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Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman | Ep. 1044
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Dr. Mark Hyman, co-founder of Function Health, to discuss how functional medicine can actually fix Alzheimer’s and dementia, what the root causes of these conditions actually are, how to navigate the disconnect between functional medicine and more traditional doctors, the truth about the toxins in our food and environment, how RFK Jr. has been fighting back for years and is again at HHS, why we're seeing more diabetes and other nutrition-related diseases in America's youth, how changing nutrition and prioritizing health can actually reverse chronic disease in adults and kids, how these habits can improve overall brain function, the benefits of the Keto diet and how it could actually solve mental health diseases and cancer, what types of food to prioritize and what avoid, the massive and well-funded forces fighting RFK Jr. and the Make America Healthy Again movement, why nutrition and MAHA is bigger than politics, the dangers and benefits of Ozempic and simi...
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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. Today we're going to take a break from politics to talk about a very important topic. Chill out about the tariffs and markets. We're going to check in on them another day. Today let's talk about the fact that we all have nothing if we don't have our health. And we have the perfect guest to discuss how you can take control of your wellness and life. If you're into maha, this is the show for you. If you're into living, this is the show for you. Dr. Mark Hyman is a practicing family physician and a leader in functional medicine. We'll talk about what that means. He is a 15 time New York Times bestselling author, the host of the Dr. Hyman show podcast, and the founder of Function Health, a resource that gives you the tools to own your own health. Dr. Hyman was on with us back in February 2023 on episode 498. Tariff wars, stubborn inflation. No wonder gold has been routinely hitting all time highs in volatile markets like the one we have now. Don't sit on the sidelines with your head in the sand. You can take control and safeguard your savings. This is why so many Americans today are turning to Birch Gold Group. They have helped tens of thousands convert an existing IRA or 401k is into an IRA in physical gold. Is it time for you to hedge against economic instability with gold? To learn how to own physical gold in a tax sheltered account. Text MK to 989898. Birch Gold will send you a free no obligation info kit. Again, just text the letters MK to the number 989898 with an A rating. With a Better Business Bureau and countless five star reviews, Birch Gold has helped many protect their savings with gold. It took us decades to get into the tangled mess that they're trying to unpack right now in dc. How long is it going to take to get out of it? And at what cost? Text MK to 989-898 today. Great to have you.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Good to be here, Megan.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, can we just start with that? What is functional medicine? Because it's not the same as like traditional medicine.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No, you know, traditional medicine is really about sick care. It's diagnosing and treating disease as opposed to the science of creating health. That's what functional medicine is. It sort of reframes our whole perspective to get to root causes rather than Just downstream symptoms. So medicine's sort of divided into specialties and different organs and different parts, but your body's one whole ecosystem. And now we begin to understand that and how things like environmental factors, toxins, our diet, stress allergens and so forth interrupt our biology or lack of certain things we need, like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air, water, sleep connection, movement. All these things are ingredients for health. So functional medicine is about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you need to thrive and too much of the stuff that doesn't your body doesn't, like whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is, and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system that allows your body to repair, heal, and renew. And when you create health, disease goes away as a side effect. So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm of disease dealing with the body as an ecosystem. Rather than going to a different doctor for every inch of your body.
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Megyn Kelly
It should just be medicine.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it just makes sense.
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Megyn Kelly
But it's not.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's not. It will be. It will be. It's coming. It's like, it's where the science is. It's where we're headed. It takes the generation or two to change science.
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Megyn Kelly
I was doing some of these things like a year ago. I was getting my, my life in order physically and in every way. And the woman who was advising me was like, we should, we should get you a test for the heavy metals in your body. And my doctor was like, no, he refused. Like he, it was actually something he would have had to order, I guess. And he's like, we're not doing that. Yeah. Like he was not open minded to it at all. Some of the other stuff, he was like, okay, because I had mold in my apartment or my house at the beach. And he's like, I guess, you know, you can get tested for mold. But then he's like, do you really think it's an issue? He was like, if, if mold were killing people, everybody who lived in the jungle would be dead a lot sooner than people who live in the desert. And they're not. So I've been like, pulled between these two, you know, because I. Functional medicine makes so much sense to me. And yet, like, very like, no nonsense, traditional doctors, like, no.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. No. I mean, the two things that make us sick are our diet and environmental toxins. And those things are ignored by traditional medicine. My daughter just graduated medical school. I mean, she'll learn nothing about these things. And yet every day in my practice I see people with chronic illness, whether it's autoimmune diseases or whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things like Alzheimer's. And they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes and we can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses. Like nobody ever heard of reversing diabetes before. Nobody ever heard of reversing Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases. And you can. And that's the beauty of what this approach does. It's really where medicine's headed. It's where major sort of academic institutions are researching. But it takes a couple of decades for science.
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Megyn Kelly
But it's starting, like we're saying, to become practice with rfkj, who I know is a personal friend, Callie, and Casey means Callie in particular, like a big advisor to him. That's great. He's totally on board with all this. Totally. And then you mentioned Dr. Bredesen. He's the Alzheimer's doctor. I mean, he's, he's an expert in Alzheimer's and dementia. He's been on the show a couple times and he's been saying you don't have to get Alzheimer's, you can do things in your life to prevent Alzheimer's. But the so called traditional community looks at him as like, oh, you know, not, I won't say snake oily fringe, but like, yeah, exactly, fringe. And like you can't listen to him. I first got introduced to him by Maria Shriver who was having fun when she was on the Today show. She's very into Alzheimer's.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Absolutely. Anyway, she's not interested. Stopping it.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, she loves Alzheimer's. Yeah, but so, but that's what's happening right now. In the same way we saw, you know, doctors who were like, you might not want to get your seventh COVID vaccine booster, who got dismissed by people like Fauci as fringe, J. Bhattacharya as focused protection. That's fringe. Now we're having functional medicine doctors looked as, as fringe. But I think there's a different F word. And it's future.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. It's future that's changing. I mean, Toby Cosgrove, who's one of the most visionary leaders in health care, was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years. And he invited me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish the center for Functional Medicine because he realized that the future is going to have to look different when it comes to chronic disease. That the old model of looking For a drug for every disease or a pill for every ill is not going to solve the problem. We saw this massive failure with Alzheimer's. We saw billions of dollars of money, federal money and private money and pharma money going to researching the drugs that they thought would cure Alzheimer's and none of them have worked. Billions of dollars, hundreds and hundreds of studies. Why? Because they weren't looking in the right place to solve the problem. They were looking at the, at the pathology downstream, not at the upstream causes. And so the causes are not that hard to understand. It's our metabolic crisis. Pre diabetes are calling Alzheimer's type 3 diabetes, which is because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain. That's why keto diets work so well for Alzheimer's. They're looking at environmental toxins and how they play a role. There's heavy metals or petrochemicals or other toxins. Mold may be a factor. Tick infections may be a factor. Nutrition deficiencies might be a factor. I had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia. She was an older woman who had absorption issues of B12 and also some genetics around vitamin B6 and folate or folic acid. I gave her like vitamin B12 such and high doses of B12 and B6 and folate and her dementia went away. Now that's not saying all causes, all diseases with people with dementia have that as their cause. But you have to personalize medicine and where everything is going is personalized medicine. This is just where where we're headed. Leroy Hood, who was the father of systems biology, which is how everything is connected and works together as the body's a network. He called it P4 medicine. It's preventive, it's predictive. So you can identify biomarkers or things along the continuum of disease, not wait till you get something say, well, you know, I have this problem, I don't feel good or my test problem. Well, you don't really quite have a disease yet. So come back when you have a really have a disease, then I'll give you a drug. It's not how we should be doing it, so it should be predictable.
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Megyn Kelly
I call it like the queen's medicine. You know, how did the queen live to be, you know, her mid-90s queen mom lived to be 101 or two like that because they had personal care.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right.
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Megyn Kelly
That was looking at them all the time.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right.
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Megyn Kelly
On this level, you know, not just like an annual, but and honestly having known some super rich like mega billionaires in My media career.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
They all have somebody who's looking at this stuff all the time. I saw this one guy, super billionaire, at this event I went to two years ago. And this is a swanky event. We were there for a few days, put on by, you know, another billionaire. But notwithstanding, billionaire number one had brought all of his food with him.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, like he was at that level where he was being advised at that level on his health. And the reason I'm mentioning this is because all these people who have money or royalty or whatever, they're invested in making sure it's one on one care. Someone's looking at their markers, advising them on what they're putting in their body. It's not just like, try to eat better, get a little exercise, don't smoke or drink so much.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
It's much more great, much more creative. So that's. But you're like, with functional medicine and with your program too, you can get this without being a billionaire, without being royalty.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right.
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Megyn Kelly
It's basically 500 bucks a year.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. So Function Health, you know, is. Look, I, I'm one doctor and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or two maybe. So how do we leapfrog over that? We need to have business, innovation. And that's where we created Function Health, which is a health platform that's personalized, allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the CEO of your own health. And we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that never had been done before. We now have over, I think 180,000 members, have over 20 million data points on these people. We can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having in America with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and A1C and also their lipids, which, which we do in a very deep way to look at their cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors don't do. Less than 1% of all tests are for this special new advanced lipid profile. And less than 1% of all doctors measure insulin, which is the most important test. You want to know if you're going to live a long time and be healthy.
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Megyn Kelly
It's the underlying pre diabetes thing.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, pre diabetes, but it's not just pre diabetes. It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia. These are all diseases of, of insulin resistance. When your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps blocking the effects of insulin, you need more and more insulin. And then insulin causes storage of belly fat. It causes Inflammation, it makes you hungry. It just creates this whole cascade. And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they had. Like, inflammation is a big driver of disease. 46% of our population has inflammation. 33% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what's causing it. Is it our load of environmental toxins? Is it our leaky gut? Is it the COVID Covid. Covid post Covid phenomena? Well, the vaccine and even just Covid has, has led to this long Covid phenomena, which is often driving autoimmune disease. And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies. Over about 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients at the minimum level to prevent a deficiency disease. So how much vitamin C do you not. You get scurvy? Very little.
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Megyn Kelly
No, that happened to my, my husband friend on Wall street when they, when he first started in investment banking, he was eating so poorly. Yeah, he went to the doctor. This is, I work in Manhattan. Went to the doctor. Like, you have scurvy? Have you been on a ship for six months? He's like, no, I've just been at my, my desk. But you know, I've heard you discuss this on your show where we have what percentage of the population now that's obese?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's scary.
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Megyn Kelly
And yet you're saying they're malnourished.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's. People are overfed and undernourished. So we see this double burden of obesity and malnutrition at the same time, especially in kids who are eating junk food. They're, they have tremendous, we're seeing zinc deficiencies, you know, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies, deficiencies in vitamin D. These are omega 3 deficiencies. These are rampant in our population. And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery. So every chemical reaction in your body, and there's 37 billion trillion every second has to be facilitated by a helper, which is usually a vitamin or mineral. And we're deficient. And it's because we're eating 60% of our diet as ultra processed food. It's 67% of kids diet. For every 10% of your diet that's ultra processed food, your risk of death goes up by 14%. So you do the math. I'm not good at math, but it's a lot, a lot of increase in mortality.
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Megyn Kelly
Those omega 3s you mentioned. So you can get those in something like fish.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And then the bad omegas are the sixes, which you can get in like vegetable oil. And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega 6s in their potato chips and all this. They're not really necessarily, necessarily balancing them out. And then if you do try to balance them out with seafood or fish, the odds are if you just get it from the grocery store, it's riddled with mercury.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right.
