Daring Rescue Mission, Trump's MAJOR Warning to Iran, and a Very Special Makeover, with Emily Jashinsky | Ep. 1289

Summary

The Megyn Kelly Show (Ep. 1289)

Daring Rescue Mission, Trump’s MAJOR Warning to Iran, and a Very Special Makeover
Host: Megyn Kelly | Guest: Emily Jashinsky | Date: April 6, 2026

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode covers a wide range:

• Megyn’s personal family Easter drama
• A major style “makeover” for contributor Emily Jashinsky
• In-depth analysis of President Trump’s escalating warnings to Iran, including his controversial social media rhetoric and the military rescue of a downed U.S. airman
• Broader commentary on the war with Iran, political coverage, and party polling
• Heated cultural debates, including women’s sports, gender roles, and the state of party politics

The show maintains its trademark “no B.S., no fear” tone—a blend of humor, sharp criticism, and candid conversation.

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Key Sections & Insights

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1. Easter Family Drama & "News You Can Use"

[00:59–06:49]

• Megyn recounts her son fainting dramatically during packed Easter Mass.
  • “He was gone...not gone, gone, just clearly unconscious...It took everything in me not to cry out, ‘He is risen.’” (Megyn, [06:04])
• Practical parenting topic: vasovagal syncope (fainting when standing with locked knees).
  • Prevention: bend knees, don’t lock legs, stay hydrated, eat beforehand

Notable Quote:
“My daughter was right. Lock your knees. What the priest was saying was important. But as it so happened, this particular Sunday morning, what my daughter was saying to me was more important for my particular family.” (Megyn, [06:48])

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2. Iran Crisis: Trump’s Warnings, Social Media Bombshells & Policy Whiplash

[06:50–14:08; 40:00–69:15]

President Trump’s Threats & Rhetoric

• Trump issues Tuesday 8pm ET ultimatum to Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz, threatening to bomb bridges and energy plants.
  • Posted a Truth Social message:
    “Open the straight, ya crazy bastards. That's F U C K I N with an apostrophe at the end or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah.” ([07:30])

Notable Quotes:

• “He wants attention to this and there’s no better way to get attention than to take it next level. ... ‘Open the fucking straight.’ I mean, that, that in and of itself—got it.” (Megyn, [41:12])
• “You do speak fluent Trump. ...I think you just cracked the code.” (Emily, [42:19])

Analysis of Trump’s Tactics

• Emily and Megyn discuss Trump's negotiation “art of the deal” style – bombastic, erratic on purpose to keep enemies off-balance.
• Trump’s messaging is hard to parse—serious threat or calculated bluff?

Legal/Military Ramifications

• Potential targeting of civilian infrastructure raises Geneva Convention questions.

• Uncertainty: Will there be major escalation if Iran doesn’t bend? Is Trump bluffing or serious about ground troops?

• Gas prices spike discussed as an outcome of the standoff ([61:43])

• Allies in Europe and the Middle East are restless; global pressure rising ([68:28])

Notable Quotes:

• “Bombing all of their civilian infrastructure will not help the Iranian people…and it actually could cost a lot of Iranian civilian lives.” (Megyn, [44:21])
• “It just makes it very difficult to pick up what…where his head actually is. That’s the point. …But then again, you’re also threatening civilian infrastructure.” (Emily, [44:48])

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3. Dramatic Rescue Mission: Daring SEAL Team 6/CIA Operation

[14:08, 69:15–76:51]

• Recap: U.S. aircrew shot down over Iran, rescued by a nighttime SEAL Team 6 op, aided by a CIA deception campaign.

  • Airman hid for 24+ hours; used beacon sparingly to avoid detection.
  • Extraction involved “hundreds of special forces,” air dominance; no U.S. casualties.
  • “Can you imagine this guy’s face when SEAL Team 6 showed up to get him? ...They don’t leave anybody behind.” (Megyn, [69:39])
  • “That is incredible…For the embarrassment that would be given to the country…” (Emily, [75:04])

• Both hosts salute the military’s skill and bravery.

Notable Quotes:

• “God bless all the troops. We’re still rooting for them. ...Let’s declare victory however we can and get out of there. Honestly, I don't care.” (Megyn, [76:51])

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4. Emily Jashinsky’s Makeover: Beauty, Confidence & Broadcast Culture

[14:09–39:59]

Segment Overview

• Megyn’s team gives Emily ("hardcore tomboy") a full hair, wardrobe, and style session (fashioned after Jennifer Aniston’s “The Morning Show” style).
  • Makeup tips, hair extensions, experimentation with style
  • Candid, often self-deprecating humor from Emily: “It is about the most uncomfortable thing you could ever ask me to endure. Welcome to that closet, everyone.” (Emily, [15:54])
  • Emphasis on style as art, professional polish, and confidence
  • Both discuss how appearance affects broadcast and perception

Broader Commentary

• Wardrobe and professional presentation as both a career asset and psychological “armor” (e.g., Megyn choosing all-black/leather when feeling vulnerable)
• Stylist Molly and hair pro Sarah lauded as transformative (“Just do what they tell you and they will take input and then overrule you.” – Megyn, [39:57])

Memorable Quotes:

• “I would suggest the all denim wardrobe suggests you also might not have been in the fine category.” (Megyn, [25:19])
• “I feel so naked without...that’s the only way I can put it.” (Megyn, [32:16])
• “It's an art when it's in someone’s hands like Molly.” (Emily, [25:26])

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5. Polls, Party Politics, and Media Bias

[77:12–88:11]

Trump’s Unpopularity & The Iran War

• Trump’s net approval among independents: “Worst ever at this point in term two, even worse than Richard Nixon.” (Harry Enten, [77:33])
• The war with Iran is polling badly; “The support for the war is down in the 30s” (Megyn, [49:55])
  • Analysis of shrinking MAGA base, risks for 2026/28 GOP prospects

Senate, Independents, and Party Headwinds

• Democrats poll even more unfavorably than Republicans; both parties are disliked, but Dems more so ([82:57])
  • Dems face “Tea Party level numbers” on intra-party dissatisfaction ([86:00])
  • Rahm Emanuel cited as one of the few rational Dems in national discussion

Notable Quotes:

• “That is Democrats. Democrats’ own net approval of their own congressional leaders. Even Democrats don’t like their own leaders when it comes to Congress.” (Harry Enten, [85:52])
• “I will say, when I look at, like, 2024 candidates, I continue to hear Rahm Emanuel say smart things that I find, like, kind of reasonable.” (Megyn, [81:54])

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6. Cultural Battles: Women’s Sports, Gender Roles, and Education

[93:43–104:53]

Women’s Sports & Trans Participation

• Megan Rapinoe decries IOC rule barring transwomen from women's sports as “hateful”; Megyn and Emily rebuke her as out of touch with everyday girls’ realities:
  • “All it takes is a couple of boys…to screw it up for everybody; let alone, it’s obviously ridiculous on its face.” (Emily, [96:50])
  • Megyn’s outrage at physical vulnerability of girls: “Doesn’t she care…I’d love to see her look that girl in the face and say, ‘so what?’” ([99:01])

Gender Roles & Parenting

• Jennifer Siebel Newsom advocates giving boys dolls and gender role “deconstruction.”
  • Both Megyn and Emily lampoon “feminizing boys,” call out the lost reality for boys in education and men in today’s society.

Notable Quotes:

• “Boys learn about caretaking from a loving mother who is caretaking to them. You fool.” (Megyn, [100:49])
• “If you put little boys and little girls into a toy store…the boys will naturally go over to the trucks. …There are certain things that are pre-wired in us genetically. There’s nothing wrong with that.” (Megyn, [103:27])
• “Boys are having worse outcomes. Why? Because you’re feminizing their environment.” (Emily, [101:49])

Attraction and Leadership

• Discussion ends with an acknowledgment (tongue-in-cheek) that “attractive people do better,” and a hope for more competent figures on both sides.

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Notable/Humorous Moments

• Megyn’s would-be “He is risen!” outburst after her son fainted during the resurrection homily ([06:04])
• Sarah threatening (jokingly) to pierce Emily’s (un-pierced) ears with her gun: “What kind of gun?” (Sarah/Emily, [19:06])

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Key Timestamps

• Easter Fainting Story: [00:59–06:49]
• Trump’s Iran Deadline/Language: [07:30–08:30; 41:12–42:19]
• Emily’s Makeover & Reveal: [14:08–39:59]
• Iran Policy Analysis: [40:00–69:15]
• SEAL Team 6 Rescue Details: [69:15–76:51]
• Polling & Party Analysis: [77:12–88:11]
• Women’s Sports/Cultural Critique: [93:43–104:53]

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Tone & Style

The episode is classic Megyn Kelly: brisk, irreverent, sharp-tongued but thoughtful. Banter with Emily Jashinsky is dry, witty, and intelligent, transitioning from serious geo-politics to light-hearted fashion talk, to blistering cultural critique.

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Useful for New Listeners

• The show deftly blends hard news, personality-driven storytelling, and cultural commentary, making complex issues accessible and often entertaining.
• The analysis is candid, combining humor, lived experience, and pointed criticism.
• Quotes and timestamps provide easy reference for further listening or context on the show's perspective.

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Transcript

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[Megyn Kelly]

Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. Oh, we have a lot, a lot, a lot to bring to you today. What a variety, too. First of all, I hope everyone had a wonderful and relaxing Easter Sunday and belated Happy Passover to our Jewish friends. Can I tell you something crazy happened in our family at Easter Mass yesterday? We went, the five of us, and we went to the 9am Mass and we got there early because we knew that it would be, you know, the, you know, there are a lot of people, a lot of Catholics only go on on Christmas and Easter. We are not five of them. We go every week. But we knew that it was gonna be extra crowded, so we got there about 15 minutes in advance. I thought that was gonna be enough to get a seat. Wrong, Wrong. We did not get a seat, even though we were 15 minutes early, which seems like a lot to me. Anyway, we didn't get a seat. So we wound up standing in the aisle, which was toward the front of the church. We didn't stand in the way back. As you know, we were close enough that we were, we were almost seated anyway, so the five of us were lined up along the side of the church wall right by a window and to the side of the pews and to the other parishioners and, and we made it all the way through to the homily and during the homily, the way we were standing, it was Yates, our eldest, who's 16 next to him, Doug next to him, Thatcher, who's 12, then me, then Yeardley behind me. As you're looking at the front of the church and as we get to the homily, the priest was giving a very nice homily. It was, of course, obviously it was about the resurrection, but it was more than that. It was like apologetics. It was all about the proof. How do we know Jesus was resurrected? What is the actual hardcore proof of it? And as you may know as you. Cause you listen to this show, I've been very, very into that ever since Charlie died. And I've been reading everything I can get my hands on to educate me on it. And so I was like, oh, this is right in my wheelhouse. I was very into it. And in the middle of the homily, my daughter yearly, who's 14 for another week or so. I said, mom, tell Thatcher and Yeats to bend their knees. And I didn't know what she was saying that for. I figured, you know, like, just to stay comfortable or whatever. But I was like, honey, listen to this. This is important, right? Because it was right in the middle of the homily, well within like a minute or so, the priest ended the homily and Thatcher, who's right in front of me, my 12 year old turns around and said, mom, I feel nauseous. I'm like, oh. So I'm like, okay, let's, let's go, let's go outside. So I told my husband, am I older too? We're going to step outside for a bit. So we start walking down a very crowded aisle. You know, it's. You know how it is on Easter is like people on, like completely crowded. But anyway, we're making our way and he's going really slowly. He's walking right in front of me. I have my hands on his shoulder and I go, honey, do you think we can go a little faster? Because I'm worried he's going to throw up in the middle of the aisle. And he, he didn't respond. So I kind of peeked around to look at his face and he did not look good. He looked ashen. I was like, oh, no. And just as I'm realizing he doesn't look good, he starts to go down. He goes down. I'm like, oh, my God. So he kind of crumbled almost. It was like a slow mo. Faint, crumbling forward. I grabbed him. There was a nice man at the end of the pew who kind of reached out and helped grab him so that he didn't have a hard fall. And then we laid him down to where like I had his head. And one of the parishioners was like, put his feet up. By this point, Doug and my other two had run over. And so Doug got his feet up. I took off my jacket, put him, put it under his head. And now you're just kind of waiting for him to come back. He was gone. You know, not gone gone. I just mean he was like clearly unconscious and it was obvious he had fainted. And now you just have the waiting game of like, what, what's going to happen next? Everyone in the church was so sweet. People were like, here's some water. Do you want us to call a doctor? I'm like, I think he's going to be okay. You could tell, like he was breathing and he was like able to move. He was just unconscious, or I guess I think you do call it unconscious when you've fainted. And sure enough, he opened his eyes back after, I don't know, a minute, roughly. And then he slowly kind of sat up. And I. I'm not. As soon as I realized he totally was okay and it was a fate. I'm not. It took everything in me not to cry out. He is risen. I didn't do it like this as inappropriate. We've already been disruptive enough. But it occurred to me, anyway, we got him up and we walked him out. And can I tell you, he was like, fine as soon as we left the mass, like, he got some fresh air. He, his obviously his vasovagal situation resolved. And my husband Joe, because we go between two different churches and my husband's like, we could still make the 9:45 at the Sunday. Of course my kids eyes are like, what? We did not. So we did not. I don't think we technically fulfilled our Sunday obligation because we did not get communion, but we, but we had a good reason. I think God understood. And then today, okay, so then my daughter was like, mom, you should have told him to bend his knees like I told you.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I'm like, what?

