Ep. 862: Moose Hunting in North Dakota, Catfish Regs, and A Bigfoot Family

Summary

The MeatEater Podcast – Ep. 862: Moose Hunting in North Dakota, Catfish Regs, and A Bigfoot Family

Date: April 14, 2026
Host: Steve Rinella & MeatEater Crew

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the MeatEater team delivers their signature blend of outdoor news, lively banter, and quirky stories, centered on hunting, fishing, conservation, and the unexpected—like Bigfoot! Main topics include a deep-dive into the Big Buck Hunter national championship, updates on conservation initiatives, regulatory changes for catfish in Pennsylvania, surprising moose numbers in North Dakota, and a string of fresh Bigfoot sightings in Ohio. The team’s humor and irreverence mix with genuine information, making for an engaging, educational listen.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Big Buck Hunter National Championship (Buckfest)

[01:14–08:40]

• Randall and Phil Taylor recap their pilgrimage to Nashville for the Big Buck Hunter national championship—an iconic arcade competition with $125,000 in prize money.
• Profile of participants: a blend of “bar people,” arcade enthusiasts, and a surprising number of non-hunters from all across North America (03:13).
• Discussion about the ethics and oddities of simulated hunting:
  • “I wanted to be a talking head in that video, talk about all the wildlife violations.” – Randall [04:50]
• Interviews with the inventor of Big Buck Hunter (who also created the original Terminator arcade game).
• Hilarity around the spectacle: “People look dumb playing that game.” – Randall [05:57]
• Noted difference between “arcade gamers” and “home gamers”—“Different breed.” – Mark Kenyon [08:21]
• The event’s scheduling conflicts with real hunting season, limiting participation from serious outdoorspeople.

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2. MeatEater’s 2026 Land Access Initiative

[09:51–13:39]

• Mark Kenyon unveils a major public lands effort: a partnership with OnX and Three Rivers Land Trust to save ~4,000 acres (Tucker Town Reservoir, NC) threatened by private sale.
• MeatEater and OnX offering up to $200,000 in matching donations—that triples listener contributions.
• “Here’s an opportunity to do something real that can make a real on-the-ground impact... We can just put our money where our mouth is.” – Mark Kenyon [11:25]
• Details on how to donate at trlt.org/tuckertown.

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3. Auction House of Oddities & Call for Lake Champlain Ice Fisher-Folk

[13:39–15:24]

• Randall mentions new and odd items for the next "Auction House of Oddities"—from outboard motors to a found kayak.
• Randall requests help: looking for veteran ice anglers on Lake Champlain for future writing/potential cryptid story: “Is the bite hot? I need to go out there and look around…and I’ll tell them a story that’ll curl their hair about why I’m there.” [15:11]

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4. Corrections Segment: Fish Proteins, Moose Misconceptions, and Wild Turkey Genes

[16:17–32:50]

• Fish cookery correction: The “white gooey stuff” on cooked fish is not fat, but albumin (a protein). However, the listener conflates lean (cod) and fatty (salmon) fish: “Salmon is fatty. Cod’s lean. Saying ‘lean fish like salmon or cod’ is like the fattiest damn fish.” – Corinne [19:29]
• Moose in North Dakota: Surprising stats—North Dakota issued 292 moose tags in 2025, and 245 animals harvested, including 98 cows! “They got so many moose, they’re killing 100 cows.” – Randall [30:39]
• Wild turkey color phases: Listener correction—“Smoke phase” turkeys can be 100% wild, not necessarily the result of domestic introgression.
• Segment wrapped up with the winner receiving a trail camera for the best correction.

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5. Turkey Hunting Etiquette

[33:01–36:19]

• Listener asks if it was wrong to let his girlfriend shoot a white jake turkey against a family “no-jake” hunting policy.
• Panel unanimously supports the decision: “If it’s legal, if your state game agency allows it, shoot a jake! Especially if it’s your brand new damn girlfriend and a white one walks by.” – Randall [35:30]
• Suggestion to DNA test the turkey for wild/domestic roots.

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6. Conservation Funding via State Sales Tax

[36:19–39:28]

• Minnesota’s Clean Water, Land & Legacy Amendment (3/8 of 1% sales tax) has raised $2 billion since 2008 for conservation; over 300,000 acres purchased.
• Discussion of challenges and successes in state-level conservation funding, referencing Wisconsin for contrast.

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7. Etsy Bans Sale of All Animal Fur

[39:28–41:38]

• Announcement that Etsy will soon ban all fur sales, even vintage pieces, under biodiversity efforts.
• Panel’s reaction: Exasperation and tongue-in-cheek business suggestions for a “fur Etsy.”

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8. Pennsylvania Catfish Regulation Overhaul

[41:38–46:11]

• Proposal: shift from “catfish = panfish, 50 per day, any size” to strict rules:
  • Ohio River basin: Blue catfish to catch & release only; flatheads limited (4/day, 1 over 35”).
• Corinne: “On one side of the state, they’re trying to bring them back…on the other, they’re invasive and they want them gone. It’s kind of crazy.” [44:44]
• Discussion of native versus invasive status in different drainages.

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9. Birding May Improve Brain Health

[47:38–51:02]

• New neuroscience research: Expert birders have denser regions in parts of their brains responsible for attention and perception.
• Steve: “If you’re dumb, try birdin’.” [49:32]
• Discussion of the instinctive, evolutionary component and elevated mindfulness found in outdoors observation.

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10. South Dakota Deregulates Suppressors

[51:18–55:01]

• South Dakota is first to remove suppressors from ‘controlled weapons’
• Randall discusses the public health case for easier suppressor access: “There will be a class action lawsuit…people with hearing damage…sue the government for making it so hard to make your guns safe level.” [52:40]

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11. Ohio Bigfoot Family: Seven Recent Sightings

[55:03–70:38]

• Spencer’s report: March 2026, Portage County, Ohio – Seven Bigfoot sightings in five days, four on one day.
• Details of eyewitness accounts include:
  • Mother and daughter driving within three feet of a “lean, brown, stilt-like” Bigfoot at night [58:54]
  • Jacob Taylor and a friend seeing a massive, musky-smelling Bigfoot whose steps “literally shook the ground” [61:21, 61:56]
  • Homeowner and German shepherd encounter an “8-10 foot” Bigfoot—dog traumatized, “Bigfoot non-stealthy” [63:22]
• Bigfoot Society’s take: Sightings are down because fewer people go outdoors, not because Sasquatch is disappearing. Spike in 2020 during COVID.
  • “Bigfoot is not going to show up in your Instagram DMs. You’ll only see him while out exploring state or national forests.” – Jeremiah Byron [66:07]
• Panel debates reliability, possibility of a “Bigfoot rut,” and philosophical implications.
• Spencer owns a cast of the legendary Patterson-Gimlin Bigfoot footprint.

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12. Episode Wrap & Announcements

[70:38–71:35]

• Quick plug for new MeatEater Time Machine hoodies—historical conservation themes, starting with the Pittman-Robertson Act of 1937.
• Reminder to subscribe on YouTube and wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Big Buck Hunter:

• “People look dumb playing that game.” – Randall [05:57]
• “If you really don’t like MeatEater’s serious hunting videos, this might be the one for you.” – Phil Taylor [05:44]

On Conservation Efforts:

• “We can just put our money where our mouth is…and try to keep this land public.” – Mark Kenyon [11:25]

On Moose in North Dakota:

• “They got so many moose, they’re killing 100 cows.” – Randall [30:39]

On Pennsylvania Catfish:

• “On one side of the state, they’re trying to bring them back…on the other, they’re invasive and they want them gone. It’s kind of crazy.” – Corinne [44:44]

On Bigfoot:

• “Bigfoot is not going to show up in your Instagram DMs. You’ll only see him while out exploring state or national forests.” – Jeremiah Byron [66:07, via Spencer]
• “If you’re dumb, try birdin’.” – Steve [49:32]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Big Buck Hunter Recap: [01:14–08:40]
• Land Access Initiative: [09:51–13:39]
• Corrections: Fish Albumin: [17:33–19:36]
• Moose in North Dakota: [29:01–32:50]
• Catfish Regs: [41:38–46:11]
• Bigfoot Sightings: [55:03–70:38]

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TL;DR

This episode delivers humor, insight, and surprise—from competitive arcade hunting to Real-World moose stats, conservation wins, a Bigfoot “family” rampage, and the never-ending debate over wildlife policies. The cast’s chemistry and expertise shine throughout, offering something for both diehards and the newly curious listener.

Transcript

[Steve]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Randall]

Guaranteed Human.

[Clay Newcomb]

Hey, it's Clay Newcomb here from Bear Grease, and I want to tell you about my new 12 and 26 film. Presented by Moultrie and ONX. These are 12 of Meat Eater's biggest and baddest hunts from the last year that are going to be released through 2026. These are long form episodes, or what I call films, so you're going to get more of what you love. My film will take us into the deep and cold, rugged country of southwest Utah on a lion hunt with hounds, where we traveled over 80 miles in five days on mules. But the best part, I'm hunting with the legendary lion hunting family, the Mechams, but also one of the country's top mulemen, Ty Evans. This is about mules and lions. This is the kind of place where winter hangs on tight and every track in the snow tells a story. If you've ever wondered what it's like to pursue a mountain lion in big country on mule back then, this is the episode for you. Check it out now on the Meat Eater YouTube channel and be on the lookout for more 12 and 26 in the coming months.

