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Shock Allegations Against Female Finance Exec, and LA's Own Socialist, with Adam Carolla, Plus Joseph Massey's Powerful New Poetry Book | Ep. 1307
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Adam Carolla, host of "The Adam Carolla Show," to discuss the shocking story of a female JP Morgan executive being accused of sexual harassment by a male subordinate, the obscene details within his lawsuit, whether the story is believable or there's something else going on, podcaster Alex Cooper’s terrible advice for women, her urging women to have sex on the first date, why young women especially should ignore her advice, Olivia Wilde’s “unwell” appearance, how many celebrities and politicians appear to be on Ozempic now, Jasmine Crockett’s narcissism, her never failing to bring up her race, the potential for Los Angeles to get its own socialist mayor like Mamdani in Nithya Raman, her insane past comments about homelessness and crime, and more. Then Joseph Massey, author of "Invisible Current," joins to discuss his new poetry book, powerful poems including a tribute to Charlie Kirk and a reflection on the seasons, what inspired the book, and more. Caroll...
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Megyn Kelly
LifeLock.com Pandora terms apply. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. Coming up, the official Megyn Kelly Show. Poet Joseph Massey will be here. He is out with a new must read book of beautiful poetry. It, it basically takes you into the change of seasons in upstate New York. So that's near and dear to my heart. And that's one of the great things about living in any of our states that have the change of seasons, right? We have to suffer. We suffer indeed through the long, long winter months and for some of us, a very long rainy spring. But it's beautiful and the changing of it, like the, you know, the flowering trees right now in Connecticut are stunning. You earn every second of your summer, so it's extra precious to you. The falls are second to none and then the winters are gorgeous in December, January, February, March. Okay, he's got a new book of poetry and we need a little something, don't we? Is it just me or do you need a little something right now? It's just been like a long cold winter. It's been a tough time in the news and like the war and I know a lot of stuff. So we're really looking forward to reading that book and to having Joseph on. He's been on the show multiple times. Our relationship began long ago when for some reason I thought his name was Paul and I kept calling him Paul and he answered to it because he's a nice guy. But it's not Paul, it's Joseph. And he'll be here in just a bit. Okay, but we're gonna start with one of our dear friends, Adam Carolles here. And boy, do we have a story for him. I was telling my team there's a lot in the news today, but this is really the story that I'm most interested in. It is a shocking lawsuit out of JP Morgan, one of the country's most premier banks, where a male employee alleges harassment and assault, sexual assault by a female boss whom he says committed severe sexual abuse against him. This is a wild Daily Mail exclusive. Like the details of this? Adam will tell us what he thinks. Plus, the sex podcaster lady has some absolutely terrible advice to young women when it comes to first dates. Joining me now, one of our favorites, Adam Carolla. He's host of the Adam Carolla show, which which you can listen to every morning on the Megyn Kelly channel. That's Sirius XM channel 111. Adam has big news. He's about to get his own star on the legendary Hollywood Walk of Fame. Here's a question. How many brokers does it take to insure your business? If you are like most business owners, the answer is too many. Multiple policies, multiple applications, no clear view of how it all fits together. And when questions come up, it's not easy to get the clarity you need. My go just the word insurance. It's like you cower in fear. But super sure changes all that. Truly listen to what they do. It's a one stop shop for all of your business insurance. You don't have to have this policy with that guy, this policy with that gal. Try to figure it out. When something goes wrong, who do I call? Which policy is it? What's included, what's not? This is backed by a team that's going to work with you year round, not just at renewal. And if you've ever stared at a policy wondering what in God's name it actually covers, super sure has a fine print fax tool that will translate the legal jargon into plain English so you know what's covered and what's not. Right now you can go to super sure.com and get a full report on your current policies with zero obligation. Find out if you're overinsured, maybe you have too many policies or you've paid too much for them. Underinsured or somewhere in between. Go to super sure.com, one super agency, one powerful platform. All of your policies in one place and somebody to help you understand them. Go to supersure.commegan today. That's supersure.commegan. paid for by Supersure Insurance Agency, LLC, a licensed insurance company. Adam, congratulations. It's an honor that you spend any time with us still, given that you're finally being recognized as you should have been long ago.
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Adam Carolla
Well, this will be my last appearance, obviously, because there'll be no appearances after the star goes down. It's all going to be.
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Megyn Kelly
I understand.
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Adam Carolla
Network after all.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you for the time you've given us.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah. Well, let's enjoy our last voyage together, Meghan. And it's nothing personal, you understand. It's my publicist. I can't cross her.
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Megyn Kelly
As soon as I saw it, I thought it's a good news, bad news
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Adam Carolla
situation for I told somebody with the star. Somebody brought it up. I have not been bringing it up, but somebody else brought it up and they said, where would you like your star? And I'd never thought about it because there's a lot of places you can put that star. So I thought about it and I said, well, nowhere near Donald Trump's star. And the person looked at me and they said, why? You don't like Donald Trump? And I said, no, I like Donald Trump. But twice a week in la, when the guy at the sledgehammer is coming out to destroy Donald Trump's star, he's going to be walking back to his Prius, he's going to see my star, and he's going to go, oh, well, let's crush this douchebag star. As long as I'm here. So I don't.
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Megyn Kelly
That's a good point.
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Adam Carolla
I don't want it next to his because it's going to be a two for one. I want it near Mark Ruffalo star.
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Megyn Kelly
I think you need it. Don't you want it out? Where do people stand in line all the time in Hollywood at the methadone clinic. There it is. That's.
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Adam Carolla
Now we're thinking right out front, the methadone clinic.
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Megyn Kelly
People are standing there for hours looking at it and thinking about you.
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Adam Carolla
And they're all bent over in that weird folding chair shape. So they're all literally gonna be staring at my star in front of the clinic.
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Megyn Kelly
This. I think we've come up with the ideal location. All right, so have the manager start googling and let me ask you a little question. Why now? Like, what. What is it? Is it like the success of the podcast or like you just get so successful for so many years, they get to the point where they can't deny it Any longer. What's the story? Why now?
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Adam Carolla
I don't know. You know, I think, I think that Hollywood Walk of Fame's. It's sort of like a cancer diagnosis. You just go, I was healthy my whole life. Why now? And they just go, just because. Because it is.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, and who's going to go? Do you invite the ex wife to this?
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Adam Carolla
No, no, no, no. She can't go. I got a restraining order. She has to stay 500 yards. Even if I'm out of town, if I'm in Detroit, she has to stay within 500 meters of my star. That's already been stipulated. It'll be, it'll be a lot of. It'll be the Dr. Drews and the Jimmy Kimmels and the sort came up with.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that'll be actually very cool for you and Jimmy to be out there in public. I mean, he's about to have a whole lot more time on his hands if President Trump gets his way. He just retweeted again today that he wants Kimmel fired. It's very inappropriate. The President of the United States should not be calling for any private company to fire any employee, especially over free speech. But I thought the joke was out of line. Personally, I think you defended him on it. Where do you stand on the Kimmel thing?
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Adam Carolla
I stand on the Kimmel thing. Sort of where I'm at with kind of the James Comey thing, which is, I get it, there's stuff that he's done and stuff you don't like and reasons to dislike Kimmel, but this isn't really going to work. It's not going to hold up in court sort of thing.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, like the Comey thing is unlikely to.
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Adam Carolla
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
Kimmel thing isn't really for court.
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Adam Carolla
Well, I don't mean it's gonna go to court, but I'm just sort of saying in the court of public opinion, when you hear about Jimmy or you hear about Comey, even if you are a staunch Trump reporter, you should. But you're sort of logical and you're free speech and you're sort of pro American. You still have to kind of go, eh, I don't know. I would just kind of keep walking on this one. Which is. Which is not an endorsement of either one of their actions. You know what I'm saying?
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, yeah, totally. My only position on it is ABC set the rules for how we engage in cancel culture. They have lots of examples. They've got many scalps on their wall. And if we're going to Go by ABC slash Disney's standards, then it's not good news for Jimmy. You know, the standard has to be applied even when the person offended is a Republican. But of course, ABC doesn't really operate that way. Okay, I want to get to this J.P. morgan thing. I don't know if you've heard anything about, but if not, fear not. Okay? This is perfect that you're coming to it fresh because you can be our, our jury for the day and tell us what you think. Now, JP Morgan Chase is one of the, if not the biggest bank in America. It's enormous, and it's a lot of people's dream to get a job working there one day. You can make a fortune potentially once. Once hired, it's. It's tough to get fired. They're very good to their people, by all reports, and they've hired a woman who's in some trouble. Now she's on the receiving end of a massive lawsuit, as is J.P. morgan. The woman's name is Lorna Hajdini. H A J D I N I. She's 37 years old. She's an executive director in their leveraged finance division. So good on her. That's a pretty good accomplishment. There's not a ton of women at these banks, so I'm sure she's probably pretty gritty to have made it, but she is being accused now of being a. Me too, er, Adam Carolla. And the plaintiff who has. He's gone under John Doe, has alleged the following. They say in the filing that she coerced him. He's married. She coerced him, he was her subordinate into, quote, non consensual and humiliating sex acts over a period of months, despite his repeated pleas for her to stop. He says JP Morgan enabled the alleged abuse and retaliation against the banker after he reported it, claiming they placed him on involuntary leave, destroyed his reputation and allowed threats against him to continue while she went unpunished. In early May 2024, he alleges that she dropped her pen on the floor. This is the first move. Adam dropped her pen on the floor next to his desk and while bending to pick it up, rubbed his leg and squeezed his calf. He claims she then remarked, oh, you did play basketball in college. I love basketball players. Then she said, sorry, this is a little R rated. They get me so wet. There's just no way of going through this without feeling uncomfortable. Later. That may do. Said in the complaint that Hajdini invited him out for drinks, but he declined. In response, she is alleged to have said if you don't F me soon, I'm gonna ruin you. Never forget I effing own you twice. John Doe claims Hajdini propositioned him for oral sex in the office, on one occasion asking birthday BJ for the brown boy.