[Megyn Kelly]

That was about not fainting. And now in the past 24 hours, I have learned so many parents have had this happen with their kids in this exact way. Or it often happens, I guess, at choirs, like chorus performances, where kids are standing for a long time. And my daughter Yardley had heard this from her middle school principal who told him a story about a girl passing out while on the choir roster on the Top of the top riser and she got hurt. Now she always reminds the girls, bend your knees when you're standing up straight for a long time. And I just asked online AI this morning, is it common for kids to pass out when standing for a long time with locked knees? Answer yes, it's actually pretty common, especially in kids and teenagers. What you're describing is a classic setup for a brief fainting episode called vasovagal syncope. Syncope? Syncope. When? Why? It happens when someone stands for a long time, locks their knees and doesn't shift their weight or move. It reduces the normal muscle pumping action in the legs that helps blood return to the heart. This can lead to blood pooling in the legs, a temporary drop in blood pressure, reduced blood flow to the brain and fainting. Kids and teens are especially prone because their nervous systems are a bit more reactive and they may not recognize the early warning warning signs. Then they say it shows up a lot during school assemblies, choir or performances, ceremonies like graduations, parades, church services, standing information like scouts or ROTC warning signs. Most kids feel something first, like dizziness, lightheadedness, nausea, sweating, tunnel vision, which he also said he told me later that he had ringing in the ears, so in any event, he was fine. They say that prevention is Lock your don't lock your knees. Just like Yardley said, keep a slight bend, shift your weight or subtly move your legs, stay hydrated and eat beforehand. Indeed, he had skipped breakfast yesterday morning. So what a crazy situation. Good to know for us and for other parents out there and for kids. My daughter was right. Lock your knees. What the priest was saying was important. But as it so happened, this particular Sunday morning, what my daughter was saying to me was more important for my particular family and I wish I had listened. So anyway, there was our drama. He was fine and we had a very nice Easter, spent it together, the five of us. Just as I just as any ideal for me is. So anyway, lots of love to you and yours and there you go. News you can use. There is a lot of other news this morning moving fast and furiously on this very busy Monday around Iran and else else and other subjects. President Trump has set an 8pm Eastern deadline tomorrow evening for the Iranians to open up the Strait of Hormuz. Of course this is like less than a week after he said we we're just going to leave and they're going to open up the strait. It's going to happen naturally, like we don't care about the Strait. But I guess we do care about It. Because now we're saying that deadline he set a while ago of like 10 days to open the straight still holds, even though we said last week kind of it doesn't. Um, anyway, I guess it does hold. And the president saying, if they do not open the strait, the president will target Iran's bridges and energy plants. And you may have heard he issued that warning in a very Trumpian way. As he put it on Truth Social on Easter morning, quote, open the straight, ya crazy bastards. That's F U C K I N with an apostrophe at the end or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah. Unquote. Okay, that's real. I actually texted my team, is this real? It's real. That that did come from Trump. You're gonna wanna stay tuned to our entire show because in the next hour, Mr. Trump is expected to hold a press conference which will likely include details of the dramatic rescue. Thank God. We left on Friday with the one pilot not having been found. They found him, thank God, and he's okay. And the rescue appears. Made for a movie. There's like a seriously dramatic situation. He was a weapons systems officer and his plane was shot down deep into enemy territory in Iran on Friday. By the time we went to air, then we had the pilot, but we didn't have this guy, and now we do. Trump says he has some minor injuries, but he's going to be just fine. You're going to want to hear about this rescue, no matter how you feel about the war. Just hats off to the amazing efforts of our military to retrieve our guys. And what we know so far is that it involved a dramatic SEAL Team 6 nighttime op, along with the CIA deception campaign. I mean, those SEAL Team 6 guys, these are just badasses like those guys, the Green Berets, the Rangers. It's just next level. It's very impressive. First, though. Okay, first, we started on something dramatic in my family. We teased what we're going to get to that's dramatic in Iran. And now we've got something kind of fun. And there's a reason we have to start the show with it. It's going to become apparent to you in a minute. It's something about our good friend Emily Jashinsky, who is here with me in the red studio. She's outside the studio. I don't see her yet, but. But she's going to be coming out on set in a minute. Now, Emily is host of After Party, which is her own show on the MK Media podcast network. You can watch it live every Monday and Wednesday at 9pm or you can catch it as a pod after the fact they post it. She also hosts the MK Wrap up show that comes on right after our show does on Sirius XM channel 111. Well, recently we decided it might be fun to, to do something for maybe some contributors to the show and possibly some viewers. And we asked Emily if she would be our guinea pig. And she is so sweet to me. She was like, I'll do it. And then behind the scenes she told the team, oh my God, I'm very uncomfortable with this. But she did it cause she's such a great team player. And here's what we did. We decided to hook her up with the very same team that's responsible for much of my look each day. I should state for the record, I am not wearing a Molly look today. I'm wearing a little leather jacket. Sure, she'd be fine with it, but she did not, just for the record, put this particular thing together. But I got together the woman who's been doing my styling now for many, many years, Molly Cohen. And my dear friend and hairstylist, Sarah Clementi, who does hair and makeup, though I do my own makeup. And I put, we put Emily Jashinsky through this glam team's professional skills. And we documented the whole thing. You're gonna see her. I don't know if we'd call it a makeover so much as a, like a sprucing, a zhu zhing. Maybe she didn't need a makeover. She was stunning then, she's stunning now. But we documented the whole thing and we'll see the big reveal in a minute. Watch this.

[Sarah Clementi]

You wanna look at yourself and be like, I look good.

[Molly Cohen]

That's kind of our job. Finding that aha moment where we make someone feel like themselves in the best way.

[Sarah Clementi]

Some people are like, oh, I don't care. You're lying. You absolutely care. No one wants to feel like shit.

[Molly Cohen]

My name is Molly Cohen. I'm a stylist.

[Sarah Clementi]

My name is Sarah Clemente. I'm Megan's hairstylist.

[Molly Cohen]

Been working with Megan for almost eight years.

[Megyn Kelly]

About six years.

[Sarah Clementi]

Traveling on the go, doing her hair on a plane.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's not heating in a car.

[Harry Enten]

The number one priority today, link, making sure that everyone's hair looks absolutely flawless,

[Molly Cohen]

even at zero G. We've really defined Meghan's look. Very effortless, a little sex appeal.

[Megyn Kelly]

Let's hope the absence of double sided tape doesn't come back to haunt me.

[Molly Cohen]

And then Also very serious and professional. We kind of love walking that fine line. Not me, obviously. Before my time. Oh, this one. Whatever you do, don't do this.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, I just do what Molly tells me.

[Molly Cohen]

Look how far we've come.

[Megyn Kelly]

The school says they're gonna be out of luck. New York Times reporter Judith Miller says

[Sarah Clementi]

she went from being conservative.

[Megyn Kelly]

Two big things happened.

[Sarah Clementi]

Up top, you know, to having more fun with it. Sexier.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. What a crazy week in news. It has been choice that you can make anybody hot.

[Sarah Clementi]

She always says that, and I love that. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Is that true?

[Sarah Clementi]

I think so.

[Megyn Kelly]

And I'm telling you, if you fall in Sarah's good graces, she. She can make you look like me in, like, two. Two months.

[Molly Cohen]

I think that we're gonna see a different side of Emily.

[Sarah Clementi]

Emily has full potential.

[Megyn Kelly]

Ready for this?

[Emily Jashinsky]

It is about the most uncomfortable thing you could ever ask me to endure. Welcome to that closet, everyone. Not a big hair, makeup, clothes, person. As people may know, I look denim. Denim. I'm actually even wearing a version of this shirt. This. I don't even. I don't even know what to say. I don't like having to dress up. Hey, friends, you usually get away with jeans on the bottom because only your upper body is on the camera. How would you describe your personal style? I reject the question. I don't know if anyone remembers the cartoon Doug from the 90s where he goes to his closet, and it's like, 20 different versions of the exact same outfit. But as a. I watched that, and I was like, that is the dream. I'm into feeling even more confident and about, you know, hair, makeup, and clothes and all that. Cause it's tough. It's tough. Especially when you don't have a lot of professional help.

[Sarah Clementi]

Is anything off limits? Just a little bit goes a long way. And, like, that's what we are doing for her.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's a little bit.

[Sarah Clementi]

She's gonna warm up to it. Watch. So we got on Zoom two or three weeks ago just to, like, get an ide of, like, what we're allowed to do. Her vibe.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I was such a hardcore tomboy, like, growing up, I just was hardcore. So I never really learned how to do a lot of that type of thing. Like, I don't have my ears pierced. I've never painted my nails once in my life. I don't particularly want to.

[Molly Cohen]

Is there any person that you watch or follow whose style inspires you? Someone that you just like, pause on

[Emily Jashinsky]

Jennifer Aniston in the morning show.

[Molly Cohen]

Oh, I love that.

[Megyn Kelly]

I am Unprecedented.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Simple, and, like, elegant. She looks good in anything.

[Sarah Clementi]

I think that you're way more girly than you think you are. Today. I think we're just gonna kind of guide her to put the pieces together and how to do it. The essentials, like, you have a good base, and then you just kind of build off of that base. Very excited because she said that she's okay with extensions. Rub it all over you. I got makeup for her that I think she'll be able to do herself. We're gonna work off what she already has. I just want it to be easy for her. Like, you could be a sexy tomboy.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Wow.

[Megyn Kelly]

Amazing.

[Sarah Clementi]

As we both kind of saw it. You saw it too. When she started trying on the clothes, at first she was like, ugh, I'm absolutely nervous.

[Molly Cohen]

This has to be one of my favorites.

[Sarah Clementi]

And then she started liking it. Slowly. Confidence is building.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Amazing.

[Molly Cohen]

Oh.

[Sarah Clementi]

Helps everything. If you're confident, you're thriving. I want her to look at herself and smile. Be like, I actually like the way

[Megyn Kelly]

I look right now.

[Molly Cohen]

I so wish I could put a tiny earring there.

[Sarah Clementi]

Do you want me to pierce a. I tried piercing her ear. She said no. You know, I have a gun at home. I'll just.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'll do it.

[Emily Jashinsky]

What kind of gun?

[Sarah Clementi]

From how we first met her to today. Transformation attitude and all, she's giving full girly vibes right now.

[Molly Cohen]

That gives it a little edge, you know?

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah. No, I like it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thoughts?

[Emily Jashinsky]

I don't love the top.

[Sarah Clementi]

She is now, like, kind of a diva.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That is not true.

[Sarah Clementi]

This is the process of being like, I don't like that. Yes, I like that.

[Megyn Kelly]

I really like this.

[Sarah Clementi]

So this is how it starts.

[Megyn Kelly]

We are doing this more my way.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I did not kill either of you, and I didn't even hit you.

[Sarah Clementi]

I think the confidence is what Megan will be most excited about. She's laughing, she's having fun, she's comfortable, and I think Megan will see it instantly.

[Molly Cohen]

Need to pick a look for the big reveal. Okay.

[Megyn Kelly]

Can't wait to see.

[Sarah Clementi]

Okay.

[Emily Jashinsky]

This one's definitely my favorite.

