Eliana Johnson (5:14)

Spins the pants off of some of.

Megyn Kelly (5:17)

These other women and the shirt off of one of the women that I can't really, frankly, I can't imagine. You can hear him overcome with emotion. According to the NBC affiliate in Denver, eight people, ages 52 to 88 were injured at least one. Seriously, in the attack. 88. 88. By my calculation, that means the person was born in the, what, like 1936 around there. Think about that. Think of what that person has lived through. I mean, I told you that this, this at least one. I don't know how many 88 year olds there were, but at least one of them is a woman and a Holocaust refugee who fled from Europe to escape the Nazis. Think of what that woman has seen in the course of her life. And now at nearly 90, she's burned in America by a Jew hater, by an anti Zionist. What, what are we coming to? How does that happen? On the streets of Boulder, of course, one of our most liberal cities. I mean, the guy, not for nothing, is like setting people on fire in front of a pride flag. In this image here, you see one of the victims, good Samaritans are surrounding her, trying to pour water on her. Oh, her body. Next to it is what looks like an Israeli flag. In front of her, you see a flyer with the face of a hostage and a US flag lying on the ground. She was out there to remind people that there are hostages who are suffering and she was made to suffer herself. The eyewitness also describing the injuries that the victim suffered. This is hard to listen to, but we must in order to understand exactly what this man did. One man, probably, if I had to guess, is probably in his like 50s and 60s, just kind of in shock and figuring out what he could do to make himself more comfortable. I mean, his leg, from ankle or foot all the way up to his buttocks was melted. His skin was melted basically off or shaved off his leg. Sorry, because I've talked about this a bunch in the last couple of hours and I'm not getting choked up as, again, as I did when I was there. And so there were, there were some deep cuts in a bunch of these people's legs, probably an inch, inch in diameter with, you know, blood coming out of them. This other woman had burned all over her hands, ankle, feet, elbows. They look stunned, confused. This is just so wrong. The suspect was caught on camera. The video was widely shared on social media. You almost couldn't believe your eyes and watching it. It was, I mean, I sent it to my team, like, is this it? This is. This happened. This guy, he's still out there, still threatening, still holding what appear to be bottles that are about to become Molotov cocktails, which is basically like a bottle of alcohol or gasoline with some sort of a starter inside of it, like a, like A rag that will catch on fire and then they light it. I mean, honestly, we just saw this in the Diddy case. There were testimony, there was testimony about how this rapper, Kid Cudi, his Porsche was firebombed by a Molotov cocktail. And the fire chief was on stand explaining exactly how it's done and how that one didn't go off to the extent it could have because they used a silk rag instead of, you know, sort of your bargain basement rag. And the silk, I guess was less flammable. But it's disturbingly easy for anyone to make one. And apparently this guy made many because when you're gonna see him on this, this tape we're about to play for you, he's already unleashed the carnage this is after. He's hurt the people. And what you see here, he, he's threatening more, he's got more bottles that he could potentially throw. And people seem to be coming, maybe they're just new passers by, seem to be coming to grips with the fact that this is a very dangerous man and he means business and he should not be approached. He cannot be subdued and get anywhere within the, the, the reach of those bottles and you could be the next victim. He's shouting. It's hard to hear, it's at points, but he is shouting, how many people have you killed? End Zionists. Palestine is free and they are killers. Watch. He's shirtless. We can't do nothing.

Eliana Johnson (10:03)

People are taking video right now. He was wearing an orange suit with like something on his back.

Megyn Kelly (10:21)

What we can't do when he's got multi package something, that's what he's got right here. Here's what we know now about the suspect. His name is Muhammad Salaman. He's 45. He came to the US from Egypt in 2022 on a non immigrant visa. He was supposed to leave the US six months later, but he never did. According to Fox's Bill Malusian, about one month after he overstayed his visa, the Biden administration gave him a work authorization to remain in the country until March 2025. March came and went of this year and he remained once again illegally in this country. Stephen Miller, President Trump's Deputy Chief of staff, said it best on X, writing, quote, no more hostile migration. Suicidal migration must be fully reversed. FBI Director Cash Patel wasted no time calling it a terror attack on X because he has eyes and ears. And a few minutes later, FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino followed up also calling it terror. Colorado's Democratic governor again as I mentioned called it an act of terror. It's not a particularly controversial thing to say, but Boulder's police chief, nearly three hours after the attack and after that video emerged on social media, still wasn't sure whether we could call it terror and really wasn't sure what the motive was. So I've been in contact with our local FBI multiple times. We are in contact with them here. We are not calling it a terror attack at this point. Again, it's way too early to speculate motive. You know, I know there's a lot out there on social media, but I ask people just to give us a little bit of patience while we work through a really complex scene. And, of course, that was all some in the national media needed in order to try to downplay this event. Listen to this person on CNN. Her name is Juliet Kayam. She's CNN's law enforcement analyst. They're using that term very loosely. She worked for the Department of Homeland Security during the Obama administration. It makes the FBI look so juvenile. Like, why are you getting ahead of the police chief who says, I don't know what this is? It sounds maybe it is what we all think it is, but maybe it's not. And he has no incentive to get it wrong. So we're going to take a step back, not be responsive to tweets by two heads of the FBI who don't have a long history in local law enforcement. And we wait. You're an idiot. And hope it isn't what we all worry it is. And if it is, then there'll be an investigation. But that was. That's like nothing I'd ever seen before. And until we know that the victims were members of that organ of the. Of the Jewish event, we don't have the nexus. And. And I will believe the Denver police chief that they do not have that nexus now. And if they do, I will be the first one out here saying that that is a hate crime. But until we do, we. We all need to. To not follow the FBI's tweets. You're an idiot. You're. You're a partisan hack idiot. It's juvenile to state what everyone can easily see and hear for themselves. Okay. It was death to. To Zionists shouting. They are killers. How many children have you killed on and on. Death to Zionist. It seems pretty on the nose. And let's see. Did he target a meeting of the NAACP so that we're kind of confused on the motive? No. He targeted a march that has been going on weekly now for years. That is in support of the Israeli and American hostages being held by Hamas. Seems kind of on the nose. I wouldn't call it juvenile to respond with this was a terror attack. Joining me now, the EJ's, Emily Jashinsky, who is the Washington correspondent for Unherd, and Eliana Johnson, who's the editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon. Since President Trump's election, the eyes of the nation have been on Mar a Lago and the free state of Florida. It's a thriving, booming place. 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And the, the, you know her, she's so pompous in delivering Eliana. Like the. I've never seen anything so juvenile. And these two are idiots, so don't follow their lead. We should just trust the local guy in Boulder like he's got something better up his sleeve. Like, we're unable to understand what death to Zionists mean from way over here in New York and Connecticut and D.C. where Dan and Cash are.

Eliana Johnson (16:24)

Well, it's amazing. I mean, just start with what is a terror attack. It is the targeting of civilians to achieve political aims or to push a government in a particular political direction. And all of us, like with Joe Biden's decline, could see very quickly after this event transpired on the Internet, videos of this man shouting his political motive, which were death to Zionist Free Palestine. So it was very clear, as you were saying, that this was an act of terror, as the FBI described it. And I'm not sure where the rule came from that you need to trust the local authorities over the, over the national authorities. I don't know.

Megyn Kelly (17:10)

It's very similar that we should Pay attention though. Yeah, it kicks in when the victims are Jewish. And no, I think that's the end of my list. That's when it kicks in.

Eliana Johnson (17:21)

I mean. But I will say the press last night was pretty quick to pick up on the guys out there chanting death to Zionists and, you know, kill all the Jews basically. And, and the media in reports in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal and elsewhere is saying the motive has yet to be determined. Like, yeah, we may never know why the guy did this.

Megyn Kelly (17:47)

You may never know.

Eliana Johnson (17:48)

Same, by the way, a couple of weeks ago when that young couple was gunned down outside of the Jewish professionals event, shouted free Palestine. And we got the same. You know, police are still trying to discover, you know, what the guy's motive was. It's total mystery.

Megyn Kelly (18:04)

We got the same after they firebombed the governor's mansion. Emily in Pennsylvania, a Jewish governor. And once again, the guy was shouting anti Semitic things and saying. He was saying, clearly he was firebombing the governor's mansion because he was upset about Josh Shapiro's stance on Israel. Like the only when it comes to Israel and Jews is the media really confused. Like we got to slow roll this. Not sure what the motivation actually was. It's plain as the nose on your face. Why do we need months of investigation when the person is saying, please believe me, I'm upset about these, quote, Zionists.

Emily Jashinski (18:43)

It's happened in cases of radical Islamists as well. You suddenly get a pause from the media and there has to be a steep period of reflection before we know what happens. And in this case, I mean, the video circulated immediately. Immediately. And I checked the timestamp of that CNN video that just rolled with the analyst. It was like 6pm East coast time. Give me a break. The video had been everywhere. That was somebody who was blinded by their deep hatred of Cash Patel and Dan Bongino, who's looking. Excuse to call them juvenile, basically. And to be honest, I have a big question for the police chief, which is why? Or for the local law enforcement, which is why in the hell is that man walking around without a shirt on? Not being. First of all, you're not protecting people who are marching for the hostages. This is a politically charged environment. They do it every week. Secondly, why is that guy not being arrested? Why is there so much subdued? Yeah, there's. I mean, I would say, you know, if there were able bodied men in the crowd, why aren't they tackling him to the ground? But why is he walking around for such a Long period of time. Why were people in a politically charged atmosphere not being protected? And then why for the federal government is a guy who is overstaying his visa being allowed to walk the streets like this? And obviously you have to. There's so many people that came into the country under the Biden administration. It takes time to track people down and to find people. But this is just, I mean, if you're a taxpayer in Boulder, my God, how infuriating.

Megyn Kelly (20:18)

Yeah. I mean, look what they're making the federal government go through to deport actual alleged killers and drug dealers and wife beaters and traffickers. This guy who just overstayed the visa and hates Jews like he's going to be down the list. We've got more terrible fish to fry before we get to this guy. But under Joe Biden, they were all welcome. That's fine. Open. It's an open door policy. Welcome. Or is auto pen. One of them really wanted all these terrible, terrible people in our country. And now they are. Here is former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe reacting to the news the other day or yesterday. Watch. This is the sort of thing that the FBI really can help out a local police department with providing manpower, technology and resources to do that sort of work. That's what the FBI does. We don't step in and take over and draw conclusions five minutes after the attack about what happened. We reach out to the local authorities. We provide people and we offer assistance in any way that we can. The bureau is there to help the first responders. Thank you so much to both of you. One thing we know for sure, certainly thinking about these victims and their families.

Eliana Johnson (21:34)

A truly horrific thing that has happened.

Megyn Kelly (21:38)

To them as we await. So no correction by the anchor. She doesn't care. She's totally fine with what the panelist said. He was on with that. Juliet Kayam. The FBI has no role in in designating something a terror attack. Eliana. That really they're just there in a supportive role and should let the locals label something terror. That's terror.

