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Kamala Campaign Turns on Each Other, and Trump's New Badass Border Czar, with Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson | Ep. 941
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Emily Jashinsky, host of "Undercurrents" on UnHerd, and Eliana Johnson, editor of the Washington Free Beacon, to talk about what we're learning through media deep dives as the Kamala campaign turns on each other after their massive election loss, the blame going to Biden but not as much to Kamala herself, what really went wrong with the campaign, the claim made by a professor on MSNBC that racism was the only reason Kamala lost, whether there was a secret deal between Kamala and Joe Biden that stopped Kamala from attacking him, MSNBC's Joy Reid's racist rant against progressive white women, the left turning on each other, Reid's guest claiming people should disown family members who voted for Trump, Democratic Senator Chris Murphy’s post-election analysis, how his conclusions ignore the radical trans policies he and his party have pushed, the brave men and women who worked to put the issue at the forefront of 2024, Trump appointing Tom Homan as his next "bo...
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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on SiriusXM, channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show and Happy Monday. It is legitimately a happy Monday, isn't it? I don't know about you, but I've been on cloud nine since last Tuesday night. I feel great. I really do. I feel like America's already becoming greater than it was just by the promise of a Trump presidency. And he's made some staffing announcements that have me feeling especially so we'll get to those in just a bit, especially on immigration. Meantime, the left and corporate media, but I repeat myself, are still trying to figure out how it all went so disastrously wrong for them. They believed Dan Seltzer. They believed dan. They believed Dr. Alan Lippman with his keys and his forecast, who says he was totally right about everything. It was just our racism misogyny that got in the way of him seeing things clearly. We showed you that on Friday. And we are starting now to get some of. We still haven't had the big piece. Trust me, I know it's coming. It always does. But we're starting to get some of the juicy details about the Kamala Harris campaign mess. This is what's going to happen. I told you this before. More and more you're starting to see it. Her team's coming out and blaming President Biden. He's a hot mess. She inherited a mess. You know, she did all she could but mess, mess, thanks to Joe Biden. And trust me when I tell you the Joe Biden team will be leaking what a disaster she is and was behind the scenes. It's probably happening right now. Some publication is probably in the midst of shoring up their sources and we're gonna have some deep piece that says we spoke to 12 sources who didn't want to go on the record for fear of retribution, even though there can be no retribution now because her career is over, her political career is done. Meantime, Donald Trump, wasting no time getting to work and as I said, has made some big announcements today, which we will get to. And there's also drama already unfolding in the US Senate as they gear up to figure out who the new majority leader will be when the new Republican Senate takes office. Okay, joining me now for all of it, the EJ's Emily Jasinski, D.C. correspondent for unheard and host of Undercurrents, and Eliana Johnson, who is editor in chief of the Washington Free Beacon and co host of the Podcast Ink Stained Wretches. For those of us holding our breath for the past several months, we can exhale. Work can finally be done on the major issues this country's facing, one of the most significant being our national debt. The fact is, our nation's broke and that debt is a house of cards that cannot be quickly dismantled. So the strategy remains the same. You might want to diversify your savings. How is that a bad idea in any world? This is why I want to tell you about Birch Gold. So many things are out of our control, out of the President's control. So it can be important to have a safe haven for your savings. Birch Gold Group can help you convert an IRA or 401k into an IRA in physical gold. Physical gold. And the best news is it does not cost you $0.01 out of pocket. Text MK to 989898 to get your free info kit. Plus, right now through Black Friday, you'll receive a free 1 ounce Silver Eagle for every $5,000 purchased. Protect your savings with Birch Gold. Just text MK to 989898 and claim your eligibility for free silver today. Ladies, welcome back.
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Emily Jasinski
Hey, Megan.
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Eliana Johnson
Hi, Megan.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, so I'm dying for the big. The big think piece, but it's not here yet. But I will wait. I will be patient. I have no doubt it will come. Okay, I do want to talk about the think pieces that have been out thus far trying to explain why she lost. And I'll start with Washington Post, how Kamala Harris and Joe Biden lost to Donald Trump and left Democrats in shambles. Shambles. They are in shamble. I think it's a fair, fair assessment. Okay. It starts with Biden. Biden sucked. He refused to meet with pollsters. He dug in. We had one of the pod Save America guys out over the weekend saying Biden's internal polls showed that he was going to lose, like 49 states, something like. Or 400 electoral votes, something incredible in this election and still thought he could win somehow. So the general consensus is f Joe Biden. Thanks for coming to where most of us were before. The country's been saying that since the Brandon thing. Let's go. Brandon thing, then. I love this. They're blaming Kamala Harris's campaign manager. That makes sense. Of course, you'd always blame the campaign manager to some extent. And yet no one has yet blamed Kamala Harris. Truly. Like in all these pieces, I have yet to see the person say, she was terrible. She couldn't connect. She couldn't give straight answers. They're much more comfortable, I've got to say, with the white female campaign manager and the white male campaign manager. None of them wants to lay a glove on Kamala. What did Jen O'Malley Dillon do wrong? Well, she insisted on having a larger role in the messaging process. She had come over from Team Biden. AIDS just fired ideas into the void. You'd have someone say, what about too risky for too long? And O'Malley Dhillon and other senior advisors rejected those pushes as well as others push for just a single word, dangerous. Now, this is obviously campaign aides who felt to steal a term unheard by Jen O'Malley Dillon. And now we're like, if only she had taken my great ideas, we would have won. This is all just like teaspoons in the ocean stuff. They're totally not getting it. And the piece goes on to say, finally the group settled on what they privately called the three U's or the triple U's. Unhinged, unstable and unchecked. Now they're, they're right. That's a terrible idea. And they went on to point out that one campaign responded by saying, no one even in the campaign was able to even remember the three U's. I just said them, and even I don't remember unhinged. That was one of them. Like, it's not catchy. I'll give you one more and then I'll get your reaction. One person says, okay, this one's correct because they went to somebody who works for Joe Manchin. It's very simple. If you try to win elections by taking talking to the elites of this country, you're going to get your ass kicked. There are not enough Beyonce's Oprahs or Hollywood elites to elect anyone. And then they go on to talk about how linked their party is to the elites. So of those first two, I think I mean, some Biden blame. Yes, he stuck around for a long time, but I don't think Biden was the answer to their problems. And I do not think messaging was it. And I do not. And I do think connection to elites is relevant, but they have yet to get to the real core. Ladies, you tell me what you think the real core is. Eliana, I'll start with you.
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Eliana Johnson
The core of the problem, I think, is what the Democratic Party has come to stand for. And I think the framing of that piece is sort of misleading. It frames it as a. Is it, was it Biden or was it Harris? And the truth is that it was both because they came to stand for the same thing. Biden was. Biden had a very problematic record and Harris then refused to distance herself from that record. So it was both of them. It's not that complicated. But the Democratic Party spent the last four years telling voters that the issues that were most important to them, which were the economy and immigration, a that inflation as it relates to the economy first that it was transitory and then that they weren't reading data. Right. And that actually, you know, things were getting better. And on immigration, telling them that it wasn't a problem and you just can't win elections that way. Can't win elections that way by telling voters that the things that they perceive as problems aren't problems.
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Megyn Kelly
That was 100% what they did, Emily. The they go on like piecemeal to go through like some of the problems without really getting to the heart of it. They, they point out. Here's when they get to Kamala Harris, she took some, quote, bananas, end quote, positions back in 2019 that came back to haunt her. Yeah. Yes, she did. That should be playing a lot higher in your piece. WaPo and her innate unlikability and inability to communicate with people's another. They talk about how now they see the John Kelly fascist stuff as a mistake. Many of us were telling them that all along it was rejected. Now they're second guessing, having her final speech at the Ellipse because it brought up January 6th, which they now are acknowledging may have not been a very powerful closing message. And they get to finally, she went on the View and she didn't distance herself from Joe Biden. Like, I love all these piecemeal, you know, hits. I, I don't disagree with those piecemeal hits. But to Eliana's point, she just, they're not getting it. Like what she said, the inflation. If you look at all the polls, what the, what the viewers cared about, they cared about the voters. Three things. The top three things. And there's a really interesting survey out right now backing it up. Inflation, immigration and cultural issues.
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Emily Jasinski
Yeah. And it's so obvious. I mean, and to some extent this is why the campaign was always going to be. Even though you have Donald Trump is polarizing, like his numbers by election Day were higher than they had been in a very long time. As favorable as arguably, if you're looking across like RCP's national average, his favorability was higher than it had ever been. That said, he's still polarizing to a lot of Americans. So they had a shot of doing something even with inflation and immigration where it was. But they would basically have had to had leaned so, so hard into the nuts and bolts kitchen table issues. And even with a terrible candidate like Kamala Harris, which everyone has to agree that she is, she's just a bad candidate. She's not a good national politician. Even so, she got like 47% of the popular vote. So there was a world in which Kamala Harris could have been banging the table, talking about immigration, talking about inflation, distancing herself from Joe Bide Biden over and over and over again. She would have had to do that. And not running on January6, not running on fascism. Interestingly enough, if you look at the RCP national average of the polling where you saw Kamala Harris start to dip was on October 23rd. That is the day after the Atlantic story about John Kelly saying that Trump wanted generals like Hitler. That's the day after that story came out. It never recovered after that. Which is super interesting because Kamala Harris and Democrats took that story literally, projected it onto Madison Square Garden the night of Trump's rally, and started talking about it nonstop for days afterwards. That should have been obvious, that it was distracting from their kitchen table pitch, that their kitchen table pitch wasn't strong enough to begin with. All of these things, it just so obvious. And to watch the hand wringing right now from like, as you said, Megan, Jon Favreau of Pod Save America, who was covering up for Biden's age over and over again. I mean, it's just like they suddenly. It's okay for them to say some of the obvious and to explore some the obvious, but they were the ones that were enforcing this really strict position where you couldn't speak truth for months and months. So, yes, welcome to the party, everyone. But I'm not impressed by your sudden realizations.