[Molly Cohen]

Oh, my God. I think Megan Mullen gets.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Ah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay. So I haven't seen the final product, like the madeover Emily, but she's here, and she's been getting her hair done, and she's coming in now, so let's bring her in. When it comes to your dogs, why does there often seem to be compromise on their food? It's either fresh and healthy, or it's easy to store and serve. But with sundaes for dogs, you actually can get both. Founded by Dr. Tori Waxman, a veterinarian and a mom who got tired of seeing so called premium dog food full of fillers and synthetics and then giving it to her dogs. She designed sundaes which is air dried real food made in a human food grade kitchen using the same ingredients and care you would use to cook for yourself and your family. Every bite is clean, packed with real meat, fruits and veggies. No weird ingredients, no fillers. Best of all, just scoop and serve. No freezer, no thawing, no prep, no mess. Just nutrient rich food that fuels their happiest, healthiest days. Consider making the switch to Sundays. Go right now to sundaysfordogs.com Megan50 and get 50% off your first order. Or you can use code Megan50 at checkout. That's 50% off your first order at Sundays for dogs.com Megan50 she joins me now for the big reveal.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Oh my God.

[Megyn Kelly]

Look at this sophisticated beauty.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Hi, Megan.

[Jennifer Siebel Newsom]

Hi.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Plug myself in.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, plug yourself in. Oh my God. So first of all, you look so good. Look at the waves.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Beach waves.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, Sarah's an artist.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's amazing.

[Emily Jashinsky]

She's amazing.

[Megyn Kelly]

You are such a good sport.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I was happy to do it. No, I wasn't.

[Megyn Kelly]

You look incredible for the listening audience. She's got this great like sky blue suit on, I would say with like a, like a white tank underneath. Yeah. A beautiful diamond necklace that she's got the beach comi. Here, look at. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now they can see you. Oh my gosh. You look so pretty in your makeup.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Again, Sarah is amazing, but she.

[Megyn Kelly]

But it's nice. It's not overdone.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, right. Like, yeah. And actually she helped me get to a point where I can almost do it myself.

[Megyn Kelly]

Is that right? Okay. And she put a couple of fake hair pieces in there.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I am wearing the hair of some Eastern European woman. In all likelihood, most of it's mine, but not all of it.

[Megyn Kelly]

So you think you never know quite where it came from.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yes, that's a good point.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it's like, you know how they say if you take like an organ from somebody, you might take on some of their characteristics. Have you been feeling like, especially like bossy, like a German or.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I haven't, but now I might. That you've said it. It's gonna get in my head.

[Megyn Kelly]

That hasn't really happened to me. And I've got a bunch of other people's hair in my Head, too, once you get with there. It's funny because she. She did my hair, as she said, for many years. And when she first started, she was like, why don't we put a couple pieces in there? We'll just do a couple. And she lures you in, and then before you know it, she's gotten you, like, full. Like, as a friend of mine calls a full bombshell with the long hair a lot. But I do love it. It does make you feel so good.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, thank you. Yeah. Sarah's amazing. Molly is amazing. The whole team here is people. If people have never been behind the scenes, which most haven't, they just miss that part of it. It's so much fun to be with the team.

[Megyn Kelly]

Talk to me about what it felt like to go through the wardrobe situation, because I love for the listening audience. When Emily showed us her all. Literally all we saw was the same denim button down.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I wore it today. It's upstairs.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's, like, in 10 different versions of it, but it's literally just like, light denim, dark denim, light denim, dark denim. Like Doug. Like, not my Doug, but the Doug in the cartoon you featured there. So what was it like for you, looking at this whole other, you know, realm of possibilities based on the Jennifer Aniston character?

[Emily Jashinsky]

You know, I hated every second of it, Megan. But it's fine. I mean, it's got, like. It's a part of journalism and broadcast is just. You have to look like you have it together and, you know, like, you can't look like a crazy person. You have to look like you're organized and together and professional. And so it's something that sooner rather than later, you have to take care of, and you have to do a good job with it. So it was important, and they made it so, like, it could have been so much worse. They had so much fun.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well. And you know what I have found? Of course, obviously, I pay them for their services, but I think they wind up paying for themselves, because, believe it or not, like you, I was also a tomboy growing up. My favorite picture of myself is of me in a tire swing where you cannot tell if I'm a boy or a girl. I have boy hair at my own request, by the way. I wanted that haircut. And I also am not very good at fashion when left to my own devices. Like, I can, as you pointed out, that thing, like, I can do the top. Like, this is not a Molly top, as I pointed out. But by the way, it's by Commando. For those of you who like this Little leather top, which is very cute, I think. But I put myself in Molly's good hands and she can pull together all these beautiful outfits. Sometimes I wear them on the show, but I always wear Molly clothes when I'm like, at a public appearance, you know, because if you don't have that gift, it's kind of like home decorating. You just don't have that gift.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right. And it's really, it's so artistic in the hands of a professional. So, like, if you're just doing it as a normal person and an amateur, like, you could probably do it fine. But it's an art for people like Molly, and she takes it seriously.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know. If we do do it fine. I was not doing it.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, I don'.

[Megyn Kelly]

I would suggest the all denim wardrobe suggests you also might not have been in the fine category.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I will gladly take that feedback, but I mean, that's like, it is an art when it's in someone's hands, like Molly. And so it was really, it was actually really cool to see that from her.

[Megyn Kelly]

When you feel, well, how do you feel right now, like, all dressed up with the makeup and the hair, you're looking bombshelly.

[Emily Jashinsky]

So I never, ever get nervous for anything like this. Yeah, I was so nervous about today because I don't. I just like, don't like being in the spot spotlight, which is kind of weird. Yeah, Like, I don't. I'm not into like, hair and makeup and clothes and that sort of thing, but I feel great. I mean, I actually, to your point about somebody like Molly paying for herself, I took her advice and like, bought some of the stuff she picked out in different colors. Well, yes, now I'm sounding back to Doug, but I really did do that, and I feel like I won't have to replace a lot of it for a long time because it's just like really, like, reliable. And you can mix and match.

[Megyn Kelly]

And once you learn what looks good on you and what doesn't too, that's helpful. Like, I recommend seeing a stylist once, if for no other reason than that reason, like, you thought you look good in high waisted pants, but you don't. Or you thought that, you know, this particular style was flattering on you, but it isn't. And so, like, that. That too pays for itself. Otherwise, it's like furniture. It's. It's true. I cannot decorate a home to save my life, and I have tried many times in the apartments and the houses I've lived in over the years. And it wasn't until I hired a professional that I was like, this is. It's expensive, but it's less expensive than buying stuff you wind up hating and wanting to get rid of it a year later, you know? And that's the same is true with wardrobe, I think. And I do think wardrobe is transformative. I. Mood dress, you know, like, it's Monday. There's a lot of hard news. We're talking about Iran, we're talking about soldiers. The political scene is rough and tumble right now. I like having the leather on.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I didn't know that about you, but that makes so much sense now that you say that.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, the.

[Emily Jashinsky]

The.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'll tell you something. The. You know, when I did that event for Charlie Kirk, right after he was killed at Virginia Tech that night. So that was a scary one because it was before our tour launched. It was like, two weeks after Charlie had been murdered. And it was only the second tour stop. Michael Knowles did the first one post Charlie, I think, in Minnesota, and I did the second one post Charlie. And, you know, the. Charlie and I were supposed to be there together anyway. There was no way I was not going. But it was extremely tense, and there were multiple reasons why we were on edge that night. And Molly was sending me. Molly knew none of this, you know, like, she's. She does fashion. She's not, like, totally immersed in the political world. So she's sending me these beautiful outfits, like, possible for me to wear. And they were, like. They were red or they were pink, or they were, like, kind of floral, or they were girly, you know? And I. I wrote back to her something I've never said. I said, molly, I said, I'm worried about getting shot. I want something in all black. I want something that feels like armor. And I did wear something that looked like armor that night. I did have leather on, and I was in all black. Not that it's going to protect you. Right. It's just a.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It's a psychological.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's psychological. Yeah. And the same as, like, if you're going to go to the White House and cover President Trump, like, I wouldn't wear this, but I would wear what you're wearing in a heartbeat, where you want to feel, like, a little elevated and professional and, like, dress the part. Right. You know, and it.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It matters to how other people perceive you. It changes how what you're saying is hitting other people's ears and how they're seeing it and perceiving it. So it is important. I mean, you can be the most eloquent person in the world. And we love to think that it wouldn't matter, you know, how you looked or what you. But it does, it obviously does. And so I think actually that's super interesting because it changes. I mean, it gives probably you psychologically. I'm just thinking about that example, the gravity that you wanted to come to the table with. And then it also conveys it to other people too.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, absolutely. So you do have to have like a couple those wardrobe pieces where like, if you want to look like a grown up, feel like a grown up and project like a grown up, you can. But the tomboy instinct is very fun. Like, I, I also have that in me, but. And like, yes, 100%. I mean, I will dress. Dress feminine. Thanks to Molly. She'll put me in things that I do like, but left my own devices. I mean, truly what I'm normally. I mean, right now I have on my aloe pants, which I wear every day. I'm gonna show them. I love them so much. Like, it's.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, that was just so comfortable.

[Megyn Kelly]

They're just truly. It's like I don't, I don't want to show my stomach, but as these as aloe and they're kind of baggy and I really love them.

[Emily Jashinsky]

They look really comfortable and I have on ugg.

[Megyn Kelly]

Huge shit kicking clogs. As you can see there. They're very large. They're the most comfortable thing I own. But my point is simply when I'm here, generally I am comfortable and I love that. To me, it's actually the biggest middle finger of leaving the mainstream media is that we can do what we want. You can wear a T shirt. You don't actually have to go glam for this job at all if you want. If you don't want to. Normally I want to. And that's part of growing up in tv. I'm very used to seeing myself on camera looking like this. And if I don't look made up, I feel, I feel like exposed.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's confidence, but I admire that you can go on with next to nothing on and feel totally confident.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, I. So I spent, you know, probably five or so plus years more than that doing a lot of Fox and cable. And I absolutely hated every second of it. And so I felt completely liberated when the pandemic rolled around and they were starting to do like zoom hits and that type of thing. So I love this era, but you can't go full. And I, I noticed that right away that like, I Can't just, like, take off all my makeup.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And wear, like. I try not to wear hats and that type of thing, but you can find a balance. I'm finding a balance. I'm finding a balance.

[Megyn Kelly]

It is true. And I will tell you that, like any man, that it's usually the men who don't want to get the makeup, and they all learn the hard way that if you don't, you look like Casper the Friendly Ghost, because these. These lights that we need to light up the anchor's face so people can see him or her. Wash you out.

[Emily Jashinsky]

They get you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. So it's like you. You just get used to, like, putting it on. And men, they only resist the first time. Once they've seen themselves. Then they're like, okay, I'll do it. Because the men don't want the makeup.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Oh. They don't want to have the compacts, but they do.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And they don't leave them when they're doing. When they're going on air, they'll have the.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right.

[Emily Jashinsky]

They have them with them.

[Megyn Kelly]

And then the normal men will wash it off after they leave. The men who leave it on all day are sus.

[Emily Jashinsky]

The normal men. Yeah. It's a little weird because it's not comfortable either. If you're a man, probably.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, but it's funny because, like, I'm at the point now where, like, a completely naked face feels so foreign to me. I mean, I do that twice a day. I wake up like that, and I. In the evenings, I take off all my makeup before I go to sleep, and I walk around my house with my family. But, like, I just feel so naked without. That's the only way I can. I can put it.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It was probably because the last, like, however many years of your life, you're. Every single day, people look at you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And talk about you and are, like, commenting on you.

[Megyn Kelly]

We wouldn't want to get, like, caught you by the paparazzi in your completely undone hair and completely undone face. I guess I don't know.

[Emily Jashinsky]

All the time.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, yeah, but now I feel like. But you're. You're. I just feel like you're naturally pretty. I feel like. I don't know. I feel like I. I'm so pasty without my stuff. Truly, I. I do. I feel like people would be like, my God. She. She has no pigment.

