Elitist Colbert, Shutdown Politics, and Epstein and Israel - "Megyn Kelly Live" with Adam Carolla, MTG, John Rich, Lowry and Cooke | Ep. 1190

Summary

The Megyn Kelly Show: Elitist Colbert, Shutdown Politics, and Epstein and Israel ("Megyn Kelly Live" Ep. 1190)

Date: November 10, 2025
Guests: Adam Carolla, Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG), John Rich, Rich Lowry, Charles C.W. Cooke
Location: Atlanta, GA (Live Audience)

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Episode Overview

This live episode of The Megyn Kelly Show captures a celebratory, no-holds-barred town hall-style event in Atlanta featuring a panel of conservative luminaries: Adam Carolla, Rich Lowry, Charles C.W. Cooke, Marjorie Taylor Greene (MTG), and country music star John Rich. Megyn Kelly leads incisive and humorous discussions on generational change in politics, election results, shutdown politics, free speech in culture and music, gender debates, the choking divide over Israel, Supreme Court succession fears, and explosive Epstein–Israel allegations, all while emphasizing unity among conservatives amid rising threats. The show is punctuated by memorable music performances and spirited crowd engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Family, Generational Shift, and Conservative Optimism

• Megyn Kelly opens reflecting on her Gen X roots, parenting shifts, and the discovery that Millennials are currently America's most conservative generation.
• Megyn expresses surprise at this shift, seeing hope for Gen Z as well:

  “Millennials are actually the most conservative right now. ... That is such a hopeful sign because they were lunatics like 15 years ago. So maybe there’s hope for the next gen coming up.” (03:11)

2. Cancel Culture Double Standards & Political Divides in Families

• Contrasts are drawn between “cancelable” behavior (eg. Jimmy Kimmel’s blackface) and continued media careers; hypocrisy is scrutinized.
• Clips of Jimmy Kimmel’s wife reveal painful partisan rifts within families; significant audience acknowledgment of losing friends/family over support for Trump.
• Megyn advises:

  “They’re not worth our time. Life’s too short. We have to move on without them.” (05:37)

3. Immigration, Prioritizing Americans, and Audience Q&A

• MTG’s hardline stance on illegal immigration is reaffirmed—no pathway for those brought young:

  “I’m sorry. It’s not that I have no empathy. ... There has to be a priority of taking care of Americans first.” (06:44)

• Rich dialogue with young women in the audience about “doing it all”—Megyn advised prioritizing family before career, echoing her personal journey but underscoring practicality:

  “If you wait too long, we do have a window. ... Having a spouse and having your children first should be first in line.” (07:45)

4. Party Politics, Divisions Over Israel, and Generational Splits

• Audience expresses fear of the "Islamic takeover"—Megyn points to Minneapolis and Dearborn as “gone” under Islamic control.
• Increasing left–right and generational splits over the Israel issue; Megyn urges,

  "Whatever your views on Israel, you should not let it divide us as Americans. ... We have some truly demonic people on the other side that truly want us dead. So our side needs to stand together." (15:03)

5. Conservatism, Alienation, and Political Unity

• Former official Vernon Jones and others discuss estrangement due to conservative views—but find solace and unity with the like-minded audience.
• Megyn affirms the power of community:

  “There are millions. We’re in the majority right now. We are in the majority in this country.” (17:26)

6. 2025 Election Recap and Conservative Backlash

• Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cooke analyze Republican setbacks in recent elections, spotlighting the “Democratic wave” and the essentiality of understanding voter motivation, especially the importance of Trump to turnout:

  “The Republicans have a much better argument...but they haven’t stuck to that line particularly well, and I wonder if that’s hurt.” (25:54)

7. The Filibuster, Shutdowns, and Dangers of Short-Term Thinking

• In-depth critique of Trump’s push to abolish the Senate filibuster:

  “Anything the Republicans did now with an abolished filibuster, the Democrats can reverse...The upside is very small, as a practical matter. The downside could be huge.” – Charles C.W. Cooke & Rich Lowry (28:51)

• Megyn cautions against “playing with fire”:

  “Americans tend to like divided government. ... There is no chance there wouldn’t be a bloodbath in the midterms.” (30:08)

8. Supreme Court Succession and The Legacy of Thomas and Alito

• Fears about aging conservative justices mirror the left's RBG dilemma.

  “Clarence Thomas is one of the greatest Americans...But at the same time, the idea of telling the guy, you need to retire now is obviously grotesque.” – Charles C.W. Cooke (33:12)

9. The Leftward Lurch: Scott Wiener, Gender Ideology, and Cultural Backlash

• Scott Wiener’s legislative “obsession” with gender identity is lampooned.
• Rich Lowry marks a cultural turning point:

  “The insanity and imposition that have come with the letter T have caused a backlash...And we’re winning this issue—not just transports and the medical procedures, but fewer young people are embracing non-traditional sexual identities.” (39:17)

10. Marjorie Taylor Greene: Maverick Congresswoman on the Hotseat

• MTG candidly discusses being blacklisted by Fox, her View appearance, and the need for action, not just rhetoric.
• On claims of “evolving”/modifying stances:

  “No, there’s—that’s impossible, everybody. I’m so America First. First, I’m America only.” (48:44)

• Forceful criticism of Congressional inaction:

  “I want to get back to work. ... The only thing I want to do is get to work and pass the agenda that everybody voted for.” (58:55)

• On Epstein–Israel:

  “There was a batch of emails released just recently that showed that Jeffrey Epstein worked closely with Israel on different military contracts...And it’s not anti-Semitic to criticize a government.” (57:52)

11. John Rich: Music, Freedom, and Culture Wars

• John Rich recounts being ostracized by the Nashville music industry for political views and praises country music’s populist roots:

  “Songwriters...can write anything they want...They shut down the Vietnam War. ... Today, it’s a little bit different because the industry is completely overrun with whack job communists, big time.” (76:38)

• Performs emotionally charged tributes to veterans (“8th of November”) and discusses threats to conservative artists post–Charlie Kirk assassination.

12. Adam Carolla: Comedy, Masculinity, and Elitist Media

• Adam satirizes progressive masculinity (“the deep-leg cross”), contrasts his background/Trump’s builder mentality with “elitist” show hosts like Colbert, and highlights keeping friendships (like with Jimmy Kimmel) despite deep political divides:

  “These guys haven’t been in the real world for a long time...They talk about common people...with disdain.” (127:58)

• On Kimmel:

  “If somebody opened a door for you, and somebody helped you...you must take that one to the grave. You cannot turn your back on that. And so that was like, number one for me.” (137:49)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (by Timestamp)

Family Lessons on Compliments & Gen X:
“Our parents ignored us, our older siblings bullied us, and we wound up having a thick skin that we would very much need later in life.” – Megyn Kelly (01:13)

On Political Divisions in Families:
“Raise your hand if you lost a friend or family member because you’re a Trump supporter. ... They’re not worth our time.” – Megyn Kelly (05:32)

On Immigration Priorities:
“We can barely take care of our own citizens. ... There has to be a priority.” – Megyn Kelly (06:44)

On Bridging Generational Divides Over Israel:
“We have to have each other’s back when it comes to fighting the lunatic left that wants us dead.” – Megyn Kelly (15:03)

On Supreme Court Stakes:
“The idea of telling [Thomas], you need to retire now is obviously grotesque. ... I hope it doesn’t happen.” – Charles C.W. Cooke (33:12)

On SC Filibuster Debate:
“The upside is very small, as a practical matter. The downside could be huge.” – Charles C.W. Cooke (28:51)

On Gender Politics:
“The insanity and imposition that have come with the letter T have caused a backlash...and we’re winning this issue.” – Rich Lowry (39:17)

On Congressional Inaction:
“How can you not...Our executive orders, his executive orders. We all have bills that reflect them.” – Marjorie Taylor Greene (49:43)

On Friendship Across Political Divides:
“There’s nothing worse than an ingrate...if somebody opened a door for you, you must take that one to the grave. ... That was like, number one for me.” – Adam Carolla (137:41)

MTG on Facing Criticism:
“If you had all the death threats I have, you can understand why I do that way sometimes.” (43:51)

John Rich on Music Censorship:
“I decided my freedom of speech was more important to me than the approval of the music industry.” (72:15)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Audience Q&A on Family, Generations, Immigration: 05:12–09:24
• Election Analysis (Rich Lowry & Charles C.W. Cooke): 24:00–32:32
• Gender, Cultural Issues, Scott Wiener: 36:22–39:52
• MTG Interview (Shutdowns, Epstein, Israel): 43:51–62:47
• John Rich Stories & Performance: 71:54–98:40
• Adam Carolla Comedy & Analysis: 103:47–141:59

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Flow & Tone

The episode stands out for its unapologetic, bantering style: Megyn Kelly leads with candor, audience engagement, and biting humor. Panelists mix cultural/political critique with deeply personal stories and an undercurrent of unity in the face of growing polarization and threats. Humor (especially from Carolla), musical interludes, and audience participation balance out the gravity of some topics (eg. assassination of Charlie Kirk, Epstein investigation, culture wars), resulting in an event that feels celebratory, resilient, and defiant.

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Conclusion

This “Megyn Kelly Live” episode is a sweeping tour through the heart of current conservative anxieties and aspirations: generational renewal, the responsibility to dissent, rejection of elite condescension, the struggle for party unity, and upholding free speech and cultural traditions. Blending incisive analysis, heartfelt appeals, raucous music, and sharp comedy, the show invites listeners to join a community determined not to be silenced or cowed by today’s political and cultural headwinds.

Transcript

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Save up to 40% your first year. Visit LifeLock.com SpecialOffer terms apply. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hello, beautiful Atlanta. Oh, my God, it's incredible here. Look at this crowd. I'm honored to have you with me tonight, you guys. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for being here. Sit, sit. Enjoy yourself. Okay? This one is super special to me for many reasons. I've got my kids backstage, two out of three. And I've got my brother Pete out there with you. Pete, are you in the front? Can I. Where are you? Stand up. Peter Kelly. Where is he? Here, right here. That's my big brother. Pete's five years older than I am, and we were a family of three. We lost my sister a couple years ago, but she was the oldest. And then came Pete, and then came me. And he absolutely tortured me as a child. He looked out for me, but he tortured me. But it was a good kind of torture, right? It was the 70s. So we were raised, right. Our parents ignored us, our older siblings bullied us, and we wound up having a thick skin that we would very much need later in life. We're too complimentary these days. I was talking to Tucker the other night, and he was saying his parents literally never paid him a compliment. Like, they never. They were not into compliments at all. And he was saying how his dad would look over his shoulder when he was writing his thank you notes. And if the dad ever saw the word I, he'd say, oh, it's all about you right now. That's the exactly opposite of the message most of us are sending our kids like it is all about you. You're so smart and sweet and special. Junior. We're overcompensating, I think, for being ignored for the first 30 years of our lives. But I do believe that Gen X is the greatest generation. I know I'm biased. It's the greatest generation, but I did just read today that there. Do you believe, guess what generation is considered the most conservative now? Right now, do you know Gen Z. They're saying Gen Z. I do think that the back end of Gen Z, like our kids, they are going to be the most conservative. But right now, you're not going to believe this. It's millennials. I know millennials are actually the most conservative right now. And you know what? That is such a hopeful sign because they were lunatics like 15 years ago. So maybe there's hope for the next gen coming up. I'm feeling very, very positive about it. In that sizzle reel we did. We love the sizzle reels. We have a great producer, Jake Whitman, who puts those together, and they're so fun. You saw a clip of Jimmy Kimmel in his blackface, right? Not all that guy wore blackface more times than he could count. He didn't. Didn't get canceled. But not only was he in blackface, he was, like speaking in ebonics doing Karl Malone. Fine, no problem. You can be a big host of ABC News. We don't care. So there was a soundbite that was circulating today of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife. And, you know, I really do believe this. You show me the wife and I'll tell you about the husband. Right. When it comes to politics, it's very rare that there'd be a huge gulf between them. Right. Just doesn't tend to work notwithstanding James Carville and Mary Matlin. So Jimmy and his wife gave an interview together in which the wife says she was raised by a conservative family and is talking about in the Midwest. I think she's in Missouri and the. Yeah, right. You'd think she'd stay normal. That's not what happened. All right, just watch this. It hurts me so much because of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man. And to me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family. And I unfortunately have kind of lost relationships with people in my family because of it. This is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore. It is, to me, it's family values. I like, personalize everything now when I see these terrible stories every day. I'm immediately mad at certain aunts, uncles.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Cousins who put him in power, and it's really hard. And I wish I could, like, deprogram.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Myself in some way, but I. I.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Get really angry, and I sent. I've sent many emails to family, like, right before the election, saying, I'm begging you, here's the 10 reasons not to.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Vote for this guy.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Please don't.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And I either got ignored by 90%.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Of them or got truly insane responses from a few.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Unbelievable. Right? I. I gave them the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy, but they're just too stupid to understand how right I am. Raise your hand if you lost a friend or a family member because you're a Trump supporter. Yeah. Most of the people here, and I just wanted to close my opening remarks with them. They're not worth our time. Life's too short. We have to move on without them. All right, let's get some questions going from the audience, and then we'll start the the party. I'm so happy to be here with you guys.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's go.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So happy. Love you guys so much.

[Rich Lowry]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I've been honing my question all week. Great. Hello.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Hi.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

This is actually more directed to mtg, so maybe you can attack her. It's about immigration. Okay. All right. I teach in her district. I live in Chattanooga. One of my students made national news about a year ago. She turned illegally.