[Randall]

Welcome to the news show. On today's show, we're covering the ins and outs of Buckfest, which is the national Big Buck Hunter championship. We're going to talk about how South Dakota is is going all in on suppressors. Etsy, like the place where you buy stuff is the devil incarnate. Pennsylvania tweaks their catfish regulations in an interesting way. Spencer Newharth reports on Bigfoots, as though there's anything to say other than that's dumb. But first and more. But first, Randall on Buckfest.

[Phil Taylor]

Well, yeah, last fall, as Radio Live listeners might know, Phil and I went to Nashville, Tennessee to the national championship of Big Buck Hunter, which is the arcade game that everyone knows and loves, where you have a little pump action gun and shoot the bucks and bulls and rams as they run across the screen. And so Phil and I went down there and Phil has produced, I think, an award winning or at least award worthy, I should say award worthy.

[Randall]

Like maybe it'll get nominated. Yeah, yeah, a nomination worthy.

[Phil Taylor]

Phil produced a film of our exploits down there and it's a pretty crazy event. They have over 100 contestants from around the world. There's $125,000 in prize money, and so you have to qualify for the main competition. But they also have an amateur open and the folks there were kind enough to slot me into the amateur open. So I Tried my hand at this, and you'll be able to see how that goes.

[Randall]

We got your ass kicked.

[Phil Taylor]

I don't want to spoil video.

[Corinne]

Did you get a feel for the percentage of actual hunters in that competition pool?

[Mark Kenyon]

Yeah, that's also covered.

[Phil Taylor]

That's covered. That's covered in the video. I mean, it is. It is funny because there's, like, people wearing T shirts, like, matching T shirts from their hometown bar in Saskatchewan, like, camo T shirts. And on the image in the back, there's a deer with a crosshair on its head. And you're like, these. These people are hunting. You know, I mean, there's people from all over. There's people from, like, New York City, live in Brooklyn and play at their little bar. But there's a lot of people that, you know, are, like, hardcore Wisconsin, Minnesota types.

[Randall]

Yeah, but is it mostly, like, drinkers? Are they drinkers?

[Phil Taylor]

There's a lot of drinking involved.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Like, it's.

[Randall]

Because there is a lot of bar people.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, it's bar people. It's bar people. And we get into that. We talked to the owner or.

[Randall]

Sorry.

[Phil Taylor]

We talked to the founder, the inventor of Big Buck Hunter.

[Randall]

And is he loaded? He makes a lot of money off. I can't.

[Phil Taylor]

I wasn't pocket watching the whole time, but I think he's doing well. He also invented the original Terminator arcade game. Have you ever seen, like, the little Uzis and the little pintle mounts and they shoot them at the screen? So this guy's invented probably a lot of the arcade games that you've seen in your life.

[Randall]

And you were hanging out with him.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, we got. We got a little time with him before. I think before the final championship, which was tremendously exciting.

[Randall]

Phil, when I was watching the video, you playing the video game, I saw a lot of things that would be illegal.

[Phil Taylor]

Yes.

[Randall]

Like, you guys are shooting at salmon and stuff.

[Phil Taylor]

It's what I represented.

[Corinne]

I was going to ask if you expressed Steve's grave ethical concerns around surrounding this game.

[Spencer]

That's the whole video, actually.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Randall]

No, I wanted to be a talking head in that video. Talk about all the wildlife violations.

[Phil Taylor]

I saw the one. The one question I did ask him, I don't know if this made it into the final cut, is I had wondered whether Animal Rights act activists had protested.

[Mark Kenyon]

That is in the final cut. Yes.

[Phil Taylor]

Because.

[Randall]

Do they protest it?

[Phil Taylor]

He said they don't.

[Randall]

I protest it. Listen, my buddy Jimmy Dorn, when he used to have his pizza joint.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Randall]

I'd take my kids down there, and I Would forbid my kids from playing Big Buck Hunter. And just to screw with me, he'd give them a roll of quarters and then they'd play it and he would do it just to make me mad.

[Mark Kenyon]

Well, check out the video.

[Phil Taylor]

I like Jimmy's style.

[Randall]

No, I can't support it, man. Shooting fish and all that.

[Mark Kenyon]

You're also shooting zombies at some point.

[Randall]

Shooting way too much of everything.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Steve]

Basketballs you guys will ever see.

[Randall]

You're taking shots it shouldn't be taken.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah. If you're someone out there that's like, I. I really don't like meat eaters. Serious hunting and fishing videos. This might be the one for you.

[Randall]

You know, another thing I. Another problem I have with the video.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Randall]

People look dumb playing that game.

[Phil Taylor]

Come on.

[Randall]

With that little toy gone and they're

[Phil Taylor]

like, these are my people.

[Randall]

It's not like a lot of noises. It just doesn't look like. It's just not a great look.

[Steve]

Okay. In the second iteration of this video, you know, in a month or so, we'll have Steve screen and screen. Com commentary.

[Corinne]

They are like using it is like a sawed off pump action.

[Randall]

It's like a pump that never runs out. Yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

I think the most telling thing that it's not for hunters is that they hold this, what, in like late October, Right?

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, that's. That's the tough. That is a tough thing.

[Spencer]

You wouldn't attract a lot of.

[Phil Taylor]

The next one is in Milwaukee.

[Randall]

Oh, really? You gonna go? Are you done?

[Phil Taylor]

It's. It's just that it lines up real unfortunately with the Montana general season.

[Randall]

Got it. But you got your ass kicked. Or you can't say yet. What happened?

[Phil Taylor]

I think you did you.

[Randall]

If you won all the prize money, I would have heard about it.

[Phil Taylor]

If you won all the prize money, I wouldn't be sitting in this chair.

[Spencer]

Here's why I think you should go watch it. I believe this is probably the first Phil Taylor joint.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, yeah, Phil Taylor shot it, edited it.

[Spencer]

I am just special.

[Phil Taylor]

I am an empty vessel for Phil to pour his creative talents into. No, that's.

[Mark Kenyon]

That's not so good, everybody. The powers that be were kind enough to let Randall and I get on a plane and go to Nashville. When we. I. We had no plan. We were just like, let's just shoot stuff and we'll put it together later. And I think what we. What we made is pretty fun.

[Phil Taylor]

And I will say the big Buck Hunter. We should point this out. The big Buck Hunter people invited us out there. They put us up they treated us like royalty. George, Dave, Snipes, they really took care of us, and we had a blast. So, I mean, if you're in the Milwaukee area and you have the slightest interest in, I don't know, drinking Big Buck Hunter, just, like, seeing people having a really good time. You should check this out. In October.

[Mark Kenyon]

Yeah.

[Randall]

I thought you said. I thought you said Minneapolis. You said Milwaukee. Milwaukee.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Randall]

You could go to the meat eater

[Phil Taylor]

store and then go to Big Buck Fest.

[Corinne]

Phil, did you find some camaraderie with, like, fellow gamers, or are they not in your circle of.

[Phil Taylor]

I mean, there, there is kind of.

[Mark Kenyon]

There's a kind of. There's kind of a wall that separates arcade gamers with, with home. With home gamers. It's not really the same kind of, like, light gun stuff, joystick stuff. It's a little bit different.

[Randall]

Like, totally different kinds of dorks.

[Mark Kenyon]

That. That's right. Different breed.

[Phil Taylor]

But I, I, I wasn't sure.

[Randall]

It's, like, not all dorks get long. Right.

[Phil Taylor]

I wanted to make sure that Phil enjoyed his time in Nashville. So we did go to the same tiki bar two nights in a row.

[Mark Kenyon]

That's right.

[Phil Taylor]

So, yeah.

[Spencer]

What a win.

[Mark Kenyon]

I got my.

[Phil Taylor]

That didn't.

[Corinne]

That's a good company. Sources there.

[Randall]

April 19th. I'm gonna have to review these spent expense reports. It's like, yeah, why around midnight? Or is this like a. A flurry of $21 purchases at a tiki bar?

[Mark Kenyon]

What the hell's a scorpion bowling? Why did you order eight of them?

[Phil Taylor]

Scorpions Wildlife Navy Grogs.

[Randall]

All right, Blood Trail Season 2 is out.

[Steve]

Yep, it's about to be out on Thursday. April 16th is when the first episode drops. Hosted by our friend and colleague Jordan Sillers, it's our network's outdoor true crime show. This first episode, without saying too much, is actually pretty gruesome and happened outside of Helena, Montana, where a hunter disappeared back in 2011, and his remains were later found in two separate sites. So that's the first of a number of episodes that'll be dropping. And please follow blood trails wherever you listen to your podcast, and you can watch the video episodes on The Mediator Podcast YouTube channel. So please subscribe to that.

[Randall]

Okay, we got an update from Mark Kenyon on the launch of our brand new 2026 land access initiative, which we're going to hear about right now. This is a real good one. Take it away, Mark.

