciate you taking the time. Folks can follow you to learn more about this and many other issues. And yeah, we'll keep our eyes on, on Mr. Pierce and yeah, looking forward to seeing what you do in the new roles. Thanks for coming on.

[Brody Henderson]

Appreciate it. Hey, Phil, Good luck with that vasectomy. I had to have two of them.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Phil Taylor]

Hope I have better luck than you, Mark. Thank you. I think that'll make a difference.

[Zach Lynch]

You're well wished.

[Randall Williams]

You're fattening 50% over there.

[Brody Henderson]

Fingers crossed for it, pal.

[Randall Williams]

Take care, Mark. We'll see you.

[Brody Henderson]

Thanks, Mark.

[Randall Williams]

Seems like an opportunity for a malpractice suit there.

I don't think it's as rare as you'd like to think.

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[Randall Williams]

Geez, we're just running behind time, but that's because we're having so much fun. And our next segment is Meat Pole.

You sure about that? It's a Meat eater Radio live.

Oh, that's right. We're doing something brand new today for the very first time we've lied to one of the hosts in the studio about what we're doing. We're actually going to play do. Do a segment called Meet Theater. Brody, I'm passing out scripts now. I don't know if you saw the last Me theater. I'll explain it. Just one second. When I get filmed, his.

Scared Not.

There you go, Phil.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, thanks, Randall. Appreciate it.

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All right.

[Phil Taylor]

This is awesome.

[Brody Henderson]

I heard rumors about this, but, well.

[Randall Williams]

Meat Theater is where we take out stun. Sorry. I'll begin again. Meet Theater is where we take outstanding hunting literature and feed it into artificial intelligence. Asking the computer to generate a short dramatic script to be performed. Performed live by untrained actors. For today's performance, we're revisiting another classic Ernest Hemingway story, the 1952 novella the Old man and the Sea. Director's note. I had to ask the AI to revise its original script to include a speaking part for the fish. So we had three roles?

[Zach Lynch]

Yes.

[Randall Williams]

Then I asked the AI to make the fish use a lot of profanity. But then I thought better of it and asked the AI to replace those swear words with some tamer 1950s alternatives so that the salt would all be very, very realistic. I'm playing Santiago, the fisherman.

Brody, I really apologize to everyone for this.

This is a fan favorite. Brody, Cory, you're playing Manoline, who's a small boy, so I'd like you to speak in the highest voice you can. And Brody, you're playing the fish. Isn't that exciting?

[Brody Henderson]

Lucky.

[Randall Williams]

Very exciting.

Phil, take it away.

I'll just bide my time until you get to me.

[Phil Taylor]

The setting is Cuba, the 1950s. Santiago is an old fisherman. He has gone 84 days without catching a fish. Manolin, a local boy, helps him prepare his fishing lines in the early dawn outside his small shack.

[Randall Williams]

That's you, Cory.

[Phil Taylor]

84 days.

[Brody Henderson]

Santiago. My father says I must fish in another boat.

[Randall Williams]

I know.

[Brody Henderson]

But you are still the best fisherman. You taught me everything.

[Randall Williams]

Your father is right. A boy should be with a lucky boat.

[Brody Henderson]

Luck is a thing that comes in many forms.

[Randall Williams]

Tomorrow you will catch a fish.

[Brody Henderson]

I can feel it.

[Randall Williams]

Perhaps tomorrow I will go. Go far out, beyond all the others.

[Brody Henderson]

I wish I could go with you.

[Randall Williams]

But you're with another boat now. But bring me sardines for bait in the morning, and we will speak of baseball.

[Brody Henderson]

DiMaggio streak continues.

[Randall Williams]

Of course. He is a great man. Even with the bone spur in his heel, he plays. Do you think we are that great, Madeline?

[Brody Henderson]

I think you are. How's that.

[Randall Williams]

It's great.

[Brody Henderson]

Okay.

[Phil Taylor]

The next morning, before dawn, Santiago went far out to sea. Alone.

[Randall Williams]

I'm not religious, but I will say 10 our fathers and 10 Hail Marys if I can catch a fish. I promise.

[Phil Taylor]

He feels a pull on the line.

[Randall Williams]

There something? Not yet. Wait, wait.

[Phil Taylor]

Suddenly the line jerks.

[Randall Williams]

Ah, a big one.

[Phil Taylor]

Santiago struggles with the line, trying to pull in his catch.

[Randall Williams]

He will not come up. Too heavy. Too strong. Come up, fish. Please come up.

I will not yield Cuban cuss.

Then I will stay with you, brother, however long it takes.

You are tied to me, old man, as I am tied to you. I pull you north and west, away from your home. Confound you from for hooking me.

Pull me wherever you wish. I will not let go.