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Megyn Kelly
Just this morning on the New York Times podcast, the Daily Eliana, they were going through, you know, why her message didn't resonate, and they were trying to take on the economy and inflation and just the nerve of these guys. The nerve. Where was your honesty about this before the election when voters were looking for the straight scoop? And frankly, your readers may have been looking for the straight scoop on where she was going wrong prior to the vote? You know, I mean, think about it from their perspective. They wanted to help Kamala Harris. Why wouldn't some honesty prior to the election have done that? Why wouldn't some questions to her pressing the weaknesses in her position, which tend to shore up a candidate rather than cut them down, have been appropriate prior to November 5th? So what they were talking about this morning on the New York Times, this audience is going to appreciate this acutely was, well, she tried to speak to economic issues, but she had very pinprick strikes that didn't appeal to a wide swath of voters. I have been saying this and my audience has been writing me about this for months. It's great that she wants to give the child tax credit, but unless you have a child in its first year, it really doesn't help you. It's great that she wants to help first time homebuyers, but the vast majority of Americans are not in that place in their life either because they're not yet ready to buy one, they're not interested, they want to rent, or they already bought their first home. It's like her constant focus on diabetes medication. Oh, okay, great. If you're a diabetic, most of us aren't. And even the New York Times was now admitting these were too small. And you look over at Trump and he's like, I will take on China. I will war with tariffs. I will make sure manufacturing jobs stay here. Stuff that will help everybody, all of the US Economy. And he had four years to point to where he actually did have a booming economy.
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Eliana Johnson
Yeah, you know, on, on the economy, Harris did look, there's two separate issues. One is the messages they chose on the various issues and the other is her ability to articulate and answer questions about issues. And both were problematic. She did try to talk about inflation, but her message on it was, I'm going to address price gouging. And I just don't think, think that the average American thinks that, you know, the manager of the Safeway down the street or the Piggly Wiggly or whatever is like that their groceries are expensive and shot up. You know, eggs cost three times more. Because Safeway is price gouging. I don't think. And I'd be curious to see polling numbers on this. I don't think people really believe that. And I would have a hard time thinking that that resonates with people. The other is her ability to have exchanges with voters and reporters about these issues. You mentioned, you know, the Pod Save America Bros pressing the weaknesses in her positions. She just did not prove herself a capable candidate in terms of having those sorts of exchanges. And that gets to her just weakness in terms of candidate skills and to the Democratic Party's process around this and that they decided, because Biden decided to run and then he decided, you know, you could even go further back, he decided to pick a vice president based on checking Gender and race boxes, which he said explicitly at the time. Then he decided to run again. Then he decided to bow out and elevate her without having any sort of competitive process, that she just had not been put through the paces by the time she was elevated to the top of the national ticket. And it really did produce sort of, I would say, a perfect storm for the Republican side, but a disastrous storm for Democrats where they had a candidate who chose those bad policy positions and then couldn't, like, articulate. Couldn't she. And articulated them poorly.
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Megyn Kelly
It's amazing because it's like, you look back now at how it all unfolded and at the time of the switcheroo, I mean, I guess I thought that Joe Biden's endorsement of her was forced. That was my general feeling at the time that they kind of leaned on him and said, you gotta get out and you gotta give her your endorsement because we don't have time for this open primary. And that, frankly, that could still be true, I don't know. But they're changing the messaging on it now, or they're offering some new messaging, because, you know, Emily, there is a question back to your point you just made whether Kamala Harris could have distanced herself from Joe Biden or whether her not doing that was in any way part of a deal that she made with him. Like did when he called her up to say, I'm stepping out, was there some sort of a deal struck where she said, I would love to have your endorsement? And he said, I'll give it so long as you don't run around for the next hundred days bashing me. I don't know what happened in that conversation, but for the first time now, we're learning from Nancy Pelosi, supposedly that she didn't expect that endorsement and that she allegedly was sitting there waiting for the open primary, bottoms up thing that they all told us we got and that we didn't get. And listen here to her here in the New York Times interview she gave.
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Eliana Johnson
Should there have been an open primary, though? Well, see, we thought that there would be. You know, it was the anticipation was that that if the president were to step aside, that there would be an open primary. And as I say, Kamala may have. I think she would have done well in that and been stronger going forward, but we don't know that that didn't happen. We live with what happened. And because the president endorsed Kamala Harris immediately, that really made it almost impossible to have a primary at that time.
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Megyn Kelly
It's very interesting. She's basically blaming Biden for Kamala Harris becoming the nominee, suggesting the rest of us were not expecting it to go down like that. But he forced her on us.
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Emily Jasinski
Yeah, I mean, this is Nancy Pelosi at her, let's say, shrewdest. I guess her political instincts are strong. But I'm also curious as to how hard leaders like Nancy Pelosi were pushing Joe Biden to resign before he ultimately did after that debate. Because you can really take the disaster of this election for Democrats all the way back to Joe Biden's decision, A, not to entertain a primary, B, then not to actually listen seriously to public polling. People saw that he was way too old. I mean, the polls, when you go back, it was so obvious that people were, like, uncomfortable with Joe Biden's age. And now Nancy Pelosi saying, you know, we all expected an open primary. It's interesting, Megan, because that answer that Kamala Harris gave on the View, I think was October 8th. And now there's some schadenfreude about Sunny Haas and unintentionally, like, bringing down the Kamala Harris campaign by asking how she'd be different from Joe Biden. And she didn't have an answer other than there's nothing that immediately comes to mind, which I think gets to your theory. It's like that would be the one question that you would have a scripted and just like pitch perfect answer to that. That is the one question. And then they did some cleanup on it after that. Horrible answer. But it does get theory right.
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Megyn Kelly
It was the kind of cleanup I do of my kitchen. Very half hearted.
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Emily Jasinski
It's like, did she have. She didn't have permission. Like, it's possible she didn't have per to actually go as hard after the Biden legacy as she needed to. And anyone could have told you.
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Eliana Johnson
Come on.
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Emily Jasinski
Anyone could have told you that when the switch happened that you would need to go to have a successful campaign. You would need to go very, very hard against inflation. You would need to go very, very hard against immigration. Could she have done that? I mean, she would have been lying. She would have been lying, but she could have gone harder.
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Megyn Kelly
Go ahead, Alian.
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Eliana Johnson
No, I don't buy that. Look, she could tell Biden, okay, they made a deal in the back. Let's just stipulate then she gets the nomination. What's he going to do when she starts trashing him? This is, you know, big boys and girls, presidential politics. What's he going to do? I just don't buy that she's so has, you know, she just felt the need to keep her word so much she couldn't, you know, run a good campaign.
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Megyn Kelly
Why didn't she do it? Why do you think she didn't go after. I think she offered no separation between them.
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Eliana Johnson
You know, Occam's razor. She has bad judgment and she's a bad politician. And I think she's always been. I think she's risk averse and she doesn't like to make decisions. And, you know, that. That would be my best guess as to why. And. And it takes a certain level of skill to separate yourself from an administration of which you were a part. And I'm not sure she actually has that level of rhetoric.
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Megyn Kelly
That's so dumb.
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Eliana Johnson
She's so stupid.
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Megyn Kelly
Is Jen O'Malley, Dylan. So stupid. David Plouffe is not so stupid. To understand how to say the following. My role as vice president was to support him and his agenda. No one elected me to enact my agenda. They elected me to be in a supporting role to the guy who won. And I've performed in that role. Now I'm being asked, what is my agenda? And I will tell you. My agenda is we need to do something about the border. We need to do something about inflation. I've seen these problems and I understand the pain people are feeling. And then you just pivot away like she was totally incapable of doing even that. The advisors must have seen the need to do that.
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Eliana Johnson
Yeah. Well, Megan, I think you'd make a much more capable presidential candidate than Kamala.
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Emily Jasinski
Harris, General Malley Dillon, or David Plouffe.
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Eliana Johnson
Yeah.
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Emily Jasinski
And I think also that's the thing. Like the Biden family, Biden is waning, but Biden is still powerful. The Biden family, his allies, are powerful people like General Malley Dillon, a Biden ally, is powerful and would be after a potential Kamala Harris lost. They still are. That's the amazing thing in Democratic politics is how often you can fail upward and continue to get successful positions after losing and losing and losing. So all of their, like, ruminations right now are kind of amusing from the outside. But the sad thing is that there's this tug of war going on. You saw it on MSNBC when Eddie Glaude Jr. And Stephanie rule. Stephanie Rule tried to kind of disagree with Eddie Glaude Jr. That this was all about bigotry and racism and misogyny. And she said people voted for Trump because of inflation in their pocketbooks, their bank accounts. And he stepped back in and said, no, that's, you know, basically said that she Was out of touch as a white person. And Stephanie, stand by.
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Megyn Kelly
Hold your. Hold your thought on that. I'm going to play the soundbite and take it on the back end.
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Emily Jasinski
So.
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Megyn Kelly
Good.
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Unknown
There's this sense, right, that whiteness.
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Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Unknown
Is under threat. The demographic shifts. The country isn't. What all of these racially ambiguous children on Cheerios commercials are confusing the hell out of me.
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Megyn Kelly
A lot of people voted because their life's too damn expensive. And it was here and it was there.
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Unknown
They voted for. You're telling me, Stephanie, that all of these people who believe that their lives. That bread is too high and eggs are too high, that they voted for a convicted fellow? A guy who said we can grab the pee.
