2025 Memorable Moments: Matthew McConaughey, Charlie Kirk, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Schulz, Dave Portnoy, Tim Dillon

Summary

The Megyn Kelly Show: 2025 Memorable Moments

SiriusXM | December 25, 2025
Host: Megyn Kelly
Guests: Matthew McConaughey, Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Schulz, Dave Portnoy, Tim Dillon, Charlie Kirk

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Overview:

This special episode of The Megyn Kelly Show celebrates and recaps some of the most insightful, poignant, and hilarious moments from the show's 2025 lineup. With over 200 episodes aired, Megyn highlights extended interviews and lively discussions with high-profile guests from various fields, including actor Matthew McConaughey, DNI director Tulsi Gabbard, comedians Andrew Schulz and Tim Dillon, Barstool Sports founder Dave Portnoy, and commentator Charlie Kirk. The episode explores themes of parenting, risk and authenticity, political integrity, cultural satire, fertility journeys, media scandals, and modern dating, all delivered in the show's signature unfiltered, “no BS” tone.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Matthew McConaughey on Raising Kids & Nepotism

[00:00 – 23:00]

• Navigating Nepotism and Parenting in Hollywood

  • McConaughey shares candidly about his approach when his son Levi expressed interest in acting, emphasizing authenticity and self-driven growth over entitlement.

    “I don’t want my kids to ever feel entitled. But I did open a door—I had access to get his read to the cast director. Once in the door, son, you go handle.” —Matthew McConaughey [03:43]

  • He requested his son’s last name be removed from casting materials, wanting a fair assessment.

• Dealing with Criticism and Building Thick Skin

  • McConaughey prepares his kids for inevitable criticism and praise due to their name.

    “Fair has nothing to do with this. If you love doing the craft enough, you’ve got to have thick skin about the rest.” —Matthew McConaughey [04:37]

• Parenting Philosophy: DNA vs. Upbringing

  • Both Megyn and Matthew discuss the realization that DNA plays a larger role in children’s destinies than parents often admit.

• Traditional Values with Flexible Friendship

  • McConaughey describes being a “conservative very liberal late” father, teaching manners and boundaries before full self-expression.

    “Learn to deal before you dream.” —Matthew McConaughey [07:45]

  • He discusses the evolving father-child relationship: father, “big brother,” and eventually friend.

• Risk-Taking and Life Philosophy

  • On whether God values the quantity or quality of risks:

    “Is God happier if we take eight major risks in life and pull off seven of them? Or is he happy when we take a hundred risks and pull off eight?” —Matthew McConaughey [10:57]

  • Megyn and Matthew agree that continuing to take risks, especially after achieving success, is challenging but essential.

• Distinguishing ‘Nice Guy’ from ‘Good Man’

  • McConaughey discusses his shift from playing “nice guy” roles to pursuing more substantial roles, and the difference between being agreeable and having integrity.

    “A good man stands for certain ideals... that means you’re going to run into conflicts, have to lead when you’d rather watch, run toward crisis instead of away.” [13:41]

• Career & Family Choices

  • McConaughey credits Paul Newman as a role model for balancing career, family, and philanthropy.

    “If I could do it again, I’d have made the kids come with [me] and choose to be with Dad.” [20:20]

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2. Tulsi Gabbard: DNI, Accountability, and the Trump Legacy

[23:51 – 38:32]

• On Being Labeled a ‘Russian Asset’

  • Megyn teases Tulsi about the past political attacks and asks about revoking Hillary Clinton’s security clearance.

    “I smiled.” —Tulsi Gabbard [23:58]

• Cleaning Up DEI in Intelligence Agencies

  • Tulsi details her efforts to dismantle DEI (Diversity, Equity, Inclusion) structures within the intelligence community, revealing vast hidden expenses and misplaced priorities.

    “There was a DEI office that was immediately shut down—alone was a savings of around $20 million. The Office of Human Capital... a slush fund for DEI, shut down at a savings of $150 million.” [26:06]

  • She exposes how DEI initiatives overrode national security tasks, affecting promotions and work focus.

• NSA Scandals: Inappropriate Workplace Conduct

  • Tulsi recounts discovering explicit content shared on work forums at the NSA and her swift action in firing and revoking security clearances.

    “Imagine you’re in any office... having these kinds of sexually explicit conversations is unacceptable, and it must not be happening in our premier intelligence agency.” [29:39]

• Signal Gate & Information Security

  • Tulsi clarifies the use and acceptance of the Signal app for confidential communications across administrations.

    “Signal has been recognized by the federal government during the Biden administration... the preferred messaging app.” [33:06]

• Leadership, Service, and 2028 Hints

  • Asked if she’d run for president in 2028:

    “I will never rule out any opportunity to serve my country. My decisions are around how I can best be of service to God, our country.” [35:32]

  • On what she’d take from President Trump: boldness, fearlessness, connection with the people, and willingness to lead without bowing to criticism.

    “He’s a very bold leader... the kind of bold change we’re seeing has never happened like this under any other president.” [37:12]

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3. Tim Dillon & IVF: Honest, Hilarious Reflections

[39:47 – 51:18]

• Breaking Taboos about Male Fertility and IVF

  • Tim discusses the stigma and humor found in navigating IVF and fertility struggles with his partner, including awkward clinic visits, shame, and absurd rituals.

    “I think the reason anyone with fertility issues feels isolated is you’re so protective of the person you love... once I found out it was me, it got easier to talk about.” [40:39]

• IVF Procedures: Comedy and Catharsis

  • Both Tim and Megyn swap stories about sperm donation, mixing medication at home, and the emotionally complex impact it had on their marriages.

    “They make you mix it at home... I’m like, why isn’t this done at the lab?” —Tim Dillon [48:07] “By the third child, Doug was no part of it. I said I need no ice. I’m good. Boom, we’re done.” —Megyn Kelly [47:49]

• Postpartum and Parenting Insights

  • Tim and Megyn discuss the intensity of breastfeeding schedules, exhaustion, and the strange hormonal aftermath.

    “Full-time breastfeeding every two hours... is the most difficult part of child rearing.” —Tim Dillon [50:22]

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4. Charlie Kirk & Andrew Schulz: Satire, Gender, and Modern Dating

[52:44 – 87:26]

• The Satire of Meghan Markle

  • The group lampoons Markle’s “female founder” podcast and upscale consumer goods line, mocking the disconnect from her original humanitarian branding.

    “One of the great con artists... one of the greats. She just wants a line of consumer goods. That’s all she wants.” —Charlie Kirk [53:12]

  • The roundtable compares failure to “land the prestige plane” with overpriced jam and designer honey.
  • Commentary on Markle’s rebranding as “conscientious founder” and why Americans tolerate reinvention and hustle.

    “She knows we don’t have a memory... We root for the huckster, the criminal sometimes.” —Charlie Kirk [62:26]

• Bill Belichick’s Viral Girlfriend Scandal

  • Sports segment: A clumsy CBS interview with the NFL legend and his much-younger partner is dissected. Megyn and guests reflect on public perception, media etiquette, and signs of family unease.

    “She runs the show. Every piece of Bill Belichick business goes through her... The age gap is huge, clearly. But she runs the show.” —Jordan Hudson [66:07]

  • Family drama, business decisions, and viral gossip—“I’m not even sure he knows that statement was written.” [75:32]

• Old School Relationship Advice: Who Should Pay?

  • Charlie Kirk argues firmly for men’s role as provider on first dates; Andrew Schulz agrees, noting the importance of leadership and traditional gender dynamics in dating.

    “I would be so humiliated if I split the check... That’s the greatest beta male humiliation.” —Andrew Schulz [76:03] “It’s not about the bill, it’s about the honor that you compromise.” —Andrew Schulz [76:47]

• Why Masculinity Matters, and Modern Dating Has Gone Awry

  • Charlie and Megyn agree that women overwhelmingly prefer men who lead, pay, and pursue.

    “Men succeed under pressure. So many young men are in a pressure-free environment... When you have the pressure to provide, something happens to men.” —Andrew Schulz [82:03] “For the man, it gives them purpose in their work... That’s so missing from modernity with these young men.” [83:04]

• The Importance of The Pursuit

  • The discussion continues with why men should actively pursue women and not be discouraged from traditional courtship roles.

    “Men want what they cannot have and will keep pursuing it if there’s a chance. Women—hold yourself to such a high standard that men want to elevate themselves to you.” —Andrew Schulz [86:19-87:26]

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Notable Quotes by Guests

• Matthew McConaughey:

  “If you want to know where the arrow is going, look at where it was shot from.” [02:14]
  “I did not know there’s a bridge called ‘big brother’ as a father... able to be a big brother, especially now that my kids are teens.” [07:45]
  “Sin comes from an archery term: ‘to miss the mark.’ I don’t want to quit taking chances to miss the mark.” [11:16]

• Tulsi Gabbard:

  “I will never rule out any opportunity to serve my country.” [35:32]
  “Signal has been recognized... as the preferred messaging app because it provides that end-to-end encryption.” [33:06]

• Charlie Kirk:

  “A man needs to demonstrate leadership and the capacity to provide early on.” [77:02]
  “We need men to be men again. We need to raise our sons to be men of honor, character, and leadership.” [79:24]

• Andrew Schulz:

  “If you split the check with [a woman], there probably will not be a second date.” [84:04]
  “Men want what they cannot have and will keep on pursuing it if they think there’s a chance.” [86:19]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00-23:00 – Matthew McConaughey on kids, career, parenting, and values
• 23:51-38:32 – Tulsi Gabbard on DNI, DEI, and Trump administration
• 39:47-51:18 – Tim Dillon on IVF, fertility, and parenting humor
• 52:44-62:45 – Satire of Meghan Markle and celebrity brand grifting
• 64:39-75:32 – Jordan Hudson/Dave Portnoy on Bill Belichick media fiasco
• 75:47-87:26 – Charlie Kirk and Andrew Schulz on modern dating, gender roles, and relationship wisdom

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Highlights & Memorable Moments

• McConaughey asking to “pull the last name off” his son’s audition tape for fairness. [03:41]
• Tulsi exposing how DEI infiltrated performance reviews in national security—and its rapid dismantling. [26:06]
• Tim Dillon’s deadpan about fertility clinics and IVF-induced stress, “It becomes a walk of shame.” [42:48]
• Megyn and Charlie’s unified call for men to reclaim “pursuer” and “provider” status in dating, illustrated by personal stories and dead-serious comedic delivery. [76:03–87:26]
• Satirical send-ups of Meghan Markle’s “prestige but affordable” consumer goods, revealing American fascination—and tolerance—for reinvention and hustle. [54:12–62:45]

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The episode is a blend of sharp cultural commentary, intimate storytelling, and traditionalist values, showcasing Megyn Kelly’s ability to facilitate both provocative debates and genuine moments of connection. This “greatest hits” style special is a crash course in what made The Megyn Kelly Show resonate in 2025: no agenda, no fear, and an unwavering grip on the pulse of American culture and politics.

