Colbert's PAINFUL Goodbye, Lemon's Whining About White Men, and Trump's Hilarious Rant, with Stu Burguiere | Ep. 1322

Summary

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The Megyn Kelly Show

Episode: Colbert's PAINFUL Goodbye, Lemon's Whining About White Men, and Trump's Hilarious Rant, with Stu Burguiere (Ep. 1322)
Date: May 21, 2026
Guest: Stu Burguiere, Host of Predictable with Stu

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the end of Stephen Colbert’s Late Show, the media’s overwrought reaction, Don Lemon’s self-pitying Substack, and Donald Trump's comic presence and political performance. Megyn Kelly and guest Stu Burguiere dissect the cultural and political anxieties distorting media narratives, with plenty of sharp humor and explicit criticism. They also touch on issues from identity politics in media to the bizarre state of late-night TV, the LA mayoral race, and international headlines.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Stephen Colbert’s “Painful” Late Show Goodbye

Timestamp: 00:30–06:46

• Main Point: Colbert’s final Late Show is treated as a moment of existential dread by the left, who blame Trump and network executives rather than the show’s huge financial losses and years-long ratings slump.
• Megyn’s Take:
  • “The show hasn’t been funny in a decade and is losing a reportedly astronomical sum of $40 million a year.” (00:30)
  • Mocks the melodramatic tributes (“months of tributes have been a little much”), particularly from Jimmy Kimmel and Bruce Springsteen.
• Memorable Moments:
  • Springsteen’s protest lament: “You’re the first guy in America who’s lost his show because we got a president who can’t take a joke.” (02:37)
  • Colbert’s recurring bit: “What number am I thinking of?” revealed with Robert De Niro in a painfully awkward moment. (06:13)
• Stu’s Perspective: Colbert’s only real success was exploiting Trump-era polarization. He’s not a tragic free speech martyr but the beneficiary of a brief ratings uptick from relentless anti-Trump content. (09:29)

2. Don Lemon’s Substack and Media Victimhood

Timestamp: 15:49–29:40

• Don Lemon’s Narrative: Pitches his own arrest for protest coverage as a warning for free speech, tying it to Colbert’s cancellation as proof of institutional bias against “the truth-tellers.”
  • “I was the canary in the coal mine... It will trickle down or up, depending how you look at it. Now it has trickled all the way to late night television.” (15:49)
• Megyn’s Rebuttal:
  • “His own firing… was as a result of his terrible ratings, zero talent, misogynistic comments, and the outing of some very dark incidents in his past at CNN.” (15:49, 22:29)
  • On Lemon blaming "white men": “I’m black and I’m gay. He literally came out and said it... There were two other reasons he stayed.” (21:01)
• Stu’s Commentary:
  • “If there’s ever been a person in history who loves staring into a mirror, it’s Don Lemon. The guy absolutely loves himself. Nobody loves Don Lemon more than Don Lemon.” (19:00)
  • The media’s obsession with their own martyrdom is both self-serving and historically revisionist.

3. The Collapse & Wokeness of Late Night TV

Timestamp: 35:46–41:43

• Political Comedy’s Downfall:
  • Late night hosts (Colbert, Kimmel, Fallon) have become echo chambers for leftist outrage and official narratives, particularly regarding Trump or social issues.
  • Jimmy Fallon Example: Attempts to lampoon Trump with a song filled with text abbreviations, which fell flat for both Megyn and Stu (“That is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life”—Stu, 37:55)
  • Reference to Colbert’s “vaccine song” and how late night became pro-government messaging machines, abandoning real satire.
  • Megyn: “They couldn’t find comedy in Joe freakin Biden for four years, it was the funniest thing anybody ever seen — if it wasn't just for our lives all collapsing.” (40:22)

4. Spencer Pratt, LA Politics, and Republican Identity in Blue States

Timestamp: 47:31–58:56

• Spencer Pratt’s Republican Shift:
  • Pratt attributes his political awakening to needing a concealed carry permit for personal protection, only possible as a Republican in California.
    • Quote: "The only people that supported a CCW [in LA] was the Republican. That was what I aligned with, my safety, my family's safety." (47:54)
• LA's Political Climate:
  • Discussion of ad campaigns that satirize the shame among liberals for even privately supporting law-and-order Republicans ("Not that I'm MAGA or anything...")
  • Stu: “Things can get so miserable, even people who are ideologically opposed can throw their hands up and say, look, we just gotta have this.”

5. Trump’s Personal & Public Moments

Timestamp: 60:36–69:42

• Trump & Don Jr.'s Wedding:
  • Trump equivocates on attending Don Jr.'s wedding, citing presidential responsibilities in a tongue-in-cheek style: “If I do attend, I get killed; if I don’t attend, I get killed — by the fake news.” (60:36)
• Trump’s Coast Guard Speech & Viral Parodies:
  • Trump humorously fixates on the physical stature of Coast Guard cadet Thomas Rhodes: “Look at the muscles on this guy. Just hit him on the shoulder, I hurt my hand, it's like hitting a rock.” (63:30)
  • Viral internet parody of Trump as a "gay icon" hilariously lip-syncing Trump’s comments about good-looking, muscular men. (65:21)
  • Stu: “It’s okay to laugh at your own side... they could have laughed at Joe Biden on Colbert. It’s not that we have a problem with you making fun of Trump — just prioritize the comedy!” (65:55)
• Broader Point: Both Kelly and Stu advocate for real, balanced humor regardless of political targets.

6. Hollywood Wokeness—The Odyssey Case

Timestamp: 73:17–78:28

• The Odyssey Movie:
  • Lambasts Christopher Nolan’s decision to cast Lupita Nyong'o (a black woman) as Helen of Troy and Elliot Page (trans actor) as Achilles, arguing it’s a capitulation to diversity mandates detached from source material or common sense.
  • Megyn: “Not one person on the planet actually thinks that Lupita Nyong’o is the most beautiful woman in the world. But Christopher Nolan...would be called racist if he gave the most beautiful woman role to a white woman.” (Paraphrasing Matt Walsh, 73:17)
• Wider Critique: Ongoing examples of Hollywood rewriting roles for diversity optics: “White is in the title — you’d think they would do this [cast a white actor as Snow White].” (74:34)

7. Dems vs. GOP: Midterm Woes and Culture Wars

Timestamp: 78:28–91:07

• Democrats’ “Smart Silence” & GOP’s Struggles:
  • Democrats are faring well in polls by simply staying quiet, while Republicans are hindered by the fallout of the Iran war, inflation, and Trump’s waning appeal, especially among non-MAGA/non-college white men. (Montage of dire Fox News poll stats, 81:39)
  • Janet from Long Island’s Call:
    • “I feel abandoned. I'm a Trump die hard...We're going to have to move out...He has abandoned the middle class...Give us back tax — anything just to make our life easier…” (84:40)
  • Stu: "When it comes to elections, and even more so with midterms, people are hit by what's in their wallet, bills, kids, grandkids...ideology goes out the window." (89:12)
• Trans Politics & Culture:
  • The issue is less about ideology, more about a perceived abandonment of truth and reality (“We must be able to agree that when a person is born a man a boy...they can't just say a series of magical words to change their gender.” — Stu, 87:13)
  • Megyn links voter frustration over culture war excesses to the Dems’ vulnerability.

8. UK Identity Politics Murder Case

Timestamp: 94:58–103:11

• Case of Henry Nowak:
  • A white college student stabbed to death by a Sikh man in the UK, police ignore his utterances (“I've been stabbed”) and treat him as the offender on the accusation of "racial abuse.”
  • Megyn contends this is a disastrous result of identity politics: “The police did not allow themselves to see that the white boy could be the victim and the dark-skinned man the assailant.” (94:58)
• Stu's Perspective:
  • “Deciding these incidents based on skin color was the wrong approach...the colorblind society was right. We should continue to go after that ideal even though it is difficult for human beings to achieve it.” (101:49)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Megyn, on Colbert's cancellation:
  "They are all very, very, very upset that Stephen Colbert is going away and we have to pretend like this is some sort of unprecedented free speech violation by a network colluding with a president and not the result of a network losing $40 million a year." (09:02)

• Don Lemon Self-Regard:
  "If there’s ever been a person in history who loves staring into a mirror, it’s Don Lemon. The guy absolutely loves himself. Nobody loves Don Lemon more than Don Lemon." (19:00, Stu Burguiere)

• Megyn on diversity casting in Odyssey:
  "Not one person on the planet actually thinks that Lupita Nyong’o is the most beautiful woman in the world." (73:17)

• Jimmy Fallon’s failed Trump song:
  "That is the worst thing I've ever seen in my life.” (37:55, Stu Burguiere)
  "It was like being tortured..." (38:14, Stu Burguiere)

• On the decline of political humor:
  "They couldn’t find comedy in Joe freakin Biden for four years...If you fold and say, hey everybody, line up to take this medication...you're just sending the signal that we've just given in, and that is what they did throughout the Biden presidency." (40:22, Stu)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Colbert’s Goodbye/Bruce Springsteen’s Eulogy: 00:30–06:46
• Colbert’s Numbers Game, Robert De Niro Clip: 06:46–09:00
• Stu Burguiere Joins, Colbert’s Ratings & Political Pivot: 09:00–15:49
• Don Lemon Substack, Media Martyr Complex: 15:49–29:40
• CNN, Ratings Decline, Identity Politics in Media: 29:40–35:46
• Late Night’s Woke Decline (Jimmy Fallon, Colbert Vax Song): 35:46–41:43
• Megyn’s Book Plug, Transition to LA Mayor Race & Spencer Pratt: 41:43–58:56
• Trump’s Personal & Public Persona, Viral Comedy Memes: 60:36–69:42
• Hollywood Diversity & 'The Odyssey' Movie: 73:17–78:28
• Dems/GOP Midterm Prospects, Janet’s Call: 78:28–91:07
• UK Case, Identity Politics Backlash: 94:58–103:11

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Tone & Style

• Candid, irreverent, and skeptical.
• Megyn and Stu don’t shy from sharp language or explicit humor, especially when skewering media figures or political hypocrisy.
• Their criticisms are forceful but leavened with wit ("You're a loser. That's the truth."—Megyn on Colbert).
• The conversation is rapid, engaging, and full of cultural references.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode sharply critiques the self-seriousness of the liberal media establishment, skewers the culture of victimhood and identity politics both in American media and abroad, and delivers a bracing call for common sense—in both comedy and public life. Whether discussing ratings disasters, diversity overreach in Hollywood, or the tragic consequences of identity-first policing, Megyn and Stu argue passionately for truth, humor, and accountability over progressive orthodoxy or partisan narratives.

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Transcript

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[Megyn Kelly]

Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Thursday and happy last day of the Late show forever. Stephen Colbert is hosting the final episode of the Late Night Show. I mean, finally tonight on cbs. And the left is reacting with existential dread, blaming the cancellation on the evil and fascist Trump and ignoring the fact that the show hasn't been funny in a decade and is losing a reportedly astronomical sum of $40 million a year. A year. You don't need an MBA from Harvard Business School to know that CBS cannot keep paying Colbert A reported 15 to 20 million dollars a year to lose even more.