[Emily Jashinsky]

TMZ all coming.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's funny because I had. I saw my primary care physician last week, and we had a very interesting conversation about looks. Oh, yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

He Goes maxing.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, he. I. That's how it got started. Because I asked him if he had listened to that conversation on the daily.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

About clavicular.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

This guy who. Who, like, coined that phrase. Looks maxing.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

And I was laughing because it was all about how, like, guys are now taking supplements and they're having surgeries or they're doing Botox or the GLP one. And I was like, that's called being a normal. How is this a thing now? Like, they didn't invent this. This is like, every woman I know has had many needles in her face from, you know, regular Botox or filler or whatever.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It is all on meth constantly.

[Megyn Kelly]

Lasers meth.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, that's what he.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's what he's on.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, he's microdosing.

[Megyn Kelly]

But anyway, I was kind of laughing that it got this. The New York Times treatment when it's a man. But it's. When it's a woman, it's just kind of like a day ending. And why. And he was like, well, aren't you looking forward to 10 years from now? And I said, why? And he said, because your looks will no longer be the primary thing people notice about you. Before I even got it out, I was like, no, no, no, I'm not.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Why would he say that?

[Megyn Kelly]

Nor do I accept that that's what's happening. In 10 years, I plan to go down swinging. There's so many older women I know who are stunning, and I think it's really just a personal choice whether you want to, like. But he was like, it will be liberating for you when the first thing anybody notices about you is what you have to say. I was like, well, I think people listen to, you know, whatever. It's a combo. But he was raising a good point, which is, I definitely think about looks when I walk into a room. Not every woman does. And that's probably extremely liberating to just be like, here I am. I don't give a shit what you think of my looks.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah. But it's one of those things where you can't do it when you're like, A, of course, broadcasting, but B, source meetings. Like, you have to have a certain level of professionalism. And I do see younger people who grew up during COVID and they want to go do journalism, and they just don't have that same. You don't have a choice if you, like, I'm not that old, but, like, 10 plus years ago, you didn't have a choice. You had to, like, learn how to conduct yourself professionally. And I do think that might be getting lost with like, Covid era kids.

[Megyn Kelly]

I have this, this bias. I mean, when somebody walks in for an interview or what, and they are like, pulled together, they don't have to look as fancy as you do, but, like, just pulled together, I. I am more favorably inclined toward them than if somebody came in with no makeup, hair undone, and like an outfit that I thought was on the slovenly side, I would hold it against them. I just feel like, togetherness as a person, like, as somebody who's gonna work for my company projects. Something like a. A meticulousness, an attention to detail, a caring. You know, I do find that, like, a lot of people who make zero effort are depressed and that it can be a tell that like, they couldn't find the energy.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Isn't there social science about how people will just innately, unintentionally, they assign like, lower degrees of trust to the obese and. Oh, yeah, I'm pretty sure there's social science on that. And the reason I say that is I think it conveys. I mean, the theory is that it conveys a lack of discipline and so you just don't. Or self control. And I think there is something about. Even if you're somebody who's like, I don't really care that much about clothes or whatever, but you should convey that you care enough about the meeting or the broadcast or whatever it is to dress like you care.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And so there's something to that.

[Megyn Kelly]

People might be surprised, but I actually have a bias. I do not want to gain weight. And I go to this primary care physician, which I've told the audience before, he's a fattest. Like, he won't let you gain two pounds without guilting you. Say, you know, how many. Two pounds is over ten years. Good luck getting that off. So. But I like that because I don't want to gain weight. But personally, I have a soft spot when I see somebody who's obese or who comes into my life who's obese. Because my mom has always been overweight. She loves when I tell this story.

[Emily Jashinsky]

She must. She must.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. My mom's been overweight my whole life. When I was a kid growing up in Syracuse, she was, like, really overweight. Now she's slimmer. But I associate that with, like, warmth and love and like, funny. And I don't know, my mom is so great that that's what I associate that with. So I almost have a bias in favor of people who are Pleasantly plump. She will not like any of these words.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I hate this. And now I'm gonna get blamed. But no, it. But now. It doesn't take a lack of discipline to be overweight because of the food that we eat and the lives that we live. So it doesn't reject that necessarily anymore. It's just like an innate, I think, human reaction for whatever reason.

[Megyn Kelly]

So now what kind of reaction have you gotten to, like, has. Has the significant do. Are we out with a significant other? Do people know who it is?

[Emily Jashinsky]

Philip?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, good.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Philip Wegman of rcp.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, first day at the Wall Street Journal today.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, no way. Oh, congrats, Phil.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I probably shouldn't have said that, but.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, he's the best. He is a cutie patootie. And it's no surprise these two are together, but it actually was a surprise to me because I didn't know that. So did he see any of the.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Before this was like, before I knew you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Just as we launched the show, he asked to do an interview. And I was like, I don't know anything about Phil. And Steve Krakar is like, he's great. You're gonna love him. I'm like, I trusted some. You know, I'm. Yeah, I know, but I'm so suspicious of any. Any reporter. I don't know. And he was awesome. And the piece wound up completely fair and great. So anyway, I love that you two are together. So has he seen Made Over Emily?

[Emily Jashinsky]

He loves the extensions. He loves the extensions. And yet he. He always. Yeah, he. He loves whenever I dress feminine. And so, yes, he's very pleased.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, he. We're big fans of his. All right, so the reason we did this is. I don't know why we did this exactly. I just thought it would be fun. I just thought it'd be fun, like a sort of a lighter side of the show. And in my mind, what we're gonna do is we did you. Maybe we'll do one other person associated with our show, maybe not. But I want to take this to the audience. Like, I really would love to have, like, audience submissions on. Is there someone in your life who you think deserves this, deserves an MK show makeover or judging? I will do men. I will do men. Mark could use our help.

[Emily Jashinsky]

You're unnoticed. Mark.

[Megyn Kelly]

Mark needs Sarah Clementi. I will make you hot treatment.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Oh, extensions.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, but Mark's a good looking guy. He just, you know, like, if. If he spends some time in Molly's care With the wardrobe, I think we could take a next level. I'd love to see what they would do with Link. I think Link wouldn't let anybody touch him. He's like, girls, I've nailed it.

[Emily Jashinsky]

You can improve on.

[Megyn Kelly]

Anyway, give us some thought. Ladies and gentlemen, listening now. And if you have somebody who you want to nominate for this treatment, a little MK show makeover with some wardrobe and some hair and makeup, email me. It's Megan M E g y [e-mail] we are taking your submission. So fun. Thank you for being our. Thank you, stunning guinea pig.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I know that it was painful, but your team is so much fun and you're so much fun that they made it a blast. I love Sarah, Molly and everyone else.

[Megyn Kelly]

Aren't they great? Oh my God, they're so great. Just do what they tell you and they will take input and then overrule you.

[Emily Jashinsky]

But it's fine.

[Megyn Kelly]

They'll make you feel like you're a part of the process.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Sarah's my new best friend.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's been saying the same. Okay, let's keep going because there actually is other news to discuss today. 12:37, we finally get to it. We know about Thatcher, we know about Molly and Sarah and your makeover and my visit to my doctor. Let's get down to the news. So. So before we get to the rescue, what happened this weekend? Cuz it really was a stunning thing. The President's messaging on Iran has been particularly erratic over the past week. And I don't know whether this is all strategy. You know, Trump likes to keep the enemy guessing whether the enemy is the actual enemy, like we're seeing with Iran in a war or just people he's negotiating against like China in a tariff battle. So he often has erratic messaging that to us looks kind of crazy, but to him is just, you know, a tactic that we will later understand or we won't, but he thinks we'll give him a leg up. So I don't know what's happening here, but there, there's no question in my mind he didn't say open the fucking straight F U C K I N apostrophe. You crazy bastards. Yeah, crazy bastards.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Like full Roy Cohn.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, There, there's no reason, there's no question he did that. Not because he's gone insane, as his worst critics have said, but for a reason. My, my first thought is he wants attention to this and there's no better way to get attention than to take it next level. And let's look at the messaging around. Open the fucking straight. I mean that, that in and of itself. Got it. I'll remember that one. He wants it open, not closed. And around it is Tuesday will be power plant day, bridge day. All wrapped in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Triple exclamation. Open the fucking straight, you crazy bastards. All I can think of is that scene in Home Alone like you filthy animals, you know, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch, that has all caps. What is it the just watch, get all caps. Praise be to Allah the other day. Okay, I don't know why Allah's here the day before.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That's the best part of the pod.

[Megyn Kelly]

He ended it with glory be to God. So maybe he's being an equal opportunity. Oh, you know, maybe it's a first amendment situation where he's not trying to promote one religion. Sure, he's really conscious of that.

[Emily Jashinsky]

You do speak fluent Trump. You were talking about this on Friday show. I think you just cracked the code.

[Megyn Kelly]

It did stick out to me that he's being an equal opportunity religious promoter. So. And then he says to. He gave two interviews over the phone, one to ABC and then there was a second one, Sorry, that's in my AM update where he's making clear they need to open the straight. I mean it's all about like open the straight or else. So what do you make of it all?

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, your point is, I think the important one that he literally wrote about this negotiation style and art of the deal. And we saw it over and over again exactly a year ago with the tariffs. And this reminds me so much of the post Liberation Day tariff negotiation that was going on via X where he was making these movements massive deals, or at least he thought he was via increasingly, I don't know that I would say erratic with the tariffs, but maybe increasingly bombastic posts on X. And you can never disentangle what is serious from what is negotiation. And that I think is his point. I think that's what he wants to do. He wants you to not like you said, he wants to keep people guessing. But he also doesn't totally want to telegraph how serious or non serious he is about anything. And so you end up having to take action absolutely everything seriously, including posts like this, which are threats of essentially war crimes. And that leaves the public in a really odd place because you and I both know the media has covered Trump so poorly for so long and every single tweet was taken like the end of the world. And I think this term he's really leaned into doing these global deals via true social acts or whatever. And I think he's realized that you can, you can confuse people, keep people guessing by posts, and it just makes it very difficult to pick up what his, where his head actually is. That's the point. I think that's intentionally why he's doing it. But then again, you're also threatening civilian infrastructure and the like. So it's hard.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right, because we are supposed to be, you know, eventually helping the Iranian people. At least that's exactly one of the goals that was originally stated, though it's waffled. Bombing all of their civilian infrastructure will not help the Iranian people and it actually could cost a lot of Iranian civilian lives. So we have to be like super careful about that. The, the rules as I understand it under the Geneva Convention say if they're using these things to support the military, then possibly fair game.

[Emily Jashinsky]

The bridge last week.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. But if they're, if they're purely a civilian, like the desalination plants should not be touched. He had mentioned that in one truth, which notably did not make the most recent truth, which I'm sure somebody got to him to say. That's a hard no on those though. One was struck last week and then there was a finger pointing about whether about who had done wasn't us. It was like Iran said Israel did it and Israel said Iran did it. I'm trying to remember exactly where it happened.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And our government was saying that it was being used for war purposes so that it would, it could be used for like weapons transfer, transportation and that type of thing.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, I will say, like, I'm having difficulty believing everything that our government is putting out, which is strange for me. Like, I normally would believe our government. And it's not about Trump. It's about having been lied to for so many years in Iraq and Afghanistan and having accepted their lies unquestioningly and peddled them, you know, unwittingly. And I just refuse to be the conduit to that. Again, like, it's very easy to. It's very interesting to me, Emily, that virtually all of the loudest pushback on this war has come from people who are in the independent news space. Right. Like, I would say the independent lane has been most forceful and probably most effective in, in turning around public opinion on this because no one owns us, no one controls us. So it's like one thing. If MSNBC is like, it sucks and Trump sucks, of course, they all know what they're doing on Team Blue, even though a Lot of those Democrats are beholden to AIPAC and are not saying that in any way because, like, they actually want to make a point about Israel's control. You know, they're just saying it because they hate Trump. But there's a lot happening in the independent lane right now. These podcasters who we were told have absolutely no power, who I think are turning sentiment with some people, because we're all able to report very openly and honestly on the folly of what we're doing here and the reversal and the betrayal that this was to Trump's campaign promises. And look, the president, I told him this directly that I don't support this war, but I do support him. And there is a difference. You know, you can still support Trump and his agenda without. You don't have to go full tds, Right, in order to say I object to this war. And I don't think this is a good idea. And I don't know, have you noticed this at all, like, in the coverage? Because, you know, we're. If you turn on Fox News, you only have one message. And there is a reason for that.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I was going to say case in point would be looking at cnn, where actually this is interesting, very anti Trump network, but not a lot of pitched criticism of the war itself at all. Like, have there been many viral CNN clips of, like, Trump Iran takedowns?

