Disaffected Young Men, Michelle Obama's Hair Complaints, and Embracing the Right - Charlie Sheen, VDH, and Jack Posobiec at MK Live | Ep. 1199

Summary

The Megyn Kelly Show: Disaffected Young Men, Michelle Obama's Hair Complaints, and Embracing the Right — with Charlie Sheen, Victor Davis Hanson, and Jack Posobiec at MK Live (Ep. 1199)

Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Megyn Kelly – SiriusXM Channel 111
Guests: Jack Posobiec, Victor Davis Hanson (VDH), Charlie Sheen

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Episode Overview

This special live episode of The Megyn Kelly Show brings together a provocative panel—Jack Posobiec, Victor Davis Hanson, and Charlie Sheen—for wide-ranging discussion before a live audience in Bakersfield, California. The show explores the state of the American right, the legacy of the late Charlie Kirk, the crisis among disaffected young men, cultural battles from Michelle Obama’s comments to youth gender issues, and deeply personal reflections from Charlie Sheen on his tumultuous journey toward redemption and newfound political clarity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The State of the Right & Remembering Charlie Kirk

• Fracturing on the Right:
  • Megyn Kelly describes a sense of division within conservatism after the excitement of defeating the opposition and gaining power, leading to intraparty conflict (03:30).

    “It’s almost more fun to be running to get into power than to actually have the power, which will necessarily start dividing people... Always. You can take it to the bank.” — Megyn Kelly [03:30]

  • A moving tribute to Charlie Kirk, remembering his energy and influence on conservative youth, especially after his untimely murder.

    “We are not going to ever let them forget the name of Charlie Kirk.” — Jack Posobiec [31:32] “I know. Yes, he’s here. That’s right, he’s here.” — Megyn Kelly [04:45]

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2. Q&A with the Audience: Conservative Identity, Lawfare, and Youth Issues

• Lawfare and Trump:

  • Discussion of alleged targeted legal attacks against Trump, likened to new forms of 'Russia-gate' and battle over narrative control.

    "This is his new battle. And I do see this as sort of Russia 2.0, what's happening at the courts." — Megyn Kelly [11:50]

• Puberty Blockers and Youth Transition:

  • Megyn Kelly takes a strong stance against gender medicalization in minors.

    "It's literal child abuse. They're literally sterilizing minors without any possible informed consent. It's barbaric. It's the new lobotomy." — Megyn Kelly [15:13]

• Conservatives on Campus and Engaging Disaffected Young Men:

  • The panel explores how young, particularly white, men are alienated culturally, economically, and through social messaging.

    "These downwardly mobile young white males who are castigated by society...start to disconnect from reality." — Jack Posobiec [39:17]

  • The effect of COVID lockdowns on youth mental health and susceptibility to online radical subcultures (“furry” and “transhumanist” movements) is debated as a factor in rising violence.

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3. Charlie Kirk’s Murder, Media, and Partisan Division

• Culture of Leftist Violence?

  • The panel foregrounds the murder of Charlie Kirk, arguing that “bullets are only going in one direction in this country” and blaming what they see as a rising tide of leftist rhetoric and actions.

    "You did not see one person on the right come out and say, I'm going to go do something violent in retaliation for Charlie Kirk. It just didn't happen, because we are not those people." — Jack Posobiec [28:38]

• Critique of Sam Harris and Media Reaction:

  • Response to Sam Harris's claim that the real problem was right-wing rhetoric after Charlie Kirk’s death.

    "What he's doing here is a very clear example of victim blaming...Deny, attack, and then reverse victim and offender—the left uses this tactic over and over again." — Jack Posobiec [45:30]

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4. Victors and Divisiveness: Victor Davis Hanson and the Culture War

• Economic Messaging for Trump:

  • VDH argues that Trump needs to focus on positive economic messaging and touting his achievements, not becoming mired in the 'Epstein files' scandal.

    “What he needs to remember is what James Carville said: ‘It’s the economy, stupid.’” — Victor Davis Hanson [62:44]

  • Inflation, oil production, foreign investment, and deregulation are cited as Trump strengths to campaign on.

• Epstein Files and Democratic Hypocrisy:

  • VDH frames Epstein fallout as a potential trap for Democrats, suggesting future document releases may further expose left-aligned elites.

    "They...didn’t release them [the files]...now Trump has control, and every two weeks a name comes out...and he’s just going to let it keep going." — Victor Davis Hanson [68:17]

• On Michelle Obama’s Hair and Racial Division:

  • Both VDH and Megyn Kelly mock Michelle Obama’s complaints about hair standards as a symptom of a victimhood culture.

    “I understand that she’s insecure and she has four mansions...I wish I had Michelle’s hair, other than...this.” — Victor Davis Hanson [73:54] “How they found...a first lady in particular who is so racist. She hates white people.” — Megyn Kelly [78:44]

• Civil War Rhetoric & Blue State Nullification:

  • VDH cautions that left-wing local nullification of federal law (especially on immigration) and open calls for military disobedience are moving the country toward “Fort Sumter territory.”

    “Almost every aspect of what caused the Civil War—these very liberal, progressive people are emulating.” — Victor Davis Hanson [69:32]

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5. Charlie Sheen: Addiction, Redemption & Reconsidering Politics

• Openness About Past Addiction and Scandal:

  • Sheen discusses his drug years, notoriety for "the crossover tour," paying for prostitutes, escapades with Nicolas Cage, and how his experiences with blackmail led him to public honesty.

    "I wanted to be unextortable, you know?...I thought it would be a much bigger price to pay than what it’s revealed itself to be." — Charlie Sheen [94:30] “All this attention and all this love...and I haven’t even done my job—the thing I’m known for—yet.” — Charlie Sheen [124:44]

• Sobriety, Faith, and Family:

  • Eight years sober, Sheen credits a turn toward humility.

    "There’s no way you came through that on your own...I don’t run any part of this show.” — Charlie Sheen [114:34]

  • He discusses his relationship with his father, Martin Sheen, and reflections on faith.

    “There are just some days when...I spend more time looking up these days than I do looking down. Does that make sense?” — Charlie Sheen [113:23]

• A Political Awakening:

  • Sheen describes moving away from default liberalism, researching conservative voices, feeling manipulated by legacy/state-run media, and eventually embracing the political right—albeit admitting he once voted for Kamala Harris and now regrets it.

    “I was not going to go to bed every night feeling fucking hopeless...I’m going to change the channel, hear some different voices and do the research.” — Charlie Sheen [118:29] "It's a vote I'd like to have back, but that's all right." — Charlie Sheen [120:50]

• Risks and Hollywood:

  • Sheen acknowledges that becoming openly conservative endangers his professional prospects, but occupies a place of new conviction:

    "If that's the case [that I can't get roles as a Republican], I hope this beer is a giant success." — Charlie Sheen [121:35] “You see things much more clearly now...Welcome to the party!” — Megyn Kelly and Charlie Sheen [123:23]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jack Posobiec on Courage and Religion:

  “I want to be remembered for courage, for my faith. That would be the most important thing.” — Jack Posobiec [07:19]

• Jack Posobiec on Left-Right Violence:

  “Stop being the silent majority. You've got to speak out now.” [28:38]

• Victor Davis Hanson, on College and Reality:

  “He goes to the Oxford Debate Union and takes on supposedly the most sophisticated people in the English-speaking world...shows how uneducated a lot of people in college are.” [56:01]

• Charlie Sheen, on Redemption:

  “For so long, I was Martin Sheen's son...But I’m the guy that lived in it and survived it. And I still don’t completely know how.” [87:51 / 87:55]

• Sheen on Coming Out About His Past:

  “I wanted to be unextortable.” [94:30]

• Sheen’s Infamous Line:

  "I'm not paying them [prostitutes] to show up...I'm paying them to leave." [103:25] (Sheen jokes it’s a borrowed line, likely from Cary Grant.)

• On Personal Faith:

  “There are just some days when...I spend more time looking up these days than I do looking down...I don't have a better word than God.” — Sheen [113:23]

• Sheen on Political Awakening:

  “I wanted to feel better for my health, for my mental health, for my physical health, just for my ability to, you know, interact with my kids, you know, in a healthier capacity. Right. And so I was like, yeah, all right, fuck it. I'm gonna root for this. I'm gonna see how that feels, Right?” [120:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:00–03:30] — Opening, Live Audience, State of the Right
• [05:31–07:38] — Charlie Kirk Tribute, Calls for Conservative Unity
• [11:50–17:52] — Q&A: Lawfare, Puberty Blockers, Young Conservatives
• [28:38–36:02] — Jack Posobiec on Kirk’s Death, Rosary Beads, and the Spiritual War
• [36:41–43:43] — Posobiec on Disaffected Young Men, Furries, and Transhumanism
• [54:38–68:17] — VDH: The Academic World, Economic Messaging for Trump, Epstein Files
• [73:50–79:51] — Michelle Obama’s Hair and Race, Culture War Commentary
• [86:34–128:16] — Charlie Sheen: Addiction, Hollywood Stories, Personal Growth, Political Shift
  • [120:00–124:29] — Sheen's Experience Shifting Politically
• [127:16–127:40] — Sheen: Ready to Act Again, Sobriety and Redemption

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is a raw, energetic, and sometimes darkly humorous exploration of the battles within conservatism, the new challenges facing American youth, the legacy and murder of Charlie Kirk, and the personal transformation of a celebrity learning to embrace a new set of beliefs. The differences—intellectual, spiritual, and political—are laid bare, with each guest offering personal stakes and wisdom in his or her own style.

Final Note:
The live audience lends a communal, rallying energy, and the episode, true to Megyn Kelly’s brand, is unvarnished, unsparing, and deeply engaged with the most controversial topics on the right today.

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Listen if You’re Interested In:

• American conservative identity and internal rifts
• Cultural and gender debates around youth and education
• The politicization of tragedy and the role of the media
• Personal stories of addiction, recovery, and political change (Charlie Sheen)
• Insight from leading right-wing intellectuals and influencers

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Transcript

[Megyn Kelly]

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Love you guys so much. Thank you for standing out in the rain and the kind of cold for California weather to come and be with me. Sit down, sit down, please enjoy. We love you. Oh, my gosh. Let me tell you something. Everybody's been asking me, like, so how are you feeling on the tour? Like, how's it going? And I keep saying the same thing. I'm enjoying it so much more than I even thought I would. Seeing you guys, connecting with you here like this, it does feel like church to me, only better. You know, I love my priest, but we got to work on the homilies a little. It's just so uplifting. And you know what? Maybe you guys can feel it. Watching that video kind of reminds me it was so much more fun when we were running to be in power, wasn't it? Now that, like, Trump's a year into governing and the right is fracturing, it's kind of like, kind of, I don't feel so good. Right? Do you know what I mean? I love that Trump is president. I love what he's doing. But we're starting to get a little divided. The Republicans always turn on each other, right? Always. You can take it to the bank. Someone always does something stupid. And then we're like, why? Why does he just have our team jersey anyway? It happens every single time. It's almost more fun to be running to get into power than to actually have the power which will necessarily start dividing people. And I think a lot of us are feeling that right now. And there's sort of internal wars going on within the Republican Party on, you know, things like Israel and so on. It's just. It's like, a little stressful. But I think we need to remember it's a blessing to have this problem. Right. I mean, we could be looking at a Kamala Harris president right now and think of how depressed we'd be then. That would not be a fun four years in the opposition kind of thing. Like, Joe Biden was so absurd with his comatose presidency that you kind of laughed a little. I mean, it was like, laugh or cry with her. I think we'd just be in full tears all the time. So in any event, let's keep that in mind. Let's understand, like, I'm going to be asking Victor Davis Hansen about this tonight. Love, vdh. Mark Halperin was sounding the alarm on, like, if we don't get these numbers up for Trump, especially when it comes to his economy and the approval rating on that, it's going to be a bloodbath. So we have time. So we'll ask vdh, who's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, exactly how the President should do that. And the President does listen to vdh. We know this because he's made it very clear time and time again. So maybe we'll make a difference tonight in the fate of our country. In a minute, we're going to do some Q and A. But I just wanted to start with this, you guys. As I think you know, we have an amazing lineup. We have Jack Posobec, who I just adore. We have vdh. We have Charlie Sheen. What a gentleman. Honestly, he was so wonderful meeting a lot of you guys backstage. But as you know, we were supposed to be here tonight with a different Charlie. This was the stop that Charlie Kirk was supposed to join me on. I'm, like, getting emotional just thinking about it. It's only been two months since we lost him, and he wanted to come here. He. We. We would have taken Charlie anywhere, of course. And he said, I'd love to come to Bakersfield. He felt a connection with you guys. He specifically asked for this stop. We said, of course, you know, we'd love to have you. And as you know, we wound up booking Erica Kirk, who's going to come on Saturday because she needs to be by her babes. So we're going to Interview her in Glendale. But I can't help, like, every second since we landed in Bakersfield, thinking about Charlie. I know. Yes, he's here. That's right, he's here. And Jake Whitman, who's our great producer, he puts together these amazing, like, long montages for us. He did the. With love, Megan. He did the. He did our trips to space. He's a very talented producer, and he put together just a short tribute to Charlie. So let's watch.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is not just a flash in the pan movement. We're going to become an institution to give them the power and the confidence to stand up and let their voice be heard.