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Megyn Kelly
And it may not even be worth the time. You have to get like, wild salmon. What? Or like herring. It's the smash fish. It's like.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. Salmon, mackerel.
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Megyn Kelly
But not just any salmon. Has a wild caught Alaskan salmon. Anchovies, anchovies, and sardines.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Sardines, right. Yeah. I love those. I'm Jewish. I like all that stuff.
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Megyn Kelly
Have you actually, like, opened.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Have you been to Russ and Daughters in New York?
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Megyn Kelly
No. No. Have you ever, like, opened up tin of sardines and actually eating fish like rat?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
100% every day.
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Megyn Kelly
Is it the whole body? Like the little bones?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, eat the bones. The bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out there.
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Megyn Kelly
Because my mouth.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No, come on. It's a superfood. You've got incredible amount of protein. You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly.
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Megyn Kelly
Is it crunchy?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, a little bit. You've got a rich source of omega 3s that are great for your brain health and many other things. And you've got choline, which is also critically important for your brain. So it's an incredible food.
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Megyn Kelly
Is this available to me via supplement?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, you can say sardine supplements for sure.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, that. Actually I just heard something interesting because I. I was taking fish oil capsules for a while since I eat no fish, but then somebody's like, you know, you got to watch that too, because be careful who you buy it for.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, you need reputable. Reputable source.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. Because they too could just be getting it from mercury infested fish.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
So you're basically taking two mercury capsules every night.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, Most of them don't have that, but you. They filter it, they purify it, and you can, you can look at the before and after testing and see if it's, you know, got.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, that's good to hear. Yeah. So, but anyway, so that's just one of the many lists that you, that you gave that like your kids are doing. And I do worry about the kids a lot because you, you said something that I was like, oh my God, that makes so much sense. Bobby Kennedy's been talking about this too. I cross examined him for four hours over vaccines. That's how, that's part of his resurrection story.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And it was great. He was very strong. He had answers for all of his critics, questions about him, which is what I was fronting. And the, the, one of the things he was saying was, no, I, I have not maintained that vaccines cause autism, but I think that we need to look at the toxic stew the children are growing up to.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. That's right.
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Megyn Kelly
As a cause of potential. A potential cause of autism. And, and what's in the vaccines, like the extras. And the vaccines like mercury or aluminum should also be factored into that discussion made perfect sense to me. But he's, he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid for sure. He was talking about like tics and adhd, like everywhere. Autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Exploded. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And so that made perfect sense to me. And then I listen more to you and you're even next level with it, I think, because you're like, part of the toxic stew is those potato chips and the soda and the, the absence of cauliflower and broccoli and kale or any of the cruciferous vegetables that might help absorb some of the terrible shit we're putting in our bodies.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Help you detox kids.
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Megyn Kelly
And we're allowing it. I mean, I'm guilty of this too. In part. We're allowing the kids to treat their bodies like dumpster fires.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean, when you look at what happened from when I was born in 1959, it was a long time ago, not that long to now. The change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering. The change in autism rates have gone from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 30 something kids, depending on where you look at the data. The rate of neurodevelopmental issues is now affecting one in six children. We have rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies in kids. We're seeing obviously obesity in kids, which never saw before. I mean, when I was in medical school, there was no type 2 or type 1 diabetes. It was juvenile onset or adult onset. Then kids started getting it. Now 30 plus percent of teenagers have pre diabetes or type 2 diabetes. It's staggering. And so the question is why? Why has this happened? What's changed in our culture and our environment and in the food. Well, we've industrialized our food system. We've made convenience king. We've. The food industry has basically taken over. And when I say food, I mean the food and ag industry have taken over our society in ways that are pervasive, pervasive and actually measurable. They fund academic centers which to do research. They fund 12 times as much, quote, nutrition research as the federal government. They fund academic associations like American Heart association, which gets $192 million from the Food and the. In the pharma industry. They fund the Academy of Nutrition dietetics, which is 40% of their revenue comes from the food companies. And when you go to their meetings, and I've been there and I've spoken there, there's like big exhibit halls that say no pictures allowed. Why? Because it's full of junk food. And these. They're promoting to the nutritionists as sort of healthy alternatives, you know, and, and so you've got them creating front groups like the American Council on Science and Health. That is. Is actually some of those guys have been in Medicare fraud. And there are a bunch of quacks who are funded by big Tobacco, Big Food, Big Ag, and say they pesticides, trans fats and high fructose corn syrup are all healthy for you. And then they fund social groups like NAACP and Hispanic Federation to get them to oppose things like soda taxes, which we can argue is good or bad, but they want to ally themselves so they don't push back on them. And they target those groups more directly than other groups.
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Megyn Kelly
By the way, remiss if we didn't mention they also fund our lawmakers.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, well, I was about to say that. And they're the biggest. They're their biggest lobbying group. So they fund huge amounts of miseducation, misinformation on both sides.
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Megyn Kelly
Neither party is immune from this. The Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats are in taking money from these and voting according 100%.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, I, Roger Marshall, who's now the head of MAHA caucus in the Senate, I called him out in my book Food Fixed, I said, you know, there was a panel on chronic disease in a hearing in Congress, and he was emphasizing it was just exercise. That was the issue. It wasn't diet at all. And he was funded by the confectioner association. And I. And I. And now we become friends. And I said, listen, Roger, I called you out in that book, just hope you don't mind. He says, don't worry, he's seen the lights. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, people Change?
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Megyn Kelly
No, there was an update today. Hold on. Before it came to air. This just happened. Yeah, we're trying to get Cali Means and RFKJ are trying to get. To make it such that people cannot use food stamps to buy soda.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, that's a big one.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, to try to encourage our poorest Americans when they need food stamps to use them for high nutrition foods and not the worst of the worst. And tooth and nail, the soda companies are fighting this. It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them. And this just happened in Arizona.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Where there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could buy with food stamps with snap. And they voted against it. And the bill failed to make it out of the Health and Human Services Committee in the Arizona legislature by a vote of 6. 6. And who cast the deciding vote against it? A Republican. Ralph Heap voted against it alongside the Democrats, by the way. Not for nothing, but here is. I think we have Kali Means. Yeah, here's Callie Means reacting to that in SOT1.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
So there's no correlation or causation between soda and obesity rates.
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Megyn Kelly
If your concern is obesity, then we should be talking about obesity. We shouldn't be talking about obesity for SNAP recipients who have social determinants of health beyond just what they eat.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Things that the general public would consider unhealthy.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, who knows what the general public considers unhealthy?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
If the government tries to define in.
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Megyn Kelly
State statute what's a good food and.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
What'S a bad food. It's very, very complicated.
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Megyn Kelly
We are not going to subsidize sugary drinks. This here is Cali for our kids.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's criminal.
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Megyn Kelly
And this is a no brainer situation. And frankly, these two speakers before me.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Should be ashamed of themselves.
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Megyn Kelly
You're crossing a line right there. Should be ashamed of themselves. God bless him. Good.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's hard to. It's hard to imagine how this guy's go to sleep at night saying what they say. No, no. I mean it's to say there's no.
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Megyn Kelly
Connection between social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst the.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's not. Yeah. It's not just poverty. And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor.
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Megyn Kelly
But I, last I checked, JB Pritzker is pretty rich and he's morbidly by obese by anyone's standards.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's true. But when you, when you look at SNAP or food stamps, it's called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, but it's really about food security. Which means you can have calories. So you can eat 2, 500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to fuel your metabolism, but it's going to kill you. And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity. And you look at SNAP, 20% of Coca Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps. It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits. The people don't realize that we pay for the problem multiple times. There's a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health, which is how multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits and socialize the cost of public health. And so the taxpayers paying the bill, we pay, like probably four times, for example, for the food.
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Megyn Kelly
We pay to buy that soda.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high fructose corn syrup that goes in the soda. Then we pay for the soda with snap. And then we pay for Medicare, Medicaid on the back end to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it. And who's paying for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using methods that disrupt our soil, the loss of soil organic matter. We've lost a third of all our topsoil. Soon we're going to lose all of it. The amount of water resources we use to irrigate, which are. Because the farming methods don't retain water in the soil. For every 1% organic matter, you retain 25,000 gallons of water per acre. So we're losing huge amounts of our water infrastructure. And we're also poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the nutrition fertilizer flows down to them and causes the overgrowth of algae, which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish. And so we have dead zones the size of New Jersey in the Gulf of Mexico, or America, whatever I call it now. And there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people. And then we lose biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed? Who's paying the fish being destroyed? So basically it's us. It's.
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Megyn Kelly
This is the part of conversation where I just want to open up a bag of Doritos. Like, I give up, I give up. I can't. Like, there's no winning right there. We're probably inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. You know, it's like, by the way, that was another thing I learned in preparation for today. The average person. Is it here? The average person now today has. This is from. It was on the. It was in the New York Times today on microplastics. The human brain samples from 2024 had nearly 50, 50% more microplastics than brain samples from 2016. They estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Can't be good. Can't be good.
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Megyn Kelly
5 bottle caps. Can't spare it.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No.
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Megyn Kelly
And it was so. So it's overwhelming. Like the farming that. Let's just start there. You know, that's what like, Casey and Cali have been saying. We need regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand, but it seems like it's going to be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive. And when I sat in on those RFKG confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seem to be like a little like, I'm totally for you. Except when it comes to the farmers.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Well, the thing is, the farmers are big voting base, and so you don't want to lose them, but you also want to take care of them. Because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population. Chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer. Because of how they're farming, they're not able to make significant profits. They're really marginalized in terms of their way. They're stuck between the bank loans, the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the, the seeds and the chemicals from. So they're kind of the stuck in the middle. And there is a way out. And it's been demonstrated the, the science is there, the economics are there to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms. And that can be done at scale. And this has been well shown in a movie coming up called Common Ground. I think it's going to be released in about a week on, on Amazon and.
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Megyn Kelly
Regenerative farm.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. And it shows how, you know, like, these big, you know, corn farmers can actually do this and, and they make more money, they restore the ecosystem. And what is regenerative farming? It's basically mimicking nature. You know, Gabe Brown was a farmer in North Dakota, conventional farmer, and his farm was destroyed by drought, hail, and all kinds of things. And he was like, what am I going to do? And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals. And in the journals it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem, to use natural pest control methods, to actually use methods that actually restore soil, that retain water, that do all the things we want to do. And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5000 acre farm in North Dakota and has actually makes 20 times as much money. Restore the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use chemicals, produce much more food, much more nutrient dense food. And it's all been well documented through science. So it's possible, it's just a matter of how do we transition farmers, how do we support them to do that? And private equity is investing in this. I mean if private equity is in paying farmers to convert because they know they're going to get a return on.
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Megyn Kelly
The back end to regenerative.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, they know it's a, it's a profit center and they're going to make more money than industrial.
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Megyn Kelly
I was just thinking about wind turbines, which many of us absolutely hate.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [25:31]
Megyn Kelly
And most environmentalists kill the birds. Yeah, they kill the birds, they kill the land. It's like they're full of toxins. The, the, the blades are as long as a football field. Each blade is long as football field and several tons. And they're like just. And that you get up to hundreds of them in a wind farm. Anyway, I, we have a summer home along the Jersey Shore and they're about to get pummeled by one of these wind farms. And it's just so disgusting. Thank God for Trump for stopping most of them in progress. I don't think he's. That order is going to help us. But in any event, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden have been funneling into wind and solar energy, which is very inefficient, it costs so much, it requires so much land and toxins and reliance on the Chinese and so on. Why don't we funnel that into American farmers to help them switch over to regenerative farm?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
100%. It's one of the best things we can do for the environment, for the climate, for energy. I mean there's so much oil used in farming, people don't realize it's a huge amount of the inputs are all oil based. The fertilizers, the pesticides, the amount of oil usage I have, the big machinery, all that is enormous amount of oil that we use just to grow vegetables and grow corn and grow soy, wheat so that that can be changed.