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Megyn Kelly
But I think there are tons of people that don't pay attention to. And I'm not defending it. Don't pay attention to politics at all. But while we live in the most prosperous country in the world, people are saying, life's not fair. I'm not doing well. My son's still living in the basement. I can't seem to get a job. I don't like the status quo. I'm voting for something else.
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Unknown
I do not believe that. I cannot believe that. And the reason I check your believe it is because you don't want to believe that that's what's really motivating them. It's always the case. People don't want to believe what the country actually is because if they believe it, they're going to have to confront what's in them.
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Megyn Kelly
Princeton University professor. Good Lord. Can I just say one thing? Like, all of it, even her. I'm not defending it. They're uninformed. I mean, I just wanna concede that they're uninformed. I'm not defending it. They don't have the time to understand what a fascist, awful person he is, so they just voted for their pocketbook. And then him. Emily, playing like, the emotion. You don't get it. He's basically playing the race card. Like, you don't understand. You don't wanna believe what the country is, but I have to live it. I would have laughed in his face. It would have been fun to laugh in his face. Honestly, one of these days I want to sit down. I have a lot of black listeners and viewers to this show. I would love to see any one of them sitting across from this guy playing his empty race card over and over. He had only worked against Stephanie Rule because she has currency with these white liberal elites who need you to feel that way. You need to accept Eddie's worldview in order to be invited back to the cocktail party. So she's got to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, I feel the same. We're terrible. We're terrible. But, you know, it's. That's just like, they didn't do their homework. Anyway, sorry, go ahead.
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Emily Jasinski
No, she's my favorite. I call her Stephanie. What about Park Avenue Rule? Because one time she actually challenged Biden for demonizing Park Avenue. And so people who live on Park Avenue are Americans too, Mr. Biden. Amazing. But that is. I mean, I was thinking the same thing. I was like, I would love to see a black Trump supporter in conversation with Eddie Glaude Jr. Because it is just so insulated. But this is what's happening in the party right now is you have like half of the voices saying that this was about misogyny and racism and the problem was with America, not with Kamala Harris. Then you have the other half, people like Jon Favreau and Ezra Klein, who are now trying to say the Democratic Party is fundamentally out of touch. You have to start treating people like Joe Biden or Joe Biden, Joe Rogan, who's a median voter, who's not a conservative person at all. You have to start treating him with respect, and you have to start treating him seriously, and you have to start treating his listeners with respect. And those two positions. What I find amusing and also kind of disgusting about it is that the people who are playing the race and sex card are holding everyone else hostage and prisoner because they. And by the way, everyone else who is now trying to course correct is responsible for their own hostage situation because they impulse and they promoted that bullshit for years and years and years, and now they're actually trying to course correct and they can't because they're being held back by Eddie Glaude Jr. Who said just the dumbest stuff right there and has been promoted to be on msnbc, like every minute of every day. If you look up at msnbc, there he is. Because they wanted. They were supporting and promoting those ideas about American voters.
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Megyn Kelly
Right, Emily, that is so brilliant. That's exactly right. They painted their own prison cells and now they're locked in them and can't figure out how to get out of them. And Eddie's on the outside like that. You're where you belong. Here's just a little bit more from this guy. The audience may remember we ran a soundbite of him in October where he almost broke down on MSNBC Watch.
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Unknown
He's dangerous. He's Dangerous to particular people. Because we got to keep this. This troglodyte out of office. Because if he comes in, our babies are going to be in danger. Because, remember, those young children are going to grow up with the memory of having to not go to school for the threat of bombs. And somebody told them that their moms and dads eat cats if they eat cats and dogs. I'll get myself together with Claire.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, take a minute. Deep breaths. Oh, my God.
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Eliana Johnson
Well, what about that?
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Megyn Kelly
I understand Eddie, he did need a minute to find his balls. Like, what's with the blubbering? Like, oh, they're going to have to. Oh, my God. The bomb threats were bullshit from a foreign country. Of course. This is. They're talking about Springfield, Ohio, in the wake of the dogs and cats thing. Like, this is. But this is a car. This is a manipulation, Eliana, by this guy to be on there. Like, I'm crying because I'm black. And the children were shamed by the. By the dogs and cats thing. And here he is again now to Stephanie Rule. Like, you just don't want to admit what America is to people like me there. The whole point of this, and I made this point on Friday, is there's no excising that lunacy from the Democrat Party. They made the Eddie Glaude juniors, and they're going to have to live with the Eddie Glaude juniors. And I don't know what their future looks like, but they cannot coexist in the same party if they try to take out their fealty to identity politics.
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Eliana Johnson
Well, Megan, you asked. Why didn't Harris throw Biden under the bus and say, you know, inflation is a huge problem. Immigration is a huge problem. And I think part of it was fear of the Eddie Glaude junior wing of the party and how they would react if they saw her pivot to say, you know, the concerns of Trump that. The concerns Trump raises and the concerns of his voters are serious, because that faction of the party simply doesn't believe that. They believe that the animating force of those voters is racism, misogyny, and bigotry. And I think there was no point throughout this election at which she was willing to stand up to the far left of the party, including in clarifying why she had pivoted away from some of her Looney Tunes 2019 positions. And I do think. I think that's probably the best explanation for why she didn't disown Biden. And the other thing I would say about Eddie Glau Jr. Et cetera is Trump thrives off of the dynamic of their existence. Their views are so alienating to the MAGA wing of the party and he truly thrives off of that dynamic. And when I see that sort of thing, my response is sort of like, keep, keep going.
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Megyn Kelly
Me too.
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Eliana Johnson
They are propelling. You know, every time one of those clip airs, a new Trump voter is created.
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Emily Jasinski
Well, there's a really quick point on this. Did you guys see Seth Moulton? His representative said something about how, you know, we shouldn't have boys competing in sports. His staff quit. Yeah, he said that after the election, two of his staffers quit. This is the perfect illustration of them painting themselves into their own prisons.
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Megyn Kelly
He is exactly the example. Because Seth Moulton has been 180 degrees away from where he purports to now be when it comes to his legislative record. He's upset his girls might have to play against boys on the. On the field hockey field. It's because of you, Seth, that they do. You oppose the legislation that would have stopped it. You wrote, you co sponsored and voted for legislation that would require it. Screw you and your totally false empty protestations. Now either you're lying right now about your concerns about your daughters, or you're telling the truth and you completely F them just to get voter support behind you when you actually had the pen in your hand. Either way, you're a cretin. You're 100% exactly what's wrong with politicians today. I can't stand you. You make me want to move to Massachusetts where I am admitted to practice law, sir. And run against you. Maybe I'll file some legal challenge against you. If I don't decide to run for office, I'm not gonna have to dust off my Massachusetts bar card to make sure you get effed like you effed the girls of Massachusetts. Okay, sorry. I'm not sorry, actually. So on the focus of identity politics and the impossibility of getting rid of the Eddie Glau JR Strain. It's not just him. It's the strain of the Democrat Party. We've got to spend another minute. Yes, another minute on Joy Reid. It's a TikTok situation. Until her ass is fired. It's just there's no way msnbc, which is in a full meltdown now about how bad their losses were. There's no way they can keep this woman I don't like. I realize they're in the same problem that the Democrat Party is. Like they have a base that they need to keep, but she and her little friend Ellie Mustal are truly the most racist people on television. And here's her latest messaging, as some groups indeed are reportedly planning some march like the women's march. Now they're trying to get a march ready. I'll do it. They're gonna bust out their pee hats again. Okay, all right. They worked out so well the last time. And listen to Joy Reed's reaction.
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Joy Reid
Hey, I just want to give some free advice to the white progressives, particularly white progressive women who may be thinking about march marching against the Trump victory, maybe putting back on the P word hats and doing that thing. I would just say probably don't send any of those invites to any black women. You know, I'm just going to tell you right now, they're not coming. Like, I'm pretty sure black women have resigned from the Save America Coalition, Save Democracy Coalition, and definitely to save the Democratic Party coalition. I think that's probably not happening. I would just keep those invites maybe among your own friends, because I don't think they're coming. But yeah, I think black women are now on the save. Black women prioritize black men and prioritize black communities, black businesses and that and you know, the black spaces. But Save America, save the Democratic Party. Yeah, I don't think that's happening.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, first of all, well, where is your hair? What happened to your hair, Joy? It's gone. Like, it's gone from like it looked like Trump's hair and now it's gone altogether. Anywho, this is what happens when you get bitter and bitter and bitter and we've seen all these women shaving off their hair online. Have you seen this? This is like part of the resistance effort to telegraph that you hate Trump. These somewhat okay looking women are shaving off their hair. So I don't know if that is what she did there, but we already knew that you were a far lefty. You didn't have to shave your head. Second of all, the nerve, like, this is what happens, right? Emily? She looks at the white progressive women as like what? What more self flagellation could white progressive women have done to earn the little pat on the head from the joy reads of the world? Ladies, pay attention. It doesn't get you anywhere. If the conservative women or the more moderate white women let you down, you will be lumped in. Your whiteness comes first before you, your progressivism does in this battlefield. You will be diminished, you will be rejected by the joy reads of the world. Until what? Until Joy Reid gets her way at the ballot box. Emily.
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Emily Jasinski
Well, And Joy Reid is really speaking on behalf of elite, progressive black women. She's not speaking on behalf of black women as a whole. Because what we've seen over and over again in polling is that the sort of Democratic Party and its activists are far further to the left of actual black voters, Hispanic voters, than they are themselves. So on issues like policing, on issues like economics, like they tend to be cultural issues, for sure, the people like Joy Reid who are in elite media spaces are further to the left. And so her sort of going and giving this free advice, as though anybody should care about her free advice after what just happened and her performance as a journalist over the course of the cycle is hilarious. But I am curious what MSNBC does about, like, overt racism coming from Joy Reid and Nelly Nastal, which happens all of the time on their shows. Do they now recogn. Recognize it as toxic racism? Now that it's sort of been clear, it's been rejected by voters? It kind of gives them license to say, all right, this is not working. This is too far. This is radical. This is extremism. We're platforming it. You know those executives in the C Suites who are thinking through these questions, do they now say we have to stop platforming this extreme racism and acting like it's constructive and healthy? I'm actually pretty curious about that.