[Megyn Kelly]

You started this when you were 18.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. I had plans to go to college, and instead I took a gap year, and it's been a gap decade, and it's been the most amazing journey. We as Christians are called to go into the public arena to correct error with truth. If someone from the left comes up to the mic, let's treat them with respect. Let's not interrupt or scowl or boo them. Show the left the respect that we don't get on these college campuses.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're making a huge difference, not just in today's voters, but in the next up and coming ones. I do feel there's something divine going on. You were chosen for some reason.

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I, I, I'm humbled. I'm far more interested in what God wants of me than what I want from God.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

They just called it for Pennsylvania, Charlie.

[Jack Posobiec]

It is. Fox just called.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is worth playing. The moment that it was announced that Trump won.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jack Posobiec]

I'm getting emotional thinking about it.

[Charlie Sheen]

The media said the Turning Point could never run a ground game. They weren't experienced. They didn't know. Charlie.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Right.

[Jack Posobiec]

This is the greatest generational realignment since Woodstock. This generation is the most conservative generation that we have seen in well over 50 years. What young people especially are screaming at is they say, give me a structure that I can live my life by. What can I do to save the country? You answer that question every single day because you are doing the work to save this beautiful republic. You are doing something that is bigger than you.

[Charlie Sheen]

If everything completely goes away, how do you want to be remembered?

[Jack Posobiec]

I want to be. I want to be remembered for courage, for my faith. That would be the most important thing. Most important thing is my faith.

[Megyn Kelly]

God bless you, Charlie. God bless him. God bless him. And God bless all of you for being here tonight in honor of him and to carry forth what was clearly his mission, which was to say the things, to say them, no matter how many people object to them, and ideally, to say them to those very people. That's going to be all of our mission, because there's probably not a lot of people who can't stand the Megyn Kelly show here tonight. Right. This tour is not set up the way the Turning Point tours were, but we all know people who don't feel as we do about these important issues. And it's up to all of us to continue Charlie's legacy of spreading the good word and arguing our points respectfully and lovingly, but forcefully and unapologetically. Anyway, let's kick it off with some Q and A with you guys, and then I'll do some Q and A with our guests on this stage. I'm so happy to be with you. Get on up there. Sit in the front row of your life. It's fine. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it was my birthday. Happy birthday, Megan. Thank you. My name's Heather. I'm here with my husband Mike, tonight. Hi. Thank you to you and all of your guests that are regularly on your show for showing a what it's like to the difference between a mediocre American citizen and an exceptional American citizen. You are that by far. Thank you. I wanted to give you a hypothetical. J.D. vance might be our nominee in 2028. And I'm guessing that others are thinking what I'm thinking, But what if he calls you and he says, megyn Kelly, that's funny. I want you to be my running mate, Heather. You're funny. So I got enough problems in my life, I'll tell you. I always joke that I see myself more like the Queen of England in that, you know how, like, all these prime ministers, they came and they went and the queen was always still there. She had total job security. That's kind of how I see my role. They come and they go. You know, Barack Obama, he used to be kind of a big deal. Now I think I have more people coming on my tour than he could ever get on his. So I like where I am. Hi. Hi, Megan. Thanks for putting this together. My question relates to something Walter Kern, your friend Walter and Matt Taibi recently said, which is that Trump's first administration was essentially curtailed or the left tried to ruin it with this. Russia, Russia, Russia, with this idea that the President of the United States, Trump, was subject to a foreign power without any evidence. And their position is that this administration is facing the same thing with Israel, Israel, Israel, subject to a foreign power with really no evidence. And fill in the blank with the antisemitism. What do you have to say about that? Well, I mean, I, I see Trump's 2.0 being clouded by, you know, attempted lawfare for sure when he was running, and now by non stop lawfare challenging every single thing he does. And Epstein is just the latest example of it. You know, this like Epstein, I'm all for like getting the Epstein files out, but it's just taking over now. And it's like, just look what happened these past two weeks. Trump's right when he said it's completely smothered the narrative of how badly the Democrats did in the shutdown. They totally folded. And then what happened? Like the next day they switched the story to Epstein as a distraction. And every day Trump, he gets sued by yet another, you know, Democrat group or Democrat lawmaker to try to stop his agenda. And we have now all these judges at the district court level who are activists and trying to stop his agenda with their robes on. No one elected them to anything. So this is his new battle. And I do see this as sort of Russia 2.0, what's happening at the courts. And that's why I'm like on my knees every morning thanking God for this. U.S. supreme Court.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Hello.

[Charlie Sheen]

Hi, Megan.

[Megyn Kelly]

We love you so much, first of all, and you know, we really love you, Candace. Tucker, I feel like I can truly trust you guys. Thank you. And I just wanted to know your opinion on what Candace is saying about the Israeli planes following Erica around. I don't know what that is. I heard something about an Egyptian plane. I didn't hear about an Israeli plane. Yeah. But I only saw the headline. And while, you know, obviously I know that Candace makes a ton of news, I confess, I don't actually get time to watch her show because I've got my own show and I've got my, my life and my kids. So forgive me, I don't know the answer to that. But thank you for asking for the kind words.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Terry Maxwell from knzr. We did an interview a little while ago.

[Megyn Kelly]

Nice. Hi. Yes. Hi. Love your shirt.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I got a question about Arctic Frost. And we've had the six people who have come out and really instigated this direction with our military. Put your lawyers hat on. Give us an input as to whether you think anything's going to happen with those two issues.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, you saw these lawmakers, like, trying to tell the troops to disobey some random illegal order that hasn't been given. Right. It's like, I mean, the biggest thing I thought about that was it was an utter fail because I had no idea what they were telling them to disobey. Did you like, is it Venezuelan drug boats? Is it like really have no clue? So it was a fail. I don't know that it's going to go anyplace legally, but I think everybody should recognize that they're being governed by fools, Absolute fools. Drama hungry drama queen fools. Especially the horrible Alyssa Slotkin who should not be reelected by the Trump voters who put her in office. She's so proud of herself because she's a Michigan. She's like the same guys who put Trump in office, elected me as a U.S. senator. That was a fail. It's a rare MAGA fail. She needs to be voted out of office as soon as humanly possible, which unfortunately is not going to be for another few years because she's relatively new. But that's my quick thought on it. Go ahead, sir. Aye.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Hi, Megan, I'm Jim. Your best interviews are the ones where you're taking the left on head to head. And I'm thinking Jake Tapper. I'm thinking Bill Maher. We love that because you're speaking for us and we imagine ourselves finally getting to hit the other side right where it hits and you don't back down. Can you have more interviews like that on your show?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, sure.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

And if they don't go, if the A listers won't show up, I recommend go to the B list, go to the C list, go to a college student who wants to get famous. Just we want to see the ideas defeated and you know, one to do it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, I love that. Thank you. You know, I don't do enough of that. You're right. Whenever I have somebody on and we get into it, you know, like whatever. There was a clip of, I think it was Scott Gottlieb on there. Remember him? During the COVID lockdowns, he had been in the Trump administration and he was trying to run around tell us as a former Republican we could trust him. When he said masks had to be on our toddlers, like that was. That was a fun one. I don't miss him, but I do miss those exchanges. Hello, sir. Hi. Love the jacket.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Thank you.

[Jack Posobiec]

It loves you back. It's amazing what you can get at Walmart these days. One serious, one light. How do we stop puberty blockers in.

[Megyn Kelly]

Kids who are only 7 years old? We're winning. We're winning, right? I know I'm in the People's Republic of California, but in the other world, we're winning that fight. And I think eventually it's going to have to be handled by the US Supreme Court. It cannot be a state by state thing. It's literal child abuse. They're literally sterilizing minors without any possible informed consent. It's barbaric. It's the new lobotomy. And we will look back at this day with shame. California needs to get on its act because you cannot have these far left lunatics. You need Steve Hilton. That's what you need. And he will help save this state and the children in it. But in the meantime, this is not an issue that we can be silent on. Our children are literally being sterilized. If you cannot speak up for that, you are failing in your responsibility as an American citizen, as our first questioner said. So your second one, quickly, what's your favorite Elvis song? Oh, Hound Dog, which I think was one of his first. Thank you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Hi, Megan, I'm Connor.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm Chloe. Hi.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I've heard you speak about the Epstein files and there's a lot of young people talking about it.

[Megyn Kelly]

And I kind of wanted to see.

[Jack Posobiec]

How you or what you would say for the young people and trying to.

[Megyn Kelly]

Bring them in on Epstein files. Like to follow the coverage?

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, ma'. Am. Well, I mean, I think it's very interesting for young people and old, but especially for young people, because I think what's really interesting about the Epstein story for a lot of people is how does our system, those in power, work to protect one another irrespective of party? How does money and connections and fame and power all work together to get this web of protection across party lines? And who gets screwed over? Right? Because that same web that will work together to protect some very bad guys will work to screw you when it comes to property taxes and other taxes and the way government works. And, you know, insider trading in Congress. You know, there are certain things that are so corrupt and disgusting they cross party lines that leave young people feeling like they can't trust anybody, which is one of the reasons why Trump came under such pressure to just release the files and sort of did. I mean, I wouldn't put too much stock in what we're about to get from these files because there's like, enough exceptions to what Pam Bondi has to produce that you could drive a truck through. So just keep your expectations moderate.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then my last question was, what's like, one piece of advice that you can give to young conservatives like ourselves to keep bringing more people in.

[Megyn Kelly]

Don't be shy about your Values. Don't hide it. You especially need that out here in California. Do not hide it. Now, thinking that, you know, when you graduate high school, when you graduate college, when you get your first job and then leave that first job, and then you'll finally be able to tell people about your conservative principles. No, you're ceding the fight. That's exactly what Charlie knew that the rest of us had been missing. Don't cede the fight for young people in particular. Get in there. You can do it better than I can. They'll listen to you more than they'll listen to me. Become an effective messenger. Listen to people who are effective messengers and learn the arguments so well that you can rattle it off the top of your head with ease. You know, we always said, like in the law, if I had a longer time, I would have written a shorter brief. And the same thing applies to rhetorical skills, like study a lot, talk a lot, listen to people who argue well a lot, and then your arguing will get better and more succinct, and you'll be able to do it more effectively with the people who really matter. Thank you. Hi. Hi, Megan. Love you. Love you. Okay, how do we feel about Tucker having Nick Fuentes on his show? A lot of people want to know that. Did you hear what she said? How do we feel about Tucker having Nick Fuentes on his show? You know, I asked Tucker about it, and my own belief is the reason he did it. This is not from him, but my belief is that the reason he did it was because he wanted to convey to him that it is not conservative to apply collective judgment or punishment to any group of people. And Nick Fuentes does that not only with Jews, but he does it with blacks. He does it with women, he does it with Indians. I mean, like, there's a whole host of groups that he does it with. And my own belief is that Tucker thought, given Tucker, who's more of an elder statesman now in the party, that he had a shot at reaching Nick Fuentes. And my own belief is that that's also why Tucker did not emerge with Nick Fuentes jugular, that he thought that would defeat the point. Right. Like, if you're trying to reach somebody, how are you going to do that if you put them on the defensive right away? Like, here are all the terrible things you said. And so if you look at it from that standpoint, I think you understand it. Now, do I want to interview Nick? I don't. Not at all. Because if you watch Nick Fuentes, you will hear a Lot of really horrible things, and it's very jarring. Like, he's smart. I don't take that away from him. He's got a very compelling way of speaking and, like, delivery. And he's actually made a lot of predictions about what's going to happen in the country politically that are correct. And I don't dismiss the fact that he's very popular, especially with young, disaffected men who we need to be talking to and understanding as opposed to just judging. But if you spend enough time listening to him, you will hear things that will make your eyelids peel back from your. I mean, it's like, really jarring, upsetting characterizations of Jews and blacks and women and all the things. Not to mention his hatred for Charlie. So go ahead. But was Tucker a little easy on him? No, I don't think he was. I think he had a different goal than to, like, beat up on him. So if that were his goal, he'd know how to do it. We saw him do that with Ted Cruz. Yeah. Hi.

