The Megyn Kelly Show

Episode 1192 – Nov 12, 2025
Title: Dems Try to Smear Trump with Epstein Emails, and Culture Shift Right, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Barry Morgenstein

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the political fallout from the recent release of Jeffrey Epstein emails, with Democrats attempting to implicate former President Trump. Megyn Kelly is joined by Batya Ungar-Sargon (NewsNation host) and later photographer Barry Morgenstein. The discussion explores the media framing around the Epstein documents, the credibility of key figures involved, the current shift in American cultural and political sentiment, GOP immigration policy, the culture war over women’s spaces, and ends with an interview about “Rock and Soul,” a new book of music photography.

Key Topics and Discussion Points

1. Epstein Email Document Dump: Weaponizing Scandals (03:02–31:48)

A. Dems Target Trump with Epstein Emails (03:02–11:00)

• Context: House Oversight Committee subpoenaed 33,000+ Epstein-related documents; Dems focus on three emails involving Trump.
• Key Email: From Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell (04/02/2011):
  “I want you to realize that that dog that hasn’t barked is Trump...”
  The victim’s name was redacted by Democrats, allegedly to suggest Trump had been accused.
• Redaction Controversy:
  • GOP claims the “victim” is Virginia Giuffre, who publicly denied Trump wrongdoing.
  • Batya (08:27):

    “They knew if they left her name in, this would be totally dismissed because she has been revealed to be a serial fabricator... to see the Democrats racing to take the word of an actual pedophile... just so they can smear Donald Trump, it’s just so gross.”

B. The Giuffre Credibility Issue (10:23–16:41)

• Megyn details Giuffre’s public statements and contradictory claims, especially her debunked Dershowitz allegations.
• Quote (12:46):

  “That is what was behind the Giuffre accusation that ruined Allen’s [Dershowitz] life. People still think he was an Epstein sex trafficker. It’s a lie.”

• Cites her posthumous memoir and co-author, both stating Trump was never implicated.

C. Dangers of Unfiltered Document Releases (16:41–20:00)

• Batya voices concern about innocent people being “destroyed” by public opinion, citing Dershowitz as a permanent victim of false allegations.
• Megyn’s stance:

  “If you’re going to do it, you’re going to have to release the victims’ names... these guys have the right to confront their accuser.” (18:26)

D. The Other Two Emails: Wolf's PR Advice & Ambiguous Allegations (20:00–28:06)

• 2nd Email (Michael Wolf–Epstein, Dec 2015):
  Wolf suggests letting Trump “hang himself” over questions about his ties to Epstein. Megyn:

  “My conclusion from this is Michael Wolf is gross... trying to get leverage.”

• 3rd Email (Epstein–Wolf, Jan 2019):
  Mentions Trump asking Epstein to resign from Mar-a-Lago, and a cryptic line:
  “Of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.”
  • Both Megyn and Batya see nothing incriminating; Megyn:

    “This is ambiguous... if I were a Democrat, I’d be blowing this up and asking... what it means.” (24:00)

  • Batya:

    “It suggests that Trump... knew that Jeffrey Epstein liked them young and didn’t approve of it. So I don’t see how this is incriminating at all.” (24:07)

E. Republicans Lose Interest, Dems Overreach (28:06–31:48)

• Discussion shifts to why the Republican base no longer obsesses over Epstein: the Dems “weaponized” the story.
• Megyn:

  “It changed from like a genuine search for truth... into just a political weapon.” (27:07)

• Batya:

  “There was obvious money grubbing… grown women talking about themselves like they were children... That’s really off-putting.” (28:14)

2. Culture War: Gender, Women’s Spaces, and Trans Activism (53:00–68:05)

A. Tish Hyman vs. Scott Wiener – The Locker Room Showdown (56:54–61:21)

• Tish Hyman, black lesbian kicked out of Gold’s Gym for confronting a trans-identifying male in the women’s locker room, confronts California progressive politician Scott Wiener at a campaign event.
• Stand-out moment:
  • Tish questions Wiener:
    “Are you going to protect women? Not trans women, women, women... I was assaulted by men.” (57:42)
  • Wiener responds:
    “We want everyone to be safe... trans women are women.”
• Tish insists:
  “We cannot be raped in bathrooms by men who want to say they're women. They're not women. They're not women.” (59:06)

B. The Intersectionality Shield and ‘Truth Bomb’ (61:21–65:21)

• Batya:

  “A large part of why she was able to do that is because she was a black lesbian who likes his housing proposals... If a white man had stood up and said the same thing, he would have been booed out of the room. There’s something about that that’s really un-American.” (61:21)

  • Both agree: National mood is rapidly shifting against trans activism in women’s spaces; Megyn credits the bravery of such women for shifting the debate.