Transcript

[Megyn Kelly]

Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show and Merry Christmas. Today we look back at the entire year of 2025 and bring you some of the most memorable interviews from the more than 200 episodes of the show. We had on Matthew McConaughey in September talking about raising kids and getting out of Hollywood to stay true to himself. Tulsi Gabbard, our director of national intelligence, came on for a special hour long sit down from the DNI headquarters. The comedians Andrew Schultz and Tim Dillon came by the studio for in person interviews that were hilarious and deep. Barstool sports founder Dave Portnoy joining me at Sirius XM headquarters in New York for an in depth conversation. And then there was Charlie Kirk at the end of this episode, a fun conversation from his final appearance on this show in August. It's hard to believe with some truly brilliant dating advice for young men and women. We are going to miss him so much. And we already do. It's just a sampling of this very busy year made successful thanks to you. Enjoy and we will see you next week for True Crime Christmas in the Lost Bus. It's. You have an interesting situation because you have your son, your son Levi is starring in it. 17 years old and I've actually. So I'm kind of drafting behind you on the childhood front because my kids are almost your kids ages, they're 15, 14 and 12. And now that they're getting to be like real humans, you know, like we're, they're on the cusp of adulthood. I've asked myself this question about nepotism, the Nepo baby. And you know, when you're the mother of a kid who's, you know, through no fault of their own, is born to you and you might be a public figure, it's hard to call it that, you know, as opposed to like, well, if my kid wanted my help getting into my industry, I'd probably give him an open door and then let him take it. And you were recently in this position. Can you tell us what happened?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And that nepotism questions are really good one, because I don't want my kids to ever feel entitled. At the same time, do I believe with people in my own life outside of my family that if you want to know where the arrow is going, look at where it was shot from. So there's real practicality to that. My son, as I pitch films that I'm into my family all the time. My son comes to me and he. I knew that there was a role as a young boy to play my son. He says, how old is that kid? I said, he actually, he's about 13, 14, which was Levi's age at the time. He goes, can I read for it? And I was like, kind of just straight faced him and walked off. I wanted to see how much he wanted it, if it was just a whim or when he comes up four more times over the next week, can I read for it? Can I read for it? Can I read for it? I said, okay, you want to read for it? Let me tell you what this acting thing's about. This is not just a little, hey, hey, what if, hey, I'm going to teach you something about this. You got to revere this craft and you got to work at it. So let's work on this character right now. We'll get a read. We did. I put it on camera. I saw on camera, like, oh, he's got presence. He can hold a frame. He's being honest in front of the camera. That's good instincts. Okay. I sent it to the casting director and I said, francine, I think this may be good enough for callback. What do you think? And she wrote back, said, I think it's good enough to send to the director. And I said, oh, okay. Will you do me a favor? Will you pull his last name off? Because I just don't want it if it preceding, you know, anyone's opinion to help or to help her. And she goes, yes, right.

[Megyn Kelly]

You don't want to send a message. I'm phoning in a favor here.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Hey, you know, kind of a. It's playing my son. Did he do me a favor? I would not make that call and I'm not going to make that call again. Open the door. But once you get in the door, son, daughter, you go handle. But I did open a door. I had access to get his read to the cast director. Well, the director sees it and says, that's the kid. She goes, well, that happens to be Matthew's son. He goes, even better. So he got the role, which makes, I'm very proud of. And he did it on his own merit, in his own talent.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, but now let me ask you about part two. Part two. So then he. So he stars in it. It's about to launch. And now I think at this point in the process, I haven't yet gotten there and none of my kids have said they want to go to media I'm just saying, like I would help them. I think I'd be living in, in terror of bad reviews of nasty Internet trolls. It's one thing when they come for us, who cares? We're used to it. But come for my kid, I mean, that's the kind of thing I might toss and turn over at night.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I have not tossed and turned. Maybe that's because I said, get ready for it. It's going to happen anyway. I said, I said your last name is going to get you praise in places maybe you didn't deserve it. It's also going to get you slammed in places you don't deserve it. So this is a rodeo if you want to get into this. I'm not saying you got to have thick skin, but you got to know what's important to you and you got to be ready to. Knives are going to come at you whether you deserve them or not. Fair has nothing to do with this. So if you love doing the craft enough and you're good at it, you stick your, put your head down and do that. And the rest of that you've got to have thick skin about because that's going to happen.

[Megyn Kelly]

Fair has nothing to do with this. That's a great life lesson. In the book you write in poems and prayers, you write, I wrote it down. Your number one job is helping your kids become who they are, not who you want them to be. Shoot it into my veins. It's exactly right. So many people don't get it, Matthew. They think the kids are a do over. And you've come to the same realization that Doug and I have, which is that DNA thing has a lot to do with how they show up a.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Lot more than I thought.

[Megyn Kelly]

And we just kind of fool ourselves that we're the big maestros about where it's going.

[Matthew McConaughey]

But that was the biggest surprise to me about having children. I thought it was 9010 environment, culture to DNA. And all of a sudden I was like, oh, it's closer to the opposite, right?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, totally. But that's, I mean, I would imagine especially in Hollywood, that's not a lesson everybody understands, you know, because it's a very hard charging ground on me to dump on Hollywood non stop though I'll be honest, my audience can't stand Hollywood, but it's a very hard charging group of people that have stories that have made it in a very competitive industry. Like they've made it to the top, so they've got to be somewhat cutthroat. But then you have a Kid. And everybody out there is probably facing a similar challenge, which is how do I maintain my kids competitive drive notwithstanding the fact that they've been born into a life of luxury and privilege, et cetera. Right. And like, I don't know, I think too many parents would default to I'll make him a killer as opposed to I will sit back and figure out, like let him figure out whether he wants to be a killer.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, you know how it is. I mean it's, it's. There's a lot of parents and you probably know him as well that for my money, I think become or want to be friends with their children when they need to be parents to them. And that friend to their children is sometimes a bit of that do over. Hey, maybe you can pick up where I left off and become a better version of me, which is that's not what a child's acting asking for early on, you know, do overs. I, I think that kids want us to be a parent to them early.

[Megyn Kelly]

Are you more traditional, dad? I mean, I know you're married to a Brazilian woman and I have a lot of Brazilian friends. I know they tend to like a more traditional man. And you're from Texas, so I kind of feel like you'd be more of a trad dad.

[Matthew McConaughey]

But look, I'm more, I go, I call it, and this is not a political term, but I call it conservative. Very liberal. Late. I want my kids to know how to block and tackle. Know your manners and graces and arithmetic and respect before we're going to go fly a freak flag and say whatever. So I think art emulates life. I want them to learn who they are and who they are not in life before they're going off into imaginations. Now you can create whoever it is you want to be, but let's have a foundation that we understand about how we act and how we treat ourselves and each other before we go off into, you know, la la, land of dreams and creation Again. How I grew up, learned to deal before I learned to dream. That's how that's sort of my look at it. I believe in consequences. I believe in discipline. I also believe that sometimes, as I'm learning right now, I did not know, Megan, that I always thought you went from father to later on a friend. And I did not know that there's a bridge in the middle there called big brother as a father and I'm able to be a big brother, especially now that my kids are teens and I can kind of put my hand on their back and maybe not judge him as quickly and go, I know what you're talking about. Let me tell you this story about when I was in high school. The other great thing about teenage kids is I don't have to edit my good stories as much to them anymore.

[Megyn Kelly]

Now, which period of your life are the best stories from?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Oh, I mean, I've got some starting back from when I was 8. I think the best stories were probably. Oh man, every decade had a great story. I would say I could pick them out all over the place. There's things, there's things, I look back at that, that I, that I did when I was younger that makes me happy to be here and live. Um, so. But there's been some great stories which I cataloged along the way. And mostly in Green Lights and somewhat in Poems and Prayers. Um, I think there's been some pretty good, good stories along the way.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, you don't seem risk averse. Both you've outlined it, you know, leaving Hollywood and saying, I'm just gonna do it differently, that was a huge risk. But your life philosophy does not, as reflected in Poems and Prayers, does not seem to favor safe spaces. It seems to favor take the big risks and don't, don't die in your bed saying, I never got hurt.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right. Well, that's a constant thing to measure, isn't it? Because especially after getting successful, having a family, things that I've built that I want to maintain that I'm not going to be foolish with. All right, at the same time, I don't want to get complacent and safe and go, okay, this is it. Everyone just huddle up, put you, you know, keep everything else out. I still want to take risk. And it's also, you know, something that I know women, I'm sure they do too, but men go through in middle age. You're at the bottom of the horseshoe. Like, are we taking the risk anymore? How do we still take a chance with the. Take the right kind of risk? And I still want to take the right kind of risk. But I don't want to be foolish with what I built. Because some of the stuff I built is non negotiably going to be on my table and in my life until I leave this one. You know, I have that passage in Poems and Prayers. I'm curious, you know.

[Andrew Schultz]

Is God happier.

[Matthew McConaughey]

If we take eight major risks in life and pull off seven of them? Or is he happy when we take a hundred risk and pull off eight? You know, it's like a little bit of that you don't want to come back money. You know what I mean? Right. I think he's saying if you did take enough risk, if you did, maybe that's the sin. You know what I mean?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And if you didn't, you know, to sin comes from an archery term. To miss the mark. That's what the word sin comes from, to miss the mark. We miss the mark all the time. And I don't want to quit taking the chances to miss the mark. I want to make. Want to hit the mark, but don't want to go out going, well, I never shot.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's even harder when you've reached your level of success because now you do have a lot to lose. So, you know, to keep challenging yourself, to keep making yourself go out there and take the big risks, it gets even scarier. Right. It's one thing when you're up and coming, it's like, what the hell? Or even when you're on the middle of a ladder. But when you're at the top of the ladder with all the things a lot of people would say, I'm going to stay. I'm going to hold.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, I'll hold.

[Megyn Kelly]

You don't see? You don't feel that way?