Eliana Johnson (22:02)

Well, to take a step back, you mentioned the these two other attacks, Megan, starting in April with the firebombing of Governor Josh Shapiro's mansion in Pennsylvania. Assailant who said that he did this to free Palestine. And then a couple weeks ago the young couple gunned down in the middle of Washington D.C. and then yesterday this incident in Boulder, Colorado. We do appear to have an epidemic of political violence linked to this particular cause. And that would seem given that it's happening playing out across the country and People are getting killed, maimed, hurt. This would seem to be a topic of particular interest for federal authorities. This is a real issue now.

Megyn Kelly (22:57)

The reason across the state lines. Yeah, not only that, but it's like you look back at, you know, Emily raises the issue of radical Islam. Well, when we saw ISIS inspired attacks popping up across America in various states and that that wasn't just a local issue for the folks down in Orlando to deal with. For example, of course the FBI was involved. They need to know, I mean, Joe Biden's FBI that both of these two defended and one of whom was part of it, wanted to investigate fucking parents at school board meetings. Emily. For going over their time when they had the microphones to object to some of the COVID lockdowns. That is not an exaggeration. That it was literally one of the incidents that was c by the FBI to justify its interference in these school board meetings. So it's only now that we see a guy burning 88 year olds saying exactly why he did it that they're saying, you know, a bit of caution. Let's just let the locals take the lead.

Emily Jashinski (24:00)

Well, and also, I mean, Andy McCabe, give me a break. The FBI was surveilling parishes that were doing Latin Mass like within the last five years. And he's defended the FBI the entire time. And also they're not being. The FBI is not being asked to convict anybody of being a terrorist just to say that we are investigating terrorism when you immediately have a video of somebody explicitly saying this is political. There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying we are investigating terrorism. This looks like terrorism. So to actually take issue with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino for like going and saying that they're investigating somebody's plain as day. The guy came out there and said that. Do they have any indications that he was being forced to say that or that he said that for some reason other than that it's his sincerely held belief because he was shouting it shirtless in the streets of Boulder while he was committing violence. I mean, it's just so stupid. It's such a silly, silly thing to say on tv.

Megyn Kelly (24:59)

It's just like they'll, the left wing press will run, they'll use that word terror. If it's a white on black crime, they will, they'll be quick to inflame all of the rhetoric around the cli. The, the crime and, and have absolutely no compunction about doing it. But when we know it's staring us in the face, they won't say it they won't do it. They won't call it a hate crime. Unless those are the stats right now. I mean, I don't know why this isn't the lead on virtually every paper in the country. This is a reading here from the New York Post, published this morning. The headline, six migrants charged in South Carolina Mom's Murder, detailed their crime in eerie text messages. Just the beginning, six illegal immigrants. The headline says migrants. We're talking about illegals. Six of them, ages 13 through 21, have been charged in connection with the South Carolina mother's, quote, random murder earlier this month. And they allegedly texted each other about the crime afterward. The Lancaster County Sheriff's Office down there located the victim, larisha Cherelle Thompson, 40 years old, deceased with a gunshot wound behind the wheel of her vehicle in Lancaster, which is about an hour south of Charlotte, North Carolina. It happened on May 12 that they announced the arrest of. I'm not even try to say these names, but There was a 21 year old, an 18 year old, a 17 year old and three juveniles ages 13, 14 and 15 in connection with her death. Here are three of them. They're illegals. They are here unlawfully committing crimes against American mothers, including this 40 year old. They said the the 6th district deputy solicitor, Melissa McGinnis, again quoting here from the Post, New York Post said all six suspects charged admitted to robbing a car during a May 14th hearing. As first reported by the Rock Hill Herald. In text messages allegedly exchanged between them after the murder, they used phrases, mission fail. And this is just the beginning. The text messages have been cited in open court and cite a complete lack of remorse by the defendants, said the Attorney General Charlie Condon. The evidence indicates a premeditated plan. After the murder was accomplished, there was no remorse whatsoever or any regret expressed by any of them for murdering this innocent lady. So they killed her because I don't know if they wanted her car or they wanted what was in her car. And then they realized that the car was locked and seemed to be like, oh shit, our plan went awry. Her car is locked, she's dead. And now we can't get what we want. The depravity is shocking. I mean, it's shocking. That's six. Not one, not two, not six individuals will partake in this crime. And not one of them seems even remotely remorseful. And I'm telling you, Emily, if those were six white American boys, same decedent, this story would be everywhere.

Emily Jashinski (28:10)

Yeah, that's right. And the other part of this, that's just it makes me crazy is when the pro immigrant groups, libertarian and left wing, will always regurgitate, and this is disputed, but they will always regurgitate their research that migrants to the country commit crimes at lower levels than the domestic population. I don't even want to get into whether or not that thing is. Whether or not that point is true. The only response to that is like, let's, let's take you at your word for it. Immigration advocates, open borders advocates, say that is true. You are bringing in desperate people who are destitute, do not have a lot of money, and are trying to find new ways to have money to buy all kinds of different things they need to survive, whether it's food or whether it's drugs, by the way. And of course, every single act committed against an American citizen by somebody who is not supposed to be here is too damn many. So it doesn't even matter. Take you at your word for it.

Megyn Kelly (29:10)

Why would we.

Emily Jashinski (29:11)

We have enough problems. Why do we need to deal with more problems caused by people who do not need to be here, who are desperate and are looking for different ways to survive? Because they don't have any money. I mean, it's just. And a lot of them are in debt to cartels. That's part of the last five years of mass immigration explosion is a lot of people come here, they pay cartels or they go into debt for cartels and then are forced to do all kinds of stuff to get that money back to pay off their debt so their relatives at home aren't killed so that something doesn't happen to them domestically. Just such an insane. I mean, it's so maddening what woman's family is going through. She was on her way to a birthday party. What the community is going through, I mean, it's a disaster.

Megyn Kelly (29:56)

She has two children. Two kids, Eliana. And these are six illegals from Honduras who were not only completely indifferent to the value of human life, but too dumb to walk around the rest of us on free and able to interact with us. They are accused of attempting to enter her vehicle and then fleeing the scene upon realizing it was locked. That's why they were texting. Oh, mission fail. Okay, so a young woman is dead and bleeding out in front of us. And what a fail. We couldn't get her car after all. Because I guess this is how the illegals roll in Honduras. I wouldn't know. It's not a country to which I'd like to visit. But they're running around amongst us. And now the ringleader we find out is was previously arrested just in 2023 for domestic violence, which is another theme we see emerging around these illegals who do not have the same standard of care when it comes to human life as your average American does. And yet we are spending every day arguing about what kind of a hearing we need to give them before we kick their asses out of here.

Eliana Johnson (31:15)

Can I just point out one similarity between this case and the Solomon case? We don't know all the facts of that case yet, but he's actually been charged with two counts of murder, even though nobody died in Denver. And those two counts are now a mystery. So we may learn, although we don't know, that he too had a prior law enforcement record and was let go. We just don't know. But that's what I'm seeing in reports that say the reports also don't know what that's about. But Megan, I think you're hitting on why illegal immigration and these deportations have been such a potent issue for the President. Because Americans read about cases like this and it's not, in this case, it's not one assailant, but six who are here illegally. And the feeling is just outrage. And when Democrats come with the fact that, well, actually on average illegal immigrants commit less crime than the average citizen, that just doesn't resonate as a counter argument because the feeling is that any single act committed shouldn't have been because these people shouldn't have been in the country in the first place. And it's why names like Lake and Riley become famous from coast to coast in this country and why the issue of immigration has become such a potent one for Donald Trump. From 2016 through. We're going on almost a decade, six months. It'll be a decade because people are.

Megyn Kelly (33:00)

That's exactly right. So I have got to play for you. Chris Cuomo, who, I'm sorry, he's trying to reinvent himself as like a more reasonable alternative to what he used to be. He's the same. He's the same. He's just trying to build an audience now with some occasional false moments of understanding the right wing. But this guy, I, I stood out there for President Trump and endorsed him the night before the election in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. And I said, because Trump was getting hit, because he said he would be a protector of women. And the Chris Cuomo's of the world, his side of the aisle jumped all over Trump saying he was being some somehow sexist in, in saying that and bringing up his past history with women when it Comes to affairs and alleged inappropriate exchanges sexually. And I stood up there and said what I believed, which was that he really would be a protector of women. And I mentioned Jocelyn Nungari, the little girl down in Texas, 12 years old, who was sexually assaulted and murdered by illegals. And I mentioned Lake and Riley. And I, I said, among many other examples, that these are reasons I believe President Trump will protect young women. He won't allow the opening of the border and mass influx of dangerous illegals who will kill and rape the most vulnerable among us, our girls, our young promising nursing students who only want to give back to communities like Lakin. And you know what Chris Cuomo did that night? Not only did he not take the remarks, which went live on all the cable channels when I spoke at the Trump rally, he insisted News Nation not take the remarks. And then he mocked the remarks. He mocked them. He mocked me. Oh, I need President Trump to protect me. As though it was something about me. As opposed to a 12 year old little girl who is dead in Texas or a girl who was 22 years old in Georgia who was killed by an illegal who we already nabbed in New York and then released and then put on a federally taxpayer funded plane down to Georgia where he could kill Lake and Riley. And so I'm sick of this guy's bullshit. So Chris Cuomo goes on the air Thursday on his podcast, which literally nobody's listening to other than my producers and, and says this about Lake and Riley and illegal immigration. Change how I feel about the parties. They are the problem. They are the root of this binary battle to the bottom. The division is almost exclusively manufactured. We are fighting over culture issues and controversies that are completely made up. We divide this country over a single homicide of somebody and it's absolutely wrong. What happened to Lake and Riley is horrible. It's one too many any way you want to look at it. But it is also an artificial issue. We have crime issues in this country. Our homicide problem is not from illegal immigrants. Okay, yeah, but there shouldn't be any. There shouldn't be any of a lot of things that we haven't made a top priority. The division is manufactured. Oh, go ahead, Emily.

Emily Jashinski (36:19)

But he can screw off because it's absolutely not fake. If you look at the numbers of people who cross into this country with criminal backgrounds that are not just people who have crossed the crime of crossing the country illegally and returning. If you look at people with histories of violent crime who have gotten into this country, there is plenty to sustain significant concern for that broader narrative. That there are significant numbers of criminals who have entered our border. And if you talked about the way people who work in law enforcement, it's sort of obvious, right, that the open borders have been exploited by people who wish to do terror, people who wish to do great harm to the American people. So there's an argument, right, that there are times that bad actors in the media will take an anecdote and blow it up into a national story. One example is when you poll people in the past, when people have been polled and said how unarmed black men are killed by police every year because of the media coverage, people will wildly overestimate the actual number. And so it's true that, like, media is very, very powerful.

Megyn Kelly (37:26)

But this is, by the way, on average is under 12, according to the Washington Post running tally of it, it's 11, 12, maybe 15 at worst. And they include unarmed people who are running down a police officer in a car, people who have a gun in the glove compartment. You're still considered unarmed by the Washington Post numbers. But in any event, it's a minuscule number of unarmed black men that are being shot by cops. Keep going. Right?

Emily Jashinski (37:51)

And no, the argument he's making is that people are blowing up isolated anecdotes into broader narratives. And in this case, to say that these are isolated anecdotes is absolutely insane. It's where you're actually can get that number spiraling out of control because it falsely gives people a sense of security that they should not have, whether it's terrorism or robbery.