You stubborn son of a gun. You should just cut the line. I am stronger than you. Your hands bleed, old man. You cannot rest. Why in tarnation do you not cut this line?

Because you are my brother. Because you are the greatest thing I have ever seen.

[Phil Taylor]

The fish pulled the boat and northwest. For two days and two nights, Santiago held the line until his hands bled. He could not eat. He could not sleep. But he would not let go.

[Randall Williams]

You suffer, old man. I feel a line cutting into me. And I know you feel it cutting into you. We are both in pain. We are both in pain. Get zooks.

[Phil Taylor]

Yes.

[Brody Henderson]

But I was born for this.

[Randall Williams]

And you were born for this.

Born for this. Dagnabbit. Why must you kill me? I have done nothing to you.

You are killing me, fish. But you have the right to. Never have I seen anything greater or more beautiful or more calm than you, brother. I do not know if I am worthy to kill such a fish. But I will try. I will show you what a man can do and what. What a man endures.

And show me, old man. Show me. Gosh darn it, I will not. I will show you what a fish can do.

Come up. I am an old man, but I am not defeated. Come up.

H e double hockey sticks. I have pulled you far from land. I have fought well.

You have fought better than any fish I have known.

And you, old man, have fought better than any man I have ever known. Very well. I am coming up. G willikers. You have heard this.

[Phil Taylor]

With one last pull, Santiago brings his catch to the surface.

[Randall Williams]

18Ft, maybe more. £1,000 at least. There. It is done.

It is done. We fought. Yell well, you and I. Ye gads.

We fought very well, brother.

Now. Now I am tied to your damned boat. You are taking me home.

[Zach Lynch]

Yes.

[Randall Williams]

The Boy will see you. Everyone will see you. They will know what we did together.

I hope they will, old man. I hope.

[Phil Taylor]

Santiago had killed the fish, but it was too big to bring into the boat. He lashed it to the side and began the long journey home. But the sharks smelled the blood.

[Randall Williams]

No. No. Mako sharks.

They come for me, old man. They will destroy what we have done. Galdanged sharks.

No. I will fight them.

[Phil Taylor]

Santiago stood strikes at the sharks with his oar.

[Randall Williams]

Take that. And that.

[Zach Lynch]

More are coming.

[Randall Williams]

Barnacles. You cannot stop them all.

I will try, brother. I will try.

[Phil Taylor]

More sharks came. Hope that's the wrong camera. More sharks came. Santiago fought them all. With harpoon, with knife, with club, with the tiller. But there were too many.

[Randall Williams]

Eat, you scavengers. I. I went out too far. I have ruined us both, fish.

[Zach Lynch]

You did not ruin us, cuss. These sharks.

[Randall Williams]

We did what we were meant to do. You fought, I fought. That is enough.

Is it enough?

It is enough.

[Phil Taylor]

By the time Santiago reached the harbor in the dark, the sharks had eaten everything. Only the skeleton remained. 18ft of bones bound to the boat. But the fish's voice had gone silent.

[Brody Henderson]

Santiago.

[Randall Williams]

Ah, Manolin, you are here.

[Brody Henderson]

I saw the fish. The skeleton.

[Phil Taylor]

How much did it weigh?

[Randall Williams]

I do not know. The sharks ate it. All of it.

[Brody Henderson]

But everyone has seen it. 15ft from nose to tail.

[Phil Taylor]

Some say 18.

[Brody Henderson]

It is the greatest fish anyone has ever seen.

[Randall Williams]

But they ate it.

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You beat the fish.

[Brody Henderson]

That is what matters. Tomorrow I will fish with you again. My father can say what he wants. I will fish with you.

[Randall Williams]

You think so?

[Brody Henderson]

I know so.

[Randall Williams]

Now rest.

[Brody Henderson]

I will bring you food.

[Randall Williams]

Mandolin?

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

I had a dream. I was dreaming about the lions.

[Brody Henderson]

The lions on the beach in Africa?

[Randall Williams]

Yes. When I was your age, I saw them playing on the shore like cats. I dream about them still.

[Phil Taylor]

The old man fell asleep and he dreamed of lions on the white beaches of his youth. When the world was new and all things were possible.

[Randall Williams]

The end. Audience goes nuts.

[Brody Henderson]

Fade to black.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, man, I was so excited for that. I'd forgotten. We're still in this hazy twilight of the studio. I'd forgotten that I made Brody. I made Brody a fish mask and I didn't give it to him. But it's probably for the best because I don't think you could have read your script.

Because this doesn't look like a marlin.

I just googled fish mask and printed the first thing I found. Well, that was a fun new segment called Meat Eater Fake Out Slash Meet Theater. I had a great Time with it. I hope the audience enjoyed it as well. Brody.