[Charlie Sheen]

Hi there. Thank you for being part of the revival and modeling how to share our voices.

[Megyn Kelly]

I really appreciate it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Two things.

[Megyn Kelly]

Three things.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sorry.

[Megyn Kelly]

First question is, when you were a child, what was your favorite? Maybe just pick one because the line is long. Second one is really big to me. I'm starting to see Islamic coming into.

[Charlie Sheen]

California, and I see these girls and women being covered.

[Megyn Kelly]

How do we legally fight their invasion?

[Charlie Sheen]

And then.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's a good question. Apologies. There's so many people standing behind you. That is a good question. I think the first thing is we have to be real honest about what we want in our country. And I just think it's fine to say, to be honest about the fact that I don't think Islamic leaders are appropriate for American cities. Islam is not consistent with the values of the West. It's just not. Above all, it's a political doctrine. It's not just a religion. It's a political doctrine. And there's no separation of church and state in Islam. They don't respect women's rights in Islam. They don't respect free speech in Islam. And while, you know, if that's your thing and you're. You happen to be a Muslim, okay, fine. But I just don't think this is the place for you to actually obtain a position of political power. And I think we need to be honest about that. Go ahead, ma'. Am. Hi, I'm Vicki. Hi. There seems to be a lot of concern in the country now about income inequality. I was wondering if you thought there should be any restraints on unfettered capitalism, and if so, what should they be? Thank you for that. I don't think there should be restraints on unfettered capitalism, really. I mean, I think capitalism is the way. And I'm really not pro the communist movement that's taking over places like New York. I don't believe with Zoram Mamdani that we shouldn't have billionaires. This is the United fucking States of America. You can come with nothing, and you can wind up a billionaire. Only here. Only here. It's one of the Majesties that is, you know, this country. That there is still. I know a lot of people don't feel it, but there is still the possibility of the American dream, and it's what gives people hope. It's why we have amazing inventors. It's why we invent everything. Like, I went over to Scandinavia a couple years ago. What did they invent? Like Ozempic. That was good. What else? Right. We do it all because of capitalism and the promise of changing your life. So I don't think I understand income inequality. And a whole lot needs to be done to help the bottom up. And I don't mean government handouts, but I mean, just the way we're educating people right now in general, for one thing. But the answer is not to hurt the people who have made it at the top. All right, we'll take one more, and then we got to get the show on the road. Hi, Megan. Hi. I am wondering if you've ever taken your kids to see Mount Rushmore in South Dakota. Oh, we have. Yes. Oh, yay. Yeah. We're so glad you came. Are you from South Dakota? I am.

[Charlie Sheen]

I drove here all the way from.

[Megyn Kelly]

Rapid City to see you. You did? Thank you. And my favorite cousin Tammy, I came to see her, too, here in Bakersfield. Nice. Tammy, thank you for helping get this wonderful lady to us. I'm excited to talk to you. We did go to Mount Rushmore, and we saw Crazy Horse, too, which we had never seen. Have you seen the Crazy Horse monument? It's way bigger than Mount Rushmore. So this Native American, it's like, it's a stunning display. And we do try to take our kids to places other than the Northeast. You know, we have a place in Montana. We go there many, many weeks a year. We have a little place in the New Jersey shore where we go in the summer. We're surrounded by firefighters and school teachers. What we really don't want is our kids to grow up spoiled Brats who think, you know, everybody's got a private jet, which, you know, in our town in Connecticut, some people do. And it's very, very important to us that they try to grow up as normal as possible. But I love this story. I've told this before, but we were out in Montana at a rodeo one time, and our little guy, who's 12 now, was probably 6. And we're sitting there, and at the beginning of the rodeo in Montana, you know, they're going to sing the national anthem. And Thatcher was a little slow to his feet, and I didn't have to say one word. There was a real cowboy with the hat and the shirt and the jeans. He was like, you better get up, boy. I mean, immediately I was like, I could do no better. This is my village, right? Anyway, so it is important. We loved Mount Rushmore. It's so worth your time. I love it so much. I'll tell you one thing, and then we'll go. We're having a big Fourth of July celebration this year, as we always do. You know, we bring out our colonial costumes, we reenact the Declaration of Independence. We go full bore. And Abby knows, my assistant knows. The one thing I've always wanted for this celebration but I've never been able to get is a huge papier mache of Mount Rushmore. I want to stuff it in the back of my lawn, you know, how cool would that be to walk around? And then she got back to me. She said, I finally found somebody who can do it. I'm like, great. This is the year. And she shot me an email yesterday saying it will cost $18,000. And I said, it's a no. We'll hire a guy to walk around in, like, a Lincoln costume. That's the closest we're gonna get. Okay, let's go. We wanna get on with the show. Thank you, guys. Thanks so much for those great questions. So my first guest and I actually have a very interesting back history. We used to hate each other. I thought he was crazy. He thought I was crazy. We sniped at each other on Twitter. We did not like each other. We had, like, surrogates who would snipe at each other about how terrible I was or how terrible he was. And so the love I have for Jack Posobec grew naturally, if somewhat slowly, over the years. And you won't be surprised at all to learn the person who ultimately brought us together was Charlie Kirk. So what happened was, as we got closer to the Trump era and I became sane again, after that ridiculous stint at NBC and I started to realize, like, how crazy the left was. I completely started to understand Trump much better and became a true Trump fan. We kind of started to appreciate each other's Twitter game. You know, I was liking a lot of his stuff. He started to like some of my stuff too. I thought, oh my God, we actually might, we might be able to connect. This guy and I, we actually might be able to be friends. And then it happened, as it does with so many that we met backstage at a Turning Point event and we hugged and Charlie was right there and I knew that a friendship had been born. And now he has my back all the time on X and I have his too. 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[Jack Posobiec]

We'Re not at a good time in this country. You need to take a stand and you need to pick a side. Now doing the normie thing of sitting around and thinking things are going to get better. They're not. They're not going to get better on their own. To the world, Charlie Kirk was conservative, firebrand, hero, cultural icon. But to me, he was my friend. For Charlie's sacrifice for all of us. We will overcome their evil. The bullets are only going in one direction in this country. You know what you didn't see? You didn't see violence. You didn't see a single person raise a fist in anger. You didn't see a single person on the right come out and say, I'm gonna go do something violent in retaliation for Charlie Kre. It just didn't happen because we are not those people. Stop being the silent majority. You've got to speak out now. And we will never, ever let them forget the name Charlie Kerr.

[Charlie Sheen]

I could tell the story, didn't you?

[Megyn Kelly]

I did. It's so fun here. You're right there.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

There you go.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it's a fun story because we overcame it.

[Jack Posobiec]

You know, we did overcome it, thanks to Charlie. She had to tell the story. She had to put me on blast, didn't she?

[Megyn Kelly]

But, I mean, maybe you have a relationship like that in your life where you feel like, oh, no, no, we don't like each other. There's no way forward. Maybe there is. Maybe you can find just a couple of lily pads, as I like to say, or you can jump on together, and then before you know it, you're swimming in the pond.

[Jack Posobiec]

But you know what? That's what Charlie did. And Charlie did that all throughout the movement. And we see so much even right now. There's a lot of dissension. There's a lot of infighting that's going on. And you realize that Charlie would always try to find a way to take people who may be on different sides of an issue or maybe just had some, you know, some bad interaction. And he would find a way to build that bridge, because Charlie understood that it was about all of us fighting together. And we are up against billionaires. We are up against psychopaths. And I'm not just talking about Gavin Newsom, but. But he understood. He understood that if we were ever going to succeed, we had to do so together. And I appreciate you having me here, Megan, because. And I don't know if everyone. I'm sure most people realize this. I'm not supposed to be sitting on the stage right now. Charlie Kirk is supposed to be sitting on this stage right now, and he's not here because of them.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Jack Posobiec]

And we are not going to ever rest, and we are not going to ever, ever stop. And we are not going to ever let them forget the name of Charlie Kirk.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right. Or Besmirchett. Right. The war to define his legacy. Is on, and they try to smear him every day on the left in the New York Times and MSNBC and beyond. And his friends, his true friends have all been out there fighting back against it. But I don't know, Jack, I. I've told others this. I think I've told you this. When you stood up at Charlie's funeral with the rosary beads in your hand like that, just. It was like a Malcolm X, almost like pose with the rosary beads. I felt better. And when I talked to you and Benny Johnson backstage that day of Charlie's memorial, you guys said something that actually made me feel comforted for the first time. And this may sound kind of weird, because everyone knows I'm not a shrinking violet and I'm not afraid of a fight, but I felt so much better because we were having a debate right then about whether we should reach out to the left. We needed to reach across the aisle and, like, extend the hand or whether it was a time to fight because they were literally murdering us now. And you guys said you were pissed. You guys were angry at the loss of Charlie, and you guys said, you know, no offense, but it's time to let the men handle things right now. And I loved it. I loved. Wasn't actually about men. It was about fighters. It was about. This is a time for fighting.

[Jack Posobiec]

Look, you come to situations and you hope that you can solve things with words, and Charlie tried to do that. You hope you can solve things with debate. And that's what our great country is all about. But when someone decides to stop using the ballot box, and then what do we see in this country? They went to the jury box with President Trump and the lawfare and hundreds of thousands, really, of patriots. And then when that still didn't work and they continued to lose power, they switched to the bullet box, and you had this guy climb up on a roof and take a shot and kill Charlie Kirk. And when I see something like that happen, I say, look. And CNN asked me about this, and they're probably not going to invite me back on anytime soon. That's okay.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're good.

[Jack Posobiec]

And, yeah, I'll be all right. I'm not going to lose sleep. And I said, look, I'm more than happy to unite with anyone who wants to have a conversation, but if you support that, like the thousands of people that we saw laughing about it and cheering about it, then I am not interested in uniting with you. I am only interested in defeating you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right. I have felt since that day, not accidentally, that there's, like, I Don't know. There's an evil in the air like, there. Do you guys. Have you felt it at all? Like there's something. There's sort of a pall that's been cast over us since then, as I. I think we're actively fighting demons that are. That are struggling for the souls of our fellow Americans and. And that are getting some of them. That's why you have that woman doing the right. Like, that woman. I. I really feel like a demon involved there. A teacher, right, who's got little children in her classroom all day. What. Talk about those rosary beads. Like, how do we protect ourselves? How do we fight?

[Jack Posobiec]

You mentioned the rosary beads, so I had to get them here tonight and bring them. And, Megan, because you said something so nice on your show the other day about them, I figured, why not bring an extra set that I could give to you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my God. Thank you. Oh, they're so beautiful. Thank you. Oh, they're so beautiful. They just feel empowering.

[Jack Posobiec]

This has. Right in the center there, that has St. Michael the Archangel right there.

[Megyn Kelly]

Defend us in battle.

[Jack Posobiec]

And for folks who know the St. Michael prayer, it's St. Michael the Archangel. Defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, that the power of God cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits who wander about the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen. And that's.

[Megyn Kelly]

Amen.

[Jack Posobiec]

That's it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thank you. This means so much to me.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Of course.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thank you. You joined Turning Point. What year was it? 2021.

[Jack Posobiec]

It was. Yeah. So I was doing events back to 2018 and then, but I didn't formally join until 2021. And that's when we started the show, Human Events Daily. And Charlie and Tyler came and said, hey, we want to do this idea. We want to expand into media and do news, and we want you to be that guy. And I said, I'd be honored to do it. I don't know if anyone's going to watch, but I'm happy to do it and let's keep going. And then Charlie had his show and I had my show, and it just grew and grew.

[Megyn Kelly]

So one of the things you've clearly figured out in your time with Turning Point, with Charlie out on the road with Turning Point, is maybe what's going on with young men in America. And you actually had a really interesting piece this week talking about that and also talking about the trans furry thing. That we keep seeing. Right. We saw it. We know that Charlie's accused assassin was dating a man who is both a trans and an alleged furry. You know, I mean, alleged, because that's not a thing. Neither is trans. And now we heard. Yes, and now we hear the same about the butler shooter, who himself was they. Them and into furry culture. And you're the first person I heard really talk about those two strains in a way that might actually explain why some of these men, these disaffected young white men, are falling prey to that insanity, which then leads to violence.