Megyn Kelly (38:12)

The thing that. The thing that's driving me nuts about. I'll stay with you on this, Emily. The thing that's driving me fucking nuts about this point is there is no policy that allows cops to shoot unarmed black men. This is not something that's being encouraged or blessed in any city in America. But there is a policy in multiple cities and states across America, it's called sanctuary, to allow illegals who commit additional crimes not to be turned over to the feds for deportation once they're in the crosshairs. And maybe that's what's happening, Eliana, to this guy, Solomon, whatever his name is out in Colorado. Maybe that's why the two murders just popped up, because maybe he was arrested for something else and they didn't turn him over to the feds because they found he was an illegal and didn't want to see him deported by the big, bad, evil Trump administration. But. But this is what happened to Leak and Riley. What happened to Jocelyn Nungari. What. What happened out in Colorado. What happened to this poor woman here happened because of a policy that the, that Joe Biden put in place and the Democrats universally wanted, Emily, which is to open the borders irrespective of not knowing who the hell was coming in and defended repeatedly.

Emily Jashinski (39:29)

And I think it gets even worse when you consider that Democrats, part of them were so, some of them were just so co and so reflexively anti Trump that even policies that looked like Obama era when he was called by the left the deporter in chief, even policies that looked like that they had to be reflexively, aggressively against. And to say not only were these by their phrases cruel, but they were also necessarily rooted in bigotry. That is the reason that Joe Biden came into office, thought he was reading the mood of the electorate because it had been artificially, I guess it had artificially been represented by the media, which was completely out to lunch. Completely. Also in the same camp as many of those Democrats who are way too afraid to say anything that might make it look like they were agreeing with or empowering enabling Donald Trump. And it was that cowardice and stupidity and incompetence from the media and Democrats, Democrats suddenly signed onto the Lake and Riley act after Donald Trump won the election. I mean, it's just galling. They put themselves in this situation, they put the American people in this situation because they were too afraid, the media too, by the way, to repeatedly cover the story with level of importance that it deserved.

Megyn Kelly (40:42)

Here's Eliana, to your point that you just made. I was on Bill Maher about three weeks before I did that thing with Trump. I was on Bill Maher and we had a debate about illegal immigration and he raised the point you just raised about, you know. Well, you'll see. Watch, here it is. Here's part of it. Look, you want to know why I'm gonna vote for him notwithstanding what you said? And I'll give you a couple good reasons off the top of my head. Number one, what's happened with illegal immigration? I'm voting for him because I don't want any more Lake and Riley's. I don't want any more Jocelyn Nungaros, the 12 year old girl who was killed in Houston by two Venezuelan illegal immigrants who took her to a bridge and murdered her and threw her over the bridge. And Americans have ever done that? That's not the point. We have to take the Americans. We don't have to take it from Venezuelan illegals. That's it.

Eliana Johnson (41:38)

100%. But can I just say, I think you guys are being a little unfair to Joe Biden, blaming this on him. Not sure he actually made the decision after reading the Tapper Thompson book. And, you know, so.

Megyn Kelly (41:52)

Fair point.

Eliana Johnson (41:52)

Maybe we should, maybe, maybe we should say Ron Klain.

Megyn Kelly (41:55)

But, or Jill.

Eliana Johnson (41:56)

But Anyway. Yeah, exactly.

Emily Jashinski (41:58)

Dr.

Eliana Johnson (41:59)

It might be, it might be. Dr. Jill, we should really hold on the hook. Yeah. For these, for these open door immigration policies. But you know what? They, Bill Maher and Chris Cuomo and all of them like, keep on that argument, guys. Keep, keep it up. Because it is a loser. The American people aren't buying it and they're outraged by all of this stuff. And by the way, I mean, Boulder is a sanctuary city. So we don't know the full story of Muhammad Salman when he got there, why he was there. But they are reaping what they're sowing with this.

Megyn Kelly (42:39)

Yeah, exactly right. Let me read you, Eliana, what just came in. Trump just sent out a truth social about Boulder. Yesterday's horrific attack in Boulder, Colorado will not be tolerated in the United States of America. He came in through Biden's ridiculous open border policy, which has hurt our country so badly, he must go out. Under Trump policy, acts of terrorism will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This is yet another example of why we must keep our borders secure and deport illegal anti American radicals from our homeland. My heart goes out to the victims of this terrible tragedy and the great people of Boulder, Colorado. It's interesting. So Trump is coming in and going out on the illegal immigration aspect of this. And that's obviously one of the main things. Trump has also been amazing on trying to crack down on antisemitism where it exists on college campuses, which we haven't even talked to. But I mean, there hasn't been. Joe Biden did nothing, he did nothing to try to stop the harassment of Jews on college campuses. President Trump, who for some reason, American Jews still don't vote for him. They still vote Democrat, even though he's done more than any sitting president for the Jewish people. But he's out there. He's been battling on that front. He's been battling the, the illegal immigration front. And you tell me, Eliana, what's going to happen now with these numbers? Because Trump was winning illegal immigration Both, yes, on November 4, but for virtually every day thereafter up until very recently, where the numbers started to wobble a little, only a little. But these kinds of cases are a stark reminder of the stakes, the stakes that this debate is about. The open border policies, yes. But also the Deportations.

Eliana Johnson (44:26)

Right. And let me say dreaded words which are, let me just make one point before, before I get to that, which is that there's a connection between what's happen, happened on college campuses over the past, you know, since October 7, 2023, and these events in our cities, which is that for a year and a half, we've seen lawlessness and chaos on our college campuses targeted at Jewish students, including acts of violence, the storming of buildings, the breaking of windows, the breaking of laws without much consequence. We've had had police presence on campuses, required students arrested, and then they're brought into court and they're let off. Virtually none of them have been sanctioned in any meaningful way. And I think that sent a message to these political activists, in this case students, but also some adult outside activists, that they can target Jews and pro Israel activists with impunity. And that message has clearly been received by outsiders who are now taking that sort of behavior and targeting people. In the case of the D.C. couple, these people were just out of college, 26 and 30 years old. And now older people, we see a direct line of political violence from our college campuses. More petty type violence, but extremely disruptive, where graduation ceremonies, and in Columbia's case, the end of the school year was canceled to violence in American cities targeting political figures and civilians. And that's because the message has been sent that you will pay no consequences. And so I think it's incumbent now on the federal government to send the message that they're going to enforce laws and the perpetrators will pay consequences.

Megyn Kelly (46:23)

Mm. The, the sanctuary city thing is huge. Trump has been trying to press past it, Emily. You know, he'll send Tom Homan into any, any city. And Tom Homan has been saying, you want to be a so called sanctuary for illegals. That's just. It's gonna make it harder for us, but it's not gonna stop us. You know, it's gonna make it more painful for your entire community when we get there, because you're not gonna cooperate. Could get ugly. You know, you're not gonna like what you. What you're gonna see. Well, they went to Martha's Vineyard, Martha's vineyard, where Ron DeSantis sent a busload of illegal immigrant immigrants. And they said, oh, fine, fine, fine. And they shipped them out of there and under, what, 48 hours, it was like 30 hours, something like that. They got rid of them. And then you had these woke leftist women coming out saying, we missed them. We were going to go visit them at the detention facility, to which they had them shipped. Oh, I'm sure you're really sad. Well, now they're doing the same song and dance as the residents there are really sad. They're super sad and angry that ICE had the nerve to come into their community and arrest 40 illegals. Listen to this. I think it could be any of us next. Martha's Vineyard resident Jane Katch held a sign yesterday at the Vineyard Haven terminal warning visitors. The island has a history of supporting people who are different, supporting immigrants. Everyone in this, this country is entitled to due process, whether they have paperwork or they don't. So they have a history of supporting the immigrants for like a good 24, 25 hours, Emily, until they become kind of annoying and start marring the coastline and then they have to go.

Emily Jashinski (48:01)

Well, the thing is, Megan, they didn't have room. They did not have enough room. There's much more room in New York City, here in Washington, D.C. you know, much less crowded places than Martha's Vineyard. You know what, Listen, is she right about due process? Of course. But in these cases, time after time, we see there's so much due process involved, not all of them. There are some cases where I've had an issue with the way that the Trump administration has handled them. But in many of these cases, the migrants have been given an abundance of process over all of this. And then in the case of, like Lake and Raleigh, for example, you have somebody who ends up reoffending. And you know, sanctuary cities, sanctuary jurisdictions are the least humane places in the country when it comes to immigration enforcement. Because what you have is this desperate and tragic sort of subsection of society, the shadow society, where people get, they're incredibly desperate. They are afraid, for example, to report cases of domestic abuse, which is something we've seen come up in these high profile cases. And they live in fear, they live with uncertainty and precarity in some cases for years and years, in some cases for decades. Which if we're just sticking on this from the perspective of the migrant communities, is completely inhumane. Even though the most, the people who say that they're the most humane in the world, like I think her name was Jane in that clip, that's what they want to subject people to. But secondly, for the taxpaying citizens that sustain the police forces, the law enforcement that then has to deal with this, that have to deal with the tax paying citizens, who have to deal with the housing increase, housing price increases, with all of the downstream, with paying for the social safety net, with paying for the money that goes to the NGOs I mean, it's inhumane across the board and we've been told for years to say that it's actually inhumane to oppose those policies. It's insane. It's insane. And I think the lie has finally become apparent.

Megyn Kelly (49:55)

Yeah, you're exactly right. I think we do have time for sat 26. Let's play it. This is from 2022, Martha's vineyard. It.

Eliana Johnson (50:04)

The difficult challenges are.

Megyn Kelly (50:09)

We have at some point in time they have to move from here to somewhere else. Right. We, we cannot, we don't have the services to take care of 50 immigrants.

Emily Jashinski (50:19)

And 50, we certainly don't have housing. We're in a housing crisis as we.

Megyn Kelly (50:23)

Are on this island.

Emily Jashinski (50:24)

And so we don't, we can't house.

Megyn Kelly (50:27)

Everyone here that lives here and works here. We don't have housing for 50 more people. But they need to stay. But just not, not here. But they, they definitely need to stay. That's the, that's the bottom line. Emily.

Emily Jashinski (50:41)

Oh, yeah. No, there's just not enough room. There's not enough room. Send them to Brooklyn where there's plenty of room. Midtown Manhattan, plenty of room.

Megyn Kelly (50:48)

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Eliana Johnson (54:40)

Come in, the water's warm. Jamie.

Megyn Kelly (54:43)

Right.

Eliana Johnson (54:44)

You know, it's not, it's not the first time though the you recall, you may have covered, you probably covered it on your show, Megan, when he talked about coming back to the office from COVID and said seven freaking days a week, everybody needs to come back. But frankly, I have to say what he sounded like in that clip was simply speaking common sense. And that's why I actually think Trump's message resonated with so many people and the Democrats message of, I mean they didn't really have a message on immigration at all is why they lost the election. And so many of their messages simply were out of touch with regular people. I wouldn't say that what Jamie Dimon just said was some, you know, particularly Republican message that we need to have a sensible immigration policy and that help the bottom 20%. Yeah. Elect. He mentioned electric vehicles. The Biden administration used billions of dollars ported into EVs and then built five charging stations. So nobody saw anything come of that money.

