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Kimmel's "Widow" Double Standard, Left Celebrates Political Violence, and Newsom's Hypocrisy, with Stu Burguiere | Ep. 1305
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Megyn Kelly begins the show by discussing how Jimmy Kimmel blamed Trump instead of apologizing on his show after joking about Melania happily becoming a widow, his pathetic desperation and irrelevance, George Clooney and Jake Tapper defending Jimmy Kimmel’s disgusting “joke” about Donald Trump dying, whether ABC should keep him on the air, the problem with corporate media journalists getting cozy with those they have to cover, and more. Then Stu Burguiere, host of "Predictable" and "Stu and Dave Do America," joins to discuss why ABC ignores their own rules with Jimmy Kimmel after they unfairly forced out host Chris Harrison, the absurd pile-on that happened at the network with Harrison, Hasan Piker praising "social murder" of the healthcare CEO, the left not only justifying political violence but celebrating it, the shocking number of young and educated leftists who think violence is ok, liberals trying to “both sides” political violence despite the actual facts and evidence, the ...
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Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show and Happy Tuesday. We are learning more about the disturbing past of White House correspondents. Dinner would be assess and Cole Allen and the shocking things the left is saying I about assassination. I would like to tell you you're going to be shocked, but you're not going to be. We may have found the most unhinged comment of all on this whole thing from altogether now, Joy Reed. But we've got to start the show with ABC's chief narcissist and so called late night comedian Jimmy Kimmel. What is he still doing on the air? Like, why is he still there? We told you yesterday how President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump are both calling on ABC to fire him over this so called joke Kimmel made on Thursday.
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Jimmy Kimmel
And of course our first lady Melania is here. Look at more. So beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow.
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Megyn Kelly
Now that is obviously an abhorrent, tasteless attempt at humor. It's super fun and funny to talk about Trump being assassinated. That, that's just so funny and, and suggesting that she's going to enjoy it. She wants him dead. That's very clearly the implication of the joke. She wants him dead and is looking forward to it. That's why she's glowing. Why else would there be a glow, Jimmy? But if you're going to give Kimmel the benefit of the doubt, you have to remember he said that Thursday, well before Saturday's attempted assassination of Trump. Okay, but it was after all the other assassination attempts. Like, I don't accept that. I realize he made this comment before Saturday's attempted assassination. Um, does anyone remember a prior assassination attempt on Trump, one that preceded Thursday? I do, I do. I remember. I remember a few of them, actually. Two extremely prominent. A third got less coverage, but there were at least three and One nearly killed him. So it's really not funny. You know, those of us who remember the news, like, more than a day's worth, don't think it's really funny to joke about assassinating Trump, you know, cuz, like, it almost happened many times. So it might be something. A comedian in good taste, like one who's broadcasting every night on the network as opposed to at the Great Comedy Cellar, where anything goes, might want to uphold a certain standard of decorum and not joke about the thing that nearly happened and horrified a nation. But Jimmy Kimmel has no class. He has no standard of decency. We've seen that repeatedly. Why did he think it was okay to joke about Charlie Kirk's assassination before Charlie was even in the ground? Remember when he suggested that the killer might be maga, which is not true, and there was zero evidence of it, but somehow he thought that was funny, too. He has no class. Okay, so Melania, as you know, was seated right next to President Trump on Saturday night, completely exposed on stage. She obviously was scared. You could see it in the screen grab that's been circulating of her face the moment she realized that those were gunshots and she's sitting next to the man for whom they were clearly intended. So Kimmel made the joke before that, but then he sees that, and he goes back on the air on Monday to address that. And you would think, if you're in Jimmy Kimmel's shoes, I said this yesterday, that you maybe had an oh, shit moment when you saw this happen. Like, oh, my God, I just made a joke about him getting assassinated. This is gonna blow back on me. And you might go out on the air on Monday and just say, you know what? It was a tasteless joke. I apologize. Obviously, I don't want anything to happen to the president or First Lady. That's not exactly how it went. Watch.
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Jimmy Kimmel
This was Thursday, and there was no big reaction to it until this morning, when I greeted the day facing yet another Twitter vomit storm and a call to fire me from our First Lady, Melania Trump, saying I should be fired because of a joke I made again five nights ago. It was a pretend roast. I said, our first lady Melania is here. Look at her. So beautiful. Mrs. Trump, you have a glow like an expectant widow, which obviously was a truth about their age difference and the look of joy we see on her face every time they're together. It was a very light roast joke about the fact that he's almost 80 and she's younger than I am. It was not by Any stretch of the definition, a call to assassination. And they know that I've been very vocal for many years speaking out against gun violence in particular. But I understand that the first lady had a stressful experience over the weekend, and probably every weekend is pretty stressful in that house. And also I agree that hateful and violent. Violent rhetoric is something we should reject. I do. And I think a great place to start to dial that back would be to have a conversation with your husband about it.
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Megyn Kelly
Ah, okay. So it's all on Trump. It's Trump's fault. You need to talk to your husband about hateful rhetoric. I'm not excusing all the things that Trump says, but Jimmy Kimmel's responsible for his own comments, his own behavior. And if he actually wants us to believe that he agrees hateful and violent rhetoric is bad, he needs to explain why he continues to do it, because that clearly was not a joke about age difference. It was an assassination joke. We all know that. It's obvious. Only people suffering from Trump derangement syndrome would believe that lie. Okay, no, he did not explicitly call for violence there, but there is no question. He. He crossed the decency and good taste line on network television. All right? He suggested Melania Trump wants her husband dead. And given the context of what we've seen, that obviously carries a potential import of assassination, which, again, now has nearly happened to Trump four times. Three prior to his joke. Did we see Trump have a heart attack in recent history? Did we see Trump get diagnosed with a devastating potential cancer? Did we see Trump almost get hit by a bus? None of those things happened. What happened was three times he was nearly assassinated. That's obviously what this cretin is talking about. He's just scared shitless now because once again, he's stepped in it and he doesn't want his Precious Stone show to be canceled. God forbid he'd be relegated to the podcast world. Oh, Lahara, he. He needs to be on that stage. It makes him feel important. So now he's lying. He's lying and saying that this was about something other than it was. Oh, just the age difference. Oh, you know, it's like a. It's just the age difference. The May December romance between the two of them. He's desperate. He's irrelevant. I don't know why we spend so much time on him, but he continues to say the most vile things from a very prominent perch, and therefore we all feel obligated to say, what the fuck, abc? It's not just Kimmel, though. It's not just Kimmel. You would think if you were a leftist, now might be a good time. If you like Kimmel and you hate Trump, just keep your mouth shut. Don't pile on because you could get dragged down, too. It's not a time for you to stand up for him. He needs to twist and eventually be cut loose, not saved. But the problem is George Clooney has a God complex. Remember when he was lecturing yours truly about how to do good journalism because he played a journalist in a movie and he thought it made him a journalism expert? George. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. He has a God complex. Just the way he talks, you know, like, with his little head, you know, like, let me. And then everything's, like, through his squinted eyes, like, he's got bad eyesight, you know, like, let me tell you, let me tell you, like, barely looking up, you know, like he's been punched in the face too many times. He's got to, like, kind of look up to make his little comments. He looks like something's wrong with him. He's got some permanent crick in his neck. He had, like, neck surgery that went bad. He looks bizarre. In any event, he also looks very old, which is part of his problem because he's out of touch. He truly is out of touch. And, like, what modern standards of decency are. He thinks this is fine. He. He is truly the most sanctimonious man in show business. And he was at his own gala where he was receiving an honor, yet another honor for George Clooney. Um, so he and his absurd wife showed up, and he chose his moment. You know, just like, you know how he thinks the Democrat Party's just waiting for the next word from George Clooney after he wrote his little op ed that the Biden he saw at that fundraiser was not the Biden that he had known. And he was so brave to speak truth to power. And then Jake Tapper interviewed him after the fact, and he was like, you know, well, my party, my party, my party was lying. My party wasn't telling the truth. So I. George Clooney had to do it. After the debate meltdown, after Biden's. George Clooney didn't find his courage when Joe Biden could still get away with his lies about his mental health. It was only when we saw the debate meltdown that was undeniable, and we all realized how infirm he was that finally George Clooney, realizing they were going to lose, found his backbone and spoke truth to power. So That's George, okay? He's gonna lecture me about how to do my journalism. He's gonna lecture the Democrat Party about its lies that he himself participated in until the moment when he realized that they were going to cost the Democrats that seat, the White House. And now he's got a thing to say about Jimmy Kimmel. Watch.
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Chris Harrison
Jimmy's a comedian. And I would argue that Caroline Levitt didn't mean shots should be fired.
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Johnny Carson
Right.
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Chris Harrison
She was making a Jo joke. Fair enough. So I look at that side and go, well, jokes are jokes, but the, the rhetoric, I think, is a little dangerous. And I, I, We've seen it a lot lately, okay?