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Megyn Kelly
By the way, my husband wrote a book on Rudolph Diesel who invented the diesel engine. They should be using diesel engines and Powering them with corn. That's a place. We could use good corn oil or vegetable oil. They can power the engines of the tractors.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Better to use it in the engines.
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Megyn Kelly
It can be done. That's how the diesel engine was born. Okay, so regenerative farming is definitely one of the things. Now what happens when the average patient comes in to see you? Like you do the blood tests and where do you start? Like what? For the average listener, like, what are the top five? Because they don't know how to read their blood tests. You know, I consider myself a relatively sophisticated consumer in this department. I don't know how to read my blood tests. I know you're supposed to look at the HDL and the ldl and beyond that I don't really know.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Right, right, right.
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Megyn Kelly
So what, what should the average person be looking at? What's one of the most important things?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, I, you know, I think we've had this edifice in medicine where the doctor is the gatekeeper and the healthcare system is the gatekeeper between you and your own biology. And I believe that needs to be changed and be empowered to know what's going on in their bodies and to have the information to interpret it. And that's really why we co founded Function Health was to allow us to break down that barrier, to allow a personalized health platform that allows you access to your data and then to know what to do about it. What does it mean?
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, and, and do you give them a code?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
A code?
- [28:02]
Megyn Kelly
I mean like you have all the numbers now after you get your blood tested through Function, but like now what do you do? Yeah, how do you figure out what it means?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Essentially we're, we're building the engine and we have tr. Tens of thousands of pages of content that educates people about what it means, what to do about it, what the root cause are. So let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody in a traditional healthcare system you say, okay, you're going to go to the rheumatologist, they're going to see if they can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease and then they're going to give you an anti inflammatory drug that's going to suppress your immune system, whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs $50,000 a year. They're not going to go, why is this abnormal? So we guide you through an understanding of what it means. And why is this potentially an issue? Is it because you have a leaky gut and your microbiome is Messed up. Is it because you're eating gluten and it's driving that autoimmune biochemistry, or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins that are immunotoxic that affect you? So we begin to sort of sift you, or is it because you had Covid or because you have Lyme disease or whatever, and then you can sort of sift through and say, oh, gee, this is why I may be sick. And then we say, here's how you further investigate and here's the kinds of doctor you want to see, and here's the next steps or here's things you can do on your own. So it's really about self empowerment and.
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Megyn Kelly
All the stuff that Dr. Bredesen says about preventing Alzheimer's, so worth it for everybody.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
100%. It's preventing everything because it's like there are a few common causes that drive all the chronic diseases we're seeing. And it's not that hard. It's too much of the bad stuff and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need. And when you take out the bad stuff, you put in the good stuff, which is essentially what functional medicine is. The body knows what to do. So I'll give you an example. So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis. She had terrible inflammation of her skin and joints were swollen, you know, the heart breakups, rising, but she also had terrible heartburn and reflux. She had terrible irritable bowel syndrome, she had migraines, she had depression, she had pre diabetes, she was overweight, and she was, you know, 50 issue business coach. And I said, gee, you know, what are all these things? How are all these things related? Instead of, you know, seeing the best doctors, which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors, rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist. And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state of the art current model treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs. Nobody said, why is she having these problems? It's the medicine of why not what. Why do you have this? Not what disease do you have, not what drug do I give, but why? And then we investigated because she had all these gut issues. A lot of your immune system is in your gut. And so I cleaned up her gut, I got rid of the bad bugs, I gave her an antibiotic and antifungal, restored her microbiome with probiotics, gave her some fish oil and vitamin D, came back six weeks later, and she's like, doc, everything's gone.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I lost 20 pounds, my psoriasis is gone, My arthritis is gone.
- [30:38]
Megyn Kelly
What?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
My migraines are gone, My depression is gone. I feel great. My irritable bowel reflux are gone. And I stopped on my medications. I'm like, I didn't tell you to do that. She was like, no, I just was feeling so good, I stopped them. And so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give them the roadmap, they can do it.
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Megyn Kelly
Have you seen this in children too?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yes, of course. I mean, I'm a family doctor and I've treated thousands and thousands of kids. And it's just so disturbing to me when I see the kinds of things that really are affecting these kids. I mean, I had one little girl who was 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune condition that was triggered by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of yeast overgrowth in her gut. She also had gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her gut lining that can trigger autoimmunity. She also loved sushi, which is weird for a kid, but she liked a lot of mercury laden tuna. She was eating a lot of that. So she had mercury toxicity. And we basically reset her gut. We put her in elimination diet. I gave her some things to get rid of the overgrowth of yeast in her gut and I gave her chelation to get rid of the mercury. And she had something that was, she was on like 1200 milligrams of Solumedrol, which is like a horse dose of steroids every three weeks intravenously. She was on chemo drug called methotrexate. She was on drugs to help with her ray nose and other than her gut issues, so calcium channel blockers, she was on a whole list of things, aspirin, because she had more blood clotting, she was on a pile of drugs and she really couldn't function really very well. And she completely fixed it. She was 100% better. And I check in with her 10 years later, she's doing great, she's gone to college and is really healthy. And so we see that if we start to dig into the root causes and help people understand how their body is actually organized, not how medicine currently organizes it. We can do tremendous amounts. And that's really why I think function health is so important, because it helps us leapfrog over the current medicine, empowers people with their data and helps them understand what to do about it.
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Megyn Kelly
I heard you talking with someone. And forgive me if you weren't the one with this story, but I think it was you talking about a kid's handwriting.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Oh, yeah, that was me.
- [32:34]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. So, I mean, we hopefully can show this on the show, but there's a kid I had who had add, and this is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body affected the brain in a very profound way. It wasn't just the mind body effect, but the body mind effect. And many of our psychiatric illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat, not with ADD medication, which is.
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Megyn Kelly
Now we are going to definitely spend time on this. This is interesting.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. I mean, and. And this kid had add. He. But he had also all these other issues. He had asthma and he had allergies and he had stomach aches and he had headaches and he had, you know, a whole list of stuff. And he was seeing seven different doctors, about seven different prescriptions. And he was on Ritalin. He'd been kicked out of kindergarten. He was that bad boy. And his writing was terrible. He had. These kids often have what we call dysgraphia, means something that you can't read the writing, really poor handwriting. But, like, at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it. And his mother came to see me. We put him on a clean diet. He was only eating processed food. We did his nutritional testing, and it was. It was like, so malnourished. He wasn't really overweight, but he was really malnourished.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't know. It's just so strange that a mother who would be like, taking all those doctors and like, having.
- [33:39]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, she finally got to me. She didn't like it, but she's, like, doing the best she could as a mother. You don't know. And then she heard.
- [33:44]
Megyn Kelly
It doesn't even occur to you that maybe it's nutrition? I think for a lot of people it doesn't even occur to you because especially with a child who you think could process anything matter what you do.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And the two months later, the mother brings him back and he's doing better at every level and he's off all the medications. But what was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after. She showed me his handwriting from his homework, and it was like a different kid. And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain going from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not Have ADD and his handwriting go back to normal because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class and I was like, wow, this is crazy. And that led to me writing this book called the Ultra Mind Solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first. And this was like 15 plus years ago. And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry at Stanford, Nutritional psychiatry at Harvard. Chris Palmer, who's a Harvard professor, is a psychiatrist. Discovered accidentally you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet. And now, you know, there's $3 million grant that just got given to Mayo to study ketogenic diets and severe mental illness like bipolar disease and schizophrenia. And we had such a stigma against this. Instead of understanding that this is something that actually is because our biology is just not functioning.
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Megyn Kelly
You know what I'm thinking about right now? After we had, you know, did you watch that roundtable that they had in the US Senate with Ron Johnson and Callie and Casey were there and the Atlantic did a big write up up of it after and called it the Woo Woo Caucus.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, yeah.
- [35:13]
Megyn Kelly
They were so dismissive and disgusting about these ideas being discussed in a serious way. And that's what we're up against is that, you know, you start to say, like, maybe we can head off schizophrenia with diet.
- [35:27]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [35:27]
Megyn Kelly
And they say, I'm out. You're crazy.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. But this is actually looking at academic medical centers. This is what they're studying. Like they're looking at these things seriously because the data is there. And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist, said, no scientist doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light. But because a new generation grows up that's familiar with. In other words, medicine advances one funeral at a time.
- [35:50]
Megyn Kelly
Yes. Right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And so it's unfortunate, people get very ossified in their ideas. And Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in the Structure of Scientific Revolutions, how it's very difficult to convert people who believe a certain thing like the Earth is flat or the Earth is the center of the universe, or that that species arise in their fixed state, you know, basically.
- [36:06]
Megyn Kelly
Or that it was an insurrection, whatever.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Like people basically just have this very fixed view of the way things are. And it's very hard to change that. Paradigms are really hard to change. Which thing? Autism was caused by refrigerator mothers, that ulcers are caused by stress. And the guy who actually was a gastroenterologist would notice in the biopsies of the stomach that there was this bacteria hanging around. He's like, what is this, maybe this is the cause. And everybody laughed at him. The whole gastroenterology field just made, made him a joke. And he said, well, I'm going to prove it. He's drank a beaker of this bacteria. He got his partner to like, he got an ulcer. He got his partner to scope him before and after he took antibiotics, cured the ulcer and then proved it. And he won the Nobel Prize for it.
- [36:44]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, wow.
- [36:45]
Dr. Mark Hyman
So you know what, what one day seems like a quack and the next day is actually standard of care to me.
- [36:51]
Megyn Kelly
It just doesn't seem quacky at all. It seems like absolutely logical and sensible people won't accept it. And I think part of it is it's so much easier to take a pill. You much rather be told, just take this drug and you're good as opposed to completely change the way you eat. And by the way, you need to move more.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, it's so hard to do, Megan, in our environment because everything is set up for us to fail. We have a toxic wasteland of nutrition that we live in. Our body. We don't need to move our bodies at all if we don't want to. We don't get outside very much. You know, we have so much stress. We have high levels of stress, we don't sleep well. These are just fundamental things that a human organism needs to have in order to thrive. And, you know, we take care of our dogs and our animals and our horses, racehorses, in ways that we, you know, ways that are, are so much better than we take care of ourselves. Like, we wouldn't feed our million dollar racehorse McDonald's Big Fries and a Coke. We feed it to our kids.