[Stu Berger]

What?

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, what are we doing? His weak competitor Jimmy Kimmel apparently thinks Colbert deserves to be paid millions in perpetuity. And because he's not getting that wish, he is now urging viewers to watch Colbert tonight and then never, ever turn the dial to CBS again. Oh, gee, who would that help? Watch.

[Guest or Caller]

We will be off tomorrow night out of respect for our colleague and friend

[Stu Berger]

Stephen Colbert and the writers producers

[Guest or Caller]

at the Late Show.

[Stu Berger]

I hope the people who did the

[Guest or Caller]

pushing feel ashamed of themselves tonight, although

[Stu Berger]

I know they probably won't.

[Guest or Caller]

I will be watching tomorrow night. I hope that those of you who watch also will also tune in to CBS for the last time. Don't ever watch it again, but watch tomorrow night to wish Stephen and our friends at the Late show off fond farewell.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not too clever. Then there's good old Bruce Springsteen, who's clearly become a woman who thinks Colbert is being taken off the air because President Trump and the owners of Paramount are just too sensitive.

[Guest or Caller]

Steven, I'm here in support tonight for Stephen because you're the first guy in America who's lost his show because we got a president who can't take a joke. And. And because. Because Larry and David Ellison feel they need to kiss his ass to get what they want. So these are. Anyway, Stephen, he's a Small minded people. They got no idea what the freedoms of this beautiful country are supposed to be about. This is for you.

[Megyn Kelly]

We have a few to explain them to us. He should ride that guitar right off into the sunset and be quiet. Just be quiet. No one gives a what you're saying. Your weird little songs that you've parodied to make fun of Trump, like during his performance. It was truly like something out of a leftist presentation in high school. They had slogans projected on the backdrop onto like an American flag that was up there. Resistance. Honestly, this happened. Peace, truth, hope, unity. Okay, so inspirational. People have their marching orders. Hopefully unity. That is such a typical leftist move. They don't want unity. Those are lies. They absolutely don't want unity. They want dominance. These are the same people who are pretending to shoot themselves in the neck to this day in the wake of Charlie's murder. They think that the people who are praising Luigi, Luigi Mangione have started an interesting conversation. There'll be no unity. It's a no. And let's check in with Robert De Niro, who's even crazier than Springsteen. He's crazier than Rosie o'. Donnell. He truly, I think, has the worst case of TDS we've ever seen, ever known to man. I mean, that's saying something. Who got Colbert? This is. Oh my God. This is actually the most ridiculous thing. None of us watches Colbert, obviously, so we didn't know about this tricky little thing he does. This fun little trick he's been doing on his show for years. This clever little cat and mouse game he plays with his guests. What does he do? It's an ongoing saga, apparently. It's been going on for years. It's a little Q and A where he, he asks them a mystery question that he wants them to guess the answer to. What is it? Is it like, you know, number of gumballs in the jar? No, it's just what number am I thinking of? Okay, that's his game. What number am I thinking of? And this passes for like $15 million a year entertainment. This being his last week. He and Robert De Niro chose last night to reveal the. The big answer. You were finally gonna get to hear the number. And apparently it's been one number. It's not even like a clever thing where night after night, just to see if people on his wavelength, he's. He changes his number and they. That would be dumb and boring enough, I guess. He's had the same number in his head all these years and if you get it he doesn't tell you. And if you don't get it, I don't know what he says. Who gives a shit? This is the most boring fucking bit we've ever discussed. How did this pass for entertainment? So he brings on De Niro to do. To do the big reveal of the number, my friends. My God. And De Niro couldn't even spit out the number. The whole bit was awkward. Watch.

[Guest or Caller]

What number were you thinking of? There's a hint as to what the answer is.

[Stu Berger]

Ethan Hawke immediately goes, I know what it is. It's three. That's the number. That's the number I was thinking of. Yeah. Yeah.

[Guest or Caller]

Okay.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah.

[Guest or Caller]

I thought it would have been 2 million.5 or 2 and a half million. That's the number of Epstein files Trump still hasn't released.

[Megyn Kelly]

Is it over? Is it over? Actually, it is over. Thank God. Tonight. After tonight, it's over and we don't have to talk about him anymore. Thank God. Look, I'm sure he's going to, you know, launch a podcast or do something in the independent lane, and it'll probably do quite well because he has some following there. Not enough to justify paying him $15 million a year on air at CBS, but he's the one who's chosen to treat it like a funeral. That's. That's Stephen Colbert's choice. I mean, the months of tributes have been a little much. And wait until you hear what Don Lemon is writing about this cancellation. And I guess he's got a substack now. You'll be shocked to learn he makes it all about himself. All about him, himself and his arrest for allegedly violating the Face act when he stormed a church in St. Paul, Minnesota, with anti ICE protesters back in January. There are dozens of other examples we've got to get to. But first, before we do, we want to bring in our friend Stu Berger, who's host of Predictable with Stu. Find out [e-mail] and the relaunched Stu and Dave Do America on Blaze tv. When there are supply constraints on commodities, prices surge. You see it with fuel prices, with everything happening in the Strait of Hormuz. And you know what else is a limited commodity? Gold. They mine it out of the ground, and when it's gone, it's gone. Governments cannot just print more of it. And that's why everyone from central banks to savvy savers, consider diversifying with gold. If you've been thinking about it for years, but have still never moved some of your savings into physical gold, consider Birch Gold Group now through May 29, Birch Gold is giving first time gold buyers a rebate of up to $10,000 on qualifying purchases. For details and a free information kit on diversifying into Gold. Text MK to the number 989898. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401K into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. Text MK to the number 989898 to see if you qualify for a four first time gold buyer rebate of up to $10,000. Stu, what a great day to have you. Welcome back.

[Stu Berger]

Thank you, Megan. Great to be here.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, so they are all very, very, very upset that Stephen Colbert is going away and we have to pretend like this is some sort of unprecedented free speech violation by a network colluding with a president and not the result of a network losing $40 million a year. Can you believe how pathetic and lame the sendoffs have been?

[Stu Berger]

It's incredible, especially from someone that has just not really made an impact. Right? I mean, he went over there and he started. There's this big piece of the New York Times just, you know, again, another obituary for the show today where they talk about how he started over at, you know, with the show and he tried to do a show that would entertain people like every other late night host was doing for many, many years. That the formula that appealed to a mass audience. Make some jokes, the show's not super expensive to produce. You make a bunch of money, everybody's happy. He tried to do that and it was failing. It was failing miserably. So Donald Trump comes down the escalator, Colbert decides he's going to switch his shtick. I mean, he'd always been obviously critical of conservatives, but he was trying to do something else, I guess, at the begin and the way the Times phrases it is, you know, he became successful in a period where it was still possible for a show to be successful with a point of view, which is, I thought, an amazing way to put it. I missed the era where all these networks were allowing conservative points of view to be the lead parts of their late night shows. And hardcore conservatives being critical. I don't remember, you know, Rush Limbaugh having the late night show. He did have a syndicated show at one point that was successful, but that's not the way that they allowed this stuff to work, even with successful people like Rush. It's a, it's a joke. He has not been successful. He's, he's, you know, just shedding money like crazy. And he's, I think if I'LL give him any credit on anything. He was smart to lean into this sort of victim situation where he is now the victim of the President. He can be seen as the white knight fighting for everything.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's good.

[Stu Berger]

It's such a l. It's much better than focusing on the fact that you're losing $40 million a year.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh my God. Yes. You're a loser. That's the truth. Honestly, that is. You're a loser and you got canceled because you've been a loser for a long time. To quote the president about Rosie o', Donnell, that's my, one of my favorite quotes by him. Rosie's a loser. She's been a loser for a long time. As if it's like quantifiable, like identifiable the date she became the loser.

[Stu Berger]

Forward scientific consensus.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's same same for Stephen Colbert. So let me give you a taste for what's happening. Of course, Jon Stewart is also devastated at this and he, you know, as part of the parade of honors for Colbert on his way out, he's not dying, he's just getting his show canceled. Jon Stewart goes on and says the following. Watch stop 4.

[Guest or Caller]

And let me say this, and I mean this from the bottom of my heart, not just for this show, but for the country. The day, the day, oh people, close your eyes and dream. The day that the electorate in this great nation we call home repudiates this putrid administration. The day that that happens, my brother, my brother. Uh huh. There will be, and I mean this, the day that that happens, there will be a joyful noise from the bowels of this great country that will make Hungary's repudiation of Orban look like an Amish Sabbath.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay. I mean that's what they're celebrating, right? Like, don't you worry, you know, it's all Trump's fault. And Trump will get his. The nation will repudiate him. This has nothing to do with Trump other than Stephen Colbert caught a very bad case of tds, turned his show entirely political based on his obsession with Trump, ratings cratered and as a business matter, he was no longer viable and his show went down. That's not Trump's fault. That's his fault for making a bad calculation about what people wanted in the so called comedy slot on nighttime tv.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, because I'm sure that audience is very well versed in the, the policy profile of Viktor Orban. I'm sure they just cheered so loud for that because they understood the reference completely. Sure. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's trying to make him, he's always trying to show you how smart he is, which is a tell, of course, that he doesn't feel smart at all.