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Megyn Kelly
He's referencing there a phrase Caroline Levitt used before the dinner on Saturday night on the red carpet about what to expect from President Trump's speech at the correspondence dinner. Caroline obviously was actually not joking. That was not a joke. It's what we call an idiom, George, figurative speech. Something that cannot literally be true. It doesn't make. It wouldn't make sense if it were literally true. She was not joking that the President was going to shoot people. Okay? It's like, are pigs flying? It's an idiom, a figure of speech meant to connote a certain meaning here, that the President was going to be launching broadsides against various members of the press for their reporting, which is the bread and butter of what the President's supposed to do at the correspondence dinner. As I was telling you guys yesterday, that's exactly what you hope he does. The general rule is singe, don't burn. And she seemed to be suggesting there might be a few who get burned. But once again, that's another idiom when no one's actually expecting the President to burn people. Okay? So it's actually not a joke, and the difference is meaningful here. He's trying to say she was yucking it up. Yuck. Oh, he's going to be shooting the shots. Same as Jimmy Kimmel, who said she had the expectant glow of a widow. That's not what happened. Caroline Levitt used a figure of speech there. There'll be some shots fired. Rhetorical shots fired. She wasn't joking. She actually was in good humor, predicting that the President was going to do exactly that which is acceptable and the reason he gets invited. It's expected and welcomed by members of the press corps. That's not at all the same as what Jimmy Kimmel did, which was a bad taste, classless, borderline call for violence. It's borderline, I grant you that. It's not explicit. But given the context, you could make the case. I could make the case in front of a jury pretty easily, actually. Even Melania wants him dead. Cole. Mr. Cole. Even Melania would like him dead. You'd be doing her a favor. It's really what he was saying. Okay. It was a joke. I agree. The question is whether whether it was in good taste, whether it had class, and whether it should be allowed at a place like abc. You know who else made a bad taste joke? Roseanne, about Valerie Jarrett. When she compared her to somebody in Planet of the Apes. It was a joke very clearly, and she got fired for it on the spot. They said it was racist. Valid. She, Roseanne, plausibly quickly said thereafter, I didn't even know Valerie Jarrett was black. She looks totally white, by the way. She's as white as I am. I didn't know she was black either. But okay, so. So Roseanne gets fired. I mean, immediately. She was hosting and the star of the number one show on television at the time, the reboot of her show Roseanne. Abc. Disney did not hesitate. She's gone for a joke, a bad taste joke. So where. Where's the line? Abc, Truly, where is the line? Because the rest of us are trying to play by your rules. Those of us on the right, we actually are not really big on canceling comedians. And you know what? We haven't been for five, 10 years. But we watched you do it repeatedly. We watched the left do it. Whether it was was Shane Gillis because he made an accent. He did an Asian accent. He got yanked from SNL that he got canceled. Remember? He wasn't. Okay. We talked with a comedian from our evil top hat Canada who was trying to make it here and up in Canada when we first launched this show, talking about how he could not get cast anywhere. It wasn't a cancellation, but it was effectively a blacklisting because he's a white guy. During the COVID mania, the George Floyd of Palooza time that we could go through it. We've had a lot of comedians on this show. A lot of them, Tim Dillon, Andrew Schultz, they've all talked about this dynamic. They came for the comedians. And apparently Clooney missed it because he didn't stand up for anybody in their jokes, then kept his mouth shut. He was happy to see them suffer as he rolled around in his millions of Lake Como thinking he's better than everybody. So look, as long as George wants to speak out, as he's in the mood for a chat, he wants to talk about rhetoric we can do that. Would love to ask him. And if that reporter had any stones, would have about his $1 million donation to the Southern Poverty Law center, or SPLC, now that the group has been indicted for funding so called hate organizations through paying what it claims were informants. See, George gave them a million dollars. They used that million dollars to hire people to go cause the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally. The SPLC was allegedly funding that rally and half the people behind it with payments from people like George's. A girl died at that event. She got hit by a car. Does George take any responsibility? Did George feel like he should apologize and he should say, I got, I didn't know, had no idea. My, I'm gonna take my money back. Right? Like it's ridiculous. And God forbid, God forbid the reporters there do their homework and actually just ask him a tough question. But no, he just goes to be honored, you see, and then he does his little headcock, squinty eye thing, his little Shakespeare. He's got like, what does he have Parkinson's? He's like always shaking and offers his little sanctimonious opinion. Fuck off. Okay? But she's. He's just an actor. All right, what about the so called serious journalists? What do the serious journalists think about Jimmy Kimmel's yuck, yuck, yuck. About Melania wanting her husband, the President of the United States, dead? Here's Jake Tapper.
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Stu Berghear
It is a big problem of calls for violence and dehumanization, and it's getting worse. But it is not a problem to be wielded like a cudgel to try to stop journalism or jokes. Journalism and jokes are not calls for violence. Calls for violence are calls for violence. And far too many Americans in positions of power and influence are too blase and too glib about those who make them.
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Megyn Kelly
It's no surprise Tapper's coming. To the defense of Jimmy Kimmel, here's Jake at a 2023 party at Jimmy Kimmel's lodge in Idaho. My friends, this is why you don't get too close with the people who you might be covering. Honestly, like I. There's a reason I say no to virtually every invitation that comes my way. I don't want to be chummy with these people. I don't want to. I know the odds are high that I'll have to cover them, and that includes the Trump administration, as you guys well know. There will be times when I have to criticize them as I've done. I just, I don't want to get too chummy with any of these folks. Arm's length, cordial, friendly, okay. But like this, hanging out with Jennifer Aniston and Courtney Cox. Jimmy Fallon. Oh, yeah, okay, I'm sure, I'm sure you did defend Jimmy Kimmel super quick. I'm sure you're looking for another invitation out to Idaho, where you should never have gone and you should not be hoping to go again. And that way you might still have your objectivity about the people that are obviously going to come within your coverage ambit as a news anchor. Or how about astronaut Gayle King? I mean, if you want to know if something's out there, who better to go to than an astronaut? Watch. It started last Thursday when Jimmy Kimmel skewered the lack of a comedic emcee at the upcoming White House Correspondents Dinner by hosting a pretend roast of his own. Initially, Kimmel's comments didn't get much pickup. Nancy, I'm glad you put it in context that that joke was made before the correspondence dinner. Jimmy Kimmel's not some crazy person who would wish the President to be killed.
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Stu Berghear
That's.
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Megyn Kelly
He just would not do that. Okay? That's. That's opinion masquerading as fact. That's. Who. Who asked you? Who asked you? You know, everything relates back to broadcast news. One of the greatest movies ever made, where William Hurt is sitting in the anchor chair for breaking news, and it's his first big assignment at the network, and it's about some attack in Libya by air. And he says at the end of it, in other words, I think we're all going to be okay. And they cut to the network head honcho in the control room saying, who the hell cares what you think? That's how it used to be in network news. That's how it used to be in cable news, too. I mean, honestly, like, I. I had to be super careful, you know, like, I had to be super careful. You look back, I would debate positions I would take Devil's Advocate and so on, but I was very loath to share my own opinion. That was something I had to grow into on this show, which is a different kind of show. It's an opinion show, which has journalism as well, of course, but it's not purely hard news. And that, that is her opinion. She's sitting there on morning television for CBS News. You. Who cares what you think? You can't get inside of Jimmy Kimmel's head. And you know what? If we're going to play that game, I disagree with you strongly. I bet Jimmy Kimmel would love to see Trump assassinated. I don't agree with you at all. I actually think he would love it. I think he loathes him with the. With the a passion as bright as 10,000 suns. I do not give him the benefit of the doubt on that at all. And neither do a lot of your viewers. So keep your mouth shut about your biased opinions because he's your friend and you are the biggest celebrity effort of all. I mean, truly, like in college, they called all the girls who were, like, giving it up for the lacrosse players at every turn the jock sniffers. Um, it's the same for people like Gail and some of these other morning show hosts who are celebrity sniffers. All they like. They just want to land a celebrity now. It's not in their bed, it's on their set. And they'll do whatever they need to in order to run, cover for them, sweet talk them, stay in good with them so that they'll come on. That's what she's doing there. She's looking for the Jimmy Kimmel text. Like, thanks so much for defending me. It's disgusting. The cabal that they're all part of. We know this guy hates Trump. He has a long standing pattern of total contempt for not only the President, but everyone in the MAGA movement. Everyone. It wasn't always thus. This was going around on X this morning and we pulled it because I thought you'd find it interesting. This is from 1981. The Oscars had just been delayed 24 hours after the assassination attempt on President Reagan at the very same Hilton hotel where the events unfolded this past Saturday. John Hinckley Jr. Shot the president. Just walked up and shot him. We later found out he was trying to impress Jody Foster. He did put a bullet in James Brady's head. It changed the debate around guns and presidential safety. And they call this place the Hinkley Hilton. Now, as a result. Okay. But 24 hours after that happened, the Oscars took place. And here is how the legendary Johnny Carson, who created. Well, was one of the early pioneers of the late night format, handled the situation then.
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Johnny Carson
I'm sure that all of you here and most of you watching tonight understand why we delayed this program for 24 hours because of the incredible events of yesterday. That old adage, the show must go on seemed relatively unimportant. The Academy, ABC Television and all of us connected with the show felt because of the uncertain outcome, as of this time yesterday, it would have been inappropriate to stage a celebration. But the news today is very Good. As you know, the President is in excellent condition. At last reports, he's been conducting business. And he is and he happens to be in very good spirits. After all, you must remember, this is a man who yesterday, while he was in the hospital, unable to speak, wrote on a sheet of paper, all things considered, I'd rather be in Philadelphia. So tonight the show does go on.