[Megyn Kelly]

Not particularly, no.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And I think that's because there's a lot of baked in support for what you're hearing at the Pentagon or from. I mean, a lot of the leaks right now are very obviously coming from the intelligence community. Like, Natasha Bertrand had scoop last that

[Megyn Kelly]

everyone is the discredited reporter who had all the scoops on Russiagate that turned out to be completely false.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yes. And interestingly, that scoop she had last week with Jim Shudo, who was like chief of staff to the ambassador to China during the Obama administration. So clearly this was coming from somewhere in the, the, I would say, like, military intelligence world that was about how actually Iranian Iran still had like 50% of its missile launchers and that type of capacity. So you're trying to, like, piece together why that story came out when. But this is. I mean, there are decades of pieces of evidence that people brag about afterwards in our own government when it comes to propaganda that they were feeding to the press over and over again throughout the Cold War. It is not like some giant conspiracy. You can look at the memos yourself. And so it's part of any government's playbook. And now people are just wise to that because the Internet democratizes.

[Megyn Kelly]

If it's a government you support, yeah, they're going to lie to you, and especially as a member of the press.

[Emily Jashinsky]

But you have this contrast of having seen it from the inside and now being on the outside, and that has to be a really interesting experience.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's disappointing because I, I don't, I can't, like, I don't want this to sound like, too weird, but, like, I really care about this administration. I care about the players. You know, I, I did back them personally, and I still back them. And I really, really, really desperately want Trump to just get back to the agenda that he actually did run on, you know, both for the nation's sake and for his sake and his party's sake and for 2028's sake. I've kind of given up on 2026, to be perfectly honest with you. But, like, 2028 could still be salvaged and could definitely be hurt. Right. And so I just, I. People don't support this war. The support for the war is down in the 30s. So it's like the President can make himself feel better by saying, well, Maga's totally behind me. Well, Maga is 15% of the population. That's not enough to win elections. You need not only maga, you need the majority of Republicans who are not all maga. And in fact, more and more are saying they're not maga. The people who say that the portion that says it's MAGA is dwindling at the moment. And you need outside of Republicans, you need independents. And if you can get some crossover Democrats like he did in 24, so much the better.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right?

[Megyn Kelly]

So let's, Whatever we thought or he thought about this war, whatever sweet nothings Mark Levin and Lindsey Graham whispered to him.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Did you see his Levin tweet last night?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yet another one.

[Emily Jashinsky]

The Supreme Court should be watching Mark Levin, though.

[Megyn Kelly]

That is what he.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That is how they spend their time.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my God. Like, he loves Mark Levin. We have to admit it. He's obsessed with Mark Levin. Who among us, I mean, he doesn't want to get. Get to know him intimately, because I'm telling you, there's a secret he's hiding there.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Apparently not a secret anymore.

[Megyn Kelly]

I, of course, have never, I can't attest to it, you know, individually.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I don't know what you're talking about,

[Megyn Kelly]

but I'm just saying, you take one look at him and anybody who's got that much to prove, and he's got

[Emily Jashinsky]

a problem, you know, See, this is The. Here's what's dangerous. Actually, now that I'm thinking of it, the proportion of MAGA voters shrinking. Harry Enton had that stunning CNN poll that people were actually like, surprised by when it showed like 100% of MAGA two weeks into the war was in support of Donald Trump. Those are like the Mark Levin types. And you wonder if you just start listening to this group that's getting smaller and smaller and it's the Fifth Avenue voters, which is the term that I term of endearment that I use for those folks who Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and still support them because they trust him. Everyone else was lying to them and he correctly told them that, so they trust him. There's something like rational about it. Even if I disagree with it.

[Megyn Kelly]

They.

[Emily Jashinsky]

If that's. They're not going to criticize you and you're only listening to them. And they're getting more and more isolated in a bubble that is frightening in a wartime scenario. And the MAGA coalition was not just. You explained this really well when you said you were MAGA adjacent. That is how so many people, high profile critics of the war were, but they were being called MAGA because the media didn't understand what it actually, actually was.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's exactly right.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And now the right is not understanding what it actually was because they're looking around. You were maga?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Why aren't you with us?

[Megyn Kelly]

No, there's a litmus test. And I mean, the President still thinks he can punish certain of us by saying you're not maga. Like, it's not a punishment. My audience knows I'm not maga. I never was.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Except for on Halloween.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, on Halloween, that's true. But I care about the president and I support him. And I love to get off the Iran war if possible. We'll be right back. We're not done. You're busy. I know. But let me tell you about Daily Look. It's the number one highest rated premium personal styling service for women. Daily look is a game changer, ladies. You get your own dedicated personal stylist to curate a box of clothes based on your body shape preferences and lifestyle. I mean a real personal stylist, not an algorithm. And you get the same stylist every time to build continuity. She knows what's in your wardrobe and what you guys have built together. So head on over to DailyLook.com and use the code Megan to get 50 off your first order. You can try on up to 12 premium pieces per box in the comfort of your own home, saving you time and effort. Whether you need something effortlessly chic for spring brunch. Oh, spring brunch. That sounds nice. Yes, you want to look good for that. Or a polished look for the office or school drop offs. Daily look has got you covered. But what you love, you keep it and you buy it. Okay? Then you send back the rest that you don't love. You will get free shipping both ways. It's time to get your own personal stylist with Daily Look. Head to DailyLook.com to take your style quiz and use the code Megan to get 50 off your first order. Once again, that's DailyLook.com for 5.0percent off. And make sure you use our promo code Megan so they know we sent you one last knot. One last time for you. Dailylook.com, promo code Megan.

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[Megyn Kelly]

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[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean that's a little old for Megan after.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, it's true. Do 900 numbers still exist?

[Emily Jashinsky]

I think maybe like when I was in middle school watching like MTV at night. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, now it's just only fans. I guess if you want to like talk dirty to somebody, you could find

[Emily Jashinsky]

somebody there out of business probably.

[Megyn Kelly]

Or maybe it's bimbo Ification. Yeah, those ladies will talk dirty to you. According to the Brian Gnome phone records that each one of these Ladies is producing. Every day we get a new one.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I just try not to think about haunts me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Did you happen to see Tim Dillon?

[Emily Jashinsky]

I did.

[Megyn Kelly]

All right, we've got to show this to the audience. We love Tim Dillon here. He's brilliant. He's like the best comedians. He's brilliant.

[Emily Jashinsky]

He is.

[Megyn Kelly]

And. And he. It's not that he masks it. It's just that his Persona is, like, funny and slapstick and, like, irreverent as hell. But he is brilliant. Just listen to his words and his takes, like his. His ins and outs on various stories. And this. This is a combo clip, but he took on the issue of Kristi Noem and Brian Noem while wearing, for the listening audience, similar prosthetic boobs and a shirt to what Brian Noem famously, infamously was wearing in those Daily Mail photos last week. Watch.

[Tim Dillon]

The family was blindsided by this. Ms. Noem is devastated. The family was blindsided by this. And they asked for privacy and prayers at this time. What am I supposed to prom. Supposed to pray for this guy in his tits? So wait a minute. All the horror that's happening in the world, people are literally being vaporized by machines of death flying, you know, in the air. We were bombing schoolgirls while they sit in class. And I'm supposed to pray for Kristi Gnome's husband and his H cup tits? That's where the direction my prayers are supposed to go in. When the people in Gaza are wandering around trying to find grain so they can bake a loaf of bread, I'm supposed to pay pray for Kristi Noem's husband and his big tits. Well, I will not pray for your husband and his big tits. How about that? You can pray for his big tits. Do you think she threw the tits out? Was she like, give me those tits?

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my God,

[Emily Jashinsky]

I hope Brian Gnome wasn't watching that, because it might have worked.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, he probably. Probably loved them. It's gonna be bigger than H. Oh, no. Yes, I agree. Yes. Bigger than H. Actually, I know somebody, a dear friend of mine who was in that neighborhood, and they are definitely bigger than H. Seems like it. Yeah. Way bigger than H. They're closer to the end of the Alphabet.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Tim did a great job.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, he did.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Replicating.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, I see his point is like. And by the way, you know, we talked about this with Marina, but the vast majority of people, I think, believe that Kristi Noem knew about this long before the she's devastated statement to the media on when it broke last week, and she's just now, you know, it's just now coming out. Some believe she leaked it in order to generate sympathy for her because she's been having this alleged affair with Corey Lewandowski, which she denies. But everybody has seen them together, I mean, multiple times. So I don't, whatever, I'm over those two. And they're weird marriage. I don't understand what they're doing, nor do I care. Let's get back to what the president is saying. He is speaking out about specifically the Iran war and he is basically setting this deadline of tomorrow night. And by the way, he's going to be speaking momentarily and we're going to be monitoring it for news and we'll bring it to you. But. Okay, here's what he said to is it Fox News's Trey Yings tier in SAAT2B? Let's watch it. This is not just Trey Yings. This is today. Let's listen.

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[Emily Jashinsky]

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[Megyn Kelly]

Mr. President, are you willing to continue the war? Well, you'll have to watch.

[Harry Enten]

It's an easy question. The answer is yes, but you'll have to.

[Megyn Kelly]

What do you think of the latest proposal?

[Harry Enten]

They made a proposal and it's a significant proposal. It's a significant step. It's not good enough, but it's a very significant step. They have made. They're negotiating now and they've made it. Very significant step.

[Megyn Kelly]

We'll see what happens. There's a, there's a band in the background because it's the Easter egg roll at the White House. And by the way, this just hit too, during the break of Trump speaking to the very thing that we were speaking to, which is why did he use the language he used. Look at this.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Why did you use such vulgar language

[Megyn Kelly]

in that true social tone?

[Harry Enten]

Only to make my point. I think you've heard it before, Mr. President. Why did you say, praise be to Allah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Have you spoken to the families of

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the airmen that were safe?

[Harry Enten]

I'm going to be doing it right

[Megyn Kelly]

now to make a point.

[Emily Jashinsky]

You called it. You do speak fluent Trump.

[Megyn Kelly]

He got us talking about it. He got everybody talking about that post.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, and your point also was that he wanted to call attention not just to the, the post, that he was angry or whatever. Specifically to the straight.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yep. Open the fucking straight.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yep.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Built the animals.

[Tim Dillon]

It worked.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It worked. He did it. So well done.

[Megyn Kelly]

I guess he did not answer on the Allah thing. He chose to answer the other question of have you spoken to the families Again, we're going to get more details on that right now. So he, he's, he's frustrated because it sounds like, I mean, at every turn, the Iranians say no. The President reportedly proposed a ceasefire for some. Was it 45 days? And Iran already said no? They're not interested in it because they're enjoying watching him suffer politically. They want that. They don't want to relieve that pressure. And they also said that they think it would give us time to regroup. I'm not sure we need to regroup. It's really. We can do what we want to do. It's just a question of whether we have the political support for it and willpower to do it. President Trump is now saying we don't need ground troops. He says we don't need ground troops. But like Mark Thiessen, in listening to his tweets and so on, or posts, came out and said, we're gonna take this strait. There's no way of doing that without ground troops. So really, he's doing a good job of keeping everybody guessing. We don't know. And so if the Iranians don't come to a deal by tomorrow night, do we believe Trump, that there will be a major escalation on our part?

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, I mean, it seems impossible, like with the Strait of Hormuz right now, it seems impossible that you could have any deal, ceasefire, anything, with Iran still in control of the Strait of Hormuz and Trump be able to claim a W. Just. It's not. Even by Trumpian public relations standards, it's not possible, it's not feasible economically. None of it makes sense. Maybe that's what they meant by regrouping, because right now, gas prices are already getting very hard for Americans to stomach upsetting allies.

[Megyn Kelly]

Except at 419, I think, a gallon,

[Emily Jashinsky]

the average in DC, my gas station was 520 yesterday.

[Sarah Clementi]

A lot.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It was insane. And, but that's. I mean, all over the country, California, full serve. It's terrible. Yeah. Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, we've got to factor that in. About $0.10 more a gallon if you go full.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, that's probably true. Otherwise, over $5, I always go full surf. It's. It's just crazy. And so anyway, the administration, like with the taco thing last year, everyone always said Trump always chickens out. That was the joke. And sometimes, yes, he. What did he say? He looked at the markets and they were getting a little wobbly or something like that, but it's not, and this isn't a defense of it, but it's not necessarily chickening out. It's a question of him trying to figure out how far he can push.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

How far he can push the public, how far he can push other people while still working towards some w. Some way to say this was a success.