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Megyn Kelly
Right, right. Well, I was thinking about what you just said about how we're just not set up, you know, for success here. And the family went to Scandinavia in June. We did Sweden, Norway and Denmark. And they're all basically the same country, but in terms of their approach to lifestyle and so on. But in Denmark, they have it set up there. There's. There's some waterways there. And they have it set up so that almost every office building has a stairway down to the water.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And it's encouraged that on your lunch break, you walk, you would go take a swim.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
You would go downstairs, you'd eat outside and it's cold there. They know that. But they all bike to work. First of all, everybody bikes, even the royalty in Denmark and Sweden, they bike around. Very sort of mobile culture. And then think about it. If you went to the Office. And the office culture was during lunch. We eat healthy, we go outside, we swim in the water, and then there are showers to shower off. When you get back into the office, you have a 90 minute break where you can do all of that and then back to work. We're the opposite. We're like, what the hell were you doing away from your desk for 90 minutes, 90 seconds? You know, Scandinavia, no, we're the USA. We produce, you know, we're the envy of the world in terms of our production and so on. That's our mindset. There are some benefits to it, but in the health department, not, not really.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No. No, it's, it's, it's very disturbing. I mean, when you look at us compared to every other country where we spend more than twice any other nation on health care, which is almost $5 trillion, 1 in $5 of our economy, it's. The federal government pays for 40% of that and it's 1 in 3 federal dollars. So we're footing the bill. And, and we have, we're 48th in life expectancy. I think Cuba and Albania are better than.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh my God, Albania.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I think so Maybe they don't have good records. But like, that's when you look at the list, like, what are we doing here at the bottom of the list? And I mean, Trump on Joe Rogan.
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Megyn Kelly
He showed number one reason for that. What's the number if you had to pick one?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I think it's, it's, it's our, it's our diet.
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Megyn Kelly
Ultra processed foods.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's, it's the, it's the takeover of the American food supply by the industrial food system and chemicals everywhere.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, like within that. What's the number one culprit? Ultra processed, I think chemicals.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I think it's sugar and starch. Sugar and starch. And then you can add in the chemicals and all the rest of it.
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Megyn Kelly
And by the way, is, is, is bread, is bread bad? Is bread basically sugar?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, well, actually the glycemic, something called the glycemic index, which is how much a given food raises. Your blood sugar is based on white bread. So that's a hundred. So that's the highest.
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Megyn Kelly
Yep.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Sugar is actually 80 because it's made up of fructose and glucose. But it's a little bit trick because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar.
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Megyn Kelly
But, but they both have the same.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. Below the neck, your body cannot tell the difference between a blood bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar. Wow. Or a loaf of bread or A loaf of bread. It's just the same thing. So when you eat white bread, you're basically eating sugar. And the American population consumes 152 pounds of sugar and 133 pounds of flour per person per year. That's almost three quarters of a pound per day. I mean, the dietary guidelines, which need to be fixed, and I'm working on that with a non profit that 10% of our diet, they say, can be sugar. That's 12 teaspoons in an average 2,000 calorie diet for a kid. The average kid's eating 36 teaspoons of sugar a day.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, that. And that's a pharmacological or. Casey, One of them was saying at the turn of the 20th century, you know, the 1900 or so, the average, you know, recommended daily or. No, the average intake of sugar amongst American children was zero. Yeah, zero on a day to day basis. Now they say you can have like 28 grams.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, that's crazy.
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Megyn Kelly
It was zero.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, you know, when, when the World Health Organization tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar to 5% of your diet from 10% in the recommendations, Donald Rumsfeld, when he was under Bush too, flew, flew to Geneva and said, we're going to pull our $400 million of funding from you if you do that. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, that's how powerful the food industry is. They have infiltrated every aspect of our society.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, and.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And not to mention they're basically accounted for most of the marketing and TV besides pharma. It's all jun. Watched the super bowl last year. It was 11 junk food ads in the first half. I couldn't believe.
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Megyn Kelly
They're pushers. Yeah, they're pushers. If they were doing this with, you know, heroin, we would see the danger.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
But, well, it's addictive. I mean, the science is so clear in this. Megan. 14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food. This is according to the Yale Food Addiction Scale. It's a scientifically validated metric for looking at food addiction. And I'm not talking about just like, oh, I love, I love cookies because I love cookies. But like people who really can't stop, like an alcoholic. That's staggering. And these companies know this. They've designed the food to be like this. The, the tobacco companies bought in the 70s, a lot of the food companies, like RG and Abisco and Philip Morris. Kraft, Right?
- [42:22]
Megyn Kelly
Yes. And then they got out of cigarettes.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And into crackers and they engineered these foods with taste Institutes where they had craving experts to create the bliss point of food, to create heavy users. These are their own internal terms they use. And in fact they, they actually have take little 2 year olds and put them in MRI scanners to see which images will light up their brain in their pleasure center. So they'll say to their mommy when they go to the grocery stores, buy this, buy that, you know, give me the Cocoa Pebbles or whatever it is. Right.
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Megyn Kelly
That is so dark. I was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like, mom, there's this meal service that will deliver the meals pre made if you want to, you know, sign on to that. And I was like, well, they did a good job. If they got to my 11 year old who brought it to me at the breakfast table.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
Like they're definitely marketing to the right people. That's right. But there's so much to go over. I wanted to say something about the food. Oh, is it true that Bear bought Monsanto?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
So one of the biggest drug companies in the world, but one of the biggest chemical companies in the world that's spraying our food with everything, getting us sick.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
By the day. And then where do we go? Back to the medical companies.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. Well, it's actually, actually there who makes some of the drugs for non Hodgkin's lymphoma.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, wow.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And there's been multiple lawsuits that have.
- [43:35]
Megyn Kelly
Wasn't there just one?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, $2.1 billion settlement for glyphosate, which is Roundup, or basically an herbicide that is sprayed on 70% of crops that is in most of our bodies and most of our urine. When I tested this, and you can see it, it's pretty scary. And they basically on one hand cause the disease and then they on the other hand treat it with the drugs. It's a good business model.
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Megyn Kelly
Glyphosate really scares me because one of the things you don't think about even if you try to eat healthy, back to that guy who's carrying around his food everywhere, that billionaire is, what about when you go out to eat?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You don't know.
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Megyn Kelly
What about when your kids go to school?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You don't know. I mean, it's true. I mean you can, you know, have your own garden in the backyard, but if you like to eat or if you're out on the road, I mean, like you and I are out there doing stuff you can't always control your food's coming from. Unless you're a billionaire with your own private chef. In your kitchen that flies around with you on your jet.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, but then I met with a super billionaire who had his own cows. He got his own meat from his own cows that were like. I mean, like, there are so many levels, but keep going. You don't know, because, like, in the restaurant. Yeah, those vegetables are probably treated with Roundup. You're not getting organic vegetables in the restaurant. You're probably not getting grass fed beef. You're not getting pastured chicken. So it's like you need to eat at home. That's expensive. Yeah, it's harder. People are busy.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's.
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Megyn Kelly
It. To the point of. It's. It's also overwhelming.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's all. But, you know, Megan, there's not an. It's not an accident that Americans have been disenfranchised from their own kitchens. This is a deliberate plan by the food industry to make convenience king. Happened in the early 60s. They were worried about the advent of this woman named Betty, who was a home EC teacher, was teaching about families how to cook and grow gardens.
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Megyn Kelly
And Betty Crocker.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No, I'll get to that. I'll get to that. But, you know, there was federal extension workers that were teaching young families how to take care of themselves and actually do the things that are not that hard if you know what to do. And so the food industry freaked out about this, and they invented Betty Crocker, who was not a real person. I thought she was a real person. Yeah, she was not a real person.
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Megyn Kelly
That's. You tell me Aunt Jemima's not real.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
She's not real. But Betty Crocker cookbook, if you remember it, because you probably had it in your mom's kitchen. Add one can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soup to your casserole. Add one roll of Ritz crackers. They insinuated processed food.
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Megyn Kelly
It was delicious, though.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Okay. All right. But it was like they insinuated all this crap into our diet. And then they. And then they got TV dinners, and then, you know, we got, you know, you deserve a break today. We got Fleischman's margarine and Tang and all these foods that were Twinkies. Right. Drink, like. Like, I grew up on that stuff, you know? And it turns out that this was not an accident. This was a deliberate attempt to. To sort of. You deserve a break today. It was sort of the classic thing where. And women's lib also kind of facilitated that, because I get women out of the kitchen and women's liberation.
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Megyn Kelly
No one was in the kitchen at.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
All right, that's right. And so we had now have generations of Americans who don't know how to cook, who don't know basic life skills. I was. I was. Did a movie with with years ago called Fed up, which was. Yeah, I think it's on Netflix. It was about childhood obesity, and it was talking about these issues. And as part of the movie, I went down Carolina into one of the worst food deserts in America. In Easley, South Carolina, I worked with a family of five who lived in a trailer on food stamps and disabilities. So they had very limited resources and very limited access to good food. And the mother was, you know, massively overweight. The father was already at 42 on dialysis for kidney failure from type 2 diabetes. The son was like, 50 body fat. A kid should be 10%. He was big guy. He's like, Dr. Ryman, am I going to be 100 body fat? I'm like, no, you're not. It was so sad. And I said, I'm not going to give them a lecture. I'm going to go to their kitchen and I'm going to show them what's in their pantry. I'm going to show them what's in their freezer and in their fridge, and I'm going to help them understand the things that are harming them because they think they're trying to do the right thing, because they want the father to lose weight or they can't get a new kidney. So rather than give them a lecture, I taught them how to cook a simple meal called. And it was from a little guidebook called Good Food on a Tight Budget. Food that's good for you, good for your wallet, and good for the planet. And it was like cheaper cuts of meat, cheaper vegetables. I mean, stuff that would be considered sometimes peasant food that my family grew up on. And I. I did it with them, and I didn't know it was going to happen. And the mother texted me a week later. She says, we lost 18 pounds as a family, and a year they lost 200 pounds. You know, they didn't even have cutting boards and knives. Everything was, you know, microwaved or whatever. And. And they did it, and they learned how to cook. And they. I gave them a cookbook and was just. It was like. I was like, wow, we're one meal away from transforming society. And I realized I had a bias. I had a judgment. I thought people who are overweight. And I bought the implicit bias in medicine, which is eat less and exercise more, meaning it's your fault. You're Fat, you're a lazy glutton and it's your fault. So get your shit together. But that's not true because people are hijacked. Their biochemistry's hijacked, their brains hijacked, their metabolism hijacked, their hormones are hijacked, their immune system hijacked, their microbiome is hijacked. And that drives you into this disease state that we have in America today. And so in, this kid was a 16 year old, he lost 50 pounds, had to go get a job. And there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there. He gained 50 pounds back, he says, like putting alcoholic to work in a bar, you know?
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Megyn Kelly
Totally.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And then he, he, he, he texted me later, he's like, hey, would you help me? And I helped him. He lost 132lb pounds. First kid in his family to go to college, finished college, emailed me and said, hey, Dr. Hyman, would you write me a letter recommendation for medical school? And now he's a doctor.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh my God.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And yeah, that's, to me that story is, is, is emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away from transforming the health of America. If we can go in and, and Paul Farmer did this with tbn, AIDS in Haiti. It was an intractable problem. You know, they didn't have clean water, they didn't have sanitation, they have watches. And these drugs are complicated to take back then and for multi drug resistant TB and aids. And he was like, we can fix this. And he used community health workers, neighbors helping neighbors. And so we like imagine if we created a workforce of community health workers to go out there and go into people's homes and show them how to do this. And we did this at Cleveland Clinic. We did this with.
- [49:20]
Megyn Kelly
I have the idea we should take all the DEI instructors who are about to lose their jobs and train them in nutrition and send them into all communities and educate people on how.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I was shocked. I was at Cleveland Clinic and, and there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African American community that's very underserved. And we had a cooking class and I thought a few people would show up. 300 women showed up.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, God bless you.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And we had this big cooking class.