[Mark Kenyon]

All right, Mark Kenyon here with an Update on MetEaters 2026 Land Access Initiative project. We Are kicking this latest round off here on April 14th on a really cool deal that we're doing with Onyx. So, so here's what's going to happen. There is a big chunk of land out in central North Carolina surrounding something called the Tucker Town reservoir. This is about 4,000 acres that have been privately owned but historically open to public access. This has been great deer hunting ground. People been waterfowl hunting, turkey hunting, you know, getting access to the reservoir and fishing. Unfortunately, the landowner of this 4,000 or so acres of land has put this ground up for sale to the highest bidder. Alcoa owns this. They are now going to be taking bids, taking offers on this land. That would mean 4000 ish acres of land no longer publicly accessible, no longer open to hunting or fishing. So there's this organization there in the state called the Three Rivers Land Trust. The, that has now started a campaign to try to raise funds, buy some of these lands and transfer that ownership to the state of North Carolina so that it can become officially public land and be accessible for public hunting and fishing forever. That is a pretty awesome idea. That's something that I'm really excited about. That's something that meat eater is excited about, that onyx is excited about. And so we've been brainstorming about, you know, how can we help, how can we make this possible? And here's what we've landed on. We have landed on helping out with a 30 day fundraising campaign for this project in which we, each meat eater and Onyx are going to provide up to $100,000 in matching funds. So what that means is that for every dollar that a participant donates, we will be able to donate a match dollar to that up to $200,000. So we could, if you think about this, if you donate a dollar, Meat eater donates a dollar and Onyx donates a dollar. You're tripling your impact. If you want to participate and help keep the Tucker Town game lands public and accessible, it's, it's super exciting. It's, it's a great opportunity, I think, to make this idea of keeping public lands public tangible. Right. So many of these public land issues seem like they're happening far away from or outside of our control. Well, here is an opportunity to do something real that can make a real on the ground impact. And we don't need to wait for the government, we don't need to wait for a law, we don't need to lobby against a bad bill. We can just put our money where our mouth is. And try to keep this land public. So that's what we're going to do at meteater. That's what Onyx is going to do. And that's what we're hoping that everybody listening can do as well. We're going to be running this campaign from April 14th through May 14th. And you can learn more about it or actually donate and be a part of this by going over to the Save Tuckertown campaign website. You can find that by going to trlt.org/tuckertown or just Google it or go to the Mediator website. You'll see all the details there. But we are thrilled about this. We're excited. It's 30 days. We're matching up to $200,000. That's meteor and Onyx. Plus. All of you guys listening, we can do this together. We can help get some of these parcels made public again. Keep hunting, angling out there on the landscape and keep it public.

[Randall]

All right, man. Great news from Mark. We're excited about this one. It's a great fundraising campaign again, partnering with On X and Three Rivers Land Trust. Remember, April 14th through May 14th, we're going to match up to 200,000 bucks. So let's make as much of an impact as we possibly can. And also, I've been bugging Mark Kenyon, who's not like, responding to my prods of getting the auction house oddities fired back up because we're like, way overloaded with auction house of oddities items like a brand spanking new, virtually brand spanking new Honda 150 horsepower outboard.

[Corinne]

I wish my boat would hold that thing. I'd take it.

[Randall]

A bunch of barn board outboards. Barn boards?

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Randall]

We got all kinds of other junk. I was looking at something, my garage the other day. I'm selling the auction house guns.

[Spencer]

Corey was talking about cleaning out the storage unit and he found a canoe or a kayak in there.

[Randall]

A kayak gonna be in there, dude. Oh, we're gonna have so much stuff in that auction house. I just thought of something really good the other day. Well, I could put some of my own guns.

[Corinne]

I might retire from ice fishing and do all my ice fishing stuff, sell

[Randall]

to someone more north.

[Corinne]

Yes.

[Randall]

Yeah, we're not. Who'd have thought we could live this close to the Canadian border and not be north enough for ice fishing anymore? Oh, speaking of ice fishing, I got a favorite ask because of a writing project I'm working on. I need to know from people out there who fish Lake Champlain. Like, is the bite hot? I'M talking hard water, preferably. Is the bite hot? I need to go out there and look around at some things. And when I'm out there, I want to hit the. Hit the hard water. Bite what?

[Spencer]

What do you think you're going to catch?

[Randall]

Perch? I don't know.

[Corinne]

You mean now or in the future?

[Randall]

In the future. Not now. It's melted off now. No, next winter.

[Corinne]

Okay.

[Randall]

I'm looking for a guy. I'm looking for a guy gal, whoever who likes to hit the hard water, who wants to take me out and show me the best of Champlain. And while we're there, I'm going to tell them a story that'll curl their hair about why I'm there.

[Steve]

So right in, folks.

[Spencer]

Looking for champy, Right.

[Randall]

What's that mean? It's Cryptid.

[Spencer]

Nothing.

[Phil Taylor]

That's.

[Spencer]

That's their version of Loch Ness.

[Randall]

No, that's not what I'm doing. Okay? No, it's way better than that. Even if that was real, this would still trump that. If I could go there and tell them two things, I could say, here's thing one. I found that thing is dead on the beach.

[Spencer]

There's a plesiosaur.

[Randall]

Yeah, it's dead on the beach. I can show you right now or I can tell you the story that I'm going to tell you. Okay. They would be better off taking my story.

[Spencer]

That's good.

[Randall]

Not my story, but you don't want

[Phil Taylor]

to alienate these folks. Maybe they're invested in regional lore.

[Randall]

I'll feel them out. Corrections, Corrections, Corrections. Okay, the winner of this week's correction of the week will get a Moultrie Edge 3 Pro trail camera plus a one year subscription. You know, I'm thinking. You know, I was just talking about auctioning guns off. I'm thinking about giving a gun. I'm like, give a gun out of my personal stash. One of these weeks, just out of the. Out of the blue, damn. I'm going to give a gun for my personal stash to the. To the corrections winner.

[Steve]

We're going to have a million.

[Randall]

And they got to make sure they don't have a restraining order because I'm going to send it through an ffl. I'm not mailing it to them.

[Spencer]

Yeah, maybe there's a correction of the year that's like, Steve's gone.

[Steve]

Thank you.

[Randall]

No, it's just gonna be a random.

[Corinne]

We'll have left handed. Correction. Week.

[Phil Taylor]

Week.

[Randall]

Yeah, man, a lot of corrections about our recent hot dog. Our hot dog. I was gonna call the expose it wasn't an Expose episode.

[Spencer]

It would have been better, though, if you marketed it that way.

[Randall]

Well, he didn't want to expose. Yeah. I kept being like, what's the nastiest thing you've ever seen him throw into a hot dog at a hot dog factory? He's like, it's all lies. Wow. And I prod him. I said, if it wasn't lies, could you tell me you worked that angle pretty? He says, I would tell you if it was a lie.

[Phil Taylor]

So we had. We had one correction from Cody Sanders in Alabama, and he's Colonel Sanders. Cody.

[Randall]

Oh, sorry.

[Phil Taylor]

He says John mentioned the white gooey stuff that comes out of fish when you cook or smoke. It is fat, but it is actually not. It is called albumin, which is a protein found in fish. Albumin is a water soluble protein naturally found in fish muscle. You'll usually see more of it when the fish is cooked too hot or too fast. Or with lean fish like salmon or cod. It can also happen if the fish wasn't brined or rested beforehand.

[Randall]

Did he just say lean?

[Corinne]

That's what I. I've got. I want to get to this after.

[Randall]

Oh, this guy needs a correction wipe right back in his face.

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Phil Taylor]

Best way I've found to deal with it.

[Randall]

Like, he's like, oh, he's like spiking a volleyball, but doesn't realize I'm spiking it back.

[Corinne]

Yeah, he's. He's messed up bad already.

[Randall]

Yeah, it's a volleyball trap.

[Steve]

But he's right about that.

[Randall]

Yeah, he's right about that. But lean fish like salmon or cod would be like me saying, trying to think, trying to give him.

[Spencer]

Give him time here.

[Randall]

Black things like the two colors on a panda.

[Corinne]

Black things like that mountain goat in that black bear.

[Spencer]

No.

[Steve]

Or what about like, lean meat, like fat or Venice, like pig or venison.

[Randall]

Brody's right. Things like mountain goats and black bears. That's the equivalent of what he's saying. Go on, Randall.

[Phil Taylor]

The best way I've found to deal with it is just smoking it low and slow. A Saltwater brine for 10 to 15 minutes helps in keeping temps around 160 to 180. Does, too. Even then, you might still see albumin. You can control it, not completely eliminate it, but it's safe to eat. Appreciate everything. Y' all do love the show.

[Randall]

Colonel Sanders. Thanks, buddy. That's a good one. I like it. He screwed up a little bit. That's cool.

[Corinne]

Are we gonna address his screw up?

[Spencer]

We just did.

[Randall]

We just did.

[Corinne]

I don't feel like we explained it.

[Randall]

Well, it's a good one, though.

[Corinne]

Salmon is fatty.

[Randall]

Cod's lean. Sam is fatty. So him saying lean fish like salmon or cod, it's like the fattiest damn fish.

[Corinne]

And I don't think you're gonna see a lot of albumin.

[Randall]

You know what it could be? He could be fishing. Spawned out chums. He's fishing spawned out chums. The kind that are going the wrong way down the river.