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Adam Carolla
Wow,
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Megyn Kelly
It gets better, my little brown boy, she added. When Doe claims he continued to resist her advances, she allegedly threatened professional retribution, telling him if he wanted to be promoted to executive director, he would need to start pleasing her. You're going to need to earn it, my little Arab boy toy. She allegedly told him during a work social event at her private members club. Why was he at her private members club? One asks. Work social event? You could decline in any event. During the same event, he. He claims she repeatedly groped his groin under the table, then spat in her hands and ran them all over his neck and his head.
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Adam Carolla
Wow.
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Megyn Kelly
Now, if any of this is true, this gal needs to learn work on her flirtation routine. I'm not sure most guys want you to spit all over their head.
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Adam Carolla
Well, you know, I tend to believe specificity. Like when I hear really specific stuff, it makes me believe it more because it's hard to say. It's hard to manufacture spitting in your hand and rubbing it on someone's neck. It's really super specific. In general. My general take on this kind of stuff is dudes need to just grow a pair and just kind of keep walking. Now this is getting to the rev limiter of abuse. And maybe it's just the way I grew up, but I have had situations where there were girls that, you know, I worked with or whatever. I knew what they wanted, I understood sort of what they'd say. They'd have a few drinks at the after party and say something. But I was like, I'm a big boy. I don't have. I can just keep walking. I don't have to say anything. I don't need to report anybody. Now, they weren't my superior, and so they weren't retarding my growth in the company. And that is a part of this. You know, if this is just basic peer on peer, we're both in the mail room. You got the horny chick over there. I would tell the guy, brush it off and rub some dirt on it and keep walking. But if it is in fact a superior who is saying, I will not advance you in your career if you do not, you know, succumb to my carnal ways, well, then that is a thing. And I would tend to take his side only on that part. The sexual part is like just men need to get back into being men. They really do. There's nothing a woman can do to you, as bizarre as it is. It's always flattering.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, now wait, let me give you the second part. Okay? See if this moves you at all in that position. He says alleges in the summer of 24, Hajdini showed up at an apartment where John Doe was staying, knowing he would be there. He says that she allegedly made sexual advances on him, which he rebuffed, insisting he was not interested. Do you want to get promoted at year end or not? She warned him, according to the lawsuit. Do you want a future, JP Morgan? It's that simple. I don't know why you're fighting this. She then allegedly removed her shirt, began fondling her breasts and racially insulted Do's wife, remarking, I bet your little Asian fish head wife doesn't have these cannons.
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Adam Carolla
Adam. Starting to like this lady.
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Megyn Kelly
Does he include her number in. In the complaint? Okay, I'm going forward. Doe claims that then. Then Hajini forcibly removed his pants and performed oral sex on him against his wishes. He continued to protest and began to cry.
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Adam Carolla
Wow.
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Megyn Kelly
He alleged in the loss. I'm coming back to that with you, Adam. We're coming. I'm circling. Return there with Adam. She allegedly admonished him for crying and scolded him for failing to achieve an erection. Stop effing crying. You think anyone would ever believe you? You're an effing douchebag who thinks he's hot, but you can't even get your d. Hard for me. What the f. Is this? She allegedly said she then ordered him to perform oral sex on her, ignoring his pleas of don't make me do this. Oh, wait, I'm circling. To be returned to. Afraid that Ms. Hashdini would act on her threats to retaliate against him, John Doe, embarrassed and humiliated, complied with her demands and I guess, went down on her. Doe claims that he was assaulted again later the same month. During the second encounter, she allegedly ordered him to suck her toes at him. She pushed him to the ground. She sat on his face berating him while he was unable to sustain arousal. This is a pattern. I'm very uncomfortable. Please, Lorna, please, I'm begging you. Doe claims he told her, but she allegedly laughed before making a racist remark that at least his genitals didn't taste like Curry.
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Adam Carolla
Curry. Okay. Wow.
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Megyn Kelly
There's more. Let's. Let's pause because we gotta. We gotta get caught up together.
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Adam Carolla
Okay?
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Megyn Kelly
She's a racist, abusive, very demanding Mocking boss.
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Adam Carolla
Okay, well, here's what I. If I was doing discovery as an attorney, I would say there's no way a woman makes it to age 40 or whatever she is without some other incidents or examples of this in her past. You can't just turn into this person on your 37th birthday. You've. You are that kind of person. Like, there is has to be other people to corroborate this story. Like folks she worked with eight years ago when she was coming up. You know, I mean, it's a, you know, when you get into this kind of behavior, like a Weinstein type guy, maybe a Swalwell type situation, it's never one and done. It's never isolated. It's a theme. It's who you are. You know what I mean?
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Megyn Kelly
It's like, very good point.
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Adam Carolla
And it's by the.
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Megyn Kelly
There should be a line of witnesses out the door.
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Adam Carolla
It's kind of sexually. Your sort of fingerprint. Sexually is really who you are. You don't bounce around that much. Like I always told everybody, if you're gonna cheat, when you cheat, do stuff you never do with your wife. Cause later on when she's reporting what happened, your wife. That's not Bernie. That is not Bernie. He would never pleasure me for an hour and then say, and then pick me roses. That is not.
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Megyn Kelly
It's very thoughtful of you to help people that way. You're a giver like that.
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Adam Carolla
I also have an invention for a condom with a birthmark on the condom. So later on, if it ends up in court, they can go, his penis had a very distinctive birthmark. And then I would go, your honor, exhibit A. Nothing. That would work too.
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Megyn Kelly
Megan, this is how you spend your downtime, thinking about these things.
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Adam Carolla
Sometimes I do it during my uptime, so.
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Megyn Kelly
My God, I'm listening to Cliffs on the Iran war. You're doing that. That sounds a lot more fun.
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Adam Carolla
So she has to have had to have done this to another employee. And my thing is, if I'm in the jury, I'm like, if three more people come forward, this bitch is guilty. But it's very specific.
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Alex Cooper
But do you.
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Megyn Kelly
It's very specific, plausible that he protested and started to cry as she was saying, your little Asian fish head wife doesn't have these cannons, right? And then forcibly removed his pants and was going down on him and he was crying. He was standing there crying. I'm sorry, I don't believe that at all.
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Adam Carolla
I think what you're dealing with, first off, there's no such thing as being a Huge profitable entity and not getting sued for the entire length of that business. Everybody who's successful is going to get sued now. That's it. And if you're JP Morgan, I imagine there's 25 to 75 lawsuits going on concurrently at once. Right? Everybody?
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Megyn Kelly
Yes.
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Adam Carolla
So I think what's going on here is she. I got a couple thoughts. She sounds like an alcoholic to me. This sounds like a person who drinks and gets and loses control. I think you would find out usually the sexual stuff, but when you start weaving in the racial insults, this sounds like somebody was drinking before they came over to the guy's apartment. The I'm going to your apartment on a Wednesday night is definitely. You had a couple of pops before you headed over there. And, you know, the fish head, Asian and the. All the curry, all that stuff, which I love, is all, I think, motivated by alcohol. So I'm gonna say. Let's see.
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Megyn Kelly
Can I just pause? I don't understand. The fish is fish head. What is that? What's that?
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Adam Carolla
All I got is fish. All I got is fish head soup, which may be kind of an Asian thing. But I. That's all I got. But that's. That's where I'm getting. I. My prediction is she's going into rehab. She will go into rehab on OR this. So I.
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Megyn Kelly
If there's any truth to it. Or. Or she's going to be like, John is a psychopath. We hooked up one night and he has turned this into some sort of weird sexual harassment because he didn't get the promotion he wanted. That it could go that way.
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Adam Carolla
Definitely.
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Megyn Kelly
I do want to give you this. Here's a couple of Jesse Kelly, who's Also on the MK channel on SiriusXM. He tweeted out this story saying, like, your replies to it, people on X have not disappointed. So I started looking at the replies to his tweet, and here's one. I wanna see the video of him telling a jury he cried while getting a blowjob. Yep. No one believes this story. Writes another one. He literally cried from getting dome, which I figured out what dumb means. Here's another one. I just applied to JP Morgan despite working my whole life in construction.
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Adam Carolla
Funny.
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Megyn Kelly
Is there an email address to send my resume asking for a friend?
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Adam Carolla
That's funny.
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Megyn Kelly
This loser's complaining about having my dream job. This is a flavor for how the Internet is reacting to and we could say the challenges the plaintiff may face if this thing ever makes it in front of a jury. Adam, you know men. What do you make of those reactions?