- [49:44]
Megyn Kelly
That's what I need too. I need it just for, just to make food, period. Nevermind healthy food. All right, we'll take a quick break and we will be back with Dr. Mark Hyman after this. Plus a special function health discount for our audience. That's exciting. Standby, you might have heard about this new brand called XXXY Athletics. They are the only athletic brand that is standing up for women's sports. It was founded by former elite gymnast and longtime Levi's executive Jennifer Tse, the first gymnast to speak out about the abuse in women's gymnastics. Then she pushed back on lockdowns and closed schools during COVID and for that she was canceled by corporate America. Nice. So she started her own brand. It's called XXXY Athletics and it is the only athletic brand that actually knows men cannot become women. And it's not a gimmick. They make world class products from the softest sweats to performance wear, including leggings, bike shorts, dresses for golf and tennis, and workout tees that hold up to the toughest workouts. Check them out at thetruthfits.com or xx-xyathletics.com Use the code MK20 for 20% off your order. Support brands that align with your values. Go to the truth truthfits.com and don't forget the code MK20. We have Dr. Mark Hyman with me for the full show today. He's the co founder of Function Health and I want to tell you that you can go to functionhealth.com megan or use the code Megan100. Is it/ A? I'm reading the prompter. Is that a? Oh, so it's not just/megan, it's functionhealth.com a megan. All right, so you have two slashes in there.slasha/megan like function health. I'm Megan functionhealth.com a megan and that will get you $100 off your function membership. Or you can just use the code Megan100 on checkout to get it. So doc, what does that do for people?
- [51:49]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, it gives you an unlock for your health in the way you've probably never had it. And testing things that your doctor probably doesn't even know about, doesn't and won't. It shouldn't. It should be tested. Or that you might ask in bone test, right? Like your vitamin D level. Why should you know that? For example. And for $1.37 a day and less with your discount, you get deep insights about what's going on with your biology. From your metabolic health and how your blood sugar regulation is to your cardiovascular health, to hormones, to environmental toxins like lead and mercury, to your deep, deep analysis of your nutritional status, things that you're. I mean we, we literally work with Quest and we broke their testing for essential fatty acids for omega 3 machines because we Were doing such a volume where.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
One of their number one clients, we do cancer screening, gallery screening which is quite amazing to look at cancer detection. We found one in 180 of our members who's tested have a undiagnosed cancer which you can what detect in a blood test now.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, that's amazing.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And it's more accurate than many other screening tests we have and it's something that should be available to everybody and we're, we're one of the number one providers in the world for this. So it's, it's unlocking things that you'd have to go through the firewall of medicine to get and then on the back end you not only get your results but you get deep insights about what they mean.
- [53:03]
Megyn Kelly
They give you like a printout of this is what we. You're high on this and this is what you should look into.
- [53:08]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, it's a beautiful dashboard that you can track your data over time. And I know as a physician when I see a patient I have to pull up the PDF of the results and then look at the one from last year or last month and it's a pain in the ass. It's not digital, it's not visual, visually like presented in a graphic way that helps you understand where your trend lines are and function has all that. But more importantly it really has the deep insights that are informed by all the scientific literature in the world. I mean imagine you're doctor be able to read every scientific paper that was ever published. Right now technology can do that, right? Imagine having the knowledge experts informing what things mean from all domains and imagine it being informed by your data, your personalized data so you actually can understand what it means for you and then what to do about it and how to act on it to up level your health.
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Megyn Kelly
What happens if I have a question like who do I call?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, we're still building the platform because we literally launched two years ago. We have a success that we never quite imagined. But we're building a chat where you can interact with your own data and ask questions but you can go to your family doctor or you can and you know, go on, on to learn more from the platform itself because there's so much.
- [54:11]
Megyn Kelly
You're not dispensing medical advice there but you are giving people tools to go.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
To their own deep insights about what things mean. And there are, there are medical insights but we're not telling you what to do or not to do. But, but.
- [54:23]
Megyn Kelly
Well, this leads me to my other important question which is how do people find a functional medicine doctor?
- [54:28]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Good question. We need more of them. But I think part of the reason I co founder function was there aren't enough. There's, you know, thousands, there should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions and millions of people can access this. But before I die, I didn't want to die not having functional medicine being accessible to everybody or having their, their own health data being available to everybody. And so it's a way of leapfrogging over a period where we don't have the infrastructure yet. And we will, I promise you we will. Megan, have the future of medicine come to pass as we should be. Just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches or we do for some wound healing or we don't have like drill holes in people's skulls to let out the bad, evil humors. I mean we, we advance in medicine and I think, you know, this new generation of network systems medicine, it's going to the scientific paradigm, it's going to come to pass.
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Megyn Kelly
This may make it exciting. School in today's day and age like this is. This is a way of truly healing people and helping people get better.
- [55:23]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [55:24]
Megyn Kelly
As opposed to just you're going in, you're going to be governed by the insurance companies. You've been upper limited on how much you can make and how much you can help.
- [55:30]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. And doctors need to learn like, I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease and the biggest cure and doctors learn nothing about it. And in Texas. Nothing in Texas. I was, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education and residencies. I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect. Once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend and then we can actually start to train the new generation of doctors that is in.
- [56:01]
Megyn Kelly
The right paradigm and nurses too. I mean there's so many people who can do this who, you know, short of getting an md which would be like more accessible and more affordable for a lot of people too. So you've mentioned it several times. The keto diet. I've had it mentioned to me many. I don't understand it still. No, I think I've looked it up and it says it's more like fat.
- [56:21]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, it's pretty easy to understand. So your body is like a hybrid car. You can run an electric or on gas. Gas is dirty, burning Electric's clean. Burning gas is carbohydrates. So your body runs very well on carbohydrates. But there's a lot of downstream consequences of having a high starch carbohydrate diet for certain conditions. And this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy. We found that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increase fat to like 75%, you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch. If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes treatment of type 1 diabetes, where your pancreas just shuts down, all these kids would die. And the way they would treat them would be putting them on a 75% fat diet. Jocelyn.
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Megyn Kelly
Saturated or unsaturated everything.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, lard, butter.
- [57:09]
Megyn Kelly
Wow.
- [57:10]
Dr. Mark Hyman
And I mean, by the way, Megan, 25% of breast milk is saturated fat.
- [57:14]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, it's gotten a bad rap.
- [57:16]
Dr. Mark Hyman
It's gotten a bad rap. I mean, we can go into that too, if you want. But what was fascinating back in the teens and twenties was there was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type 1 diabetics to save their lives. And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant society, where we have 75% overweight, 93% metabolically broken, meaning they have some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin. 93% of us, that means 6% of us aren't probably you and me are part of that 6%, but it's not a lot of people. And, and when you restrict carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from a gas burning car to a electric burning car, and it's clean burning. But now we're finding it's effective for reversing type 2 diabetes for treatment of Alzheimer's, for cancer. Siddhartha Mukherjee, you may have heard of him, he's a famous oncologist from Columbia, written a book called the Emperor of All Maladies, when the Pulitzer Prize is. He's now doing research on ketogenic diets for end stage cancer, like melanoma and pancreatic cancer, and seeing complete reversals. What, because. Yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine. It can only run on carbs, it can't run on fat. So you starve it of these carbs and cancer cells die. It's pretty remarkable. So across the spectrum, whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type 2 diabetes or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar.
- [58:42]
Megyn Kelly
Disease, how does this jive with, with the old. Eat food, mostly plants.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Not too much.
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Megyn Kelly
Not too much.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, I think it, it, you can do it on a plant rich diet and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot of junk. And so put a lot of olive oil over olive oil. Avocados. Yeah. Nuts and seeds. And even, you know, people do well. I mean I, I think, you know, you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse depending on their genetics. And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300, should be 200, her triglycerides were 300, should be 100 or less. Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is sign of this metabolic dysfunction and she was desperate to try to do something. This is the pre ozempic era. I said, listen, why don't you try ketogenic diet, see what happens and let's follow your numbers and see how you do everything. Corrected. Her cholesterol dropped 100 points. Her triglycerides dropped 200 points. Rate HDL went up 30 points. She lost, you know, 25 pounds and she felt great and so, and her pre diabetes went away. So depending on the person, it can be a very effective tool, but it's not like a one size fits all.
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Megyn Kelly
Why is, are the, is that much fat bad for like somebody who has heart disease in the family?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
There may, there may be, but there's actually a paper coming out soon which looks at what we call lean mass hyper responders. There are certain people who, when you have a perfect sort of metabolic health, in other words, you have no prediabetes or insulin resistance and no inflammation and you're fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass and not a lot of fat on your body. When they consume high saturated fat or ketogenic diets, they'll have a really dramatic increase in their LDL cholesterol. Now this is something that doctors have been trained is bad and that you immediately have a knee jerk reaction to prescribe a statin drug, which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world. Now some of These people have LDLs, not under 70, which cardiologists would like, or even under 100, which is their lab reference range range, but they have LDLs of 2, 300, 400, 500, 700, and they have no heart disease through Imaging.
- [60:45]
Megyn Kelly
Right. Because like the calcium score.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Calcium score. And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data that's now emerging from the scientific literature. Like, what is going on here? How does this work? Well, when you don't eat sugar, you have to transport energy around the body. And how do you do it? Through fat. Right. And what is the biggest fat carrier? It's your lipoproteins, which are fat and water don't mix. Right. So you can't just put fat in your blood. You have to connect it to proteins. So what is ldl? It means low density lipoprotein. It's a lipo, means fat protein. So you put fat and protein together, it can be transported through your body for energy and other sources. So it's really, it's fascinating. The science is constantly evolving. And I think for certain people, ketogenic diets can be life changing, like life changing. I've treated schizophrenia with it, treated Alzheimer's with it, autism with it, depression with it, it obviously type 2 diabetes with it. And you can reverse up to 60 to 70% of type 2 diabetes. That's very advanced where people are on insulin. When I was in medical school, chronic diseases were chronic. They never went away. To reverse heart failure, to reverse diabetes, to reverse kidney issues, to reverse hypertension. These things don't happen in traditional medicine.
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Megyn Kelly
What about the thought of mixing the keto diet with Mediterranean? Because that's the other one that everybody loves, Mediterranean.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, you can eat Mediterranean diet, but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet specific thing that happens in your body.
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Megyn Kelly
Do you, do you go on keto, like forever? I just, I. Some people do.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Some people do and they thrive on it. Other people don't do well on it. So I think it's very like, try.
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Megyn Kelly
It for a month and get your inflammation.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You need about, you know, usually six weeks to adapt, to become fat adapted to your metabolism shifts over and then you can see where you're at and then check your numbers. But you know, there's a company called Virta Health that's reversing type 2 diabetes with an online program of ketogenic diets. And, and not only have they seen 60% reversal, not only they've seen 12% weight loss, which is massive. It's as good as any of these drugs that are out there now that actually they've done a parallel study like comparing just their program to Ozempic and those drugs, and they were equally effective in the outcome. So it's not something magic about Ozempic. It's the weight loss and it's the change in metabolic health. And so you can do it for very various, various ways, whether it's a drug or whether it's where it's a ketogenic diet. And they found their lipid biomarkers over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors all got better by eating a super high fat diet. Right.
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Megyn Kelly
So what, and again, so you're saying, but also saturated fat. So like. Well, yeah, that would be like red meat. Like the fat that you get. Like, I'm trying to think what's, what's good for you. Saturated fat. I know. Bad for you. Saturated fat is in the ultra processed foods.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, trans fat is basically the worst.
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Megyn Kelly
That's the worst you can do.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And that's basically vegetable oil shortening. And they call it shortening because it shortens your life.