[Phil Taylor]

They wrap around your legs when you're waiting in.

[Randall]

Yeah, it's kind of like you're going the wrong way. Yeah, because he's all, like, half dead.

[Phil Taylor]

Okay.

[Randall]

Okay. Another one. This. We got to put TSS to. To the.

[Steve]

All right.

[Randall]

TSS to rest.

[Steve]

It'll be the last time. I am an attorney. This is a gentleman, Mike. I'm an attorney and not a particularly elite attorney. And failing to disclose material fact to a tribunal, a mission constitutes an act dishonesty and could subject an attorney to discipline by the state bar in the jurisdiction where the attorney practices and. Or subject the malfeasant to sanctions. Now, this is not Steve's fault because Korean is responsible for production content.

[Phil Taylor]

Boom.

[Randall]

I like that.

[Steve]

Smack in the face. After listening to the various podcasts recently about tss, I did my duty and ran to my local sports store to see what was in stock stock for TSS so I could buy up everything they had and hoard it as instructed, knowing I live in a state where I'm more likely to draw an elk tag than a turkey tag. It seems there might be some TSS on the shelf and maybe at a decent price. Imagine my surprise when not only did I find a bunch of shotgun shells labeled TSS, but the mug of this familiar fellow smiling at me.

[Randall]

See the picture below on a pack A third degree.

[Corinne]

This guy doesn't understand the.

[Phil Taylor]

The.

[Randall]

No.

[Steve]

So. So to the audience, what this gentleman has in hand are two boxes of federal third degree meat eater ammo at Steve's face.

[Corinne]

He's got some three and a half inches and some three inches and 12 gauge.

[Steve]

Okay, he says, I don't recall any discussion on the podcast about us mentioning TSS or that we sponsor TSS or federal. It seems like a material omission.

[Randall]

Yeah, sure, it's a good point. But this isn't made anymore. This is a long time ago and

[Corinne]

it's only got like a small dose of tss.

[Randall]

Got a small dose tss. I'm surprised you even found some because that was from a long time ago. I was Fired from the COVID It's got a logo.

[Spencer]

We retired that logo probably four years ago.

[Corinne]

It's good ammo though.

[Steve]

He can probably put it on ebay and get much more than it the it's being sold for, which is like 27.99.

[Randall]

Yeah, right. Federal letters say I want Steve back on that ammo.

[Corinne]

This guy offers, bring me some. Like I'll meet him at the exit on 990. He can give me some of this stuff.

[Randall]

So yes, we did not mention I and talking about tss. Like picture that I was trying to play a shrewd that would have been shrewd. Like let's say I had some kind of financial interest in selling tss. And I'm like, TSS alert. Hoard it now.

[Corinne]

Right.

[Randall]

Right. And then he. And then I'm like selling all this tss. But I have nothing to gain from that tss. I have nothing to gain from that tss. But still great. Correction.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Randall]

Boom.

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[Jordan Sillers]

On blood trails. The stories don't end when the hunt is over. They just get darker.

[Corinne]

I seen something in the road. I instantly thought it was a sleeping bag.

[Spencer]

And there was a pool of blood.

[Randall]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Taylor]

He doesn't have a head.

[Jordan Sillers]

Blood Trails is a true crime podcast born in the outdoors, where the terrain is unforgiving, the evidence is scarce, and the truth gets buried. Under brush and silence.

[Corinne]

Indications where he should be right there. And. But he wasn't.

[Jordan Sillers]

This season, we're going deeper. From Cold Case files to whispered suspicions, from remote mountains to frozen backwoods. Each story begins in the wilderness and ends in darkness. Because out here, there are no witnesses, no cameras, just fragments. And the people left behind trying to piece them back together.

[Steve]

He's not an honest person. He's incapable of being honest.

[Corinne]

Somebody, somewhere knows something.

[Jordan Sillers]

I'm Jordan Sillers. Season 2 of Blood Trails premieres April 16th. Follow now on Apple, iHeart, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Randall]

Another correction, number three. So this guy says, while listening to episode 857, I was especially intrigued when Steve discussed the map showing the locations of the oldest known cervid fossils. He mentioned that no moose fossils older than 15,000 years have been found south of the Alaska Yukon line, which immediately caught my attention. He thought it. He thought it sounded surprising. He did a little digging, pun intended. He says, in the course of my search, I came across a fascinating find from the 1970s. A stag moose specimen. Stag moose specimen discovered in a gravel pit near Jasper park in Polk County, Iowa. Approximately 30,000 years old. He's like, what do you make of that? Well, it's not a moose. Different critter. Different critter. So I don't know what to make of that. Different critter. But still, good point. Now I don't think it's gonna win. I think the winner is here. A lot of guys write it. We picked. We just picked. We randomly picked one. We're talking about smoke phase wild turkey. So when you see a light colored wild turkey. I was saying on the show, someone was showing some pictures. I don't know what we're talking about. And two of my friends unrelated have recently sent me pictures of smoke phase turkeys. I said, when I see a smoke phase turkey, I see domestic turkey. Genetic introgression. Meaning when someone sends me that picture, the first thing in my mind is there's some domestic turkeys around there and they've been getting it on, mixing it up, making love with wild turkeys, throwing these light colored offspring. Okay. Guy writes in and says, I recently heard on Lake Pickles podcast an interview with Dr. Mike Chamberlain. Okay. And he says, Dr. Chamberlain points out on the Backwoods University podcast, that's what Lake Pickle show is called on our network, that he himself used to have similar thoughts. The important word there being that the wild turkey doc, Dr. Chamberlain, says he used to have similar thoughts but has been shocked that turkeys can be 100% wild and have these odd color phases. He states that DNA testing confirms there are multiple paths to which a turkey can display the smoke phase in other unique color phases, including one that does not involve a domestic or heritage cross. Furthermore, Tom glines, a former NWTF regional director, said in 2011 that the partially white or smoke phase turkeys occur naturally. Other sources estimate that 1% of turkeys display or carry the recessive smoke phase gene. They're coming from a feller named Joey. Final correction this kind of blows my mind. This might win, but I think not.

[Corinne]

Up, up to me now.

[Randall]

Basically, it's this. Oh yeah, go ahead.

[Corinne]

Who wrote the title for this one?

[Randall]

Good.

[Corinne]

This should be good moose hunting.

[Randall]

Yeah,

[Phil Taylor]

Stag moose.

[Randall]

Good Stag moose hunting.

[Corinne]

I like this way this guy starts out. No bonafides to start with. Not long ago I would have been in the same boat as the news crew, thinking there are very few moose in North Dakota. I'm not sure exactly what we said last episode, but I was.

[Randall]

I expressed surprise about there being moose or I screwed up and said, oh no, you know what I said around that poacher had a dead moose. And I said he must have got that from someone else.

[Corinne]

I gotcha. Hardly enough to hold a season for. Three weeks ago, I was shocking. I was surprisingly shocked to read that North Dakota has a very generous moose season and issues more tags than I expected, especially compared to Texas, where I live. While in Kingsville, Texas, to watch our collegiate son pitch for the Kingsville, Texas Kingsville, Texas A&M javelinas.

[Randall]

What a flex that is. Yeah, that's like what a. Like out of nowhere.

[Steve]

Maybe just very proud. He's proud of his kid.

[Corinne]

But they do have a good mascot, the Javelinas. That's pretty sweet.

[Phil Taylor]

I like this guy.

[Randall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Corinne]

To my pleasant surprise, I read a small article about North Dakota and their big game harvesting reports. The details were unbelievable enough that I took a picture. Yada, yada, yada. Here are the 2025 moose harvest numbers according to the North Dakota fishing game. 292 moose tags issues, 281 hunters. I'm not sure how that works. 245 animals harvested, 147 bulls and 98 cows.

[Randall]

They got so many moose they're killing 100 cows.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

What's up with the two hundred and ninety two tags and two eight one hunters? Like some dudes must have dropped. Some dudes drew and didn't hunt. Didn't hunt because it's not like they're not finding people who want those tags.

[Corinne]

Exactly.

[Randall]

Dudes drew and didn't hunt, so.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

So they got moose coming out of their ears.

[Steve]

Yeah, he validated this with his brother who lives in North Dakota.

[Corinne]

And those are not shyrus moose like we were talking about a couple weeks ago. I think they're Canadians.

[Randall]

Is that right?

[Corinne]

I think so, yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

And those things are coming into Montana now. Oh, so like northeastern Montana has a growing population of these Canadians.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah. There's a line that you can draw coming down from the Canadian border in central Montana. It kind of cuts along the Missouri river country and then down southeast. And that's the dividing line for Canadian shirus.

[Corinne]

And you'll see those standing in alfalfa fields out there.

[Randall]

I'm learning all kinds of stuff. All right, to recap, let's go right into voting. No need to recap. We got TSS the 5 the. Put the TSS to rest. No, no. Albumin. Nope. How do you say it? Albumin. Albumin. Are you sure you put the emphasis on that syllable.

[Phil Taylor]

I'm sure. We'll hear if I don't.

[Randall]

Okay.

[Phil Taylor]

Trail cam on the line.