Megyn Kelly (56:03)

But I think, look, in their defense, they tried to solve that on that by ruining Tesla. So you can't be so hard on them. They came up with a solution to their own problem. They would just destroy their least favorite EV company.

Eliana Johnson (56:18)

Totally. Like people have voted with their feet on gas powered cars for now and seem to be fairly happy with that. And using the, using the federal government to try and try and push them in a different direction fecklessly because they spent the money on nothing with a green New Deal wasn't particularly effective. So he's talking like basically a common sense business guy. And that's actually the reason Republicans won, is what he said was sensible.

Emily Jashinski (56:51)

He's also keeping his DEI and ESG programs at JP Morgan quietly in the background, which is also fairly amusing because I don't think he understands exactly how the trickle down effect of that goes to making some of these problems a lot worse.

Megyn Kelly (57:06)

Right. His bank has been part of the problem. There is no question. I know plenty of people at all these big banks and they talk to me. They won't say it in front of a microphone, but they all talk to me and tell me exactly what's happening. And JP Morgan is part of the problem when it comes to DEI and breaking the law. Breaking the law. It's illegal to hire or fire somebody based on the color of their skin. It can't be a factor. It can't be the factor. And if you think Your company is doing that, you should report them because it's illegal. You should sue them. Here is why that this all the issues we've been discussing and some outlined by Jamie Dimon there. I think this latest poll by cnn, which we highlighted on AM Update today, shows the following. Among all Americans, the party that has strong leaders, only 16% of Americans say the Democrats have strong leaders. 16 40% of Americans say the GOP has strong leaders. The party that gets things done, only 19% say it's the Democrats. Democrats double that say it's the gop. Among Democrats only just polling Democrats. Now, how many of you would describe your own party as having strong leaders? 32%. To Republicans, how many of you would describe your party as having a strong leader? 82%. Think of that. 82%. There is a 50 percentage point difference between the two parties on strong leaders. That means the Democrats have no one. They have no one party that gets things done. Let's see. Among Democrats saying, does your party get things done? Only 41% said, yes, my party gets things done. Republicans, almost 80%, 77% say, our party gets shit done. We're good. And independents seem unhappy with everybody, not surprisingly. So this is, this doesn't spell good news for Team Blue, Emily. And no one is surprised to see this because they've been in complete disarray and just keep recirculating clips of Jasmine Crockett.

Emily Jashinski (59:19)

Yeah, that should do it. Well, the one thing that Joe Biden and Donald Trump and the Biden allies and the Trump allies agree on is actually that Joe Biden was able to do a lot in a short span of time. He had some signal, he had some signature legislative accomplishments. That makes this even more of a disaster for Democrats when you think about the fact that they just passed several massive pieces of legislation which I would argue contributed significantly to inflation, but nevertheless, they are still very proud of that record. So they passed these big bills. This is massive spending, an industrial policy basically. And yet everyone's looking around and saying the Republicans are the ones that get things done. I mean, that is, is an incredible disaster for Democrats because even if I disagree with them, they definitely did shit during the Biden administration. Just a whole lot of it was fairly destructive. So, yeah, I can't, I mean, I don't understand how you, how you come out of those four years with these numbers. That's horrible.

Megyn Kelly (60:20)

To the point Eliana was making later. You know, I, maybe they're being too hard on Joe Biden because, you know, like, I'm not sure he, he, his auto pen seemed to have been very strong. His wife seems extremely strong. Very unlikable, but very strong. And I would say Joe Biden himself would take issue with him not being counted as a strong leader. He was asked some questions at a Memorial Day event in Delaware. First, there was someone who asked a question of him that he didn't like. But the woman he's about to respond to is not the reporter who asked the question he didn't like. And yet he decided to berate, berate some female reporter on Friday. Watch. I feel like everybody expects I've done it all because I'm loyal. I do it every damn year. Never forget where I came from. That's why I don't. Was he gonna kiss her or was he yelling at her for the listening audience? He kind of bends down to get to the level of this female and like leans over right to like the, where I am with the microphone, like right to her to make his point. And then in the second sound bite, ladies, he gets asked a generic question about his health and he threatens to beat up some people. Watch.

Eliana Johnson (61:43)

There's also been a lot of discussion.

Emily Jashinski (61:45)

Recently about your mental, mental and physical capabilities while you were in office.

Megyn Kelly (61:50)

You can see that I'm mentally incompetent and I can't walk and I can beat the hell out of both of them. But I think he means Tapper and Thompson. Not sure that was his effort to prove to us, Eliana, that he's all there. Thoughts?

Eliana Johnson (62:06)

I mean, it's amazing that the response of Team Biden to the allegations in the book, but also to his failures on the public stage over the past four years are to continue putting him out there. I mean, they went on, they put Biden on the View to Pre, but the book where Dr. Jill had to finish his sentences and then he's out here, I don't know exactly where he was. And he said this, like this 82 year old, frail guy who was just diagnosed with stage four cancer is going to beat up two younger men. I mean, it's like pathetic.

Emily Jashinski (62:44)

Granted, they are reporters, they're surprised.

Megyn Kelly (62:48)

Is he. He did say in this interview that he feels good and quote, all the folks are very optimistic. The expectation is we're going to be able to beat this regarding his cancer diagnosis. So that's good. I mean, nobody wants to see him suffer with prostate cancer or certainly die before it's his time. So. Good. Glad to hear that. Not sure what else is happening there though. The man, he would have been our president now if we had listened to the Democrats like if, if, if Trump didn't take him down in that debate and by taking him down, I mean just being quiet and letting him speak, he could be our president now. I mean it's truly terrifying. Now I touched on facetiously the Biden administration trying to ruin Elon and certainly the Democrats have been trying to ruin Elon since he signed up for Team Trump and joined the Trump administration as head of Doge. And that's officially done now. Doge is not done. But Elon Musk, you know, full time work as a special government employee is now over on schedule. You only get 130 days. It can be renewed. By the way, that's what they kept doing with Anita done that. That's a way of getting around having to get, give your financial statements because when you work for the feds you have to give all your financials but you can just keep renewing one of these special government employee things and you never have to renew them. Anita Anywho, he left and is going back to his many, many companies and here is how the folks over on MSNBC described his departure. Sat 29 he was, he didn't just leave. He's not, he's not just slipping out of Washington. He was chased out of Washington by democracy, by people saying no, by people protesting so much around his cars and dealerships that he lost billions and billions of dollars. Others, by people raising their voices, by people filing lawsuits. Adnan Girardias, who's also an NYU professor and MSNBC contributor, chased out of Washington by democracy.

Emily Jashinski (64:47)

Emily oh, that is so funny. Actually, Elon Musk was a huge part of the Democratic get out the vote effort in November. So I mean that would have been a fun conversation to have on MSNBC as well. But it's just funny. I mean, like, like there's actually some really interesting things that you can talk about when it comes to Elon Musk. But part of the, like the Biden or I'm sorry, the Trump era, Trump 2.0 era attacks on the administration itself had just been to flatten Elon Musk into a caricature. And I mean they are celebrating now. They say democracy when they just mean themselves. Like anytime they're talking about elites, they say democracy. Like it was chased out by democracy. It was the people. Yeah.

Megyn Kelly (65:37)

So that there is a great example of that that my team queued up. Eliana of Nicole Wallace, not content to have a failing show on msnbc, has now launched what's sure to be a failing podcast and her first big get was Rachel Maddow. Okay, Her. Her nightly pal for the past 10 years or what have you over at that network. And would you take a listen to these two naval gazers talking about their role in society? Listen to this. It's SOT 10. A friend sent me a meme the other day. It was like a Paddington meme. And it was. The caption was born to Dilly Dally forced to fight fascists. You had me at Dilly Dally.

Eliana Johnson (66:22)

The election was coming to an end, and the stories that we covered became so real. And in my scary moments, like, you were my lifeline and the person that I've always called. And I feel now like we're doing the actual work, and I feel a little less scared.

Megyn Kelly (66:37)

It's just kind of a reminder that, like, we've been talking about and worrying about the edge of the cliff for so long. And so now we have experienced what the edge of the cliff is like and what it's like to be in midair. And we are now in the canyon on the other side of the cliff, and we are seeing what life is like there in the middle of a fascist takeover. What happens is there's a fascist takeover and you have to keep still doing the work. Then you are a person who's fighting an existing fascist authoritarian government and not just warning about it. Okay, got it. Born. Born to dilly dally, but forced to fight fascists. That's what they're up to.

Emily Jashinski (67:24)

It's too painful.

Eliana Johnson (67:26)

I mean, that's probably the best guess she. She may get. I mean, Rachel is the highest rated anchor on that network, and I have a feeling it's downhill from here. But they sound. They seem to be in pretty good spirits for fighting a fascist takeover.

Megyn Kelly (67:42)

Maybe.

Emily Jashinski (67:42)

Maybe she can get Steve Schmidt and they can. Since it's. The show is called the Best People, they can talk about how they orchestrated a misogynistic takedown of Sarah Palin behind the scenes of the McCain campaign. Since there is this a show about good people, virtuous people. I think that would be a good point.

Megyn Kelly (67:59)

Yeah, I like that. Or like the Best people. Maybe she'll book Doug Emhoff, you know, who her colleague at MSNBC interviewed and didn't see fit to raise the allegation made by a woman who had dated him from. For a long time that he. He beat her. You know, he denied it, but would have been something some might have considered newsworthy. Is he. Is he one of the best people? I don't know.

Eliana Johnson (68:22)

Maybe Kilmar talk to them too. I want to know how to get paid like, I want to get paid like Rachel Maddow for fighting a fascist takeover one night a week.

Megyn Kelly (68:30)

Yeah, it's good times.

Eliana Johnson (68:32)

Podcast appearance and then you can go.

Megyn Kelly (68:34)

Out, you can rip your network to shreds talking about how that gig terrible they are when they cancel racist people like Joy Reid. You can just lament how bad your network is while you're cashing their checks, not actually doing anything to it. By the way, note to you guys, MSNBC's new primetime lineup. Because Rachel, you know, she, she couldn't do that five day a week thing. She couldn't fight the fascism five days a week. It's a one day a week kind of job. You know, it's just like, it's so exhausting. Just that one hour took so much out of her. So she, she couldn't. I'm sorry. She just couldn't, couldn't. You know, it's just like, just like the guys at Normandy. Some of them couldn't keep going past the, like the actual beachhead. They couldn't go up the hill. That's her. So now the lineup has been adjusted and Jen Psaki is in there and failing. Failing miserably. Their new PrimeTime lineup debuted May 5, and according to Mediaite, it is, quote, failing to connect. I agree with that term. Overall for May, MSNBC dropped 41% in the demo, 34% in the total day numbers. Compared to May of last year, in total viewers, the network was down. Hold on, down 41% in the primetime demo. Oh, 34% in the daytime demo. In total viewers, the network was down 33% across all day and down a quarter 24% in prime time. MSNBC's total daytime demo viewership sank to 49,000 on average people. That's slashies. Under 50,000 is slashies. Trust me, I was in Cable News for 17 years. What you get is slashies. When you read the ratings. When you're under 50,000, they don't even give you the number on the Nielsen numbers. You just see slashies, which you know means you're a loser. If you could turn those two little lines in different directions and come up with loser. So they're down to an average across the daytime of 49,000 and just 73,000 in the primetime. They're not even breaking a hundred thousand in the key demo in primetime. Let me just give you an example. When Hemmer and I launched America's newsroom In 2007, we were getting about 1.3 million in the overall and about 300 plus thousand in the key demo. This is back 20 years ago, right? 20 years ago we were getting about 300,000 in the key demo at 9am and now here they are in prime time. Not even breaking a hundred thousand in the prime time. My friends, her show is not even breaking a million in total viewers at 9pm I was at 9pm Trust me, it's. It's a great place to go for ratings. She can't even break a million. I. That, that's unbelievable. 973,000 total viewers she's averaging since launch, which is almost, which is 46% less than the average that the people had been watching to see. Madden, so Maddow does. She's beloved by those leftists and Psaki is not. Psaki's number is actually even down 20% from that absolute moron Alex Wagner, who as far as I can tell was literally only put there because she has a pleasant face. 20% down from Alex Wagner's average during the same period in 2024. CNN Primetime. But for what it's worth moving to networks now, CNN PrimeTime drop dropped 18% in total viewers, 21% in the total demo. Year over year, the CNN primetime average, prime time average. Okay, now when I was there, we were like 4 million, 5 million, whatever, definitely 3 million. They're pulling those numbers now under Trump, CNN's primetime average, 426,000 viewers. Holy shit, that's, that's terrible. People are definitely going to get fired. They're going to get salaries slashed. You cannot continue to exist with these numbers. Eliana, thoughts on whether it should?