[Matthew McConaughey]

I hope not. Look, I've been told by many people that are close to me that my biggest asset is that I take risk. I also think that that's what I need to take more of, that I don't take enough so as it is.

[Megyn Kelly]

What could that look like now? What could that look like for Matthew McConaughey at 55.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Putting my cards on the table of who I am in this big movie that I'm living, that was action, was called the Day I Was Born and cuts called the Day I'm Leaving this life, the documentary that I'm living, that we're all living, putting it on and going. And it's what I'm doing a bit of now. And I still have a ways to go. I'm creating characters that I believe in and want to play in my own life and saying, what are you doing live? What's happening in. The camera's rolling. It's been rolling since the day you're born. What do you. Why do you have to go off to do someone else that something else, someone that something else wrote and is directing and is put it in cinematographer and then editing. Get rid of those filters. What's. What am I doing live. Who am I live in life? That's what I'm pressing myself on for the mainly for the last six years, more so than any time. And I hope I'll continue to press on myself to do that.

[Megyn Kelly]

That. Okay. That leads me to one of my favorite pieces in the book, which is on page 77, it's good man. And you write as follows. There's a difference between a good man and a nice guy. A good man stands for certain ideals and when those beliefs are contested, a good man is not a nice guy. No, I love that. Can you talk about how you came to that realization?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

So, you know, I. Part of it. I think the best example would be around that time I was doing nothing but the rom coms. You know, those were. Those are nice guy roles. They worked, I enjoyed them, I was getting paid well. They were easy to do. They felt like a Saturday the nice guy rolls. And nothing wrong with that. But I was ready to do more dramas in life. I was ready to stand up for things that I believed in, to stand against things I didn't in life. And I wanted to also find roles that I could do that in. That's when I started becoming more of a good man. And that does. That means you're going to run into conflicts. That means you're going to have to go against the masses at certain times. That means you're going to have to lead when you'd rather just sit back and watch. Sometimes that means you're going to have to run towards crisis instead of away from it. Sometimes that means you're not going to be proper. That means you're going to receive the blades in the back and it's okay if it's easier to. I know for me when my faith is stronger because I can slough those things off, because I'm going, no, no, no, I'm playing an immortal game here. Stay. That's the game I'm playing. Don't worry about the mortal game. Worry about the immortal game. So to have the courage to do that and what you stand for and don't stand for. And I always like to say this to people that are as we're finding ourselves, especially young people. It's harder to say, oh, who am I? And what I want to do. It's easier to go, well, let's define who I'm not and what I don't want to do and eliminate those people, places and things and habits that we have in our life that are not paying us back. Get rid of those and by sheer mathematics you'll have more things in front of us that do feed us. And hey, we all got Good wolves and bad wolves. In us, it's our choice to which wolf we want to feed. I'm trying to do my best to feed the good wolf, knowing that the bad wolf's still hungry.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, speaking of the wolves, the Wolf of Wall Street. How fun was that role? I've got to ask. This is an amazing role.

[Charlie Kirk]

Mr. Hannah, what can I bring for.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You on this glorious afternoon? Well, actor, here's the game plan. You're gonna bring us two absolute martinis. You know how I like them. Straight up. And then precisely 7 1/2 minutes after that, you're gonna bring us two more. Then two more after that every five minutes until one of us passes the fuck out. Excellent strategy, sir.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm good with water for now, though.

[Andrew Schultz]

Thank you.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's his first day on Wall Street. Give him time. First time to work with Scorsese. First time to work with Leonardo. I'm getting called in for a day's work. I'm a little nervous. I get there, really. But this character. Oh, yeah, I always. I still get nervous no matter what I'm doing. I get nervous every single day at work. Just the right amount I want. I want to. 1. I don't want to lose the butterflies yet. And I go in, and one of the things I do, not only on that show, but on all shows, is before I'll do a scene. I'll. I'll start banging my chest and find some sort of tune, and I'll hum it out and everything. And it's to relax myself. I'll do it for interviews sometimes. Relax stuff, get out of my head, find the rhythm, and then come into the scene. Well, I was doing that before the scene with Leonardo and Wolf of Wall Street. But then soon as we. Action, I'd stop and we do the scene. We do the scene four times. Got it. Funny. Perfect. Let's move on. Marty says, let's move on. It was Leonardo's idea. Leonardo raises hand. He goes, hang on a second. He goes, what's that thing you're doing before every take? And I told him what I just told you to relax and get my voice down.

[Andrew Schultz]

Everything.

[Matthew McConaughey]

He goes, what if. Did that in. In the scene? I was like, great. And the next take is the one you see in the movie.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, no way. Oh, that's. That's amazing. Well, that's a great thing about you. You truly do have range. I mean, like, it's not. It's not every guy who can do both the. How to lose a gu. 10 days. That scene in Wolf of Wall Street, Dallas Buyers Club and True Detective. Right. And speaking of True Detective, I gotta ask, who is your best friend in Hollywood and why is it Woody Harrelson?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Woody has been a great friend of mine for a long time. I mean anybody seems like a great guy. I get, I get younger. Anybody who spent time with Woody, he's one of the last wild men. A perpetual eight year old has no context of time. And I mean, he can frustrate the heck out of you, but he may show up three days late, he may show up barefoot three days late to your wedding, but you can't get mad at him because if you showed up a week late for his wedding, he don't care. So what do you always like to say? Hey, even if you're going to the Oscars, it's probably best to bring your bathing suit.

[Megyn Kelly]

I can't imagine, like the cast of characters that has been in and out of your life. I wondered though, like thinking about. Yes. Who do you hang out with? His friends? Anybody in Hollywood, like, are you friends with the Hollywood people or no, you're friends with the Texas people?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Well, I'm friends. I've got some. I've made some very good friends in Hollywood, I mean, but also some friends that I'm still friends with. People that I was friends with in college, I've made. I'm still friends with. My buddy Cole Hauser was just in town. He and I met on Days Confused. He's having a great time now, career wise with his role as Rip and Yellowstone. I know we're developing a project together. I still talk to Rory Cochran, who I met on Days Confused. And these are all friends of mine who are actors that I met in 1992. I've also met.

[Megyn Kelly]

Was also in Good Will Hunting, which is like, yeah, crazy that that was him.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, yeah. Young Cole Kenny, this red with the short red fro. So I made friends along the way and met some wonderful people in the, in Hollywood as well. That.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, but here's, here's where I wanted to take it. Is there anyone in Hollywood who you really admire, like, whose values you admire? I'm sure you admire the work of many people, but like, is there somebody who's living in a way that you think, yeah, that's hashtag goals right there.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, I always looked up to a.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Way Paul Newman led his life as a talented actor on screen. Married to Joanne all that time, the only marriage throughout the way he was able to be completely in the spotlight but also live his own life. I always admired that and like, you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Also then gave a bunch of time and money to charity. Like, didn't just rest on his laurels, gave over a hundred million dollars to charity thanks to.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Made that. That was a part of his.

[Andrew Schultz]

His.

[Matthew McConaughey]

His life that was on his proverbial desk every Monday morning in his life. He made that a part of his life, and that was his choice. You know, people always go, yeah, but you've succeeded. You have the responsibility. I don't. I don't. I think that's an easy place to go. Don't go to responsibility. If you got the chance, you have the choice and the ability. But choices give us a lot more ownership than saying, oh, it's his responsibility. I ought to do it. But he did. He did. So I've looked up to his life, you know, I learned something, though, from some people, and I won't say their names. They were elder men in the business. And this is when we first had Camilla and I first had children, and I said to them, they had children, and I said to them, hey, you know, you go on the road, you go on set for three months, five months, whatever, do you. Do you take your family and your kids with you? And they said this version of this, look, it's either their friends or their dad. And all of them that I talked to said they chose to let their kids stay back and have their lives in their schools and have be with their friends and not come to work with that. And all of them said, if I could do it again, I'd have made them come with and choose to be with dad. And so when Camilla and I had kids before she pulled the goalie, she said, if we're going to do this, one condition. You go, we go. And so it's been a real privilege for me as a father and a husband and the head of the family, that anytime I go to work, the family comes with. And that's been a major sacrifice for Camilla, but one that she would openly say, I. I reaps more rewards than it does deficits.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

And it is getting harder now. And you're seeing this with your kids getting older. It's getting harder because they're older. They have social sort of circles and rhythms and teams they're a part of. And I don't know what I'm going to do the next time. You know, this last one, I just did what I could to get it to shoot in my hometown of Austin because I didn't want to take them.

[Megyn Kelly]

Away to another kids. More of the kids need to go into the next.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Pass more the kids and shoot more down the road.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Tulsi Gabbard]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

That must have been a little fun, right? Just a little fun.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

I smiled.

[Megyn Kelly]

Of course you did. You're only human.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah, I am.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, yeah, that's over for her and.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

A number of other people. By the way, when you look at the 51, Mark Zaid, I wonder, former intelligence officials who signed that Hunter Biden disinformation letter and never apologized for it, never held themselves accountable for it. Yes. Mark Zayd, you had Letitia James and.

[Megyn Kelly]

Why did she even have one?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Well, some of them didn't have clearances, but they had access to classified information. And so we took away that access for those.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Alvin Bragg didn't have clearances. Yes. And there are more to come. And this is part of what we're doing in our investigative work as we go back and look for example at Crossfire Hurricane and how there were assistant US Attorneys who were knowingly using manufactured testimony that they would interview a witness, for example, and know that the witness was lying to them either because they set up the lie or they knew that the witness was lying, took that lie and used it as evidence to get a warrant under FISA to go and surveil on Americans, which is completely illegal. And so these are the kinds of things those types of people, those Assistant US Attorneys or those FBI agents that were involved in this kind of stuff. These are crimes that need to be prosecuted, and these people need to be held accountable.

[Megyn Kelly]

Will that happen?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

That will happen.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, I mean, it's called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. That's right. That's what it's supposed to be.

[Tim Dillon]

Yes.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

It's a good reminder.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. On the subject of saving money, you're doing some of that right here. Yes. And in part, it relates to enacting President Trump's DEI directives and pulling back on some of the nonsense that I know you and all the other agencies were spending money on. Not you, you, but the intel community. Can you speak to a little bit of, like, what you found? Because you're doing your own Doge, you're doing Digg.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

So that's under you. You didn't out. This is not one of the areas that Elon and Doge came into. You did it on your own. And I understand why. There's a lot of.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

They are helping us. They have incredible tools and a lot of lessons learned through the work that they've done. And so they are helping us and allowing us the opportunity to be able to apply those here. So we're not trying to reinvent the machine at all, and we're able to get after the things we're looking for.