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Megyn Kelly
Me too. Here's a little bit more from her. Her warnings post his victory. Eliana sat 20.
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Joy Reid
Don't think because you have a green card and came through the right way, if you're brown, you may not stick around. I don't think they care whether you have a green card or not. They're pulling people out and taking people out of this country, whether you like it or not, Ali, or whether you voted for them or not. Surprise.
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Megyn Kelly
So he's going to deport all brown people, even if you're here legally, NBC owns msnbc and this organization is allowing her to spew this racist hate on their channel that he's going to deport all brown people, even those here legally. Eliana, truly, how long can they allow this, and can that party with that kind of thinking survive?
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Eliana Johnson
You know, there have been a couple news articles that have floated the idea that that NBC, that Comcast may sell msnbc. And I do think that's being floated for reasons like this, because although the Cable News Network or the cable news arm of the network makes money, it does cause some problems for the larger enterprise. And I wouldn't be totally shocked to see that happen. A lot of the headlines they make are for clips like the ones you just played. And it's now intentionally being floated in the press that this thing may, may be spun off into its own orbit. And Joy Reid will be a big part of that. But also, you know, some of the stuff that's on Morning Joe and elsewhere, it is all over the network, which has intentionally defined itself as a, as a resistance network. You know, you recall the, the absolute hysterics over the fact that Ronna McDaniel was brought, brought on as a contributor, where it was MSNBC hosts that torpedoed something that NBC was trying to do. She was supposed to be a contributor for NBC and things like that. So I actually wouldn't be shocked to.
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Megyn Kelly
See it be sold because why? Because she was a paid liar. Because she attacked the media and it's like that they're worried about her being a paid liar from a woman who's saying Trump is going to deport all brown people, even those who are here like. But they care about honesty, Aliana, because.
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Eliana Johnson
It'S a constant public relations liability for the larger NBC News Comcast enterprise.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Oh, indeed. And look, the stuff that she's peddling, like, if she wants a race riot, that's really what you take away listening to Joy Reid. She actually does want some sort of rioting in the street, some sort of race revolt she had on this person. Again, this is just on Friday. This is in ancient history to counsel people who don't want to be around their family members who voted Trump. And sadly, this actually may have been necessary because if you go online, you will see a ton of lunatics who actually are talking about disowning family members who voted Trump. Listen here.
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Joy Reid
You know, someone voted that way. Do you recommend just from a psychological standpoint, being around. We got the holidays coming up, so.
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Unknown
I love that you asked this question because, you know, there is a push, I think just a societal norm that if somebody is your family, that they are entitled to your time. And I think the answer is absolutely not. So if you are going into a situation where you have family members, where you have close friends who, you know, have voted in ways that are against you, like what you said, against your livelihood, and it's completely fine to not be around those people and to tell them why, you know, to say, I have a problem with the way that you voted because it went against my very livelihood and I'm not going to be around you this holiday. I need to take some space for me and I actually talk to adults as well as advising parents for Children. I mean, I think, I don't think that you should force children. I don't think you should have forced adults to be around people just because they're your family. I think there is a level of, you know, need to establish boundaries. And if you feel like you need to establish boundaries with people, whether they're your family or not, I think you should very much be entitled to do so. And I think it may be essential for your mental health.
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Megyn Kelly
These people are sick. They're sick. Emily. I look at this whole thing as like it started in the Democratic Party like a, like a cancer, like a basal cell that maybe you could just removed and moved on without too much invasive things, too many invasive things happening to you. And now it is a full blown metastatic pancreatic cancer. And the Joy Reads and the Eddie Glaudes, they're everywhere. And this woman who says, not just you, but your children, they need to get them away from people who are pro Trump. Okay, good luck with that. Because children go to school and they see children who disagree with things. And you want your children not to see Nana and Papa who are in their 80s, who voted for Trump for reasons like wisdom that comes with age. But you've got to turn it into, they're racist and they can't be around each other. This is, it's sick.
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Emily Jasinski
So, and also like something like 3 in 10 black men under the age of 45, according to the Associated Press, voted for Donald Trump. And same thing, he got over 50% of the popular vote. So you're talking about just completely blocking off a vast swath of the country. And on top of that, this means basically what Joy Reid is doing is continuing mainstream, these totally abstract academic concepts of internalized racism and internalized misogyny. Like if we pulled back the layers of the onion as to what she's trying to argue in that segment, it's that you shouldn't associate even with black voters for Trump or female voters for Trump, because they are internalizing misogyny. They're internalizing racism, internalizing sexism. That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Meaning they are then promoting the racism and sexism back out into society. Despite being women or black voters, they're still responsible for this racism over and over again. And we saw this a lot during the Trump years. But this, to your point about comparing this metaphorically to cancer, this is a cancer cell that started in academia. And people who went through academia were crying from the rooftops for years saying, please, please pay attention. This is becoming mainstream. This is being planted. The seed is being planted in the minds of young people. And they're moving into C suites, they're moving into newsrooms, they're moving into boardrooms. Please do something like.
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Megyn Kelly
Stop.
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Emily Jasinski
Stop throwing them a bone. Stop extending the olive branch. Stop taking this stuff seriously because it is utterly unserious. It is stupid, it is illogical, it is postmodern, and it is stupid. And that's what you now see. And toxic and. Yes. And racist and unhealthy and just awful. And this is now what you see, having infiltrated fully the newsrooms of major papers and msnbc. And now what are you going to do about it? I mean, Joy Reid lied about cnn. Joy Reid lied about her blog being hacked when people found old posts on it that were objectionable. She lied about it in msnbc.
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Megyn Kelly
They're anti gay. Yes.
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Emily Jasinski
Yes. By her own standard, would be wildly homophobic. And she claimed she was hacked. And they didn't get rid of her after that. So I'm. I mean, I don't know. I don't know.
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Megyn Kelly
Here's the other piece of it. So the watching the left, and that is CNN too, try to grapple with the messaging on the trans issue has been, I'm not gonna lie, very entertaining. Like, I don't give a shit about them anymore. You accept it. You don't accept it. The rest of the country is forging on without you. Be left in the dust and keep losing or pay attention to us and take us seriously. And like this guy in Massachusetts. I'm perfectly wide open to the idea that you are now on my side and the side of the normies. But you must atone, sir. You must tell us that you realize you've been on the wrong side. You're sorry for your votes. You will now change your votes. And you regret putting young girls in the position that your daughters have been in, then you're welcome. But you're not just going to disagree with you.
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Emily Jasinski
They smeared people who disagreed with them for years. The Equality Act. If you disagree with the Equality act, you were a bigot for years. They did that.
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Megyn Kelly
Exactly so. But they are starting to realize that we were all right and they've been completely on the wrong side. And the vast majority of Americans are on our side, too. The side of the normies. So here is the thing I mentioned to you earlier. This is amazing. There is a new public opinion research initiative called Blueprint. It's designed to take a sober, detailed look at what Democrats need to do to win in 2024. Right. So they were looking at this election and now they'd be looking at the next. At the next one. And they did a post mortem on the vote last week, week, why America chose Trump. Inflation, immigration, and the Democratic brand. All right, what does that mean? So it's this long list. You can see it's like all color coded. These are the top issues. Then it goes all the way down. And the number one issue and they. I get, I need my readers on this. So such tiny print. Okay. The number one issue is inflation was too high under Biden Harris. The number two was too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under Biden Harris. And number three was Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class. And if you look at the breakdown by like group, the number one issue. So overall for all voters, it was in that order. 1, 2 and 3. But if you look at all swing voters and swing voters who chose Trump, the number one issue was the trans issue. The number one issue, the number one thing that drove the swing state voters to Trump over Harris was the trans issue and the so called culture wars. So you go ahead and ignore it at your peril, Democrats, and get, get used to being a loser because that's the position you'll be in forevermore until you come on board. But they're having a really difficult time coming to terms with it. Ladies, I give you the CNN panel on Friday where Jay Michaelson basically loses his shit in response to the transgender issue. Watch. There are a lot of families out there who you don't believe boys should play girls sports. They're not boys.
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Unknown
I'm not going to listen to transphobia at this table.
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Megyn Kelly
I am not going to listen.
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Unknown
That's not how it is.
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Emily Jasinski
Change.
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Megyn Kelly
They're not boys. They're not boys. They're not playing girls.
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Unknown
I'm not going to sit there and.
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Reset for a second because look, this is a really heated issue. Right? And Cher, Michael, I know you. I know that you understand that people have different views on this. I think out of respect for Jay, like, let's try to talk about this in a way that is respectful.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, so let me rephrase this. Since I'm being targeted here.
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Unknown
I don't. To be clear, you are not being.
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Megyn Kelly
But I am.
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Unknown
But it's okay. I'm specifically saying that I know that you are not intending to be transphobic.
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This whole thing about trans girls is a canard. If we're talking about a tiny, tiny sliver of the population, regular people with.
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Megyn Kelly
Children look at these things and they say, you know what? This is a bit too far. You may disagree with that reality, but that's why Republicans kept running those ads over and over and over again, because.
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Unknown
They saw the metrics, suggested that they.
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Megyn Kelly
Were working those ads over and over.