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Adam Carolla
Well, I mean, it's all. It's all fun. I mean, it's a perfect setup for a punchline. And it's funny, but, you know, we do this thing where we go, we need more women in positions of power. I don't know that that's necessarily true. I think women are capable of being just as corruptible as men. I mean, when you take a look at so many of these women who are mayors or governors of states and cities around the country, and then there's some kind of, you know, snap fraud or welfare fraud or something, you know, I think. I think what I've learned. And sorry to broaden the subject, but I have definitely learned in the last several years that women are every bit as capable of malfeasance as men are. And we were under the impression that if we had women bosses and women senators and women governors, that we'd have a more cordial society and we wouldn't have war, and we wouldn't have the corruption, and we wouldn't have the sexual harassment, and we wouldn't have the abuse of power. I don't know that that's true at all. As far as I can. I can tell, I live in a city that's ruled by Karen Bass, and she's every bit as horrible as any. Any male governor we've. Or mayor we've ever had.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, I will say, back when I was practicing law, we tried a case. We represented her employer, and she. We fired this woman. Our client fired this woman for sexually harassing the male employees, and she sued, claiming she was wrongfully terminated. We won that case because the jury found they did have cause to fire her. She was running around sexually harassing the men. Now, like, forcing a man to perform oral sex. That's like. That's tough. I think that's kind of tough. He's claiming that it was the threat of his promotion she was using in order to make him perform. And then there's this. Okay, here's the. The third. The third part, right? Third and final. During an encounter in late September 2024, Hajdini allegedly yelled at Doe that he was not bringing in enough business to. To help her secure a promotion to managing director before again threatening him if he refused to have sex with her. I effing own you. I will make you pay. She allegedly, allegedly said, do you think you're going to be in good standing if you do not have me in your corner? You really think management wants some brown boy Indian leading originations? If you don't f my brains out tonight. I'm going to sabotage your promotion. Fearful of retaliation, Doe claims he relented and submitted to another encounter. He. His initial protests were allegedly overheard. He claims Adam by a witness who was staying in the adjoining room. Per the lawsuit, Doe claims that has Genie later admitted to drugging him with Rohypnol or roofies. And not just the roofie, but an erection enabling pharmaceutical substance to ensure he could perform. She. I mean, you don't become a JP Morgan banker just for nothing like this woman. If this is true, she came prepared. She knew exactly like, I've got to incapacitate him everywhere but the groin region. It's going to require just the following special cocktail of medications to get what I want. Again, I'm. I'm calling total bullshit. I don't believe one fudgeing word of this. I've got to be honest. But okay, we'll see.
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Adam Carolla
I like where. Yeah, hold on. I have another innovation. I take roofies and I put them together with Viagra and I make Rufagra like a peanut butter cup for Tate. Rape. I don't know. I'll work that one out. But I stand by my condom with the birthmark on it.
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Megyn Kelly
Smart one. Okay. He alleges that he did report it to HR in May of 2025, and that's when the retaliation began. He wrote a written complaint to HR detailing what he described as race and gender based discrimination and harassment and a pattern of severe sexual abuse. A week later, he claims the firm began to retaliate against him, and that included, he alleges, receiving anonymous, threatening phone calls from individuals he believed were acting on behalf of Hajdini and others, attempting to scare him into silence. Quote, just wait till you're back in New York, brown boy. One caller allegedly told him. You better stay away. Snitch. On June 9, Doe claims that he received a voicemail from someone claiming to be a manager at JP Morgan, telling him he wasn't welcome because of his skin color. Adding that people don't want you or your kind here. I don't believe a word of that either. This has got Jussie Smollett written all over it to me. And here's what JP Morgan said following an investigation. So they did investigate. They're not idiots. We do not believe there is any merit to these claims. While numerous employees cooperated with the investigation, the complainant refused to participate and has declined to provide facts that would be central to supporting his allegations, even though he does claim that he had at least two Witnesses who can help support him. Apparently, JP Morgan Chase was not able to find any of them and is essentially saying that this whole thing is made up bullshit. Okay, so that's the whole story that as we know it so far. Have you softened it all on the alleged defendant now that you hear the lengths to which his claims went?
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Adam Carolla
I have a lot of thoughts. One is Hajj Deeni and she keeps going back to the Indian thing. What is her nationality? Is she of some culture? Like, maybe she's Egyptian and they have a long running feud with the Indians or something like that. Like, what is she.
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Megyn Kelly
Because she sounds Indian.
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Adam Carolla
Hajj Genie.
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Megyn Kelly
Doesn't Hodge genie sound?
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Adam Carolla
I guess. Yeah, I don't. And maybe she is. And maybe that's why she has some sort of comfort with throwing these things out. I don't know. It's.
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Megyn Kelly
She's a. If she's a brown girl, she can say a. You brown boy.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah, well, you know, you know the rules for the N word and things of that nature. You know what I mean? We can't use it. But if you're in the tribe. Right. So maybe. And I'm going to have my guys pull it up on the screen here. But Hajjdini, do we know her nationality? Because if she is Indian, then, then maybe there is some connection. And I, I.
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Megyn Kelly
She. Steve Krakar is saying he thinks it's Albanian.
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Adam Carolla
Albanian?
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Megyn Kelly
The. The oft forgotten Albanian.
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Adam Carolla
And did the Albanians have some sort of running feud with the Indians or some sort of territorial war that we're unaware of?
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Megyn Kelly
I like this. Let's turn it into a world events discussion. Yes, let's. Let's broaden it out and see what scores may be getting.
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Adam Carolla
We gotta go global with this is what I'm saying.
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Megyn Kelly
This is why you have a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame and I don't.
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Adam Carolla
Well, remember, I don't have it yet, but once again, this will be our last encounter on your show.
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Megyn Kelly
I say again, I think this is made up. I think at worst there was an affair between the two of them that led him to have some of the details about, like, the toe stacking.
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Adam Carolla
That was the other thing. Did he get busted by his wife and then concoct this, or did he come forward with this? That's what I need to know. Albanian.
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Megyn Kelly
My people say she's giving the Pete Hegseth accuser vibes. You know, like, he raped me when I stayed. When I snuck into his hotel room in the middle of the night as my husband and children were Sleeping down the hallway.
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Adam Carolla
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
And I swear I didn't do that voluntarily. What kind of a psychopath would do that voluntarily? So I swear it was rape. Like, this does have, like. I cried the whole time, honey.
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Adam Carolla
Right?
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Megyn Kelly
I swear I cried.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah, so maybe it's him trying to get out of being busted. I don't know. Albanian is what my screen says for terms of her nationality. So I don't know if there was a civil or a war between India and Albania. I don't know. I don't roll that deep.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay. Speaking of. She's an attractive gal for the listening audience. Speaking of attractive gals, Miller Lite has just unleashed a new ad campaign featuring the gymnast Olivia Dunn, who is very attractive. And she's gonna be, I guess, their spokesmodel. And she looks hot. She's in a bar, she's drinking Miller Light and Adam, good for them. This. We're getting back to what, you know, beer ought to be.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Which is something people enjoy. In particular, men marketed to them by hot women. Operative terms being hot and woman. And it's basically a middle finger here to Bud Light, which tried to go another way and is still suffering as a result of it after their whole Dylan Mulvaney excursion. Your thoughts on it?
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Adam Carolla
Yeah. I don't like brands trying to kind of steer culture in general or get preachy about stuff. It always bothers me that when you'd go into a coffee shop and they'd go, in this coffee shop, we believe no one is elite. Just shut up and bring me the stupid coffee I don't need.
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Megyn Kelly
People are cheering President Trump's latest assassination attempt against him. Oh, they believe in all the wonderful things, but they'd love to see him get a bullet in the brain.
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Adam Carolla
Right? And science, we believe in science, but you're going to be thrown out of this coffee house if you're not wearing a mask. That doesn't work. Like, it's insane. It drives me nuts. People don't really remember that it's gone back a long time. And I'll give you an example. When I grew up and you grew up and you watched a car commercial, they talked about mileage, they talked about sticker price, they talked about rust proofing, they would talk about warranties, you know, powertrain, 15,000 mile warranty, rust proofing body, 100,000 mile built Ford, tough, you know, and then we get into Subaru, which is made with love. And the Subaru commercial doesn't talk about price, lease mileage, horsepower, curb weight, nothing. There's no numbers involved. With it, it's literally just puppies driving a Subaru. There is a Volkswagen commercial where a biracial gay couple adopts a sheep. Look it up, Megyn Kelly listeners. I am not kidding you. It's a black guy and a white guy driving their Volkswagen Tigger on out. And a sheep basically dots him and they take it home like it's a dog. It's insane. I don't even. You have to watch a commercial five times to even figure out what they're advertising. You forget that they're advertising an suv. So Madison Avenue has strayed so far off of this. And of course, Dove with all the fat chick models and this is what new beauty looks like and blah, blah, blah. It's not. We want to get back to basics. Guys who drink beer want to look at hot chicks, not fat chicks or trans chicks or whatever the hell they're pushing this week. And it's nice. And some of that is Trump. But also a lot of that is just America we don't like being force fed. Ideology we disagree with.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, it's funny the way what you just said. Guys like to see hot chicks drinking beer to be marketed to. It reminds me of recently. I was talking to a dear friend of mine. We both have daughters who are about the same age, 14, 15. And we were talking. I. I made the joke that before they sort of really get out into the dating world, we should buy them a copy of that book, the rules that used to be popular when, you know, you and I were younger, which has rules for, like, landing a man. You know, like, it's basically play hard to get and don't give it up too easily. And she looked at me, my friend, and she was like, do we really need to. They're so simple, right? It's so simple what they want. It's like two lines. You kind of just summed it up. You know what I mean? We don't need to read a book. We don't need to give a book to anybody. Like, we kind of know what men want and how to get them. However. However, we should be sending a copy of the rules to Alex Cooper, who is the sex podcaster. Adam, you were kind of. You started in sex podcasting in a way, you and Dr. D on loveline that everybody listened to back in the day. And you took questions on love life and sex life and all this stuff and had great advice. It was like the pairing was magic. So I'll get you to weigh in on her advice. Like, her whole podcast was born in talking Dirty. And now she's trying to make herself into Oprah. Good luck. And this is her latest on what girls should do on the first date.