Eliana Johnson (72:51)

Well, it's interesting, you know, I was at Fox for a few years starting in 2008, and I remember the talk that was the beginning of the Obama administration being that it's really great to be in the opposition. Now Fast forward to 2024. Fox's ratings are up anyway, though they're not in the opposition. And what should be a boon for MSNBC and CNN being the opposition, and CNN of course, experienced this in 2016, their ratings are in the toilet. And Jen Psaki, by the way, was their big recruit out of the Biden White House. She was supposed to be the primetime star and they got rid of Alex Wagner. And it, it does look like their programming experiment has been a complete and utter failure in this regard. And I think it's a combination of the cable news business collapsing because people just aren't watching, you know, cable news anymore and just bad, uninteresting programming. And it's hard to get beyond that.

Megyn Kelly (73:54)

Let me tell you. Let me stay on CNN for one second, Emily, because cnn, Jake Tapper's been on this book tour. He's everywhere. I mean, he's gotten on every left wing show that there is to get on because they're all interested in whitewashing their own complicity by pretending. I learned about it in this Jake Tapper book. Ever since I learned about in the book, I was totally on the Biden mental acuity story because I was shocked, shocked to read about it. And then I realized I needed a report on it. That's them. Okay. Tapper's show has been getting a ton of publicity and it has hit its lowest ratings in 10 years, its lowest rating since 2015, reports Fox's Brian Flood. Despite all the buzz around his book and his intense publicity tour, his lowest rated month in a decade, in May, he averaged 525,000 total viewers, which is, I guess, slightly above average for CNN. And he shed 25% of his audience from the same period last year. Fox News in their, their same period in this time slot is getting 3.3 million and he's getting 500,000. MSNBC was getting 1 million. And in the key demo, he's averaging under 100,000. Again, only 95,000, which tells me no one's buying this. He's not getting some surge of like, this reporter's in on things. He's in the know. You know, with all due respect to Jake, like, people are not buying it.

Emily Jashinski (75:33)

That's exactly right. No, and I think that's really important point, actually. These are beyond embarrassing numbers. These are like, stop showing up at cocktail party in Georgetown numbers. But they're actually. But nobody will, right? Because the only people that are still on that circuit are the people who have no humility. And I think that's actually why Tapper, in order to sell this book, has come out with this total faux humility.

Megyn Kelly (75:58)

And he keeps using that word.

Emily Jashinski (76:00)

Yeah, because I think Glenn Greenwald said this on Tucker Show. He was like, it's clearly coming from the crisis PR firm that just planted it in his brain to use the word humility. And the reason is that is why CNN and MSNBC are currently getting their butts kicked by like progressive YouTubers and progressive X users, whatever it is, that are just bringing in podcasters, that are bringing in still behind the right on some of this stuff, but bringing in more and more viewers. It's because they so many people realize that actually Rachel Maddow's coverage of Trump 1.0, and the Lawfare was bad. Like, it has aged really, really poorly. Msnbc, cnn, their coverage of COVID has aged really, really poorly. And it's just these sort of cultural progressive circle. It's just those people left, the people who are still, like, masking up, who are watching CNN and MSNBC and thinking like, this is. Yes. Oh, it's so wonderful when Rachel Maddow and Nicole Wallace, you know, talk about fighting fascism, whatever it is, people realize that even these networks that they were suddenly subscribing to and watching nightly, like a Stephen Colbert over and over again during Trump 1.0, the coverage was bad, bad. And so they have no humility about it. And now they're realizing. End of Biden, another good example. And now they're. They're realizing it and they're trying to pretend that they have some authenticity and humility, but they actually have none. And that's really unappealing to viewers who, like, you know, left or right, you just want to feel like you're getting decent information. You don't feel like you're being lied to. So people feel like that with these guys.

Megyn Kelly (77:33)

You don't feel like you're being made dumber as a result of watching the show. I would submit to you, Eliana, that the reason MSNBC is. Is struggling so mightily is many, many instances, just like this watch. He. He might misplace a word here and there, but you talk to him for hours at a time. Is he slower? Does he move slower? Yeah, he's moved slower. He's stiffer? Yeah, he's moved stiffer. Have trouble walking sometimes? Yeah, so did fdr. I've said it for years now he's coding. But I undersold him when I said he was cogent. He's far beyond cogent. In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been. Starting your tape right now, because I'm about to tell you the truth and ask you if you can't handle the truth. This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever. Not a close second. And I've known. We got it. The present. That's enough. That's the reason, Eliana, those examples Emily just gave and that, like, you don't survive that. You. You just don't.

Eliana Johnson (78:46)

I don't know. I don't know. Megan, I think you're assuming that. That these people are capable of embarrassment and that their audiences expect honesty.

Megyn Kelly (78:57)

Well, then why are their numbers down?

Emily Jashinski (78:59)

Even people who judge is saying they got Covid wrong. New York Times.

Eliana Johnson (79:04)

Everyone's saying they got everything wrong, but I don't actually. I think there's not a lot of good news for Democrats.

Megyn Kelly (79:11)

No, but I disagree. I disagree. I have been in the so called opposition many years on Fox. I was there for all of Obama. I was a news anchor at Fox News for the entirety of Barack Obama's term. Term. Those were some lean years. Editorially, he was beloved by much of the country. He had very high approval ratings. Republicans didn't absolutely love him and he did very controversial things that drew eyeballs at times like Obamacare. But he was kind of boring a lot of the time. And yet Fox News continued to stay number one because there's always something to talk about if they trust you and you know how to do good television. And MSNBC has neither of those two things going for it. Go ahead.

Eliana Johnson (80:01)

Yeah, I think, I think there's a lot to that. At the same time, I just, I don't see any kind of course correction coming here. I mean, this goes back to, look, Scarborough is like the only thing that network has going for it. Where, where do they turn now? And whoa. And they've been wrong. This is not just msnbc. This is the New York Times, the mainstream media writ large. And it's why alternative outlets are thriving. They've been wrong on Covid. They were wrong on the big Russia gate story and they didn't cover at all Biden's decline. And so they were wrong on the three biggest stories of the past last five years, six years. And it is pretty hard to survive when you're supposed to be in the business of giving people news.

Megyn Kelly (80:56)

Yeah, like facts, actual facts. They were also wrong, by the way, responses.

Eliana Johnson (81:01)

People are the people who most got things wrong are promoted. There's no penalty within those organization.

Megyn Kelly (81:08)

Rachel Maddow, you get $30 million a year for lying to her audience. They were also wrong about, about Elon Musk doing a Nazi salute. All of them in the left wing press went with that. Ms. Like all of them, every single print publication, we pulled it. And that got so much attention when he made that gesture at the Trump rally, which was his hand on his heart and then motioning outward and they all said, Nazi salute. Nazi salute. And then what happened on Saturday was this. Cory Booker, beloved senator from New Jersey, went to the Dem convention there and gave his own Nazi salute. Look at this. It's exactly what Elon Musk did. He puts his hand on his heart and gestures out to the crowd. And no sane person thinks that Cory Booker actually did a Nazi salute. We recognize it wasn't a Nazi salute and neither was Elon Musk's. Neither one did a Nazi salute, but one suffered nonstop coverage in the press about their Nazi salute and one did not. I'll give you guys a guess which one didn't get any of that nonsense rained down upon him. Trying to find this in my thing. Okay, here it is. Now we checked. As of noon yesterday, there was no coverage of Cory Booker's quote Nazi salute in the New York Times, in cnn, Washington Post, msnbc, npr, USA Today, Reuters, Axios, Associated Press, Newsweek or the Daily Beast. Those last two only referenced it to point out that MAGA melts down over Cory Booker's quote Nazi salute. That's the Daily Beast and Newsweek. MAGA accuses Democratic Senator Cory Booker of doing Nazi salute. But let me just give you a contrast. Those same publications I'm going to run through after Musk did literally the exact same gesture. New York Times it looked a lot like the salute used in Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy. CNN let's see. Aaron Burnett Our viewers are smart. They can take a look at that. But it certainly was. It's not something you typically see in an American political rally, let's put it that way. Washington Post Musk sparked controversy with gesture resembling a Nazi salute MSNBC Musk condemned for gesturing for a gesture resembling a Nazi salute NPR to many observers, Musk's arm movement appeared to be a Nazi salute. USA Today Elon Musk's odd looking salute sure look like a Sig Heil to me. Reuters Musk's hand gesture while he spoke during a celebration of Trump drew online comparisons to a Nazi salute. Axios, Musk and Tesla remain untouchable after Nazi salute accusations. Associated Press Musk's straight arm gesture embraced by right wing extremists regardless of what he meant. By the way, AP's most recent article on Cory Booker, it's all about how he expanded upon his historic Senator Senate floor speech for his new book Stand. Nothing, nothing about the salute. Stand and salute. They forgot that part. Newsweek I told you about Daily Beef Democrats, no tweets about Cory Booker from aoc, who immediately attacked Elon Musk back in January, which I think we have, right? We have her. Let's listen to what AOC said about the exact same gesture from Elon.

Eliana Johnson (84:40)

I don't care what Elon Musk is.

Emily Jashinski (84:42)

Doing behind a presidential seal in this country.

Eliana Johnson (84:47)

We hate Nazis.

Emily Jashinski (84:49)

Kind of like a foundational defining thing.

Eliana Johnson (84:52)

That we beat the Confederacy and we beat The Nazis. And I don't know what side people may be on today, but I still am not rocking with anyone sympathetic to Nazis. And I will do that until I am six feet in the ground, like, kind of foundational to me as a human being. And so if you're cool and want to defend the Sig Hales and the Nazi salutes, all the. All the, you know, whatever you want to do, that's on you.

Megyn Kelly (85:30)

I'm on the opposite side of that.