[Rich Lowry]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Was arrested and put in a detention camp. She is one of thousands in my district. I know your stance on immigration is get them all out. I have former students that have been here 20 years. They came across the border when they were six months old. There is no pathway for them. What is Congress doing to give them a pathway? I'll run that by her, but I think the answer is nothing, because they need to go. I'm sorry. I'm not heartless. We have enough of our own problems. We can barely take care of our own citizens. Like, I'm sorry. It's not that I have no empathy for them. It's just there has to be a priority of taking care of Americans first. And if they leave now, Trump is saying, leave now. Tell us that you left, and then we can maybe get you back in and do this the right way, but you came in the wrong way, and you're gonna have to leave. I'm sorry. Next up. Hey, Megan. Love your hat and shirt. Thank you. I'm Reagan Atkins, and I go to Auburn University. Awesome.

[John Rich]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And I recently just went to the Turning Point event and got this free. I just wanted to mention that. But my question is for you is, as someone who, like, after college, I want to start a family. How do you, like, recommend for me, like, how to do it all like you're doing right now? That's a good question. So I'm a big fan. If you can do it finding your husband, like, soon, right? I do, I think, like, college. I would love Yates and Yards, if you're listening. I would love for you to find somebody in college and get married before you're 25 or 6. Really, it's about me because I'm old and I want to know my grandchildren, but honestly, it is kind of about me. The reason I'm giving this answer, because I didn't meet my husband, Doug, until I was 35, and then we got married very soon. We had kids at 38, 40, and 42, which is like, I'm like Methuselah having children out here. And while I wouldn't change a thing about it, if I could move it back 10 years, I 100% would, because I want all the time I can get with my kids and then with my grandkids. And I think young women aren't told that if you wait too long, you know, we do have a window of opportunity. And while I was lucky that the fertility didn't turn off, a lot of women aren't that lucky. So I really would prioritize first, finding a mate, finding a husband, and building a family. And the career will always be there to build. And you can do building blocks along the way while you're doing that for the career. Like, you can slowly get your degree or an advanced degree, what have you. But I think having meeting a spouse and having your children first should be first in line. I am. I do have a boyfriend of four years. Nice. So I'm hoping. Good. What's his name? His name's Garrison. Garrison. Do the right thing.

[John Rich]

Hi, Megan.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Hi.

[Adam Carolla]

My name is Joshua.

[John Rich]

My question is, during a recent stop, you had Ben Shapiro as a guest, and he had made some claims about Candace, saying that she had said certain things online.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And.

[John Rich]

And when he made those claims, you looked visibly uncomfortable because, you know, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Hadn'T heard that and couldn't verify that. So my question is, why did you.

[John Rich]

Look so uncomfortable in that moment? And have you researched the claims that he made since?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Thank you for that. Yeah. No. He said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard. And I was taken aback because that Seems like something I would have heard. It's so crazy. And I have since learned it is not true. Candace has not made that claim. And in fact, I've now seen several clips of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would never make a claim like that about Erica and that she, you know, she is open minded to other people at Turning Point. That's obvious. She's been making that point. I had heard that point, but that, but she has, but she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk and she's been saying she does not think that of Erica. And in fact, if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make comments about Erica. And so far, what I've seen, she hasn't. So thank you for that question. Hi, Megan. Hi, Kerry. Preston. Love you. You're the light of my day. Oh, thank you. Firstly, I'm from Virginia, so pray for me. Oh, God, do not violate a law, for the love of God.

[Rich Lowry]

I don't understand.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Do you not want that man predicting your future? I don't understand. So secondly, I just sent you a resume. Please look at it. Awesome. You know, we're doing well. We are hiring. I know, I saw. All right. Thirdly, my question is my biggest fear.

[Rich Lowry]

And there's a lot of fears, but.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

My biggest one is the Islamic takeover of the Western civilization. Who feels that way? Yes. Right. We're not alone. And so when I say this to certain people, they look at me like I have three heads. I have a tinfoil hat on. So how do we get this message across? Because it does sound a little conspiratorial. So how do we make it sound like it's an actual, real threat? Well, that's a good point. I mean, it's hard for you to play sound bites for your friends, right? But you should. Like, I'm going to play you some tonight that you could play like out of Minneapolis and Dearborn, which are gone. I mean, really, they're under Islamic control, Dearborn in particular, but Minneapolis close second. And then there's New York City, which 20 plus years after being bombed by radical Muslims, elects a guy who seems to love radical Muslims. Whether he's one of them, we're about to find out. He is Muslim. But I mean, like, as soon as he got in the mayor's. In the mayor's office, the mayoral post, he seems to have dropped the mask. First thing was he went to a mosque with a very controversial imam, which is the last thing he did before he got elected mayor, too. I got my eye on this guy and I'm sorry to say I think he's going to make your point rather clear for your friend very soon. All right. Kerry Preston. I sent you. Thank you. Got it. Good evening, Megan. It's wonderful to meet you. Oh, it's so nice to see you. This comment is actually more for Congresswoman Green. I am one of her constituents. I live in Paulden county, and I.

[Rich Lowry]

Am here to beg her.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Beg her.

[Rich Lowry]

Do not cave to the Democrats on health insurance.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Okay. My son works.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Sorry.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

My son works for the Department of War and he has not been paid. And even he says, do not cave to the Democrats, no matter what. We're going to talk about it. Thank you for teeing up for me.

[Adam Carolla]

Hi, Megan. I'm Brooks. I've been watching you since I was 16 on the Kelly file, and now I'm 25.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, wow. Oh, wow.

[Adam Carolla]

My question is, we just had this moment of unity among conservatives with the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and then we.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Get to the election.

[Adam Carolla]

Such a short window of time. How do we screw that up?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, God. Smarter people than yours truly are going to be answering that for us in about a minute. Right. We've got Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. cook. I'm really looking forward to their analysis on it. And I'll ask mtg, too. There's no question we're seeing a Trump backlash. I mean, there's just like, what has changed from last November to this one? The biggest thing is Republicans are in power, and in some places, but quite a few of them, we're seeing a backlash. And what exactly is it that that they're backlashing? To ask a different person, you'll get a different answer. My own belief is that President Trump, while he's accomplished a number of amazing things, has not been laser focused on the economy. And that's the number one issue. And they're feeling it. Thank you. Hi, Megan. My name is Jenna. My daughter says that we are best friends. You just don't know it yet. I love that I am basically a brunette, less attractive version of you, and so we need to be friends. I am also a Burnett. My question is, my daughter is here with me today, and she's 25, and we're a little at odds for the first time in our lives because I've raised three adult, wonderful conservative children over the Israel issue. So I'm wondering how you think we should be navigating that with the younger generation. That's such a good question. You're not alone. You know, it's so upsetting to me that this thing is dividing the conservative movement right now. You know that our team is splitting in two over this issue because we need our team to be unified. You know, we have some truly demonic people on the other side that truly want us dead. So our side needs to stand together. My own take on it is, whatever your views on Israel, you should not let it divide us as Americans. Like, we have to prioritize our country and we have to have each other's back when it comes to fighting the lunatic left that wants us dead. So that's number one. But I think there's room for good faith disagreements on this issue. You know, the younger generation, I assume she's more opposed to Israel or having questions about Israel because there are literally no young people left who are backing Israel. I mean, it's truly. It's like you look at the polls, there are none. And the older generation tends to understand Israel's importance as a strategic ally in the Middle East. So I think just room for grace, because as this conflict has gone on for two years, there are a lot of people who have started to have questions about Israel's behavior. And I think even for those of us who are questioning it now, it'll dissipate once Israel's off the front pages and we're focused more on our own issues here in America. And I think maybe not talking about it every day, all day will help you too and will help all of us too. It's my thought. Hi there.

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, Megan, how are you?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Great.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm Vernon Jones. Obviously, I'm here from the.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Hi there.

[Adam Carolla]

I just want you to know I believe that you're as solid as Stone Mountain. We love you.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I know Stone Mountain. I've been there. I love it.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I just want you to know that your message of faith based hard work, getting a good education, that resonates in many communities. Not just the white community, black community, brown community, every community. But the liberal media want to silence you. And I just ask of you, don't back down, don't back off, and don't back away.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Fight. Fight. Fight.

[Adam Carolla]

Fight, fight, fight.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Right on, Vernon.

[Adam Carolla]

And so I appreciate it. And I'm here. I'm one of those. Not only lost a friend, I lost a relative, I lost colleagues. But it doesn't matter. One courageous man in the crowd is the majority or one courageous person in the crowd's majority. So I just want to ask you, will you continue to carry that message and bring more like me and others who feel the way you feel on your show so we can resonate throughout, not only our community, but throughout the state of Georgia, in this country, 100%.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I absolutely will. And isn't it great to be together? Isn't it great to know that even though these people have ostracized you, look at all your fellow communities, community members who love you and feel as you do. You're not alone. It's only the liberal media and the haters who want you to think that so they can guilt you into over joining the other side. Don't do it. There are millions. We're in the majority right now. We are in the majority in this country. Hello. Go ahead. Hi.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Hi, Megan. I'm Erica from the Palmetto State, South Carolina.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Very nice.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Your interviews are phenomenal. I love watching them. And I'm just wondering, is there anybody.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Your team hasn't been able to get.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

In that seat to interview? Is there someone on your bucket that either you're excited about or someone you just want to sink your nails into? Like who?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Who do you want to get a hold of? Megan? Yes, there is 100% a person. And she just produced a TV special that goes by with love, Meghan. Yes, I think we can put it on pay per view and I could probably pay off the national debt. Am I wrong? All right, we'll take one more and then we got to wrap it up.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Hi, I have a question and then a follow up question.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You got one.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

My question is from 0 to 100%.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

If you were to die tonight, do.

[Rich Lowry]

You know that you would go to heaven?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, wow. I like to think I would. I've been thinking about it a lot over the past couple years. Not. Not just since Charlie died, but before that because I had on Father Mike Schmitz on the show and he talked to me about how getting to heaven may not be as easy as we'd like to think. You know, I used to think if you're just a good person, you'll go. I think the truth is if you are a person of faith, if you believe in Jesus, you're going. But he did talk about how you actually do need to live the faith. You actually do need to focus on doing good deeds and trying to minimize the sin in your life. And when you sin. Cause we are all sinners, making sure you get in there and make it clean with God, however you need to do it. In my church and the Catholic Church, you gotta go in, you gotta face up to the priest and you gotta say all the bad shit you did. It's very awkward, but thank God for the evangelicals. And Protestants, they don't have to do that, which is reason enough to join those denominations. But get right with God and do the good deeds and above all truly, and I think many people have been having this feeling since Charlie, Welcome Jesus into your life. And if you're not feeling it, read up, go to church, be open to it and ask God for a message that speaks to you because he will deliver. Thank you. Thank you all so much. All right, we're going to get the show started because that's what you're here for. I mentioned the sizzle reels by Jake Whitman and it's so funny because going through like some of the highlights of the shows with the people who come on often have had us in stitches all along. And we were laughing. Coming up with one for Charlie and Rich because they're not stand up comedians, right? These guys are like policy wonks who can talk about anything. And I said to Jake, just get Charlie talking about anything. Regarding Kamala Harris, that's not exactly how it landed, but I think you're going to enjoy this. Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. cook of National Review Check it out. More people today are looking beyond the standard approach when it comes to their health, especially in the fight against cancer. Two medications you've probably heard about, Ivermectin and mebendazole, are being researched for their off label potential to support cancer treatment. Studies suggest they may help inhibit cancer cell growth and make certain therapies more effective. All Family Pharmacy makes access to these trusted medications simple. Every order is reviewed by a licensed doctor for safety and prescriptions are provided when appropriate. It's a pharmacy that believes you should have the right to choose what's best for your health and not be limited by politics or big corporations. All Family Pharmacy offers ivermectin, mebendazole and over 200 other essential medications, all shipped straight to your door. You want to check with your doctor, of course. Visit AllFamilyPharmacy.com Megan and use code Megan10 to save 10% on your order. That's AllFamilyPharmacy.com megan to learn more.

[Adam Carolla]

Please.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Give a warm welcome to one of.

[John Rich]

The rising stars of the conservative movement.

[Adam Carolla]

Rich Lowry from Washington, the McLaughlin Group.

[John Rich]

What do you think of that?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Rich Lowry with all due respect, Eleanor.

[Rich Lowry]

You'Re talking out of both sides of your mouth having an operation. No serious health care economists would say Medicare is efficient.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Rich Lowry is a busy man.

[Rich Lowry]

You've seen others try to frontly confront Trump and not having it work is.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It just me or is that term. I don't like that term. Frontally confront. It just takes me places. I don't want a picture.

[Rich Lowry]

I would never make an inappropriate reference like that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, I know, right? I know. Never, never.

[Rich Lowry]

Tim Wall to portray himself as this great champion of freedom reminded me Bill Buckley had this old line that liberals don't care what you do so long as it's mandatory. And that's how Tim Walls does.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

There is breaking news.

[Rich Lowry]

I want to weep for my country. What a sense of the moment to know that what that moment called for was string.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

One of the things that I like about National Review is that we weren't just there to go off to the left, but we were also there to police our own side. And I've tried to keep that up.

[Adam Carolla]

It's hard for Barack and I to.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Just be in the world unobserved.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

She just seems wildly ungrateful that she has lived this extraordinary American life. The Democratic Party is crazy and they have adopted crazy positions that people, when they learn about them, just recoil from standby.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Fox News just called Pennsylvania for Trump.