[Jack Posobiec]

Yeah. So. And this is, you know, like, you're close to these stories, and you try to analyze it objectively, and it's. And it's tough. But at the same time, you have to look at the facts and follow the facts where they lead. And we know on the face of it that this furry culture and more of this transgender culture comes up in both cases. And what's interesting is it's also, I think, an aspect of transhumanism. And transhumanism is, of course, this idea that we can transcend our human bodies. And Yuval Harari talks about this, and he goes over to the World Economic Forum a lot. And what it means is that they sell this idea that you can become something which you are not. And that's really what it comes down to. And it's a break with reality. And a break with reality, if you go to the classic textbook definition, psychologically, is psychosis. That is a. That is the definition of what a psychotic break with reality is, a rejection of reality. A man cannot become a woman. A woman cannot become a man. It's physically impossible. A human being cannot. Which is true.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

This is true.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I know to say that in California is a revolutionary act, I suppose. Gavin, I'm here, by the way. I promised I'd come by. And to. To attempt to turn yourself into an animal is also impossible. And so. And yet there's this kind of toxic situation where young men, particularly young white men, have been so completely dispossessed in our society, totally disenfranchised. You see this with Tyler Robinson, his trans boyfriend, Lance Twiggs. These downwardly mobile young white males who are castigated by society are told that everything that is wrong with society is their fault. They see program after program set up for every other race and ethnicity and gender other than them, and they start to disconnect from reality. They see the economic situation not being good for Gen Z and for young people, so they disconnect with Reality. And you look at, what do all of them have in common? Think about this. And I mentioned this in the piece for Human Events. Luigi Maggione, Thomas Matthew Crooks and Tyler Robinson. They were all in high school during COVID They were all in. So imagine you're in that situation now. You can't leave your home. You're locked in. You've got your cell phone, you've got that little piece of glass right in front of you. So if you can't go into the outside world, what do you do? You go into the virtual world, and you're then inundated. And Charlie spoke about this. You're inundated with pornography. And the pornography becomes more and more extreme. We know that Tyler Robinson was looking at pornography which involved furries and drawings, which involved very young stuff, young animals, human, animal creatures, like, almost like a form of child pornography. And at some point, you start to blend your vision of what's reality and what is false reality. And because of the cognitive dissonance of not being able to actually achieve that in reality, it expresses itself in violence.

[Megyn Kelly]

So how do we even begin to go about finding those guys and helping them?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, I think, you know, I think you have to put it in different buckets. This country used to have a problem with serial killers. We set up units at the FBI. We set up units at Quantico. There's. There's movies about this. You know, you can go watch them. And we understood and unpacked what it was that made the serial killer tick, and we went after them. We set up Behavioral Sciences to get them off the streets. So for the ones that are becoming incredibly and more increasingly violent, you have to get them off. Look, the New York Post had. Randa Devine had the story this week. Thomas Matthew Crooks was conducting Google searches in his true name, asking about how to kill Donald Trump, how to look up the distance from Butler, what type of shot was JFK, and how far Oswald and all this other stuff, it's all out there. And yet the FBI was more interested in going after parents who were at school boards that didn't want trans in the classroom, and Catholics who were praying the rosary a little bit too hard. That's what our FBI was doing. And if our FBI had actually been focused on this threat the way it was, then Donald Trump would not have been shot in Butler and Charlie Kirk would be sitting right here and not me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, that's absolutely right.

[Jack Posobiec]

And I would say. And just in addition to that, though, in addition to that, you also. So get the ones off the street that are too far gone, lock them up. Don't just medicate them. They actually need to be under intensive care. Rebuild the mental institutions. Of course. And yes. And you in California know that better than others.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Jack Posobiec]

And then you don't want people getting lost in our false reality. So that means we have to make actual reality better for young people, for Gen Z. You have to have a pathway to ownership, to equity, to being able to get on your feet in society today. And that means making the economy better. That means getting rid of the 30 million illegal aliens that are probably just here in California and, you know, across the entire country. Because how can we possibly expect people to go into a society that is so messed up?

[Megyn Kelly]

And I would add one other thing to that, which is wokeism must die. Of course, these young men cannot hear one more day of they have some original sin as a result of what happened in this country 200 years ago that they must bear. That will not get them into a good college program or get them into a good trade or get them a wife because they've been dubbed toxically masculine. All of that must stop, has to stop if we want to rescue an entire generation of young men. Thank God it started with President Trump getting reelected. I wanted to show you something that made the news today. This is Sam Harris. Do you guys know who that is? Sam Harris. Yeah. So you do.

[Jack Posobiec]

Sam's a big fan of mine. He loves me.

[Megyn Kelly]

So Sam Harris considers himself an intellectual type. He's an atheist. He's big into meditation. He's the son of the woman who created the Golden Girls. Yeah, so. And he's very good on certain things. Like if you ever look at the old clips of Sam Harris on Bill Maher talking about the problem of Islam, he will tell it like it is. However, he's got a serious case of tds and he's apparently also got some Charlie Kirk derangement syndrome that affected his commentary today on this sound bite. Take a listen to this.

[Charlie Sheen]

There's no party left of center, real party for political assassination. And yet right of center, very prominent people from the president and Elon on.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Down, treated it like the first shot.

[Charlie Sheen]

Fired in the Civil War. Totally irresponsible, totally dishonest.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I mean, these people were arsonists pretending to be firefighters.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, Elon jumped on.

[Jack Posobiec]

On X within minutes before, I think.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Before Kirk was declared dead, certainly before his. His killer was caught and said the.

[Charlie Sheen]

Left is the party of murder. It's beyond reckless. I mean, it's just sociopathic. It's just.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

He is. He is just flinging matches into a.

[Charlie Sheen]

Landscape that has been just soaked in gasoline.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

And the soaking has been done mostly.

[Charlie Sheen]

By Trump and Trumpism.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, discussing the actual murder of Charlie Kirk, you heard he was full of blame. For whom? Not the left. He excused them for Elon and Trump, who he said were arsonists, disguising themselves as firemen. Your thoughts on it?

[Jack Posobiec]

Well, what he's doing here is very clear example of victim blaming. And he's also. I love this, because who is the real victim in the murder of Charlie Kirk? Is it Charlie? No. Is it Erica? No. Is it the children? No, it's Sam Harris. Sam Harris thinks that he's the one who's the victim. The same way the leftists always play the victim card every single time, no matter what has happened. And what he's using here is a technique which is known as Darvo. And Darvo is something that narcissists and leftists. I know I repeat myself. Are you? All the time. It is. It's simple. It's called deny attack and then reverse victim and offender. So deny. Say that that didn't happen. You attack the. You attack back. So you counter punch and then you reverse victim and offender. Once you see this tactic, you will see the left use it over and over again. And that's always what Sam Harris does. Now, I could show you videos, by the way. We all could go, if you don't believe me, go look up my friend Libs of T TikTok and Hieroglychic and she'll show you the thousands of people who were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. Olivia Krolchuk was, I think, calling a lot of employers, and Rudy Giuliani was calling a lot of employers. And yet they will still sit there and look you square in the face and lie to you and say, none of that ever happened. None of those people exist. Well, ladies and gentlemen, 1.7 million million people in Virginia just voted for Jay Jones after he had text messages saying that all of our children should be made to die so that we will feel pain and that we then may change our stance on policy. We have a huge problem in this country, and the bullets are only flying one way.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right. And what did Elon say that wasn't true?

[Jack Posobiec]

What do you say?

[Megyn Kelly]

He blamed the left, and he was exactly right. Charlie's shooter, accused shooter, is of the left. And that's very clear. No matter what the left does say.

[Jack Posobiec]

The bullet casing said, hey, fascist, catch. And the other casing said, Bella Chow on it. And Bella Chow is the international anthem of Antifa.

[Megyn Kelly]

God bless you. Thank you for leading with faith, with love, but with toughness. That's exactly what we need.

[Jack Posobiec]

Thank you. And Megan, if you would. If you would indulge me, I'd. Today's actually. And I know you're going to see her on Saturday, but today's actually Erica Kirk's birthday, and I was wondering if you guys could all join me in saying Happy Birthday to Erica.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, I love that. All right. Sing it loud, because I'm not a good singer.

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Megyn Kelly]

That is beautiful. Thank you. Awesome, right? Sorry. But that's what we need, like, as. Like, I see Jack as, like the red meat of our party, you know, you need red meat. You know, I guess somebody has to be the broccoli, too. Somebody's got to be the martini. I'll do that. You need the red meat, too. And that, of course, leads me to Victor Davis Hansen. I know. He's so great. If you know somebody more brilliant than Victor Davis Hansen, then you know better people than I do. Because, honestly, like, there are a lot of great guests that we have on the MK show, but there is not a single guest who is smarter than vdh. You know, he's a professor at Stanford University. It's amazing they still have him. He's got tenure for life. That's the problem. He's the fellow at the Hoover Institution. He's a professor of the classics, which he had to explain to me the first time he came onto my show what the hell that is. I didn't even. I went to public school, as you know. And he's been educating us all ever since. He is beloved by Donald Trump and I think by all of us. Take a look at vdh. I've been talking a lot about Riverbend Ranch because I love their steaks. Riverbend Ranch has taken black Angus beef to a whole new level. For the last 35 years, Riverbend Ranch has been creating a very elite Angus herd by using ultrasound to select genetically superior cattle with a focus on flavor and tenderness. When you buy from Riverbend Ranch, you are not only supporting the 64 Cowboys and Cowgirls and their families who work on the ranch, but you are also supporting over 260 other US ranches and the hundreds of American families who work on them. It's born in the usa, raised in the usa, and processed here, too. It is aged to perfection for 21 days and shipped directly from the ranch to your home. This is not your average Black Angus beef, so order from Riverbendranch.com use the promo code Megan for 20 bucks off your first order and let me know what you think. Riverbendranch.com promo code Megan Vrbo last minute deals make chasing fresh mountain powder incredibly easy. With thousands of homes close to the slopes, you can easily get epic powder, freshies, first tracks and more. No need for months of planning. In fact, you can't even plan. Pow Pow is on its own schedule. Thankfully somewhere in the world it's always snowing. All you have to do is use the last minute filter on the app to book a last minute deal on a slope side private rental home. Book [e-mail] OnDeck is built to back.

[Jack Posobiec]

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[Megyn Kelly]

All right, let's go. Isn't it great to be together? It's so great to see you. You're not alone. It's only the liberal media and the haters who want you to think that we're in the majority right now. We're from Chicago. We flew in just for this. I was like, we have to go. And then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go. Don't miss your last chance to be part of the Megyn Kelly Live tour.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's a very important time in our country.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Meghan.

[Charlie Sheen]

Stand firmly.

[Jack Posobiec]

Do not waver on the truth.

[Megyn Kelly]

Next stops, Bakersfield, Anaheim and the grand finale in Glendale, Arizona, featuring special guest Erica Kirk. I really genuinely feel like it's more important right now than ever, you know, for all the reasons and it took courage for all of you to come.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

The biggest thing we can do is be unafraid.

[Megyn Kelly]

So go get your tickets right now before they sell out. MeganKelly.com, presented by Y Refi and Sirius XM.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm holding here my formerly nicotine stained finger, a column written today by Victor Davis Hansen.

[Megyn Kelly]

I want to just read you a quote by Victor Davis Hansen.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Victor Davis Hansen in the National Review.

[Megyn Kelly]

Victor Davis Hansen writes of the President today.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

A great gentleman.

[Charlie Sheen]

Victor Davis Hansen, you were one of the first intellectuals to support Donald Trump.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

He just spoke to the people. We had to fight back and not be worried what people said. Dr. Fauci, he's told us masks are essential. They're not essential. One mask is okay. No, two is better. I just lied because it was for your own good.

[Megyn Kelly]

I like to torture you. Bdh. Look at this.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

It's kind of like an athlete that never lifts weights or never runs, unburdened.

[Megyn Kelly]

By what has been.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

She just is intellectually lazy.

[Megyn Kelly]

Letitia James's grand niece. Here she is. Victor, are you familiar with the website? Only fans, my friend. Have you. Have you heard?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

No, I have not.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

During the Reagan years, that was a very liberating period.

[Charlie Sheen]

Make America great again.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

With all due respect to his memory and legacy, I don't think he did as much in eight years as Donald Trump has done it.

[Charlie Sheen]

We're gonna win so much. You may even get tired of winning.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

He's not done yet. He's indestructible.

[Megyn Kelly]

One the only, Victor Davis Hansen. Yes, the legend. Look at this. Look at that. Ah, they love you, Victor. Oh, you guys are so sweet. Look at that. Welcome. They love you.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I have a confession to make.

[Megyn Kelly]

Tell me.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I've always lived in Fresno County. I was born in the same house, but I've always preferred Bakersfield to Fresno.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, and there it is. Victor, let me pick up with you where I left off with Jack. What do you make of that? Sam Harris coming out and saying that the issue with respect to Charlie's death is that Elon sent out a tweet blaming the left and that Trump was too incendiary around it, and that these were arsonists pretending to be firemen.