[Stu Berger]

Right, exactly. You know, it's funny because honestly, without Donald Trump, to be clear, you could say, okay, well, he's, you know, he's. Trump has been critical of Colbert. And that's obviously true. They've warned in the media, but without Donald Trump's presence, Stephen Colbert's canceled in, like 2018. I mean, his entire show. The only thing he ever says on the show is an echo of what Jon Stewart just said in, you know, just filling in the controversy of the day into his crappy jokes. This is his entire career at this point. He owes to Donald Trump, at least on this show. The fact that it lasted that long is only because he went in there and he did connect with a portion of the country, a very, you know, left wing, hardcore portion of the country. And. And that gave him enough of a bump, just like MSNBC and CNN did in that period. They went on hardcore against Donald Trump, did basically TDS network, and were able to pump up at their ratings at a time when, you know, there was a lot of passion and everyone was screaming about this new guy who was in here and pissing everybody off. That, you know, got old. And once you took half of the audience and immediately tossed them aside and tried to continually hit the same audience with the same jokes and the same monologues and the same guests over and over and over and over again, eventually they just got bored of it. And when you got to the point where they. They, I guess, got what they want and they got a Joe Biden presidency and that went so poorly, a good chunk of the audience that was with them before left. And now you have basically nobody outside of Jon Stewart and Jimmy Kimmel watching. And that's why the show's off the air. It's got nothing to do with Donald Trump yelling at Stephen Colbert.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, well, there's another Don who thinks he has something to do with it, and that's Don Lemon. I like. I can't believe what I'm about to read to you. Of course, we don't keep tabs on what Don Lemon is doing. No one cares. But he's apparently doing a substack, and his substack reads as follows. Okay, I'm gonna give you some of the low light stuber gear. He says, Colbert was the canary in the coal mine. I know something about that. He writes back, back to me. I gave one line to someone else. Back to Me On January 18th of this year, I was in St. Paul, Minnesota, covering an anti A's protest at a city's church. As an independent journalist, I live streamed it. I interviewed protesters. I did my job. Eleven days later, at approximately midnight on January 29th, the FBI and Homeland Security investigators arrested me in Beverly Hills, where I was there covering the Grammy Awards. He goes on, shortly after I appeared on Jimmy Kimmel Live. Jimmy gave me a platform when a lot of people were watching to see who would. Sure, the nation was on pins and needles seeing who would platform Don Lemon, public enemy number one. I told him I was doing okay. I told him I wasn't going to let them steal my joy, and I meant it. But I also said this is very serious, because it is. And I said something else that night that I keep coming back to. I was full of profundities that I just can't get over. I was the canary in the coal mine. Not just for what happened to me personally, but for what was coming for all of us. Here we go. Buckle up, Stu. Stand by. The networks didn't like me asking conservatives hard questions. Okay? CNN didn't like the mirror I was holding up every night, so they pushed me out. This is the most literally unbelievable revisionist history ever. And I thought, if it happened to me, it will happen to others. It will trickle down or up, depending on how you look at it. Now it has trickled all the way to late night television. So his own firing, which was as a result of his terrible ratings, zero talent misogynistic comments, and the outing of some very dark incidents in his past at cnn, that's why he got fired. That is not to blame. Don Lemon wants you to know it's because they didn't like me asking conservatives hard questions on CNN and didn't like the mirror I was holding up every night, so they pushed me out. This it's just utter bullshit. It's amazing. Is there any. Are people reading the substack like. Yeah, right on, Don. What do you make of it, Stu?

[Stu Berger]

Well, there's ever been a person in history who loves staring into a mirror. It is Don Lemon. The guy absolutely loves himself. Nobody loves Don Lemon more than Don Lemon. He should know when writing a substack. We have substack, as you mentioned, a predictableshow.com he if you are writing a substack, you should know on your keyboard, I is not the only letter you're allowed to use. How many times did he. How many times did he use the phrase also M and E, Just mix it up. A little bit. Just a wild retelling of history here. Again, these are the people we're supposed to trust to tell us the news of the day. These are the people that are. How many years did they throw Don Lemon on TV and act like he was a reliable source that was supposed to explain the world to us? You see who this guy is in real life? He's obviously massively egotistic, and that's, you know, I guess he's not alone in that when it comes to television, I suppose.

[Megyn Kelly]

But the unsupported hubris like Trump is a narcissist, but he's a billionaire and a successful businessman and won the presidency twice. So he's got a few things to back up his narcissism. Don Lemon isn't empty vessel and is just as if not more in love with the sound of his own voice and face than Trump is.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, no, certainly. And of course, the. Again, the only reason that Don Lemon stuck around long, long enough, as he did, was because he was sitting here being constantly critical of Donald Trump on cnn, which they were encouraging. Which everyone who's ever watched CNN understands this is the stuff that they're encouraging.

[Megyn Kelly]

There are two other reasons. There are two other reasons, Stu. I'll let you try to guess what they are. Here's a hint. Don Lemon reminded us of them when his neck was on the chopping block at CNN every other night.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, they. Well, yes, that's true. I mean, because you can find people to criticize Donald Trump that are better at it than Don Lemon was. So there were other reasons, for sure. Lots of intersectional reasons why Don Lemon remained there for as long.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm black and I'm gay. He literally came out and said it. Like, he explicitly referenced those two identities in an effort to save his job. I mean, it was just. It was so patent. So now. Okay, so now listen to this. He tries to make it. So the guy who fired Don Lemon from CNN was named Chris Licht. And Chris Licht came over to CNN from CBS late night from Stephen Colbert, short show where he had been brought on in, I think, 2007. 6. Colbert's been on the air for 11 years, so I don't know. Or 16. So you can do the math on how long that was. But he came over, let's say, halfway through Colbert's tenure on the air, or not quite. And. And then he left Colbert to go run CNN when Jeff Zucker went down and he ultimately fired Don Lemon. And so Don Lemon has it in for this guy. Right. He thinks it's like his demise was a. Was a Chris Licht problem, which it wasn't. It was not a Chris Licht problem. And he writes the following. He's got to tie it all together. You see the world that produced the late show, and he means Chris Licht because he was the executive producer of that show for a time. The world of legacy media, cable news and network television has long had a problem nobody wanted to name out loud. It is a world that has been extraordinarily good to a very specific kind of person. Can you guess who those kinds of people are, Stu? Don Lemon's mind? The ones who succeed.

[Stu Berger]

White people, probably knowing Don White more specific. I don't know. Who, who, who is it?

[Megyn Kelly]

White men.

[Stu Berger]

White men.

[Megyn Kelly]

White men. You, my friend, you are the problem here. As usual, white men who fail spectacularly and are promoted for it. The nerve of Don Lemon, of all people, to be leveling that charge. White men who make catastrophic decisions and are handed bigger offices for it. White men who are visibly, demonstrably unqualified, standby and are given more power. Anyway, I have watched it for 30 years. I have been managed by it. I. I have been undone by it. He says he writes the executive producer who ran the Late Night, the Late show for years eventually left and somehow landed in my world. That same person from that same TV orbit eventually became my boss at CNN and fired me. I won't name him, I don't need to. But I will say this. It was one of the most spectacular examples of a white man failing up that I have witnessed in this industry. Profoundly unqualified, visibly incompetent, elevated. Anyway, now talking like about failing upward, how did Don Lemon ever get a show in the primetime of Fox News? The answer is I refer you, refer you back to his identity politics. We. It later came out that he, much younger in his career, allegedly when he was co anchoring with Kira Phillips, was so jealous of Kira Phillips that he sent her threatening notes and she knew that they were coming from him, but he wasn't identifying himself as the one behind them. And, and he, it turned out, allegedly, he had been doing it from a burner phone so that he wouldn't be identified to his co host about the nasty, somewhat ominous messages she was getting. There was reportedly a whole human resources investigation into him as a result of this, and he was not exonerated. And yet they kept promoting him up the line. Still, I'm sure that would have happened to a white man too. Oh, sure, sure. This is just one of many problems there. Woman after woman came out and gave an interview to the press after his Nikki Haley comment about women are only in their primes, in their 20s, 30s, and 40s. Like you could never have a woman in her prime who isn't actively having babies. I mean, not for nothing, tell it to Katanji Brown Jackson, because she got appointed to the US Supreme Court at age 54, I'm thinking she's prime. That's fucking prime time for any lawyer or judge on earth. Don, can you see it? Can you see it? Since it's a black woman and not a white man or a white woman, can you see it? Okay, anyway, so this is his newfound explanation for why he went down. It was the white man, Chris Licht. And then he goes on to suggest that somehow Chris Licht may have been bringing down the Colbert show, too. I don't even understand how he says I. Okay, I don't blame Stephen Colbert for any of this stuff I'm talking about, but Colbert's brilliant. He operated with integrity. But I do wonder whether the man I just described, the one who failed up from that world and into my professional life and eventually fired me, had more to do with the end of the. Of the Colbert show. He says that show than anyone wants to say out loud. Maybe losing tens of millions of dollars a year wasn't just about the economics of late night. Maybe it was about who was running the building. This is so weird. I mean, Chris Licht was no longer at cbs. He'd gone to CNN and then gotten the boot. But I think what he means is white. White man. White man made these decisions. White man is running the world. White man has fired. What is Stephen Colbert again? Checks notes, another white man. And this is to say nothing of the numbers, the ratings of Don Lemon's programs right before he got fired, which I will talk about as well in two seconds. But your reaction to this insane narrative,

[Stu Berger]

quite catty there from Don Lemon. You could tell this is just, you know, he's very, very angry about losing his gig. But I don't even understand you kind of hit on this. I don't understand what the storyline is for these people. If you look at the time where Colbert was, I guess, moderately successful, again, nothing compared to the late night show hosts of the past. But if you look at the high points of the Colbert show, it's when Chris Licht was running it, that's when it was actually at its high point again, incredibly critical of Donald Trump that entire time. But if you had, if there was A peak to this very tiny mountain. It was when Chris Licht was there. I would also argue, I don't know that it's failing up to go from CBS late night to cnn. Yeah, like it seems, because I remember at the time there was a big conversation about.

[Megyn Kelly]

Many of us had a lot of questions about that move that like why is Chris Lick doing that?

[Stu Berger]

Exactly. It seems like a demotion. Right. It seems like why would you want to go to CNN where there's like 12 people watching? When you have a network, you have this big show, you know, you're constantly in the, in the positive spotlight. Why would you want to leave? And at the time, if I remember, Licht was trying to make an argument that he thought it was important. Like it wasn't like, hey, this is a much better gig. He's like, he thought it would be important to try to save this network. Again, that didn't happen. I think some of the choices he made while there were actually pretty good. I think there was some improvement of CNN while he was there, which of course is the reason he was no longer there. He gets. You get tossed out the door.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Stu Berger]

You know, every once in a while CNN would recognize that half the country doesn't agree with their non stop crazy leftism. Right. And every once in a while they would say, hey, weren't we supposed to be the people? We're not supposed to be msnbc. What if we tried to.

[Megyn Kelly]

At least we're supposed to be boring, right? Not biased.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, exactly. And honestly, like Megan, it is boring and it's terrible, but there's room for me in the media sphere. I wish there was a place that did what were supposed to believe a CNN does. Like a place that just doesn't have the old cnn.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, I liked the boring version.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah. And honestly, I think they always leaned left to some degree. But at least I think there was a time at CNN where a good portion of the people who worked there tried. They were leftists and Democrats and stuff, but they would still attempt to do journalism. A lot of that is gone. You know, there's still some good people who work there.