[John Rich]

Whoa.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Holy cow, you guys.

[Rich Lowry]

He's the next President of the United States.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Look what happened is this crazy.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. cook, everybody. Woo.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Very glad.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Thanks for coming, guys. Don't you love the fire? Love the fire. You don't get to walk out to fire every day. So it's amazing because that clip ended with us on set on my show the night Trump was elected, which was almost exactly a year ago. And now we have some very different news on elections. What happened?

[Rich Lowry]

Yeah. So first of all, point of personal privilege. Some people who looked quickly through the agenda tonight might have gotten the idea that Rich was singing songs. That's not me. Just to be clear, that's the other Rich. Well, I think Megan, on that night when you were drinking champagne out of joy and Charlie is drinking champagne on principle, if you'd asked us, okay, does this mean Republicans are going to lose Virginia and New Jersey? Of course, of course. If you win the White House, you always lose those off year elections. So that wasn't surprising. The margins are a little concerning though. And what happened? I think initially we all talked about the vibe shift. There has been a vibe shift. And part of it there wasn't instant protest. The Democrats were on their back foot. They didn't seem energized. The party's image is still in the toilet. But they've shown once again they fear and loathe the President so much their people are showing up no matter what. And this wasn't a matter of other Republicans not turning out the Trump vote. Jason Mayoris, who unbelievably and stunningly lost to Jay Jones, the guy who muses about murdering Republicans. He matched Youngkin's vote total. When Youngkin won, the governorship race was enough. Citirelli did better in New Jersey than he did for four years earlier when he got surprisingly close to Phil Murphy and got wiped out by double digits. So a Democratic wave is coming, I fear, one way or the other next year.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

What is it in response to Charlie? Do we know? Like, is it the economy? What would you guess it is?

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah, I think it's the economy. I think that those elections tend to go the other way, always. I think that the shutdown, especially in Virginia, hurt the candidates there. I think that Republicans haven't done a particularly good job in explaining the shutdown. I mean, the Republican position on this is actually very.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You don't think the sombrero meme got it done?

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Well, actually, I love the sombrero meme. As you know, I did think that was very funny. But the Republicans have a much better argument, which is we have agreed to the status quo. They're not asking for anything. There's no extortion there. They said we'll continue as we are and then we can debate once the government's open. But they haven't stuck to that line particularly well, and I wonder if that's hurt.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So now we have Trump talking about the nuclear option, getting rid of the filibuster. Have you guys been hearing about this? Trump wants to do it. He says Trump wants them to get rid of it once and for all so that, you know, minority rights in the Senate would be severely compromised, not gone. I mean, you still have to get a 51% majority to get legislation through, but we no longer would have to have 60 votes to get a vote on the legislation. This has been bandied about for quite some time now. I know you're against it. There's no way you're in favor of this. You're a strict constitutionalist. But this wasn't in the Constitution. This came about like in the 1800s, and it didn't really become standard practice until the early 1900s, this 60 vote thing. And the argument by Trump and others is if we don't do it now, The Democrats are 100% going to do it just as soon as they get back and power and pass all their stuff with just a 51 majority. So why not?

[Rich Lowry]

Yeah, I think this would be A mistake One, the shutdown is going to end, I think probably within the next week or two. Democrats really climbed down. The initial demand was extend these Obamacare subsidies forever. Now let's extend them for one year. I think there will be a deal around. We'll guarantee you there will be a vote on the Obamacare subsidies. A vote that may or may not happen. But otherwise, what, what big things does Trump want legislatively? What he really wanted was the one big beautiful bill, and he got it. Most of the other stuff that he wants to do, he can do unilaterally. Right. Whether it's tariffs or blowing up drug boats off the coast of Venezuela. And there you go, we're in the.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

South now.

[Rich Lowry]

So even Republicans eliminate it and still lose the House next year, which means it doesn't matter what the vote threshold is in the Senate. And then God forbid, if you get unified control by Democrats in 2028, you've taken out the one check to them, adding D.C. as a state packing the Supreme Court. And yes, the left will be desperate to eliminate the filibuster, but it doesn't mean they'll be able to do it. There are, you know, there are probably about 10 Democrats who think this is a bad idea and don't want to do it in the Senate. So I just think that the upside is very small. As a practical matter, the downside could be huge. And then there's a deeper argument about how our government should work that maybe Charlie can take on.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It's supposed to be the. What is it like on the Tea Cup? It's supposed to be like the saucer or whatever. I don't remember the analogy. But the Senate is supposed to be the more somber body where things are supposed to be really hard to get through because they have six years in office and they don't really have to respond to the consensus constituents right away. And if we're kind of taking that away, if we change it.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah. And also the practical point is that anything that the Republicans did now with an abolished filibuster, the Democrats can reverse. So there's a lot of things I would like to see. For example, you do election integrity, and then in three years time, it gets reversed the other way. And they say, actually you're not allowed voter id. And then you've set that precedent. But to me, the biggest reason not to do it is the Constitution is supposed to allow a lot of room for the states. Now we're in Georgia. I think Georgia is a very well run state. I think Georgia is a Much better run state than, say, California.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Exactly right. Except that the guy who runs California right now, everyone's favorite, Gavin Newsom, wants to be president. So let's assume Gavin Newsom becomes president and then everyone's other favorite, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, becomes a senator. What they want to do more than anything is essentially litigate Georgia out of existence with federal law. And one of the things that stops that, having lost a lot of the constitutional protections in the New Deal is the filibuster. The filibuster has proven very good at preventing the federal government from taking too much power. I know it's done it anyway, but too much power that you would really, really notice. And I don't want to lose that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Here's what I worry about. Let's say they did it. They don't have the votes right now. The Republicans don't have the votes, but let's say they did it, like, soon. And Trump started pushing through legislation, boom, boom, boom. There is no chance there wouldn't be a bloodbath in the midterms. I mean, Americans tend to like divided government. They don't want any one branch or one party to have too much power. And I think the Republicans would definitely lose the House and the Senate if they pushed it through. And so it'd be a very short joyride for not that much return. And, I mean, the loss of the Senate seats could go dangerously high. People are going to want to send a message that they do like minority rights. So I just think it's. You're playing with fire. So I'm not in favor of it personally. Not yet. I haven't seen a case. Okay, let's keep going because there's more to talk about. One question I forgot to ask you on the elections. One of the problems that the Republicans seem to have is they can't win without Trump. And, you know, Trump remade the party in his image, and people will get off of their couch to go vote for Trump. He got the low propensity voters to get up and do something they didn't usually do, which is vote for him. And when Big Daddy's not on the ticket, people are like, those people are boring, and I don't have any connection to them. So how do they solve for that in the next year?

[Rich Lowry]

They don't. This is a huge problem. And. And Trump posted on Truth Social immediately, I wasn't on the ballot. And that's why we lost. And that's a huge.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And he loves that element. Unfortunately, he enjoys that.

[Rich Lowry]

But the problem is, unless he's going to be run for, you know, Senate from Florida, whatever it is, he's not going to be on a ballot ever again. So this is a huge issue, and it came up in the 2024 campaign. There's something he said that I didn't think was that great. I was talking to some shrewd political observer, and I was like, I don't know how this is going to affect fence sitters. And this guy said, rich, there are no fence sitters. What there are are couch sitters. Right. This is a young guy who is playing video games all day long on his couch, probably has a bong on the coffee table and maybe an only Fans account. And that's the guy that Trump has to turn out. It's like, oh, hell. But you know what? You know who helped turn him out? It's Charlie Kirk. Right. And Charlie had a deeper mission, by the way, to save that guy. Right. And to show him that there's a higher purpose to life than just doing that. Getting married, having faith in God. But who else can reach and motivate that kind of young man? I'm not sure who it is. So this is a huge issue for the party going forward.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

We need better candidates. All right. I want to keep going. Supreme Court got a question last night, and it was a good one, about whether Republicans need to worry about being in an RBG situation with our own aging conservatives on the court, in particular, Alito and Thomas. And, you know, you say to, like, true conservatives, what do you think about kind of nudging Alito and Thomas out? And you get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach like, no, but much rather have Trump replace them than a Kamala Harris or President Ocasio Cortez or Newsom. My God, my stomach just turned again. So what are your thoughts on the Supreme Court in the seats?

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah, I worry about this. I mean, I think Clarence Thomas is one of the greatest Americans in the history of the United States.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yes.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

And, and I also understand if Clarence Thomas doesn't want to voluntarily give up his role, given what they did to him when he was getting it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

I also think to replace Clarence Thomas with a Katanji Brown Jackson or a Sonia Sotomayor would be a disaster. And this is one of the things, if you look at the first Trump election, that swayed a lot of people. Justice Scalia died, and they looked at who Barack Obama had put on the court before, and they said, absolutely not. So I don't want to see that. But at the same time, the idea of telling the guy, you need to retire now is obviously grotesque. Maybe he will sense this himself. I do think there's a greater chance Republicans will lose the Senate now than I did before the elections this week. So I hope it doesn't happen.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It's terrifying. So what do you think? I mean, do you think if, you know, people around Thomas and maybe even Alito should be saying, better now than later, Clarence.

[Rich Lowry]

It was such a scarring experience for him, that confirmation battle. But by the way, these kind of confirmation battles are sort of a good thing because insurers, once someone's through that, they are not bending a knee ever, Right. And never will. But the more. The more he hears from outsiders that he should retire, I think the less inclined he would be to do it. But we can't have the RBG thing, which is so perverse for their side, because she was clearly failing. Right. They were in danger of losing the presidency. And the whole left was like, you go, girl. Stay there until you're age 105. And then she unfortunately passes away. Now what?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Right.

[Rich Lowry]

So we don't want to do that to ourselves.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

No. I was covering the high court many times, and she was there. And Alito had just been elevated to the bench, and as the new guy, he was seated next to RBG for a while. And she was falling asleep in the middle of the. It was very Joe Bidenesque in the middle of the arguments. And you could see Alito, like, what do I do? Do I nudge her? Like, I'm the new guy? I'm not sure I'm allowed to nudge her. And she stayed too long, you know, like, so many of them. Like Nancy Pelosi, who finally appears to be ready to hang up her congressional hat at age 85. But as you guys pointed out in National Review, the person we appear to be getting instead of Pelosi is a complete and total lunatic. His name is Scott Wiener. And just as bad as he sounds, he's worse than that.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah, I mean, lunatic is one word, creep is another. And look, I have lots of friends who disagree with me on politics. I think it's important to know people who disagree with us on politics. But this guy's politics are really weird. He has pushed through in California a whole bunch of bills to do with changing the crimes that people are charged with if they commit sex crimes with minors. This is his obsession. This is his obsession. If you were to sort of put up on a pedestal the worst side of the Democratic Party, the weirdest side of the Democratic Party. It's this guy. So actually, we might look back fondly on Nancy Pelosi and her hedge fund trading. That's a great moment.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Think of how radical you have to be in order to make Nancy look good. Let me show you. I pulled a little sound bite of him because most people don't know him. I don't know if you guys remember early in the show, we used to have Brit Mayer and Carrie Prejean come on together, like the most beautiful and attractive panel known to man. They're both former beauty queens and also very smart. And they're Californians. And this guy was right in their crosshairs as mama warriors because he's very, very pro transing your child. And they would follow him around with their iPhones, like, Representative Weiner, what are you doing? Why are you doing this? And he's just an aggressive bad guy, in my opinion. But here's just a little taste of what he sounds like at Sat 1.

[Adam Carolla]

What SB107 says is that if you.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Have a family, parents and children that are in a state like Texas and they feel unsafe because they feel like.

[John Rich]

They'Re going to be criminalized and attacked.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And they need to leave that state, they can come to California and we will protect them.

[Adam Carolla]

That we will do everything in our.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Power not to send them back to Texas or Alabama or any of these other states for criminal prosecution, that we're.

[Adam Carolla]

Not going to honor subpoenas from those.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

States for medical records. And that these parents can be. And these kids, these families can be safe here. But the opponents who are trying to attack trans kids, trying to drive them to suicide, pretend they don't exist, and then criminalize the parents who are supporting their trans kids. These opponents are lying about the bill and claiming that it somehow undermines parental rights. It's the exact opposite. Supports parents. Every single piece of legislation, every other one, is about trans kids. And by the way, you heard the lies in there, right? Like the trans kids who are just going to commit suicide unless they come to California, where he's creating a haven, a safe haven for them. Like, he follows all the tropes that have been pushed even at the Supreme Court, falsely. And I do think this guy is a dangerous dude.

[Rich Lowry]

Yeah. This idea of a sanctuary, you're encouraging runaways from the rest of the country, these troubled kids. So I think this is a key prism through which you can understand the last 20 years of cultural politics in America. Right. They thought they could just add letters to the amalgamation of letters and always, inevitably win so lgb, they won on that. Right. They're not going to bother you. They're going to get married. It's not going to be a problem. It's kind of a libertarian argument. They added Q and no one had a problem with Q because no one knows what Q is. Right.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Literally. No.

[Rich Lowry]

The whole point of being Q, I think, is that you don't know what you are. So that was fine, but then it was the T. And they thought T is inevitable. The next great moral struggle and civil rights struggle over time. But the, the insanity and imposition that have come with the letter T have caused a backlash not just among everyone in this room, but 70, 80% of the American public. And we're winning. This issue. Not just transports and the medical procedures, but fewer young people are embracing non traditional sexual identities. And that's the core issue because all.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Of you found your voice and started talking about it.