Eliana Johnson (85:32)

I'm not with the Nazis.

Megyn Kelly (85:33)

How about that? Well, okay. Me neither. Let's do this. AOC I got a live one for you. His name is Cory Booker, and he is ready to take it like a man. Oh, wait. Oh, it's. Wait, I'm sorry. AOC has done it, too. Here. Here she is. The. It's kind of a conflict of interest, ladies. I don't know who would like to take this one.

Eliana Johnson (85:55)

Well, can I just say, I wish these people brought the same passion and the same ferocity to bear on the lunatic in Denver who's actually firebombing. Yeah, Jews trying to hold a vigil for hostages is. And the lunatic who gunned down two young people outside a pro Israel event. But there, you know, they know exactly what was going through Elon's head when he held his arm up.

Megyn Kelly (86:25)

Right.

Eliana Johnson (86:25)

With these other people, they. They can't figure out the motive. Like, we can't get ahead of that. So I wish. I wish they could touch your day. But the other people.

Megyn Kelly (86:35)

It's a very good point. They're all doing Nazi salutes. We will show the video. We've got Elizabeth Warren, we've got Kamala Harris. We've got, like I said, AOC and others. So I don't. I guess I'm not sure how it works. Like, they. Elon's a Nazi, but Kamala's not a Nazi, and Corey's not a Nazi. I'm sure you and I are Nazis. Like, I'm not sure what the logic is here, Emily, but can you believe not one of these news agencies has tried to pull this trick with Cory Booker? Not to mention Liz Warren, AOC etc. Etc.

Emily Jashinski (87:12)

The thing that's interesting about the Booker video, and it's just so. It sounds so silly to even be talking in granular detail about these videos. But they were like, that one is basically apples to apples with the musk salute. And at the time, I disagreed with some of my friends on this. I mean, for me, it was just like the volume of coverage was. I'm Glad we just looked back on some of it because it was such a frenzied news cycle predicated on this idea that Elon Musk had just definitively shown his true colors as a Nazi on stage. And now the fascism was naked and open and the bigotry was just in full public view. How could you possibly think anything other than that Elon Musk was paying homage to the Nazis? And the volume of the coverage I just thought was completely ridiculous. Like, again, I had people, friends who disagreed with me on whether or not it was a Nazi slit. I thought it was obviously him just being weird. And I took a lot of flack for it at the time. But you can look at so many different people doing these gestures over time. And even if you think that maybe Elon Musk was like, just take that argument. Say, maybe he was giving some secret sign to white supremacists and neo Nazis, really, you think that on stage Elon Musk was actually like giving. Like, it doesn't make. Like the argument just never made sense.

Megyn Kelly (88:28)

To just like the thing about Pete Hegseth allegedly drinking scotch while giving one of his. His first, first speech, you know, after he said he wouldn't let alcohol touches. But, you know, right here in front of everybody. Bottoms up, keep going.

Emily Jashinski (88:40)

Right, right. No, no, I just think that's like.

Megyn Kelly (88:42)

Look at this, look at this. Somebody on Twitter put this together. Look at them side by side.

Emily Jashinski (88:46)

That is apples to apples. Like, it's. You know, again, even if you think that Elon Musk is a neo Nazi, the idea that he's going out on stage and openly doing a Sig Heil with the President of the United States who has Jewish grandchildren, and it just doesn't make any sense to me. To me. So, like this massive explosion of coverage where we had a frenzied multi day news cycle over Elon Musk openly paying homage to the Nazis, it was just so such a waste of time.

Megyn Kelly (89:15)

And the Media Research center did one of those analyses, Eliana, about what kind of coverage Elon got and what kind of coverage Pete got. And it was both universally negative. I think it was. It was actually 100% negative in the case of Pete. And maybe 99 and Elon, my team will correct me, but they were both above 97%. I mean, it was insanely negative for both. That's why Elon has to be a Nazi. But Cory Booker has written a new book called Stand. Wow. It's parlaying off of his historic filibuster where he never stood and stood up for the rest of us.

Eliana Johnson (89:54)

Yeah, historic. You think 10 years from now or five years from now, two years from now, six months from now, we're all going to remember, we're all going to remember the big history making speech that he, that he then used to fundraise off of and write a book off of. And I can't wait to know what, how much this publisher gave him an advance for to write the book was. It was all for history.

Megyn Kelly (90:21)

Yeah, that's right. He's historic and that's all you need to know. And by the way, Elon must be destroyed. Kia Tesla bomb. A Tesla. But don't buy a Tesla. That's the left today. But if they just study the syntax of young men, they could find a way back. This is really actually the conversation that they're having right now on the left. More with the EJ's straight ahead. Don't go away. More and more Americans are prioritizing their health, health and getting back in shape. But diet and cardio alone are not enough. If you really want to build muscle and burn fat, you must do strength training. Introducing Jacked Up Fitness. Their all in one home gyms are already best in class. And their all new X series elevates home fitness to a whole new level. The Power Rack Pro X functional trainer lets you do hundreds of exercises, basically everything you used to do at the gym, all from the comfort of your own spare room or garage. And if you are new to strength training, they offer a free Get Jacked up program that is full body video workouts. You simply press, play and follow along. No more excuses. Right? Go to getjackedup.com, sign up for their free training program and when you are ready to purchase your own Power Rack Pro X, use our promo code MK to save 10% at checkout. That's getjackedup.com we all know Americans are still recovering from years of surging prices. Now some of those in Congress want to make cuts to Medicaid, a program that provides critical health care to 72 million struggling Americans, including veterans, people with disabilities, kids, and your friends and neighbors. 40% of American births are covered by Medicaid. And Medicaid covers health care costs for a third of children with cancer. Working families rely on this program. It has 77% support. Nearly 9 in 10Americans oppose Medicaid cuts. Did you know that 12 million Medicaid families live in rural communities? Many of these people voted for President Trump, but they didn't vote for this. If Congress cuts Medicaid A lot of rural hospitals could close and a lot of rural families will be hurt. No matter how you look at it, cutting Medicaid just doesn't make sense. Tell Congress not to cut Medicaid. Our health and our communities depend on it. In the summer, all of Oregon is our playground, thanks to our incredible park system. That's why it's so cool that Oregon Lottery gameplay like video lottery or cash pop helps support tons of parks projects statewide, like accessible trails at Silver Falls State park or upgrades to your favorite dog park in Newburgh. It's just one way a little lottery play for many Oregonians can add up to a lot of good the Oregon Lottery. Together, we do good things. Lottery games are based on chance and should be played for entertainment only. Must be 18 or older to play. Because I haven't tortured you enough with clips from Nicole Wallace and Rachel Maddow, I decided I saw it and so you had to as well. The following clip from Sex and the City, their latest sequel. I don't know. Oh, I know what this is.

Emily Jashinski (93:30)

Oh, no.

Megyn Kelly (93:31)

I'm sorry, Jashinski, but it's happening. It's happening for the listening audience. We are about to see Miranda, the character played by Cynthia Nixon, who is so annoying, in bed with a virgin nun played by Rosie o' Donnell. I just threw up a little in my mouth. Go ahead, roll it. Are amazing. Oh, I have never experienced anything like that. Ew. This is a nice way to wake up. Oh, you are right. Really, really something. Oh, my God, yes. It felt so, I don't know, electric and yet still so natural. I never dreamed my first time could be both those things. First time? Oh, my God. I'm so grossed out, Emily. I don't even. I. You have to talk. I'm. I, I can't.

Emily Jashinski (94:29)

You're grossed out, but you're not sorry for stuff.

Megyn Kelly (94:34)

Why should I be the only one who suffers? You all have to suffer. We're in it together, I guess.

Emily Jashinski (94:40)

I saw it trending and I was like, oh, I can't click on this. I, I, I can't. And you know what, actually, though, I think by watching it, it's just such an example of how bad the writing is on that show. Like, the writing on some of these shows. It's like they put it into, like, progressive chatgpt and come up with just like, the worst dialogue. It's so bad. Which would actually be if Cynthia Nixon is reading AI generated words that really betrays her progressive principles. I have to say, as a, you know, an advocate.

Megyn Kelly (95:19)

Look for the down. You know what else, you know what else betrays them? Not disclosing. When you're in bed with somebody that you have herpes, it's important to disclose before you have inter sexual interludes that you have the herpes virus. I'm sorry, exhibit A here is Rosie o' Donnell bitching and moaning about her favorite person, Donald Trump. I think this is before she moved. I don't, I can't keep track of where she's living in the world to avoid him. Why?

Emily Jashinski (95:49)

Well, hey everybody, it's Friday all day.

Megyn Kelly (95:51)

As my nana would say. And look what I have on my lip. Everybody's been saying you have herpes. You have herpes all this time and I never had a cold sore in my life and now I have a cold sore. And it makes me think that perhaps this weird pimple that had a tiny little head was a cold sore too. And so I talked to my doctor today and I did a video Telehealth Health. And they said that it's not a cold sore, it's some reaction to the sun. So I don't know. I will let you know tomorrow if I do in fact have herpes. As some of the taunting from the MAGA people in the last couple, couple of weeks. Hasn't it been fun, ladies and gentlemen, to be standing in direct opposition to everything he is and representation represents and always have been and always will be? It's herpes. It's herpes. She came out later and told the world she has Donald Trump inflicted herpes from stress. And I wonder, Eliana, whether really there was a legal obligation there for her to disclose that to, to the, the character of Miranda die.

Eliana Johnson (97:09)

I have to say she seems to be in a lot worse condition than Rachel Maddow and Nicole Wallace in terms of fighting fascism or whatever. But yeah, I, I don't even have the response to that.

Megyn Kelly (97:24)

No, you can't. It's stomach turn.

Eliana Johnson (97:25)

See that?

Megyn Kelly (97:27)

It's too upsetting.

Emily Jashinski (97:27)

Anybody wanted Donald Trump would never inflict herpes on Rosie o' Donnell. I think he's made that very clear. Clear.

Megyn Kelly (97:33)

Since Eliana refuses to play Emily. I've got another sound.

Eliana Johnson (97:36)

I didn't even know Sex in the City was back on the air. I saw it.

Megyn Kelly (97:39)

When you're happening, you have to react live to the herpes. I'm sorry.

Eliana Johnson (97:44)

And I was like, you know what, the culture stuff, that's Emily's ballywick.

Megyn Kelly (97:49)

Anyway, here we go. Here's another beauty. This is Rosie in another scene singing to Miranda. Enjoy. Because I knew you because I knew you. I have been changed for good.

Emily Jashinski (98:13)

It's from Wicked.

Megyn Kelly (98:14)

I take energy. Go ahead.

Emily Jashinski (98:19)

Some comedy. Finally, finally. Rosie o' Donnell is back with comedy. You know, Megan, I haven't been watching this season and I think that's probably being validated, right? Is everyone watching these clips? But it just, the writing on all of this stuff, it's so, because it's actually, this is going to be a weird connection, but it's actually similar to the Nicole Wallaces and the Rachel Maddows. It's just that people have isolated themselves from criticism because of mental health. Like some of these people in like super, super elite positions for mental health reasons, for ideology reasons, they're convinced everybody who disagrees with them is a bigot. So they don't get feedback really anymore from anyone other than people who, like, mostly agree with them and see the world the same way. And it's really hurt stuff like Sex in the City just in the same way that it's actually hurt news. It's like they've, they've just, and we've seen it a little bit start to change. Like when you hear Jamie Dimon start to, you know, flirt with maybe mass immigration and open borders could have some downstream consequences that are okay to talk about. But mostly these people aren't taking criticism from people is they think everyone else is a bigot. Idiot.