[Megyn Kelly]

So how much is going out the door on DEI programs and hires and so on?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

So there was a DEI office that was immediately shut down, and that alone was a savings of around $20 million. But the thing that we just announced today, in fact, was the closure of this Office of Human Capital. Completely different part of the organization, and one that sounds like, okay, well, maybe this is like talent management. You're trying to go out and see, well, where is the best talent? And we're. Where are the gaps we need to fill? Which is what I thought. But it turns out that it was an office where the previous administration kind of hid a bunch of their DEI people, knowing that this action was going to be taken by President Trump. And there was a slush fund there that they would use to fund people millions of dollars to go to DEI conferences and talk to other DEI people. And so we shut that down at a savings of $150 million to today. But the thing that I think a lot of people would be surprised by, when people talk about DEI and you hear, you know, whether it's cnn, msnbc, they talk about DEI and they criticize the president for his action and the actions that we are all taking to get Rid of this claiming that we're against diversity and all of this other crap. When I came in here, I was able to talk with some of the people who work here. DEI was such a priority that it was baked into the incentive structure for people to advance professionally here. And I would imagine it was very similar across the federal government, where some employees told me that they were put in a position where they had to spend half of their time working on DEI initiatives in order for them to be able to put it on their annual evaluation and therefore be noted as, oh, you are more likely to get promoted if you are spending this significant amount of time on this diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives. And for me, I'm like, how in the world would you spend half of your time on that?

[Megyn Kelly]

Right.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

What were you creating? And I don't really know the answer to that, but I do know the answer to our national security on that question, because what that means is in the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, and we have people here who work from all across of these 18 intelligence elements being put in a position where they're told, if you want to get promoted, if you want to advance in your career, the priority is not, are you delivering the best quality intelligence assessments and analysis to best inform the President's most critical decisions? No, you will advance professionally. If you show that you're dedicating half of your day towards these DEI initiatives, you're in bias. Exactly. Exactly. And so when we look at why this was a priority for the President, this is not some superficial thing. There are national security implications to what the Biden administration was doing in centering almost their entire administration around DEI initiatives. You can take this towards any domestic agency. Look at the Department of Education. Shouldn't they be focused on educating our kids?

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, wasn't there a group, which intel agency was it that had the people talking about transgender surgeries and non binary. This.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

And this is the National Security Agency?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. There's sex groups, polyamory. I mean, on and on, all these.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

This is a great example. So there was someone who snuck into that chat that was not a part of that, was not an employee there. And they screenshotted what they saw and leaked it out on X. And again, this is a chat group that was created and administered by the nsa, one of the premier intelligence collection entities that we have, and it was obscene. It was obscene, yes. It was about all of those things. It was talking about sex toys and sex tricks for people who had gone through, you know, some kind of transgender surgery or during the workday. This is during the workday on an intelligence hosted work chat group. And the supervisors, obviously, as soon as I found out about it, I said, anybody who's involved with this is getting fired and getting their security clearance revoked. Which there were some movies like, oh, gosh, aren't you. Like, that seems extreme. Like, no, imagine you're in any office and you're having these kinds of sexually explicit conversations in the workplace. It is how. I don't care what your sexual sexual orientation or whatever your private choices are, this cannot be happening in the workplace, and it must not be happening in our premier intelligence agency that has people who have the highest clearances that anyone can hold. The plot thickens as many of the leaders feigned shock and surprise at this revelation. Well, this chat group had existed for over two years that this kind of stuff was happening in. And again, this is where transparency and accountability matter so much. As soon as I made that announcement that we will be investigating and holding these people accountable, I started hearing from people who are within the workforce saying, I work at the nsa. I filed a written report with evidence of what was going on in these chat groups a year ago, two years ago, when this thing first kicked up. And basically because of President Biden's DEI initiatives, they were essentially told, shut up. It's none of your business.

[Megyn Kelly]

Wow.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

And then there was the COVID up, and then there was the leak. So this is one example of many how we can see what the ramifications have been when we have in the last administration, one that is seemingly focused on everything but the most important things.

[Megyn Kelly]

Speaking of the last administration, one question for you on Signal Gate, as I heard you say this recently, Is this the first administration to use signal for confidential chats?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Absolutely not.

[Megyn Kelly]

When you actually saw something that told you this was in fact being used by the Biden administration, who are out there all over X and other social media, ripping everyone who was on that Signal gate thread to shreds.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

That is correct.

[Megyn Kelly]

So there's no question in your mind this was used during the Biden administration.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

By officials I know for certain that it was to include national security officials.

[Megyn Kelly]

Is there another way to communicate? Like, are we stuck with signals?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

So the main means of communication for all of us like this in this building, this entire building is a secure facility. That means that if you go outside of this lobby, there's a bunch of lockboxes over there where you gotta lock your phone in, you gotta lock your Apple Watch or your OURA ring, anything.

[Megyn Kelly]

Even your aura rings. Wow.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Anything that transmits a signal Gets locked up by everyone who works here and everyone who visits here. Before you leave this lobby, how are.

[Megyn Kelly]

You supposed to count your steps? Good luck.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Take the stairs the old fashioned way. Exactly. So the vast majority of the communication that happens is through secure telephones and secure computers and things that are built in to our work environments. However, I do have to leave the building at times and things have to keep moving and rolling. Same goes for those who work in the White House and those who work across the administration. So at times, for practical purposes, you have to be able to communicate on the go. Signal has been recognized by the federal government during the Biden administration, by the way, in December of 2024 as the preferred messaging app because it provides that end to end encryption that makes it, you know, nothing is completely secure, but it is the most secure option if you need to use it.

[Megyn Kelly]

You feel like it was unfair to Pete and Mike Walz. I mean, they took the brunt of it.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Yeah, I mean, you know, it shouldn't have happened. There are sensitive conversations that occur in these signal chats, but ultimately it was not at all what those who are opposing the President's policies and those in the media made it out to be. And I can tell you that there are some of the most vocal critics of that whole situation who also use signal and communicate things that they would not want released publicly as well.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not surprised.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Exactly.

[Megyn Kelly]

As I've listened to you over this hour, I've had one thought recur to me over and over and over and it is first female president. That is what I like. I look at you and I see it and I know they put you through the meat grinder the last time, but that was the other side. Now you've crossed over. And so I just wonder.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Thank you for not saying transition. People use that word. It's like, okay, that's one of those words that's like for a certain thing, it's a no.

[Megyn Kelly]

But notwithstanding how rough that was when you, when you ran for president the first time, have you ruled out ever doing it again? Could we potentially see a Tulsi 2028 try?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

I will never rule out any opportunity to serve my country. I would not have. If we had talked a year ago, the thought would not have crossed my mind that I would be here and that we would be having this conversation. My decisions in my life have always been made around how can I best be of service to God, how can I best be of service to our country? And that is what has led me here. I'm grateful for this Opportunity. And I will continue to chase those opportunities where I can make the most positive impact and be of service.

[Megyn Kelly]

And now you and I sit here having done something the two of us back in 2016 never would have thought we would have done, which was stood up on a stage and endorsed Donald Trump. Now you're working for him. I endorsed him too.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

It was so great. I was there.

[Megyn Kelly]

I remember.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

It was such a powerful, it was such a powerful moment and speech that you delivered because of your history with him.

[Megyn Kelly]

You were very generous to even mention that what you did for President Trump was huge. And seeing you up there and announcing like your partisan change you were with Trump, that was like the team of Rivals or the Marvel universe coming together.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

The Avengers.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, the Avengers. You're one of them. You're one of the most. And the, the gray streak is part of it.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

That just works.

[Megyn Kelly]

But I wonder if you do decide to do something, you know, in the future, running for president or individual executive leadership, what have you learned from him? What would you want to take away from the kind of leader Trump is?

[Tulsi Gabbard]

He's a very bold leader. And as we see, he's making decisions without care for what the media chirps about him or what his so called critics may say about him. And he's quite masterful at it, by the way. You know, he's been so effective at connecting with the American people in ways that I think a lot of the politicians or the so called political pundits here in Washington, D.C. never really understood and maybe a lot of them still don't. But it really comes from a place of care, his care for the American people. He doesn't need to do this. He didn't need to put himself through all this. He didn't need to put himself in a position where there were two assassination attempts on his life. And the kind of bold change that we're seeing happening now across the government, it's never happened like this under any other president. So I really respect his boldness and his courage in doing things that sometimes people don't understand or see what, how it's going to turn out.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

And I mean, no detail is spared.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

But so it's very personal. It's unusually personal for you. Yeah. Did you. Did you run it by her first?

[Tim Dillon]

So the, the thing was, is.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

At first, like, you know, this is the most like, male thing. Like, but it's. I assume that the reason why we couldn't is because it was her fault. Right. And I talk about it, the special where I'm like, she was really concerned it was her fault. And I was really concerned it was her fault. Like, we were all really concerned.

[Megyn Kelly]

Obviously. Her fault.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

Because like, men, we have this, like, confidence in our sperm that, like, there's no real reason why, but we just know. Right. Like, every time I've ever had sex with a girl, I was like, oh, my God, this is going to be like, what should we do? How do you know? Calling the next month. I know she's pregnant, guaranteed. Which I now know is a waste. And once we found out that her ovaries were perfect and my sperm was horrible, it. It actually made it a lot easier for me to talk about.

[Megyn Kelly]

Really?

[Tim Dillon]

Yeah. Because I think the reason why, like, anybody who has fertility issues, one, it's very isolating because you're so protective of the person that you love that you don't. A lot of women feel a lot of shame around this.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, true.

[Tim Dillon]

And at first I. I felt like, real shame. I was like, does God not want me to have a child? Like, I was like, I didn't understand it. Like, I think I'm like a pretty good person and I'm kind to people and I'm like, why is this happening? Like, what the is going on? And. Yeah, so I get that. And a lot of women, if they are struggling, they're just like, it. They feel like it's a. I don't feel very stigmatized. Right. And. But once she was perfect and I was up, I could get on stage and it was really cathartic to talk about it. And then once I started talking about it, I literally thought that I was like, this was, like, a one in, like, 10 million thing.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Dillon]

The second I started talking about, all my friends start telling me that they're doing ivf.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, wow.