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Megyn Kelly
You know how many things call for that, by the way? Having like a daughter who's in eighth grade, every time she has to make brownies or cookies for the school, you know, all of it wants actual vegetable oil.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And like she said, I don't know if you can use olive oil. I'm like, you're using it.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's olive oil cake.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, yeah, it's fine. Actually it tastes a little different, but it's healthier, I think.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, you can. And so, so, you know, the, there's, there's a tremendous amount of emerging data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were. You know, there was, it was a long history of the scientist named Ansel keys in the 60s who basically did this study called the Seven Country Study, which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk. But they left out the other 14 or 15 countries where their data didn't match that. Like Switzerland or France or. Right. So they were like I was cherry picking a little bit. And then, then we got into this era of low fat and that led to the food pyramid, which told us to eat 6 to 11 servings of bread rice here on pasta a day, which we did. Like a dutiful population.
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Megyn Kelly
That was a nice time, let's be honest.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
We did that. Dutiful citizens. And what happened to America? We exploded.
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Megyn Kelly
Give me that sourdough. I need more.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's right. Well, sourdough's not so bad. But the diabetes rates explode. I mean, we've tripled the obesity rates and we've tripled the diabetes rates.
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Megyn Kelly
You can see, see it.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And this is Not a genetic problem.
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Megyn Kelly
You see those memes online where they show Americans in the 1900s and they're all, first of all, they're well dressed. And second of all, they're all slim. All of them are slim. It's very rare to see an obese person, even in the United States.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Absolutely.
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Megyn Kelly
100 years ago and not even 100 years ago.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, African Americans in the 60s were healthier than white Americans. They were thinner and they had less disease. Now it's the opposite. You know, when we saw Covid attack back, certain communities like, like New Orleans or Chicago, and there was 70 of the deaths were from 30 of the population which was African American. And, and when you watched like there's a movie called Amazing Grace with Aretha Franklin, it was filmed in 1970 in Oakland, there wasn't an overweight black person in the audience and she wasn't overweight.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And, and you go like, whoa, wow. That's crazy. And now 80% of African women are overweight. And obesity rates and heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates. Forex seed.
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Megyn Kelly
And you can tie this to ultra processed foods and to the demonization of fat and elevation of sugar.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, yeah. And that was the problem. And now we've kind of, kind of reversed that trend. And I think, you know, it's a big sort of tanker ship to move, but we have to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national security. 70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitiveness being a challenge. We're like 30 something in math and reading in the world because kids are. Can't learn in school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these chemicals in the food that are causing add behavior issues and.
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Megyn Kelly
All sorts of things, and depression and depression. I've heard you talk about this too. This is like everybody, you go to a therapist today, whether it's you or a child, the first thing I want to do is prescribe you something. They want to get your college age kid hooked on a drug like that. They're like, they've helped a lot of people. People there's no explanation of. No one would ever ask, what are you eating? No, no one.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No one. It's true. It's true. I mean, it's, it's, it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious. But as doctors, we learned that, you know, disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition. If you go to rheumatologist, autoimmune disease, they say it's nothing to do with nutrition. If you go to G.I. doctor, I mean, I, I'm like, what do you mean? I mean, think about it. You're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day. How does it not impact what's going on in your got.
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Megyn Kelly
Right, right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's like, it's kind of great.
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Megyn Kelly
So I mean, if you're feeling depressed, you're feeling anxiety, rule number one should probably be take a look at what you're.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
What are you eating?
- [67:12]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients where I put them on a reset program. It's like hitting your body's factory reset button. So go to back to your original factory settings.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And I called the 10 Day Detox Diet. I've, I've written a book about it and there's a website where you can kind of go into and actually learn about it and do it if you want to. And what's amazing is that in 10 days there's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases. Which sounds crazy for me to say it, but I've done this so many times with so many people and track their symptoms and how they feel and it allows them to see the connection between what they're eating and how they feel. Oh, I didn't know that this constant congestion I had was from when I was eating. I didn't know that this rash that I've got in my body all the time I can't get rid of is from what I mean, I didn't know that my stomach issues are related or my sleep issues or my depression or my migraines or whatever it is. Food is generally the first place to look. And if you can clean the deck and take out the bad stuff and put in the good stuff, you know, take out all the processed foods, all the sugar and starch, put in, you know, lots of vegetables, good, healthy, you know, protein, lots of nuts and seeds and get out all the ultra processed foods. The body is so smart. It's like quickly changes and I'm sort of, I'm sort of shocked when I see it. And it's repeatable every single time.
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Megyn Kelly
Can we talk about red meat? There's a lot of people who are on this carnivore diet. There's hardcore red meat all the time.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, we've got vegans and the carnivores on one side.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. We've got a good friend who's Argentinian, and he's like. Every single member of my family had LDLs through the roof and no heart disease. And they lived into their low hundreds.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And they. All they did was eat steak.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, that's it.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, they had grassfoot steak in Argentina. And so.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Right.
- [68:45]
Dr. Mark Hyman
So there's no industrial.
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Megyn Kelly
But what's. I mean, when I was growing up in like the 80s.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
They were like. I remember because I was a young aerobics instructor.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [68:51]
Megyn Kelly
And my fellow aerobics instructors were shaming themselves for having meat more than once a week.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that was bad.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, that was a result of this demonization of saturated fat, because meat has some saturated fat, so if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself. So there's a whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat and their meat consumption has gone way down. And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down. So something didn't kind of line up. And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused because a lot of the population studies that were done on at that time and population studies do not show cause and effect. They just look at trend lines. And then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation. And what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras actually had more disease. But when you look at the specifics of their behaviors, the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day. They drank more, they didn't eat their fruits and vegetables. They eat more sugar. They didn't exercise, they smoked.
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Megyn Kelly
There you go.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's why they were sicker. It wasn't because of the meat. Meat. And when you look at studies, for example, when they've done this with 11,000 people who shopped at health food stores who were either, you know, omnivores and ate meat or vegans or vegetarians, they both had their risk of death reduced in half. It's because they weren't eating all the crap. Right. So it's not the meat, it's what you eat with it. Is it the. Is it the burger or is it.
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Megyn Kelly
The bun and the sugar? You know, I have to. I just noticed this the other day. But, for example, my kids love ice cream, and who doesn't? I was just looking at those. You can get those, like, dark chocolate bars at whole Foods. I like the one that's like mint blackout. In any event, it's. If it's over 90%, you know, cacao. Yeah. Which is going to mean it has less sugar. You can have four squares of that chocolate, which is a decent size. It's for the. You know, if you're watching this on YouTube, it's like about this big.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [70:41]
Megyn Kelly
Maybe a little smaller, but about around there. And it's only five grams of sugar.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [70:45]
Megyn Kelly
Like, if you really have a jones for something sweet after dinner, you could have that for 5 grams. Or you could have a big bowl of ice cream which might have 30 even more grams of sugar.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
People don't even know what a gram. And I mean, this is an example of how the food industry has taken over our government in labeling. And we're trying to change front and package labeling and food labels, but no one knows what a gram of sugar is. If I say 4 grams is a teaspoon, if I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar, you're gonna like blink and look twice. If you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams, you're not going to know what that means.
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Megyn Kelly
No. And that's on purpose, about 4 grams?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's on purpose.
- [71:26]
Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, I mean, you have to have a PhD nutrition to decipher one of those labels.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. They make it so hard.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Make it really hard. So. So I think, you know, in other countries they have better front of package labeling, which is either red is going to kill you, yellow, eat with caution. Green, you can use as much as you want of it, or, you know, they put warning labels in South America, they have big like octagon stop signs with. With this. Yeah, basically. I mean, you. I don't know if you've been to South America. If you go to. On a plane in South America, you get your snacks. It's like you can't eat any of them because they all have like three different giant stop signs on them with basically warning labels.
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Megyn Kelly
It's a good idea.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. I mean, on a can of soda, which is a diet soda, they put in warning labels that says, this is going to harm your kid and this can cause neurologic issues. And don't drink it, don't feed it to them.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God. I mean, great. More like it.
- [72:09]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Our executive producer has a third grader. He has two kids, but one of them is in third grade. And he has a question I bet a lot of our listeners have, which is, what can you pack in a Lunch that is healthy for a third grade child and frankly for most children, because you try to send your kid to school with a bagged lunch or send your kid on a field trip.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And they'll trade it with the other kid for the junk food, you know.
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Megyn Kelly
And I too, don't know where to begin. It's so hard. They're not gonna eat a salad, first of all.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No, you don't eat a salad, but know it's real, it should be real food. And there's lots of yummy things that kids can eat that they like that aren't bad for them. And what we need to do is stop putting lunchables and go gurts and all these sort of industrially designed foods that aren't technically.
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Megyn Kelly
My doctor says yogurt is a lie.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Right?
- [72:58]
Megyn Kelly
He. He doesn't mean non fat Greek yogurt. He's talking about.
- [73:01]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Or full fat Greek yogurt.
- [73:02]
Megyn Kelly
No, no, he's not talking about that. He's not talking about, you know, yogurt that's not sugary.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. I mean, people don't realize that you can get your, like, you know, sweetened yogurt. That's low fat fat that has more sugar per ounce than a soda.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, but you can. You know what? I. I have this almost every day for breakfast. I have. I'll either get non fat or 2% the phage faje yogurt, Greek.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Can you get the full fat? Megan?
- [73:25]
Megyn Kelly
Can I get the full fat? I don't know. I. I don't want to. You know, I'm a little worried. You can. And I'll put, like, blueberries in there, and I'll put some chia seeds in there, and I'll put some hemp seeds in there because I'm just. I don't even know why I'm just told those are good for you. They're. They're protein, I guess.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Protein and good fats.
- [73:39]
Megyn Kelly
And sometimes I'll sprinkle just a little low sugar granola in there, which you. With no seed oils on it.
- [73:44]
Dr. Mark Hyman
You got to like granola now.
- [73:46]
Megyn Kelly
You got to look for that, but not too much because you don't want to, like, completely overload it with, you know, sugary products or whatever. But it's so good.
- [73:52]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [73:52]
Megyn Kelly
It tides me over for hours. And I love it. I know. It's good for me.
- [73:56]
Dr. Mark Hyman
And if, you know, if you make your home a safe zone, you teach your kids about food, you cook with them, you show them what food's about. That's what they learn.
- [74:03]
Megyn Kelly
Okay? But let's give them an actual possibility that could go in there.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
What could be in their school lunch?
- [74:07]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, what could go in there?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, you could put like a. I don't know, I mean, like you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right? You could have. I'm just blanking now because I haven't packed my kids lunch.
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Megyn Kelly
You can't do chicken nuggets, can you? Or can you do like the organic ones that you get at a. Yeah.
- [74:22]
Dr. Mark Hyman
You could do that. I mean, you could do that. That are. That are not, you know, deep fried in the.
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Megyn Kelly
You can't get sliced deli meat, right?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No, sliced del meat is not good.
- [74:29]
Megyn Kelly
That's the devil.
- [74:29]
Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, the bologna sandwiches with mayo and bread.
- [74:32]
Megyn Kelly
I mean, you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, you could if it's. If it's whole grain bread and you, you know, you know the source of it. I think the kids need to eat real food. Food. And what's the problem is that they're not eating real food. And there are, there are great guides on how to do this. I'm. I'm like blanking on school lunches because basically I. An apple, fruit, cheese. Cheeses can be fine.
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Megyn Kelly
You're okay with cheese?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, cheese can be fine. I prefer sheep or goat cheese.
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Megyn Kelly
What else, Steve, what else do we need to know? Hold on. See if there's a follow up. What, what kind of meat? Yeah, what kind of meat in the sandwich?