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Megyn Kelly
And then he played a video of President Ronald Reagan. I will say Jimmy Kimmel included the line, I'm sorry that you to the first lady and the President and everyone in that room on Saturday went through that. Sorry you went through that. Okay, what was that again? He someone came to kill him and make her into a widow. The thing you said was going to make her glow. We've just fallen so far since then. And there is a real question too about ABC and its own standards for its on air talent. Disney, the mouse and abc. And that's where we're going to kick it off with our pal Stu Berghear. He is the host of Predictable with Stu. Find out more@prredictableshow.com and the relaunched stuff. And Dave, do America on BlazeTV. When the dollar's convertibility into gold ended in 1971, gold was fixed at $35 an ounce. 35. Fast forward to today and the US dollar has lost more than 85% of its purchasing power. Gold, on the other hand, has increased in value by over 12,000%. And that's why major firms like Vanguard and BlackRock hold significant positions in gold. And it's also why you may want to consider diversifying your savings with physical gold from Birch Gold Group. But it starts with education. Birch Gold just announced that their Learn and Earn Precious Metals event is on. This free online event rewards you for learning the basics of investing in precious metals. Sign up to get free silver on your next purchase. Get even larger incentives as you go. The more you learn, the more you can earn. But you do have to act now as this special event only runs through April 30th. Time is a wastin'. Text my initials M.K. to the number 989898 to join Birchgold's Learn and Earn Precious Metals event by April 30th. That's M.K. to 989898 today. Stu, welcome back.
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Stu Berghear
Thank you so much. Megan. Great to see you.
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Megyn Kelly
Great to have you. Okay, so I want to kick it off with ABC's standards. Okay, so this isn't even ABC News. This is abc. Right? Because he's part of the entertainment division. And you know who else was and I mentioned this yesterday, but I'm show you the receipts. Chris Harrison, who hosted the Bachelor and the bachelorette for literally 20 years. I think it was 19 and a half, 20 years he was there working for them, hosting that very successful show. It was a huge franchise for them. The nicest guy, I mean, not controversial at all. Like such a sweet guy, universally liked. And what happened was there was a contestant on the Bachelorette who, it turned out this happened in 2021. It turned out, had years earlier gone to a Deep south, like antebellum party where they were, they weren't celebrating slavery, but they were celebrating the Deep South. They were dressing like characters in the Deep south with the big gowns, you know, Gone with the Wind, st. And that emerged. She was a contestant on the, on the Bachelorette and they said, oh, that's racially insensitive. Everybody knows the Deep south liked slavery. So you must like slavery if you went to a party where you wore the big fluffy dress. Okay? It was just absurd stuff. And Chris Harrison did something very brave. He felt bad for this gal and he gave an interview, an on camera interview, trying to like help her out. Her name was Rachel Lindsay when he sat on another very light hearted TV program called Extra. And here he. The comments were to Rachel Lindsay. And here's what he said. Sat 12.
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Chris Harrison
I saw a picture of her at a sorority party five years ago and that's it. Like, boom. Like, okay, well, this, this girl is in this book now and she's now in this group. And I'm like, really? Okay, well, there goes.
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Megyn Kelly
The picture was from 2018 at an old south antebellum party. So I think, you know, when you, when you, it's when you hold that under the limbs. It's not a good look.
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Chris Harrison
No, it's not a good. Well, Rachel, is it a good look in 2018 or is it not a good look in 2021?
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Megyn Kelly
Because there's a big difference because she's celebrating the old South. She's. If I went to that party, what would I represent at that party?
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Chris Harrison
I don't, I don't disagree with you. You're 100% right in 2021. That was not the case in 2018. Again, I'm not defending Rachel. I just know that I don't know 50 million people did that in 2018 between, you know, it's like there were. That was a type of party that a lot of people went to. And again, I'm not defending it. I didn't go to it. We are not looking under the same lens, these girls got dressed up and went to a party and had a great time. They were 18 years old. Now, does that make it okay? I don't know, Rachel. You tell me. But where is this lens we're holding up? And was that lens available and were we all looking through it in 2018? I don't know. I don't have these answers.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I think that's the problem, is we weren't. You're right. We weren't looking through those lens, and we should have been. Okay, so he was making a perfectly valid point. The anchor there was Rachel Lindsay. That the woman they were talking about. His name. Rachel Kirkconnell. And she was a contestant on the Bachelor. She was a contestant on the Bachelor. And she wound up like. I don't know. Then. Then she went on to become the Bachelorette. Is that what happened? I'm trying to get my Bachelor history right. My team's updating me. Whatever. She wound up, she wound up with the Bachelor. I guess she won. This girl who went to the antebellum party, she's white, he's black, but she's a racist. Okay, great. And Chris Harrison, I guess, is a racist because he said, you know, we hadn't yet totally lost our minds in 2018. So what standards are we holding this girl to after that, Stu? He was forced to self flagellate in the most humiliating display by ABC Entertainment. Okay, so this. I'd like to forget this. We aired this when we first launched this show. It was horrifying. And here we are six years later, and it's still relevant because this network. Oh, their standards have changed very much, Stu. Very much. Here's what they made him do.
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Jimmy Kimmel
A lot of people. And I'm wondering, why would you defend Rachel Kirkenell?
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Chris Harrison
I am an imperfect man. I made a mistake, and I own that. I believe that mistake doesn't reflect who I am or what I stand for. I am committed to the progress, not just for myself, also for the franchise.
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Jimmy Kimmel
You said, quote, is it not a good look in 2018 or is it not a good look in 2021? Because they're the big difference. So what is the.
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Chris Harrison
To you?
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Jimmy Kimmel
What is the difference? Or is there one?
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Chris Harrison
There is not. Antebellum parties are not okay. Past, present, future. Knowing what that represents is unacceptable. I am saddened and shocked at how insensitive I was in that interview with Rachel Lindsay. And I didn't speak from my heart. And that is to say I stand against all forms of racism, and I am deeply Sorry. I'm sorry to Rachel Lindsay, and I'm sorry to the black community.
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Jimmy Kimmel
Harrison says he's been working closely with a, quote, race educator and strategist, along with faith leaders and scholars like Dr. Michael Eric Dyson.
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Chris Harrison
Dr. Dyson often talks to me about counsel, not cancel, and that is full accountability.
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Jimmy Kimmel
His apology is his apology, but it felt like I got nothing more than a surface response on any of this. And obviously, he's the man who wants to clearly stay on the show, but only time will tell if there is any meaning behind his word.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God. That's. That's the same network that is now apparently fine with. She's got the glow of an expectant widow. That's fine. That's no problem. But are we Judging her by 2021 standards or by 2028? Struggle sessions, counseling on air, lengthy apologies, didn't get it done. Chris Harrison was fired from his job of two decades. His career has never recovered because those assholes so besmirched him as some sort of a racist. And. But you get a total pass if you are a comedian making jokes, and thus in quotes at the President's expense or that of the First Lady. That's. That's a yuckety, yuck, hit the knee, holler out loud kind of moment for abc, Stu. And so while neither you nor I are fans of cancel culture, I believe we must make them play by their own rules. Those rules don't get bent when the party who's been targeted and offended is a Republican victim, as opposed to one of the Democrats favorite people or causes.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah, I mean, it's just watching that clip brings me back to a completely different era. If you want a commercial as to how Donald Trump became president again in the first place, you can watch that clip and realize people were just, what the heck is this? This poor guy. I mean, I feel bad for him. You kind of hope that if you were in that position, you'd have, you know, a different approach. I hope. I would just say to my bosses, screw you. I'm not saying that stuff. It's easy to say, you know, when you're.
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Megyn Kelly
But wait, let me. Let me just jump in and say, because I was in this position, I mean, I was in this position shortly before Chris was. And when they are telling you, like, your entire contract, which is probably pretty hefty, is going away, and you're thinking, am I going to be able to pay my bills? Am I going to have to move and my kids are going to have to come out of these Schools. Am I going, Can I avoid this national humiliation just by saying, okay, I'm sorry? I like, I'm sorry, fine. You know, some people may actually have been offended, it seems at the time. This is before I'm sorrys were canceled. Right. Like, this is back in the era where apologies were still a thing. It seems like a low price to pay to save your whole career, to save your contract, to save the possibility of not having everybody call you a racist, which is not a fun thing to be called. Right. It's like you have to look at it through the 2021 mindset as opposed to like present day, when we know the apology gets you nothing. Chris Harrison learned the hard way, it gets you nothing. You still get fired. I learned the hard way, you. It gets you nothing. You still get booted. So it's like he didn't know at that point. I think 2026, Chris Harrison would not apologize.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah, it's easy to say. It really is. I mean, it's the same reason why people settle lawsuits all the time, that they don't think that they're wrong on. Right. I mean, you have to make calculations in your life and for business. It's an understandable part of who we are. And I think we've improved that a considerable amount because we saw what the outcome of some of those apologies were. And the worst part about that is he, look, he was the good guy in that situation. It was easy to pile on some poor 18 year old girl who, you know, quote, unquote, made a mistake and went to a party that a million other people went to. At that time. He was doing the hard thing. He was standing up for someone who was being beaten down by the Internet and the media. And he actually was the good guy in that situation, full stop. And then you see these people who, you know, like Strahan, who come on and pile on top of him afterward. It's even more despicable because they all know know why he's there. They all know that there. They all know there's nothing wrong with what he did. We've seen examples of this.