[Charlie Sheen]

That.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's really the issue.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I didn't hear that last part.

[Megyn Kelly]

That they were arsonists pretending to be firemen. Trump and Elon after. After Charlie Kirk died. And really the issue was their rhetoric, their rhetoric around Charlie's murder, not the leftist rhetoric that got him killed.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah, I don't really pay attention to any of that. Not to sound sanctimonious, but Charlie Kirk, if I could just say something about him, he did two things that nobody else will ever do in my lifetime. And the first was he told left wing. He said to people all over campuses in America, 18 to 30, he said, you have a natural rebellious nature, and I want you to encourage that because the establishment is not the conservative establishment. The left is the establishment. So it's Natural to rebel. Not just because you're young, because you're logical. And these people are crazy. And that was very unique. The other thing is he didn't go to college and graduate, and yet he goes to the Oxford Debate Union and he takes on supposedly the most sophisticated people in the English speaking world. And he shows that you don't have to go to college to show how uneducated a lot of people in college are. And like, I've spent 50 years in academia with PhDs, and then I was given a great gift to live on a farm and that schizophrenia. I would come from the academic world and I was told how smart they were. And then I saw what farmers did and I knew how stupid they were. Because there's nobody smarter than a farmer. He's a mechanic, he's a genius. He does everything but not academics. And Charlie knew that.

[Megyn Kelly]

And yet you spent a lifetime in this crazy environment. So how did they never pull you leftward?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I have a twin brother that doesn't speak to me. So it pulled everybody in my generation and my family. I had a great gift. When I was 17, my parents were very practical and they said, there's a new campus. It's called UC Santa Cruz, and it's the closest one. All three of you guys can go there and you'll save money. So I went there and it was a communist crazy place. And so you either had two choices, to join them or to rebel against them. And I rebelled against them and I came home.

[Megyn Kelly]

But how did you withstand it?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Right?

[Megyn Kelly]

Because you look at, you know, these judges who go on the Supreme Court and they get sucked into the Georgetown party circuit, and then suddenly they need get to be loved by the leftist Washington Post. And certainly a professor, like, on a university campus like Stanford, a lesser man would have submitted to the leftist dogma long ago. So I don't get it. Like, how did you do it?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I was a great. I wish I could take credit, but I can't. Because the first thing I did when I got to the Hoover institution, I taught 21 great years at Cal State Fresno. I loved it there, but I was burned out. So I got to Hoover and this strange guy called me up and he said, I like what you write. We're going to have lunch twice a month for the next 15 years. It was Tom Soul, Thomas Soul. And I never met a more brilliant guy. And so. And then the next guy I met was Shelby Steele.

[Jack Posobiec]

Wow.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

And the third guy I met was Scott Atlas.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my God.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

And I said, these people are so Much brighter than the entire Stanford faculty. So I never had a doubt. And then when people said, well, this person says you're crazy, or this person says you're off farmer Hick, or this person says you belong back at Fresno State, I would say, Tom Scott, what's the reality? So I had a group of people who I admired, and they were brilliant. So I was very lucky. Very, very lucky. I had wonderful parents. My parents, my grandfather lived on a farm for five, four generations, and he had three daughters. And he mortgaged this little farm and sent them to Stanford University. And so my mom, 1942, had two degrees from Stanford, then she went to law school there. And then she went back and became a mom with three kids and worked on the farm. And then she became the.

[Megyn Kelly]

And you still have the farm, the raisin farm.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah. So she was. I got a good. The good thing about that was because they had gone to college, the first in generation, they kept saying, don't be warped by college. Do not you have to work. I came home the first semester, I said, hey, I know. Hey, I'm going to take Latin. And my father said, do you know how to weld? You know how to wire the dehydrator? And when I graduated, maybe a little more practical. Yeah, I graduated with a PhD at 25. And I came home and I said, I didn't even go to the graduation. I had to work at a farm. And my dad said my brother was kind of a smart, very bright guy. Very smart, but kind of smart alecky. So I came back and said, I have a PhD in Classics from Stanford. And he said to my dad, he's like a dog that can dance on two legs. It's really impressive, but nobody knows what it's for.

[Megyn Kelly]

All right, let's talk a little politics, because I promised the audience earlier I was going to ask you this question. I heard my pal Mark Halperin on Next up with Mark Halpern on the MK Media podcast network talking this morning about the latest Fox News poll that shows only 50 15, 1 5% of the American population says that their financial situation has improved as a result of Trump. And he said if the numbers stay like this on Trump's economic approval, it's going to be a bloodbath in November that not only could Republicans, they will lose the House, but they could lose the Senate, too. So your thoughts on how Trump turns that around?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Well, no president has ever been as wonderful as Trump has done overseas. No president has ever been reelected. On foreign policy, George H.W. bush had that fantastic first Gulf War, 1991, four days, he destroys Saddam's land army, he's pulling at 90% and he loses to Bill Clinton because Clinton says we're and we weren't. We were in a mild recession in 92, but he said it's the Great Depression and for all of that. So if you actually look at the statistics, over four years, Joe Biden averaged 5.2% inflation every year. This Trump came in, it was 3.0. This month it was 3.0. They think the economy may grow at 4% GDP, he came in at 2. He's got a very good inflation rate comparatively. But what the left is saying is we were in Power for four years and we raised prices by 21.5%. And you've been in office 10 months and you haven't reduced them. It's your fault. And he can't get that message out. So what he needs to remember what James Carville, the economy stood stupid. The Epstein files. All that matters is to try to remind everybody what he's done, what he did in the first term, but more importantly what he's doing next year. What he's doing right now has long term implication. I'll just very quickly. He's already pumping 1 million barrels of oil. We've never pumped more than 14 million. He's going to go to 16. He's never done more natural gas. We are the largest natural gas and oil producer in the world. Second, I don't know if he's art of the deal exaggerating when he says he has $20 trillion in foreign investment. Let's say it's half 10. Last year, Biden, he had 79 billion. So we've never had that before. We've never had that.

[Megyn Kelly]

You guys know this. Trump is using the tariffs to negotiate deals in which these countries, he jacks up the tariffs, then he says I'll lower them by half, but you have to invest a bunch of money in American manufacturing, create jobs here. So he's gotten somewhere between 10 and 20 trillion dollars of investment in America, whereas Joe Biden never even got 1 trillion.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

So what I'm getting at is and then he's going to have this continuation of the big beautiful tax cut and the deregulation. You deregulate the economy, you give tax cuts, you've got all of this, not just the oil revenue and the export. And he's dealing with the tariff income, as you said. And gas energy prices are already going out. They were 348 a gallon during the four years of Biden, they're already at 298. Not here, but nationwide. So what I'm getting at is if he can survive and get that message out, and you're going to have a lot of psychological lift with the world and the 250th anniversary, it's going to be a nice year. And I think these things will kick in in June or July and he'll be fine if they stick to the message. And that is, the economy was terrible when we came in. We made it better and now it's getting good and get the message out.

[Megyn Kelly]

I feel like the message is not Epstein related. But we're in that morass now. So how does that play out? Because the Democrats, they're loving swimming in that pool. They're loving it a little bit less now that Larry Summers has been outed as the chief friend of Jeffrey Epstein. You guys saw this. Former president of Harvard, former Treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, also worked for Barack Obama. And the first real name to come out, not as somebody who was like receiving trafficked girls, but who was BFFs with Jeffrey Epstein long past the time when we knew what a disgusting scumbag he was. The Miami Herald piece broke in November of 2018, and he's sending Jeffrey Epstein messages like a small schoolgirl asking for his hair to be braided two months later, all the way up to the day before Jeffrey got arrested. Now he's stepped down from all of his duties at Harvard. He's not teaching his classes anymore. So we'll see whether the left continues to love the Epstein story as much as they currently do. But how do you see that playing out over the next year or so?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I don't know if people were accurate when they said Trump was playing five dimensional chess or whatever they claimed, but he did have a big noose and they put their neck in it. What I'm in is he communicated with Jeffrey Epstein before he was a convicted sexual assaulter and then he broke it off before he was convicted. These people and 80% of the textual trove has references in a case of political affiliation with Democrats. But most of them, if you looked at what the news says, most of them are after he was convicted. So basically they said and convicted like.

[Megyn Kelly]

He pleaded guilty to solicitation of sex with a minor prostitute, which, as you always know, what do I say? That is not a thing. A minor cannot be a prostitute. That's child rape. So he pleaded guilty to that in 2008. They all knew it. Katie Couric, she knew it now she's trying to say, oh, I didn't know. When I went to his townhouse for dinner that time, George Stephanopoulos knew, they all knew. They just decided to overlook it because.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

He was rich as f. Yeah, I don't get it. They have control over the files, so called files for four years under Biden. And they know, because they have access to them, that most of the people who are mentioned are Democrats and they know that most of the people who are Democrats are mentioned are mentioned after they knew that he was a convicted felon. And so they didn't release them. And yet when Trump comes in, they said, because you don't release them, you must be implicated. When they know after they raided his homes, they deballoted him, they had lawfare, they would do anything to destroy him. So they would have leaked something if there was anything to be leaked. So then what were they thinking? So now Trump has control over them and all he has to do is say, I really didn't want to release them. And I probably didn't because there's probably some, a few, you know, Republican grandee donors. So he probably was worried. He was getting calls. Please don't do that. It's not, there's not enough context. But that being said, you know what's going to happen every two weeks or something, a name is going to come out and it's going to be a Democrat and it's going to be a Larry Summers or a chief counsel person or somebody and he's just going to let it keep going. Yes, and I don't know why they walked into this minefield.

[Megyn Kelly]

Think about that. What if this whole story gets turned so that every other week we find out a new Democrat who is in the Epstein files and we've already heard everything there is to hear about Trump. I mean, think of that. If that's actually how this story lands, these Democrats and the media will run from this story so fast it'll blow that hat right off your head.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yes, they will. But the only rational explanation is they are so obsessed. I've never, we've all tried to figure out why they hate him so much.

[Megyn Kelly]

Much.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Maybe it's his queen's accent, maybe it's his orange color, maybe it's combover, I don't know. But maybe he had no political experience. But they are so obsessed with him that they do the, I mean, Jasmine Crockett talking about Lee Zeldin and this other Dr. Epstein.

[Megyn Kelly]

It was amazing.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

And it's every day. And so their only strategy now is to make these videos with the S word, the F word, the scream and yell kickbox, say Trump is this and that. And they want us as the American people collectively to get in a fetal position, put our hands over there, and just make it go away. I don't care. That's not going to work.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's not happening.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

But that's their strategy. A total chaos. And then the other thing very quickly is we had a civil war, and the Civil war was fought over the nullification of federal law and disloyalty. The union. All of a sudden, we find out that, you know, the mayor of Chicago says if ICE comes on our territory, we're going to resist them. What does that mean? They're going to pull out guns and they're going to shoot each other, north and south. Nancy Pelosi says we're going to arrest. She's never read the Constitution that says federal law is supreme to local and state law in matters of federal jurisdiction. And then we have these 600 jurisdictions that are nullification. They're like South Carolina in 1850. We're not going to obey federal law. And you can see where this is going. So then now they're issuing a video where they're telling 1.3 million people in the military, if you get an order and you decide, because you're all legal scholars, and you decide that if you don't want to obey it, just don't obey it. So they're basically calling for an insurrection. And then they have all these ex generals and admirals who in the past have said Donald Trump was a fascist Mussolini. So almost. What's eerie is almost every aspect of what caused the Civil War. These very liberal, progressive people are emulating as if they're Jeff Davis or, I don't know, Stonewall Jackson.

[Megyn Kelly]

So how does that end?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yes, they're headed toward a situation. If they don't stop that, they're going to have a local. And we almost had it in Chicago when they wouldn't come to the help of ICE that was trapped. But Karen Bass says we're using LA officials to try to thwart ICE and help illegal aliens who are in the street waving the flag of the country. Under no circumstances they want to return to true in burning the flag of the country they want to stay in.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's so true. So, so well said.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

I don't. I don't get it. But I'm afraid that if somebody doesn't stop it, you're going to get a situation where a local police force, on the orders of a blue state mayor is going to say, stop them, and we're going to get a gunfight. And then we're at fort sumter territory. And so it's scary. And they've got us. They're really calling for insurrection.

[Megyn Kelly]

And meanwhile, the American people continue to support the deportation of all illegal immigrants in the country right now. All of them, not just the ones who have committed additional crimes.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Absolutely. So.