[Megyn Kelly]

You'd have to put on like a, a serious filter when you watch them talk about politics, but anything outside of politics, you could trust cnn. They actually used to be really good for that. And even the politics were nowhere near as openly biased on CNN as they became under Jeff Zucker and remain to this day. So yeah, I agree with you. There was a time where CNN was okay and it was tolerable. But that changed. And Don Lemon is one of the main people who changed it for, you know, toward the worst. He now wants you to think that it's because he was black, I guess that he got fired by a white man. He hates white men. Okay. He's married to a white man. So I like, I don't understand it. Are they all bad? It's just the one you married. Okay. Is there anybody else who's okay? Like, how about the white men who watch your show? Oh, wait, there are none. Okay, never mind. So anyway, he goes on to talk about how, you know, back to himself and how sad he is about how he got fired. The networks didn't like me asking conservatives hard questions. Okay, here's the truth. When Don Lemon got fired, his morning show, remember, he got booted from the late night show because it was in. In the basement. When it came to ratings, he was. He was getting absolutely no numbers. Do I have his late night numbers here? I don't know if I have his evening numbers here. Oh, yeah, I do. When he got fired from the late night show or whatever, the primetime show, he was averaging 600,000 viewers in the prime time, okay? He was averaging 150,000 in the demo. Just to give the audience a feel for where that is. When I left my primetime job at Fox, which was January of 17, we were averaging about 3 million viewers a night. Okay? He was getting 600,000. And we had between 3 and 600,000 in the key demo, given whatever. Any given night in the news cycle. I actually looked it up. We were averaging 500,000 when I left, so we were averaging half a million in the demo. That was what he was getting in the overall. That's why he got fired. That's why they booted him out of late night. He had no numbers. He couldn't put any points on the board. It was pathetic. Pathetic. I never even looked at his numbers or anybody's numbers on cnn. They weren't relevant to me. They weren't even a competitor. It was boring for me to even consider them. Then they moved him to the morning as his promotion. Remember, they tried to spin it as a big promotion to go from a solo primetime position to a three person morning show with Caitlin Collins and Poppy Harlow, and it became the lowest rated program in a decade for cnn. That, and then he made his comments about Nikki Haley. And that show, by the way, was averaging about 360,000 viewers in the morning. Fox and Friends was averaging 1.2 million, and MSNBC was averaging about a million. Just Under a million that Don Lemon, you were fired because you failed. You failed in every role they ever gave to you. Then you became offensive on top of it. Failure and offensive. That's what happened. Okay. Like, it's fine. You found a niche. You're making it in the independent lane in a decent way, I have to say. So that's good. That's good for you. But there's no reason to rewrite history here. Your firing had nothing to do with Whitey. It had to do with you. And a lack of talent and offensive comments that you made repeatedly. And dumb comments. Everyone knew you were dumb, which was one of your major sins, which is not really overcomeable. So I shouldn't hold it against you. In any event, these are the people who remain outraged about Stephen Colbert getting his proverbial head chopped off by, I guess, the white men in the C suite. Still.

[Stu Berger]

Ah, those evil white men and their vendettas against other white men. That's what happens, I suppose. You know, the other thing you mentioned of him being moved from a show that was completely failing in prime time to the morning show, if I'm not mistaken, that was a Chris Licht move, right? Like, he actually saved Don Lemon and put him in the morning show again. He didn't make all good decisions, but that was a terrible one.

[Megyn Kelly]

But he tried not to fire him.

[Stu Berger]

He tried not to fire him, which is seemingly the central focus of this entire media organization for years and years and years and years, was to figure out a way to not fire Chris Cuomo and Don Lemon. I don't know why they were so dedicated to that cause. Didn't work out all that well. But, you know, it's. You talk about those numbers, you know, gosh, I remember going back when we first started in. In. In television, the first, you know, major network that I worked in and was in the building at cnn, we worked for cnn. And at that time, they were trying to say, hey, wait a minute, we've noticed half the country won't ever turn us on. Maybe we should put a conservative on that little ugly stepchild network that we have, CNN Headline News. And they put on Glenn Beck. And I was working with him at the time, and it was amazing to watch there, where, I mean, they had nobody watching that network. I mean, nobody was turning the thing on. But our numbers, when we got on there, were higher than the numbers than you're talking about with. With Don Le. Embarrassing. That shouldn't happen. You know, there's been other developments in that time period. Certainly a rise of digital and other things. But you're basically at the point now where it's just sort of one of those networks. It's like a prestige play in a, in a, in some executives, you know, portfolio. It's not, it's, they're not trying to do news or get ratings or make money or anything else. It's just this thing. Everyone kind of remembers CNN as they had this positive view. Gosh. Remember when they, how they covered the Gulf war? Hey, let's, let's keep, make sure this is, this continue. Continues to go on. Remember Larry King? Well, yeah, we remember Larry King, but that was a long time ago. This thing has been dissolved and dissolved and dissolved. They've tried to remake it over and over again. It's like the person who goes in for too much plastic surgery, right? At some point you get to that place where this looks nothing like the beautiful person we used to know. It is this, it's just this sort of revolting, weird, uncanny valley of a network. And I don't think it's savable at this point.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's so true. So here's what's happening over on NBC where Jimmy Fallon was always sort of, I think it's fair to say the least political of the late night hosts. Seth Meyer. Is he, he's a jerk. I'm just gonna say he's such a jerk. He was such an asshole. When I was over at NBC, like I really, I couldn't stand him. I put his wife on because she was pushing some initiative, some charitive charity and it was a favor. I was like, sure, okay, I'll put her on. And then like a couple months later, he was out there attacking me at the upfronts where you make your pitch to advertisers. Literally. He was out there like making jokes about what a racist. I was like, I'm sorry, but that you're just a dick. Like, if you do that, like what? Who would do that? Like if you don't like me or you think bad things about me. Okay, no problem. We don't have to like each other. Why would you ask me to do you a favor and to do a solid for your wife? And then I did it, which was a nice thing for me to do. And then attack me publicly. Well, you're such a douche. That's a fucking douche. Sorry for my language. Okay, anyway, back to Jimmy Fallon, who is far less political than Seth Meyers. Or is he? Look where he went was this, this is Wednesday night. This is last night. This is Jimmy Fallon, who may be starting to think he can fill the shoes of Stephen Colbert. Listen here.

[Guest or Caller]

Trump had sued the IRS for 10 billion. What a mess. Trump controls the DOJ, told them, make it go my way. So he got immunity. No more audits. Omg, he's so happy. Lol. Popping bottles like cash Patel. PJT says doj, Is it illegal? Idk. PJT stops irs. Is that sketchy? Yes. Trump says, nbd okay. If FBI is mia, Trump says, okay, brb. I gotta watch the ufc. I R S V D O J S M H I Y K Y K N G L It's S U S T L D R W T

[Megyn Kelly]

F oh, my God. Still.

[Stu Berger]

Oh, my God. That is.

[Megyn Kelly]

Sorry.

[Stu Berger]

The worst thing I've ever seen in my.

[Megyn Kelly]

That should have come with a viewer warning.

[Stu Berger]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Stu Berger]

I'm sort of angry at you, honestly. Make it for even showing that. Oh, God.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's like I was recoiling. You know, it kind of hit my OCD in bad ways, too. It was. I disapprove on every level.

[Stu Berger]

Yes. There's that weird feeling that you get. There's certain episodes of the Office that make you really, really uncomfortable. Like Scott's tots. That's the feeling that I had watching that, as if I was being tortured. You know, the show that's going to replace, I guess Colbert is a show called Comics Unleashed, which, you know, is. From what I understand is, you know, gives comed, like, shots that, you know, maybe people didn't know who they were. I work with Dave Landau on my show Stuart Dave do America. He's a comedian and he always trained. He traces back the fall of Nate Late Night. And this is something he puts a lot of thought into, into the Colbert vaccine song sketch, if you remember this

[Megyn Kelly]

one with the dancing needles.

[Stu Berger]

With the dancing needles. And it was the vax S C E N E. And they tried to make it into this. Hey, this catchy thing. You should take this shot. And it's like it became the exact opposite of what the institution was supposed to be. It was supposed to be something that was pushing back against, you know, the things that, you know, that you were hearing from the government. You're supposed to be this, like, you know, this force, you know, pushing against the tides and making fun of everybody. And instead it was like, no, you have to embrace the messaging coming from the man. Right. It is the exact opposite. And again, it doesn't matter. Matter what you feel about any of these issues, honestly. It was. It's always. It's it's good to have voices and comedian, comedic voices have always been the best at doing this. Who will just, just take shots at what, you know, what we see in Washington and, you know, from our authority figures and from our institutions. We should look at them. This is America. We're supposed to look at them kind of like with a side eye and always be suspicious of what everyone's telling us. If you fold and say, hey, everybody, line up to take this medication. You know, whether you like it or not, you're just sending the signal that we've just given in. And that is what they did throughout the Biden presidency. They couldn't find comedy in Joe freakin Biden for four years. It was the funniest thing anybody ever seen. If it wasn't just for our lives all collapsing. We needed the comedians then and they abandoned their duty.

[Megyn Kelly]

No accountability.

[Stu Berger]

No.

[Megyn Kelly]

No accountability. Dead teenagers from that damn vax. No accountability. Nothing. Nothing about the glorifying Fauci who's honestly, I think a criminal felon, liar. Nothing. No. No accountability whatsoever. We have the vaccine. The dancing syringes. Get. Quote, unquote.

[Stu Berger]

Don't. Don't show another one.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, I know. I'm sorry. He actually did this.

[Caller Janet]

Oh, my God.

[Stu Berger]

It's so.

[Megyn Kelly]

Maxine. Oh, my Lord.

[Stu Berger]

This is embarrassing. People who work at Pfizer,

[Megyn Kelly]

And that's saying something. Now they're in the audience. Oh, those poor audience members had to look like they enjoyed that. This is just cruel. All right, that's enough. That's enough. I'm subjected to studo enough here.

[Guest or Caller]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

So. I know I. I like you too much for this too. I'm treating you like an enemy here.

[Stu Berger]

What did I do to you, Megan? I don't understand.

[Megyn Kelly]

I. I don't know. I guess we'll have to do this one more day because we'll see what ridiculous thing he does tonight. May and may or may not comment on it. But then that's it. I like, I'm so over him. I don't care. He's irrelevant. Like no leftist even is waking up. I think asking themselves, what does Stephen Colbert think? He was never that guy. Rachel Maddow. Yes, they rely on her as their queen, or did when she was doing more than one hour of television a week. But this guy was never the guy setting the agenda or like the talking points or, you know, offering new ideas or new ways of looking at leftists and leftist candidates and. Or even right wing candidates at all. He wasn't. So whatever. Fair. Farewell. Nothing against him personally, but this is. It's too much. He's got to get over himself. Now, I just want to steal one moment, if you don't mind. You mentioned Glenn Beck, who I love. And Glenn, as we both know, is an enormous history buff. I mean, I don't think there's a topic he loves more than history. And he was so generous. He had on my husband, Doug Brunt, who has just published a new book called the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. And it's all about this guy named Emmanuel Nobel who was being raised in, well, Sweden and then moved to Russia around the turn of, you know, into the 20th century alongside another kid named Joseph Stalin. And one would become the richest oil baron in the world, and one would become someone who wanted what that first guy had. And the book is doing really well. And I just want to tell people, because the audience, I had it dug on two days ago. So the book is doing very well. Thank you. Thank you to all of you for buying the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. But it's doing very well in the reviews, too. Here is something lovely from our friends at Town hall who wrote this unsolicited, we did not know this was coming. And a guy named Arthur Schaper. He writes straightforward, simple, engaging, informative, all encompassing. If you are looking for a grand story on modern Russian history, if you're interested in a crash course on the rise of Soviet communism, or if you're simply seeking a good read that connects so much into one great history epic, the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel is the book for you. And then I'll give you one more. Apple Books has made it the book of the month. Apple so enamored with Doug's book. It's their pick for the month and they write. Whether you are interested in the ideological clash between capitalism and communism or you're a fan of fascinating historical deep cuts, the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel is a gripping read. That's Apple. So this is great. You got. Not every book can get a read review from Town hall and one from Apple. Right. Which are ideologically opposed. But it's not an ideological book. It's just a fun, interesting page turner of a story that actually will leave you knowing a lot more about world history and about the world today. Cause it's like as Doug was saying the other day, you know, the more things change, the more they remain the same. With the oil turf wars and oil ruling the world and everyone fighting over it and governments fighting over who's going to control it. It's like. And by the way, just such a fascinating background on how communism came to be, which I didn't know before I read it. Okay, so point of personal order there. I appreciate you indulging me on it. Stupor gear.