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Megyn Kelly
Honestly, Stu, that happened to me too.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Al Roker got on the air at NBC and was like, she needs to do a better apology. She's basically, she has to racialize her apology and apologize specifically to black people. Here's your apology, Al. Go yourself, fat man off. That's what I. I mean, for so many years I've wanted to say that. So I did. But anyway, I'm glad it came out in the same time we were in, people were made to flagellate self. Flagellate. Take the flagellation from everybody else and now, but now go for it. As long as you're offending Melania Trump and of course Donald Trump, you're golden. This is the same company Roseanne ruined from the, from the number one show for a joke. Chris Harrison. Not even a joke. A mild milquetoast defense of somebody who was really hurting and was not a bad person and ruined two decades of a career. That's the loyalty they showed their two decade employee. We could keep going. Gina Corana, who is dying. That's now, that's Disney. Same company, though. She was starring in the Mandolin and she posted, I'll put it up on the board. She posted like a picture of the Holocaust of Jews being rounded up and like tortured by people in their neighborhood. And she was making the point that some civilians helped round up Jews. It wasn't all the Nazis, like they terrorized communities so much that some, some civilians helped round up Jewish people when they were being shipped off to camps. And she was making the point that the way people talk about conservatives trying to turn their neighbors against them has shades of that. And she wasn't, in no way was she saying conservatives are like not Nazi victims, you know, Holocaust victims. She was not suggesting that. She was basically saying like, you don't turn neighbor on neighbor. That's fraught and it's got a bad history. Fired, lost her whole movie career at Disney. The same company we're talking about. Same company. So why don't these standards apply to Jimmy Kimmel?
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Stu Berghear
Yeah, I mean, they took the one good thing Disney did with Star wars and got rid of her over that. And it was despicable. And when it comes to Jimmy Kimmel, I am like you. Megan, I'm glad you said this earlier. It's like I have a really high standard for this. Like, I don't. I do a show, as you mentioned, with Dave Landau, who is a comedian who would admit he says some of the worst things imaginable during his standup comedy. There is, there should be a wide breadth, a really wide berth for comedians to say kind of whatever they want. I completely agree with that. You know, what he is doing here is trying to take advantage of his political liens to avoid the same consequences that are hitting other people. And you know, he was never there stepping out for any of those people that I'm aware of. I don't remember him ever making a pro Gina Carano point. I don't remember him ever making a point on Harrison, any of these people, or for you. Certainly he wouldn't do that because it all comes down to politics for him.
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Megyn Kelly
Exactly right. No, I said it. I. I said this recently. I was like. So I got in trouble at NBC because I said blackface Halloween costumes used to be considered okay. They weren't like a big cancellation. Cause like, you could get away with it in the 70s when I said, when I was growing up wasn't a big thing. I never wore blackface. You will never see a photo of me wearing a blackface Halloween costume. It has never happened. I was just pointing out people used to do it and it wasn't a thing. Did Jimmy Kimmel, when I was twisting on the vine. Cause I was twisting for a few days there before my show got canceled, did he come out and say, you know what? She's right. Like, I did it. I. Jimmy Kimmel, I did it. I put on blackface repeatedly on my old show. I put on a fat suit and I went as black Oprah. I was a black, fat Oprah. I went as Karl Malone, where I spoke in ebonics. I mean, it was like the most racist portrayal. I did it. She's right. Did he say she's right? I'm not excusing my wearing of it, but Megyn Kelly is right. No, he didn't. He kept his mouth shut because his post in front of those clique lights is too important to him. Stu. And ABC is going to play along like he's not sacrificeable. Right. Like, we, we stand up for humor and the First Amendment and commentary. That's. Those are our values. This same organization that did all those things. I mean, I could keep going. There's a long list of people they've hurt, but they're going to get away with it here because they like what he said. I bet you they laughed. They have no problem suggesting Melania wants Trump dead.
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Stu Berghear
It's really despicable. And when you look back at, first of all, what happened with you, which was a complete disgrace, said that at the time. And it was a horrible, horrible. I will say in retrospect, they probably wish they didn't do it because I think they would have much rather had you in a different situation, not speaking your mind in that same way every single day that you're doing now, I think they regret that all the way to the moon. So first of all, there's that. Secondly, with Kimmel, you're right. I mean, the Karl Malone thing is a great example of really Just racist humor. He was in blackface. And the only criticism, the only point he was making in that particular series of sketches was that Karl Malone talked funny. That was the bit. That was the bit that he talked in a way that Jimmy Kimmel found hilarious. And so he put on blackface and impersonated him as a white person doing a black person. Again, standards change over time. You know, I find it. I don't like canceling people for anything, but certainly you can't be the person who is coming out here with the standards today that he's trying to advocate for and looking for these protections now after he. He has never been there for anyone who's been dealing with this over this time. He's complete hypocrite on these points. And, you know, I really do have a real concern over where we're going with rhetoric. And there's bigger issues than that. Even just what you say of as a political criticism, people saying that Trump is Hitler and all these things, I think that can lead to terrible things. But as a guy who's been doing commentary for multiple decades, those types of things worry me. I mean, people criticized us. I was on Glenn Beck program back in the day, and people criticized us constantly and blamed us for things that crazy people did. You can't do that. And it's an unfair standard in this country. We have a free speech for a reason. What is building on top of that, however, particularly on the left, is the lionization of the people who actually commit the violence. That is a different scenario than saying, even Trump is a fascist, which I am critical of. And I think you should be more responsible. Responsible. Then as a journalist, what Jimmy Kimmel said the other day, you should think as a person who's on national television, after you've watched this man get shot literally on stage, you think your standards would be a little bit more appropriate. However, when you're talking about what they're doing with the guy, and I don't even wanna say his name, who killed the healthcare executive. That type of activity. We've seen study after study after study that lionizing people who do things like that does bring copycats, does bring more of this crime. This is what's happened in the Columbine post. Columbine, when people like that become these sort of hero heroes. And then we watch journalists, we watch people who are getting interviews. Hassan Piker, you know, Taylor Lorenz praising this guy and acting like he's a hero. Thank God somebody did this. Thank God someone was standing up. That is the type of stuff that actually does, scientifically studied, does produce copycats and more of this type of violence. And I'm really concerned about how the left is doing that over and over and over again with these types of people.
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Megyn Kelly
I really think, like, stay away from Trump assassination jokes because it's not a joke. It's happened now almost four times. So it's not funny. Trust me, Jimmy, to those of us who are on the right or in the center, we don't find it funny at all. We actually find it very disturbing. It actually brings up something that was extremely jarring for at least half the nation. Really extremely jarring and upsetting. So, like, we don't want to joke about it the same way we don't want to joke about Charlie's assassination, you fucking cretin. Which he also thought was funny and fair game. He's disgusting. He's a pig. He should have been fired for that a long time ago. They kept him on the air and once again he doubles down on assassination jokes and now doesn't have the balls, Stu, to admit that's what it is. Trying to. Same as Norah O' Donnell in that clip with Trump on 60 Minutes. Like, oh, you, oh, did you think that was about you? The killer. The would be killers reference to a pedophile, rapist, whatever the third word was. Did you think that was you? Same here with Jimmy Kimmel going, oh, oh, did you think that was an assassination joke? No, that was just because he's so much older than she is. Oh, sure, sure, Jan. Yeah, yeah, sure.
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Stu Berghear
The third word, by the way, was traitor. Megan. And you'd think after watching a manifesto like this and hearing this come out in the days after yet another assassination attempt on the president, it might be a good day for you to admit that he's not a pedophile and he's not a rapist and he's not a traitor. How about that? How about starting there? Just, just, just knocking those claims down for a second and saying, by the way, there's no evidence of this whatsoever. There's been some alle allegations. Those allegations were. Have never been proven. And maybe like addressing those things and taking them off the table a little bit from a trusted source would be helpful in a moment like this to, as they always criticize us, they want us to lower the temperature. They want Donald Trump to do that all the time. And at times there's some legitimate arguments to that, I think with him. But when it comes to their own reputation, their own responsibility in a moment like this, they never find it they can never locate their own will to be able to lower the temperature whatsoever. It's only criticizing us for hiring it.
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Megyn Kelly
I totally agree with that. And the other thing is, I don't excuse any of the. I mean, Trump celebrated the death of Robert Mueller. That was bad. Rob Reiner celebrated the death of Rob Reiner. We and virtually every conservative called him out on that. You know, that's bad shit. He shouldn't be doing it. But the truth is the political assassinations are happening of right wing figures. That's what we're seeing. So the left does have to think about the way it's talking about right wing figures, whether it's Charlie, Congressional Republicans at the time of Steve Scalise's near assassination, and President Trump more than anyone. Cnn, the K File. Andrew Kaczynski, he runs that. He's a great reporter. He unearthed a bunch of social media of this attempted killer from the correspondence dinner. And it shows. Of course, he regularly referred to Trump as Hitler. All this, the leftist stuff that we heard prior to the Butler assassination attempt, you hear in this guy's social media. The pedophile thing, the rapist thing, like that is your standard fare these days on msnbc, some CNN shows, and certainly in the left wing pot of sphere. And here's just an example of some Democrats sounding, I mean, you want to talk about rhetoric, here's some Democrats in SOT 15.
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Stu Berghear
Donald Trump and the MAGA.
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Chris Harrison
Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the
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Stu Berghear
very foundations of our republic.
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Megyn Kelly
And he must be stopped. He cannot be present.
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Jimmy Kimmel
They're still going to have to go
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Stu Berghear
out and put a bullet in Donald Trump.
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Johnny Carson
The movement is a threat.
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Stu Berghear
The extremists that we're dealing with every single day, we've got to kill and confront that movement.
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Megyn Kelly
Clearly, you know, this is a literally call to arms.
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Jimmy Kimmel
Literally what conservative white folks do when they don't get their way, they turn violent.
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Megyn Kelly
You know who I got to vote for to keep Hitler out? The White House. Yeah, Hitler, White House, we keeping them out. Keeping Project 2025 out. That's all I care about. Up and down the ballot from the rooter to the Tudor. And if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere with this kind of inspiration, I will go and take Trump out tonight. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price.