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Unknown
Again and using rhetoric like you just used, saying, this is boys playing girls sports.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, sure. Michael Singleton, a moderate Republican analyst doing the Lord's work there, trying, trying to correct or stand by the actual biological facts there. And this guy Jay Michaelson, not having upset. It's a slur. To call a boy a boy, you have to call a boy who says he's trans. A girl, a trans girl. And he will not sit on this set and allow that slur to be uttered. And then Abby Phillip, who's just, just insufferable, comes in to try to like, regain control and looks at your Michael to say like, I understand, you know, your intent wasn't to offend, but on this set we're going to use, you know, language that's not offensive. She, because she too, just like Stephanie Rule needs to be in the club. She's got to say it the way the left wants her to say it or she might lose, lose her elite leftist card. And ScherMichel was 100% right. Just the most gentle pushback. ELIANA of like, this kind of is an issue. He's probably looking at the chart and Jay Michaelson hasn't seen the chart that if he maintains this nonsense position, he will lose the swing states forever.
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Eliana Johnson
Eliana yeah, that was a totally bananas and not the only one of those, the crazy roundtables that we've seen. And I do actually think Abby Phillips role there was the most problematic, where she's supposed to be the neutral moderator and weighs in to say this is not, you know, this is the sort of language we're going to use, which is actually not a neutral position. You know, I think the right.
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Megyn Kelly
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Eliana Johnson
Oh, you'd played that clip of Abby Philip trying to regain control of her, you know, crazy panel on cnn. And you know, one of the guests interrupted another to say, don't say it's boys playing girls sports. They're not boys. They're not boys. And she asked that, you know, the person who said, boys playing girls sports, use the appropriate language. And that, to me is the most egregious thing that happened on that panel. You know, the person who said, they're not boys, that guy's entitled to his opinion. Schermichael's entitled to his opinion. But for the ostensibly neutral CNN anchor to weigh in and say, you know, it's the view of the neutral person that this is the language we're going to use is ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
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Megyn Kelly
Like, right, the job of the anchor, and that is I will deal in facts. We deal in facts here on the show. The fact is it's a biological boy and her panelist, J is the one who needed the correction. You may consider them some sort of a girl, a fake girl, a trans girl, a boy posing as whatever your language is, that's okay for you here as the anchor, we need to speak factually or the viewers won't have any clue what the controversy is about.
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Eliana Johnson
Or to say, like, you know what, on this set, we're going to have room for both opinions. Like, you got to let this guy talk, talk.
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Emily Jasinski
Okay? But CNN can't do that because the Associated Press style on transgenderism was changed years ago and all of these newsrooms abide by it. So speaking on the theme that we've been talking about all show, about being painted into their own prisons, they have all accepted the Associated Press, even some conservative news outlets at the time accepted the Associated Press guideline on transgenderism, and they did the same thing with immigration. There are all kinds of AP style guide capitalizing B for black. Like, these are all changes that the newsrooms have accepted. So if Abby Philip wanted To be a genuinely neutral moderator, she would have to shirk the Associated Press guideline on discussing transgenderism that her newsroom has accepted as the kind and non bigoted and civil way to refer to people for years now like they have to if they want to go back on this. They have to admit that for years and years they were wrong. And I'm kind of interested to see how that goes.
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Megyn Kelly
You've got Senator Chris Murphy, a Democrat here in my adopted home state of Connecticut who's out there trying to offer his postmortem on what happened. It was a cataclysm electoral map wipeout. Senate D practical ceiling is now 52 seats. We're up to 53. Chris, FYI, time to rebuild the left. We're out of touch with the crisis of meaning, purpose, purpose fueling maga. We refuse to pick big fights. Our tent is too small. Does racism explain part of the attraction of the rights nativism? Of course. But mass deportation is a terrible response to Americans real sense that they are helpless in the face of global forces like increased migration. The left largely ignores this pain. So we have to address the pain, but not with the with the solution of deportation. Because it's racist, says he. We don't listen enough. We tell people what's good for them. Okay? And when progressives like Bernie aggressively go after the elites that hold people down, they're shunned as dangerous populists. Why? Maybe because true economic populism is bad for our high income base. Correct. And then he says, meanwhile, men tumble into a different kind of identity crisis as the patriarchy society's primary organizing paradigm for centuries rightly crashes. Listen to this guy trying to have it both ways. Right? Like they're racist. I understand they're racist cuz they support Trump and his deportations, but they're not wrong about immigration. The men are having an identity crisis because their patriarchy is rightly crashing. The right pushes an alluring dial back. The left says get over it. Again, a refusal to listen and offer responsible solutions. You see, we need to crash the patriarchy, but we need to offer responsible solutions to that crashing which we support and want. We need to recognize their racism in wanting immigrants out, but we need to not mock it. We need to offer a more sensible this is disgusting. This guy's a m effer. And you know what's not on his list? Anything having to do with the trans issue, which he just like that guy in Massachusetts has been shoving down our throats here in Connecticut, completely on the wrong side. He is a Far, far left radical. And this is what he was saying two months ago. This was September or October. Watch.
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Unknown
As a parent personally, I celebrate those few transgender kids who often spend their entire adolescence being shamed or marginalized by the kind of small people who push resolutions like this. I celebrate the fact that they get the experience of the camaraderie and the happiness that comes with being part of a sports team. I think that's great. I don't think that's a threat to my kids. I don't think that's a threat to my community or the nation. This is an absurd resolution. It's designed to distract Americans from Republicans real agendas. Designed to build a culture of fear and mistrust.
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Megyn Kelly
He's really focused on the happiness. He wants to make the trans kids happy. Eliana. Unlike the girls who are having literally all of their teeth knocked out by boys on the field hockey field or the girls like those in Wisconsin who went into the girls locker room after a sports match and had a so called trans student, an 18 year old male, come in fully naked to join them in the shower. But Chris Murphy is super glad that the so called trans student is happy and all the others who are unhappy, the actual girls who have a right to their privacy and do fair play and safe play, they can F right off in his world because their happiness, it's just not a priority because this is a small number.
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Eliana Johnson
Look, I think there are going to be a lot of clips like this that Democrats are going to have to reckon with because the truth is that the party went way too far left and embraced a lot of issues that, you know, America that ended up repelling a majority of Americans. And there's going to be a pivot away from these sorts of cultural issues. And I think it's going to take two or three years for the party to figure out how do they talk about issues that actually matter, both matter to Americans and don't repel them because the trans issues is one that matters deeply to them. But the way Democrats have been talking about it is one that deeply alienates most normal people. So I think it's, it's this going to take a while for Democrats to untangle and they're going to have to be willing to make a lot of people in their own coalition very angry.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean look at, look at that chart, Emily. It was the number one issue for swing state voters. Number one, it's above inflation, it's above immigration. Ignore it at your peril. Chris Murphy and all of you other late to the party Democrats who are racking your, wringing your hands and racking your brains trying to figure out how this happened. We all know that while we'd like to think we matter in states like Connecticut and New York and California, the ones who decide the presidency live in those seven critical swing states and they're paying attention. And they've had it with this nonsense.
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Eliana Johnson
By the way, Megan, I mean, we should note, and when you say it was the number one issue, the Trump campaign also, also worked very hard to make it the number one issue. And that they're best at was about this issue. And they poured hundreds of millions of dollars into putting that ad on the television sets of swing state voters. And they had a really catchy tagline, kamala Harris is for they them and Donald Trump is for you. And so I think it's hard to separate the two because, of course, before the campaign started, voters would have said inflation, immigration are the top two issues. But I think the Trump campaign did a lot to bring out this issue, knowing that it was something that would really alienate regular independent voters, undecided voters from Kamala Harris and the Democratic Party.
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Megyn Kelly
To their credit. To their credit, they did. But I have to say the women and the men like Billboard Chris, who have been activists in this space for years are the ones who made the Trump campaign recognize that they had a live wire here, that they there was something in the American populace that was infuriating. A lot of lovely, well meaning parents who had been tolerant for too long in an effort to be inclusive, not bully, but then had seen a shift to where biological girls, girls were getting bullied and hurt. And even when I talked to Trump a couple of years ago, you know, it was, he was a little on his heels. When I said, can a man become a woman? He handled it. But this wasn't really, and I was late to the party. But there have been women and men in this space for a long time who have been really pushing this and have been totally fearless, you know, so I think about them, I thought about them last week, too. It's a massive victory that they made the Trump campaign make this an issue. And look at the response.