[Stu Berger]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I can't. First of all, I can't wait to read this book. I know it just came out, but I'm gonna definitely read it. And, you know, it's, I think, like. Like Glenn's level of understanding and history and the reason why he loves it so much and I'm sure the reason he wanted to talk to Doug is because history has that way if we just let it go and we don't pay attention to and we don't understand those lessons, we wind up repeating it over and over and over again. And look, there's a lot of dark roads when you're talking about Joseph Stalin. There's a lot of dark roads that I think an increasing percentage of people who look back at those days, I think we see. We see this a lot of times, even on social media. You look at these people who are protesting outside of events here in America, and they start to embrace the types of worldviews that influenced Joseph Stalin to do all the terrible things that he did. So thank God he wrote this book. We need more people pointing back a bright light at history so we don't wind up going down those dark roads again.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, I'll tell you something. I would love it if the audience would buy a copy. And you can get one in time for Father's day, which is June 21, if you order right now. Now, you'll get it before they sell out, because they tend to sell out, and then you have to wait. So order it now. Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel and do it, please. Also, because one of the main competitions in nonfiction this month is the Trump hating Andrew Wiseman, who was at the DOJ and now is an MSNBC contributor. And we can't have that guy make the list and not duck who. You know, that's just wrong. Who's been a Trump fan who, unlike his wife, has actually been defending the Iran war. Doug and I are on different pages when it comes to that. He's a patriot and he's been very good to Trump. So anyway, you got to support Doug Brunt, please. I appreciate it. Okay, moving on. There's so much to talk, to talk about, but I'll start with Spencer Pratt, because it looks like now Trump may or not give him an official endorsement, which I think is probably smart, given that he's not running for, you know, mayor of Houston, he's running for mayor of la. And a Trump endorsement could do more harm than good. But Trump is telegraphing how much he likes Spencer Pratt now. And then Spencer Pratt, I think, is leaning in a little bit more. He had to run as a partisan, like either a Republican or Democrat, so he chose Republican. But he had said early on he was an independent, and now he's leaning a little bit more into his Republican identity still, which is interesting to me here in Sat20.

[Stu Berger]

Why are you a Republican?

[Spencer Pratt]

Well, you want to break some news here?

[Guest or Caller]

Sure.

[Spencer Pratt]

It's in my. You know, I've told this before, and this is the only time I've ever said this. So this is breaking news. Everyone's gonna freak out. When I was a hated reality star, I got so many death threats. I had so much security and police, and what did they tell me to do? Get a gun.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is real.

[Spencer Pratt]

I know people don't like guns, but LA was dangerous if you're hated. So I got a gun, my wife got a gun, and then we needed ccw. The only people that supported a CCW was the Republican. That was what I aligned with. My safety, my personal safety, my family's safety. I know people don't like guns, but when people are threatening your life and your own security is telling you you need to have home protection train, too, it's not like just, I went to the, you know, go through the proper steps. That was my. That's it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Amen, brother. I mean, that's how it is, Stu. Right? Everybody. Not everybody, but a lot of people don't like guns until you need one. And then they're your best friend in the world, and you're very happy that you trained with them. But if you live in the People's Republic of California, or New York for that matter, they do make it very difficult for you to get one unless and to carry, unless you can prove that you have a specific threat, you know, like a stalker, etc.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

So your thoughts on Spencer explaining that rationale, I mean, in front of a California audience?

[Stu Berger]

It's an interesting one. I mean, I. Look, I think when you get to a position where your family's life is in danger, you know, people tend to see that Second Amendment as kind of valuable, and it is. You should be able to protect your family and protect your own life from people who are threatening it. This is something that I do think that almost everybody agrees upon in principle. I mean, I think that, you know, there's a very, I think, core Part of progressivism in general, which kind of pushes people to think that everybody else can't handle themselves. Right. We have to be able to help them. You know, when it's me, when it's my family at risk, of course I should have a gun. We know this with people like Michael Bloomberg who have armed security. Right. They can afford it, but it's not like they don't want guns around them. They want to ban you from having a gun because they don't trust you with your own life. They're the educated ones. They're the ones that are your betters and they're going to help guide you through this, this world, I think. Spencer Pratt, it's a risky territory. I mean, the, the, the Trump endorsements in the same way, like obviously that would help him probably raise money. There's a bunch of things that would be beneficial from that. But on the other side, like this is a, this is an area that Donald Trump lost 70 to 28 to Kamala Harris. Right. So any, any thinking of him as a Republican is, you know, it's why he's looking around. He looks terrified. He's like, my people are going to get on me for this because reminding them that he's a Republican and not just a guy just speaking common sense and saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't let our cities burn to the ground. That's probably his direct path to victory here, if there is one.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I think it was just honest. I think he was like, I'll tell you the real reason. And I mean, I think a lot of us have been there where you run head first into the reality of leftist policy and it can radicalize you. Yeah, I can relate on a number of levels. Stu stays with us, thankfully. But we're gonna take a quick break and we will be right back. While I have you, go to MeganKelly.com and sign up there for our American News Minute. It's our once a week email and we give you all the news of the week in 60 seconds or less. You're gonna love it. Check it out. Paying 70, 80, 90 bucks a month to Big Wireless for unlimited data is, is insane. Especially when Pure Talk is going to give you unlimited high speed Data for just 34.99amonth. Unlimited high speed data at PureTalk used to start at 55 bucks a month, but because Pure Talk is constantly pushing to give you more for less, you can now get unlimited high speed data for just under 35. How about that? So if you've looked at Pure Talk before, but didn't quite make the move. Check again. And if you're wondering is Pure Talk's network really as good as the overpriced big guys, try it out for 30 days. With no contract and no cancellation fees, you have nothing to lose. Their US Customer service team is standing by to help you switch in as little as 10 minutes. Just dial £250 and say Megan Kelly to claim unlimited high speed data for just 34.99. Again, dial pound 250 and say Megyn Kelly to switch to America's wireless company. That's Pure Talk. Check it out.

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[Megyn Kelly]

Stu Berghier, host of Predictable with Stu and Stu and Dave Do America is back with me now. I forgot. There was one other thing I wanted to mention in the Don Lemon Sound substack that I didn't get to here's the best part. His. His ending. The ending to it. I was a warning. My arrest was a warning. Colbert's cancellation is a warning. The question is whether anyone is paying attention to what all of these silences have in common. Don't cry for Stephen Colbert. Cry for the First Amendment. Cry for the journalist arrested in Beverly Hills at midnight for covering a protest at a church. Cry for me. Don't cry for him. He's gonna be fine. Cry for me. I love how he refers to him in the third himself in the third person. The journalist arrested in Beverly Hills at midnight for covering a protest at a church. Cry for the comedian canceled two days after he criticized the wrong corporations. Deal with the wrong president for every voice that has gone quiet while we debated whether the economics made sense. And then he goes on. They will cancel Colbert. Watch what he builds next. It never works out the way they think it will. And they never learn. Show up. Okay, Don. Alright, so he wants you to be crying for him. Well, we won't. We're not. And back to Spencer Pratt. Here is what Trump said on camera about him. That wasn't exactly an endorsement, but again came closet 21.

[Guest or Caller]

Like to see him do? Well, he's a character. I don't know. I don't know him. I assume he probably supports me. Does he support me? So, yeah, I heard he does. I heard he's a big backup person. He's doing well. I don't know. You know you have a rigged vote out there. That's the problem. The votes are rigged.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I think he supports me. Does it? Does he support me? So that's the president coming close to endorsing, but saying nice things about him. And then I've got to show you this. A great new ad about Spencer Pratt. Watch

[Stu Berger]

this. Mayor race is really heating up. Who you guys voting for? Haven't decided. Same. Haven't really been following it. Same, same, same. I'm not MAGA or anything, but the city's kind of gone to, though, right?

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, yeah.

[Stu Berger]

Jessica stepped on a needle at the playground the other day. I'm not mag or anything, though. I'm not mag or anything, but have you been downtown lately? Looks like an episode of the Walking Dead. Not that I'm MAGA or anything, though. Spencer Pratt seems like he has some good ideas. Not that I'm MAGA or anything. He does seem really angry all the time, though. Well, they did burn his house down. Also, apparently he's staying at the Bel Air Hotel, not the trailer on his property. Well, yeah, they burned his house down. Okay, we're all adults here. How about on three, we just say who we're voting for? One, two, three. Spencer Pratt. Yeah. Spencer Pratt. Spencer Pratt. Can you imagine if our wives knew?

[Megyn Kelly]

You are not alone. Vote Spencer Pratt. We're all voting for Spencer Pratt. Right, of course. Obviously. I wish I. I could vote like, yesterday. So good. So it was created by. Not Stardin by, but created by Domari Zenoiki, who's been on this program. And it's so good that that can happen. That could happen even in la, where you're definitely not supposed to be voting for Spencer Pratt. You're not to admit that you like Spencer Pratt. You certainly shouldn't be talking about openly voting for a Republican to run the city. And yet that it's in the. You know, in the way we saw before Trump's last election, where there were so many crossover votes. I'm sure you are having conversations where people are kind of nosing up to it slightly still, you know, like, Spencer Pratt is interesting or fascinating. Well, he's fascinating. Right. And then seeing whether somebody takes the bait.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting. I remember those conversations, having those conversations with people in 2016, when they were like, I don't know, I mean, I kind of like what Trump's doing. Right. Like, that was a thing. It's the same sort of momentum that seems to be building for Spencer Pratt. It's hard to know whether it's real or if it's just an online phenomenon. I guess we don't know that yet. We'll know eventually. But it's so central to the possibility of a rise of Spencer Pratt that you have to, by default, do such a terrible job, which is what Karen Bass has done. This isn't something that can just happen. Like, you know, like a Republican can't get just elected because they're interesting and they run a bunch of ads. Right. Like, you have to have your city burned to the ground while you're in. In Africa. Right. You have to watch homeless person after homeless person. Yeah. That really happened.