Megyn Kelly (99:29)

But I mean, like, what do you do when those, like, literally, those are two of the biggest brand ambassadors for Team Blue. They are. I'm not just saying that they are. I'm sorry if you're a Democrat, but you're stuck with them. I mean, the one ran for governor of New York and continues to get out there and rail on the transit. She's got like 40 kids, all of whom are trans and 9 non binary. I mean, I think that might be true for both of them. I don't know, Rosio, she's unclear to me. But Cynthia Nixon for sure. And Rosie is so exposed. Imagine the horror in being a Democrat, like maybe a normal Democrat, like an old, you know, blue dog Democrat. Eliana. And having one of the people most associated with your brand out there pointing to some huge growth right underneath her nose, saying it might be a pimple or it's a herpe, and then then delivering an update. It's a herpe. I, I have herpes. Look at my herpes virus. It was caused by Donald Trump. And then asking us to picture her in bed with a vibrator and Cynthia Nixon. Nixon. And then they're like why can't we get young men on Team Blue? What is it, what is it about us that drives them away?

Eliana Johnson (100:39)

Megan, don't interfere. Just let, let the immigration message continue as it is is. Let Rosie continue. Don't do anything to mess this up. It's perfect.

Megyn Kelly (100:52)

I, I think she's saying we need to stop calling attention to do it. Just, just to let, let the consumer enjoy. All right, now listen, I have one other topic that I have got to get into with you guys. Can you stay just five extra minutes because we have to say goodbye to Sirius xm. But this topic is so good. I want to tell the SiriusXM ERS what we're about to do. You do have to tune into the last few minutes of the pod and or YouTube back. I'm not doing this intentionally. We've had to go over a few days in the past couple of weeks. I generally try to squeeze it into the time block on Sirius, but there's just so much news. All right, the topic is Patti LuPone, who most people, they don't even know who she is, but she is the toast of Broadway. And just ask her. This woman is seriously drunk on her own power and took some shots at some other Broadway actors who happen to be to include women of color. And all of Broadway is now bringing the hammer down on this woman. I don't know, I don't think I have time to squeeze it in but okay, I'll give a little bit more background while I have. Right, I have one more minute. So Patti LuPone, we've been showing the audience clips of her. I don't know why. Sometimes, you know, I really just like, is it sadism or masochism? A little of both. Right. I do it to myself, but I'm bringing you down with me. But it's important to keep an eye on these so called cultural icons. She's the one we've been showing you who yelled at everybody on Broadway, pull up your effing mask. Because the person had it on but had it under their nose in the audience. And then, you know, chaos ensued as the audience member shouted back, I pay your salary. And she's the one who attacked yours truly as a non journalist in her interview with with George Clooney. Well, now she is in a shit ton of trouble of her own making and all of Broadway has turned on her. It's so delicious. Wait until you hear why. 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Emily Jashinski (106:51)

Put your mask over your nose. That's why you're in the theater. That is the rule. If you don't want to follow the.

Megyn Kelly (106:58)

Rule, get the fuck out.

Emily Jashinski (107:04)

Who do you think you are if you do not respect the people that.

Megyn Kelly (107:08)

Are sitting around you?

Emily Jashinski (107:11)

You pay my salary.

Megyn Kelly (107:12)

Bullshit. Chris Harper pays my salary. Who do you think you are? Just put your mask over your nose. She's such a charmer, that Patti LuPone. So that's an old clip. More recently, there was this one when she went on the View. This is very recent. Take a listen to her message there.

Emily Jashinski (107:37)

I don't know what the difference between.

Megyn Kelly (107:38)

Our Christian right and the Taliban is. I have no idea what the difference is. You're not the only person who said that.

Emily Jashinski (107:44)

That.

Megyn Kelly (107:45)

I don't.

Emily Jashinski (107:45)

I just don't know what the difference is.

Megyn Kelly (107:47)

What's happening in this country right now in the name of religion is so dangerous. Okay, I love the whoopee response. You. You're. You're not the only one who feels that way, you know. I. I only know other people feel that way. You know, there's no difference. Taliban and Christian, right? So Patti LuPone. And then as I mentioned, she was ripping on me too. So I don't like her. I don't like her for all of these reasons, but this is you. This is so delicious. Okay, let's just dig in because you're going to like this. Yes, it's so fun. It's so rare that these people get hoisted on their own petards. But she's honor petard ladies. Okay, here's where things started to go wrong for her. Okay. Last year, I don't know where we're getting. What. Tell me the sources that I'm. That I'm reading from so I don't completely copy this off of somebody without credit. Megan.

Emily Jashinski (108:34)

Okay, you can just say other people have said that. You're not the only one who said that. You're just.

Megyn Kelly (108:39)

Other people also agree. Great. That last year Patti LuPone show, the Roommate shared a wall with a different show, the Alicia Keys musical, which is called Hell's Kitchen. Okay, so their two shows shared a wall. And the actress who stars in the Alicia Keys musical is Keisha Lewis. And Patti LuPone didn't like sharing a wall with Keisha Lewis's show, Hell's Kitchen, because the sound from the Alicia Keys musical would bleed through. And Patti LuPone, who really does fancy herself the queen of Broadway, was unhappy that she had to listen to any of the musical notes. So she spoke with the head of the other theater and asked him if he could fix the noise problem. After those efforts, which came this past November, Keisha Lewis posted a video on Instagram. Do we have the sot? Let's just play it. Here's what she posted. These actions, in my opinion, are bullying. They're offensive. They are racially microaggressive. They're. They're rooted in privilege. And these actions also lack a sense of community and leadership for someone as yourself who has been in the business as long as you have. I want to explain what a microaggression is. These are subtle, unintentional comments or actions that convey stereotypes, biases, or negative assumptions about someone based on their race. Examples include calling a black show loud in a way that dismisses it. Referring to a predominantly black Broadway show as loud can unintentionally reinforce harmful stereotypes. And it also feels dismissive of the artistry and the voices that are being celebrated on stage. Ms. LuPone, I respectfully submit to you that you owe us an apology. Not flowers. Oh, and flowers. Shots fired. This is so perfect, right? It's like a woke and the woker. And like you're. You're a racist. Is a microaggression to say a black show is loud even though it's Alicia Keys and it's a musical? I'm sure the piano and the singing is loud. It goes on the whole time, but so it does in most Musicals. In any event, shots fired. Okay? So then. Then Patti LuPone sits down for an interview with the New Yorker. And she doesn't give two shits that anybody's attacking her because she's like, I fucking hang out with George Clooney and the View. You bitches can go f. Okay? So she says to the New Yorker, I know you gotta go soon, Eliana, so you can peace out when you gotta go, but this is too delicious soon. So you stay as long as you can, she says. When the New Yorker writer brought up the incident. Oh, my God, said lupone. Here's the problem. She calls herself a veteran. Let's find out how many Broadway shows Keisha Lewis has done because she doesn't know what the she's talking about. Okay?

Emily Jashinski (111:39)

She.

Megyn Kelly (111:40)

She then Googled, meaning Patti LuPone Googled Keisha Lewis quote. She's done seven. I've done 31. Don't call yourself a vet.

Emily Jashinski (111:51)

Tours of duty.

Megyn Kelly (111:53)

She's an angry, angry lady. Okay? So she's like asserting her power. Like, I. I'm the queen of Broadway, Keisha. Suck it. Okay? So then this New Yorker writer, who is the York. That's the person by. By the way, who we got the information from and the New York Post, we gotta. Who's the writer? Because this person is subversive Michael Shulman. I. I think I'm your fan. I'll have to research you more, but I love this piece. So this guy is one subversive sob be. So he then writes, I mentioned that Audra McDonald, the Tony decorated Broadway star, had given the video by Keisha Lewis. Supportive emojis. I love. This guy's all shitster. He's like, oh, well, another. Another Broadway queen who's very well rewarded and Tony decorated. She liked the video. Audra McDonald's did. And Patti LuPone said, exactly. And I thought you should know better. That's typical of Audra. She's not a friend. Hard D. She's not a friend. It's fun playing her. The two singers had some long ago rift, LuPone said, but she didn't want to elaborate when I asked what she thought of Audra McDonald, the thumbs up lady, current production of Gypsy. She stared at me in silence for 15 seconds. Then she turned to the window and sighed. What a beautiful day. I couldn't love this anymore. The drama for these, like, just highfalutin Broadway bees. Okay, so here. Here it comes. Here it comes. Open letter signed by more than 600 members of the Broadway community condemning Patti Lup comments about Keisha Lewis and Audra McDonald. Now you've effed yourself over with not one, but two beautiful black Broadway broads, and you're in serious trouble. Patti LuPone. 600 people. The letter was addressed openly to the theater community, as well as Tony producers, the Broadway League, and the American Theater win. Okay, here we go. Go all. Okay. Goodbye, Eliana. We'll miss you, Emily. You get the joy of staying through to the end of this.

Emily Jashinski (114:18)

I was gonna say she did that on purpose.

Megyn Kelly (114:21)

She's like, peace out. This is too. Anyway, but. But you get. You're the lucky one who gets to hear the end from the letter. This language is not only degrading and misogynistic, it is a blatant act of racialized disrespect. It constitutes bullying. It constitutes harassment. The letter reads, it is emblematic of the microaggressions and abuse that people in this industry have endured for far too long, too often without consequence. Yes, because when you think of Broadway, you think about its microaggressions against black and minority people. Isn't that really what Broadway. That's. That's the experience you get over there. The audience has heard me say, went to see Macbeth on Broadway a couple years ago with Doug. Daniel Craig was starring. Starring in it. We saw a guy in a wheelchair who came out to introduce the play. It was a majority minority cast, even though it was 1500s Scotland. You were like almost no white people. The king's son was played by a woman who had a blue mohawk. But Broadway hates minorities, really, is what they're saying. It's. It's the abuse and microaggressions the people in this industry have endured for far too long, too often without consequence. Quote, to publicly attack a woman who has contributed to this art form with such excellence, leadership, and grace. And they don't mean Patti LuPone. They. They mean the woman starring in Hell's Kitchen. Keisha Lewis, I think. Or maybe Audrey McDonald. Unclear. Either one will work. But to attack her and to discredit the legacy. Yeah. Of Audra McDonald. So they meant Keisha Lewis first. And discrediting Audrey's legacy. The most nominated and awarded performer in Tony Award history. Not you, Pat. Is not simply a personal offense. It is a public affront to the values of collaboration, equity, and mutual respect that our theater community claims to uphold. We call on the American theater wing and the Broadway League to take immediate action, not only in response to Patti LuPone's comments, but in establishing a broader standard of accountability moving forward. So they want to have to Deal with these racists and misogynists running rampant on stage on Broadway. Emily. I mean, who knew individuals, including Patti LuPone, who used that platform to publicly demean, harass, or disparage fellow artists, particularly with racial. She said loud. It's racial. Gendered. She said. Or doesn't know what the she's talking about. Yeah, both of those things. Gender or otherwise violent language should not be welcomed at industry events. You're out of the cool crowd, Patti LuPone. You won't be invited to the next LGBTQ Pride event, including the Tony Awards, the fundraisers, and the public programs. First, we lost the Kennedy center, and now this Patty.