[Randall]

Tss. Moose fossils. Smoke Phase Turks. Moose in North Dakota. Oh, well, we weren't voting yet. I was just doing a review.

[Steve]

Okay.

[Spencer]

You said no need to review.

[Randall]

I know that. Changed my mind.

[Mark Kenyon]

Okay, thanks for passing that info.

[Randall]

Al Buman. Oh, sorry, no votes.

[Spencer]

Tricked him.

[Randall]

Tss. No votes. Moose fossils. No votes. Oh, Smoke Face Turks right here. One vote on Smoke Face Turks. He pays attention, clarifying that North Dakotans are awash. And moose.

[Corinne]

Yeah, they're overrun by them.

[Randall]

Big time winner.

[Steve]

Okay.

[Randall]

Just got himself a multi trail camera. Got himself a one year subscription so he can put it up and catch some of them moose while he's in Texas. Sends it to his brother.

[Phil Taylor]

Legendary Texas.

[Randall]

You know, he can put it up and get pictures of his kid playing baseball.

[Corinne]

Javelinas.

[Randall]

Yeah, you can just put it on the. Yeah, the post on the edge of the baseball court. All right, get his kidnare corrections.

[Steve]

300,000 corrections about baseball court.

[Randall]

Etiquette question.

[Corinne]

Okay, I'll do this one. Etiquette. Etiquette question about turkey hunting. I have a family debate. Do we got a picture?

[Randall]

I don't think. You know what I think? I think let's never mind that it's pure white. Okay, let's never mind this doesn't matter anyway. She shot her neighbor's pet turkey.

[Corinne]

I have a family debate I would like some outside input on. I'm an avid turkey hunter and have gotten My calling down to the point where I can reliably harvest a bird every year.

[Randall]

Good for him.

[Corinne]

Good for you. Yeah. I recently started dating someone and she's a very avid hunter but had never gone after turkeys. We decided to give it a shot last Saturday and she harvested it. Her first bird. Got that picture. Got it in the head.

[Spencer]

Nice work, Central Texas.

[Randall]

That's his new girlfriend.

[Corinne]

Yeah. The only thing is this is no normal Jake as pictured. You can see that sucker's pretty white. My figuring was this was an opportunity of a lifetime. Therefore I told my girlfriend to take the shot. Our issue is, is that we have an. Spencer, move your cursor. I can't read. Our issue is that we have an unspoken no Jake policy on my family's property. Between myself, father and brother. This is in Central Texas.

[Randall]

It's unspoken.

[Corinne]

Well, it must have been spoken at some point.

[Phil Taylor]

I was going to say it seems

[Randall]

like they're talking about policy. Yeah, yeah. I think it officially just became a spoken policy.

[Corinne]

I have been ribbed very aggressively over the past two days for harvesting that bird. However, is my understanding that the odds of a jake making it to the next year are low to begin with. Even lower when they stick out like that. I'm standing by my decision and I'm looking for vindication since we likely would have never seen that bird again. Also looking to brag that her first bird was that unique. Anyway, input is appreciated. My input is. I don't like. The only time I got anything against shooting jakes is when it's illegal to shoot them.

[Randall]

Yeah. That's a good damn girlfriend he's got. It's a great turkey. I don't care like especially with first time hunters and this walk.

[Phil Taylor]

I would think this is a swan.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Yeah. Let's not have shot that trick. I, I'm all for I 100 like any. Unless they make it illegal because they're trying to.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Curb harvest if it's legal. If your state fishing game agency says you're allowed to shoot a jake. Shoot a jake.

[Corinne]

Yep. If it makes you happy, go for it.

[Randall]

You know it's not, it's not.

[Corinne]

There's.

[Randall]

You can't like bring morality or something or ethics into the idea of shooting a good to eat turkey.

[Corinne]

And I don't even think you need to worry about like always probably not going to be around next year.

[Randall]

Like just like it's a good to eat turkey. The fish and game agency has established it. They got the numbers to. To shoot Jake. Shoot Jake. Especially if it's your brand new damn girlfriend and a white one walks by.

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Spencer]

Dad and brother are jealous.

[Randall]

Yeah, they probably don't have a new girlfriend. They probably got some old girls.

[Corinne]

If you guys are listening, you should send a DNA sample. That sucker to the people we were talking about earlier at the turkey DNA project. You'll find out if it's wild albino, if it's got some. What'd you say? Domestic introgression. There you go.

[Randall]

Introgression.

[Corinne]

Randall. Tax dollars for conservation.

[Phil Taylor]

All right, this email comes to us. Well, I'll get to that. In a recent episode, Steve briefly said, I'm paraphrasing here. Didn't some state increase their taxes by some tiny amount and it's making shitloads of money for conservation?

[Randall]

I sound like an idiot when you read it like that. Really sound like.

[Phil Taylor]

No, no, you say it faster, it

[Randall]

rolls off the top.

[Phil Taylor]

Did some state increase the tax, Got some tiny amounts making shitloads of money for conservation. I think he's referring to Minnesota's Clean Water, Land and Legacy constitutional amendment of 2008, which by three eighths of 1%. That money, over $2 billion since 2008, all goes back to various conservation measures. But of particular interest to the meat eater crowd, this funding has helped purchase over 300,000 acres of public land as well as habitat work on hundreds of thousands more. If I was giving one piece of advice to sportsmen, conservationists and public land lovers, mimic what is happening in Minnesota. Because going. Because going in on X every other week. Going on on X.

[Randall]

Let me hit that line.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, please.

[Randall]

Because going on on X every other week and seeing a new place to hunt fish and recreate in your home state is amazing.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, you nailed it. Longtime listener. Love the show. Love the news split. Thanks Sabine. And Sabine is the Minnesota state coordinator for Pheasants Forever.

[Randall]

That's great. And Carl Malcolm has been talking about. Cause he. Carl Malcolm was telling me over dinner recently, like about a tale of two states. The funding mechanism in Wisconsin being so stressed and the funding mechanism in Minnesota being so effective that Minnesota is going around buying new public land for its residents. Meanwhile, Wisconsin's suffering on funding. And so Carl talking about the need to get creative around funding wildlife agencies and they've done a good job. Missouri's done a good job.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah. And you can go to. I looked this up after I read this email. You can go to the Congressional Sportsman's foundation website and they have a whole page explaining conservation sales tax in different states and how different states have done it and how well, it's working and all that stuff. Like, they have a whole overview of the subject. So it's kind of interesting to see the different models out there.

[Randall]

I'd like to see a $0.05 on the dollar sales tax. All goes toward. All goes five cents on a dollar. Would people vote for that? Five cents on a dollar sales tax and it all goes to conservation. That'd be a narrow. That wouldn't win.

[Phil Taylor]

No, but no one would be mad at you.

[Spencer]

You wouldn't have to do it for very long. They did $2 billion since 2008. If you did $0.05 out of a dollar, you just gotta put up.

[Randall]

Yeah, we're just gonna do it one year.

[Spencer]

Five years.

[Randall]

Yeah, five years. Don't go back to normal. No taxes. Because then you'd have a. What do you call it when you have a big pot of money, like universities and stuff? An endowment. You build an endowment. If you buy stuff from Etsy, quit.

[Phil Taylor]

That's right.

[Randall]

Sons of bitches.

[Phil Taylor]

That's right. Yeah. This is from the past week. Etsy as of August 11th. So a couple months out from now, what is it, four months out, they will ban the sale of all animal fur, regardless of age or origin, as part of its, quote unquote, ongoing biodiversity efforts.

[Randall]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Taylor]

And so they've clarified that biodiversity. They're talking about the fur of animals killed primarily for their pelts. It does not include taxidermy or byproduct materials such as leather, sheepskin, wool or mohair. And it includes stuff like the, the age and origin context is. I mean, like, basically means if you have a fur coat from the 1920s, you can't sell it on Etsy, but you can. Even though taxidermy, even though that animal's been dead for a hundred years. I guess there's, there's a, an organization called Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade. And it's a campaign, the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade, that's made up of a bunch of grassroots groups and they've been protesting against Etsy, including a, quote, high profile disruption of a live presentation by the CEO of Etsy at a Morgan Stanley event in San Francisco. So this is a win for the Coalition to Abolish the Fur Trade. And they've been working on a bunch of different companies lately, including Conde Nat. I don't know how they were, how well they were involved in these, but there's a bunch of companies like Conde Nast, Marc Jacobs, things like New York Fashion Week that are getting rid of fur.

[Randall]

Man, this has got me excited about starting a Etsy esque fur.

[Corinne]

I don't think you should, I think you should have kept that up down,

[Randall]

but bleep that out. Phil. Whatever man. Whatever.

[Corinne]

Pennsylvania catfish regs, they're proposing to change them. This, this was interesting to me because of, of how it's, how it's going to be playing out like on one side of Pennsylvania versus the other. Presently in, in the state of Pennsylvania, cat catfish are listed similarly to panfish in the regs. You can have a, you can catch and keep 50 a day with no size limit. And it's not like you imagine 50

[Randall]

big catfish piled up.

[Corinne]

I don't think they're delineating between channel catfish, flatheads, blues. It's just catfish. Right.

[Randall]

Like in their mind, catfish, catfish.