- [75:03]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Like really Turkey. Sliced turkey, Roast beef.
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Megyn Kelly
Real, real. Like not delicious. Deli.
- [75:08]
Dr. Mark Hyman
No, not deli. Chicken. Because that's like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff.
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Megyn Kelly
Like a chicken breast that you cooked yourself the night before in avocado oil, Something like that. That's pasture raised.
- [75:18]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [75:18]
Megyn Kelly
Okay. It's just so much harder than it should be. You know, it's like.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, the defaults are the wrong choices. How do we make the defaults the easy choices and the right choices?
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I don't know. I. Like, even in the summers, I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this. The summers, the family eating goes to hell. The kids. Kids daily eating because they're all over the place. You know, our kids go to this day camp and then they'll. They swing by the. The ice cream place that has a great menu, like a diner kind of place. And they're all eating just terrible food all day long. I don't even know what the alternative is, you know, like without hiring a chef to Live in your house and come up with healthy options for all three meals. You know, they'll, they're eating bagel with cream cheese in the morning and then they're eating like a cheesesteak for, for lunch and then, you know, I, I'll get them for dinner. But it's so hard.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It is, it is. And that's, that's the whole point of what needs to change in our policies to, to change the things from the top down so that we produce food that's healthier, that we have clear labeling on food so people know what they're getting, that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options. And so those, those things will take time. And I think that's what the Trump administration is trying to do. I hope they succeed. I think there's a sort of a tension between the USDA and HHS because the USDA basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of Americans. And they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that Health and Human Services and Medicare and Medicaid are having to take care of.
- [76:43]
Megyn Kelly
So we have to be aware of.
- [76:44]
Dr. Mark Hyman
The usda like the right hand is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder.
- [76:48]
Megyn Kelly
So what do you, how do you like rfkj's chances of succeeding in this job given all these forces?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
He's got a lot of forces raid against him. I mean there's a multi trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail. Well and that's threatened the food industry, farming industry, the pharmaceutical industry. It's not a small thing. And I think if President Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are, if he's able to get on the low hanging fruit and have the easy wins, I think they'll win. So for example, getting all the additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen now. There's 30 plus bills around the country in different states. Some of them, 10 of them are, I think are Democrat led. Some, most rest are Republican led. And they're, they're for example to get rid of the chemicals and dyes and food or to have SNAP waivers to get rid of soda and snap, these things are happening. Or get nutrition education like in Texas for doctors or you know, stop punishing kids by restricting recess and gym, you know, like if they need it. There's things happening that are sort of, the Maha movement has sort of catalyzed this, this groundswell and I, I'm sort of Shocked. I mean, I, I never thought.
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Megyn Kelly
It's awesome. I hear Cali means drop it all the time. He's like, you're gonna tell the maha moms out there that you won't take sugar out. And like, it's great he's using it. And he should.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Because the maha mom thing is real. Like, they're out there and they're pissed off about what's been done. I'm 100% mom. Happily and proudly. Because I'm pissed off about what the, what these industries have done to me, to my family, how hard they've made it for us all, how expensive they've made it for us. Why?
- [78:18]
Dr. Mark Hyman
And the government's been sort of in collusion a little bit.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's the problem.
- [78:22]
Megyn Kelly
Why Most people can't afford to shop at Whole Foods. It's very expensive. Walmart is so hard to get fruit and vegetable.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country.
- [78:31]
Megyn Kelly
It is.
- [78:31]
Dr. Mark Hyman
It is the biggest organic.
- [78:32]
Megyn Kelly
There's not a Walmart near me.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
That's why there are Walmarts near most of underserved populations. So, I mean, I shopped at Walmart and you know, during COVID I was helping different people who couldn't get food. I would go get food. I was like, wow, I can fill up in a giant, giant, like grocery cart full of real food that's good for 500 bucks.
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Megyn Kelly
Grass fed beef.
- [78:50]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Like a giant Walmart cart. Not like a regular grocery cart.
- [78:52]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [78:52]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Not grass fed. Necessary. But just like real food.
- [78:54]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
You know, meat, vegetables, you know, how.
- [78:57]
Megyn Kelly
Important is the grass fed thing in.
- [78:59]
Dr. Mark Hyman
The hierarchy of things? I think it's less important.
- [79:01]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [79:01]
Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, it's more important to have regenerative agriculture, to rebuild our soil and to rebuild farms. In terms of your health, I think the kind of trade off between eating real food and eating processed food, I would skip the organic and I would skip.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [79:15]
Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, this is my. Sound like heresy, but in terms of like having a choice if you can't afford it.
- [79:20]
Megyn Kelly
Yep.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I would, I would always choose the.
- [79:22]
Megyn Kelly
Their relative sense.
- [79:23]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. The real food versus the process.
- [79:24]
Megyn Kelly
Back to rkj. They definitely want to destroy him. And so one of my feelings is for the next four years, hopefully he decides to keep the job that long. We need to be super wary of hit pieces on him because the odds are they've been planted by one of his detractors just in the news. Now they're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in Texas in a community of Mennonites who don't take vaccines and never have long before Bobby.
- [79:51]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Kennedy came on the scene.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. Yeah. Never mind became HHS secretary. It's like he went down there out of empathy to this funeral and they're like you, you're to blame.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
But I do wonder, like that kind of story gets amplified and I don't think it's totally organic.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Oh, it's not. I mean it's, it's really not. I mean it's sort of, sort of insidious. I mean the, with Dr. Oz, they did this New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down because this group called the American Council on Science and Health had a, wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty because he was a quack. And there was, you know, like sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead. That was from the American Council on Science and Health. When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by big pharma, by tobacco.
- [80:39]
Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And, and they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes and trans fats are fine and we shouldn't worry about them. I remember this come after me.
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Megyn Kelly
Is it because he was pushing supplements on his show, like as an advertiser?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean maybe that was their case, but maybe, but he, you know, he also was challenging things about the food system.
- [80:55]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Oh no. I'm just saying that's the excuse they found.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And when you look at who that group was, like one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud, you know, like. And, and I was sort of shocked that the New York Times is an investigative journalist, you know, outlet, I thought. And it wasn't. They. I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people were by googling them.
- [81:15]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And what their backgrounds were and why they had this opinion and what this group was about. And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble and high, high minded. The American Council on Science and Health who would not believe what they have to say. Right.
- [81:28]
Megyn Kelly
Or like in another lane, the American Academy of Pediatrics.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. 100%.
- [81:32]
Megyn Kelly
We used to trust and now should.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Not all of everything, whether it's American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association, American Academy of Pediatric States, some of them are doing good things. But on the other hand they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, why are, why are pediatricians still pushing the flu vaccine on us and grown up doctors still do.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's one of Those things, Megan, that I do not understand. You know, in medicine and science, the whole point is to question your assumptions. And science is based on hypotheses that challenge given assumptions. So it's really about the questions. When you start to ask questions about vaccines, you're all of a sudden a.
- [82:11]
Megyn Kelly
Heretic and you're, oh, you video right now. For real information about vaccines, go to the cdc.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor. When I was at Cleveland Clinic Clinic, I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who had autism that I treated. And in the history, I said, this is the history. And this is the kid had, you know, born by C section or took antibiotics or had gut issues or had this. And you know, the mother said, and she was a, actually a VP of Pfizer said, you know, by the way, you know, my kid had his MMR vaccine and after that he seemed to get regressive autism. And I'm not saying it was a cause, I'm just saying I wrote about it as part of the medical history. And then even at the, at the beginning of the article, I wrote a disclaimer. I said, I'm not saying vaccines cause autism. I'm just saying like this is part.
- [82:53]
Megyn Kelly
Of the story, part of the story.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
And this kind of got up through the drinks at Cleveland Clinic and the pediatric department said, you have to write a letter stating that you are 100% in support of vaccines or you're basically fired.
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Megyn Kelly
What?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Like that's the kind of, that's the kind of thinking in medicine. And whether you're J. Bhattachary who got, you know, kind of blacklisted, or you're people who start to question things, we should be asking questions. And when you look at vaccine history, there's great benefit. But also we should be honest there, like any other medical treatment that has benefits and risks. With the COVID vaccine, we saw myocarditis and other issues. I mean, young adults who got vaccinated more than once had a greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine than they got from COVID That's just this, published in major peer reviewed journals. This is not a heritage, not a.
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Megyn Kelly
Heritage opinion, but what's so annoying about it. So now you can say it because it's been published and so on. But at the time when we were first seeing signs of it. Yeah, and you had like pediatric cardiologists coming forward to say, hold on, I'm seeing this. You. Even then, then when they knew something might be developing. They completely stifled debate or outing of those concerns. That's when it was most needed, but also most banned. Where you couldn't talk about.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, it's kind of nuts. I mean, I think it's just that we can't trust the American public to deal with a nuanced conversation to teach them about the benefits and the risk, to help them understand the difference between sterile immunity and disease immunity. Sterile immunities. You get measles vaccine, you never get of measles disease immunity is you get a vaccine like the flu vaccine or COVID vaccine, you reduce your risk of getting the disease or the severity of disease or hospitalization or death. That's a very different thing. So when they say it's safe and effective, that's a trope. That doesn't make any sense. Nothing in medicine is safe and 100% effective or 100% safe. Whether it's, you know, getting an injection for a procedure. You can potentially get infection. You can get bleeding. I mean, I mean I had back surgery and I, you know, after, you know, I had a huge bleed into my spine. It was, wasn't doctor didn't do it on purpose, but it was a complication. Diets. Yeah. So there are benefits and risk to anything in medicine, to any drug. Aspirin. I mean, we used to think aspirin was God's gift to mankind.
- [84:55]
Megyn Kelly
People were taking it every day.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Everybody should take aspirin to prevent heart attacks. And then the data started emerging as doctors continue to ask questions. We should be asking questions. Oh, let's look at this again. So they looked at it again and they thought, oh, you know, like it's actually causing more deaths in people who are at low risk for heart disease from brain bleeds and GI bleeds, stomach bleeds, than from preventing heart attacks. So let's, let's restrict the use of it to those who are at the highest risk, which is what we should be doing in medicine. Constantly learning, evolving and growing. But when it comes to vaccines, you can't even ask the question. So, you know, I, I've been vaccinated. I have my kids vaccinated. I mean, like, I'm not anti vaccine. I think they're an important part of our medical arsenal, but they're not like perfect and they have problems and we should be studying this.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Nothing is above questions.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
- [85:39]
Megyn Kelly
In medicine or shouldn't be. And you know what? We're in a new era.
- [85:42]
Dr. Mark Hyman
And when people say it's, it's, it's, it's debunked it's been settled. And these are just things that are anti science.
- [85:47]
Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's amazing.
- [85:48]
Megyn Kelly
Those words should be retired.
- [85:50]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Exactly.
- [85:50]
Megyn Kelly
But I mean you look, we're now we've got Trump, we've got Bobby, we've got Jay Bhattachary, we've got Marty McCary. Like we're, we're slowly but surely turning this aircraft carrier around. But it's going to require like antenna for the attacks on them and voices and we're going to have to get pissed off and follow the cali means method of yelling at everybody.
- [86:10]
Dr. Mark Hyman
I told him he's got to calm down now he's getting in the guard. He's got to like just chill out a little bit.