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Alex Cooper
No kissing on a first date. Well, sometimes I them on the first date. How about that one? Tick tock. How about I let him eat me out on the first date and I married him? No, just kidding. He didn't eat me out. That was like, the second time. I've had so many dates where, like, I had great first date kisses and I was like, oh, my God, I'm never calling you, but, oh, who doesn't love a makeout? Like, makeouts are so fun. Okay? And so kiss them the first date. Sleep with them the first night. Like, I don't care. You have to go based on what feels good to your body and what feels right to you. And so if you have some friends that are prudes that are like, you should never kiss on the first date, you're gonna give them the wrong impression and they're just gonna think you're a. Okay, maybe for you, Cassandra, but I'm about to let him in my back door on night. You don't have to do anal on. I do, but you could. Whatever feels right. If a man is gonna treat you like a piece of and isn't gonna call you, it's. He's not going to treat you like a pizza shit just because you fucked him or made out with him on the first night. A man knows.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes.
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Alex Cooper
Okay, maybe make out with him so you stop wasting your time. What if, like, small lip Sammy is like, barely gets a little tongue in there and you're like, I can't even fucking find. We're just hitting teeth. You're probably not going to want to fuck Sammy, but good to know that you got it done on the first day. We're maximizing our time, people.
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Adam Carolla
Wait, does she work at JP Morgan?
- [39:37]
Megyn Kelly
I'll let you take it.
- [39:40]
Adam Carolla
I don't recognize her.
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Megyn Kelly
No one does.
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Adam Carolla
Okay, we are having a problem. Sometimes I think about you, Megan, and I go, well, she's a woman, but on the other hand, she has a man's brain. So I guess I can speak freely. And since this will be my last appearance on the show, I might as well put my cards on the table, which is we do it. We sort of. We didn't do women right in the last 20 years. We basically told them, every feeling you have is valid. Every thought you have is valid. You need to act however you want to act. But more like a man. Sexually would be better for you. And there is no more. That's not very ladylike or young lady wouldn't say that or do that. You're completely free and you can do whatever you want and say whatever you want. And they become more miserable, had less kids. You know, we told them they didn't need to have kids. They didn't need to be a mother in any kind of traditional way. They didn't even need a traditional relationship. And most of them are insane and suicidal and childless at 35. Now, this is not a good thing. The traditional roles, with all that comes with that. And listen, there's roles with men. Men should know how to fix something around the house. When you and your woman are on a road trip and you get a flat, it is the man who gets out of the car, gets the spare out and fixes and changes the tire. And I like that. And I like the traditional roles. And I think it's good, by the way, it doesn't make you a servant to the other person. It makes you useful to the other person. And then the other person has useful qualities as well. We got away from the roles. We got away from the responsibilities. We told women, say whatever you want. Cuss as much as you want, be angry as much as you want. And I think they're sort of coming unraveled. And having anal sex on the first date is probably not
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Megyn Kelly
advisable.
- [42:00]
Adam Carolla
Probably not advisable. Although there was a saying, Megan, that goes back to the 70s that I believe I'd like to modify, which is wine. Dynam 69. I don't know if you've heard that one.
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Megyn Kelly
No, no, I. This is great stuff.
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Adam Carolla
Good stuff. It's on my license plate frame right now. That's why I'm always mindful of it. But I would argue it shouldn't be wine. I'm Dynam 69. It should be Wine 69. Dynam. Because you want to eat after you use 69, not before. You know what I mean? You don't want to go out for Hungarian food. And then 69. That's all you're.
- [42:43]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. You're really just kind of deciding on the appetizer. Yes, I understand. And it's just like civilized people would choose one way.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Instead of the other.
- [42:50]
Adam Carolla
I. I think.
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Megyn Kelly
I think this gal.
- [42:52]
Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
I think this gal, like, is leaning into. She feels like this is empowering for young women to say this. And yet. And she's too young. She's young to have spoken to the reams of women that I've interviewed and met over the course of my life, who made those same choices and then wound up deeply, deeply unhappy. Because even if you do wind up getting married, finding a great partner, he doesn't care about your very loose past. You care, you feel disgusting. And what tends to happen is women who make that choice. The reason, like she says, whatever works for you, the reason it would potentially work for one woman generally is she's looking for somebody else to make her feel good about herself, to make her feel beautiful, to make her feel loved, to make her feel like she matters. And it's this ultimate irony that the more of these meaningless one night stands a woman has, the less she feels any of that. Like as he's trying to seduce her, she might feel that in the actual moment she might feel desired and so on. And then as soon as she walks, watches him walk out, only to never call her again. Cuz he's been there, done that. And since she gave it up so easily, he knows many, many, many others have been here too, which is gross. He's not going to call her again and she's, it's gonna lead to more feelings of self loathing. That's generally how it works out for these women.
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Adam Carolla
Well, I mean, just think about the. You take a topic like abortion, that would have been several decades ago in this country. A closely guarded family secret. And now women are bragging into microphones in front of crowds about how many abortions they've had. This concept of what's right for you, you talk about Loveline and me doing it for 10 years, we got ourselves into trouble going, everyone's an individual, everyone is different. Not everything work, no, no diet and exercise for everybody and you'll lose weight. There's no your concept on weight loss or his concept on weight. We are biological entities. Were all the same. I used to say on Loveline all the time they'd go, you don't know this person, you don't know that person. I go, listen, if I want to study polar bear migration, do I have to study all of them individually? I study 50 polar bears. I'm an expert on all polar bears. That's how it works. And human beings are the same goddamn way. I'm tired of arguing with everyone about what's right for you. What's right? No, no. There are things that work and it applies to running cities, running governments, personal relationships, happiness, weight loss, sanity. It's all real basic stuff. And we've decided to throw it all away with some sort of individualism BS that doesn't work at all.
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Megyn Kelly
Mm. Yeah. No, I think you're right. And I think my rules will work for all women, and I think her rules will hurt all women. I really do. I think you should not listen to her. And by the way, not for nothing, I don't think it matters whether you're super attractive or you're, you know, not. But I do think she shouldn't. She also can't speak for all women because she is a beautiful gal and she might have had repeated opportunities with men, notwithstanding her obvious loose approach to sex because of that. And then she started making a bunch of money doing this podcast that probably helped her, too. Whereas, like, a less attractive woman who just so easily gives it up over and over is probably not going to get repeat calls. So, like, let's just keep that in mind, too. Just don't. Don't listen to this person. If you find her conversations interesting, good on you, but don't actually follow that. That advice. I urge you, my fellow women, especially
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Adam Carolla
young women, there is only one hot blonde. You need to listen to people, and her name is Megan Kelly. And I say that with a tear in my eye because this will be my last appearance.
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Megyn Kelly
Last appearance ever. Okay. There are plenty of hot blondes. One of them is named Olivia Wilde. Less hot than ever, I would say, and less blonde than ever. Depends on the course of her, you know, movie career or TV show she's on. But she was speaking this. This is on Friday, so days ago at the San Francisco International Film Festival. And this picture of her. And video, too. It's from a video has gone everywhere because it looks like here's the before eight years ago. And there's the after on the right.
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Adam Carolla
Wow.
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Megyn Kelly
And people are saying, oh, it's the camera angle. I mean, there's a video. I watched the video. She looks skeletal. She. She looks like she should go into the hospital right now because she looks like a corpse with the very sullen eyes, like the eyeballs sticking out the way they do on a true anorexic who's. There's nothing left but skin and bones. And that's what her face looks like. Just skin and bones and absolutely no, no fat, which you do need for beauty. She looks truly unwell, Adam. And she's just the latest example. Like, the people. I don't know if she's on Ozempic. She certainly looks. Looks like she's on Ozempic. And there appear to be some people in Hollywood who can take Ozempic and look good. Like, I don't know. I'm assuming all of the Kardashians. And then there are these people who I. I probably had an eating disorder anyway, you know what I mean? And for whom this drug has allowed them to take it to a place that is truly safe. Sick. This is just my opinion. I have no confirmation she's doing any of this. But this, the drastic transformation of this woman is shocking.
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Adam Carolla
Agreed. Okay, a bunch of thoughts. One is you're talking about Hollywood, but let's talk about Washington. And we can talk about Hollywood as well. I don't know if you've noticed, but Tim Waltz looks like he's down about 45 pounds from when he was.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God, is he on the shot?
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Adam Carolla
Well, okay, hear me out. Tim Walls was running for vice president and on the campaign trail and everywhere all the time, and never thought to lose an ounce of weight. I mean, seemed to just be overweight for that entire run. And then that ended. And he looks like he's down 35 or 40 pounds in the last few months. Karen Bass, our mayor of Los Angeles, was not obese, but she was kind of heavyset, a little bit roly poly, a little bit round in the face. She looks like she's down about £20 herself. Katie Porter, our favorite Katie Porter, she decided to stop eating mashed potatoes, evidently off her husband's head.
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Megyn Kelly
So relieved for everyone in the family,
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Adam Carolla
Katie Porter's got to be down 30 pounds from her heavyweight, maybe, maybe more. Right? JB Pritzker is not what he was. He is down. So, yes, these people are all in their 50s. They were all heavyset, morbidly obese, porky fat all the way through. And then all of a sudden, they kind of hit the national stage. And you look at Pritzker, Katie Porter, I think all of them are on it because they all made a drastic move in like the last six months.
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Megyn Kelly
But I support that. I like Katie Porter looks a lot better. And like, J.B. pritzker was going to die if he let himself go on like that. This by like the super skinny actress who goes skeletal, truly skeletal, if that in fact is what she's doing. And how she did it is so wrong. And it's like, well, who keeps giving her the drug? Like, when she comes in for the weigh in, like, and she's down to like £90 from the looks of it. What doctor's like, yeah, let's keep this rolling. Like, let's see if we can get down to 30. I really think you're seeing mental illness on the faces of a lot of these celebrities. And it's a terrible, it's a terrible message for young girls in particular, like, if you can't handle it and keep it at a regular, like healthy body weight, you need to go off of it. Stand by. There's much more to discuss, but we had to take a quick break. ADAM carolla, Lucky us is with us on the opposite side. Don't go away. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack. And that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans. Credit cards can keep your payments secure and provide rewards that families use to help make everyday purchases more affordable. The Electronic Payments Coalition says the Durbin Marshall mandates would let corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing, routing transactions over cheaper, untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections. Find out more@guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card.