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Emily Jasinski
Emily yeah, that is such a, such a good point. I remember when I was covering Title 9 back in like 2017, and Betsy DeVos was hesitant about actually undoing some of what the Obama administration had done because the cultural pressure at the time, coming from outlets like CNN and the Associated Press and all of these places, was so strong that even somebody like Betsy DeVos was being very, very careful about how to handle the issue. And now we fast forward. And I mean, shout out to people like Terry Schilling, the American Principles Project, who, when I talked to him a couple of days before the election, I asked him, how are you feeling about suburban women? And one of the things he said was working was running on pushback against the transgender issue. And that was. I found that very, very interesting, because what the left was saying at the time is that this is all about kitchen table issues and democracy, lowercase D, democracy. You didn't hear from a lot of corporate media outlets that Republicans were having success running on the transgender issue. And what's also interesting about that to me, is where the postmodern left, the Eddie Glaude juniors, and the right agree is that this map. But the Eddie Glaude juniors of the world will blame it on bigotry. And the right just says, we tapped into the common sense of the Joe Rogan listener who doesn't, who sees this as another one of the issues. The same ways they see it sometimes. Economic populism. They see this as them being held in contempt by the people in power because there's room for reasonable disagreement on this. They may be pro lgbt. I've talked to parents whose kids went through. Went to facilities to deal with their gender dysphoria and were fully going through the transition process because their parents are generally supportive of the LGBT issue. And the parents realized, oh, my gosh, we made a horrible mistake. We thought that we were being supportive. We thought that we were being loving, and we were wrong. And people who haven't gone through that or talked to people who have gone through that have no idea how wide the room for disagreement is on this issue, how common sense the people who disagree with this issue are and how far left many of them actually are. I mean, it's just so out of touch to continue carrying on as though this is the only acceptable position that you can have and not understand that for many people, it's not just something they disagree with. It animates them because you're telling them they're stupid and they're bigots if they disagree with you on it. And that's how you get people to the polls for Trump.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, I'm terrified to offer a list because there's just been so many great people in this space who have been very bold and brave, but just to name a few who have definitely influenced me. You got to start with J.K. rowling, right? You got to look at Abigail Schreier. And her amazing book, irreversible damage in 2020. And then the women who have just been incredibly smart in advocating on this, like Helen Joyce, like Kelly J. Keane, like Jennifer Billock, even on this show, the women who came on and really kind of helped me see the light on language, not just Kelly J. But also Kerry Prajan Bowler and Brit Mayer came on for a year and they were refusing to do that crap. And I was like, I don't know. And eventually I realized, God, they're totally right. And there's just, there's again, I hate to even say Billboard Chris, you know, Matt Walsh, there have been so many folks who have shown total and utter courage, and I'm so grateful to all of them for helping me see the truth and then to get loud about it. And all of us have been loud about it. And finally we were heard. We were heard by the Trump campaign. Riley Gaines, how could I forget her after her terrible experience with Leah Thomas? So all these women, Chloe Cole, detransitioner, who's been very brave, who was just a teenager when this was done to her, all of those fierce warriors won on Tuesday. And watching the other side try to deal with that fact is kind of entertaining and extremely gratifying. Okay, let's talk about what's happening on Team Trump right now, because it's actually really interesting what he's doing, the announcements he's made. We talked about Susie Wild on Friday, his new chief of staff. I mean, he hates women, but it's weird because he's made a couple of very big female appointments so far. So I'm weird how he's done that. He announced today he's asked Elise Stefanik, a congresswoman from New York, from upstate New York, to become UN ambassador. You know her, she's tough as nails. She's the one who cross examined those heads of university like Harvard and MIT and just eviscerated them, leading to all the resignations. She'll be great at the UN That'll be fun to watch. And you've got got to hear what he did on immigration. This is so good. It's so good. If you voted for Trump, you're getting dividends already. He's announced that he's going to appoint appoint this man named Tom Homan as his border czar. That's not a position that must be confirmed. So that's good because this guy can do what he want. Hey, if Kamala Harris can be the border czar, so can Tom Homan. He served in the first Trump administration. He was acting director then of ice, Immigration Custom Enforcement. And in his announcement, Trump said that Homan, quote, will be in charge of all deportation of illegal aliens back to their country of origin. Homan reacted to the news this morning on Fox Watch.
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Tom Homan
And look, I've seen, I've seen some of these Democratic governors say they're going to stand in the way. They're going, they're going to make a heart force. Well, know a suggestion. If you're not going to help us, get the hell out of the way.
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Unknown
Tom, you know, the last person who was border czar, she didn't want to.
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Megyn Kelly
Be called border czar.
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Tom Homan
You're proud of it, right?
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Tom Homan
You know what? I look, I look like a genius. Because when you follow failure, you can't help. You can't help succeed, right?
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Megyn Kelly
He began his career in immigration enforcement back in 1994 as a border Patrol agent. And while his career background is important, the way, the way he fires back at these bully Democrats on this issue and at the media is a thing of beauty. It's truly beautiful. Last month he was interviewed by 60 Minutes Watch. We have seen one estimate that says.
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Emily Jasinski
It would cost $88 billion to deport.
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Eliana Johnson
A million people a year.
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Tom Homan
I don't know if that's accurate or not.
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Megyn Kelly
Is that what American taxpayers should expect?
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Tom Homan
What price do you put on national security? Is that worth it?
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Eliana Johnson
Is there a way to carry out.
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Megyn Kelly
Mass deportation without separating families?
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Tom Homan
Of course there is. Families can be deported together.
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Megyn Kelly
Amazing. In 2019, Homan took part in a hearing on Capitol Hill. It's so good. About the Trump administration's border policies. He was accused by a Democratic progressive congressman of not caring about migrant children because of the color of their skin.
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Tom Homan
Do you understand that the consequences of separation of many children will be lifelong trauma and carried across generations? Have we not learned from the internment of Japanese Americans? Mr. Holman, I'm a father. Do you have children? How can you possibly allow this to happen under your wall watch? Do you not care? Is it because these children don't look like children that are around you? I don't get it. Have you ever held a deceased child in your arms? First of all, your comments are disgusting. I've served my country. I've served my country 34 years. I've served my country for 34 years. And yes, I held a five year old boy in my heart tractor trailer. I knelt down beside him and said a prayer for him because I knew what his last 30 minutes of his life were like. And I had a five year old son at the time, what I've been trying to do my 34 years serving my nation is to save lives. So for you to sit there and insult my integrity and my love for my country and for children, that's why this whole thing needs to be fixed. And you're the member of that. We agree on that. Fix it. If you want to legalize illegal immigration, good luck with that because it's going to get a hell of a lot worse on that border. If you'd say okay, from now on, there would be no consequence, no deterrence. It's not illegal to come this country illegally. More families will come. 31% women would be raped, more children would die. We're a nation of laws. If you don't like it, sir, change it. You're the legislator, I'm the executive branch and I've served my country honorably for 34 years. And I will not sit here and have anybody say that I don't care about children because you're not the same color as my children.
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Megyn Kelly
He is amazing. This guy's incredible. We looked into that story he referenced of the five year old boy that he was talking about that he did hold in his arms. It happened back in 2003. The boy died along with 19 others after being crammed into a tractor trailer with nearly 70 other migrants in total. They were being smuggled into the United States. This is how they do it. And they suffocated to death. Some tried to claw two holes through the truck's foam insulation just to try to get a breath of fresh air. Per a report by the Daily Signal at the crime scene that day, Tom Homan was there. Homan said he directed the men taking the bodies away to save the child until last. To not remove his remains until last because he said, quote, I couldn't deal with it because I just kept seeing my son there. And he held that little boy. And then that idiotic representative walked right into that. Have you ever held a dead child? Yes, I have. I've seen the consequences. That's what Homan was saying of your disastrous policy. I'm the one who's got to clean up the bodies. There were reports at the time about that disastrous truck stop and the deaths. There were at least 62 people packed into this trailer. They were in a nearly airless, heat baked container. Despite the effort to get two holes in there so they could breathe, most of the human cargo was male. That five year old boy was the youngest. But there was a girl who was 15 that day and she actually lived Sheriff's deputies there brought her cake and cookies. So much for the evil border patrol guys who are there not caring about the brown people like that representative suggested. An emergency dispatcher received a 911 call from a man speaking Spanish. This is how they found out there was an emergency there. In broken english.english. at 11:42pm the man was saying, we're asphyxiating. Help me, help me. We're asphyxiating. In Spanish. He said, we're in a trailer. We're illegals. This is the cost of that open border that people now like Harrison Biden have allowed for years. And by the way, the reports now are that we can expect the immigration problem to spike over the next couple of months until Trump gets there. That the illegal. See, this is, per the Daily Wire this morning, quoting from NBC, that they're anticipating January 20th as their deadline to get into this country. So what's Joe Biden gonna do about it? Because you're gonna get more deaths and more rapes of young. Of young girls and more families who ultimately get separated because these drug mules, these bad actors, use the children, since we're against family separation, to get across the border, and the children are exploited time and time again. Tom Holman's been on the side of the angels on this, and he's being placed back in charge. And we should all celebrate his return in that same hearing we just showed you. He also fired back at aoc, who, as always, thought that she knew better when she questioned him about the administration's zero tolerance policy.
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Eliana Johnson
Mr. Homan, your name is on this. Is this correct?
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Tom Homan
Yes, I signed that memo.
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Eliana Johnson
So you are the author of the family separation policy?
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Tom Homan
I am not the author of this memo.
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Eliana Johnson
You're not the author, but you signed the memo?
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Tom Homan
Yes. A zero tolerance memo.
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Eliana Johnson
And so the recommendation of the many that you recommended, you recommended family separation.
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Tom Homan
I recommended zero tolerance, which includes family separation. The same as is with every US Citizen. Parent gets arrested with a child.
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Eliana Johnson
Zero tolerance was interpreted as the policy that separated children from there.
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Tom Homan
If I get arrested for DUI and I have a young child in a car, I'm going to be separated. When I was a police officer in New York and I arrested a father for domestic violence, I separate that.
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Eliana Johnson
Mr. Homan, with all due respect, legal asylees are not charged with any crime.
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Tom Homan
When you're in the country illegally is Violation 8, United States Code 1325.
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Eliana Johnson
Seeking asylum is legal.
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Tom Homan
If you want to seek asylum, you go through the port of entry, do it the legal way.
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Megyn Kelly
He's Incredible, isn't he? My God, the EJ's are back with me now. Emily and Eliana. I don't know what more. Just as I was thinking, I don't know what more we could ask for. We get the announcement that Trump is putting Stephen Miller also on the immigration case. He's deputy assistant. What is he, Steve, glossing over his official title? Deputy Chief of Staff for policy on the immigration front. And he's the guy who came up with a lot of those policies that work so well under Trump, like remain in Mexico and some of the executive orders that Trump signed requiring us to crack down on these BS asylum claims. That's a dream team, Emily.