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Megyn Kelly
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Dr. Mark Hyman
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Megyn Kelly
Offer details apply. Now let's talk about the weight loss drugs because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did in the maha lane was to take them off of the Medicare and Medicaid too options. But that seems counterintuitive because being fat causes everything.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It's true. It's, it's counter complicated. I mean, you know, Medicare Part D is the drug benefit for Medicare. It's $145 billion. If you treated all the obese people in Medicare with Ozempic, it would be, I think $267 billion just for that.
- [90:09]
Megyn Kelly
But wouldn't it then lower the cost of all the other things they need?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
It might, it might. But, but the question is, is there a different way to go about this and can you get the same benefits and what is going on with our food system and the causes of this? So it's easy to look for that quick fix or the quick jab that's going to solve all your problems, but it doesn't come without risk. So when you take these drugs when you might feel nauseous and not feel great. So that's probably why how it works, it makes you not want to eat because you don't feel good. So who wants to rock around with that? And most people discontinue it after the first year. I mean it's a big discontinuation rate because of the side effects. Not only that, those are short term kind of short lived side effects. But we see a 400% increase in bowel obstruction which needs surgery. We see a 900% increase in pancreatic injury injury. We see increases in thyroid cancer, although people debate that whether it's just in animals or not, but it's still a concern. And you see people losing more half their weight as muscle. Muscle is where your metabolism is. So here's the problem. You lose, let's say £50, half of that's muscle. You get off the drug because most people stop it. You gain back the weight. Then now it's all fat, all fat. So then you could be the same weight you were when you started, except a lot metabolism will be slower because muscle burns seven times the calories as fat. So you need to eat less at the same weight just to maintain that weight. So it's a slippery slope unless you are. And I think this is something that we've talked about in, you know, in some of the policy conversations we have at if you're going to give this drug, it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program that makes you eat at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight. So let's say per pound of ideal body weight. So let's say you're £120 pounds, 120 grams of protein and a strength training program so you keep your muscle. And if you don't do that, it's a huge risk on the backside of.
- [91:56]
Megyn Kelly
You'Re going to be skinny fat.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Skinny fat. It's right.
- [91:59]
Megyn Kelly
I know it's a terrible situation. Nobody wants to be skinny fat. It's like you look good in clothes but then when you take the clothes off it goes downhill.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
There's another word for it called tofi, not tofu. Thin on the outside, fat on the inside.
- [92:09]
Megyn Kelly
Oh yeah, nobody wants that. That's fine until you get to beach season and then it's.
- [92:13]
Dr. Mark Hyman
These are an important advance in men medicine but they have to be prescribed intelligently. They have to be done in the right way for the right person. It's not a panacea for everything. And we have to fix our food system and we have to Fix the.
- [92:23]
Megyn Kelly
Reason why we're morbidly obese. Come in person, come in to see you. You wouldn't consider like saying you want to check out?
- [92:30]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, I think you know what did we do before this? You know this woman working with me who's been working me on my non profit for years. She's now the first lady West Virginia. She lost over a hundred pounds just following some simple guidance that I gave her about what to do. She's a brilliant woman, woman. But she didn't ever know about nutrition. I saw another woman in Cleveland clinic who had heart failure, type 2 diabetes, high hypertension, she had multiple stents put in, she had fatty livers, her kidneys were starting to fail. I mean she was on her way to a kidney and a heart transplant and within three days, and this sounds crazy but she was offer insulin. By changing her diet in three months, she reversed her diabetes. Her A1C which is your average blood sugar went from 11 to 5 and a half which is normal. Her heart failure reversed. We called the ejection fracture was how much blood you can pump out perfect minute again that got back to normal from being low. Her kidneys got better, her fatty liver went away, she got off her medications, she saved $20,000 in co pay. I don't know what medicare was covering for her, but that was her copay. You save a lot of money and it's just about teaching people the basics of what to do. And most people don't know. Like the family I was talking about. This is the pre ozempic era.
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Megyn Kelly
A lot of people know and they just, they, some people do very hard.
- [93:34]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Some people do and some people just don't know. And I think you know, that's what I, I, I, I have changed over the years. I sort of believe, believe like, like I said earlier that people who are overweight or who have these conditions, they know better but they just don't do it.
- [93:46]
Megyn Kelly
No, it's more than that.
- [93:47]
Dr. Mark Hyman
They don't know because the whole society has sort of made it hard for them to know.
- [93:51]
Megyn Kelly
I gotta ask you, this is a different category but I gotta get this in EMF and rf.
- [93:58]
Dr. Mark Hyman
This is like should we be worried about it like WI fi and Bluetooth.
- [94:02]
Megyn Kelly
And, and the no and so called dirty electricity coming out of your out outlets.
- [94:06]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah. How big of an issue is it? I don't know, I don't think that there's a lot of good data. I think there's some data that there may be some issues in human biology when you think about it, we're electromagnetic beings and you have your heartbeat, your brain waves. We can see the electrical signals. You know, I mean, you, you know that if you go into certain areas, there's interference with your phone. So the stuff actually, we know, impacts our electromagnetic system, how it's linked to disease, you know, how bad it is. I think it's very hard to understand or study because you can't do a randomized controlled trial with this. You can't like, take.
- [94:36]
Megyn Kelly
Wouldn't we all be coming with cancer if. Well, exposure to WI FI caused it?
- [94:42]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, I mean, I mean, everybody, we are. The thing is, we are seeing increasing cancer rates. So people say, oh, heart disease deaths have gone down. Yes, because we have better treatments. But has the incidence gone down? No. We've seen more people with heart disease, more people with cancer, more people with every single chronic disease. Alzheimer's, diabetes, you name it. Autoimmune disease. It's getting worse across the board. And so it's multifactorial. It's not just one thing. And could it be a factor? Yeah, yeah, but I, I think.
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Megyn Kelly
Do you think twice about having WI fi in your house?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
No, I do, but I turned off in my bedroom and I, And I know, and I noticed this. I mean, this is totally anecdotal, but when I go camping or I'm sleeping outside, like, I sleep better. My, My whole well being changes. And now it could be nature, it could be a lot of other things, but I always wonder if that. Or sometimes even when the power goes out. Because, you know, when the power goes out, sometimes it goes out for three or four days. Like, wow, I feel a lot better, I sleep better. You know, I mean, it's kind of amazing. So that's anecdotal, but I think, I think it's something we should.
- [95:35]
Megyn Kelly
About that there's what you see. You see a headline every other day that young people, like people in their 20s, are getting colon cancer at really alarming rates.
- [95:42]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Is that true? And do you know why?
- [95:45]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yes, 100% true. I think the why is a question. My view is that it's related to the change in our microbiome from our diet and from the increased load of environmental toxins. And that's probably driving most of it.
- [95:56]
Megyn Kelly
What about antibiotics? You know, you were talking about the one woman with the messed up microbiome, and you mentioned you gave her antibiotics. I thought antibiotics caused a bad.
- [96:03]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, they can be good. They can be bad. So. So she had an overgrowth of bacteria called sibo, which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And she also had sifo, which is small intestinal fungal overgrowth. So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys. Like if you have a parasite, you need an anti parasitic medication. If you have.
- [96:19]
Megyn Kelly
I would love to get a parasite. Every woman I know dreams of that.
- [96:23]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, Worms for weight loss. Yeah, exactly. It's our new company. Worms for weight loss.
- [96:28]
Megyn Kelly
No, we used to joke. My hairstylist and I were joking during the COVID pandemic.
- [96:31]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Pandemic.
- [96:32]
Megyn Kelly
If Dr. Fauci would just say there's some ozempic in those coveted vaccines, everybody would get.
- [96:35]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Everybody would get.
- [96:36]
Megyn Kelly
Every single woman on earth would be like, I'll take it, I want all my boosters.
- [96:39]
Dr. Mark Hyman
It's true. Anyway, but you know, antibiotics have a role in medicine, but we, you know, we way overuse them. I mean, there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics to use an animal feed to prevent infection from overcrowding. There's about a couple of million that are used for humans for therapy. So that's crazy. Antibiotic resistance. It kills 700,000 people a year. It's kind of a big issue issue. And it's a big, big problem. But you know, for certain indications, for example, like bowel overgrowth, there's specific antibiotics that are not absorbed, that can be taken, that are generally well tolerated, and that you have to then rebuild the gut after. So, you know, you have to.
- [97:10]
Megyn Kelly
How hard is it to rebuild the gut after an antibiotics course?
- [97:14]
Dr. Mark Hyman
It's, it's not that hard. If you take probiotics, if you eat healthy diet, if you feed your microbiome, phytochemicals and fiber, it can come back.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay. Yeah, I've been taking this like shot, not, not for antibiotics just because I was, I don't know. Everybody says it's supposed to be good for you. Of raw. It's like honey, what is it? Apple cider vinegar and some lemon. It is the most disgusting. Like you take it and you're like, oh yeah, is this important? Like what?
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Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean, it can be. It can be good to change the ph of your stomach. But I, I don't, I'm not a big subscriber to that.
- [97:49]
Megyn Kelly
I think it's so painful. But I don't really like all that fermented stuff. They say that you should eat like sauerkraut and pickled this and pickled that. I don't know. Yeah, I like, I don't like this diet. I'm not having sardines and I don't love my vinegar drink and I don't want to eat a bunch of sour cream. I do. Like, the yogurt's good too, right? I mean, can I do that instead of the apple cider vinegar?
- [98:09]
Dr. Mark Hyman
If it's not industrial yogurt, yes.
- [98:10]
Megyn Kelly
Okay. It's industrial. What do you mean?
- [98:12]
Dr. Mark Hyman
I mean like factory farm cows that are pumping antibiotics, hormones, and it gets into the milk.
- [98:16]
Megyn Kelly
I don't even know how I find that. That out. I didn't even considered that.
- [98:18]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Well, you can buy organic.
- [98:20]
Megyn Kelly
You know, I don't think mine is organic. I got to go look at that immediately.
- [98:23]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Haven't even considered it. Okay, so in sum, we need to detoxify ourselves. We need to detoxify our environment. You mentioned mold, you mentioned lime. All the ultra processed foods. Bio organic.
- [98:39]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, ultra processed foods. I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple. It's. It's like if it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it.
- [98:52]
Megyn Kelly
Don't eat it.
- [98:53]
Dr. Mark Hyman
If you don't have butylated hydroxytoluene that you put on your vegetables or you shrink on your steak, don't buy food with it. Better safe food.
- [99:01]
Megyn Kelly
It's almost like you need to get rid of your pantry.
- [99:03]
Dr. Mark Hyman
I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people and a pantry biopsy. And we need to get rid of the stuff that's harmful. And I think that's the thing that most people can do. They can look at their kids, the kitchen, go through everything. And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry? How do you get rid of the things that are harmful? And if you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize, get rid of it. If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, don't eat it. You know, like it has weird ingredients, like multiple.
- [99:27]
Megyn Kelly
You or your kids.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Yeah, or your kids. Yeah, exactly.
- [99:29]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. So what you're saying is that my mom serving me wild berry hi C. With every meal was not exactly the best choice. No, probably not, Linda.
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Dr. Mark Hyman
Probably not.
- [99:40]
Megyn Kelly
This is where we went wrong. That's right. Dr. Mark Hyman. It's a pleasure.
- [99:44]
Dr. Mark Hyman
Pleasure.
- [99:44]
Megyn Kelly
Function Health is the name of the company. And you guys gotta check it out again. It's FunctionHealth. Right. FunctionHealth.com or Function.com FunctionHealth FunctionHealth.com A. Megan and that will get you a hundred dollars off your membership there. Well worth your time. Thank you all. Thanks and we'll talk to you tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.