[Megyn Kelly]

Literally, their city burned down.

[Guest or Caller]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

She wasn't there. She doesn't seem particularly sorry. And they're seriously thinking about reelecting her.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, well, I mean. And she's leading right now. I mean, we talk about prediction markets all the time on my show. She's leading by a large margin. Spencer Pratt's still only at about a 25, 26% chance of winning that race, according to these markets. And this is after. After I watched Karen Bass, while she's realizing this threat is out there, to go out in front of people and talk about how the big problem they have is that meth addicts don't have teeth and that she needs to have full health care for everyone, not so that we can cure meth addiction, but so that we can get nice new choppers on. Everybody's on the mouth of meth addicts, so I guess they can bite you more efficiently. I don't know what the. No, no, thank you. I'm okay with that.

[Caller Janet]

That.

[Stu Berger]

And this is when she knows she's already got a legitimate challenge here. This isn't, you know, in a period, you know, 12 years ago, I mean, you know, when Barack Obama was running, people were pulling out these clips of him five, six, seven years before the election and saying, look, all these crazy things, and he believes he was smart enough to not say them during the campaign. Most of the time, Karen Bass is still out there just blathering on about this stuff. And, you know, the ads are being run. Some of the best ads running, running for Spencer Pratt are ads running against Spencer Pratt. When they say, hey, Spencer Pratt is against multiple millions of dollars going to build homes for the home for the homeless, or the unhoused, as they called it in the ad. There is a level, there's a certain thing that can happen in politics. It's pretty rare where things can get so miserable. Even people who are ideologically opposed to a conservative viewpoint can throw their hands up and say, look, we just got to have this. I mean, it happened with Rudy Giuliani in New York years ago, and it could happen here with Spencer Pratt. It would be unbelievable to watch that happen.

[Megyn Kelly]

Today is Thursday, the Thursday before Memorial Day weekend. Sadly, here in the Northeast, it's going to be a complete washout. It's very sad. It's supposed to rain all day Saturday, Sunday and Monday, well, part of Monday. And that's going to hamper a lot of people's weekend plans. I'm not sure if that's the reason why Donald Trump Sr. Isn't really committing to going to the wedding of his son, Donald Trump Jr. Which is this weekend. But this sound bite just hit. Look at this.

[Guest or Caller]

He'd like me to go, but it's going to be just a small little private affair and I'm going to try and make it. I'm in the midst. I said, you know, this is not good timing for me. I have a thing called Iran and other things. That's when I can't win. On if I do attend, I get killed. If I don't attend, I get killed. By the fake news, of course I'm talking about. No, but he's got a very person who I've known for a long time and hopefully they're going to have a great marriage.

[Megyn Kelly]

He'd like me to be there. I'm so busy. In his defense, it's a second marriage and reportedly this is out there. This is not, not revealing anything. It's not already out there, but reportedly it's in the Bahamas. So it's a hike. It's not like, you know, just popping over to Mar a Lago or if they're in, in D.C. you know, to wherever in D.C. so I don't know. I'm, I'm thinking I'd probably go. I know Trump adores his children, but what do you make of that?

[Stu Berger]

I mean, look, he's, it's very, very, very Donald Trump that, that entire, that entire clip. Look, if he's, he is president of the United States, I'm sure Donald Trump Jr. Would of course understand that if there was some big breaking thing, he couldn't be there. But it's funny, like, I love how he's like, yeah, you know, I hope it's a good marriage. You know, I hope it lasts for a while. Like the way he thinks about the, about everything going on is there's not that necessarily that classic fatherly warmth that you get out of the clip. But I mean, you do get Donald Trump. And again, his kids have turned out pretty well here, so he must be doing something right.

[Megyn Kelly]

The thing is, Trump does love his kids and actually he's very sweet with his kids. I think he only calls John Jr. Like honey. He calls all of his kids honey or I think it's honey. And he's very loving toward them. Some of the behind the scenes footage of him with his children is actually quite heartwarming. So he definitely loves his child. I guess he's just busy. I guess when you're president it's different. Like, I can't imagine missing my child's wedding first or second. But he's is busy. There is another funny Trump clip that I have got to show you. So Trump, it is not a mystery to anybody, is obsessed with looks. Maxing, you might say. He, he very much appreciates people who are hot. He does. He remarks on it all the time. You know, he's very focused on looks. And let's face it, we're a looks based society. I focus on people's looks too. He's not alone in that. So he goes to speak at the Coast Guard graduation ceremony yesterday. Stu. And let me play you what he said before I show you what happened

[Guest or Caller]

next for the last four straight years, which they think may be an all time record. Congratulations to Thomas Rhodes. Thomas, get up here, please. Want to see? I want to check him out. Whoa. Oh, he's. We're not going to fight with him. I'm not fighting him. I'm not. This is not ufc. Please understand that. Thomas, look at this guy. Look at the muscles on this guy. Thank you. Thank you very much. Just hit him on the shoulder. I hurt my hand. It's like hitting a rock. That's great, Thomas. That's fantastic.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, so it's amazing because we've been laughing and sharing behind the scenes on my team these videos by a guy named Branson Dietz, who, sorry, Gates, who long before this, has been taking various Trump clips. It's not a politics thing, it's just a comedy thing. And like mouthing them, he does. He mouths over them with Trump's voice as though he's gay. Like from the perspective of being a gay man. Okay, let me just. I can't explain it. Just watch. He just, he did this one just now. Watch.

[Guest or Caller]

I hate good looking men. We also have the only cadet who earned a perfect score on every single fitness test. Now we're talking fitness. Do you know who this is already? Wow, this guy must be something. I think we'll have to invite him up. I want to check it out. Congratulations to Thomas Rhodes. Thomas, get up here, please. Want to see?

[Megyn Kelly]

See?

[Guest or Caller]

I want to check him out. Look at this guy. Look at the muscles on this guy. Just hit him on the shoulder. I hurt my hand. It's like hitting a rock. That's great, Thomas. That's fantastic.

[Megyn Kelly]

Over the podcast listeners, you just see this guy who looks gay, acting kind of gay, doing gay hand movements. If there is such a thing to that same soundtrack. It's very clever. This is the way in which the Internet is used for good stu.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, it is. And by the way, going back to our previous conversation here we are people who appreciate a lot of the stuff that Trump does. You know, he's as president of the United States, we like many of his policies here we are laughing, right? Because it's. You can laugh at your own side. You can. They could have laughed at Joe Biden on Colbert. They could have. It's not that we have a problem him that you're making fun of Donald Trump. It would be nice if you just did it in a way that prioritized the comedy, Right? Like if you actually care.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, make me laugh.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, make us laugh. We can. It brings us together. That's what the late night shows used to do. If you had a president, if you loved Ronald Reagan, you loved, you loved Barack Obama, in theory, it would be great that you could you go on there. You get someone who's criticizing your own side, you laugh at a little bit. I've had a lot of laughs at Donald Trump's expense over the years.

[Guest or Caller]

Years.

[Stu Berger]

And he's had many as well.

[Megyn Kelly]

They're totally ready to laugh. They will laugh at Donald Trump. They'll laugh with him. They'll laugh at him. They're not incapable of doing that. It's just that everything that these late night guys produce is so full of bile that you're not laughing, you're recoiling. I've got one more. He goes by Bran hatton online. Here's thought 11. There were a number of people who were very, very scared. How worried worried were you that there were going to be injuries?

[Guest or Caller]

I wasn't worried. I understand life. We live in a crazy world. I didn't want to see what was Happening because I did watch because I could see what was going on at the door. I also saw a lot of very strong, physically strong, really attractive law enforcement people come through those doors. And frankly, it made me feel very safe. Very, very safe. There's nobody going to get by them.

[Megyn Kelly]

The counter assault team that comes in,

[Guest or Caller]

they were very impressive. I think they were very impressive.

[Stu Berger]

That's great.

[Megyn Kelly]

I've never seen those clips playing with his necklace. Oh my gosh, he's so funny. It's such a funny imagining of Trump.

[Stu Berger]

It is funny too. It is one of those things where you don't really think about the words that he's saying. Sometimes he just kind of goes off on these. That's a great bit. That guy's incredible.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know, I mean, this guy's on the lookout for anything referencing somebody's appearance. That was after, of course, the latest assassination attempt, which was an odd place to find Trump remarking on the good looks and muscles of the security team. But it's one of those things I'll bet you just like every, every gay man I know has wanted to know whether any personality I anchored with at Fox News was gay. I'll bet you there are a lot of gay men out there who are really hoping there's a chance on Trump, cuz he's strong, he's older now, but he's still like, you know, a lot of people like a strong man.

[Caller Janet]

Yeah.

[Stu Berger]

I don't know. He's had a pretty high appreciation of female beauty over the years. So I'm, I'd hate to let those gentlemen down, but I don't think that that big announcement's coming.

[Megyn Kelly]

No. Yeah, I think it's more about his appreciation for looks that is any attraction. A quick last one here. Set 12.

[Guest or Caller]

Look at the muscles in this guy. Excuse me, could you stand up? Look at that guy. You and the beautiful white shirt. Would you look at this guy? Holy mackerel. I'm looking at him. I always wanted to look like that. I just didn't want to do the work. You look good. Don't let anyone stop you. You look good.

[Stu Berger]

Those are incredible.

[Megyn Kelly]

So funny, right? He's so good. I'm really into this guy behind the scenes. We've been laughing about this for a long time. Okay, let's keep going. Hollywood remains woke as ever, unfortunately. Just when you think like they've learned their lesson, they prove that you are wrong. And I think you guys have talked about this on your show, but the Odyssey now, first of all, who decided it would be a good idea to make a movie out of the book no one wanted to read and no one enjoyed in high school. Right? Like, the Odyssey was like the. It's like a doorstopper book that you were like, when will it end? Good gracious. It went on forever. It was so boring. That's what I remember at the Odyssey. Like, who's like, Homer, that's a good idea. Anyway, they're doing it and they're. Hold on a second. I'm trying to find my packet on this standby. The guy who produced Oppenheimer is putting this together. Christopher Nolan. And in, instead of, for example, having a white woman play Helen of Troy said to, you know, mythologically be the most beautiful woman in the world and described as extremely white. In the book, it mentions that she's white armed and. Or pale armed. And there are other references. It's played by. It's going to be played by a black woman by Lupita Nyong'. Okay, so at Matt Walsh, you know, he kind of put it better than I could, but he writes, not one person on the planet actually thinks that Lupita Nyong' o is the most beautiful woman in the world. But Christopher Nolan think he knows that he would be called racist if he gave the most beautiful woman role to a white woman. Nolan is technically talented, he says, but a coward, too afraid to do anything other. Anything that even slightly challenges the spirit of the age. We're told we should not object to Helen of Troy being portrayed by a black woman. And yet if a major Hollywood studio made a film set in Africa and cast a white woman as the most beautiful woman in Africa, those same people would literally riot in the streets. He's 100% right. And it's not just the role of Helen of Troy. Nyong' o also plays Helen of Troy's sister from the novel. And in addition to that, you've got Elliot Page. Hello, Ellen Page, who's masquerading very badly, by the way, as a male these days. Who's going to be cast in it, reportedly as Achilles, who's male. Again, the character is male, and they've chosen a fake male who's not in any way heroic. And Achilles is a tragic Greek hero who Odysseus meets in the underworld. Odysseus is played by Matt Damon. So you've got Elliot Page in there, and then you've got Travis Scott, who I think is the father of one of the Kardashian babies, and a singer is going to be in the movie as well, as a professional poet, singer and storyteller, I don't know why, but we both know that Hollywood has these diversity rules now that lead to all sorts of weird and inappropriate casting decisions. And Christopher Nolan is hashtag part of the problem still.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, it's a very strange story. I mean, you know, I get, I get granted, these are mythological figures, right? I mean, it's not like. And we wouldn't put this past Hollywood where they have done this and they've taken actual African American actors and put them in the role of real historical figures who were white. I mean, that's even more offensive to me than this. But again, I look at this and I say, you're trying to tell this story. There's no reason to do this. And you would, as you point out, never do it the opposite way. I was looking back at this. I think it's been about 2, 20 some odd years since something like this happened. Right. Where the opposite occurred, where you put a white person in a role of an African American.