[Tim Dillon]

And, like, all these people in the audience would hit me up afterwards. They'd be like, oh, yeah, you know, same thing happened. And I was like, what the. Is this, like, the last taboo subject?

[Megyn Kelly]

How did anybody ever get pregnant before ivf? Because everybody's doing it, dude.

[Tim Dillon]

It is, like. It's unbelievable. It's almost like I was like, does anybody really get abortion? Like, I'm like, it's so hard to get pregnant. Why is this an issue? Like. Like, how often do these athletes have unprotected sex that they have 20 kids? Like. Like, I couldn't believe it. It was unfathomable. So. But then it became, like, as brutal as it was, there was these kind of funny moments that being one of them, that.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That.

[Megyn Kelly]

The humility going into the room with the lady. We just talked to the audience, you know, Doug came in to say hi to Andrew in the commercial break, and we were bonding over our shared experience because he and I did IVF with our kids too. And Doug joked that after he had to donate the sample.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

First he said he was gonna wear, like, a red crushed velvet smoking jacket on his way in and on the way out, he was just gonna be like, that was fantastic. I was amazing.

[Tim Dillon]

Yeah. I was always thinking about, like, do I make noises in there? Like, how uncomfortable do I make it for the other guys at the clinic? Like, just screaming random things.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Tim Dillon]

Sesame Street. Just something crazy. But, yeah, it's like, oh, it was crazy.

[Megyn Kelly]

I was like, a walk of shame. When you're walking by all the other guys there, everybody's there. Oh, God. I know what you're about to do.

[Tim Dillon]

It's so humbling. You're just sitting in this room. Like, all of you are in there.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're like, so why did they make you go in to give the sperm sample? Didn't think. Couldn't they?

[Tim Dillon]

I did it from home once.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay.

[Matthew McConaughey]

The whole.

[Tim Dillon]

I don't even. I haven't even put, like, a lot of the stuff in it. But, like, the whole journey was brutal. So the first one I did from home, which was like, I'm in the room, my wife, like, hands me the thing. Like, it's like, homework. And she's like, okay, I'll give you 30 minutes. You go do Your thing. I'm gonna go outside or I'm gonna do the dishes. So, like, I hear her doing the dishes in the background where I'm, like, being mandated to masturbate. And I'm like, on our bed. Like, I don't think I've ever masturbated on a bed. Like, I'm just on our bed, and the bed is made perfectly. Like, everything is, like, set up. And I remember at one point, like, I'm just like, I don't know. This is, like, so weird. And I, like, looked up and the TV was off, so it was just a black screen. So it's a perfect mirror of.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Oh, no.

[Tim Dillon]

And I was just like, this is the saddest day of my life. I'm sitting Indian style on my bed, try to make a sample.

[Megyn Kelly]

This cup.

[Tim Dillon]

We send that sample in, it comes back, and it's like, it's. It's not good. And they're like. Not only are they not swimming, they're, like, shaped weird. And I was like. I was, like, a little defensive, so I was like, well, could that be from, like, the speed that they hit the cup? Like, maybe, you know, it's the blunt force trauma kind of warped them.

[Megyn Kelly]

The flow is just too strong.

[Tim Dillon]

It was too strong. That's what. That's what it is. And they're like, no, that's definitely not it. And I was like, okay. And they go. They go, well, why don't you do this for, like, a couple of months? Wear baggy underwear. Ice your balls every single day.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

Yeah.

[Andrew Schultz]

Whoa.

[Tim Dillon]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

Yeah. I guess that's a big thing. Don't drink anymore, don't smoke anymore, and take these pills, and then we'll try it again in, like, a month or two. And I did that, and we tried it again, and it got worse.

[Andrew Schultz]

No.

[Megyn Kelly]

What?

[Tim Dillon]

And I was like, why do you think that is? And the doctor's like, we've never seen this before.

[Megyn Kelly]

There's some pride in that. It's got to be a little bit.

[Tim Dillon]

Records.

[Megyn Kelly]

I told a story one time when Dave Rubin was on, but Doug had the funniest experience there, where they make you ejaculate, like, 24 hours before the real sample. That's going to be like, your future, kid. Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

They want you to clean the house.

[Tim Dillon]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's like, I can't remember if it's 24 or 48 hours.

[Tim Dillon]

48 hours before. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, so. But they want it to be 48.

[Tim Dillon]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

And they don't really want it to be 46 or 44.

[Tim Dillon]

Because you need the amount of time to build up the new batch.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. So, like, timing does matter. It just so happened that on one of ours, we were visiting my. My nana, who was literally, like, 90 at the time, and we were playing dominoes, and I was like, doug, it's time. He was like, what? I'm like, you got to go in there right now. My poor husband. And, you know, it's like one of these older person's homes where, like, there's five inches between the bottom of the door and the end of ground. Can hear every piece of conversation. Dominoes. Like, you're palming the double five, you know? And Doug said so.

[Charlie Kirk]

Is he.

[Megyn Kelly]

Horrible? Poor Doug.

[Tim Dillon]

This is the thing about this Got to do.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It's the.

[Tim Dillon]

The journey is brutal when you're in. It is the hardest thing that you'll go through in your life. Sorry. Definitely the hardest thing we went through, and. But after the fact, it is hysterical.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Tim Dillon]

Like, there's.

[Megyn Kelly]

Can't believe what you've been through.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

And, like, there are so many of these things that are so funn. And the beautiful thing about having a child is you get this, like, amnesia.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

For what you went through to get there. And I think that's actually kind of, like, built into our DNA, so we keep making them.

[Megyn Kelly]

I totally agree. You know, like, Sam, women have been saying that for eons because of the pain of labor, and it's so, you know, devastating, and then you forget all about it. I never had labor because I had three C sections, but my friends tell me it's extremely painful.

[Tim Dillon]

Oh, my. Emma was in there for 24 hours, and then she had the C section because the. The baby's heart rate dropped.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, God, that's scary. Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

The whole thing is terrible. When you were doing the shots before to prepare for the ivf, like, did you have any fun mood swings or anything?

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, yeah. I was actually fine. Did not have weird mood swings. But it was very funny because Doug does not. Like, his mom got this terrible cut in her leg, and it was so brutal. And Doug was right there. He bandaged it up. He put the medicine on. I was like, yeah, I can't take that kind of injury. But you pull out a needle, and Doug is one of those, like, oh.

[Matthew McConaughey]

So he.

[Megyn Kelly]

So he couldn't take shots, but he had to in the beginning, as it turned out, he didn't have to, but we thought he did.

[Tim Dillon]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Because in the beginning, they really make it up into a thing. Like, you got to Mix the compound, and it's like, kind of back in a hard spot to reach. You got to ice the area. Oh, my God. Like, our future family depends on this.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

And Doug was in a hot, like, a cold sweat. And the superintendent of our building at the time, his name was Lance. And they're like, it's very important that your wife have a partner that helps with. And Doug's like, this is gonna be very hard for Lance.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

But he did it.

[Charlie Kirk]

He did it.

[Megyn Kelly]

He got it through. But honestly, by the third child, you know, he. Doug was no part of it. I was like, I need no ice. I'm good. Boom, we're done. Off to the race.

[Tim Dillon]

It is crazy that they make you mix it at home. So anybody who's not familiar, they give you these two, I guess, hormonal compounds, and you have to put them together.

[Megyn Kelly]

In the syringe in just the right proportions.

[Tim Dillon]

I'm like, why isn't this done at the lab? And then we just hit it. Like, you don't have to make the Kit Kat.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right.

[Tim Dillon]

Like, make the bar and then send it to me. And I remember, like, watching my wife do these things, making sure it's the right amount. You got to push a little out so no air gets in there.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right, Right. So you don't give yourself an air bubble, like, life or death, literally.

[Tim Dillon]

And she's like, did I push too much out? Will I not get it?

[Charlie Kirk]

Is this.

[Tim Dillon]

But there. Yeah, there is. I mean, Emma would get, like. It would really get her going.

[Megyn Kelly]

She get angry or just overly emotional?

[Charlie Kirk]

Oh, angry.

[Tim Dillon]

Like, but we didn't know that that was the cause. So, like, I remember we got into it at a Japanese restaurant. You don't realize how quiet those restaurants are until you're having, like, a loud blow up. Like, and, you know, the only thing interrupting the blow up because everybody is already quite a Japanese restaurant. And then once you have, like, a verbal altercation, they're really quiet.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, I love when somebody has a fight and I'm nearby.

[Tim Dillon]

Oh, my God.

[Megyn Kelly]

Doug and I, like, he'll start talking. I'll be like, be quiet. This is too important.

[Tim Dillon]

We gotta lock in. Everybody was locked in. They're just slurping udon and watching us. And the only thing that would interrupt it is, like, when a new person would walk in and, you know, the whole restaurant has to go. Emma would feel like they were interrupting our argument.

[Andrew Schultz]

So.

[Tim Dillon]

So we're fighting hasimase. Emma goes, are you. You kidding me? And then back to yelling at me. It was just Amazing.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, weren't you. So you weren't that guy who was like, she's going through a lot. These are just her emotions. I'm just gonna let. I'm gonna let everything slide. I'm not gonna get mad about anything.

[Tim Dillon]

We didn't know that it was the case. So we didn't know until literally that night. I go, hey, did we do the shot? We did the shot today, right? And she goes, oh, we're walking down. We were on Kenmare Street.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's when you put it together that she's hormonal.

[Charlie Kirk]

And then.

[Tim Dillon]

And then she was also like, oh, I guess I'm like really reactive. Then from then on, we stopped going to Japanese restaurants.

[Megyn Kelly]

And then how about after she had the baby? Did she have like. Because I. You're sleep deprived. You're very hormonal.

[Tim Dillon]

It's the most insane thing if, if you're. Did you breastfeed?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

Okay. That is the. I think that this is. I think that is the most difficult part of child rearing is the, the. If you are breastfeeding full time, like, meaning every two hours.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Tim Dillon]

That is insane.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, it's a lot.

[Tim Dillon]

That is insane. Every two hours. So you're waking up. I don't think a lot of people know this. You're waking up every two hours in the night. You don't get more than an hour of sleep at a time.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's truly like a, like an astronaut training situation. Yeah. No, it's brutal. But then, then lets up a little.