[Phil Taylor]

Yep.

[Corinne]

So a new proposed regulation that would, that would go into place next year for the Ohio river basin in Pennsylvania, which is almost the entire western half of Pennsylvania. It's aiming to protect native blue and flathead catfish populations in the Ohio river drainage in Pennsylvania. And it, they're pretty, it's a pretty huge change for, for blue catfish they would go catch and release only. And for flatheads it would go to four fish daily with only one over 35 wow inches. So it's a big, big change.

[Randall]

And I need to, I want to pause on that for a. I just want to reiterate what you just said. That's a big change.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

To go from we don't distinguish species and you're allowed 50 a day.

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Randall]

To no retention on blues.

[Corinne]

On blues.

[Randall]

So like one day you can catch 50 blues, the next day zero.

[Corinne]

Yeah. And. And they kind of, they describe these, these fisheries in western Pennsylvania as like emerging fisheries, which is not really, I don't think an accurate way to describe it. It's more like recovering fisheries because they're native to that drainage and they're starting to come back. Pennsylvania has a stocking program now to create a self sustaining blue cat population in the Ohio river drainage. So big changes and a couple of quotes is both the blues and flatheads are only native to the Ohio river basin in Pennsylvania. They're not native to Lake Erie drainage, the Delaware or the. And the goal of the blue catfish restoration program is again to establish a naturally reproducing population. The species was extirpated from the area in the early 1900s because of pollution. And as water quality has been restored, they've kind of both flatheads and blues have kind of started coming back on their own. I mean you can catch These things like in downtown Pittsburgh, right next to Three River Stadium.

[Randall]

But homo. I got a question here.

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Randall]

Why? Oh, flatheads are saying not native to. Because. Because flats are. There's flats in the Great Lakes. They're saying they're not native to the.

[Corinne]

They're not native to the. They're native to the Ohio river drainage, but not those drainage. Other drainage.

[Randall]

Because Great Lakes have flats.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

But this is very interesting in the case of Pennsylvania and other places like Virginia, West Virginia. In that area, Maryland, Chesapeake Bay, because you drive a couple hundred miles, not even that far, one side. Basically, like the eastern continental divide in the Appalachian Mountains. Like, you go over that from west to east, and you're now in a part of Pennsylvania where blues and flatheads are considered invasives. And they're doing a lot of damage to native fisheries in, like, the Susquehanna river drainage. They're a big problem in Chesapeake Bay now for native fish. So it's like one side of the state, they're trying to bring them back and you can't keep them. The other side of the state, they're invasive and they want them gone. It's kind of crazy.

[Randall]

I'm all for it on one condition. I'm all for it on if they feel that. If they see good recovery.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

And they see numbers that they'll adjust to be like, okay, you can keep a blue a day, whatever. But I agree, I agree that like that kind of like loosey goosey management of lumping three very different fish together under one umbrella and then making a 50.

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Randall]

Fish thing. Because if some guy gets on kind of like a weird bite during the spawn.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

And pulls off 20, 30 blues.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

I mean, holy cow, man.

[Corinne]

Especially like big spawning size fish, you know?

[Randall]

Not that I wouldn't want to be there for that bite, but.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Corinne]

You thank my dad for that story. He sent it to me.

[Phil Taylor]

Thank you. Brody's dad.

[Steve]

Yeah.

[Randall]

He fought at Little Bighorn. He's not that old, but some of Brody's relatives fought at Little Bighorn. They're not talking. They're buried deep

[Jordan Sillers]

on blood trails. The stories don't end when the hunt is over. They just get darker.

[Corinne]

I seen something in the road. I instantly thought it was a sleeping bag. And there was a pool of blood.

[Randall]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Taylor]

He doesn't have a head.

[Jordan Sillers]

Blood Trails is a true crime podcast. Born in the outdoors, where the terrain is unforgiving, the evidence is scarce, and the truth gets buried under brush and silence.

[Corinne]

Indications where he should be right there. And.

[Jordan Sillers]

But he wasn't this season, we're going deeper. From cold case files to whispered suspicions, from remote mountains to frozen backwoods. Each story begins in the wilderness and ends in darkness. Because out here, there are no witnesses, no cameras, just fragments. And the people left behind trying to piece them back together.

[Steve]

He's not an honest person. He's incapable of being honest.

[Corinne]

Somebody somewhere knows something.

[Jordan Sillers]

I'm Jordan Sillers. Season 2 of Blood Trails premieres April 16th. Follow now on Apple, iHeart, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Steve]

Okay, for all those birders out there, you guys are ahead, potentially ahead of this anti aging game that everyone seems to care about so much. A new study that was published in the Journal of Neuroscience suggests that birding can actually help brain health over time. And one of the leading scientists said mitigate age related decline. More research is needed, but here we go. So the neuroscientist Eric Wing and his co authors with their study, they reveal that parts of the brains of expert birders are denser than those of novice birders when matched in age, gender and education level. They use the neuroscientists use MRI measures to study brain function and the density of brain structures in real time. They found that changes to structural brain organization in several regions. Sorry. They found changes to structural brain organization in several regions that are involved in attention and perception. They looked at how the brain regions responded when people memorized and identified birds. And some regions with structural differences also showed higher brain activities when these expert birders were looking at unfamiliar birds. And that required like more attention to subtle patterns of the birds. And in novices, they didn't see this increase. So they know that larger numbers of people need to be studied over a period of time. So that'd be a longitudinal study. But so far what they've found lets that leads them to believe that there is a benefit to being an expert birder.

[Randall]

There you have it. So here this if you're dumb, try burden.

[Corinne]

I, I want to be part of the study because I told Corinne earlier that when I'm observing birds, it's generally like a very high stress, not a relaxing like when I'm looking at a turkey, I'm not like my brain's not growing, it's shrinking because of high stress. Cortisol.

[Randall]

Yeah, no, I understand. Yeah. But you know when I do do this, so I do like when I'm trying to tell, when I'm trying to think if I just heard a gobble. Yeah, that's interesting to me. But then I feel like I'm slipping Like, I'm losing my hearing. I'm getting old. But it could be that me trying to, like, do that little math in my head.

[Corinne]

Yep.

[Randall]

Was that a gobble? How far away was he? I could be getting smarter. Yeah, but I. I'll buy that. I'll buy that. Because you know what? It also, like, ties into, like, this very ancient. I get to get a little fuzzy here. But, I mean, you know, we're, like, constructed to. To interact. Like, our bodies, our physical. Our physical selves are constructed to, like, interact with a wild landscape and identify and. Yeah. To pay it, like, to be at a. At a state of, like, heightened attention, paying to what's going on around you, because that's how you survive or don't survive. You know, like, listening, looking. So the fact that there's some part of your brain or anatomy that flourishes in wildlife viewing and wondering about wildlife, that's not surprising to me. That was a little fuzzy.

[Phil Taylor]

No, I think that. I think that was crystal clear.

[Randall]

Someone's gonna put that in quotes and send it back to me.

[Phil Taylor]

What did he say? I'd crocheted into a little pillow and put it on my couch.

[Spencer]

Mm.

[Phil Taylor]

Loves here.

[Randall]

Who's handling this?

[Steve]

I can do this quickly. This is. This is a fast one.

[Randall]

But can you within this, explain to me how this isn't federal? Like, what. Isn't this a federal thing? Go on.

[Steve]

What? What? I understood it was just a quick news blurb about South Dakota being the very first state to remove suppressors from a list of controlled weapons. So this was right now, it's April. So just at the end of last month, the governor of South Dakota, Larry Roden, signed SB2. So that deregulates suppressors at the state level because it removes suppressors from the definition of a, quote, controlled weapon, you know?

[Randall]

I see. I understand now they're getting out ahead of it.

[Steve]

Yes, they are. Yes.

[Randall]

Because the feds really need to. The feds really need to do this.

[Corinne]

I wonder if controlled weapons means that at some point, like, no background check, you're just going to be able to

[Randall]

walk into a store.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh.

[Randall]

If it's not controlled at all.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Because right now it's more aggressor and

[Corinne]

you walk away with it.

[Randall]

Yeah. Like, it's more controlled than a gun. Yeah. It's like you can buy a gun anywhere, but you just can't make it quiet.

[Corinne]

Yeah.

[Randall]

Like, it's like, no, it's okay to have a gun. We just don't want the gun to be quiet.

[Phil Taylor]

Well, it's.

[Randall]

We Want to make sure it hurts your ears.

[Phil Taylor]

Hearing safe. Let's not say quiet. Let's say hearing safe.

[Randall]

Hearing safe.

[Phil Taylor]

We don't want to give the impression that these are silencers.

[Randall]

Yeah, it is to me. I think someday there will be a class action lawsuit and I'm going to be in it. A class action lawsuit where deaf dudes. Dudes going deaf like me. Sue Not. Not guns. We sue the government. Can you take the government. Can you do a class action lawsuit against the government?

[Mark Kenyon]

Sure.

[Randall]

A class action lawsuit where people with hearing damage come together to sue the government for having made it so hard to make your gun. Safe level. Safe audible levels. This would be a great way to spend some the summer.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah. You do think about like. I always think it makes the most sense when you put it in the context of public health. It's like when you think of all of us that are going to be old people someday.