[Rich Lowry]

Yeah. This is an infernal trend. And you know, women, especially young girls, are very suggestible. Jonathan Haidt, the great social scientist, points out, if you have a group of friends who are girls and one of them gets anxious and depressed, all of them tend to get anxious and depressed. Now guys, if one of their guy friends gets anxious or depressed, they don't care. But the girls are very suggestible. So what we've done, we've encouraged this identity and then you encourage it on one marginal person, and then it spread, spreads among everyone else. That is finally being reversed. But we won't win a final victory until we crush guys like that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Absolutely right. All right, let's end it on a nice note. Charles, how many years have you been an American citizen now?

[Charles C.W. Cook]

I became an American citizen in 2018. So that's seven. Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And I love the story of how you realized that you loved America, wanted to live in America and needed to move here asap. Can you talk about that?

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Well, which one is it? I have so many stories. I was three when I first realized.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Well, you were over at Oxford and you were reading about the founders.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Oh, yes. Well, that was. Yeah. So I studied American history in college because I found it more interesting than my own history. But it is, it is. If you look at those ideas and you look at those people and you look at the story of your revolution is extraordinarily inspiring. I mean, these are great ideas. These are ideas you don't find anywhere else. And once you've looked at them and once you've embraced them, everywhere else seems quite boring, to be honest with you.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And so you decided you too. Wanted to be a revolutionary.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah, I wanted to be a revolutionary. I mean, I didn't tell the immigration services that because I think it would have sounded pretty bad on my application. But I wanted to embrace the existing revolutionaries, put it that way.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And how did you wind up in the South?

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah, well, my wife and I, we. We lived in New York and then in Connecticut, and when we were having our second child, we started looking around for houses that could fit the growing family, and that just wasn't an option. And then we looked down in. Am I allowed to say Florida? In Georgia? We're great rivals, aren't we?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Georgia was full. That's the only reason we looked down.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

In Florida and we moved down. We'd never look back. Best decision we ever made.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Awesome, guys. I love you so much. Thanks so much for all you do for the show. Love your smart, sound analysis and your great senses of humor.

[Rich Lowry]

Thank you, Megan.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, we appreciate it. Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. cook, everybody. Aren't they so great? Honestly, when news breaks, it's literally nobody I'd rather hear from than those two. Medicare's annual enrollment period is here. And let's be honest, it's more confusing than ever. Out of pocket costs going up for a lot of seniors and over a million people are on plans that are simply going away in January. It might be tempting to ignore the flood of Medicare ads and mailers, but doing nothing could mean that come next year, the doctors you trust and the prescriptions you count on are no longer covered. This is why you need to know about Chapter. CHAPTER is the only Medicare advisor group who search every single plan nationwide and they will recommend what's truly best for you. In fact, they've saved people an average of eleven hundred dollars a year. They're fast and their help is completely free. In under 20 minutes, they will tell you if you're already in the right plan for you or help you find one that actually works for your needs. So don't wait. Call Chapter now at 27 Medicare. That's 27 Medicare. And get the peace of mind you deserve. Our next guest is so popular here in Georgia that she got several questions when she wasn't even standing on the stage. I don't think Marjorie Taylor Greene needs much of an introduction here, but I think. Remember how John McCain used to call himself Maverick? I think she's a true maverick. Hugely popular, self made, comes from a family that worked construction. All she wanted to do is actually help American citizens in her hometown. She's exactly the idea that the founders had when they thought about citizen congressmen and women to go to Congress and actually do something. She doesn't spend her time in Washington, D.C. she's not at all the Georgia Georgetown cocktail parties. She's down here at the Georgia cocktail parties where she belongs. And she does not care whom she offends, what party line she bucks. She cares about you guys watch this.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

If you had all the death threats I have, you can understand why I do that way sometimes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, you do?

[Adam Carolla]

I get them from both sides.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, yeah, Me too. Lately.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Lately. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah. People say you are Trump in high heels.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Why don't you fuck off?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

How about that?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I think our government deserves it. Here you are without your mask, and everyone else was forced to stay home. You belong in prison. This whole city sucks. And I say, enough. I mean, I want to say the F word.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You can on this podcast.

[Rich Lowry]

I did.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I was like, fuck it. I'm running for Congress. The first reaction is, Marjorie's crazy. Marjorie's extreme. And then they find out, oh, maybe she's not crazy. Let me tell you what AO has never done. She's never created one job. Are your feelings hurt?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Her words down. Aww. Oh. Oh, girl. Baby girl.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, really?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I'm dying to ask you about Jasmine Crockett.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, boy. I think your fake eyelashes are messing up total explosion.

[John Rich]

These blonde, bad built, butch bodies.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

She's nasty, too.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

She's as fake as her eyelashes. She's as fake as her hair.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a reporting that President Trump called. What's going on with Marjorie?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

He knows how to call me, and he can ask me himself. I got elected on my own. I didn't get elected with a Trump endorsement. I'm not afraid to name names. I will walk in that capitol on the House floor, and I'll say every damn name that abused these women.

[Adam Carolla]

He's gonna get mad at you for saying that thing about the Epstein file.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I'm a mom. I'm gonna be 1000% fighting for them over any politician in any party.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So cool.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Absolutely.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

There's no cooler congresswoman than you. Thank you.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

My mom's out there somewhere, and she's probably like, golly, that was a lot of cuss words. Sorry, mom.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Same. My mom feels the same. It's not her favorite part of the show. All right, so the View. Why on earth would you go into that snake pit?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

They invited me. Seriously. So this is interesting. There's a group of hardcore America first people like me that are blacklisted on Fox News. They fired Tucker Carlson and Pretty much. Ever since that Tucker used to have me on when he was on Fox News. And ever since then, I'm pretty much blacklisted. They'll talk about me on Fox News. They'll show videos of me and things that I said, but they never have me on. So I've done mostly conservative podcasts and so forth, did your show, which is amazing. I do Tucker's show, Steve Bannon, different shows like that. But they actually invited. And I thought to myself, you know what? I definitely would like to talk to them and talk to their audience. And so I decided that our country is so toxic, politically toxic, and it really bothers me because ever since Charlie was assassinated, I'm concerned of where that's going, especially for our kids generation and on. And I'm a Christian and I pray the Lord's Prayer every day. And here lately, I've been thinking a lot about Charlie Kirk and what Erica said. She forgave the man that killed her husband, which is unbelievable. But I started. I've been thinking a lot about how we say, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And we can say those words, but if we're not willing to live them in action, then we're not doing what we're supposed to do. So I've kind of changed my outlook. Thank you. And so I went on and I decided I would like to have a nice conversation with these women, share my views with them and their audience, and try to put those words into action.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Okay, here's my question for you, though, because it's no accident they invited you on now because you've been saying some things critical of Speaker Johnson, had some criticism of Trump, critical on the Epstein files, as you saw there. And it did remind me a little bit of what Roger Ailes once told me.

[Rich Lowry]

Me.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He said, when the left wing blogs start praising you, that's when you have to worry. So do your constituents need to worry that you're moderating over to the left side?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

No, there's. That's impossible, everybody. No, here's here. Here's where I'm at. I'm so America First. First, I'm America only.

[Rich Lowry]

Yep.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

And, Megan, to be honest with you, I campaigned all over the country for five years for President Trump did that. He didn't ask me to. I did it on my own. Love the man. Spent millions of dollars. I don't even know how many rallies I've been to. I totally lost count. Went to so many states, I can't even remember how many I went to. I want our agenda passed into law. That's what I want. And I am very upset as a member of Congress that we are not passing our bills that are the agenda that the people voted for.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

How.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

How can you not. Our executive orders, his executive orders. We all have bills that reflect them.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I mean, you could get them through the House potentially, but you're not going to get them through the Senate unless they get rid of that filibuster.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, it doesn't matter though. Here's the thing. I serve in the House. We should get our job done. It's not about we should get our job done and then let the Senate do their job. And as a member of Congress, I believe in transparency for all the people here. They need to see our voting records and they need to see these out you got. You were just showing Scott Wiener. I have a bill called Protect Children's Innocence act that makes it a felony to perform gender affirming care on any minor. Makes it a felony.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Great.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

That bill needs a vote. That bill needs a vote.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And honestly, Californians, you need to defeat the Wiener. You have to do it. You may love it. It's gotta go.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I agree.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He's super dangerous. I want to show you.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

That's the only one we'll cut off.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I wanted to show you one thing. I know, you know how ridiculous and awful the left can be. You definitely know this. But Sunny Hostin, you know, she has you on over there. She is Sunny. Hostile. She really is. As soon as you leave and you did them a favor, you spike their ratings. You let them sort of telegraph to the United States that, okay, we'd entertain a conservative here. And no sooner had you left than she went out there and started ripping on her. Here's a little bit of what that sounded like. I don't think she's changed. I did ask her, are we seeing an evolution? And she specifically, I think responded, no, I'm the same person. So, you know, she's a big age. She's in her 50s. And so I think at a big age, in my experience, people don't change, but they may behave differently to because they want something. And I think she, she aspires to hire office. Perhaps it's the Senate, perhaps it's even the presidency. I don't know. But I don't know that we saw a different Marjorie Taylor Greene. I thought that we, you know, saw just someone behaving differently. Well, I will behaving differently. So she questions your sincerity. You're after something. So you're acting right.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I've been dealing with this for weeks. So here's the only thing that I know to be true. The only person I can control is myself. I can't affect anyone else's words or opinions of me, but I very much know who I am as a person. She's right. I am at a big age. I am. And when you get to be in your 50s, you know who you are.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I call them your fucking 50s.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

This is who I am.

[John Rich]

That's right.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Exactly. And here's the deal. I ran for Congress in 2020, extremely angry at Democrats and Republicans. And I was mad at Republicans because they never follow through and put into action the things they promise. And I'm sick of it. I really am. And so for me, this is our one time opportunity. Megan. We got this one shot and I feel like our majority is being ruined. I really do.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

By what exactly?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Inaction. I voted to fund the government on September 18th. And then guess what? We haven't been to work since.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

But whose fault is that?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Mike Johnson's.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Why?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

He's told us not to come back. He's keeping the House out of session. All the American people are working every single day.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Chuck Schumer, you don't think it's related to the shutdown?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Schumer's in the Senate, everybody. Mike Johnson is in the House. He's a Speaker of the House, and he can bring us into session where we can be passing our bills. We can have our committees at work. We can be working on getting rid of Obamacare and saving the health insurance crisis that we have.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Let me ask you about that. Let me ask about that, because some people have said, okay, it sounds great. Get rid of Obamacare. Most people hate it, but have you proposed anything specifically to replace it?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

So here, let's talk about Obamacare. It was passed in 2010, and then it went into effect in 2014. 2014, my family's health insurance policy went from $800 a month to over $2,400 a month. Destroyed our health insurance, destroyed the industry. Many, many companies went out of the market. There hasn't been competition in the market since. And then we saw in 2021, the Democrats passed the ACA tax credits. What did that do? That has skyrocketed costs and they expire this year. The Democrats did that. Everyone needs to understand that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

They basically artificially lowered the cost of Obamacare. Okay, hold on over there. We can't hear you. I'm doing this interview. They lowered the cost of Obamacare with these Subsidies to try to make you think it's less expensive than it is. And those are about to expire.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

They pay the insurance companies directly. So the tax credits, they don't go to the people, they go directly to the insurance companies.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

But you see, Trump today was suggesting we should change that and that he should give the money directly to the people and not to the insurance companies.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I think we have to do more. I think we have specifically. Well, we need to build the off ramp off of Obamacare and off of the tax.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

We need a new health care plan entirely. We need. Do we need Trump care?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

What do we need to empower hsa? We need to empower associations where groups can join together and get lower costs. Companies like Costco, Amazon, they could mass sell health insurance plans and that would lower the cost PBMs. We've got to cut out the middleman. And we really need price transparency, people. You need to know how much it costs when you go to the hospital for a surgery, when you. Any procedure you have, you shouldn't go in and have that and then have bills just keep coming for months and months.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

They're with you on that.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

We need competition.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So what about Epstein? What's going on? Because the left, if you tune in to CNN or MSNBC any day right now, they think the whole government shut down on the Republicans side is because they don't want to do any work, because they don't want to have any votes on Epstein.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

What do you think?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I tell you what, I've. I've started to question, is this why we're not in session?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Really?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yeah. This is that the discharge petition is sitting there.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Explain that.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

So everyone, for how many years now, how many, all of us have been calling to release Epsom files. And Thomas Massie entered a resolution to release. Yeah. And I'm a co sponsor. I want to release the Epstein files. And it's been blocked over and over, unfortunately. And so there's a discharge petition. So just so you know, as a member of Congress, I cannot force my bills to the floor for a vote, only the speaker can decide to bring a bill to the floor for a vote. And so when the speaker is refusing to bring a bill forward, if 218 members of Congress get together and all sign a discharge petition and we put our name on there, it overrides the speaker and it's forced to the floor for a vote. So right now there's 217 signatures. And there is one.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Mostly Dems.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yeah, mostly Dems. There's only. There's Only four Republicans. Thomas Massie, myself, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boebert. We're the only Republicans on the discharge petition.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Why are they so averse to it?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, there's a lot of information that's coming out of our oversight investigation. I also serve on the Oversight committee, so I'm involved in that investigation. And there were. There was a batch of emails released just recently that showed that Jeffrey Epstein worked closely with Israel on different military contracts, their intel agencies, Mossad and so forth.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I've been reliably told you're anti Semitic if you say that.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yeah, that's like the thing. But MAGA cannot override maga. And I can criticize any foreign country that I want to because I'm an American and I have free speech.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Miga being make Israel great again.