[Phil Taylor]

I'd. Round of applause for Brody Henderson.

[Randall Williams]

You're gonna walk into studio and have a. Have the. The whole thing flipped on you and have to perform a play live on the screen.

That was more fun.

I think it was a lot of fun.

[Brody Henderson]

I can't wait to see your revenge.

[Randall Williams]

Phil, what's the chat saying about our little.

[Phil Taylor]

I haven't been able to look because I. It's mostly vasectomy talk. A lot of vasectomy talk. Seems like people are more interested in vasectomies than our meat theater segment. Let's see. This is a masterpiece.

[Randall Williams]

I. I wish that we had given Corey a dry run because I feel in the second, the third act, his voice was dialed straight dial.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, practice makes.

[Randall Williams]

Started off a little choppy, but by the end it was very convincing.

[Brody Henderson]

Thank you.

[Phil Taylor]

What did I just tune into?

[Brody Henderson]

I was going for a Tommy Pickles crap.

[Phil Taylor]

I zoned out. What the heck's going on? These are most of the comments. Thanks guys for staying on the line. You know, our viewer count is higher now than it was before we started the segment.

[Brody Henderson]

Oh, man, let's hope this show never dies.

[Phil Taylor]

Someone call. Someone call the suits upstairs.

[Randall Williams]

That's good. That's good stuff.

[Phil Taylor]

Okay, we got some questions here. Do any of you guys keep bees? That's from Sean.

[Brody Henderson]

Keep bees?

[Randall Williams]

No, I hate bees. I'll be honest. I react really poorly to bee stings. A friend of mine keeps bees. It seems like an incredibly time intensive hobby. Or at least he talks about bees more than I'd like him to. But I do enjoy the honey. The honey is very good. And honey is expensive.

[Phil Taylor]

It is.

[Randall Williams]

We're actually my youngest kid and I are seriously considering getting a hive this summer. Cool, because you can do like mail order stuff for that you just ordered, it shows up at your door. Bingo bango. Steve has a buddy up in Alaska. I didn't even know this was a thing. They just do a hive every summer and that's it. Then they do a new hive. Because, like, I always thought you had to like, deal with them over the winter. Maybe send them somewhere warmer, whatever. But yeah, I want to give it a try.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, it's not really what you know, but who you know. My wife and I get a giant bucket of honey every year from some farmers friends of ours.

[Randall Williams]

Now that I think about it. At one point I was asked by a coworker I had to drive from Spokane to Helena, and I was asked to bring bees from one place to the other. And so a guy showed up and put a bunch of bees in my car with me. I had a Honda Pilot at the time. Nice. And I drove. I drove whatever, four and a half, five hours just gripping the steering wheel.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, that'd be unsettling.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah, it was very unsettling. It seemed like a bad movie.

But I will say this. The whole, like, bear and honey thing is real. Back when Giannis I were guiding fly fishing in Colorado, we had a private ranch that we would take out at now, now and then. And that rancher had bees, and he had to run electric fence around the hives to keep the bears out, because they would just go in there and tear it up.

You know, I was hunting.

So if you live in an area like that, consider that I was hunting.

Bears one spring outside of Missoula. And it was private down in the bottom on this forest service road that you drive past, and they had a bunch of. A bunch of beehives. And we drove past one time, and there were, like, six skunks in, like, walking across the field towards the hives. Like, walking in between the hives. I'd never seen anything like it.

Yeah.

But it was just six skunks all out in the middle of the daylight. Just dialed in on those. On those beehives.

[Brody Henderson]

Good point.

[Phil Taylor]

This is from car Sarah Carland. I would guess currently listening to you guys while pike fishing in the dark on the Shannon river in Ireland. Thanks for keeping me company. Any pike fishing tips for me?

[Randall Williams]

That's amazing. Oh, that's amazing.

I don't know, like, pike fishing tips. You got any, like, live suckers? They really like those.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Be careful when you land one. Don't get slime all over your boat or your clothes. And keep your fingers away from the teeth and gills.

What is strange to me is, like, at least in my experience here in the US of A, like, night fishing for pike is, like, not a thing. Like. Like, they're just not known to, like, feed well at night.

Yeah.

I mean, maybe we've got it all.

I always think of them as a very, like, visually oriented fish.

Yeah.

[Brody Henderson]

But they're always hunting.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. That's super cool, though.

[Brody Henderson]

Sorry, no great tips for you.

[Phil Taylor]

Where are we at with the venison hot dog recipe? It's from 2Fs.

[Randall Williams]

We have. We have plans. Ongoing. Very promising lead. We're just hoping to get the participation of a man who we believe to be the expert in this. So stay tuned. It's definitely happening. It's just a question of Stephen Rinella's.

Schedule is the challenge there. Like learning how to like emulsify that stuff.