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Stu Berghear
It is just unquestionable at this point that that man cannot see public office and he has to be, he has to be eliminated.
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Megyn Kelly
Crazy. That's just one little sop montage, Stu. I mean, we could, we could be here all day. I just think like if their side were being assassinated like this, they'd be marching in the streets to muzzle us all. The right has been handling itself very well in the wake of these calls to violence that really, you know, in the wake of, of which we've seen four assassination attempts of our president. Stand by. There's so much more to get to. And we'll do it after this quick break. Stu Bergier is our guest today. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack. And that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of you, the everyday American consumer. Credit cards can keep your payments secure. They can provide rewards that families help use to make everyday purchases much more affordable. And the Electronic Payments Coalition says that this Durbin Marshall thing, that it mandates letting corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing and routing transactions over cheaper, untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections for you. Find out more about it@guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card.
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back with me now, Stu Berghear. He is the host of Predictable with Stu. Find out more@prredictableshow.com and the relaunched Stu and Dave Do America on Blaze tv. So speaking of Hassan Piker, who is this left wing podcaster who is really incendiary in his rhetoric like beyond he he gave an interview to The New York Times, I think it was. Who was it too? Yeah, to the New York Times. Yeah. On April 22nd. And they discussed the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, which you just referenced a moment ago. And here is the exchange that the two of them had. I think this begins with the New York Times reporter asking a question. The second voice is Piker. 40% of Gen Zers felt that that
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murder was morally justified.
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Stu Berghear
But it's scary to be in a
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Megyn Kelly
society where people feel that murder is morally justified. And I'm curious how we, how we thread that line.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah. Engels wrote about the concept of social murder, and Brian Thompson, as the United Healthcare CEO, was engaging in a tremendous amount of social murder. The systematized forms of violence, the, the structural violence of poverty, the, the for profit, paywalled system of health care in this country because of the pervasive pain that the private health care system had created for the average American. I saw so many people immediately understand why this death had taken place.
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Megyn Kelly
That is lunacy, Stu. That is like truly dangerous lunacy. The way he talked about social murder. That's what health insurance companies do, as if they have a moral obligation to say yes to every procedure, every medication, every surgery that a person wants done, or they're murderers. That's not how insurance works. It's a business. I, I'm, I don't love insurance companies. Nobody does. But it's, it's an imperfect business, but it's a business. It is not actually just a support network for people who are ill. He misunderstands the fundamental nature and then accuses them of being murderers, which truly is dangerous rhetoric. And did in fact, that kind of thinking get Brian Thompson killed?
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Stu Berghear
Yes. That is 100% what, what happened there. And if you happen to be, you know, listening on Sirius or listening on podcasts, you don't get to see the wonderful visual of the New York Times person nodding along as he's explaining the concept of how he was guilty of social murder, which, by the way, is not a thing. Ankles is not a good source for truth, just in case anyone was wondering about that. But like, yeah, I mean, you know, it's also just completely insane. But, you know, I also have my issues. I think everyone's had a run in with a healthcare company where they're annoyed at the way something has been handled. However, when you look at, when you step back and look at the entire picture, it's impossible to even make an argument that they're a negative for society. They're paying for Millions of surgeries all the time. Yes, they do occasionally make bad calls. Yes, they do occasionally, you know, have improper motivations for these things to happen. There are cases where, you know, they've been, you know, they've been charged with criminal activity for some of this. That being said, overwhelmingly, most of the stuff does get covered. Most of the stuff is paid for. Most of the stuff is assisting people actually get better, to actually get better. I reject the idea that there's some wonderful grandiose other healthcare system out there that is better than the one that we have, as imperfect as it is. And so why you see Go move to Canada. Yeah, exactly. In fact, what you see constantly are people coming on trips here to get the surgery done by people who know what they're doing. You would go, go, go wait in the lines. You know, I talk to people who I know in Canada who are like, look, our healthcare system is, isn't bad. When you can get into the office, when you can get an appointment, when you're not waiting six or eight months before the surgery that you need, there are problems.
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Megyn Kelly
Two years for a breast cancer screening for a woman who finds a lump in her breast just to figure out whether it in fact is a tumor. You can wait years. Yeah, okay, go see how you like that. But it's free. Every procedure is covered. See how you like that. Hasan.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah. One of the last shows I did on the Glenn Beck radio program before I left was we talked about a woman in that exact same situation who was going through a serious medical issue. She was trying to get treatment in Canada. She was rejected over and over and over again by the system. Again, this wonderful socialist system kept rejecting her. And she then wound up signing up up for maid, which is their suicide program, their euthanasia program. She signed up for it and was, by the way, thankfully, on a waiting list for that too. And luckily she was caught before she got there. We were made aware of that story. We brought on some of the best doctors in America to help her with her situation. That's the sort of stuff that has to happen in these left wing communist dreams of a healthcare system. So I reject the concept. But even if we were terrible, even if we did have a horrible healthcare system, the answer can never be to justify the murder of a CEO. A CEO, by the way, who is well known within the company to try to be trying to fix the problems that Hasan Piker supposedly has with United Healthcare. All of this is idiocy and it can never justify violence.
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Megyn Kelly
I see his comment as in the Same bucket as the Jimmy Kimmel joke. Because clearly he is joking about assassination. I don't accept for one second he's talking about May, December, ages on Trump and Melania. No, I don't believe that. He's suggesting she'd love to see him bumped off. And I. And what it effectively does is help desensitize us to the possibility that that happens. It's like we've laughed about it. Like, isn't it a little funny? Isn't he kind of annoying? Wouldn't it be better if he weren't here? Like, that's what he's doing. He's chipping away at a foundational sense of morality we all used to have about. No, it's. It's not okay. You don't joke about murdering someone's husband, someone's dad, someone's granddad, someone's president. That's. It's actually not funny at all. And you don't talk about social murder by an insurance agent that would justify his execution in the street as his teenage sons are suffering. And you don't come out explicitly as Taylor Lorenz, who's written for the New York Times and the Washington Post, did and openly celebrate the assassination. Here she is, CNN, April of 2025.
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Taylor Lorenz
Hilarious to see these millionaire media pundits on TV clutching their pearls about someone stanning a murderer when this is the United States of America, as if we don't lionize criminals, as if we don't have, you know, we don't stan murderers of all sorts, and we give them Netflix shows. There's a huge disconnect between the narratives and angles that sort of mainstream media pushes and what the American public feels. And you see that in moments like
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Megyn Kelly
this, the women who got her outside
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Stu Berghear
court and New York.
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Taylor Lorenz
So you're gonna see women, especially, that feel like, oh, my God, right? Like, here's this man who. Who's revolutionary, who's famous, who's handsome, who's young, who's smart. He's a person that seems this. Like this morally good man, which is hard to find.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God.
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Stu Berghear
I just realized women will literally date
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Megyn Kelly
an assassin before they swipe right on me.
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Jennifer Siebel Newsom
That's.
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Megyn Kelly
That's where we are. Morally good man. I mean, that's amazing. I've interviewed lots of murderers still lots of them. I. I don't. I. You could do it as a probe into the mind of a killer what makes somebody murder. That's all very interesting to me. From a journalistic perspective. I wouldn't then call them a memorially Good man. And justify the murders. That's really what she did. I'm going to give you one more. This was her earlier, closer in time to the actual offense. This is December 2024, on with our pal Piers Morgan.
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Taylor Lorenz
I do believe in the sanctity of life. And I think that's why I felt, along with so many other Americans, joy, unfortunately, you know, because it feels like serious.
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Stu Berghear
I mean, joy in a man's execution.
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Taylor Lorenz
Maybe not joy, but certainly not. No, certainly not empathy.
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Stu Berghear
He's a father, billions, and he's been
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Megyn Kelly
gunned down in the middle of Manhattan. Why does that make you joyful Americans that he murdered?
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Taylor Lorenz
So are tens. So are the tens of thousands of Americans, innocent Americans who died because greedy health insurance executives like this one push a policies of denying care to the most vulnerable people.
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Stu Berghear
Should they all be killed then?
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Megyn Kelly
Should they all be killed, these health care executives? Would that make you even more joyful?
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Taylor Lorenz
No.
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Megyn Kelly
Mm.
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Stu Berghear
Crazy.
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Megyn Kelly
But she's not an outlier still.
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Stu Berghear
No, no. I mean, it's very, very common. I mean, you know, it's terrifying to think about that because, you know, you played earlier on the show, Megan, a clip of Johnny Carson after the Ronald Reagan assassination attempt. And you know, you saw the crowd universally, you know, clap and applaud for Ronald Reagan surviving the exact way you'd want a crowd to respond, respond to someone almost being murdered. And what's scariest to me about all of this is we all know in that crowd of Hollywood celebrities, there were plenty of people who despised Ronald Reagan and probably a decent amount of them that were kind of happy that something like this happened. They probably were secretly cheering this on. But that's the word that I think is really important here. Secretly. They were. They would be embarrassed by it. They wouldn't want to tell anyone that they were happy that Ronald Reagan had been shot. They wouldn't want to celebrate it openly. They would never do that. What has changed?
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Megyn Kelly
There was a standard of decency.
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Stu Berghear
There was a standard of decency. And other people would hold you to account if you came out and said, gosh, I'm really excited that that happened to Ronald Reagan. Your liberal friends would call you insane and never want to be around you again. What's going on now? And this happens with Trump.
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Johnny Carson
Trump.