[Tim Dillon]

When it lets up. This is beautiful bonding experience that you have with your child. And like, it's something even now, like, Emma's still breastfeeding and it's just this thing that she's like, she doesn't even want to let go of it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Well, then you get to like the six month mark where the baby can start having like smaller, like solid foods and they're still having breast milk. And you're at the point now where like, you're. You're producing the more. More milk than ever. And yet the baby's somewhat getting a little independent. Yep. And the weight comes shredding off. That's the best moment where you're like, I'm making tons of milk. All these calories are coming off for free.

[Jordan Hudson]

Oh.

[Tim Dillon]

Because your body is burning calories.

[Megyn Kelly]

But your, your baby doesn't need as much milk as from you.

[Tim Dillon]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

As he needed at five months because now he's starting to eat food. But your body doesn't know that. So still burning like 800 calories a day. You're like, oh my God, I have a waste again. There's a normal ass. Thank you, sweet baby. You know about fomo, right? Fear of missing out. But listen up. Don't miss out on protecting your future. For around the same price per month as one of your streaming services, you can break the FOMO cycle and secure your and your family's future by finding life [e-mail] SelectQuote takes the guesswork out of finding the right life insurance policy. You don't have to sort through dozens of confusing options on your own. Instead, one of their licensed agents will find the right policy at the right price for you. Comparing plans from trusted top rated insurance companies to find a policy that fits your health, your lifestyle and your budget. And they work for you for free. Life insurance is never cheaper than it is today. Get the right life insurance for you for less and save more than [e-mail] Megan more than 50% off now on term life [e-mail] Megan today to get started. I hear we have something in common and that is our mutual love for Meghan Markle.

[Tim Dillon]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

I hear you're ready to endorse her for president.

[Charlie Kirk]

I like her now. I've come around on her because I, since I'm a little kid, love con artists. I think they're great. I think they're fun. They're an important part of America and the tapestry of our country. They to me, exude a kind of effortless humor. They're very funny. And I find her to be a great con artist. One of the great.

[Megyn Kelly]

One of the great time.

[Charlie Kirk]

One of the greats. You know, this is someone who came to prominence marrying into the royal family, claiming they were racist, claiming she wanted to dedicate herself to uplifting young women around the world and is now selling jam at Target.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's beautiful. She moved to the richest and whitest area of the country. Yes. You know.

[Megyn Kelly]

Absolutely.

[Charlie Kirk]

And makes. Honey, there's nothing better than that. From where she started to where she is now. And that's what I think a lot of it is. I think a lot of people that claim to be really evolved people who really want to help other people are just trying. She just wants a line of consumer goods.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's all she wants.

[Megyn Kelly]

She. We actually give it to her. We just looked this up. So she. There was a sound bite of her saying she really wanted her merchant that she's selling to to be prestige.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not prestigious. You want it to be Prestige. Yeah, but at, like, a price point everyone can afford.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

So I, we looked it up. She's got a raspberry spread under the as ever label. Raspberry spread. You can get it for $14, or you can get it at Walmart under the smuckers label for $3.47.

[Tim Dillon]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Herbal Lemon ginger tea, as ever, will charge you $12. Or you can get from Yogi for $4.46. Shortbread cookie mix, as ever, will charge you $14. My better batch, which is high end, 7.99.

[Jordan Hudson]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Then there's wildflower honey with honeycomb, as ever, $28. Amazon, $11.

[Jordan Hudson]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

And then there's crepe mix, which you can get from her for 14 bucks, or you can get it from New hope mills for $5. So you tell me whether this person has actually landed the plane.

[Tim Dillon]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

On prestige, but totally affordable.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, what's brilliant about what she's doing is she knows people want to spend money, and spending money makes them feel like they're getting something that's better, even though it might not necessarily be true. And I think it's brilliant. I, I. You could tell when you watch the show, she thinks people out just, we're all animals, and that's her view. She just thinks we're all monsters and, and we're all just kind of pigs in the mud and that she's helping us.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

With jam.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

And honey. It's also very weirdly British, isn't it?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Well, there's a flower. Sprinkles. Isn't it her garden?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's kind of oddly British for somebody who went over there and realized it was just a racist, horrible place. Just a lot of jam and tea and honey.

[Megyn Kelly]

And why is she using all the, like, the royal crown on her stationary? I thought she hated being a royal. I thought, I thought she wanted to eschew the royal life and come back to America.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, it seems. It's just very interesting. And seeing it all happen in real time fills me with just. It fills me with a wreckage, like a. I recognize how, how much this was the plan the whole time. And you got to, it's got. You got to give your hats off to her.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's hard to enhance your brand that quickly, like, get your name out there in a.

[Charlie Kirk]

No one needs honey.

[Megyn Kelly]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

Right now.

[Megyn Kelly]

No.

[Charlie Kirk]

No one needs jam. There's not one systemic racist problem that she's. That, like, no one needs jam. There's not one person wrongly accused of something or whatever, doesn't have money. For a lawyer that's looking for elderberries or wildflowers or whatever the hell she's talking about. The only people that are concerned with this stuff are people like. She lives in an area, Montecito, that's so wealthy, they're not even on earth anymore. And it's a beautiful area. It's great area. But they float around and they have tea and they pick flowers. They live in a fairy tale.

[Megyn Kelly]

She makes sun tea. Yes. And we all have time to do.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes. You just. They kind of sit around in their backyards and they enjoy this, and they smell lavender and stuff like that.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. And it's not how you're living in LA right now.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not how we're living. No, we're. We're in. We're sitting by our doors with guns.

[Andrew Schultz]

Normal people.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, we're sitting by the door with a gun, waiting for someone to come in. That's how we're living.

[Megyn Kelly]

And check the sun tea.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one's making.

[Megyn Kelly]

If.

[Charlie Kirk]

If you have honey in your house, it's. You're using it as a weapon.

[Megyn Kelly]

You don't have a local beekeeper?

[Charlie Kirk]

No, there's no local beekeeper. There's no gardens.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, I have a treat for you because in addition to her new Netflix show.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

She has launched yet another podcast.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank God.

[Megyn Kelly]

This one is about.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank God.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. This one is about founders. What's. How did she say?

[Charlie Kirk]

Is it all female founders?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, please. I think it's all female founders.

[Charlie Kirk]

Female founders. Female founders. Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Professions of a female founder.

[Charlie Kirk]

God, what are they thinking about, these female founders?

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, here you go.

[Charlie Kirk]

What are they doing?

[Megyn Kelly]

She starts with herself because she now considers herself. She's the founder.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's hard to find when you are married to a prince. How do you start a business?

[Megyn Kelly]

You see who.

[Charlie Kirk]

That's a real question. Because the struggle she had to go through being married to a prince and being one of the most famous people in the world. How do you start a business when you're rich and famous?

[Megyn Kelly]

Your castle's too small.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's hard.

[Megyn Kelly]

Your. Your grandmother, your. Your spouse's grandmother doesn't seem to really like you. And dies.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, like, your one greatest connection is now out.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank God. Because I want to know how this all happened, and I want to get into the mind of the female founder.

[Megyn Kelly]

Here we go. Here's. Here's this founder discussing, I think.

[Charlie Kirk]

Remember when she pretended to like poor people? That lasted a few weeks.

[Megyn Kelly]

Sex workers. I remember that with her inspo messages. Here she is on her new podcast. Let's be honest, launching a business, it can be so overwhelming. Even with the best of teams, it'll keep you up at night. For example, a month ago, I was absolutely consumed with packaging boxes. That's all I could think about. And I would sit there doing the unboxing in my head. Is there tissue paper? What about the packing peanuts? But they're biodegradable. And where does the sticker go? And hold on. And what size of the box is gonna be? And no, that's not gonna fit all the skus. Oh, my gosh. And then someone says, but you don't wanna brand the outside of the box because a porch pirate had never heard that before. What's a porch pirate? And then I'm sitting there and I'm like, does any of this actually matter? Of course it matters. It matters at the beginning. But how much does it matter? Oh, my God.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, it's. Well, she's also. It's, you know, she's kept up at night because she's, you know, half the staff quit.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right.

[Charlie Kirk]

They quit.

[Megyn Kelly]

On any given day.

[Charlie Kirk]

On any given day, the staff will quit because she just, you know, launches into a tirade and for whatever reason, they feel unsafe.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's been accused multiple times of being a bullying abuser.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, she's throwing honey at people's heads and stuff. So she's kept up at night wondering about what lawsuits, who's coming for when because of the abusive behavior towards the staff.

[Megyn Kelly]

Didn't that sound bite just hit so many of the leftist boxes? Like, are they biodegradable?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

And what does the packaging.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, what I like about her, I actually, I've gone the other way now because now that she's coming out as a monster, I like, Like, I'm actually on board now. I'm into it. Because now, by the way, she's no longer even. There's no longer even an attempt. It's such a thinly veiled attempt.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

To be this conscientious person. You know, she's really just saying, like, I'm a founder.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

I'm a founder and I'm a big business tycoon. And it's tough for me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Can I tell you, she's not the only extremely rich woman.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Who, you know, in her case, that's questionable. But in a lot of these other women's cases, they. Their husbands are multi millionaires or billionaires. And then the women, like, open a charity.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Or like, give their money to Somebody, and then they're like, I'm an entrepreneur. I. I'm an entrepreneur.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's like, okay, I'm a founder.

[Megyn Kelly]

Look, I. I appreciate I've connected people with chance.

[Tulsi Gabbard]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, yeah, I see that your husband made billions of dollars.

[Jordan Hudson]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

The fact that you spent some of it. Right. Doesn't make you a founder.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, it's also. She never cared. You know, it was all about. In the beginning, it was all about, like, unwinding the systems of oppression.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Kirk]

They remember.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's done. Didn't you know that? You saw that.

[Charlie Kirk]

Remember that? It was like she would go to, like, a third world country and there'd be a bunch of kids dancing and she'd take a photo with them. Now it seems much more about, like, she's looking at, like, Gwyneth Paltrow, what Gwyneth Paltrow did with her store.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

GOOP or whatever.

[Megyn Kelly]

I think it's goop.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. And I think she's looking at that, going, that's what she wants to be. She wants to be Martha Stewart.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Although what I found out after the fact was she launched her show with showing you how to make this one recipe. It's like one pot pasta. You make it on the stove. And then everybody flooded Twitter with the fact that that apparently is a Martha Stewart recipe. Sure. That's apparently very well known in Martha Stewart.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

So even the inaugural episode is cheating off of somebody else's.