That's that. I mean, that's the key step. But the object is to make a hot dog that is. Tastes the same, has the same crunch, you know, the same. The same snappiness.

Are we talking like, Frank, like.

[Brody Henderson]

So.

[Randall Williams]

Not like an Oscar Mayer wiener where there's just like no skin on it. It's gonna have. Is it gonna have like a. Yeah, it'll have.

It'll have a skin on it. It'll have a case. But. But like, you know, it's all about that. Hot dog enthusiasts call it a snap when you break that case. And so. And then again the emulsification. Like, there's a lot of people that say they make venison hot dogs and then you get it and it's like a brat. A brat with a different spice mix. So we're working towards creating actual like gas station roller dogs out of venison. But yeah, it's exciting. Stay tuned.

[Phil Taylor]

Matt asks, did I miss the punt gun content or has it not been made yet? We want the punt gun. I don't want to speak for the video team, but look for punt gun stuff in a few months.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, stay tuned.

[Randall Williams]

Forthcoming.

[Brody Henderson]

It'll be.

[Phil Taylor]

It is happening.

[Brody Henderson]

A big release and you won't want to miss it.

[Phil Taylor]

Someone's asking for quail recipes or hunting tips. Scrub Life. Danny got invited to hunt quail for the first time next Monday.

[Brody Henderson]

Scrub Life.

[Randall Williams]

Tips. Like, I mean, it's such such a general question. I mean, I don't know if these guys are hunting with dogs or. Yeah, go hunt where there's some quail. Would be my tip and grill.

I mean, I always think about little birds like that.

Grilling them whole, keep the skin on, take the time to pluck them if they're not shot up. I would say, like, if you got a group of people, you're gonna need two per. For wild quail, you're gonna need at least two per person.

Yep. Good luck.

[Brody Henderson]

Keep us posted.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, let's do one more here. This is from Chris Lock. He says he's elk hunting late season. He hears 200 to 300 elk bulls are fighting and bugling. Will calling do anything or is all about spot and stock intercept. He's hoping hunting in open country with a muzzle loader here of 200. Yeah, I was kind of confused by that Corey.

[Randall Williams]

That late season bugling. That ain't. That's just them talking to each other when they're in those giant Herds like you're not going to lure a bull in by calling.

I mean.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah, they're always fighting, they're always bugling. It's not just a rut thing. Colin might do you something though. I mean, squeak on a little lost calf call and see if a cow will come in. I don't know if you're hunting. Yeah, either sex. If you got to get close.

[Randall Williams]

Open country with a muzzy.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

A lot of belly crawling, I'd imagine.

Yeah.

[Brody Henderson]

Your best bet. Spot in stock though.

[Randall Williams]

Phil's. That it?

[Zach Lynch]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Are you sure?

[Phil Taylor]

I'm. Unless you want to keep going.

[Randall Williams]

I mean we're, we're.

[Phil Taylor]

We're at time. I think. I think we've. We've given them a pretty good.

[Randall Williams]

We didn't get any react on our Academy Award winning efforts.

[Phil Taylor]

Phil Brody, I mean, you got called out specifically. People were not. I can find some for you. People were saying. I didn't know Brody had that heat in him. Bravo. Not expecting that from Brody.

[Randall Williams]

Biz, we call that chops.

[Phil Taylor]

John says bravo. I'm weeping. Brody really showed up. Yeah, Brody was a good sport. I told Randall before this for the D and D game.

[Zach Lynch]

You.

[Phil Taylor]

You brought. Brought it then too. And I was not expecting that.

[Randall Williams]

I'm game, Phil.

[Phil Taylor]

I love it.

[Randall Williams]

Game for whatever. Plus, I just like felt for that fish man because he really got boned, you know?

Yeah. I tried to do the most dangerous game. You remember that short story?

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Oh, that's a good one.

But then I forgot that the guy. You know, there's the guy that hunts the people and then there's the guy that's going to be hunted. And then there's a third guy and he's only described as like a big, imposing mute character.

And so is he like an enforcer or something?

I didn't think it would be fair. He's like. He makes some. The guy. One guy makes some comments like he has his own methods.

[Brody Henderson]

Right.

[Randall Williams]

But he's silent the whole time. So it just didn't turn out well. So I thought just adding the fish to this would work out the best.

[Phil Taylor]

I think that was a great idea.

[Brody Henderson]

Yeah.

[Randall Williams]

Yeah. We'll get away. We'll get away from Hemingway at some point, but he's really got a rich library, so. As always, we appreciate you. We love you. Thanks for tuning in, Corey. Brody. Appreciate you guys. Phil, you killed it again today. As always, we'll see you here next Thursday. Meat Eater Radio live signing off. Good night.

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