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Stu Berghear
And it happens certainly in this healthcare situation is there is at the very least a quiet in group celebration of what might happen to Donald Trump. And honestly, we're seeing constantly on social media and with people like Taylor Lorenz, who is just bat crap crazy people who will publicly Tell you, they had joy to watch a father get murdered in the streets, not even because of a specific critique of him, but because of people of executives like him. It was her quote, not even that he did anything wrong.
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Megyn Kelly
And they're doing it right now. About the attempt on Trump's life from Saturday night, we pulled just a couple. The irony here. Excuse me. This woman, Ally King, I'm about to show you, works for United Healthcare. She's commenting on the Trump assassination attempt from Saturday. But of all people, you would think somebody who works for United Healthcare, a group that saw its own president and CEO get murdered in the street, she'd have a sensitivity to how awful that is, irrespective of somebody's politics or job responsibilities. Nope. Listen to her. 31. We're cooked as a country. When my first reaction to hearing the news about Trump's attempt was it was probably fake, like immediately I was like, oh, that wasn't real. Probably fake. And the second was, aw, they missed. So happy. They missed. Oh, yeah, that's, that's, that's sad. That's when you know we're cooked. Okay. Thankfully, UnitedHealthcare fired her ass. Good for them. You cannot allow that, that, you just can't allow that sort of cavalier nature to human life, especially at a health care company, an insurance company which deals in health care. Here's another one. This is a woman on TikTok SOT32. You mean to tell me that a pedophile was almost eliminated from this earth and I'm supposed to feel anything other than disappointed? Right? It's her blue hair, her long blue wig. I mean, they're all deranged like this still. It's like they're straight outta central casting. And it's not just them. You know, we saw after Charlie was assassinated, person after person after person. We have some of it. They're still out there. You, I guarantee you these same people are cheering for the shooter, the would be shooter who's now in custody for attempting on President Trump on Saturday. Here's thought 15B. Charlie Kirk just got shot in the neck. Hey, Charlie Kirk got shot and he's dead. Finally, Finally. Thank you. Can we keep this up? Charlie Kirk was a Nazi. He was a Nazi. And you know what kind of Nazi is the best Nazi? A dead one. Thank God that shit stain of a person is no longer in this world. Bad people should not be in this world.
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Stu Berghear
Shot right in the voice box. I might be 1% less atheist today.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't care that he was a person. He Wasn't to me. He was a n me. I think he's better off gone. So fucking be it. I think the only thing that went wrong that day was that Trump wasn't standing behind him. Getting a second hand bullet is poetic. My thoughts go out to that pew Pew. Having to look this in the face. He was such a good person. Why did he get shot? What do you think we're gonna do? Honestly, y', all, he had it coming. Charlie Kirk was a big advocate for the second amendment. It worked out well for him. Well, that actually makes me feel sick to my stomach. Yeah, it's, it's a genuinely revolting. These people are out there, they're having those thoughts and to your point, not keeping them secret, posting them all over the Internet, whether it was Charlie or Trump. And then what we get from the left after the latest assassination attempt is to both sides, it. Oh, it's both sides. You know, they, they, they point to things like Paul Pelosi, you know Paul Pelosi. Paul Pelosi was attacked by a lunatic homeless dude who had BLM and pride flags all over the limited materials he had in his homeless encampment. Like, they point to just these random situations where maybe a leftist got attacked, but nine times out of ten by another leftist right without acknowledging any of the rhetoric that they've been spewing that we hear time and time again from their killers or on their killer's ammo.
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Stu Berghear
It's so true. The both sides stuff is just irritating. I mean, everyone can quote the, the, the incidents that you of because they're just constantly brought up. There'll be like 27 new situations where some left wing person commits violence. And they're like, well, remember the guy who did an abortion clinic bombing in 1994? It's like, yeah. The fact that you need to go back to these things over and over again, it kind of a sign. But once again, I remember back, I think his name was Eric Rudolph back in the day. One of the abortion clinic bombers back in the 90s. Yeah. And there were very limited rumors and stories about certain people, I guess you'd call them on the right, that had bumper stickers because his last name was Rudolph and they were Run, Rudolph, run. Bumper stickers. Back in the day, it was kind of a big story because people were like, oh my gosh, there's a few people who actually would justify this violence. And every mainstream conservative in the universe came out and said, we don't like, that's horrible, horrible. A horrible, horrible thing. And what you're seeing on the left with this lionization of the people doing this is a totally different culture than what you see on the right. Are there examples of people on the right committing violence? Of course there are. And those are really bad things and we denounce them every single time they occur. I have no problem doing that. It's not a borderline issue to me. I don't care how much I don't like taxes. I don't care how much I don't very, very, very pro life life. I don't have any interest and had any patience whatsoever for anyone who would even consider doing a thing like that. You are the bad guy if that's who you're, what you're thinking about doing. You are evil. You are far more evil than anybody else that I can think of because you're taking a cause that I believe in that's good, protecting human life and turning it into this evil. So I have no patience for you whatsoever. When we talk about Islamic extremists, one of the criticisms from conservatives is typically to say, hey, you need to be standing up against the people in your community who are committing violent acts. If you happen to be a normal, you know, God fearing, law abiding Muslim, right, that needs to be part, it's part of your, of your responsibility to do that. It is central to you. If someone is taking on one of your viewpoints to say, hey, I don't agree with that at all. You see almost none of this with the left. What the left is doing is bringing Hasan Piker on, writing columns in the New York Times saying he's not the enemy, he's one of the good guys. And then bringing him on podcasts and joking around about him with him about social murder and how it pretty much justifies a dad being murdered on a sidewalk in the middle of Manhattan, that does. And again, I bring it back. There are tons of studies on this Megan that show through trying to study mass shootings and to solve a really difficult problem. The only thing that seems to make any difference is taking away the notoriety and the fame from that small in group. If they have that cult following, it is going to increase more people. And I guarantee you this guy, we don't know it yet, but I bet you anything that this guy had the same sort of glowing, the glow in his eyes that Taylor Lorenz had for the guy who murdered the healthcare executive. Oh, he went all the way across the country and he did all this and he planned it and he plotted it. It's a very Similar story. And I would not be surprised at all to find that there was a lot of thought that went into that that echoed this. To be seen as a hero. Once I get this done, I will be seen as taking out this evil problem and everyone will look at me with the same wonderful batting of the eyes that Taylor Lorenz had for this other murderer. It's despicable. And I really think we're creating new problems here.
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Megyn Kelly
You're so right. Still. Yeah, you go from zero to hero in one spare bullet. The data that has come out on like who supports political violence is also very eye opening. This is from Emerson, a poll that was done in December of 2024, and it found that 41% of 18 to 29 year olds found the killing of the UnitedHealthcare CEO at least somewhat justified. 41% of 18 to 29 year Olds found it at least somewhat justified. I mean, that is just shocking. And then talked about this a little yesterday, but there, there was data just released that shows Americans with graduate degrees are far more likely to support political violence than those who have a high school diploma or less, a bachelor's degree or just some college. The numbers are off the chart on who thinks violence is okay. Support for political violence based on education levels. It's, it's double. It's basically double if you have an advanced degree versus if you just have a high school diploma or less. The more time you spend in the education system, the more likely you are to believe political violence is okay. And this feeder. You know what? It's, it's. We talked yesterday about all these teachers who are out there justifying the assassination attempt and cheering it on. It's no accident. This guy was also a teacher. He was a tutor. The education system is full of rot. Rot. And they're rubbing it all over our children. You know, it's. They, they, they're playing with fire, Stu. I mean, they want to create good little revolutionaries for their side. And you really have to be so hands on as a parent now in order to prevent this from being done to your child. You know, it's just, it's just very, very dark. Okay, I. But I want to show you a couple more things here. The New York Times participates this morning in the Both Sides ism. Ism of this. Now I'm gonna show you two examples, actually, before I get to the Times, I'm gonna start with Essie Cupp of cnn. She does the explicit both sides by mentioning, for example, the Paul Pelosi thing. So listen to what she Said, this is sat 28. I think it's patently absurd to be told by Trump and Fox and MAGA wagging a righteous finger that we should not have conversations now about gun control, about Trump's own divisive rhetoric, about maga's own divisive rhetoric, about maga's dangerous lies and conspiracy theories that have led to actual violence. We're only supposed to apparently have a conversation about the supposedly violent left and Trump derangement syndrome. That's the only reason, apparently, there's been this uptick in political violence. And that's insane. That doesn't make any sense. No one should want political violence. But I also said that. That after Butler. But I also said that after Paul Pelosi. I said that after the insurrection and the murder of two Minnesota Democrats and the plot against Gretchen Whitmer and the attack on Josh Shapiro. It is not just Ben from the left. Okay, just a couple things, like the Paul Pelosi guy was a lunatic blm or, you know, LGBTQ Pride flag guy, who is an insane person. The guy who committed those two murders in Minneapolis, in Minnesota was an obvious nut case who had worked for Tim Walls, whose politics closer to the murders appear to have turned right. Then you've got Gretchen Whitmer. That was like an FBI sting that was perpetrated where you had, you know, more FBI agents than you did actual people who wanted to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer. She mentioned Josh Shapiro. That was a Free, Free Palestine leftist who firebombed the governor's mansion. Again, these are all examples of left wingers attacking left wingers. That. That is not about right wing rhetoric. Now, as for conspiracy theories leading to violence, I think she's talking about January 6th. I've got my own thoughts on that. I've never defended it. There are many people on the right who do have strong thoughts on that. And whether those January six folks were railroaded into, you know, a profile of them. That is unfair. But okay, fine. So that's your one thing. January 6th, that was bad. It wasn't great, actually. Contrary to the left lies, the only person who died that day was Ashley Babbitt, who was a Trump supporter who was shot by a cop who had a trigger finger. It wasn't that they were five deaths and the cops. That's not true. In the days after some cops took their lives, one guy died of natural causes. They want to claim he was murdered. It's like the left can't participate in this without lying. Right. Because they need to point to something Stu So they just, just. Kitchen sink it. Kitchen sink it. And that brings me to the New York Times. And I'll get you to weigh in. The Daily does this this morning. And they don't do the Paul Pelosi, Minnesota lawmakers thing. They do something else. They know that there are no political assassinations of their side in recent history that they can point to. Thank God. Thank God. Let's keep it that way. But they decide to widen the field of like, tit for tat. And listen to how they did it. Sat 26 we have seen, in addition to this, attacks on politicians in Minneapolis and Israeli Embassy Sappers in D.C. just to name a couple examples of why. I think it feels to a lot of people like we're living in this age of heightened political violence.