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Megyn Kelly
Back with me now is Adam Carolla. He's host of the Adam Carolla show and a very, very famous star in Hollywood, which is why this will be his last appearance ever on the lowly Megyn Kelly Show. We are so honored to be here with him for the time he's willing to share. It's important. The star on the Hollywood Boulevard. It's big. It's not quite as big as being a US Congressman, but this. You know, one day maybe you could shoot for that sort of fame and power. Until then, you're just going to have to admire and feel envy for the likes of Jasmine Crockett, who would like you to know that she's extremely, extremely important. She sat down with Sherri shepherd, formerly of the View, who's now doing her own show, I guess, and said the following. Let me tell you, I was front seat when you said beach blonde, bad built, butch bodied. When I tell you you's a queen killer B. The way you read, even Cardi B should be proud of you. There's no preparation for that. But, you know, I'm a black woman in America, so, I mean, you know,
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Alex Cooper
I mean, some people are just like, oh, but you're a congresswoman.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm a black woman first. And so, you know the level of disrespect that is continuously lobbed against us as black women. You know, for me, I'm like, wait a minute now. I am One of the 535 most powerful people in this country. And for some reason, you think we on the same level, but you gonna disrespect me? Like, it's not gonna happen. Oh, my God, Adam. She's got. She's back with the black scent.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Like, she doesn't talk like that.
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Adam Carolla
No.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. She talks like you and I talk.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
But she dials it up.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
And black women first. Okay, all right, fine. And, like, the notion that you are one of the most important people in the country because you've attained a seat in the House of Representatives. My God. I mean, 1776 called, and they'd like their relevant facts back.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Unbelievable. Of course, it was not until the. You know, a decade or so later that we actually had. Anyway, keep going. Well, your thoughts on her.
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Adam Carolla
Okay, I have a saying, something I've been saying quite a bit lately that came out during COVID But what I've been saying is all roads lead to narcissism. People are trying to explain what this behavior is or that behavior is, or who are you to stop a neighbor and tell them to put a mask up when they're walking their dog and stuff? And it's like, it's a narcissistic disorder. We are under. And we used to keep ourselves in check, and now we've decided to celebrate our narcissism. And that's how you end up with a Jasmine Crockett saying insanely narcissistic things. Number two, whether it's her, Michelle Obama, or Barack Obama, this race hustle, it's so nasty, and it's by the way, hurting your culture and your people. This, like, as a black woman in America. Tell me about it, bitch. I grew up poor. I grew up white. I dug ditches for a living. And I couldn't be a fireman in LA county because I'm white. So I don't know what you're talking about. That is not the society we're living in. And you guys finding racism under every rock. It's not really affecting the Asian culture, the Jewish culture, the Indian culture, the Nigerian culture, or the white culture. They're doing fine. It's fucking up your culture.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, but can you imagine, Adam, let's say I was asked about anything and I said I'm a white first, right?
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Adam Carolla
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Like an elected representative. Hey, whoa, I'm white before I'm a lawmaker. My first concern is for white people because I'm white. That's basically what she's saying. Total past. The audience is, like, clapping for her. We're supposed to give her snaps for this abject racism.
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Adam Carolla
Well, it's like, Ilhan Omar, I'm Somali, you know, number one, you know, like. And I pledge allegiance to the Somali flag. It's like this is the way endangered species talk in sort of predators that are apex predators. And I'll. I'll explain myself. When you get to play the race card or the woman card, or they combine it to make a retarded peanut butter cup, which is, I'm a woman and a black woman, no one can come to them and have a problem with them. And I will give you an example, Megyn Kelly, when Gavin Newsom gets busted for eating at the French Laundry in the middle of COVID lockdowns, he has to come out and apologize. And he does. Now, he doesn't mean it. He doesn't believe in Covid and lockdowns, but he realizes the optics of it. He has to say it. When Lori Lightfoot, who's a triple endangered species because she's black, she's lesbian, and she's a female, when she gets busted for getting her haircut, she has a presser that says, hey, I care about what I look like, and I can't cut my own hair, so fuck off, and walks away. So they don't apologize. They don't have to apologize. So what we've told to black women is, anytime anyone messes with you, just play the race card. And they figured out that that was a good way to keep people from messing with them.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, yeah. And they're absolutely right. I mean, like, people will go Right along with that. The Jasmine Crockett show has gone on long enough. We're all tired of it. You mentioned Ilhan Omar. That clip. It went viral over the weekend. It's from January 2025, but it just underscores she's an idiot, just like Jasmine Crockett.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Who would like us to think she's a bigger idiot than she actually. I mean, at least Jasmine Crockett went to law school. She graduated from law school. She could have had a decent career before she decided to sell out to be some sort of an actress. Well, here's the clip, in case you missed it, of Ilhan Omar. Who's reading. She's reading. And you'll see what happens. Yeah. The last time the Alien Enemies act was invoked, it was used to detain and deport German, Japanese, Italian immigrants doing World War 11. Two. Sorry.
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Adam Carolla
All right.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God.
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Adam Carolla
Well, first off, I forgot. I did not see that Maisie Hirono was standing next to her, because I think Ilhan Omar was like, hey, I got to do a presser. Maisie, can you stand next to me? And Maisie's like, I got nothing to do with that presser. And she's like, listen, I don't want to be the dumbest person in this room, so please, Maisie, stand next to me like a. Like a guy. Like a fat guy going, I need a guy who's really fat to stand next to me so I don't look like the fat guy in the room. Like, Maisie Hirono is the only one dumber than Ilhan Omar. And so I think she must stand next to her all the time. And I'm gonna say this, like, in general. When you hear the lady with the purple hair, the old cat lady who's screaming at Pete Hegseth or RFK Jr or whomever it is about, you know, about raw milk or something like that.
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Megyn Kelly
DeLauro.
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Adam Carolla
Right. DeLauro. Okay, I want to say this with, like, respect to anybody on the left, but I really want you to think about this. You may disagree with Jim Jordan, and you may disagree with Pete Hegseth, but they don't seem functionally retarded and insane. Maxine Waters. DeLauro. Ilhan Omar. Mazie Hirona. These people sound like doorknobs. They sound like special needs people. It's. It's one thing to articulate yourself, and you have a different argument than I have, but we can tell the synapses are firing. We can tell there's brain cells there. You on the left Have a lot of people just seem like flat out dopes. You would not want them walking your
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Megyn Kelly
dog or your skunk.
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Adam Carolla
Right?
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Megyn Kelly
I'm making a transition here. Back to our earlier conversation in which you talked about the two gay guys in the car with a sheep. Like, the sheep is their new pet. It reminded me of something. I was told recently by one of the ladies in town that the latest trend is to adopt a skunk. You have, I guess the. The sprayer is something that can be removed. They remove the sprayer so that the skunk will not spray the homeowner. Look at this woman. She's what for the listening audience. She's got a skunk on a leash, and she's walking her skunk. And, like, they don't need to defend themselves. I guess the thinking is, anymore, because you're domesticating them, they live 10 to 12 years, and you can take them back home and live peacefully with your pet skunk, Adam, because everyone's got to outdo everyone. It's not enough to have a cute dog. You know, the French bulldog was in for a while, the doodles were in for a while, and now you have to outdo everybody, and you have to have a pet skunk.
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Adam Carolla
Well, I hope you don't have a cat as well, because I've seen enough episodes of Pepe Le Pew to know how that can go south fast. That Pepe Le Pew guy could have been. He could have been management at JP Morgan with his sexual drive.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, let me tell you something. I think that the biggest danger to your pet skunk is going to be the unsuspecting visitor. You know, like the Amazon guy, He's just trying to deliver a package.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, and, like, throws the heavy box at him. I don't. I think they're in danger. They belong in the wild. Here is the commercial that you referenced. My crack team dug it up.
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Adam Carolla
You're gonna love. Have you seen this before?
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Megyn Kelly
No. You're gonna love it.
- [63:44]
Adam Carolla
You're gonna love it.
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Megyn Kelly
Looking at two guys getting into their car. Oh, God, they brought it home.
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Adam Carolla
They're adopting a sheep.
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Megyn Kelly
It has a leash. It's drinking out of the bowl. Life gets bigger when you break. You're walking in on the beach. The Volkswagen, take one.
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Adam Carolla
I, I, you know, my fantasy is, is I, I want to go. I want to build a time machine. Like, not to kill Hitler, Napoleon or anything. Just to go back to, like, 1963 and go to Mad Men era times. You know, go to Madison Avenue, guys drinking martinis for lunch, smoke and slapping the secretary on the ass. And then I go, let me show you the future of advertisement. Here's a commercial. I go, volkswagen? Yeah, yeah, Those guys. You mean the Hitler mobile guys? Yeah, yeah. They got a commercial. They got a commercial. I want you to watch it. And they'd go, what the hell are those two fellas living together for? He's got a Negro in his house. What the hell's going on around here?
- [65:04]
Megyn Kelly
It's so true.
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Adam Carolla
They wouldn't know what it. Wouldn't know what it was.