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Emily Jasinski
Tom Homan is so interesting because one of the ways he first started, I think, really getting it in media, is that he worked for the Obama administration. He's been given, like, an award by Barack Obama, and I think that's what gives him the confidence to go and talk to AOC like that, because he saw this flawed process from the inside. He saw it on the ground, and he's able to then sort of flip the script and say, this is zero tolerance. And you saw her kind of pause there. It was really interesting when he said it was a zero tolerance memo. She didn't totally know what to do with that because it's the script being flipped on her. And he's a great example of somebody who's able to do that with confidence and boldness because he sort of has worked for the other side. He's talked to the other side, he's been friendly with the other side. And so he's able to just say, listen, I don't give a damn. Like, I've seen this. I know exactly what I'm talking about. And so he's a huge asset for Trump, Stephen Miller, somebody who is totally vilified in the press. And Trump isn't afraid to appoint him to a deputy Chief of staff position. So you're definitely seeing fearlessness. There's no hesitation from Donald Trump at all about bringing some of these people, no matter how vilified they are in the press.
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Megyn Kelly
Stephen Miller is a genius. He is a genius, and he knows immigration better than almost anyone. And I don't. I'm thrilled that he's willing to take the risk with, you know, his family, his wife being called a white supremacist over and over. He was a newlywed. They were calling him terrible names. That's what's gonna happen if you try to clean up the border. We've seen it. Time and time. So it does require nerves of steel to say yes to this. Homan looks like he's got him. We know Stephen Miller's got him. I'm overjoyed to see this, Eliana. And in the news today, too, Tom Homan making clear that President Trump's deportation priorities are not about people who are here unlawfully who are abiding by the law. Now, I realize it's a crime to sneak into the country illegally across the border, but that, that's not the priority. The priority is the criminals who are here and causing havoc in the states. And in response to that, you already get, like, the Massachusetts governor coming out and saying, we will not cooperate, we will not. You know, what happens is this person, Massachusetts, is seeing a rash of rapes by these illegals in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. And what happens when an illegal range rapes somebody is they go to jail if they get arrested. And then you might find out that there's a detainer on them from ice. They're in the system as like, hey, we're looking for this illegal. If you happen to catch this person committing a crime, please call us. And what happens in sanctuary cities or states like Massachusetts is the cops see that and they say, we don't give a shit. We don't care. We won't be calling ice. We're going to release this guy back out into the general public like he's just like a, like a shoplifter. And we are not going to be involving immigration authorities. And now the Massachusetts governor has gone on the record saying, we will not be cooperating. We will maintain our status as a sanctuary state. And that's going to be the next battle as Trump tries to get the worst of the worst out of the country. Eliana and the media will be on the wrong side.
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Eliana Johnson
I think there are a couple interesting things happening here with personnel. The, the first. The first is the order with which these picks are being made. You know, first you had Susie Wilds being named chief of staff, and she's a really interesting pick who couldn't be more different, I, I don't think from Reince Priebus, who was Trump's first chief of staff last time around, who was somebody he didn't really know. I mean, Reince was running the rnc. Trump and the RNC weren't that close when he ran. Susie has been running his operation since 2021. And somebody who has really gained his trust and demonstrated an ability to manage. Manage both Trump and his operation. The second is that the first appointments we're seeing coming from Trump are on immigration, which I think sends a signal to folks that he's going to take the issue seriously. You know, the first, the first appointment coming out wasn't the secretary of state or the secretary of defense, but it was the immigration czar. And I do think that's intentional and sends a signal and also to see we haven't talked about Elise Stefanik going to the United Nations. She's someone who is he talked about strong women. She's I think likely to be in the mold of Nikki Haley who was there before, who will be an advocate for America and Israel on the world stage. And so thus far we're seeing interesting appointments that I think are broadcasting the president elect's intentions for what he intends to prioritize.
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Megyn Kelly
The other interesting battle unfolding right now, Emily is in the Senate where they called to Massachusetts Senate race, not Massachusetts, Pennsylvania Senate race for Dave McCormack who defeated Democrat incumbent Bob Casey. Good for him. And Casey's trying to challenge it, but it doesn't look like that's going to go very far. And also the Republicans are on track according to the latest count to win the House. Going to be tight. It looks like maybe still they'll have a four vote margin. So not a lot what they've had already. But it's very important that they win the House. And so right now, by the latest count, I'm informed that by people in the know, the Republicans expect them to pull it off. So now the question switches to leadership in the Senate and they're going to what the reports are is that Mitch McConnell is pushing through a vote on leadership, the next generation of leadership this week, which is very soon, doesn't give a lot of time for people to get organized. And it's between John Thune, John Cornyn and Rick Scott. Rick Scott is a senator, former governor in Florida who is much more in the MAGA mold and the other two are much more like establishment Republicans. There are some tape circulating of them crapping all over Trump when the Eugene Carroll allegations came out. That's obviously an attempt to signal to Trump that these are not MAGA loyalists, whereas Rick Scott is on board with the president's agenda. So what do you think is going to happen with this and what do you think should happen?
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Emily Jasinski
Yeah, this is fascinating. And I was reading Politico Playbook this morning. They did a rundown that was basically totally wrong and just clueless. This has been a campaign that's sort of been happening in the background for a really long Time and anybody with good sources in the Republican Senate coalition knows that Rick Scott has been trying to lay the groundwork for this for a really, really long time, and that he has also gotten good support from conservative stalwarts like Ted Cruz, even people like Marco Rubio. And like that has been going on for more than a year now because Mitch McConnell was sort of clearly on his way out. Cornyn and Thune are close to McConnell. And so if you want to sort of purge McConnellism from the Senate, which a lot of Trump allies in the Senate know needs to be done, then Mike Lee and Rick Scott and this sort of campaign they've been orchestrating for a long time in the background is really important now. I don't think there's a great option in this race. I think, you know, even people close to Rick Scott would tell you he's not the kind of perfect ambassador for MAGA for a lot of reasons, like he doesn't have the kind of personal charm some politicians do, and he hasn't really been in leadership. So he might not understand exactly how the machinations work in the background. But what Mike Lee and others are trying to do behind the scenes right now is make a point and say, we, we are done with the Mitch McConnell approach to voters. We are done with this approach to the Senate where you just go along with leadership, and leadership runs everything, and we're not sticking any. We're not trying to actually disrupt the Washington machine at all. So that's what they're trying to turn this battle into. And that's where you're seeing a lot of people get on Rick's Scott's side, even if they're close with Thune or Cornyn or whomever, because they understand the voters want to see them kind of stick it to McConnell. And a big question going forward is what Trump does. It looks like he's going to stay out of it. But a lot of people, in order to appeal to their Trump voters in their own states, are actually going to face kind of a hard decision in this one. Because if Rick Scott doesn't win and you allied with him, what happens with Thune and Cornyn if one of them is in leadership position? It's a tough situation. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, the. By the way, Senator Rick Scott's gonna be on the program tomorrow, which is one day before the vote, so that ought to be an interesting interview. I hope you guys tune in for that. It's kind of fascinating to watch it play out. It's very clear that Team MAGA wants Rick Scott. And Trump hasn't weighed in as of today. As of the time I'm speaking, probably because he wants to have a good working relationship with whoever gets it, but he's obviously not a fan of Mitch McConnell. Those, those two, they're not, there's not a lot of love lost there, Eliana. But I'll give you a window into what Team Mag is saying about it in the form of this tweet from Tucker Carlson, who doesn't tweet a lot, and he tweeted out the following yesterday. What the hell is going on in the US Senate? Hours after Donald Trump wins the most conclusive mandate in 40 years, Mitch McConnell engineers a couple coup against his agenda by calling early leadership elections in the Senate. Two of the three candidates hate Trump and what he ran on. One of them, John Cornyn, is an angry liberal whose politics are indistinguishable from Liz Cheney's. The election is Wednesday. It's by secret ballot, also important, and it will determine whether or not the new administration succeeds. Rick Scott of Florida is the only candidate who agrees with Donald Trump. Call your senator and demand a public endorsement announcement. Public being the operative word there of Rick Scott. Don't let McConnell get away with it again. And then Robert Kennedy responded saying, without Rick Scott, the entire Trump reform agenda wobbly. What do you make of it?
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Eliana Johnson
I actually don't think it's quite that simple. First, Trump. There are reasons that Trump hasn't endorsed and has stayed out of it. You know, the ballot secret, which is a big deal. So nobody's going to know who voted for whom. But the Senate leadership position, it matters for understanding the way the Senate operates and then for keeping a coalition together. And that's what McConnell was good at. So Trump, I think, is going to be weighing in terms of endorsements, who can keep, keep 50, what looks like it's going to be 53 Republicans together. He's, he's going to want to nominate some crazy and controversial people. And in fact, he's already floated the idea that he wants the Senate to move for recess appointments. Having a Senate majority leader who's not that popular may not be the best thing for him if he wants someone who can keep, who can wrangle votes for him. So I think it's actually more pop, more more complicated than, like, who's the most MAGA here. You really may want to think about who can wrangle the most votes for him, who's also going to be an ally. And like, look, at the end of the day, Any one of these guys is going to have to be an ally to Trump, you know, to varying degrees has some more than others, but like they're going to need somebody who understands how the Senate works, where the weak points of each one of these guys is and how to cobble together the most vote votes.
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Megyn Kelly
What do you make of that, Emily? Because it seems to me that in the same way Trump said I'm the get out the vote efforts like just me being me will get people out to the polls. And he was right. Isn't Trump the thing that's going to make the Republicans vote Trump? Because they're all afraid of Donald Trump campaigning against them saying negative things. Again, like which Republican would have the Stone Jones to undermine Trump on his agenda with what is very clearly a mandate from the country right now?