[Corinne]

Oh, dude. I lay down at night. The tinnitus is like.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, like. Like, it's just. It's such like a cost sink in health care for hearing angle.

[Steve]

The cost sink.

[Randall]

And this is part of it. You could. You want to run the class action suit?

[Phil Taylor]

Sure. I'll line it up. We got that attorney's email. The guy bought the tss. Maybe when he's here giving Brody his tss, we can.

[Randall]

Here's the main way I look at the suppressor question. Let's just say guns were naturally the noise they are when you put a suppressor on them. Like the physics that governed the world were different.

[Phil Taylor]

Right.

[Randall]

Or we had a different.

[Phil Taylor]

I don't know what.

[Randall]

That. Whatever the hell, for some weird reason, inexplicable reason, guns were the loudness. They are unsuppressed. That they are when there's a suppressor.

[Phil Taylor]

Great thought experiment.

[Randall]

Would the government say it has. You have to put a thing on there to make it louder because we want it to be loud.

[Phil Taylor]

Break them all.

[Randall]

Or would they just be cool with that level of loudness? Yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

That's an interesting thought experiment.

[Randall]

I feel it. That's fine. That's just how loud they are. It doesn't really hurt your ears. And we're okay with that.

[Phil Taylor]

Some chemist out there might be working on low, low volume powder.

[Randall]

Okay, Spencer.

[Spencer]

I think it's also worth pointing out in the last story. South Dakota, Sioux Falls is home to silencer central.

[Randall]

Yeah.

[Spencer]

Kind of a nod to, you know, one of their more prominent businesses. All right, this week I'm going to talk about Bigfoot. Last month there was a string of encounters that got the Bigfoot community very exciting.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, wow.

[Spencer]

And happen in a place that you might not expect.

[Steve]

On this map.

[Spencer]

Northeast Ohio. In a five day span around Portage county, there were seven Bigfoot sightings with four of those happening on the same damn day. That was March 9th. Portage County. It's located on the eastern edge of Cleveland And Akan has 160,000 people. About 60% of them live in urban areas, 40% in rural areas. Randall is our token Ohioan. He's familiar with the area. He'll tell you more about it.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, I was.

[Randall]

He's taking the story over.

[Phil Taylor]

Well, I was just going to explain to you.

[Corinne]

I want to set you.

[Phil Taylor]

I want to set the stage for you. At first I was very excited when I sort of began to orient myself to Portage county because I thought I can mention Maurice Claret or Jim Trestle. I thought I could mention these are dudes from high school Youngstown. The boys of Youngstown. That's Youngstown, Ohio. If you just dig into the soil there, you'll find pure football excellence in Akron, the home of LeBron James.

[Spencer]

Then I realized all very important details,

[Phil Taylor]

they fall outside of Portage County.

[Randall]

You know what you're doing? He's doing that thing. There's a word for it. It's a rhetorical device. It's a rhetorical device where you say something by saying how you're not going to say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

I did find out that Portage county would go like.

[Randall]

Not to mention. And then you mention it. All right.

[Phil Taylor]

Clark Gable went to high school in Portage county briefly.

[Corinne]

Oh, wow.

[Spencer]

Okay.

[Phil Taylor]

And then also Marvin Chester Stone, as we all know, the inventor of the modern drinking straw.

[Corinne]

That's a real.

[Spencer]

This is good background.

[Randall]

The turtle, the sea turtle. Blood on that man's hand.

[Phil Taylor]

If you'll indulge me just for one moment.

[Mark Kenyon]

He's got. Scroll down in the. In the Wikipedia page. He's got open.

[Phil Taylor]

As I was digging into this to this place, I thought to myself, what other notable people are from Youngstown, Ohio, who could be there? Because the list of football excellence just goes on forever. So I ended up on a page called Dog sports, which is the University of Georgia football. So I found this. Thomas Bopp, an amateur astronomer noteworthy for discovering the Hale Bopp Comet.

[Randall]

No. No kidding.

[Phil Taylor]

Did you know where that's what.

[Randall]

Yeah. Cause some dudes killed themselves on that

[Spencer]

comet and they were wearing what, purple Nikes?

[Randall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Phil Taylor]

And the time.

[Randall]

Good bunch.

[Phil Taylor]

Bop was employed as a constructions material. He was employed at a construction materials company. And actually made the discovery using a telescope he borrowed from someone else.

[Spencer]

Wow.

[Steve]

Wow.

[Randall]

That guy's got to be pissed.

[Phil Taylor]

Fascinating stuff.

[Randall]

Like the guy that owns it. Yeah. Think of how bummed he is. If he'd just been looking through his own telescope, he'd have named it.

[Corinne]

That'd be like me borrowing a rifle from Steve and shooting the world record mule rifle.

[Phil Taylor]

Yeah, so. So with that, I feel like I've pretty well grounded our audience.

[Randall]

I know because at first I was like, yeah, who cares? I don't know anything about that area. But now I'm really invested.

[Phil Taylor]

But again, Youngstown is outside of Portage County. It's just to the east.

[Spencer]

Good. Good table setting for the rest of this story.

[Randall]

So now I like. I get where we're at, man.

[Phil Taylor]

I won't even get into Mount Union football.

[Spencer]

Now these sightings are gathered by the bigfoot society. Who interviews every single witness. And then I read their accounts. And I'm going to tell you about some of my favorite ones from this string of seven sightings. From March 9, 8pm Route 303 west of Streetsboro near tinker's creek. This is, you know what these people were seeing.

[Phil Taylor]

Classic country.

[Spencer]

A mother and daughter driving westbound. When they spot a six and a half foot figure walking in the roadway. They cautiously drive around it, Getting as close as three feet away from the bigfoot. The squatch then ducks into the woods. And the motorists decide not to turn around to investigate. Out of fear of what they just saw.

[Randall]

I would have grabbed about a ball so hard, dude, I'd still be holding it. Man.

[Corinne]

I gotta ask.

[Randall]

Maybe we'll get there.

[Corinne]

Spencer, is there any visual evidence from.

[Randall]

No. This picture was taken after the bigfoot went away. I understand, but I'm not in there.

[Spencer]

I've got a Google street view of this.

[Mark Kenyon]

Just like Randall Spencer's trying to put us in a time and place right now.

[Phil Taylor]

Three feet would have been prime photo opportunity.

[Spencer]

Yeah, that thing would be like standing on the white line. And you know you're where that X is in your lane. He's real close. So they drive around it.

[Randall]

Chemtrails that day. I bet at first there's six chemtrails.

[Spencer]

Now they describe it as being lean.

[Randall]

I saw weed smoke.

[Spencer]

Yeah. They should drug test these people. That should be part of the interview. Witness statement. They described it as being lean with tightly grouped facial features. It was all brown with facial hair that was lighter color than the body hair. It had long legs and long arms. And they described it having a stilt like gait. So there you go. Now here's some commentary from the Bigfoot society regarding their interview with the witnesses. Here's the quote. The proximity of this sighting three feet and the corroboration between a mother and her 18 year old daughter make this an elite level report. The Description of a 6 and a half foot lean brown subject matches another sighting from the same evening suggesting this may be a juvenile or sub adult traveling the same corridor.

[Randall]

Here's where they always go. They always go where they like. Try to legitimize it with like you tackle.

[Spencer]

Yeah.

[Corinne]

How many miles does that the path

[Spencer]

cover did you like like from each sighting?

[Corinne]

Because you said it was on the same day right?

[Spencer]

Yeah. There were a number of them in the same day. This next one I'm going to talk about. This happened 20 miles in east of that sighting. Same day moving 3-9-noon. Car he's run at the headwaters trail near Garrettsville.

[Randall]

Oh is that him up on the right?

[Spencer]

I don't think it is.

[Phil Taylor]

A trash can.

[Corinne]

The trash can, that's him.

[Spencer]

Jacob Taylor and an anonymous secondary witness. So Jacob Taylor, he was willing to put his first and last name out there. Other witness? No, he says I'm going to be anonymous. They see an 8 to 10 foot tall figure on a trail. Yeah. They said it had extremely broad shoulders with arms extending well below human proportions. It also had a stilt light gate which is language we heard from the last sighting as well. It had a strong musky odor and made a deep.

[Corinne]

They were close enough to smell it.

[Randall]

Don't they think that it's a person with stilts? What does a stilt like gate mean?

[Spencer]

That's just. That's just how.

[Randall]

Have you ever like the tall man? It's like the tall man at a circus.

[Spencer]

They don't bend their knees.

[Corinne]

So this one was 8 to 10ft. This one must be an adult not a sub.

[Spencer]

This is a full blown.

[Mark Kenyon]

Yeah, we're talking about a family.

[Spencer]

Big Sasquatch. Now the encounter lasted about 15 seconds before the Bigfoot retreated into the brush. Here's my favorite detail of all these Ohio sightings. They said the ground literally shook when Sasquatch ran away. Oh my God size footsteps. That damn thing like a T. Rex. All right. The next day March 10, 4am at a home on the edge of Newton Falls, Ohio. This is about.

[Randall]

I've been getting the amazing photos like what are you talking about?

[Spencer]

Typing in Google street view.