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Stu Berghear
One thing has definitely increased, and that is the number of threats just floating around the Internet. The number of threats that go after not just politicians, but, for example, judges and schools and hospitals. And to the question of is there more political violence in America, I think it depends on how you measure it.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm wondering whether you would count somebody who goes into a school having written a thousand words about a political grievance and commits a mass act of violence, would that be considered political violence? Even if the targets are not themselves, politicians, for example, or elected officials.
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Stu Berghear
And so in that scenario, the victim isn't, you know, a quote, unquote, political victim, but the act is carried out in the name of a political issue. I think most people would consider that to be political violence.
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Megyn Kelly
So now all the school shootings, it's like those are all counted as political violence. So we're really not in a heightened time. This is a way of diminishing what's been happening to President Trump and right wing figures. Like, it's not 1968. We've been dealing with this for quite some time. All the school shootings are political. Some of the school shootings actually are political, Stu. The ones that they bury, the ones whose motivation they bury as too incendiary to even look at for a year. Like the one in Nashville.
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Stu Berghear
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
Like just they are unwilling to confront the reality that their side engages in incendiary rhetoric that has a real effect on way too many people, some of whom are nuts, some of whom are just radicalized, like this latest guy who are actually murdering or making real world attempts to murder prominent right wingers. Yeah.
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Stu Berghear
And we've seen, unfortunately, too many examples of that. And I'm glad you brought up the, you know, the, the manifesto of the Nashvill shooter. How Many times have we seen this when it happens to be trans people who have a political agenda, an overt political agenda, going and murdering children at Christian schools. That's absolutely political violence. And I don't think there's any question about that. It's not what you'd think of as a standard assassination, but it is something that I think is absolutely in that bucket of political violence. And what I think winds up, up bringing people to one of the reasons why I think we see people, and I'm sure I've done this at some point in my life where people would bring this up and they'd say, well, what about the shooter? Some right wing piece of violence from the past. And I'm pretty okay just saying, yeah, that's terrible. My immediate response to that is, of course that's terrible. And I don't support it at all. It's, it's very easy for me and you and other sane, rational people to do such things. And sometimes that comes off as if there's some sort of, oh, both sides thing going on here. Look, the problem is quite clearly focused on one side right now. This is a massive problem where you have. The rhetoric on the left is certainly, at the very least not helpful to this because you're talking about often people discussing this, you know, Donald Trump as a, a person who is a unique threat to the country that is going to, is doing things that are absolutely horrible. Everything from being a pedophile or a rapist or a traitor or Hitler or fascist or someone that's just, you know, damaging and potentially like just picking up people off the street and murdering them without even telling their relatives and deporting them to foreign countries and all of these things. When you have that sort of buildup, there are some people who will take that and go to the next step. Again, we have to be really, really careful with that particular thing because it, you know, we should be able to express our political opinions even. We should even be able to go over the line at times and say things that are, you know, maybe a little bit excessive. Expressing your point, our founders also agreed with that. They were really clear that political speech should be protected. And that is, you know, it's an offshoot in a way of the First Amendment to say, hey, even your crazy, nutty political speech should be protected. And I really think that's important. I know you do too, Megan, but when you get to this point where you are looking, we should all be able to look internally and be able to judge ourselves and hold ourselves to some Standard. ABC should be doing that. They should be holding themselves to a standard. We should all be doing that ourselves. We should all be able to say, hey, wait a minute, you know, like, sure we can. We are constitutionally protected to say all sorts of terrible things about our leaders. But when you see bullets graze their ears all the time, maybe this is the time to look into inward a little bit and say, you know, maybe I shouldn't be putting, putting out that type of statement right now. Maybe I don't want to be tied to the people who are going to celebrate a statement. You know, I think it was Katie Porter, the candidate it for governor. Love her. In love her. Yeah, she's a joy. All of her employees loved her too. She's my fave. Yeah, she's quite entertaining. But like, what was it? A day or two after she went out, after President Trump was another attempt on his life that we all witnessed, she put out this long fundraising email for her stupid campaign in California that basically said F Trump all over it. Like, I'm gonna just come out and say it F. Trump. And we need to stop this man. And he's horrible. And all these like ridiculously over the top, you know, bad Twitter follow type of nonsensical statements to try to get people all fired up to donate to her stupid campaign that is almost definitely gonna end in a giant fat loss, despite the fact that her main competition was molesting people all over the place. This is the type of, type of nonsense that like, should, you should just catch yourself, right? Like, should I be fundraising off of attacking this guy and calling him all these names a day after he was almost murdered in front of her eyes? Like, probably not. Do you have any self control at all? And a giant part of this country has none has decided that because Trump does do this, and by the way, we're critical of him when he does does when he does this. They've decided, hey, what we need to do to be successes in politics right now is to out Trump Trump and to be 10 times worse than he's ever imagined being. And to me, like, there is such an opening for Democrats here. When Trump does do things like the Rob Reiner thing that everybody's critical of, there would be an easy way to show contrast with that by just being sane and calm and measured and sober. And instead they decided to go the completely opposite way. I guess in some ways it's a political gift, but man, it's terrible for the country.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. The Katie Porter fundraising email flyer came out Monday, which is you know, 36 hours after the assassination attempt. And she writes as follows. I'm Katie Porter. Some of you know me as the whiteboard lady who held CEOs and billionaires accountable in Congress. Literally nobody knows you as that. So today, I want to start with one simple, powerful message as well that we all agree on. Say it with me. Ready? One, two, three. Fuck Trump. Yeah, that's right. Fuck Trump. Together we're gonna kick Trump's in November and stop him in his tracks. I'll stand up to Trump and his cronies again and again, just as I did in Congress, with or without my whiteboard. But this election for governor is about far more than defeating Trump. We know what Trump is willing to do and how far he's willing to go. He's willing to kill people in the streets, to rip health care away, to ruthlessly attack our democracy. But the governor's race asks us, what are we willing to do? Oh, wow. What are you willing to do? I mean, that is just so inappropriate. On the heels of an assassination attack from her state.
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Stu Berghear
From the state, literally someone came from her state with those same ideals, went across the country and tried to kill the guy 48 hours before. Or she's sending out that fundraising email. There is literally no shame. There's no shame whatsoever.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, and, yeah, and Jimmy Kibbles from her state, too. I have to take a break, but before we do, I've got to get to Joy Reid. Let me just play what she's saying about this. It's 29. Oh, there's just odd things that keep happening around Trump. And we know that Viktor Orban allegedly. Allegedly. According to Washington Post reporting, there was a plot by the Russians to stage an assassination, fake assassination for Orban. So all of this throws them together. You're like, when something seems too perfect, people, they don't. They don't believe in it. And Donald Trump now again gets victimized by an alleged would be assassin in front of the perfect witnesses, the press. Okay, believe it or not, she's not wrong about the Russians and Viktor Orban. That actually is in the Washington Post and they're saying they report that. But the Russians offered this strategy as a, quote, game changer. In an internal report obtained and authenticated by a European intelligence service and reviewed by the Washington Post, the Russian operatives proposed a way to fundamentally alter the entire paradigm of the election campaign. As Viktor Orban was losing in Hungary, the staging of an assassination attempt on Viktor Orban. So that that did happen, that they discussed it as a possibility. The Russians offered it. But from there she goes to what these are odd things happening around Trump and suggesting that this was staged, that something seems to be too perfect, she says, around what happened to Trump and people don't believe in it. Donald Trump now again gets victimized by an alleged would be assassin in front of the perfect witnesses, the press. And by the way, Don Lemon was out there interviewing people doing man on the street interviews suggesting exactly the same. Trump's haters can't handle when anything happens to him that makes him look empathetic in any way.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah, you played, I think, the tick tock of the woman earlier who has this like real problem, which is A, she thinks it's fake, but B, also she hopes that it was successful, which you know, you can't. It's fake, then it couldn't have been successful.
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Megyn Kelly
Pick a lane.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah, pick a lane, please. But again, they never pick a lane.
- [88:49]
Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Stu Berghear
And remember, Joy Reid was the featured speaker at a rally outside the Capitol when Democrats were stepping out of the State of the Union. Remember this when they were coming out of the State of the Union and they were like, oh gosh, who are we going to pick as our featured speaker? They picked her, this crazy person who has been crazy for every moment we've been aware of her existence. And it just is, it really is bizarre that they keep going back to her because in a way it feels almost like unfair to pick a Joy Reid who's obviously a dunce to represent their point of view, but they literally picked her to represent their point of view. She's central to their cause and what she is, Megan, is their quiet voice. These are the things that they say to each other all the time that they don't necessarily want to admit, but increasingly so we see with the examples we've used in this hour with Taylor Lorenz and Hassan Piker and all these others they are admitting now, more and more are admitting, and it is real. Like that conspiracy theory has caught on on the left. I would not be surprised if you polled it right now with at least the online left that over 50% of people believe that was a false flag, fake operation when it came to this.