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Emily Jasinski
Well, I think probably the best example of where you could see a McConnell ally having the boldness to do that would be on Ukraine. And so if JD Vance now is president of the Senate, incoming president of the Senate is pushing for cutting funding to Ukraine, which he's signaled in every instance that he absolutely would do conditionally, of course, it's more nuanced than people say he just wants to stop, you know, cut off all funding in Ukraine. But if that starts to get pushed, I think what the people like Mike Lee and Rick Scott see is a real, there's a absolute will to undermine the mega agenda on foreign policy by people who are really close with the Republican donor class. And it's fine to disagree with the mega position on Ukraine, but it is a deeply held belief among Republican leadership. And so I actually think it's not implausible at all that there would be very, very bitter backroom fights over that in particular that you wouldn't get with a Rick Scott. And to Eliana's point, it's also though true, Rick Scott lacks the sort of charm to get a Susan Collins and to do a little push and pull in those negotiating situations in the backrooms, which is what you do when you're in leadership. So there's something, you lose something with that too.
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Megyn Kelly
But I think Susan Collins is annoying. She's annoying. And I'm not sorry that we don't really need her vote anymore, although they.
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Emily Jasinski
Would have to deal with her because I mean, yeah, it's true they don't really need her vote. But on certain issues there are different senators where that Ukraine is going to be the litmus test for how some.
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Megyn Kelly
Of these didn't I just see you used to be at the Federalist, you tell me. I think I saw Sean Davis saying that he got attacked by John Cornyn at, as a Neville Chamberlain for saying, I really like the idea of getting out of these forever wars. And I think it was about Ukraine. I'm trying to remember if I'm tying the two together unfairly. But he was taking a more of a peacenik position and got called Neville Chamberlain by John Cornyn.
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Emily Jasinski
And as soon as John Cornyn sent that tweet, Sean at the time, this was less than a year ago, Sean at the time was like, send John Cornyn's comms director an email and ask him to debate me on Federalist Radio Hour, which I used to host, and did it and got a response from them back right away being like, no. So that's how, how it all played out. But it was, I mean, he straight up called him, compared him to Neville Chamberlain, and that's how deep this goes with them. They are very deeply opposed to Trump as a person. They're very deeply opposed to some of these tenants of the MAGA agenda. And so they know they need to keep Trump happy. I agree with that. But there are. They have buttons that, once you press them, things become untenable between Trump and them.
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Megyn Kelly
This is going to be kind of interesting, ladies. You know, it's not all smooth sailing just because Trump won the election. There is deep divisions within the Republican Party. Look what's happened in the House over the past few years with the leadership elections over and over and deep divisions there, not quite as deep as on Team Blue, but they're there. So they're going to have to learn to navigate through that. And we'll see soon. I mean, I guess we'll find out on Wednesday. I will say this. My team tells me that McConnell announced he was leaving in February and said the leadership election would be in November. Back then, it seems that the other side would like a little bit more time to, I guess, organize and get the good word out and have meetings and do all the things. So we'll see, and we'll see most of all what Trump does, if anything, to move the needle. Stand by. Quick break. More with the EJ's after this. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM. It's your home for open, honest and provocative conversations with a most interesting and important political, legal and cultural figures. Today, you can catch the Megyn Kelly show on Triumph, a SiriusXM channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love. Great people like Dr. Laura Glenn Beck, Nancy Grace, Dave Ramsey, and yours truly, Megan Kelly. You can stream the Megan Kelly show on SiriusXM at home or anywhere you are. No car required. I do it all the time. I love the Sirius XM app. It has ad free music coverage of every major sport, comedy talk, podcast and more. Subscribe now. Get your first three months for free.
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Unknown
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Megyn Kelly
Offer details apply it is Veterans Day and an important time to take a moment and just remember the sacrifice that our veterans have made for us. And we know a lot of them. I'm sure you guys do too. And we do a lot of interviews with veterans. I'm thinking of, you know, guys like Sean Ryan who came on and talked just recently in May about his experience and just it can cause a lot of trauma. And I feel like the least the country can do is on a day like this, stop and think about them. You know, just because we've moved on from the wars doesn't mean the wars have moved on from these guys who served us. So a couple of examples of our best and bravest. A couple of Memorial days ago, we had on Marcus Luttrell and his identical twin brother Morgan. It was actually we were gonna do them on Memorial Day and then we moved it to August and it wound up being being it was the August of the disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal and they were still reeling from the horror of it. But this is a nice story. This is Marcus Luttrell. His whole story was told in Lone Survivor. They made a movie out of it with Mark Wahlberg and his brother. Here you're going to hear his identical twin brother telling about the moment they got the call down in Texas that he had been found, that Marcus had been found and was alive, which was very much in doubt.
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Morgan Luttrell
Listen, Master Chief Gothro was out there and he's the one that would answer the phone. And by this time there's anywhere, there's about 40 seals out there. And we would all pile into my father's bedroom, which was little bitty and shoulder to shoulder. And Master Chief's on the phone. He's like, yes, sir. Roger that. Understood. Roger that. Yes, sir. And he dropped his head and I mean, we lost it, right? We was like, oh, my God. You know, the worst case scenario, I'm sitting there staring at him. Every was crying around and they're staring at him and he, he, he gives us a thumbs up. Anyhow, my parents came walking in, and then some of my best friends came walking in. They saw everybody else crying. Mom loses it. Dad losing. They're like, no, no, no.
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Tom Homan
They.
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Megyn Kelly
They found him.
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Morgan Luttrell
He's rescued. So Amy's. I don't remember who it was. Walked out to the crowd and said they found him. And I mean, it sounded like the Super Bowl.
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Megyn Kelly
Like, I could hear it from Afghanistan. So all the.
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Morgan Luttrell
But the problem with that was all the. All my friends and family were celebrating the fact that we found my brother, but all the seals that were out there and all the other. And there were some Marines and Army, and everybody had just started to come out and spend time with us. We were still very stoic because we're down. We're down, men.
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Megyn Kelly
Just an incredible story. And Marcus Luttrell is always very clear that he wanted the. There were four of them, three guys who died in the mission with him. It's important to him that they be mentioned. And so we do salute today. Lieutenant Michael Murphy, Petty Officers Danny Dietz and Matt Axelson as well, and many others who died in trying to find Marcus. Something that he blames himself for, which he shouldn't. You know, he's got severe survivor's guilt, but is doing his best to live with that. What a good man. It's just a good reminder of just the incredible type of soldiers and SEALs that this country produces. And again, they need to be remembered in donations, in thoughts, in prayers. If you see them on the street, if you can give up your nice seat on an airplane or a bus or anything for them, like, what we can do for our veterans must be done, and less of ourselves and more of them. That is episode number 149. It was from August of 2021. The show was about a year old when we did that. I'm gonna take you back even even further to episode 109. And literally, like my favorite interview I've ever done, which was Rob O'Neill, the man who Shot Bin Laden. And this particular segment, we weren't even on camera yet. It was just audio only. This is episode 109. And his description of the Navy Seals and others on board the chopper flying into the Bin Laden gotten complex when they had gotten the intel from the CIA analyst on where he was and how to find him.
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Unknown
Listen, before we left, I had one of my guys say, because we accepted death, that's it. We're really going to die. He said, don't take this the wrong way, because I'm 100% going, don't worry about that. I'm going. I just need to say it out loud. If we know we're going to die, why are we going? And so we had a conversation and we had a conversation. We said, okay, well, we're not going after bin Laden for the fame or the reward or the bravado. We are going after Osama bin Laden for the single mom who dropped her kids off at elementary school on a Tuesday and 45 minutes later, she jumped to her death out of a skyscraper because that was a better alternative than whatever the hell was going on inside at 2500 degrees Fahrenheit height. And her last gesture of human decency was holding her skirt as she jumped out of a building and murdered herself. She was never supposed to be in the fight. We're supposed to be in the fight. That's why we're going.
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Megyn Kelly
Still get emotional listening to that. Rob O'Neal is a hero. Those guys, it's humbling, isn't it, Eliana? You listen to that and you just remember, like, how small your own life is, however big you may think it is. And the amount of sacrifice these guys go through, not just while they're over there seeing their friends die losing limbs too many times, but then when they come back. And the readjustment. Dakota Meyer, Medal of Honor recipient, came on the show as well and talked about how when he got back stateside, he tried to take his own life. Thank God someone who loved him, an angel, had taken the bullets out. But it's those guys we think of today and try to remember how humble we must be when we think about our own lives.
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Eliana Johnson
Absolutely. And to those people to whom we owe all the freedom we have in our day to day lives. Takes a lot to protect.
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Megyn Kelly
It takes nerves of steel. I mean, that's the thing, Emily. It's like I've often said, I just sit at this desk, you know, like we can call ourselves warriors for free speech or this cause or the other very different story when you actually lay your life on the line for the country. Country.
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Emily Jasinski
Yeah, we don't celebrate these men and women enough. And I mean, to them the bravery is just so normal. And that's what's, what's so incredible. So it's a wonderful country. And the negativity about it is sad when you hear these amazing stories of bravery and sacrifice.
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Megyn Kelly
But you have, you have a president now, President elect, who says he's going to rebuild our military, he's going to get Wokeism out of the military. And let's not forget the Gold Star families who lost their 13 service personnel, daughters and sons, in that disastrous Afghanistan withdrawal in August of 2021, who were made a campaign issue in this whole thing by Kamala Harris, who disgustingly stepped on a rake about them honoring President Trump at Arlington. And they had their final say as well. A commander in chief who loves and respect them will be returned to the office. Do not believe the lies told about Trump on that front. And I believe our military is in for better days ahead. Ladies, thank you both so much. As I mentioned, tomorrow we have Senator Rick Scott on the show locked in a battle for the next Senate majority leader. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.