[Megyn Kelly]

I agree. And it's the funny thing with Trump is like, I don't think it's a question of chickening out. He has plenty of guts. That's not an issue to the Supreme Court. He stood up and started speaking to the crowd when he just got shot in the head like, he's not a chicken. He's actually quite brave. It's just his negotiating tactics appear erratic to those of us who don't behave this way. I can't remember where I heard this discussed, but it was a good point. They were saying that with most, might have been the guys at rcp, that with most presidents, everything is a build up to if this fails. You get troops, you get invaded. And with Trump, it's almost like you're invaded. Now we can talk.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right, Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like he kind of goes that way first with some shock and awe military moment, and then says, all right, now that I've got your attention, let's chat.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Which is how you do business deals. Like that's. It's actually the negotiation strategy again that he wrote about. It's how you do business deals on a high level. If you're Donald Trump. Trump, maybe not now everyone does business deals, but it's how Donald Trump.

[Megyn Kelly]

Your Jamie Dimon doesn't go that way.

[Emily Jashinsky]

But yeah, but I mean, real estate world. Sleazy, high level real estate world. Yeah, exactly. But when you're doing it on the world stage, with Greenland being a very good example, directionally not insane. Everything that he was saying about Greenland, directionally not insane.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, he persuaded me. By the end, it's not a crazy

[Emily Jashinsky]

case at all, but it already because of the process. And this is the question, like, are the means justifying the end and the means of that process alienated, like populist conservatives in Europe? And so the question is, were the means of alienating all of those potential allies worth the end? And I mean, with Greenland, what is he going to do for the rest of his term? I don't know. But right now it looks like, no, that was not worth the end of what we got.

[Megyn Kelly]

I think Europe's been complaining a lot lately because they're mad about this war. I feel like I have a tough time feeling sorry for Europe. You know, they've been taking advantage of us for a Long, long time. It's fine. We wanted it that way. You can't really say it's taking advantage when we set it up that way. Like, we're gonna be your military protector, we're your big brother, you know, but while that's been happening, they've, their values have changed, like fundamentally from what they used to be and they've, we've really had a serious question put out there into the, into the world order about whether we should be their big brother, you know, like, if we're just going to continue being more and more provocative in Europe and elsewhere when it comes to Russia, when it comes to like getting closer and closer. Everybody's part of NATO now that the one thing they know Putin doesn't want. I'm not defending Putin. I'm just saying saber rattling like that endangers everybody and is unnecessary. It's not all Europe. We did that too. And in the meantime, the crackdowns on free speech, the refusal to crack down on rape gangs in the UK because of skin color, that it's like, I guess you can rape with impunity if you happen to be black, as long as you target a white girl. Can we go after them if they target brown girls? I don't, I'm not sure what's gonna, what it's gonna take. My point is simply they are a shadow of their former selves. I don't think a lot of us are feeling like teary eyed about. No, you know what, stop us. Stop, stop with the, your, your, you know, indignant over the President's behavior. He's finally treating you the way you've been treating us and your own people for a long, long time. You just do it behind closed doors in a way that feels to you more civilized. But he does it out in the open.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, and it works like he got NATO defense spending up through different countries.

[Megyn Kelly]

He at least got a promise of it.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right? Yeah. From his threats. And on the other hand, he now wants NATO to go in and start, start opening the strait. If they, they are more reliant on that oil and gas, he wants them to go in and do it themselves. And just the question is not because I agree with you. I mean, if you accept Big Brother's protection and then you don't want to take the demands. It's not, you're not upholding your end of the bargain. So obviously the bargain is not. The bargain is broken.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And that's what I really think.

[Megyn Kelly]

They need their own military, like the Post World War II order it's. It's outdated. We don't need it. We don't have to be the policeman of the world. Why are. Why are we, like, why do we have all these troops in Germany and South Korea still? Like, is that really necessary? 50,000 troops in the Middle East, Is that necessary? Like, unfortunately, the Middle east actually have been good allies to us, and they, too, have a bunch of values that we don't necessarily share. But we've been making headway over there. It was better than the nine, 11 days. And now we've gotten them bombed because Iran is striking out at them, which is a terrible move, but makes sense strategically because it's. It's upsetting. It's raising the stakes on us. It's raising the pressure points on us. All of our Middle east allies are looking at Trump like, let's wrap it up. Even though they like seeing some of it, they like seeing Iran get bombed because they're not big fans of the Shiites.

[Emily Jashinsky]

But, well, and then Trump would. What if he ends the war? Ends, quote, unquote, ends the war and they've gotten bombed to hell. Many places in the Gulf have. And the Strait of Hormuz is still being controlled by Iran.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I know. He says if we leave, it's just gonna open up. It says, okay, fine, if that's true, great, then let's let it be somebody else's problem. Yeah, but clearly he told. That's not going to be the case because his messaging changed almost immediately after that message on Wednesday night.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right. And even if you're a defender of the American empire and you want the US to have you, you will openly defend which is the most honest way to do it, US Imperialism. Even if you want that, all of this has practical implications for our relationships with our allies. And that's the point that I was just trying to make. Like that matters. At the end of the day, you can't just, you know, say, we're going to get to a better place. Follow along with me. Trust me. It's like, well, these countries are getting bombed. We're not getting bombed.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, I know.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Their markets are like Japan, so reliant on this. Like, this is bad for all.

[Megyn Kelly]

The warnings coming out of Europe are dire on the energy crisis heading their way. Dire.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yep.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, they'll feel it, and then we'll feel. We're already feeling it a little, but we're gonna feel it more. A couple months lagged after Europe, and Trump knows that, so he's got. I mean, he's got a Lot to balance here. He's trying to wrap this up. And I have to say, the Iranians, they won't bend. You know, they're, they are some stubborn mofos over there. And they see that their best. Their navy was never gonna defeat our Navy. Their Air Force was never gonna defeat our Air Force. It's this test of wills. Like, how much pain can they take while they ratchet up the pain on Trump politically? And they're good at that. They're good at. They don't really care that much about the lives of their fighters. So these IRGCs are like, yeah, go ahead, you know, take em. If it costs you another point politically while we drag this out even longer. Great.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

So this is. And what. We've seen this in the Middle east. We knew this about them. Like, we knew that the Taliban was like this and Al Qaeda was like this. The Iraqis were like this. Now the Iranians are like this. Like, this is all foreseeable. I just. The whole thing is very stressful. Let's keep going because there's a lot more to discuss and there's no, there's no good answer. Let's spend a minute on what the, on the rescue of the troops because that actually is very, very cool.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Awesome.

[Megyn Kelly]

So this effort to go in and get our, our soldier who abandoned his, you know, he ejected out of his plane that was going down. He is a, A crew member. That's how Trump described it. We got him. My fellow Americans, over the past several hours, the US Military pulled off one of the most daring search and rescue ops in US History for one of our incredible crew member officers who also happens to be a highly respected colonel. I'm thrilled to let you know he's now safe. Safe and sound. He was never truly alone because his commander in chief, Secretary of War and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and fellow war fighters were monitoring his location 24 7. And then they say, he says that the military sent dozens of aircraft armed with the most lethal weapons in the world to retrieve him. He sustained injuries, but will be just fine. And then the details are just quickly. He ejected. He hid in a mountain crevice in a location initially unknown to either Americans trying to rescue him or Iranians trying to capture him. This is per the New York Times and Axios. He's a weapons system officer. He only had a pistol to defend himself. He was equipped with a beacon and a secure communications device. But he restricted the use of his beacon because he was worried about the Iranians detecting it. Per a senior US Official to the Times. The airmen evaded Iranian forces for more than 24 hours, at one point hiking up a 7,000 foot ridgeline. He was shot down in a region of Iran where there is significant opposition to the Iranian government, reports the Times. And he may have been able to rely on locals for shelter, though that's unclear. We don't know. Per a senior administration official to the Times, the CIA initiated a deception campaign to try to confuse Iranian forces. The agency ultimately found the airman's hiding place. They don't tell us how, which is probably smart. Passing the info on to the Pentagon, which mounted the rescue operation, said this official. The mission involved hundreds of special forces troops and other military personnel, dozens of US Warplanes, helicopters, and cyberspace and other intel capabilities. It was a night mission that took commandos deep into enemy territory. Navy SEAL Team 6 Commandos extracted the officer. Can you imagine this guy's face when SEAL Team six showed up to get him? Such an awesome moment. That's so great. They don't leave anybody behind. I mean, just ask Dakota Meyer. That's how he got his Medal of Honor. Even the fallen going back and risking his own life to get man after man after man. Per a senior US Military official, commanders as commandos converged on the downed airmen. They fired their weapons to keep Iranian forces away from the rescue site, but did not engage in a firefight with the Iranians. So I guess there was no return fire. Then the transport planes that were going to carry the commandos and the airmen to safety got stuck at a remote base in Iran. They decided to fly in three new planes to extract all of our guys and gals, and then they blew up the two disabled planes rather than have them fall into Iranian hands. One other detail per Axios, before or right after the soldier ejected, he said the phrase God is good. They say he is a religious person. Trump erroneously reported as power be to God. Close, close to good old Trump. He, he hit the eject button and then said maga. But it was God is good. And as for the Israelis, Trump said they helped the IDF, helped the U.S. military, quote, a little bit it. So in any event, he's, he's safe, thank God, and out of there. Like, that's one thing you can't begrudge anybody who's been conducting this war is just the absolute belief in the power of the US military, the precision, the extraordinary abilities to go in there at night. I mean, this is Iran. This is Iran.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's not Kuwait. It's not friendly territory that could potentially still be targeted in the heart of Iran. They found this guy somehow. Who knows whether he turned on that beacon or not.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Without losing anyone.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not a.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Apparently without a firefight. That's remarkable. And he was missing, as far as we know, for a long time. This wasn't like a half an hour.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

This was, what, probably more than 24 hours.

[Megyn Kelly]

More than 24 hours because it happened overnight Thursday into Friday. Right. I think. Pretty sure.

[Emily Jashinsky]

So that means, yeah, they have. Iran has time to look for him. The propaganda win from the IRGC's perspective, if you can. I mean, that he was in such high demand, to say the very, very least, so that we could. Without having troops on the ground. From what we know of the CIA's infiltration of Iran, it's mostly reliant on Mossad. So it's an interesting point about idf, that there's Israeli intelligence in Iran that it's often what we rely on for our own intelligence about Iran. So I wonder if that was the reference to the idf. I don't know. They have their own intelligence.

[Megyn Kelly]

I think they said, I read that it was an intel. The. The little help that he said the IDF provided. I read he said it wasn't intel.

[Emily Jashinsky]

So that's all the more impressive from the CIA. And to coordinate with the Pentagon like that, I mean, you can't take it away from Midnight Hammer. You can't take it away from Venezuela. You can't take it away from this. The precision, the expertise, the bravery. That's incredible from these men and women who risk their own lives for one man.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, amazing. And for the. The embarrassment that would be given to the country.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, it would have been a huge propaganda win for the Iranians to get this guy.

[Emily Jashinsky]

They could have made him say anything.

[Megyn Kelly]

It would have been a nightmare. You know, the Iranians should be glad, because one hair on that guy's head and it would have changed the war sentiment over here.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, and also, this is how conflicts escalate into, I'm not sending ground troops, I'm not sending ground troops. And then, oh, we have to send ground troops. And then more die, and then more have to be sent.

[Megyn Kelly]

If any of us saw this guy being used as propaganda on some hostage tape, I think the war would immediately have 90% support. Like, go get him. We're not allowing that shit.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That's how it happens.

[Megyn Kelly]

So thank God, for many reasons. Trump just said that he. The rescue mission for the second Air Force officer involved 155 aircraft. Wow, 155 aircraft. So we do have sky dominance. Unfortunately, they're still able to have some impact over there, which is how that, that jet went down. Two of them went down on Friday.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That's a question because the President had said, what did he say? Total air dominance.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, A couple of days before. So still clearly we do in terms of like their, their Air force, but like, I mean they still have some, maybe the surface to air missiles. We're not sure what they're using but they got that f. That, that jet down with and then they also got, they hit the, I think it was the helicopters, at least one of them that were coming for the jet to help the jet, but no one killed as far as we know, which is remarkable. So Godspeed to that officer and his family. And you know, it's a minor miracle that he's okay. It really is. So God bless all the troops. We're still rooting for them. We want it to end, want them to come home to safety. Let's declare victory however we can and get out of there. Honestly, I don't care.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, well, because the longer it goes on, the more opportunities for escalation come up. Exactly. Like this one last week. Yes, it was heart stopping for everyone when they heard about this. But part of the reason is because it can keep leading you down the road.