[Megyn Kelly]

All right. So now we need to take a moment to talk about Michelle Obama's hair. I've been told by her many times this is very important. What are you laughing at? Racists. We're all racists. Because she has to iron her hair. She talks about it on every tour stop. She's promoting her book. Hold on. I want to see which one it is. Okay. There's so many to choose from, but here's the Latest. This is sought4. Let's take a look. A lot of people want to know, what do braids mean? What does she mean? Look, y'. All. Where does she mean? You know, I mean, that's how white folks are. It's like, what does that mean? What are you saying? We're saying nothing. Let me explain something to white people. Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a curly pattern. So when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. It is exhausting. And it's so expensive, and it takes up so much time. Braids are for y', all, so we can work harder and focus on the works. Don't touch it. Just don't. She's sitting there with the straight hair telling the people not to do it. And can I just say for the record, it is not just black people who have to deal with their hair a lot in the morning. All right, now, people, I have something to tell you. This is not all mine. I mention it a lot on the show, but if you could see the number of little hell things in there that Sarah's got to deal with every day to try to cover them up. So you guys think this looks natural? It is not just a black thing. Michelle. Sorry, Victor, go ahead.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Well, when I get up in the morning.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thank you.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

When I get up in the morning, I wish I had hair. I wish I had Michelle's hair other than. Than this. But my point is this. I understand that she's insecure and she has four mansions. So when she's talking, I can't figure out whether she flew in from Martha's vineyard, the Washington mansion, the Chicago mansion, or the Beachfront mansion in Hawaii. And then she says this. And I was listening to the radio when she. This was on the story the other day. So I, I walk to my office. The first person I see is a beautiful Asian woman with straight hair. The next person I see is a beautiful Mexican American woman with straight hair. The third person I meet is a guy that I knew who has very kinky white. He's white and he has curly hair. And I thought, well, white people, I don't have a monopoly on straight hair. So why are you saying this unless you have some problem? And the problem, I think, is my entire life, whether it was getting into Princeton or Harvard or getting the Nikki account or something at my law firm, or getting this huge job at the University of Chicago, it was always predicated on I could make white people feel guilty and that I was a victim, even though I grew up as middle class and I was given every opportunity, opportunity. And so when you look at this scenario and you think of, just to take an example, Selma, California, East Palestine, Ohio, where you have very poor people who happen to be white. And so what I'm getting at is when we obsess on race and not class, which the Democratic Party does, it's absurd. It's like Mondame saying, I'm going to go after white, affluent neighborhoods. And then you say, well, let me do a Google search for 2 seconds and see which is the most affluent ethnic minority in the United States. Indian Americans.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

40% more income than the average white family. So the whole racial thing has sort of jumped the shark now. It's just ridiculous.

[Megyn Kelly]

Wait, forgive me, but I do have one more. This one's not about the hair, but this falls into the Stephen L. Miller the Red Stees on Twitter category of I regret to inform you we've disappointed the Obamas again. Here she is. We've got to play it on how confining the damn role of first lady was. Let's watch. That eight year stint as first lady tends to confine, to be a bit confining, right? Because you know that the role, the job was not to just represent me, but to represent the nation. And as the first black family in that house, just like, you know, black folks feel in all the first positions that we're the, you know, we're carrying the torch, we're lighting the way, which means that we've got to do it really, really well so that the next folks will have a chance. You know, when you're, when you're the only, you know, you feel like if you don't get it right, nobody will ever get this position. Women, people of color, people of different ethnicities, of different genders and sexual orientation, we all feel that. So poor Michelle. It was especially confining for her to be first lady because she's black.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

And, and I'm sure every other first lady before and after Michelle Obama felt totally free with the role and like lifted the dress up and said, hey, take a look at me. I didn't feel confined at all being first lady of the United States, just the black one.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Michelle, people were so discriminatory against her. They put her on Vogue magazine about four times. And I, no offense to Michael, Michelle has nothing to do with race, but Melania Trump is beautiful. She didn't. They wouldn't put her on one time. It would be like her saying, well, you know, they hate Eastern Europeans, so I never got on Vogue. It's crazy. And then in 2004, the so called white vote for John Kerry was less than the white vote for Barack Obama four years later. In other words, Barack Obama won and he beat John McCain. Not because of the black vote. It was a sure thing. 96% is because a huge number of white people decided to vote for him, a black man, more than they did the prior white Democratic candidate.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not with Stanley. Michelle.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

It doesn't happen in a racist society.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's amazing.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

It doesn't.

[Megyn Kelly]

How they found. Honestly though, have you ever seen like a first lady in particular who is so racist? She hates white people. Her image of white people is the most negative, judgmental, nasty thing I've ever heard. She thinks all we do is look at black people with negative judgments about their hair and their dress and the way they behave. Meanwhile, it's really a case by case situation with blacks and whites, and she's failing it.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah. I think the problem is that her audience is the same group of white people I see every week at Stanford. But it's not the people at Bakersfield.

[Megyn Kelly]

Amen.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Because believe me, if she, if people try that stuff to working class people, whether they're Mexican American or white or even black, they don't listen to it. They said, you're spoiled, Brad. I don't want to hear it. I got to get up at 5. I've got to go to work. I don't get home. I don't have anything. You have four manschke. You're worth a hundred million dollars. You're spoiled, Brad. I don't want to hear it. But not those people.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

They hang on Every word she says because they're just like her.

[Megyn Kelly]

We're going to do Michelle Obama a favor, and we're going to send that clip to her to make sure she gets a hefty dose of reality before she goes on her next tour stop.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Have you ever met Michelle?

[Megyn Kelly]

I met her one time at the White House at the White House Christmas party.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

She was perfectly pleasant. She was probably like, why are you looking at my hair like that?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Victor, love you. Thank you so much for all of your pearls of wisdom. It's a pleasure. Vdh. He's a treasure. All right, Sarah, how's my hair? Good. Fine. She's dying to come up here and fix it, I guarantee you. It's wonderful to have somebody who's paid actually just to do your hair. It's wonderful. It's like a true gift. I do my own makeup, but Sarah does my hair. I never learned over all the years how to do my hair. You know, you never, like, watch it. And also, if you do wash it, ladies, you know how, like, the brush, the round brush. My God, it's so much work. But the makeup. I learned to slap on the face paint by five, following some twit online. Okay, my next guest is somebody I did not meet up until a couple months ago. But like you, I was a lifelong fan, and I've seen, I think, most of Charlie Sheen's movies, but I have never seen somebody so skilled and so compelling as when I was young and saw Charlie Sheen on screen in Wall Street. He played the simmering, angry, ambitious, tortured soul on Wall street better than anybody I've seen live it in real life. And I lived in Manhattan for 20 years. And the fact that his dad was involved in the movie, too, and that scene in the elevator with the two of them with the tensions burning, saying all the things what I would later find out have some parallels to his real life. He told me when we met via satellite for the release of his book and his documentary that he had fallen to fame so quickly and early on got the same lesson taught to him over and over again, which was you can get away with anything with that face and that talent and that personality, will overlook anything. And that would wind up being somewhat of a curse for Charlie Sheen as well as a blessing. He's really profoundly interesting, and he's come a long way through the tiger blood by winning years to really settle in a place of wisdom and reflection. And I think you'll soon hear Republicanism. Check it out. Do doctors have Black Friday sales? Do they It's a good question the doctors at Brick House Nutrition do. They just announced their Black Friday 30 off sale. That's their biggest of the year. The most impressive health and nutrition products in the industry are now 30 off like lean the doctor formulated weight loss supplement for people who want to lose meaningful weight without injections. And 30% off creatone creatine, designed just for women to help you look leaner in shape and toned without extra dieting or exercise. Even 30% off field of greens, a super fruit and vegetable drink they say was shown in a university study to actually slow aging. Yes, every Brick House product, from better sleep to superior collagen, is 30% off. But hurry, because these Black Friday deals go fast. Visit BrickHouseSale.com and save 30%. That's BrickHouseSale.com one more time. BrickHouseSale.com as President Trump is settling into his new administration, one of the top Democrats in Congress aiming to undermine the Trump agenda is Senator Dick Durbin. And according to our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, Senator Durbin has a new scheme, a government takeover of your credit card. Today, Americans have thousands of choices in credit cards, but they say Senator Durbin's plan will result in less competition and less security. And that means more risk for your credit and identity. Learn [e-mail] and consider telling your senators to stop Dick Durbin's government takeover of your credit card before it's too late.

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[Charlie Sheen]

I am on a drug. It's called Charlie Sheen.

[Megyn Kelly]

Charlie Sheen's life has been a wild ride.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was really, really hard to control. I'm by winning. I went here and I went there now. One I had found some different level of.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know what a Hollywood legend.

[Charlie Sheen]

For so long, I was Martin Sheen's son and, you know, Emilio Esteban's brother. What do you care if your brother ditches school? This cameo just. Just falls out of the sky into. Into my lap. I think I've made a big mistake coming here.

[Megyn Kelly]

Films like Platoon, Wall street and the Rookie. You want to do over?

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I don't want to do over.

[Megyn Kelly]

The highest paid actor in television history as a star on the beloved sitcom Two and a Half Men. But all of that success came with challenges, addiction.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, I got tired of blood, man.

[Megyn Kelly]

You don't worry that you're going to die when you take that many drugs?

[Charlie Sheen]

Dying, drugs are undefeated. It's like 20, 20 million to zero. He started experimenting with everything to get through that, you know, several times. If this is prison, the only thing that's missing is the bars and the guards.

[Megyn Kelly]

Now Charlie Sheen is eight years sober and back to tell his story his own. Way to go. You've already proven you can do all this shit to your body and still stay standing.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm the guy that lit, lived in it and survived it. And I. And I still don't completely know how.

[Megyn Kelly]

Please help me welcome Charlie Sheen.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

The one and only.

[Charlie Sheen]

Is this on?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, it's on. You're good.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's so great to have you. How does it feel to be back out here in front of the masses and feel all the love. It's got to be better than crack cocaine.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

It's.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's a different kind of better than crack cocaine. No, it. It feels. It feels fucking awesome and. Wow. Thank you. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

We were talking backstage. We're both. We're both getting older. I just had a birthday. You got a few years on me. Turned 60.

[Charlie Sheen]

I turned 60.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. At 60, where are you happy? Well, struggling. Working on it. Where?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, that just described an entire week.

[Megyn Kelly]

Pretty much Monday.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, I think I'm happy most of the time. You know, I think I'm not looking for, like, you know, insane events or circumstance to generate happiness. I think I'm finding. And, you know, when I say happy, it's like, I'm not, like, walking around, like, you know, cackling with laughter.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's not normal. I never. That's not normal. I never trust people who are like that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, no, and I'm not. I don't have a perma smile.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You can't trust those people.

[Megyn Kelly]

No. It reminds me of my time on the Today show. Very jarring, very fake. Those are not happy or good people.

[Charlie Sheen]

But it's the littler things that start to matter a lot more, you know, as I go further down the road on the journey. But the 60 thing was. It was messing with my head.

[Megyn Kelly]

Why?

[Charlie Sheen]

Because it was like, shit, man. I spent Most of my 50s, like, apologizing to people, and that's fine, because I needed basically a decade to get through all of those apologies. And it was also part of the reason that, you know, that really drove me to find the passion to do the book, to do the doc and really create a moment, not really so much of a comeback. And I think we spoke about this the last time, but just more of a reset. And I wanted to just put all that shit behind me, but do it properly and do it in a way that was honest and noble and thorough and. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, it was thorough. All right. It was really thorough. You did lay it all out there very bare. We talked about it when you came on, but there was the incident, which you've since clarified a little of the crossover tour. When it comes. Comes to the sexuality wasn't like the full crossover. It was just. It was more like playing in the sandbox as opposed to, like, rolling around in the sand. Rolling over in the sand. Do you follow?

[Charlie Sheen]

So the sandbox, not like an entire beach. Right, Got it, got it. Not like my own tropical island. Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

So, like, does that make it hard for you now, like, you've come out with that. That happens, which probably isn't that unusual for people who are super famous and super rich and have had a drug thing.

[Charlie Sheen]

If. If that wasn't a part of my story with, you know, how far I took it and the amount of cocaine I ingested in any means available, if that wasn't part of my story, I think people would be like, hey, wait a minute. We've, you know, in other. I can't say similar stories, but other examples, that's usually been one of the consistent ingredients in that recipe.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, last time we were together, I asked you whether you're getting hit on nonstop now by gay men, and the answer was yes. They're all like, I got a shot. But I forgot to ask you whether.