[Megyn Kelly]

I can't do that.

[Stu Berger]

You can't do that. And nor, you know, look, it did happen for a real long time. Like, that was a real thing that happened in our history going back a long ways. I don't think it's something that we wanted. We want to come back having some sort of historical accuracy. And again, while it is a myth, a mythology, they do say the pale arms thing is in there, right? Like there is a description, so it would make sense. We saw this with Snow White, right? Where you're like, wait a minute, white is in the title. You know, you'd think that they would do this.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Stu Berger]

And then, and then you have this, the sad, sad story of Ellen Page, who I think actually was great, like when she was. I mean, Juno is a great movie. I. I love Juno. I stand by that movie. I think it's a great.

[Megyn Kelly]

Pretty too.

[Stu Berger]

Very, very pretty. And I honestly think that whole movie, that particular movie, Juno, which, you know, wound up being viewed positively by, like, pro life people like me, really screwed with her head. Honestly. Ever since that happened, she's been on this, like, constant tour to prove she swears that she doesn't actually like people who are pro life or something, there's been this kind of retribution against what people wind up perceiving her as after that movie. And again, again, you know, she's an actress again. I didn't think that she was. She agreed with me on that issue. She just. They just put a somewhat positive light on 50% of the country for for an hour and a half. And that just. That was seemingly enough to throw her into this spiral that winds up her being Elliot and playing some role in this movie, which I. I don't know if it's Achilles. I've heard that. Maybe it's not. Maybe it's another role. But whatever it is, if she's credited as Elliot, she's already playing a role before the movie begins.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, that's exactly right. It's sad to me. What's happened to Ellen Page is sad to me. I mean, she was this pretty and very talented actress who America fell in love with in that movie. And she's obviously very unwell. I mean, that's what's true. She's obviously very unwell to have done this to herself. And we're supposed to. Supposed to celebrate this. She. She poses like, proudly with her scarred chest showing where her breasts used to be. And we're supposed to celebrate her, and we're actually supposed to buy the lie that she's a man. This is like, you know, they just. There's been a big debate on the left about whether they should release. The dnc, should release this autopsy report about why it lost the 2024 election, which is like, okay. I mean, I don't care whether they do or they don't. I mean, I know what. They lost the election. There are a lot of reasons. Number one is Kamala Harris sucks. But really above that is their far left insanity. You know, they're chopping off the body parts of healthy children. Okay, how's that? I've summed it up for you. You don't need to see your autopsy. But it is now they've released it. I guess this guy who's running the dnc who nobody knows about. What's his name? Ken Martin. He, while under pressure from the guys at Pod Save and elsewhere, finally said, okay, I'll release. Seems to be rather boring based on what I've seen. I've just read a summary, but one of the. One of the things they do point out in the summary is the trans stuff. And in particular, they point to that transgender focused ad that Trump released. Kamala's for they them. Trump is for you, remember? And it pointed out that she wanted to pay for the sex change operations of prisoners in California, which was a real thing. And like Elliot, whether it's Elliot Page and Hollywood doing this and forcing this character on us as a male, as like someone who's supposed to be like a badass male in. In Folklore, or it's Kamala Harris trying to make us get involved in actually pay for chopping people's healthy body parts off so they can pretend there's something they're not. This is what. But this is why Republicans have still at least a shot in the midterms still. You know, I mean, it's been like they've been quiet. The Democrats have been smart, very, very uncharacteristically smart. Over the past four months, they've kept their mouths shut and let Trump twist in the wind over the Iran war and the economy where he remains. Because the latest polls out of from Fox News are dreadful for Trump and the Republicans. But this kind of thing does remind us of what's behind the other curtain, and it's no good.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah, no, you're totally right. I mean, really, what they need to do is just get out of the way. If they get out of the way of themselves and allow nature to take course in the midterms, likely they're going to win not because of anything magical that they have on their own, but because history, year election after election after election in a midterm, the party in power, when to it comes, comes to the President of the United States almost always loses seats outside of massively outlier type situations like 9, 11. Right. It's very difficult. We did a thing on this, on my show, predictable where you go back and you look through history and it's something like 9% of the time, 9% of the time you're able to defend the House going back a century. It's incredibly difficult to do. Then add onto that that we are looking at 4 and 5 and $6 gas around, around the country right now. You have a very unpopular situation in Iran. This isn't something that is testing well at all. You have economic problems, you have even, you know, you look at the core of who moved toward Trump in 2024. A lot of those gains happened among Hispanic voters who have been kind of turned off as some of the, of the policies of this particular run for Trump. And, you know, all that adding up. This should be just cake, frankly, for Democrats. They honestly, if they just don't yell out things like, you know, defund the police and that boy is actually a girl because of a series of magic words we've contrived. If they could stay away from that stuff.

[Megyn Kelly]

Trans men are women.

[Stu Berger]

Trans men are women. They should be playing, they should be wrestling against your daughter and throwing them to the ground and spiking volleyball balls into their heads. These are not difficult policies to stay

[Megyn Kelly]

away from Open border is humane.

[Stu Berger]

Right? You don't need, you don't need to do a lot again, go back to Los Angeles. Just don't burn down the city and you win. That's how easy this is. But they can't even stay out of their way that much. And because of, you know, we were, you look at the, you know, the prediction markets had had the Democrats rise from about 58% before November's election all the way up to about 85. That has now drizzled down a little bit to 72, 73%. Largely because a lot of these rulings, when it comes to the redistricting offerings of Virginia getting overturned, the Supreme Court case that has these Southern states now redistricting and getting rid of some of these majority minority districts, all that boring stuff aside, it is giving the Republicans now a chance that if they can turn around some of these things that are affecting real people when it comes to the economy, when it comes to gas prices, when it comes to them being seeing a vision of a war that might not be ending for years and years and years and years, that type of stuff, if they can cure that and there's a small window for it here in the next few months, they can turn that around and put it behind them. People could see things going in the right direction. There actually is an opportunity here only because Donald Trump is blessed with the dumbest enemies possible. Right? Like, it is really something he has. And if they just continue to do the stupid things that they continue to do, there is an opportunity. There's a small window. It's not gonna be easy for Republicans, but it does exist.

[Megyn Kelly]

They're gonna need it. They're gonna need to be reminded of what is over on Team Blue because honestly, like, these Fox News polls are so bad, Stu, horrible. And the audience should know. I know the Fox News polling unit very well. I, I've worked with them for years. Even though it's Fox which leans right, the polling unit is independent. They don't lean right. So if there's ever, like a good poll for Trump, the left will say, oh, well, it's Fox News. No, that's not how it works. They play it straight down the middle. So this one will be no better or worse for Trump than any other outlet. In fact, Fox polls tend to be, in my experience, the best polls. I trust the Fox poles approvals implicitly, but what they're showing is that he now has an approval rating of 39%. It's down 3 points since last month. It's 1 point above Trump's lowest number ever, which was October 2017. So his lowest ever is 38. Fox News showing him at 39% approval. His net approval on the key issues shows on inflation, he's underwater with the voters by 52 points. By 52, he's negative 52. On inflation, he's negative 42. On the economy, he's negative 24. On foreign policy, they don't like the China summit, he's underwater there, not minus eight. He's underwater on immigration, minus eight. He's even underwater on border security. Minus two, he's underwater with white non college men who he was plus 17 with last March. March a year ago, 25. Now he's down minus eight in the Fox News poll, which is a 25 point swing to the negative with white non college men. That's Trump's base. His approval as it is at an all time low. Amongst Republicans, it's at 80% but that's an all time low. And non MAGA Republicans, people who are now calling themselves America first because Trump says MAGA means you love Mark Levin and many of us don't. That's an approval rating of just 54%. So these are bad. And I've got to play the sound bite for you of a woman named Janet who's an MK show listeners do. And you know, after we like we, we do the show live on SiriusXM 12 to 2, as you know, because you're here doing it with me right now, Monday through Friday and then we release it as a podcast and a YouTube show. But, but after our show on Sirius XM, Emily Jashinsky hosts an hour of we call it the Wrap up show. And a lot of the audience will call in. I actually love listening to it. Like if I'm, if I leave and I can get to the radio, I always turn it on. And I love listening to the audience and some of them rip on me and some of them agree with me, but I love them all. And this particular day, a woman named Janet from Long island called this is just Monday and listen to what she said. It actually it's made some news. This woman's call. Take a listen. Heading now to Janet in Long Island. You're on the Megyn Kelly Wrap Up Show. What's on your mind?

[Caller Janet]

I'm Phil Abandoned. I'm a Trump die hard. I'm 68. My husband's 69. We're never going to stop working. He's a contract electrician. We built our house. We're going to have to Move out of Dixville because The taxes are $16,000. I don't want to quit working because Medicare is too much money. So I get benefits where I work. He has abandoned the middle class. He has to show us that all those people on bar stools across America, you know, hard working construction guys, plumbers, the people that stood up to him when it wasn't popular to stand up for him. He needs to help us. Give us back black tax, anything just make our life easier. Like he'd be listening to the wrong people. And yeah, when he started that war, I didn't sign up for it. When I had my first boy, I'm a girl, I'm one of five girls. And when I had my son, the first thing I popped my head up and said, oh my God, he could be drafted. I don't want my children or my friend's children dying in a war that has nothing to do with us.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's very powerful. And by the way, thank you for calling in Janet and sharing that. And I think Stu, he's going to have to address Janet's concerns and the millions of voters who are feeling the same who are triple Trump voters if, if he wants his party to turn its fortunes around in, in these November midterms which right, right now do not look good.