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, I mean, you gotta hand it to her. She knows that we don't have a memory.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

The country doesn't have a memory. We have a fatally short memory. And we're kind of tolerant of however people want to reintroduce themselves in the moment.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

So she understands America. I didn't know better than I do. Or maybe you do, because she gets it. We love the huckster. We root for the huckster.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

We root for kind of the criminal sometimes. And she's kind of assuming that role of going, this is who I am today.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Jordan Hudson]

You ripped him.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay. I mean, I thought it was elder abuse. I like, honestly, what I saw there was Dr. Jill had Dr. Jill vibes, this overly aggressive younger partner who's in this, like, apparently he looked infirm to me. The way he was answering those questions like, man, who's being taken advantage of. And all I could think was his family needs to do an intervention and get this woman off of his back. But can you set the stage for us on like, what, what's happening with this guy?

[Jordan Hudson]

I'll start by saying I am a die hard New England Patriots fan.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, you're from Boston.

[Jordan Hudson]

Die hard. I love Bill Belichick. He's like, my guy is brough so many championships. I know him personally. He lives on Nantucket. I live on Nantucket. I've met Jordan. So it's a very awkward thing to see. I also watch that show CBS Sunday Morning with the interview. It's like my feel good show. I just like it. I like nature, there's some politics, whatever, but for the most part, that is a Drink your coffee, eat your bagel, feel good show. So I was not expecting this interview. I was squirming. I don't know what to expect. I don't know what to think about. Certainly was awkward. I've heard people say, you know, is she taking advantage of him? Well, he's taking advantage of her. He's sleeping with a. A very attractive young girl, 50 years younger. I don't know why she's so involved. Like, I really don't. I've met her, she's nice enough. It. She's running the whole show. I've known that a couple months ago.

[Megyn Kelly]

How so?

[Andrew Schultz]

Like she.

[Jordan Hudson]

Every, every piece of Bill Belichick business goes through her. Like she is basically let. She would act like if that was maybe not in a romantic relationship and that's his PR manager or like an agent.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah.

[Jordan Hudson]

Nobody's blinking at that. Like that happens, I'm sure a lot with celebrity. We're not going to talk about it now. You combine it with Bill Belichick who's gruff with the media and generally always handles himself. It's just a very awkward situation. The age gap is huge, clearly. But she runs the show. There's rum. Hard Knocks for HBO was supposed to do North Carolina. She shut that down.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's where he's the coach now.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yeah, he's the coach there. So it's just, it's such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media savvy but was always just straight forward, no time for the media, now having his life run by a 25 year old. It certainly is eye opening for a guy like me. I also know I'm going to run into probably them in Nantucket and not only carrying my watermelon out of Stop and Shop and I don't want it to be an awkward conversation on me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Bring it all in me.

[Jordan Hudson]

But it went super viral. I mean, it's all anybody's talking about. It's all any. Because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan, Patriot fan, everybody thought of Bill Belichick.

[Megyn Kelly]

So explain that to me because we watched the. I come into this like out of left field. I don't. I know who he is. Of course. Even I know who Bill Belichick is.

[Jordan Hudson]

The greatest coach of all time.

[Megyn Kelly]

But I don't follow his. You know, I didn't, I didn't know about the girlfriend and all that. To me, he looked out of it like he seemed confused. But I've never ever seen.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yeah, I've seen a lot of people. Yeah, he's wearing a holy sweatshirt. That's what he does. Like that. That is his look.

[Megyn Kelly]

Does he talk like that? Like does he look confused? Generally?

[Jordan Hudson]

He, generally if he doesn't want to answer a question, he grumbles and he says I'm not going to answer that. He's famous for not answering questions. He's never media savvy. Him going on a book tour, which is what he was doing, seems like the last thing he would ever do in a million years. If she wasn't there, I would anticipate him just being like, I'm not going to answer it. He's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest and he just doesn't care for the media or what they think. The thing that he said that was the most accurate is probably like, I don't care what people think about me. And clearly he doesn't. But I've never seen him defer to anybody like that.

[Matthew McConaughey]

That is so shocking.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yeah, like if someone else is speaking for him, that never happens. He speaks for himself loudly through his actions, clearly and is always like a general in, in the commander of the room really. So to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is shocking.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Any.

[Megyn Kelly]

Most of the audience has probably seen the clip by now, but just in case they haven't, let's play it for them. Let's play the one where she interrupts. This is Bill Belichick on CBS this Morning with anchor Tony dokapoel and his 24 year old girlfriend who's 49 years younger than he is, interrupting the interview. Watch the other change For Belichick is.

[Jordan Hudson]

24 year old Jordan Hudson, his creative.

[Megyn Kelly]

Muse as he writes in his book. Make sure that that's the.

[Charlie Kirk]

Jordan was a constant presence during our interview.

[Matthew McConaughey]

You have Jordan right over there.

[Megyn Kelly]

Everybody in the world seems to be following this relationship.

[Tim Dillon]

They've got an opinion about your private life.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's got nothing to do with them.

[Tim Dillon]

But they're invested in it. How do you deal with that?

[Matthew McConaughey]

Never been too worried about what everybody else thinks. Just try to do what I feel like is best for me and what's right.

[Megyn Kelly]

How did you guys meet?

[Jordan Hudson]

That's the truth.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not talking about this, this.

[Matthew McConaughey]

No, no.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's a topic neither one of them.

[Tim Dillon]

Is comfortable commenting on.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, so now she said he's how did you meet? And she interjects not commenting about this. And there are reports that she actually interjected multiple times. CBS only chose to show the one just to give the audience a, a true sense of what, how this thing.

[Jordan Hudson]

And it's about the book. And, and to CBS's defense, she, that quote that he, she Is the museum is in the book.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's in the book. Yeah, exactly. So now this fight started unfolding online. This is via the Daily Mail involving Belichick's daughter in law. She's married to his son and her name is Jennifer. She's married to his son, Steve Belichick. Some people were defending Jordan, the girlfriend. For example. Somebody posted, oh, former New England Patriots star Julian Edelman saw that. You know him.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yep.

[Megyn Kelly]

Stuck up for her, saying she was merely acting how any PR person would. Comedian Nikki Glaser also defended Hudson saying 100% she's acting as his publicist. Publicists do this during interviews. People are out for blood. And first of all, I'll tell you what Jennifer, the daughter in law said, but I have done countless interviews. Countless. I've both given as the subject of them and done, conducted literally has this. Never. I've never seen this happen. Never. The PR people will come to you before the interview and they will beg you not to cover or ask after.

[Jordan Hudson]

For it to be cut.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, exactly. That's their job as a journalist. And Tony Dokapoel is a journalist. You would say, thank you for your input. That's it. You would never make a promise ever. It's literally considered unethical to say, I won't ask about that. You know, at most I've ever heard somebody say is we can't make you any promises but you know, we're not that interested in that subject. Like a wink in an eye. But never, never has a PR person ever interviewed interjected into, into an.

[Matthew McConaughey]

In the middle of it.

[Jordan Hudson]

No people asking, no. If someone doesn't want to talk about it, we generally want. Because people generally want to talk about what you are asking not to talk about. So we won't do it. It, it's strange. I, I don't agree with that. It, it was different rules.

[Megyn Kelly]

If it's like a host, you know what I mean? If you're sitting to somebody who doesn't consider themselves a journalist, very different. And by the way, this is how talk shows get away with it all the time. I've been asked to go on a bunch of talk shows, including Tamron Halls like five years ago and her executive producer said, we'll give you all the questions in advance. I'm like, I'm not doing that. I felt like I don't want that.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Yeah, right.

[Megyn Kelly]

So it's. She got. Got away with it because they consider that a talk show. But she's not, I guess calling herself a journalist anymore at least wasn't for that show. Okay. So then Jennifer Belichick's daughter in law, dying to hear this, weighs in and says publicists act in a professional matter and do not storm on. Storm offset delaying an interview.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yeah. So I know them too. This is like. And that probably tells you everything you need to know about how the family. And that's natural. There's a story that came out in the New York Post, I think yesterday that she accumulated like $10 million of real estate very quickly. So I'm sure the family, based on that quote, is a little like, what is going on here? And it's just this is a guy that is not a pushover. He has built his reputation on being like a gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular and detail oriented. It's just very strange to see he's.

[Megyn Kelly]

The guy Tim Walsh was trying to convince us he was. No jazz hands.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yeah.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Football.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jordan Hudson]

Even he was the guy, man. Yeah. He was trying to I think be more like a gronk guy, but who knows?

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, there's more. So he. You know about this because I saw you commented on it. So Bill Belichick posted a statement on the UNC University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill is where he coaches, right? Chapel Hill, Yep. And he, he wrote as follows. I agreed to speak with CBS Sunday Morning to promote my new book, the Art of Winning. Prior to the interview, I clearly communicated with my publicist. So he's not even saying he told Tony Dokapoel or the CBS publicist. I clearly communicated with my publicist at Simon and Schuster that any promotional interviews I participated in would agree to focus solely on the contents of the book. Unfortunately, that expectation was not honored. During the interview. I was surprised when unrelated topics were introduced. And I repeatedly expressed to the reporter Tony Dokapoel and the producers that I preferred to keep the conversation centered on the book. After this occurred several times, Jordan, with whom I share both the personal and professional relationship, stepped in to reiterate that point and help refocus the discussion. She was not deflecting any specific question or topic. I'm sorry, Bill, but she was. But was simply doing her job to ensure the interview stayed on track. Some of the clips made it appear as though we were avoiding the question of how we met. But we've been open about the fact that Jordan I met on a flight to Palm beach in 2021 and goes on for them saying these are just selectedly selectively edited clips suggested a false narrative that Jordan was attempting to control the conversation, which is simply not true.

[Jordan Hudson]

Yeah, I'm like white knuckling the table. In my years following Bill Belichick, I would say my knowledge of him. There's roughly 0% chance he wrote that. He just, he just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks about him. So to go write that, that. My guess would be Jordan wrote that. The fact it is her North Carolina website is insane, right? It's just insane. It's shocking. Again, it's. I'm speaking to all Patriot fans, Boston people. This guy, like, if you could have predicted this, people would say you're living in a bizarro world. It's just so strange in this long email. Crazy. The public statement, crazy. But I'm not even sure he knows that was written.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're right.

[Jordan Hudson]

Like, he may not.

[Megyn Kelly]

I saw a clip of you online. I don't even know the podcast. Forgive me. You'll tell us what it is, but I loved it so much. I wanted you to say it here and expand on it. Here it is. Watch.