[Charlie Sheen]

That was a funny moment in the. In the interview, because that. That came early. That was like, in the first five minutes, right?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

And that told me, like, okay, all right. This is. This is cool.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

This is.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's. It's on.

[Megyn Kelly]

We're going there.

[Charlie Sheen]

We're fucking doing this. Yeah. And I'm like, well, why the hell not? And I'm sorry I cut you off.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, no, no. But I forgot to ask you the other half of that, which is, you know, we saw Sean Penn in the clip.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Megyn Kelly]

Nick Cage was one of your best friends. Did those guys come back to you and say, could you clarify that? That it was not, you know, your best friends who. Who did the tour with you?

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Oh.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no. It's nobody anybody recognizes. Yeah. Jesus, man.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

No.

[Charlie Sheen]

All of your favorite. Most of them TV and film stars that I know are off the hook. So, yeah, I'll just own it. But another thing that we did discuss was that I knew for so long how it felt to keep all that shit in, and also a lot of the consequences that it brought or the target. I still presented myself as, you know, to some very nefarious types.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like you were actually being blackmailed.

[Charlie Sheen]

I was being blackmailed as being extorted. Shaken down. Yeah. And so there was a strategic opponent to unloading a lot of this to where I just wanted to be unextortable, you know? I think I. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. And thank you. And, Megan, I thought it would be a much bigger price to pay than what it's revealed itself to be. And that's, like. That's so encouraging because that's really a leap of faith. That's like saying, all right, you know, I'm going to talk about all. All this stuff and you know, I don't.

[Megyn Kelly]

Will you still love me?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Will you still love me?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, they do. I mean, those kinds of things can really restore your faith in humanity. Right? Like you could have named your book this Is Me Now. And I think people would have received it just the same. Like, I think people are mature enough and even this is like a right leaning audience. A lot of people of faith, you know, they may not love all the drugs and the crossover tour, though. I think we're fine with that now. Kind of fine with it. Yeah, we're evolved. But I think they, they understand and love redemption.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right on, right on. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

But before we get to the redemption. Okay, let's go back a little.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay.

[Megyn Kelly]

You don't skip all the fun stuff.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Good.

[Megyn Kelly]

So it seems to me in watching the dots and reading the book that the craziest pal you had was Nicolas Cage. Am I wrong?

[Charlie Sheen]

You are not wrong. Different kind of crazy.

[Megyn Kelly]

Go on.

[Charlie Sheen]

Other, like extra galactically so, but with a wisdom and a sense of humor. Humor and, and a devil may care. Just air about him. That was just, it was like, like poetic Lava.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

I, I, I think he would appreciate being described as poetic Lava.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Who wouldn't?

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, because lava, you know, you see it coming, you can get away, right? I mean, moves pretty slow, but God, it burns everything to the ground. And you sure as heck don't forget that it was there, you know, even decades later. What am I even talking about?

[Megyn Kelly]

No, we're following.

[Charlie Sheen]

What am I talking about? I'm talking about Nic Cage.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, we're still on. Nick, can you bring us aboard the airplane with the walkie talkie thing that, the pilot.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, with the, with the intercom.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Can we talk about how the hell that happened?

[Charlie Sheen]

It started out just as a friendly game, like a performance exercise game, interaction with just the rest of the plane and because there was still, you know, the curtain that separates the front from the back, you know, and so, so we'd been up for a few days at that point.

[Megyn Kelly]

Sure.

[Charlie Sheen]

And just kind of made the decision, we're going to Vegas and you know, I buy this like $9, like Dick Tracy hat in the airport. And so what, what were, there's, there's five of us. That's how we became the Jackson five. I mean, what, Right. And that wasn't about music, that was just about numbers, because five and so no, we're on the plane. And so we were kind of using that curtain to do like a 10 second bit and just Try to get around loving this.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's Charlie Sheen and Nick Cage and others.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Who are notable.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

And you're just entertaining the plane. Can you imagine this?

[Charlie Sheen]

But it was, but it was all in just fun, you know, friendly spirit. And you know, Eddie would point out, you know, the Grand Canyon on the left side of the airplane and the Eiffel Tower on the right. I mean it was just silly, you know.

[Megyn Kelly]

So that's not in Las Vegas.

[Charlie Sheen]

What's that?

[Megyn Kelly]

That's not in Las Vegas.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's really not. Well, there's a, there's a little version of it, right?

[Megyn Kelly]

There is actually.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. But things like that. And so, so Nick went last and I don't know if he just, he didn't understand the theme of what we.

[Megyn Kelly]

Were going for or light hearted fun. Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

He took it to a place where he grabbed the intercom and he says, ladies and gentlemen, gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. I'm not feeling well. And you can, you can hear the plane just kind of get whisper quiet. Right. And people are kind of looking at each other. Is this really the captain? He says, and I, I, I, I, I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm losing control of the airplane. And now, you know, whatever level of high or drunkenness or any of us were, we suddenly were laser focused on the amount of the shit that we were in because of that. And he didn't even do the bit at the curtain.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, so they were buying it. That it actually might be.

[Charlie Sheen]

They didn't see him doing it. That's thinking back, I think that was part of it.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's where we went wrong.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. Yeah. Cuz had he done that holding the mic? It's, it's in, it's in poor taste. But they know it's a performance piece.

[Megyn Kelly]

Baby. In bounds.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. But they, all they did was hear it. And you could see the, the, the flight crew like launch into panic mode. And, and one of the stories, stewards like walked right up to Nick and he just goes, not cool, buddy.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not cool.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And then, you know, Nick didn't, I think I talk about this in the doc.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

And, and in the book. Nick, Nick didn't know that I was basically the dope mule for that trip for the Jackson 5 and really did.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not want to get pulled over by the cops.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, no. And I, I was rolling with such a fat bag of cocaine that it wouldn't fit in any of my pockets. Right. So I taped it to the inside of my thigh. Oh my God. And tried to Wear a baggier pant. And so I, I'm like, you know, like, right in my crotch.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, God.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm rolling with, like, 5 to 10 for distribution. And so when we landed, we were met with the feds, with local authorities, with just a bunch of frowns and ire and. Yeah, it was. Luckily, though, this is that thing that you, that you talked about, about consequences, to a point.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Because they're like, this is such bullshit. This can never. Oh. Oh, hello, Mr. Sheen. Hello, Mr. Cage.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

And the turn of fortune comes to save you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Exactly.

[Megyn Kelly]

Again.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Or did it, you know, like, if you, if you had just gotten in, like, serious trouble early on.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know. Would you have gone through everything you went through.

[Charlie Sheen]

If, if, if, if the middle word in life. Right? I, yeah, probably.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Probably.

[Megyn Kelly]

You were resilient.

[Charlie Sheen]

I think so.

[Megyn Kelly]

You were really committed. Can we spend a minute talking about the prostitutes? Because you.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Wow.

[Megyn Kelly]

You have, like, this iconic line about calling up a prostitute. And I confess, my husband Doug is the one who told me about it, and I love it. It's very funny. When somebody asked you, you know, you're Charlie Sheen, why would you feel the need to pay for sex? And do you remember what you said?

[Charlie Sheen]

I do. And what I should have said. Now that's a terrible response. I'm not even gonna. No, I'm gonna let that one just keep drifting away. I, I, I, I said I'm not, I'm not, I'm not paying them to, to show up. Is that what I said? I'm, I'm paying them to leave.

[Jack Posobiec]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

And see, that's not paying for the sex.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's crass. That is crass and disrespectful.

[Megyn Kelly]

But, but illuminating for, for those of us not in the trade.

[Charlie Sheen]

The trade. Amazing. No, but I wish I could claim ownership of that quote, because that was borrowed.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, from whom?

[Charlie Sheen]

I've heard different versions of it. As far as the genesis of it, I'm pretty sure it's a, It's a Cary Grant quote.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's probably one of those quotes that nobody really wants the credit for.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. So I see your point now because we eventually kind of went. We went, we did the prostitute circuit, and then there was a pornography, like a porn actress. And we're not even, we don't even mean a Kardashian, like, actual so. Oh, you know it and I know it. She's famous because of that sex tape. And it's never gonna happen on the bar exam.

[Charlie Sheen]

I, I've Okay. I've never seen that tape.

[Megyn Kelly]

Kim Kardashian.

[Charlie Sheen]

I've never seen that tape.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, you've never seen that, But I know.

[Charlie Sheen]

I know what it is.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Have you guys seen the Kim Kardashian sex tape?

[Charlie Sheen]

Everybody's like, ew.

[Megyn Kelly]

What do I say? There's no proper answer to that. So when you think about, like, that stint because you kind of graduated, I mean, by today's standards, that's all tame, by the way. You know, like, what these young men are into on the Internet today is, like, that blows doors on any of that stuff.

[Charlie Sheen]

Wow.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, how do you see that? Because you also had real love in your life. You had three marriages.

[Charlie Sheen]

I had three marriages.

[Megyn Kelly]

Three marriages, Denise. And you seem to really love each other. Denise Richards, of course.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

[Megyn Kelly]

And so, like, you kind of had two lanes of, like, real love and a real partner and mothers to your children. And then you had this other low lane.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Megyn Kelly]

So when you think on, like, the love and the sexual experiences of your life, do they seem dramatically far apart? Like, there were the women I loved, and then there was this other, like, really unfortunate thing, or how do you see it?

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean. I mean. Yeah, I don't know if I can add to that. No, no, I will. I was never a cheater. Like, I never strayed from any moment that I was actually married.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's awesome.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Seriously, especially while on drugs and all that. Like, that says something about your character.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Yeah, so I didn't. I mean, during the legal separations, that was then, I knew I was kind of off the hook with that whole vow thing.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right, right. You were on a break.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes. No. And I went into those marriages with the best intentions and the best hope for some kind of a future together. But the other thing, it just. At the time, I mean, you know, I was younger and a lot of different other things going on. It was. It was. It was. It was more exciting. It was more exciting. I don't know that I can present it any more insightful than that or, like, drill down to the, like, the core issue behind it or what it might be connected to. It was the thrill of, you know, at times, sometimes not knowing if I was going to open the door to a lovely gal or to cops.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know what I'm saying?

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't. It sounds fascinating.

[Charlie Sheen]

Roll of the dice. Sorry. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, I feel like. Because I know. Are you dating Dolly again? Is this true? No, no. Not dating Dolly. If you guys read the book, Dolly is The young woman he was dating when he went to visit then Governor Bill Clinton in the Arkansas state House. And would you. And what did Bill Clinton do?

[Charlie Sheen]

He took one look at her and whispered to an aide, find out what you can about the brunette.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, zeroed in on it, you know, and it was kind of, like, not cool. But he, like, we have the same taste. I don't fucking know. It was kind of flattering for her. Not cool to me. You know, it's a weird place to be, you know?

[Megyn Kelly]

Did you ever feel that special something looking at Hillary.

[Charlie Sheen]

That.

[Megyn Kelly]

Enough.

[Charlie Sheen]

I. I told no one. Find out what you can. It's a no about the blonde.

[Megyn Kelly]

So. Well, the reason I ask is because I read that you and Dolly had either renewed your friendship or possibly your relationship today.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

And I thought it would be very hard to be your, like, partner in today's day and age, given the history. I feel like the performance bar would be very high. Right. Like, ladies. You know what I'm saying? I'd be, like, googling the videos if you're like, what's my next move? I don't like.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, gosh.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Wow.

[Charlie Sheen]

I mean, I. Wouldn't the bar be high for me also?

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't. I think for women, they just want somebody who will listen to them.

[Charlie Sheen]

Okay.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't. I'm not sure the bar is particularly high for.

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm a pretty good listener.

[Megyn Kelly]

There you go.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Yeah. No. Dolly and I reconnect because she. She read the book and. And thought it was fabulous and. And was really flattered and really touched by how, you know, the stories that I. That I told about us in the book and. And how I told them. And I. In fact, there were a couple things I thought she was going to be upset with and. And she wasn't. She was just so excited to be a part of it, you know, And I was like, how could you not have been a part of it? And then. We just reconnected and then just as old lovers, but New friends.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, that's got potential, Charlie. I don't know.

[Charlie Sheen]

As the title of my next book.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Old Lovers, New Friends. That sucks. I'm not buying that book.

[Megyn Kelly]

It. Does it. It definitely does not suck as a life theme. I don't know. We'll get back to. He'll get back to us on Dolly at our next tour and see how that goes. Or on somebody, because I feel like that's the next step for you now that you're. You've been in recovery for eight years. Your kids are getting older.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're back. Life is back on track.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know. I'd love to see you well settled.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, no, I, I thank you. I, I would like to see me settled too, but, but there's no, I haven't been in a relationship for a long time. Yeah, not since like 2018.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, Denise is in the news a lot. Your ex wife. She is, she moved on to and got remarried and she's the mother of two of your kids, your two daughters.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Do you guys still maintain a relationship or you're still friends?