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Megyn Kelly
You look back, I loved Mad Men. And it reminds me like, that sort of time where, like, they drank with, you know, abandon. They smoked nonstop. Recently, Tucker had his brother Buckley Carlson on. Who is now my favorite person on earth. This guy is. I need to know him, you know, T minus whatever, until we get him on the MK show. But he's like, super tan. This is Tucker's younger brother by two years, super tan, kind of grizzled. He's there in his suit. He doesn't have to be in his suit. He's with his brother, you know, but he's got at least the suit coat on and the collared shirt. He's smoking Camels. And the two of them open up the discussion on how they used to like John McCain when they were young, growing up in Washington. But what turned them against John McCain was he led the fight against big tobacco. And they were both like, such bullshit, how they demonized big tobacco. And I have to tell you, there's something about it that was somewhat cathartic. Just because, like, everything now is so Maha. You can't drink, you can't smoke, you can't do anything, really, without feeling like you're kill yourself that moment. Like you might not make it to midnight that day. And like, you've got to do this number of exercise and it has to be this taxing. And then you have to do this other exercise and you can't have the plastics and you can't drink out of the soda can and you can't have the gum, and you can't. And it's just. It's overwhelming, isn't it? Adam and I feel like now when we need all those vices more than ever, we're not allowed to have any of them.
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Adam Carolla
I agree. And, you know, it's interesting. We waged a war on smoking several years ago and essentially eradicated it. But we said that pot was good for you somehow and, you know, and alleviated many of the symptoms of this and that and the other. And so now we got a whole bunch of young people who don't smoke, but do smoke pot. They don't smoke cigarettes, but they smoke pot and it's fucking them up. And we're so backwards and dumb in California that if you went to Santa Monica and asked the average mom in Santa Monica, California, would you rather your teenage son smoke cigarettes or smoke pot? They would all say pot.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes, I think that's right. I think, look, we've gotten. We've just gone too far. You know, it's like in the same way, you shouldn't be having two packs a day or four packs a day of cigarettes. Like, do we have to get rid of all vices now when we're looking at, like, I don't know, an unnecessary war in the Middle East? We just did a segment yesterday that totally freaked me out on AI which is not only going to render all of our children jobless, but all the rest of us possibly homeless and also possibly dead. This morning the news broke about how they've made this massive breakthrough in fighting and detecting pancreatic cancer. The big one, the one that, like, you get pancreatic cancer, everybody thinks you're dead. You know, I mean, that's how it was when we grew up. It's like you. That one only can get discovered way too late in the process and you're toast. Now they've got this AI thing that can read like years in advance about whether you have pancreatic cancer. Great, great. I'm like, this is wonderful. But we'll be dead from a nuke unleashed on us by an AI robot before we can ever actually have that saving moment.
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Adam Carolla
Right?
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Megyn Kelly
It just seems like there's a lot of existential crises to concern ourselves with. And I'm really not a worrier. I am not a worrier. Like that stuff. It's happening, right? It's like, my husband's a writer in the book world. They're like only a couple more years left of, you know, authorships. In the reporting world, there's young reporters who believe that job's going away because I can do the job of a young reporter. In the law, you never. You don't need first through third year lawyers anymore who do all the research, right? That's completely. Can be done by AI in medicine, surgeries. My friend is getting a hernia surgery. The guy gave him the option. Do you want a doctor to do it or a surgeon? Or do you want the machine to do. It's like it's happening. The AI takeover is already happening. So in any event, we need our liquor, and we might need unfiltered Camels. I've never been a smoker, but I'm thinking about taking it up.
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Adam Carolla
Agreed.
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Megyn Kelly
Good. I'm glad that's a moment of unity in our last time together. I appreciate that. Well, that'll give us something.
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Adam Carolla
And by the way, Megan, I understand the optics of this. You and I can maintain a friendship off the air. It's not like we can't hang around and have a scotch and an unfiltered Camel together. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I cannot. Can no longer be on your program because of the obvious chasm between the two of us. But there are many other people I won't be able to shows I won't be able to do as well because of the obvious space between.
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Megyn Kelly
Disparity. Yeah, the disparity.
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Adam Carolla
I'm sorry.
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Megyn Kelly
Sorry.
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Adam Carolla
Okay.
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Megyn Kelly
I totally get it. I am now being moved to the back of the dark bar friend category, as opposed to the one who can be on the arm at, like, a movie premiere. And I accept you on whatever terms you're willing to be with me, Adam, right now.
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Adam Carolla
I'll give you an example. Did you see the movie Goodfellas? In the Goodfellas, he was married to Lorraine Bracco, or whoever it was, but he had his side piece stashed in that apartment building. Okay. That's kind of where you're going to be living with me. But that's all right. I'll come by and we'll weigh out some coke and have a good time and smoke some Camel on filters and drink ourselves some scotch.
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Megyn Kelly
It's fine. And I. And I feel like even in that role, if somebody were to try to molest me, you would beat him to within an inch of his life with your pistol, the way Henry did. Right?
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Adam Carolla
Hold on, Meghan. I'm sorry. He did that for his wife. He did that for his wife.
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Megyn Kelly
I know, but that's not.
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Adam Carolla
No, but in this scenario. Yeah, but if you're being accurate to the movie, he did that for his wife, who he loves very much and lives with and goes openly out publicly with. You are my goomah who stashed in the one bedroom. But I will come by. We will do coke. But if somebody molests you, you're kind of on your own.
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Megyn Kelly
Me and my pet skunk.
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Adam Carolla
That's right.
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Megyn Kelly
That's one of the greatest lines ever. When Lorraine Bracco, in her character, she goes, I gotta admit the truth. It turned me on. She seems so good in that movie. And poor Ray Liotta gone too soon.
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Adam Carolla
I agree.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, I wanna ask you a question about la. The mayoral race is in full swing out there and the. I know everybody's excited about Spencer Pratt, but this just broke before we came to air polymarket. You know, people have to put money behind their bets there, so we do pay some attention to what they're betting. And this just in. Democratic socialist. How do you pronounce that? Nithya Ramen. Right. She's running out there. Dubbed the next mom, Donnie is now projected to win the LA mayoral election. 60% chance reports Polymarket that she will lead the City of Angels. So you too may be in for a democratic socialist there. And we don't know what you're going to get at the gubernatorial level. We're praying at Steve Hilton, but we don't, you know, once it goes out into the general, who knows? And on top of that, this. Let's take 5% of a billionaire's assets away from him, thanks to a ballot initiative that's going to be up for the vote. 1.5 million people signed on to having this be a ballot initiative and now it's going to be in November. Yeah, so you can be in California, you can make it in Silicon Valley, or in the Hollywood movie industry, you might be a billionaire. 5% of your assets on which you've already paid tax, you earned your money, you paid 50% tax as the richest Americans do, you have some money left over. You buy, you buy a nice house, you buy a Mercedes, you buy a swimming pool, all the things that has a net worth. And the government's coming back for more, wanting to take 5% of your net worth dated back to January. So even if you left in February, left in March, left this summer, no, you were here in January, so we're taking it. And then you can have a Democrat socialist to answer to in la, and we don't know what in the State House. Your thoughts?
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Adam Carolla
Nithya Rahman is a full fledged dope. Now, she's dangerous because she's a socialist, but she's also dope. And I would ask your crack staff to pull up a clip which will blow your mind. Megan. I played it on my program many times. It's a little window into how insane she is and what a true socialist she is. We have a big problem in Los Angeles, which is stealing of catalytic converters. People are getting shot and killed. Not to mention just the scourge of waking all the people who work for me have Woken up, walked out to their car to realize their catalytic converter was stolen. And now it's because Los Angeles become a third world. You're stealing minerals at this point we're stealing catalytic converters to get the metals out of them. Just like we pull the copper out of the street lamps to sell the copper, the minerals we're selling. So we have spiraled into some no man's land where we're no longer stealing TV sets and car stereos. We're literally pulling elements, copper elements out of streetlights. She Nithya Raman spoke about this problem and she spoke about who was to blame for the stealing of the catalytic converters. And guess who she blamed. She blamed Toyota. She said it was Toyota's fault that these catalytic converters were being stolen because they make it it so easy for people to steal. That basically compels people to steal. A catalytic converter is in the center of the car, underneath the car, basically tucked up in what would be a transmission tunnel. And it is welded in place. You must get a floor jack, jack the car up, get under it with a sawzall with a bi cutting metal blade or a wheel with a 4 inch grinder, right angle with a carborundum blade and literally cut the thing out. You must cut it out. Sparks will be flying. You don't just detach it.
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Megyn Kelly
I really want it.
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Adam Carolla
You have to literally cut it. It is welded into the middle of the exhaust system and there is a clip of her explaining how easy it is to steal and saying it's Toyota's fault for making it so easy to steal. This woman is categorically insane. She's insane. That's right up your dangerous ideas and she is easily the. She is more dangerous than Karen Bass and she's a full fledged dope.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow. I mean that boy did she step on a rake. When it comes to your wheelhouse. When you of all people, your lifelong Angeleno and you're an expert on all things car and mechanical and she decided to mix the two. Oh, we did find. Okay, here it is.
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Adam Carolla
You are going to marvel at her stupidity. And Megan, just because this is going to be our last ride, picture this. Put your lawyer hat on and picture her making this case in court in front of you.
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Megyn Kelly
You have a company, you know, the pre whatever. Let me tell you that who makes the Prius that essentially has a device on their cars which is super easy to remove. It's basically the value of a MacBook, right? That is put in a place that is incredibly easy to access. In your car. And then the thefts related to this issue have essentially all of the costs of that are given to us to bear instead of them having to. To manufacture a car that actually is
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Alex Cooper
not so easy to be stolen.
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Adam Carolla
By the way, she can't even speak.
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Megyn Kelly
I can hear the stupidity.
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Adam Carolla
She's like, instead of that, manufacturing a car that's not so easily to be stolen. Okay, well, we're not stealing the car. So she's basically saying if you leave a laptop on your passenger seat and somebody smashes the window and takes it, it's on you for leaving a laptop on your passenger seat.