[Randall]

Yeah but you, what are you. You're using. Are you using lat lawn or just Pulling up addresses.

[Spencer]

Well, so the. The bigfoot society, they drop a pin for where these sightings happen. And then I go to google street view and I found the closest street I could get.

[Randall]

But you're pulling addresses up?

[Spencer]

Yes.

[Randall]

Okay, this.

[Spencer]

This is, you know, within like, a few hundred yards.

[Randall]

I thought it got more sophisticated. Were you able to pull up lat lawns and not the address?

[Corinne]

That looks like a good turkey hunting spot there. Also.

[Spencer]

Also quite.

[Randall]

You just sat there this spring with a shotgun. You get the bird. Or a big 100% Bigfoot.

[Spencer]

Now, a homeowner lets out their german shepherd to go to the bathroom. The K9 gets to the edge of the property and turns extremely aggressive and starts lunging and barking. That's when our witness spots it. An 8 to 10 foot tall figure that has significant mass. That was their quote. The dog then runs back into the house and begins uncontrollably shaking. The bigfoot runs away and is heard crashing through the brush. Our anonymous witness says the sasquatch was, quote, non stealthy. Non stealthy for that one. Now, here's. Here's the least stealthy thing about these bigfoot sightings. In northeast ohio, Four of the seven sightings were in broad daylight. A fifth sighting was right after sunset. So it got me wondering, as you suggested, Steve, Is this the result of the bigfoot rut? Could it be?

[Randall]

You know what it might be? You remember a dude in. In montana, Got himself a bigfoot suit and jumped out in front of a car to scare the people in the car, but they hit him and killed them. There's like, a certain hazard to doing these shenanigans at night.

[Spencer]

Sure.

[Randall]

Like, it's just. You're more likely to draw gunfire and stuff, like, at night instead of broad daylight. Yeah. It's like you're just, like, less likely to get shot.

[Spencer]

Yeah. No, I think it could be the bigfoot. Ruth. Maybe there was a she squatch Coming into estrus that week. Or Was it the March 3rd full moon that got these bigfoots on their feet in daylight? As we talked about with deer biologists in the past, you know, there's. There's a lot of lore.

[Phil Taylor]

What were the dates?

[Spencer]

It was, like, March 5th to the 10th.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, so Mercury was in retrograde.

[Randall]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Spencer]

Yeah, I forgot. I didn't consider that. Now, I used to do a series on our website called ask a squatcher, Where I interviewed bigfoot experts and ask them some really basic questions, like, is bigfoot dangerous? What's the best evidence that bigfoot exists? What does Bigfoot eat? One of the questions I asked was, why have Bigfoot sightings decreased? And in that article, I pointed out that Bigfoot encounters surged in the early 2000s, but they've gone way down since 2009, and I wanted to get their take on this. I interviewed folks like Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum, Ronnie LeBlanc, Matt Moneymaker. You probably don't know those names, but that'd be like If I said LeBron James, Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and you probably don't know. It's just like that. Yeah. My favorite response, though, was from Jeremiah Byron, the founder of the Bigfoot Society. Here's his quote. The Bigfoot population is not dying out, so don't. If, in case you thought that was it, it's not. But there are less sightings because we as a culture are not going out in the woods anymore. It's as simple as that. Bigfoot is not going to show up in your Instagram DMs. You'll only see him while out exploring statewide forests or national parks. When's the last time we took time to do that? It's probably been a while since Bigfoot has seen a human either.

[Randall]

Oh, my God.

[Phil Taylor]

I like that, though.

[Randall]

Remember I said there's never anything other

[Spencer]

to say than I've added a lot to this story. Yeah.

[Randall]

Well, no, no, you didn't know. You did a great job. His point, though, because. Because the Bigfoot people are going to need to have a reckoning with trail cams.

[Spencer]

Sure.

[Randall]

But it was suggested to me that they're on. The Bigfoots are on a dimension that isn't cap. That isn't. Trail cams aren't able to capture the them.

[Spencer]

Yeah, well, Jeremiah says the drop in Bigfoot sightings, it's a negative. You know, it's actually a reflection of how Americans have a weaker relationship with the outdoors. And he's not totally wrong. Here's a graph showing the Bigfoot sightings by year. As you can see, it was pretty consistent trend. But then there was that spike in 2020, which, of course was when Covid hit. We all know how that impacted fishing license sales and campground reservations. So in 2020, Bigfoot had a. Had a little renaissance.

[Phil Taylor]

I like that he's using his esoteric interest to encourage people to spend time outside.

[Randall]

Yeah, Bigfoot.

[Spencer]

Now. I reached out to my cast.

[Randall]

Esoteric. You think it's esoteric?

[Phil Taylor]

I don't know. Esoteric.

[Corinne]

I always said esoteric.

[Randall]

Esoteric.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh, God, I don't know. The corrections are going to get me.

[Spencer]

I Reached out to my cast of Bigfoot experts to get their take on the Ohio sightings. Haven't heard back from them yet, but I'm hoping we learned that it was the rudder, the full moon or Mercury in retrograde. I'll give you guys an update in a future episode when we find out if it's now Bigfoot post rut in Northeast Ohio.

[Randall]

All right, ladies and gentlemen. No, it was great. I thought it was good. Listen, we. We had a. I'm not goofing on it because remember, we had a Bigfoot person on yes, dude again. But she wasn't, though. She was a reporter on Bigfoot, so it's not like I'm above it. I like the story.

[Spencer]

I was bringing some candy to the episode. You guys provided a lot of vegetables, and then here I come, you know, with a bucket full of dessert.

[Randall]

I liked it. I'm interested. A la mode. Oh, did you bring your foot?

[Spencer]

No, I haven't brought my foot.

[Randall]

Spencer has a Bigfoot's foot.

[Spencer]

Steve wants it in the new studio. Yeah, it's in my office.

[Phil Taylor]

You paid good money.

[Randall]

You could have just brought it downstairs for this.

[Spencer]

Well, it's just too close.

[Corinne]

It only cost him 40 bucks. You could get your own.

[Steve]

What do you mean, like a. I've

[Spencer]

got a cast of the most famous Bigfoot in the world.

[Steve]

Oh. Oh.

[Spencer]

Of the imprint Patterson Gimlin.

[Randall]

Were you telling me that you regretted buying it?

[Spencer]

No. Zero regret. I thought I would regret it and I never did. Hasn't hit me yet.

[Phil Taylor]

That's always a good feeling when you're conducting a transaction. I'm probably gonna regret this. It never hits you?

[Spencer]

No. It's been one of my best purchases I've never made. Yeah.

[Randall]

Do you think it was a cast off a cast, or do you think it actually touched the cast?

[Spencer]

There's a number of folks who own a cast, and so I don't think I got my cast off of the cast.

[Randall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Spencer]

It was like a, you know, third hand cast.

[Randall]

Yeah, it's like a. It's like quite removed. Like you're not going to find like a hair in your cast or something.

[Corinne]

Have you ever tried to, like, join a Bigfoot hunting party?

[Spencer]

No, no, No, I haven't.

[Randall]

You should.

[Spencer]

I'm into it all. I love it. But again, I've said this a thousand times. I don't believe in Bigfoot.

[Randall]

Oh. You know what? I found out recently that it startled me. This is the end of the show, ladies and gentlemen. But I found out recently that the writer, Peter Matheson. Okay. So was a Bigfoot enthusiast. So when he was working on the snow leopard in the Himalaya, he's working on the snow leopard he got interested in. Some of the people he was with were hip to yeti. The yeti. Yetis. And that sent him down like, a path. And he became something of a Bigfoot enthusiast and even toyed with the idea about doing a book.

[Phil Taylor]

Oh.

[Randall]

So here's this, like, highly esteemed member of, like, the American Literati prize winning author. Was sucked in.

[Phil Taylor]

We were robbed of that book.

[Randall]

Was sucked in.

[Spencer]

Yep. I'm with him. I, you know, a few of my favorite things. Mushrooms and rocks like that community. Rockhounds, mushroom hunters. They love Bigfoot. Like, that Venn diagram is just one circle of, you know, people who like Bigfoot rocks and mushrooms. So I just get a lot of exposure from that.

[Randall]

You're like in the crossfire.

[Spencer]

Can't avoid it.

[Randall]

Oh, quick last note before we're done. So we got. We were doing our Meat Eater Time Machine. Every month we're dropping teas and hoodies with historic themes right now. Coming up here, we got the Pittman Robertson act hoodie so you can show off your conservation history knowledge when you're running around in your genuine Pittman Robertson Act. Funding conservation since what year was that? 1937, says Pittman Robertson. Funding conservation since 1937. Part of the Meat Eater Time Machine series. We also got Custer's Last Stand coming up. Battle of the Greasy Grass. We did Clovis Buffalo Jumps, Custer's Last Stand, Fred Bear's Rules of Bow Hunting. All kinds of stops on American history, including this one. Am I supposed to say something more about this? No, no.

[Phil Taylor]

Head to the meteor store.

[Randall]

And. And while you're at your computer here, follow the show wherever you listen to podcasts and subscribe please on the Meat Eater podcast YouTube channel. Thanks for joining.

[Steve]

This is an I heart podcast.

[Randall]

Guaranteed human.