[Stu Berger]

No, they don't look good. And you know, while there's been some maybe beneficial movement when it comes to the redistricting thing, you know, that's not enough. You can't win. Even if things were going pretty well, it would be hard for, for them to win. They come in with a 23 seat majority. Right. Just to just minor, minor losses is going to mean the House goes away. That the Senate is at risk certainly. I mean I think most places see it as like a 50, 50 proposition. As the Democrats get win the terrifying that should not have been the way the Senate is set up. Republicans are should be heavily favored. I mean there should be an 80 or 90% chance of them winning. And the fact that it's 50, 50, it's because of people like Jan or

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm sorry to put it so frankly or your child has a chance of turning into an Elliot Page like truly that's this can happen. Like the Democrat party is the one pushing this trans madness on us. Open border madness on us. The only one who's abandoned that is Rahm Emanuel on the Democrat side. Gavin Newsom wants an open border. So does Kamala Harris. She's reportedly running again. I haven't seen one other Democrat say No. That they would keep Trump's border the way it is. The risks are extremely high in stacking in particular the Senate with more Dems. Sorry to interrupt. Keep going.

[Stu Berger]

No, no, it's true though. I mean, I think there is a, one of the things that I think hits hard about the trans issue in particular is not necessarily about trans issues. I, I honestly would argue that most Americans really don't want to think about it. You know, I, we understand that people go through things and there's difficult things they're dealing with. And honestly, like, I got enough stuff going on in my own life. I don't really want to think about what you're doing with, with your, with your reproductive organs. Frankly. I, I, I think the average American is like, I just want to look the other way and move on with my life and get to the restaurant or whatever I'm doing. But what, where that hit, I think centrally to people as a, as a campaign issue is that it hit at a very fundamental thing that we need, which is truth. We must be able to agree that when a person is born a man or a boy and they grow up and they become a man, they can't with a series of magical words. They can't say abracadabra. Absolutely. Or Beetlejuice a certain amount of times to change their gender. We all understand everybody, including those people on the left that embrace those policies and go on television and act like they believe them. None of them believe that is a true thing. None of them believe that is possible, but they say it anyway. And that feels like people have abandoned the fundamental precept of America. Right. That we're going to be here, we're common sense people and we're going to go forward and we're going to just say the things that are true. And all of that is really, really important. And it is a core issue. But typically what happens when it comes to elections, and I would say even more central with off year elections and midterms, is that if they are getting hit in the face constantly with issues that are affecting them more, the trans issue is really important because it hits a truth.

[Megyn Kelly]

Truth.

[Stu Berger]

But most people aren't interacting with those issues on a day to day basis. Some are and they're really important to talk about.

[Megyn Kelly]

Janet's worried about her wallet.

[Stu Berger]

She's worried about her wallet. She's paying her bills, her kids or grandkids, right. That that's what they care about. And in the absence of those issues, a lot of times people will be able to focus on other Important things. When those things slap you in the face, the ideology goes out of the window. Honestly, with a lot of people, even if they believe in a lot of the things that Donald Trump cares. Cares about it, they believe that he is doing a good job on a good portion. And I think there is a good portion to argue on his behalf from this presidency. If this stuff happens. And the result of it is we have a president who is basically trying to convince people that their economic situation is better than it is. Hey, you should recognize we actually are in the golden age of America. I mean, Trump has made these arguments very recently. We've done it, we're there, we've solved these problems. That's what Joe Biden tried to do with Biden omics. Right. He tried to say Biden omics is working. And the American people said, no, it's not. We're the ones dealing with it. And we're saying, no, there is an opening here, but it is. We're almost to summer here, Megan. You know, the, the concept of turning this around.

[Megyn Kelly]

Let me tell you what happens, too. Let me tell you what happens in the summer. As somebody who's been in News for 24 years. In the summer, everybody's numbers go down. People kind of turn off the news. Please continue listening to the Megyn Kelly show, but. And also predictable with Stu. But in general, they always go, like, softer in the summer because people are out living their lives. They're outside, they're enjoying themselves. They have time off. That is not a great time for Trump to then burst onto the scene with new messaging because people aren't going to hear it. Nowhere near the number he needs are going to hear it now. They come back in the fall, so he'll have that time. But now we're really talking about a crunched timeline. People go back to school the beginning of September, so Now you have 60 days until the midterms. It's not a lot of time.

[Stu Berger]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, like, he needs to be laser, like, focused on not just talking about their economic problems now, but actually fixing them. You know, because the messaging. He's been saying lately that what I heard him this week was saying was the market, the market's doing so well that no one cares about that. That's something rich people care about. You know, it's like the market is sort of a luxury belief. You, you might have some 401k money in there, but that's something you're trying not to tap into when you're younger and not yet retired. It definitely isn't going to help you with your grocery bills or your, your, you know, tuition bill or your hope for a vacation this year. You know, like they need immediate relief on, in particular, inflation, which he's -52 on that in particular. And honestly, like, that's directly tied to the, the Iran war and the increased oil prices and energy prices, which are driving everything up from, you know, gas prices to groceries. So there is, there's the honest truth. Truth, that's, that's where it is. All right, stand by. We got to take a break. But we come back and we have more with Stubergear right after this. Let's talk about an uncomfortable reality. What happens financially to our loved ones once we are no longer here. We put off thinking about it for obvious reasons, but the best thing we can do for our family is to ensure that they are not left with a financial burden of mortgage, tuition, medical bills, all of it. Fortunately, taking steps to financially protect your family is easier nowadays than it used to be. And that's where Ethos comes in. Ethos makes getting life insurance fast and easy and 100% online. You can get a quote in seconds, apply in minutes, and even get same day coverage. There's no medical exam and all you need to do is just answer a few simple health questions and boom, Bob's your uncle. You can get up to 3 million bucks in coverage. You get the lowest rate from their network of trusted carriers with some policies as low as $30 a month.

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[Megyn Kelly]

Hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius xm. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halperin, Lake Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Jasinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear politics, and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly channel, SiriusXM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. Stu Bergier is back with me now. Stu, there is a very disturbing legal case out of the UK right now which is one of those cases that speaks volumes about where a society is and our friends across the pond need help. They've just lost their way over there. They are so obsessed with identity politics. They hate white people. They've surrendered their culture to an influx of people from some very problematic countries who are now objecting to the British flag flying at all as somehow an act of aggression move. Shown the audience the videos and now this. There was a young man named Henry nowak. He was 18 years old and in his first year of college studying accounting. In December of 2023, he was walking home from a night out with friends and he had been drinking but was still at the place where he could drive legally. He did not have a high blood alcohol contact blood alcohol content. He ran into a man named Vikram Digua, who's Sikh, who's 23 years old, so five years older than Henry. This guy Vikram was carrying an 8 inch long knife and along with something called a kirpan which is a ceremonial blade. Now, in the uk, you're not allowed to carry certain knives in public unless, yes, it's a religious exemption. And this kind of knife is permitted under one of those exemptions. So you can see this is the type of knife that we're showing on the board, not the actual. But my God, look at it. I mean, it's amazing that this thing is legal to carry around. It looks like a long, curved dagger that you would not want to find anywhere near you. So these two ran into each other and Nowak Henry managed to record a video on his phone. We don't have any of the elements because they haven't released them, but it shows that that Henry was speaking to friends on Snapchat when he came across Vikram Digua. They did exchange words. Henry is heard saying in it, bad man. What bad man? You're a bad man. Say you're a bad man. Go on and dig. What responded? I am a bad man. Henry. Nowak replied, are you a B before the footage cuts off. So we don't know what he was saying there. What we do know is shortly after that, police were called to the scene. They placed Henry Nowak under arrest and Digua claimed that he'd been racially abused by Henry, which we understand is why Henry was placed under arrest. The brother of Digua said, we've just been attacked by someone racially. We got attacked racially by some white person. The brother said, they physically attacked my brother. We're Sikhs, we wear turbans. And he attacked my brother. The police arrived. Their body cam footage was shown in court. They're trying to place Henry Nowak under arrest as he says to the officers, I've been stabbed, I've been stabbed. I can't breathe. They put the handcuffs on him. He was now lying down on his side, telling the officers, I've been stabbed, I can't breathe. They didn't believe him. The officer told Henry he was under arrest for suspicion of assault because that's what Digua and the brother were saying. Nowak repeated, I've been stabbed. I've been stabbed. A male voice believed to belong to the police officer said, I don't think you have, mate. The prosecutor alleges that Digua did not seek help, for the man did not step in to say to the police, he has indeed been stabbed by me. He knew he had stabbed Henry. Henry was telling the truth and he had stabbed him in the lung. And the. The man, as he laid dying was saying, I can't breathe because he'd been stabbed in the lung. The cops did not believe him. And his assailant, who was claiming to be the victim of, quote, a racial assault, of which there is zero evidence, stood there and watched him die. After Noah collapsed, the police started rendering aid. Digua's mother is also under arrest, by the way, and on trial because she removed the murder weapon from the scene and then hit it at her home, where police later recovered it. The defendant was interviewed by police five times. He refused to answer any questions. Instead, he submitted a statement in which he said he was walking toward his brother's car when no act who he said was intoxicated, came at me and racially and physically abused me. He claimed he was petrified and pulled out his phone to record his attack. And yet what we have here is that the victim's phone was found on Digua. He. He took Henry's phone and he didn't help Henry. He let him die. As the police didn't believe this kid, who happened to be white, was dying of injuries from that knife stuck into his lung. This is so horrific. Elon Musk is now promising to pay for the legal fees if Henry's family wants to file a wrongful death lawsuit against the police who did not believe him, you know, as he lay dying. And what's clearly going on here, I believe, is identity politics did not allow the police to understand that there could be a true dynamic in which the white boy was the victim and the dark skinned man was the assailant, and that the claims of racial attacks were apparently untrue. Your thoughts on it?

[Stu Berger]

That's an unbelievable story. This is the stuff that shouldn't be happening. I mean, I think we could all rewind back 50 or 100 years and think to ourselves, you could see a situation where the opposite would happen, right? Where maybe a time where we were doing things the wrong way and everyone can now acknowledge that where maybe and this has happened. There are stories of this where white people would claim they were being attacked by a black person and the police would show up and they would just, you know, assume the black person was the bad one in that action. And I kind of thought we all agreed that was the wrong way to do things that pick, you know, deciding these incidents based on skin color was the wrong approach. And for whatever reason, the left wants to bring that back in Europe and in England and all over that entire vicinity that seems to be even farther along than we are here. But we're on that same road. This. Suck that stuff out. Stop thinking about identity. Stop thinking about whether someone is take gender and take take skin color and all these factors out, these immutable characteristics should not be the story. And over and over again the left and the media wants to make it the story. It's the wrong way to go. The colorblind society was right. We got something right. We should continue to go after that ideal even though it is difficult for human beings to achieve it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well said. Great to see you Stu. Everybody check out Stu over on Predictable and we will be back tomorrow with Kelly's Court. See you. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.