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Megyn Kelly
I love to see it through. Like how, how did they get this guy Alan Cole to, to do it and to ruin the rest of his life where he stays? He agrees he's going to go to prison forever to just be part of a stunt to make Trump look empathetic, like sympathetic to the rest of us. I don't, I don't get it. I really would like to see the conspiracy theory played out. Now if this guy is Russian and doesn't speak English, okay, now I'm paying attention. That's not what's happening, so I'd love to hear it all spelled out by somebody who buys into it. All right, stand by. We're going to take take a quick break and then we will come right back with stum. What does it feel like when your clothes actually feel good this spring? Cozy Earth makes a strong case that what you wear at home matters just as much as what you wear outside of the house. Maybe more. Let me tell you about the brushed bamboo jogger set. Made from viscose from bamboo, it's lightweight, breathable and unbelievably soft with enough structure to feel put together even at home. And then there are their lakehouse clogs. Designed for everyday home life, they feature a cushioned footbed, ultra soft interior and easy slip on design. They are supportive enough to stand in all day, yet cozy enough to forget you are even wearing them. And with easy returns and a lifetime warranty, it's comfort worth upgrading to this spring. Give yourself the kind of comfort that lives with you all day, not just the moment you get home. Head to cozyearth.com use my code Megan for an exclusive 20% off. That's code Megan for an exclusive 20 off. And if you see a post purchase survey mention that you heard about Cozy Earth right here on the mk show, paying 70, 80, 90 bucks a month to Big Wireless for unlimited data is insane. Especially when Pure Talk is going to give you unlimited high speed data for just 34.99amonth. Unlimited high speed data at Pure Talk used to start at 55 bucks a month. But because Pure Talk is constantly pushing to give you more for less, you can now get unlimited high speed data for just under $35. So if you have looked at Pure Talk before and did not make the move, check again. Okay, if you are wondering is Pure Talk's network really as good as the other overpriced big guys, try it for 30 days with no contract, no cancellation fees, you have nothing to lose. Their US Customer Service team is standing by to help you switch in as little as 10 minutes. Just dial £250 and say Megan Kelly to claim Claim unlimited high speed data for just 34.99. Again, dial £250 and say Megan Kelly to switch to America's wireless company PureTalk. Try it out. Hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I Now have my very own channel on Sirius xm. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel. And it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halprin, link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Drishinski, Jesse Kelly, who real clear politics and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly channel, SiriusXM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. We're back now with Stubergear and Jennifer Siebel Newsom, who is married to Gavin Newsom is back in the news. She's very upset. Stu, about the interview between President Trump and Norah O' Donnell on 60 Minutes on Sunday night. In particular the clip where Trump took issue with Nora reading to him the rantings of his would be assassin. This clip here, the so called manifesto, is a stunning thing to read, Mr. President. He appears to reference a motive. In it he writes that quote, administration officials, they are targets. And he also wrote this. I am no longer willing to permit a pedophile, rapist and traitor to coat my hands with his crimes. What's your reaction?
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Jennifer Siebel Newsom
Well, I was waiting for you to read that because I knew you would because you're, you're, you're horrible people. Horrible people. Yeah, he did write that. I'm not a rapist. I didn't rape anybody.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, you think he was referring to you?
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Jennifer Siebel Newsom
Excuse me, me, I'm not a pedophile. You read that crap from some sick person. I got associated with all stuff that has nothing to do with me. I was totally exonerated. Your friends on the other side of the plate are the ones that were involved with, let's say Epstein or other things. But I said to myself, you know, I'll do this interview and they'll probably. I read the manifesto. You know, he's a sick person. But you should be ashamed of yourself reading that. Because I'm not any of those things, Mr. President. I was never. Excuse me, excuse me. You shouldn't be reading that on 60 Minutes. You're a disgrace. But go ahead, let's finish the interview.
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Megyn Kelly
The other thing that he wrote in Disgraceful. Okay, so Jennifer Newsom weighs in. She doesn't like the way he spoke to Norah o' Donnell and says the following. This is on X. My family and I watched the 60 Minutes interview with Donald Trump and Nora O' Donnell last night and we were shocked seeing a president speak to a woman journalist with that level of contempt and a clear allergy to facts is disturbing, though at this point not unexpected, given his pattern of behavior. But that is the problem, because when that level of disrespect from the highest office in the country repeats itself, it starts to trickle down into our culture and define what power looks like, shaping how boys and plenty of men see women and girls and what they come to accept as normal behavior. Add in rhetoric rooted in political division, amplified by a digital ecosystem that rewards outrage and misinformation, and this cultural norm of hate, othering and misogyny becomes pervasive. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She says it normalizes dominance and aggression toward women and girls. That's what he was doing. Normalizing aggression and dominance toward women and girls, which not only silences them, but leads to internalized misogyny. Thank you to Nora and all the female journalists and frankly, to all of you who continue to be brave and speak truth to power. This culture of misogyny is on all of us. It has to end. So she wants women to have special privileges. When they interviewed the President of the United States, he's not allowed to call them a disgrace or to take issue with their questions. He has to just sit on that and not speak to it. He's only allowed to do that, in Jennifer Newsom's view, if he's being interviewed by a man, which, Jennifer, I have news to you. Makes you the sexist, not Donald Trump. The nerve of this lady.
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Stu Berghear
It's absolutely incredible. Again, it comes from a lady who doesn't even know what a woman is. I mean, she's. She's been advocating for people to change genders with a. With an. With a series of magic words, woods, and come into locker rooms of girls who actually do deserve the special privilege of having their own room to change in. That's not one that anyone in the Newsom family apparently agrees with. It's a fascinating take, I will say. You know, the pathetic nature of the interview. I mean, I'm with you, Megan. I heard you say this yesterday and that, like, you know, I have no problem with her bringing up. Up what was said in the manifesto. Honestly, it's. It's almost like a bit of a softball. Right? Like he should be. It's really easy for him to say he's not a pedophile and a rapist. It's a. It's. It's a. It's an easy way for him to kind of push back on that. What really rubbed me the wrong way was that fake. Oh, do you think could it be. Could it be that he's referred. He was referring to. That's so fake. And it's the exact reverse. First, it's honestly why your show has been really successful. I hope anyone who listens to my show feels the same way. Like, you're taking, you've taken what is been in the mainstream media for a very, very long time, this inauthentic blather, and we've successfully come up with a system to remove that and have people come out and actually say what they think. And because people are authentic in venues like this, they are growing by leaps and bounds while the network are, are shrinking constantly because there's no authenticity in that. Every single person who views that, whether you like Trump or you don't, you know that she of course knew he was the one being referred to inaccurately in that particular manifesto. That, by the way, he somehow is coming out to be the bad guy on when he was the one having the gun pointed at him. This is an amazing situation, truly.
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Megyn Kelly
Like, if you trust me, if you want to go after Trump on the woman thing, do your homework. There are some quotes out there. Yeah. That's not one of them. You're a disgrace. That's disgusting what you did. That's, that's, that's a day ending in why for Trump in the press, male or female, that. What, what did he say that she finds so misogynistic? Truly. Like, he didn't like her question. He didn't engage in a gendered attack. You know, like you're a, you're a or a hoe or a C word. Then I'd be paying attention to what she's saying. But no, it was you're a disgrace. And he didn't like the question. Got it. That her husband, who's been engaging in like these Twitter like attempts to sound like Trump, but in the process is actually being really offensive, has been tweeting out suggesting Benny Johnson and Jesse Waters are gay. And on Grindr. Does that diminish the culture? He called Dana Perino, Dana Ding Dong Perino. He called our present, our president clinically ill, a, a felon. He made reference to JD's couch, JD's futon. He called Caroline Levitt, secretary brain worm. He called Mike Johnson. Oh, Mike, always on his knees. Johnson. He said, Stephen Miller is a snake. He slithers. He said, Lara Trump's show is a total disaster. This is her husband. No personality, no talent, very low energy. She desperately needs coaching. So is that contributing to the, the misogyny that Jennifer Newsom has such trouble accepting Stu.
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Stu Berghear
Again, totally inauthentic. If there was. Yeah, it's the exact same thing that they were criticizing Donald Trump of. Oh, but, Melania, when we go back to the Jimmy Kimmel thing, Melania, why don't you talk to your husband? I don't know, Jennifer. Maybe yours. If you can catch him when he's not sleeping with his best friend's wife, maybe you could, of course, address that with him directly. It's a pathetic thing that goes on here. And again, it's funny to watch Newsom have to deal with his wife who's, you know, saying lots of things that are disagreeing with his public case for office right now. It's been an interesting thing to watch. But, like, what she's saying there has absolutely no value.
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Megyn Kelly
No. And unless she's going to apply it to her own hubby, too, we're not listening. Jennifer, goodbye and goodbye to you, my friend. Stubergear. It's wonderful spending the time with you. Thanks for coming on as always.
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Stu Berghear
Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, Megan.
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Taylor Lorenz
All right.
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Megyn Kelly
And happy to tell you that we are back tomorrow with VDH making his return to the MK Show. Cannot wait to talk to him. We'll do that tomorrow. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda, and no fear.