[Andrew Schultz]

Women want to be able. They want to be taken care of. I know this is, like, super provocative, but, like, deep down, they want a man to be able to provide for them financially.

[Tim Dillon]

Should a man pay on the first.

[Andrew Schultz]

Date a hundred percent. Like, what kind of a wuss beta male is splitting the check? But, like, who are you? It's like, I'm just. Sorry, it's.

[Megyn Kelly]

So what's in.

[Andrew Schultz]

I would go into debt and, like, scrub dishes before a woman. I split the check quite a lot. So I'm sorry. I don't mean to offend you. You guys are great. That's incomprehensible to me. I think that's, to me, I thought.

[Tim Dillon]

It was a great financial decision. I've just.

[Andrew Schultz]

Okay, so from your prism, I totally get that. And, like, you have really good financial discipline. I'm sorry. Like, I, I, I would be so humiliated if I, I, I mean, I find that to be, like, the greatest beta male. Like, humiliation.

[Megyn Kelly]

Save money.

[Andrew Schultz]

No, no. To, like, the idea that a woman that you're trying to court now, if it's like a friend thing or as.

[Megyn Kelly]

A first date, you don't even know.

[Andrew Schultz]

If she does, like, matter quality. I'm sorry.

[Matthew McConaughey]

I see.

[Andrew Schultz]

By the way, that money you save is not worth the honor that you compromise.

[Matthew McConaughey]

It is such a big deal.

[Andrew Schultz]

It's a, it's a massive deal.

[Megyn Kelly]

I love everything you said. Please explain what was happening there and who that was.

[Andrew Schultz]

Well, so first of all, those are two great guys. I don't remember their names. Unfortunately, it's from The Iced Coffee Hour podcast. So at least I got their show right. They were really sweet. They came to Phoenix, they brought their mobile studio. They're up and coming in the podcast world, which I have a soft spot for, as I'm sure you do. Megan. They were really great. Right? And they were so. They asked this question and they were. He was just so terribly wrong on this. And what was so interesting, I have multiple takes on this, the first of which is that the comments I got, the video went super viral, right? It got tens of millions of views. The comments from the women were so overwhelming. Yes, thank you. We need more of this. Why don't men do this anymore then? From the men, it's like Charlie is wrong, like women aren't worth it. Now, let me just say. Hold on, let me just take a whole recalibration. Now. There were some men that agreed, but overwhelmingly the women were the ones. Ones that were driving this video, which is unique because that's not always the case for Charlie Kirk videos. Usually it's the opposite, but it's good. Listen, a man needs to demonstrate leadership and the capacity to provide early on. That doesn't mean that you end up have to have that role when you up having a marriage. But from the outset, what it means to be a man is to take directive, to be leadership, to be. To have the protector of the family and not to mention the. The young lady that is there deep down she wants to show that when all the crap hits the fan, the man can take care of her and that he will do the alpha move and that he's not going to split the check. And there's also a. I didn't mention this in the video, so I'll say this here, Megan. It filters out in gratitude. It filters out the character of the person you are courting. I was shocked I learned this that so many men came to me. They said, charlie, when I pay for a lot of the first dates, the women never say thank you. I said, ah, yet another good reason to pay on the first date, because you learn as much about her as she is learning about you. And I asked a group of women, 100 women, I said, appealing or unappealing, attractive or unattractive? The man on the first date pays the check without you even knowing and goes to the maitre d and hands the credit card while he goes to the bathroom. They said, it's a beyond a turnout. I said, so for men, I mean, for men you're talking about a way that you could advantage yourself. Now they say well, what if the date didn't go well? Still does not matter. What if you think that it will never go anywhere? Still does not matter. You have to. You have a role to play. And on a date, the woman is there to be courted by you. That is the way this works, right? You are the one that is hosting. You are the one that is hospitable. And I think a breakdown of that has been so destructive. But to complete the point, so many of the men that pay for it, they find out a lot about the women. So I could go endlessly about this, Megan, but I think I learned about that this was happening, by the way, in this podcast afterwards. I said, are you telling me that. That men aren't paying for everything on the first date? They said, oh, yeah. All the time that we're splitting it, I say, no wonder why male female relations have fallen down so much. We need men to be men again. We need to raise our sons to be men of honor, of character and leadership, to look after the women in their lives. To say that women are not just beautiful, but they're honorable and they're sacred and that we provide for our wives and that we honor our mothers and that we protect our sisters. That's the men that we want to raise in our country, and we've gotten away from that.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, I love it. Right on. I agree with every word. Shoot it into my veins, as they say. A shout out to the podcast. There it is. Hosted by Graham Stefan and Jack Selby. They explore very nice conversations that were.

[Andrew Schultz]

So wrong on that, but they were.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, well, sweet, young. Totally. And I. I'll tell you, I can relate to that, even as a working woman who obviously can support herself. But when Doug and I met and I was still working, I was at Fox News. I was in my infancy at Fox News. He was making a lot more money than I was, and he was running his own company. And I mean, if he had actually suggested that we split the bill or. Or that I pay, he would have been out the window in a New York second. I mean, it was. Wouldn't have even been a consideration. It was clear that he was taking care of me in that way. We both understood it. And then eventually, in the course of our relationship, just because media is what it is, I wound up. Up earning more than Doug just because, you know, that's, you know, how. How it is. But still, he takes care of me still. He's in the alpha role in our personal life, and I'm more in the beta role in Our personal life, which I love, I. That, that turns me on. Like if it were something else, I don't, I don't think it would work. And I don't think people understand that that's true. I think universally for 99 of women, whether they're working women or not working women, or women who work in the home, etc. They do want to be taken care of. It's biological. And they want to take care of their men in different ways too.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. And also this is very important that the man, if he is not providing or if he is not productive, then something happens to men that's really hard for us to sometimes put to words. But the statistics, the statistics show it. They kind of get emasculated, they get into pornography, they gain a bunch of weight. Where it is best for a man to have pressure. Men succeed under pressure. And so many young men are without pressure. And sometimes you go on a first date, you know what, you have to have the pressure to provide on that first date. So many young men are in a pressure free environment. What does that mean? They don't have to provide for themselves, they have to provide for others. They don't have to show. So when all of a sudden pressure makes the man where you have to show up at 5am for work, that you have to make enough money to pay for rent, and then, yes, you also have to provide for a family. And I could say this as a married man with two kids, something happens the way God wired us, once you get married with kids, where you just figure it out and you're like, I'll take a second job, I'll work all night. I'm gonna, you know, ask the boss for a raise, I'm gonna come up with a new idea. Because all of a sudden you feel this biological need that I have to feed these kids. And it sometimes happens subconsciously, but it's so important. And the same thing happens, by the way, for moms, right? They are like, we got to get the house organized, right? We have to make sure it's clean, we got to make sure the meals, it's the same sort of thing. And they always can't put words to it. But for the man, it gives them purpose in their work, gives them satisfaction. Like, okay, it was a rough day at work, but I came home and these kids are fed and they can go to school. We live in a nice neighborhood. And it gives man a sense of contentment and satisfaction that is so missing from modernity with these young men. Largely because we've taken them out of this kind of purpose filled life. And I think, again, I would say, and it's so interesting you said what you said, Megan, that the women that are the prizes, if you split the check with them, there probably will not be a second date.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, hell no. Hell no. Can I say the other thing that you're talking about that I think people need to be reminded of and I think is important is the man should be the pursuer in the early relationship. And frankly, I mean, Doug and I have been married I don't know how many years now, 18 years. And he's still pursuing me. He's still not sure where it's gonna land. It has to be. It's biologically conditioned, men and women are. For the man to be the pursuer. He's the lion and you're the gazelle and he's like programmed to run after you. And if you upend that in any way, you're messing with nature, you know? So, like, men, young men should know you do need to make the phone calls. Even if she didn't call you back, you have to be the one to text first. It's, it's, it's like almost like a reporter going after a source. In a way, you're subjugated, but you're not actually subjugated. You're doing it because you're the leader in the relationship in this way. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's actually hot and appropriate and part of the game and the turn on.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. And if you're a young woman, I have to say this, and you think that it's pervy or weird if a man is pursuing you, you got deep problems. I hear this a lot from men. And so young ladies out there are like, oh, well, I think it's weird if he approaches me at a bar. Get over yourself. Like, that's nature. That's biological. Right. Have enough self confidence. Be like, I'm not interested. Thank you so much. Right, Correct. Don't go out alone if you feel unsafe. And you talk about this all the time, right, Megan? But what has happened is this hostility. And I think men are overcompensating, but men have just retreated. They're like, forget it, we're done. You don't want to talk to us, you're going to accuse us of sexual harassment. I don't think that's the right reaction. But young ladies in some ways have unintentionally created this kind of like, oh, I can't believe that guy at work Came up to me and he wanted to talk to me.

[Megyn Kelly]

And they will wind up alone. They will wind up.

[Andrew Schultz]

Exactly. And they wonder why they're alone. Exactly.

[Megyn Kelly]

And for the women, I think they need to remember, yes, it's his job to sort of be the alpha and pursue you. But you should stay playful. You can be somewhat elusive, you know, because the men like that. Hello. But also playful, like you have to be signaling back, I'm into you, if not always available to you. Well, that is how it works.

[Andrew Schultz]

Yes. Men want what they cannot have and they will keep on pursuing what they cannot have if they think there's a chance. And there's that beautiful thing where it's like, so you're telling me there's a shot, you tell me there's a chance.

[Matthew McConaughey]

Right.

[Andrew Schultz]

And so again, that, that for the women out there, you know, exercise, class and piety properly understood. But you know, again, you could be playful, you could be artful with it. Don't you have to be overly flirty? But you definitely can be classy in the way that you engage with it. Right. Because a man will also, you'll. Women will find this, a man will improve himself, his income and his character to elevate towards a woman. And so you will find that men will do things that they will not do for anybody else in the pursuit of a woman. They'll stop drinking, they'll stop watching porn, they'll get a second job. Like they will not eat for a week, they'll go to the gym. Like it does things to the male mind. And women don't always understand that. So I say women hold yourself to such a high standard that the man wants to pursue you that they have to elevate themselves towards that.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right. That's exactly. Oh, I couldn't agree with this more. I think you and I need to start like a conservative dating service, Charlie, because you and I both know there are so many young conservatives out there who want to be connected with people but are having a difficult time and maybe don't even know how to behave or what the so called rules are anymore. But I think we could help them. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly show. No bs, no agenda agenda and no fear.