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Megyn Kelly
These damn people who are asking the damn women who wear the short skirts, what do they think is going to happen?
- [78:16]
Adam Carolla
Shouldn't be jogging at night, my lady. That's kind of on you.
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Megyn Kelly
We have another from her. Here's the other one. We have cut Deb. Let's watch it. I mean, it's like, I don't think a kid's going to be safer because a tent is 500ft away from a school. She's defending the placement of homeless tents near schools.
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Adam Carolla
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Saying a kid's not going to be safer if the tent's 500ft away. It's fine.
- [78:50]
Adam Carolla
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
Basically. And she, she rolled her eyes. She shrugged her shoulders and rolled her eyes when she was asked if it's safe for homeless encampments to be put up right near a city school. So great. So welcome to our world. I'm not in New York anymore, but I'm in the city all the time. Welcome to our world. I don't really hope you get a mumdani, but if you do, you'll deserve it for having abandoned me so quickly as soon as your star ascended. That's the truth.
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Adam Carolla
Well, you know, it is kind of. She does make a point in this sense, which is we have many, many schools in Los Angeles. There's hundreds of schools in Los Angeles and we have thousands, tens of thousands of homeless people. So at a certain point, there's a math problem, which is if you're gonna have 100,000 people living on the streets and you're gonna have 5,000 schools, it's gonna be nearly impossible to keep them all from being in front of the school.
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Megyn Kelly
True. Yeah. You may have to do something about the actual problem. So they'll go through the schools in la. They may walk outside and see the homeless encampments and the drug needles and the bent over methadone people who are staring at my Star Corolla star. And then if they Study really hard and do really well. They could one day wind up at Oxford. And what they may or may not see, depending on what part of Oxford they get into, is a professor by the name of Matt Radley. You won't be surprised when you see him to know that he goes by they them. He's a lecturer. And this video of him has gone viral. Though it was put out in January. Just now it's caught on. And let me introduce you to Matt, Adam.
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Adam Carolla
I'm in the process of putting a website together and that is proving to be much harder than it probably should be. And the problem I'm running as the
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Megyn Kelly
Kristy Gnome husband affair partner imposter syndrome. And he has a beard.
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Adam Carolla
Basically. What does it mean to be an expert in something? Because it's really not obvious to me at what point I could describe myself as an expert in something. I have expertise in things like I, you know, I've been teaching plenty of chemistry is pretty solid, but I think
- [81:05]
Megyn Kelly
he's got a Paul Bunyan.
- [81:07]
Adam Carolla
I still have this. This feeling that declaring myself an expert in something is a little bit uncomfortable. And I don't quite know on what basis I would feel comfortable doing that.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, declaring yourself an expert in something is uncomfortable. How about your enormous breasts? They look like the Brian Gnome balloon breasts. He looks like Kayla Lemieux, the shop teacher.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
From Canada.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
There's. This is an unwell person quite clearly having access to the Oxford students everywhere.
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Adam Carolla
Also, his beard looks like it was fashioned from pubes. It has like a weird off putting. It's off putting the beard also. It's also weird to see the beard interacting with the cleavage, you know what I mean? Because we successfully made it our entire time on this planet without ever seeing a beard interact with cleavage. Look, I'm used to a medallion or a necklace or something.
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Megyn Kelly
In the same person.
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Adam Carolla
In the same person. Yes, yes, I. It is weird to see the same person's beard making contact with one's cleavage, which is awkward.
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Megyn Kelly
I got dollars to donuts this. This guy's T minus five days from being in Brian Gnome cell phone. This is a beautiful friendship is about to be formed here. Now this is what Brian Gnome is doing. Brian Gnome is putting in the fake huge boobs. He. He not only likes to look at them, he wears them like this guy Matt Rattley. He puts him on the prosthetics in himself and princes around in his little leggings. We know from the Daily Mail his therapy didn't work. He gets off on this. That's fine. If he wants to do that in the privacy of his cell phone with these ladies, that's between him and his wife, I guess. But this guy has access. Oxford hired him, Adam. And I'll bet you anything when you sign up to take Matt class, they don't front for you. What the hell you're about to walk into.
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Adam Carolla
Now, I'll tell you the real problem here. The real problem is, is some kid is going to object and ask to be transferred out of his class. And then they will attack that child. That's the problem. A student is going to protest, and then that student shall be disciplined. And that's the really sick, twisted part. He's the beginning of the sick, twisted, twisted part. The real sick, twisted part is when somebody actually says the truth about something and then you get pilloried and punished and suspended Jordan Peterson style for speaking the truth.
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Megyn Kelly
Yep. Yes. You know what? Remind your children they have the right to walk out. They have the right to say no. They have the right to never see this teacher again. Just much in the same way Adam's about to do to us, that it's their right. They can leave you in the dust. They can leave. They can leave. Notwithstanding the many years of friendship. Because, let's face it, bigger and better things are calling Adam. Good luck in your future endeavors and we will be rooting for you and also your occasional visits by our charge d' affaires apartment. Yeah, I'll swing back in our shiny blue dresses.
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Adam Carolla
I'll come by. Let's be ready.
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Megyn Kelly
Good luck. Thank you.
- [84:38]
Adam Carolla
Thanks, Reagan.
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Megyn Kelly
We'll see you soon. Notwithstanding all the lies. Otherwise. Okay, coming up, the official poet of the Megyn Kelly show. Joseph Massey is back with a beauty of a new self published book. We got to talk to him about it and we got to support him as a massive fu to the cancellation fiends of the left who tried to ruin this man, and he refused to stay down. When the dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971, gold was fixed at $35 an ounce. 35. Fast forward to today, and the US dollar has lost more than 85% of its purchasing power. Gold, on the other hand, has increased in value by over 12,000%. And that's why major firms like Vanguard and BlackRock hold significant positions in gold. And it's also why you may want to consider diversifying your savings with physical gold from Birch Gold Group. But it starts with education. Birch Gold just announced that their Learn and Earn precious metals event is on. This free online event rewards you for learning the basics of investing in precious metals. Sign up to get free silver on your next purchase. Get even larger incentives as you go. The more you learn, the more you can earn. But you do have to act now, as this special event only runs through April 30th. Time is a wastin'. Text my initials MK to the number 989898 to join Birchgold's Learn and Earn Precious Metals event by April 30th. That's MK to 989-898 today, what does it feel like when your clothes actually feel good this spring? Cozy Earth makes a strong case that what you wear at home matters just as much as what you wear outside of the house. Maybe more. Let me tell you about the brushed Bamboo jogger set. Made from viscose from bamboo, it's lightweight, breathable and unbelievably soft with enough structure to feel put together even at home. And then there are their Lakehouse Clogs. Designed for everyday home life, they feature a cushioned footbed, ultra soft interior and easy slip on design. They are supportive enough to stand in all day, yet cozy enough to forget you are even wearing them. And with easy returns and a lifetime warranty, it's comfort worth upgrading to this spring. Give yourself the kind of comfort that lives with you all day, not just the moment you get home. Head to cozyearth.com use my code Megan for an exclusive 20% off. That's code Megan for an exclusive 20% OFF. And if you see a post purchase survey mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the MK show,
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Megyn Kelly
hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius xm. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel. And it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halperin, link Lauren Maureen Callahan, Emily Drishinski, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold, no BS news only on the Megyn Kelly channel, Sirius XM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. We are joined now by the official poet of the Megyn Kelly Show, Joseph Massey. He is out with a new book of poetry called Invisible Current. In it he includes a touching tribute to our friend Charlie Kirk. Joseph, welcome back. It's great to see you. How are you?
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Joseph Massey
Oh, it's great to see you too. I'm great. How are you?
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Megyn Kelly
Good. You look cleaner cut. Are you like. Did you have a makeover?
- [88:47]
Joseph Massey
Sort of. Not as extreme as Emily Jasinski's, but close.
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Megyn Kelly
We will do the makeover for men too. You are definitely eligible, notwithstanding the fact that you're XY instead of xx. Tell me where you are at this point in life because we've been following your journey over these five years as a reminder to the listening audience, you were terribly canceled by the truly evil poetry industry. They are among the meanest we have yet encountered amongst the cancellation brigade. And it was over an alleged MeToo situation where it was really just a meltdown with your ex where you were completely unfairly painted as this terrible man and you decided not to stay down. You decided to just keep publishing on your own. No one would publish you and you have managed to make a real career out of it. But at least five years you went from like your substack is what dispatches from the basement. You were in the basement, you didn't really have a lot of nice things around you. And then we've kind of watched you move up a little bit over the years. So what's tell us where you are now?
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Joseph Massey
Well, that moving on up process was in large part thanks to your show and your audience. And thank you for that. And since the last book was published, America is the poem was the last book. That book was a major blowout success. It was number went up to number 14 on Amazon out of all books.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Joseph Massey
For a self published book of poetry. I'm not sure that's ever happened. And so the fact that I can sustain myself through royalties and substack subscriptions is completely unheard of in the poetry world. And the fact that I haven't just disappeared still continues to piss off the poetry literary mainstream. But that's good.
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Megyn Kelly
Does it? Like how do you know?