[Megyn Kelly]

Politically not going well. But at least now we have some bad news for the Democrats too.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Same as any day.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, but I mean particularly bad news. Bad. I'll start with the bad. This is just one from Harry Anton on the independents. This is one of the reasons why not the primary, but one of them that we need to wrap this thing up asap. This is real. It's not fake polls. It's all the polls are showing this. But here's the latest Sat 5, if

[Harry Enten]

there's one big number from this is that Donald Trump now has the worst net approval rating among independents of any president ever. At this point in terms of term two, he is worse than Richard Nixon who would be going adios amigos in a few months back in 1974. And term two, look at this. Minus 45 points worse than George W. Bush at this point in term two, the Iraq war was weighing him down at minus 37. And worse than Richard Nixon when of course there were all those impeachment hearings back in 1974. At minus 36 points, he's nearly 10 points worse among independents on his net approval rating at this point in term to Donald Trump is then Richard Nixon. My goodness gracious.

[Megyn Kelly]

Fisher Nixon. Richard Nixon got a bad deal I was going to say it, but anyway. Okay.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Whoa. You should do a spot. You should do a true crime style special on that.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know I have a lot of thoughts. In fact, I do. I am going to. There's somebody in particular I have in mind. A book on this. Yeah. When the. When the news cycle quiets down.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I think I know who it is.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I bet you do. Every year we go skiing on President's Day sometimes and we wear ski. We wear these jerseys that I had made that have the presidents, like, various presidents on the back, like their pictures.

[Emily Jashinsky]

You make your kids do this? I do.

[Megyn Kelly]

We've got Reagan, we've got Lincoln, and little Thatcher wears Nixon.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Coolest kid on the slope. No question.

[Megyn Kelly]

Doug went for Martin Van Buren just to confuse people. Nobody knows what. Because it's got their pictures on it. Like, you can see that. It's one of those old timey, like, white hair photos. People are so confused. They see Doug's.

[Emily Jashinsky]

He's custom. Yes. Such a waste of money.

[Megyn Kelly]

Who the hell knows what Martin Van Buren did?

[Emily Jashinsky]

I mean, no one. Me. Not me.

[Megyn Kelly]

We're bringing him back.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Good. It's about time.

[Megyn Kelly]

Anyway, all the lifties will say to Thatcher like, you're. Oh, you're. Are you a Nixon fan? And Thatcher's now gotten to the point where he knows to say, it's complicated. He was framed anyway, so that's bad. Those are some bad old numbers there. I am on the independents, and it makes you a little concerned about 20, 26 and the Senate.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, well, the Senate I don't think is getting enough attention. There are races. I mean, so first of all, the polls that are coming out of Maine, it's very early, and Susan Collins has proven enormously resilient.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Dems fielded a. This is controversial, but I do think Graham Platner is a strong candidate.

[Megyn Kelly]

So I do think Maine is on the team. I agree with you.

[Emily Jashinsky]

I think Dan Osborne is a. Is a strong candidate. He's independent, but he's running in Nebraska. I don't think Texas is on the table, but I think there are a couple of other places where it's. I mean, it's. It's not. It's looking like things are a toss up. Ohio could possibly be one of those places when you have numbers like this. Because what I was gonna say is looking at that when Harry Anton talked about the George W. Bush numbers, that is such a visceral memory for all of us.

[Molly Cohen]

The.

[Emily Jashinsky]

The way the culture turned against the Republican Party during that time period.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yep.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It doesn't just infect the president. And that's doubly bad for Trump because he needs that coalition to come out for him. This has always been the case. Yeah, it's very hard to do when he's not on the ballot. And it's going to be even harder when he's not on the ballot and people don't like him.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, unless they surprise us and say, this will be the first year Trump's not on the ballot is a good thing. I don't think so.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Interesting point, but it doesn't motivate. You need the base to be really, really excited about Trump.

[Megyn Kelly]

And the Republicans don't have their own independent brand.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right. And if he's telling you to go support Susan Collins, you need that to work. You need that to make the mom who's busy with drop off. You need her to say, I'm actually gonna go to the polls today. It's important.

[Megyn Kelly]

There isn't the motivating factor right now, other than they're not Democrats. You know, it's like there was a motivating factor in 2024 for sure. You know, Trump's agenda was so different from that of Kamala Harris. I don't regret voting for Trump one bit. I mean, what that want? She wanted to cut off off the body parts of young children. Just a fucking psycho. Okay, so at least Trump's got. I disagree with the war, but at least he's got a rationale for it that he's pursuing that you could, like, say, okay, I understand. Sort of.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Just kind of been all over the

[Emily Jashinsky]

board, kind of follow it.

[Megyn Kelly]

But there's a few reasons, real reasons that have been offered. So the Democrats have not yet gotten to the place where the. Where the country's looking at them is like, okay, you're a reasonable alternative.

[Tim Dillon]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's sanity right now. I will say, when I Look at, like, 2024 candidates, I continue to hear Rahm Emanuel say smart things that I find, like, kind of reasonable. I realize there's a whole history there, but he is the only Democrat I see that's making some sense. Like, he says things that Republicans could get behind. He'll never make it through the primary process. Anybody who's sensible doesn't on Team Blue in particular. But here's what they're up against. We'll stick with Harry Anton. Why not 58.

[Harry Enten]

Look at this net favorability party ahead at this point. Midterm of years with the GOP president. In 2018, Dems were up by 12 in 2006 on net favorability. Which party like more Dems are ahead by 18. Republicans are actually ahead on that favorability at this point by five points. So Democrats are just simply put running behind their previous benchmarks and they need to be running well ahead of them if they want to take back the United States Senate, given that math. To be clear, both parties are wildly unfavorable right now. However, Democrats are even more unpopular than Republicans.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Some of these charges.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. All right, there's some good news. They hate both parties, but they hate the Dems a little more.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That's amazing, by the way.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right. Like how we started a war that no one likes.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Trump is the most polarizing figure in modern politics other than George W. Bush.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And he is now Adolfo W. Bush. Levels of popularity and Democrats are still five points below. And when I checked RCP last, their averages compared to the 2018 midterms where Dems had that blue tsunami. I think it was even Harry Anton that called it that. Right now Republicans are. It's not as bad as it was then. So the margin is still not as strong for Democrats as it was when they had their blue tsunami year. And I think some of that is hangover from 2024 because. Because not all of them have figured out how to talk like Rahm Emanuel on culture questions.

[Megyn Kelly]

They're crazy. All I think about when I think about the Democrats is those very unattractive people in Minneapolis. That's when I think Democrat. That's what I think. I thought they were beautiful. I think them and I think crazy. Alyssa Slotkin, like lecturing Pete Hegseth like, I know, I know you've done your genuflection. That's smug, arrogant. I'm better than you. I look down my nose on you even though you've done three tours of duty. Like F you. I like that. To me, I could never vote for never. I mean, honestly, Trump could drop a nuke and I'd still vote Republican over those people because they want to avenue voter in some ways, I really am. But honestly, what they want to do is nuke our own country. You know, it's like the open border. What they're doing to children, all that stuff is still they would do it all if put back in power. And I think most Republicans know that, which is why we have have that sound bite from Harry Entin and here's a little bit more from him on how the Democrats own voters feel about them in Sat.6.

[Harry Enten]

You might say, okay, well, at least Dems like Democrats. Not the case look at this. The majority of Democrats are independent su. Lean Democrats. Look at this. 55% say, no, congressional Democrats do not have the right priorities. And then you just see a minority 45% of Democrats say that congressional Democrats have the right priorities. This, to me, just jumps out of the screen because it screams primary challenges all over the map. And it says that even if Democrats don't like Donald Trump, they don't like their own party either when it comes to Congress. And overall, I mean, my goodness gracious, the bottom has fallen out. The bottom has fallen out minus 4 points. That is Democrats. Democrats own net approval of their own congressional leaders. Leaders, even Democrats don't like their own leaders when it comes to Congress. And overall, of course, the numbers are just absolutely awful. So Democrat on Democrat crime. Absolutely. This, to me screams again, primary challenges across the map. And it screams to me, hey, when it comes to those next leadership elections, maybe something might be cooking.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not just the leadership elections. That's reflecting just how loathsome most of these Democrats are, especially the ones in Congress.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It's so. It's such a mess for Democrats for a couple of reasons. First of all, those are Tea Party level numbers. And there was a poll that came out last July that showed it almost exactly mirroring Tea Party era for Republicans. And what that means, to Harry Anton's point, is primary challenges. We're already starting to see that mostly it's falling along the Israel line for Democrats, which is interesting because a lot of their lack of appeal to average Americans isn't just about that. I mean, it might be some of that if you're kind of an independent leaning Democrat, that people don't agree with them on their gender, sex and gender policy and they don't agree with them on the border. And they have not come up with any suitable answers for the independent leaning Democrats on either of those questions. They've tried and then gotten shouted down. And their own staffers have quit, like in the case of Seth Moulton, and just had to walk it back. Gavin Newsom had to walk it back.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, so weak.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It's a litmus test for voters. And just in the same way they see Israel as a litmus test, they want to know that you are, you know, know, being honest with them. And if you are still saying that men can become women, if you are still not coming up with an answer, what is your policy for the border? They can never answer that question in a way that is satisfactory.

[Megyn Kelly]

Rahm Emanuel did. He said, I would leave President Trump's border policies in place. Not, not on deportation, but on the border. He said, I'd leave in place. And he actually was just in the news last week saying Israel has too much influence over American domestic policy.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Interesting. I know, Very interesting from Rahm Emanuel. And on top of that, the, the border situation, like Joe Biden, the last year of his presidency, he said, oh, you have to do this with legislation. This can't be done with EOs. Then he does it with EOS around in a day. June of 2024, right before.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's Biden.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that is the only reason he could get away with that, because they knew they had a tough election coming.

[Megyn Kelly]

Of course, we all knew.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right. And now they can't go back to it. And that's why his policy was such a disaster in the first place, because they were coasting on the abolish ICE vibes of Trump 1.0.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And then it felt like Biden had permission to just literally open the border.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know. To be more humane. Yeah.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Until he didn't. And that's about to happen again because nobody has a plan, I guess, except for Rahm Emanuel.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know. To be more humane. Tell it to Sheridan Gorman.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, exactly.