Emily Jashinski (117:23)

Does it actually say that in the letter?

Megyn Kelly (117:26)

It doesn't say that. Not. Not the Kennedy. Not the Kennedy. No, no. But before that, it really. No, it really says Tony Awards fundraising raisers in public programs they want to shut.

Emily Jashinski (117:35)

They're gonna kill Patti LuPone out of the Tony War.

Megyn Kelly (117:38)

Yes. Yes. Civil war.

Emily Jashinski (117:40)

It's civil.

Megyn Kelly (117:41)

I love it. War. I love it. I love it. There's. There's literally no one to root for and everyone to loathe. It's so wonderful. You don't get these stories every day. As of Saturday, the letter had almost 700 signatures. They're probably over 700. I don't even think they're more than that on Broadway. Probably have a thousand people working on Broadway. And then Saturday came, by the way, speaking of the Kennedy center, in that interview with the New Yorker, the writer pointed out that she told me more than once, quote, the Trumpified Kennedy center should. Should get blown up. She wants it blown up. The Trumpified Kennedy Center. So now on. By the way, she got no blowback for that. No. No nasty letter, no open letter about her violent language. No one gave two shits. But they're very upset. She said loud. People read it. But. But the lady's very upset that she referred to a. A musical about Alicia Keys is loud because they share a wall. She can hear. Okay, so here, of course, was the forced apology, which is such a fun part of the act. Okay, here's the apology for as long as I have worked in the theater. No, she doesn't. Just sounded like her in the theater. I've spoken my. That is changing today. I am deeply sorry for the words I used during the New Yorker interview, particularly about Keisha Lewis, which were demeaning and disrespect. Disrespectful. Again, this is what she said about her. She calls herself a veteran. Let's find out how many Broadway shows She's done. She doesn't know what the fuck she's talking about. She's done seven. I've done 31. Don't call yourself a vet. They were demeaning and disrespectful. I am devastated that my behavior has offended others and has run counter to what we hold dear in the community. I hope to have this chance to speak to Audra and Keisha personally to offer my sincere apologies. I made a mistake. I take full responsibility for it and I am committed to making this right. Our entire theater community deserves better. That's it. That's story time with mk, courtesy of this guy who wrote a banger of a New Yorker piece, the New York Post, and Patti LuPone in her own very weird Broadway community's overreactions channel to everything. Your thoughts on the whole thing?

Emily Jashinski (119:54)

Well, I have so many, Megan, but first of all, I feel like I just watched a one woman show which was you as Patti LuPone channeling Patti LuPone going back and forth in this, this bitter civil war on Broadway. Now it's just Patti LuPone has been a known sort of bully, or the accusations of her being a bully have circulated around Broadway for years. It's sort of baked into the lore and the myth Patti LuPone is that she's like this old school Broadway diva. And so the fact that it's now being treated as like a social justice issue to take down Patti LuPone is really something. Now suddenly, 2025, everyone must take down Patti LuPone because she accused the Alicia Keys musical of being too loud at one point. I mean, just also, this is. I'm just going to keep pulling on the same thread and make this connection between the awful Rosie o' Donnell Herpes video, the Sex and the City video, and the Rachel Mattow Nicole Wallace podcast that we talked about on the show today. Megan, it's like these people don't have anyone to tell them stop. Because they have exercised they've purged good faith critics who are still touching grass from their community so they don't have anyone to tell them how insane and ridiculous they sound. And it is making their work suffer. It is turning them into not just like crazy eccentrist interesting artists, but just like fully sick mentally ill people. Like, they're still lecturing people about microaggressions in amazing the Year of our Lord 2025. I think you couldn't write it because you would think at this point they would have had some like, humility and self reflection. But no, because they've purged Urged everyone who might be a good faith critic. And it's not good for them, it's not good for the country. But at this point, we can kind of just let them have their sideshow, like their little.

Megyn Kelly (121:54)

Yeah. Their project with a self destructing. I mean, yeah, it's like they're all killing each other. So it's fine. I don't care. We win either way. I don't care who wins this fight. But not for nothing, how insane was that video by the star of the Alicia Keys musical attacking what Patti LuPone said, which was, your show's loud and we can hear it through the wall. I mean, that was Looney Tunes. The microaggressions. Can we just watch that? Just. Can I just say it one more time? I just need to see some of that one more time. This is Keisha Lewis on Instagram warning Patti LuPone about her terrible language. Ms. LuPone, these actions, in my opinion, are bullying. They're offensive. They are racially microaggressive, aggressive. They're rude, they're rooted in privilege. And these actions also lack a sense of community and leadership for someone as yourself who has been in the business as long as you have. I want to explain what a microaggression is. These are subtle, unintentional comments or actions that convey stereotypes, biases, or negative assumptions about someone based on their race. Examples include calling a black show light loud in a way that dismisses it. Referring to a predominantly black Broadway show as loud can unintentionally reinforce harmful stereotypes, and it also feels of the artistry and the voices that are being celebrated on stage. Ms. LuPone, I respectfully submit to you that you owe us an apology. Not. Okay. She.

Emily Jashinski (123:29)

I mean, isn't it a microaggression to tell someone to pull up their mask when they might have had a medical reason for not wearing a mask? That sounds like a microaggress progression, singling them out in the audience.

Megyn Kelly (123:38)

Good point. Here's the thing that I. I like my own analysis of this. Live by the sword, die by the sword. You want to. You want to make your career on Broadway and lecture everybody about the masks? You have to follow rules. Well, you know what the rules on Broadway are? You are below all people of color. Way below. And you are way, way, way below anybody who's lgbtq. I mean, they're at the top of the food chain on Broadway. And then come people of color. Color. And then you're in there, Patty, because you're a woman. So you're still. You got Something. And you're old, so you got those things going for you. There are no white men left on Broadway who are straight, so they don't. They're irrelevant. But she's living by the sword and she's going to die by the sword. So she. You want to act in this environment. I'm sorry, it's just a cold, hard reality. You're going to have to be a member, a citizen of Woketopia, and you are going to have to play by those rules. You are going to have to listen. Listen to your lectures from Keisha Lewis, and you are going to have to genuflect as she says the words microaggressions and understand that you cannot show. Call a show loud that is predominantly with a black cast. That's racist in the world that you've chosen to live and operate in and from which you regularly judge others. So you are the one who can F off Patty. I think I'm on the side of your insane antagonists because while they're wrong and they're nut cases, these are the weird rules of your universe, and you've been just fine with them up until now.

Emily Jashinski (125:16)

These people are too talented to be this dumb, by the way. Like, it's just such a stupid position at this point especially. It's also kind of how I feel about Rachel Maddow. Like, she's genuinely a talented person who's just gone, like, brain dead over the course of the last 10 years. And to see people not be able to even, like, do their work well because they have this awful, like, mind virus is very sad.

Megyn Kelly (125:42)

It is. It really is.

Emily Jashinski (125:43)

It is. It sucks. It sucks to watch, especially. Broadway is one American tradition. It's. It's like a very proud American tradition, and I don't want it to fizzle.

Megyn Kelly (125:53)

Ruining it.

Emily Jashinski (125:54)

There's stupid civil war. And granted, I've been a. A total of one Broadway show and it was hairspray in 2007. So I don't really have a stake in this. But they are talented people and it sucks to watch this stuff happen. But that's what you get when you completely surrender to these, like, lazy, reflexive arguments is you. Ultimately, they're so circular and incoherent that they will ultimately take you down with them.

Megyn Kelly (126:21)

I will end it on a happy note. Not long ago, the whole fam. All five of us went to Broadway. We keep trying, you know, we live close, so we go and we can. And we saw. I don't remember seeing a show I enjoyed more. I did love back to the future. But this show was spectacular. And my advice to everybody is run, don't walk to go see it. It is called Operation Mincemeat, and it is great, great. I mean, truly great. It's a musical. It's based on the actual World War II Operation Mincemeat, where this is. There's been a film made about it. I think they. They recently redid it. I feel like Colin Firth was in it. I didn't see the remake, but I saw the 1948 version, and that's because I'm married to Doug Brunt, who lives for this crap. And. And it's about a group of. Of MI6 spies trying to come up with a way to fool Hitler and the Nazis into believing that the Allied forces were going to not invade Sicily, that they. They were going to invade Italy, but to try to lead Hitler to believe it wouldn't be Sicily, that they would invade, that they would go to a different island. And they had to come up with a subterfuge, a plan. Plan that would fool him and in a way that he would not know he had been fooled into believing that the attack plans were focused on a different place. And it's. It's all based on a true story. Ian Fleming is represented in there because he worked for MI6. The guy who's the author of the all the James Bond stories books. And his character is represented, but there's only five actors. I think it's two guys and three gals, or maybe it's the verse. Three guys and two guys. Can't remember. But all five play all the roles in the whole show. There are only these five actors. So they do the gender bending thing, but not in a. Not in a trans way, in like an old school theater way where like, anybody can play anybody because you just want to get a great show on. And there is a man who sings in this particular scene. He's playing like a widow, a widow to a man who died. He sings a number called Dear Bill. Bill. Honestly, I, like, couldn't move after this number. I couldn't. It was stunningly spectacular. It was stupendous. It was so gorgeous. It was emotional, it was compelling. It was like you just wanted to stand up and cheer for this guy who at first I was like, oh, he's kind of awkward. How do you get cast in a Broadway show? I wound up in love with him. I mean, it's just like anything this guy is in, I would go to forgive me, because I don't have his name in front of me. It was. It's been like six weeks since we went. Um, but go see Operation Mincemeat. No, I'm not getting paid to say this. More than likely the entire cast can't stand me. I don't care. I loved it and I really think everybody should go see it. So we end on a positive note. There wasn't even a hint of wokeness. Not even a hint, not a comment. Nothing. Not like an offhand political jab at Trump or modern day culture, et cetera. It was all business about World War II and this operation and just the frailty of humanity and, and the funny peccadillos of people trying to make it in life. Just a lot, a lot to love. So anyway, Emily Jasinski, you're a lot to love too. It's a pleasure to have you here whenever you come, Megan.

Emily Jashinski (129:42)

Thank you so much for having me. It was a blast today.

Megyn Kelly (129:44)

Especially awesome. All right, we'll do it again soon. And we're back tomorrow with Link Lauren and Stephen A. Smith. We'll talk to him about how it went when Jake Tapper swung by the Stephen A. Podcast. It was a little contentious. We'll talk about it. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda, and no fear. In the summer, all of Oregon is our playground thanks to our incredible park system. That's why it's so cool that Oregon Lottery gameplay like video lottery or cash pop, helps support tons of parks projects statewide like accessible trails at Silver Falls State park or upgrades to your favorite dog park in Newburgh. It's just one way a little lottery play from many Oregonians can add up to a lot of good the Oregon Lottery. Together, we do good things. Lottery games are based on chance and should be played for entertainment only. Must be 18 or older to play.