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Joseph Massey
Oh, because they tweet at me and post about me. When I posted the poem for Charlie Kirk, some guy took it, you know, fairly well known poet and rewrote it to make it as disgusting as possible, things like that. Recently a guy recorded a two hour podcast about me and called me a piece of probably 50 times while admitting that.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Joseph Massey
He went over all the material about my cancellation and determined that I was framed and railroaded. But I have to be a POS to these people because I've been. I've been determined to be a pariah. And that's perfectly okay because I want nothing to do with them.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, because in their world, you're nothing if you're not getting invited to the right cocktail parties or seminars or, you know, poetry book fairs. And you have to rub elbows with their kind, you see? And if you don't need them or play that game, you have to be otherized. You have to be put down a notch. They have to convince themselves you're a pos. That's the only reason you wouldn't be there otherwise. They have to look in the mirror and wonder whether it's them. So all of, like, that's one of the many things we love about your story is like, it's driving them crazy. And they're bullies. They really are bullies. They're so nasty. Who'd have thought the poetry world would be the meanest? But they are. They're even meaner than the media. And that's saying something. Which is one of the many reasons everybody needs to buy Invisible Current. You can go on Amazon right now. It's 15.99 by Joseph Massey. 15.99. And let me tell you what I think you should do with this book. You should get one for yourself, and they should get a couple extra copies if you can afford it. Because I love. I did this with your last book, and I'm gonna do it with this one, too. I love giving these as, like, the housewarming gift instead of a bottle of wine. People are sick of the bottles of wine. You know, it's like half the time they don't even notice that you've brought it. You know, it's like a nothing but a book of poetry that has a story behind it and why it's meaningful. That's a great gift. Somebody's like, oh, you actually spent some time thinking about me. So that's why you should go, among many other reasons, and buy Invisible Current by Joseph Mazzi on Amazon right now for 15.99. So how do you print all the books? Like, how do you self publish?
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Joseph Massey
It's through Amazon's KDP program. When I was researching ways to self publish, that one made the most sense because authors get the most royalties. So I went with them. And the process Is. Is very simple. And I've been lucky to find designers for the books because the books need to look good. And I've tried to, you know, I've been very attentive to making them look good. The work needs to look good on the page, be framed properly, and so well.
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Megyn Kelly
That's part of what's so appealing about your work is the aesthetic, because in addition to writing beautiful poetry, you're an amazing photographer. And the poems I love in this book because they are sort of about the things that you photograph, which is nature. You find such beauty in a puddle or in a church window or in a leaf or a winter tree branches. So this, like a lot of your work, merges the two, but is specifically focused on the seasons. And the seasons are so meaningful. Like, they really are. You know, they're metaphorical for the seasons of our lives. They're, you know, factual in terms of what we experience when we wake up in the mornings and spend our days. They can have such an effect on mood. And you capture all of that in your writings. I'll read some of them. But you capture the joy that you feel that I know you and I both feel in fall, and most of our listeners probably do, too. You know, some of the melancholy of winter. You feel some melancholy in summer. I know you're not a fan.
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Joseph Massey
That's correct. Yeah. It's not my favorite season, but I really enjoy writing the. I hate summer poems. I think it's a genre I've. I've created on my own.
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Megyn Kelly
Why don't you like the summer?
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Joseph Massey
Well, it's too hot, and I'm not built for that. I melt. I turn into a large rash in the sun. I hate the beach. As you know, it's just a big garbage pile to me. Why anybody would want to sit in hot sand for hours at a time is. It's very strange to me. And, yeah, I don't. I don't like it.
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Megyn Kelly
I can relate. As I say, I spend my summers at the beach, but I don't like sand or the sun or sharks or sitting. So it's, you know, it's. It's an odd choice. Okay, let me do. I want to read from some. Here is. If, with your permission, here's under autumn. Our. Our. We both love autumn and winter. And that's. I mean, honestly, if you grew up in upstate New York, you love autumn and winter. It's like, you have to, because winter's 10 months long. And, you know, it's your season. It's like you're around the your season. Okay. Under Autumn. This again is from Invisible Current by Joseph Massey. You can buy it right now on Amazon. It reads in part as follows. Beginning again in October's amber and orange. I gotta put on my readers. My eyes are starting to go. Start again. Beginning again in October's umber and orange. Hum to speak There was a wall all summer that tied my tongue to the traffic's shadow. This morning cold air clapped my mouth into a sound that spoke me awake. Bright beyond alarm. A red barn wall imprinted with the shadow of a maple. October's slant light slices clean dark portal. I stare into it as if I could think a thought with such force I might find myself dropped on the other side. Morning's fog Dulled sun filters through a web of red leaves. I live within windows think into their vision. A late season, late time reignites the senses. Lord, don't let them close. Keep the signal clear the song open to take in what's left of October. The colors that trail behind and within me as I walk beneath the flares sent up with a vividness that the senses stumble to apprehend the red singed yellows. I hear them more than see them and somehow the sound lodges in my throat. How does sound come from color and pass through the body, making the flesh transparent to passing weather Only in October. This negotiation between apparent loss and accumulation. Come on.
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Joseph Massey
Beautiful.
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Megyn Kelly
Nobody writes it like you do. No one sees it like you do. Joseph. That's what I love about you. You. I read those words. I feel I'm there. I know exactly what you're looking at. And I know what you're feeling deep inside of you. And I share in it.
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Joseph Massey
That's. That's the idea. I want to bring the reader into that experience of the senses being immersed in this particular environment. And you, by the way, you read it beautifully. You should record the audiobook. Please talk to my agent.
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Megyn Kelly
Sweet.
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Joseph Massey
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you. I'm sure it would not be the same as having you do it. You wrote the elegy for Charlie, which was so beautiful. And we read that at the time. I'm sorry to take it here, but I've got to show you this. This happened just recently. I think it happened on Saturday. It was a group of high schoolers. It's almost too despicable to repeat. But it's literally the opposite of your ode. They used audio from the moment Charlie was assassinated. The shooting itself, for their prom outfit transition videos. I'm going to show it to you. Forgive me. Here it is.
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Adam Carolla
Counting or not counting gang violence. Great.
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Megyn Kelly
And then it shows them in their dresses. They got all sorts of props online for people from this who celebrated it. They loved it. They thought it was clever. I mean, truly, if, if your poems are beauty written down on the page, that is ugliness alive on the screen. It's the polar opposite of what you do.
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Joseph Massey
Yeah. And that's, that's what's invading the, the culture. I mean, I, I was, I knew there would be some disgusting things posted after Charlie Kirk was shot. The day he was shot and then the days that followed. I did not, actually. Maybe I'm naive. I didn't expect quite that amount of horrific vitriol and the completely cavalier attitude towards death. And not just any death, but a death that was on display for the whole world in such a horrific way. My nephew sent me the video when Charlie Kirk was shot. I felt like I was going to faint. It was so horrible. And I was watching your show when the news came out that, that he had died. And that feeling, that sickness in my stomach hasn't left and the anger really hasn't left. And I wrote the poem to. Yeah, to channel that. But, you know, my hope is poetry can help people resensitize themselves to the world because what you just showed is just a horrible sense, a horrible way to live in such a desensitized way where death is something to be mocked and made fun of. It's truly disgusting.
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Megyn Kelly
That's what's happening to us. You know, I, I tweeted about this the other day. Like, I, I don't like scrolling and just you casually see an animal abuse video or a child abuse video or children beating the living hell out of one another just casually as you're trying to catch up on the news. It's. I'm not desensitized to it and I don't wish to be. You know, I, I, maybe you can handle that with a filter. Not that I have been able to find. I don't think that should be possible. And I do think if you get enough of those inputs into your life, you become desensitized. You think like this woman, this young teenager does that, that this is funny. It's okay. You can, you can make fun of something like an assassination of a dear husband and father and what's the antidote to stop that? But there needs to be positive inputs as well. You know, truly, that this is why people should read genuinely invisible current. You need positive inputs or you become like them.
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Joseph Massey
That's right.
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Adam Carolla
Yeah.
- [101:09]
Joseph Massey
I mean, that is the role of art in our age is to resensitize people, to bring them back into the world, into experiencing ordinary life as a sacred thing and to just be in their own bodies and to experience their own breath. To take a break from the doom scrolling which is this bizarre hypnosis. I was listening to some philosopher talk. I don't remember her name, but she made a point to say I don't want to become desensitized to images. And that really stuck with me because I feel like we are becoming desensitized to images. And these kids have grown up with being bombarded with horrible things online. And we see the fruits of that and they're not. It's not good fruit. We have. We've had some distance from. We didn't grow up with 247 Internet and I thank God for that. I probably. Who knows where I would be if I had the Internet in my life as a child. But it's. It's incumbent.
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Megyn Kelly
We were outside all the time. That's just like, you know, our parents always said play outside and now they're having a very different experience. The book is a little bit of outside brought to your coffee table or your bedside table or your child's coffee table or bedside table. Like your. Your children should read this too. It's an. It's an easy read. It's not like, you know, impossible to understand or they're going to have to reread it four times and understand the. You know, what Joseph's saying. It's a, It's a. It's an easy read in that you don't have to work for it. It just rolls over you like. Like I say about the show, our goal is cool water over a hot brain. And that's what Invisible Current by Joseph Massey is too. Thank you for continuing to put these works of beauty and art out into the ether even though they tried to stop you.
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Joseph Massey
Thank you, Megan. God bless you.
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Megyn Kelly
You too. It's wonderful to see you. And wait, where can people check out the substack just so in case they want to read your dispatches.
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Joseph Massey
Just Google dispatches from the basement and you'll find it.
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Megyn Kelly
And if you want, you can sign up and you can get an email from Joseph with his latest. And it's just a burst of positivity serenity into your day. Whether you're scrolling by on Twitter and you see his feed or you get your email from Joseph or you just go there to his substack or pick up his latest book, please support his work. Invisible Current is the name of the latest. It's available right now on Amazon for 15.99 by Joseph Massey. M A S S E Y and help him rise up the charts as a statement to his bullies who tried to bully us all in their own disgusting way that we won't stay down and we won't let one of our soldiers remain down if you attack him either. Thank you. Thank you all for listening today. Thanks for supporting Joseph. And we will be back tomorrow with our Friday show. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.