[Megyn Kelly]

It wasn't more humane. You just made sure a whole bunch of Americans got killed by illegals. It's disgusting what Joe Biden did. And Trump, yes, he did one fig leaf in June to try to make himself look a little better. And then Trump really did close up the border. Look, I, I would like there to be an era in which we have some sane Democrats who can make it into, like, the real contest and be seriously considered so that the risks are not that great, you know, so it's not like if Trump had lost, I really do feel like the country would have been. I don't want to say it would be lost. That's too dramatic. But. But it would be changed forever. It already was, thanks to Joe Biden. Like, we're never gonna get those 10 million plus illegals out. Look what happened. We just tried to get 1 million out by having, you know, this more aggressive immigration deportation policy come to major American cities. It caused absolute chaos. And that was actually the beginning of Trump's falling poll numbers. Cuz people didn't like to see it. The media, of course, misrepresented it and he had to back off. And now he's just doing worst first. But even that is gonna be a real challenge. We're not gonna have those 10 million. Those 10 million are here to Stay. And the Supreme Court is going to rule that their anchor babies give them the, you know, the babies the right to citizenship and that they can stay here. We can't have another Democrat in the White House until that whole thing is reversed somehow. We've, We've amended the 14th Amendment to make clear that birthright citizenship is not what they say it is is. We've built a wall, we've imposed E Verify so that these people self deport because they literally cannot get jobs. Every employer will figure out whether they are an illegal and tell them no or they face massive penalties. There's, there are ways. Trump's not unleashing those ways. I know a lot of hardcore Republicans who really want E Verify across the nation. He won't do it. He's, you know, from the hotel industry and he's like agriculture and these are a lot of his donors who use illegal. They, they say that they have to. That's bullshit. They don't have to anyway. These are, these are deal breakers and the Democrats will make those problems worse. Again, reminding young people this actually is a problem you need to focus on. Just because you had Trump in the office for four years doesn't mean it's been solved forever. Anyway, hopefully that's already being factored into those Harry Entrant numbers. Okay, quick break. We are back with more. Don't go away after this. You've been hearing me talk about Pure Talk a lot lately. Pure Talk is veteran led, so helping veterans is their North Star. You gotta love that. They have donated over half a million bucks to America's Warrior Partnership, a fantastic organization that's on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide. And PureTalk is creating American jobs with a US only workforce. Good for them. Yes, it would be a lot cheaper to send jobs overseas like other companies, but they are committed to delivering the best experience possible for their customers. And PureTalk's service, they give you the same towers, Same network, same 5G coverage as one of the big guys has all that, but at a fraction of the price. PureTalk supports veterans every single day and creates American jobs. If you want to give it a shot, dial £250 and say Megyn Kelly to switch to Pure talk. Okay, that's £2 250. £250 say Megyn Kelly and that will switch you over to PureTalk, America's wireless company. Pure Talk. Let's be honest here. America can still be a dangerous place and you cannot afford to wait for help when you need it. Sure, you could use a firearm, but in today's America, defending yourself with deadly force could have legal consequences. According to FBI data, 99.9% of all altercations do not require lethal force. And that's exactly why so many are turning to Burna. Berna is proudly American hand. Assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana, these less lethal self defense launchers are trusted by hundreds of government agencies, law enforcement departments and private security companies. Over 600,000 burner pistols have been sold, most to private citizens who refuse to be victims. Burner launchers fire rock hard kinetic rounds and also powerful tear gas and pepper projectiles capable of stopping a threat from up to 60ft away. No background checks, no waiting periods. Super easy to get and they can ship them straight to your door. Take responsibility, protect your future. Visit byrna.com right now or your local Sportsman's Warehouse. That's by r n a.com or your local sportsman's Warehouse. Visit now and be prepared to defend

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[Megyn Kelly]

Hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on SiriusXM. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halperin, link Lauren Maureen Callahan, Emily jasinsky, Jesse Kelly, RealClear Politics, and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly Channel, SiriusXM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. President Trump and his top national security advisors are brief the public about the dramatic rescue of a crew member behind enemy lines. We are monitoring it and we'll bring you the news as we get it. Emily Jashinsky is back with me. And if you're wondering why we cannot vote Democrat and why we should believe those Harry Enton numbers, I'm going to show you proof. SOT8 Megan Rapino. This committee is framing it as based in science, which it's not. And this will ultimately just prevent people from competing within the women's category that they feel like have an unfair advantage. It's just really hateful. It's like there's been so few athletes that are trans, are competing as trans and it's like so blatant on its face. It's just a total act like acquiescence

[Jennifer Siebel Newsom]

to the Trump administration and to really

[Megyn Kelly]

right wing conservative politics that really is just like bringing down so much hate against such a small percentage of people

[Jennifer Siebel Newsom]

who are just trying to live their life.

[Megyn Kelly]

So it's just horrible and I'm just sickened by it, really. She's very upset about the ioc, the Olympic Committee International, making it clear that biological men will no longer be permitted to compete in women's sports. And it's because it just only happens to such a small group of girls that they should just suck it up and suffer. They should lose their gold medals, they should take the beating in the face by a man in the boxing ring and quit all the whining like, like me, Megan Rapinoe, sitting with my millions and my endorsements, having made it to the top that you can hear the sound of the ladder being pulled up.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Emily that's infuriating because, because it's such a egregious moving of the goalposts like this. The line was, it's fine, it's not a real advantage. And now the line is, oh, it might be a real advantage, but you're still going to have to put up with it.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's just so few.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right. Don't worry about it. It's just a couple of people. But again, before it was, there's no medical, scientific, like we were listening to that for however many years. And I remember interviewing one of the Connecticut track girls, girls years ago, it was probably like 2020 and asking how is this affecting? Because there were two this year, there were two men who were competing in the women, boys who were competing in

[Megyn Kelly]

the women's who had done nothing to handle their testosterone or at all.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yeah, exactly. And I remember asking, is it just like one or two that'll upset the scholarship system? Right. And the answer I got was yes, because of course it does. Yeah, because he never won. Exactly. And so as soon as you start moving down the ranks in all of these different matches and statewide and whatever it. All it takes is a couple of boys competing in one state, a small state like Connecticut, that's really all it takes to screw it up for everybody, let alone. It's obviously ridiculous on its face, but it is so obnoxious that after for years saying it's not a problem, it's not a problem, foisting this on the public, then blaming conservatives for saying, oh, hey, we want to talk about this culture war issue.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is wrong.

[Emily Jashinsky]

After you forced us to deal with it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, like give us not the norm. You changed the norm. And we objected because this isn't normal. There's nothing nor. And she talks about it so cavalierly. I think about the girl, she's never been publicly identified in Lowell, Massachusetts, who was on the field hockey team and got whacked by a boy in the mouth so hard her teeth got knocked out. And it wasn't just that girl's horror in the pain and the dentistry she would have to go through. It was the horror of every girl on the field who was shocked and genuinely disturbed to see the bloody damage that had been done to their teammate by a boy who had no business playing field hook again.

[Tim Dillon]

Fuck.

[Megyn Kelly]

Megan Rapinoe. I, you know what? After Easter, I. I promised myself I was going to reign in the swearing. I did. I was feeling very godly, even though we didn't get the communion.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Oh, that's it.

[Megyn Kelly]

But yeah, maybe that's my problem. Dang. Anyway, shame on you, Megan Rapinoe. There we go. Shame on you.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Also, who can I like? I don't even. Even Megan Rapinoe is so much less of a threat now in 2020, whatever year it is, than she was in 2019.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know.

[Emily Jashinsky]

It's like, it's not you. You pushed this. It worked on the institutions for a couple of years and then everybody got wise to it. So you making this argument now, does it still bother me? Because it's wrong. It will still probably affect girls in blue states that have to put. Yes, absolutely. It still bothers me. And your story is a great one. The Lowell, Mass. One, because that's one boy. That's all it took was a swing from one boy. It doesn't. Her point is irrelevant. Yeah, that's just a few.

[Megyn Kelly]

Doesn't she care. I'd love to see her look that girl in the face and say, like, so what? It's happening so infrequently. It's not an issue. Good. Okay. Tell it to that girl. I mean, the amount of trauma, like emotional trauma, not to mention the physical and having to deal with that would be truly horrifying. She's not the only reason this woman happens to be married to the likely Democrat nominee. I think it's fair to say. Her name is Jennifer Newsom, sat 9.

[Jennifer Siebel Newsom]

I've given our boys dolls, even if they tear the head off. I've given them dolls to learn that care and caregiving is not just an activity that's reserved for women, but that it's also an activity that is a responsibility of men. What I've done with both my daughters and my sons is if I'm reading a book and the protagonist is a male, I just change the he to a she. And it just normalizes. For my sons in particular, it's not even. I don't even just do it for my girls. I do it for my sons because I want them to see that women can be the center of a story. That women matter.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my Lord.

[Jennifer Siebel Newsom]

That women are interesting. At the end of the day, we're

[Megyn Kelly]

all kind of like, everyone knows that

[Jennifer Siebel Newsom]

in this place in history maybe, where we're recognizing what it is to ultimately deconstruct all these gender roles and ultimately be human. And that's exciting to me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Emily Jashinsky]

That was great.

[Megyn Kelly]

She lives in California. She was in San Francisco. Is she having difficulty finding books in which female protagonists are present? Like, she should spent walk a mile in my shoes on the Upper west side of Manhattan. They're everywhere. That's all you can find. They got rid of all the books where the males are the protagonist.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Too many women. First of all, I'm sick of hearing about women.

[Megyn Kelly]

Women tired.

[Emily Jashinsky]

They all sound like that.

[Megyn Kelly]

And the. The notion that you have to teach boys how to treat women well by giving them dolls. Otherwise they won't be caretakers. What are you talking about? Boys learn about caretaking from a loving mother who is caretaking to them. You fool. It's not from giving them a doll again. A doll. A doll. Jennifer.

[Emily Jashinsky]

This stuff also has real consequences for boys. It's like. It's hilarious to hear it, but when it translates into policy. I mean, Christ wrote a whole book about this called War against Boys. Was my college internship was helping on the re release of that book. And you go through it over and over again. You're like, yes, recess completely has been like clipped up. You have less recess now. There are all kinds of like little policies on the state level that have made boys hate school. And some of it is straight because of that mentality which we've been going through for how many years now? Decades now. And it's. Boys are having worse outcomes. Why? Because you're feminizing their environment.

[Megyn Kelly]

And she's totally talking about boys as though they're still completely dominant. It's a complete patriarchy out there. You know, we're, we're getting, we have two kids in high school right now. Our boy is the oldest, our daughter is a year behind him. And you look at like the college admissions rates. You'd much rather be a girl.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Oh yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

You'd much rather be a girl right now. It's like she's the 1950s called and they'd like their culture back. Jennifer. Truly, like, I don't, I can't imagine what these boys are like. And meanwhile, Gavin Newsom is going to come out on the scene and try to pretend that he's like some badass, like tough guy. I guarantee you he's going to be doing some of the Tim Walls camo shit because they, he needs to. He's already got like leftist feminists who want like a hot whatever. So now he's going to have to telegraph a little bit, I'm a man's man. That's why he interviewed with Charlie. That's why he interviewed with Steve Bannon.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

He wants to do some reach out to Republicans. And like most Democrats, he's not going to understand them and he's going to think it requires him to wear camo. And he's got this hot mess of a liability on the other side of him. Much like a Tim Walsh couldn't make us believe that cuz he was gay, but also his wife.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Well, you know what? The, the camo, the Tim Waltz camo hat. You know what that was for? That was you tape your tampon under the brim. That's what that was. A lot of people never picked up on that, but that's what it was for. Is it? That's what I was just going to ask. Is it his son with Jennifer Siebel Newsome who was a Charlie Kirkless man?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Yes. So that's what playing with it, forcing the dolls on them will get you.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Exactly. Like, are they even listening to themselves?

[Megyn Kelly]

All of the studies show that if you put little boys and little girls into a toy store.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

The boys will naturally go over to the trucks. The girls will naturally go over to the dolls. It's not because they're little sexist pigs when they come into the world. There are certain things that are pre wired in us genetically. There's nothing wrong with that. Boys should live lean into their hunter gatherer or to their protector biology. And girls should lean into their caretaking. Biology doesn't mean you can't do either. But society will teach them that there are other options available to them. Society will teach them that it's not all killing prey or nurturing a baby. I mean, I grew up in the 1970s. Were things better for women in the 1970s than they are now? No know, somehow I figured it out. Jennifer. And so did you. She's like not that much younger than I am. I think she might be around my

[Emily Jashinsky]

age, but at least you weren't getting whacked in the face with field hockey sticks. Yeah, I mean, this is where that stuff starts. Because if you go back to the the 80s and the 90s, this is how a lot of the feminists were talking is that it was the pathologization. I don't even know if that's a word of masculinity. Treating healthy masculinity, not actual toxic masculinity as a pathology.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Emily Jashinsky]

And that's how you end up saying, well. Well, you just have to be feminized. You must be feminized.

[Megyn Kelly]

All the good men are feminized.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Exactly.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's like, that's why her husband crosses his legs the way he does. He's. It's happened to him.

[Emily Jashinsky]

He's just a beautiful, beautiful man. Just.

[Megyn Kelly]

He is good looking. I can't take that away from him.

[Emily Jashinsky]

He's too creepy for me.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's like too American Psycho, which he's leaning into.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Yes, he does have a Patrick Bateman look about him.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, I think unfortunately people to. We end where we began. People like attractive people. They do well. Attractive people tend to do well. They tend to do better in life than people who aren't as polished. So we're gonna need somebody over on Team Red who's like, got it together. That's why we should hope for JB Pritzker to win over over Gavin Newser or just stick with Kamala. Give it another role. We accept. Emily. A pleasure, my friend.

[Emily Jashinsky]

Thank you. Megan.

[Megyn Kelly]

So good to see you. You. She's going to keep it rolling. She's doing the after show in a minute and we'll continue to monitor that. Trump presser, among other. Thanks thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.

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