C. The Realignment is Here (65:21–68:06)

• Cites the “80/20” dynamic: overwhelming public opposition to transwomen in women’s sports and spaces.
• Megyn notes Jennifer Sey’s brand and the symbolism of cold, hard biological truth:

  “What’s real is there is only XX and XY. There is no such thing as making an X, Y, and XX.” (65:21)

3. Immigration and Economic Populism: H1B Visas, Chinese Students, and Tech Bros (37:06–50:06)

A. Trump’s Laura Ingraham Interview: Out-of-step with MAGA? (37:06–41:12)

• Trump defends foreign student enrollment and H1B visas, arguing U.S. higher ed would fold otherwise—sparks criticism from Ingraham and panel.
• Batya:

  “Zero [foreign students]... Every one of those spots should go to a black kid or a kid from Appalachia. It’s such chutzpah to be giving the greatest privilege in American education to our enemies.” (39:14)

  • Sees Trump’s stance as transactional with Xi Jinping.

B. H1B Labor and Its Effects (41:12–48:42)

• Batya:

  “The H1B visa holders who come in here, they are not specialized. They have no talent... they are willing to work for $50,000 a year... It’s such a slap in the face to the American worker. Train them. Train everyone.” (42:43)

• Megyn:

  “If they actually have special skills we can’t get here, you’d imagine they would get the top of the pay scale, not the bottom.” (48:19)

C. The Broader Impact (48:42–50:06)

• Batya points to the high percentage of foreign-born residents (16%) as a driver of wage stagnation and inability for younger Americans to afford homes, food, and essentials—argues for a working-class-focused immigration policy.

4. Media, Information Ecosystems, and Narrative Control (72:18–77:57)

A. CNN’s Abby Phillip and Joy Reid: Echo Chambers (72:18–77:57)

• Abby Phillip claims her job is “debunking” conservative conspiracies for CNN viewers.
• Megyn:

  “Abby Phillip is a liar. What she did in that clip with Joy Reid is lie from start to finish to paint herself as something better than what she is.” (77:57)

• Batya (defensively but critically):

  “What we are is looking at the same clip and to the left, this is the worst thing they’ve ever heard, and to the right, finally somebody represented exactly how we feel... That is actually very healthy.” (75:40)

5. Political Process Debate: The Filibuster & Court Packing (80:46–86:28)

A. Should the Filibuster Go? Carville’s Warning (80:46–84:22)

• James Carville predicts Dems will pack the Supreme Court and make radical changes if GOP ends minority protections in the Senate.
• Batya:

  “Don’t get rid of the filibuster... It’s an extremely important check on the power. And also, it gives more gravitas to the Senate...” (81:55)

• Both agree: Eliminating the filibuster would eventually backfire on the right.

6. Featured Interview: Barry Morgenstein, “Rock and Soul” (91:08–103:38)

A. Backstage Tales & Rock Legends

• Megyn introduces Barry as her longtime headshot photographer ("no one does it better"); highlights the new coffee table book “Rock and Soul.”
• Barry recounts stories from photographing Paul McCartney ("pretty starstruck," 93:00), assisting Elton John on stage, and being invited to sit by Tina Turner in her limo (“come sit next to me, baby”—95:00).
• A lighter side: Tommy Lee offering Jack Daniel’s at 9AM; Ace Frehley (KISS) being difficult.

B. Cancel Culture & Personal Politics (100:13–103:38)

• Barry describes getting “canceled” in his photography business due to his conservative, pro-Trump beliefs:

  “I get canceled… when they find out that I’m a conservative, pro-Trump guy, MAGA, whatever you want to call it, hell yeah, I get canceled.” (100:13)

• Megyn urges listeners to support Barry’s work, both for its quality and as pushback against leftist bias in arts media.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Batya Ungar-Sargon (on Epstein-giuffre redaction):

  “If this is all they could find in there on Donald Trump and Epstein, Trump is in a really good place.” (08:27)

• Megyn Kelly (on media framing):

  “We know virtually everything about the man’s sex life, unfortunately. And we would know if he had a penchant for the super young girls at this point.” (29:19)

• Tish Hyman (at Wiener event):

  “We cannot be raped in the bathrooms by men that want to say they're women. They're not women.” (59:06)

• Batya Ungar-Sargon (on legal immigration):

  “People ask me a lot, what is the correct number of immigrants into America right now?... It’s somewhere close to zero.” (44:11)

• James Carville (on court packing):

  “They are going to recommend 13 [justices] and a Democratic Senate and House... That’s going to happen, people. That’s going to happen to you.” (80:46)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Email Discussion Kickoff: 03:02
• Giuffre Evidence and Redactions: 08:27, 10:23, 12:46
• Dangers of Document Dumps: 16:41
• Other Epstein Emails: 20:00
• Wolf’s PR Advice: 22:00
• Epstein–Trump Fallout: 24:07
• GOP–Dems Culture Shift on Epstein: 28:06
• Hyman–Wiener Exchange: 56:54–61:21
• Immigration/Visas Segment: 37:06–50:06
• Abby Phillip Media Critique: 72:18–77:57
• Filibuster & Court: Carville: 80:46
• Barry Morgenstein Interview: 91:08–103:38

Tone and Language

• Megyn Kelly: Direct, sarcastic, and unapologetically critical—especially of Democrats, mainstream media, and the “trans extremism” currently shaping U.S. culture.
• Batya Ungar-Sargon: Analytical, policy-oriented, sometimes ironic or skeptical, but aligned with Kelly in most critiques.
• Tish Hyman: Passionate, confrontational, and unequivocal on the women’s locker room controversy.

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