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, of course.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, that's good.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, she's, it's, it's, you know, we thank you. You know, I started out hot and heavy, and then a bunch of shit happened, and then it got, you know, just kind of icky and whatever. But today it's just like, we don't really, we don't really care about any of that other shit because it's not who we are today, you know? And I feel terrible what she's going through with, with the current divorce stuff.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's just for those of you not paying attention, she was on Real Housewives. She married another man. She has alleged that he has been physically abusive to her. He has denied it. He accuses her of being a hoarder. It's gotten very, very ugly between the two of them. I know her just a little and she seems like such a sweet gal, I have to say. Like, I've only been really favorably impressed by her, but of course, I wasn't married to her.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, she is, I mean, she's a, she's a Midwestern girl, you know, we're raised in a, in a Christian household, you know.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, so are you.

[Charlie Sheen]

This is true. This is true.

[Megyn Kelly]

Martin Sheen is a devout Catholic.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. Or a, as I call him in the book, a cathoholic.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. So what, like apple tree? Like what, what happened there?

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, oh, the distance from it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Malibu china. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Because he was an actor. Is an actor, but he was in the business. He had all the same temptations and really, really, really tried to help shepherd you back onto the, you know, the good path.

[Charlie Sheen]

Sure.

[Megyn Kelly]

But did the Catholicism not really speak to you or what happened with you when it comes to faith and religion?

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't, I don't, I don't reject any religion, per se. I just, I, you know, I, I, I, I. There's just some days when, you know, I spend more time looking up curiously, I spend more time looking up these days than I do looking down. Does that make sense?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Thank God.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. And people are like, well, do you believe in God? And I'm like, well, yeah, the things I believe in. I don't have a better word to attach to those feelings and those beliefs and just that hope. I don't have a better word than God. You know, I'm not, you know, mother universe. I can't. I can't do that stuff, you know? So. Yeah, I. But that's just the part that I've kind of never. It's not like I don't want to talk about that. I just never really explored it. But I. But I. But I can't say. I can say I've been very close to it for a very long time.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

You know, it's like something kept my heart beating.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Something kept my heart.

[Charlie Sheen]

Heart beating.

[Megyn Kelly]

There's no way you came through that on your own.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's like. Thank you. I don't. I don't run any part of this show. You know what I'm saying?

[Megyn Kelly]

In this particular show.

[Charlie Sheen]

No, no. Just the overall scheme of life. I don't.

[Megyn Kelly]

I went too far.

[Charlie Sheen]

I don't. I don't run any part of. Of my journey other than the stuff that I. That I navigate that's right in front of me, other than the stuff that's actually tangible and. And requires my involvement and attention and input. You know what I'm saying?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Just as far as the bigger picture. I know. I don't really. I'm sure there were times when I thought I was in control of much bigger things, but. Nope.

[Megyn Kelly]

You've been humbled.

[Charlie Sheen]

No.

[Megyn Kelly]

So your dad is very outspoken about his politics. He is not a Trump fan.

[Charlie Sheen]

No. But his timing on that thing was really shitty, man.

[Jack Posobiec]

And.

[Charlie Sheen]

I told him so. But then I had to take a step back, and we'd just gone through that whole thing with Kimmel with the freedom of speech. Right. And so I was like, yeah, yeah, okay. No, own that. You know, because it's the unpleasant things that we have to grant freedom to as well. Right. Unless they're threats or like that. But I was like, dad, the timing. That timing, man, you gotta. You gotta read the room, you know.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Right.

[Charlie Sheen]

Because he's. He, you know, he brokers the peace deal and the entire universe is celebrating, and Dad's with Nicole Wallace. Oh, yeah. And I was like, threw up in my mouth a little again, though. Again. You know what I'm saying? Free to express.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Charlie Sheen]

How he felt. But he could have Done that, like on Wednesday.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right, right. You know that. When we just created peace in the Middle East. So how about you?

[Charlie Sheen]

Just that. Are you just that. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Are you getting more comfortable with your politics and expressing them?

[Charlie Sheen]

I am. And it's. I think I talked to you about this early on and it just, I had to feel something different because, you know, I think we all, or a lot of us, remain beholden to the structure, you know, the structure of the house that we were raised in, with politics, with religion, with the arts, with culture. It's just that, you know, those are our early influences. And so I, that's just all I knew growing up, you know, and it was like the good guys and the bad guys and, and, yeah, okay. For a while. But then, you know, I, I've. I've paid the most taxes of anybody in my fucking family.

[Megyn Kelly]

So that'll do it.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. What I couldn't do, because I was about to do the doc and start the book while at the same time, you know, trying to bring an NA beer to the public, you know, with Wild af. And we have, it's currently shipping.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Nice.

[Charlie Sheen]

So I said, there's, there's no way I can tackle any of this with the kind of just focus and motivation, determination if I feel like I did during Trump's first term. Right. And I thought, okay, okay, how do I, how do I not feel? Because I was not going to go to bed every night feeling fucking hopeless. I was not going to go to bed every night being told things were, you know, the.

[Megyn Kelly]

Catastrophic.

[Charlie Sheen]

Catastrophic, yeah. The end is nigh. And I thought, all right, I'm going to conduct an experiment, literally, I'm going to change the channel. I'm going to do my own research, like I've done with everything my entire life. I'm going to listen to other voices. Thank you. I'm going to explore. I'm going to explore just. Hearing both sides of the goddamn story, you know, because what I was, you know, so hypnotized by, in some ways can be described as state run media. I'm sorry, but it can. Legacy media is very much like that. And I said, okay, all right, enough of that, enough of that. I'm going to change the channel, hear some different voices and do the research. And the things that I discovered and the things that I started to really unearth, you know, it was just, it was not just one of those moments. It was like months of those moments of, oh my gosh, yeah. And I felt really stupid. I don't have a fancier way to describe it, I felt really stupid. Yeah, just some of the stuff I'd bought into and some of the stuff I was worshiping and some of the people I was hating because I was told I was supposed to hate them, you know?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, we've been there.

[Charlie Sheen]

And I'm just like, this doesn't. And I wanted to feel better for my health, for my mental health, for my physical health, just for my ability to, you know, interact with my kids, you know, in a healthier capacity. Right. And so I was like, yeah, all right, fuck it. I'm gonna root for this. I'm gonna see how that feels, Right?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. And so when you walked into the ballot box and voted for Trump, how did that feel?

[Charlie Sheen]

Well, you see, that's a.

[Megyn Kelly]

A.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's a detail, you know, that's another one of those examples where you feel stupid, you know? No, I was still kind of still in that other side of the thing.

[Megyn Kelly]

You weren't there yet.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah. But, you know, it's. It's a. It's a vote I'd like to have back, but that's all right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Did you actually vote for Kamala Harris? Oh, my God. And you were. That was in your sober period.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, I know, I know, I know.

[Megyn Kelly]

We forgive you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. No, there was again, it's.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

It's.

[Charlie Sheen]

It's the things you're paying attention to and the people that you respect that you're listening to, and it's all kind of turns into this.

[Megyn Kelly]

Do you feel. Is this risky for you at all?

[Charlie Sheen]

Of course it is.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right. Because you're a very famous actor, but, you know, like to get more roles, I think generally you have to be a Democrat.

[Charlie Sheen]

If that's the case, I hope this beer is a giant success. Yes. No, I don't think that that represents any. Any freedom of expression or freedom of choice or freedom of sanity. Freedom of sanity. How about that? No, I, you know. And of course, you know, some of the stuff you were talking about earlier about. God, this brilliant. This brilliant thing that you discussed about, you know, during the. During the run up, during the campaign, during, like, all this, it was like. It felt so much more exciting, you know, But I think I. I think. I think. I think things are still going to be okay. I really do. I really do. Because.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Why?

[Charlie Sheen]

Because as long as they never look anything like that dumpster fire that I was finally able to kind of, you know, push back down the alley, as long as they don't look like that, I. I'm. I'm hopeful. You.

[Megyn Kelly]

What do you Mean, I'm not following you. Are you talking about your own life experience here or you're talking about Kamala Harris?

[Charlie Sheen]

I'm, I'm talking about the party that I'm not, that I had to, I, I, I had to part ways with. Yeah, I, I had to. I mean, no, but, but Megan, I, Right on. I, I, I, I stuck it out as long as I possibly could. Yes, but, you know, now I don't have, you know, a brain full of cocaine and a bedroom full of prostitutes.

[Megyn Kelly]

You see things much more clearly now.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Welcome to the party.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

The party of sanity.

[Charlie Sheen]

But that said, that said, it still, still interesting to now, you know, see some of the stuff that's going on that I think a lot of us.

[Victor Davis Hanson]

Are.

[Megyn Kelly]

Concerned with are like, what, what's bothering you?

[Charlie Sheen]

Like, a lot of the infighting, like, you know, like a lot of the stuff that just doesn't feel unifying in a time when there's so much at stake. Yeah, there is so much at stake.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know. I, I feel it too, and I get drawn into it, and then I try to step back from it and I get mad. I have fights with people on Twitter. Half the time I'm just like, I'm fighting because I feel like they think I won't fight. So I fight because I want to remind them that they can't push me around.

[Charlie Sheen]

Right? Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Then the other half, I say nothing because I always. What I've learned at age 55 is Finally, I will decide when I'm in a fight. I will decide when I'm in a fight.

[Charlie Sheen]

How about that?

[Megyn Kelly]

The left wing media, the dishonest smear merchants will not decide when I am in a fight or a controversy. I will decide.

[Charlie Sheen]

I love that. I love that.

[Megyn Kelly]

So what about acting again? Because I think we'd love to see you.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Do you feel ready for that or is that.

[Charlie Sheen]

Absolutely. Because what I've kind of been sharing with people is like, all this attention and all this, this love and, and, and, and like, you know, welcome back to the, to life, man. Just, you know, just open arms everywhere. And I haven't even still yet done, like my job, like the thing I'm known for. I haven't even done that yet. And the response I'm getting is incredible.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, this is a function of being rich, right? Most people would have had to go back out and work already. But you must still have a lot of the money that you earn. No.

[Charlie Sheen]

How much time do we have tonight? No, I don't. I Don't. I'm very fortunate, and I remind myself of that every day. It doesn't. You know, maybe I'm not living where I think I deserve to be living or have the. You know, the things I think I deserve. No. But I have nothing to complain about, you know, and just have to remind myself of that. I have no food insecurity. I have no shelter insecurity. You know, I don't. And. Yeah. And that's a reason why I don't offer my opinion about things that affect people in that way.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Charlie Sheen]

Because my opinion is useless in those scenarios.

[Megyn Kelly]

I have to say, though, as much as I think we'd all love to see you on the big screen or the little screen, no one wants that to come at the expense of your sobriety and. Right. We don't.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, no, of course not. No. Thank you. No. And I know it was only a couple of months ago, but you, like, very lovingly and compassionate. Really touched me when you. When your closing message in our satellite session together was don't die.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. So, no, truly, I don't. I do not want him to be the next Matthew Perry. And for me to be doing the show and to say we knew him and we loved him and we had such hope for him and adored him and we lost him to a fucking drug. We don't want that.

[Charlie Sheen]

It was awful.

[Megyn Kelly]

Don't let that happen.

[Charlie Sheen]

Yeah, but. But. No, and. And what I was going to say is, I know it's only been a couple of months, but so far, kept my word.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, I believe in you. We all believe in you.

[Jack Posobiec]

But.

[Charlie Sheen]

But. But I. But I definitely. I want to be back on television. I want to be back on the big screen. I want to be back in people's living rooms. I want to be just engaged in that thing again because I'm at a place where it's gonna matter to me for different reasons, and this time for all the right reasons.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. You know, I don't know, Charlie. I feel like you need it, and we need it, too.

[Charlie Sheen]

Oh, right on.

[Megyn Kelly]

I think it's the final piece of the redemption arc. That, plus the lady, plus voting for JD Vance, and then we can put a bow on it. Right, Right. And then I think we're good to go. But listen, we're rooting for you. We love you. We're really grateful to you. Thank you so much for being here.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank. Thank you for having me.

[Megyn Kelly]

A. I'm honored. Best of luck with everything. Thank you. Oh, my pleasure. Charlie Sheen, everybody.

[Charlie Sheen]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thank you. Don't you love him? And I love you so much. We'll talk to you tomorrow on the show. We'll talk to you on Monday. Please stay in touch and keep listening. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.