[Rich Lowry]

Yes.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

And it's not anti Semitic to criticize a government. It's not. And it's not anti Semitic to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and his ties with any foreign country, whether it was Israel or the UK or the United States. That's not anti Semitic. And it's not hating on anyone. I certainly don't hate anyone. But I definitely am concerned about any country's foreign country's influence on our own, especially when it comes to members of Congress.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You got some agreement out there. What's the number one thing you'd like to see change in the House right now? You would like to get back to work?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I want to get back to work. I want to pass the agenda that we campaigned on. I desperately want to do that. That's the only thing I want to do. Everybody's talking about. Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to do this. Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to do that. The only thing I want to do is get to work and pass the agenda that everybody voted for. And that's America first and. And the most. That is what we should be doing. No more foreign aid. No more foreign wars, no more sending your monies overseas. We need to fix our health insurance. We need to work on the cost of living. It is extremely expensive. And the most important thing we can do is continue to create a future for our children.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Now, not everybody believes that these are earnest goals. Your good friend, aoc. Oh, baby girl.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

She has a theory about why you're pushing in this way to improve people's lives with specific agenda items, whether they're good for everybody or just the right or just the left, what have you. Here it is in SOT 10. Here's some tea for you. Marjorie Taylor Greene wanted to run for Senate. She was gearing up for that statewide race. And Trump told her no. The White House and Trump land shut down Marjorie Taylor Greene's personal ambitions to run for Senate. And she has been on a revenge tour ever since. Confirm or deny?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Completely deny. So earlier this summer, I put out a very lengthy post on my own personal social media of the reasons why I do not want to run for Senate. And you're seeing it in real action today. Look at the Senate. It's an absolute, utter chaos. We can't even fund the government because of the Senate right now. And because of the filibuster, the 60 vote threshold, nothing can get passed and it's uni party control for forever. And that is, that is serious.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Are you in favor of abolishing it?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I told President Trump several months ago on a phone call that the senators, the Republicans, we have 53 seats in the Senate. 53. They can do anything they want if they abolish the filibuster. And let me tell you why. In 2022, the Democrats, they, Chuck Schumer, led them to abolish the filibuster.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

They tried to do it. You guys remember that. They tried to do it when they were in power.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

That's their Voting Rights act, which, by the way, we would have never won another election if they had passed that. The only reason they didn't get through it was Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin. Guess what? Kristen Sinema and Joe Manchin aren't there anymore, Megan. So it doesn't matter if we're like holier than thou and we don't abolish the filibuster. They're still going to do it when they get the opportunity. So I told the President several months ago, I said, president Trump, we can pass your full agenda if the Republicans in the Senate grow a spine, blow through the filibuster and we pass election reform. I have a bill that calls for a census immediately. And it only counts American citizens.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And it shouldn't be controversial, it should be done.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

And it redraws district lines all over the country with only American citizen count. You talk about doing something for America that would save our elections. There's so many bills, so many good Republicans have, and if we would blow through that filibuster, we can literally save this country. But I don't think they're going to do it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I don't think they have the votes right now.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

There's about 20 Republicans that won't do it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, and you're going to need all of them. Well, you're Going to need at least 50. And then J.D. vance could break the tie. And speaking of J.D. vance, he's America First. Would you say he's first in line for 48?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Let me tell you, I was the first member of Congress to endorse J.D. vance when he ran for Senate. I was first before Donald Trump. I endorsed him. I love JD I definitely think he's got a great shot. I hope so.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And who do you think he'd be running against?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, and the Dems.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Do you think your friend Sandy Cortez.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Maybe she might jump out there.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Could she do it? Are we underestimating her? Some people say we are.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, I. Let me tell you, I don't have a lot of respect for aoc. I mean, she. Think about it. Would anybody in this country? And I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating her. She's never accomplished anything. She was a bartender and then they made her a member of Congress. It was a big. She had a massive machine behind her. She's never been married. She doesn't have children. She's never run a company like, is that someone that belongs in the White House?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

She's good at social media.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yeah, I, I don't know who.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Who. If you had to back one, would it be AOC or Jasmine Crockett?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, my Lord.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You have to choose.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

You know what? I'm a little concerned that we might could see like Mom, Donnie, maybe.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, God. He wasn't born here. It can't be him.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, that's true.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I don't know. I don't know who it's going to be. There's going to. There's going to be a whole slew of them. Same on our side. There's going to be a ton of Democrats run. There'll be of a ton, ton of Republicans.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So why do we have these congressional Kardashians like aoc, like Jasmine Crockett? What is it about our system that keeps attracting these people who just want clicks?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I don't know. It's a. You know what it is. Let's talk about it. Like, look, maxine waters like 82 or something. It's just a perpetual paycheck.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Is it? Only she's only 82. My God, maybe she, maybe she's more. I don't know. She seems like 102 at least. Do you all see that CNN appearance she did that hit where like the wig is off, it's like crooked and she can see herself in the monitor. She's kind of moving it. You're like, oh, God, no, pat the weave. Anyway, keep going. Jasmine. Your friend Jasmine.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Jasmine. Jasmine's. She's something else.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

She your least favorite in the House.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

She. She serves on the oversight committee with me, and she serves on my Doge subcommittee.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Look, when you pass her in the hall.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Actually, I let her talk. I think she is. The more she talks, the better it is for us, let me tell you. Yes, just let her. Let her cook. Let her go.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I hear she's very good to her staff.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Oh, yeah, There's a lot of rumors about that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Tell us about the pillow.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, okay, so we were having one of our hearings, and she was demanding her staff come over, give her attention right away.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Katie Porter esque.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yeah, very. She tells them something, they go running off. A few minutes later, they come back with a pillow, but it's not a pillow like this. It is a big, square, fluffy, very nice pillow. And they tuck it behind her back for her. And I was sitting there, and I'm looking at. I'm going, what is. What am I looking at? So I took a picture of it. I actually have a picture of it. But one of the things she does is she always has one of her male staffers carrying around her giant handbag. And there's rumors that they have to fetch her dry cleaning and all kinds of stuff.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Is she only in her 30s? Why do you need the big pillow and you can't carry your own bag in your 30s?

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

I don't know. I think she's. I think she's in her 40s. Upper 40s, I think.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Okay. All right, well, she just acts like she's very, very immature.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Yeah, well, I don't know. Maybe perimenopause.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

All right, so you're saying. Not now. You're not. You're not aspiring to a higher office right now, but not ever, because I think you actually would make a great president.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, thank you, Megan. That's very sweet. Don't. That's.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I think you're doing. I don't give an f. Attitude is exactly what we need.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Well, I appreciate that. I do. But let's think about what does this look like for fundraising? I've burned down the military industrial complex. I've burned down Big Pharma. I'm burning down the health insurance companies. I mean, if I can get, like, what, how many 10 million Americans to throw in, like, a hundred bucks, maybe I have a shot.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It sounds like Trump to me. That's what it sounds like. Same model, right? No one controls you. You'll get there. Your own way. Whatever happens, you have a very bright political career ahead of you. Marjorie, thank you. Thanks for everything. Thank you for being on Straight Shooter.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

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[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

This is a real good story about Drew, a real United Airlines customer.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

After almost four years of treatments, I was finally cancer free.

[Adam Carolla]

My mom's like, where do you want.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

To go to celebrate? I'm like, like, let's go somewhere tropical.

[Adam Carolla]

And then pilot hopped on the intercom.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And started talking about me. And I was like, what is going on here?

[Adam Carolla]

My wife beat cancer too. And I wanted to celebrate his special moment.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

That's Bill, a real United pilot.

[Adam Carolla]

We brought him drinks and donuts. We all signed a card.

[John Rich]

I was smiling ear to ear.

[Adam Carolla]

Best flight ever, for sure. That's how good leads the way.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It's finally here. All right. Let's get this party started. Megyn Kelly live tour across America. I was like, we have to go. And then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go.

[Adam Carolla]

The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down. Stand firmly.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Do not waver on the truth. Next stop, White Plains, Jacksonville, Miami and Atlanta. So go get your tickets right now before they sell out. MeganKelly.com presented by Y Refi and SiriusXM. All right, so my next guest is somebody I met back when I was at Fox News and I was hosting the midday show America Live. It was around. It must have been 2012, because I think I was at the Republican National Convention backstage, and it was. I think it was 2012. Could have been 2008. Whatever. And this guy comes backstage with the handlebar mustache and the black cowboy hat, which he's never without. And I knew this guy because I was a fan of his, but I couldn't believe he was actually backstage wanting to talk to me. And from that moment forward, a beautiful friendship was born between yours truly and John Rich. He made it huge in the country music industry as part of Big and Rich. And then a couple years back said, you know what? I'm not doing the record label thing anymore. I'm not going to be controlled by a group of people that's gone woke and has rejected the traditional values that made country what it is and decided to launch an independent music label and get his music out direct to the consumers. And that has been a hit. Now John Rich is free to go on Fox News or Fox Nation or do whatever shows he wants, including yours Truly's, and say whatever he wants, which is the principle by which he lives as the son of a preacher man. Here's a little introduction, and then you will have the pleasure of hearing him not only speak, but play.

[John Rich]

If you're wondering why there's no Johnny Cash's or Waylon Jennings or Loretta Lynns, well, there's good reason for that because none of those people would have been allowed to exist. I just decided my freedom of speech was more important to me than the approval of the music industry.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Are you a conservative?

[John Rich]

Yes, I'm a conservative.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You are a lover of America, A lover of the Constitution, of course.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

A lover of President Trump.

[John Rich]

I don't think there's any downside to getting your job back or keeping more of your money.

[Adam Carolla]

My good friend John Rich of Big and Rich, he happened to win the Apprentice, but was we Won't even get into that. The winner. Week after week, it was John Rich. You're gonna make it. They said you fired to everybody but John Rich.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Right?

[John Rich]

So thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Great job.

[John Rich]

The wave of wokeism that that's hit this country and especially the entertainment business that made its way to Nashville recently, I put out a post calling out conservative country artists that have yet to come forward and support President Trump. I mean, Trump won the popular vote in a landslide victory. Every swing state went to Trump. What are you guys afraid of now? Grow a pair. If they made me CEO of Cracker Barrel, we would start doing the pledge of allegiance every morning when we opened at breakfast and we do the national anthem at lunch. I pray to God you think that's odd. I've got two kids, and I didn't want to be the dad that yells at the TV at home and then goes out in the world and plays Patty cake with this nonsense. Be the same guy all the time. I didn't want them seeing dad being a hypocrite. The thing I love the most about this country is I wake up every day. I go, as long as I'm still breathing, the game ain't over.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Literally the coolest man I know. There was a picture up there of yours truly at a John Rich concert, A big and rich concert. And that was after John gave me a beautiful Gibson guitar with my name stenciled in mother of pearl on the neck. And I almost brought that guitar here just to show you that I still have it. And it's rather unused, and I should have John tell them what happened.

[John Rich]

Okay, so first of all, how y' all doing down in Georgia tonight? Y' all feeling good? Country music territory. Yeah. So, Megan, I was trotting up onto the stage to do a sound check. I had a Gibson J45. It was the music mafia edition, covered in rhinestones. The entire thing. Brought it from Nashville. And the last step, right over there, the very end of my boot caught that last step, and I fell flat on my face. And that guitar slammed down on the stage and the headstock broke. We have a picture of my Gibson. I mean, it smashed my guitar.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Look how sad that is.

[John Rich]

It broke it in half. And I said, well, I guess I'll sing acapella tonight.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

We would have. We would have gladly taken, which I.

[John Rich]

Would have done that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, you could do that.

[John Rich]

But your crew was so good that they actually rounded up a guitar within about an hour. I had another guitar in my hands, and it's right here. And here she is. And I don't know her very well. I feel like I'm cheating.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

But thank you for pinch hitting.

[John Rich]

Yeah, absolutely. It does have some Chinese tuner keys up here, but. But it's okay. We're gonna bend this guitar's will to Americanism tonight. Yeah, we're gonna bend its will.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Do you think it was the traditional guitar, country music labels that foiled your trip up those stairs? Because I don't think they're too happy that you've managed to make it without them.

[John Rich]

Oh, man, they hate me. And I hate them too.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, it's crazy. How did country go woke?

[John Rich]

Country went woke. When Nashville started firing the original guys that built and. And ladies that built our music, and they started hiring people from California and New York. That's what happened.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

We ruined everything. Well, ruined Florida.

[John Rich]

But you're from upstate New York.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yes, actually, we're normal upstate New Yorkers. Speak sense.

[John Rich]

Well, people don't know this, but there's more white tailed deer in upstate New York than there is in Tennessee.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

No one's ever called me that before.

[John Rich]

Well, I'm glad to be. Be the first. No, they, they, they replaced people in Nashville with people from the coast, and they started to change the dynamic and the narrative of the. In the really the. The livelihood of those companies from the top down. And what happened was it not only affected the artists, but it also affected the songwriters. And I'll tell you this, songwriters, in my opinion, are the most. Some of the most powerful people in the world because they take blank sheets of paper and they can write anything they want to on that blank sheet of paper. And most of the time it means nothing. I've written over 2000 songs in my life, and most of them you'll never hear, but a few of them you will hear. If you look back at the Vietnam War, you think about even guys that are, you know, guys that I go, well, I don't agree with them at all. But I will tell you, back in the Vietnam War, they helped to shut it down. It was guys like Bob Dylan. It was guys like Creedence Clearwater Revival, John Fogarty. American songwriters that tap into the populist sentiment, can put it on a page, sing it into a microphone, and project it through radio. They shut down the Vietnam War. Powerful what that is. Today, it's a little bit different because the industry is completely overrun with whack job communists, big time. But there's a few of us still out there that will write what we think and we will not apologize when we sing it. And we'll stick it right in your face and make you deal with it. Yes, that's music. That's what it means to be an American artist. An American artist does not kowtow to the company. An American artist writes what they feel and they sing it with conviction and they make sure that you damn well hear it. Can I get a hell yeah out of Georgia one time?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Hell yeah.

[John Rich]

That's what it is.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yes. Right on. You know, you don't think about artists in music being affected by the same censorship everybody's felt. I can't say it because I'll get in trouble. I can't write it because I'll get fired. And to think that of all industries, country music, which is right at the heartland, it comes right from the beating heart of America. It's beloved mostly by conservatives who tend to vote red. That that industry could be corrupted by these people and still manage to sell any records is baffling to me. Did it hurt sales? Did the industry suffer?

[John Rich]

Well, so I can tell you, when I made the move, I lost country radio and I lost the record industry because they're conglomerates now. So when I showed up on the scene, you had all these record labels that were independent, still big companies, but independent. And then here comes Sony Universal and Warner Brothers. So between Sony Universal and Warner Brothers, 95% of all record labels are owned by those three companies and they are run by people who were woke ideologists who understand who the audience is. Oh, they get it. They know who it is. And so they sign artists that they think will speak to that audience, but they put guardrails around them and go. You can only go so far with what you're going to say. For instance, Megan, you would never hear I got a shotgun, a rifle and a four wheel drive and a country boy can survive. You're not going to hear that on country radio today. You're not going to hear I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die. No, you're not going to hear that either. You're not going to hear those kind of lyrics on country radio because country radio is owned and operated by woke liberal crazy people.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It's amazing.

[John Rich]

So it comes incumbent upon us, the ones of us that don't have contracts. I got no contract in the world with anybody. Can I get a hell yeah one time out of Georgia? Hell yeah. So it comes down to us. We got to be the ones that. That say it, that that can cut through the creases in between the pages and get our message out and let folks out here who are all feeling like they're isolated. You know, the. The main thing they've done to us, Megan, is they have made us feel like I'm the only one that's thinking that way. But then that song comes out. That song comes out and everybody says, yes, I feel like that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[John Rich]

That's when you see some unity starting to happen in our.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

What does that feel like, John? You pick up that guitar, you get your six string.

[John Rich]

It's my borrowed.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And you say, you sing, I say, and you sing all the things that they don't want you singing, and you project that message out into the world. And you know it's resonating. You know they're listening and you're touching something deep inside of them. What is that like?

[John Rich]

It's a responsibility is the way I look at it. You know, I have a high school diploma. Grew up in a double wide in Amarillo, Texas, up in the panhandle of Texas. My dad's been preaching since he was 19 years old. My dad's 73 now. And he is just nasty in the way he comes at it. I mean, he'll tell you straight up what the Bible has to say about it. That's really all you should be concerned about is what the Bible has to say about it, not what Trump or anybody else has to say about it. I support Trump, but what God has to say about it overrides him all day long. It's the way I look at it. I think it's a very important time in our country, Megan, because a lot of people are feeling that press, they're feeling that anxiety. What's going to happen next? There's a lot of bad people in our country right now. A lot. A whole bunch of them. And you wonder, when are they going to show up and what are they going to do when they do show up?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Mm.

[John Rich]

I was told about three or four days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I was told by a couple of three letter agencies called me up and they said, john, make sure you wear body armor when you go out to play any publicly promoted events. I said, me?

[Rich Lowry]

Yeah.

[John Rich]

I said, why is that? They said, because you're outspoken, because you talk about things that they hate, and they just be careful is what they basically told me, was that. So there's been a shift in the dynamics since Charlie Kirk's assassination.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Can I just say. Can I just say I'm sure you.

[John Rich]

Felt it as well.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Honestly, I know that's real. And it's something that's been like an Unspoken thing underneath the tour the whole time. But thank you for doing this. Notwithstanding the threat, of course. And thanks to you guys for being here. Notwithstanding the threat. It's balls to the wall time. Like we are all citizen soldiers right now. Even just in showing up here. It took a lot of guts because it is a highly threatening environment. And not for one second did you consider canceling. Because I know you and that's the way we fight back. We show up, we do our thing, we sing the songs, we stand tall. There's risk involved, but there's risk involved in everything. There's risk involved in driving to the airport. There's risk involved in everything we do. This risk actually matters. This risk actually drives us to something that is unifying, right? Just sitting here with each other, it's like church. All these like minded people who have the same mission generally in life. And we all have each other's backs. And you know that you don't feel isolated, you feel that unity that is like uplifting, gives you the power to do the next thing. And then on top of that you get a John Rich song. What the, what blessings are we having here tonight?

[John Rich]

You and I have been friends a long time. Would you like to hear the story of the first time I met Megyn Kelly? You want to hear that? Can I tell them?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[John Rich]

So I was watching Fox News and there's Megan Kelly and Bell Hammer. What year was that, by the way?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

2007. We launched that show and it lasted until 2009. And then I went to the afternoon.

[John Rich]

Okay. I thought it was about 0708. So I was right about that. Thank God. So Megan was up there killing it with Bill and you know, doing her thing every day. And I remember hearing you say that, yeah, Bill, I'm taking guitar lessons. And I went, oh, what, what did she just say? Oh, she wants to play a guitar, does she? And then I get a call from Fox News and they say, yeah, we'd like you to come on with Megan and Bill and talk about whatever the subject was. I said, yeah, the answer is yes. And then I immediately called Gibson Guitars and I said, hello, Gibson Guitars. I would like to have a Gibson J45 made with the name Megan M E G Y N right down the neck and Mother of Pearl, because I want to give it to her. And they said, okay, how much time do we have? I said, two weeks. They said, not sure we can do that. I said, well, you're going to have to get her done because I'm going to New York York. They said, all right, we'll get it done. We'll get it done.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It's so beautiful.

[John Rich]

So I handed you that guitar live on television. So my question is, if I handed you this guitar, could you play a G chord on it right now?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I could play a G chord, yes.

[John Rich]

Let's see if she can play a G chord.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Prefer to have the.

[John Rich]

Yes, yes. Oh, she got it. That was it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[John Rich]

I got an E. You got an E minor.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah.

[Rich Lowry]

Minor.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

There we go.

[John Rich]

You got an E minor, and you got a D. Okay. So you can play 90 of all country music if you know those three chords. A round of applause for Megan Kelly, guitar picker, Honky tonker.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Here's some happy news. While I have not been practicing my Gibson guitar in quite some time, though I did spend a lot of time practicing it when I first got it. My son, who is backstage, has picked it up. John Rich.

[John Rich]

Wonderful.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He is now practicing on the Gibson guitar.

[John Rich]

Well, I'm happy and sorry for you at the same time, because Lord knows what happens next.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Maybe you could do us the honor of showing him what that practice could turn into.

[John Rich]

I would love to.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Would you like to hear some John Rich music?

[John Rich]

I would love to do that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I'd love to hear something. Whatever you want to play. What do you want? Want to play?

[John Rich]

You want me to play?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Could you.

[John Rich]

Okay. All right. So I busted my guitar. This is the backup. Thank you. Thanks to your team for bringing me one. There are Chinese parts on this guitar, so it doesn't work as good as the American version. Can I get a hell, yeah one time?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Let's see what you can do with the Chinese version.

[John Rich]

So being that Today is the 60th anniversary of November 8, 1965, I just want to sing this song. Me and my friend Big Kenny of Big and Rich. Big and Rich, we wrote this song after we met this man in the great state of South Dakota, Deadwood, South Dakota. We went all the way back to Vietnam with him. The only thing he had from that battle was he still had the boots that were on his feet. They cut the boots off before they put him in the hospital. And somehow or another, he wound up with them. They were covered in mud, covered in blood. He was one of three that survived that day. And there's a big song in the big and rich world called the 8th of November. And so I wanted to sing this song and dedicate it to all of our veterans tonight, all of our active duty, all the boys and girls overseas in harm's way, and the 13 plus, that never came back from Afghanistan. And we know that is total horseshit. We will never get over it. We will never forgive you for that, ever. I want our veterans to know that the civilians feel your pain. We appreciate you. We appreciate you. Your sacrifice means something to us. So I'm gonna sing this song on nothing but a microphone, not my backup Chinese guitar. I'll leave that for Save a Horse, Ride a cowboy here in a minute. Said goodbye to his mama as he left South Dakota to fight for the red, white and blue he was 19 in green with a new M16 just doing what he had to do he was dropped in the jungle where the choppers would rumble with the smell of napalm in the air and then the sergeant said, look up ahead Like a dark evil cloud 1200 came down on him and 29 more. They fought for their lives, but most of them died in the 173rd Airborne on the 8th of November the Angels were crying as he carried his brothers away with the fire raining down and the hell all around There were few men left standing that day Saw the eagle fly through a clear blue sky in 1965 on the 8th of November now he's 78 and his ponytail's great but the battle still plays in his head and he limps when he walks but he's strong when he talks about the shrapnel they left in his lips he puts on a gray suit over there Bone tattoo as he ties it on one time a year and remembers the fallen as he orders a tall one and swallows it down with his tears on the 8th of November the angels were crying as he carried his blood brothers away with the fire raining down and the hell all around There were few men left standing that day Saw the eagle fly Through a clear blue sky in 1965 on 8 November said goodbye to his mama as he left South Dakota to fight for the red, white and blue he was 19 in green with a new M16 just doing what he had to do wow.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Wow. So beautiful.

[John Rich]

God bless our veterans in active duty. God bless y'.

[Rich Lowry]

All.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Amen. Wow. That was incredible. What a tribute. We gotta go because we gotta bring on Adam Carolla. But we are not letting you out of here without a little. I don't know. Anybody in the mood to save a horse, Ride a cowboy. Little song you may have heard of.

[John Rich]

You know, Megan, when I sing this song, Save a horse, Ride a cowboy. Let me play this for a minute. Make sure their sound man's got it. Does this thing even work?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It's no Gibson.

[John Rich]

You getting it out there?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, there is. There we go.

[John Rich]

I will admit I used to have a crush on Megan Kelly. Big time.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, go on.

[Rich Lowry]

Guys, guys.

[John Rich]

All the men in the crowd tonight, if you're being honest, at one point or another, did you have a. A total crush on Megan Kelly? Raise your hand. Big time in the front row.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You better watch it. My big brother's here.

[John Rich]

Give me some more guitar. I'm going to tear the strings off this Chinese sucker. You know, this might be the greatest thing the Chinese ever gave us, a guitar to sing on Megan Kelly show tonight. This is one of the dumbest songs ever written in country music, but it caused a small baby boom in the early 2000s. Can I get a Hell, yeah? Hell yeah. And it goes like this here. When I walk into the room passing out hundred dollar bills and it kills and it thrills like a horns on my Silverado grill high by the bar triple round a crown Everybody's getting down at this town it ain't never gonna be the same. Y' all sing it. Cause I saddle up my horse and I ride into the city I make a lot of noise Cause the girls they are so pretty Riding up and down by way on my old stuff lever and the girl shake Save us try to cowboy. Everybody says save us ride a cowboy yeah well I don't give a damn about nothing I'm singing and bling blingin while the girls sing it Girls long necks down and I wouldn't train old Leroy my Chevrolet for your Escalade or your freak parade I'm the only John Wayne left in this town and I saddled up my horse I rid into the city I make a lot of noise Cause the girls ain't all so pretty Be riding up and down by way of my old stubbly rod and the girl say save us trying to count for her Everybody say try to cowboy. Are you having a good time with Megan Kelly tonight?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Come on.

[John Rich]

All right, this is the audience participation part. Well, I'm a thoroughbred, that's what she said in the back of my truck. Bad as we was getting buzzed on suds out on some back country road we were flying high, finest wine, having ourselves a Megyn Kelly kind of time. I was going about as far as she let me go. Y' all get your hands up. But her evaluation of my cowboy reputation had me begging for salvation on iPhone. There you go. I took her out digging frogs Introduced her to my old bird dog. Sang every Gretchen Wilson song and take up we made Love and I saddle up my old. I ride into the city. I make a lot of noise. Cause the girls they all so pretty. Be riding up and down Broadway on my old stately rock. And the girl say save us. Try to cowboy. Everybody says save us Try to cowboy what, what, what? Samos, ride a cowboy. Come on, Georgia. Everybody sing it.

[Adam Carolla]

Samos.

[John Rich]

Put your hands together for Ms. Megyn Kelly. One time rocking the great state of Georgia.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[John Rich]

The holidays mean more travel, more shopping, more time online and more personal info.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

In more places that could expose you.

[John Rich]

More to identity theft.

[Adam Carolla]

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[John Rich]

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[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Love John. Honestly, he just a follow up to that guitar story he told you. There was one day I was sitting there in America's newsroom with Bill Hemmer, and we were doing a story about a fire that had taken over somebody's, like, whole block. And, like, it was one of those things where, like, the people had, like, two seconds to grab one thing and run. And Hemmer asked me, like, if you had two seconds to grab something at your house, one thing, and what would it be? And I said, I think it would be my John Rich Gibson guitar. And John was watching. He sent me a note immediately saying, darlin, if your house catches on fire, you just run. I'll get you another guitar. Don't worry about that. Such a good guy. Okay, we have our final act. Love you, too. This is a great show. Are you guys having fun? Tonight's is really good. Yes. My next guest may be the funniest, most entertaining person I've ever met. I love his dry, sarcastic, don't give an F sense of humor. All you have to do with Adam Carolla is really toss out any topic and then be quiet if you want to be entertained. And I will say, though we don't really love Jimmy Kimmel, there is something I love about his friendship with Jimmy Kimmel. Right. It's just kind of good to remember that you can have diametrically opposed politics with somebody and still love them and hold on to the friendship like those two have somehow managed to do all these years after starring in the man show and being on radio together. So we have a little sizzle for you for Adam Carolla, and then we will bring the man himself out to meet you.

[Adam Carolla]

You can't cancel me. I've already. I'm already canceled. I'm not fucking apologizing, any of you. And by the way, you don't accept apologies. That's what I figured out from these people. You're, like, the one person I know.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Who seems totally uninterested in what the.

[Adam Carolla]

Woke people say and totally unbothered by their attacks. There's a sort of freedom in not caring. There's a real freedom in not caring. The only thing in California that's not on fire are the homeless. That's all there is. I got you yelled at. Somebody asked me about AOC and I said, listen, if AOC was fat and in her 60s, would anyone listen to another thing she ever said? Oh, boy, we're gonna step in that one. And everyone is like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

What?

[Adam Carolla]

I do have a way to get Biden out of there. When he says, I'm running for a second term, you say, what? This is your first second. I wrote a tweet. It said Covid kills old people and it kills sick people. And the rest of you just got played. And who's getting played next time? You got to take that tweet down. I was like, can't do it. I'm talking about this hysteria. It's not going to work. It scares the shit out of the kids. Governor, why did you shut the beaches in California during COVID And you arrested a guy who was paddleboarding in the bay? Keep in mind, Newsom is a narcissistic, sociopath douchebag. All progressive guys cross their legs like women. Gavin Newsom. Watch them all. Watch them how they cross their legs. And then watch how Trump crosses his.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Leg, puts a diamond in front of his testicles.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? So there's Trump with the diamond, his diamond which accentuates his nut sack. And then you have Justin Trudeau signaling I have no ball.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

Adam Garola, everyone.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So funny.

[John Rich]

Oh.

[Adam Carolla]

Insider joke.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Take a look at how he's sitting.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Now you could get Justin Trudeau and Obama's nut sack in between these styes. It is crazy. I've been studying the deep leg cross, and it's. All progressive men do that one. Trudeau does it to expose his colorful sock.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Says a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

That's how you know he's on the right team. And then he does this. I can't. I wish I could. I can't. And I also can't scratch the back of my head because of my biceps. They're. So I actually travel with a guy in case the back of my head itches because of the guns.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I'm checking my SOT list because there was one that I wanted to kick it off with. I can't find the number but my team knows which one it is. Okay. I wanted to get Adam Carolla's reaction to Zoran Mamdani the other night. I can't find it, but my team's better than I am. He was out there the other night. He was saying thank you to everybody who put him in office. And it was like listening to somebody at the UN Translate every single speaker who was coming up next.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

It was literally everyone in New York who was foreign born and not a single American that he wanted to thank. Do we have at least find out together?

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you to those so often forgotten.

[John Rich]

By the politics of our city who made this movement their own. I speak of Yemeni bodega owners and.

[Rich Lowry]

Mexican abuelas.

[John Rich]

Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses, Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties.

[Adam Carolla]

Part of this crazy race hustle, which we all thought was sort of over, like 30 years ago. And then Obama got put into office and it got put on creatine and they ratcheted it up a problem that doesn't exist and was gone a long time ago. And it's really weird and it's sad, and it's also super irresponsible to pit cultures against each other. And then you come in as the savior who fights for all the cultures somehow, just like you fight for the LGBT and the trans and all communities. And it's really grotesque and it's super narcissistic, too. Like, especially.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Explain that. I've heard you say that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, so the plan is, first off, half the time it comes from white women who just go, like, I'm just going to swing in and rescue all your cultures and speak for all of you and all your cultures. But it's also, it's a step backwards in terms of what this nation has done and is doing and was about. I mean, this notion that we're living in Alabama, 1953, is really a pathetic notion. And it's also a really dangerous notion for politicians to put out there constantly because it does get people killed. I mean, if you are a black man and a cop pulls you over and you think you have a target on your back, then why not try to attack the cop and get his gun away or take off or never comply. So Obama did most of this race hustling. And it's really sad, and I should say the Obamas, because we could have, with the Obamas and with the help of Oprah or LeBron James or many of the other luminaries in that community, we could, they could, could have said Sent a different message. And they did not. They just kept.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Michelle Obama is still sending the message how aggrieved she is, how hard it is to be her.

[Adam Carolla]

And she tells these stories like, well, you don't know what it's like being black because you go in to buy ice cream and people cut in front of you in line. You know, like, she just names all the. That happens to us all the time.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But she thinks it's because she.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yes. This week she was railing about how you don't understand black women have to straighten their hair and it takes a long time to straighten their hair. I'm like, do you have any idea how long it takes to get this hair to look like this? I just wake up with toddler hair in the morning. Like, every woman spends a long time on her hair. And this week she's bitching about how she has to have a hair and makeup and a wardrobe team. And it's not a luxury. It was a necessity. A necessity. Because what woman buys off the rack? What? Literally all of us.

[Adam Carolla]

I love women's racks. I think that's what you're saying, right? I kind of tuned out with the hair part, but then when you brought up the rack, I jumped back.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I brought it home.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you brought it home. So now I'm listening. I may even do a song. Where's my guitar? God damn it. Did John take my guitar? I put it out here before the show. I told him, don't touch the guitar. Now he plays my guitar and he strikes it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Speaking of hot, how about your little bit on aoc? How does. Where does she fall on the hotness scale now?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, aoc. I. I mean, it was so funny because I did say that thing about her on Hannity, and Hannity had to pretend like he didn't know what I was talking about. It's so funny because after I said that, you know, if. If she was fat and from Minnesota and middle aged, no one would want to hear a word she had to say. Right? That was my AOC take. And after that, people would say to me, what did you really mean when you said that? And I said, I. I think it was pretty, pretty evident when I. We would not listen to her.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

You.

[Adam Carolla]

We would listen to.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

Not as much. Well, I mean, come on. The package helps, but we would still listen to you. Just not. Not as frequently. But we would listen because, you know, because you're beautiful. But you have a message, too. That's what I'm saying. She's. She's Just a look.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

How about Kamala Harris?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, God. I. Well, okay, so she. All right, so we, we need to get serious for a second here. There is a problem and people are writing articles on it. And I've been. I've been sort of getting into it lately, which is a thing called gyno fascism. And it's basically too many women with too many women ideas making too many decisions. And. And I don't mean you. No, no. Well, no, here's. But here, here's what I'm saying. You know, people like yourself do not. You have a much more masculine perspective on, on problem solving. But the aforementioned Justin Trudeau, he's a gyno fascist. He is female in his. In his thinking. No, I. Gavin Newsom thinks like a woman, and Margaret Thatcher has a male perspective. And so when it comes to, like, Kamala, that's where all the word salad comes in. That's where all the talk, all the. I mean, Mandami's in office because, I don't know, 84% of women under 31 voted for him. He says nothing. It's all pablum and it's all part of the process talk. She just talks about, you know, a seat at the table where all the children of the world can feel like they can't. Like, you know, in world class health care and education and no child should ever go to bed hungry and all this kind of stuff and it's eaten up. And I think women respond much more to that than a guy saying, look, we're going to storm Normandy Beach. We're probably going to lose about 8,000 19 year old dudes, but we'll win the war.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Friends of ours have like this old jeep, like really beat up. I don't know how old it is, but it's beat up. And it's got a bumper sticker on the back. These are guys. And it reads, no airbags. We die like real men.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, like I want to be killed by an antler. That's how male I am. I'm not saying how it's going to happen. I could fall asleep under a fireplace drunk and it could fall off the wall, but either way, I'm going by an antler or it'll come through the windshield on a country road.

[Marjorie Taylor Greene]

An antler.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I talked to John backstage. He says he knows a guy who can see to that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, what kind of energy does Katie Porter have?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, my God, she could be your.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Next governor if you're lucky.

[Adam Carolla]

Listen, first off, I was early money on hating Katie Porter. You guys, you're all bandwagoners who just. You just jump. Jumped on the Katie porter hate train 10 minutes ago. There was a thing about five or six years ago that I responded to, which was, I think it was a bank. It was Washington Mutual B of A. It was one of. One of the big banks, put a thing out and said, like, here's how you can save money. Don't buy coffee at the Starbucks. Make your own coffee, and don't order an open Uber. Walk to the place, you know, and stop eating out at restaurants. Make. Make your own food and save money. So this is a bank telling its clientele, hey, here's a good way to save money. Stop going out and spending it all on sushi and Starbucks and everything else and Ubers and Katie Porter had to write the bank and write a tweet to basically say, hey, rich elitists, why don't you start paying your employees a living wage? And blah, blah, blah. And that was, like, six years ago. And I was like, all right, I'm done with this cow. I'm done. Because all that was. But it's a bigger problem because it's a war on traditional values. It's a war on what got us here, and it's a war on what works. You know what I mean? Like, my thing is just, you want to lose weight, diet and exercise, family and education, like, real basic stuff. And they're constantly attacking what is and what works, you know? And she's attacking Washington Mutual for just saying things your grandfather would have told you to do, like if you said, grandpa, I'm not. I'm not saving enough money. Go, well, stop spending it at Starbucks and start making your own meals or pack your own lunch or whatever that is. So she was early money along with Liz Warren on that subject. And that's. That's when I learned to hate her.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I have to say. Assumes facts not in evidence. I do not hate her. I actually love her.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Oh, you do?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I can't get enough of her. I mean, I really hope she gets the nomination. I hope she becomes your next governor. I hope we have her to kick around for many, many years to come. I look forward to the next time she's triggered, and I can only hope that a camera will be nearby.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, her yelling at underlings is the only thing I liked about the woman, I must say.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Explain that. Okay. There may be some truth in that.

[Adam Carolla]

I am here to tell you, as somebody who's been on camera quite a few times, when stuff goes wrong somewhere at some Point. You do tend to yell, you know, you go, Bill O'Reilly, do it live. We'll do it live.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Fuck it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I did hear you doing a bit about how some people who work for you believe there's just no pleasing Adam. There's just no pleasing him.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. My answer to that is, why don't you try me? Try it. Just let's. Let's conduct a wild experiment. You do some of the stuff I ask you to do once in a while, and let's just see how bitter I am. Because I bet it works.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

There is pleasing.

[Adam Carolla]

A radical experiment, but we could try it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

There is pleasing me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. There's. Yes, I could be pleased. So I mentioned not by Katie Porter. I would close my eyes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You'd be with Justin Trudeau, center.

[John Rich]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, on one hand, she would stop talking. I was going to go into a song after that, but.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I lost my train of thought entirely, just picturing that. Oh, God, my eyes. I think. I think I was gonna ask you about your friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, but let's table that. Let's table that. I want to start with Gavin Newsom, the other, you know, the sitting governor.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Do you. Do you recommend him as our next president? You know, he was born a poor black child.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. I love. I love his heart scramble. I love his. I love it. Everyone slept in their car. Everyone had it tough. Rich people were like, lower middle class, you know, I love.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He was just like you and your mom.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, first off, I'll tell you what poor was like. People. But first up, they always give it away. They always give it away. They go, oh, no.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

We grew.

[Adam Carolla]

I was real lower middle class. I had to work for everything I had now. Blue collar all the way. Anyway, my first year at Cambridge, and I'm like, cambridge? How'd you get there? What are you talking about? Yeah, I grew up poor. You know, food stamps and welfare and blue collar and construction and never went to college and, you know, drove pickup trucks and all that kind of stuff, which. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know when it became in vogue recently. When I was poor, it wasn't. Wasn't popular to be poor. It was difficult to be poor. But now it's very popular to be poor. And Newsom tries to do it. He did it on my podcast. He did this single mom, hardscrabble BS with me. His dad was a judge, and his dad was also, like, head counsel for Getty Oil. I mean, it. Basically, his dad worked with the richest family in America. And Gavin Newsom was buddies with all the Gettys.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He was featured in a magazine with the caption Children of the Rich.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And now he wants us to believe he's a product of destitution. Derby.

[Adam Carolla]

I was in a magazine called Children of the Corn, which is different. It was very difficult in that field growing up with the poverty. I do remember we had a cat, you know, poor guy stories. But we had a cat that sort of just adopted us, you know, just sort of showed up at our house one day and we went to go try to buy cat food at the market and the lady said we couldn't use our food stamps to buy cat food food. But she did, she did give it to us because my mom promised her we'd be eating the cat food. No. But now everyone's going to, you know, jack in the box and buying, you know, yoos and everything. Like what the hell?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

No. So like Gavin Newsome, I. I was also born a poor black child. And I found this out later in life when my mom, who and my brother's mom, who. She was a big garage sale fan. She still is a big garage sale fan. And she went out. Huh. She's like 70 years old and she comes home with her latest purchase from the garage sale and it's this sweatshirt. And on the front of the sweatshirt reads fubu. Do you know what that is for us by us?

[Adam Carolla]

It's a black name. Well, it's actually a blackronym.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yes, it's a black rhythm. It's not for 70 year old white women.

[Adam Carolla]

No, it is. It is not.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah. That was the first moment I realized we were black.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Could have used that.

[Adam Carolla]

My mom wore a tap out hoodie for several years. Not even an MMA fan. Just garage sale. Yeah, I'll give you, I'll give a secondhand story. I'll be a one upper or one down owner. We, we. It was all thrift shops. We did a lot of thrift shopping and everything we bought, you know, and my mom would get sofas off the curb and tuck the sheet in, you know, and the whole nine yards. And my sister had a glass that she got from the thrift shop and she drank out of it every day for like eight years. And it was a thick slabbed, weird kind of tall thing, graduated, had like numbers on the side. But it was cute. We got at the thrift store and my sister drank out for like eight years. And then one day a friend of the family came over and I guess they were a physician or something. And this thing was sitting out and they walked. He walked up to it and he goes, oh, look at that. It's one of those old time urine collectors.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, no.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Like Civil War veterans with gonorrhea peed into that before my sister got hold of it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, God.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was, it was interesting because after she drank from it for a while, I remember I said to her, what's going on? She went, what tarnation? And I was like. Then she threw her hat on the ground when she was angry. So maybe it got to her. I don't know.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You could live forever with those kind of immunities. That's the only upshot when something goes really wrong. We were walking down the street in New York City when my. My littlest, who's now 12, was like, three, four, he's lagging behind. We're like, where's Thatcher? What happened at Thatcher? We look back, it's New York. Look back, he's literally back there licking the scaffolding of a New York City building. The child's gonna live to be 200.

[Adam Carolla]

On the bright side, kid loves construction.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, he does. Just like you.

[Adam Carolla]

I do. I love construction. I mean, I didn't. I didn't like it when I was building other people's houses, I gotta say. But now that I'm working on my own stuff, I do, I do enjoy it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

So. What I love about you is, notwithstanding your humble beginnings and your construction background, your ability to work with your hands, you're also. You have the gift of gab. You have the rhetorical gifts, and you use them to make us laugh. Now, some of your brethren in the comedy field choose to use their gifts. Not at all. They've checked all willingness to want to make us laugh and only want to make us think about their opinions, how smart they are, how much better than us they are. And that brings me to Stephen Colbert. I'm going somewhere with this. We have a little sound bite queued up because he's been. I don't know why he's doing promo, probably to save his dying show, which has already been canceled. And for some reason they let him have some seven month hiatus where he can stay on the air and just plead victimhood. But here he is explaining why he's so important to you and why you really need him, and this is why you love him. Watch. I'm curious what you feel like the great affirmative case is for a show like yours.

[John Rich]

Why should shows like mine continue to exist? Or like Kimmel or Jimmy or whoever, And I said, that from a place of great affection.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Which is why I'm saying why.

[John Rich]

Oh, we're like your friend who at the end of the day paid attention to the news more than you did and you're aware of it. You just didn't do the detail work that we did and then we curate that back to you at the end of the day. But it's really more about how we feel about it. I, as the person who met who like, is the vehicle for that, how we felt about today, all those things that might have made you confused or angry or anxious or happy or surprised or something like that. I feel that way at the camera.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Or to the audience really.

[John Rich]

I'm really performing for the audience and the camera captures it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Thank you. Right. His sacrifice. The most amazing thing about that is, first of all, yes, they used to want to make us laugh, but second of all, the number of times with the I, I, I, I, I, I, I and the, the dismissiveness I have actually said to the audience before, I understand you have busy lives, you have jobs, you have families. You definitely probably do not sit there all day looking at every headline and refreshing it. And that's what we in the news business do. But the way he said that was so condescending. Like, I read the news. You don't read. I know more than you do. His arrogance is oozing out of his pores and he wants to use all of that us, because these clearly are better.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it goes back to college and the college campus and sort of where a lot of these people come from because a lot of these guys are academia type guys and Conan o' Brien's like a Harvard guy. There's like a lot of Ivy League sort of elitism and I think somebody said a sense of humor is some sort of marker for intelligence and they all just jumped on it and held it with both hands. And it can be true sometimes. But these guys and you know, I don't want to get into the I, I game like Colbert did, but these guys haven't been in the real world for a long time. Time, you know, it's been 30 some odd. You know, it's basically college. College goes through to, you know, doing the Groundlings or improv troops, which, and more like minded people. And then on to the Daily show and then, you know, Jon Stewart and everything else. And they've really, they talk about common people or hard working people or working men or the middle class or anything like they have disdain for those people. And that's why not going to college is like the end of the world for these guys. And I'm always telling people, get a trade, go to trade school. We need. You won't be replaced by AI. If you can, you know, if you can do some, you know, if you can sweat copper pipes and, you know, turn a wrench and, you know, build, use a nail gun, frame a house. Like, you're not going to get replaced by a robot. So learn a trade. But these guys are elitists, and Colbert's an elitist. And also, it's why they don't know what they sound like when they talk, because they don't realize they haven't been in that world for a long time. And like I said, they have a certain amount of disdain for those who are.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Is. Does it also explain why they look at Trump the way they do?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Well, Trump, okay, so the thing about Trump that you guys may not know is his background is as a, as a commercial builder, right? And commercial builders are always in a hurry because it's always like, well, the foundation's done, but now the foundation framing. But what's holding up the framing? Where the doors and the windows, where, where's the drywall crew, where's the H Vac crew? Like, where's the pipe fitters? Like, it's always like, who's next, who's next, who's next? And they're always in a hurry. And, and if you. And also, you got to realize, if you're a big time commercial builder, you need subcontractors, really good subcontractors who work with you all the time and have been there for many years. So he has to surround himself with people who can get the job done. That's basically, Trump is the lead, and these are all his subcontractors. But if you ever see that tape of Trump coming down to Los Angeles after the fires and sitting with Karen Bass, my mayor, who is not a builder, she's more of a destroyer, and who is in no hurry to do anything and may suffer from a little gyno fascism.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He.

[Adam Carolla]

Trump is sitting there and he's going, let's go, let's go. People need to clear their lots. They can start tonight. They should be able to do it themselves. It's their lot. And she's like, slow it down, take it down. And he's like, no, but hurry. And she's like, no, no, no, no. Safety, safe, safety. Just slow it down. And that's kind of the difference with Trump. You can see the sort of commercial builder in him. I mean, he literally is constantly like, hurry. What's next?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

What do you make of all the gilding at the White House?

[Adam Carolla]

He's doing the gilding.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah. Like, the gold all over everything. Are we pro or anti?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no, no. I would. Look, I got to be honest. I would make fun of it if someone else was doing it, but that's. That's my job, you know? Yes, that's my job.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

That's not what you do when you build a house.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, gold leaf doesn't have a lot of architectural integrity in terms of strength. Like, it doesn't have a good sheer strength. No, it is. It is. It is kind of funny.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

But I can make the case.

[Adam Carolla]

Gold is in that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Let me make the case for it. Because I'm thinking, like, if you're married to Melania Trump and you've got to build a house around Melania, there has to be some gilding, does there not? You can't put her in, like, the double wide.

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, no. She doesn't like bad paneling. She doesn't. She won't cook off a George Foreman grill.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Oh, no.

[Adam Carolla]

I found that out the hard way. Story for another day. Long time ago. Yeah, she. She needs, like, a refrigerator with a window in it.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yes. Or at least a mirror. That's what I'd do if I were Melania. Now, how about you tell me about your love life because you got a divorce a few years ago.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And I think you got back on that horse, did you not?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I did. Although she doesn't like it when I call her a horse. Learn that the hard way, too. Yeah, I have. I have a. I have a younger girlfriend now, which is. Which is nice, you know, but. Oi, oi, oi. Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, it's what. What happens when you get divorced in Hollywood. You get a younger girlfriend, you know?

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Was that. Was that difficult for you, like, to learn how to date again?

[Adam Carolla]

No, I actually enjoyed it. But I gotta say, I was. I was. It was. It was a. It was a crazy story. I was doing. I was doing a comedy show, and my girlfriend is a comedian as well, was putting on the comedy show. Like, it was like a corporate thing. And I saw her there, and she was, like, so beautiful and everything. And when I was talking to her for a while, and at the end, she just said, you know, I got all these beautiful young friends who are single. And I said, oh, good, because I'm getting divorced. So why don't we try to set up this old guy because I need a horse to mount.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

No wonder that worked.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, and she tried to set me up with her friends, but it didn't work and I ended up going out with her.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You were the consolation prize.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Okay. So do you think marriage could be in your future again? Or you're moving past that?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I think I can do it now. Now that I'm gonna die pretty soon. I don't think it's something you want to do in your early 20s. Cause that's a long time, especially with modern science. But now that I got one foot in the grave. Yeah, I could see myself.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You're such a romantic at heart.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you're the one who called her a horse.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Do you guys argue a lot?

[Adam Carolla]

She's Iraqi, so she has, you know, she's hot blooded, I guess they call it a little passionate. You know what I mean? She knows how to argue.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

When you have a fight, are you like, my husband needs to make up right away. He can't have me mad at him. Like, he needs to make up. I'm like, you know, I'm half Italian, Irish. I'm like, I need a minute.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I, you know, it's. It's a. There, there. There's a lot that I've learned over the years. And what I've really learned is just because you're right doesn't mean you can argue. And that's basically what I'd like to pass along.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

You.

[Adam Carolla]

You guys know what I'm talking about, right? It's still a no win situation. So I tend to just sort of button my lip and I put my head down and I just keep walking. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Like Dr. Phil says, how can you win when the person you love is losing?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that's. That's true because. And I do. It is one of those things where I really used to just think, look, if you're right, then you stand up for what you're right about and, you know, you just make your point and then you get your hand held in victory and then you win. But there are no winners in that arena is what I've figured out. And also I just realized that, you know, I think they call it, I don't know, discretion is the better part of valor or something like it just basically shut up and watch tv.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, that's right. That's definitely true. If you want any action whatsoever again in your life.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

All right, so let's spend a minute on Jimmy Kimmel, because it seems like a Modern miracle that the two of you maintained your friendship. We started the night by talking about how many people here have lost a friend or lost a family member because of their politics and, like, at least 60% of the hands went up. So how on earth have you guys maintained that friendship?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Jim. Okay, couple things. Jimmy got me into show business, essentially.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

He.

[Adam Carolla]

I was his boxing coach, and it was sort of a nutty story. I don't know if you know it or if I've told you this one.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

Yeah, I do. On the radio. And they.

[Adam Carolla]

He was doing a radio and he was boxing as a morning show stunt, and they needed a trainer, and I showed up. And so he worked very hard to get me out of boxing training and out of carpentry and into the radio, which. Which he did. So I have. I've always been indebted to him because I really. I cannot. And I think you'll probably share this, which is there's nothing worse than an ingrate. Like, when you help somebody and you take care of someone and you open a door for that person, you make the introduction and you do the whatever, and then at some point down the road, they treat you like shit or pretend like they don't know you. And it's like, come on, man, I got you into this, you know, and it's such a horrible trait in a person. And I just think. Think if somebody opened a door for you and somebody helped you and somebody really made a difference in your life, you must take that one to the grave. You cannot turn your back on that. And so that was like, number one for me. Number two, we were always great friends, and politics had nothing to do with our lives, much like a lot of you, it just. It didn't exist. I don't know. You know, we're hanging around Los Angeles. It's 1996. We're trying to do comedy. I don't even know who the governor is, and I don't care. And he doesn't either. You know what I mean? And. And it's a neither. It was a neither here nor there kind of thing. And so it doesn't have to be front and center to any relationship. It's. It's politics. It's sort of, you know, family and friendship and faith and other things that start with an F, I guess.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

All.

[Adam Carolla]

Above, you know, and then at some point you can talk politics, but we never did, so. And also, I know him as a very good, dedicated person. Father, friend, you know, treats my kids, you know, literally, you know, the calm Uncle Jimmy and so on and so forth. So I, you know, I think there's a thing that happens which is, you guys know the version of him that you see on TV or on your phone or whatever. And I know another version of him which is a completely different version. Very generous, very magnanimous, literally the most gracious person I've ever met. You know, sending gifts for the kid's birthday, you know, every year and so on and so forth. So I know who he is. Politics was never a thing, to be fair to him. He doesn't. He's never done it to me either. It's not, you know, it's kind of a, you know, it's a two way street. I say things that are horrible according to his constituency all the time and vice versa. And he never uses it as an example to disinvite me to any party or anything like that.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

I do think that's the key, having friendship. I have a lot of friendships with people who are Democrats and liberals and do not share my politics. I have one friend who's actually woke and was on board with the whole BLM and marching and the whole thing. And we just don't talk about politics. There are so many things you can talk about other than politics. I love her like a sister. There's nothing I wouldn't do for her. We just table all that stuff. And I do think it's important to remind people it's possible, like. And I think it's the beginning of reconnecting in the wake of Charlie. Now we're not going to be friends with people who want us dead. That's a totally different thing. But people who are normal leftists, well, liberals, I guess I'll say normal liberals are still worth reaching out to. I think it's the solution. That plus going back to church are the solutions to our problems.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we don't. We will get together. We don't talk politics. We'll just talk about what a douche Colbert is.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

That can keep you going all night. Yeah.

[Charles C.W. Cook]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly (Host/Interviewer)]

And on that note, we gotta let you go. Thank you all so much for being here. What a great night, Atlanta. I'm gonna miss you when we're gone. Next time I come down to visit Pete, I'm calling you all up. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear. At Capella University, we believe accessible education can make a difference. That's why we offer scholarship opportunities to all eligible students. Un futuro diferente estamma serca de loques concapella University. Learn more at capella. Edu.